Nephilim in the Ozarks w/ Nicholas J Daigle

Summary

Nephilim in the Ozarks w/ Nicholas J Daigle

Nephilim Death Squad Biblical Conspiracy – January 14, 2026
Hosts: Top Lobsta & David Lee Corbo ("Raven") | Guest: Nicholas J. Daigle

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the intersection of biblical narratives and American archaeology, focusing on the possibility of Nephilim (biblical giants) in the Ozarks. Featuring guest and author Nicholas J. Daigle ("Genesis 6 and the Ozarks"), the discussion unpacks evidence for giants in the USA, debates theological interpretations of Genesis 6, and dives into local Ozark legends, burial practices, and their connections to broader spiritual and conspiracy frameworks.

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Main Discussion Points and Insights

1. What Are the Nephilim? (06:40–13:54)

• Origin of the Topic: Nicholas Daigle shares how reading Genesis 6 led him on a two-year personal journey into obscure biblical mysteries, having previously been unfamiliar with the Nephilim.
• Biblical Text: Genesis 6 briefly mentions the "sons of God" mingling with the "daughters of men," producing "mighty men of renown," before the flood narrative.
• Mainstream Interpretations:
  • Sethite View: The "sons of God" are seen as Seth’s descendants and the "daughters of men" as Cain’s. However, Daigle challenges this, noting:

    "These children aren't coming out 9, 10, or 11 foot tall. So... I don't feel like that one really holds weight." (Nick J. Daigle, 10:09)

  • Supernatural View: Hosts and guest lean towards "Beneha Elohim" meaning divine or angelic beings—directly referencing angels, not humans.
  • Cross-Cultural Parallels: Demigod motifs across world mythologies (Greek, Sumerian, Celtic) mirror the Nephilim narrative.

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2. Evidence for Giants in America & the Ozarks (22:55–54:42)

• Historical Research Techniques:
  • Daigle scoured old plot maps, newspaper archives, and books, focusing particularly on Springfield, Missouri and surrounding areas.
  • Cites researchers like Tom Horn, L. A. Marzulli, and Fritz Zimmerman, who document giant skeleton finds in early 20th-century newspapers.
• Key Findings:
  • Sterling Newberry: Baptist pastor and amateur archaeologist in Springfield, MO, found elaborate artifacts (possible Aztec pottery, bear idols), and a seven-foot skeleton in a burial mound. (37:19–39:01)
  • Burial Mounds: Ozark region contains unique "spoke burial mounds," with bodies arranged radiating out like wheel spokes, suggesting solar or sun-worship significance. (42:43–45:22)
  • Smithsonian Involvement: Many giant skeletons promptly taken by Smithsonian representatives, with local discoveries often falling into obscurity.
  • Cannibalism Evidence:
    • Parallels between bone findings in Missouri and the famed Lovelock Cave in Nevada, with bones broken for marrow—suggesting cannibalistic practices among ancient giants. (65:00–67:41)
• Direct Experience:
  • Daigle and colleagues have visited and found artifacts at these sites, noting how most Americans walk atop historic burial mounds without realizing their significance.

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3. Theological & Linguistic Explorations (13:55–21:53)

• Scriptural Language:
  • Examines "Beneha Elohim," highlighting its consistent usage as "sons of God" in Job (20:41), tied to divine council/angels rather than humans.
• Implications:
  • Accepting a supernatural biblical worldview allows a broader interpretation of ancient mysteries:

    "Everything in the Bible is supernatural... So this really... is not that much more out there than anything else that I claim or Christians claim to believe." (Nick J. Daigle, 24:03)

  • Recognizing this filter helps reconcile moral and historical conundrums (such as OT violence and bloodlines).

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4. Hybridization, Cryptids, and the Scope of ‘Nephilim’ (51:35–54:42)

• Expanding the ‘Nephilim’ Definition:
  • Nephilim as a broad category for genetic/spiritual hybrids—not just giants, but also dwarfs, and possibly even "cryptids" (dogman, American monsters), referencing hybridization in ancient mythologies and the animal-headed gods of Egypt.
  • Hosts tie this to Leviticus prohibitions about defects, suggesting spiritual or ritual reasons for excluding certain hybrids from priesthood.
  • Speculation on cryptids or little people in Native American folklore as possible offshoots of Nephilim hybridization.

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5. Native American Connections and Rituals (54:43–63:19)

• Story of Harry Starlight:
  • An Osage chief, Harry Starlight, befriended Newberry, inviting him to a ritual involving fire (possibly for contacting ‘little people’). The event turned tense and supernatural overtones were strong—Daigle suggests the bear idol from this event could connect to ritual shape-shifting or skinwalking. (54:42–60:10)
  • The bear idol bore a cross and a crescent moon, raising the topic of astrological or pagan symbolism.

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6. Archaeoastronomy and Advanced Prehistoric Civilizations (67:56–71:13)

• Mound Alignments and Solar Events:
  • Discovery that mounds, caves (with possible Viking runes), and burial sites around Springfield align with solstices, suggesting advanced archaeoastronomical knowledge among pre-Columbian cultures.
  • Artifacts and structures diverge from expected Native American designs, hinting at earlier or outside influences.

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7. Spiritual Ramifications, Biblical Justifications, & The Flood (86:01–108:00)

• Re-examining Biblical Judgments:
  • Understanding why God commands total destruction of certain peoples—ties back to the corruption of bloodlines and hybridization.
  • Grace and Judgment: Hosts and guest reflect on God’s grief (Gen 6:6), suggesting total destruction was both just and merciful to prevent deeper spiritual decay:

    "His grace actually meets his judgment too, because the judgment was wiping it all out. But was that also grace?" (Nick J. Daigle, 102:18)

• Noah’s “Perfection”:
  • Argued that God spared Noah not for moral perfection, but for untainted genetics, protecting the human bloodline from further Nephilim infiltration.

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8. Nephilim After the Flood & Modern Implications (92:54–103:09)

• Post-Flood Hybrids:
  • Genesis 6:4 ("and afterwards") implies repeated incursions or other supernatural events post-Deluge, possibly connected to modern ‘alien abductions’ and cryptid sightings.
• Spiritual Warfare & Demons:
  • Draws on the Book of Enoch:
    • Demons interpreted as disembodied spirits of pre-flood Nephilim (99:39).
• Hybridization & Inheritance:
  • Discussion on whether modern-day attempts (alien/demonic) to create human hybrids are attempts to reclaim some lost spiritual inheritance.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the nature of the Nephilim (10:09):

  "I mean, if you logically just think about it, that I don't feel like [the Sethite view] really holds weight for that simple fact." – Nick J. Daigle

• On the supernatural worldview (24:03):

  "Everything in the Bible is supernatural... So this really... is not that much more out there than anything else that I claim or Christians claim to believe." – Nick J. Daigle

• On biblical archeology (39:39):

  "I know there's going to be a day where... We're going to have to put him down, dude, because his quality of life is just diminishing so much. But in the meantime, that's where I can come in." – Nick J. Daigle (on being a hospice nurse)

• On the scope of Nephilim (51:41):

  "It's almost like Nephilim is a generalized term for something that's a hybrid. Not necessarily ... giants ... but it's anything that is not fully human." – Nick J. Daigle

• On God's judgment and grace (102:18):

  "His grace actually meets his judgment too, because the judgment was wiping it all out. But was that also grace? Because it was such an abomination that it would just kept leading us into further and further and further sin, hardening of hearts and darkness." – Nick J. Daigle

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• [06:40]–[13:54] – Defining the Nephilim, biblical and extrabiblical perspectives
• [22:55]–[39:01] – Evidence for giants in the Ozarks: artifacts, burial mounds, historic finds
• [42:43]–[54:42] – Types of mounds in the Ozarks, Native American burial practices, connection to giants
• [54:43]–[63:19] – Ritual encounter with "little people" and bear idol symbolism
• [67:56]–[71:13] – Prehistoric civilizations and archaeoastronomy
• [86:01]–[108:00] – Spiritual ramifications of hybridization, biblical worldview on the flood and judgment
• [92:54]–[103:09] – Post-flood Nephilim, demons, inheritance, modern hybridization attempts

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Further Resources & Where to Find More

• Book: Genesis 6 and the Ozarks by Nicholas J. Daigle, available on Amazon.
  (Limited-time free eBook offer mentioned for Patreon members at [05:09])
• Community: Join the Nephilim Death Squad Facebook Community Group for continued discussion and direct links from Nick Daigle [110:40]
• Referenced Authors: L.A. Marzulli, Tom Horn, Fritz Zimmerman, Timothy Alberino, Michael Heiser

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Tone & Style

The episode balances irreverent humor, in-depth research, and a strong biblical worldview. The style is energetic, sometimes conspiratorial, occasionally crude, but ultimately earnest about exploring spiritual mysteries through both faith and open-minded investigation.

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For listeners interested in biblical mysteries, American hidden history, and the greater conspiracy of hybridization in history and today, this episode offers an accessible entry point and a wealth of leads for further exploration.

Transcript

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Nick J. Daigle]

Right now.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Top Lobster]

Discount codes over toplobster.com I really want to get into this episode. I feel like we've been, like, just taking a long time.

[David Lee Corbo]

We have. Well, we've been taking an hour for those of you who are listening and you might be. What do you mean? If you're watching live on Patreon, which the whole chat is here, and they've been waiting patiently for an hour because we don't understand. Introduce the guest time zones. Joining us today is Nicholas Daigle. I should have asked you how to pronounce that last name before the show started. Did I nail it or no?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, you got it right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, nice. Nicholas is here to talk about Genesis 6, the Nephilim, and specifically the Ozarks here in America. Before we do, let's talk about where people can find your work, where they can find your book, which is Genesis 6 and the Ozarks.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So first I want to apologize because it's my fault we're late. I screwed up the time zones.

[David Lee Corbo]

It takes three people to screw up. I've been blaming Matt. He's not even on this episode.

[Top Lobster]

I said.

[David Lee Corbo]

I said it right.

[Top Lobster]

The show's at 11am Eastern Standard Time. He goes, that's 12 Central for me. And I go, probably. And it's all. It's all mixed up from there, but we're doing it. We're good.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're good.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So you can go to find my book on. At Amazon and you just type in Genesis 6 in the Ozarks and it will go bring you straight there. Right now I'm actually running a special for five days and it ends tomorrow for a free ebook. So if anyone wants to take advantage.

[Top Lobster]

Of that.

[David Lee Corbo]

That'S awesome. That's a. That's a heck of a deal. Free. A free ebook For.

[Nick J. Daigle]

For.

[David Lee Corbo]

When does it end?

[Nick J. Daigle]

It ends tomorrow at 11:59 Central Standard Time.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Patreon are the only ones that are gonna get that. Guys, if you're on the Patreon. You should be scrambling to get that because 3pm tomorrow, 12pm sometime in the middle of the day, guys. Patreon members go and go and get that before. What was that? The entire title there? Can you bring that one back on the screen there? Top. I just want to. Genesis 6 and the Ozarks, a compilation book on the Christian perspective of proof that the biblical giants were right in our backyards. Okay, this is. This is going to be a fascinating topic because so much of our discussions when it. When it's on the topic of the Nephilim is the remnants, the bones, where they're found. You can tell by the bones and where they're often seen swept up by like, let's say the Smithsonian and then discarded somewhere in the Hudson is. Is a lot of the running speculation. I love this topic because people don't look at America like this is a place where you can find this sort of hidden history. I mean, I know we're getting comfortable with that with Tartari and everything, but we look to other places. We look to Egypt, we look to Sumer. Right. We look to the Aztecs, the. The Maya and all of their. Because they have megalithic structures. But of course, here in America, we have things, right? We've got the mounds. What sort of evidence have you found? You know, in our own backyard.

