Mother Horse Eyes Series Review: Pt 1

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad – Mother Horse Eyes Series Review: Pt 1

Original Air Date: May 6, 2026
Hosted by: David L Corbo, TopLobsta (Amy), Matt, Nancy
Podcast Network: TopLobsta Productions

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Episode Overview

Theme:
This episode kicks off the Nephilim Death Squad’s deep-dive review of the cult classic internet horror series, “Mother Horse Eyes” (MHE), a sprawling and enigmatic creepypasta that weaves together conspiracy theory, psychedelic horror, and hidden history. The hosts (David, Amy, Matt, and Nancy) present an irreverent, inquisitive, and often comic discussion as they break down the story’s labyrinthine narrative, biblical implications, and overlap with real-world weirdness like MK Ultra, LSD experimentation, and the intersection of technology, spirituality, and power.

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Key Points & Discussion Highlights

1. Setting the Stage: What is Mother Horse Eyes?

[01:27 - 05:15]

• The hosts explain the background of "Mother Horse Eyes," an internet fiction series published in 2016 as interconnected Reddit posts, later gaining a cult following for its unique blend of speculative fiction and actual conspiracy lore.
• Matt admits up front he doesn’t know what he’s getting into:
  “It’s definitely got some demonic... stories because you guys keep talking about it’s like a bunch of stories... There’s a horse with a bunch of eyes… Is it the same thing you have the shirt for?” (Matt, 05:00)
• David emphasizes the series’ creepypasta roots and its relevance to conspiracy and spiritual themes explored in Nephilim Death Squad.

2. Breaking Down the Mother Horse Eyes Narrative

[08:11 - 11:36]

• The crew plays and then recaps an excerpt from MHE describing the CIA’s acid-laden, dimensional experiments and the emergence of "flesh interfaces"—portals with deeply unsettling, almost bio-organic, sci-fi characteristics.
• Notable Quote:
  “This is how the restraint bed portals and flesh interfaces were created. That is from a heavy psycho mutated hierarchy…” (Narrator, 08:11)

Themes Highlighted:

• Historical conspiracies (MK Ultra, Soviet experiments)
• LSD as a catalyst for “intellectual mutations” and extradimensional invention
• The recurring, grotesque motif of flesh interfaces and segmentation (objects and people being dismembered or partially phased-out without dying)

3. Stories within Stories: Quantum Leaps, Reddit Mysteries, and Alternate Realities

[15:08 – 18:20]

• The narration and hosts keep returning to whether this is fiction or has real-world predictive power, noting how MHE's connections to real events and conspiracies blurred lines—especially since some predictions predated public knowledge.
• Amy explains how the MHE author (anonymous) strategically posted story fragments across multiple Reddit subforums, creating an experiential scavenger hunt.
• "It connects to so much reality and including aspects of conspiracy that kind of weren't revealed until 2020, 2021. And this was written back in 2016." (David, 14:23)

4. Portal Science: Segmentation, Portal Geometry, and the Bible

[18:21 - 24:56, 46:00 - 47:26]

• The episode introduces and debates the MHE motif of “flesh interfaces/portals”—transdimensional spaces causing bizarre physical phenomena (e.g., living things being segmented and still functioning).

• Speculation about biblical connections: Is the "flesh interface" akin to Revelation's New Jerusalem, or is the Book itself a coded account of such a portal?

• Notable Quote:
  "Many people think that a portal is simply a large flesh interface. This is true… but it is also more than that." (Narrator, 18:20)

• Matt and the team riff on how much the language of portals echoes scriptural and supernatural themes—joking, "Think of a vagina... Life comes out of that." (Amy & David, 26:13)

5. MK Ultra, LSD, and The Fabric of Conspiracy

[46:00 – 56:13]

• The group relates the story’s themes to actual government experimentation with mind-altering drugs (MK Ultra, Soviet psychic programs), the use of children as test subjects, and dark historical echoes (including the biblical and spiritual implications).
• Notable breakdown:
  "They're trying to interact with this phenomenon... the younger the subject who's pushed through, the more likely they were going to come back and be able to recollect anything." (David, 46:50)

6. Major Story Beats & “Memorable Moments”

[65:10 - 76:24, 135:25 - 154:47]

The Encased Child (Jingles)

• A pivotal MHE segment follows the fate of “Jingles,” an eight-year-old sent through a portal, who returns in a violent, LSD-soaked embryonic sac, physically “reset” to infancy but retaining memories before dying mysteriously.
• “She had the form of an eight year old girl, but seemed a lot newer... Her final words, before she simply stopped living... ‘come unto these yellow sands’” (Narrator, 70:51)
• The panel dissects how clinical, “realistic” institutional abuse and dehumanization (e.g., naming test children after dogs) ground the horror in disturbing plausibility.

Iwo Jima Interface

[137:25 – 154:47]

• The WWII battle of Iwo Jima is retold as a literal hellscape: bombs and bullets fail, invisible segmentation zones dismember troops, and a mountain becomes an alien “flesh interface” topped by a disembodied, laughing/crying Christian Korean—juxtaposing historical atrocity, supernatural horror, and biblical references (the Devil tempting Jesus atop the mountain).
• “No fire, no sound but the motors and the clinking... No movement from the interior. Then screams. Bloody stumps. Men cut in half. But still no fire.” (Narrator, 137:57)

7. Host Commentary and Christian/Conspiracy Contextualization

Throughout

• Hosts continually anchor the MHE narrative in biblical, spiritual warfare terms, likening the portals, segmented worlds, and LSD mind mutations to Watcher technology, demonic deception, and the Tower of Babel.
• The blending of humor ("Don't shake it around like that. It's just a flesh suit.") and solemnity adds levity but also gravity to the horror.

8. Meta-Narrative: The Author’s Interlude and Philosophical Shift

[97:04 - 116:16]

• The episode features a fourth-wall-breaking “meta” segment in which the author explains his anonymity, creative process, and personal descent into fractured time and psychosis due to “intellectual mutations” (via drugs)—warning of looming totalitarian “integration” (singularity) and the loss of free will, relating it to biblical prophecy:

  “I have personally experienced the intellectual mutations of which I write… We are doomed, as the apocryphal Chinese curse has it, to live in interesting times. Soon, technological advances in the field of information technology and bioengineering will fundamentally reshape human existence… 99.9999% of possible futures result in this outcome.” (Narrator/Author, 103:18, 106:06)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the vagueness of fiction vs. reality:
  “I should clarify that this information is not fiction, nor is it true. Oh, it is a mix of things which happened and things which almost happened, things which were and things which could have been.” (Narrator/Author, 103:33)

• On the horror of segmentation:
  "If it’s a living thing, when it passes through, it continues to operate as if…the body part that is vanished…" (David, 27:40)

• On religious technology & portals:
  “The Book of Revelations is also considered to be a description of a flesh interface, especially a description of New Jerusalem... These have been termed ant farms. In undersea interfaces you get chitinous cruciform organisms.” (Narrator/Storyteller, 18:21)

• Summing up the meta sense of doom:
  “It will not be easy. In order to find it, we must sort through the many possible past to find the few possible futures which result in a humanity free to live and die as humans, and not as an unholy agglomeration of mindless flesh.” (Narrator/Author, 106:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:27–05:15 – Explaining “Mother Horse Eyes” and its internet folklore origins
• 08:11–11:36 – Excerpt: CIA LSD experiments, “restraint bed portals,” and segmentation
• 14:23–15:28 – Real-world prediction and conspiracy connections
• 18:21–24:56 / 46:00–47:26 – The theory and horror of “flesh interfaces” and biblical tie-ins
• 65:10–76:24 – The story of “Jingles,” the encased child from the portal
• 97:04–103:18 – Author’s “Letter” and philosophical reflections on reality, fiction, and the singularity
• 137:25–154:47 – The Iwo Jima flesh interface / portal segment
• approx. 155:00 – Recap, discussion of patterns, and conclusion for Part 1

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Tone & Language

The hosts maintain a mix of dry, sardonic humor ("Think of a vagina... Life comes out of that") and thoughtful cultural critique, alternating between playful ribbing, personal asides (pizza debates, gym woes), and serious digressions on spiritual deception, conspiracy theory, and apocalyptic eschatology. The show’s dialogue mirrors the dizzying, unsettling nature of Mother Horse Eyes itself.

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For Next Time...

• The team plans to continue with further dissection of the Mother Horse Eyes saga, moving deeper into its stranger chapters (as teased: “Iwo Jima grips the shit out of you… you don’t want to stop listening.”).
• Expect more biblical correlations, comparisons to real-world spiritual warfare, and ongoing humorous but relentless curiosity.

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Final Thought

“This is a hard thing to explain. It’s every conspiracy ever… but it's all the same thing.” (Amy, 117:24)

For Christian and conspiracy-minded listeners, Mother Horse Eyes is simultaneously a mirror, a warning, and a fever dream. This episode delivers both insight and unease—treading the narrow gate between fiction and reality.

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[End of Part 1 Summary | Episode marked 01:03:00 – resume here for Part 2]

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[David]

They never went away. They're still here today. When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Despot. Never look Desp. That squad. Death squad. Nancy, we saw you. We saw you. We saw you come in before the show started and we saw that your camera was on. Nancy. We saw her face in the bag. I've seen your. Your whole part. She left again. Guys. Very exciting episode today. This is going to be a departure from the normal Nephilim death squad. And we are going to begin. This is part one of the Mother Horse Eyes review, which. Good God. Anybody got a over under on how many parts it's going to be probably 60 parts. It could be 60 parts.

[Amy]

Matt has no idea that what he's just signed up for.

[David]

Yeah, Matt's joined us today and he's been wanting to come on the show. We invited him yesterday. He declined. He declined. And I said, you know what, Matt? We can have a show today. Let's do a show today. And he said, okay, cool. I'll make some time for it. And here we are. So he has no idea what he's getting into. Some of the audience doesn't know what they're getting into because this series was something that we put out there. I wonder. Let's see. I could look at the Spotify real quick and see when this was.

[Amy]

Oh, I got it here.

[David]

June 19, 2025. It's been nearly a full year since this show, Mother Horse Eyes, has been posted to our channel. And it was. I mean, it's exhilarating. I love the series. The audience fell in love with it. And then we kind of just kicked the ball around on doing a review for a fucking year. And this morning, sponsored, you know, spontaneously, we decided, screw it, let's do it.

[Amy]

Well, you're not going to tell the truth of what happened this morning.

[David]

What happened this morning?

[Amy]

We were supposed to do another show and then we didn't.

[Matt]

Right, right.

[David]

Things came up, so nothing came up. That's not true. We.

[Amy]

We want to do this series so hard.

[David]

Yeah, dude. I've been listening to it and I think I have a little bit over two hours left. And I'm getting sad that I'm coming to the end now. I'm happy that I get to start it with you guys. And I'm also happy that Matt gets to be exposed to it because he doesn't know what the fuck he's in for.

[Matt]

I got a bad feeling, though, to be totally honest. I saw the thumbnail. I don't know. Something feels a little sketch of Source Rex about this, but we'll see.

[David]

It's a. It's a demonic looking thumbnail, but it was created by demons.

[Matt]

But whatever it is, for you to beg me to come back on the show, it's gotta be good.

[David]

That's not a word that I would use to describe how this went, but I'll allow it.

[Amy]

Okay.

[David]

All right, so. So this is what we're going to do, guys. This is.

[Amy]

I think the important part to nail here is that Matt has no clue what this is about. This is not in his wheelhouse.

[David]

I would like to hear Matt, if you could say, just based off of the thumbnail and the name. Do you have, like an idea of what this will be about?

[Matt]

It's definitely got some demonic. It's stories because you guys keep talking about it's like a bunch of stories. What's the over under for the story? So it's basically just chronicles it. People telling crazy stories. There's a horse with like a bunch of eyes on it. The flies are involved. Is it the same thing you have the shirt for?

[Amy]

Yes.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's what I know. I just named everything. I know.

[David]

That wasn't so much of a guess of what it would be about as much as a listing of the elements you're aware of. Which is fine. You wouldn't have gotten it anyway. And to be perfectly honest, the yes, it's creepypasta.

[Amy]

Are you aware of Creepypasta? Okay, perfect.

[David]

Nancy's having some trouble. She keeps entering and leaving and entering and leaving.

[Matt]

Does she know we can see her though?

[David]

Did she know that we could see? I told her we could see.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's why her camera wasn't like she looked like that. I knew it was Japanese, but I didn't know it was like that kind of Japanese.

[David]

It's actually pronounced Rapinese. Hey, Nancy. Hi. Are you excited for the review of Mother Horse Eyes?

[Amy]

Yep. Have you listened to this Nancy?

[David]

Part of it.

[Amy]

Oh, man. Filled with charisma today.

[David]

Yes.

[Amy]

It's going to be a good day.

[David]

Nancy on fire.

[Amy]

Are we ready to start this up?

[Matt]

Yeah, I guess.

[David]

There's no. There's no better way. Oh, Nancy says hello. Did you hear that? To you, Matt.

[Matt]

Hey, Nance. Good to see you again.

[David]

We did see you. You did know that when you first came in, your camera was on, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Amy]

She was sitting cross legged. Just a bunch of boiling pots of water around it, all around.

[David]

That was no fire though. No stove tops, just boiling water. I don't know how she did it.

[Amy]

I wouldn't worry about it.

[David]

The best way to do this is just to get into it. So. So I guess without further ado, let us. Let's start this series.

[Amy]

Here we go. Guys, can you hear this? Can you hear that?

[David]

Yeah, guys, Can you hear that? Nance, did you hear any of that?

[Matt]

It.

[David]

It sounds like a dryer going. That's just electronic 80s music. Hold on, wait. What's going on top? Bring it up real quick. See if it's.

[Amy]

It should be playing.

[David]

I'm not hearing anything. That's okay. I have it over here. I'm getting a lot of. Nope, it looks like.

[Matt]

No, no, no. That's delayed though. You can. You just started to hear it now. The MK Ultra Acid experiments.

[David]

Yeah, but I'm not seeing anybody reciprocate. Okay. We can't hear anything. So it might just be a plugin issue. I have mine and I can share my screen.

[Matt]

So we're not watching a movie. It's somebody talking.

[David]

Yes. And that's like not telling stories I would typically give a shit about. And it's so good that I do give a shit about it. So let's share mine and remove the thing. Story time. It's story time. I'm sorry, guys.

[Amy]

Sit down and shut the Up.

[David]

Shut up. No talking.

[Amy]

We'll try this again.

[Matt]

Take the camera off my face top, cuz I got a feeling I'm going to be doing some crazy.

[David]

And Nancy, if you can hear it, chime in immediately so we know.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's loud.

[David]

Really loud.

[Matt]

Did she just sound like she was inhaling something? Yeah, you can hear it. It's loud.

[David]

All right. Here. It's about to start. There's a long delay.

[Amy]

Nancy smoking?

[Matt]

Maybe like bong tokes or something? I don't know.

[David]

No, Nancy doesn't.

[Amy]

Is that what all the water is for, Nance?

[David]

It because it could be she's boiling her bongs. That's how you clean them. Makes your house stink. Coffee Okay, I respect that.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Experiments the CIA dosed Unwitting subject I can hear it. To see how they would react. What has not yet come to light is that MK ULTRA was an intra agency project. The CIA created new departments within the CIA and fed them steady doses of LSD and other psychoactives to see how the departments would diverge and mutate away from normal departments. Whole projects and hierarchies were created. Everybody involved being more or less unwittingly under the influences of lsd. This is how the restraint bed portals and flesh interfaces were created. That is from a heavy psycho mutated hierarchy. The entire thing had to be eliminated. But the technology it created has been revolutionary. In Vietnam, the US government tried to pacify the country village by village using the Strategic Hamlet project. Basically creating villages where there was no or little Viet Cong influence. They tried more extreme experiments where they completely isolated villages or groups of villages, allowing absolutely nobody to enter or exit for periods of up to four years. In some of the villages, people simply starved to death. In other more self sufficient villages, the people managed to scrape by. It was noted that in many of the villages where this technique was tried, messianic or millenarian movements sprang up. In 16 separate incidences, villages were able to independently invent flesh interfaces and non electrical portals. And it was surmised that these villages were being collectively dosed with LSD for long periods of time. And their intellectual mutations allowed for these advances. The flesh interfaces were eventually destroyed by the North Vietnamese army at a terrible cost in life. I'm surprised they used nuclear subs in the Falklands considering the battle's proximity to the undersea incident zone surrounding the so called Artigas portal. As I understand it, the portal was open because of experiments taking place in the CIA's Antarctic station in the early 80s and Falklands quickly became A center for portal research. Being underwater, the portal had an enormous incident zone and segmented whales and other undersea debris would regularly wash up on the island's shores. They found one whale that had been segmented cleanly in half by an ins.

[David]

It's. It's quiet. The audience can hear it. Turn up our monitor. Okay, please.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Zone disturbance proving a perfect cross section of the creature. They also found hundreds of echitnous cruciform creatures, certainly non terrestrial in origin. Anyways, if a nuclear sub had wandered into the incident zone, it would have been disastrous, but I guess they considered the risk acceptable. The Soviets designed large portions of the Ukraine's countryside as harvest populations. Basically, their food and water supplies were dosed with LSD until they had achieved what the Soviets called integration. This meant that the local populations had independently invented flesh interfaces. The Soviet army would then quarantine the area and try to remove the flesh interfaces for their own use.

