John Pounders (3:58)

You can check me out on YouTube. But now you see TV or on Pounder's Quest. Now you see TV is more Bible oriented, mainly like Bible study. Now. I used to have the Midnight Ride, where most people know me from, and I did that for 10 years. We just retired that show, but I have now have Pounders Quest, where I'm interviewing different people in order to do all that and to be able to travel and go meet different people. Like, I. I pretty much had to retire the Midnight Ride, which was the biggest thing I've ever done. It kind of retired it at its peak. But sometimes you have to let other things go so you can kind of move forward and do other things. So that's kind of where I'm at. Yeah.

Matt (4:34)

Hey, what is that? What is out of curiosity? I know not. It's not what the episode's about, but what is that? What's that like? Because I often wonder when I'm thinking about NDS I'm like, how does this end? Violently or.

John Pounders (4:46)

Yeah, yeah, I wanted to end it. I wanted to end it, like, at its peak. So I. I hate to, like, see shows kind of go and then kind of die down or whatever. But, like, I wanted to end it at its peak where. I mean, there's 10 years worth of broadcasts that people probably can never run out of scene. And that was hard, man, because it's like you don't know for sure if the Next thing you're gonna do is gonna actually work out or not. You know, you don't know that for sure, but that. I had to in that one if I wanted to do what I'm doing now, because I didn't have. I mean, when you researching like that, like, we were busting out every week, we were busting out, like, so much research that we had to constantly be doing. Constantly be reading. And so you don't have time for much else when you're doing that, so. But it was hard, man. It's like one of those things. You don't know if you should or not. But I. But I really felt like I was supposed to. I was. I mean, half the books I was reading were, you know, occult books and freemasonic books and grimoires and stuff to try to understand different points of view. And so, like, it is taxing after about 10 years of that. So.

David Lee Corbo (5:46)

I really appreciate that, though. It's a. It's a risky leap to take, and it's definitely one that is, you know, not often taken with a lot of confidence. But I. I use this little analogy. I say that when it comes to shows in particular, you either run long enough to become the Walking Dead or. Or you die. Breaking Bad. Right? I think that's. That's the way. Because Breaking Bad is like, it. It stopped when they told the story, and it was great. But if you look at the Walking Dead, it's still going on, still happening. It's still happening right now, and nobody cares.

Matt (6:18)

Literally, the Walking Dead.

David Lee Corbo (6:19)

Whereas Breaking Bad is this. In my opinion, it's a masterpiece. And it's. It's frozen in time. And you can look back it and say what a wonderful story they told. They could have milked that thing. They could have kept going and kept going, and they. You know, Walt could have gone on forever selling methods. Instead, they said, we're done here. We've made something. It's time to move on. So I appreciate that. That's a. A lot of people are too afraid to do that.

Matt (6:40)

Yeah. Yeah.

John Pounders (6:40)

It's Friday, so. For sure.

Matt (6:42)

John? What. What?

David Lee Corbo (6:44)

I.

Matt (6:44)

Something. A question we haven't really asked, but Sean asked us from Kingdom in Context, and I think it's a great question. How did you come to Christ? How long ago? And what made you do this crazy thing that you're doing now? Because this is a weird profession.

John Pounders (6:58)

Yeah. So basically, I. I became a Christian. I used to be. I grew up in. In church my whole life. I grew up in. I even went to Bible college. Actually, but there was a situation to where I kind of was crying out to God asking, you know, what am I supposed to do? And then something negative happened, like really, like I thought God was basically pushing me away. And so from that point on I kind of just was like, you know what? Like, if you don't want me to serve you, I'm just going to do what I do. And I kind of, and I did for years, I did, you know, I ended up on drugs even. So I ended up on drugs. I ended up going to jail just, you know, for a few days. But I was going through withdrawals. And I was not only on like cocaine and stuff like that, but I was also on pharmaceuticals, which were my biggest problem because it was like pain pills and anti psychotics and all that. And if you stop taking those, it can, it can literally kill you. Some of the ones I was on, I was on some like heavy, heavy doses of this stuff. And I had been for a long time. And so when I went to the jail cell, like I started going through withdrawals. And then really around the third day, like I was finally starting to kind of come to and, and start to really understand what was going on. Because, you know, if you're on Depakote, if you're on, you know, high levels of Xanax and kilodipins and all that, like there's a, a wave of psychosis that almost hits when you're going through those withdrawals. And at the la, when I was finally sobering up, I just remember looking around and in the jail there's so many different people that are, that I know just from growing up in the neighborhood I grew up in. And I grew up in a very pretty poor neighborhood. I mean really poor neighborhood. It was, I actually lived there till 2016. Got worse and worse as time goes on. And so I started seeing a lot of the people and I just started thinking in my mind like, okay, so this is going to be my life. This is, this is what I do. I thought, you know, I, I thought I got away with everything. I always got away with stuff. And no matter what it was like, I was always getting away with things. I had a lot of friends that were, you know, I would say somewhat powerful people in the city because I had big parties and so like I would just get away with stuff I shouldn't get away with. But this time I couldn't get away from the withdrawals. I just couldn't get away from it. So it was, I was there looking and just trying to fathom what was going on here. And I just remember thinking like, I don't. I don't want my life to be like this. I want to. I've seen people before that have love. I've seen people before that have peace. I've seen that before. And so in those moments, I'm looking at the walls. You see people, things that people have like, etched into the wall. Like, you know, just real depressing things, like nobody cares for you when you're here and unless you have money, nobody cares for you. And just stuff like that. And I started to like, kind of think about those things. And so I cried out to God in those moments. I was like, God, if you care about me at all, just, even though, even a little bit, just know and I'll do whatever you want me to do. I'm done with this. I want to do what you want me to do. But I have to know you care. Because, you know, the time before I felt like he actually showed me he didn't care. And so. And within moments of that happening, the jail cell opens and I hear a voice of Saint calling my name. So I go in, head honk, head hung. I'm like, you know, upset, depressed. And we're going into the detective's office and I figured they're going to be questioning us, questioning me about something. Well, there's a guy that I hadn't seen in a while. He used to be in a band called Drag the Stick. It was like a metal, punk metal band. Like he had long dreadlocks and his nose pierced. And the guy actually that led him to Christ was Sunny from pod. But I hadn't seen him in a while and I used to play in a band, so that's how he knew me. And he was on the drug task force. And so while I was, while I was in there, he was going through, you know, paperwork, listening to the scanners, listening to this. And he heard my name and he was already dead. He was getting ready to go to bed with his wife. And he works all the time. The guy worked like non stop, you know, as a detective. He was always working. But he was getting ready to go to bed and he said a voice told him to go, I want you to go pray for him in jail right now. And so he literally got out of bed. He came over there and I looked up and he's like, John, man. He's like, what happened? And I was. And I just, you know, head hung. He's like, I know this sounds crazy and I don't know that you're going to want me to do this, but I really want to pray for you. I feel like God told me. God told me to come pray for you. And as soon as he said that, man, like, I don't know how to explain this feeling, but it was like something washed over me. And just like, literally, I knew that my faith right there was strong. I knew that God cared. And like, it just changed my whole perspective in that moment. I mean, my hair on my. My body all stood up. I weeped like a baby. I hadn't weeped in a long time. I mean, I. I was always taught that men don't cry. And you, you know, you take your licks and, you know, I lived in a bad neighborhood, so you don't cry in front of people. But I hadn't weeped like a baby in that moment. And then from that day forward, man, like, I've just felt the spirit of God with me. I felt him directing my paths. And I haven't always been perfect. I'm definitely not perfect. I do a lot of stupid stuff. I, you know, I've been on air since 2010, so I've said who knows how many stupid things along the way, but there's always like this guiding force that's guiding me and led me to reading the Bible because I had kind of written off the Bible. Going through Bible college and everything, I thought it was just a recreation of the old mythological tales. And so I had written it off and. But I remember, you know, asking God, like, what do I do? And he led me to the Bible. He led me to that by showing me that it was his word and that it is legitimate. And so that led me even further down the path. And here I am. That was 2010. So, you know, that's like when I started, literally started from that moment, starting to try to do video. I didn't do much YouTube, but I did like a local show called Revelation 12:11 where I would interview people about their testimonies and it would be on like the local television and stuff. So I kind of got the Getting into the media thing was like, nat, for some reason, natural. I started doing music. Before that, I was into music in bands. We, you know, punk rock bands, we tour little hardcore bands, or I would tour with another band to play guitar for them or something like that if they needed me. And so that's kind of my background. So I knew media music and stuff like that is. Is the route. And then after that happened, a couple of the detectives that I knew from the police force through my friend that came in. His name was Nathan Shore, by the way. Like, his. He's dead now, but his testimony, you can see it on like I am second. So he's. He's still out his. His words still out there. He actually reached more people in his death than he did his life. I mean, it was pretty amazing. His life. But yeah. So after that, we started doing a record label, a Christian hip hop label. And we started out by doing local shows and trying to get, you know, feed the neighborhood. And started in my neighborhood because my neighborhood was getting worse and worse and worse. The. The projects people, you know, almost all the kids in that neighborhood, they really didn't have parents. I mean, their dads were in prison, their moms were prostitutes, and. And the neighborhood was getting worse and worse. So we started doing that. Then it started getting a little bit too big. First britches, in my opinion, like, to the point to where, like, you know, we went. They wanted to like, silence the. The messages so that we could gain more acceptance. And that's when I kind of bounced out and started really pushing. Now you see TV since 2016, so that's kind of my background, how I got into it.

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David Lee Corbo (15:57)

Did you experience a lot of. Because of your background and where you came from, and you said that you've been on air for 10 years now and so you've made your fair share of mistakes?

Matt (16:07)

Oh, yeah.

David Lee Corbo (16:08)

Pushback from the. I guess the Christian community at large as to your nature, whether or not you're a Christian, the way you come off the. Maybe the language that you use.

Matt (16:23)

We're asking for a friend.

David Lee Corbo (16:24)

Asking for a friend.

John Pounders (16:26)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, oh, man, I've spaced. So much backlash because a lot of it happens, you know. Yeah, I've used language. I've done things, I've said things. And, you know, that should be expected if anybody's like, you know, if one thing that I found out is the people that act like they got it all together, like, they've got some really dark skeletons in their closet. Mostly because it's easy to put up a front. It's easy to not cuss. I mean, you can just not cuss if you want to, but there are times when the words are meant for a reason. Like, they're said because they. There's emphasis wanting to be placed. But people put sin it. They. They make up their own sins. Like, they make up the. The idea that saying a word that used colorfully is a sin or a smoking of cigars a sin or whatever, you know, but they make them up where the Bible actually tells you what sin is. So I don't worry about that. What I worry about is, like, when I actually was dogmatic about something that I found out I was wrong about. And I've had to eat crow about that. I've done that several times. And so really, just in the last couple years, I've learned. Okay, I can't be dogmatic about most of these things unless I know for sure. Like, I've seen it with my own eyes. I know this, and this is what it is. Like, that's the only time I feel like I can be dogmatic about it for, like, so, like, in my life, basically, I can only say that I have faith in Christ. I know the situations that I'm put in, been put in. I know what happened to me. And, like, this is why I believe. But I can't prove anything, really. I think we're at a point in his in time right now to where it's hard to prove much of anything. You only have to live by faith and by what your spirit sees because there's so much out there in the physical that's meant to distract, confuse, deceive. I mean it's, that's exactly what it's meant for. So it's hard. It's a tough, tough one. You're. When you're out there like that, saying things dogmatically, that's where I think a lot of people run into problems.

David Lee Corbo (18:24)

It's a, It's a hard time right now just in this information exchange. Right. Information warfare is sort of what we're in. And you can kind of say that

Matt (18:32)

sounds nailed it, right?

David Lee Corbo (18:32)

Yeah, well, you could, you could say that right now with a drop of the Epstein files. You know, we're in the fog of war in very many ways. I don't know where all this is going to settle, but I today fell for a thing that I'm vehemently, I'm vehemently opposed to, which is manipulation by emotion. So what I came across was this video on X. And it's, it's rough, man.

Matt (18:57)

It's like, oh, yeah, I saw that. I was gonna tell you.

