Nephilim Death Squad - "Prophecy, Pre-Adamites & End-Times: The Book of Daniel Part 4 w/ Matt Hepner"

Podcast by TopLobsta Productions | Release Date: October 14, 2025

Overview

In this rich, wide-ranging episode, TopLobsta and Raven welcome Bible teacher Matt Hepner for an exploration of biblical prophecy, the possible existence of pre-Adamites, current end-times patterns, and a deep dive into chapters 8 and 9 of the Book of Daniel. Interspersed with lively audience Q&A, the trio tackle topics like the nature of the church, biblical authority, scriptural interpretation, and personal spiritual journeys—all with humor, candor, and an accessible, conspiratorial edge.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Organic Church vs. Modern Christianity (06:09–11:53)

• Matt critiques contemporary "not-for-profit" (NFP, 501c3) church structures, contrasting them with the early Christian model—simple, grassroots, question-driven discipleship that doesn't revolve around fundraising or spectacle.
• "There's so, like, just type in the word worship to blue letter Bible ... none of it's tied to music. So I'm just saying, like, this whole system's corrupt, but we have a very simple system where people can meet in homes. They don't need a ton of money." –Matt (08:12)

2. Extra-Biblical Texts: Should Christians Read Them? (15:28–18:43)

• Discussion of interest and caution around non-canonical works (Jasher, Enoch, War Scroll).
• Matt’s approach: it's fine to enjoy these books "like Netflix," but core study should remain scripture: "That's cool for your free time, but not for your, like, Bible study time." (18:39)

3. Pre-Adamite Theory and the Genesis Gap (22:17–30:37)

• They delve into the controversial idea of pre-Adamite human or humanoid existence and the "gap theory" between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2.
• Matt suggests scripture leaves room for mysteries and “secret things” (Deut. 29:29): "There was definitely something happening. If Adam's 6,000 years ago, God was definitely doing something 6,001 years ago." (28:36)

4. Symbolism: The Rainbow, Pillars, and Language (30:37–35:05)

• Prompted by a listener, the discussion branches to symbols like the rainbow, “firmament theory,” and how Christians should behave toward coopted imagery and terminology.
• "The rainbow belongs to God, bro. ... Like, if I had a rainbow in the shop, I'd be like, yeah, let's go. That's the rainbow." –Matt (31:42)

5. Daniel: The Power of Consistent Spiritual Discipline (33:06–37:09)

• Using Daniel’s consistency in prayer and spiritual discipline as a template, Matt underscores the importance of daily spiritual practices to prepare for crises.
• "You need to be doing it now. Like, Daniel wasn't, like, in a position to ... put his life at stake in that moment. It was a lifestyle he had already been cultivating." (36:09)

6. Reading and Applying Prophecy (44:59–53:43)

• Detailed walkthrough of Daniel 8—symbolic visions mapped to the Medo-Persian and Greek empires, with historical references to Alexander the Great and Antiochus Epiphanes.
• Matt stresses using biblical patterns as interpretive lenses for current events: "You have to be able to take this and then use that as a lens to, like, observe the day that you live in." (48:22)
• Fractal nature of prophecy discussed via the “Fibonacci spiral” concept: “It just grows larger. It compounds on itself.” (53:39)

7. Establishing Effective Bible Studies (39:05–43:13)

• Advice for structuring organic, truly interactive Bible studies: Start alone in scripture, cultivate direct relationship with God, and keep group size manageable so learning isn’t diluted.

8. Daniel’s Prayer & Lessons on Humility and Repentance (77:02–84:38)

• Reading and reflection on Daniel 9, highlighting the prophet’s corporate repentance, mourning, and collective accountability.
• Matt: “Watch how many times this dude says we, because I know I'm totally guilty of praying in a way of saying they.” (82:28)

9. Spiritual Sadness, Mourning, and Empathy (84:07–88:43)

• The difference between mourning over personal woes and genuine grief for collective spiritual decline.
• “You come to terms with, like, yeah, a lot of these people ... are on the path to hell, man ... you’re mourning and you’re crying out to God.” (86:09)

10. Salvation, Obedience, and the Gravity of Covenant (98:11–104:08; 142:52–145:44)

• Sobering warning against spiritual complacency—Matt reads Matthew 7:21-27, cautioning that mere words or religious activity are insufficient without genuine relationship and obedience: "Please just be very serious about this ... Take this very serious and become close and intimate with him and do it through the scripture." (143:55)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Humility isn't saying, like, oh, I'm a loser. I'm an idiot. Humility is ... you're not talking about you ... You're the least important person in the room now." –Matt (86:38)

