Misconceptions about Heaven: The Book of Revelation Series Part XXII w/ Ed Mabrie

Summary

Summary of "Misconceptions about Heaven: The Book of Revelation Series Part XXII"

Podcast Information

• Title: Nephilim Death Squad
• Host/Authors: TopLobsta Productions (TopLobsu and Raven - David Lee Corbo)
• Description: TopLobsta and Raven delve into the world of conspiracies through a Biblical lens, engaging with fascinating guests to explore a wide array of topics ranging from ancient myths to psychological phenomena.
• Episode: Misconceptions about Heaven: The Book of Revelation Series Part XXII w/ Ed Mabry
• Release Date: January 4, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode XXII of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts TopLobsu and Raven (David Lee Corbo) continue their deep dive into the Book of Revelation series, joined once again by guest Ed Mabry. This episode focuses on debunking common misconceptions about Heaven, offering listeners a nuanced understanding grounded in Biblical scripture and theological insight.

Main Topics Discussed

1. Christians' Eternity: Heaven vs. New Earth

One of the primary misconceptions addressed is the belief that Christians will spend eternity exclusively in Heaven, divorced from Earth. Ed Mabry challenges this by stating:

"Many people say, 'When you die, if you're a Christian, you go to heaven.' Well, that's true in the short term. Before the events of Revelation, you will be in heaven if you're a believer. However, that's not where we are intended to be. We are intended to be on earth in the New Jerusalem."
(02:16)

He underscores that the Bible's final chapters clearly indicate that God will dwell with humanity on a renewed Earth, not in a distant Heaven.

2. Heaven Will Not Be Boring

Contrary to the simplistic portrayal of Heaven as a realm devoid of purpose or excitement, Mabry argues that eternity will be filled with meaningful activities and continuous growth:

"If you think heaven or eternity is going to be boring, think again. We're going to be doing things, creating, growing, and fulfilling the purpose God has for us."
(14:28)

He likens eternal life to highly engaging activities, ensuring that believers remain active and purposeful rather than idle.

3. Eternity Is a Spiritual Dimension All Around Us

Dispelling the notion that Heaven is a distant place "up in the sky," Mabry explains that the spiritual realm is omnipresent and interwoven with our physical reality:

"The spiritual realm surrounds us. It is not someplace else. It's just a dimension that we cannot perceive."
(08:00)

Using analogies from pop culture, such as True Detective and silk screen techniques, he illustrates how dimensions beyond our perception interact seamlessly with our physical world.

4. Not All-Knowing and Mistake-Free in Heaven

A common belief is that in Heaven, individuals will possess complete knowledge and be free from errors. Mabry refutes this by emphasizing continuous learning and growth:

"We will not be all-knowing or mistake-free in Heaven. We will be learning and growing, just as we do on Earth."
(34:56)

He clarifies that while sin will be absent, the capacity to make mistakes remains, allowing for perpetual development and understanding.

5. Sex and Intimacy in Heaven

Addressing myths surrounding sexual relations in Heaven, Mabry distinguishes between physical and spiritual intimacy:

"While we may not engage in sex as we understand it physically, the intimacy we share will reflect the profound connections we experience on Earth, but on a much higher, spiritual level."
(47:55)

He explains that the sexual act symbolizes deeper spiritual bonds, continuing the essence of marital commitment without the physical component.

6. Continued Human Pleasure

Contrary to beliefs that pleasure will cease in Heaven, Mabry asserts that sensory experiences like eating, drinking, and laughing will continue:

"We're going to eat and drink in Heaven just as we do on Earth. These pleasures will be enhanced, free from any negative consequences."
(56:38)

He references Jesus' actions post-resurrection as evidence of ongoing enjoyment of physical pleasures.

7. Preservation of Individuality and Unique Consciousness

Mabry challenges the idea of a collective consciousness or hive mind in Heaven, advocating for the preservation of individuality:

"We are all going to live in our uniqueness. You are going to be fully yourself, maintaining the distinct identities that God created us with."
(58:00)

He emphasizes that Heaven celebrates individuality, allowing each person to contribute uniquely to the eternal community.

8. Existence of Animals and Pets in Heaven

The question of whether beloved pets will join us in Heaven is approached with hope and theological speculation, though no definitive answers are provided:

"The Bible isn't clear on whether our pets will be in Heaven, but given that animals existed in Eden, it's a possibility we're hopeful for."
(61:13)

Mabry expresses a desire for continuity with cherished companions, though acknowledges the unknowns surrounding their eternal state.

Key Insights and Conclusions

Ed Mabry emphasizes that many cultural narratives about Heaven are influenced by myths and pop culture rather than Biblical truths. By addressing these misconceptions, the episode encourages listeners to seek a scripturally grounded understanding of eternity. Key takeaways include:

• Heaven as a Place of Purpose: Eternity is envisioned as a realm of ongoing creation, growth, and meaningful interactions, not merely a static afterlife.

• Continuous Learning and Growth: Believers will remain dynamic beings, perpetually evolving and deepening their relationship with God.

• Preservation of Individuality: Unique identities and personal connections will be maintained, fostering a diverse and vibrant eternal community.

• Interconnected Spiritual and Physical Realms: Heaven and the New Jerusalem are not separate from Earth but are intricately connected, allowing for seamless interaction between spiritual and physical dimensions.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Ed Mabry (00:01):
  "We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people."

• Ed Mabry (02:16):
  "A lot of our pop culture is mixed in there. A lot of our current mythology is mixed in. So there's a lot of falseismics with the truth."

• Ed Mabry (34:56):
  "Another myth is that when we get to heaven, we will be all knowing and mistake free. That's not true."

• Ed Mabry (47:55):
  "We're not going to have sex with a wife in heaven, but understand that the sexual act, that intimacy is a reflection of what heaven is going to be like."

• Ed Mabry (58:00):
  "We are all going to live in our uniqueness. You are going to be fully yourself, maintaining the distinct identities that God created us with."

Conclusion

Episode XXII of Nephilim Death Squad with Ed Mabry offers a compelling exploration of how common misconceptions about Heaven contrast with Biblical teachings. By dismantling myths surrounding eternity, the hosts encourage listeners to envision an afterlife rich with purpose, growth, and individuality. This episode serves as a thought-provoking segment in the ongoing Book of Revelation series, fostering deeper theological understanding and personal reflection among its audience.

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Transcript

[David Lee Corbo]

Happening.

[Ed Mabry]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.

[Top Lobsu]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[Ed Mabry]

It's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying what happened.

[David Lee Corbo]

To the home of the brave.

[Ed Mabry]

These mother they control this now when no one's talking about how they made.

[David Lee Corbo]

Us hard to be slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds.

[Ed Mabry]

I want to wake up to a.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dead in the grave five minutes too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day.

[Ed Mabry]

Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government.

[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is top Lobsu, the father of disinformation. And today is Friday, ladies and gentlemen, and Fridays are for the Lord. And so we are back with the continuation of our book of Revelation series. Let me read these. Roman numeral 22. 22. Episode number 22. We are welcoming back Ed Mabry. Ed for the people. Can you let everybody know where they can find your work?

[Ed Mabry]

Yes, you can find me on faithbyreason.net www.faithbyreason.net also YouTube and, and X Twitter and got a couple other things in the works that'll probably, probably be rolling out in maybe February. Patreon. I'll give you guys some more information on that as we, as we go along. But I'm gonna have a couple of tiers for things like bonus content and that that'll be above and beyond the Genesis series I'm, I'm doing now. So some bonus stuff and some in Q and A's. You guys send in your questions and I get, I get a ton of questions from you guys. I really appreciate it and this will just be a way I can just be dedicated and just answer some questions every week. So as a, it's forming up and I think it'll be ready to go next month. But yeah, that's, that's what I'm planning what I'm doing right now.

[Top Lobsu]

Well, I already lost $5, so let me know when that's up. And maybe $10. I think the, the monthly Bible study thing. When do you do that?

[Ed Mabry]

That would be kicking off on probably the third Sunday in, in February, then the third Sunday after that, that's kind of arcades. We do it. We basically. We go through the entire Bible in a year, but we do it from the supernatural point of view. So. And I think I've talked about this on the show many times. If you are not hip to the supernatural aspect of it, you're missing 80 of it. If you think it's just about us on earth and, you know, the Israelites and. And the prophets and all that which. Which it is. But if you're not looking behind the scenes of what's going on Supernaturally, you're missing 80 of it. It's really. Are confused and just don't get what's happening or why God does things the way he does is because you're only looking at it from the terrestrial standpoint of, you know, what's going on with us. And we. We're a player in the game, but we are not. This isn't our story. This is God's story. And if you're not looking at it from that standpoint, you're missing out.

[Top Lobsu]

And you're doing this with John, right?

[Ed Mabry]

I'm used. I'm. John's involved in it. He. He helps with the Q A portion, but I kind of. I run it. It's basically an hour. So the first half hour is just, you know, me teaching, breaking everything down. Then the next half hour, we call the spoiler session. That's where. Here's. Let me back up. So what we do, we. We have people read the Bible as if it's the first time. Like, get rid of all your preconceived notions and just read it as if it's a novel, like you're reading for the first time. So we just go through it like that. And then the second half of it, we. We call it the spoiler section, where we, you know, we go back to knowing what we know and we have a Q A and we talk about, you know, what was going on in. In our. In the previous half hour.

[Top Lobsu]

That's. That's awesome.

[Ed Mabry]

Really loved it.