[Top Lobster]

Before we get into that, can we just start at the beginning? Because your book.

[David Lee Corbo]

The beginning.

[Top Lobster]

The beginning, your book does a really good job of breaking it down for the person who doesn't really understand this. And I feel like that's an important place to get into it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are we asking, what are the Nephilim?

[Top Lobster]

What are the Nephilim?

[Nick J. Daigle]

I mean, yeah, this book is about what I found here in the Ozarks, particularly to Springfield, Missouri. That's where I'm. I reside at. But it's also kind of a biography, I guess you could say, where it goes along my journey over the past two years of discovering what these Nephilim were. It's never been something I had ever even heard about. So I'd say about two years ago, I started to read Genesis. You know, reading through Genesis 1 through 3, you hear the creation story, you hear that's in Sunday school. So you. I'm tracking with all that. Then I get into right before the flood, there's this. Genesis 6 talks about the sons of God going into the daughters of man and creating these Nephilim. So I had never really. And then it goes right into the flood. So it. It almost seemed out of place at first. And that's whenever. That's what kind of started me on my journey of discovering what these nephilim were, what these beans were in the footnotes. Sorry, what's up?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, go ahead, go ahead. I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Go ahead. Notes. It said giants. So, like, I mean, I had heard about pretty. The famous giant David and Goliath, but, you know, this whole time I always knew about the different giants in the Bibles and the Bible, but I wasn't. I didn't really quite understand the whole conspiracy behind it. I just thought they were really tall people. So that's kind of what got me on my. My journey and even led me to write this book.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, the conventional explanation for this, right. A lot of people, they. They recoil at the idea that the sons of God came into the daughters of men. And, you know, it implies that there's some sort of a copulation and that these women, the daughters of men, gave birth to these nephilim, which are men of renown, mighty men, men of renown. Yeah, but people will recoil at the idea that. That the sons of God means angels because angels don't have a physical form. Although, you know, there are instances throughout the Bible where that's up for debate. Hasn't been put to rest. The conventional explanation here is that the sons of God are the sons of Seth. Are you familiar with. With what that explanation really entails? Because that's a big dividing line between people on this. On this particular topic.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. And I mean, I'm pretty sure that's kind of what I thought at first until I really started to get into it. I meant. And I use people like La Mort, like I used him, La Marzulli, Tom Horn, Albarino. Different people.

[David Lee Corbo]

We don't speak his name here.

[Top Lobster]

Watch your mouth.

[David Lee Corbo]

Edit that out. We gotta edit that out. Nancy, edit that out.

[Nick J. Daigle]

All right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Please continue.

[Nick J. Daigle]

That one guy that you know, dude. So I looked at a bunch of their pod, different podcasts with them and different documentaries that they were in to good man. Get an understanding of what these sons of God were. The problem that I have with the whole Sethite view, so Sethite view is the idea that the descendants of Seth made it with the descendants of Cain creating the nephilim. The problem that I have with that is even now we see people who are unequally yoked. You see someone who's a Christian with non Christians and they are having children. These children aren't coming out 9, 10, or 11 foot tall. So that's I mean, if you logically just think about it, that I don't feel like that one really holds weight for that simple fact.

[David Lee Corbo]

People do say that the. When we say giants or when the Bible talks about people that are tall, if you look back into antiquity, people were much smaller. So when you come across a race of people that is 6ft plus, well, that's considered a giant. I've seen people say that, and I just go, man, that seems like they.

[Top Lobster]

Say that actually about the Tamukiwa Tamukua Indians that are here in, in Leesburg, Florida.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

They're. They're rumored to have been giants, but then, you know, modern science will say, well, no, no, they were just bigger than other people. Yeah, but their history says giants, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but I guess people, you know, back in the day, they just did, you know, that's a tall person. You call him a giant. Case closed.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I'm 62, so I'd be considered a giant.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, Right. And you know, I can understand that if everybody in the world was like me at the time and you had like a bunch of, you know, six foot tall people come over, you might go like, well, I mean, it would be at least part of the vernacular you would use to describe them.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but. Well, how, how tall was Goliath though? In.

[Nick J. Daigle]

In the book, wasn't he speculated to be like 9 to 10ft tall? I believe. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Which is on the smaller side of what. Yeah, I think the giants were, but still nine foot tall. Dude walks in the coffee shop, we're gonna be like, what the hell?

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, how big is Jack? Jack's like seven, eight, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's still a full. Then taller than Shaq is, which is like, that's. Yeah, it's gonna turn some heads. You're definitely gonna use the word giant to describe that guy. That would be one of the. I wouldn't use it. I wouldn't say. If you were like, describe this dude to me who's like six feet tall. I would use. I would go to a bunch of, what color was his hair, what color was his skin, what color was his eyes? You know, you know, things like that. I wouldn't immediately. That would be down the list. But if a dude that's 9ft to 12ft tall walks through the door. The very first word that I'm going to use to describe him is if you said, what do you look like? He was huge. He was a giant. So I don't see that being as applicable to six feet tall. But then again, I'm not part of the ancient world. Maybe that was an, you know, something quite abnormal.

[Nick J. Daigle]

But so let's even think about Goliath. If he was only 6 to 7ft tall, why would all of Israel cower?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's a solid point.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I mean, because even, yeah, King Saul was probably six and a half, seven foot because he was a whole head taller than everyone else. So he was a pretty tall guy. And even he cowered, he wanted someone to fight the battle for him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. That's a really good point.

[Top Lobster]

I think also the description of the Nephilim of the giants is something we talk about a lot is what were they? Their, their ratio something like 2 to.

[David Lee Corbo]

3, 1 to 2. So they were half as wide, allegedly as they were tall. Which is crazy. That's wild. That's like if a dude is, is nine feet tall, he's four and a half feet wide. And that now that is a different story. Right now you can understand if you've got a Goliath who's, you know, rumored to be, whatever it is, 9 to 10ft tall and the dude standing at 5ft wide.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Now you get why nobody wanted anything to do with that battle.

[Nick J. Daigle]

And here's another thing you can think of. So a lot of people that get, you know, eight foot tall, like I'm talking about normal humans. I don't know the guy's name from the, was the early 1900s who supposedly got 8 foot tall. But you see him, and Even in his 30s, he's crippled, he's crippling, you know, he uses a cane and he barely can get around him. And these giants, I don't think they didn't have acromegaly. They didn't have any kind of pituitary disorder. They were men of renown. They were mighty men. Well, when you see someone who's 8 foot walking around with a cane because their bones are so elongated that it's, they could break with one fall, that doesn't strike me as someone you'd be afraid of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, I, I, I'm looking at him right now. Maybe I could bring him up on the screen here. But my head, I don't know what his name is.

[Top Lobster]

Abraham Lincoln.

[David Lee Corbo]

Abraham Lincoln was really. And he wore that tall hat too. That just made it a little bit crazier. But yeah, I mean, I imagine that this isn't the end all be all as far as super tall people goes because he is on the thin side. But this is not a guy that I would look at and go. And he would make the. The armies of Israel cower. No, this looks like a guy you could sink an arrow in and you know, he'd have a tall. A long fall. Not really a huge, A huge issue there. So. But you take that guy and you make him a good foot and a half wider or two feet wider, that's a different story. So maybe they were hardier back then, but this guy is 8ft foot, you know, just, just above 8 foot tall. Tallest man in the world was. Give me a second.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Or something like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is that his name? No, this one was Sultan cozen in Turkey. 8 foot 2.8 inches, so. Oh, no, there was another guy. Tallest man was Robert Wadlow. Good call there.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

8Ft 11 inches. So damn near 9ft tall. So. So, you know, pretty considerable. But yeah, to your point, they all look like walking skeletons.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I think what, it's probably what feared what scared Israel is the, the quickness and the accuracy in which these things would. Would move. Like. Yeah, something that big, moving that quick. I mean, I wouldn't be too scared of these guys because they're usually not as coordinated like these big basketball players. There's one guy that's playing for a college, I think in Florida now. He is 7 foot 11. He doesn't even start because he doesn't even play really, because he's not good.

[David Lee Corbo]

Smooths and slow. They move in slow motion too.

[Top Lobster]

They look coordinated. They just stand there with their hands up, you know, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

But imagine 10ft tall, 5ft wide, full of fast twitch muscle fibers, two rows of teeth, six fingers like.

[Top Lobster]

No thanks.

[David Lee Corbo]

No thanks.

[Nick J. Daigle]

And they're proportionate. Everything's proportionate.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. The way it looks here with a Robert Wadlow or otherwise, it looks more like almost like a defect.

[Top Lobster]

Well, genetics, a genetic defect, which is something probably interesting leading down the line in this. In this conversation here.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, yeah. So see, that kind of what. That's kind of what got me on that journey is first start, like I said, I started off my book by talking about the two different narratives. And then that's whenever I started going down, I guess you could say the rabbit hole, the proverbial rabbit hole of the fallen angels mating with the daughters of man and creating these Nephilim giants. And that one, I mean, honestly, if you look at every other culture too, it makes. It fits. Because when you look at the Greeks, the Greeks had the demigods who were supposedly half little G God and then half human. And they were strong, they were revered. I mean, they were Almost gods among men. Well, that would explain what a Nephilim is. Or even the Sumerians. Gilgamesh, he was another one. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Often depicted as carrying a lion, making it look like a small cat.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it's interesting too, because while people, they, they recoil at that idea that these would have been angels, you know, that are the, the fathers of these, these men of renown, these mighty men, that effectively does create a demigod. Right. And you look in every other civilization and there's constant, you know, mentioning of some sort of demigod character. Greek mythology is maybe the most potent, but most of these mythologies of antiquity have some sort of a demigod character. Even, even in FA lore, which is, you know, Celtic kind of lore, same thing. So you have these, these, there's a, there's a separate race of the fey species intermingling with mankind, and then, you know, something else comes out of it. So is it just a coincidence that, you know, for example, the flood of Noah can be seen in all of these other instances across the planet in their mythology, and then here you have the sons of God coming into the daughters of man, creating something different. And then you look at all these other mythologies and demigods are present just.

[Top Lobster]

To backtrack a little bit. Backtrack.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Sons of God again. So sons of God, they're saying that possibly from the Sethite lineage, but the translation in Hebrew is Beneha Elohim. Do you have any, like, justifications for why you would tie that to being a supernatural phenomenon rather than two humans? A son of God, just from that transliteration wouldn't.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Just the fact that it says Elohim.

[David Lee Corbo]

Seems pretty on the nose.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I meant Elohim is something divine. So these sons of God would have had to have come from something divine. Correct.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, is the, is there any other explanation for what Elohim means?

[Top Lobster]

I mean, we are, I, I, I'd argue that we are sons of God. Right. We're created in the image of God. But I mean, I know that this, this translation, this word also is mentioned in the, the book of Job.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, okay. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

When Job is. Sorry. When God is conferring with his divine counsel, so he's talking to other, what I assume to be angels, and then Satan comes up and the story goes. So that for me at least like that, that translation Beneha Elohim is like solidified because it's in two areas and it's referring to actual angels, not like human beings, not just regular people.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, yeah. I Forgot about Job. It is. I'm not sure where it's mentioned in Joe, but I have heard that same expectation.