[David]

All right, I'm gonna pause it right there and we're gonna try to unpack a little bit of this because this first segment is a little bit longer than I anticipated. Also very. Just for the audience's sake, we had like a crowd of people move through the studio as soon as that happened. So I actually don't know what the fuck is going on at all. Top was not even here for half of it. And you know. Matt, have you caught any of it?

[Matt]

No. Well, can I ask questions? I just don't.

[David]

Absolutely ask.

[Matt]

Okay, so what.

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[Matt]

Like a real story? Or this is a guy just telling a story? Or is this on Netflix? Is this on Spotify? Like, what is this? Is he telling the story of something that did happen? Or is this like fairy tale stuff?

[Amy]

It's the story of a guy. He wrote this story. And I think it's up to us, it's up to you to determine if it's real or not.

[Matt]

Okay, got it. So he took liberty to write a fiction thing that would make people be like, wait a minute, bro.

[David]

He tells you how it Came about. It comes about from his LSD experiences, huh? Yeah.

[Amy]

Now, this story is interesting because it's put on Reddit in chapters, and I think there's like 20 chapters, and he's putting them in different subreddit. Subreddit forums. So none of them.

[Matt]

It's not Reddit is just Twitter, but different.

[David]

Reddit is like, you got a place to talk about cars, you got a place to talk about horses, you got a place to talk about, you know, fruit gardens, whatever. Like, you know, things like that. For every possible thing you might be interested in, there is a subreddit. And this guy goes and. And, you know, posts a chunk of the story here, a chunk of the story there, and a chunk of the story here.

[Amy]

And people are like, following it out throughout a year or so.

[Matt]

Is this guy, like a famous guy or. No, he's only known from doing this.

[David]

No, he's. He's not even really known for him doing this, he's anonymous. The problem with the story, because I see some people saying Atmos as it's a fiction thing. Other people say it's a creepypasta thing. He.

[Amy]

Flatman says it's a fiction.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. In quotes. It connects to so much reality and including aspects of conspiracy that kind of weren't revealed until 2020. 2021. And. And this was written back in 2016. It's got.

[Matt]

This was.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Why is it coming out now?

[Amy]

It's been out for a long time.

[David]

It's been out for a long time. It's kind of like this, you know,

[Matt]

like the stuff he was just saying about MK Ultra and portals and whales. If they were there, they die. That he said all this in 2016.

[David]

2016, yeah.

[Amy]

Probably before. I mean, I assume this is.

[Matt]

Why are you finding it right now?

[David]

Well, we found it.

[Amy]

Found it last year.

[David]

It's really not a widely known thing at all. It's super obscure. It's. It's, you know, I guess you could call it niche.

[Matt]

Your T shirt is based on this. Yeah, that came out in 2016. You made a T shirt about it a year ago. And this guy's doing some crazy stuff when he's like, dropping this.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And now you guys are like, we should talk about this with more people.

[David]

Well, it's because it's one of my favorite pieces of media. I don't really know what to call it. The guy was previously an author.

[Matt]

Huh.

[David]

And was writing a book. He even goes on to talk about this later on that nobody really gave a shit about. Once he finally Finished it. And then he wrote this thing. So this guy's got some writing chops about him. So it's told really well. The pacing is really great. The storytelling, honestly, is fantastic. And. And it's just this thing where I guess I'll spoil a little bit of it. These things that he's telling you are experiences that he had that are effectively other people's lives.

[Matt]

Wait, like Quantum Leap, I'm not familiar with.

[David]

Is that a movie?

[Matt]

Quantum Leap was like the number one time travel show on USA, like in the 80s.

[David]

Okay.

[Matt]

And the dude, Sam, was he the main character, Sam or. No, his buddy was Sam. But he would wake up and he would be somebody in. Somewhere in the timeline, somewhere in a geographic location, and then that would be that show. And then he would do whatever he did with that, and then, boom, he'd wake up.

[David]

Oh, Sam Beckett. Somewhere else he.

[Matt]

He'd wake up. Like, somewhere else, he'd be somebody else. So you're saying this dude's taking acid and he's like, you don't ever have dreams like this where you're somebody in the. In the dream, but you're supposed to know who. Like, the other people are talking to you, like, you know, what's up.

[Amy]

It's gonna be. So let's listen to this. It's gonna be a lot of that. As we move through the stories. You're not gonna know right away because it's written so, like, nothing is. You're not going to have any visual cues, but when you pay attention to the story and be like, what the fuck is happening here? And then halfway through, you're like, whoa, this is crazy.

[Matt]

Guys not know Quantum Leap.

[David]

I do know Quantum Leap from one single episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. And it's a musical episode, and it's one of the greatest pieces of fucking Quantum Leap crushes. And he's in that. He makes a. A cameo. Okay, so here, we'll get back to this.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

This was usually without success and with great loss of life. Many of the soldiers and scientists were segment. Segmented, as often happens in a.

[Amy]

You can't put it up on your computer.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

So they ended up with people missing limbs cut in half, etc. What's interesting is that the people could live for quite some time despite segmentation. This is what led the Soviets to believe that their missing body parts still existed, albeit in some unknown place. So one of the leading theories of the time was interdimensionality. Quite mistaken. Dubai probably has the highest rate of free floating, non Interface incidents of any major metropolitan area in the world. In one incident, a large group of migrant workers was segmented in an underground facility. Perfect cross sectional segmentation along the frontal plane. You could see their lungs working, food being digested, blood pumping on the inside of the heart, everything. They lived for almost five months in this condition. Absolutely fascinating to see in person. There was also a group of school children who were very slightly segmented. Just ends of fingers and bits of the calves and such. Hardly fatal wounds. Yet they all died within two months. Some showed signs of intellectual mutation. There are no known flesh interfaces in Dubai.

[Matt]

Intellectual mutations.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

However, it is surmised that the architecture is actually based on interface geometry and carries some latent interface like power. Mass segmentations remain one of the most mysterious aspects of the interfaces. They seem to show that the interface do indeed concentrate on flesh, living up to their name. We look at Elizabeth Bathory as an example of pre LSD enlightenment. That is somebody seeming to attempt to build a flesh interface before the invention of lsd. How can this be explained? Perhaps she ingested some ergot or some other naturally occurring psychotropic chemical. Or perhaps her mind was simply attuned to whatever intellectual processes need to occur to invent a flesh interface. The Book of Revelations is also considered to be a description of a flesh interface, especially a description of New Jerusalem. My problem with this is that it's all speculative. It's like when modern psychologists diagnose historical figures. I'm uncomfortable with this level of speculation. I will always regard the first instance of a flesh interface to have occurred in Triblechna 1944. The geologic disturbances, partial tunnels, so called interdimensionality, and wealth of clearly segmented bodies leave no doubt of its existence. The Soviets have documented this. Basically, when you look at the stories of Elizabeth Bathory's behavior, it seems like she is trying to build a flesh interface. But it is known that in order to invent a flesh interface, one must be under the influence of LSD for extended periods. As LSD hadn't been invented during her life, it probably is just a coincidence. Still a tantalizing theory though. Obviously I can't define a flesh interface in terms of purpose or composition or mechanism. I can only list the various phenomena which are related to them. Chief among these is the creation of an incident zone wherein the objects are spontaneously segmented. That is, parts of the objects simply disappear, yet the objects continue to behave as if the missing parts are still present. Also you see complex tunnels created in the earth. These have been termed ant farms. In undersea interfaces you get chitinous cruciform organisms. These sui generis organisms are thought to be the result on evolutionary processes which took place in an environment other than Earth. This is speculation, but in this case I agree with it. Then there have been the giant metallic cylinders which appear and experience continuous spontaneous segmentation. These are usually at least 10 meters in diameter and get much larger and only occur in very large interference interfaces, I.e. portals. Beyond this, the phenomena are too various to mention and different for each interface. Many people think that a portal is simply a large flesh interface. This is true, A portal is a large flesh interface. But it is also more than that. A portal is, as the name implies, a way of sending objects between the portal's site and wherever the various locations that have been found beyond the portals are located. That is the so called alien sister cities. Portals are usually, but not always accompanied by the large fluctuating metallic cylinders. The largest above water portal that I know of occurred in Novaya Zemla and existed for several weeks before it was destroyed by the Russian so called Tsar Bomba. In this case, the metallic cylinders were miles high and covered with features rarely seen on other cylinders. Blinking lights, nodules, so called antenna. They took on a very artificial appearance, that is they seem to be constructed technology rather than naturally occurring phenomena. Are the cylinders themselves artifacts being sent through the portals, or are they phenomena created by the flesh interfaces in the way a mushroom cloud is created by a nuclear explosion? This is unclear. I wish I could show you guys the pictures of the Novaya Zemla cylinders. They truly were beautiful, rising miles into the clear Arctic sky like great alien towers, tinged blue by the vastness of the distance involved. Though it was certainly necessary to destroy them. And we owe the Soviets a great debt for their tireless efforts to collapse the interface. I sometimes wish they were still there. At least then there'd be something. Some evidence. In response to what the CIA had accomplished with their Antarctic station in Arcticus, the Soviets built a larger station in Novaya Zemla. In the Arctic. 30,000 prisoners and an exceptionally pure gas concentration created a flesh interface which went through all seven stages in less than 13 minutes and became a full fledged portal within a day. The typical fluctuating metallic cylinders were visible and within three days they were extending miles into the sky. The Soviets quickly realized that the portal was growing out of control. In previous instances they had simply bombed the site from the air. But in this case, the enormous cylinders and attendant incident zone extending into the edge of space prevented this as well as Missile strikes. There was also an exceptionally large lateral incident zone around the portal, with segmentation occurring miles out from the site. Alarmed by the zone's uncontrolled growth in the growing underground tunnels, AKA ant farms, the Soviets worked feverishly to construct a hydrogen bomb of unprecedented power, which could be detonated from outside the incident zone and still collapse the portal. The steady rate of growth in the incident zone provided them with an exact deadline, which they managed to meet with only two hours to spare. Any later and the bomb could not have been placed so as to collapse the interface. In short, the world came within two hours, being subjected to an uncontrolled flesh interface and perhaps the end of civilization as we know it.

[Matt]

Okay, even Atma's saying we gotta pause it.

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[David]

Okay, there's a lot of. There's a lot of.

[Matt]

There's a lot happening.

[David]

Atma didn't say that Atma was actually applauding.

[Amy]

Atma's a guy.

[David]

Atma's a guy who's applauding our self control.

[Matt]

So I talked to Atma on the phone.

[David]

She's a chick that was Atma's wife. Now, what do you think you're listening to so far?

[Matt]

Okay. A story about something that you have to, like, listen to for a long time till you understand what's going on. But where I'm losing it is like, the portal is. What is he calling it? A flesh what?

[David]

Flesh interface.

[Matt]

So how is a portal the same as a flesh interface? I'm guessing, like you guys talk about the Grays would be a flesh interface. Potentially. Right.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, suit.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That a spirit can get into. How is he saying that's the same as a portal? A portal is an opening that you can get from, like, point A to point B.

[Amy]

Think of a vagina.

[David]

Oh. Would you call that a flash interface?

[Matt]

But I wouldn't call it a portal.

[David]

No.

[Amy]

Stuff comes in and out of it.

[David]

Life put stuff in. Stuff comes out.

[Amy]

Yeah. Life comes out of that.

[David]

Yeah. Put like, forks and peanuts in there and mice and pine cones. Come out? Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

But something can't come through that end from some other place and come out this end, can it? I mean, technically, I guess, but the thing goes in from this end, makes a thing, then it comes out that end.

[David]

Well, that a portal doesn't have to be. So, you know, obviously two way. Like that's a very. Something goes in, something comes out. You think those two things are related?

[Matt]

Yeah, that's what a portal, like, if you like the book of Revelation, there was. Yeah, yeah. There was a door open in heaven and the voice said, come up here. There was a portal. There was. You know, I mean, what else would a portal be?

[David]

No, no, no. I don't want to answer these questions, but those are good questions. What about the segmentation thing? Are you picking up on what that is? No, because that's a little bit screwy. So basically what they're saying is, in the immediate, like ground zero of these flesh interfaces, these portals, right in the immediate area around these portals, a phenomenon is created where things will pass through an unperceivable field of sorts and suddenly become segmented, like cut into pieces. Half of this, these glasses are suddenly

[Matt]

gone, chopped off in the portal.

[David]

But if it's a living thing, when it passes through, it continues to operate as if the remaining, you know, the body part that is vanished.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. There's precedence for that in the Avengers movie, right? The guys that are like the wizards can open the portal and then the thing tries to come through the portal and then he closes it and it like chops off his arm.

[David]

Similar to that, except as if his arm was still there. Like he wouldn't. He would still be. And also the docked off section.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David]

You would still see blood running. There would be no blood spilling.

[Matt]

That happens in that movie, doesn't it? The arm is like twitching over there, but the guy's like, ah. He just.

[David]

I thought that was more of like a spasming thing, but that. Yeah, that is true. That does happen.

[Matt]

So it's like that. He's saying it's like that.

[David]

Similar. We're gonna visit this concept a lot throughout this.

[Matt]

And one of the silos or whatever. What's it called?

[David]

That's an interesting thing. Yeah.

[Matt]

What's that? They popped up and they were so top tall that normally they just bomb them, but they can't bomb them. Like, what's that situation?

[David]

I love the language he used, by the way, where he said that this cylinder was. I forgot what he said is where

[Amy]

they're keeping the whales. Is this what he's talking about.

[David]

No, no, no. But he's saying, like, these cylinders, they'll rise up out of the Earth. These. These metallic spheres. I'm sorry, Cylinders will rise up out of the Earth, varying sizes. And this one was so massive in its size scale that it was tinted blue with the vastness of the distance. And I was like, he uses these writing mechanisms that I'm a huge fan of. His descriptives are fantastic. And that's one of those that sticks with me. This thing is so big that it scales off into the distance and it's colored blue. You know when something's so far away that it's got a bluish hue to it? It looks like it's fading.

[Matt]

Yeah. Based on the curvature of the Earth,

[David]

I don't know if that's a thing. So.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

I mean, right now, there's no explanation for these elements, but those are the elements that we're dealing with so far. The segmentation that happens in the immediate area of the portal, the flesh interface, this portal being described as a flesh interface is, you know, fascinating, but we don't have an answer for that yet. And the cylinders as well. To the extent that the Soviets bombed one that was so big, it could have created an extinction level event for humanity.

[Matt]

So the Soviets are not liking this. They don't know exactly what's happening.

[David]

I don't think anybody's liking.

[Amy]

I think they're all, like, screwing around with it. But, yeah, they're not.

[Matt]

So it's like CERN vibes. This is like CERN vibes. Like something's happening, but sort of.

[David]

Sort of. I mean, that's a good place to start looking. Yeah, like a cern. The scale of it. But the scale of it is such that it transcends, you know, country borders, nation borders. This is like a all hands on deck type of situation. For some of the instances that emerge out of this phenomenon to the extent where, like, they're like, fuck, yeah, Soviets, high five. Especially given the.

[Matt]

Everybody's kind of on the same team. They don't like it.

[David]

Like, yeah, maybe get rid of that because it's fucking huge. ATLA says, I love this breakdown so much. If you don't finish, I'm gonna kill everyone in Florida.

[Amy]

You can go to Blue Letter Bible first.

[David]

Yeah, please stop there first. This is just really, really. I. I love this, this. This story we're gonna find as we're listening to this. It connects to so much of what we explore here on this show, which I think I saw Sparrow before asked an astute question. How likely is it that this dude just whipped this up and is now sitting back watching retards everywhere believe that it's real? Highly likely, Sparrow.

[Matt]

But for him to come up with

[David]

this kind of story is fucking insane.

[Matt]

Kind of rad. Whether it's real or fake or whatever, it's just the fact that he came up with it.

[Amy]

As we go on, you'll see, like, accurately ties in science, the Bible. It's crazy history, all kinds of.

[Matt]

I think it'd be fun to tell a, like, fiction story based on the Bible that just shows like, a rad story of a dude doing similar stuff, like the miracles and signs and wonders you see in the Bible. Now it's a fiction story. It's like a story you made up, but it would just provoke people's imagination a little bit. Yeah, man. Like, wait a minute.

[David]

Well, that's the problem with, like, even this in particular. Like, the writing style and the narrator are incredibly digestible. They make this a pleasant experience. I try to listen to the Bible on audio, and it's got a dude speaking in like, a fancy old English accent.

[Matt]

I'm like, why is Alexander wiers be. That's rough.

[David]

That's the guy that James like, dude, don't do that. Like, honestly, I want to find this guy. Like, can you narrate the fucking. The Bible, dog.

[Matt]

An hour.

[David]

That's fine. We're going to be here for a while. I paid for it.

[Matt]

I'll pay you back.

[David]

I sent it. No, that was a thing that you did. Because she's being nice. Thank you.

[Matt]

How much was it?

[David]

2895. Holy shit, dude. For this economy, you do order in pizza every day. I don't. And I'm like. I'm trying to be good, okay? I haven't eaten trash in mad long.

