Slaying The Wizard w/ Owen Benjamin

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad: "Slaying The Wizard" w/ Owen Benjamin

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad by TopLobsta Productions
Episode Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta (David Lee Corbo AKA the Raven), Matt (co-host, referenced), and occasional comments from "Raven"
Guest: Owen Benjamin

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Episode Overview

This episode delves deep into the notion of “wizardry” in contemporary society—how perception is shaped (and weaponized) by media, institutions, and cultural gatekeepers, and what it means to “slay the wizard.” Owen Benjamin, comedian, independent thinker, and self-described "exiled" public figure, joins TopLobsta and Matt to critique societal narrative control. The discussion weaves through spirituality, the dangers of externalizing authority, the fine line between community and cult, conspiracies, Biblical worldviews, the psychology of manipulation, and personal accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "What Do You Do?"—Living Without External Titles

• [03:30] Owen Benjamin on Identity & Changing Careers:
  Describes his transition from Hollywood comedian to farmer, writer, pianist, and independent content creator, highlighting the unpredictability and freedom of not having a fixed role.

  "I don't really have a job title. I do all kinds of weird. You want to learn like that though?" — Owen Benjamin [03:30]

• [04:21] On Modern Livelihood:
  The trio jokes about the absurdity of explaining modern, self-made careers to outsiders, the chaos of freelancing, and navigating banned payment platforms.

2. The USPS, Value Exchange, and American Freedom

• [07:51] Owen Benjamin on the Post Office:
  He frames the post office as a bastion of unmediated exchange and American spirit, immune (to an extent) to institutional control.

  "The thing that makes America great is the post office, because all parcels, you can just send it to another human being without any oversight." — Owen Benjamin [08:05]

3. Wizardry, Perception, and Spiritual Spellcasting

• [09:47] What is a Wizard in Modern Society:
  Discussion veers to the concept of 'wizards'—individuals or institutions who manipulate perception through narrative, echo chambers, and induced fear.

  "If you can control the general perception of a thing, then you could effectively cast a spell and change reality, or at least the way that it's perceived." — TopLobsta [10:25]

• [11:11] The Devil’s Playbook:
  Owen’s forthcoming book, “How to Slay a Wizard," aims to expose manipulation playbooks, whether spiritual (the Devil) or institutional.

  "All they can do is get you to choose something that goes against your interests... The devil can't make you do it." — Owen Benjamin [11:11]

4. Fear Campaigns, Media, and Inversion

• [14:31] Manufactured Disasters and Distraction:
  They mock the recurring cycles of doomsday narratives (e.g., asteroids, 3I Atlas, drone/UFO panics), observing how media primes society for crisis, instigates fear, and solicits compliance (often for increased funding or political power).

  "It's always hidden because alchemy is just baking bread...Wizardry relies on the ignorance of the target and they won't let you know. And as soon as you know, then the wizardry doesn't work." — Owen Benjamin [29:45]

• [16:18] The State of EBT and Inverted Health:
  The hosts reflect on the paradox of welfare/EBT users being unhealthier, not hungrier, and how the system's incentives are upside-down.

5. The Science Wizard: Satire of Modern Expertise

• [25:55] Satirizing Scientific Authority:
  Through stories of early astronomers and modern experts, they mock the circular reasoning and unchallengeable claims (“the bone”, time-lapse photos as proof of doom), exposing “science wizardry.”

  "How do you know how old this fossil is?...That's circular reasoning. They're like, oh, how dare you. You're a failed comedian." — Owen Benjamin [25:55]

• [27:43] Mountain Giants & Pop Science:
  They riff on conspiracy lore—are mountains dead giants?—and mock the sanctity of pop-science authority.

6. Spellcasting, Hypnosis, and Vulnerability

• [32:03] Susceptibility to Fear and Control:
  The group connects hypnosis and spellcasting, emphasizing that fear, exhaustion, and desire make people malleable to external influence.

  "If they're doing the wizardry right...it's like fear. It's a fear based wizardry. They want you to perceive fear. It gets you in this state where you're easily manipulated... it's a little Hegelian dialectic..." — TopLobsta [31:34]

• [34:44] Accountability & The Scapegoat:
  Owen relates how hypnotists, intoxicants, or emotionally charged narratives allow people to indulge desires without guilt by providing a “permission slip.”

  "They've given a reason to do it...like this guy's allowing them to do it based on this narrative." — Owen Benjamin [33:08]

7. Spirit vs. Flesh: The Biblical Frame

• [35:25] Galatians and Inner Struggle:
  Biblical references frame the conflict between higher spiritual aspirations and the base desires of the flesh, relating directly to self-control, gluttony, and "dad bod" rationalizations.

  "A spell is dad bod, where you're like, oh, it's fine. I can be a fat. I can have a dad bod. Because, like, you can be. You can have gluttony." — Owen Benjamin [37:04]

8. Access, Community, and The Cult Accusation

• [57:13] Community vs. Wizards/Cult Leaders:
  They discuss accusations against Owen as a cult leader, comparing authentic community-building with top-down, manipulative followings.

  "If Owen is now breaking down, he's breaking your existence, your power structure too. And he's building something different here. You have to then accuse him of what you're actually a part of." — Matt [57:32] “What I’m doing is the opposite of a cult. People get mad that I’m not a cult leader...I’m like: 'I don’t know, I’m trying to figure that out.'” — Owen Benjamin [95:40]

• [82:08] Community, Scaling, & Authenticity:
  Owen describes how genuine communities reach their natural scale, advocating for quality over quantity, and resisting wizard-style audience manipulation.

9. Externalization of Authority & Personal Responsibility

• [44:23] Who Do You Blame?
  The wizard's power relies on people externalizing responsibility. Juror selection as a metaphor: do you blame germs/kids for getting sick, or recognize your own behavior?

  “If you want someone to pay $100 million for getting burned by coffee, it's like you want the guy that blames the kid on the bus for the cold.” — Owen Benjamin [44:23]

• [124:44] Blaming Others vs. Self-Reflection:
  The trio insists that personal problems usually stem from oneself, not from external groups (Jews, women, government, etc.), calling out “race warriors” and those seeking scapegoats.

10. Revelation of the Wizard and the Dangers Therein

• [112:00] What Happens When the Wizard Is Seen?
  As society wakes up to manipulations, Owen warns that those most deeply invested in the wizard system become paranoid or dangerous—especially when “cornered.”

  "The wizard is only capable of people that have chosen to be under their spell. So the more you are yourself, the more you're not surrounded by that... their biggest threat is around them." — Owen Benjamin [112:52]

  "If you're trying to fight the war, the best way is just encourage people to not want that war." — Owen Benjamin [117:34]

11. Music, Ritual, Community, and Spiritual Filling

• [128:22] The Power of Music and Vibrations:
  Owen closes by discussing his music courses, expressing awe at communal music-making and its spiritual resonance, pointing to the vibrational roots of collective harmony.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

On ‘Wizardry’ and Narrative Control:

"Broadcasting. Okay, what are you casting? Like, you know, spells. It's called spelling. You know what I mean? It's like cursive." — Owen Benjamin [51:23]

On Institutional Indoctrination:

"...Look at what you get when you graduate. You put a square on your fucking head and you wear a robe and it's nonsense." — Owen Benjamin [51:57]

On the Annoying Resilience of Disaster Narratives:

"...Six months ago there was a fucking asteroid gonna take out the world. Then people just, Yep. They forget. It's like they forget and then they go on to the next thing because they just want that." — Owen Benjamin [54:58]

On the Accusations of Cultism:

"I'm a 6 foot 8, blue eyed, uncircumcised dude on the ADL hit list. Like, if I'm a Jew, then they don't exist." — Owen Benjamin [59:15]

On War, Power, and Geopolitical Narratives:

"Well, what is Israel? Is it a place? Is it a people? Or is it like a narrative engine that allows America to bomb anybody that wants to compete with the dollar?" — Owen Benjamin [122:18]

On the Fundamental Solution:

"Our will is the whole engine in the realm. It's like, where, like, what we focus on, what we want, what we do, what we say, who we are. And so in the end of the day, the wizard is always just trying to get us to accept something that is not true. And... the most protection you have is to not do that." — Owen Benjamin [116:00]

On Fun and Joy Amidst the Chaos:

"Are you having fun? Yes. Yes. Yeah, like, that’s, yeah, like I’m having a blast. To the point where, like, when I stop to think about it, I can't believe I get to do this for a life." — Owen Benjamin [126:44]

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Key Timestamps & Segments

• [03:30] – Owen’s journey from Hollywood to self-sustaining farm life & podcasting
• [07:51] – The US Post Office & American liberty
• [09:47] – What is a wizard? The mechanics of narrative spellcasting
• [16:18] – SNAP/EBT, diet, inversion of state support
• [25:55] – Satirical analysis of science & “the bones”
• [31:34] – Fear, spellcasting, hypnotic states
• [35:25] – Galatians, the spirit vs. flesh
• [57:13] – The accusation of ‘cult leader’ and authenticity of community
• [82:08] – Community scaling, authenticity, and natural limits
• [112:00] – Revealing the wizard, collective perception, & self-defense
• [126:44] – “Are you having fun?” – The essential check-in

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Tone & Language

• Conversational, irreverent, skeptical, and often comedic.
• Emphasis on playful banter, direct challenges, and sometimes crude/edgy humor.
• Frequent use of satire and colloquial analogies.

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Conclusion

This densely packed episode offers a lively, sometimes wild, but ultimately thoughtful critique of modern power structures—be they media wizards, political cults, or scientific “experts.” Grounded in Biblical wisdom and independence, the hosts and Owen Benjamin challenge listeners to do the hard work of personal discernment: stay vigilant against fear campaigns, take responsibility for your own life, resist the urge to externalize blame, and shape your reality through honest community, self-work, and faith rather than seeking external validation or scapegoats. The takeaway: Slaying the wizard is mostly an inside job—and you can have a lot of fun along the way.

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For the highlights at a glance, click through at these key moments:

• [09:47] Modern wizards, spellcasting, & narrative control
• [25:55] Satirizing scientific expertise & the limits of perception
• [44:23] Externalizing blame vs. personal accountability
• [57:13+82:08] Cults, authentic communities, and why real influence is not about numbers
• [112:00] The dangers (and limits) of the wizard, and the ultimate solution
• [126:44] The fun question—why joy is essential to resisting manipulation.

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Transcript

[Top Lobster]

What do you think makes the perfect snack? Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Owen Benjamin]

Could you be more specific? When it's cravinient.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the.

[Owen Benjamin]

Street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. p.m.

[Top Lobster]

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Top Lobster]

Crave, which is anything from AM pm.

[Owen Benjamin]

What more could you want? Stop by AM PM where the snacks.

[BOSS Brand Announcer]

And drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience AM PM too much. Good stuff.

[Owen Benjamin]

Hey, Mrs. C. Sarah. Look, I'm standing out front of AM PM right now and well, you're sweet and all, but I found something more fulfilling, even kind of cheesy. But I like it. Sure, you met some of my dietary needs, but they've just got it all. So farewell oatmeal. So long, you strange soggy. Break up with bland breakfast and taste AM PM's bacon, egg and cheese biscuit made with K tree eggs, smoked bacon and melty cheese on a buttery biscuit. AM PM Too much. Good stuff.

[Top Lobster]

What do you think makes the perfect snack? Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient. Could you be more specific? When it's cravenient? Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the.

[Owen Benjamin]

Street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at AM pm.

[Top Lobster]

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well yeah, we're talking about what I.

[Top Lobster]

Crave, which is anything from AM pm.

[Owen Benjamin]

What more could you want? Stop by AM PM where the snacks.

[BOSS Brand Announcer]

And drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience AM PM Too much. Good stuff.

[Matt]

The Top Lobster Productions.

[Owen Benjamin]

Foreign.

[Top Lobster]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we're gonna go live exclusively to patreon.com/nephilim death Squad. If you want to support the show and everything that we do here at Top Lobster Productions, NDS Studios, we got a lot of stuff going on, right? That's Nephew, America, Nephilim Death Squad, NDS Chronicles, Straight B and now the Raven. We got a lot of work guys. If you want to support, that's the place to do it early access to episodes ad free viewing experiences, early dibs on tickets from Brohemian Grover to Bohemian Grove rather as well as a little discount code off of merchandise from top lobster dot com. That's a place where you can find all of our designs, all of our merch. So great ways to support the show and also look psychotic while you do so. Really got an affinity for the mother horse eyes.

[Matt]

We have to do our breakdown of that.

[Top Lobster]

We do. It's just so labor intensive and I just feel like we're just doing so much.

[Matt]

I kind of wonder what our guests would think about that.

[Top Lobster]

I would love to know his thoughts on a 10 hour Schizophrenic acid trip that a guy has where he goes to different dimensions. Speaking of our guests today, we are joined once again by Owen Benjamin. Before we get into the conversation, Owen, number one, thank you for being here. Number two, let's talk about where everybody can find you support your work and what it is that you do.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, well, thanks for having me, man. What I do, you know, I did stand up for 20 years, all kinds of stuff in Hollywood and, and then, you know, when, when everything started going down, I wasn't allowed to do stand up in clubs or theaters. You guys got to see that firsthand with bro Ho. And so I, I got more into podcasting, got into farming during COVID and now I'm writing a book called how to slay a Wizard that I'm doing at Ladle tv Unauthorized TV and my website. I also teach piano. Yeah, it's weird. I don't really have a job title. I do all kinds of weird. You want to learn like that though?

[Top Lobster]

You go like. He goes, yeah, I, I used to be, you know, big into comedy in Hollywood and everything. And then when that went south, I became a farmer. I'm just like, damn, dude, what a segue. What a beautiful move.

[Matt]

I find myself in that same predicament lately where like, I'll, my, my wife's friends will, well, she'll introduce me, my wife. And they go, well, what do you do? Cuz we know what your wife does. And I go, I don't know what the. I do, I do a lot of different things.

[Owen Benjamin]

And we know what it is. When somebody says, like, I literally sound like a mobster. I'm like, I take care of things, I take care of business. You know, I just, whatever has to be done, I do. It's like, it's kind of like, yeah, they're in waste mat. Waste disposable. You know, they're like, waste management. That's me. Like, literally right now, I'm making. My kids are making hats that we sell. We make cheese. I have a podcast. I do every day. I'm developing land. I. I run a festival. Like, it's like, I. I write books and I teach classical piano to children. You know, it's like. And as soon as, like, the bands lifted, I'll do more standup comedy because that was, like, my main gift in life, you know? It's like, yeah, what's my job? What's my 401? Like, what's my loan application look like? That's why I don't. I don't do long because I don't even know what to say. How much money do you make? Tons or zero, depending if people.

[Matt]

Tax season is a damn nightmare. Right? Yeah. It was like, well, where did this money come from? Then I was like, I talk into a microphone. He goes, how about that money? And I go, I sell T shirts. And they're like, what about this?

[Top Lobster]

This comes from racist tweets. I don't know. I don't really know how to quantify this.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, you get paid this from this guy? It's like, well, I guess I connected a lot of dots that helped him relieve trauma.

[Matt]

Actually, just before, as you were talking to Matt, David walks in with, like, a check or something. He's like, we just got a donation from somebody. Like, for what? He's like, we don't know. It's like, I don't even know how we going to claim this.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, dude, I don't even want to.