[Top Lobsu]

And it's cool because the people are. You're on a zoom call, right? So it's like they're on the screen as well. That's. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's like so many people here watch the show and they. They're participating in the chat. You'll see them all the time. They're like, they want. I want to talk to Ed. I want to talk to Ed. I was like, you can. Don't get to talk to Ed because this is my show. But. But you could talk to Ed.

[Ed Mabry]

You will be.

[Top Lobsu]

That's pretty cool. That's a cool feature. Maybe we should incorporate something like that where we're talking to the people if they actually want to talk to us. But I wanted to say, on that sort of subject, Ed, the teaching the Bible through the biblical through the supernatural lens is like. That's a step in from, like. We're like, all right. Looking at things through a biblical lens on NDs, and they're like, also then, you know, supernatural underneath it. But my dad, who's. He's like a lifelong Christian, and he reads the Bible literally every day, every night, or as much as he can. He's. He'll read the Bible if it's just a chapter, a couple verses. And he always told me. He was like, there's one scripture that always bothered me, and I never paid attention because I was in, like, whatever. The Bible, whatever. So I asked him. I was like, what scripture bothers you the most? And it goes like this. And it repented the Lord that he made man on earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And he says, I don't. Because he's like, repent means that he. That he messed up or that he regrets. So that implies God messed up. So I was like, well, what's the scripture? And it turns out it's Genesis 6. Verse 6 comes right after our favorite verses. And then the giants were on earth in those days. So I was like, oh, well, let me tell you something. I do a podcast about this. I was like, it makes no sense if you're looking at it from this lens, where it's like, well, why would God regret. But I'm like, look, two. Two verses before it. And there were giants on the earth. And then the verse before that. Oh, sorry. The verse after that, I think, where does it say, yeah, where they start to take the daughters of men. That's verse two. Two verses before that. So I was like, if you look at that and in. In progression, it makes a lot more sense. And I broke down all this stuff to him. I was like, I know it sounds crazy, and you don't look at the Bible this way, but that is the biggest. He's been reading the Bible for his whole life. That's his biggest problem with it. Doesn't understand it. And I was like, what did he say?

[David Lee Corbo]

Explain that to him.

[Top Lobsu]

He looked at me, and then he's just like, huh? And I was like, all right, that's it. I just left it there. I walked Away.

[Ed Mabry]

I guess next time you talk to Mikey, I have something more for you because. And here's what I, I, what John and I do whenever, whenever we are giving answers like this is. It's all about definitions. You have to have the right definition of the word. The word repent does not mean regret. Repent means turn away from it means you're not going to do it anymore. If you repent of your sin. Let's say you're into, you know, whatever your pornography. You say if I repent of it means, well, confessing it, you know, confess. Repent. Confess means I was wrong. Repent means I'm not going to do it anymore. So if you confess, you know, I was wrong to watch this, repent means I'm turning away. I'm never going to do it again. So what God actually said was, if repented me, I'm never going to make man again. That's what he's saying. He's not saying that he regretted making him. He says, I'm not doing this again. So because. And that's what. And that dovetails to the reason for the flood. He, he was, that's why he had to preserve Noah, because what he, he could have said, I'm going to wipe man out and make man again. I'm not going to do this again. I'm just going to preserve the last one and wipe out everyone else, all these, all the people who are affected with this, you know, nephilim genes. And I'm gonna have Noah do it and have his family be the, you know, the progenitors of the Earth. So he didn't say he regretted making. But no, that was part of his plan. We're going to talk about that today. That's always been part of his plan. He says he's just not going to remake him.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so before we started the show.

[Top Lobsu]

Let me just say I think it's great because we start the show is the Book of Revelation, but we're like, I'm like, no, Genesis 6.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobsu]

And Ed's like, it's the same thing. We're talking about it today.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. So before we started the show, one of the things, we don't have a tremendous amount of time today, so why don't we tell the audience, Ed, where we plan on going and then let's get into.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, we go on endless rabbit trails. So, yes, we are. Basically, we're at the end. We are at the good stuff. So we've gone. We started with the, with the beginning of the Book of Revelation, where you know, Jehovah, God through Jesus is showing John the future, what's going to happen, how he's going to equal everything out, how he's going to, you know, just bring about his plan. And part of that plan was, you know, the rough stuff. The, you know, he has to. Evil exists, evil has to be judged. Spiritual evil has to be judged. God has to get his way. He has to get what he wants. Because the purpose of this whole. The purpose of the Bible, again, it's Jehovah's story. It's God's story. And in any story, you have the protagonist, you know, the. You know, the happy ending. But in order to get to the happy ending, you have to go through all the conflict and resolve all the conflicts. So we've been spending most like 90 of what we've been talking about with resolution of conflicts. So we've had all the spiritual evil judge. We had man making his final decision, who you're going to be with, you know, God or. Or with the evil ones. And everything was punished. All the. The plagues happened, the judgment, justice was equal out. Then in the last couple episodes, we talked about, you know, the final judgment, the Great White Throne and hell. And now all that's done, and now it's time, finally time for God to get what he wants. And so we're going to spend probably this episode just talking about what that future attorney is going to be and what it's not. I'm going to go through some of the mythology about it, some of the things that people believe about it that aren't true. And if we have time, we'll get into maybe a couple of verses about the new Jerusalem. And we have to. The bulk of that will probably be next week because unfortunately, I'm kind of short on time. But yeah, that's what we're gonna. That's what we're gonna deal with today.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, great, great.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm getting over, like, a serious bout of the flu. So if I start coughing. Are you really? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

FogVid 2024. I don't know. There's a bunch of conspiracies going around about this. This fog that's been settling, you know, in various places across inexplicably getting sick around the same time. But I mean, it could just be that season. Right. So who knows what?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it could be that, too. Egg. Well, we. I'm in Northern California. You have tons of fog here. I just came back up from Southern California where I was, you know, and by the way, I think I mentioned on the show that I had, you know, relative pass away and some, yeah, commentators have. Have been very kind and given their condolences. So thank you guys for that. But yeah, so basically the point is like, yeah, there was a fog in Southern California. I think that's where I caught it. And then I came back up like about a week ago and I was wrecked until maybe don't breathe the fog.

[David Lee Corbo]

Who knows?

[Top Lobsu]

You got the fog, man. Stay away from me, Ed, with that.

[Ed Mabry]

Fog other side of the country. So I don't think I'm contagious to you guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

We'll see. All right, so. So where do we want to jump in then, Ed?

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, just going to talk about a few on. On faith by reason.net when I have an episode that says, you know, the ten myths about heaven. So I'm gonna just. I'm not gonna go into all 10 of them because I think your audience is. Your retards are sophisticated enough to know some of them are just. I'm not going to go through it. I'm going to go through some of them and see where we get to sophisticated retards. The idea of heaven or eternity is like everyone like knows the concept, but you know, we, but a lot of of our pop culture is mixed in there. A lot of our current mythology is mixed in. Is. Is mixed into it. So there's a lot of falseismics with the truth. So let's. I'm going to start with the, the one of the big ones and that is that people who, believers, Christians, will spend eternity in heaven and we won't. We're going to spend eternity on earth in the New Jerusalem. That's like the biggest thing everyone says, oh, when you die and you're good or if you're a Christian, you go to heaven. Well, that's true in the short term. You know, before you know these, the, these events of the, of the Book of Revelation, you will be in. In heaven if you're a believer. However, that's not where we are intended to be. We are intended to be on earth in the new Jerusalem. The Bible is very clear in the last two chapters which we'll be going over is the God will be dwelling with us. We're not going to up to heaven to dwell with God. God is coming to earth to dwell with us. And we're going to get into that probably a little bit more next week of what. What, what that means. But big picture to keep in mind is that if you look at the Bible like, again, like any other book, like we'll be doing in, in the, in the, in the series, you look at what the protagonist wants and what they want or the life they want is really the life they have. In the beginning of the book, like, I, I use the Lord of the Rings example all the time. You know, what was Frodo the Hobbit like at the beginning? You know, he was living his, like, idyllic life in the Shire. Then conflict came. He had to resolve the conflict. And then what happens at the end? He goes back to the Shire with his conquest. Same thing within the Bible. God sets up Eden. That's what he wanted for us. He wanted for us to live in a paradise where we were able to, you know, be our true. And to rule and reign that area. And creation would obey us and we would hang out with him. That's really all it is when you get down to it. That's what God wants. God wants us to be with him, to dwell with him, to hang out with him and grow. We'll talk about that in more detail in the next week and next couple weeks, actually. But that's what he wants and that's what he's going to get again. He's going to get that. But it'll be us in our new resurrected bodies, which are not going to be subject to, you know, the, the sin that our current bodies are, are. So basically, again, every. When I do my conclusion probably in three weeks. The big thing with revelation is everyone gets what they want, everyone gets what they're asking for, basically. Good guys and the bad guys, and everyone deals with the consequences of it. But at the end here, God gets what he wants and that's for us to dwell with him in the new Jerusalem. So, so that's, that's. The first myth is that we'll be in heaven. So the, the next myth is that heaven or eternity is going to be boring. I mean, if you think about what are the. We, we don't have a lot of detail, or at least we don't get a lot of details. When we go to church and we, you know, see movies or books or whatever that talk about heaven, everything's very vague. It's like, oh, there's this bright light and, you know, everyone's going to be happy and you're going to be singing and worshiping and, you know, we're going to be resting and meeting all of our relatives and all that and all that sounds great, but keep in mind, this is eternity. How would that feel like for eternity? I mean, are we gonna. What Are we gonna do in heaven? We're gonna. Or New Jerusalem. We're gonna praise God. Yeah. And he deserves our praise, but forever. I mean, you know, I like a good church service as much as the next person, but I don't want to do that for eternity.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was something that. I wasn't raised in the church at all, but I, I was certainly aware of that reductive point of view of like, what are we going to do? Well, we're going to be super pumped in heaven forever and there's not going to be any strife and there's not going to be any goals to achieve and there's not going to. And I find that you would have to strip us of some things that are innate to us. Right. We're like, as a species, we're goal driven. We, we seem to be psychologically at best, when we're accomplishing things, when we're building things, when we're contributing to the greater picture, when we're helping other people. You would have to remove that mechanism in us. If nobody is in need of assistance or help or there is nothing to be created because everything that we need is there. That was always, even as a child, I was just like, that doesn't seem, you know, you'd have to make a lot of sense.

