Nephilim Death Squad: "Slaying The Wizard" w/ Owen Benjamin

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad by TopLobsta Productions
Episode Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta (David Lee Corbo AKA the Raven), Matt (co-host, referenced), and occasional comments from "Raven"
Guest: Owen Benjamin

Episode Overview

This episode delves deep into the notion of “wizardry” in contemporary society—how perception is shaped (and weaponized) by media, institutions, and cultural gatekeepers, and what it means to “slay the wizard.” Owen Benjamin, comedian, independent thinker, and self-described "exiled" public figure, joins TopLobsta and Matt to critique societal narrative control. The discussion weaves through spirituality, the dangers of externalizing authority, the fine line between community and cult, conspiracies, Biblical worldviews, the psychology of manipulation, and personal accountability.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "What Do You Do?"—Living Without External Titles

[03:30] Owen Benjamin on Identity & Changing Careers:
Describes his transition from Hollywood comedian to farmer, writer, pianist, and independent content creator, highlighting the unpredictability and freedom of not having a fixed role.

"I don't really have a job title. I do all kinds of weird. You want to learn like that though?" — Owen Benjamin [03:30]
[04:21] On Modern Livelihood:
The trio jokes about the absurdity of explaining modern, self-made careers to outsiders, the chaos of freelancing, and navigating banned payment platforms.

2. The USPS, Value Exchange, and American Freedom

[07:51] Owen Benjamin on the Post Office:
He frames the post office as a bastion of unmediated exchange and American spirit, immune (to an extent) to institutional control.

"The thing that makes America great is the post office, because all parcels, you can just send it to another human being without any oversight." — Owen Benjamin [08:05]

3. Wizardry, Perception, and Spiritual Spellcasting

[09:47] What is a Wizard in Modern Society:
Discussion veers to the concept of 'wizards'—individuals or institutions who manipulate perception through narrative, echo chambers, and induced fear.

"If you can control the general perception of a thing, then you could effectively cast a spell and change reality, or at least the way that it's perceived." — TopLobsta [10:25]
[11:11] The Devil’s Playbook:
Owen’s forthcoming book, “How to Slay a Wizard," aims to expose manipulation playbooks, whether spiritual (the Devil) or institutional.

"All they can do is get you to choose something that goes against your interests... The devil can't make you do it." — Owen Benjamin [11:11]

4. Fear Campaigns, Media, and Inversion

[14:31] Manufactured Disasters and Distraction:
They mock the recurring cycles of doomsday narratives (e.g., asteroids, 3I Atlas, drone/UFO panics), observing how media primes society for crisis, instigates fear, and solicits compliance (often for increased funding or political power).

"It's always hidden because alchemy is just baking bread...Wizardry relies on the ignorance of the target and they won't let you know. And as soon as you know, then the wizardry doesn't work." — Owen Benjamin [29:45]
[16:18] The State of EBT and Inverted Health:
The hosts reflect on the paradox of welfare/EBT users being unhealthier, not hungrier, and how the system's incentives are upside-down.

5. The Science Wizard: Satire of Modern Expertise

[25:55] Satirizing Scientific Authority:
Through stories of early astronomers and modern experts, they mock the circular reasoning and unchallengeable claims (“the bone”, time-lapse photos as proof of doom), exposing “science wizardry.”

"How do you know how old this fossil is?...That's circular reasoning. They're like, oh, how dare you. You're a failed comedian." — Owen Benjamin [25:55]
[27:43] Mountain Giants & Pop Science:
They riff on conspiracy lore—are mountains dead giants?—and mock the sanctity of pop-science authority.

6. Spellcasting, Hypnosis, and Vulnerability

[32:03] Susceptibility to Fear and Control:
The group connects hypnosis and spellcasting, emphasizing that fear, exhaustion, and desire make people malleable to external influence.

"If they're doing the wizardry right...it's like fear. It's a fear based wizardry. They want you to perceive fear. It gets you in this state where you're easily manipulated... it's a little Hegelian dialectic..." — TopLobsta [31:34]
[34:44] Accountability & The Scapegoat:
Owen relates how hypnotists, intoxicants, or emotionally charged narratives allow people to indulge desires without guilt by providing a “permission slip.”