David Lee Corbo (19:00)

Yeah, no, I fell for it. I stepped right in it and, and I, I actually took it down. I don't really take a lot of things down, even if I'm wrong, because if it's obvious that I'm wrong, it's like, well, look at that. The only, the reason I took this down is because I didn't want more people to fall for this emotional manipulation. But it was a bunch of kids. They're in sort of what you might imagine is like an MK Ultra facility, right? Where they're doing trauma based mind control experiments on these kids, which is something that we talk about all the time on this show. And so I. It was right up my alley. There's a bunch of kids lined up against the wall and one of them is tasked with something at a desk. They're. They're writing something and I guess as a tactic to get the kid to, to perform. They snatch one of the kids off the wall and they start, you know, drowning them and then pulling them back up and drowning them again. All the kids are freaking out. And to me it reminded me of that Podesta thing, an audio recording that's allegedly Podesta. And he's like screaming at some kid and this kid is freaking out and it's a hard listen. And you know, it's just the nature of, I guess, reality, you know, you come across these darker aspects of what's going on behind the curtain, and, you know, they pull at you, your heartstrings. And I just posted it. I said that. I said, man, this reminds me. And then wouldn't you know, somebody comes up and goes, dude, that's. That's from a movie, dumbass. And I go, ah, yeah, man. And I realized that they got me. It was that. It was that. That emotional leverage. And it's something I try to be really careful of. But in my, I don't know, you know, exploration of the truth, I've been wrong a ton. And right now, I mean, you've been doing this for 10 years. You've seen the landscape and the way that it's changed so dramatically, right? I mean, 10 years ago, 2016, we're kind of getting in it with. With. With this whole Pizzagate Epstein thing. It really comes to a head. 2018, 2019, the world changes dramatically after that. We get Covid. I mean, just when you're looking at information and information as a landscape, it has. It has been so. It's been a roller coaster. It's been insane. The peaks and valleys and. And the. The crazy twists that we've been subjected to. If you're really somebody who's been looking at this. And now here we are, you know, we get to talk to you 2026, where it seems like we're at this precipice of a big moment, a big pivotal moment. I don't know where things are going to go. I don't. I don't really. I try not to get into the realm of predictions too much. I mean, maybe I'll. Maybe I'll leave that up to you. Given everything that you've seen and how long you've been doing this, this is a unique place to be right now. What. What do you think is. What do you make of what's happening and where we're going?

John Pounders (21:45)

Oh, man, this. This is really hard to answer, of course, because nobody has. I don't have a crystal ball here, and even if I did, I wouldn't be looking at it. But I. But I do think that, you know, looking back at 2016, I think it was 2016 or 2017, I made a viral video about the whole thing you're talking about with Podesta and all that. I don't even want to say the word just so it doesn't get your. Your YouTube channel. And not that it would, but I. I got. I paid the price for that. I lost monetization. Back then, over that, and then again in 2020, I paid the price. And now I see everybody speaking openly about everything. And it's really, really strange to me when I see what's going on. And I, I try to think, look at things like you're talking about, not emotionally, because it'd be easy just to jump in and jump in on the fight and start kicking the dog in the head or, you know, whatever, start kicking the guy in the head because he's already down. But looking at the cycles of how a lot of this stuff works, it's like they give a time period for people to talk, and then that way it kind of pushes them into an echo chamber and pushes them into a place where they want to fit those people. And so, or. Or it might push them into persecution or, or whatever. And so I'm wondering if that's what's going on, because it seems to be like, since 2020 and a little bit further past, it took a little while for the censorship to kind of like weigh down a little bit. But I'm wondering, like, what, why, why all of a sudden, why are they allowing all of this stuff? It just seems too good to be true. Because I, I know what happened then. They had such a. They could easily just take it all down that quick. And it makes you wonder, are they giving people options to, to share now so that they can make lists so that they can hear everybody's full opinion on the thing so that they know what to do when the time comes? Like, okay, this person said this, we know. And an AI can easily put those people on list. It's not like they have to go through and, you know, check everything. AI's already got it all sequence together about who's who and what, who does what. I notice the algorithms on my Facebook and YouTube. When there's a strong psyop coming on, I get, I get shadow banned because. But I don't even talk about it, but I know that I, I'll talk about something else. And the Shadow band comes. There's. Every time there's a major psyop, I get shadow banned because they know that I'm going to say something that might make sense and they, they want to keep that down. They even tried to pay me to be off back during COVID I don't know if you'd remember. They were doing that to people. They were trying to pay people to be off social media during the COVID thing. And so I even got offered that, just like a lot of other people did at the time to not say anything. But I would assume that everything that comes out is a part of the psyop. It's a part of the theater that they actually want you to under. They want you to know these things. It's not like. It's not like this is coming out. Oops. Oh, no. Like there's a whistleblower. All of those whistleblowers that have come out about the aliens that have come about, about everything. Like, you have to assume that at least half of them are liars and at least half of them are telling something fake in order to deceive you, to mislead you. You know, our media hasn't been free media for a very long time, if it ever has really. I mean, ever since it's been owned by a few people.

David Lee Corbo (25:07)

Yeah, yeah, it's.

Matt (25:09)

We, we had, we were presented with that, that choice, like red pill, blue pill choice in one of the shows that we did with somebody. And it was an interesting one because, like, you know, as he's like doing the Morpheus thing, saying, here, choose left, right. Like I smacked, you know, smacked his hand. I was like, no, neither man. Like, obviously these are both two sides of the same coin and they're, they're headed in the same direction whether we like it or not. They kind of just want our consent to take one side or the other. But the idea is to look through the psyop or I, I mean, as best as we can, right? We bang our heads against the wall all the time because, you know, I don't know, Tucker Carlson is talking about the Nephilim or.

David Lee Corbo (25:47)

Oh yeah, Wes Huff was just on Sean Ryan show, and Sean Ryan is putting out these, these thumbnails and it's all about the Nephilim and the Book of Enoch. Like, how wrong are we? You know?

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John Pounders (27:03)

The Candace picking up Rob Skiba's information and all that. Yeah. Where were they when it counted? That's what I want to know. Like, where were they when all of this stuff. Actually, I felt like there was a time when maybe something could have been done, you know, and now it's like it's. The balls rolled so hard. I don't think. I really don't think there's any stopping what's coming. Like, I don't. I don't really don't. Man, I. They've got so much in. In place already. Back then they had to censor people because they didn't have it all in place yet. And so we. There could have been a mass repentance, but they didn't want that. They wanted. They even had a fake revival thing that took place at the DC just to like harbor a real revival, you know, that like. Because there's no. There's no revival without repentance. And it was all about pride, American Pride, Amer, you know, pride, pride, pride. Nothing about repentance. So.

David Lee Corbo (27:54)

Well, that's the thing I think they're doing right now, which is like, you know, as we come closer, I'm of the school of thought that we are in, you know, the, the prophetic times of, of the book of Revelation. Either that or somebody's manufacturing prophecy, which

Matt (28:09)

to that I say, what's the difference?

David Lee Corbo (28:11)

Could that well be the same thing? Right? But I think that as we inch closer in these days, more and more truth will be revealed. It's going to be harder to keep it back. What they're doing right now is they're. They're positioning their selected mouthpieces, right? So they weren't saying it back in the day because there was time. There wasn't gonna, you know, people weren't gonna become aware of these things. Now, as we move into an era where, you know, maybe, maybe the public is going to be made aware in, in some shocking way, one way or another, that these things are real. Well, now, who are the most. When you do a Google search, right, who are the most viral people that you're going to see? Well, Candace Owens is going to come up. Tucker Carlson's going to come up. And I don't really know what to make of them. I'm not even condemning them. I think it's weird when you look at the Candace Owen things and she seems to have been part of some sort of a program, like she's a Gates program, MK Ultra baby. It seems like the things she's talking about with, with Charlie Kirk, if they're true, seem to line up with. He would have been one of these kids that went through these programs and then was. Was kind of followed all throughout life.

Matt (29:17)

Now, most people with time travel, astral

David Lee Corbo (29:20)

projection, all this stuff, and it's like people instinctively recoil at that. But, you know, given the research that we've done, the. The conspiracy community at large has done, you go, well, that does fit in a pattern. So if I'm to entertain that that pattern adheres to, like an MK Ultra kid or, or a Gate program kid or, you know, any of these kind of operations where they're taken by an intelligence agency and they're traumatized cause states of disassociation. You know, maybe they were. They could have even been raised in a lab from the jump, you know, detached from there. Who, who knows what the situation is. But what I'm. What I'm recognizing is like, oh, she's talking about a thing. She's talking about a thing that a lot of people are going to recoil

Matt (30:02)

at, but we're left to deal with the question of why or, I mean, you know, we're crazy people. So I, I immediately go, she's. She's quoting Rob Skiba. Was Rob Skiva wrong? Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (30:13)

Yeah.

Matt (30:14)

And then I go, wait, wait, wait. That doesn't, that doesn't line up because there's a lot of other people that, That I do trust and I, I like their work that verifies this stuff. So. No, but the question, the real question is why right now? Why is why are we moving in a breakneck, Breakneck pace to inform the public of these things now?

David Lee Corbo (30:31)

Yeah, well, I mean, I would say, you know, Cass Sunstein, cognitive infiltration. If the truth is going to come out, you want to position your thought leaders in the, in, in these circles, right? So if your camp demons and Nephilim, when, when they do disclosure. Okay, well, Candace has got them and she's on the leash. We got her since she was a kid. Oh, we got it. She's got a. A thing in her neck. We could zapper.

Matt (30:55)

You know, we don't know if she's got it.

David Lee Corbo (30:57)

I don't know if she's got a thing in her neck. What do you think, John?

John Pounders (30:59)

I think you're right, man. I think that's exactly what I was going to say there. They have to have their controlled opinion out there for that because a lot of people are automatically going to believe that. I mean, we've been pumping nephilim in people's heads and you know, for a long time, a lot of us have. I mean, there's people that have been doing it for 30 years have been talking about these things. Most believers are, know about these things. So they have to control that narrative because whatever the deception is that's coming, they have to have these players that are there that are speaking about it, that believe what they're saying and they're out there pushing their narrative. They have to have that. And it's crazy because when I look at the narrative, I've done a little bit of research here and there on what it looks like to me. I always try to see, like, you know, I've read a lot of the Tavistock books, like the people that have written books from Tavistock, and you see their methods. And this looks like the Alice in Wonderland technique is what it looks like. Because what they do is they'll pump all kinds of nonsense. You remember when Alice went down the hole, they had, she was sitting at the table in the Tea party and the, the crazy Mad Hatter was there, the other one. They're always just nonsense, telling her nonsense and leading her on these weird paths. And then that's, that's exactly what they're doing with the disclosure thing because there's a lot of well meaning people probably out here on the disclosure teams that they're believing what they hear from the whistleblowers. They're believing what they hear from whoever the handlers are at the top, like the military people that have maybe invited them to the meetings or they've talked to them about it and they're gonna, they're gonna hand pick specific people that are great mouthpieces already and they're going to probably not co op them knowingly, but it's going to be like, look at this information we've received. You see how this happens? This has been happening to people. They'll, they'll have a false inform format, call them and tell them a story. I mean, I used to get people all the time calling me, telling me such bull crap stories that I thought they were real for the longest time. Like when I was researching the satanic ritual abuse stuff and I was doing the documentary, you know how many people I called that were frauds? Trying to tell me their story and trying to mislead me in directions that weren't even real, like it happened. And these were, these were people that were co opted by somebody to do it. I don't know, I don't know who but they were calling me or they were just demonic and they, they knew that I needed to, to be thrown off the trail a little bit. But like that happened a lot. And so if you believe everything you hear then you're probably not going to know much about it. So you know, in a lot of these situations you have to, you know, the algorithm is going to feed you and I think a lot of people are going to be deceived. I don't know what there is to do about this situation. All I try to do is like inform people that look, I've dealt with a similar situation. This is what happened to me. Like this is what I know. But I can't, I have been not quick to base my opinion off of what somebody else tells me. If I haven't experienced that for myself I just, it really can mislead you a lot. Because people have fantastic stories and they may believe them, they may believe everything about their story, but it doesn't mean that their story is correct. And I think that right now we have to be very careful to maybe look at what the Bible says about some of this stuff and hold on to that rather than listening to the stories. Because there's going to be a lot of misinformation right now like it's going to be if you're the purchasing manager at a manufacturing plant. You know, having a trusted partner makes all the difference. That's why hands down, you count on Grainger for auto reordering. With on time restocks, your team will have the cut resistant gloves they need at the start of their shift and

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John Pounders (35:23)

that's going to be, the key focal point is going to be misinformation because this, I believe that this reveal is one of the biggest points of deception that the Antichrist is going to use. So how is he going to do it? Like, you know, we need to look at that and really think about it rather than just taking a whistleblower's word or some, you know, guy that's underneath mad contracts that really can't tell the truth anyway and you already know it. You know, like you have these guys that have these crazy contracts that are going on these big broadcasts telling all, but yet they're fine, they go back to work. I mean, they're not telling you the truth. Come on.