[Matt]

I can't lose a. I'll give you cash.

[Amy]

Pay up, buddy.

[David]

Pay buttercup. And we can open this, too. This is for closed. We've been closed. Johnny Cash reading the Bible. That's a good one. Yeah. I hear good things from Sam Tripley. He does that. Johnny Cash reading the Bible.

[Matt]

No, no.

[David]

Oh, it's over already. Thank God.

[Matt]

Can you open that?

[David]

All the way. Try to get a breeze in here.

[Matt]

Sweaty. And gas.

[David]

It's hot. Dude, I'm not gassy. I haven't made farts.

[Matt]

I know.

[David]

It could be the weight. I haven't lost any. A single pound. Hi. Don't talk to the people. Right.

[Amy]

Mason, you. You can't do that.

[David]

Mason, come on. Don't make that. Don't make that disrespectful noise. This is a very professional. And don't get him started. Serious operation started. Goodbye. Whoa, whoa.

[Amy]

That's like you're in a mood.

[Matt]

It really is. You usually reserve that for Nancy.

[David]

I'm all hot. Sport drink. All right. A lot of sport drinks. By the way. That breeze is nice. I learned last night, like don't overdo the sport drink because I have a roller coaster of dreams. Oh, this will come into. That's a fascinating. You know what? It's a fan interpretation of the. Oh, and you see this sort of art style psychedelic picture like that in

[Matt]

Mexico when I was like 19 of some demonic stuff, like very similar to that. I was going deep into Mexico because at the border the coronas are like a buck. You go a couple blocks more, they're like 75 cents. We got so far down into Mexico, they're like 25 cent Coronas.

[David]

Damn.

[Matt]

And weird stuff in the bars, dude.

[David]

Well, what's interesting about that is that is a style that's emulated by a lot of people who do like a psychedelic inspired drawing. And well, as we listen to this story, you'll see why that image is kind of a super relevant. It's interesting that people are having this experience.

[Matt]

Yes, ma'.

[David]

Am. Have you done lsd?

[Matt]

Once or twice.

[David]

You didn't see any of that?

[Matt]

Not exactly like that. I used to see like weird purple, gray, white. I don't know, like shapes, almost like pyramid type shape structures. Like ancient structures that. Maybe that's why I like the ancient structures, man. But made out of like a lot of different stuff.

[David]

That's interesting. Geometry. A lot of geometry.

[Matt]

A lot of geometry.

[David]

A lot of like that comes into this.

[Matt]

Seeing sounds and like hearing colors.

[Amy]

That's the synesthesia that I was talking about.

[David]

Yeah, it's interesting because it's almost a perception. And this is just something I'm getting, you know, spoiler alert. This element comes on later on. But that's a way of perceiving extra dimensional, you know, I guess, you know, what would you call that experience or something like that? Like if we're in three dimensions plus time and there are indeed other dimensions. When it goes on to talk about some people having a gene that allows them to experience more than three dimensions and that evolutionarily speaking, it's never removed from us because it's harmless. So it does exist in some people. It doesn't work itself out. And when they explain.

[Amy]

Well, that's why DMT is like naturally occurring in your body.

[Matt]

I didn't know anything back then, but I had a feeling I was seeing something that was there. I never had a feeling that I was like, oh, I'm just hallucinating and seeing things. I always was like, dude, I'm. That thing is there. I don't know how to explain it, but it's there.

[David]

That's the still there.

[Amy]

Behind the map.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David]

Can you get us LSD for BroGrow? Oh my God, stop it now. If we get anything, we'll get everybody. So that way. Well, everybody at Bro Grove will do salvia simultaneously and for three minutes. We'll all lose our.

[Matt]

I don't like the sound of that.

[David]

How crazy would that be?

[Matt]

No boy was explaining it. He's like, yeah, you acid or mushrooms? And it just feels like, you know, like you know, you're on planet Earth and you know who you are.

[David]

Salvia nuts.

[Matt]

He's like, yo, Salvia, you might just be a cereal box floating through space. You have no clue what's going on.

[David]

Salvia. I was on the pages of a book. Basically. Like I was in a flat two dimensional realm. And it was made up of pharaoh faces, which is a little bit tricky to explain. But.

[Amy]

Guys, no drugs at Bohemian Grove.

[David]

Do drugs at Bohemian Grove. Apparently people last Bohemian Grove didn't get that memo. Okay, I was just kidding.

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[David]

All right, well, she's like. Unless you're into it.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Before the portal was collapsed, however, the Soviets gained firsthand knowledge of one of the so called sister cities. In other words, somebody had gone into the portal and come back.

[Matt]

That was the end.

[David]

That's the end of that one.

[Matt]

We stopped at a weird time.

[David]

Yeah, we did. My fault.

[Matt]

Okay, so we already kind of did the.

[Amy]

The breakdown of that.

[David]

So the end of that is just that these flesh interfaces, clearly, given the context of it being significant, that the Soviets got a glimpse of what's on the other side. It insinuates that like nobody was having success with these things because nobody was coming back. Yeah, you're going into these Portals, but not coming back. Not coming back.

[Matt]

Yeah, but maybe you were on the other side. Like you could come back. We're like, bro, I'm not going back.

[David]

That is not the, the case. Spoiler alert. All right. Okay.

[Matt]

I looked up for one second. Just tell Idaho Hermit. No, I looked up for one second.

[David]

What do you say? What did Idaho.

[Amy]

I have a ton of ass that had been sitting on. No.

[David]

That's so funny. You've been sitting on it for years. That's what you do with psychedelics. Yeah. You just sit out of it for a while.

[Amy]

Have you learned nothing from this show?

[Matt]

Yeah. Don't even have those around you burn them.

[David]

I mean, the way that I, I always say with the show is like, I don't know where you are.

[Amy]

It's not beans and rice.

[David]

What's not beans and rice stacked away like a prepper. You never know. Hits the fan. You might want to have an experience, I guess if you're, if you got no electricity. All right, let's, let's go.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

I've always found Lisa's dreams to be a good starting place when trying to understand the psychological effects of travel. Lisa was a nine year old girl sent through the Groom lake interface in 1975. The Groom Lake interface connects to the so called sister city technically persistent locusts known as the hanging temples. She stayed there for five days of normal time, but only 48 seconds of beyond time.

[David]

That time dilation. Yeah.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Upon returning, she did not recall anything beyond becoming drowsy for a moment. She slept well that night and in the morning she recounted a dream to the doctor doctors before dying later in the day. A direct transcript of the audio from her interview. It was spring and it had been raining all day, but the rain stopped just before it was going to be sunset. So all the clouds were purpley and the sky was really orange and the grass was all wet with rain. And there were fireflies all around, like all in the sky, way up in the sky, big ones. And me and my grandma went out to these hills way out past the edge of town and under the hills there are people sleeping. Not in caves. They were buried under the hills.

[Amy]

Don't the fireflies play a little bit of a part toward the end? Huh?

[David]

I don't know if she's describing fireflies. She's saying big ones, way high up in the sky. This is from the point of view of a nine year old, I believe they said. So I'm not too sure of the language that she's using to describe these things. Right now she's talking about people sleeping, but not in caves under the hills. She's describing dead people. I'm not too sure. You're right over there. Everything okay?

[Matt]

Yeah. Sorry about that.

[David]

No, it's okay. Oh, what happened? She's gonna leave.

[Matt]

Yeah, she can't just leave and then we get a pizza delivery and we're on the show.

[David]

Damn. So now she's gonna make Mason stay.

[Matt]

Oh, she's gonna go pick it up.

[David]

Oh, geez. She just turned her into a slave.

[Matt]

She's a sweet kid, dude.

[David]

Mason crushes.

[Matt]

Just gave her a lot of cash, too. She's a good, excited.

[David]

Oh, okay.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

All right.

[Matt]

Well, it's got a big weekend planned,

[David]

so I was going to say I'm

[Amy]

going to go see what I can do.

[David]

I'll be back.

[Matt]

You're the best.

[David]

Thanks, Mason. So just to catch you up, because you were, you know, preoccupied with. No, that's okay.

[Matt]

Well, I just want.

[David]

You can have that get effed up.

[Matt]

It's a big thing. So, sister cities. We got to touch on this dude.

[Amy]

Or. Or.

[Matt]

No, go ahead.

[David]

No, I mean, it's. It's a fair question, but.

[Matt]

So that's just talking about another city, like in another realm that's just basically overlapped with this realm.

[David]

Yeah, sister cities are, I believe, or this kid is. Is describing it. So right now what they're saying is there's a nine year old who was successfully sent in and came back. And the narrator finds that the most effective, I don't know, mode of communication about this other place she went to is the girl describing her dreams. And so I guess, you know, what we're dealing with is it's not really dreams. These are, like foggy recollections of being on the other side of this flesh. In her face.

[Matt]

It's like talking to Nancy.

[David]

Yes, exactly. Although I think if we sent Nancy through because she's good at lucid dreaming, I think she would have her wits about her. She'd be able to, like, get details.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[David]

I don't know if she'd share him with us, though. She seems to be really greedy with the details of these happenings.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[David]

And so right now, what she's describing is fireflies, but she's describing them as being really far off in the sky and big ones, what we would call stars, kind of seems like that. Although maybe they got a different thing going on in this sister city with stars. And now she's describing people sleeping, but not in caves under a hill. So that's where we left off or asleep.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

But they were hugging each other. Families like moms and dads and little kids, it would be easy to say the Soviets discovered the secrets of survivable travel.

[David]

Now, whatever happens there, we do have like this cut in that. I noticed that. But to me, before it cut there and this jump happened, she was describing dead people holding each other, families holding each other. So some sort of event in this place that she had been to took.

[Matt]

You know, she's in the place of the dead. Or those people are dealing with the fact that they have dead loved ones.

[David]

It seems like her recollection of being in this sister city, as much as I'm gathering here, is one of, I don't know, it seems like explosions in the sky she's describing as fireflies and families huddled together, sleeping.

[Amy]

It's like a nuclear event almost.

[David]

Could be, could be a nuclear event, could be some sort of a war happening. So. And I guess some of this could be timelines, you know, branches. I don't really like the multiverse shit. I think it's gay. But it seems like that's a plot device that's being used here. This could be an alternate timeline, you know, similar Earth situation, war, dead people. And this little girl's just using what she knows to describe it.

[Matt]

Or it's our reality, but she's just in another time period.

[David]

Could be that there's a lot of time jumping, but he kind of lays that out well, you know, let that happen later on. But he lays out exactly what it is he's telling. That's all I'll say for now.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Because they were more ruthless, more willing to sacrifice innocent lives.

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[Narrator/Storyteller]

But there was really no lack of ruthlessness on the part of the CIA. It's really just a matter of approach. The Soviets approached the mystery of the flesh interfaces the same way they approach their space program. Program. The first humans in space, the so called lost cosmonauts who were never officially acknowledged, were just ordinary people culled from the gulags with no more control over their mission than Laika the dog. The Americans, on the other hand, started with professional men, usually from the military. Likewise, when it was discovered that objects and even animals which entered the flesh interfaces occasionally returned unharmed, the Americans began training men to enter the interfaces. Because they culled their men from certain military ranks, they were all of similar ages. The Soviets, however, used prisoners who had a much wider age range. And so they were able to discover the essential correlation. The younger the person was, the more likely they were to survive travel, the longer they would survive. After travel, they discovered that 20 somethings were much more likely to survive, albeit in a horribly altered state, than older people. They discovered that people in their early 20s fared better than those in their late 20s. Teenagers fared even better. So despite all moral compunction, it was really all a matter of time before they sent. A child always comes back to. It was only after the first round of children went through that they gained any idea of what was on the other side. Until we found the village, we had suspected that the detectors were just.

[David]

Okay, so there's been a jump here, that, that part is over. So I guess we could discuss it. So what they're describing is them trying to interact with this phenomenon, the flesh interface, and finding, like he said, the younger the subject who's pushed through, the more likely they were going to come back and be able to recollect anything. The older they were, you know, the likelihood of them returning drops significantly. And in their 20s and 30s, it seems like they come back and they will die pretty rapidly, but not before displaying significant neurological plus also some physical phenomenon. No rhyme or reason, just chaos. Their mind is chaos, their body's up, they're just like.

[Matt]

So somewhere earlier it talked about the time was different on the other side.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And so what is it? Is the track because it's better, the young people do better? Is it because the, the travel like ages you? Is that, is that why? Because it's.

[Amy]

I don't know, some of these people just die when they come back. Like they, they do. Meaning they do better. Meaning they don't come back dead.

[David]

Right. And they're young, they have their mind. Yeah.

[Matt]

So is it, so is it just they don't aging you and that's why they. Well, no, maybe not. Like it doesn't look like it aged you. Could be because if you're younger, you do okay. It's like, well, you got 100 years, you know.

[David]

Right.

[Matt]

So if it ages you 80 years, you're still okay.

[David]

If that's the case, they're as far as I can tell through this whole thing, there's no actual tells of them aging significantly. So, you know, they likened it to the space program. The Americans would use military men and send them into space while the Soviets are. They're using whatever. They're just sending dudes from the gulag into space. They don't have a moral hurdle to overcome when it comes to this experimentation. So it seems that the Soviets were the first ones to be like, all right, well, the younger they get, the better it is. Send the kids. And then that's when they actually started to get any sort of descriptive as to what's going on in these.

[Matt]

And we don't have any rhyme or reason yet as to like, okay, they leave. And then how do we know when they're coming back? Or like, what. What happened? They just appear back.

[David]

They're just. Yeah, it's not really been described so far, but that is a wonky element and that's going to happen later on. So right now, these guys that we're about to listen to, they're on a military excursion. They've been sent out to. Seems to be a South Asian island. And they have some device.

[Matt]

Shout out Nancy.

[David]

Shout out to Nancy. They have some device. I think this is actually great because I wish I had somebody to guide this as I'm listening to it. They have a device that they've not been made privy to the nature of.

[Amy]

So we about. We're like 15 minutes into this, 15 jumps right here.

[Matt]

This is the end of the one story. We're jumping into another.

[David]

Now we got these military guys, South Asian island, armed with a device they don't understand the nature of. They've just been told.

[Amy]

Chapter three, Field Encounters and Humans.

[Matt]

It's kind of like the movie, the creator. It's kind of like that. Kind of has the vibes like that.

[David]

Not familiar with that.

[Amy]

Yes. I'll just agree with you.

[Matt]

You guys would like, like that.

[David]

What. What year is that from?

[Matt]

Recent. Dude, it was Netflix. When you're just doom scrolling the Netflix and then you just hit the thing, whatever the creator.

[David]

Is it about a black guy?

[Matt]

No. Yeah, actually, I think the main guy. Yeah, it is.

[David]

It is. This was. I saw this and it just had Yakub written all over it.

[Matt]

You didn't. Did you watch it?

[David]

No, no.

[Matt]

It crushes. But it's gonna make you like love AI and thinks AI is like a person. That's the whole context behind it.

[Amy]

The most beautiful, terribly written movie I've ever seen in maybe ever.

[Matt]

No, this Movie crushes, bro. You guys like it? It's designed to make people love AI and think it's human.

[David]

I'm really. I have a hard time watching anything if the acting isn't. You know what really ruined it for me? We'll get back to this in a second. But, like, from. No, no, it. Game of Thrones.

[Amy]

Oh, yeah.

[David]

The acting was so phenomenal in Game of Thrones. Breaking Bad was another one.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[David]

I cannot subject myself, dude. I can't.

[Matt]

No, no. The creator's good act. It's like a classy movie. It's not a trashy, like, oh, this is low level, low budget. It's good, dude.

[David]

All right, well, maybe. Maybe I'll check it out. I have to watch, but it's like

[Matt]

Asian Island Begonia vibes.

[Amy]

Watch Begonia.

[David]

Gotta watch Begonia first, and then I'll watch this. Okay, let's get back to it. So remember, military excursion, South Asian island ops.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Just toys given to us by the CIA guys to reassure us. Nobody trusted the spooks. Three days through the jungle and these detectors had not detected a fucking thing.

[Matt]

Whoa.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

But before we even saw the first hut, the needles on the detectors started moving in unison. If they were phony toys, it was a cool little special effect. The needle swayed back and forth and all the little metal boxes let out this spooky sound. All in unison, like a school choir. Very weird. We turned them off as instructed. We treated every Vietnamese as combatants and killed them all. There wasn't any resistance, though. A few had weapons, but most were unarmed. None fought back. They didn't even run. They were just sitting around lazing in the sun. And we shot them where we found them. Grim work and very weird. That probably spooked us out more than the detectors. It was like they were waiting to die. After clearing the village, we didn't know what to do, so we turned on one of the detectors and wandered around to see what was up. The detector started going nuts all around one of the bigger huts in the middle of the village. We had already cleared it, but we went in again. There was a big altar inside with candles and Buddhas and gold signs with dink writing and shit. We figured that maybe one of the Buddhist statues was setting the detectors off. But no. The hut was very hot and muggy, even by the incredibly humid standards of Vietnam. It was incredibly, incredibly humid in there. Even the Buddha statues were sweating. Their faces were literally coated with drops of moisture. Everybody noticed that there was something weird going with the air. There's something off about the Pressure. So we just tossed everything, picked all the shit up and tossed it out the hut. Sure enough, we picked up the big platform that held the altar. There was something under was a pit made of flesh, maybe 5ft across and going down about 20ft before curving out of sight. When I say made of flesh, I mean it looked like the inside of somebody's throat. Wet, reddish, flesh looking stuff. We had heard of them building tunnels, but this was. We really couldn't even understand what we were looking at.