[Owen Benjamin]

Think it's just income. You're. It's all good. Like, they don't care as long as you pay them your cut.

[Top Lobster]

You know, the.

[Owen Benjamin]

I guess it's just income. You know, they're like, okay, yeah, we.

[Top Lobster]

Don'T care where it comes. Just give us some of it.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's like some old guy at a coffee shop with demons gave you money. Whatever, I guess. So we're going to need half of that.

[Owen Benjamin]

People have that feeling of value. Like, it used to blow my mind because I was raised in a culture where, like, you don't accept money from people. And I'd be like, no, don't give me any money. And then people would be like, dude, if we don't, you can't do this for a living. You're not even allowed on PayPal. I'm like, okay. And then I just realized that some people, like, it's. It's value. And I. I like to pay for value. It keeps the scales balanced. And I'm like, sure. And the government's like, give me part of it.

[Matt]

And I'm like, okay, just keep it cool, man. Let me tell you, working with Owen was probably one of the most stressful things. Like, besides the cancellation, that was fine. But then it's like, at the end, I'm like, how do I pay this guy? He's banned off every. Like, do you accept dollars? Are you allowed to have dollars? He's like, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. It becomes very complicated.

[Owen Benjamin]

Venmo. I'm like, I can't do vent. They're not a lot I'm not allowed to do Venmo. Do you do cash app?

[Matt]

I'm like, bars of gold.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, no, totally. That's why I'm like, I got into gold and silver because it's like, everything in the post office. Post office is true free speech, you know, that's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

You've been talking a lot about that, and I. I can't say that I understand it. There's so many things I don't understand. But I've seen you really, like, you know, kind of give big ups to the post office. What do you. What do you mean by that? I don't understand. Why is the post office crush so hard?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's all. I mean, I got to talk about this a lot more. If you don't understand about the post office because it's like, the fundamental of American freedom.

[Top Lobster]

Geez. Really?

[Owen Benjamin]

My dad.

[Matt]

My dad worked for them for, like, 70 years.

[Owen Benjamin]

Benjamin Franklin started. It's like, the thing that makes America great is the post office, because all parcels, you can just send it to another human being without any oversight. Nobody looks in it. Nobody messes with it. It's cheap. It's. You know, those stamps are actually like a bank. They. You can just. Owning stamps is a curb against inflation.

[VRBO Announcer]

Really?

[Matt]

I thought that was, like, an indicator of autism.

[Top Lobster]

I thought it was too. Yeah. Especially when they're collecting them and they have trains on them.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, but other than, you know. But yeah. No, the post office general and the sheriff are the two most important positions in America.

[Top Lobster]

I had no idea. I didn't know that the post office was. Was so significant. I can't even bring myself to, like, mail anything.

[Matt]

I think the good thing about the post office is that they don't care that much. Like, they don't. They're like, oh, this guy's banned from, you know, Australia. This guy can't have these. We don't care Just send the mail. Yeah, yeah, Snow.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it's like, look at all this stuff behind me. Like, this is all stuff people, like, just make and send to me because. Because they had to. I mean, it wasn't by choice. I was banned from, like, everything. And people are like, I'll just send you a letter. I'll just send you. Look, I made this hat. Oh, I made this thing. Like, you know, someone just, like, made this cup. They're just like. And then it just started. I started realizing that people, they could express themselves with their art or, like, things that mean something to them. And then I saw how gold and silver was retaining value, and I'm just like, oh, man, there's such a scam going on. It's like these layers of lies on top of lies with the. With the cyber world outside of it, it's still functioning perfectly. America's still functioning exactly the way it's supposed to function.

[Matt]

Is that. Would you say that that's the goal of the. Or the job of the wizard in today's society to kind of, like, cast and. And spin these webs and spells for us to kind of. Because I. I've fallen into this echo chamber where you look at Twitter or you look at some online stuff, and you think that that's reality. But I think what we've been doing now, which is. It was a good move, is now we're in the community a lot more. Yeah, I like doing the show in the coffee shop rather than at my house, because we get to walk through and you see real people from different walks of life, and you're like, oh, it's actually not like everything's okay.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's. That's an inch. Well, not everything's completely okay, but that's an interesting concept when it comes to, like, I. You know, I don't know if that's going to be what we're going to get into, this idea of wizards and spell casting, and I've said it on the show before, it's like, if you don't believe spell casting in a spiritual angle, at least what you could do is look at it as casting perception. If. If you believe that sentiment of, like, perception is reality. Well, if you can control the general perception of a thing, then you could effectively cast a spell and change reality, or at least the way that it's perceived. And if those two things are so close, perception is reality, then maybe you could change reality on some level. Not at its fundamental root, but at least the way that people engage with it is. Is that what you mean, Owen? When you're talking about wizards and wizards.

[Owen Benjamin]

The issue the wizards have with, with a living man or living woman is the same. It's kind of like we've been given the post office and sheriffs. You know, it's like free will is the thing. They can't change reality. All they, like when they say perception is reality, you know, like Edward Bernays and all those guys, all they can do is get you to choose something that goes against your interests. And there's a whole art to it. They can't actually do anything to you. And that gets into the, the relationship between, you know, the devil and God where it's like the devil can't make you do it. So that's why I'm like writing this book called how to Slay a Wizard, the Devil's Playbook, because it's like the same tricks over and over again. And it's typically giving someone the ability of doing something sinful or something they wanted to do anyway, but the wizard will give them a narrative to make them feel good about it.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that.

[Matt]

This is, it's interesting because so our, our boy Matt, he does a, he does a show on, on the channel. It's called Straight Bible. He just picks up a book of the Bible and I'll, and I'll talk to you about it. But yesterday he did the book of Jude. And the first four verses are exactly what you're talking about, but it's within the church. So throughout antiquity, they try to destroy the church by killing the people. And that doesn't seem to work.

[Owen Benjamin]

Doesn't work at all.

[Matt]

Yeah, the best way to do it is infiltration. And in the Bible, this is also something that they don't really preach on in like a conventional church. But in that Book of Jude, the first four verses, they're talking about like, yo, these guys say that they're your brothers, but they're kind of doing slippery stuff. And what they're really doing instead of feeding their spirit or their soul is they're feeding their, their bellies. They're feeding their flesh.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, in Margaritaville, totally. Exactly. No, that's a hundred percent it, man. And like killing someone, I call blowing the dandelion. You know where it's like when you're doing farming and you're trying to get rid of weeds, the thing you don't want to do is just like grab it and rip it out because then all the seeds go everywhere. So you, you can't, you have to change the environment where they're in. Or you have to do it at the right time or whatever. But with human beings, it's the same thing. Like force doesn't work at all. You have reward, ideology, coercion, and ego. Like, those are ways to manipulate people. And coercion is by far the worst because it immediately creates a backlash that usually is exponential. And that's why in the past, the wizards, you know, have learned this. Like, that's when the villagers chop all their heads off. Because it's like, it doesn't work. So the thing is to get the person to choose it. And there's so many strategies, you know, like the last chapter I did at Ladle TV and it's $9.11 a month, so you never forget. It was about. It was. What was the name of it? It's like Folgers and aids. And it was Struthers and Folgers and aids. Oh, my. And I go through. Because the thing about lies is, over time, they look insanely stupid. Like. And you guys have seen this with stuff even six months ago, you know, it's like. Like something will happen and everyone that. The spells going on. And then like later you're like, wait a minute, what the hell was that? What was Oliver Anthony? You know, what was a cry for freedom or whatever, you know, you, like, see all this stuff go back to Oliver.

[Matt]

Oliver Anthony kind of sang that into fruition with the EBT cards, right?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Matt]

He's talking about the. The Yodels or whatever.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

Now Saturday, I think that's over. So very excited.

[Top Lobster]

Looking forward to, I don't know, them burning down my local Walmart or some.

[Owen Benjamin]

What happened? Like, they took away their Walmart cards.

[Matt]

They took away the EBT or the SNAP or whatever.

[Top Lobster]

That's the big thing that's going on right now is like this idea that they're going to take away SNAP benefits or. Or, I don't know, you know, food.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's interesting if they're doing that, because that means that they don't want them to, like, die anymore. That's interesting because that's.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it seems like it's everything this guy was.

[Owen Benjamin]

So, like, the food they're giving them is to get them obese and dead, you know, so like Yodels. Yeah. So that means they're. They're taking the. Their foot off the eugenics stuff. That's.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I was talking to this guy in the shop this morning who used to make a. He makes it like a spying, you know, sort of software that The NSA used, it was like an old dude that's retired here in the, in the village.

[Matt]

This is a weird spot.

[Top Lobster]

It's a really weird spot.

[Matt]

Just about anybody.

[Top Lobster]

And he, he was saying that he's got some guys on the inside that are claiming that the purpose of this is to basically turn up the, the pot, boil the water a little bit more aggressively so that there are more riots and protests, you know, civil unrest and things of that nature. So who knows. I try not to like I look at it and I'll comment on it, it's kind of fun. But I recognize that the trap of it is to get you in this like low vibrational state where you're worried or you're fearful about a thing that's coming. So people are coming in the shop and they're going. Did you know that Walmart is going to be shut down on November 1st because the blacks are going to steal from Walmart because they don't care anymore.

[Matt]

I've been stealing from Walmart this whole time.

[Top Lobster]

This guy's been doing it, you know, every day. So, so, you know, it's an interesting thing. I don't know what they're going to, what they're gonna end up doing, but yeah, that's supposed to happen.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, you know, that's why it's interesting because you know, the average EBT user I bet is a hundred pounds heavier, you know, than, than just someone that can't get enough quote unquote food because the food you're getting is actually killing you. So it's like, you know, it's, it's actually inverted. Like for example, one of the wizard moves with AIDS was during AIDS. They also had a diet pill called AIDS and I've named it Polarity Seating.

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[Owen Benjamin]

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[Owen Benjamin]

Excludes Massachusetts, where you see polarities because sometimes, like, I can't breathe. Masks during COVID where like, George Floyd, the thing was, I can't breathe. And then everyone has to mask that. I think that's totally intentional because during AIDS, you have in the 80s and you have a guy named Greg Lou Gayness, like gay anus that was like the main eights guy who hit his head on a board and bled in the pool in the Olympics. And he's this flaming gay guy. People just forget about this. And then Magic Johnson, which means wizard penis, you know, Magic Johnson.

[Matt]

It's like, yeah, yeah, I never thought about that.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, it's like, okay. And none of them. And they're all still alive, you know, and it's the same guy. It's vouching everything. So while that's happening, you have these commercials where they're like, where it's like, I just can't lose the weight. And this doctor's like, have you tried the AIDS diet? And this is dead serious. It's happening at the same time. It's like, AIDS diet. It's like, AIDS is a non stimulant, and you'll lose all that weight. And it's happening, like, the same exact time. And I think what happens is it's trying to get people into the state of nonsense where you're not trusting your senses. It's kind of like boot camp or hypnotism. And then once you're in that state where you don't trust your spirit, you know, they call it the Holy Spirit, where it's like just that inner knowledge of, like, what is good and bad and right and wrong. That's when you can become a slave. It's kind of like a lobotomy. And so these are the ways that people get that way. And that's why, like, knowing who you are and not bending. And you guys have seen me do that over the years. And it's like, crazy, that backlash. But it's like, you know, the other option for me is way worse where you're like, you know, yeah, Joe Rogan's super tall. Like, I. You just can't do that because then you lose everything. In my opinion, they're doing another one.

[Top Lobster]

Of these fear campaign things. Speaking of Rogan, and he just had this guy on Avi Loeb, and he's like a Harvard scientist, but he's Kind of this doom and gloom character today.

[Matt]

Like the thing.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, margarine, too. Remember? It's the same thing. It's like, do you want to eat butter without any guilt? Margarine? And then all these guys were dying of heart attacks at 45, and no one wants to talk about it. Anyway, yes, Harvard is like, you know.

[Top Lobster]

Eugenics ground zero propaganda machine, you know? It is, yeah. Ground zeros for it. But. But he. He's got this guy on Abby Loeb, and Abby is this, you know, this Harvard, you know, educated Jew, and he's. And he's like a astrophysicist.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's like literally a title of wizard.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's like a guy that makes astrophysics.

[Owen Benjamin]

What does that mean? It's physics that you can't show that isn't real. It's in your mind.

[Top Lobster]

And you're like, it's kind of the same thing with quantum physics. Quantum physics saying, dude, and I don't think you know what this means. So. So Abby is saying, like, Three Eye Atlas is this big doom and gloom thing. Him, Annapolina Luna. She's. She's a congresswoman. And. And they're saying, hey, there's this giant celestial object headed our way.

[Owen Benjamin]

Wait, her name's for real?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, Luna.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's great.

[Matt]

It's actually a fake name. Her name is something else. Yeah, she's a. She's a Jewish lady, damn it. Yeah, yeah, she renamed herself to moon. Fit in with the. Go Moon.

[Top Lobster]

Moon, guys. Divine. Feminine.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So. So, you know, they're predicting, and now there's. We. We picked up on it a few months ago. Been watching it because it's this endless source of comedy.

[Matt]

Like, it's. It's.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they're saying, like, the New York Post is posting articles like, this thing. We've just detected it. It's trillions of miles away. It is hostile, and it's gonna be here in November.

[Matt]

You haven't seen this thing, Three Eye.

[Top Lobster]

Atlas, dude, it's a lot of fun. Like I said, endless source of comedy. Because you go, how on Earth could you speculate and then put in this major news publication that this thing is hostile and it's coming for Earth? And they did this months ago, and now it's here and it's behind the sun right now, which is like this big nefarious thing that it was supposed to have done? I don't really understand it. Every time I look at it, they're just telling us, like, this thing's gonna murder us. And I'm going, where do you get.

[Matt]

Off that thing there?

[Owen Benjamin]

Really?

[Matt]

They showed us. They.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

This was months ago. And they were like, do you see that? You can tell by the bones.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like gay sparkles on someone's wing. Like, they do that all the time. Like, the pictures will actually be something funny.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this is like a. Even if it is real, it's a definitively a time lapse photo. So it doesn't appear as an elongated series of lights. It's one light changing colors. And that's a time lapse photo. But they put that out there and they go, look at this damn thing, dude. It is coming to kill you. NASA's like, all worried about it.

[Matt]

Then he goes at some point, like they were like, all right, maybe it's not so mad, but it's definitely going to drop off drones.

[Top Lobster]

They said that to this congresswoman in this Harvard educated Jew. They come out and they're like, we need to get Congress to pay attention to this thing because let me tell you what it's going to do on the 30th, which is today. Looking forward to it. It's going to release drones and they're going to appear to us as UFOs.

[Matt]

So today, apparently, it's going behind the sun. Oh, it's great. This is so much fun. We've been just watching.

[Owen Benjamin]

Great, man. They're like, dude, it turns out all they want is more taxes from us.

[Top Lobster]

Like, you guys are doing a bad job with the pollution. The go green thing is a good move. I think you need to close the hole in the ozone. It's like this big fear campaign. But now he's on Rogan. And Rogan's like, oh, yeah, man, okay. And like, he's telling them, like, telling him, like, you know, oh, this thing is coming. And it's. It's the source of, like, this mysterious signal that was admitted towards us in the night in 1977. It's been communicating for all of these years. On and on and on.

[Owen Benjamin]

They say 77, or was it like 73?