David Lee Corbo (36:01)

You know, even, even within the body of abductee testimony, which in my opinion I, I, I look too often as a greater source of confidence, you know, in the nature of the, the, the experience than I do for many of these kind of talking heads or intelligence agencies or you know, used to be a contractor for the CIA kind of guys. But obviously they can be deceived. You're dealing with something, there is an aspect of it that is very real. Right, because I think you have to leave room on the table for advanced technologies and spooks, you know, that I, I do think that there are operations, government programs that are potentially kidnapping people and showing them images of a thing that's so profound that they'll never go out and espouse it for fear of being ridiculed. When in reality what's happening is you're being abducted by some sort of, you know, MK Ultra adjacent program. But I do think that there is a real non human entity aspect to this phenomenon. But those things, and I'm sure that there's an array of them, are likely very clever, very old, and are going to deploy very similar techniques. I think that one of the things that I've noticed is in all the years of the abductee phenomenon, these entities will often impart not only kind of new age Gnostic ideals to the abductee, but they'll also frighten them with a end of the world cataclysm prophecy of some sort. And what I have noticed is much like, what would you call that global warming, where in the 80s, you know, the coastlines of Florida were going to be gone by 99. You know, whatever the predictions were, these, these times would come and go and, and lo and behold, that hasn't happened. Obama's have property in Martha's Vineyard, you Know, you wouldn't buy property there if you thought that that coastline was going to vanish at some point. And so it's very much the same thing. And the calamity, the cataclysm will change. You know, sometimes it'll be like an asteroid impact, and then they've kind of moved away from that. And now we're left with this polar shift thing, which. Which I do see prevalent, like, in the. In the conspiracy communities. Even Elon Musk keeps, you know, kind of hitting that button, talking about a polar shift. And so it seems like the reason, or at least you could speculate the reason that they're. They're telling these people that these things are going to come to pass and then they're not, is because it creates a sense of urgency in the victim to go out and then spread this New age gospel that they've been given, you know, by their. Their abductors. And so even. Even within the body of abductee testimony, it's hard. You have to be grounded. Yeah, I would say, in the gospel, but you take these things and you kind of. You look at them and you analyze them through that lens, because even the people that are going through it, some people will say, I was abducted, inherently demonic. And other people will come back and they'll espouse this New age gospel, and they'll say Jesus was a Pleiadian or something like that. So everywhere there is disinformation and deception, you know, at a level that's like, far beyond the capabilities of an individual to discern. Not without some help.

Matt (39:30)

Seems like lately the disinformation has been coming from inside the house.

David Lee Corbo (39:34)

Yeah.

John Pounders (39:34)

Which is a.

Matt (39:36)

Something that kind of got our hairs up a little bit for a little. I don't even know if I want to rehash. This is just.

David Lee Corbo (39:42)

Well, I mean, whether or not it's disinformation, what you could say if you were being generous is that we don't know. We don't know. And there's a real problem with, like, leaning on your own understanding. You could take in information, you could try to fit it into your worldview,

Matt (39:58)

and the best we can do is get the stories and sift through them.

David Lee Corbo (40:02)

Yeah.

Matt (40:03)

And that's kind of what we do. Like, we hear a lot of stories, and sometimes after the show, I'll go, I don't know.

David Lee Corbo (40:09)

Yeah.

Matt (40:10)

And sometimes we go, hey, man, that fit like a puzzle piece.

David Lee Corbo (40:13)

Yes.

Matt (40:13)

And that's strange, but it's not a puzzle piece that I'm going to put right in the center of my puzzle.

David Lee Corbo (40:17)

That's.

Matt (40:17)

Jesus Christ. That stays there. These puzzle pieces are on the periphery, and I'm just looking at them and I go, okay, that one goes there for now. And if it doesn't get moved for a while, so be it. But yeah, we're trying to, like, have a broad view of all this stuff because it's very confusing. And, you know, we've been beset upon by people who do know. They know all the stuff.

David Lee Corbo (40:37)

And they're. They're good at information warfare.

John Pounders (40:39)

Yeah, they think they know. They think they know. That's the thing. So when you really boil it down, the. My grandpa used to tell me this. My grandpa was a wise, really, really wise guy. The more I think about it, now that I'm older, I'm like, man, this guy has told me so many things that have just like, wow, I found out he's telling the truth. But he said that if there's. You have to ask yourself, the first question is, is it really knowable by a human? Can a human actually know? And if the answer is no, which. The answer to this is no, a human can actually know everything that's going on, then the only. The people that are telling you things about it. He told me, the only person that's telling you the truth is the one that says they don't know. He's like, they can tell you this door, they can tell you this door. But really the only one that's honest is the one saying they don't know. Because we have to be that way in order to be honest. And that's why, you know, I'm not dogmatic about things anymore. Because once you realize you're wrong, you have to understand that in order to be. Maintain your honesty, you're just gonna have to own it. You're gonna have to own it and realize you don't know and be okay with not knowing. That's where I'm at with this whole thing. I can only tell you what I've experienced. And you have to believe that or not believe in it. And that's really the reality of it. But nobody knows really what's going on. Because if you really think about all of the stories, yes, there's physical aspects, yes, there's mental, there's spiritual aspects. All of these things are actually happening to people. But do you really know that they're happening to people? And do you really even know that what they're saying is true? You don't. You really don't know any of those things. And if they Are things are happening that are testable. We're dealing with an ancient species that's thousands of years old, that is far more advanced and wise than we'll ever be. And so, of course they're going to mislead us about what they are. And so does a human know?

David Lee Corbo (42:34)

No.

John Pounders (42:34)

And so who's telling the truth? The one that says they don't know. That's. That's my opinion on that whole thing, that.

David Lee Corbo (42:40)

We had a conversation with a guy recently, and it was a bit of a struggle session. And when it came to this topic specifically of, you know, abductee experiences and everything, one of the places where things got weird and what you said just now really resonated with me, and it brought this to my mind, is that we're talking about the abductee experience. And he contested that it's always physical. And I've looked at the phenomenon for a long time. All I can say is I know that people are having experience. I don't understand the nature of it. I have some ideas, and I'm leaning towards those ideas, but that's about the best that I could do. But in that body of abductee testimony, you get a bunch of stuff, man. You get, it seemed like this one was physical, but another time it seemed like this one happened in, like, maybe like an astral realm or like a spiritual realm or maybe like a dream escape. So. So he's saying this to me, and I go, well, that's not the case. I mean, I've heard plenty of stories where people. And he goes, no, the data is settled, and this is a physical phenomenon. And I went, why the hell. Why would you say that?

Matt (43:42)

Why would you say that?

David Lee Corbo (43:42)

Dr. Fauci, trust the experts.

John Pounders (43:45)

Science is settled. Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (43:47)

Yeah. It's exactly what it was. And so that is a huge. A hugely important thing to remember is we're dealing with things that, number one, they're shrouded in lie, and number two, up until this moment, this really fun time in history, 2026, where we're not being laughed out of the room. Up until this moment, we were laughed out of the room. You were dealing with things that were considered pseudoscience or. Or, you know, quackery if you were trying to look into psionics and things like that. So to all of the sudden cross this threshold where the conversation is. Is being allowed to happen on a level that at least is. Is maybe just slightly hovering above ridicule because, you know, you still. You still have those people who refuse to believe that the world is anything other than, you know, what the official narrative says to be in this time where we just got out of those waters and to go, and now that we're here, it's all settled, and trust the experts and the data is conclusive. This is what the phenomenon is, is, is a remarkable, A remarkable thing. And what I'm worried about is trying to point people towards Christ in a time where it looks, you know, you were talking to us before the show and you brought up Laura Trump, seemingly alluding to the idea that Donald Trump is going to do disclosure soon. I had a buddy text me and he says, are you aware of the July 8th prediction? That. And it's always a prediction, you know, so it's not necessarily that that means much. But he's also saying, yeah, it seems like there's whispers that Trump is going to do disclosure July 8, and, you know, a quick search on Twitter, just the words Trump disclosure. You'll see that discussion being had on many, you know, reputable platforms. You know, it's no longer just in the fringes of, of podcasts. It's actually on stages that, you know, once held some sort of prestige when it came to information dissemination. So all I'm worried about is, is pointing people towards Christ. Let me ask you a question then, John, how it seems like you're in alignment in that way. How are you navigating this information soup and in a way where you can orient people, where you go, like, I don't know what the answer is, but I know that Jesus is important.

John Pounders (46:13)

Absolutely, man. I think that's the most important aspect of all of this, is how do you root people back to Christ? Because I believe he's the answer for all of this. Anyway, I, I always tell people, especially if they're having a. And, and this may not be what you're asking. If it's not, then, then correct me and I can miss or go a different way with it. But I, I always tell people when they're having these experiences because I've had an experience where if I didn't wasn't a believer, I would think I was getting abducted. And because of my belief and my authority in Christ, I was able to stop it. And that's what I tell other people, you know, so, like, that's the way I navigate it through scripture. I believe that, yes, there are physical aspects to this, because really, if you, if you think about it, this is the question, what separates the physical from the spiritual? That's a hard question to answer sometimes, because even if you're doing mind control on somebody. A lot of people would say, well that's spiritual. But is it spiritual? Is it not? We don't know. It's, there's everything works together in some way, shape or form. But I do think that the spiritual aspects or things we can't see, like that's kind of what we can, we can maybe take, make the term and define it that way. Like in the Bible, everything that you can't see is in the spiritual. And so let's, let's just use those words. Let's use that. We can't see it, we don't understand it. We'll, we'll use it, we'll call it spiritual in some way. Whether it's bad spiritually or good spiritually. It has the, has to do with aspects that are unseen by the human eye. And so I try to point people to that idea. And then also because look, I mean here a lot of people give me flack for this because I do say that literally everything can be found in the Bible. And I really do believe that. I know that a lot of people would say that, that you, look man, you're just being a reductionist or you're being a, a Bible kook. But I, I think there's more about the Bible than people give credit for. But looking at all of this stuff, the fallen angels, like in the scripture, if we believe one third of the angels fell, we're believing that at least 33 million came to earth because the Bible says in two places that there were 10,000 times 10,000 angels plus an unnumbered host. So if one third of those fell, that's a hundred million, 10,000 times 10,000, 33 million of them have either fallen or are going to fall from to earth. And if that's the case, and if there, there's Reptilians, there's, you know, the Seraphim or reptile. Like there's all kinds of different angels that we don't even understand or know about. And they're here on earth. They could be looking like human. I mean, I think this describes and that may helps us understand the actions of these elites when you really look at it, and why some of them look like ancient characters that have been around before. Why some of them love this nasty stuff. They love, I don't even have to mention it, we don't want to get this banned. But they love this nasty behavior that we as humans would look at and be like this is crazy. Then they co opt other humans into doing it into Worshiping them because of fear. I mean, we have, there's a lot going on in this world that can be described by angelic entities. And, and we may not like that term and it may not encompass everything that they are, but that's the term that was used back then to this day. We can call them whatever, we can call them aliens, we can call them entities, we can call them whatever you want. But ultimately they've always been written about. And yes, in the Bible they were called angels, and other places they're called gin. Some places they're called aliens, you know, but they're the same things. It's not like there's this new species of things that have come out. They, they've always been talked about. That's the thing that I think that most people that study ufology might miss or might forget. But when you look back, this stuff has been happening forever. This is not a new phenomenon. This is not something new. Yes, maybe our crafts that we've built because of these, this leak technology might be new, but this is not new. I mean, you have hieroglyphs that of spaceships on ancient Egyptian walls. You have stories of like the Hopi people that talk about ant men bringing them underground and protecting them from the flood. And these ant men are depicted like grays. They have the ant heads and they look, you know, they're got big eyes because they, they live underground. So there's a lot going on here that, that like I said, you'd have to be a fool to say, you know, for sure everything that's happening, yes, the science might be out there and it might say this and that and you can choose to believe that if you want. And if that's the case, then fine. I'm, I'm, you know, I, I have a lot of jealousy for people who can just believe what they hear based off the science because it'd be so nice to just say, yeah, I believe it, man, the science says it, let's do it, you know, and not have a care or thought that. But with the science has been wrong many times and I'm sure with this there's, this is going to be slanted when the powerful people control it. But man, I, it's crazy because you point people to Christ because he has power over everything, over all, all of the earth, over everything was created by him, for Him. Without him, nothing was made. And so I try to stand personally in my life, it's not gone. It's not failed me, it's not failed me to say that God is my power. He's the one that keeps me here, whether you like it or not. I may do stupid stuff, but God's the one who keeps me here. God's the one who sustains me, and he's the one that protects me. And so, like, it's never failed me, even against powerful enemies, even against people that want to ruin me. He's always brought me through. And so, like, you know, I tell people that, like, I can't say that God's ever failed me. You know, if a King David wasn't talking about being abducted in the middle of the night and being tortured and stuff like that because he knew God had his power behind him. I mean, I, I just don't. I'm not saying that that doesn't happen. It does. But if we're not able to be equipped to, to withstand it by at least, at least giving people an option, maybe it's not that. Maybe there are, as a military program abducting them. Take him to a laboratory. But the power of prayer isn't. Isn't Jesus strong enough to withstand any enemy? The Bible says no weapon forms against us shall prosper, and every tongue that rises up against us in judgment, he'll condemn. Let's take those promises and run with them. I mean, this is, these are, this is the time we're in right now. We don't have time to be afraid. If you're afraid, you're not going to make it to where you need to go. If you're, if you're dogmatic about things that aren't true, you're going to miss the truth. You're going to miss something you could have done. If you get caught up in the world and all its emotion, you're not going to fulfill your mission. We're here as a mission. We don't. People that are on a mission don't get caught up in the, the things of the world there. You know, if you're over in Vietnam and you're trying to fulfill a real mission, which a lot of people did the wrong thing in Vietnam, but you don't get caught up in the affairs of the local people. You're not going to be out there, you know, arguing with them about this issue or that issue or whatever, you're going to be doing your mission. And so that's where I try to lead people into this, like, let people talk. You can believe them if you want to believe them, but ultimately, if you trust in man, it's a curse, the scripture says, a curse to trust in man, the only trust that we can have is something that's higher than us and knows more than we do. No one man knows it all. No one man can tell you every single situation that's occurring in this. This reality is certain. Is this or is that. It's. It's got to be that. Nobody can do that. None of us know. None of us were there in creation. None of us have been here for thousands of years. And if we have, then we're not, man. But we don't know. We just don't know. And that's. I think it's okay to. It's okay to be there because God knows. And just like God can protect, you know, people like Job, and then, you know, we need to be praying for that kind of protection, praying for that kind of hedge, because ultimately there's something that's holding them back from protecting some of God's people. And I've heard stories where maybe there are people that can't shake this activity. They can't shake it. But I would say that if you're standing on God and you're standing on his truth, and you're doing what he's asked you to do, and you're walking in the way he designed you to walk, like you're doing his will, I would say nothing can stop you. That's just my thought. That's.