[Top Lobsu]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

We'd have to be lobotomized, basically.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

I think that's one of the things that, that Christians, I think we don't like to think about it because we think it's like heresy to think. Well, that doesn't. We don't even let our minds go there because I was the same way as you. I mean, I was raised in the church and when I would, would ask the pastor, you die, we go to heaven. What's going to be like, well, you're going to praise God, that's great. And you're going to see your, your, you know, dead relatives and all this kind of stuff. Like that's great too. But I don't want to do that forever. But I didn't want to verbalize that because it sounded like I was being ungrateful.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

It's not true. So. And you know, and yes. Are we going to see our relatives again? Yeah. And I can't wait to see some of them. Like my aunt who just passed away. I want to see her again, you know, being in, you know, vital and in her perfect body. My grandparents who helped raise me and you know, I want to, I want to meet people through history. I want to meet the Apostle Paul. I Think he's an interesting guy. I want to meet. I want to meet Noah. And said, dude, what was it like, you know, in your day? I mean, we read about it, but, man, what was. What was it like seeing these things, you know, roaming around these giants? I wanna, you know, there's a lot of people I want to meet throughout history, and that could take, you know, years to meet everyone. Many years, maybe hundreds. But again, eternity, what are we going to be? So it's not going to be boring. That's a myth.

[Top Lobsu]

They probably have podcasts. You could just listen to it. But I was going to ask one thing too, before we move on from that, like, because the idea of eternity, I was talking with my parents about that, and I looked up the word and the translation, and it said to pertain to eons, when it's talking, when it's spoken about, at least in the Greek. And an eon just means like an indeterminable amount of time. So I was like, okay, indeterminable amount, but there's an amount. So what does eternity. Does it mean, literally mean that's it. Or is this like a. Just like that. We're talking about a large amount of time that is indeterminable. We can't name it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, more. More around what you said at the last part. The latter. Because here's the thing. Like, it's tough for us to. To conceptualize eternity because we are in linear time. That's how we experience it. I mean, you know, we have A, happens in B. Then C, we have past, present, and we basically only live in the present. The past has already happened. You know, the future hasn't happened yet. So we. We're. We can only. We only live in the present, and we can't. We can look back, but we can't see forward. And we. It's hard for us to visualize something outside of physical linear time. But if you consider the fact that, you know, according to physics, you know, you know, time is a. Is a physical thing. Physical time happens, and time affects and is affected by mass, acceleration, and gravity, meaning that you have to have mass in order to experience time. Meaning that physical time, meaning that God does not experience time the way we do, doesn't mean he doesn't experience a sequence of events, but he. It's. He doesn't experience it. He's not locked into it the same way we are. So how do we. That's why when we talked about Chapter 12 of Revelation, which I think is. Is one of my favorite chapters, because it Gives us some insight into how God experienced his time. And because Revelation chapter 12 is a story, he's experiencing everything happening at the same time. That's how he experiences it. It's like, you know, I think I gave the analogy of, you know, thinking of your. Think of your favorite movie. You can see it as a sequence of events, but it's all. It's all there.

[David Lee Corbo]

There are those who describe time as like a flat disc. I forget where that was popularized.

[Ed Mabry]

True Detective.

[David Lee Corbo]

True Detective. Yeah. Such a great series that.

[Top Lobsu]

First of all, the first one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Did you watch the first season? It was tremendous, right?

[Top Lobsu]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I love Man Rusty or his name was a fantastic character, Matthew McConaughey's character. But I've heard it the analogy of a. A record used before where it's like you can drop the needle anywhere on the record and gain access to that time, that. That space within the music, but it's all there, all happening at the same time. It just depends on what you're focusing on and.

[Top Lobsu]

Seems like a. Like a silk screen. Have you guys ever silk screen before?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah. Where you. You take the thing and you drag it and it.

[Top Lobsu]

Yeah, there's like three different types of gray on this shirt. And you just put one over and if you put it all over and then you take a look back, you can kind of see the negative of what the whole thing is. Maybe that's how got. Instead of viewing it this way, he's just viewing it right on top. And you could see the transparency and you put a little bit of color, the entire image comes out because the right parts are blocked and the correct parts are showing. That's. That's what it feels like. Right.

[Ed Mabry]

So. So what I think. Yeah, so I. I think so part of the aspect. I think when. When we are in eternity will. We will be spiritual spirits, but we're also have bodies, so we will. There will be mass there. So I think maybe be able to shift back and forth to seeing everything at once or. Or being linear. And I think God would want be doing the same thing. I think it's one of the reasons why he wants to be there with us so that he can experience our. Our lives linearly. I think that's one of the reasons why he has us here on Earth now because that's something that he was. He's not locked into linear time, so he doesn't experience it directly. He can experience that through us. So we. We give him a new experience that he's not actually capable of because he's not Physical.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting. Yeah, I kind of. That resonates with me. And, and it, and it really puts you in. Even though it's a restriction, or at least it's perceived as a restriction somehow. It's, it's actually, it's amazing that that's what we are able to do.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, right, yes.

[Top Lobsu]

What's that?

[David Lee Corbo]

She's determined to be the star of the show.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, but so I know your listeners might be thinking, you know, this. I can't wrap my mind around that. Neither can I completely. I mean, we're really speaking conceptually.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. You know, it was, I don't know if it was you, Ed. We were talking to somebody and they were, they were saying the perspective of like a two dimensional world, a three dimensional world. And then whatever's beyond that, that we can't necessarily perceive what it would look like for an entity that is outside of those dimensions to enter our dimension. And it's like, it's almost very much like, like if you were to look at a two dimensional image, like a flat piece of paper and it's Super Mario and you put your finger on that paper, Super Mario might not perceive your finger approaching. It would just perceive your finger appearing. And in the way that people see.

[Ed Mabry]

A circle, he would see a tiny circle that became Big circle. Yeah, because that's all you would see is your finger passing through. Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is interesting because when you talk about these like Elohim, right, These, these higher spiritual beings, when they arrive, they seem to almost like pop into existence. And it's like you don't see the, the transition necessarily because they're coming from a different dimension. You only see the, the results of when they arrive here. And it's like jarring. It's like, holy, they're here all of a sudden. But they did traverse some, you know, they did come from a place.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I think we talked about a few because again, I'm, I'm quite a bit older than you, than you guys. But you know, when I was a kid, you know, when video games were first coming out, they were, you know, just pixels. That's really all we had. You know, Pac man and Space Invaders and, and if you, if you guys go, and if your listeners like, or go to some of those old school sites or just, you know, go to YouTube and just look at, like look at Space Invaders or look at Pacman and look at those games and then compare them. Those are just basically 2D games. Compare them to, you know, whatever the, you know, popular games are today. My kids are Just playing one of the Mario games to got them for, For Christmas or Call of Duty and, and see the difference between those. Yeah, that's where I mean, so imagine all the, the levels of dimensionality that are high. That's, that's only going from two dimensions to three dimensions. So going from two dimensions to three dimensions is like going from Pac man to Call of Duty. It's, it's postulated in physics that these Elohim probably occupy at least 10 dimensions.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting because when it comes to the idea that like, you can't look at God because, you know, horrifying things will happen to you, you could imagine that if an extra dimensional entity popped up in front of you, it would do some real, real damage to your perception. Right. Especially if you look at some of these alien instances. There's like radiation effects and things. So there is damage on like a molecular level.

[Top Lobsu]

Quick side note, Ed, would you be. Are you qualified. This is stupid question to, to cover the Ark of the Covenant and possibly Solomon?

[Ed Mabry]

I. Yeah, I guess, I guess it depends. Like what, what do you want to talk about? But yeah, I mean, I, I know a lot about both.

[Top Lobsu]

Yeah, that's because I don't know much about either.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, we, we intended to do an episode on it, but we just.

[Ed Mabry]

Never quite got around episode actually. And maybe John can join me because he's really good with that too. But I mean, basically the Ark of the Covenant is a replica. The physical arc of the Covenant that, that was constructed, that God gave Moses the instructions to, is a replica of the actual Ark in Heaven.

[Top Lobsu]

Yeah, I, I bring it up because David was talking about radiological weapons or UFOs and that thing seems to, I don't know, some guy just touched it. He's like, you're not a Levite. And he just like blows up. I'm like, that sounds like a weapon, dude. Sounds like a weapon. You use it to knock down, you know, the, the gates of the city just walked around with this thing. It's a weapon.

[Ed Mabry]

It was, it was the throne of God. It's the, the Ark of the Covenant is, is the thrones is. It's called the mercy seat, you know, with the two angels with their wings. That's where God said. So you're. They were literally carrying the throne of God with them or a replica of it.