"They've given a reason to do it...like this guy's allowing them to do it based on this narrative." — Owen Benjamin [33:08]

7. Spirit vs. Flesh: The Biblical Frame

[35:25] Galatians and Inner Struggle:
Biblical references frame the conflict between higher spiritual aspirations and the base desires of the flesh, relating directly to self-control, gluttony, and "dad bod" rationalizations.

"A spell is dad bod, where you're like, oh, it's fine. I can be a fat. I can have a dad bod. Because, like, you can be. You can have gluttony." — Owen Benjamin [37:04]

8. Access, Community, and The Cult Accusation

[57:13] Community vs. Wizards/Cult Leaders:
They discuss accusations against Owen as a cult leader, comparing authentic community-building with top-down, manipulative followings.

"If Owen is now breaking down, he's breaking your existence, your power structure too. And he's building something different here. You have to then accuse him of what you're actually a part of." — Matt [57:32] “What I’m doing is the opposite of a cult. People get mad that I’m not a cult leader...I’m like: 'I don’t know, I’m trying to figure that out.'” — Owen Benjamin [95:40]
[82:08] Community, Scaling, & Authenticity:
Owen describes how genuine communities reach their natural scale, advocating for quality over quantity, and resisting wizard-style audience manipulation.

9. Externalization of Authority & Personal Responsibility

[44:23] Who Do You Blame?
The wizard's power relies on people externalizing responsibility. Juror selection as a metaphor: do you blame germs/kids for getting sick, or recognize your own behavior?

“If you want someone to pay $100 million for getting burned by coffee, it's like you want the guy that blames the kid on the bus for the cold.” — Owen Benjamin [44:23]
[124:44] Blaming Others vs. Self-Reflection:
The trio insists that personal problems usually stem from oneself, not from external groups (Jews, women, government, etc.), calling out “race warriors” and those seeking scapegoats.

10. Revelation of the Wizard and the Dangers Therein

[112:00] What Happens When the Wizard Is Seen?
As society wakes up to manipulations, Owen warns that those most deeply invested in the wizard system become paranoid or dangerous—especially when “cornered.”

"The wizard is only capable of people that have chosen to be under their spell. So the more you are yourself, the more you're not surrounded by that... their biggest threat is around them." — Owen Benjamin [112:52]

"If you're trying to fight the war, the best way is just encourage people to not want that war." — Owen Benjamin [117:34]

11. Music, Ritual, Community, and Spiritual Filling

[128:22] The Power of Music and Vibrations:
Owen closes by discussing his music courses, expressing awe at communal music-making and its spiritual resonance, pointing to the vibrational roots of collective harmony.

Notable Quotes & Moments

On ‘Wizardry’ and Narrative Control:

"Broadcasting. Okay, what are you casting? Like, you know, spells. It's called spelling. You know what I mean? It's like cursive." — Owen Benjamin [51:23]

On Institutional Indoctrination:

"...Look at what you get when you graduate. You put a square on your fucking head and you wear a robe and it's nonsense." — Owen Benjamin [51:57]

On the Annoying Resilience of Disaster Narratives:

"...Six months ago there was a fucking asteroid gonna take out the world. Then people just, Yep. They forget. It's like they forget and then they go on to the next thing because they just want that." — Owen Benjamin [54:58]

On the Accusations of Cultism:

"I'm a 6 foot 8, blue eyed, uncircumcised dude on the ADL hit list. Like, if I'm a Jew, then they don't exist." — Owen Benjamin [59:15]

On War, Power, and Geopolitical Narratives:

"Well, what is Israel? Is it a place? Is it a people? Or is it like a narrative engine that allows America to bomb anybody that wants to compete with the dollar?" — Owen Benjamin [122:18]

On the Fundamental Solution:

"Our will is the whole engine in the realm. It's like, where, like, what we focus on, what we want, what we do, what we say, who we are. And so in the end of the day, the wizard is always just trying to get us to accept something that is not true. And... the most protection you have is to not do that." — Owen Benjamin [116:00]

On Fun and Joy Amidst the Chaos:

"Are you having fun? Yes. Yes. Yeah, like, that’s, yeah, like I’m having a blast. To the point where, like, when I stop to think about it, I can't believe I get to do this for a life." — Owen Benjamin [126:44]