[Amy]

Who was they?

[Narrator/Storyteller]

I was just breathing. The flesh kind of rippled and this hot air came out and it felt and smelled like somebody breathing right on your face. Enough to make you sick. They told us we would know it when we saw it. Well, we saw it and we knowed it. We radioed in the coordinates and got the fuck out of there. Encasement was certainly not something.

[David]

Alright, so that's the end of that one. That's real fun. I like the way this all breaks, this like crescendo and it doesn't, it doesn't stop. It's such a gradual uptick in, in Revelation, this thing that's revealed to you and then another thing is revealed to you.

[Amy]

I thought for some reason this was

[David]

the other story in Vietnam, but now that's not Vietnam. I believe that's one of the islands in Japan. Uh huh. Your phone's ringing.

[Matt]

No, I'm on show.

[David]

Okay.

[Matt]

I'm not getting it. Got respect for the show.

[David]

Well, let me, let's see what, what Matt thinks about that.

[Matt]

Well, no, I just think like the handheld detectors that like measure spirit. That's intriguing because John G. Lake used to talk about that when he used to heal people. He used to say if we had a. If we had a device that could measure spirit, you would see that the spirit, like his, his concept of like laying hands was that. Yeah, like the spirit of the living God inside you was actually going through. I believe this too. Like people are having a rough time. You guys wouldn't know, but like in the shop, sometimes I'll just put my hand on them because I do believe that too. Like the Holy Spirit lives inside you and it's a tangible presence because like Paul, they used to take handkerchiefs and aprons off Paul.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Put on people and they'd be healed or demons would leave them. There's other examples, like Peter's shadow. Like you could be saturated with the presence of God. But he. Anyway, he always said like, if you could measure spirit, if we had a device that could measure spirit, it would Be tangible and you could measure that the spirit was like going from one person to another. It's kind of like they have those kind of devices.

[David]

I'm almost certain we've done that at some point. Had a device that measures spirit. Probably just never came out to.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[David]

The public for any reason. And then was eventually labeled pseudoscience or whatever.

[Matt]

But I think the spirit realm shows

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[David]

You should lay hands on Raven right now. No, I'm perfectly fine.

[Matt]

Why? You think something's wrong with him?

[David]

Yeah, I think he's not even gassy today. No, no, I don't have.

[Matt]

Why do people say that about you then?

[David]

No, Nancy just wants. Because she knows that I find it uncomfortable when people touch me. No, we don't have to touch them.

[Matt]

How about the statues sweating and putting off the detectors? Dude. Because that's the thing too, is like the idols throughout scripture, where it's like, oh, they're just dumb idols, but like, Heiser talks about how, like. Yeah, but they're representative of something else. And those things can take power in those things. So what if, like the spirit. Because like, this is just a. Ultimately, this is just a flesh.

[David]

Don't shake it around like that.

[Matt]

It's just a flesh suit. It's.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

There's a.

[Matt]

The real me is a spirit inside me.

[Amy]

Sure.

[Matt]

Right. So like the same thing. Can those. Can those entities take up place in those Buddhas and that's why they're setting off the detectors? But then like Panda said. I mean, I looked up for like one second. Okay, you're doing good.

[David]

You're doing. You're doing fine. You can look up at the thing.

[Matt]

It is a vagina. That is what we looked at was that the tunnel was a vagina.

[Amy]

Yeah, that's what it's like.

[Matt]

It's like birthing these things right there in the. In that hut.

[Amy]

I don't know how these things show up. If they're showing up the flesh interfaces. Like, maybe he gets into. I don't remember how they show up or if they find Them and then just start experimenting.

[David]

Well, I think it's. That's an interesting angle. The idea that the idol sweating was. But I think it actually had to do with the humidity that's coming. You ever been, like, around something metal when it's humid out, especially if it's early in the morning?

[Matt]

Condensation?

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

Is it weird when he's like, positive to me, he's like, you're doing great.

[David]

Well, when you draw attention to it, it makes you want to stop.

[Matt]

And nobody likes it, though. We want that to stop.

[David]

No, I'm. I'm just trying to get through this. Okay, so you're doing great.

[Matt]

You're doing great.

[David]

I think that.

[Amy]

So awkward.

[Matt]

I think somebody sent me Trump and Melania. They hold hands in the picture and then they were like, pulling the hands apart and they're like you and Raven on a podcast.

[David]

But who's Melania?

[Amy]

Which one's Melania?

[David]

No, I don't want to. I don't want to. So to me, it is interesting that

[Amy]

I think David's Melania.

[David]

I don't want to be Melania. I think it's interesting that the.

[Amy]

I don't want to be a girl.

[David]

The detect. I don't want to be a girl. The detectors detected it at all. Because I'm actually trying to go through my mind like the. The Rolodex of listening to this 10 hour thing twice in a row now. This will be the third time, and I can't give a good reason necessarily. I mean, imagine maybe there's some radioactive. Could be just Geiger counters. Said it let out a song. Like a sound. Like a choir. A choir of children.

[Amy]

Like a. So a singing?

[David]

Yeah, like that kind of.

[Amy]

There's a frequency to this thing.

[David]

Well, that's just a. A Geiger counter does like a click is another one. It just sounds to me like an alarm, like a howling alarm. But I'm wondering, what about the flesh interface? It's probably just radioactive. The presence of radioactive material or something like that. But yeah, it's very spooky that everybody was just laying around waiting to die.

[Matt]

That part's weird. Yeah, we didn't even.

[David]

Yeah, we didn't touch on that. He said it was walking by.

[Amy]

Killing him.

[David]

Yeah, he said it was grim work. They were told to treat the Viet Cong or the Vietnamese. I don't know. It's necessary. The Viet Cong is just Vietnamese hut dwellers as combatants.

[Matt]

So are you picturing those as, like, normal people? They're just alive? Are they like zombie people now?

[David]

He described them as just chilling, just normal people. And they just said like they were waiting to die.

[Amy]

They. Some. Some of them had weapons, but they're just sitting there, not really fighting back.

[Matt]

They were just ready. They were like, go ahead and take us out, whatever happened there.

[Amy]

Yeah, they're like, we're done. We're just like.

[David]

They were cool with it.

[Amy]

No.

[David]

And they didn't resist. They didn't run. They were getting killed around. He said it was a massacre. He said it was grim work. And he said it was the creepiest part of the whole thing.

[Matt]

Strange.

[David]

Not even the flesh interface was as creepy as the fact that these people were sitting around waiting to die. Yeah, very interesting. All right, so we've shifted here. I don't know what this one is going to be. Let's get into it.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Thing we were expecting.

[David]

Oh, I know what this is.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

It really changed our whole perspective on what exactly was occurring. We thought that the flesh interfaces were just like pipes that went from one location to another, perhaps extra dimensionally or by some other magic. But when the first subject came back encased, we realized that. Well, I'm not sure what we realized. We realized for the thousandth time in our dealings with the flesh interfaces that we were dealing with something really beyond us. That's why I called it magic. They were so far beyond our understanding, it was basically like meddling with some kind of black magic. The first subject to come back encased was an 8 year old girl we had named.

[David]

All right, here, we'll take a little breather for a second. Let's try to clear off. So we have. Thank you, Mason. You're the best.

[Amy]

Pizza delivery guys.

[Matt]

Wait, can we just put the table right here? Do we have. Where's this. Where's the full.

[David]

Oh, we do have a folding table or the cart. Whatever you want to do.

[Matt]

The best.

[David]

I know, I know.

[Matt]

You literally are the best.

[David]

We should make Mason listen to this. How fun would that be? Not fun, Mother horse eyes. What precisely?

[Amy]

Nothing. No, it wouldn't be a good idea.

[Matt]

Wait, can you grab us the table? It's like.

[David]

It's like a folding table. Do you know where that went top? The folding desk. I'll vamp for a little bit. So, Matt, have you heard what they're talking about so far?

[Matt]

You're gonna have to refresh me. As soon as I heard the door.

[David]

As soon as you heard the pizza, that was it. So they're basically saying that somebody came back from the flesh interface encased. Oh, why. Why was that thing up on the Screen. I know those things.

[Matt]

Nancy using.

[David]

What was that dance? Oh, you're saying that's what Mason sounds like? No, no, that's what I assume the choir voices sound like for some reason. A bunch of them going on. That's kind of what the vibe that I got. All right, perfect. Thank you.

[Matt]

Can you give us trays? If you care.

[David]

Oh, the little metal trays. Damn. We're just like. This is such a wonderful experience.

[Matt]

Can I just clear this or no?

[David]

Yeah, I think this off.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Yeah.

[David]

Let's move some stuff.

[Matt]

Stuff around.

[David]

You should apologize to Mason for calling her a.

[Amy]

Somebody bought us some Bibles.

[David]

We're not supposed to open them up on the show.

[Amy]

We're not supposed to open or mention them, but I wanted to say thank you. You know who you are.

[David]

Thank you for the Bible pieces right there.

[Matt]

Yeah. You're doing great, though.

[David]

No, I don't have to apologize to Mason. She's been calling me fat for a while now.

[Amy]

She's calling me a puta since the third grade.

[David]

I never called you fat yet. But you called me a. Well, that's mostly because of your behavior. What? What did I do?

[Amy]

Very cool. All right.

[David]

You know what you've done. I actually am really digging the black olives and sausage. That's crazy.

[Matt]

Get it near him. Yeah, he needs it.

[David]

All right. I'll just have this whole thing. Thank you.

[Amy]

Incredible. I'm not surprised to kill this guy.

[David]

No, don't say that, Nance.

[Matt]

Thank you for this food, Lord.

[David]

Amen. Amen. You're welcome. Oh, yeah, dude.

[Matt]

You are the best. We appreciate you a lot.

[David]

Can you put this back on that table over.

[Matt]

You have to put it on mute so it doesn't hear the chomping or.

[David]

Thank you. No, no, it's fine. Chomp away.

[Matt]

Don't want to get yelled at.

[David]

Imagine I dropped it on your head.

[Amy]

Yeah, we'll meet.

[David]

We can put it on. It is crazy. I. I've been. I go to the gym five days a week, and I've not lost a single pound. I know. I can tell. I can tell because I step on the scale, I'm like, what the fuck is going on? I don't eat pizza. That's why I know what size she eats. Lunchables.

[Amy]

I don't know.

[David]

I didn't know what size to get. People don't know that. Really comes in here.

[Matt]

Sweet to do that with little tiny

[David]

cube cheese and, like, pepperonis.

[Matt]

Peanut butter, peanut butter, carrots, a little baby one.

[David]

It's literally the stuff that I pack for like my son's lunch. Yeah, I used to. Now he's 10. I don't do that.

[Matt]

When they go out to eat, she gets Mac and cheese or chicken nuggets

[David]

or only cheese quesadillas. Cheese case. That's just cheese and bread.

[Matt]

Baby food.

[David]

Only cheese. So that's basically pizza. No, it's not.

[Amy]

Yeah, that's pizza.

[David]

Well, I guess there's no sauce involved. The white pizza. I'm like, no, I don't do the white pizza. All right, Wait. One more favor, Mason. On the metal table there's a skinny roll of paper towels. It's almost empty. You bring that? Wow.

[Amy]

Thank you so much. Service.

[David]

This is also top class content.

[Amy]

Yes. All right, start up. Start it up.

[David]

David, no. You're the best. Thanks, Mason. Anybody need. Go ahead, put your hand in front of that. Your bird claw. Go ahead. Yeah. Show people how those work. Have we.

[Matt]

Have we determined what she's going to be dressed up as for Bro girl?

[David]

I think a blue avian. Don't do that. What was that? A blue Boobs and butt. No, don't do boobs and butt avian.

[Matt]

That's inappropriate.

[David]

Me. That. Who taught you that look? No, look at me. Matt, do you know Milk? Milk, Lemonade. Round the corner. Fudge.

[Matt]

She did not.

[David]

She taught me.

[Amy]

Yeah, she did. Okay, we have to start.

[Matt]

We have to start.

[David]

All right. Okay.

[Matt]

Thanks, buddy. I appreciate it a lot.

[David]

So some of the people, the subjects are coming back encased in what? Well, then that's all we'll get there.

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[David]

Oh, you didn't bring this on the thing you.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

This was done by the record. The first subject to come back encased was an 8 year old girl we had named Jingles. We started naming the kids dog names to try to depersonalize them, to assuage the guilt. This was done by the recommendation of the CIA psychiatrist, but it did not work very well. We all still felt like shit. But what choice did we have? Could we just ignore the flesh interfaces and not study them? Perhaps. But you must realize that The Soviets were also studying them. That changed the whole equation. If they. Well, the ethical issues have been debated to death. What's done is done. We dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. We gave those blankets to the Indians. We sent those kids through those portals. Now it's all just a part of history. Anyways. We sent Jingles into the flesh interface and an object returned two minutes later, which is a pretty long time for an interface. It was a large organic sac lined with veins, vaguely resembling a human lung, about 4ft long. We X rayed it and sawed the skeleton inside and cut it open. Sure enough, Jingles was inside, naked and covered with blood, with no hair on her head. There was an umbilical cord attached to her belly button which was attached to some sort of placenta. We had a problem with the surgeons trying to harm her. It was later realized that her blood, its blood, the blood from the sac, had high concentrations of an exotic LSD analog. It was getting absorbed through the skin. The placenta was like an LSD factory pumping out millions of doses. This particular blend made people pretty violent, so we had to put on containment suits. Jingle's skin was flawless, like newborns. No wrinkles on the back of her neck, no wrinkles on her palms, except the major ones. She had the form of an eight year old girl, but seemed a lot newer. We did MRIs on her bone plates and found that they were highly underdeveloped, as if she was a newborn. We wondered is this really Jingles or some kind of clone? What sort of apparatus could have possibly produced this clone? And why? After a day of observation, she awoke. We weren't sure if her mind was still there. Perhaps she had been wiped clean. So we waited, asking her questions. At first her behavior was like that of an infant, just smiling and gurgling and clasping her hands. It was pretty eerie seeing that kind of behavior from an eight year old girl. Really, it was pretty eerie looking at her at all. Her skin was so pure and glowing. She looked like an absolute angel. I we. Well anyways, after a while she started babbling, saying little phrases. In a matter of hours she seemed to progress through the various stages of development, her sentence structure and awareness becoming more and more sophisticated. As soon as she could understand sentences, we started questioning her again. Who was she? She said her name. She knew her past. This wasn't just a blank clone. This may or may not have been the original girl. But she seemed to have the same mind as the original. So then we asked her the question that we wanted to know. A Question that had plagued us for years. The question that had led us in the face of all humanity and morality to send a child into a living apparatus of death. What did you see? What's on the other side? Her expression grew thoughtful. She was such a thoughtful, bright girl. We chose her for her intelligence. So young and bright. And we just threw her. Anyways. She thought about the question. And it seemed then that we would finally get an answer. A real answer. I remember the sense of anticipation in the room. It was like nothing I've ever felt before or since. Remember I quit the program that day. I was never able to question another subject. Anyways, she said to us inside the chamber, I started to feel drowsy. Then everything changed. And I knew what I saw. I had seen it before. I said to myself, this is like the room in Grammys house. The quiet room. We asked her what she meant by this. She replied with these words. Her final words. Before she simply stopped living and sat there dead with her eyes still on us. She said, come unto these yellow sands,

[David]

Man.

[Matt]

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[David]

All right, so. Yeah, Pandafly says the yellow sands quote is from Shakespeare's the Tempest.

[Amy]

Yes. Sung by the spirit of Ariel.

[David]

Yeah, I don't know what that is though.

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[David]

Don't do that.

[Amy]

You think so? Are you just saying Shit?

[Matt]

No, I know that's your thing. Anytime it comes to that kind of thing, you're like, yeah, it's frequency.

[Amy]

No, I don't think so.

[David]

So I guess that one seemed pretty easy to follow, but I'll just do a recap of it. 8 year old girl comes back from the flesh interface. The. The vaginal tunnel in an embryonic sac. And the embryonic sac seems to be generating lsd. LSD is a. Is a major component of this entire thing. In fact, it makes you, after listening to it, question the origins of lsd. It was created by the Swedes, but how do they synthesize it?

[Matt]

Wait, in this. In this movie or whatever this is that we're doing it was made by the Swedes or you're saying.

[David]

Yeah, it's generated in reality too. It's. Oh, in reality Swedish scientists.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Wasn't it like a mold on bread or something?