Matt (54:26)

I believe that even I. I've become comfortable with this idea as well. Like, even if. I don't know, let's say these things don't stop. Let's say you're going through persecution, physical persecution. You have ailments, whatever. It's like, hey, dude, you know, just walk.

David Lee Corbo (54:42)

Just.

Matt (54:43)

Just keep going. So life is suffering this, like. And it's not. This life is not meant for us to have all the roses right now, you know, so.

David Lee Corbo (54:52)

And I know it's not.

Matt (54:53)

It's not an acceptable message to say to people because they. A lot of people don't. You know, if your back is hurting you. I don't want my back to hurt. I want this healing right now. Well, maybe you don't ever get this healing, but it doesn't matter. That's not your responsibility. Your responsibility is to take what you have here and carry it forward as much as you can.

David Lee Corbo (55:09)

Yeah.

Matt (55:10)

Step by step. That's it.

David Lee Corbo (55:11)

I think about that. Right. Like, Matt always says that God came and they. They ripped his beard out. You know what I mean? Like, they killed him. And.

Matt (55:20)

And we think, like, you're gonna. You're gonna walk easy.

David Lee Corbo (55:22)

Yeah. Yeah, I think as long as. Especially as the world devolves into chaos and, and, and more and more lies to stand in, the truth is a. It's, you know, you got a target on your back. And I think that there's a lot about spiritual warfare that we don't understand because we've been sort of stripped of our understanding of the spiritual realm. So many people in the west don't even believe in the spiritual realm. And it's a reality. And you're engaged in spiritual warfare all the time. Who knows what thing you're suffering because you're not, you know, equipped to do it. But it's. You brought up Job. And that's been something that's on my mind a lot lately. Excuse me. With these Epstein files and, and how bizarre the disclosure situation has gotten. And we're just in so much. We're in this information soup, like I said before, and, And I've been reminded over and over again of. Of when God is talking to Job and he's kind of talking about his own lack of understanding, and he goes, where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? And, you know, we're here for such a short amount of time. I think it's. It's the folly of a lot of men who were steeped in the occult, who thought foolishly that they could get their hands on this sort of knowledge. And then I. I think it just, you know, it eats away at you like acid, this pursuit of, you know, answers to mysteries that you will. I've gotten really comfortable, even though I was a conspiracy theorist when I was a kid, and I. And I still am. But I've gotten to this place where, like, I'm all right with not knowing. I know enough to get me through this, you know, and I have God on my side, like you were saying, and I. And I don't need all the answers. I'm grateful for whatever God reveals to me, because I do think God reveals things. He talks about the Holy Spirit revealing things to you, truths. And so I'm always grateful for when another connection happens, but these days, I think I. I research less feverishly than I used to when I was a young man.

Matt (57:26)

Well, John told. I don't know if you told us pre show or in the beginning of the show, but it takes a toll, man. I. I'd actually like to hear. I mean, you're. So you're doing all that research, right, for these. In these occult books.

David Lee Corbo (57:37)

I don't want to go there yet. There is one thing that I wrote down because I had an abduction experience as well. Oh yeah. I was not rooted in Christ. I didn't know what to make of this experience. And it was a decade before I was ever saved. Like, you know, as in coming to Christ and accepting him as my Lord and Savior. Can you talk about your experience? Because I think that that is hugely important. A lot of people have experiences. They find them profound. They think that there's no answers in the Bible. Then they, they float on over to the new age or something and they go, oh, this is, this is what I'm experiencing. This is, you know, aliens are the, the answer. What did you, what did you go through, John?

John Pounders (58:17)

Well, yeah, I'll tell you, this is first off to those that have never heard a story like this. This is crazy. This is a crazy thing. But this has really happened to me. This is my story that I happened to me. I don't expect anybody to believe it because it's just one of those things that unless you've experienced this is really going to be hard to believe. But it's very. I'm telling you the truth. So there was a prop. There still is this property, but it's in the south where my family lives. I have, let's see, four sets of family members that live there. I've got, you know, nieces, nephews, aunts, uncles. It's all on the same property, different houses. My grandpa passes away and immediately people start experiencing paranormal phenomenon, just like left and right. My aunt who is mentally challenged, she was actually had a fever really bad when she was a child. And her mentality is that of like a 6 to 8 year old. So she's like not stupid. She, she can read, she can do all the different things, but she's like childish in her ways. So she starts complaining about this giant that is banging on the side of her house, like shaking her house and saying that to come out. It wants to kill her. And she doesn't go out, she's complaining. She's telling people about this left and right. Another family member wake up, you know, her husband is a Greek. He has his Ph. PhD, doctorate in different studies and ancient languages. His wife is waking up pointing and speaking an ancient tongue of like ancient dialect. Yeah, an ancient tongue pointing at something and speaking an ancient dialect. And he didn't understand what was going on. You know, it was confusing to him and, and awful. Also scary. One of my little nieces is experiencing a giant sitting in the rocking chair in the corner of the room. My grandmother is experiencing somebody, something Telling her bad things and stealing, you know, telling her it's going to steal her medicine and telling her all these things. And they're all experiencing these things at the same time. Like, within a couple weeks. It's just like every single day. And they tell me about it, and I'm a new believer at this point. I had my own demons before I became a believer. And I believe that after I became a believer, they were furious. And they tried to do everything they can to reinvade my life. But I, I think they also attacked my family. So anyways, I go there because in my mind I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to, like, see if this is a reality, and I'm gonna do like in the Bible, and I'm gonna pray over these things and see if, if I can. If anything happens, well, I get there and I really, you know, I'm kind of skeptical to begin with, because. Not skeptical with the stories, but skeptical that anything's going to happen to me. Because I really, up to this point, I've never experienced anything to that level. Like, never anything like that. So I'm in the bed and my wife's asleep already. I'm praying and. And I'm deep in prayer because I, I, I just could. I could feel something. By the time the night came, I could feel that there was something, a presence in the room. I could feel a darkness that wasn't there before. And so I'm deep in prayer, and I'm feeling it like I'm like, man, like, I feel whatever this presence is. Like, I'm now feeling it as dark. And everybody else is asleep. And so I'm deep in prayer and, like, within. I don't know how long I was in prayer, but I was still awake. And something elbow dropped me right in the chest and like, just jump down. Boom. And I could feel it, and I could feel its breath on my face. It's pushing down, and it's pushing down so heavy that I can't breathe. And I don't know if you guys do jiu jitsu or anything, but, like, it's like if I felt like I was in a scarfold scarf hold. And where. It's basically where they're on your chest and they're pulling your neck forward and you can't breathe. You're basically getting suffocated. You got to tap out or you're going to pass out. And so I'm feeling like that. And then I have this electric shock that hits right in the, right in the. My spine like, right where it hits the back of my head there, I'm feeling this electric shock that kind of incapacitates me. I can't move. I can't really do anything. And within. Within that time period, my body, my soul. What I feel like is my soul literally jets out of my body and starts shooting forth to the heavens and through the ceiling and everything. And I feel. I remember feeling like I'm dead now. Like, I feel good. I'm like, forget the world. Like, I'm. I'm like, go. I'm gone. I feel great. Like, I'm, like, feeling great. But then I slammed back down into my body. And when I slammed back down in my body, I start saying. I'm like, yeshua, Jesus, Yahweh. Like, I'm saying, like, everything under my breath. I can't speak. But then it stops. Like, he's off my chest. And like, everything in the rooms isn't as dark, but then the lights are flashing. And so, like, as I roll out of bed, I roll out of the bed onto my. The lights were flat, flickering, like, flickering in the thing. And I roll to the side of the bed, and I fall out of the bed and I crawl into the other room. So I'm crawling in the other room, and when I get to the other room, I turn back around and the room's kind of dark again. It's got that dark, like, hue to a real, you know, heavy, thick darkness where you can't. You just feel like you can't see through it. My wife's still in there. So I'm like. Like, I don't know what to do. Do I go back in there? What do I do? And behind me, these beans appear that are just light. I mean, just bright, bright lights. They have kind voices. I'm still scared to look behind me because I just don't know what. At this point, I'm like, trying to fathom, like, what's happening? Am I dying? Am I dead? What is going on? I don't. I didn't know. Like, I just knew that this was happening. And they're like, it's okay, come with us. Just come with us. And everything's okay. And. And I remember saying to him, I didn't want to look back, but I was like, I don't want. I don't want to leave my wife here with whatever was attacking me. And then they said, okay, and they disappeared. And, dude, everything went back to normal. So it was like. It was really, really strange. And I remember thinking, like, if there's such thing as abductions, then that could have easily been exactly what people are experiencing. If I would have went with them, would that have been the abduction? Or if I would, like, was it trying to kill me? I don't know. But this was a situation to where it looks like a lot of what other people experience may be a little bit different, but I definitely felt like whatever it was was trying to kill me, and then something was trying to take me, and it could have been good, good angelic entities trying to take me. Maybe I. It gave me another chance at life. I have no idea. But this is the experience. And that's what kind of got me onto the whole conspiracy thing. Because before that, I was more into, like, music and everything. Like, once I understood that and saw what happened, like, it every day of my life, I don't. I. I think about it in some way, shape or form and think, like, what would happen if I would have went like, what. What was that behind me? Like, what. What is all these things? And what are people experiencing every day? I mean, people experience these things all the time, and it sounds very similar. So, like, not knowing who to call for, not knowing that there's salvation through Christ over everything. I mean, he gives us. He gives us the power to tread on serpents, poisons, everything else like that. So I think about that a lot, and that's really what's driven me for the longest time, is to give people a way to have that peace, that power, that forgiveness that is important, to be able to break free of all. I think everything. I think that literally can break you free of everything. Whether you want to call it physical, it doesn't really matter. I've. You know, I've. I've been broken free of a lot of things that should have crippled me, should have ended me. You know, there's. After I became a believer, there's people that want to end me. I mean, but God saw me through it, you know, he saw me through it, and I'm still here. So you can be here too. I think. I think that it's important to. For people to at least trust God in these situations, even if it is physical. Because God does have a way of making things happen, even when it seems impossible. And even if you. Even if it's the military, I mean, God has a way of being able to take down your enemies. And I think this is one thing that I. That I would love to tell your audience, because I tell my audiences all the time, and I think that everybody I care about, I tell this, but the scripture gives us an identity. And that identity is the children of God. It is the sons of Abraham. Like in Galatians, it says that those that are Christ seed, that are believing Christ or Christ's seed and are heirs according to the promises of Abraham. What are those promises? He'll bless those that bless you. He'll curse those that curse you. So you, you have that power with inside you to where when people curse you, they should expect that they are going to get cursed. And when people bless you, they should expect that they're going to be blessed. And you need to know that that's the reality. And so if these people are cursing, you need to play, you need to pray that they have. Because God has compassion on them. That God has compassion and shows them the truth. Because I've seen so many people come up against me, guys. I mean, over the years, so many people. And sometimes I'm not right about things, sometimes God is. You know, I've been stupid and foolish. I've repented. But like every single one of those people, I look back and I'm thinking like, man, they, they literally curse themselves by coming against me. They literally. Or people that have helped, you know, been along my side, they've literally blessed myself by coming alongside me. And you probably can think of that as well. If you really give it time, give it time because there's times when it feels like, okay, man, these people have cursed me and they're, they're thriving. But give it time and you'll see the effects of that. Like the Bible says that if we just give somebody a cup of water in his name, he'll bless that. And so we need to remember that too. Like when we bless other believers and we curse other believers, we are giving ourselves over to a, a real thing. A real thing. This isn't, this is like the laws of the universe. It's just as, you know, just the idea if you jump off a building, you're going to fall on the ground. It's the same that if you bless God's people, you'll be blessed. You curse God's people, you'll be cursed. So whatever these things are that are doing it, if they're hurting you, they're only cursing themselves. If you remain in God's blessings, there

Matt (68:43)

is the, there is that temptation. Like we've been covering Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes with Matt. Well, I've been doing it on straight Bible and there's a verse that we read and of course, like, you know, I want to Take like, if you're wronging me, I kind of wanna. I kind of just, like, put it right back on you. Because I'm good at it. Like, we can do that.