Key Timestamps & Segments

[03:30] – Owen’s journey from Hollywood to self-sustaining farm life & podcasting
[07:51] – The US Post Office & American liberty
[09:47] – What is a wizard? The mechanics of narrative spellcasting
[16:18] – SNAP/EBT, diet, inversion of state support
[25:55] – Satirical analysis of science & “the bones”
[31:34] – Fear, spellcasting, hypnotic states
[35:25] – Galatians, the spirit vs. flesh
[57:13] – The accusation of ‘cult leader’ and authenticity of community
[82:08] – Community scaling, authenticity, and natural limits
[112:00] – Revealing the wizard, collective perception, & self-defense
[126:44] – “Are you having fun?” – The essential check-in

Tone & Language

Conversational, irreverent, skeptical, and often comedic.
Emphasis on playful banter, direct challenges, and sometimes crude/edgy humor.
Frequent use of satire and colloquial analogies.

Conclusion

This densely packed episode offers a lively, sometimes wild, but ultimately thoughtful critique of modern power structures—be they media wizards, political cults, or scientific “experts.” Grounded in Biblical wisdom and independence, the hosts and Owen Benjamin challenge listeners to do the hard work of personal discernment: stay vigilant against fear campaigns, take responsibility for your own life, resist the urge to externalize blame, and shape your reality through honest community, self-work, and faith rather than seeking external validation or scapegoats. The takeaway: Slaying the wizard is mostly an inside job—and you can have a lot of fun along the way.

For the highlights at a glance, click through at these key moments:

[09:47] Modern wizards, spellcasting, & narrative control
[25:55] Satirizing scientific expertise & the limits of perception
[44:23] Externalizing blame vs. personal accountability
[57:13+82:08] Cults, authentic communities, and why real influence is not about numbers
[112:00] The dangers (and limits) of the wizard, and the ultimate solution
[126:44] The fun question—why joy is essential to resisting manipulation.

Nephilim Death Squad: "Slaying The Wizard" w/ Owen Benjamin

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "What Do You Do?"—Living Without External Titles

[03:30] Owen Benjamin on Identity & Changing Careers:
Describes his transition from Hollywood comedian to farmer, writer, pianist, and independent content creator, highlighting the unpredictability and freedom of not having a fixed role.

"I don't really have a job title. I do all kinds of weird. You want to learn like that though?" — Owen Benjamin [03:30]
[04:21] On Modern Livelihood:
The trio jokes about the absurdity of explaining modern, self-made careers to outsiders, the chaos of freelancing, and navigating banned payment platforms.

2. The USPS, Value Exchange, and American Freedom

[07:51] Owen Benjamin on the Post Office:
He frames the post office as a bastion of unmediated exchange and American spirit, immune (to an extent) to institutional control.

"The thing that makes America great is the post office, because all parcels, you can just send it to another human being without any oversight." — Owen Benjamin [08:05]

3. Wizardry, Perception, and Spiritual Spellcasting

[09:47] What is a Wizard in Modern Society:
Discussion veers to the concept of 'wizards'—individuals or institutions who manipulate perception through narrative, echo chambers, and induced fear.

"If you can control the general perception of a thing, then you could effectively cast a spell and change reality, or at least the way that it's perceived." — TopLobsta [10:25]
[11:11] The Devil’s Playbook:
Owen’s forthcoming book, “How to Slay a Wizard," aims to expose manipulation playbooks, whether spiritual (the Devil) or institutional.

"All they can do is get you to choose something that goes against your interests... The devil can't make you do it." — Owen Benjamin [11:11]

4. Fear Campaigns, Media, and Inversion

[14:31] Manufactured Disasters and Distraction:
They mock the recurring cycles of doomsday narratives (e.g., asteroids, 3I Atlas, drone/UFO panics), observing how media primes society for crisis, instigates fear, and solicits compliance (often for increased funding or political power).

"It's always hidden because alchemy is just baking bread...Wizardry relies on the ignorance of the target and they won't let you know. And as soon as you know, then the wizardry doesn't work." — Owen Benjamin [29:45]
[16:18] The State of EBT and Inverted Health:
The hosts reflect on the paradox of welfare/EBT users being unhealthier, not hungrier, and how the system's incentives are upside-down.