[Top Lobster]

So in 77, there was this thing called the wow. Signal. And it was like this. Wow.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think everything has to do with the financial system. So I was just wondering if it's when we got in the petrodollar, like, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, we talked to a dude named Jordan Crowder. This 3I Atlas. The I stands for interstellar, and 3 is just the third interstellar object that's passed through our galaxy. And all that means is, like, since we developed the technology to detect These things. It's the best.

[Owen Benjamin]

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[Top Lobster]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty.

[Owen Benjamin]

Liberty. Liberty.

[Top Lobster]

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[Owen Benjamin]

So back Victorian time. So the guy who actually coined the phrase photography, his father, you know, he was the president of the, you know, the. The Royal Astronomy Foundation. Like, this huge astronomer. Like, they have a telescope named after him. I forgot his name. But he said that with his new telescope, brand new, like, this new technology, he could see that there were. That there was life on the moon and they had temples and they had. They were Batman. And that there was only nice. Yeah, there was over a trillion inhabitants. And it was in all the newspapers. And then it was like, this guy was like one of the heads of science, you know, it was like in like the Edinburgh thing. And now no one wants to just. No one will talk about it. He's like, no, I have this technology that can see the moon. And everyone's like, holy, what do you see there? And he's like, woolly mammoths. Like, they're just liars, you know, But.

[Top Lobster]

I love it, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Yeah. And so these people are like, you know, DARPA gives us this technology where no one else can see it, but right behind the moon, there's three atlas. And it means that you're going to have like a drone army try and clip the tip of your dick again. You know, it's like, it's total nonsense.

[Top Lobster]

Well, there are people that get whisked up in the fear of it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Think about what they say is in the center of the earth. They're like, oh, it's a liquid core of nickel spinning counterclockwise. I'm like, dude, the deepest anyone's ever been is. Is eight miles, like, total. And nothing they predicted was happening. Imagine if, like, I live in Idaho, you guys are in Florida. It's roughly, you know, a few thousand miles. If I'm like, okay, I've never left an eight mile zone. But I'll tell you exactly what's thousands of miles away and no one's ever seen it or been there. But I know because I have this, this box. And this box, you don't understand it, but there's squiggles on it. And every now and then it beeps. And so when it beeps, I only, I know how to understand what that means. And so that means in Oklahoma you have a cyclops. You know, it's like retarded. Same with like, they're like, how, how do you know how old this fossil is? They're like, because of the sedimentary layer it's in. You're like, how do you know how old that is? They're like, it's because of the fossils that are in it. And you're like, that circular reasoning. They're like, oh, how dare you. You're a failed comedian. And you're like, oh, wizards. Like, you guys straight up went to.

[Matt]

Hogwarts, man, that, that clip that I was referencing, is that probably the greatest clip I've seen online a long time. But the guy stand in front of a TV and he's like, we know that this guy, like, he really took care of his young. He's pointing at a dinosaur and he's like, well, how do you know? He's like, because of the bone, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

I love that clip. I showed that on my stream. That's genius. It's like the bone. Yeah. And the guy keeps being like, but how do you, how do you know that? He's like, well. And they always do the thing where they're like, oh, I'm glad you asked, that's a great question. They like do that stance, like science guy stance. And they're like, well, it's the bones.

[Top Lobster]

Tell by the bones, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like, I think the whole mountain's like a dead giant. And they're like, how dare you? I'm like, it's calcium carbonate. It's the same. You keep telling me the bones like, that is bone, right? And they're like, okay.

[Top Lobster]

That's why I stopped eating pink Himalayan salts. Because I was like, these things might be the petrified innards of giants. And I don't want to. I don't not sure if I should eat this anymore.

[Owen Benjamin]

I legit think a ton is that. I think that. You ever see Guardians of the Galaxy?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, dude, they're all inside the giant head.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. That was such a truth drop. They called it nowhere, which means utopia, you know. And they're like, oh yeah, It's. They're mining a dead, ancient celestial being. And they're like, it's chaos here, which is like, free will, and everybody only gambles all the time. And I'm like, oh, okay, that's what that is.

[Top Lobster]

I was actually talking about this on the stream last night, where it's like, somebody called in and they go, you know, the Three Eye Atlas stuff is fun, which it is. I look at it strictly as fun, but they go, how seriously should we even be taking it? You know, just in the sense of we don't know what outer space is. And they're telling us, like, you know, this thing is coming from however many light years. The guy's like, it's coming from three light days away. I'm like, we got light days? Do we have light weeks and light months, too.

[Matt]

I will admit this, though. When we had we. We interviewed that guy, Jordan Crowder.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I knew he was going to come with that. Like, he's like, well, because it's coming from outer space and interstellar, I was like, I'm going to suspend all of.

[Top Lobster]

My beliefs and just listen to you.

[Matt]

And just have fun with it all the time.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because metaphorically, there's usually something there.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, there is some. I was like, this was fun. And then after the episode was over, I was like, end street.

[Top Lobster]

What he said was like, so the first interstellar object that passed through 2017, right after that, we start to get like, the Pentagon saying, yo, dog, we. We recovered off world craft. And so he thinks, like, there's a correlation there. The second one that passes through, which is Umuamua, whatever that one creates, you know, creates the lockdowns. And he's like, so this one is coming through and we're all gonna spiritually ascend? Maybe, is what he said.

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't know.

[Matt]

What I. What I think it is is, like, I don't know if it's actually a thing that's interstellar, but every time there is something that the ancients would see in the sky, there's like, it indicates a change, Right?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, No, I believe that. Like, dude, I'm. I'm. I'm like, sky charting. I'm not like an astro. Astrology guy, but, like, how Topher is, that's, like, pretty legit. Like, you know, and the Bible says, you know, there's signs. You know, you look for the signs, like, they do, you know, map that eras and ages in the sky. Like, that's some real. It's just when they say they. It's like it's a hundred billion billion miles away and it means drones. You're like, what the. Yeah. They're like, amazing. That's what wizardry is. It's like they know something that they won't show you. It's always hidden because alchemy is just baking bread. It's like changing one thing to another, like that's fine. It's like wizardry relies on the ignorance of the target and they won't let you know. And as soon as you know, then the wizardry doesn't work. It's all based on hidden, you know, and that's why I think they're gay.

[Top Lobster]

There's a big correlation between your ability to fall for the wizardry. And you brought it up before this idea of like being hypnotized. Like some people can't be hypnotized. I don't think I could be hypnotized. I remember when I was at like, like an 8th grade dinner dance or something. Even when I was a kid, they had a hypnotist there and he hypnotized all my friends. I had friends barking. I had friends in like catatonic states as this, as this adult man just manipulates the psychology of, of 13 year olds and. But it didn't happen to me. Nothing happened to me. And I felt left out. But I also felt like you guys are faking. Like I was looking around the room and I'm like, this isn't real. Like how come you guys are doing the, the dog thing and the chicken thing? But I don't feel anything. And I think there's something about your ability to fall for. Because let's be honest, if they're doing the wizardry right. Oh, and mostly it's, it's like fear. It's a fear based wizardry. They want you to perceive fear. It gets you in this state where you're easily manipulated. I think you're looking for solutions. They offer the solution. It's a little Hegelian dialectic kind of a dance going on. And so if you're susceptible to being able to be put into a state of hypnosis, you're probably also susceptible to falling for the big fear campaigns that they push.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, 100%. And a lot of it is that you want it. So the fear thing will, will put you in a state of malleability. It's like heating metal so you can bend it. I'll give you a perfect example of what hypnotism is. So there's this one guy that was blowing everyone's minds in all these podcasts where he'd get you to hold your fingers like this and he'd be like, hold your fingers. Hold your fingers like that and be like, okay, hold your fingers. And I'd be like, they're getting closer together, they're getting closer together and people's fingers just start going like that. And. And they're like, holy. The whole thing is that it's tiring to do this. Like, hypnotism also relies on exhaustion. So this isn't a natural way of being. So you just want to do that. And so when someone offers you a narrative to allow you to do the thing you want to do, you do it. Like that's most hypnotism is like, you know, imagine somebody is socially awkward and they think that there's like a way that a lot of this is like quote unquote subconscious, but it's still kind of conscious where it's like, bark like a dog. And it's their one time when they can just do something social like in front of people and, and that.

[Top Lobster]

But.

[Owen Benjamin]

But they've been given a reason to do it. Like this guy's allowing them to do it based on this narrative. Same with COVID where it's like a lot of people had these hidden angers towards their neighbors or family. They didn't want to go to Thanksgiving, they didn't want to go to work. They wanted to hide their face in public. They didn't want people to see how she'll be their face God, or the shame in their. In their cheeks, you know, so they're like, oh, this is a narrative where I cannot go to my father's funeral. Because. Because it's like for those of us that didn't take the bait, like we could still do all the stuff. Like they were just playing in this make believe realm where it's like, oh, with this narrative we can believe this and go with it. It's kind of like the whole anti Semitism narrative. It's like with that narrative you can do horrendous things and control other people and. But it. But you're still the hero because if not, you'd be a victim. You know, like these are just hypnotic spells. And so that's why in the end of the day, to slay the wizard is all about inner strength. It's all about the. The kingdom of gods within type stuff where it's like you have to just want. Not that. Because the time in the past when I'd say I could be almost Like Enchanted was with women. And it. If I'm just honest with myself, it's because I wanted that. You know, I'd be like, oh man, this chick. And she like put a spell on me. I went back to her place and it's like, yeah, cuz I wanted to. You know what I mean? And like the more alcohol you drink, that's another excuse for you. Like you're drinking alcohol and you're like, oh, I was. I was so drunk. That's why I like, I tried to fight that guy I hate and I had sex with that girl I was attracted to. You know, it's like.

[Top Lobster]

But you're looking for a scapegoat. A reason exactly to give in to that thing. Dude, this is going to be a little bit of a weird story and I'll make it quick, but like that idea that you want to engage in this thing and so the hypnotist gives you the ability to engage in that thing and then also the discomfort of keeping your fingers separate because your fingers just want to relax on each other. When I was a kid, I used to do that to people. I was taught a trick.

[Matt]

I forgot who was talking. Matt, Matt, really quick.

[Top Lobster]

Are we going to do the mat cam?

[Matt]

Yeah, we'll go to the macam.

[Owen Benjamin]

What was that?

[Top Lobster]

Somebody just bought you guys these. Nobody bought us these. Stop it.

[Matt]

Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

What are they?

[Matt]

What was that scripture that you were talking about that we brought up yesterday that was talking about the soul? The soul wants. Wants one thing and the flesh wants another. There.

[Top Lobster]

Galatians, chapter five and chapter six. So.

[Matt]

Thank you. Five says walk in the spirit so.

[Owen Benjamin]

You don't fulfill the lust of the flesh.

[Top Lobster]

Right. And. Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt]

So I'm going to. I'll show you this right now because we've been getting. Sorry.

[Top Lobster]

I'll pull.

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[Owen Benjamin]

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[Top Lobster]

Only pay for what you need@liberty mutual.com.

[Owen Benjamin]

Liberty Liberty. Liberty. Liberty Savings.

[Top Lobster]

Very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates.

[Matt]

Excludes Massachusetts and Big into the Bible.

[Top Lobster]

Big into the Bible is intriguing because Paul is saying, don't go back under Judaism.

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't want to offend my boy. But he.

[Top Lobster]

But that's the whole context of the Galatian letter is do not go back under Judaism. You guys are going back under Judaism. No, bad.

[Matt]

This one right here. So the spirit against the flesh, and these are contrary to one another. And that's what. That's kind of what you're talking about, Owen, that these things are like, not.

[Top Lobster]

He's a food forest guy.

[Owen Benjamin]

He understands spirit realm stuff. Yeah, yeah. Like, I'll give you another spell. So one thing that I battle now would be, you know, with all the great food I have, I can just like, pound a half gallon of, like, fresh raw milk. I just milked. My wife is making pear crumble. But that, like, a spell is dad bod, where you're like, oh, it's fine. I can be a fat. I can have a dad bod. Because, like, you can be. You can have gluttony. You know, it literally is that it's always like, because. Because, like, what do you want to get away with? And so that's why one way I usually tell if my morality is from the Holy Spirit or from me trying to trick myself is. Is like, do I always like it? Like, am I always like, yeah, the thing I want is the moral thing. Because if. If that's the case, it's not the more. You know what I mean? Like, it's gonna suck sometimes where you're like, I shouldn't eat this. Like, this is excessive. You know what I mean?

[Top Lobster]

It requires, like, starving the flesh. Not starving.

[Matt]

Literal sense.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, it's all flat.

[Top Lobster]

The desires of the flesh. Look, we're at the 33 minute mark. We have to kick out these filthy poor people.

[Matt]

That's unfortunate.

[Top Lobster]

If you want to hear more about the desires of the flesh, you want to go to patreon.com/now/ephilim Death Squad. Otherwise, guys, give it about a week or so. This will drop in its entirety. We're gonna go hang out with the. The paying members now, the elites, which.

[Owen Benjamin]

Is a good thing, man. I'm into that now. That's why the. The wizard stuff is only on ladle, because there's something about the. Not. I'm not trying to call these people swine, but allegedly.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, call them swine. You can call them swine.

[Owen Benjamin]

Whole Pearls before swine. I used to always be like, yeah, but I want everyone to hear this great stuff. It actually isn't good for Certain people, like, unless they make an effort to, like, give back value, it can actually have the opposite effect on people. So it's actually like, the nicest thing you can do is to pay wall sometimes. I swear to God, I think so.

[Top Lobster]

And it's also good because we have to. In order to exist where YouTube is, we have to be able to censor some stuff.

[Matt]

It's funny, too. Like, so that the woman I was telling you about that had the conversation with today, ideologically.

[Top Lobster]

Well, this is delicious. This is playing outside in the coffee shop. Thank you to whoever bought us these. These are wonderful.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's good. But she's in direct opposition to our, like, my ideology. Your ideology. But she listens to the show and enjoys it. And I go, well, why are you listening?

[Top Lobster]

I love that.

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah. And it's because, like, she's like, well, you challenged me. And now I'm, like, challenging back. Because she's like, maybe I'm missing something or maybe you're stupid, but I want to know.

[Top Lobster]

Highly likely.

[Matt]

And I'm like, all right, that's the person that I want to talk to. I don't want to talk to somebody who's just going to be there hanging out passively and saying like, these guys are whatever or this and that. Like, she's invested. I'm like, all right, cool. Let's have a deeper conversation. That's the whole point of what. What I'm doing, at least.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And she also sounds like she knows truth exists outside of herself, which is like, the whole thing. It's like, well, what do you know that I don't know? Or what do you. You know versus the narcissist wizard type is like, whatever I want is the truth. It's subjective. Perception is reality. Like, that's how they think, where it's like, oh, you're going against my will, so you're bad. Versus, like, huh? I want us to figure out the truth more together. If do you see something I don't? And that's this fundamental of authority is outside of yourself, which is like, that. That's usually what bonds people.