[David Lee Corbo]

But that's so, so going back to what I was saying, it's interesting because if an extra dimensional being shows up, it does have a bunch of even psychological effects on you. Right. But there's obviously like cases of radiation and such. Well, what if the higher in dimensions you go, the, the greater the ramifications of that entity popping up in your three dimensional realm. And if the highest is God, then maybe, maybe there is like a logistical reason. Like, yeah, literally organic beings in this third dimension can't be exposed to me because it'll, it'll tear apart their anatomy. You know, something crazy like that we.

[Ed Mabry]

Talked about with the idea that, you know, the heaven is hotter than hell. God is pure light and you can, and we will be able to withstand it. Not just withstand it, but enjoy it in, in our resurrection bodies. But currently, no. That's why Moses, you know, Moses said he wanted to see God. God said, you cannot see me and live, but you can. I'll, you know, show you the backside, backside of me. I'll hide you in a cliff and, and you can see the end of me. And, but he saw, he saw a furnace, he saw fire.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Ed Mabry]

So yes, and that was like the, the, the only part of God he could withstand seeing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting, man, that's interesting. Okay.

[Ed Mabry]

All right, so, yeah, so to wrap it up, we're. We're going to talk a lot about what we're going to be doing in heaven, but we will be. Like you said before, Raven, we. It would be boring if we aren't doing something, if we aren't creating. But, but again, keep this in mind. I want people to keep this all in their overall big picture sense of what eternity is going to be like. Eden. What were we supposed to be doing in Eden? And we are not. And if you look at it, we're not just hanging around singing songs and, and high fiving each other and sleeping and resting. Hey, I want to rest. I want to spend like a couple of years just asleep, just like catching up on, on like just resting from all this crap we have to go through. But after that, we, we are, we are meant to do things. God did not make us just to hang out, you know, eating Cheetos and having a beer, which you know is fine for a little while, but there he wants things from us. And I have. Maybe I'll present it either next week or the week after. I've got my wild crazy Ed Mabry theory that's not directly in the Bible. It's just me, my extrapolation of what I think we're going to be doing in heaven and it maybe even sound a little sacrilegious. So I'm just going to give you that warning in advance.

[David Lee Corbo]

So just so it's going to be good.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm not saying it's true. I'm just saying it's. I'm just taking everything to its logical conclusion. I think what we're going to be doing in heaven is going to be insane. So I can't wait to get to that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think the last time you told us that, you. You made the argument for there being supportive information for all three raptures. And that was one of my favorite theories. So I'm very much looking forward to whatever the Ed Mabry take on this.

[Top Lobsu]

My mom watches all these. I can't wait for her to tell me. He's like, what? What did he say?

[Ed Mabry]

Please go. Yeah, it's got to be wild. So another myth is that. And I think this is. This is an easy one. We'll get through some quickly. The idea that eternity or heaven or whatever is just somewhere out there far away or way up in the sky. I think we know that's not true. The spiritual realm is all around us right now. We are. The spiritual realm surrounds us. It is not someplace else. It's just a dimension. It's basically a dimension that we cannot perceive. It's. It's happening around us. The. The wars in the heavens are happening all around us. We just can't perceive them because, again, it's not because they're. The spiritual realm is so ethereal, is that we are so ethereal that we can't see it. But so it's. It's all around us. And so basically, when we're in the New Jerusalem, I think we'll be able to transverse between the physical New Jerusalem and the physical New Earth, and as well as the spiritual realm whenever we want, because it will just be able to go back and forth between them, you know, so we can, you know, and so will the Elohim, the good Elohim, So we'll be able to transverse both worlds. And that's what Eden was. Eden was the nexus point between heaven and Earth. And what did God tell Adam and Eve to do? He said to make the whole Earth like Eden, like the garden. So that was their goal, that was their job, to make the whole Earth a. This. This nexus between both realms so that God and the angels, the Elohim, could go back and forth so that we'd be. These two realms would intersect. And we are the physical intersection of it because we are physical and spiritual. So we basically human beings, we embody what Eden is supposed to be, a nexus of spiritual and physical. And.

[Top Lobsu]

Are you saying.

[Ed Mabry]

Go ahead.

[Top Lobsu]

Are you saying that their job was Because. So if Eden is just the Nexus, like, I'm.

[David Lee Corbo]

When.

[Top Lobsu]

When he says, go make the Earth like Eden, I'm thinking, like, grow some trees. Put some plants, like, seeds down. Or are you talking about, like, make stargates, like ley lines, shit like that? Like, what was Adam doing?

[Ed Mabry]

Both, in a sense, yes. It was supposed to be like a garden. He was supposed to make the whole area paradise. More trees of life everywhere. Because, remember, the whole Earth was not like when God recreated the Earth. Because I think there was a rebellion at first. And I'll get to this. In the Genesis series, there's a rebellion. The Earth was. Was actually destroyed, and then it was remade. So what we consider the creation story is actually a recreation. Replenish the Earth.

[Top Lobsu]

Meaning you can't have anything original, Ed. It's always a reboot.

[David Lee Corbo]

Everything's a reboot. That makes sense then. Actually, when you think about how our culture just does that.

[Top Lobsu]

Earth part two, like, so what happens?

[Ed Mabry]

God planted the original Garden of Eden. He said, here is. Here is your prototype. Here's a garden here. I'm giving you guys the authority to make. To do this in the whole. To the whole world, and you will rule over it. But when you talk about Stargates, remember what I. What he told him? He said, be fruitful and multiply. Go have kids. Why? Because we, as I just said, are that nexus between Earth and heaven. We are part physical and part spiritual. So our existence means that the whole Earth would be like Eden. Because the more people there are, the more of. Of these net we are. We're basically that nexus.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting, because if you. If you take that on its face, this idea of, like, you know, you're going around and you're setting up, like. I love what Top was saying, right? It's like, plant more of these things, you know, create ley lines, all this different stuff. There are. There's evidence around the world that we take as. As rock structures. But a lot of people in the conspiracy community suggest that they're actually severed trees, the. The trunks of great trees, like, massive trees that you can find around the world.

[Top Lobsu]

That's fun. That's a lot of fun.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. So it's like, you know, I can't help it because I'm retarded. I'm like, what if he did, dude, what if he did plant those trees and then they were cut down and now we're looking at them as mountains? I don't know. It's just something my mind jumped to.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, to get to. It's funny you mentioned that, because that's. I think when I first started really getting into the. I'm not getting into flat earth. But the first time I actually started hearing people who take the idea of a flat earth seriously was. And I'm not. I'm not bashing flat earthers. I'm. I'm ambivalent. I don't know. But I. I hadn't really thought about it until, I think it was, like, maybe 2015, 2016, back when YouTube actually had. Was not as censored as it is now. I. I was just, you know, doing some research, and I saw this video that said, there are no trees on flat Earth. I'm like, what. What do you mean there are no trees and the Earth is flat? So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna listen to this. And they had that same idea that. That you just put forth, Raven, that, you know, that what we think of as mountain plateaus or whatever are actually tree trunks.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

And that, you know, the Earth is flat.

[David Lee Corbo]

They do a lot of that, too. With petrified giants. There are some stone formations that I. I will yield looked at through the right angle, oftentimes look like some sort of, like a gigantic serpent or. Or I've even seen ones that look like dragons. Very strange. It was like a guy going through the woods, and. And he noticed that there was a rock formation that resembled like a wing in his estimation. So he started unearthing the rest of this rock formation, and the more he dug out, the more it looked like a giant dragon. And I'm not saying that definitively what's going on, but there's a lot of that petrified giant talk.

[Top Lobsu]

Look at. Look at Moana. Like, that's. It's an occulted movie for sure, when you pay attention to the details, especially part two. But the first part. Was it Teiti or. Yeah, Tafiti. That she's, like, laying. And she's a mountain, and it's like a giant woman.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobsu]

It's like a person. I'm like.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then, by the way, there are a lot of those images where you can find, like, certain mountain formations look like giant. And I don't know that. I'm not saying that that's true. I don't know why that is. Is it. What's the. The word? Pareidolia. Like, our tendency to see faces where there are none because we're. We're genetically made up to look for. I knew Tap would make a Moana reference. Yeah. He keeps Calling me to talk to me about it. I'm like, I don't want to talk to you about Moana anymore. Watch it, please. Can we just watch it together? But yeah. So I don't know if it's just our own predisposition to look for faces and where there are none or if there really is something to it, but sometimes, man, I see something where I'm like, that's very strange, very uncanny. And I don't know where to place it. It's uncomfortable. So I just. I place it to the side. I leave it alone.

[Ed Mabry]

You know, the. The older I get, the more I learn, the more I realize I. I don't know anything. The more. The more I learn to realize, the more I realize, the less I know. So I don't rule anything out. I mean, do I see these. These mountain ranges that look like a giant laying down? Possibly. Does it mean. I mean, maybe, maybe not, but I'm not. I'm not ruling it out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, let me tell you this. I have. I've stopped eating pink Himalayan salt because I was. I was at least peripherally made aware of the idea that it's petrified giants. And I said, you know what, dude? Not gonna eat the petrified giants.

[Ed Mabry]

Then, yeah, it's probably not the best idea.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'll stick with the. With the coarse.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I guess I'll go back to. I. I used to eat the pink salt too. I just hadn't, because it was weird.

[David Lee Corbo]

It became like a big deal.

[Top Lobsu]

Like, they're like, live in the podcast.