[Top Lobster]

The second chapter. Right. Like right away, once, once it starts, once they start petitioning God, once Satan starts petitioning God, it's right there. So that's where that translation is. So when I'm talking with like Sons of Seth people, I'm like, well, what does this mean? And they kind of, they usually stumble around it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's why I'm asking, is there a different explanation for what Elohim means? Because as far as my research and it's, you know, it's limited, I'm new to all this, but it's like Elohim means basically a high ranking spiritual entity, like top of the food chain spiritual entity. And so if you're describing these, these Nephilim as what is it? Baneja Elohim.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, no, no, no. They're talking about the angels. So that when they're talking about the Elohim, Elohim is like a classification of entity. Right. It's like God and then angels and then below that you'll have Nephilim and then I guess human. I don't know if human beings are below it necessarily, but like that's kind of like the, the way that they're talking about stuff. Interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. So on the topic of, I guess because, I mean, it just seems like one of those things where it's a sticking point for a lot of people. I don't see it as being that I think that you might be able to have an argument for Sons of Seth in the vacuum of just Scripture alone, but once you include the patterns that are happening in Scripture but also happen across all these other mythologies, I think it really does paint a picture that seems pretty obvious to me. And then otherwise, you know, what then does the Bible make of these giants that we do seem to find? That's what I'm saying. If you detach it, it's like, okay, you know, the Kandahar Giant or any number of other instances of giants throughout history, is it just. No, that's not what the Bible's talking about. And yeah, it does seem to happen, but the Bible just made no mention of it. It's like, you know, it looks like it made a mention of it and explained the nature of it pretty well. So, so in your discoveries, you said you're out in Missouri, is it?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yes. Yeah. Springfield, Missouri. Southeast. No, Southwest Missouri.

[David Lee Corbo]

Southwest Missouri. And, and this is something that you, how did you come about discovering? I guess Traces of. Of Nephilim. Then.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So looking back at old plot maps, I mean, looking back at old newspapers and plot maps. So really what kind of got me on this journey is I read Genesis 6. Then that's when I started to look into these different people who are, I guess you would say, are the experts in this field, Tom Horn being one. Like I said, La Marzulli, the name we do not mention, and a select few other to really kind of grasp an idea. And I even kind of wrestled with it myself that is this true or not? Is this just kind of. It seems a little out there, but when you really just stop and think about it, we believe. I mean, I claim to follow a savior who was born of a virgin, who died on the cross to wipe away the sins of the world. How was this?

[David Lee Corbo]

And then came back.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, and they came back. How is this any more out there, quote unquote than anything else in the Bible? Everything in the Bible is supernatural. I meant the bush that was not consumed, that was burning with Moses, fire falling from the sky and consuming the prophets of baal. Everything in the Bible is supernatural. So this really, if you, I mean, if you just stop and think about it, it's really not that much more out there than anything else that I claim or Christians claim to believe. It's just we've never been taught that. So there's a hesitancy because you don't, I mean, I think those who are following God, you don't want to follow something that would be heresy. Your heart desires to follow the one and true God. So you hear something that you never heard before. You have a little bit of reserve like, oh, is, is this actually of God or is this just a lie that's going to lead me astray? So I think that could potentially be why a lot of people kind of are hesitant to get into this stuff. And even in researching all this, I really felt like there was one point where I was getting a little too down the rabbit hole and I got convicted because God, I feel like God reminded me Jesus needs to always be first. You know, I mean, salvation starts at the cross and salvation starts at what Jesus did and the atonement that he gave for all who believe him. So there, there have been some times where I start to go down the rabbit hole a little bit too much and I have to back out and realized, all right, it all has to be for his glory, not for my knowledge or for my glory.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think on that topic, because that's been something that's been Coming up a lot lately. Right. It's like there is a, a tendency to take like conspiracy, apply it to the Bible and then you know, at some point you do come to a fork in the road where it's like, are you going to continue to follow the conspiracy and all the hidden information? Are you going to start following Christ? Yeah. And, and you might think for a while that you could do those two things. But if you're being earnest, I think you will eventually start to notice like, oh, a lot of these breadcrumbs are meant to actually lead you away, so they'll walk parallel with Christ for a time. But if you insist on leaning on your own understanding, eventually the road forks and it starts to lead you away. And I think that the, the thing that is the, the point of departure where you need to start following Christ instead of the conspiracy is once you get to a healthy understanding of just what you said, the Bible is supernatural, this existence is supernatural. And what that entails then is the intangible. Something that you can't pin down, something that you can't prove and you're not going to have evidence for. Maybe within that realm some of these things can be proven, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt. But otherwise you're, you're chasing cars.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And you gotta just leave them alone and go, there's, I'm not going to understand everything. Holy Spirit will reveal things to me that I need to know. But the main thing here is following Christ. So yeah, I think that's the point of departure for those people that are listening. It's like, I get it, the conspiracies are sexy, they're fun. But like when you get to the point where you can accept that this is supernatural, this book is supernatural, this existence is super supernatural. Damn. It's almost like the work is done there and everything else is follow Christ.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. I mean, and honestly, even studying this, the topic of the Nephilim has increased my faith. I mean I've always believed the Bible was true, but it adds another depth to it, to it that through my discoveries it only solidifies more what I believe to be true.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Solidifies and explains.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

A big hold up for me was like, I was like, hey, why, why would God kill all, all the people in that village? Or why would he command them to kill all the people and the goats and the children and the woman? Like, this is wrong. But that, that is fertile ground for these like, like, what would you call them? Gnostic people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Come in and be like, well that's actually Yaldaboa. Or that's, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And I was like, that's not true. And then you have to read this and understand this part as to why.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Like, there's a bloodline, there is a curse, there's something going on that's deeper than just people versus people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I think that's why the Bible warns, like, lean not on your own understanding, but you should understand that it's supernatural. Because if you can understand that, then you're like, oh, what? There was giants and. And necromancy and all this horrible crap, sorcery going on. Like, this was a corrupt. A spiritually. Oh, okay, I understand it. But if you don't have that worldview at all, then you have no space in the conversation for giants, for. For hybrid chimeric creatures, for. For necromancy and sorcery and all that shit just isn't even on the table. And without that, it's very confusing. Yeah. And then you end up at, like you said, yaldaboath.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. So, yeah. Then I started to watch. After I looked into this stuff, I kind of put it away for a bit, and I started to watch Ancient Apocalypse by Tom, but not Tom by Graham Hancock. I don't know if y' all or not. Well, it's just funny because as I was watching it, I was seeing remnants of the Genesis narrative throughout that whole story or throughout that whole documentary. I meant, it is interesting how every single. Like you said, every single civilization had a flood mythology. We'll call it a mythology, but we know. I mean, it was true. Which now they're saying was the younger Dryas. And then also how in most of those same mythologies, several of them pointed to giants. Wasn't it the Great Pyramid? I think it was the pyramid Kahlua, where the mythology was that giants built that pyramid and climbed up into the top of it to survive the flood, the worldwide flood. And then you have Setsuna, who was. Was at the island of Malta, or she built. She supposedly was a giantess that built Gigantia. So it was just interesting how when I was watching Ancient Apocalypse, how all of the same narrative was. Was fitting into there. Of course, being a man of faith, I believe that the Bible is true. All these other things are just parts of the story. And even if I like to say this, if you're looking at the biblical narrative, so you have Genesis 6, the sons of God come down, they mate with the daughters of man, creating Nephilim. Then the flood comes. And that right there, that corruption of the mixing of the DNA of would explain why God brought the flood. Yes, man is sinful at its core. Without God, we are sinful, but the devil knows how to be a catalyst to plunge us into further sin. And I think that's honestly what the nephilim did. They were taken. I mean, they were probably trying to step in the gap and becoming idols. They were the ones who were wanting to worship. I had this hidden knowledge. They had this hidden knowledge that was given to them by their fallen angel fathers, and they were bestowing that upon man so man would worship and revere them. So, and I meant that's why God had to completely do the great reset. But then right after that, you have the Tower of Babel, which is interesting, because I think where we get all these different flood myths from started at the Tower of Babel. So God confused the language of everyone at the Tower of Babel. Correct. Could end that mass confusion. Every single person remembered a part of the flood, but they didn't remember the whole story. So that's where you get these different. What do you call it? These different variants of the flood myth, because they couldn't quite piece together the true chain of events.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. So it's a weird one, by the way, too, because Graham Hancock has been instrumental in bringing this idea that there was, you know, younger Dryas, this massive worldwide flood. And so even if you're, somebody who's, like, of biblical lean, but then you say, like, well, it might have been localized, it might not have been a worldwide one. Well, even Graham Hancock's research confirms that it was a worldwide, because it's all over all these different continents that are separated by not only miles, but oceans. And it's crazy, because I wonder about Graham Hancock. I wonder if you're looking at these things that intimately. Yeah, Maybe you could say, well, the Bible is just one of the many mythos that talked about this event. And so you can still ignore that sort of element of. Of supernatural and God and Jesus and all these things. And you could put that to the side and go, well, it's. It's unanimous across the board of all these. But then what about the giants thing? You mean to tell me that Graham Hancock hasn't come across the giant element? Of course he has.

[Nick J. Daigle]

If.

[David Lee Corbo]

If idiots like us came across it and we're not even there with our hands on the megalithic structures, then of course, Graham Hancock has, in his exploration, been like, well, I mean, another pattern is giants keep building these things and then dying in the flood. You know, that's the story in Peru too. Like what? You know, okay, anyway, like, at what point is he being willfully ignorant or is he maybe toeing a line because he's trying to be considered a serious person in this archaeological field? You know, Randall Carlson doesn't want to be considered an outcast and a pseudoscientist and a kook. So he's trying to, you know, maintain some air of, of, you know, I don't know, seriousness maybe. Or are they, are they running a narrative? I don't know.

[Nick J. Daigle]

See, I feel like the moment you go against the mainstream narrative, you're automatically a kook. Anyway, so what's the point?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's the thing. Randall Carlson has been completely laughed out of the archaeological community at large. That, you know, the, the, the elite gatekeeping aspect of the archaeological community. So what the hell would be the harm be in being like, I don't know, dude, looks like the Bible says, says a lot of stuff that seems to be true.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's like safe, dangerous, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, safe, dangerous. That's a good point. Yeah.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So see, anyway, what got me to want to research locally is I'm a nurse. I'm a hospice nurse, actually. I have three kids and my wife, she's a teacher at one of the local schools here in the area. I don't have the freedom to be able to just, you know, pack up and go on a week vacation and go to Machu Picchu. I'd love to go see these megalithic sites, but I mean, it's even. I'd like to even go to St. Louis, which is three hours away, and see Cahokia, which has Monk's Mound. And it's, it's like a hundred feet tall. It's the biggest earthen mound in North America. I mean, it's the biggest pyramid known pyramid, I think, in North America. That's the. It's even hard for me to be able to pack up and do that. So I wanted to find if there was anything locally, I meant like within a 30 mile radius. To me, that could point to giants, could point to mound and earthworks, could point to the existence of something other than what I've been taught in the narrative, the mainstream narrative. So I started to look into. I started to look into. I don't know if you ever heard of Fritz Zimmerman.

[David Lee Corbo]

Familiar? Who's that?

[Nick J. Daigle]

So he does a lot of. He has actually a book called Encyclopa. Let me see. I think I have it right here. The Encyclopedia of American Giants in North. Wait, the Encyclopedia of Ancient Giants in North America. So he does a lot of study of the Ohio Mountain, Ohio mounds and Indiana.