[Top Lobster]

You know, I was. I was telling that story before that. That idea of, like. Like I said, the hypnotist. And I used to do this thing when I was a kid. I was in middle school, and I don't know who taught it to me, but I created a state of discomfort in somebody. So what it was was I would have my friend lay on their stomach on the ground, and they would have their arms outstretched above their Head, palms on the ground. I would lift their arms up, and I would say, let your head dangle. What that does is immediately causes a lot of stress. It's an uncomfortable position. The longer you're there, the more uncomfortable it gets. I would say, close your eyes. And I would weave together this narrative. I was. I was a kid and, you know, I had this horrifying story that I would tell people, and I would basically say, you know, sorry for the listeners, but you're a. You're a dildo. That's your thing right now. That's what you are. Imagine yourself as a dildo. You're inside somebody. One thing, I'll spare you the details, leads to another, and an angry husband comes in, doesn't like what he finds, and strikes the stomach of the wife who's using it, sending the dildo out, flying. Now, as soon as I set that narrative up and they're thinking about that, I would then slowly lower their arms towards the ground. But, like, really slow. And I would say, you're flying through the air. You're flying through there. You crash through the window. Dude, this is insane though, right? I would say, you're flying through the clouds. You're flying through the clouds. You're plummeting back to the earth. And as I'm saying that, they're anticipating the relief of touching the ground.

[Matt]

But they've already touched the ground.

[Top Lobster]

No, they. They're nowhere near the ground because of the slowness that. So now they've perceived their hands. As I say, there's a hole in the earth. You've fallen through the earth. So where they're anticipating the touch of the ground, they're still like two feet off the ground. Their arms are in the air. So they think that they are. And these people, albeit we're in middle school, they're freaking out. They're, like, kicking and, you know, writhing around. They're like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God. And I would slowly. So, so basically the whole ploy was because of the tension on your arms, you're anticipating the ground. You want the ground. You want the belief of putting your palms on the ground. It's nowhere near. And you're all messed up because your eyes are closed. So that gives this whole additional layer to the sensation. These people would stand up and they'd be like, dude, I was there. I was flying through the sky. I was flying through the clouds. I went through the window. I was the dildo. And I'm like, that right there is like a powerful metaphor. Like for people, if you create a stressful situation.

[Owen Benjamin]

And you naturally came up with that because you have novelty. Like, the dildo thing is perfect for that example, because it's like, it's comedic and vulgar enough to get through another line of defense.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, and then somebody taught me.

[Top Lobster]

The thing, but I weave the story.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. No. And it's like, that's why torture is all about where it's all about uncomfort. It's discomfort. It's not about just, like, writhing pain. You just get people in a position that's not comfortable. And then over time, they're like. They just start submitting. You know, they'll submit to get like. They fantasize about that. That comfort. And then, you know, I mean, Covid was. That exactly. Was like on the mask and then the uncomfort. And then it was like the vaccine was going to be the thing to relieve your comfort. As soon as we get the vaccine, then the mask will come off. You can go back to normal. Because the uncomfort of not having a normal rhythm was driving people insane. And that's why it's all about your own inner strength. Like, that's why to beat the wizard, it has to be like, your identity is not externalized. I was telling my lawyer a good trick to use for jury selection was just ask a potential juror, how do you get a cold? And if the answer is, because these. These dirty kids. I'm always around all these people and I had to go to work, that means they're externalizing authority. Or if they say, I haven't been getting enough sleep, I haven't been drinking enough orange juice, then it's internal. And so if you're trying to sue a corporation, you want a juror that externalizes authority. Like, it's. It's their fault. Yeah, it's like their fault that I got hurt versus it's my own fault. And the internal guy is much stronger. But if you're. Yeah. If you want someone to pay $100 million for getting burned by coffee, it's like you want the guy that blames the. The kid on the bus for the cold.

[Top Lobster]

That's a. That's a really deep insight into, like, a character trait. That. That's a real dividing line. Right? I mean, it's like.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because I would look at that, and I would go like, oh, well, what role did I play in this? You know, was I getting.

[Matt]

I would blame my kid. I'm. They're filthy, dude. I've been sick twice in the last two weeks. And I'm pretty sure it's because they coughed in my mouth, but, you know. Yeah, so I'll be on the jury.

[Top Lobster]

Because I always think, like, what about the stresses that are like, ding in my immune system? Right? Like, that kind of a deal is, is where I go, like, have I been getting enough sleep? Have I been doing too much and running myself thin? Yeah, it's. It's highly likely that I'm going to end up getting sick because I've been redlining it. Like, that's.

[Owen Benjamin]

I know. It's like, if I get shot in the back by an N, it's my fault, so I'm not going to live around them.

[Top Lobster]

That's it. That's it. Well, don't go to Walmart on the 1st, because I think that that's what they're doing. They're planning on. Have you seen the. You haven't seen these videos? Dude, they're saying the craziest things. I watch them videos of women in shower caps because that's the big thing. They wear shower caps outside and. And these black chicks are going, oh, you know, white people. You used to be. You used to be afraid. You used to think that we were going to do X, Y and Z to you. Now your fear is justified. Your fear is justified because coming November 1, you know, once they stop our benefits, we're robbing people. This is, this is what's happening.

[Matt]

That's a weird phenomenon because I don't, I don't believe them, but I feel like that's an extension of the wizardry, right? It's almost like.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, and I will say I do externalize some. I blame my kids sometimes for missing sleep. So I think it's always on a spectrum. So I just want you to know that I'm not like looking down at the people that externalize because I. Every now and then I'm like the. I didn't get good sleep because he had to freak out, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Well, there is a, an extent where you do. Like, you have to recognize when it is an external thing. But also if you don't take personal accountability for like, shit that's going on in your life, then you have no agency to fix it.

[Matt]

I think both things can be true. Like I said, I've been redlining it for sure.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I've been stressed out, breathing acrylic fumes.

[Matt]

Also my kid cough, like open mouth coughed into my mouth and I'm like, yeah, I'm sick now. Those things, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

I mean, even sickness, I Mean, think about it. It's almost like an offer. I think our body. When we see people coughing and freaking out, our body's like, okay, we should have a detox. That's an excuse to do it. Because I don't. I. I don't think viruses are what people say. But, you know, I think it sounds exactly like J Wizard, where you like to the max. It's like, you can't see. It doesn't procreate. It's not alive. We've never shown it cause anything but wants to make you sick. It's like, it's like saying firefighters cause fire. You're like, they're always present at the fire. So it's like, no. What if viruses are what your body, like, releases when it's sick?

[Top Lobster]

You know, like, shedding season.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. Like, I believe in, like, bacteria. If you're around, like, you're gonna get sick. Like, I'm not, but. But viruses have never been seen to do anything ever. Like, not once. And so, yeah, I don't. I don't know. I'm not in.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's strange because a lot of that, like, spell casting is around things that you can't see. So trust us. Like, you can see space, bitch. So trust us. And you can't see, like, microorganisms, so trust us. You can't see quantum super state particles, so trust us. And it's like, maybe that's like a real red flag that you should be looking out for. It's like when you have an unverifiable thing that you have to trust a governing body, an authority figure that goes like, trust me. I got. It's like, you know when you have to trust, like, the Pope. As the Pope goes like, no, dude, I got it under control. Like, I'm. I'm king of the spiritual realm here. I'm second in command. Trust me. Like, there's a lot of that kind of stuff where I think that is. That's your first red flag where you should be like, hold on, pump the brakes a little bit. Slow down. I don't know if I should believe this person.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, it's like right here in the Bible. It says the opposite, though. And he's like, I mean, the Bible is written for retards. Look, what do you say at that point, gathering my name, it's like, you know, it's going against the idea of bloodlines and stuff. Yeah, it's like, but my hat's a fish. And look, there's a naked kid on the wall. You know, I lost you guys for a second. Are you guys there?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, man, I think we. Yeah, we're getting a little bit cut up there. Yeah, we're having. Can you hear us?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I can hear you. Now, did you hear my hilarious joke about the naked.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, there's probably a. I did. And I heard the fish hat reference to in that.

[Matt]

Really?

[Top Lobster]

Can you do me a favor? Oh, and go ahead.

[Matt]

And I think that's us.

[Top Lobster]

It will. I think there might have been a latency developed because of that. Okay, so just refresh your browser real quick, Owen, because it won't fix the connection, but it will fix the potential latency. Yeah, man. That's an interesting concept, though. Like this idea of. Of spell casting, you know, and wizards. I mean, I think that's exactly what we're being subjected to is because everybody thinks when you like, oh, you talk about spell casting, you talk about wizards, like. Yeah, I mean, there's precedent for wearing a fish hat or wearing the robes or, you know, in the. The star spangled hat, Merlin kind of a dude with a beard. But I think that people can really get behind wizardry. Makes you, like, reactive, right, because you think of fantasy films and such. But we're talking about manipulating perception. Like, that's a huge thing.

[Matt]

Well, this is what it seems like this is what you're gonna try to do with. You're writing a book on. Right?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. How does. How to say a wizard? Because that's the whole thing. Like, a lot of times you can't say it directly.

[Matt]

Yeah. You're gonna come.

[Owen Benjamin]

Do you see? You guys still have me.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, no.

[Owen Benjamin]

Are the wizards doing it?

[Top Lobster]

We're getting blep. We're getting blapped up by the Internet here. I don't know what the heck is going on. But your book, how to kill Avi Loeb, that's what you were talking about.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, but it's like in literature, they'll use these metaphors to show truth because you can't just say it directly because, one, people don't want to hear it, and two, that's how you trigger the powers that be. Alice in Wonderland is totally about all this, but you can't really say it, so you have to say it about, like, people talking backwards and, you know, going into the underworld, the Mad Hatter, you know, a lot of these guys were dying of mercury poisoning. Like, you're doing like a. Like a. Like a critique of the culture at the time, but you have to hide it some way. Like Harry Potter is about the BBC you know, it's about just Hogwarts is the perception management of, you know, the Western world.

[Top Lobster]

That's interesting. It's about the BBC.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, they're trying.

[Top Lobster]

Can you talk a little bit more about that?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I just came up with the idea of the BBC, but just any routers, whatever. It's about wizards casting spells. It's called broadcasting. You know, my dad was a professor at this. It's called broadcasting. Okay, what are you casting? Like, you know, spells. It's called spelling. You know what I mean? It's like cursive. And everyone's like, yeah, but it's. But it's. You know, it sounds like fairy tale stuff. I'm like, no, but it is that, though. Like, look at what you get when you graduate. You put a square on your fucking head and you wear a robe and it's nonsense.

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[Top Lobster]

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[Owen Benjamin]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Owen Benjamin]

So it's like if I have a square on my head and I put this from here to here, that means I'm smart. That's nonsense. It's the same with, like, what a drill sergeant does to somebody. It's like you get them to a degree where you have to look to your. The guy screaming at you like, can I sit down right now? Do I have an ability of taking a piss? And. And that's how you get someone so detached from their instincts and their inner knowledge that they'll run into a machine gun and die because they want a little nonsense square on their chest. It's like if you get a stripe, that means you're brave. That was like the whole point of wizard of Oz is like this genius story about that. It's like the wizard of Ounce, like Oz, you know, it's like the yellow brick road to the Emerald City. The green, the greenback. It was all about 1933. They made gold illegal to own in America, they replace it with a dollar that's green. You know, don't fall asleep in the poppy fields with fentanyl. You know, it's like. And so at the end, the wizard of Oz is showing people, he's like, where I come from, you don't have to be brave, you just have to wear a medal. Where I come from, you don't have to. It's not about how much love you have for other people. It's how many people love you and gives them this nonsense philanthropy thing. It was like a hard hitting satire at the time where it's like an external validation for your qualities. It's not about, are you brave? Like, you can be a coward, but here's a medal of valor. And so once you're not looking inward and you're looking outward to define who you are, like, I am, blah, blah, blah, like you know, your identity, then, then you're, you're, you're no longer susceptible to the wizard, you know, and the wizard is real. It's like a real thing. And so the, the idea of journalism is, is wizardry. It's like, what's a journal? How about if they called it diarism? Like, we all have diaries, you know, it's like that's what a journal is. You just write down your thoughts. It's like that doesn't dictate reality, you know?

[Matt]

Well, it does, but it does, though.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it did.

[Owen Benjamin]

It dictates people's like, behavior. Like we are creators here in a sense that their, their spells don't do shit. If you don't believe it. I mean, look what just happened with Atlas 3 with me. Like that will have zero effect on me or my life at all. And if, if everyone was like that there, it wouldn't change reality. The whole thing is, hey, do you want to be a part of this crazy story? Because this happens all the time. Like six months ago there was a fucking asteroid gonna take out the world. Then people just, Yep. They forget. It's like they forget and then they go on to the next thing because they just want that. They're like, oh, the ends are gonna burn down the city again. It's like, okay.

[Top Lobster]

It's interesting because it's like we've been primed for a lot of these like, disaster scenarios and, and then that priming through like whatever media spell casting, right? Hollywood and all this crap, it creates like this almost longing for it, this desire for it. And maybe you couple that with the pressures of like this in like this unnatural system that we're locked in right where you, like, you work this 9 to 5, your wife works at 9 to 5, the state raises your kid, and you're like, kind of longing for the blacks to take over your town. I don't know, like, oh, you're a.

[Owen Benjamin]

Dildo flying through the air, going down a pit you're long touch the earth.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, exactly. And you keep that pressure on them, you know, and that pressure creates that. That longing effect. And it is. It's weird because you are. You're externalizing authority. Right. And you're. And you're looking for validation from these authority figures. You go through this public school system, which is very much about kind of like crushing you until you'll sort of be an assimilate and become a cog. And then when you're done with, you know, middle school, high school, you have two options. You can either continue the slow boil, so you go to university, and you. And you kind of like, once again bend the knee to higher education authority figures. And then you yourself might be able to become one when we give you this little piece of paper and certificate. But if that is not working, maybe your speed is a little bit faster. We can put you straight into the military. Well, you will be immediately crushed into that submission and handing over your. Your own, like, sense of authority to another individual. And. And then they'll give you. Yeah. Medals and stripes.

[Matt]

This conversation really puts into perspective when, I mean, you see it all the time online. They'll accuse Owen of being a cult leader.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Because you're doing a thing. And I guess we are. Anybody that's doing, like, creator shit, we're doing a thing where we're influencing the people that are watching us. And I don't know if that's like, I'm not, like, I don't know if I'm doing it intentionally, but I know that they are being influenced by the things that we say.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And the outsider that already has that influence is looking at Owen and he's like, this guy's a cult leader. And it's like, this is the reaction that you have to have because if Owen is now breaking down, he's breaking your. Your, like your existence.

[Top Lobster]

Power structure too.

[Matt]

Yeah. The dichotomy of how you operate. And he's building something different here. You have to then accuse him of what you're actually a part of. It's very. It must be very jarring for them.

[Top Lobster]

And what's crazy too, dude, is it's.

[Owen Benjamin]

Not like for him now, I didn't used to. I Used to be like, I'm a what? A culture leader. Like a cult is like, you don't let people leave. You're trying to everybody. Like a cult's a thing. And I'm nothing like that. And then I'm like, yeah, what? Because they've externalized their identity so much. And, and dude, one of the Weinstein, Brett Weinstein, even admitted that to me. He's like, if that's all true, then what's the point of my entire life? I'm like, I'm like, what are you talking about? Your life is awesome. Because I have that internal knowledge of like the soul and life and, you know, that obstacles are a blessing and all this stuff. So sometimes I have a hard time forgetting that other people are like, if I'm not this piece of paper on my wall, who am I? And that's what Alice in Wonderland is, is. Who are you? And then the accuser, the devil is always trying to, to get you to internalize an identity that he's creating for you. And. And then Jesus is the I am. Or it's like, you are. And then, and then that's. Yeah, because, I mean, the lies around me are so stupid at this point that the people that have known me a long time are like, what the. Because they'll just be like, failed comedian, cult leader, stole land, Jew, gay.