5. The Science Wizard: Satire of Modern Expertise

[25:55] Satirizing Scientific Authority:
Through stories of early astronomers and modern experts, they mock the circular reasoning and unchallengeable claims (“the bone”, time-lapse photos as proof of doom), exposing “science wizardry.”

"How do you know how old this fossil is?...That's circular reasoning. They're like, oh, how dare you. You're a failed comedian." — Owen Benjamin [25:55]
[27:43] Mountain Giants & Pop Science:
They riff on conspiracy lore—are mountains dead giants?—and mock the sanctity of pop-science authority.

6. Spellcasting, Hypnosis, and Vulnerability

[32:03] Susceptibility to Fear and Control:
The group connects hypnosis and spellcasting, emphasizing that fear, exhaustion, and desire make people malleable to external influence.

"If they're doing the wizardry right...it's like fear. It's a fear based wizardry. They want you to perceive fear. It gets you in this state where you're easily manipulated... it's a little Hegelian dialectic..." — TopLobsta [31:34]
[34:44] Accountability & The Scapegoat:
Owen relates how hypnotists, intoxicants, or emotionally charged narratives allow people to indulge desires without guilt by providing a “permission slip.”

"They've given a reason to do it...like this guy's allowing them to do it based on this narrative." — Owen Benjamin [33:08]

7. Spirit vs. Flesh: The Biblical Frame

[35:25] Galatians and Inner Struggle:
Biblical references frame the conflict between higher spiritual aspirations and the base desires of the flesh, relating directly to self-control, gluttony, and "dad bod" rationalizations.

"A spell is dad bod, where you're like, oh, it's fine. I can be a fat. I can have a dad bod. Because, like, you can be. You can have gluttony." — Owen Benjamin [37:04]

8. Access, Community, and The Cult Accusation

[57:13] Community vs. Wizards/Cult Leaders:
They discuss accusations against Owen as a cult leader, comparing authentic community-building with top-down, manipulative followings.

"If Owen is now breaking down, he's breaking your existence, your power structure too. And he's building something different here. You have to then accuse him of what you're actually a part of." — Matt [57:32] “What I’m doing is the opposite of a cult. People get mad that I’m not a cult leader...I’m like: 'I don’t know, I’m trying to figure that out.'” — Owen Benjamin [95:40]
[82:08] Community, Scaling, & Authenticity:
Owen describes how genuine communities reach their natural scale, advocating for quality over quantity, and resisting wizard-style audience manipulation.

9. Externalization of Authority & Personal Responsibility

[44:23] Who Do You Blame?
The wizard's power relies on people externalizing responsibility. Juror selection as a metaphor: do you blame germs/kids for getting sick, or recognize your own behavior?

“If you want someone to pay $100 million for getting burned by coffee, it's like you want the guy that blames the kid on the bus for the cold.” — Owen Benjamin [44:23]
[124:44] Blaming Others vs. Self-Reflection:
The trio insists that personal problems usually stem from oneself, not from external groups (Jews, women, government, etc.), calling out “race warriors” and those seeking scapegoats.

10. Revelation of the Wizard and the Dangers Therein

[112:00] What Happens When the Wizard Is Seen?
As society wakes up to manipulations, Owen warns that those most deeply invested in the wizard system become paranoid or dangerous—especially when “cornered.”

"The wizard is only capable of people that have chosen to be under their spell. So the more you are yourself, the more you're not surrounded by that... their biggest threat is around them." — Owen Benjamin [112:52]

"If you're trying to fight the war, the best way is just encourage people to not want that war." — Owen Benjamin [117:34]

11. Music, Ritual, Community, and Spiritual Filling

[128:22] The Power of Music and Vibrations:
Owen closes by discussing his music courses, expressing awe at communal music-making and its spiritual resonance, pointing to the vibrational roots of collective harmony.