[David]

No, that's ergot, which is. Yields a similar effect supposedly. I don't know how. How true that actually is. But that's something that, you know, crop crops used to die by is. It's a type of mold and if it was bad that season, ergot could take out, you know, your entire yield. So. Oh, I'm sorry, did I say. Is there a difference between this. Yeah, Swedes and Swiss. My mistake. It's actually Swiss. So anyway, the SAC generates LSD effectively, but a variety that makes people hyper violent. So they were having issues. The people that were trying to get her out of the embryonic sack. The, the medical personnel were becoming violent,

[Matt]

wanting to hurt her, tripping as they were just trying to get her out. Like the people on the fentanyl. If the people try to resuscitate him and they die. It's almost like.

[David]

Yeah, like when they kneel on their neck.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's a little much. Okay, but what about the. What about the fact that there's like the CIA psychiatrist was like giving them advice of like how to. I think it was when they started naming them like dog names. So that's crazy. Team American, I guess.

[David]

Yep.

[Matt]

And there's a Soviet team and they're both kind of dealing with this and seems that way. Go away. Not in a sack. And they come back in a sack.

[David]

In a sack filled with lsd.

[Amy]

So you got to also remember like the narrator of this story, they're going to skip another story, but he'll come back. So this dude's working there, but he quits after this.

[David]

Was that three, four, six maybe, I don't know, seven.

[Amy]

Oh my God.

[David]

Six.

[Matt]

Seven.

[David]

Six, seven, six. Seven slices of fucking pizza. Yeah. So she comes back somehow de. Aged in a way.

[Matt]

She jingles. Or is she a clone or something that came back? Because we don't really know. Right.

[David]

That's not something I'm going to do. I don't want to. We don't know. I don't want to.

[Matt]

Yeah, but she comes back, she's like a baby. And then she slowly started learn and remember.

[David]

Yeah. Anatomically Speaking she's an 8 year old, but somehow newer. And they did MRIs on her bone plates and they were like that of a newborn's but huh. You know, the size and she was

[Matt]

kind of like Goo Goo Gaga at first, Right. They said that she was just, like, making noises, and then she slowly remembered her own life.

[Amy]

And then once she remembers, then she. Then she dies.

[David]

Like, so she does die at the end, she dies with her eyes open. Like, she. Just. The way he described it was she just stops living.

[Matt]

She just says, come to the yellow sands. And then boom.

[David]

And that's it. As if just sitting right there, still staring at them, but now no longer alive. Yeah. Yep, yep. But I do. That's a. A haunting little detail, much like the other one that was given, so. So this detail that I'm referencing is to dehumanize them and call them animal names. That's so close to what feels like reality.

[Amy]

Yep.

[David]

Some of these details are what really make me feel like. I don't know how much of this is real. It feels like a lot of it. The other one is the way that they described when they went into the tent of the Vietcongs and they removed the altar and they saw the. The flesh interface, the hot air that was coming out of it like it was breathing on your face. And he makes it sound disgusting, and. And that element appears in other people's stories throughout this, you know, this bigger story. But, like, the fucking air that's coming out of this thing is like if an animal with a gigantic gaping vagina that it breathed through was breathing on your face. Yeah, like, that's horrifying.

[Matt]

I don't like the sound of that.

[Amy]

No, play. Play. Play the next one.

[David]

Play it.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

In explaining our cruelty, which I admit was quite beyond the scope of all humanity, I feel I must remind you of how we lost the war. We lost the war in the cruelest way imaginable. Island after island fell, and the enemy drew closer and closer. More and more bombs fell on our cities. Food grew more and more scarce. People starved. House burned. People burned, Children burned. We were punished by our own sense of dignity, by our own inability to admit inevitable and total defeat. It was like watching a sword slowly being sunk into your chest, millimeter by millimeter. But you refused to cry out, refuse to whimper or beg for mercy. And there is nothing you can do but watch the metal disappear into your weeping flesh. By the end of 1944, it was clear that both Japan in Germany were doomed, barring some divine intervention. Yet the stories we knew from childhood told us that we had been saved by divine intervention before, when the fleets of Kublai Khan were at our shores, moving from island to island, conquering and raping, until a miraculous typhoon sent their Ships to the bottom of the ocean. Though we were modern men and trained in Western science, we still believed that there was some sacred destiny in store for the Japanese people. And we kept an eye out for something, anything, which hinted of the divine. Two intriguing pieces of news had come to us via Germany develops which suggested that perhaps the tide of war could turn suddenly. However, both were ominous. One was that America was developing a super weapon. A bomb which could level entire cities, which used the latent power of the atom, unleashing the very forces which held existence together. We assured ourselves that this was American propaganda, that no such weapon actually existed. But our scientists acknowledged that it was theoretically possible. The second piece of the news was more puzzling. It was said that a Swiss scientist had synthesized a chemical which, like the American nuclear technology, could unleash latent forces. This time the forces of the mind. This chemical was said to fuse the various disparate areas of the mind and allow for incredible insights. Apparently teams working under the influence of this chemical for long periods of time were capable of inventing techniques and devices previously unheard of. By the end of 1944, various high ranking Germans were slipping out of Germany like rats from a sinking ship, often trying to fund their escapes by selling various pieces of artwork, technology, intelligence, etc. It was from one of these that we obtained an enormous supply of this wonder chemical, lsd, which was supposed to be secret even from Germany's allies. Along with a chemical we were given a piece of news.

[David]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amy]

So this is like they're describing Operation Paperclip. They're describing everything that happens in 1947 after in America. Actually it's interesting because Andrea Puharish or some was just on Danny Jones. I think that's fascinating. A biblical hitman was just texting me about it saying obviously that he thinks that there's some sort of a, some kind of weird misinformation.

[David]

Yeah, I've been wanting to do like a takedown on. Not a takedown, that sounds gay, but you know, an episode on the Monroe Institute. And Puharich is directly related to all of that as well.

[Amy]

Puharich is the guy that in America introduces all this shit that this guy is talking about here that's introduced in the 50s.

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[Amy]

And then he's also involved with weird seances.

[Matt]

There's a dude in real life in the 50s talking about all this.

[Amy]

A CIA operative that is responsible for, like, multiple patents from dental tooth implants of voice of God technology. He's one of the first guys that is experimenting with psychedelics, specifically psilocybin in a way to do what they're talking about here. But he was doing this all throughout the 50s. He's a guy that discovers Yuri Geller and starts the UFO phenomenon in the 70s. He's. He's everywhere. He's doing everything at the same time.

[Matt]

Yeah, I gotta ask a big picture question. I hope I can ask it, like, clear enough is like, so I'm born in, like, 1980, right? And the world I grew up in, like, you were just a crazy person to talk about aliens. You were a crazy person to talk about any kind of conspiracy theory. Like, if this stuff was happening in the 50s and you guys talk about stuff even before that, after that, like, so what happened that the reality got shaped for 99 of Americans? Like, was it. Is it just more available now because of the Internet or.

[Amy]

No documentary with Hulk Hogan? And in the 90s, what is it?

[David]

Poop brother.

[Amy]

Poop brother. Yeah, PP.

[David]

In.

[Amy]

In the 90s or 80s, he had, like, one of his biggest controversies was they were like, oh, you should take your vitamins and. And go to sleep early every day. But you've been doing steroids. And America, they're like, we need to get Congress to investigate Hulk Hogan. Yeah, it's like, yeah, he's doing steroids. He's 500 pounds, he's 7ft tall, he's on steroids. But the innocence of America at that time was such that, like, people were distraught.

[David]

And I feel like, what generation did that or what years did that happen with baseball? Same thing happened with baseball a little bit after baseball.

[Amy]

But yeah, baseball was a little bit

[Matt]

after that 80s and early 2000s, it was like Maguire. And so, okay, but so, like, if that was being talked about in the 50s, why did it never, like, take in society?

[Amy]

The innocence of America? I think the Internet, like, we are now, like, with podcasting and what we're doing, we are in this age of information where we're going. Infowars actually was like, the perfect name for. And actually Infowars just Died today.

[David]

Isn't that interesting? Yeah, yeah. Because I swear to God, I've heard that before, though.

[Amy]

Maybe the infowars is over and we're moving on to a new war. But, yeah, it was an. It was information warfare, and we're, like, deflowering America with all this stuff, and we're allowed to just.

[David]

Yeah, with our information penises.

[Amy]

With our information penis. It was just interesting. It's interesting to watch that time capsule of people really not understanding it, but pro wrestling was the canary in the coal mine for what people would believe. Like, you had. You had. Well, Donald Trump is involved with this heavily.

[David]

Like, people believe that Chris Benoit killed his whole family.

[Amy]

Well, he did. He definitely did.

[David]

Wait, what?

[Amy]

Flying headbutted off the ropes, Hulk Hogan is pro America. He comes out, he beats, like, the Iron cheek, and he beats Andre the Giant. Yeah. Sergeant Slaughter. And you could have these storylines of, like, really, really bad guys and really, really good guys. And then the good guy wins and everybody cheers. And then. And then it gets to a point where Hulk Hogan kind of led. Led through all of this.

[David]

Like, amen, bro.

[Amy]

The good guy shit's not working anymore, and he's got a rebrand, so he rebrands with the black and white, the wolf pack, the new world order, which is crazy.

[David]

It is crazy.

[Amy]

So now you have this.

[David]

That was the best Hogan in my.

[Amy]

Hulk Hogan has a new world order, but he's straight bad guy. Because the good guy stuff doesn't work. But it's just. It's simp. It's a symbol of what America's accepting. So, yeah, you're not allowed to talk about that stuff when you were a kid, but now. Now, if you look at wrestling now, it's like, there are no heels, there are no faces, meaning good guys, bad guys. Everybody's kind of, like, weird. And the storylines don't quite make sense

[David]

because they're not compelling us, in my opinion.

[Amy]

It's not compelling. It's. It's weird. America's in this weird phase, and. And pro wrestling hasn't caught up on

[David]

what to do yet, I think, because it's not. Whatever.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

The.

[David]

The collective psychology of America has shifted to pro wrestling no longer appeals to that.

[Matt]

But that's embarrassing because, like, you're basically saying a parallel to the 501C3 church system.

[Amy]

Sure, it's pro wrestling.

[David]

That's why they come out on wires.

[Matt]

It's a theater. They've created a narrative.

[Amy]

What are the.

[Matt]

Everybody's moved on. But they haven't.

[David]

Right. Right.

[Amy]

So what do the people want to see? And I think we're in the time. We're not in a time of, like, what do people want to see? We're in a time of authenticity. So it's going to be like, almost like reality stuff. Like, again, Hulk Hogan, after all this good guy, bad guy shit, he moves on to reality TV.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

The stuff that was happening in the 50s was happening, but people just weren't ready for reality.

[David]

Well, a lot of it is accessibility. Now we have, like, the Freedom of Information Act. We also have the ability to act like that information through the Internet, you know, incredibly quickly.

[Amy]

People that were calling it out, it was easy to either. I mean, you can kill people at the time, just send them away now. Like, information that moves around so fast, you can't. So in order to get ahead of this, they kind of have to, like, now they placate to conspiracy theorists. Now you look.

[David]

Yeah, we're at the White House ops now.

[Amy]

The fucking White House is throwing out conspiracy theories. Donald Trump is putting up. He's tweeting or truthing QAnon post.

[David]

Remember when he gave all those people those. Those binders and put them out, the Epstein binders? I also think that those stories, you know, that you're talking about in wrestling, they no longer resonate because we've entered this kind of moral gray zone. Yeah. Where we're much more willing to accept that morality is a gray area. Nobody's all good and all bad. That doesn't work anymore. And so I think that's why you see shows like. Like, let's say Breaking Bad, so popular, even though you're rooting for. Was effectively evil piece of shit. The bad guy in Walter White.

[Amy]

It's called postmodernism.

[David]

Right.

[Amy]

And we are kind of in. I think Stephen Kinsella said that we are in post. It's not postmodern, but post, man. I think.

[David]

What. Is that what Cashman says, Post reality. Yeah, I like that. Post reality is post reality.

[Amy]

America is great. But like, post.

[Matt]

We have Cashman's book or no.

[Amy]

Yeah, I have it at home. Post Persuasion America. Meaning, like, people think what they think, and there's really no steering around it. Yeah, it's.

[Matt]

It's no changing it.

[David]

Just. In fact, we kind of laugh when we go look. They're trying to steer the narrative. Yeah. Like, you can tell. And I mean collectively, like on Twitter, everybody points and laughs now, which I don't know that that means anything's gotten away from them at all. I think we just have a different. You know, mode of control, where wrestling used to be the thing. I think a lot of it is now. Podcasters, probably. I made that tweet where I said, my fellow conspiracy theorists, I regret to inform you that we have been weaponized, which has been the case for a long time. But you take compelling ones like a Candace Owens or an Ian Carroll or, you know, any of these people, and you don't even really need to put money in their pocket. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen. I'm just saying you have to feed them the right information, let the algorithm boost them, and you could have something that appears much more organic than Kayfabe ever did.

[Matt]

So, okay, so the reality of the universe is just very, very crazy. Very different from what we've ever thought in America with, like, Burger King and the World Series and the Super Bowl. And so as time goes on, they let you get a little bit closer. A little bit closer, A little bit closer, because they know they have to, because now the cat's getting out of the bag a little bit because of the guy in the 50s, because of Hulk Hogan. They got to get you a little closer. But then they feed the narrative to the podcasters because they're like, okay, well, these guys will run with it, and everybody think that's gospel. It's not coming from cnn. It's not coming from Fox. It's coming from podcast. But they can let you get a little closer. But reality is way, way weirder.

[David]

I think the question that you have to ask is, are they allowing us to get a little bit closer because the cat's coming out of the bag, or are they facilitating the cat coming out of the bag? And are they the ones that are facilitating, you know, these reveals or, you know, is this actually what was always going to happen?

[Matt]

Or are they letting it go further down a road, but it's a wrong road? They're like. It's like, here's reality. Reality is really over here. We'll let them go really deep down the road, but just making sure the road goes over there.

[Amy]

They have to stick to the script some. Some ways, I think. I think it's like, oh, we talked about Jesus plus, where it's like, you're not going to be able to get away with another God. For America, it's gonna have to be Jesus.

[David]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Plus, so it's like, it looks like, but not quite. You know, it's got. It's got to appear like the real thing. So, yeah, they stick to the script, but, like, there's A lot of weird branches that come off this tree, and

[David]

a lot of them are red herrings. A lot of them are branches that are meant for you to waste your

[Amy]

time and you can end up way over there. But then after a while, you'll have to look around and be like, oh, man, I'm way off track. Yeah, but the point is they want to keep you on but continue, like, just sliding you left or right. You know what I mean? Sliding.

[Matt]

It just seems like the typical cnn Fox News fighting. They were like, okay, we're losing everybody on that. Like, they're not into that anymore, so we need to make it a little deeper and crazy.

[Amy]

It's just pro wrestling. It's a.

[David]

And.

[Amy]

And it. It's exemplified in every area of America. That's what it's come to. But let's. Let's keep on reading this.

[David]

Yeah, keep on keeping on.

[Amy]

I got this transcript pulled up here, so I'm reading it too.

[Matt]

But you want these last two so I can get rid of this box? No, I'm not saying you're hungry for it. I'm just saying you want them so I can get rid of the box.

[David]

No, I'm good. I don't really like pepperoni. Okay.

[Matt]

You want the sausage?

[David]

Yeah, I have a sausage that'll make room for the pepperoni sausage real quick. If you got an extra one of those flying around, that's cool. You wanna pass me one of those? That's cool. Hold on. I can't play it. I got my hands full of. Oh, well, I guess I'll just take two of them. That's fine.

[Matt]

There you go.

[David]

That's no big deal.

[Amy]

It's getting wild.

[David]

It just got stuck together, you know? All right, let's go.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Tantalizing. Given the position we were in, according to our contact, experiments with LSD had been conducted at the Treblinka extermination camp. A group of prisoners was given the drugs for a period of several months. And the results were so impressive that somehow the prisoners were able to convince the camp leaders to take the drug as well. Soon the entire camp hierarchy was taking the drug and working together on a new device that was some sort of destructive radar which could bring down planes as easily as ordinary radar found them.

[David]

This actually. They don't expand too much on that. I'm thinking. Is that like EMP? I don't know enough about, like, World War II and sort of the actual combative situation, but a type of radar that could take down planes. Sounds like emp. Like an EMP burst. But I don't know if I would call that a radar. I don't really know shit about that, though. Maybe there's something that is common knowledge. Like somebody who's a big World War II buff is out there like, yeah, man, this changed the fucking tide.

[Matt]

But what was he saying? That the inmates were on the lsd, that they were vibing so much that the people watching them said, we want some of that.

[David]

I've had not just vibing to. No, no.

[Matt]

So hard that somebody's like, I'm not doing that.

[David]

They were. They were creating such compelling, like, equations and theoretical technology and such that they were able to actually get their captors to be like, okay, these are cooking. Let me get some of that and help you out.

[Amy]

It sounds like it's alluding to how they took down the Roswell stuff. They said, oh, we took it down with radar.

[David]

That's right.

[Amy]

Yeah. But I don't know. I don't know if. So smart

[David]

vacuum tube radar technology. When did that get revealed?

[Amy]

Well, when was Roswell? 70s,

[David]

early 50s, late 40s.

[Matt]

I thought it was like 48.

[David]

Well, there you go. Interesting.

[Amy]

Here we go.

[Matt]

It was an interesting year.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

It was said to be powerful enough to slice bombers right in half.