[David Lee Corbo]

All those mounds, those are the serpent mounds, right?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yes, all of those. He's done a lot of discovery into that and looking into the old newspaper articles from the early 1800s to the early 1900s where they found skeletons of abnormal size or sometimes skeletons with six digits, double rows of teeth. He's even, I think he's even found some with horned, like giants who had horns on their temple. Yeah, so he's, he's done a lot of that. Well, in that book I found two different seven foot skeletons that were found within Springfield area alone. So that I wanted to take those articles and try and pinpoint the exact location and go search those areas myself.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, there you go.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, so. And that's where it gets me started with my book. So my book talks about a gentleman named Sterling Newberry. Sterling Newberry was a Baptist pastor or missionary Baptist pastor that lived in this area in the 1919s. But he was an amateur archaeologist too. And he found very out of place and ornate artifacts in this area that truly should not have been around here. From pottery that he believed was Aztec in origin to a burial mound where he found a seven foot skeleton. Now I know seven foot's not, I mean, there can be questions with seven foot skeletons, but it is funny that most of these articles is anywhere from seven to 11 or 12 foot skeletons. And in all these different articles, the Smithsonian comes in and takes those bones. So the seven foot skeleton was attractive enough for the Smithsonian to come and claim.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, just to reiterate, the 7ft aspect is one thing. It's an aberration or a pituitary gland defect, whatever it is, you know, something that's screwing up the regulation of the growth hormone. But if it's not some crippled, you know, skinny dude, and it's like this is a proportioned, athletic, like this is a, that's, that's something different. Because as far as I'm concerned, even Shaq, it's like, how old is Shaq? He's maybe in his 40s. Is he? He's like a rare specimen and that he's holding up, he still seems to be doing all right.

[Top Lobster]

Thick, he's well built.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thick.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. But mostly they don't look like that. So. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there is a difference.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, like Kevin Durant. And just off the top of my head, that guy's almost, almost 7ft tall. And he's just kind of like he's not falling apart. But when you look at him, I'm like, this guy looks like a wizard or something. He's like, doesn't look well put together.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Top Lobster]

Shout out to our boy, Owen Benjamin.

[David Lee Corbo]

Owen Benjamin. It seems to be. Well, I look at his hands because he's a farmer and his hands are like, very stumpy. Yeah. It really upsets me because I know there's going to be a day where we have. We're going to have to put him down. Put him down, dude. Because his quality of life is just diminishing so much. But in the meantime, that's where I can come in.

[Nick J. Daigle]

A hospice nurse.

[Top Lobster]

We'll just be petting him. It's okay. It's all right. Oh, and think about the good.

[David Lee Corbo]

He lived a nice life, though. He really did.

[Top Lobster]

On a side note, though, it's interesting that this guy was a Baptist pastor, because in my experience, lately it seems like Baptist. The. The Baptist denomination does not look kindly upon the idea of giants.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Really? Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Every single one that I've run into and they're solid on everything else. And then all of a sudden I go, like, I hear what they're saying about. They'll just say, yeah, you know, you know, Genesis 6 is nonsense. Giants. It's. It's not even like that. I said, what about the Hebrew translation? And they'll just go, I don't read. That's nonsense. I don't read all that.

[David Lee Corbo]

What about the giants? Yeah, like around the planet.

[Top Lobster]

You're using weird words to confuse people. It says giants right here. And I'm like, okay, whatever. It's just strange. But anyway, it's strange that that guy is a Baptist and now he probably has to deal with his discoveries.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Well, yeah. And honestly, all of. All of you would think that these discoveries would have made. Made him famous, but I mean, all of these articles were just buried. I mean, I had to go into the library and then look through old. Look through the archives to actually find stuff on Newberry. I've actually even been able to find his living grandson, and I've been in touch with his grandson. Unfortunately, he didn't really know too much about his father or his grandfather and what was found. He. He knew that his grandfather was an archaeologist and found amazing things, but. But he didn't know the details. Anybody that would have known the details would have been Newberry's children, who have all passed away. The last one was Sterling Newberry Jr. That actually passed away in 2015. So everybody that would have had a detailed knowledge or knew if he would have kept some kind of journal or something. They're. They're gone. So I really had to just lean on old newspaper articles to formulate this book. But I mean, it's just some. Some of the cool. I'll just. I can just kind of give some highlights on some of the cool things that Newbery had found. One of them was in 1932, there is a Fulbright Springs in the northwest part of Springfield. And Fulbright Spring, I believe, was the first spring. Whenever the white settlers came here, the Fulbright family settled that Springfield, and that's what started the expansion of Springfield, Missouri. Well, Newberry went there in 1932, and on the west side, there was a hill there. And on the west side of this hill, they had a burial mound, which was a spoke burial mound. I had never heard of a spoke burial mound before. What it is, is it's usually seven to eight people that are buried. They are buried aligned like the spokes on a wheel.

[David Lee Corbo]

Huh?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So like in a circular motion, you're saying.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, so I've actually gone to that site because that site is now owned by the city and it is. It's a bike trail that goes through the Fulbright area. And I've gone up on that hill and you can actually see the remains of the mound.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting.

[Nick J. Daigle]

You won't know it's a mound unless you actually read the article. It's funny because when I went there, I went there earlier this year, like in the spring, and there was some. Some younger guy in his 20s who was. He had made a mountain bike course throughout it. And I told him, I was like, you know, these are burial mounds, huh? And he didn't believe me. He didn't believe me until I pulled out my phone and showed him the article. And when I said that, he's like, oh, that makes it feel different now. Like, dirty now. Yeah. Like, I don't. I don't know if he ever went back there to mountain bike anymore, but you can. There was two burial mounds that Newberry found. One was the spoke mound burial, and it was seven foot. There were. I mean, that's not seven foot. There was seven skeletons buried like the spokes on a wheel. And I believe. I mean, when I think of the spokes on a wheel, I think it's probably some kind of solar or sun worship.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Nick J. Daigle]

And then a little north of that one was another burial mound, and there was a single individual person buried in that mound, which Newberry believed was some kind of Indian chieftain, the article says, and the Funny thing or the odd thing about that is that chieftain, his face or his skeleton, his skull was painted red. So after he had died, they painted the skull and then they buried him.

[David Lee Corbo]

How these places are, are accessible, you know, it's, it's that when it comes to that sort of things, especially in America, the hidden in plain sight thing really applies because these are often in like public locations that people are, you know, they're hiking or they're, you know, they're walking with their families through. Walking their dogs, mountain biking.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And, and they don't even realize what they're standing on. Well, yeah, no effort made to really obfuscate it in any way.

[Top Lobster]

I say the story all the time. I grew up in Coney island, which is a penins and outside of it there's a neighborhood that surrounds it like this and it's called Gravesend. It's because that's where the graves end. Like that's not. But people kind of look at it and they go, that's where the Italians live. Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

You get that all the time though, right. It's like Hag's Finger Road. And then you find out it's like because there's a, there was a hag here. Like there was an actual witch here that people would encounter. And then eventually it became named this for like whatever.

[Top Lobster]

Now I'm going to build a 5 below here though.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, go to the 5 below on hags Finger Road. No problem. Yeah, so it's, it's weird because when it comes to physical sites, they're, they're, they are pretty accessible. I mean you said you looked what is near me in a 30 mile radius. Oh, actually there's, there's burial mounds and it's like you imagine you have to go elsewhere to find that sort of thing.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. So. So these find these two burial mounds, it doesn't mention anything about giant like tall skeletons. This was two years prior to when he found that seven foot skeleton. But I had never heard of that burial practice of the spoke mound burial where they bury them lined up like the spokes on a wheel. I have a friend who is, who knows Fritz Zimmerman. His name is Kent and he lives here in the Springfield area now too. He told me that there are several spoke mound burials in the mounds in Ohio and Indiana. Well, in 1920 there was a farmer who unearthed a spoke mound burial on his property with eight skeletons buried in it. One of the skeletons was up to 9 foot tall. So I believe that this spoke mound burial, I mean I truly believe it had to be some kind of sun reverence. I mean it had to have been solar. Rev. They were worshiping the sun and it had to have been passed down from the nephilim. I mean especially with the fact that this nine foot, nine footer was found buried in 1920 in Ohio or Indiana, wherever it was at.

[David Lee Corbo]

I wonder in contrast how often we find ancient midgets, you know what I mean? Because like a lot of people you could say like, oh well this is a pituitary gland defect. But it seems like it's pretty common to find this. Not pretty common but I mean like, you know, it's definitely not unheard of to find this nine foot tall skeleton. Seven foot tall skeleton, eight foot, whatever. But I feel like if you find ancient midgets, it's pretty obvious given the structure of their skeleton. Like this is not a, this is a birth defect, not a race thing. The little people, like if you, yeah, there's a difference between elves, dwarves, like actual dwarves or, or pygmies or something like that. You know, they, they found something not long ago where they were like it looks like hobbits were real, you know. And I'm like, well how do you differentiate between hobbit and ancient midget? And probably because of the bones. You can tell by the bones but like the bone structure would be, you know, you'd be able to tell because they're not built very well. Midgets. Sometimes they are, but not often. But, but a hobbit is like a proportionate thing.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. Funny thing about the Encyclopedia of Ancient North American Giants. He actually writes in there about little people being found, like skeletons of little people. And I think they were actually called like the little people. Nate. Some Native Americans revered these creatures that were called the little people. I believe the Cherokee did in Appalachia. I hadn't really looked too much into that. But I also have seen an article from what 1910 of, and it was around here of a 18 inch skeleton that was found buried.

[David Lee Corbo]

Whoa.

[Nick J. Daigle]

But it was, and it was full. I probably need to try and find that and do some more research on it. It was just one that I found researching skeletons and I had seen it and I just read it and looked past it and because I was more focused on finding giant skeletons.

[Top Lobster]

Big stuff.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

The worst thing is like the Comanche, which are like a warring tribe of Native Americans and it was very common for you know, tribes to go to war with each other. People love to paint that picture of like peace loving Indian. That's just in touch with this nature, they were killing each other. You know how much it sucks for the midget tribes when, like, the Comanche discovered them and they're like, oh, this is gonna be easy, dude. This is gonna be super easy. Like, it's just. That's, that's got to be a nightmare. You were like, oh, and maybe if you write from their perspective, they were descended upon by a tribe of giants.

[Nick J. Daigle]

That's what I've kind of won. Like, are these, are these little people, are they, are they a type of Nephilim?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, so there is an island, I think it might be like Crete or something like that, where Greek mythology holds that it was inhabited by Zeus's children. But they were all basically like cherubim, like what you would describe as like a cherubim, like these childlike creatures, they look like that, you know, these, these really small, maybe hobbits, I don't know. But they were said to be the children of Zeus. So I've gotten to this place now where it comes to the idea of Nephilim, like, yeah, mighty men, men of renown. Does that mean that they all had to be 12ft, 13ft? Some of the lore goes really crazy, right? Some of it goes to like 20ft. All this really wild stuff and everything in between. And I, and I'm. I'm thinking that the real heart of this conversation is hybridization.

[Top Lobster]

Well, check this out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Begets all sorts of wonky things.

[Top Lobster]

Leviticus 21:18, well, 21:17, say to Aaron, for the generations to come, none of your descendants who have a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. No man that has a defect come near. No man who's blind, lame, disfigured, deformed. No man with a crippled foot or hand, hunchback, or a dwarf, or an eye defect, or as a festering, running sores or damaged testicles.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Damn.

[Top Lobster]

So the damaged testicles is interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Counts me out.