[Top Lobster]

I'm like, it's the same every time.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm like, Dude, I'm a 6 foot 8, blue eyed, uncircumcised dude on the ADL hit list. Like, if I'm a Jew, then they don't exist. It's like, no, I was literally my picture on the wall of the Hollywood improv next to Chris rocks. Like, I've never been a list, but I was always super respected. Like, that's all blatantly false. And it's because they can't just say, yeah, maybe dinosaurs aren't what they say they are. Like, because their whole childhood is about dinosaurs or moon landing, where it's like, but, oh, so you're saying my grandfather's a liar? No, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying, like, how would you tilt up on the moon and have a phone call? And it's like, oh, so. So you're. You're secretly obsessed. I'm like, dude, no, because as a comedian, you just see things like kind of what they are. It's like a, a natural paradox where it's like, that's why I'd be like a white nationalist named Fuentes is super Funny. And they'd be like, oh, how dare you? I'm like, dude, it's obviously funny. There's no way around that. It's like the Zach Alfenakis, condescending, illiterate, where you go, I've already told you, I can't read. Yeah, obviously, that's a paradox. That's the definition of comedy. You know, a little gay guy named Plant Daysby, you know, And I'm just like, it. I don't. Like, why are you guys freaking out? And they're like, this identity. I need, like, science, you know, Thus science being settled is a natural joke. It can't be. The whole point of science is you always are questioning it. Like, science might as well be called skepticism. Like, there is no way to do, like, a vote on the science. It's the. And that's when you get into inversion. It actually ultimately leads you down a more spiritual path. Because, like, I mean, the. The demon realm to me is more objectively valid than. Than these fucking space people, you know? Like, I mean, Amy were talking last night. She had an experience on a LA bus where she was like, you know, she was getting her masters at usc, and. But she was kind of aimless. And not having a path or an identity can be like a. A spiritually dangerous time. And she said there was this like, super beleaguered homeless dude on the bus. And he just wrote like, Amy on the chair and looked at her and goes like this. Yeah. And I'm like, yeah, that's like, demon. Like, there's no explanation that I. That I can think of outside of, like, empty vessel realm, fear stuff, you know. And so I might come across like, this. This guy that doesn't believe in anything. But I do, though. I think that, like, the unseen realm isn't viruses and asteroids. It's like, like, you know, the spirit realm, which I think is. Is a lot more objectively verifiable.

[Top Lobster]

That's a lot of. So, you know, you put us on to Dr. Marzinski, and we've talked to him a few times since then, and he's my 50 man, and we talk often about, like, you know, obviously our. Our audience is well aware Marzinski has come to the conclusion that, like, schizophrenia, which he's dealt with pretty intimately in his occupation, is. Is actually a spiritual disposition. It's like a. An oppression by something external to the individual. And not a broken mind or audio, auto audible or visual, visual hallucinations or like a chemical brain imbalance or any of that crap that this is like. An intelligence, a sentience, it adheres to patterns and you know, etc, Etc. And one of the things that they do is like this precognition, right. Where like they have like a little inclination. So. So Marzinski would talk about how, you know, some of the patients that he had that were schizophrenic would tell him stories. This thing made me aware of where drugs were. Yeah, it would just guide me to a place and I would lift up a board or get in a field and I would find like a dealer stash and. And I remember being on a Reddit that was like, I'm schizophrenic, ask me anything. You know, it was like a dude that was schizophrenic and he's just, you know, sourcing questions and, and one of the stories he was telling that inspired other schizophrenics to chime in was about this pre cognitive aspect of schizophrenia where like these voices seem to have some sort of ability to do some short term predictions about like the very near future. You know, like little things that don't make sense until they happen. And one of them was like, this guy's on a city bus. And it's like, it's funny. It's like city bus just seems to be a great place for stabbing a Ukrainian woman. Stabbing demons, just demons in general. And this dude, he's like sitting there and he's plagued with this, this intrusive voice over and over again. Like, the man with the yellow shirt. The man with the yellow shirt. The man with the yellow shirt. And this like just keeps happening to him until all of a sudden he pulls up to a stop and on the bus a man with a yellow shirt comes on and sits directly next to him in the two seater. He's in a two seater. So it's like the open seat next to him. And now he's shoulder to shoulder with the man in the yellow shirt. And these schizophrenic people are in the comments and they're like, dude, let me tell you when that happens to me. And boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Like this pattern just emerges and there's this weird. Yeah, like, like precognition aspect. So it is like it's an empty vessel thing. I think that's like one of the things that talks about like inviting the Holy Spirit in. I think the way we're made up, like our constitution is human beings. Like, you know, we have this physical body and we have a soul and we have a spirit, but there's also like, the way I kind of look at it is like, there's a. There's a compartment within us that we're just. That's just how we come. Right. We have, like, a void within us, and we'll try to fill it with all kinds of things. I think people chase that for a long time, filling it with all kinds of nonsense. But it's a spiritual void, and everybody has it. And you can actively ask for that spirit, the Holy Spirit, to fill you.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And go through, like, ritual and ceremony, which I'm very comfortable with, because it's like, if you look around, this realm is ran by ritual and ceremony. They're doing things by candlelight, they're invoking spirits, they're using geometry, they're using chants and things like that, and then they're being filled with some spirit. So it doesn't strike me as odd that you would maybe go through, like, let's say, like, water baptism or something like that and go through this ritual where it's a declaration in the spiritual realm, and you're asking this spirit, the Holy Spirit, to come and fill you, because if you don't, then there is this void and you'll forever be kind of like casting things out, trying to. Jordan Peterson, clean up your room. You might be alleviated for a while, but even the Bible says, like, if you don't fill yourself with the Holy Spirit, then these things will come back with, like, sevenfold, sevenfold demonic homies. So you can cast them out for a time, but they come back. It's like, if you look into people who have, like, witch doctor experiences, they're like, oh, yeah, Shaman casted this thing out of me, and I felt really good for a time.

[Matt]

Well, that's like.

[Top Lobster]

And then it got worse.

[Matt]

You're talking about also just on, like, a smaller level, the emptiness of politics, which is. I. I think it's a big reason why I don't. Like.

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't.

[Matt]

It's not that I don't like Fuentes. I don't. I don't agree with. What he says is because he's leading, like, a whole generation of kids down this, like, weird political path with his just more emptiness. It feels like a solution for them Donalds.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's just fast food. And we're watching now him, like, gain promise, which is like. It's a conundrum for me because I'm kind of like, he should have never been canceled in the first place. That creates what he is now. But the irresponsibility of the movement or I don't even know if it's irresponsibility or fed let or whatever you want to call it. It's going the wrong way and it's, it's got a lot of, it's got a lot of power with it. It's got a lot of momentum and we're like.

[Owen Benjamin]

The way I see it is, is it doesn't, you know, and it, for me, it's all the pedo stuff and it's not. People think I'm like obsessed or like that I care this much. I'm like, I'm just doing what I think is my civic duty. It's like this guy's talking about how he wants to have sex with mary because she's 12. And he's always like, you know, true.

[Top Lobster]

Wait, I never heard about that dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like there's hours I, I put together montages of like, I'm pretty sure the dude's like a full blown pad. And it's like, I've heard that he.

[Top Lobster]

Does like catboy furry stuff, right? Or yeah, yeah, Fuentes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I don't want to talk about hypnotism. It's like. So he ends a stream when he was on Cozy and it just starts playing gay porn that, that he's clearly watching and he blames it on the idf and people just bought it. They're like, he's like, yeah, it's the idf.

[Matt]

Are you serious?

[Owen Benjamin]

Swear to God, dude. It was like a thing. Like, he's like, oh yeah, this IDF group clearly did that. And it's, there's, there's no chance.

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[Owen Benjamin]

Talks about how kids are hot with destiny. He's like, no, he's just pushing that thing. And so what I think is the, the Jews piss people off so much that people will overlook so much of his heinous shit just because they're like, but we got to stop this enemy. That's why the whole our enemy is not flesh and blood is so important. Because it's like such a trap to be like, well, we have to unify even if we don't understand these people, because we have to stop the elites. And it's like, dude, it can always get way worse. Like, this isn't the end of the road. Like, I, I got. My whole Hollywood thing was I couldn't unsee the child stuff. And I was very vocal about it. And, you know, I was on a sitcom the year before I was quote unquote, canceled. It wasn't like I was on my way out. I was like, if you don't stand up against child sexualization, like, you should just not be here. Like, that's what's. What's the point of being alive. And I've never seen it as bad as Fuentes. Like, I've never seen like open pedo stuff like the Ali Alexander stuff. He was soliciting nudes from Fuentes's audience, like 15 year old guys. And Fuentes was running cover for him and then defending like that behavior. And I'm like, that's like fall, you know, like post Rome collapse. Like that it doesn't really get too much worse. And so, and then the whole, like, he was canceled, like him being on the no Fly list for a year was because he threatened to shoot a flight attendant with a gun. You know, it's not like him having his funds briefly frozen was because, like a French national who just shot himself in a hotel room gave him 13 bitcoin. Like his funding is so weird that, you know, people are like, where is this coming from? Is it, you know, foreign nationals and all that? And then he'll just always spin it and make it like he's a victim. Like he was canceled at 18. It's like, dude, I was a janitor. Like, what is he talking? Like, what does he think he deserves? You know? And so, yeah, I think, like. And I think the whole quote unquote movement is, is like the hypnotism thing we're talking about, where it's justification for laziness, where it's like, I won't get married because women are all whores and bitches now. That's what he said on Tucker. You know, he's like, it's women's fault. Okay, well then, now you don't have to try it all to be a Good person. It's like you can watch gay pornos and jack yourself silly and still be a quote unquote Christian because of the Jews. You know, it's. The Jews make you do it. Eats McDonald's, you know, all day long. Tells people not to eat healthy. It's like, well, then that's, that's like a cancerous little tumor. And for the people that are just like, exhausted and I get it, like Gen Z or whatever, it's like you're raised in this environment where they say you're bad because you're like a white male and everything's inverted and it sucks. And so finally you have someone tell the dildo that they can rest. And they're like, yes, but it's, it's worse. It's like. And when you can see how unnaturally propped up he is, it's, it's not, you know, it's like most likes on the Internet aren't people supporting you. It's saying you agree with me. It's almost like saying, good, good call. I'm right. It's narcissism. And so that's what. A lot of people aren't actually supporting that dude. Like, people that I see promoting them online, like, they've texted me, like, way to take down that little homo, you know? So I'm like, they just want to align with power because they think it's power, but there's no power in perception. It's fake, you know, and, and then. And when someone sees through it or they choose to not live like a scumbag, like, scumbags aren't powerful. You know, like, people that don't take authority, people that don't try hard or work hard or, like, suffer for, like, something good. Like, they don't. They're not a threat to anybody. They're nothing. They're like dust.

[Matt]

This is a, it's, it's going to be an interesting study as from, from my, from my vantage point when I'm looking at Nick, Nick seems to have realized the moment after Charlie Kirk's death. And he's playing, he's playing ball a little bit better than he would have before. And some of his hardcore followers, the ones that follow him no matter what, like these, you know, you run into them online. His latest thing where he's criticizing the guy with the Nazi uniform, no matter how you feel about it, he's like, oh, that's just cringe. That's just whack. He's like. And some of his followers are like, I don't know. And now they're, like, fighting amongst each other because they're like, well, dad said one thing, and we're always supposed to listen to dad, but now dad is saying the other thing.

[Owen Benjamin]

He has a Jewish best friend, a Jewish assistant. He's.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because he's just. He doesn't. And I explained this to people seven years ago about this guy. I'm like, he doesn't believe in anything except Power Acquisition. So, you know, I saw that with Alex Stein. Alex Stein was this hardcore truther. And then immediately when he's on Blaze, now that's all gone. And now he's, like, using that to launch his next thing. And I'm like, you know, my wife will say that these people don't really.

[Matt]

My wife.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. No, but it's a good way to put it where it's like, they're not like, real people, because they don't. They're always defined by the external. Like, you can see. You could see Fuentes with Tucker. He's like, I mean, these are my heroes. You know, he's talking about Trump, and he's like, this is my hero. Like, he's groveling. You know, he's like, groveling before the king. Just so thirsty. And he's talking about how, like. And then. And then you have the people in denial where they're like, oh, no, it's 40 chess. He's like, saying all this good stuff about Jews that one day I'm like, dude, he only wants power because. Talk about that emptiness, you know, that dude, he's made in a laboratory. He's an IVF little scumbag, and I don't think he has a dick. So when you're, like a dickless IVF guy, it's like your whole life is just trying to fill a void that will never be filled.

[Matt]

I. I will say something. And this might. I don't know if this is gonna sound like. I'm not boisterous, but I was telling you about it recently, and I. I like the guy that I'm talking about. But what happened here is Nick recognized the moment. He got the Tucker Carlson thing, and I'll probably get Joe Rogan. And he's. He's smart, well spoken, recognized the moment, played the part, and. And I. I think flawlessly, I. From the clips that I've seen. So he's gonna move through this space I was offered a long time ago. Elijah Schaefer. I like Elijah.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

He invited me to. He was like, come and host the show. He was out of town or something like that. He's like, host my show and do this. And I was like, oh, this is like a tryout for auditioning. Yeah, yeah, I'm audition. So I just said, okay, thanks. And I invited the entire tower gang. And we just, like, made it. It was. But I was like, I'm not gonna. I didn't want that. But I kind of. I was like, I'm so glad that I didn't do the job that I was supposed to do, because I was clearly, like, tapped, like, here, do this thing.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And then maybe host. And I was like, I don't. I'm not interested in doing that type of thing. And I didn't understand it as intimately. Intimately at the time, but I think that that's what it was. And some people get that. That, like, you're never told. You're never told specifically do this. But there are the moments where they're like, let's see.

[Top Lobster]

It's a very similar thing that happened with. With Stu Peters, who I also like. But I had to be like, I don't know what I'm. What I'm doing here, because we were going on. We were getting invited on Stu Peters show a lot.

[Matt]

And again, I like Stu Peters. I like Elijah, but I'm just not going to do the thing.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I'm wondering about, like, what is my role?

[Owen Benjamin]

Angelic schizophrenia, where it's like, subtle, where just something kind of just nudged you. Like, just be yourself. And dude, it's. I, I, I. It's not like a. Trust me, bro. But you guys know I've seen a lot of. It's the right move. It's like they're. Those guys aren't getting, like, just support. They're like. They're only getting support from the fake world. And then. And they're. And they're like, over time, it's just getting whittled away. Like, do you think anyone's ever written Nick Fuentes? Like, listen, I disagree with you, but I feel like we can learn from each other. And that's why I watch. No, no, no. It's like, it's like junkie. It's just like. It's just like. It's human farming, dude. And it's like, you don't want to live that way. I know you guys. Like, you guys would not be like. Because they would say, like, we'd prefer if you didn't talk about, like, the book of Enoch. You know, it's a little. And it would just start like that, and then it would just Keep going until you're just like, hey, everybody. And then it's like, for me personally.