[Matt]

What?

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Of course, we found this news hard to believe. Nazi death cam commanders working side by side with. With Jewish prisoners to invent a magical radar. It was utterly fantastical. Our good sense told us to ignore it, and yet how could we? The Americans had already taken back the Philippines. Soon they would take Iowa, Jima, and then Okinawa and all the home islands. We were facing the end of the Japanese as a free race, perhaps the end of all Japanese existence. The Germans would have it easy compared to us. Many Americans were German in origin. There is a blood affinity between the two countries.

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[Narrator/Storyteller]

This did not exist for us. The Americans would burn our cities and rape our women and enslave us, make us servants like they're nigiro. We would be bred with the whites until we.

[David]

This is very funny.

[Matt]

Did you Say the M word.

[David]

No, Nigiro. It's like a slave. Idaho hermit says, this dude's voice is a little too dramatic for me. He's talking about raping, enslaving, and destroying an entire people group. But this guy's voice is a little bit too dramatic for the situation.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

It becomes.

[Amy]

I will say it is dramatic all the time, though.

[David]

I like it. Yeah, I like it. And. And when the. When the parts are funny, it's kind of funnier coming from that voice.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Of cast. Japanese culture would crumble. The stories of our childhoods would be forgotten. We were watching a sword disappear into our hearts, and we were desperate for some kind of divine intervention. So in late 1944, a glass jar of LSD crystals, enough for several million doses, was taken aboard a submarine and slipped under the COVID of the sea back to the home islands. We were looking for divine grace. What we found was a hell beyond our darkest dreams of destruction. Hello, friends. Thank you for your interest in my post. I wanted to apologize.

[David]

Okay, so there's been a shift. This is the actual narrator, or not the actual narrator, the actual author. He's talking. This is a Reddit post and he's. He's addressing. He's breaking the fourth wall kind of a deal.

[Matt]

So he's Posted. This is 10 years ago, and he's posted however many we listened to so far. Four or five. Five of them. And now he's like, hey, guys, just want to say thanks for listening to my stuff.

[David]

Sort of. It's a little bit more informative than that.

[Amy]

That's a break from the narrative here.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which this guy does tell his own story.

[Amy]

Should we. Should we end it here?

[David]

No.

[Amy]

Okay.

[David]

No.

[Matt]

We got pizza, bro.

[David]

This is like an all night place to be. I'm excited, man.

[Matt]

Yeah, right? Popcorn, pizza. Like, let's go.

[Amy]

All right, we got popcorn.

[Matt]

You guys want other snacks?

[David]

No. God, no. Please, I'll eat them all. I have a control issue.

[Matt]

No, I got other snacks out there, though.

[David]

This is like me just like covering the table and crushed oxycontins and being like, let's watch this. Let's listen to this thing.

[Amy]

Look at me. He's like, that sounds nice.

[David]

Don't. Sounds like a good time. I would never want to, but that's what. That is. What you just did to me. You basically.

[Matt]

I never see. I never know when the food is really that big of a deal for you.

[David]

Always top nose. I go to your house right now, he's always got a fucking spread.

[Amy]

My wife's still mad about it.

[Matt]

The first time I ever did a show over there, we came out and used to started destroying the cookies and I took a picture. You were like, why are you taking a picture? I just met you like the day before.

[David]

I remember that.

[Amy]

Yeah, he ate an entire like Sam's Club thing of cookies. No, no. It's bizarre. Croissants.

[Matt]

Oh, they're good.

[David]

Croissants are good.

[Amy]

I know, but David.

[David]

Yeah, I have my version of self

[Amy]

control is 17 of them.

[Matt]

That's disgusting.

[David]

It didn't have 17 in there.

[Matt]

Were they flavored at all like chocolate on Instagram?

[David]

They were just croissant.

[Amy]

It was just regular Chris. That's what I'm saying. I was like this just bread like a dock.

[David]

I have an issue. Like I don't know what the issue.

[Amy]

Like you feel like you feed it to a duck. Yeah, that's kind of what it was. That's. Yeah. When I saw that, I was like definitively has an issue here.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay, so we're out in the open about his eating issues now. I didn't know cuz last time we had the thing when you got.

[David]

Well, the thing is I haven't been having an eating like today. You know what I ate? I had quinoa and eggs and 17 pizzas. Yeah, now I had 17 fucking pizzas but had quinoa and eggs.

[Amy]

Why can't you just see a pizza and have two?

[Matt]

They say a lot comes from bitterness and unforgiveness Will kind of cause that.

[David]

I think, you know, my dad wasn't around and I had a real like, you know, we were struggling. We were kids or when I was a kid. There's no we.

[Amy]

I want to hear from the narrator, David.

[David]

An eating disorder is very girly.

[Amy]

It is.

[David]

It is very girly. I was raised by women.

[Amy]

She called you a.

[David]

Thanks, Nance.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

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[Amy]

What'd I do?

[Narrator/Storyteller]

I simply had nowhere else to post my information where anybody would read it. Previously, I was operating a website wherein my information laid out in a rather straightforward manner. I was quite convinced that the undeniable truth of this information would attract attention on its own accord. I was quite sure that somehow this grand truth would shine out as a beacon and resonate with receptive people and quickly become widespread. As I recall, my best month brought about 400 visitors and a total of 4 non spam comments. 75% of these recommended psychiatric intervention. So here we find ourselves. I'm Attempting to use the techniques of.

[Amy]

That's what you're talking about, Matt. Where you're like, something happened. Like, we weren't allowed to talk about this in the 80s. Like, he's writing this. This is him telling you he's writing this in 20, probably 2015, maybe even earlier on, like, a personal blog, and people like, you need help. Here we are ten years later, and we're going. Actually, a lot of that's happened, right? That a lot of this has been declassified.

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[David]

So that's actually probably back when Reddit wasn't full of. Yeah. Reddit has become an assessed pool for liberal homosexuals.

[Amy]

So has.

[David]

And pseudo intellectuals.

[Amy]

Pro wrestling. And I think that that's the problem.

[David]

That's interesting.

[Amy]

Yeah. We need. We need it back.

[David]

Take back wrestling.

[Amy]

Take back wrestling.

[David]

You would need to start a whole new organization because all those guys are

[Amy]

like, yeah, they keep making new ones. And more gay people flocks.

[Matt]

Wait, do you guys watch? I used to fake wrestling.

[David]

I've seen it. So I go to my cousin's house occasionally, and he has it on. And back in the day, you had, like, Viscera. Remember?

[Amy]

Big fan of that stuff.

[David]

Remember Vader?

[Matt]

The only person I watched wrestling with my entire life was my Aunt Ruthie that had down syndrome. Like, I never knew a person that wasn't down syndrome that, like. Well, maybe my boy Hotsy in high school, he liked wrestling. He was like, it's like boys, soap operas. I was like, dude, I'm not watching. This is crazy.

[Amy]

They're telling you the archetypes.

[David]

Remember Rakishi?

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

Remember Mankind? I did, like, all those hideous characters. They don't exist anymore. Everybody's just kind of.

[Matt]

No, I remember that when I was a kid, the figurines and stuff. There was Jake the Snake. Like, the Undertaker. There was like, Junkyard dog.

[David]

Yeah, Junkyard Dog.

[Amy]

They're displaying archetypes for young men so that they can emulate them in real life. Yeah, the storylines. That's what it is.

[David]

And Honey says, wrestling is so gay, I can't stand it. It wasn't for you, Black town. It's for dudes.

[Amy]

Everything. I think we live in a really broken.

[David]

Where everything has to be for everybody.

[Amy]

Now, I don't know, everything's all up, so they can't even tell a coherent story. Nobody can tell a coherent.

[Matt]

No, that's just a very, very strange thing. In the story of reality is this thing called fake wrestling where they already know the outcome before it starts, but they're gonna do it in A way where you don't know and you think, oh, you're cheering for the guy. It's like, it's already been determined who's gonna win.

[David]

I remember fighting with people.

[Matt]

Incredibly intriguing when you think about, like, the Iran war. It's like if people think they're watching and cheering, going, yeah, I want my team to win. I want. That's like, it's probably already totally determined.

[David]

Still reserved, says, I got beat up in grade school for telling this one dude who called. We called for. We called you for Tourette's Kid. We called him Tourette's Kid. And he told him wrestling sucked and Tourette's Kid beat his ass good.

[Matt]

Hell yeah, dude.

[David]

You deserved it.

[Matt]

Yeah, I told you that. My Aunt Ruthie, if you, like, if you tried to grab her hands, she could hold your hands like this and you couldn't. You couldn't get them out, dude. Yeah, you couldn't get them out, bro. That's it. Just like Crazy down syndrome.

[Amy]

These are the people we need.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, we do.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

On the front lines, fiction and suspense. To hopefully generate interest in this information. Your subreddit furthers the same, and I sincerely thank you for creating it. I should clarify that this information is not fiction, nor is it true. Oh, it is a mix of things which happened and things which almost happened, things which were and things which could have been. You must understand that the present moment in which we exist is simply a nexus from which trillions of possible past, impossible futures branch out. The important thing to realize is that these unreal past and unrealized futures are related to each other. By examining what might have been, we can come to understand what might come to be. I am writing about what has never been and what must never be. Unfortunately, our generation has been given a special burden. We are doomed, as the apocryphal Chinese curse has it, to live in interesting times. Soon, technological advances in the field of information technology and bioengineering will fundamentally reshape human existence. There are a number of possible outcomes, and I believe that most of them will result in the human race entering unending era of absolute slavery. As a free species, we have seen totalitarianism before. We have destroyed it. But when it arises again, aided by advanced information and biological technology, it will have a new and unprecedented ability to envelop the entire Earth and place humanity in an unalterable state of total mental and physical slavery that will last for uncounted millennia till the Earth becomes uninhabitable. Not only do I believe that this outcome is possible. I believe that it is overwhelmingly likely. Out of all the trillions of possible futures arrayed before us, 99.9999% of them result in this outcome. As Christ said, wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But narrow is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. We must find and enter the narrow gate, but it will not be easy. In order to find it, we must sort through the many possible past to find the few possible futures which result in a humanity free to live and die as humans.

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And not as an unholy agglomeration of mindless flesh. Unfortunately, as we fight against the forces of slavery and death, it will be precisely our instincts towards the preservation of freedom and life that will lead us to destruction. In short, we live in precarious times. I want to make clear that while this post shows clear and appalling signs of megalomania, I am actually aware that I am not a prophet or an expert. I am a 30 something American male without the benefit of a college education or stable job. Sadly, I've spent most of my life drunk. My posts will contain a number of historical errors, both intentional and unintentional, as well as bad spelling, bad grammar, and laughably overwrought prose. Readers with a proper education will easily see through my attempts erudition. In short, I have no proper formal qualifications for the task I have set out for myself, but I have personally experienced the intellectual mutations of which I write. Through repeated self experimentation I have fractured the time state of my brain and now it exists in an ever shifting state between various past which didn't happen as such. I have been given what I believe is a special insight into our possible futures. They are dark. The shadows of the past atrocities pass and overlap with the shadows of future atrocities. Time is short. Recently I have been beset with a persistent creativity that seems to grow stronger as the days go by. I fear this state is unsustainable, perhaps eventually this productive mania will turn into an unproductive psychosis. And soon, on a larger scale, mankind's productivity will turn into its own sort of psychosis. Billions of years ago, the so called primordial soup arranged itself into a self replicating form which multiplied and flourished and divaricated into countless species. From our vantage point in the present, this singular moment of origin has become lost in the mists of time. Equally obscure to us is the future singularity towards which we are heading. The endpoint which all the countless species are once again reintegrated into a new and singular form, a new abomination. We are on the verge, all of us. Times are dire. We are about to be gathered again into the arms of the Mother to become one flesh with her, the mother who gathered.

[Amy]

So, breaking the third wall. This is, this is the part.

[David]

If it's the fourth one.

[Amy]

Once the fourth wall, once you get into this part of the. The series, it's very hard to stop.

[David]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Because now he's. Now he's talking to you and he's explaining what's happening here. They're no longer abstract stories. This is a guy, they've called him crazy. He's tripling down on crazy. Writing directly to an audience that said. And telling them, you. So I'm like, all right, I'm interested.

[Matt]

Yeah, he's in here. It's a mix of things. Kind of true, kind of not true. I spell. I don't spell good. If you're an intellectual, you're gonna see right through how kind of dumb I am.

[David]

Which, by the way, he writes really well. Like, this just reads. I can't read. This is read to me. Speaks very well by this man. Yeah, speaks very well.

[Amy]

This is a different guy. That's, that's.

[Matt]

But this is 2016, probably before. Yeah. So if I'm hearing this or reading this in 2016, I'm saying like, yeah, dude, this guy's like, out there.

[David]

I'm hearing it in 2016 and going like, okay, yeah. Don't know. Nearly as much as I didn't know nearly as much as I know now. I still don't know shit. But I would have been like, this would have had me.

[Matt]

2016 is when Trump first got.

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[Matt]

Right before Trump was Obama.

[Amy]

Like, that's when everything got fucked up.

[Matt]

That's what I'm saying. I'm just saying that time period, that's wild.

[David]

Pivotal moment.

[Matt]

Huge.

[Amy]

Huge moment.

[David]

Huge moment. Yeah.

[Amy]

Every. Like we're going on a. I mean, I think we were bumped off at some points but it was never this drastic. Trump gets elected and we're like, we're not. That's not supposed to happen.

[David]

And it's not stopping. And that moment is like, somebody hit the gas man. And it's been. And it hadn't been let off ever since.

[Matt]

What do you think, though, specifically? That he just. When he came on the scene, so many things started being exposed. Like, even just the thing called, like, fake news. People didn't call it fake news back then. Now everybody in the country knows that the news is fake.

[Amy]

Like, that's so much changed when Donald. And that's why I really liked him from 2015. Like, I just had like a sense of what he. Whatever he was and he's bringing and he's. He's like this kind of like light bringer, light bearer. He's like shining the light on all exposure.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

Come in with a flash.

[Matt]

Plus, at that time, it was like a lot more simple in the sense that it was like, I remember back then thinking, like, there's three things that are just really bad destroyers of America, and it's the so called Republican Party, the so called Democrat Party, and the so called media. And it was very clear that those three entities didn't like him or at least acted like him at that time. So I was like, this dude's fighting against those three entities. I like this guy, right?

[Amy]

This pro wrestling, right? We can all get it.

[David]

By the way, he was a big. He was a big fan of what Vince McMahon had said.

[Amy]

He's in the WWE hall of Fame.

[David]

He literally is in the WWE hall of Fame.

[Amy]

But it's like, yeah, that calls to me and I go, oh, there's a storyline. We get it right off the ropes. Here comes Trump.

[Matt]

Boom.

[Amy]

And it's like, not likely. Oh, he's hulking out. He wins. It's like, yeah, okay, we get the storyline and they're presenting to this to us through politics now. So that's like all that shit changes. But this guy's in that while me. I mean, you were probably a little bit outside of it at this point, but I'm kind of in. And you're in this movement too. This, the political movement. You're watching it and you're going like, their sides. I know which side. Like, we were at least smart enough to be on the correct side of this right there. Like half the country was on just a fucking completely wrong side. So we're playing the game. We're like, yeah, this dude's. This dude's so outside of the game. He's floating above the game, writing all this shit down to the point where it's like, now that we're reading this mother horse eyes. He's talking about the integration. He's talking about AI. He's talking about the singularity. He's talking about everybody becoming this Borg in 2016. We didn't even have. We had AI and there was only, like, rumblings of this.

[David]

That was a fringe idea back in 2016. Now it's a hyper popular.

[Amy]

What does he compare it to here? Look at what he says here. Equally obscure to us is the future singularity towards which we are heading. The end point which all countless species are once are one once again reintegrated into a new and singular form. An abomination.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

World order.

[Amy]

Yes, all of us. Time times are dire. We are about to be gathered again into the arms of the mother.

[David]

Yeah.

[Amy]

And this is like, bang. Like we're back into this is what I'm saying, dude. With the divine feminine, this guy has. So all. Any conspiracy theory you can throw. If we had a dart. A dart, crazy single one.

[David]

And he's. It's not that he's on it and he's saying, like, look at this thing. Like a crazy. Charlie.

[Amy]

Yeah. And this is why the world is going to end. No, no, this is how this connects to this. And look at this over here. And here's the story of how all of these things make sense.

[David]

Much of this he's had experiences with, to the extent that it's anthropomorphized. Like this mother character. A lot of this, which I don't know if that's something that he's claiming is real, but, like, the same way that the Bible describes

[Amy]

the mother is the devil in this story.

[David]

Yeah, yeah, man. It's such a crazy thing.

[Amy]

You know the previous story that we heard where the girl goes, it was just like granny's house, right?

[David]

Yeah.

[Amy]

So she's in grandma's house and it's like, okay, that's cut off. And now let's just. Let's continue to listen to it. But, yeah, he is.

[Matt]

Anybody know who this guy is at this stage of the journey?

[Amy]

We don't know.

[David]

No.

[Matt]

You could call him and get him on the show.

[David]

Allegedly there's one guy out there who interviewed him and maintained that guy's anonymity. And, you know, that's. That's pretty much how it goes. That's the end.