[Top Lobster]

The dwarf thing is also interesting as well. When you hit, when you're talking about like the, the reproductive capability of the Nephilim, I don't know if they have damaged testicles, but like, that would make.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sense because typically within hybridization there's non viability. We've talked about that before. So in a liger, they're non viable. They can't procreate. You know, that would insinuate an issue with the reproductive organs. So maybe there's something to that.

[Top Lobster]

It's just interesting that they're like, keep these guys away.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nasty.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, it's almost like Nephilim is a generalized term for.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Something that's a hybrid. Not necessarily. I mean, it's mostly referring to giants when we talk about it. But it's anything that is not fully human.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's the place where I'm, I'm coming to. Because when we talk about God.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this is what we started like with the whole nephew, we would say nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's a broad term.

[Top Lobster]

It's a broad term for anything that is kind of like mixed up genetically or just subverted, much like autism.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a spectrum. Yes, but, but yeah, I mean, you know, they were hybridized. Hybridizing the animals, the, the plant life. Right. Which is like the crops and the animals and everything gets decimated in these cities. And then when we look to, let's say the Egyptian pantheon, that is a much more obvious issue of hybridization because these are half animal, half man creatures. Right. Head of a hawk, head of an alligator, head of a jackal, body of a man. And then that encompasses the modern day cryptid phenomenon, which it's also my understanding the Ozarks has a lot of cryptid sightings, a variety of vast spectrum of cryptid sightings. So I think sometimes we get hung up on the giants part of the conversation. But, but hybrids is, is a much more all encompassing.

[Top Lobster]

Nephilim is a. Yeah, Nephilim is like a larger world. Like even for. Who are the guys like the cherubim around, like Zeus. They were like tiny baby, like little baby things.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then you look at the. But what the actual cherubim are, it's like face of an oxen, face of a lion, face of a man and face of an eagle.

[Top Lobster]

So what were those little things that are around this demigod?

[David Lee Corbo]

Like a moloch or. Yeah, Moloch being like this bullheaded entity. Right. Or, or a minotaur and it's like, okay, well, if you have offspring and one of your faces is an oxen, do some of your offspring take on the attributes of some sort of a bull or an ox, or you look at Horus or any of the bird headed deities, do some of your offspring end up taking on more of the bird features? So harpies and all these different things. Right. Or sirens, depending upon who you're talking to. But these half women, half bird creatures, it seems to be that much of the spectrum of angels was some sort of representation of things that we see within the animal kingdom. And then much of the cryptids that we see are some sort of mix up of man and something in the animal kingdom. So I'm like, maybe there is a basis in the angelic body for these things.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Well, it wasn't even Anubis was a dog headed man.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, A jackal specifically. And then, you know, you have the, the modern day phenomenon of dogman, which is, you know, people don't. They struggle with that. They don't say werewolf, they go like, no, dude, like body of a. Of a jacked dude and then head of a dog, but like bent backwards knees, like it's, it's a little bit nuanced. And I'm like, well, I don't know. I think if you saw Anubis, you might say something pretty damn similar.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So there was. There is an interesting story that I have in my book about Sterling Newberry and a potential encounter with little people. And this is actually one where this was a story the grandson did have. I found an article about there was an altercation between him and this Osage. Supposedly this Osage chief that was had came from Oklahoma and his name was Harry Starlight. So I had reached out to the grandson to ask him about this encounter I had found. And so he was able to. He said, this is the one story about my grandfather that I do know. So Newberry had found some kind of idol. I think it was a bear idol. And it was probably one of his most. I think it was one of his most prized ones that he found. And it made the paper. So apparently that paper, I meant when it went out, this guy named Harry Starlight, who was of Osage descent, lived in Oklahoma and read about it and had seen that, had read the description of that idol and knew the significance of it. So he actually came from Oklahoma, traveled three hours all the way here to Springfield and went to Newberry's front porch, knocked on the door and became a loose associate is what the grandson had said while whenever he developed his friendship with Newberry, he had asked Newberry if he wanted to meet the little people. So what had happened was they went to a town called. They went to a supposedly Indian burial site in Fairgrove. And that's actually where I live, Fairgrove. I'd love to find where this supposedly this burial site was at, but I don't know where it's at. I can't find any concrete evidence of where I was at. But they went to this site and it was Newberry, his son, Sterling Newberry Jr. He was the one that passed in 2015 and a few other people and Harry Starlight, the Osage Chieftain built a fire and started throwing some kind of substance on it, making the fire turn blue and green and dance. I believe it was probably copper. I think copper has that effect with fire. And then he started to do some kind of ritual. Well, Newberry, being a man of faith, I guess, started to feel uncomfortable. He was like, yeah. I mean, at first he was interested in this because he had. Newberry was part African, not African American, part native American. And he wanted to. He had always heard about the little people. So he wanted. He was interested at first. But once he seen this ritual playing out, I think because of the indwelling holy spirit, he's like, yeah, I shouldn't be. We shouldn't be dealing with this. Well, he told the starlight, the starlight said, newberry, I want you to jump through the fire. Well, Newberry was like, no, I'm not going to do that. We're. We're done. So Starlight apparently was drunk, too. So this just didn't help the situation.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was gonna make a joke, like, I'm not that drunk, but I was like, save it. And then all of a sudden, you're like, he was drunk. It just seems like the thing to do if you're drinking by a fire. Enough drinks goes, jump through the fire, dog.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, every time.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, we're a big fan on this show of what drugs can do to you, the mental mind state that they can put you in, or even the entities that they can put you in contact with. So, yeah, maybe.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I agree. So anyway, he got mad at Newberry, and He said, Newberry Jr, come through the fire. And then Sterling Newberry's like, no. I said, we are not like, this is over. We're done. Well, Starlight got really mad, and he actually went and tried to attack Newberry, but the other gentlemen that were there got him off. And in the article, it says that Starlight was arrested but let go. Well, the grandson said that his father. I mean, his grandfather Sterling Newberry, was truly a man of forgiveness. He did not want to press charges. He just wanted Harry Starlight out of his life. He, like, he didn't want any more connections with him. He just felt there wasn't. There wasn't something good after seeing that ritual performed. And then it's funny, because the grandson said that they went after the cops came, they took Harry Starlight away. Newberry and Newberry Jr. Went back to the car, and they could tell that someone had gone rummaging through their vehicle. Well, I guess in the. Before they actually started this ritual, Harry Starlight must have went in there because he told Newbery to bring that idol. So this whole thing was a setup so he could try to steal that idol from Newberry because he didn't believe Newberry deserved it because of the significance he felt it it had being of Osage descent. So. But Newberry was a pretty smart man and he was one step ahead. He hid it in the wheel well. So Starlight had rummaged through the whole car and couldn't find it. And then that. That's probably also why he was more pissed off too, because not only would the Newberry didn't continue with this ritual, but also he couldn't find this idol that he really wanted to steal.

[Top Lobster]

Makes you think what would happen if you would have jumped through that fire? Is that like a portal to nowhere or something?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. And it was just funny because, like, I'm studying all this and at the time is when I started to realize there was a connection to some of these little people and Native American lore and also giants and then his grandson. I sent him that article on Facebook messenger and he was like, yeah, I need to tell you the story about my grandfather in this story and new and Starlight wanting him to meet the little people. And I'm like, oh, my God. My mind was blown because it's all tied in together.

[David Lee Corbo]

I wonder if the bear idol is something that's used in the process of. Of skin walking. Right. So a lot of these Native American witch doctors, they. They hold, you know, this idea that you can embody the. The shape of an animal and whether or not that's a physical shape that's actually taken or it's an illusion that's casted upon the viewer to make the individual appear to the viewer as an animal or if it's a remote controlling of an actual animal somewhere out in the world. That's not very far off from Nordic lore when it comes to the berserker, which is embodied by the bear. It's a very similar thing. They would use a psychedelic. They would, you know, get in contact with these ancestor spirits and eventually they would take on the spirit of the bear and become, you know, this basically brick house. There's warrior.

[Top Lobster]

There's an even more like a recent story with the guy from Space Wolf research, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Space Wolf Ranch.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, Space Wolf Ranch with the Native Americans. I mean, he was. He was like kind of under attack by some sort of creatures, like, like large cryptids. They actually emptied out a couple of rounds on these guys and they Ran off back to their wherever. The next day they found a bunch of Native Americans dead with bullet holes in them. In their respective.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Separate from not one another, not everybody.

[Top Lobster]

Trailers.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

And in their trailers, the pelts of like all kinds of animals that people think that they might have used these pelts to shape shift or skin walk. Skin walk into. Yeah. So there is some precedent for having the idol or the image of a thing that you're going to manifest into or however that works.

[Nick J. Daigle]

You want to hear something interesting about this bear too? This bear idol, it had two, two emblems on, carved into it. One was a crescent moon, the other one was a Celtic looking cross.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting, interesting. The Celtic knot cross. Yeah, that's fascinating. And what's awesome, I know that moon is, is something that oftentimes will be associated with like Ishtar. The crescent moon will be Ishtar, which is craft. It's a, it's a feminine spirit that's exactly over witchcraft. But it's also typically associated with like nature worship, paganism, like nature worship. At its core, which is a lot of what Wiccanism is, It's nature worship. So that would track. That's interesting though, the Celtic cross.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, I mean that. It didn't say Celtic cross in there from what I gathered. It was, I mean it was just a cross, but I mean I, I bet you it looked Celtic.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. Yeah, I mean like I said, that died on.

[Nick J. Daigle]

That's right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Not the same one.

[Top Lobster]

Not for sure. It wasn't that one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Huh. That's interesting. Yeah, it's. It's a weird place. I mean, you know, people, once again, they look at the Native Americans like they are people that you should aspire towards. That's almost the thing now. Right? You should aspire towards being like the Native Americans who took only what they needed from the land and were in tune with nature. And it's like, no, dude, these are people that ward with one another and they were communing with demonic entities.

[Top Lobster]

These are people that practice cannibalism.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. You know, which is always, you know, poking up its ugly head whenever it comes to some sort of demonic worship, which you might be hesitant to call these spirits that they're engaging with demons. But if you look at all these other mythoses, the Native Americans believe that these things would give them good harvest, good hunting, good this, good that, whatever, bring the reins. Is that not what they have done? Throughout antiquity, in every civilization, they've always controlled nature and, and harnessed it for the people that were willing to Worship them. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And I mean cannibalism specifically is a replication of what we think these giants might have been partaking in or doing to their subjects if they were men of renown. So like government leaders, they were also cannibalistic, eating them. And then that, that goes even further. But you have something about that in your book as well that I read.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I do, yes. So I'm a backtrack to two years prior whenever they were back at Fulbright. There are several caves around the Fulbright area. Now this cave I'm about to mention, it's close to where these, the spoke mound burial was at and the chieftain burial, but it is not related to Newberry. Newberry did not find this cave. So I found in an old book from 1915 for the History of Greene County, Missouri, that there was a William Shepard. William Shepard was for one of the. He was a professor at one of the colleges here in Springfield. He even got up to being their dean at one point. But he. I believe that a lot of Newberry's work was inspired by shepherd because in one of the articles I have found, Newberry makes reference to the Fulbright area as being a place where Shepard had studied. So I think he had a lot of influence from Shepherd's work. And Shepard believed that Springfield area based off of some of the things he found there was an advanced civilization that was here prior to what they had known at the time of the Osage. So Anyway, shepherd in 1915 in this book about Greene county history notes that he found the cave on the Owen property which was like I said, it was probably a mile. This is probably about a mile east of where these burial mounds are at. He found the cave where there was strange bones, he said, and these bones had been broken in half and the marrow, bone marrow was extracted from them. And then he puts in this, he puts in the book that the Aborigines were very fond of this. Well, when you look at Lovelock Cave in Lovelock, Nevada, the Paiute Indians burned. I think it was the Paiute Indians and two other groups had burned these red haired giants. I mean they pushed, they rushed them into the cave, burned them alive. Well, I guess later on whenever they went in there to excavate the cave, they found bones that had been broken in half with the bone marrow extracted. So again, two other practices found in the. Another practice found in the same area where bones have been broken and marrow extracted. I mean that, that just sounds like cannibalism, you know.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. If you're tracking a serial killer it matches for sure.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I wanted to ask a quick question. When you said ancient civilization, that was advanced. How. How advanced were we talking?