[Top Lobster]

There was two people with good examples. Oh, and you were one of them. The other one was Frank, quite frankly. And specifically, it was the fan base. So the Bears and the Franklies, I look at them and I'm like, yo, these people are good people. Like, these are solid people. These are wholesome people. These are, like, sharp dudes. And. And they all just feel good. And there was a time where I was doing, like, timeline cleanse, and, you know, I started getting kind of noticed for, you know, like, the digger loop or whatever. Whatever.

[Matt]

Hey, hey, it's the Christmas.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, that's what it was called. And people.

[Owen Benjamin]

Anyway, go on.

[Top Lobster]

It is. You're gonna break that spell. And what that was was just like how, like, black people will get into a fight and they'll say the same word over and over again, like, what's up? What's up? What's up? And it was like an observation or an organic observation, but it became, like, kind of a meme. And. And then I'm making appearances on Stu Peters thing. I'm in the Jew documentary and all this stuff, and, like, I start becoming, like, I start garnering these people that are like, yeah, man, black people are terrible.

[Owen Benjamin]

Totally, man.

[Top Lobster]

It's the Jews. And I'm like, no, wait. Like, I don't want. I don't like you. Like, there's. There's a core group of. Of fans of this show who. I look at them and I really like them. And I'm like, that. These guys are cool. They get it. But then there's these other guys that are popping up, and they're like, yeah, dude, you're my. You're my race warrior. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. And it's like, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

I feel like Michael Jordan in Space Jam, where they, like, they. They have him in, you know, in the cartoon when he's on the mountain, and they're like, shoot the free throws, like, say, the NW And I'm like, I won't. I just won't.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not going to do it. And the thing that really gets me, too, is, like, when I look at these people, and I'm like, wait, wait, you think that I'm aligning with you, but, like, if you really, really get down to the nitty gritty, I'm not white enough for you. So, like, when you really become full of hatred and you really think that you can externalize all your problems to, like, some Other people group and they're the reason sucks and you don't want to take accountability. You will eventually look to me and you'd be like, you're a couple of shades too brown. And some of them were already doing that. And I'm like, no, dude, I don't. These are the people that I like.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think that they want someone a little brown so that they're not in because these are like total losers.

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[Matt]

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[Owen Benjamin]

Me, like 6, 8, blue eyed. Like they don't want that. They want a Fuentes, you know, someone that's from the streets of Miam. You know, it's like. Because then it's like, oh yeah, you're going to say all this shit, but I'm not going to feel like you're whiter and more Aryan than me, you know, because they're insecure as fuck. They're like, if you externalize all your shit, then you don't want a leader that they're jealous of. Leaders like they, they, that's why they like little gimps because they like that they want to feel superior. They're just losers, man. And yeah, the bears are awesome. Like when I did my festival this year, it dawned on me there wasn't one person I didn't want to like hang with and talk to, you know, like that's, that's non existent in the entertainment world. Like most people want to get the hell away from their quote unquote fans because they view them as like cattle. It's like, you know, they're a demographic they serve and they come and they buy the merch and you know, and they're all getting the little spellcraft like Steven Crowder. It's like buy the Jesus little tight shorts and, and you're going to heaven with a mansion and you're gay and ignoring your grandkids because you're a boomer on life support. You know, it's like, just give Me the money. And that's it. It's like the sale of indulgences. Like, that's what Luther was talking about. So it's like, who did the first blog? How funny is it that Luther was like a Reddit guy? 95 theses. He's like, well, I think. I just think that's kind of funny.

[Top Lobster]

I.

[Matt]

Well, how do you. How do you deal with this with. With the Bears as you scale? Because you're at a much larger scale than we are. But that's one of your things. Like, one of your topics that I find the most fascinating, where you're. You're breaking down the deterioration of an idea or a movement as it gets bigger. And the idea for the. Is to give, right? That's what you want. You want to talk to more people, but it gets diluted because you're just one guy. So what do you. Have you. Have you put any thoughts?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I thought a lot about it. I mean, sometimes I. I'd get bummed. But it wasn't because I want fame or money. I'm like, if I'm not accessible on YouTube or one of these main platforms, like, is it just a slow drip out? You know, I've thought that and been like. And then fortunately, it's like the community's so strong that they can just rally and be like, give me all their perspectives and write letters and stuff. And what I've learned is the scale is what it's supposed to be. And that gives me a lot of peace where it's like, it's just whatever it's supposed to be. Like, if it's supposed to be bigger. I mean, in the Bible, it doesn't say, like, the road to heaven is super wide. You know, it's like, whatever it is, it is. And I. And if you just think about quality for the people in your community and you just always serve them, there is a natural growth to it. But it's like word of mouth or like, you know, someone springs up and does clips because he's really into it. Like, right now, I got this dude, Aquila Bear is just like, really pumped about doing clips and getting people to check out the stream. And. And it's like, it's just like, actually perfect. And sometimes I have that. We talked about that at Bohemian Grove, like, the competitive athlete in you and stuff like that. And I have that too, where it's like, you almost. You can't really accept perfect. You're almost like, but. But I gotta, like, tweak it and push this thing and do this thing, and you're almost, like, seeking chaos in a way. But if you really stop and think about it, like, there's. There's nowhere you'd rather be than just, like, doing your thing for the people who appreciate you, and you can support a family on that, like, that's, like, the dream, you know?

[Matt]

Yeah, there's. I mean, there's a. There is a point of diminishing returns. I think I reached it and then had to step back and recover from it because, like, you'll do something to a point where you're trying to grow this thing and you max out, and then I got to, like, step away for a little bit. I'm getting tired. I'm like, should I even be doing this thing? We've. We've spoken to Tony Merkel about it, and I think he's gone the opposite route of what guys like us are doing, where it's like, his community's gotten so big, where he's kind of, like, just hands off.

[Top Lobster]

And I'm like, that's just hands off. He shut himself off from it in a big way. Like, isn't that his kind of declaration? He's like, can't do community yet.

[Matt]

He's.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Matt]

He's like, I can't do it at all. And I'm just like, well, then what's the point of. What are you. What are you doing here? Like, you're just. Now we just got, like, gathering audiences, and I'm not saying he's. He's bad or anything, but it's just, like, question. It's an interesting question as. As you grow. Because that's what we're trying to do.

[Top Lobster]

Like, I think the question is, like, real, too.

[Owen Benjamin]

I. I can see. Dude wizard is fascinating. Like, how many of these guys, they see these huge numbers, and there's no actual contact. It's like Tim Pool. Remember when he did a live event, it was like, eight fat girls. Like, there's no audience. It was not real. There's, like, they don't actually have audiences, some of these people. And then other people have. I remember the biggest podcast I ever did, way bigger than Rogan, was the Impractical Jokers. And no one even thinks about it. It's like, they sell out stadiums, and it's not even, like, people. They were, like, on true tv, you know, it's like, you don't even think about that.

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[Owen Benjamin]

Book [e-mail] because it's not marketed like that. You know these. And I think I can see it with the Fuentes where it's like Fuentes is marketed like he's the leader of like all the youth. And I'm like, it's just weird how I've never actually seen that outside of like rumble numbers.

[Top Lobster]

You know, if he tried to throw a live event, like, if it was just Fuentes, he would say, I'm not going to do it because I'm going to get shot.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because he already canceled. He canceled it and I guarantee it was because there was no numbers.

[Top Lobster]

Like, it's like, wait, did he cancel it? He said it was dangerous.

[Matt]

No, they said he got canceled and then he kept the money too. It was just shady.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And dude, that's what. That was the last. That was when I realized the dude was because he followed me on Twitter. He followed like 300 people. So I know he saw it. And I wrote him this long thing about how to like buy his own piece of land. I'm like, if it's. If tickets are 400 bucks, you pull it together, 5,000 people, you can like, if you have that. No, that's $2 million. Then you have a place where you can't be canceled. I'm like recommending, like having no debt because with that you have to get insurance and they conjecture premiums. Like, I know all about this and no response. And no even, like no one even wanted to hear it. And then immediately people are like, oh, no one cares about your cult or like your land scam. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm on my fourth festival. Like, it can't be shut down because you own it. And then it's community driven. And then I saw him say that he was losing all this money on cozy tv. And I'm like, yeah, I know that it's expensive. That's why I charge for ladle. You guys know, it's like you have to pay for the, the back end, but if you're. I still make money on it. It's like, I don't think he really has Supporters. It's like, so much of this is smoke and mirrors. So if someone's, like, wants to be the wizard of Oz, and they're like, I'm not gonna read comments. I'm not gonna talk to the fans. I'm gonna be behind. I'm gonna be in my glory, you know, behind the curtain. And then they open the curtain, and there's fucking nobody there, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I don't need a million people. I. What I need is, like, people who get it and. And people who I think are at least, like, being honest and not. Because it's. I. I think you draw certain conclusions when you're being honest and. And, for example, like, hating entire people groups. It's one thing to, like, joke about and everything, but it's another thing to mobilize and be like, it's all the Jews or it's all the blacks. If. If you're doing that, I'm like, you're not being intellectually honest because you would come to much more reasonable conclusions than that. And I don't want you. So I don't need, like, a million people. I don't need, like, Nick Fuentes numbers.

[Matt]

But when you get to it, like, when you get to a million people, then do you have to become the Wizard?

[Top Lobster]

That's the question. That's what I was saying about access.

[Owen Benjamin]

Now, you don't have to become the wizard. You can just keep scaling. It's just like, there's really no. There's nothing stopping you outside of, like, wanting something that didn't naturally occur. And then you become the wizard, where you. Where you put on a Persona to get a new demographic. And that always backfires. It's like, it always hollows out the authenticity of it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

I thought Rogan had way more power and influence in, like, 2015 than he does now, and people are like, oh, $200 million. He's crushing it. I'm like. I remember, like, a lot of dudes that I knew and respected and myself included would be, like, all about listening to Rogan. I don't know anybody now. Like, he's in the. He's in the cultural zeitgeist of clips. And, oh, did you hear? He's part of this thing, and he had this guy on, but nobody's, like. They're almost, like, using him for, like, access to a guest or something. Nobody's, like, into, you know, like, story now. Like, you guys's story is a great story. It's like a. It's a. It's a. It's A authentic and. And good story. And that's how things just spread organically.

[Top Lobster]

You know, I. I used to listen to him for a long time, and then I. I kind of stopped because. So I was big into Rogan early because he was, like, touching on conspiracies. I was. I was an early adopter. Somebody put him on my radar. It's like late 2009. So I was. I was just 19 years old, and I started to listen to him, and I was like, oh, this dude's talking, like, somewhat about these conspiracies.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, totally.

[Top Lobster]

Slowly but surely, he kind of, like, moved away from that. And then I still found, like, there was some. Some educational things, like, I will credit Rogan for. I didn't have, like, any kind of structure in my life or anything like that. He was the first dude that I ever listened to that made it sound appealing to implement discipline into your own life instead of, like, you know, just moving through life like I was. Because I used to be homeless and everything, so I had, like, no structure. And then, you know, I. I enjoyed this dude, but one thing leads to another, and it just felt like you said, like, hollowed out, and so I kind of faded away. And then, like, 2019 hit, and when they started raising the alarms, you know, the vid was on the horizon and what's going on? I felt like this dude was. Was so off the mark that I couldn't waste any time listening to him anymore, and I had to, like, do my own research and.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then from that. Yeah. And from that point forward, I stopped listening to him. And now. And now I look at him. Yeah, I guess he's the biggest podcast in the world, but I don't know what that means. I mean, I still bump into people that.

[Matt]

We're number 11 in Guam.

[Top Lobster]

No, not Guam.

[Owen Benjamin]

Talk about your podcast. And him. Like, I think he brought me up recently, and one guy told me, you guys have brought me up recently. And, like, five guys will tell me, yeah, like, yeah, you know, like those little things and about you not have being educated, and it's like, that's indentured servitude. Like, they just don't wizard spell. It's like you're buying someone that's a hundred thousand dollars in debt. It's bondage, so that they can't leave the job. That's the whole point of a college education. You put a square in your head and you go like this. It's stupid. It's saying, I'm in a hundred thousand dollars in debt. So that means you can hire me and I won't leave when you know, is bad. And so you're actually more free from your background, which is why this world is run by a wizard.

[Matt]

You know, dude, this is what. This is what. I brought it up because I'm realizing quickly now, like, we. We had a doctor call us, call me yesterday, and he's like. Basically, he came on the show and he's like, in his location, there have been over 10 people that come to see him now. And they're like, oh, that's awesome, because that's so cool because of the show. And I'm just like, what the fuck is going on? And. And now I'm like. I'm realizing, like, we, like, we could see the numbers before. Like, look at these numbers. And they mean nothing. Sometimes rumble numbers, sometimes they.

[Top Lobster]

Half of what they mean, that means.

[Matt]

But when they're actually in real life and they're reaching out, I'm like, oh, my God. And then I realize also what. What I think these people want is access. They want access to us, is what we're talking about. They enjoy it. They resonate with it. I'm like, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

They want community.

[Matt]

Yeah. But I don't know if I could offer all that. Like.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, that's why you have them.

[Top Lobster]

I'm learning.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I've never. I don't have people in my house. I'm like a hermit, you know, you just like. You can just be like. Have. Just have meetups and just. Just keep an eye out for Gammas, you know, Keep. Keep an eye out for like someone leading meetups that starts getting nuts. But it's just like, you guys go do like one festival a year. That's what I do. And just. We have just bear meetups where you got the Indianapolis crew and different crews, and they just get together and do stuff. Because if people are serious about going, quote, unquote, against the Jews, but they never talk about getting out of debt, having children, getting healthy. They're not really. They're just like. They're eating McDonald's and whacking off. It's like. It's nonsense. So you don't have to really. Like, it should. It's like permaculture. Like that dude that we're talking about before. It's like a food forest. You shouldn't feel like you're expelling your energy. Should be, like, supportive. So, like, you don't have to be anything for these people. You just can be what they say is like a Tent post where it's like they can all just kind of rally around and be like, oh, yeah, I like that show, too. Which basically is signaling, like, I can think for myself, you know, stuff like that. And then they just do their own shit. And you don't have to do it.

[Top Lobster]

You know, we have people that, like, show up.

[Matt]

You don't have to do it.

[Top Lobster]

No. I mean, that's huge. We're in this coffee shop, and like, every day that we walk in, there's another person who's, like, you know, enjoys the show and is just another guy that gets it. And he's hanging out. He's, like, reading the Bible. He's drinking a coffee. We'll chop it up. And it's like real people are actually coming here. It's kind of amazing to me because all we're really doing. And Owen, I think you're doing, like, a lot of the same shit, is.

[Matt]

Like, Owen's been doing it before us, and.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but what is the root of what he's doing? It's almost like that seems gay. Is that really true? Let's. Let's look at this. And that's really it. Like, that's the whole thing. Like, this sounds gay. This sounds a little. Is this true? Because they're saying this is true. Let's look at it. And, like, I'm not saying. I know what the answer is. I'm not saying any of that crap. I'm just like, that sounds like maybe this is what's going on. Maybe this is what's going on. Let's have a look at it. Because it kind of looks like this is what's going on. And that's just, like, the heart of it, you know, in. In a lot of ways. And then, like, you know, slowly but surely, we came to, like, Jesus Christ as being this really central, important component. But. But I think even that's still at its root is you come to that conclusion because you go, like, what. What everybody's saying, like, the general consensus sounds kind of gay. And I. I don't think that that's true. Does that sound true to you guys? Maybe we should look at it and that's it. So when people go like, oh, Owen's doing it, Cole. It's like.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like the opposite.