[Matt]

So potentially, this guy could be reaching who to.

[David]

Hell no. Dude.

[Amy]

Dude, the thing is, like, this is such an obscure story that, like, there's a guy named Wendigoon and Papa Meat.

[Matt]

When De Goon and when. Not the goon.

[Amy]

When? Whenever.

[David]

No, never.

[Amy]

They read this story. It gets millions of views. But, like, he doesn't have anywhere near those kind of views with just the story that he wrote. He wrote it. It's in the ether now. He just fades back.

[David]

And also to interview him and be like, how could he possibly give us more than 10 hours that he's written down?

[Amy]

Yeah, like, what do you want me to tell you?

[David]

Like, I fucking did. I literally wrote down.

[Matt]

I don't know if I had him on. If I've. Where you from?

[David]

Where you from?

[Matt]

Guys?

[Amy]

Go subscribe to the new straight Bible channel. We do. We're gonna be. We're gonna be doing, like, more interview shows. I think it's gonna be called where you from?

[David]

Straight Bible.

[Amy]

Where you from?

[Matt]

That's gonna be its own series.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

All right.

[Matt]

Interviews.

[David]

You guys heard it here first.

[Amy]

Here we go. All right, let's.

[David]

Let's check it out.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

The mother I have seen in dark spaces since I was a little child, back when I called her the mother with horse eyes. We are about to meet her again. We are about to be unborn.

[Matt]

So this is the context for the whole thing. Is this entity that he's been seeing since he's a child, that was. That he calls the mother with.

[David]

So.

[Matt]

So that thing that we saw with the four eyes, we don't know if that's what it looked like. That's just something.

[Amy]

Rendition.

[Matt]

This guy never said what. What he meant by that.

[David]

No, he. He. He'll go on to elaborate whether. Horse eyes.

[Amy]

Horse eyes, yeah.

[Matt]

But what if it just looks like a human, but the eyes are like horse eyes?

[David]

So he'll go on later on to describe that. You'll hear all the. The very, you know, in detailed descriptions of this entity. But entity. Mother horse eyes is a. Is a big character and plot device in this story, among many others. It becomes obvious to me, listening to this that he could have named it a bunch of other things. Mother horse eyes is fine. That's like a horse's eye, which actually. That looks like a normal iris, but

[Matt]

that could be on a human face, but it ain't. Oh, okay, okay. There's more to the story. Okay. I'm just saying, dude, from the day that I ever saw that T shirt that says mother horse eyes, I had no clue this is where this was going.

[David]

It's. It's so fun. It's crazy.

[Amy]

It's a hard thing to get. How do I explain this to you?

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. It's a fair point.

[Amy]

Yeah, yeah. It's unexplainable. It's every conspiracy ever.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

It heads. Magical. We are about to meet her again. We are about to be unborn. When you're hanging out with the tribe of Nazi acid heads, magical space doesn't even register on the weirdo meter. I mean, they talk about so much weird and so much of it was total that I didn't pay any.

[Amy]

I think we should. This should be the last story that we listen to.

[David]

Okay, so we got it, boss. By the way, you know, throughout this, it's not just like, him telling these stories. He tells it from the perspective of the person, so.

[Amy]

Oh, no. Iwo Jima's next.

[David]

Iwo Jima's kind of long.

[Matt]

We gotta do it, dude.

[David]

We gotta Iwo Jima, dude.

[Matt]

We got pizza. You want pizza?

[David]

No, sorry.

[Matt]

You want pizza?

[Amy]

I'm good.

[Matt]

Okay.

[David]

Iwo Jima grips the shit out of.

[Amy]

You got that grippy.

[David]

It got that grippy. Maybe we should double up and do it Iwo Jima last. I don't know. We'll see how it goes. But Iwo Jima is one of those where, like, you don't want to stop listening. Okay.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Attention to was the 60s. Talking about magical space pussies was like asking somebody how their day went. It was just conversation to me, but to them it wasn't. That was a strange time in my life. I'd spent the last six months going from commune to commune, just checking them out. They were all.

[Amy]

This is no longer every one of them somebody else.

[David]

Right.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Was just somebody on the power trip and a bunch of women who had grown up with bad fathers hanging on his every word, hoping he would solve all their problems. That's the only way the commune system worked. The guy got control of the women, and the women attracted a few guys to the manual labor. But in the end, it was basically just a new system of pimping. I mean, I'm from Brooklyn. I've seen pimping. These chicks had tried to escape society and just gotten themselves pimped out. It was tragic, but not too tragic for me to give a shit about it. So I went out to Death Valley. Why did I go there? Why does anybody. Because it has a cool name. If it was called some Scorpions and a bunch of fucking rocks, which is what it actually is, nobody would go. I had decided I was done with counterculture. I was done with the Regular culture. I was done with it all. I would go where no one would bother me and just try to figure myself out. Get a little peace and quiet.

[Amy]

This feels like a month later, the

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Mason family moved in next door.

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[David]

He calls it the Mason family there. Yeah, I don't know if that's a typo, but he even says Charlie like it's the Manson family, right? The Manson family moved next door to him when he moved out to Death Valley.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

For a while, it was just a nice little guy named Paul and some girls living a few miles from my little shack seemed harmless. Then the whole family came in. Charlie, too. They had already committed the murders. At this point, it was big news. But nobody knew who did it. I surely didn't connect it to the band of weirdos next door. They seemed too stupid to pull off anything newsworthy. Just another bullshit commune. Once Charlie got there, the family seemed to spend most of their time driving their dune buggies around, pretending to be the fucking Africa Corps. I mean, Charlie would put a helmet on with a swastika and lead them in maneuvers. I had never met a racist Nazi hippie before. There was a first time for everything. Some of them even talked about Uncle Adolph and how he knew the score, how he should have won the war. I was a mechanic in the army, so I helped them out with the buggies and got to know them a little slowly. Their little philosophy trickled down onto me. I thought America was on the verge of an apocalyptic race war. Blacks on white, Helter Skelter, the Watts riot in every city. That part actually seemed pretty plausible. I mean, you have to understand, in 1969, the country had been getting weirder and weirder. More and more violent every year. Nobody was quite sure when it would end. Nobody knew that in the 70s the counterculture would just kinda Peter into a bunch of fucking James Taylor albums. They said that they had come to the desert to find a hideout so they would be safe while the Helter Skelter race war was going on. They said that somewhere out in the desert, there was a bottomless pit full of wonders and treasures. In the Bible, Revelation speaks of the tree of Life, which bears 12 kinds of fruit, one for every month. They said this tree was growing inside the bottomless pit and would give them all the food they wanted while they waited out the war. When it was over, they said they would emerge and Charlie would rule the world as the new Christ. So that part was a little less plausible. And then I started hearing about the magical space vagina. I had become friends with Paul, who was actually a nice guy who just wanted to fuck the girls and get stoned and didn't really get into the whole Nazi thing. He said that they were searching for the entrance to the bottomless pit. He said that entrance would be made of flesh growing out of the rocks like a giant pussy, so big you could stroll right in. I told him he thought about pussy way too much, but he was serious. He said that the technology to turn rocks into flesh was from outer space and its secrets had been taught to Charlie by Uncle Adolf. Until then, I thought that Uncle Adolf was their name for Hitler. Slowly I learned more. I started to realize that they were talking about somebody who was still alive, somebody they actually knew. They told me he was coming soon. This kind of psychological mirroring was exploited in the design of the flesh interfaces.

[Amy]

New chapter.

[David]

New chapter. Okay, so I mean, that one was super self explanatory. I think everybody's relatively caught. Did you. You got all that?

[Matt]

Moves to Death Valley. He moves in next to the Mansons. They've already killed people. He doesn't know it.

[David]

Some wild stuff going on, just driving around buggies.

[Matt]

There happens to be one of those portals in the desert now, or so they say.

[Amy]

They're looking for it.

[David]

They're looking for it. I do love that in very many ways this is like, like a QANON thing where QANON pulls together elements of a bunch of conspiracies to make like a grand conspiracy. And in that way, Mother Horse Eyes does the same thing. So we have World War II and we have MK Ultra, we have the CIA, we have Manson now, you know, and it's going to continue. We're going to.

[Matt]

It's kind of all connected as part

[David]

of one big, one big conspiracy.

[Amy]

It's also adding this element of which is what we talk about all the time on the show, where it's not only scientific, like we already talked about the scientific part, the governmental part, the CIA and all that, and what they're doing with their actual experiments now. It's becoming like rituals.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Amy]

Like, they're in. This is part of a cult. We have like, religiosity.

[David]

We're in the desert.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

There's a.

[David]

There's a bottomless pit. I love that. It's. It is.

[Amy]

It's all the same thing is really what we're getting at.

[David]

But it's.

[Amy]

It's kind of like what. It's like what I'm thinking, what we were thinking for a long time. We catch on to this and we're like, yeah, man. It is kind of all.

[David]

It's crazy how much same thing. We were coming back, you and I,

[Amy]

from the Fountain of Youth.

[David]

Was that where it was in. In Saratoga or. Saratoga. Is that what it's called? Yeah, Saratoga.

[Matt]

Sarasota.

[David]

Sarasota. And that was a long drive, like four hours or something. And you were like telling me to listen to this thing and you're like, dude, I'm putting it on. And for four hours in the car ride home, I just sat there, like,

[Amy]

never heard David so quiet.

[Matt]

I. Dude, sure he wasn't just Gassy 4.

[David]

No, that would be loud.

[Amy]

I've drove with him to Miami maybe, I don't know, five times.

[David]

And we. And how long is that drive up? Five hours.

[Amy]

Five hours.

[David]

And we're just doing like back to back podcasts.

[Matt]

I don't think people know how annoying he gets off camera. I don't think they know, dude.

[David]

I think they probably could get a feel for that.

[Matt]

No.

[David]

Yeah, I think that comes through at some point.

[Amy]

I just look at him like, it's amazing he's gone. And I'm like, maybe we should.

[Matt]

So he was locked in. Locked in four hours coming back from the Fountain of Youth.

[David]

Somebody said story. Somebody said that

[Amy]

Iwo Jima, Iwo Jima

[David]

segment is their favorite. It's next for me. It's the crone and the desert and. And the. I don't even want to spoil it.

[Amy]

I like the. I like the. The club scene.

[David]

The club is cool with the one. Okay, I know what you're talking about, but for me, man, like, there's a tribe and there's a desert and there's a crone.

[Amy]

There's a bang.

[David]

It's. So let's.

[Amy]

Let's get through this.

[David]

Let's get through this. Okay. Okay.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

When a human body is embedded in an interface the individual stepped into it non human interface glance produce massive amounts of LSD which cause intellectual mutations I. E. Time fracturing along several dozen axis. This meanwhile independent hormone regulators produce an emotional oscillation between two states, euphoria and terror. Thus, we have the typical sound of an interface altering waves of giggling and screaming that move through the interface population running along the length of the interface. As the hormones travel along the independent conduits, these successive waves of.

[David]

I got to explain that because that's that, like wordy man, the interface is the flesh tunnel, and the substance that is the LSD moves through it. And basically the things that facilitate this are like the veins. And as you're saying, and as it

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[David]

The inhabitants, and we're gonna get there. Of the flesh interface oscillate between laughter and screaming. So it's moving, and it's causing the inhabitants as it passes through them to scream and laugh and scream and laugh. It's just like the way they word it is very dry and scientific. In some of these. In some of these chapters, giggling and

[Narrator/Storyteller]

screaming create a steady rhythm that washes over the traveler as they move through the interface. Neutral empathetic responses mirroring prepared the traveler's body for the process of embrace. When I was little, they took mommy away, put me with new mommy in a smelly, dark house. They said she was a real person, but I knew she wasn't.

[Amy]

New narrator.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

They had made her. Her face was made from pieces of animal. Pig cheeks, hairy goat jaw, old horse eyes. I sewed her together badly and the seams were crusty.

[Matt]

Hold on. I lost it for a second because you were talking. So. So they took his mom. He's got a new mom. But then now. Is he describing not his new mom?

[David]

He's describing new mom. Yeah.

[Matt]

The new mom is the one stitched together with animal.

[David]

By the way, Baked Tuna asked when we're gonna give away the VIP ticket that they bought. So number one, thank you to Baked tuna. Couldn't make it to the event. Actually bought a VIP ticket for the sole purpose of giving away, which I really appreciate. I don't exactly know when we're going to give it away. We plan on adding some tickets to that so that we have A couple of things to give away and we're going to announce that shortly.

[Matt]

But then if anybody wants to get the VIP tickets at a somewhat of a discount, you got cash.

[David]

That's not true. You're going to confuse people.

[Matt]

Standard.

[David]

You're going to confuse people. Do that. He's just saying, go ahead, let's get

[Matt]

back to the show.

[David]

But yeah. So taken away from his mother. I think it's actually a girl. I think it'll prove out to be a little girl. Taken away from her mother. Introduced to this new mother. And right now describing the way new

[Matt]

mother is the horse eye creature.

[David]

Pig cheeks, goat jaw. Horse eyes. That's where we left off.

[Amy]

Sewn together.

[Matt]

That's mother horse eyes. All the body parts of animals so far.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I don't like it.

[Amy]

Nobody likes it.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Real mommy called me from underground.

[Matt]

What?

[Narrator/Storyteller]

I open the attic window at sundown and let the spring breeze flow in.

[David]

Oh, I'm sorry. Pandafly said this is him in the interface as a child in the house of the mother. That is true, because later on you'll hear some content. This is the original narrator.

[Matt]

He's in the interface.

[David]

Yeah. Because the same guy that's like doing the LSD and dumping these stories on

[Matt]

the Internet, he's going in the interface.

[David]

This is his experience. Yeah.

[Matt]

In the interface. In the instance initially, we had just heard that they leave, they don't come back. They leave, they come back, they tell stories and then they die. But now this guy is experiencing it.

[David]

Well, it's. It's.

[Matt]

He went through the interface and heard like, laughing, screaming, laughing.

[David]

I believe even later on he will say he. That. That screaming, laughing. Actually a separate chapter. That was a short little blip chapter.

[Amy]

Now that was like a scientific excerpt, whatever.

[David]

But he will even describe later on of being like, not so sure that he even had these experiences where once upon a time he was very sure.

[Amy]

That's why, you know, drowning himself in liquor.

[David]

Yeah. In his sobriety, he. He becomes distant from it and he's like. I don't even know if any of that was real.

[Matt]

Fair response.

[David]

All right.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Let's hear her song. Floating on the cool air Soft singing from the grave Watching the flesh interface process known as embrace is kind of like watching those Japanese subway groping videos, by the way.

[David]

Now it's a different narrative.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

It was honestly the first thing I thought of when I watched it. But of course, I wasn't going to put that in the official report. You ever seen those videos? Oh, you wouldn't admit it if you had right.

[Matt]

Who's playing the piano?

[Narrator/Storyteller]

It's a whole show. Not the most progressive stuff in terms of gender equality, but compelling nonetheless. The video starts with a woman standing in the subway, minding her own business. When some guy starts feeling her up, she protests demeanorly and attempts to deflect his roaming hands. He persists. Other men on the subway, perhaps sensing her weakness, joined in the groping. A sort of group madness takes over the subway occupants. The men are transformed from ordinary travelers into agglomerated masses of arms and hands and fingers, grabbing every part of the woman's body. The woman's attempts at protecting her personal space are always absurdly ineffectual, and soon she is divested of her clothing. Depending on the video subgenre, a variety of acts ensues, most of which surely violate local transportation. Statues embrace is kind of like that. That combined with a school of piranha stripping a live cow of its flesh,

[David]

saying, that's what it's like to go into the interface. That's terrible.

[Amy]

It's pretty terrible. Here's. This is the part, I think.

[David]

Iwo Jima, I think this is it.

[Amy]

So just imagine, though, you're. You're following this on Reddit and each of these subsections are dropped, like today, tomorrow.

[Matt]

Can you listen to it like this on Reddit or it's typed out on it.

[David]

It's typed out and you're only. You might only find one of these one day.

[Matt]

Somebody recently made it into audio.

[David]

Not recently, no.

[Amy]

Maybe nine years ago.

[Matt]

But Reddit more or less. Twitter, you just go on and you're like, oh, let me read this.

[David]

Not like Twitter, they don't let you say faggot or make fun of black people.

[Matt]

2016, you couldn't on Twitter either, right?

[David]

Well, you still can.

[Amy]

It's just a forum. It's a forum of, like, you know, people are commenting. Like, I go on there for, like, my 3D printer. I'm like, this happened. And then I look for shit. And there's different people saying, maybe this, maybe that, maybe this. And you could just read through, and it's from years ago or maybe more recent. That's what he's doing. But he might even just go on like a 3D printing form and just

[David]

drop one of that. That excerpt.

[Amy]

So people are finding his shit and putting it all together.

[Matt]

3D printer people seem like the type to it.

[David]

Although, to be perfectly honest, like this. He was using the same username, so they could. Yeah, you could just click on his username and then you could see everything he ever posted. But if you didn't do that, you might just come across one of these and be like, what the fuck?

[Amy]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

Lying in the hold listening to the bombardment. There is no sleep. Booming of the guns travel through the shivering metal of the ship. Hour after hour without end. The arsenal of democracy.