[Nick J. Daigle]

So the reason he thought they were advanced is because a lot of these. A lot of these different things that I have found here around Springfield, they align up with solar events. So what's interesting is there's also another cave in the Fulbright area called the Devil Slide Cave, and I have a picture of that in my book. And there's supposedly Viking runes within that cave. It's all hearsay.

[David Lee Corbo]

But what state is this?

[Nick J. Daigle]

This is here in Springfield.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Nick J. Daigle]

There's a cave called Devil Slide Cave with supposed Viking runes in it. Well, then you have that Indian chieftain mound where the Indian chief with the red skull was buried. If you align that cave up with that burial mound, it actually produces a solstice alignment.

[Top Lobster]

Oh.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So that's. I think whenever he's mentioning that they were an advanced civilization. And it's because the artifacts that were found did not match artifacts that were known for the Native Americans at the time. And because of these, you know, the cave and these mount alignments made solstice alignments, and for what we would think of primitive people, they wouldn't have had that kind of knowledge. So I think whenever he's talking about advanced civilization, that is what Shepard is referring to in. In these old articles, because of their knowledge of archaeoastronomy.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting. So that would be Norse mythology. Right. Because. Okay, so. So you have. It's. It's. I know that before there was media, you would imagine that the ancients spent a tremendous amount of time watching the stars. But, you know, within Norse mythology, Odin is teaching cosmic knowledge, so astrology and things like that. And then for you to. And we see this all over the planet. Right. I think even. What's the. What's the famous stone structure? Stonehenge lines up to a multitude of significant astrological events. And so it's like, I think there's a difference between, you know, stargazing as a human and then constructing in that particular instance, a megalithic structure that's calculated to be exactly in alignment with. With various astrological events.

[Top Lobster]

It's all, like, parts that would be taught by the Nephil, not the sons of Seth. You know, astronomy, metallurgy, architecture.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Warfare.

[David Lee Corbo]

All this hidden knowledge.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Which animent. That's. That's another. For me, that's another evidence that these giants were from the fallen angels, because these fallen angels, they would have had that knowledge because, I mean, they were in the presence of God, they were in the presence of the one who created it all. So they would have had that knowledge firsthand or they would have seen it, demonstrate it whenever he created everything, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So it's a crazy theory of mine. And I don't know if this, like, borders on. It's not. Doesn't border on heresy. But I could understand why people might misunderstand because I'll explain it poorly, but I think that these angels, the Watchers, specifically understood when God created everything, and they understood the Maseroth, but I don't think they were able to read it precisely. And they understood probably the part where God sends his Son in, in this very, like, almost Nephilim like, way. Right. Like you take a human woman and you put a God mates with her, and then she gives birth to a thing that is not quite man, not quite God. And they see this and they see that thing as the thing that is going to replace them. Maybe this is even perhaps like before. Perhaps it's before the fall. I mean, I think it is before the fall where they, where they read this. Then you develop a plot of like. Well, we see the plan.

[David Lee Corbo]

That would explain where they get the.

[Top Lobster]

Idea, yeah, that's great, we have to do this. And then they do.

[David Lee Corbo]

They.

[Top Lobster]

They do this perversion of what they've read in God's plan of taking a human woman.

[David Lee Corbo]

And. But.

[Top Lobster]

But it always comes out. It comes out mixed up. It comes out weird.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You know, there's like, there's no soul to this thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, because it's never included that it would die for humans because God loves mankind. Like, it never included that.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, very much like the Bible where we're reading and it's like there were Nephilim on the days on the earth before and after. And then it's like there's a flood and it's like there's a lot in between there, but it's like you're just kind of just given what you need to know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And they probably were given what they need to know, copied it in order to get ahead of something. I don't know. This is just something that I think about when I'm sitting looking at the wall by myself.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, that's a.

[Nick J. Daigle]

That's interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Really interesting thought. I mean, where would they get. Yeah. And all they do is invert and pervert God's creation.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So you can see.

[Top Lobster]

I wouldn't even say, like, this is a perversion.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'd say that this is a poor attempt. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

This is a. Like they saw, they were like, he's going to do that and we're going to end up. And then they're like, well, how do we do it? And they try and they make a pretty good attempt at it. You know, like you've enslaved humanity and all that. Things just go completely sideways.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because you've read this plan and maybe acted. Maybe they read a plan, they acted in a way like they fulfilled their own prophecy. I don't know. I don't know if that's how it plays out. But when I look at the correlations and the similarities between all of this stuff and how it just continues to repeat.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you do see that that same element of repetition in. Look at any sort of like witchcraft or Satanism or whatever, what are they taking? A pure, unblemished sacrifice.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that sacrifice somehow gives them a modicum of control over the foundation of this realm. The purer the sacrifice, the better the sacrifice, the more power that's yielded from it. But then of course, they always use it for some evil means. But you look at Jesus, the lamb. Right. The unblemished lamb. The purest sacrifice, lives a perfect life, is God in the flesh. It doesn't get more powerful.

[Top Lobster]

All the sacrifices and the covenants, like from Genesis 15 and on. Yeah. There is a specific formula to do a thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And even God does it. Like they take specific types of animals, cut them in half, walk between them and like that's like this lifelong or this generation long covenant until I come back for Israel. That's how you do it. I don't know why, but that seems to be the way.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then it's just replicated over and over again and perverted and done this.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Way and that way.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like if you create an entire thing and then, you know, like, let's say I, I hate to use this because the, what would you call them, the simulation theory? People, you know, they go, oh, there, it's a simulation theory. Look, let's say you create a program and then, you know, if you were to come over and be like, wow, that's a really fascinating thing that you've developed there. How would you go about like inserting this K. Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

And then you get into this menu, like, okay, so I take those three and then I can. Yeah. And it's kind of like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

But because it's like, because everybody's like, oh, if, if God is, is all powerful, why does he have to do the X, Y and Z? It's like, because this, he, he created a thing and he created rules because he's just.

[Top Lobster]

And yeah, those are the rules.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I guess.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. You do see those elements repeated.

[Top Lobster]

La Marzulli would beat us up if you heard us say something like that. Probably.

[David Lee Corbo]

You think so? No, I think, I think he would get it. You scold us for our language though.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Nick J. Daigle]

No, that's interesting though.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry to completely derail you, man.

[Nick J. Daigle]

No, you're fine, you're fine, you're fine. And I'm still learning all this stuff too. So I do want to get back to the cross though. The, the cross on the bear. So it is funny because that cave where that bear was found, supposedly there was some emblems or some symbols in that cave that I guess, I think they matched the bear. So I'm wondering if the cross was maybe etched into the wall of this cave. But then two years later, Sterling Newberry left the site, the Fulbright area where he was at, and went down to, this is east of Springfield, the James River. So James river is huge, a huge, I mean it's a huge Native American site. So I go there and I do a lot of artifact hunting, looking for arrowheads, stuff like that. And that's one place where you can honestly find a lot of them. So I found an article about the James river and some stuff that Newberry discovered around there. And that's where it brings us to the seven foot skeleton. So in 1934, there was sterling Newberry, a gentleman named William Sartin, and then one named Denver Brake. And they, they were the ones who excavated the shallow mound where the seven foot skeleton was at, along with seven other normal sized skeletons. I wanted to find the location of that place. That was my biggest motivator, is to find the location of that place. So I looked at, I was looking, couldn't find anything as far as like historical text around here about any mounds that was in the area. And if there had been any mounds, they all would have been, you know, leveled out because of land development and farming, agriculture, all of that. So I started to decide, well, I need to look and see if I can find the ownership of this property where this shallow mountain could have been. So I went back and I looked at the three gentlemen you had, Sterling Newberry, who was the archaeologist. It made sense why he was there. Then I looked at William Sarton, he was a miner. So it made sense why a miner was there because he knew how to do the excavation. The third one, this Denver break, was a farmer. I was like, well, what does he bring to the table unless he owns the land? So by doing that I was able to. I pulled up old plats of the James river, like old plat maps, property maps. I wasn't able to find anything that was. That belonged to Denver Break. But I did find this little plot of land where there was a bluff that was owned by the Brake family for several decades. Well, looking in old paper newspapers, I was able to pinpoint that Denver Brake was the grandson of the guy who owned that property, SM Break. And then after SM Break died, it went to an AW Break who was the uncle of Denver Brake. I was able to find out who owns the property, got in touch with them. My friend, I have a friend named James who. He's really been looking for these sites too. And this is where God's sovereignty comes into place. Because James Clary, he's a local here, he does a talk radio. I mean, he talks about all the weird, strange, unusual, Bigfoot dog, man, all this different stuff, ancient, civil.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's doing that on. On local radio.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

[Top Lobster]

I'd like to talk to him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that'd be dope.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. So I became friends with him because he did a. He did a segment about a year and a half ago on Newberry. So I sent the radio station an email saying I wanted to get in touch with him about Sterling Newberry. I knew he would call as soon as I sent him that because no one knows who Sterling Newberry is. I mean, it has. His story has been just buried. So James got in touch with me and I told him where I believe that this mound would have been at where the seven foot skeleton was buried. Turns out the person who owns that used to go to church with James. He called her just. I mean, he didn't know her, but he just. We found out her phone number. He called her. She said if it was anyone else, she wouldn't have answered the phone. But she knew James because James is actually pretty popular around here because of him owning, him being on the radio, but also he's a chef and he used to own a really nice restaurant here named Clary's. So anybody who has been in Springfield for decades knows James Clary because of his restaurant. So the only reason she answered the phone is because she knew she went to church with. With him.

[David Lee Corbo]

There you go.

[Top Lobster]

That's why you go to church. Leave it.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's why you go to church.

[Top Lobster]

There you go.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So it was interesting because if I would have called, I wouldn't be here right now because she Wouldn't have answered the phone for me. So James answered the phone. We went out there to look at her property. That's where I actually started. And I've gone out there multiple times now, and I found several artifacts out there. Well, we've gotten. James and I have gotten associated with this gentleman named Doug, who. Doug has actually mapped out all kinds of archaeoastronomy sites all across Missouri. And he was interested in going check out this property with us too. Well, he. While we were out there, we found the square shaped berm structure, which. I mean, a berm structure is almost like a. It's a type of mound. But it's interesting because it's kind of like a. Almost like a levy kind of. I guess you could say like a small levee. It's. I can't think of how to explain it, but like, it's like a levy. Like. Have you ever heard of Fort Ancient? The Fortnite?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, Fort. Not familiar with that.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Okay. Well, anyway, it's. It's a type of mountain earthen mound structure. So we were out there, James, Doug and I, we were looking at this. Looking at this earthen mound structure. And one thing he noticed that was very like this. Kind of like that. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Nick J. Daigle]

One thing that he knows that was pretty interesting is on the inside of this berm structure, this lady's property, there were like smaller trees, like probably only that looked like they were maybe 60 years old. But on the outside, on top of this bluff, I mean, you had trees that had to be at least 300 years old because of how big they were. And Doug made the comment. He was like, you know, this reminds me of like an old burial site or an old cemetery. Well, when I was researching the Break property, I found out that there was actually a Break cemetery, a family cemetery in that berm structure that was actually the old Brake family cemetery, which I.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thought was trees instead of headstones.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, the trees, they regrew after years.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, yeah, sorry, That's. I didn't make that connection. So. Because the trees were newer in there at one point, it was clear on the inside of that Bermuda structure.