[Top Lobster]

It's literally just seems to be doing a lot of like. Yeah, yeah. Because there's no doctrine. There's no thing that you can't deviate from in what you're telling people, really. You're, like, mocking things that are Obviously stupid on the surface. Right? And then, you know, it's just kind of. You're taken aback by the fact that so many people believe in this thing. And so, you know, it's like, hey, let's talk about this. Let's mock the parts that are mockable, that deserve mockery, and let's talk about what maybe actually is going on. And that's it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, no, it's that classic satanic inversion of accuse what you are. You know, like what I'm doing is the opposite of a cult. Like, people get mad that I'm not a cult leader. They're like, so what's the answer? I'm like, that. I don't know, like I'm trying to figure that out, you know, and they're like, I'm like, I have faith and this and that, but like, it's. I'm not going to call it a fact. It's faith. And, and it's like, since I won't give them that relief of like, it's the blacks, you know, like, they'll, they'll see my Wikipedia and come to me and think like, I'm the guy that's going to give them that relief of.

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[Owen Benjamin]

And I'm like, that's not the truth though. And then they call me a cult leader. When a cult. All a cult does is like give you this firm nonsense thing that allows you to not have to think ever again. It's like a way to save mental calories and I don't do that ever.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, we, I mean, I guess, I guess we try to keep it as open as possible too. I don't know if that's a cop out on my part, but like, I'm just kind of here to like listen and then say what I think.

[Owen Benjamin]

Whatever people follow, like what you're describing is like normal human behavior. It's just like we're in a world where all the influencers are so motivated by Hidden that it seems like what we're doing is so strange. Like, what you. You just gave me credit for is literally human nature, where it's just like, is that real? What do you guys think of this? Yeah, it's like that's literally how we're made. But now we're. We're inundated by so many people that. That they. They act like they. They know the thing. And everyone has to act this way. It's because they're being funded by people that no one can see, whereas we're funded by the people that listen to us. So we're going to act human and helpful and they're not. And that's why it seems like we've just discovered this thing. It's almost like if porn goes full circle and it's like, oh, this, this fetish, it's like all about, like, marriage and pregnancy, you know, where it's like, oh, this is so, like, naughty and taboo. It's like, imagine just like getting a chick pregnant and like, only her. It's just full circle. Like now we're these rebels that are just like. Yeah, I like listening sometimes, talking other times and just wondering what is true. It's like, that's. That's our nature.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Dude, I think. I'm sorry, I'm getting like. I'm still like, caught up on this idea of the wizard that. That you're talking. How many layers there are and how many layers I, like, we are sort of like, removed from it in a way where it doesn't even. Oh, my God. It doesn't even really make sense anymore. When I'm. When I'm looking at it from the outside looking in. I don't even know if what I'm saying makes sense because I'm just like, what's that? I'm trying to explain. I know. I'm trying to explain the idea of looking at. Looking at the trickery from the outside. Because if you're going to write about this.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

To people who don't understand from the outside.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's hard.

[Matt]

Like, how would you. How do you even begin to explain it?

[Top Lobster]

I feel like you could only speak to somebody about it if they have an inclination that it is bullshit. Because a lot of people of being indoctrinated into like, this fear perception.

[Matt]

Is the book aimed at bears? Is it aimed at people that get. Are you talking to people that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. The way I handle that is you frame it in the micro. You frame it in their personal life. Like. Like, you know that feeling when Someone talks in a way where they're manipulating you, you know, and then. And then from there, you can fractal it out. Where I'm not talking secret societies, and I'm talking about, like, when someone does authoritative speech to get power and you kind of know it. Where it's like. Like, how long have you been so sensitive? You know, it's like the assumption where it puts you in a false binary where any way you answer, you're accepting their worldview. That's a wizard. So it's like.

[Top Lobster]

And so that's similar, Owen, to a. Like a good. Like, you ever been walking through somewhere? And also you get captured by like, a pretty skilled salesman. And it's like, no matter how you try to tell this guy, like, you're not interested, you're getting walked down this path. And then next thing you know, like, they're trying to get you to sign off on paperwork. And it's like, some people are really good at just being like, no, but then other people like that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like, do you want to round up for the kids? Like, you go the grocery store, hey, do you want to round up for the kids? I say, do you want to round down for my kids? You know?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's a good one. I like that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Yeah, it's that. That's the. The wizard battle every day is not with, like the World Bank. It's with people in your life that are doing manipulations. And it's like. And how do you. And how do you. How do you deal with that? With, like, humor and with knowing who you are and not having to seek external validation and all these things. But it's. It's everywhere. And so that. That's where you relate when people think something may not be right. A lot of times people might not. A lot of people don't have the time to look into our mountains, trees, you know, like, because I have all this time to do that. But they. They see the. The lies in their immediate reality. And so it's like how people are being manipulated. It's. It's honestly like partially a. A handbook on dealing with narcissists. You know, it's like where someone's definition of reality is whatever they want it to be. And then you see it in the big picture, and then you see it in the spiritual realm. And then you realize that these truths just like, you know, a riverbank or a river or like a nerve system. It's like all a fractal boxes were.

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[Owen Benjamin]

A fractal thing. And there really is no end to any of it. It's like, what's true in the very small is true in the very large. Yeah. And like how a wizard deals with it. There's a chapter called Once they know you know where. It's like, because my whole life has been like this, even as a kid, I remember dealing with.

[Top Lobster]

Really great way of approaching it because it's very.

[Owen Benjamin]

Did you lose me?

[Matt]

Hello?

[Owen Benjamin]

Hello?

[Top Lobster]

Hello?

[Matt]

Oh, okay.

[Top Lobster]

You said there's a.

[Owen Benjamin]

There's a chapter called when they know when they. I think it's called when they know you can see them because that's a major thing that happens. And then it. And then it's like ad hominems, like, they. They attack your character. They accuse you of the opposite whisper campaigns. But it, like, can. It can backfire really bad for them too, if they. If you don't get like, they're trying to get you emotional unstable. And if you. If you hold the line, it like, falls away. But if not, it's like a pretty consistent pattern of behavior. It's like. And once they know you can see them for what they are, everything changes. Because the wizard is always hiding behind the curtain. It's like once they see behind the curtain that he's this little man, there's no going back. And they know that. And that's why people can, like me can be so exiled because, like, everybody in that whole inverted pyramid knows I can see what they're doing. And. And then they just, like, Amy would say that I could go to. I could be around people that don't even know who I am or anything. And within a few minutes, it's like all the snakes and lizards just start, like, acting weird. Like, there's almost. There's almost like a vibe I have where if someone's hiding something nefarious, they just start getting weird around me. They start, like, looking around and like, maybe I could have been a cop in another life. You know, I'm just like. I'll just look at someone, be like, what do you mean by that? They're like, I got to go. Like, they can just tell that I'm like. But for real, though, I don't. I'm not going to go along with the thing, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's a really Great way of.

[Matt]

You're asking. You're probably asking them uncomfortable questions.

[Top Lobster]

You do that.

[Matt]

That's all that I do.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yourself too, though. Just how you look. They know. They can tell. People can just tell, you know.

[Matt]

So, yeah, people tell me that. They're like, like, you're like this, you're like that. I'm like, I don't feel like that. I feel like. I don't know. They're like, oh, when you walk in it, it's like you. Like, we have two different things, you.

[Top Lobster]

And I, because you, You're. You have a curiosity that asks, like, I perceive the person's as well as you perceive it, but I. I immediately determine it's not my job at all to deal with this person to expose their crap. But. And, and you don't look at it that way either, I would say, because the energy that you approach a situation with is like. So for example, we went to suppress fest and you know, we're.

[Matt]

What did I do that?

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't even.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, it was so funny.

[Matt]

So.

[Top Lobster]

So this guy walks up to me and I've got like, tattoos or whatever, and he's just like, hey, man, nice ink. And like, I. That never happens. And I look at it and I go, oh, yeah, it's just crap that I got on my body. Like, it's not something that I'm like, super proud of. It's not something that I dislike either. It's just like, I don't talk about my tattoos with people. But this guy comes up to me and I can see he's got tattoos. So he's fishing. I didn't know what he was fishing for, though. What he was actually fishing for was for me to just finish saying my thing so that he can insert his thing. And what it was is he lifts his glasses up and he's got an all black eyeball.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then he's also got this whole slash down his eye. Like a. Like a scar down his eye. Later on I figured out, I was like, oh, this dude put a fake scar on his eye. That's weird. But. So I go, whoa, man. Like, I don't want to talk about it with you. But, you know, you're showing me your eyeball now. I go, that's crazy. And that's where I leave it. But because it's not. You just looked at him and you went, why'd you do that?

[Owen Benjamin]

Thing that really freaks people out is not even being mad, just being curious. Like, why'd you do that? Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah. Still see, he didn't have an answer, though.

[Top Lobster]

He was just like, oh, I don't know. You know what's weird, too? Because I don't know why you present this thing to me, but I go like, oh, my God, how'd the scar happen? And then he's like, I don't want to talk about it. I'm like, what? And then he goes, they got my tongue too. And he sticks his tongue out. He's got a forked tongue. And I'm so stupid that, like, later on I put together, like, oh, this dude did, like, a scarification thing. He went to a shop and got that put on him. But he's like, he wasn't prepared. I guess he thought, like, I was gonna say, like, oh, that's cool, or something like that or whatever. But when I asked him how it happened, he actually seemed like he was not prepared for that sort of thing. And when you asked, he didn't want.

[Matt]

To talk to me. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

When you said, why'd you do that? He was, like, not prepared for that sort of a question. So that's. That's the thing that you have. Like, I don't have that. I go, don't care. Actually, not interested. But you are interested. But you're interested in a more philosophical thing of, like, why dog boxes were.

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[Top Lobster]

Like, why did you do that?

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, you don't even know what's going to set people off. Like, I wouldn't even think that. That's a weird question. I'd be like, so what made you do that? And they'd be like, who am I? You know, they like, their whole identity fractures. And so what I would do is I started trying to be, like, pumped about that people were doing, and it didn't even help. Like, in that situation, I'd be like, oh, dude, this guy loves Halloween, man. Tell everybody how much you like. Like, I try to make it sound cool, but it would be even more condescending.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you can't. You can't hide it. I don't know, man.

[Owen Benjamin]

There's no point in hiding it. I'd be like, that.

[Top Lobster]

I don't. Like.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, that's intense. I'd probably just be like, that's intense.

[Top Lobster]

That might be what he's looking for. He's like, yeah, that's it, dude. Yeah, I guess I don't like confrontation. It's not that I don't like confrontation. I. I've had a life full of that. I just don't think. It's, like, I don't feel the compulsion, and thank God some people do. I'm not one of them, to, like, start dragging somebody's shit out into the light. And when I see, like, guys like you, Owen, or guys like you, Top, like, you do a lot of that, you. You grab a thing and you start dragging it out.

[Matt]

Like, what do you mean by that? Like, if you're gonna say, say this or be like this in real life or online, I'm going to say what.

[Top Lobster]

Explain yourself. It's important, though, because we're talking about, like, a nick for them.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, it's literally, I, like, do this to help people. In my head, I'm like, oh, dude, this is. This guy really needs to talk about this. Like, he's. You know, it's like. But in their head, they're like, oh, everyone sees me. And then they, like, slither. And then they, like, try and get you kicked off PayPal. It's like. And, dude, the people like that you do this. It's why you have support. Because, like, dude, do you ever have those talks with, like, someone close to you? And it's intense, but then after, it's like, everything's better.

[Top Lobster]

See, no top does that. You've told me stories. I'm a piece of. I don't do that. I go, not my job to fix you. I've got my own that I need to fix.

[Owen Benjamin]

You're wearing denim. Like, denim is like.

[Top Lobster]

It could be the denim. I think it lowers my frequency.

[Matt]

The conversation that I've had with him, and he's like, no, no, that's going to lead to physical confrontation. I go, no, no, not that.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just saying I've seen. Been subjected to a lot of physical confrontation growing up. Like, I've seen horrifying crap. My thing is, I. I keep looking at myself. I'm like, I got my own to fix. Not responsible for. For fixing your shit. Oh, I think we actually got lost there for a second. No, you can hear us.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I gotcha.

[Matt]

He's taking a long sip.

[Top Lobster]

He just. Yeah, he.

[Owen Benjamin]

Okay, that's.

[Top Lobster]

That's my thing is, like, every time I look to somebody else's thing, I'm like, I know I have character flaws. As soon as I start doing this to somebody else, how long is it until they hold A mirror up to me and I have to take. You know, So I just go, it's none of my business. I've got my own shit to do.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's not about having flaws. It's about whether or not you won't, like, acknowledge what you are. Like, if that guy was like, yeah, man, I just really thought it looked cool. I'd be like, nice. Like, I wouldn't even be like, like, judgy. I'd be judging. Like, why? Why'd you do that? If he's like, man, I love Dungeons and Dragons. I know it's a little gay, but sometimes it, like, fest like this and it's kind of funny. I don't know. I go back and forth. I'd be like, cool. Like, I wouldn't be like, no, how dare you? I'd just be like, what a. What a. What an intense choice.

[Matt]

Yeah, I would love to meet. I'd love to meet people like that. Like, if he made that decision and stuck by it and that was his thing, I'd be like, there are people like that. I think that that's cool.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, totally.

[Owen Benjamin]

With tons of tats. And he's like, I'm so pissed I did this. I have tats all over my body. I'm like, I. I hold no judgment, you know?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

I actually respect that. I'm like, yeah. I feel like a lot of people think that. They just don't say it. So. Good for you.

[Matt]

Oh, and I wanna. I wanna ask you something because I. I want to also want to respect your time here. We're coming up on two hours.

[Top Lobster]

Don't forget we have one final question. Very important.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah, yeah. But cool. As you like, I were in the stage where the wizard has sort of, like, revealed himself. Yeah, in a way.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And so. So we're all looking at him.

[Top Lobster]

He's got his trench coat open, his wieners hanging out.

[Matt]

Even the normal people are looking at the wizard and I, but they don't quite know what to make of it. They. I don't think they can accurately call him a wizard yet, but they're looking at him like, who the fuck is that guy?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

As he reveals himself, do you think that, like, we're in, like, a time of danger? Like, is this like, when, you know, an animal is caged or cornered?

[Top Lobster]

Good question.

[Matt]

Should we be worried about, like, the physical ramifications? I mean, like, on the heels of the Charlie Kirk thing, which is. I don't even know if that pertains, but, like, how does a wizard react? How Does a wizard fizzle out throughout history?

[Top Lobster]

Does he go out kicking and screaming or.

[Owen Benjamin]

Great question.

[Matt]

I mean, the wizard. Me.

[Owen Benjamin]

The wizard has to function on perception. So the worst place you can be is around people doing wizardry. So that's why being open about this is actually like a huge defense, because. Yeah, I mean, when the wizards cornered, chick gets nutty, you know, but, like, so what are they capable of? The wizard is only capable of people that have chosen to be under their spell. So the more you are yourself, the more you're not surrounded by that. Like, take Charlie Kirk. He was surrounded by vipers, you know, so it's like he. I mean, he was given, like, a billion dollars from the people that, like, fund war, you know? And so if he's talking in a group chat, I mean, that's like being in the. That's literally like being in a cartel in Mexico times a thousand. It's like, that's. Those guys are super dangerous. But it's usually like. It's always like, the most gang violence is internal, and with other gangs, it's like, not.