• "God lives inside me. Do you see what I'm saying? There's no, there's no ... religions that have such a thing." (73:06)

• “If you have some great revelation and understanding given to you by God, that's not to go beat a guy in a debate. That's so you'll set your face to pray according to God's will and live accordingly.” (80:01)

• “If you get so busy, you won't hear the subtle voice of God.” (104:03)

• “Nobody does [what we do]. That’s why you should be very grateful every day.” – Matt, reflecting on the privileges of podcasting, daily comfort, and spiritual opportunity (135:59)

Episode Timeline & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 06:09–11:53 | Organic church, critique of 501c3, early-church simplicity | | 15:28–18:43 | Non-canonical texts: Jasher, Enoch, bedtime reading analogy | | 22:17–30:37 | Pre-Adamite, gap theory, mysteries of Genesis | | 30:37–35:05 | Rainbow, language, co-opted biblical symbols | | 33:06–37:09 | Daniel’s dedication, spiritual readiness, real-world application| | 44:59–53:43 | Daniel’s vision of beasts, prophecy as pattern, historical parallels| | 39:05–43:13 | Tips for running organic Bible studies | | 77:02–84:38 | Daniel’s repentance, corporate vs. personal responsibility | | 84:07–88:43 | The challenge of mourning and spiritual empathy | | 98:11–104:08 | Covenant seriousness, warning against complacency | | 142:52–145:44 | Closing exhortation: obedience, real relationship with God |

Audience Q&A Highlights

• Should Christians "take back" the rainbow?
  "The rainbow belongs to God, bro. ... If people are gonna hijack the blessings of God for their own personal gain, that's on them." (30:57–31:49)

• Were there people before Adam and Eve?
  Matt is open: There's scriptural evidence of “something happening,” but warns against doctrinal dogmatism: "I'm not starting a new denomination that's based on pre Adamites." (30:37)

• Advice on Bible translations and study:
  Matt recommends referencing the Blue Letter Bible for comprehensive tools and advises prioritizing main scripture over extra-canonical works in serious study. (39:05–41:36, 64:27–65:02)

• Connection between knowledge/intellect and spiritual growth:
  “Revelation and insight comes through the spirit realm. It doesn’t come through the intellect… The church today is run on intellect. It’s very soulless.” (91:01–92:59)

Key Segments & Quotes (with Speaker Attribution)

• On the Structure of the Early Church:
  "You really don't need any money. They can meet in homes and have a Bible and study the word of God ... we've just made a money-making system."
  — Matt Hepner (08:53)

• On Non-Canonical Texts:
  "Jasher’s cool, but... it’s so wild. Like, Jasher is so wild.”
  — Matt Hepner (15:38)

• On the Mystery of Pre-Adamites:
  "Clearly people outside the Garden of Eden. ... To me, there was definitely something happening. If Adam’s 6,000 years ago, God was definitely doing something 6,001 years ago."
  — Matt Hepner (28:14, 28:36)

• On History & Prophecy Overlap:
  “Historically, this is exactly what happened with the Medes and Persians. Greece came and destroyed them. That one notable horn from Greece, historically, is Alexander the Great. This happened.”
  — Matt Hepner (46:38)

• On The Importance of Practicing Faith Daily:
  "If you’re not doing it now, if you’re not cultivating it right now, then, like, when the rubber meets the road, you’re not going to do it. You need to be doing it now."
  — Matt Hepner (36:09)

• On the Value of Obedience:
  “People are going to hear the sayings of Jesus. ... You’re either going to apply this to your life or you’re not going to apply it to your life. This is all it comes down to.”
  — Matt Hepner (143:55)

Tone and Flow

The episode balances insightful theological discussion with irreverent, personal humor. Serious themes—prophecy, repentance, spiritual responsibility—are delivered conversationally, with interruptions for jokes, asides, and pop culture references ("aliens are gay", "I've been sliding David Icke books into his library"). Audience questions drive the show and provide a direct pipeline for both deep dives and lighthearted banter.

Conclusion

This episode offers a vivid snapshot of the Nephilim Death Squad’s unique approach: blending scriptural depth, conspiratorial curiosity, authenticity, and comedic relief. Whether you're a Bible nerd, a prophecy junkie, or a skeptical truth-seeker, the episode encourages both humility and action: “Obedience is better than understanding. Just do it, bro. Like, nobody's doing anything by sitting around.” (106:52)