[David Lee Corbo]

I.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Okay, so that's what made him think that it was an old cemetery. Because on the outside, I mean, you have two or 300 year old trees, but on the inside of this berm structure, there was nothing. So we put together that that was the old Break cemetery and most of them had been moved. The cemetery had. The cemetery is no longer an active cemetery. The. They actually moved them to another location called Shiloh Baptist Cemetery. But I've heard that a lot of cemeteries that we have now were most likely the resting places of prehistoric people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Huh.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So we, we barely saying.

[Top Lobster]

Are you saying that they just like redug holes and put more people in it?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Most likely, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I think about this a lot too, as I'm driving and texting, putting multiple.

[David Lee Corbo]

Bodies in graves over years.

[Top Lobster]

Where are you putting all these people? Yeah, I know you burn in some of them, but like most people get buried.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, well, yeah, I. I think so. Like, all these ain't these old cemeteries that we have from early pioneer days. I really think they just buried on top of where the Native Americans buried because the Native Americans, they would have buried in places that were higher up, so that way water erosion wouldn't wash the bodies. I mean, they buried in the most opportune places or the most optimal places. So anyway, going back, I think that that shallow burial mound with the seven foot skeleton was most likely in that berm structure. And what I think is whenever the Break family, they were, whenever they were possibly maybe burying a loved one, they might have unearthed one of these skeletons and then got in touch with Sterling Newberry to come do this excavation because they knew it wasn't one of their descendants that they were burying. And what's interesting is I had mentioned that a lot of the people that were buried, buried in Brake Cemetery had been moved to Shiloh Baptist Cemetery. At one point the Brake family went to Shiloh Baptist. Sterling Newberry was the pastor at Shiloh Baptist.

[David Lee Corbo]

So small world, dude.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I'm thinking, I'm thinking that the Brake family must have unearthed the shallow mound and they notified Sterling Newberry because they knew he was an amateur archaeologist as well, besides their pastor. And that's when he went and him, William Sarton, who he had worked with William Sarton in the past. The Miner and Denver break unearthed the seven foot skeleton. And it was very interesting in how these, the seven foot skeleton was unearthed because like I said, you had eight, eight different skeletons that were on earth. One was seven foot, but they were layered where one was laying east to west, the other one was laying north to south. So it made a cross and they.

[David Lee Corbo]

Laid them across each other like that.

[Top Lobster]

Were they.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Were they on, on, like on top or.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yes, I think they were just layered on top of each other. All eight of them.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, wow. Okay. So sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Would.

[Top Lobster]

Did the family want them? The family exhumed all the bodies of their relatives and moved them to another.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I think they just moved the headstones. So I think I'm gonna. Okay. I don't know if they necessarily dug up their deceased loved ones.

[Top Lobster]

That's a level of like, what did you find here? If I want my dead loved ones away from this. You know what I'm saying?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Top Lobster]

That's.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, I didn't think about that. But I mean, they stopped burying their loved ones in the Break family cemetery and they started burying them in other cemeteries. And I've actually gone to adjacent cemeteries. I'm weird, but I've gone to adjacent cemeteries and I found random breaks, members of the Brake family in all these other cemeteries off the James river, in other cemeteries that would have been close to where the original Break family cemetery was at.

[Top Lobster]

So I guess what I just said there might actually make sense because even if they don't dig up their loved ones, they're like, we're not burying them here anymore.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because of what they found.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I would ponder the spiritual ramifications of burying my, my. I mean, are they definitively Christian?

[Nick J. Daigle]

I would say. I mean, they went to. I'm not saying I would speculate.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, so. So at some point do you go, like, should I be burying my family over the bodies of pagans?

[Top Lobster]

Not just pagans, over. These are seven foot skeletons, seven foot tall pagans that are piled in a cross.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. And so that's where I almost wonder if. Does the cross on the bear match up with how these eight skeletons were buried?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Is it. Do you know if it was a cross, like, you know, equidistant cross, or was it like, you know, the Jesus cross would be longer at the bottom?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, it doesn't say. It just says that they were layered to form a cross.

[Top Lobster]

No, I mean, on. On the bear. Did it.

[Nick J. Daigle]

No, I think it was an equal distance cross. Yeah, I don't think it was.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's. I mean, I know that that doesn't have to necessarily be a Christian symbol as much as it is, because you think about the bear, you think about Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and the cross is. There's a. Something called the celestial crux, which is a formation, a star formation.

[Top Lobster]

So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. So maybe there's something there, you know, because we're thinking about astrology, Right. I mean, we were talking about that only moments ago. And so these symbols that. That. What was it? It was on the other side of the bear.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Crescent moon and a cross.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, I mean, Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, crescent moon, celestial crux. Maybe these things do fit together in some Way, shape or form?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Form.

[Top Lobster]

In astrology, the. The Grand Cross is a rare and intense aspect pattern where four planets from a perfect form, a perfect cross shape in a birth chart. So that is an astrological symbol of, like, the location of four different planets as it intersects. Because I'm thinking now about the other burial mounds that were buried. Buried in that. The circular fashion, like on a spoke on a wheel and that.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

That could even represent, like, you know, the Nazi symbol, which is like. Like, what is it? The rotation of the North Star.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, what's the many spoked wheel?

[Top Lobster]

It's just representing movement of something. Like, that's why you would stagger something this way in a circle. That's what the swastika was originally for.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Turns into something else.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but it. I mean, that. That spoked wheel has definitely been a symbol that's used to.

[Top Lobster]

It was in Game of Thrones.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it's to track the movement of the stars across the sky as far as, like, timekeeping, but it's a symbol for basically, like, the entire night sky.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I don't know if you guys remember the first episode of Game of Thrones.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Where I've actually never watched Game of Thrones. I was more of a walking dead guy.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they're all pretty good. At the end of it, they.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's interesting. Within Dharma or Buddhism, it's a symbol that signifies the life cycle and rebirth. Reincarnation. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, here, check this out. I actually have it pulled up so at the. At the end of episode one in Game of Thrones. And it's something that they never even really touch on again. They just kind of put it up. But they imply that the. The people from beyond the wall or those, like, zombie like creatures have killed a bunch of northern men and they stacked them or put their bodies in this sort of a shape, like spoke of a wheel. You see that?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's implying, like, this movement, but it is an astrological sign. They just never touch on it again. It's just one of those things that's. They've put it there and then they move on.

[David Lee Corbo]

In astrology, it's the zodiac. Right. But that is the exact same thing as time. Right. Because as we move through the seasons, we also move through, like, we're supposedly, you know, at one moment within the Tropic of Cancer and another moment within a different astrological formation. So it's all in reference to time and the cyclical nature of time. But, you know, within Buddhism, there's an element of reincarnation. But once again, you know, astrology, this is, comes from a culture with a deep understanding of astrology. And every single time you go to any of these questions, cultures who taught them, it's one of their gods, one of their fallen angel gods. Yeah, very interesting. Something that I wanted to talk about as we're, we're getting, you know, we're coming to the, towards the end of the show here and I, I didn't want to end it without talking about the idea of post flood Nephilim, post flood giants, you know, the, I guess the theories on how these things might have survived and then examples of, you know, post flood giants.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So I mean, I think I adhere to the, I mean whenever you look back in Genesis 6, it says the Nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterwards when the sons of God went into the daughters of man. So when I look at that and Mondo Gonzalez, who actually wrote the far from my book, he explained it to me this way. When Moses is writing that he's standing before the promised land and he's seeing the giants in the promised land and he is saying the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, meaning before the flood and afterwards when the sons of God went into the daughters of man. Almost as if it's like a continuous thing, that it wasn't just a one and done occurrence, but that could these fallen entities have had multiple occurrences where they've gone into the daughters of man creating these hybrids which could even point even to modern day alien abductions.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, I, I tend to think. So what do you think about the idea that.

[Top Lobster]

Why does it look like they're failing then? Or are they just not making them as giants right now?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I wonder if, if, if the point is giants or the point specifically is hybridization. Because what we come into, I think even, even he who shall not be named, you know, within the concept of.

[Top Lobster]

Say Albarino's name, we like him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can you warn me?

[Top Lobster]

We're friends, we went to school in Peru, you know that I like his fashion.

[David Lee Corbo]

But the idea of a birthright, right, an inheritance, what mankind inherits because of the coming of Christ and these things being kicked out of these heavenly realms, you know, in the abyss, etc, etc, right? It's they've been cast out, they've fallen. And so if they can supersede that condemnation by creating something that does have rights to an inheritance and does that thing necessarily have to be. It's almost like these hybrid creatures serve a multitude of, of purposes. So whereas the the cryptid phenomenon sometimes looks like there might even be a government, you know, sort of scientific experiment angle to it. Thereby you could start to draw the conclusion.

[Top Lobster]

Thereby, perhaps crazy, perhaps you could draw.

[David Lee Corbo]

The conclusion that these things might be good assets. And that comes up again and again.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

The idea of an asset like, let's say for military purposes might be good to have like a 7 foot 8 foot tall dogman that's like, you know, virtually bulletproof, super strong.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but that's not how you rule today. I mean.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, but what then on the other side of it, you have the black eyed children and that seems to be the big problem. I would call it a problem because over and over again you hear stories from abductee victims where these aliens that have, you know, inseminated them, one way or another, you give birth or you don't give birth, suddenly the pregnancy is mysteriously vanished. And then years down the line. I think this happened specifically with Karen Wilkinson. Yeah, but it's not a story that's alone in a vacuum. This is something I've heard elsewhere as well. She'll be reintroduced to these children and the ets, whatever the hell you want to call them, are saying, hey, maybe you can interact with this thing because it's not working very well. It seems to need its mother for whatever reason. And, and then she describes it as like these kids look like kids in visage, but there's something fundamentally wrong with them. So that one to me seems like the other things might have a nephilim, a giant. Well, you can control and rule nations with those things, right? Yeah, and, and hybrids and creatures. Well, you could do a lot of, let's say, enforcing with those things. Right. But then you have these soft human mashups that look human for all intents and purposes, but the spirit's just not there. And they're not connecting that, that thing to me seems like they're trying to. That's the inheritance aspect. They want to create something that inherits, you know, the ability to go to heaven maybe is a good that they don't have access to anymore. You know, and maybe because we've already established, it seems that God created a thing. And if you want to know how to adjust this thing. Right. Control shift Z will give you access to this. Marriage seems to be an important thing. So that seems to be why they took wives and they married them in exchange for coveted knowledge and things like that. Marriage might be one system by which you can gain access to a thing that you no longer had access to or didn't have it previously, maybe.