John Pounders (69:00)

You guys are like comedians, kind of. Because it's hard not to. I'm sure it's like, yeah.

Matt (69:03)

Oh, it's a. It's a reflex, right.

David Lee Corbo (69:05)

Constant temptation. And I gotta, like.

Matt (69:07)

And then like. Yeah, sometimes it goes too far, and you're like, yeah, I gotta, like. I gotta go back and be like, that wasn't good. But it's. We were discussing forgiveness, and the scriptures were saying, like, hey, man, leave that to God. Because when God is going to deal with that person, it'll be like hot coals on that person's head. And then in my head, I'm all screwed up, and I'm like, yeah, hot coals would be better.

David Lee Corbo (69:26)

Yeah.

Matt (69:27)

Than what I. What I just did. But I wanted to say something about your experience. Yeah, yeah.

David Lee Corbo (69:34)

Just.

Matt (69:34)

I mean, I'm sure David's got a lot, but this scripture right here, so. Ezekiel 13:20, and it's mentioned again, I think, below it, the wherefore, thus saith the Lord God. Behold, I'm against your pillows. Wherewith ye hunt the souls to make them fly. And I will tear them from your arms, and I'll let your soul. I will let the souls go. Even though the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.

David Lee Corbo (69:57)

That's an interesting crazy scripture.

Matt (69:59)

So. But what you were just saying about, like. Yeah, everything is in the Bible, Tick. Yeah, dog, Everything's in the Bible. Yeah, that thing, whatever is on you now, we're discussing. We're talking about almost like a function of sleep paralysis, which is just vibration that's mentioned in the Book of Joe.

David Lee Corbo (70:14)

Well, that. It's constant in the abduction experience, too. Paralysis, that electrical feeling that you talked about. I experienced that. That's constant in the abductee phenomenon as well.

Matt (70:23)

That's constant in schizophrenia. I mean, that's constant in. It gets kind of scientific when you start to really look into it. But you said your soul jumped out of your body and it flew away. And over here in the Bible, God is condemning these. I guess they're witches or something, but they have some sort of technology. The pillows, it's like. Yeah, it's some sort of a band when you look at the Hebrew translation. And they were using this to hunt souls.

David Lee Corbo (70:49)

And that's interesting.

Matt (70:50)

Make their soul hunters fly away. Crazy. I don't.

David Lee Corbo (70:53)

Again, well, within the alien abductee thing, the soul harvesting. Right. And it's huge people feel. And that's, I think, the fear that comes upon people. It transcends, you know, typical fear of a physical scenario. It's something you've never felt before. To me, it was the. The impending doom of my mortal soul. Nothing else compared to that level of

Matt (71:14)

fear, because it was.

David Lee Corbo (71:16)

Right, right, right. And I'm not trying to give, you know, the adversary that much power. I don't know what they actually can do or can't do, but certainly the

Matt (71:24)

feeling, you know, what they're like. I think, I think, yeah, yeah.

David Lee Corbo (71:28)

They.

Matt (71:28)

You have a. You have a keen sense of what someone's aiming at, and you're like, oh, that's a vulnerability.

John Pounders (71:32)

Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (71:32)

You're not trying to hit me in the jaw. You're hearing me at my soul dog. I want to ask you something, John. What did you. First, I just want to lay out the fact that Jesus ever works in an alien abduction scenario should make everybody. Because I know there was times where it doesn't work, and we've talked about that. The sons of Skiva couldn't cast out demons in. In. In Jesus's name because they didn't have a relationship with Christ. They were just invoking the name of Christ because that's what Paul did. And then, you know, Jesus even delineates that some of these things need to come out through prayer and fasting. I think that generational iniquity, for example, is. Is a really. It's often the cause of these things that haunt people or abduct people or whatever. I think it was why anything had access to me until I broke those bonds. Because the debt has already been paid. Christ has already paid that debt. You just have to call upon that and ask for that debt to be broken. So I think it was because my grandmother was mixed up in a bunch of goofy shit. John, do you give any thought to the why. Why did this thing have access? Why was it able to operate? And obviously it seems to be in alignment with this demonic realm. It's. It's against the kingdom of God. Or else, you know, this calling on. On. On God, Yahweh, Jesus, like these things wouldn't have applied. Have you given any thought as. As to why it has access or had access at one point?

John Pounders (73:03)

Yeah, I think. I think a lot of this. So if I really look back and. And I have looked back on this a lot, of course, this is something that I've thought about quite a bit. So my grandfather had just died. My grandfather was not a professing believer. In fact, many. He was a. He's very wise. He's like. He. He. He's the guy that I told you that told me what I. What I talked about earlier. But he was not a believer. In fact, there are accusations against the man that he was not just not a believer, but, like, he might have been one of a. A kingpin or something. Like, he might have been something a little bit different than what I knew him as, as my grandpa. So I think after he died, that. That area, that whole property was underneath that spiritual force, that familiar spirit. The idea of familiar spirit means family. It means something that has been with. I also believe that we have angels. Like the idea of guardian angels, I believe that's real. A lot of people don't believe that, but I believe that is actually real and not just because of my own experiences where I've definitely been protected by something that is unexplainable, completely unexplainable, even in the form of a. Of a. Of a human that just came along. I remember, just. Just to give a quick example, I mean, one time when I was a youngster, a teenager, we got in a fight, me and my cousin and a couple other guys with about 20 other dudes at a bowling alley. And we get there, and my cousin's fearless. He's like a little, like, short guy, but, like, completely fearless. Like, he. He will fight into the death. Doesn't care about. Like, he's just like, he'll get in your face. He's like a bulldog. Like, he does not care. And so, like, we're getting in this fight with, like, 40 different people. My cousin's up in their face, like, grabbing them by the hair, throwing them down on their car. And they're not. They're like, you know, they're just kind of like, all there, getting ready to do it. Well, God, all of a sudden, when the moment comes where all these people are getting ready to jump on us, God sends this old van and it parks there, and this dude comes out that looks like. I don't even know how to describe the guy. Like, he looked like something out of a crazy movie. And he gets out and he says. He, like, like, literally tells every single one of those guys. He's like, if you go against them, you're going against me. And, like, he pulls out of the. And he's got, like, all of this, like, guns and everything. And he just, like, looks like this crazy superhero dude. Like, he just pulls out and like, every single one of these guys, like, is, you know, freaked out to no end. Like, they're like, what is. Like, this guy's getting ready to shoot, like, everybody here. And then, right as soon as that happens, the cops come and literally take all of those people. And they are. They all get in trouble. They go to jail because it looks like they're trying to, you know, fight us. And then this guy just gets back in his car, drives off. While the cops are there, nothing ever happens. And we're there, like. And I'm like, in this situation, what. How it should have gone down. We should have all been beat, probably dead or to the ground, like, because these guys were gangsters, they weren't just, like, playing around. They were, like, legitimately a group of guys that went around beating people up on purpose. But this situation happened, and this is unexplainable. This just happens. It comes out of nowhere and these. These situations occur. And. Dude, I'm so sorry, but I forgot your. What? Forgot your question.

David Lee Corbo (76:39)

Well, I was asking, and you. You kind of did answer it. You were saying that you think it's because of the things that your grandfather was involved with.

John Pounders (76:46)

Yes.

David Lee Corbo (76:47)

You got on the topic of. Of guardian angels, but just this idea of, like, familiar spirits and. And them having, I guess, access to the property after your grandfather passes away,

John Pounders (76:56)

you know, access to me, too. And just to finish that, I think, too, also, like, I had demons before. I was a believer. I had. I mean, I really. I was on all kinds of pharmaceuticals. I remember actually praying.

David Lee Corbo (77:09)

And.

John Pounders (77:10)

And because I was. I had unforgiveness in my heart. Something that I didn't really even realize I had. Man, I just happened to, like, really think about it, and I was hearing some guy on. On the TV talk about how unforgiveness, like, makes you sick because you're not allowed to heal. It's like, put you in fight or flight. Everything with unforgiveness completely destroys your entire physical body and everything. And, dude, like, I realized in that moment, I'm like, man, I have unforgiveness, like, for something that happened to me a long time ago. And, like, I still. I'm still holding that stinking grudge. And, like, when I thought about it, like, instantly, I was like, oh, like, I gotta let this go. Like, man, you know, Like, I gotta let this go. And as soon as I did that, dude, I felt the spirit leave my body. It was like it coughed out of my body. It was like the spirit of. Whatever you want to call it. Unforgiveness. Whatever the spirit was, it literally left my Body. And, like, these weird situations happen too, that over and over again, these demons would manifest in people around me. Do you want to hear one of the stories? Do you got time? I'll tell you one of the stories. Yeah. So after I became a believer, this situation happened. Another situation that is like one of the. One of the crazy. I'll tell you two situations. Because this happened, like, almost one thing after another. And I could. Almost knew the demon. I could feel it. One of the situations was I'm at this coffee house. My friends own this coffee house. We're there late at night. We're chilling, drinking coffee, hanging out, talking about the concerts they're gonna have at this venue. Because they have venue. Venue for, like, punk rock concerts. And this. My friend that I hadn't talked to in a long time, I used to do record at the recording studio with him. And he was a. I went to high school with him. He was a pretty good friend. I hadn't seen him in years. He calls me and he says, hey,

Matt (78:55)

John,

John Pounders (78:57)

this is crazy. But he's like, the girl that I'm with wants to see you. And I'm like, okay, like, what's her name? And he tells me her name. And. And I remember this girl. Like, I hadn't seen her in, like, six years, but she came to the studio one time to record an album that she was doing. And I met her there. I talked to her, didn't we. I wasn't a Christian at the time, so it was like, you know, it was different, weird. And he said, listen, dude, like, I gotta tell you this. This is really, really strange, but she's sitting on my lap. She was sitting on my lap. And as the. As she was sitting on my lap, the lights went real dark and her voice changed. And she said, you can see us, can't you? And, like, she sounded like a demon. And she looked at me and then she said she wants to see you. And I'm like, oh, man. Like, this is, you know, like, in my mind, I'm thinking, this is freaking creepy and crazy. So my friends that were there are like, I want there to be witnesses. I want to see what's going down. Like this with this lady tries to kill me. Like, I don't know what's going on. And so we invite her over to the coffee house, and she literally starts manifesting in this demonic voice right away and starts, like, bending over backwards doing weird stuff. And so we cast the demon out of her. The very next week, I'm in Boonville, Indiana, which is a town not too far from where I lived at the time. And we're driving down the road. I'm working for this place called All Green Organics. It was Organics lawn care company. And this is the first one of the first jobs I had after, you know, dealing drugs and all that. So it was like a. My first reputable job that I'd had in many, many years. And thankfully the. The owner of it was a Christian dude and kind of understanding in my situation. He was. He was actually kind of my first mentor. Even though he wasn't a really, like, solid believer, he didn't really know a lot about stuff, but he was kind of like the first guy that kind of took me under his wing after all this happened. And we're driving through Boonville. I look on the side of the road and I see this dude wearing all red, like his decked out red hat, red everything. And he's got this big cross. And his name is actually Obadiah Franklin. You can look him up, I think is like mapping Jesus or maybe something like that. Mobile Franklin. He'll go to different spots and he like posts up dressed in all red, holding this cross, and then he'll preach. He's a preacher. He's a pretty solid dude. I. I enjoyed talking to him. He was a really. Just a servant guy, just trying to get out there and spread awareness about Christ. Whether you agree with the methods or not, whatever.

David Lee Corbo (81:20)

He.