[David Lee Corbo]

Eat the pink soul, pod, ink the pizza. I'm like, I don't want to do that. I just. I did it for a little bit. You know what it really was, admittedly mine, came in a big plastic sack. I was worried about microplastics in my balls, so I was like, can't eat these anymore. So I moved on to. To kosher coarse salt instead.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I just. I. I stopped because the. The whole foods near me just stopped carrying it. So. And I just wanted to make the regular, like, you know, sea salt.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right. Seems safer. Much less likely that it was a. The innards of a giant. So. Okay, let's. Let's continue.

[Ed Mabry]

How do we get the software? This is awesome. I love you guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

Derail you.

[Ed Mabry]

Another myth is. Oh, and this is a good one. Is that when we get to heaven, like, we will be, like, all knowing and mistake free. This is something that, you know, I believe as well. Like, it's like, when you get to heaven next, suddenly you're going to get like this download of all the information that's ever existed and you're, and you're just going to be perfect. That's not true. Not only will we not get and why would it be? God never promised us anywhere that we're just going to suddenly know everything.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

And as far as being mistake free, we are going heaven. We're going to talk about this in eternity. We're going to learn and grow. Well that's, you know, that's made clear again. It's just like Eden. What did Adam and Eve like and eat? They didn't know anything. They learned and grew and. But they could learn and grow sinlessly. Why? Because there's a difference between making a mistake and sinning. Because we will make mistakes. I'll give you an example that I give on non faith by reason. Let's say, I say hey you know Top, I want you to meet me here at 11 o'clock. Cool. Let's say I meant 11am and you show up at 11pm well that's a mistake. Was it a sin? No, you were just wrong. One of us was wrong. I wasn't specific enough for you. I should have said am or PM and you show up at the wrong time. So you can make mistakes without sinning, you can learn without sinning, you can grow without sinning. So understand that sin, the definition of sin in the Bible is that which is done outside of faith. That means you're intentionally doing something that you know is wrong. We will not be intentionally doing anything that we know is wrong in heaven. But that doesn't mean we won't unintentionally do things that are wrong. And God can forgive that because what it says, you will see this throughout the Bible and especially in the Psalms. It says his mercy endures forever. What is mercy? This is where definitions come into play. Mercy does not mean you don't punish sin. Mercy is the time between when something bad happens and justice is equaled out. Okay, but you can equal out justice yourself and God's. So God's mercy can endure forever. I'll give you an example. Let's again, you know I, I owe you 10 bucks. Okay, you can you leave me 10 bucks, I'll you 10 bucks. You can justly demand that $10 from me immediately. But immersive, you can say I'll give you time to pay me back. So if you give me an infinite amount of time to pay you back. You're not saying that you that it's that you're not saying that it's, you're, you're not being unjust, you're just giving me as much time as I need. So when it says God's mercy endures forever in eternity, saying you're going to have as much time as you need to grow and learn from any mistakes.

[David Lee Corbo]

That you make, that's great because I'm gonna need a lot of time.

[Ed Mabry]

God does not have to judge it because it's not a sin, it's just a mistake. So, and he gives you eternal mercy because otherwise if, if, if there is still sin, then eternal mercy would be unjust because eventually you would have to equal out the justice for the sin. But if there's no sin that his mercy, his patience can endure forever. So all that to say is that we will be learning and growing. We will have eternity to, to keep becoming perfected. We will be on an eternal track to be like Jehovah. We will never quite be there, we'll never reach him, but we reach that state of, of being exactly like Him. We will, we will eternally be on that track. So again, so we're going to learn and grow and we're going to learn from each other. We're going to talk about that a lot next week. And so, yeah, so we're not going to be perfect, we're not going to be mistake free. We are not going to know everything. We're going to learn and grow. And I think that's exciting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that is because it seems to me to be the most exciting part about the human experience. Right. It's like learning something new. Discovery is so rewarding like epiphanies are. It's such a strange sensation to even have an epiphanous moment. Right. Where some, something gets incorporated into your world view that brings together so many other seemingly separated ideas. Right. It becomes the connective tissue. And that feeling is, there's like a built in reward system for that. When that happens, it's, it's unbelievable. So I just, I can't imagine that God would make us the way that he has to then at the end of this process, strip us of everything. There are some things that we do need removed.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

But there are other things that I just don't think he made us so unique from one another in our perspective, in our ideas. You have this, this situation that happens where you have children and, and they're both raised in the same household with the same parents, under the same circumstances, but they're so drastically different from one another. You would imagine that they were made that way, then why would God go and, and make us so special and so unique just to remove that from us? Right, and I've talked about that before too. It's like that's one of the things that the Gnostics and the new age people, for all of the digging that they're doing, for all of the, you know, for as inquisitive as their minds are to be looking for these answers, they often come to this place in the end where it's like we return to source. Source consciousness. We're stripped of the ego and ourselves. Yeah, yeah. And then we go to this place and it's. And, and I go. That doesn't even sound remotely appealing. What then was the purpose of, of making us individuals? You know, where we've seen God create ants, they have no individuality. They're a, A hive mind entity. Yeah, we're not a hive mind entity. Although, you know, you can get into this idea of like the collective consciousness or whatever, but I, I just don't see that in us. And it's so, it's what makes us beautiful in so many ways. I, I can't imagine that being stripped from us maybe change.

[Ed Mabry]

One of many reasons to reject the idea, you know, of Buddhism because. Yeah, because that's, that's it. That, that nirvana where we just become one conscious. Why would you want that? Sounds horrible. I'd rather stay here on earth than, I mean I'd rather be here and, and be around uniqueness and be around unique people than to fade into, just, just become like a cog in a wheel somewhere and where, where I have no individuality. No. Thank you. And by the way, I just want to step back for those who are listening who may have some issues with what I was just saying about, you know, us growing and mistaking and learning. There are a couple of areas really quick that, that kind of show that number one, when we will, we'll probably next week read election chapter 21. But it says specifically in a new Jerusalem that there are trees there and the leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations. Well, why would the nations need healing? Why would healing be necessary unless something was damaged? When you grow, it can be painful. Right? And we're going to grow in heaven and that's why these leaves are there to heal us from them. So there's going to be growth there. The Bible clearly says that healing will be necessary. It says that God will wipe away all the tears from our eyes. Why we have tears? I think it's a couple reasons Which I'll talk about next. But again, pain of growth and we're not always going to agree with each other in, in eternity. An example, if you want to go back to the Book of. I think it's in a. First Kings. I don't have it in front of me right now. I remember. But, but there was, there was a situation where Ahab the, the evil king of north of the northern tribe of Israel, Israel was. It was time for him to die. And Jehovah said, okay, this guy's evil. It's time to take him out. What are we going to do? And he, he. He has a council meeting with, with his angelic council, with his Elohim council. And he. Because God likes sharing his authority. And he says, oh guys, it's time to take him out. How do you want to do it? And a prophet was talking about this and he said, he, a prophet had this vision. And the prophet said, I heard one angel saying one thing and another saying another thing. So basically they're having a discussion. They were basically disagreeing. I, I think we should do it this way or no, I think we should do it that way. And then one came forth with an idea and God's okay, that's a good idea. Let's do that one. The point is that all these different anger had different, had different ideas and only one of them was the one that God approved of. Meaning that some of them didn't have the best idea, but they were still holy angels in heaven.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a similar thing to. I love. I know it's extra canonical, but in the Book of Enoch that happens, you know, pretty early where it's like the archangels are watching the havoc that the fallen are wreaking on earth and asking God when he planned on intervening and he like listened to them and, and their objections and you know, was convinced enough that he decided to send Enoch, which is even also interesting because Enoch is a human, right? And, and he sends him as a messenger to the fallen. And then it's crazy because the fallen obviously know the nature of God. And so they ask Enoch to petition God on behalf of them, insinuating that they. There's pliability there. They know God, they've fallen from his grace, but they know him enough to know that like, hey, there's a good chance we can argue this. You know what I mean? It just seems like over and over again throughout the Bible, God as this ultimate creator father figure considers quite a bit of the objections or the input of his various creations. It's very interesting in that way. And I do want to say too that one of the most interesting things from this revelation series that I've learned or gotten the perspective of is that of a father. You can very much, if you're a father, relate that to, to God. It seems like now, you know, having a child myself and then doing this biblical exploration, I realize like there's a ton of relatability in God's character as a father.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Top Lobsu]

Was God, was Enoch chosen or was he made for this? Because what is his purpose is to go and deliver judgment to these, these fallen angels like that.

[Ed Mabry]

He was chosen because he chose to walk with God. He chose to do what again? Walking with God is really again, back to Eden. That's what man was supposed to do, walk with God. Remember after the, after Adam and Eve committed original. Well, after ate the forbidden fruit, you know, God, they saw God walking in the cool of the day in Eden and he was like, where are you guys? Because he was used to walking with them and walk. It doesn't just mean the physical aspect of walking. It does, but it means more than that. It means intimate sharing. He said, you know, during the day. And we'll get into this in the Genesis series during the day, you know, rule the earth, fruitful, multiply and rule the earth. And then in the cool of the day, let's walk and talk. Tell me your stories. Tell me what happened. Share with me. That's what Jehovah wants from us. And Enoch chose to do that. He says, I'm going to walk with you. I'm going to be an intimate, in an intimate relationship with you. I'm going to be sharing with you. And because of that, Jehovah says, okay, you're giving me what I want, so you're my guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's so cool. To be, to, to, to do something that otherwise is, is very simple, but we all neglect it on so many levels. But then your reward is like, you know what, dude? Go tell those fallen that like they're pretty screwed. Yeah, they're pretty screwed. And there's no way out of this and they're going to get wrecked. That's pretty dope. I like it.