[Matt]

You know, Matt was a. Sorry to cut you off, but Matt was upset with me when we. We were live when the assassination happened. Oh, yeah? Yeah. And the first thing I said, it's the same thing with the guy with the tattoo. Where I'm looking, I'm like, why'd you do that? We see Charlie Kirk get assassinated, and we're like, I don't know what to think about it. But then I go, hey, man, this guy was surrounded by this. Pretty much the same thing. I mean, it's bad timing. I will say it's bad timing, because it was right after. And I was like, is there ever.

[Top Lobster]

Bad timing for the truth, though?

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah, there is. We're not gonna hear it, though.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think it's all good. Oh, that's a good point. If your objective is more people hearing it, yeah, there is timing.

[Matt]

But I was just like, hey, it's something that I learned being around here. Like, because now you're talking to people who are awake in, you know, in this area, but still there are levels. And I was just like, he was taking money from a lot of these people, and he was surrounded by this. And how much did he know and how much did he. How much did he agree to? Do he consent to? I don't know. But then this happens, and it's like, man, it's horrific. And they're like, just died. His body's not even cold yet. And then you're given his eulogy like this. And I was like, I'm just being realistic because they're gonna deify him. And the realities is like, he was surrounded by vipers, and I think he knew it. And then at some point, he wanted out. And it's like, you just don't get out.

[Owen Benjamin]

You don't get out of that. Get out like that. I mean, he got out. And, like, I think he got out in a way that speaks well for his character, you know? And I. I think he's probably doing good, you know, because that's like. When you're in that position, like, how do you get out? It's like. Like, in my position, it was like they took back the. The name and prestige they gave me, which is fine. It's like, all debts are repaid. And I wasn't aware of what was happening. So I think that goes a long way. But the position those guys are in is. Is pretty dark, you know? And so the wizard gets paranoid and starts, like, in eating where the. Their biggest threat is around them. Like, especially when you're one of these empty vessel types that's doing, like, if you became the guy where it's like, finally someone's willing to admit that they are dumb, you know, like, those guys around you are your biggest threat because they want power. So power is, like, seeking power. And so the biggest. I mean, the gulags in. In Russia were filled with communists. They were filled with, like, those guys. They eat their way up. It's like the Joker in the Dark Knight where each clown kills the next layer, you know, so the best place to be is just yourself doing a service for other people that they appreciate, because you're not in the game, you know, so that's what I see. I think. And the end of the day, the wizard doesn't have power any more than, like, a vacuum salesman. If you don't want to buy, like the Federal Reserve, people still want it. They want liquid money with no effort. You know, Blockbuster had tons of Jews and billions of dollars surrounded by it. And people were like, yeah, we don't want to have to go all the way. And it was gone in, like, a week. Because it's like our will is the whole engine in the realm. It's like, where, like, what we focus on, what we want, what we do, what we say, who we are. And so in the end of the day, the wizard is always just trying to get us to accept something that is not true. And the, you know, the most protection you have is to not do that, you know, It's. There's no way to. To reason with them. Like, you can't play ball to fight the big wars, because the more you play ball, the more you're inside the very thing where then there's no way you can fight that war. The best way to fight the war is just encourage people to not want that war, you know.

[Matt]

Talking to you. Dave Smith.

[Top Lobster]

I reject the premise.

[Owen Benjamin]

How's that dude doing?

[Matt]

I think he's doing good.

[Top Lobster]

He's just out there rejecting.

[Matt]

I just think he's. Yeah, I think he's a little too close to it. Like. Like.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like you're describing super close to it. I mean, it's like him debating at that Charlie Kirk event, and then Charlie Kirk gets fucking whacked right after. It's like. Like, that's intense, bro.

[Matt]

Yeah, I texted him and I'm like, yo, dude, I. I had told him way before when he was thinking about running for president, and he probably is like, this guy's a dumb spick, and he's right. But I was like, hey, man, you got kids. You got a beautiful family. You got, like, great comedy career, like, presidency.

[Owen Benjamin]

And everyone else, imagine being like, I'm gonna be the head of the blood, so I can shut it down. Like, what?

[Top Lobster]

Meanwhile, you have, like, a beautiful life, and you're like, I think this is what I'm even.

[Matt]

But even so, like, I guess a small step back is just like political punditry. And I'm like, even. That's too close, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

Too close. I think it's also gay.

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[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I mean, if it's your thing. I know I'm biased. It's a little.

[Matt]

I like. I like Dave Smith, man. I worry about it because I'm like. I see how close. Like, I like lots of YouTube.

[Owen Benjamin]

Last time I saw him in person, which was so long ago, but, like, I don't like my perception of him, and I don't know how much of that is real or not. Yeah, I was in person with him. I liked him, but, like, I don't know. Ever since, there's. I think I don't like him now very much, but I hope he's cool.

[Top Lobster]

You know, I. I'm just frustrated with the guy. I tried to talk to him about God and he Wouldn't. It was a non starter.

[Matt]

Nah, he's a solid. He's a good dude. It's just, I think, you know, online and when you don't get to, like, have meaningful dialogue with somebody face to face.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You're gonna get a little cloud. It gets weird.

[Owen Benjamin]

A little bit of a cloud guy too, though. He's like, all about these, like, big shows and he doesn't tell the cool stories that aren't associated with the big lights, you know? And I always think that's gay. It's like, might as well just get on your knees and blow a guy at that point.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he uses a lot of, like, debate language, too. And I find that real gay wizard I don't like. Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Black guy, I thought actually kind of won in the debate. I know that. I see. I don't do that on Twitter anymore. Like, especially when there's someone I kind of think is okay. Like, I thought that the black guy did a better job. I just don't want to all. It's like you. I don't want to always fight everything. So I'm just like, you know, when we're an hour and a half into a Patreon episode, I'll discuss. But, like, I'm not just going to constantly talk shit. But that calm black dude I thought did a pretty good job. Like. Like, David bring something up and he would actually know the thing about it. And then David be like, oh, okay. I'm just like, dude, you know? Well, I remember that. What do you guys think of the black guy thing?

[Top Lobster]

When Dave, I was hoping that you would know the black guy.

[Matt]

I watched a little bit of it. I couldn't get the black guy.

[Top Lobster]

I don't even know then Billy Carson.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, no, his name was Coleman. Yeah, he's like, not like Officer fucking Chill. Not that guy I'm talking about. This guy was legitimately really smart. And I was like, man. Like, that was. That guy did a good job against Dave. And Dave was like, well, I saw the memo with General Wesley Clark. But then it turned out he didn't see the memo and that they just do memos all the time. And it's just like, just a bunch of facts where I'm like, huh, interesting. And I used to, you know, I. I knew General. Like, I hung out all night drinking and playing Beatles with General Wasa Clark and his family. Like, it's like. Like, it's funny how these people, like, I used to be in that world so intensely. But I was the joker clown that I think I Kind of left without having to play the game, you know.

[Top Lobster]

That's nice. That's the way to be.

[Matt]

So that. That thing that he had with with Dave Smith, where he's. Dave Smith? Yeah. There was a memo with Wesley Clark. He's like, have you seen it? Well, no. And it's like a rumored memo, but I think the fact still stands. It was like, if the memo said that you were going to invade eight countries in this many years, and then you did it.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

So it was a little bit of like. The dude was very calm and Dave was flustered because now Dave has to.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

He has to defend conspiracy almost. And. And he doesn't like to delve in that realm.

[Top Lobster]

It's like the thing too, though, in. In debate. Once you get flustered, like, yeah, gotcha. You got guy.

[Matt]

You're convincing the audience. But it's also just very gay too.

[Owen Benjamin]

Is be like, well, the wars are to prop up the dollar that need. In order to get your 401k. So, like, how deep into Idaho are we willing to take this thing? And that's where I got where I'm like, what is Israel? Like, what are the. You know, like, what are the basic. What do they call it? The. The first principles? Like, when you think about, like, Aristotle and debate or whatever, the first principles are like, well, what is Israel? Is it a place? Is it a people? Or is it like a narrative engine that allows America to bomb anybody that wants to compete with the dollar? Because without global dominance with the dollar, you can't just keep pumping yourself with cheap Chinese shit and fucking watch the stock market go up every year, which is unnatural in nature. That's only cancer. So it's like, are you ready to take the fucking heat where you're growing pears or not? Because if not, it's like you're cutting off a branch you're standing on, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Well, then it'd be. That's. You're like, now playing the game of politics instead of doing anything in your actual life, right?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like, oh, we give $7 billion a year to Israel. It's like, what is a dollar? And that's when they call me a cult leader. I'm like, my. My wife, we homeschool. They want a sticker. They want a sticker, and they'll do stuff for any sticker if we, like, show that it has value. Now imagine if one of my kids mugged me and took the gold stars. That's dollars. They don't have any value outside of the Narrative and the perception. So what does Israel do? Israel gets all the neocon boomer types to be like, no, we're not killing the gold standard guy in Iraq, or, like, the guy in North Africa that's teaching everyone how to read and get in primary water. We're setting the place for Jesus to return. Well, the good news is my Google account is going up too, though. But that's a side note. And that's all it is. So when I see these people screaming, I'm like, are you willing to accept that your house won't be worth 1.2 million? It'll be worth 300,000. Is that good enough? They're like, dude, that's why Covid was the great revealer. Watch everything just go down a little. And it's like the dildo flying through the air. It's like, give me peace. Give me peace. And then the hypnotism is like that. And now I think we're at the stage of hypnotism where they're going to want to actually take out some J's with Fuentes, you know, where it's like, oh, no, the guy at the deli, he's your problem because he's wearing a little hat. It's like, no, the problem is your actions. You blame women for not getting married, you little pud.

[Top Lobster]

If everybody just detached for a little bit, too, you would realize, like, your problems still exist. And then they're like, pretty much because of you. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, if you turn off the Internet, if you turn off the TV and you get rid of this perception that it's the Jews or it's, you know, the state of Israel, it's this or that or the other thing. Turn it all off. Sit in your house without any sort of, you know, influence from the Internet or whatever for like a month or so, and you'll find that the things that, like, you know, ailed you, maybe they've been alleviated to. To some degree that might just because you're spending so much time on the Internet and your psychology is all twisted, but if you had real problems, you would find they still exist. And they're probably because you've made a bunch of stupid fucking decisions.

[Matt]

Well, yeah, I mean, it just happened with me and my wife. Little private. My wife, my wife. But yeah, it's like, you know, kids are giving us a hard time, and we're like, these kids? And I was like, you know, now we're fighting. And then I go, hold on a second. Like, we're not doing what we're supposed to do. You're doing this and I'm doing this. And it's like, that sucks because now we actually have to fix it. We can't just blame.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know, dude. Honestly, I think probably when it comes to that specific thing, I, I think it's a bad example because I think that one is the Jews. Oh, probably, probably is the Jews.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I think that's why I'm into child labor. Just hear me out and then we'll end the planes.

[Top Lobster]

No.

[Owen Benjamin]

A lot of kids, certain ways because they, they aren't given enough tasks and like work. Dude, I got a five year old making winter hats. Oh, how dare you. When they're not like that, they just cause, they can cause problems. They, they need jobs and they need to like expel energy outside. And that's, that's usually the problem with it, with child behavior.

[Top Lobster]

I, I want to ask you one final question.

[Owen Benjamin]

For profit. I mean, that doesn't make you a Jew. Anyway, go on.

[Top Lobster]

I was, I was hoping that you were going to sell the. It's all profit. This is a question, Owen, that we've begun to ask at the end of every episode. And this isn't necessarily pertaining to our conversation here, although to toss it in there too, that's fine. But in everything that you're doing, in all of your pursuits and, and you know, you in particular, the life that you've carved out for yourself, are you having fun?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes. Yes. Yeah, like, that's, yeah, like I'm having a blast. To the point where, like, when I stop to think about it, I can't believe I get to do this for a life. It's like, almost feels like a reward.

[Top Lobster]

We've asked one dude that one time and he said no. He looked at us and he was like, fun. And that guy was like, entrenched in like, you know, what the CIA is doing and, and I got the documents and all this and, and I'm like, I like that guy a lot. But I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Matt]

I think Ian Carol's having fun.

[Top Lobster]

I think he is. You don't have a mustache like that and not have fun if you're not having fun and you have a mustache.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I mean, I feel like he's having fun with some, some dicks. Well, you know, I think him and Candace are doing a good job because that, that the fact they're actually covering something besides the obvious lie. I'm like, I give them respect for that.

[Top Lobster]

People are Mad at Candace for talking about like reptilians. I'm like, that's fun. Can we talk about reptile people? That's a nice. That's a nice departure from, you know, the state of Israel. I think it's that and it's really. It's synonymous. It's a redundancy. But still, you know, it's a lot of fun to talk about those kinds of crazy things. I'm not mad at her for talking. I'm glad you're having fun though.

[Owen Benjamin]

And like, it does. It looks a little scaly sometimes.

[Top Lobster]

It does look a little. It just could be a moisturizer issue. They need to, you know, give out the book and just buy oil of.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oy vey is to hide the skin of the lizard. And that's why I'm quick.

[Top Lobster]

Somebody needs to make oil of Oyve.

[Matt]

That's a banger. Oh, and tell the people again where they can find you so they can go and support you over there.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oilofoy.com can become a super chat. Ladle TV is 9.11 cents a month. As you can see. That's the how to say wizard. And I also have all my why didn't they laughs there? Over 2,000. The cartoons, like everything I've ever done. Pretty much it's like the. The Smithsonian and. Yeah. And so I'm on Rumble. I'm gonna do a stream today at what time? 1pm Pacific Standard Time. And also unauthorized TV and courses.owenbenjamin.com if you want to learn piano.

[Matt]

Oh, that's right. I keep forgetting. I gotta. I gotta get my kids on that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, it's family friendly too. And it's like, like it's covers a lot of interesting about music because the vibratory aspect of music is it gets intense. It fractals up.

[Top Lobster]

Yes. Yes. Yeah, that's a. That's top.

[Matt]

Don't get me started. Don't get me started, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

I mean, that's all I. Have you seen that dude, Jacob Collier do the orchestra where the. Or the. The people become a choir. Have you ever seen that?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

No.

[Top Lobster]

He walks up to the edge of the stage and he starts like just going like the crowd.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And it gets so awesome because like that, like the Gregorian Chance used to only do human voices because like the instrument would set a tone versus like trying to figure out what the tone is. And dude, a whole mass of people just naturally start finding the tone and it becomes insane. It like gives me goosebumps.

[Top Lobster]

But anyway, very fast. Very fast. Like, he starts running back and forth and he'll. He'll control one side of the crowd and they'll immediately adjust in real time.

[Owen Benjamin]

Up and down. He's just up and down. That's what the old, old music staffs used to be. It would just be like up, down. It wasn't like all these notes and people would just find it and it's just like. It's really cool to think about that. Anyway, well, thanks for having me, guys. I've been. I've been here a while.

[Top Lobster]

Thank you, Owen. It's always good talking to you, brother. Yeah, man.

[Matt]

Thank you. Great talking to you guys. Great show. Until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later.

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