John Pounders (81:20)

That's what he was trying to do. And so we pull over on the side of the road. I'm like, dude, pull over. I got to talk to this guy, like, see what's going on here. And I did. And he's like, hey, dude. Like, I've got late. He didn't say, hey, dude, but, you know, you get what I'm saying? He's like, we've got to. We've got a. A revival going on in this little place here in Boonville at this little building. And if you guys want later come by and check it out. And I remember looking at my friend being like, let's do it, dude. I mean, you know, what's the chances if we run by this guy and then we're invited to a revival? So we go out and treat the lawns that we're treating, and then we go. At the end of the night we go pull into this place and it's this little rundown, like downtown church, and it's not even there anymore, but this church was just like, there was maybe, you know, 20 people at this church. We pull up to it and we go inside. And, dude, this is that, like, it still makes the hairs on my arms stand up. And, like, when I tell the story of my friend, he's like, you know, it just still, like, freaks him out. But we go in there and there's this girl in the front of this church. And she's literally bent over, arch backwards with her whole body back, like, standing like that. And there's all these people praying over her. And she turns to the side like this, like, it looks right, right at me. And she's like, I've been waiting for you. Like, and starts, like, shaking and trembling and. Dude. Oh, my gosh. And so, like, in my mind, I'm thinking, okay, like, this is another demon. I need to go cast this thing out. So I go up to the front, I pray over her, and the demon leaves. And she tells this story. She said that she walked by this church, she was thinking about getting an abortion, and she decided to come into the church. And the demon manifests. And so, like, that liter that start. That kind of stuff happened. That's not the only thing. There's other times when this. This almost. I feel like it was the same demon, but it kept, like, manifesting in people. It happened at a conference that I was at, Take on the World Conference, I think, in 2017, or something of the same demon, I believe. I feel like it was the same demon because just the way it talked and the way it, like, recognized me, I just was like, this is the same demon that keeps manifesting in people around me. But it just. It kept happening. And so, like, I. Where does that come from? And is it a familiar. Is it one that has a vendetta? Is it whatever. But that happened for about three years, and then it's only happened maybe once since then. And that's been a while back. I mean, we're talking 2017. So, like, after that, after, I guess, eventually, over and over, then casting this thing out, it's like, okay, I give up. So I don't know. That's my. My experiences, like, take it or leave it. But that's what.

David Lee Corbo (83:59)

I'll tell you what, though, John. I. I think that I've heard somebody mention before, it might have been Tony Merkel who said that he thinks that these things know who is going to be a problem. And it's like, well, what does that mean? What does a problem mean? And I mean, so we've been given a job. The job is the Great Commission. It's to go forth and make disciples of men. And I think that, you know, you have this story where this woman comes to you and she prophesies over you that, you know, when you're in the church and you're. You're a much younger man, that you're going to speak to millions of people. And. Yeah, it's like the spiritual realm has an idea maybe. I don't know. I don't know how to quantify it. I'm not gonna pretend I know. Just wouldn't surprise me if that is the case. And it's like, you know, John, you've been doing this for. For 10 years. You could have easily, you know, got sucked into the music industry. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, but we all have heard, you know, within the conspiracy communities that the music industry. You want to talk about powers and principalities, Music is a. It's a force. It's a. It's a. It's a tool. And, you know, for the kingdom of God, it's used to. In worship, but I think it is. I heard somebody today, just today say it, and I forgot who I was listening to, but I said, be careful of music because it is. It's a form of hypnosis, and it always is. Is trying to get you to. To accept something. I'm. I'm butchering it. It was much more, you know, elegant the way that I heard it.

Matt (85:30)

Man. What's his name? The. The pianist that came on Talk about Sandy Hook with us.

David Lee Corbo (85:35)

Oh, found. Found. Yeah.

Matt (85:37)

Yeah. When you study some, like. Some music theory, like the lightest music theory we know about pop chords, and that's all like the same formula, and that goes along vibration as well, because you could change the key signature, but the relationship that those chords have with each other for some reason gets replicated. And it's put into every song you

David Lee Corbo (85:55)

hear on the radio, and it's hypnotic and it drills the message.

Matt (85:58)

Yeah, yeah, it's. So there is something to that. Music is def. It's something that I'm obsessed with too, because I'm like. I'm a musician and I played in the church as well, but I always look at that thing as, like.

David Lee Corbo (86:11)

It's like it does something to you. It. It facilitates a thing. It puts you in a state that makes you ready to receive, if you're ready to receive the word of God, I think. And then there's really something to that, but it is an idea or an opinion. So if you take that thing and you invert it and you twist it and you say, now Instead of the word of God, I'm going to. What's going to ride this frequency? This. This, you know, this condition that I've put you in is a bad idea. It's a corrosive idea. And that's obvious, right? I mean, we look at the state of the music industry now, or maybe as it's always been to some degree, and it's like social, cultural, engineering. It's probably the most successful because I was talking to my son. My son's 10 years old, and I go, hey, bud, don't you think it's interesting that, like, the way that you talk and the way that you dress for everybody, like, not just you, almost always comes from music and movies and shows? Isn't that weird? And he's like, yeah, I guess so. And I go, yeah, I guess so. I go, what do you think people would be like if it wasn't for that? And he goes, I don't know. What would they be like? And I go, I don't know. I'm just asking you. Like, I wanted to see what he thought. And he was like, oh, I don't know. But, you know, I just wanted to drop that little thing on him. And.

Matt (87:20)

Well, you're talking about these levels of, like, you're at a crossroad.

David Lee Corbo (87:23)

Right.

Matt (87:24)

And you can go left or right.

David Lee Corbo (87:25)

Yeah.

Matt (87:25)

And I think that God designs that. This, like. This, like a weird question because, like. Because when you try to understand God, you don't. I don't know. I think Ed Mayberry has the best take on it, where he knows what he's designed you for, but it's kind of your choice to go that way. But there's something specifically made up about John Pounders. Like, there is a mathematical equation. If you could, like, look at the ones and zeros of what you're gonna do from your young adult life or from your young life to when you go to jail, to afterward, to what you're doing right now, and there's a set of decisions that you have to make. And I think in the spiritual realm, I think these entities can see those things. They can see this simple equation. That guy is built, and he could do this. We got to detract from that.

David Lee Corbo (88:08)

Yeah.

Matt (88:08)

Push him over here a little bit. Even if it's just one degree. And this is like. This is what we fight against every day about, like, that 1 degree of the misdirection.

David Lee Corbo (88:17)

Yep.

Matt (88:18)

And it's like, well, where does that lead people? If you're not in alignment by one degree, you've Sinned. That's like. That's the archery term, right? So.

John Pounders (88:24)

Absolutely.

Matt (88:26)

Oh, man.

David Lee Corbo (88:26)

Well, that's it. That you thought the path is narrow, right? And so one little misstep, you calculate that out. It's like if you're building something and your measurements are off.

John Pounders (88:35)

Yeah.

David Lee Corbo (88:36)

You go down 20ft, 30ft down the line, and. And now you're off by, you know, a monumental proportion. That's why my constant prayer in all this is like. Because it is tricky, right, John. Like, we're dealing with all sorts of things. We're peering into occult texts, Gnostic concepts. You know, I'm looking at the New age with a new lens, where I used to look at it as something go, oh, that's interesting. Is that what's going on now? I look at it as like, okay, it is, but it's an inversion. And in what ways is it an inversion? And. But that's. That's risky, right? So my constant prayer is. I'm always talking to God and I'm like, if I. Because I almost certainly have at any given time, I'm. I'm now, you know, steering wheels a little bit cocked, may not be much, but if I keep this going, I'm going to go off, you know, off the trail, off the narrow path. Just course correct me, bring me back in, shut that door. All I want to do is be a good servant, whatever your plan is. That's what I want to do. But like, it's a slippery slope, man, because I think we are called to be wisest serpents, right? And, you know, my people perish for a lack of knowledge or lack of understanding. And it is a great tool to bring people to Christ is to say, I know what you're seeing. I understand a bit about it. You're not wrong for seeing this crazy New age principle or Gnostic thing or alien thing or what have you. It's valid. I'm not going to laugh you out of the room. We could even talk about it. I know a little bit about what you're going through and what you're. But like, this is what you need to be focused on. But it's. It's a. It's a risky place to be.

John Pounders (90:12)

It is. It is a risky place to be. I think that, man, I, I really have a heart for people that. To understand this whole mystery. I think that the only mystery worth understanding is the one that brings you life eternal and that brings you forgiveness and purpose. That's the most important thing. And ultimately the only answer for that is yeshua. Jesus, he says he's the way, the truth and the life. And no man comes to the Father through him. I found that for me. Now a lot of people can say well that's your experience and, and I found this through this way. You can say that if you want. But every ancient story, and this is where a lot of people would really hate on me for saying this because. But I believe it to be true. I believe every ancient text, even the Babylonian creation myth, you know, the text about the Anunnaki, they're all telling the exact same story. Each one's got maybe a different perspective. Each one may be allegorical, telling an astro. Theological aspect, but the culmination of all of those texts is that there will be one that comes, that saves the entire world. That's the culmination. Whether it's in astro theology, the sun comes and, and brings out the daylight and brings the light and vanquishes dark. But at the heart of all these stories, there's a man at the heart of all these stories and the only person that's ever lived on this earth that has ever been existence, that claims to be the son of God, that did righteousness, that lived and rose again and is recorded to rise again is Jesus. That's it. That's literally the only one. I've looked at all the stories. Every story has a, a hero, a villain. Every story has a rising sun. But those weren't even real. People like, you know, you look at a lot of people try to tie in Christianity with what's this? I can't think it's like the most common, like the, the Zeitgeist version of it. The.

David Lee Corbo (92:10)

Oh well, I know they have the celestial crux, right? That's the astrological thing where the, the

John Pounders (92:15)

sun, the dying God, the idea of the dying God, whatever that dude, you can. Mithra or whatever.

David Lee Corbo (92:20)

Osiris.

John Pounders (92:21)

Yeah, yeah, they then they also look at the Magi and Magi were Mithra. Mithra cults. Well guess what? Guess who they came to worship. Guess who they came to worship in the end because of all the prophecies of the stars. When they lined up, they came to worship Jesus because he is the culmination of all of those prophecies. It doesn't matter if you're in the Quran. It doesn't matter if you're in the Vedic text. It doesn't matter if you're in the Babylonian creation myth. There's one who comes, who is the son of God. There's one who comes to save the world. And that one is written about in the Bible. It's actually written about in all the books. It didn't give his name because even the angels didn't understand the mystery. The book of Hebrews talks about the angels not understanding the mystery and they've come to check it out because they don't understand. They didn't, they didn't know. If they knew, they wouldn't have crucified them. They didn't know. And so, like, now we know, now we have that mystery and everything else can be led. The truth can be led. And it's a personal journey. It's not like, you know, Pounder's quest is going to tell you everything you need to know. Nephilim Death Squad is going to tell you everything you need to know. This person. No, it's going to be a journey and there's going to be people that help along your path and open your eyes to certain things and it's going to be up to you to whether you walk down that corridor and check those things out. But the ultimate truth is how do you live forever? How do you be forgiven? How do you live a new life in a powerful life and a life of light that you're able to lead other people to Christ and lead them to good things? Like I, I, I look at myself and, and I, I ask myself this all the time and this is something that I think everybody should ask themselves and think, have I been a blessing to all I serve?

David Lee Corbo (93:59)

Have I?