[Ed Mabry]

Right? So yes, we're not gonna be mistake free and we're, you know, there'll be some tears. And I think, because one of the other myths is that there's going to be no sadness in heaven or in New Jerusalem. I think it will be briefly because when he says he's gonna wipe the tears from our eyes, why Would we be sad? I think for a couple reasons. A couple pretty obvious reasons. One is like, you know, regretting things that happen on Earth. They're going to be people who we love who are not going to be in eternity with us. That's going to be sad. There are people who I love dearly who, who I, unless something changes, are not going to be spending eternity with me. I've tried and, you know, they. They're either ambivalent or they just outright reject it. And, you know, I regret that. I'm going to be sad for them. I'm also going to be sad for missed opportunities. I'm going to look back in my life and say, you know, when I'm. When I'm in eternity and say, you know, I could have, if only I had done this differently. But he says he's going to wipe those tears away. I think the saddest day in heaven or in any new Jerusalem. It's going to be your first day.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. That would be pretty jarring, right?

[Ed Mabry]

You'll be happy, you'll be enjoy. That'll be the quote, unquote, saddest of the. Of the days. Every, every day after that is going to get more and more joyful. We'll talk about why, if we can. We're going to keep growing and be. And becoming exponentially happier and more joyful every day. Quote, unquote. That passes. But which. So technically, the first day when you're, you know, you're. You're there, you're like, this is great. This is wonderful. But, oh, man, I'm, you know, my. My friend, my uncle, my aunt or my dad or whoever, they're not here. That. That sucks. And God's gonna. He's gonna. He's gonna comfort us, wipe away our tears, and then we're gonna go forward. So there's gonna make me tall. Yeah, yeah. There's gonna be a, you know, a little bit of sadness there. So. But another one. And I'm seeing where we are with time. Okay, here's a good one. Myth is that there's no sex in heaven.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh.

[Ed Mabry]

And that's technically true, but not true. There's not going to be what we consider sex, our physical sex, which is on. On the surface, you can say that. Well, that. That sucks. Or, or doesn't. There's. There's. And why. Because understand what the sexual act is. The sexual act is the seal of the marriage covenant. That's right. That's why you're supposed to be a virgin before you get with your Partner. Because when the first. The person you have sex with you, that's the ceiling of the marriage covenant. And it's in. But so, and again, when. In, in the Gospels, when some of the Pharisees or Sadducees or whatever were trying to trap Jesus and they gave it. Gave him this. This, I guess, conundrum that they thought he couldn't solve. So you have, you have a woman who was married, her husband dies, she gets remarried, that guy dies. She actually married, that guy died. She had bad luck with men, apparently, or she's doing. No, there's that. So. And they said, when she gets to eternity, whose wife is she? Because they're all in heaven, her and her X number of husbands who. And Jesus said, well, don't you know that we will be like, when we get to eternity, we will be like the angels in heaven who neither marry nor are given in marriage. So there's going to be no marriage in heaven, meaning there's not going to be a need to seal the marriage covenant. However, keep in mind what we're not. So we're not going to have sex with a wife in heaven, but understand that the sexual act, that intimacy is a reflection of what heaven is going to be like. So when you are intimate with your spouse, you are touching heaven, you are touching eternity, you are touching that joy, that ecstasy, that intimacy, that what you feel when you're having sex, you're going to feel that all the time.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this is getting. See, now we're just going to have a bunch of people in heaven just walking around. Just.

[Top Lobsu]

The first day is going to be real weird. You'll be crying and crying and orgasming all day for the first couple of days.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So what about, what about. Because I really like my wife and I would like to still be able to like, totally hang out with her and be her husband and stuff. Is that still gonna be. Because I feel like that would be my first question.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, you're still gonna, you're still gonna know her and you're, you know, we're still gonna know everyone, but just to keep going with the whole intimacy thing, we'll be able to have that level of intimacy with everyone. Not now, we're not going to be physically banging them, but we're going to be able to spiritually, like have that level a different. Again going from, from 2 dimensions to 3 to 11. So it's, let's say, like when you're talking with someone, you can have like, let's say when you and your wife were dating when you were just talking, you were having a conversation. You just felt this connection and this was just talking. Imagine that on higher, higher levels, right? That you're. So you can talk to someone in heaven and you can experience a level of intimacy with them through the conversation that is like exponentially many levels higher than what you can experience now. Like, you can be having just a great conversation with someone. You feel like, you know what? I'm connecting with this person. I'm, you know, I'm digging them. We're, you know, we're having a really good time. That's the kind of intimacy we'll have. And it's going to be better than the intercourse that we have here on earth.

[Top Lobsu]

Are you saying that I shouldn't talk to woman anymore? I feel like that's what you just said.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes.

[Top Lobsu]

Because if you're talking to them, and I feel like even if I make a woman laugh, I'm being intimate. Because, man, there is something weird to it. But how we express it here is like, in this physical sense. Yeah, I'm not talking to women anymore.

[David Lee Corbo]

If you're a woman, I gotta. Whatever. Whatever is wrong with me, God's gonna have to fix. I have a real problem with intimacy, and I won't be able to. I don't want to be that close to people if I'm talking to this. So hopefully, whatever. But I recognize that it's probably trauma or something.

[Top Lobsu]

There'll probably be a lot of people, though, that, like, you don't, like. I mean, you'd be in heaven.

[Ed Mabry]

Needs to be done.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's the other thing too, is. Yeah, what about, like, look, there's people that I imagine would also go to heaven, but I would be like, oh, yeah, I don't talk to that guy. I don't want to talk to that guy. Yeah, I hope that's an option. I hope it's not like, I hope Jesus is like, no, dude, you have to, like, go and talk to this guy. I'm like, I don't know.

[Ed Mabry]

I don't like his being 10,000 years. Okay, fine. Maybe Bill Maher had a deathbed confession. Like, I don't like. Okay, fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I get. But I don't want to talk. Can I. Can I opt out of talking to Bill Maher? You know what I mean? Like, I just don't want to. Is it like, yeah, good bless you and stuff, and. But I don't want to talk to you. I'm glad. I'm so glad that you're here, but can you be over there? Maybe just a little further.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, maybe like a billion years. We'll. We'll circle back.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's gonna need time. Well, that's the good news is you're gonna have time because this is going to take a lot of getting used to for me being next to.

[Ed Mabry]

No, I get it. But I, I think also our. A lot of. Like I said, I don't think that, like, we'll just instantly. We won't instantly know everything. I think we won't. But I think that a lot of. Of the. Our sin nature is going to fall away. And a lot of that nature. A lot of. A big part of our sin nature is that idea that, you know, we, we don't regard certain people highly. I think maybe we'll be. We'll probably be a little more compassionate. I don't know. But I'm guessing that we're going to have a different mentality.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I guess. Look, if you're, if, if everybody is removed from this. This sinful behavior, I'm sure we're going to be much better versions of ourselves. Not complete, not perfect. Right. Like you're saying. But like markedly, noticeably better versions of ourselves. I'm sure there's a lot of people that I don't enjoy now that I could get along with pretty easily. But once again, we're gonna like some.

[Ed Mabry]

People more than others. That's. There's nothing wrong with that. When I think there are certain people that God likes more than others in.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Bible, ask Cain and Abel.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, he likes some people more than he likes others. It doesn't mean he disliked them. He just looks like, you know, they're levels. You're not gonna like everyone the same.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

You're not gonna be along with everyone the same. You may not get along with Jesus as well as you got along with God the Father, or vice versa.

[Top Lobsu]

That's true.

[Ed Mabry]

They're not. They have different personalities.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

So you're gonna vibe with them in different ways.

[Top Lobsu]

No, but they're probably. They're all probably really cool. I mean, it's different levels.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what it is? It's like in my real life, I'm actually a request. Clues. Despite doing this show and talking to people, I really could be alone for incredible swaths of time without even realizing it and then lifting my head and being like, oh, I haven't been out in public in a long time. Yeah, there we go. Aware Americans is being intimately connected to all these people. Sounds horrific. Yes, yes. But I recognize that as, as something wrong with My hard wiring.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know, because are we here for human connection and to build a connection with God, or are we here to be totally alone?

[Top Lobsu]

Imagine being in Disney World, like. Like at the Magic Kingdom, when they throw in the fireworks, and you're just like. But now I'm like, I'm having sex with all these people. This is a nightmare.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's hell, having sex with all these people, man.

[Top Lobsu]

I want to go home.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, also, but that sounds like a nightmare to me. Disney World, an actual nightmare, so.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, well, it's not gonna be like a P. Diddy party. It's not gonna be like that kind of.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm just gonna need some help. I'm gonna be like, God, please, whatever is in me that makes me want to be alone, make that go away, because that's not conducive to this.

[Ed Mabry]

And keep in mind that Jesus spent time alone, he would get tired of people, and he would go and pray alone. So that makes me feel good. Yeah. So don't worry about it. I think no one's going to be forced to do anything. I don't believe I. But I think. I think we're going to actually want to get to know people, and I think we can probably decide on the level of, how well do I want to know you right now?

[David Lee Corbo]

How much sex do I want to have with you?

[Ed Mabry]

We lost. We've lost control. Maybe, like, some heavy petting, and then we'll leave.

[Top Lobsu]

All right, Ed, what else do we got?