[Top Lobster]

Well, that's the marriage would be the idea of consent.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And that seems very important in this realm and the spiritual realm specifically. You've got to consent to these things before they happen to you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, F.J. fool says sounds like the loophole plot in Dogma. So I guess maybe we're highlighting something that somebody else has already made into a work of fiction. But that seems to be the inheritance thing, I think is the job of the, the Black Eyed Children, which I think they've probably worked out by now. You don't hear so much of that. Used to hear a lot about that. Not so much anymore. That was like really 80s 90s stuff. And now and they, and they're. They got more and more believable. They used to be like really horrifying and then they got like more and more human over time and.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, but that's like, I guess, I guess to like bring this more back to Nick's book. We're talking about a biblical worldview and the, this aspect of spiritual warfare today, which I think the spiritual warfare comes in a kinetic fashion, like with this alien disclosure stuff and. Yeah, you know, there's. There are other things, maybe Cryptids, if you, if you believe in them. How does, how do we tie these two things together in your opinion?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Well, you see, it's funny because when I first started looking into the whole Nephilim, I never even tied the Nephilim into the spiritual realm until I started going further down the proverbial rabbit hole. So isn't it in the Book of Enoch where it says that the spirits of the Nephilim. Pre flood Nephilim or the. I'm sorry, hold on. Demons are the. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the pre flood Nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that is what it says.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So it's. Whenever I found that out, I think Michael Heiser is one that had coined that. Whenever he had. When I'd heard him say that, that's when it kind of opened my eyes to these things are connected how the spiritual realm, the cryptids, the angels being aliens, all of that ties into this Nephilim. And the spiritual realm is ever more present than you we would even think because of that connection. Does that kind of answer your question?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's one of those things that's a little bit intangible, you know, and this is what brings the contention right now. And. And this is a bit of what I see Alberino playing, which is like if you say Aliens or demons. Just given the conversation that we had here, it's like, it's pretty complex. There's a lot of complexities. And so he often poses the question. He'll just start. I've seen him do this on Twitter. Like, what is a demon then? Like, you got to say that. Okay, well, if we're, if we're going with this, it's not a presupposition. I mean, we do have the Book of Enoch that says this. It's non canonical. It does seem applicable. It does seem like it fits.

[Top Lobster]

Ethiopia referred to.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's referred to. And it was still in the canon in the Ethiopian Bible. So a lot of people don't really even entertain the non canonical aspect of it.

[Top Lobster]

But I was thinking as well, like when they talk about, like, reading the scriptures, like, like breathing them in. Well, what scripture were. Were they reading in the. In the New Testament? Those that wrote the New Day, they weren't reading the New Testament.

[David Lee Corbo]

They were, I imagine they were reading Book of Enoch.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I mean, among, you know, among the Torah and. And a couple of other scriptures. I don't know what they were reading, but they weren't reading the Bible as we have it today. So they were talking about something.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, at the very least, the Book of Enoch gives you a window into what, you know, ancient people thought demons were. There was certainly some school of people moving around at that time are like, yeah, demons are the disembodied spirits of those giants.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Remember the giants, when they died, their spirits don't go anywhere. But then it just gets so messy. And when you actually. What's a. What's an interesting point is when you highlight the messiness of the situation it really frames when God's like, wipe them all out.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. It's like, don't worry about the goat.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You're gonna try to fix the goat.

[David Lee Corbo]

That goat has breasts, is a bipedal man, lady with boobs. Just wipe it out. All right? Just kill it. Just take it out. The plants are all gmo. You know, it begins to frame it in a way where you're like, oh, yeah, you kind of got to start over.

[Nick J. Daigle]

And that's where I also think it kind of. His grace actually meets his judgment too, because the judgment was wiping it all out. But was that also grace? Because it was such an abomination that it would just kept leading us into further and further and further sin, hardening of hearts and darkness.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I mean, one of the things that I, I, you know, meant to get around to Today. But was this idea that Moses. I'm sorry, Noah was not a perfect man. Right. Which is like, something that people wrestled with for a while, because it's like, how is Noah a perfect man who was sinless or something, and therefore was worthy of being, you know, saved from this. This great flood, when clearly, you know, for one, he's an alcoholic of pretty massive proportions that's after them.

[Top Lobster]

I mean.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, you know, and I would drink pretty heavily, too, if I was like, dude, I watched the whole world get flooded.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I was on a boat for 40 days, and now I have to deal with nobody else but my immediate family. I think I'm going to start drinking right now, and quite a bit of it.

[Nick J. Daigle]

But can you imagine the ptsd, two of you being locked on the ark and then you hearing people banging on the side saying, let us in. Let us in. After you told them. After you then told them this is coming. I mean, I'm sure in his mind, he's like. In his humility, he's like, why do I get to live and they have to die? Like, what makes me so much better?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I mean, if. If he's a humble man, that's gonna be his thought.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's a normal thing for humans. There's something called survivor's remorse. Yeah. Imagine being one of how many people that survived out of the whole world.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. So I meant. I can only imagine he just kept hearing playing on again. And we know how the enemy likes to work. He likes to bring. He likes to bring our trauma right back up and taunt us with it. And I can just see him replaying it back in Noah's head, the screams and, let us in. Let us in. And he had. He could do nothing about it. He was. His hands. His hands were tied. So I can understand why he got off the ark and drank.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dude.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Your. Your book focuses on Genesis 6:1:5, but one of my favorite scriptures. And. And just as, like, going back to what you said about God being just and then his. His grace versus his justice. Right. So he had the grace to be like, there has to. This has to be completely wiped out. But Genesis 6:6.

[David Lee Corbo]

The.

[Top Lobster]

The verse right after says it repented the Lord that he made man on earth, grieved him at his heart. P. I don't know. This one is one that I think about a lot, too. But it repented the Lord. I think that means. The word repented there means that he was like, sorry about it. He's like, yeah, like, I Don't. He didn't make a mistake, but he's just like, felt bad.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Have you ever seen I Am. Have you ever seen I Am Legend?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Will Smith. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

With the dog part.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah. When the dog part. Exactly. I think of was that God, and this is just my thought, was that God, in that moment, whenever he's holding the dog, he has tears rolling down his eyes and he's like, I got to put this dog down because I don't have the cure. We didn't have Christ. They didn't have Christ at the time. They didn't have the redemption of man. He hadn't come yet. So that was his only option, was to put the dog down. Because if not, who knows what kind of chaos would have ensued.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's probably a great analogy.

[Top Lobster]

Check this out. The crazy part is that people go, oh, it repented the Lord that he had made man. No, it repented him that he had made man on the earth. So it's like he probably already. Again, I guess maybe this gets into pre Adamite stuff of what was going on before Adam, but he made man and then put him on the earth, knowing, like, this place was already kind of like, jacked up. He's like, man, I shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't have put them on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Serpents in the garden and everything.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, this place is all crazy before I put him here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that is interesting because it's like.

[Top Lobster]

You got to put him down like Will Smith and his dog.

[David Lee Corbo]

Imagine you, like, you know, you, you, you. You bring a child into this world and then you. You put. Put them in the world and you just see what the world does to him. Like, yeah, that sucks, dude. Yeah, it sucks. And then imagine you're like, now, I.

[Top Lobster]

Don'T, I don't repent that I made my child, but I do repent that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, this is the world I bought.

[Top Lobster]

I gotta.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's.

[Top Lobster]

My son and daughter have to go through all this nonsense, you know, because.

[Nick J. Daigle]

It was also the call for as soon as they got off the ark, go be fruitful and multiply. So there was still that call that he put on the Noah and his descendants to go and multiply. But yeah, it's. It's just the tension of that being in both those spots, you know?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but. But the. My original point was that, you know, that's not why God spared Noah. It seems that the reason God spared Noah is because he wasn't all messed up genetically.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that's something that, That's a tough one. That frames Things so differently. That's a real fundamental change in the way that I understood the biblical narrative in my very limited understanding.

[Top Lobster]

Perfect in his generations. Yeah, it's not like perfect man, because.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, and high five to him because his descendants were not trying to bang Nephilim. You know what I mean? Like, probably pretty. Pretty hard thing to avoid. It seems like by the time sons.

[Top Lobster]

Might have banged him, who knows? That's. That's another story.

[David Lee Corbo]

Repented God's heart. He was like, I'm really sorry about this. And he's like, hey, I get it. It has to be flooded. And he's like, no, no.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Like, I almost even kind of wonder if because of what happened after the flood, could that have opened up another doorway, a portal? And that's why Canaan was. I mean, because all the giants were in Canaan, Right? It was Canaan's descendants who were. I mean, it was Ham's descendants through Canaan that were cursed.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So did that sexual sin create some kind of portal that restarted this whole.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, it's trauma. Well, if you look at it, was it.

[Top Lobster]

Was it sexual sin number one?

[David Lee Corbo]

There's.

[Top Lobster]

There's a lot of people.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is like sons of nothing very much like. Sure looks like it looks like he begged him.

[Top Lobster]

But.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we're talking about portals, butthole portals. Mortals. Like, that's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, dude, think about Crowley. Crowley and sex magic, right? I mean, it's. It is a real part of this, the darker aspect of the supernatural realm.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. I'm writing a book that's called the Nephilim Came Back Through Noah's Butthole.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a crazy. That's a crazy.

[Top Lobster]

La Marzulli's like, I will never. Shut up, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what, being on a boat for 40 days.

[Nick J. Daigle]

I guess it'd be better than it. Well, and then the Christians come through Abraham's bosom, Right?

[Top Lobster]

Hold on, hold on.

[Nick J. Daigle]

You get.

[Top Lobster]

You. You earned it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, the buttons don't.

[Top Lobster]

The buttons don't work. Wow.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, listen, I think that's a very inappropriate spot to leave this, but it also feels like a good place to leave this. It is. It is.

[Top Lobster]

It's biblical.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is. You got a great bosom.

[Top Lobster]

Holy kiss.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let's. Before we get out of here, Nick, let's remind everybody where they can find your book.

[Nick J. Daigle]

So. Amazon, type in Genesis 6 and the Ozarks. We didn't really touch on as much of the stuff pertaining to Newberry. I meant there's more in there, but I don't really Want to just delve it all out on a podcast?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, you can't give it all away. I mean, you're already doing that for like a day. Guys, if you're listening to this on Patreon, by the time this goes on YouTube, you. You all are screwed. Go and get this e ebook, man. Look at that price up there in the top right corner. Zero dollars and zero cents. That's. That's remarkable. Do you have a small window of opportunity to go and nab that bad boy? Because by the time this hits the main feed, sorry, guys, you ain't getting.

[Top Lobster]

If you have any other social medias, they should follow you there because I'm sure you promoted it.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You run something like this again?

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, I do. I never thought I in my life would write a book, honestly. I mean, in college I struggled to write a three page paper and I wrote a book now, so I never.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thought in my life I'd read a book, but I'm struggling to get through the Bible right now. Good for you.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, I get it, I get it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Where can do you have a social media platform anybody can find you at? Or Facebook. Yeah, Facebook.

[Nick J. Daigle]

And you'll actually just add. I can actually. You just added me to the community group, so I can. I can put the link on the community group.

[Top Lobster]

Perfect. And you know what? We just made the community group go there.

[David Lee Corbo]

There we go.

[Top Lobster]

We're trying to build our Facebook group presence. So go to the community group. You can find Nick J. Daigle's stuff.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Dagel.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dagel.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Yeah, Dagel.

[David Lee Corbo]

Good job, dude.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Like bagel, but with the D. I like it.

[Top Lobster]

You can find his stuff there. You can follow him. You can see what he's doing. Thank you again, man. I'm sorry about the confusion, but thanks for coming on. Great episode. I hope your episodes later today and this week go really good too. Good luck with that stuff.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Thank you all for having me on. I appreciate it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thank you for coming, bro.

[Top Lobster]

Absolutely. Guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later.

[Nick J. Daigle]

Death spot. Death one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Death. When the last trumpet sound in the heaven.