John Pounders (94:00)

When I serve people, was I a blessing to them? And yeah, they may hate you now after you've left and done other things, but like, when you serve them, were you a blessing? Did you love people the way that you were supposed to love those people? Did you help them in the ways that they were supposed to be helped? These are all of the things that are of the children of God. So like, we can sit and be high and mighty on our dogma. We believe this and we know this for sure. And all the, the, we understand the prophecy perfectly, we understand the Trinity perfectly. We know it all like you know. But that's bull crap. That's a complete idiotic way to live because none of that is true. You don't know any of those things. But you can know where your path is taking you. You can know that when you stand before God that you are going to be counted righteous. Maybe nobody else knows that about you, maybe nobody understands that about you. Maybe everybody pushes you down, but you got to expect that that's going to happen. They did that To Jesus. They pushed him down. He was literally the son of God walking around healing people from, from. So just to give you an idea of what he did, and I've been going through Matthew with my Bible study from the very get go. He goes 40 days in the wilderness. Satan tries to tempt him. Boom. He shuts that down, says, I'm not doing it. That's the first step of every believer. You go through the process, Satan tempts you. He gives you something and you decide whether you're going to take it or not. The second step, he went to John the Baptist. He got baptized, all right. Then the spirit of God came down on him and said, this is my son in whom I'm well pleased. The very next thing he did is he went around and started healing people of being lame. Healing people that were blind casting demons out. He was going through the city. Hundreds of thousands of people followed him around for a long period of time because he kept on doing things and he kept on healing people. He kept on speaking great things and. And we're not talking about just a few people. Yeah, he had 12 disciples, but literally thousands of people would not even go home. He had to supply food for them. He had to multiply food and supply food. It says 5,000 and 4,000, but if you read that it's just the men, it's not counting all of the women and all of the children who were there. So he was feeding like hundreds of thousands of people because they didn't even want to leave his side because of how great this man was when he walked the earth. And this is not. The Bible's not the only thing that writes of him. This is like a real record of a human that walked the earth and did these powerful things. The religious order was getting pissed. They started getting mad because they're like, this guy's speaking on authority. He's ruining our authority. You know, they had already killed the high priest and taken over and put a mite up as the high priest king, you know, the high priest Zechariah was killed. It talks about that. John the Baptist should have been the new high priest. So he's going around just pissing them off, man, flipping their tables. You know, all the people are following Jesus now. They're not going to the synagogue where these, you know, Pharisees that knew the law were. They weren't going there. They were following him, dude. So like from the moment he was magnified into ministry, I guess you could call it, he was going around doing great things. The people were following him, but the religious order hated him. And that's the way I want to live my life. I mean, that's. If you look about. If you think about it, you want the religious order to hate you. You want them to hate you because they're not doing the right thing anyway. They never have been. Every time the prophet rises up, whether it's Elijah, Nathaniel, all of them, they rise up and they're saying, you guys are doing wrong. And then Elijah, what did they tell him? He said, you're a troubler of Israel. How many times have we been called the trouble of the church? You know, you're bothering the church or you're stepping on the church's toes. Well, they need to be stepped on. They need to be shown the truth about things. Because very seldom has ever been the collective religion has been correct on these things. And when Jesus went around on this earth, he didn't mince words. He did what he was supposed to do. I believe that that's the only truth that really can actually change you in a way to where you know it. Because you have to know these things. Like, I can't, I can't force you into conversion. I can't even talk you into. Has to be something you taste and see and see that, like, okay, now I get it. Like, because it sounds like foolishness to those that don't believe it. The, the what I'm telling you sounds crazy if you don't believe it, but you taste it, you see it and you feel it, you know, and that's all there is to it. Like there's a faith there. The faith comes by hearing here and by the word of God. The word of God's true. We need to be like, looking at that, at least pick up the Bible, read it, see what it says. Ask God to show you what it's saying. I mean, that's really all. All a person like us can do to kind of plant the, the seeds of the gospel. And I know that, like, you know, it's not the most important thing to everybody. There are things that people need help with and we need to be worried about that too. Like, worried about, like, if somebody needs food, don't go and try to preach the gospel to them. Give them some food, then preach the gospel. Show them you care. Show them that you have some kind of heart and love for other people. You know, there's a lot to that. So I'll stop there though, because I could.

David Lee Corbo (99:01)

No, that's, I mean, amen, dude.

Matt (99:03)

It's a powerful message. Also, I mean, we've been, We've been getting more comfortable with the idea of, like, you know, you talk about the body of Christ. Well, there's a lot of different parts of this body, you know, and I think we're not. We're part of it, but we're like the funny bone. So, like. But we play, we play a role. And I can't talk to the people that John Pounders is going to reach or, you know, like, other people will reach. Same way you can't talk to the people that we can reach. And I don't know, it's just this, this line that we got to walk. But I want to respect your time. I just got two more questions. Usually we hit them up with one.

David Lee Corbo (99:35)

Wait, what are you gonna ask? Because I also had two more questions, but I want, I want to see where this is going.

Matt (99:39)

Rock paper says, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. I want to know. I want to know your, Your take on, on the modern church right now, though. Okay? The 501C3 establishment. Because it's a place that I go. It's a place that I've been kicked out of years ago for telling the truth or, you know, making waves and being my. Being who I am. But I'm back now because I, I

David Lee Corbo (99:59)

feel like I'm back, baby.

Matt (100:01)

Back stronger than ever. No, I, I, you know, you gotta have some humility and be like, hey, maybe I was a jerk. And I, I was. And. And then I, I'm going back. And you see the obvious flaws in it for me, as I'm looking at it, but I also see what it does, and I'm trying to really delineate, like, this is a thing. This is a tool. Right. Again, like it's a body of. It's part of the body of Christ. What does it do? Are we using it the wrong. That's just how I'm looking at it now. But what is your opinion on it? How are you looking at it with, you know, the last 10 years of your ministry, what you've been doing?

John Pounders (100:30)

Yeah, I think that I look at it a lot differently now than I did maybe five years ago or even two years ago. I used to pretty much tell people to stay away from it because. Especially new believers, because I thought that they. They kind of are good at putting out fire in people. Like, if you were fire, if you're on fire, for God, they're good at, like, throwing water on that. At least that's what I experienced in that. But if once you're grounded and you can like understand deception from non deception. You can see through people. Like there's like, we all got to get to that point. We all have to get to the point to where we understand the, that's part of wisdom, understanding the human condition and saying, okay, this can be used against me. Now I know this like it's, you know, once you see magician's trick, it, it's, it has lost all its surprise, it's lost all its power because you understand the magician's trick. Once we can get to that, then we can see that there are good people in the church. There are like brothers and sisters that can be like family to us in the church. There are positions that can, there are things that can cause us to grow in our walk, like learning the scriptures. First off, you know, like Sunday school, they teach the kids how to remember scripture. I, I'm so thankful for that. I, I, you know, when I grew up, if it wasn't for that, like I memorized so many parts of the Bible because of Sunday school when I was a child that I would never have known. Now, like, I can ramble off so many scriptures to you guys just because of that, you know, and that's amazing to me. That's a powerful thing also. You have community. However, there are dark sides to every single church out there. Because the devil loves to reside where he can be trusted. And in the church and in schools and in places of power, this is the best place for demons to reside and to hide. Because they are great at transforming themselves into being something better than what they are. They're good at that. They, they're really, really good. The Bible talks about that like Satan and his angels can transform into angels of light. So this is the thing you have to be aware of if you are in the church, know that because it's an organization, because it helps people, because there are children there, because there are naive people there, that there are is a wolf at the, at the sides, at the gate. They're there, they're there. Maybe they might even be the pastor. But there is a wolf there. Know that for sure that there is a wolf in your congregation? No congregation has, no, none. They love to go there. Just like there's going to be a predator. Like, I've got sheep, I've got a flock of sheep out here. There's always going to be a predator waiting.

Matt (103:25)

Always.

John Pounders (103:25)

The question is, do I have a good guard dog? I got a good guard dog right now. He's. I got two, I got two great Pyrenees dogs, Big White look like big polar bears. And they kill coyotes. They kill them, they, they take them out. They'll the most gentle creature in the world to, to humans and to babies and to children. But they will kill a predator in a heartbeat. Not all churches have a predator killer. Most of them don't, because the predator killers are usually the first ones to get kicked out of the church. But so you need to be aware of that, and that's for sure. I've been in so many churches. I grew up in church. My dad was a pastor. And I can tell you right now that the ones that have the best sheep clothing are probably the ones you need to watch out for the most. And so like I, that's what I would say. That's the warnings. Know that if your faith is in some man because he's a grow, he's such a good pastor. Pastor would never do anything so bad. You know, like you've got that idea in your head like you're, you're screwed already because you've put your faith in a man. Know this, that every man, including myself and these guys, the guys from Nephilim Death Squad, we're all capable of doing something stupid. We're all capable of screwing up every single one of us. Like, if you say you're not, then you're a liar, plain and simple. But we're all capable. And so you need to realize that you cannot put your trust in man. Definitely don't put your trust in somebody that's claiming to be better than you because, because that's, you already know that's a lie. Like, we're all, we're all created in a way that is like, I believe we're created equal. I believe, yes, some people are smarter than others. Some people have better physical skills than others. But we all have a purpose. Every single one of us has a purpose. And we all are either going to lord it over people or we're going to help other people. And like, that's the per. The way to decipher what is there. What are their fruits? Are, you know, the fruits of the spirit of love, joy, peace, happiness, long suffering, gentleness, kindness. All of these things that, like, it's pretty easy to see. Does that person have those things or are they trying to be prideful? Are they arrogant? Are they cheating? Are they, you know, who knows? Like, are they hateful? Are they angry? Like, if they're all those things, then you can already know, like, what they are. But churches have all those people. They have all the elements. They have beautiful People and they have evil people. Like straight up evil. You're going to find more evil people in a church than you will. You were talking about the music industry. I was in the, kind of in the, pretty much in the music industry to the point to where even at the, at the Christian industry, like I was, I had, we booked shows with all of the big people, so all the big bands. So like I had to deal with the managers and all that there's evil there. It's like easy to see. Once you get there, you're like, okay. Like there's freaking evil here. Like, okay, these guys, like every manager of all these bands, they all were deviants in their own way. In the church. It's not so obvious. In fact, it's going to be less obvious one big time less obvious. They're not going to show you that because they want to be a wolf and sheep clothing. So beware, as long as beware. But also know that there are good people there that you can make lifelong connections with. I, I travel a lot. Like I'm always, I'm trying to reach out to a lot of people. Like my goal right now is to go and, and just go as far as I can go without being corrupting myself. You know, we'll go as far as I can go to talk to different people without corrupting myself. Even if it means going, who knows? I mean, I don't, I just, I say yes. You know, like somebody's like, hey, can you come out this way? Sure, let's do it. You know, I've gotten. And God's put me in contact with very, very high level people. Because I just say yes. I'm just like, okay, I'll go and talk to these people. But we have to keep in our mind that like we have to be like military. We have to be like military. What's the goal? What's the end goal? Is this gonna keep me away from the go or is this gonna put me in it? You know, if I go to a big party where there's a lot of famous people at it, is it gonna. If I go off with some like chick and have an affair with my wife, is that gonna put me further on my path or is it gonna take me further away? I mean, that's, that's what it is. It's like every decision along the way, you might get into a high position, but you look at like Daniel Joseph. They didn't corrupt themselves, they didn't compromise. But at the end of the whole thing, they ended up very In a very good place. It might not seem like you're gonna end up a good place, but I do believe this, man. I. And I believe this for you guys. You guys have got a lot of talent. Like, I see. I've seen a lot of your stuff. You guys have got the comedy aspect, you know, you've also got just the general likability of what you do. God's going to put you in high places, and it's going to be up to you whether or not you screw that up or not. You know, just like Jesus, you know, it's going to be up to you. So there. But the situation, he always gives us an out. He always gives us a. A way to make that out. It's just going to be up to you in the end, man. And I, I think that for you guys, like, I see you guys coming up and doing this, and I think, like, you know, always look at people when they're coming up. I'm like, are they going to do. Are they going to be like, Jesus, are they going to deny all the kingdoms of the world or are they going to accept it and then are, you know, then I see. You can see it, man. You can see it over time. You start looking and you, you know what to look for. You see, okay, this person's accepted the, the lies of the devil. They've. They've done it and they've. They've sold themselves. Even though if they don't believe that they've done it, they've done it, you can tell, you know, And I just pray that I never do that. I pray you guys never do that. I pray that we always remain strong. But it's definitely important. I don't even know what the question was now, but it's definitely important not to trust people, you know?

David Lee Corbo (108:59)

No, I mean, yeah, we have.

John Pounders (109:01)

Yeah.

Matt (109:01)

Listen, man, we. I haven't been doing this for that long, but I have been in the game for a long time. And, yeah, like, David hasn't been in. In this level of the game that long either. But we've, we've already seen it. You see it a bunch of times. It's been offered and. Yeah, like, it's been offered in a way where it was like. I was like, yeah, no, like, you know, that was easy, but I'm always.

David Lee Corbo (109:20)

Sometimes it's sneaky. Sometimes it's not like an offering. It's like, it's never, it's never like,

Matt (109:25)

here, sign this contract, you know?

David Lee Corbo (109:26)

Yeah.

John Pounders (109:27)

You know, it's like a blessing sometimes.

David Lee Corbo (109:29)

Yes. Yeah. Like, oh, a thing that if you keep saying it and you don't check this idea, you can ride this wave someplace. And is that thing the truth or is it resonating with people that can help you be successful? And we've tossed that to the side. We've been like, oh, wait, that's not true. Yeah, but we could have kept taking that and. And then, you know, been whatever. Yeah, it's. I'm.

Matt (109:51)

I'm waiting. I'm keenly aware of that next. Like, the next thing.

David Lee Corbo (109:54)

Yeah.

Matt (109:55)

Because, listen, I don't care how good you are, that great deception that's coming for everybody, even if you. We could read the Bible all day long. I have. I have a strong feeling that when that thing comes, it's going to be hard to see through, especially even for somebody with good discernment. So I'm just always watching, like, what's that next thing, man? And when am I going to fall off? And when I do, hopefully somebody in the chat or someone.

David Lee Corbo (110:15)

Yeah, you make make fun of fun of me. Yeah, yeah.