[Ed Mabry]

Sorry, man. Just going so often. Well, this is kind of a tie to it. There's a myth that there's, like, no more, like, human pleasure, not just sex, but, like, you know, that we're just going to be like these ethereal beings that. That don't enjoy the things we enjoy now, which isn't true because we know we're going to be eating and drinking in heaven, and those are things that we enjoy here. I mean, when Jesus was. Was resurrected, every single time he encountered anyone in his resurrected body he wanted to eat, he would ask, hey, you guys got some food? So. So we'll be able to eat in our. In our bodies, which is great. Food is awesome. Yeah, drinking is awesome. Jesus said there's going to be wine in heaven. He says it's going to be that. He says in. At the last Supper, you know, I'm not going to drink from the fruit of the vine wine again until we. We get together in. In eternity. There's gonna be wine. Just gonna be alcohol.

[Top Lobsu]

That's cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

I Wonder if hangovers will happen. Probably not, right? I think we'll be like, super. I said, I wonder if hangovers were happening. But probably not, because probably not.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, we're not gonna have any disease, any type of. Yeah, thankfully it won't be any hangovers. But we're gonna eat and drink, we're gonna laugh. I think there's gonna be tons of laughter. I think we're just gonna, I, I, I, we're gonna be so happy and enjoy it. So we're gonna have all the things.

[David Lee Corbo]

That are, that's actually great because so much of like, if you look into Norse mythology, right, they believe in like Valhalla. Like if you die in battle, then you go to Valhalla and it's essentially like one long ass party. And that doesn't sound appealing either because I want to party for eternity. That's crazy social battery that gets trained and you're like, yeah, like, I'll go and I'll find a room to lay down and I'll go to sleep. But when you have the reductive view of, of heaven or eternity for, for Christians, outside of this conversation, most people have that very like, reductive view where it's like everybody's just, it's love and rainbows and sunshine forever, you know, and there's never any problems and nobody ever gets sick again. The end. And admittedly, and I'm comfortable doing this because that's a straw man that sucks in comparison to Valhalla. You know what I mean? It's like, okay, if I die in battle, I get to go drink and hang out with the homies forever. Like that sounds more appealing, but that is a straw man of, of what you're describing right now, which is much more appealing, I think.

[Ed Mabry]

Just, I think all of all the different mythologies around the afterlife, there may be a kernel of truth in all of them. It may be a little bit. Yeah. Are there's going to be parties? Yeah, there's, there's going to be feasting in heaven and feast. You were going to be hanging out and eating and drinking. If you want to hang out, be alone and just contemplate the universe and like talk. Another thing is, since God is omnipresent, we'll be able to. Everyone can talk to him at the same time. Like, you know, you can talk to him about, if you're into physics in space, like Jehovah, how did you do this? What? You know what was right. I just want to contemplate the stars and galaxies by myself with God Or I want to just hang out with one person. Or, you know, I want to do some other creative things. I want to grow a garden. I want to do. I want to cook. Whatever you want to do, you can do it anytime you want you. Which is going to get. Which gets us to our. The last thing in which I think is going to be about eternity, which is that myth about eternity, is that we're all going to be the same. We talked about this a few times earlier. That is, we're going to be one mind, a single consciousness. This nirvana, that kind of nonsense. No, we are all going to live in our uniqueness. You are going. Like you said before, Raven, we're going to be fully ourselves. We're going to be the unique individuals that God created us to be and that we've. And that we've evolved. Not that kind of evolution, but that through our experiences that have shaped us and made us into the unique people that we are, and we're going to share that with everyone else.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is a good question. Arcane Arsenal says, will there be former pets and animals there?

[Ed Mabry]

That is a good question. I. I truly don't know. I've heard the Bible isn't clear on that. Now we know that there will be if. If we can take this literally, that there are horses, you know, because in heaven, because, you know, people says Jesus descends with the armies of heaven on horseback. Now, is that metaphorical? Possibly. Right? Is that little of this literal thing? There's going to be animals, I believe, because, you know, it's going to be like Eden. I think they're going to be. They're going to be. I think they're going to be animals. They're going to be created. They're going to be other beings there. I mean, these other beings, they're going to be other animal life. Does that mean our pets come back? That's tough. Because the question is, if they come back, does that mean, do they actually have a soul?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. And then I actually start to question that. I feel bad because it's like, are some souls relegated to just be animals then? Is there lesser souls? You know what I mean? That's becomes a big confusing conversation.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Top Lobsu]

Sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobsu]

5, 11. And I beheld and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne and the beasts and the elders, and the number of them was 10 by 10 by 10, so. And there's beasts there. I don't know what that means.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, those beasts are actually. Were you reading from the King James? Because that word beast is the word zoa, which means living creature, and also the cherubim.

[Top Lobsu]

Oh, okay. Okay. Well, never mind.

[Ed Mabry]

No, but, but again, that's in heaven on the, on the new Earth. We're going to talk about the new Earth next time. Because, by the way, the new Earth is going to be bigger than our current Earth. There's a little primer for you. It has to be bigger in order to house the dimensions of the new Jerusalem. So we're gonna have a new Earth that's going to be very different looking than our old Earth. But what was it like in Eden? There were animals there, so I think animals will be there. Will our pets be. I hope so. Hope so, because I, I, you know, I've had a couple dogs in my life. My current one, she's 12. She's, you know, probably not much longer for this world, but I, I'd love her to be there, but I don't know. I really wish I could definitively say this is.

[David Lee Corbo]

This resonates with me so much. Not nice guy. Can it be heaven if my cats aren't there? I love.

[Top Lobsu]

Can it be heaven if David's cats are there for me?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I love my. It can't be heaven if it's. If your dog's there and my kids. Never safe.

[Ed Mabry]

Unbelievable. Yeah, I, I wish I could answer that because I've heard that question a lot and I, I just, I have no definitive answer. The Bible isn't clear, you know, there, there will be animals. Will. Will God in his mercy allow it in his grace? Maybe I hope he will.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I just, I wonder because God gave us a capacity for loving animals to such a degree that, you know, the death of an animal, the death of a pet is so groundbreaking. It's so, like, earth shattering and, you know, you can experience a range of sadness that is only manifest when, when a loved one passes away. And I just don't know. I just. To me, it seems like everything has its purpose. Why would God. And I'm not saying there's going to be pets in heaven, but why would God give us this capacity for this, you know, undefinable level of love for these animals? To what end, I wonder, you know, and we won't know until we get there.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, it really depends on the question of if these animals have a spirit that can be. I mean, my dog has a personality, but is it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

But is it. Is it on the same level that it can be resurrect? I, I don't know. I really.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, Ed, on my other show. We watched a dog communicate with buttons. And it was very strange. It was like a whole grid of buttons on the ground. And each one would say something different. Hungry, scared, whatever. And the dog would, like, go up and hit the buttons to the degree that I. I was really uncertain if this was just like, clever training or if the dog was actually trying to convey a message.

[Top Lobsu]

No, the dog knows. My old dog Brody used to do that. It's just like you. You teach him. You want to go outside. This is the button. This color. You wanna. You're hungry, you want food. This is the button. And he'll. He always wanted to go outside. But they understand to communicate.

[Ed Mabry]

But, yeah, when you know and you have these. About these chimpanzees with no sign language, they can literally communicate.

[David Lee Corbo]

Chimpanzees can't go to heaven. They're very mean.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, they'll tear your face off. But. But point is that they have a certain level of intelligence, which means that they have some type of intention which tells them that there's a spirit there. And if it's spirit, then it's eternal. So maybe.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe I'm talking also, I don't want to harp on this too long. I know we don't have a lot of time, but there is something very special that happens. Have you ever seen dogs around a sick child? Like a terminally ill child? Have you ever watched dogs weep when their owners die? I've seen those videos. It's horrifying. Actually, I think part of it is horrifying because for a brief moment, you suspect because of this, you know, behavior, that only a thing that. That is like, you would do that, and that is like. There's something harrowing about that. I don't know if it's. Because then you look at this thing, you're like. And you're trapped in a dog's body. Or if it's because we don't share. Yeah, but we don't share this planet with any other being that is as sentient as us. The closest thing is, like, sometimes dolphins will display things that are like, oh, intriguing. But like you, unless you're John C. Lily jerking off dolphins. You don't love a dolphin the way that you love a dog, right? So, I don't know. It's. It's. It's a very unique creature. And it almost seems like they're changing too. They're getting smarter, they're doing more. You know, I don't know if they used to do this much back in the day, but you could watch A tick tock video of a dog with more personality than like, you. You know what I mean? And then, and then that's weird. I don't know what to do with that. So it is strange. But I hope so.

[Ed Mabry]

I. I do too. I hope. I hope so. I'd love to have. Have my dogs back. My hamster. I could care less.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, you know what though? Maybe we can petition God. There seems to be a lot of bargaining with God. Maybe when we die, we could all get together and we go, look, I know it's pretty cool here, but we need to get to. It's just some signatures. And we'll go to God and be like, can you bring them over? Can you just bring them over? The dead dogs.

[Ed Mabry]

I hate that my. My cousin didn't make it happen. I need my. My emotional support dog back. Can you.

[David Lee Corbo]

There are people I would gladly sacrifice Tim Pool for every childhood pet that I had.

[Ed Mabry]

I hate to say, but there are certain people who I would rather if I saw you in heaven and not my dog, I'd be like, really? Yeah.