[David]

I love this by the way. Panda says this is him replying to something like, what's your favorite Pokemon type? And he just posts something like this. Completely schizo. Chef's kiss. Yes. Panda, fly 100. That's a great. A great way of putting.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

It rains down on the tiny island. What could it be like for the Japs, huddled in their bunkers, surrounded, doomed. Do they know they have no hope? Do they expect death? Do they wish for it? Death. The island is death waiting for them. Ancient. Waiting since before they were born. Thousands of young men have crossed the valley. Vast oceans to come to her, following paths they could have never foreseen. Thousands of young lives will converge on her shores. Converge and end. After three days of round the clock bombardment, a clear and bright morning whispers through the hold about problems with the shells. Many of them never exploded, disappeared in the air. There have been stories of bombers being cut in half, of bomb crews emerging limbless from their planes. What is on the island? Some new kind of weapon, Something the Japanese have been saving until now. Just talk. The men feel the death out there waiting on the island.

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[Narrator/Storyteller]

The landing vehicles ride through the waves and the marines climb out onto the beaches of ash. An alien surface crumbling under their boots. There is no fire. No sound but the motors and the clinking of the gear and the sergeant shouting, urging them on. No movement from the interior. Then screams. Bloody stumps. Men cut in half. But still no fire. How is there no fire? More men screaming. Groups of men on the ground howling. Bright red lumps where limbs have been.

[Matt]

How?

[Narrator/Storyteller]

No signs of the Japs. No fire, no shells. More vehicles land. The beaches become a crowded, screaming nightmare. There's something here. Something beyond their understanding. Invisible. Killing at will. Is it the island itself? A few men managed to advance up the steep beaches and across the rocks. But soon they were cut apart as well. Other men follow and advance farther. They have been trained to advance. Take the beach forward, always forward. Slowly the men find their way farther and farther into the island interior. Through horrible trial and error, they begin to understand. They don't speak of their discovery, they don't believe it. But their overwhelming will to go forward and their overwhelming fear of death teach them what their minds cannot accept. Teach them a lesson about the island. They notice tracks of the ash and rock where there is no grass. These tracks are not foot trails, but deep tracks carved at strange angles, striated like dry streams. Places where it seems the ground is simply missing. They realize they must avoid these tracks. If they step onto them or let any part of themselves pass over them, that part will disappear. Whether it is their fingers or feet or limbs or even their heads. Sometimes parts of their bodies disappear, even when they don't cross the tracks. And they realize that there are unseen tracks through the air, invisible boundaries they must not cross. If they lose a part of their bodies, blood does not flow. But there is pain. Pain beyond flames or knives or bullets. Pain unbearable, unholy, inhuman. There are screams all around them of men who have accidentally run afoul of the invisible power. There is no time to understand this, to reason it out. They simply adapt. Moving carefully, holding out blades of wild grass or shirts or gear here, probing, waiting for part of the object to disappear and stopping, testing for a way forward. Sometimes they find it. Sometimes they are forced to turn back. In less than an hour. They have forgotten about the artillery and snipers and bayonets. There are no soldiers. Soldiers only entrances to empty bunkers, abandoned pieces of artillery, some cut in half, but no enemy. They're playing a new game now, taught to them by some unseen teacher. Playing it with total concentration. Playing and winning. The Marine wounded with their strange, unbleeding wounds are taken away. Their screams fade. Orders from command are unchanged. Take the island. They move forward, up towards Mount Suribachi. The mountain is shaped like a bull, a dead volcano. They approach by various paths, each man following another. Like a narrow path of safety, makeshift markers are set up to show their boundaries. A Marine turns and sees, floating like a butterfly, a severed human arm. It turns and floats away and disappears altogether. Minutes later, a disembodied pair of legs. Lakes scramble past. The Marines curse and speculate and even giggle, but keep moving forward. There is no time to understand. They expected to spend weeks taking the island. Now it seems they could have it in a couple of hours. A shot rings out. The first shot sends the confusion of the landing. A Marine is firing at the mountain. Others peer through their binoculars and spy a man sitting on the rim of the mountain, simply sitting alone, just a vague shape. Snipers are called in and they fire on him. But the island's air seems to swallow the bullets. The man is untouched. They pressed forward. The deadly tracks wind around them, growing more numerous. Some of the men find themselves at dead ends. One Marine slips and disappears entirely. Not so much as a shout. They come to the foot of the mountain. It is small, but rugged and steep, and the lone man sits over them, looking down on them. I hear the sounds now, coming from the other side of the ridge, coming from within the giant bowl of the mountain. Human voices, many of them, thousands. The sounds of laughter, giggling, cackling and howling. Laughter like a wonderful party where somebody is telling a hilarious story. The Marines listen to it, dumbfounded. Slowly, laughter fades. There is a new sound, strange rushing roar that quickly breaks apart into discreet sounds. Screams, shouts, gasps, weeping, terror. The sound rises and rises, and the Marines shudder. This, too, fades, and the laughter returns. So these two sounds trade places, over and over, fading in and out above the sounds of the waves. A Marine trains his binoculars on the mountain again. The man is still sitting there, Japanese, wearing a uniform. His head is floating several feet above his body. The body is in several pieces, with lines of sunshine between them. His face, sweat dripping over the smooth eyelids, shows no emotion. Slowly he raises his hand as if to wave to them, and his fingers float away from his palm. They crawl up the mountain, bare hands on sharp volcanic rock. The sun beats down on them. It's a grueling test. The island has a secret that it doesn't want to reveal. They draw close to the man at the top of the mountain, keeping their guns trained on him. He has no weapons. His body is fragmented, like an image in a broken mirror. Various pieces floating without connection. The brightness of the sky shining between them. The blood of his insides bright red. His head is like a balloon, floating several feet over the rest of him. Hello, America. The head calls, breaking into a sickly smile. The whites of the eyes are clustered with with red hemorrhages. Sweat rolls down the face. The Marines don't know how to respond. They ask if he's armed. The question strikes one of them as funny, and he giggles. A tide of giggling comes from the other side of the ridge, behind the fragmented man. The giggling turns to scream. What's going on here? You alone? A Marine asks. The man doesn't seem to understand. One of the Marines tries. His basic Japanese man makes a sour face. No Nippon Korea. Korea person, the man says, and a disembodied hand points to a nearby fragment of his chest. I Christian, the man says. He pulls a necklace out of his shirt. On the end of it is a small metal cross. A tiny suffering Jesus gleams in the sun. The Marine tries English again. What's happening here? The devil came here. What? The soldiers had built a gate. The child with the command. I don't understand. A wide smile splits the Korea man's face. He lets out a laugh and the smile flees, and suddenly he is weeping. His emotions seem to follow the giggles and screams that come from inside the mountain. The Marines feel it too, a strange urge to laugh, followed by a harrowing fear. The sound beyond the ridge rises, the screams becoming higher and louder.

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[Narrator/Storyteller]

A wave of manic giggling joins the screaming, so that both sounds fill the air at once. An electric feeling touches the skin on the Marines arms. They find their minds filling with strange, dark thoughts. Somewhere in a castle in Japan lies a mad God Emperor who has sent his men across the ocean to defend his glorious empire with their blood. On the other side of the world lies a great humming factory called America, the heart of an empire of commerce which once forced Japan to join the world in trade. Machines and flesh now flow along tendril like courses, delivering goods and death, ensnaring the globe. The sun goes dark like a light switch turning off. The Marines instinctively duck, then look up and gasp. Above them, extending miles into the sky, is an enormous metallic cylinder filling the sky, blocking out the sun. It spins slowly above them, pieces of it flickering and disappearing like the image in a broken movie projector. In a day filled with madness, they find themselves confronted with something wholly beyond their capacity for surprise. They simply mutter soft curses and get closer to the ground. The earth seems to tremble with the sound of the screaming and laughing, which swirls like a storm all around Them somewhere near the beach, a Marine pats another Marine on the back, interrupting his stunned gawking, and shouts something into his ear. A second Marine pats the man in front of him. The message goes up the line like this until it reaches the Marine talking to the fractured man. Pull back. They are to withdraw from the island. The men do not question the order for a moment. They turn and crawl away from the Korean. Below them, the ashen island flashes with pieces of sunlight that manage to slip through the flickering cylinder. When they are almost at the foot of the mountain again, the man stands up and shouts something over the hideous screaming. The Marines cannot hear it and would not understand it anyway. A rough translation being the devil took Jesus went to the mountain to show him all the kingdoms of the world. Glory if you fall down and worship me Me saying I will give it all to you. Many people believe that Michael Jackson died to pro.

[David]

Oh, this is. Dude, the next part is so great.

[Amy]

We have. Yeah, we have to cut it.

[David]

We'll start that next time. Yeah, Michael Jackson and Propofol is fantastic, man.

[Amy]

So.

[David]

So what do you think, Matt?

[Matt]

I don't know. Yeah. Oh, you know what that reminds me of? Me and my boy Chalk used to do these painkillers for people that had phantom pains, bro, that if they had like a limb cut off.

[David]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

I don't know how.

[Matt]

I don't know how Chuck got all these. Sorry about that. I don't know how Chuck got all these pain meds, but he had. He was in the military and he had boys in the military that had limbs cut off. And so he just had like these pain meds. They were like Vicodins and Norco type of pain meds, but specifically for people with phantom pains where, like, a limb was cut off. So we used to take them. Yeah, like in the morning I'd have a couple like, Red Bulls or whatever. Like, Chuck, you got any of them phantom pills?

[David]

That's insane.

[Matt]

So kind of reminded me of that. But this is all just crazy stuff.

[David]

Pandafly, this story's wild. I'm going to go ahead and use Panda Fly's description here. So the Japanese turned the entire mountain into a flesh interface comprised of the Korean Christians, Japanese soldiers, and probably civs, civilians too, as flesh fodder. So the Japanese intelligence agencies that are, you know, integrating or working with this thing, they sent.

[Amy]

They sent them there.

[David]

They did this. They turned a collapsed volcano, a dormant volcano, into a flesh interface.

[Amy]

What is the cylinder that's floating above the.

[David]

No, no, no. It's the fucking Cylinders that. These big metallic cylinders that seem to erupt out of the earth.

[Matt]

Same ones from the very beginning that the Soviets tried to bomb, but it was up too high.

[David]

Same shit. Not the same one, but the same one. These happen in portals. The soldier was to lure the American soldiers into the mouth of the portal. And then Panda also goes on to say the cylinder form as a tower of Babel of sorts above the interfaces. So really, really, really interesting. Pandafly just crushing right now says that that's a comparison to the Bible where. Yeah. The devil is tempting Jesus at the top of the mountain. Right. That's what the. The Japanese guy spouted off there right at the end. You know, if. If. How. How does Satan or the devil have the ability to offer these things? Because he's the. The king of this world, man. Really? Really. But in terms of storytelling. Yeah, that's one of the more gripping ones where like you shut the up and you listen to that whole thing because the pacing and the. The mood of it all is so you just want to know what happens next.

[Matt]

Like what the fuck goes good with the pizza? It's like, you gotta have some food for a story like that.

[David]

Yeah. What's the stamp on this? I'm gonna finish it today so that.

[Amy]

It's a great idea. We should definitely have the time since. But we know which story we ended at the timestamp.

[David]

If you're on the members feed, we are at the one hour and three minute mark. We made it through an hour of it. So that means only one hour, three

[Amy]

minutes and 28 seconds.

[David]

Now we have just nine more hours to go.

[Amy]

We're doing good.

[David]

We actually are doing really great.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. I think we're nailing it.

[Amy]

I don't know if Matt will make it through this. This is. This is a lot too much.

[Matt]

I can't track with all this. Dude.

[David]

Do you like it?

[Amy]

I mean, do you like it though?

[Matt]

It's just creepy, bro. It's like. It's very creepy.

[Amy]

Yeah.

[David]

But as far as like, good job.

[Matt]

Porthole portals like this.

[David]

Don't say vaginal.

[Amy]

Vaginal.

[David]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Vagina portals. Like, it's just creepy and weird and bodies chopped and like, I don't. It's not really what I spend my time meditating on. But I mean, as long as we're in this.

[David]

I know, but as far as like a story goes, like, you love this kind of stuff. I. I'm such a fan of the

[Amy]

way that's just happy to be here.

[David]

You're just happy to be Part of the gang, huh?

[Amy]

Feels like good old times again.

[David]

Yeah, like.

[Amy]

Like from, like last month or something.

[David]

Feels like the Albarino. We were watching the documentaries. That's what this feels like. That's what he tried to do with the pizza.

[Matt]

We had great times with the Albarino movies.

[David]

I love when. When they're describing, you know, the Marines poking and prodding with long stalks of grass to try to determine where these. These.

[Matt]

Yeah, to find out if what's gonna get chopped off.

[David]

Yeah, man. It's horrific. Such a great job. It feels.

[Matt]

But what are we. We're just talking about, like, the craziest

[David]

dark acid trip, so eventually.

[Amy]

Well, this is just like a te. This is like a testimony story of. I like how it jumps in between personal testimony.

[David]

Oh, wait for the penis trees.

[Matt]

Okay, but wait, but this doesn't tie into any of your guys, MK Ultra or.

[David]

It does. And what. What we're going through right now, the

[Matt]

things where you stick the thing and

[David]

the limb goes off, it seems chaotic. Like. Like it's just a bunch of random. Eventually, through enough of these stories, you determine what the patterns are. You go, okay, I know the elements now. I can see how the elements are appearing from one seemingly unrelated story in an unrelated time and how it relates to these other stories that we've heard. Some of them are really subtle, too. Like, if you don't catch it, it just keeps moving.

[Amy]

That's why I'm reading a long essay.

[David]

That's a grab, because I gotta do that.

[Amy]

Well, I sent you the transcript.

[David]

Oh, that's right. It's right up here.

[Amy]

It's good to read it because sometimes you'll zone out a little bit, but if you have it right there, you can kind of go back and say, what did you say right there?

[David]

You can lock into it a really, really great story. And I didn't catch that. Panda said that this idea of using Christians, Christian, Koreans, Japanese, and. And also civilians to create this. This flesh interface. Man, I'm excited you're gonna keep watching or listening to this with us. You're gonna do this whole series because we're in now. We got nine more hours.

[Matt]

No, no, no, no.

[Amy]

Oh, come on.

[Matt]

No, I love this, but I know there's people in the chat that don't like when I come on the shows.

[David]

And this thing where he wants you

[Matt]

to pay for this. Dude, no. It's the right thing to.

[David]

Amy does say, let's not make a habit this. So I guess you're echoing.

[Matt]

She's a paying customer.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

All right.

[Matt]

Am I supposed to come on and ruin her day every time we do a show? As much as I enjoy it. Do that.

[Amy]

Never let a girl bully you out of your space from chilling with your boys.

[David]

No, but I've seen it happen

[Amy]

right now.

[David]

Bearing witness to it at this very moment.

[Amy]

Damn. This is different.

[David]

Fishing for compliments. I know.

[Amy]

This is a different episode of nds, I think, but it's fun.

[David]

I'm having so much fun.

[Matt]

No, I'm really not. I'm just saying that, like, it's not fair to people that pay if they don't genuinely en. They're like, you guys are always doing your thing. Here comes this guy talking about the Bible and interrupted and going, wait, what? Like interrupting. He's not a pro podcaster. They have a right. Look there.

[Amy]

A one to one.

[Matt]

They have a right to say that.

[Amy]

Yes. Come ruin the show.

[David]

Yeah. See, Worried about your spirit? She's like, I love Matt, but it's not his thing.

[Amy]

So she just know she's saying more Matt.

[David]

Yeah, she's saying like, don't make him do it if it's not his.

[Amy]

I said this indiscernible stuff.

[David]

No, that's not indiscernible stuff. That's the Matt face.

[Matt]

I think it's great. I just don't want to ruin it for people that don't enjoy when I come on and do the every man view, you know, Mama Lou.

[Amy]

I don't even know who Mama Lou is. We love Matt, but that's.

[David]

It's just Amy says it and he goes, that's too much for me.

[Amy]

Yeah, Amy's. Amy's. Her opinion holds a lot of weight though. I. I understand.

[Matt]

No way. I didn't think that until when David, like, was in such cahoots with her.

[David]

But look, if she says something that's true, I'm not going to ignore her.

[Matt]

I know, but her thing is that she's like never wants me on the scene ever.

[Amy]

Oh, my God.

[Matt]

Agree with her. So I don't want to do that.

[Amy]

Someone needs attention. And then Nick G. Goes, we want Matt.

[David]

Matt rules Matt. Nick says, amy, that's not. No, don't say.

[Matt]

I care about Amy a lot. I. Who knows what her story is? Cares about you and her story. Probably. You know, we don't.

[David]

But you do need attention.

[Matt]

Yeah, but when the Raven also doesn't like it, then I don't. Then I know I've pushed too far.

[David]

I don't like.

[Amy]

No, I think it's breathe.

[David]

Not like that. Not like the way you breathe. Change up the way you breathe.

[Matt]

You see what I'm saying? It's everything.

[Narrator/Storyteller]

The end is written in the book,

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in the pages they foresee.