Matt (110:17)

Because I fell off.

David Lee Corbo (110:18)

I have a keen awareness that I ain't. And the only reason I get to do what I do is because of God. That's really it. Because I. I will always remember that I tried for a long time without being oriented towards God with zero success. Zero success. And it was only God made me put me through my. My fires and, you know, my tribulations. And then once I realized, once I started pursuing him, then I was allowed to have whatever success I'm having right now. And so it's. All the glory in any of my successes is due to God. Because I did the same thing, you know, on my own with. With zero success.

John Pounders (110:56)

I. I want to respect God showing that's God showing he loves you too, because, like, the same. The same with anybody. I think that is meant for this. They're going to. They have all the tools in the world. Like, you have all the tools to be famous and do whatever you want to do, but God suppresses that on purpose. And I'm so thankful for him in my life, too. Yeah, he.

David Lee Corbo (111:16)

Yeah, dude, he expressed the. Out of me.

Matt (111:18)

Well, even in my, like the. The story David told. I feel like we're gonna keep. I don't want to keep too long, but, yeah, the lady said, you're gonna do xyz. And at the time, obviously, I had no. I was not doing anything like this. And I was actually getting kicked out of the church that I was at. I was playing guitar there and helping Lead the worship. And I was just like, yeah, whatever, lady. I'm out. Like, I'm still playing here, but my, my mind, my body's here now. My mind is out. And then I left the church. And everything in my intention was to do the opposite. Like, I'm not doing that.

David Lee Corbo (111:49)

Whatever.

Matt (111:49)

She. It always, like, in my head. And I was like, there's just no way I'm not getting on a path to do that. And kicking and screaming, I'll show you, lady.

David Lee Corbo (111:57)

How dare you prophesy over me.

Matt (111:58)

It does show the patience of God, because, like, that could have been, like, this is a blessing. And that could just been given to anybody else. Yeah, but he's like, no, no, I'm gonna wait. Yeah, I know you're stupid, but I'll wait because I. I guess I wanted you to do the thing. Whatever we're doing here. I don't know.

David Lee Corbo (112:13)

Well, that's it. Thank God he didn't let me do this when I was dumber than I am right now. But I was.

Matt (112:18)

I was telling him I don't want it, and I'm actually actively going against it. And still he's like, you don't really know what you're saying. So we're going to be patient. And here we are today, I think, well, it's on.

David Lee Corbo (112:31)

It's on. It's on God's time.

Matt (112:32)

We got one more question for you.

David Lee Corbo (112:33)

Well, actually, I have two. They're both kind of silly and they're both short.

Matt (112:36)

We're gonna have to pay him overtime.

David Lee Corbo (112:37)

But I gotta ask because John Galt the Baptist in the chat said, are we as Christians going to have to slay giants and nephilim someday soon? And I know what he's alluding to. It's like this thinning of the veil, you know. I just wanted to get your thoughts on that. Are we gonna possibly have a time where, like, you know, as the days of Noah, these things are back upon the Earth. Giants, hybrids, whatever. I mean, is that too. Is that too far gone for you, John?

John Pounders (113:06)

No, it's not too far gone for me. I mean, I think that we're going to experience something crazy that we don't know what to. How to fathom. We were talking about earlier, like there's going to be some kind of disclosure. And then I think, and this is. I think they're going to start genetically altering people. You know, I mean, like, things are gonna. Weird crap is gonna happen. I believe that whether we're gonna slay him or not, I don't know, I mean, I hope to be ready for that moment. If that's true, I would love to be a part of. I'd love to be a part of, like the. The Nephilim slayer team. I love the idea of it, you know, like what Nephilim Death Squad. That would be cool to, to have a hatchet or whatever it is, and God gives me the power to do it. I don't know. I mean, that would be cool, but I, you know, maybe sometimes Nephilim look different than what we might think. Maybe they're, you know, maybe there's more to this than we understand. But if there is a Nephilim death squad, like, you know, the world, I mean, obviously, other than your guys podcast, if there is a real life, like Nephilim Hunters Club, I hope to be a part of it. So that'd be awesome.

David Lee Corbo (114:11)

I would hope that God at least lets us take a crack at it.

Matt (114:13)

When the communications go down and the lines go dark, the ten days of darkness, whatever happened, the Nephilim Death squad will be meeting at the Standard Coffee Shop. It's called the Standard Coffee Shop because it's the standard Standard bearer. This is where the army regroups and we're going to meet right back.

David Lee Corbo (114:26)

I. I agree with saying that, by the way. That's been on my mind lately.

Matt (114:30)

We'll all get killed by Nephilim giants.

David Lee Corbo (114:32)

Final question, John. This is the last question. It's something we like to ask our guests as we, you know, bring this down for a close and everything that you're doing 10 years, right? You've been doing this. You've got, you know, you've, You've now gone a different way and, and you're exploring it, you know, this phenomenon through different lenses. And I mean, you're still. It's a decade in. In the fight, right? In the Great Commission, making disciples of men.

Matt (114:56)

More than that. Like, more fit. Like 15, right?

David Lee Corbo (114:59)

So, yeah.

John Pounders (115:00)

Are you having fun in 2010? Yeah, I'm loving it, man. Like, I, you know, there's. It's weird because it's such a weird feeling because you look at it and you're like, man, I'm going up against the powers that be. Like, literally going up against spiritual powers. And there's been so many things over the years that are attacks that I've witnessed, things that I've attacked on my own mind, even, maybe not just from other people, but even things that come from me that I'm like, you know, so enveloped in and. And just so many weird paths that I've taken. I've met so many cr. Like, so many people that I'm like, I gotta pinch myself in my. Is this real? Like, am I going through this or am I not? God has shaped a path for me that I never could have dreamed up. But, you know, I really. Not just. I just. I don't want to just tell you about my path, but I want to encourage people. You know, I told myself I never am going to go to the Middle East. I'm never going to. To go out here and. And do this, what I'm doing, because I don't want. I don't want this to happen or I don't want that happen. And I. The thought, the idea of doing it was, like, horrifying to me, but God changed my heart so much that now I'm like, I love this. Like, I want to go and do this. I'm not scared to put myself on the line. I'm not. I'm not afraid to speak about these things. And people think I'm crazy. Like, I used to think that. Like, I was afraid. I was afraid because I was like, people are going to think I'm nuts. Like, I. I already think I'm nuts. Like, I already look at my stuff and think this is crazy. Like, if I wasn't a. If I didn't experience these things, I would think this guy has lost his mind. But God, yet he gave me this desire to do it. And not only to take what people say and use it, but to thrive off of it. Like, the negativity. Like, I literally enjoy it for some reason or another. So it's so strange. But, like, when people talk negatively about me, like, I just feel good. I feel good. Like, I'm like, man, like, this is really, really cool. Because this means I'm impacting somebody. Because when you don't impact people, nobody says anything about you. Nobody says it's a bad thing. It's like there's people that are affected by it so much that they have to do what they can to battle against you. There's people that hate you so much that they're pushing, they're slandering you, they're mad at you. They can't even get their mind off of you because you are doing something. Like, I saw. Like, I take that stuff and I. And I use it, use it, and I love it for some reason. It's like a. It's like a weird thing. It's not like I'm like, oh, yes, these people are mad. It's like okay, I'm doing something. Like, I'm doing something. The spiritual forces are pushing back. They're fighting back, and they're. There's a problem in the spirit realm because of what I'm doing. And, you know, there's a lot of people that I've. That I regret maybe sometimes going against. Like, it was like I was being stupid when I had an argument against this person. Because ultimately it's. It's just a person who cares what they had to say. Like, they might. I might disagree with them. I disagreed with them. Big freaking deal. Like, I could have been wrong and they could be wrong, but ultimately they're just a human. But, like, trying to settle on things that are higher is. Is really important. What. Remind me again what the question was. Dude, I'm so sorry. I'm. I'm, like, getting off.

David Lee Corbo (118:30)

Are you having fun?

John Pounders (118:31)

Yeah.

Matt (118:31)

You sound like you're having fun, dude.

John Pounders (118:32)

Yeah, I'm having fun. I'm having fun.

David Lee Corbo (118:34)

Yeah.

John Pounders (118:35)

I'm just having fun right now.

Matt (118:36)

Yeah, dude.

John Pounders (118:36)

Like, I'm. I'm having fun. I enjoy it. And, like, there's times when I get nervous because I have five children. I mean, I have five children. I have a wife. I have things. But, like, I have to remember, I have to always keep in mind, like, it's temporary. Even if they take everything I have away from me, ultimately it's temporary. It's like I. And like, I think part of. Part of that mindset is because I know, like, I. I don't. And I didn't really understand this until I started doing, like, fight training. Training and fighting, which is I think every man should do, by the way. Like, I think every man should train himself in the art of fighting and get into fights. Like, not like, get yourself arrested, but, like, put yourself in those situations, because you learn through those situations that even though something is going to suck, like, you might literally have somebody on your face, sweat pouring down your nose from them suffocating you, but if you can wait it out long enough, there's a chance that in the end you're going to rise up over this. You know, like, if you can be patient, if you can sit and you can understand that, like, this is part of life, this is what I'm going to go through, then you're going to be fine. Everybody goes through death. Everybody goes through trauma. Everybody loses people they love. That's part of life. Don't let the enemy use that against you to do this. Have fun doing it. Enjoy it. Jesus said. I think Jesus was you Know, at the very end, he's like, I let this cup pass for me. I don't want to do this. Because he knew it was going to be physical trauma, but he also told Peter, get behind me, Satan. Because he knew he had to do it. He knew he had to do it. Just like you guys, you know, you got to do it. You know, you're made for. You know, you're not made to sit

David Lee Corbo (120:20)

on

John Pounders (120:22)

your ass and watch TV and play around and, you know, do that, watch football and just live a normal every life. You know, you're not. You know it deep down inside. You know you were made for something amazing. You know it like, everybody knows it. Like, I mean, I. I don't think I'm different than anybody else. I know it. I've known it, known it since I was a child, that I've made for something different than what this world has to offer. And if you feel that, then are you going to have fun and do it, or are you going to sit and be afraid? Afraid your whole life trying to grab onto things you can't control anyway, trying to hold on to things that have wings that can fly away? Or are you going to do it like, yes, I'm having fun and you should, too. Everybody watching, whatever it is, it's not. You don't have to be a podcaster. That's just one aspect. I mean, there's like, so many ways you can impact people. There's been people that have impacted me that they're the reason that thousands of people are impacted or millions of people have been impacted. One person did something that impacted me in a way that caused me to do this. Other people have impacted me in a way to do this. I mean, you can be the impact of one person and change millions of people's lives. And that's the thing that I want people to get through. The Bible says we're a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people that live in that. Forget all this other crap that says you're a horrible, indecent human being and you're supposed to be poor and you're supposed to live like a trollop your whole life. Live like a king, live like Jesus. Go out and have people, thousands of people, wondering what the heck's going on. Go out and feed people, go out and help people. Go out and be a light. Then you can have fun. Kill you at the end of it, who cares? You're going to rise up. There's nothing they can do to stop you.

David Lee Corbo (122:02)

Amen, brother.

Matt (122:03)

Amen. Powerful John Pounders, let's go man. Let's go guys. You can catch him at now you see TV Pounders quest. Please go give him a follow. He's better than us.

David Lee Corbo (122:16)

Go get yourself.

Matt (122:20)

Thank you. Thank you for your time, man.

David Lee Corbo (122:22)

This is a thank you brother.

Matt (122:23)

Incredible episode. Blessed that you spend two hours with us. Any final words before we, we take you out?

John Pounders (122:31)

Just, just like I said man, like, live your purpose. Don't let anything stop you. Don't let the fear of man stop you. People make fun of you. Who cares? Let them make fun of you. Because the only reason they're making fun of you is because they don't have the guts to do it themselves. Forget all the naysayers, man. God, when he's got a plan for you, you may. There may be a lot of mishaps along the way, but you have to have those to in order to succeed. You know, you can. You could fail thousand times, but one time, all it takes is one time like you get up and you do it and you succeeded. All of those thousand times don't matter anymore. People forget about that. Forget about all of the stuff that the world tries to do to harbor you down. Like forget about that and just go straight for your purpose. Straight for the king of the world. He's the, the real king of the world. Everything else is physical that tries to harbor you. And I've said that like 20 times, but man, I can't get that through to people enough. Forget the boundaries that you think you have and just move forward and move forward in power. No fear. That's it.

Matt (123:39)

Bang. And also, don't forget to obey. Submit and comply. We'll see you later. They bred with daughters of men and

John Pounders (123:51)

they will do it again.

Matt (123:55)

The end is written in the book.

John Pounders (123:59)

In the pages. They for. Death, one death.

David Lee Corbo (124:25)

When the last trumpet sound in the heaven.