[Top Lobsu]

It's like, I barely know these guys every day with the dog.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've done a couple of podcasts with them, but, like, I literally hung out with this dude every day. Can I have him instead? Please give me the dog. Take Nephilim Death Squad.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, my dog was happy to see me every day. Okay. Care lots about. So I'm just gonna wrap it up with. With this just to give people an overall idea before we take a deeper dive next week. Eternity. Imagine what your uniqueness, who you are uniquely the thing that I would. I would actually suggest you go to Flowsess. I know you talked about that before and find out your intangible driver because that will start helping you understand your uniqueness. What motivates you. Think about what you can do every day that you would never get tired of. As you do it all the time, it just feels like, thank you. And when you do it, you're like, I could do this forever. I remember a time when I was. It was in my 20s, hanging out with my best friend at the time, who he became my best friend. We were co workers and we were at. We had a crappy job. It was my first job out of college. It was crap. We were paid nothing. We saved up all our money. We took a trip to Mexico. We went to Puerto Vallarta and again, we didn't have a ton of money. We were staying in a crappy hotel and we just went downstairs. We got a bucket of coronas we sat outside of this little Mexican restaurant, obviously Mexican restaurants in Mexico, this little restaurant. We had some tacos and a bottle of Corona and we. Bucket of Coronas. We were sitting in front of the beach watching people play in the sand. And we were sitting there like, you know what? I could, this, I could do this forever. Just hanging out with my buddy, talking, you know, bucket of Coronas, some tacos. And I was like, this is at my point is like, that was me touching eternity for a moment. That was me saying that this is something that I get nothing but pleasure out of this and joy. And I could just do this forever. Think about that. Think about what you can do. Me, teaching, learning and teaching. I, I will never get tired of learning and teaching because that's, that's part of my uniqueness. I will do this for eternity. I'm going to learn new information. I'm going to help other people understand the new information. I don't get tired of this. Not only do I not get tired of doing this, I get more energy from it. I have more energy now than when I started this podcast. This, on this, this episode. That's what we're going to be like. That's what happen is going to be like our eternity will be like whatever you do that you can do forever, that you get more energy. The more you do it. It doesn't drain you, but it makes you, it gives you even more energy. That's what, that's what you will be doing for eternity because that's the value that you bring and that's the value that everyone else will benefit from.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's good. That's good because I can't really seem to shut the up now, and I can't imagine spending eternity where that would, you know, it's just like so much about, like, just to go back to this idea of like the reductive viewpoint of heaven or even the Gnostic idea where it's like we're all energy returning to an energetic source. It just doesn't make it, it hurts. It's, it's. It feels like death and it feels the opposite of eternal life.

[Ed Mabry]

Maybe that's what happened. Right. I wonder if hell will just be like. I mean, it won't be. We'll still be individuals there, but maybe that'll be. Maybe that's more like hell. Just this one consciousness.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And you're not, you're not an individual at all. I mean, you know, and we've talked about that before too, where it's like a lot of these Psychedelic explorers, they, they think that there's benefit in what's, what they call the ego death. And, and I think like there is some ego that needs to be rolled back, right? There's, there's a level of, of self worship involved in that that I would say is negative, but that's not necessarily what they're describing. It's like I did an androgynous dump of dimethyltryptamine and then I lost my sense of self. Like, oh, okay, that sounds like hell, dog. That sounds really bad. I don't want to lose my sense of self. That's. That sounds like descending into spiraling madness. Never ending madness. I don't know why people champion that idea. I've never, I've never been into that. It's like I just experienced my ego death, dude. And half the time, no, they didn't because they can't shut the hell up about it. But I don't know, it's, it's reassuring to know that there's a sense of purpose and there's a sense of self. There are things that we can stand to lose that make us sinful in nature. But I don't think that means losing your sense of self.

[Ed Mabry]

I think my opinion why that appeals to certain people is that isn't that it's an abdication of responsibility, of purpose. Like I don't have to, I, I don't have the responsibility of living my purpose anymore. I can just let myself go. That which is not a good, it's not a healthy mindset.

[Top Lobsu]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, well, but keep in.

[Ed Mabry]

Mind that maybe, maybe that it will be hell for some people because again, when I give my big conclusion, I'm going to say that, I'm going to talk about the idea that I mentioned earlier, which is that everyone gets what they claim they want. And if somebody says, you know, I want to just be this amorphous non conscious blob, maybe that's what you're going to get.

[David Lee Corbo]

Careful what you wish for, right? That's why I, I always say, you know, whenever it comes to my prayers and, and things that I really want, sometimes I'll talk about the things that I want. But most over everything is to be in alignment with God's will.

[Ed Mabry]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

God has a plan for me. God has a plan for everybody. I want to be in alignment with that plan. I want to be walking on the path that is that plan. And I hope that he does not plan for me to be an amorphous energy cloud when I die.

[Ed Mabry]

I, I can I can guarantee you he does not want that. That is the opposite of what he wants. He would not have created us without. He would not create intelligent beings if. If he did not want to interact with us individually. Why make individuals if you don't want to interact with individuals? That would be. Why would he make all of us? And it's okay now you're gonna be one again. Okay, that makes. No.

[David Lee Corbo]

Also, why does God want to spend time with a cloud? You know what I mean? Like, I've become very comfortable over the evolution of this series and, and everything that we've learned here. I used to not say that you could attribute anything of yourself to God. In other words, like, why would we claim to understand the nature of God? Just because we're people doesn't mean that God is. Is, you know, anything similar to us. But after I've gone down this journey, I realized, like, there's a fractal nature to reality exactly above, so below. From the micro to the macro, everything emulates itself. And seeing so many aspects of fatherhood in God's personality, as we've explored the Bible, makes me feel pretty comfortable actually attributing things that I might feel to God. And I think that that makes sense. There's like a relatability. Like you. Like one of the things you've really shown us here is that God wants us to understand Him. That's something that was foreign to me previously that God wants us to. And I think the breadcrumbs are everywhere. I think it's. It's. You can look within yourself and see much of God. That does not mean that you are God. No, I think it means that God made you in such a way, the deeper your understanding of yourself, it also deepens your understanding of God. And that's just a real turning point for me where I used to kind of just. And it wasn't like I would dismiss it, but I would just go, like, how do you. How do people know? How are you claiming God is one thing or another? And I was. I was in a very lazy way saying that you couldn't understand while not trying to understand. Then I found that when you try to understand, there's a lot of stuff there. You can. Well, I don't know if you can understand it all, but you could understand a lot.

[Ed Mabry]

What you said before about it's the fractal nature. That's really what it is. He gives these little fractals of what things. Like the fatherhood is a fractal. God created what a father's role should be. Why? Because so that we can understand that aspect. Marriage is a fractal of eternity with a bride of Christ. Our marriage relationship with our spouse is again, a reflection of what of Christ and his bride. I mean, Paul says that explicitly that, you know, I speak of. We saw, you know, wives, submit to your husbands. Husbands, love your wives. Since I show you a great mystery about speaking of Christ and the Church. Our marriage is a fractal of heaven. Our children. Our children are fractal of something I'm going to talk about in a couple episodes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, if you look at the statistics that say that what are young men likely to end up in if their father is absent from the home? It's like, well, they're likely to end up dead or in jail. Right? Those are the real big things. And, and the likelihood jumps up exponentially once the Father is removed from the household. And I think that that is indicative of us as a people. It's like the further we get from God, well, how do you end up in jail or dead? You engage in, in a sinful lifestyle, right? And so as a populace as a whole, when we are away from the Father, we are closer to sin and ruin. It's just like one of those things. It's, it's all the way down, right from the top, all the way down. It echoes itself to the minutiae, all the way up to the macro. It's becoming more and more obvious to me.

[Ed Mabry]

Guys, I hate to end it. We got, we got. I gotta run. I wish I could be on for another hour, but. Okay, basketball practice.

[David Lee Corbo]

Where are we going next time? And then let's talk about where people.

[Ed Mabry]

Find you next time. We're actually going to talk about the physical New Jerusalem. We're going to read chapter 21 of Revelation, probably maybe the first few verses of chapter 22. And so we're going to talk about the. About, you know, what it's going to look like, what heaven is actually going to be like physically heaven. Excuse me, the New Jerusalem. What it's going to be like physically, what is what, what. Then we'll start talking about what we're going to do there. And then the episode after that. It's. We're going to get into some of the theories of, of what we touched on some of it today, but we'll, we'll start getting into some, some theoretical stuff about what we'll be doing for eternity.

[David Lee Corbo]

Awesome.

[Ed Mabry]

Awesome. Then, then we'll wrap it up and see where we go from there.

[Top Lobsu]

All right, one more time. Faith by Reason.net. go there, check them out. It has some cool stuff coming for you guys as well with. In the form of Patreon and other other cool things like that. Skip to the beginning of the episode. You'll. You'll hear all about it. It's gonna be.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, go back to the beginning. The. The next Genesis will be up next week. I already finished that stuff. I've got to finish editing it. I'm gonna throw the audio up on. I'll get the audio up, like probably over the weekend. And then the video will be up on YouTube a little bit after that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, thank you for your time, Ed. I'm. I'm glad. It's always too far in between. I don't like when we take breaks and I also don't like that this series is coming to an end. But like you said, there's a lot of stuff we're. That you're working on right now and hopefully we can come back and maybe turn something new into a series for the audience because people have really grown fond. I have grown fond of this series. It's really helped me to understand a lot more. So thank you for what you do, Ed, and thank you for your time. Top, do we got anything else?

[Top Lobsu]

That's it, guys. Don't forget to obey. Submit. Comply. See you later.

[Ed Mabry]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade me that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.