Notable Quotes & Moments

On ‘Wizardry’ and Narrative Control:

"Broadcasting. Okay, what are you casting? Like, you know, spells. It's called spelling. You know what I mean? It's like cursive." — Owen Benjamin [51:23]

On Institutional Indoctrination:

"...Look at what you get when you graduate. You put a square on your fucking head and you wear a robe and it's nonsense." — Owen Benjamin [51:57]

On the Annoying Resilience of Disaster Narratives:

"...Six months ago there was a fucking asteroid gonna take out the world. Then people just, Yep. They forget. It's like they forget and then they go on to the next thing because they just want that." — Owen Benjamin [54:58]

On the Accusations of Cultism:

"I'm a 6 foot 8, blue eyed, uncircumcised dude on the ADL hit list. Like, if I'm a Jew, then they don't exist." — Owen Benjamin [59:15]

On War, Power, and Geopolitical Narratives:

"Well, what is Israel? Is it a place? Is it a people? Or is it like a narrative engine that allows America to bomb anybody that wants to compete with the dollar?" — Owen Benjamin [122:18]

On the Fundamental Solution:

"Our will is the whole engine in the realm. It's like, where, like, what we focus on, what we want, what we do, what we say, who we are. And so in the end of the day, the wizard is always just trying to get us to accept something that is not true. And... the most protection you have is to not do that." — Owen Benjamin [116:00]

On Fun and Joy Amidst the Chaos:

"Are you having fun? Yes. Yes. Yeah, like, that’s, yeah, like I’m having a blast. To the point where, like, when I stop to think about it, I can't believe I get to do this for a life." — Owen Benjamin [126:44]

Key Timestamps & Segments

[03:30] – Owen’s journey from Hollywood to self-sustaining farm life & podcasting
[07:51] – The US Post Office & American liberty
[09:47] – What is a wizard? The mechanics of narrative spellcasting
[16:18] – SNAP/EBT, diet, inversion of state support
[25:55] – Satirical analysis of science & “the bones”
[31:34] – Fear, spellcasting, hypnotic states
[35:25] – Galatians, the spirit vs. flesh
[57:13] – The accusation of ‘cult leader’ and authenticity of community
[82:08] – Community scaling, authenticity, and natural limits
[112:00] – Revealing the wizard, collective perception, & self-defense
[126:44] – “Are you having fun?” – The essential check-in

Tone & Language

Conversational, irreverent, skeptical, and often comedic.
Emphasis on playful banter, direct challenges, and sometimes crude/edgy humor.
Frequent use of satire and colloquial analogies.

Conclusion

For the highlights at a glance, click through at these key moments:

[09:47] Modern wizards, spellcasting, & narrative control
[25:55] Satirizing scientific expertise & the limits of perception
[44:23] Externalizing blame vs. personal accountability
[57:13+82:08] Cults, authentic communities, and why real influence is not about numbers
[112:00] The dangers (and limits) of the wizard, and the ultimate solution
[126:44] The fun question—why joy is essential to resisting manipulation.

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Slaying The Wizard w/ Owen Benjamin

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: "Slaying The Wizard" w/ Owen Benjamin

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "What Do You Do?"—Living Without External Titles

2. The USPS, Value Exchange, and American Freedom

3. Wizardry, Perception, and Spiritual Spellcasting

4. Fear Campaigns, Media, and Inversion

5. The Science Wizard: Satire of Modern Expertise

6. Spellcasting, Hypnosis, and Vulnerability

7. Spirit vs. Flesh: The Biblical Frame

8. Access, Community, and The Cult Accusation

9. Externalization of Authority & Personal Responsibility

10. Revelation of the Wizard and the Dangers Therein

11. Music, Ritual, Community, and Spiritual Filling

Notable Quotes & Moments

Key Timestamps & Segments

Tone & Language

Conclusion

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: "Slaying The Wizard" w/ Owen Benjamin

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "What Do You Do?"—Living Without External Titles

2. The USPS, Value Exchange, and American Freedom

3. Wizardry, Perception, and Spiritual Spellcasting

4. Fear Campaigns, Media, and Inversion

5. The Science Wizard: Satire of Modern Expertise

6. Spellcasting, Hypnosis, and Vulnerability

7. Spirit vs. Flesh: The Biblical Frame

8. Access, Community, and The Cult Accusation

9. Externalization of Authority & Personal Responsibility

10. Revelation of the Wizard and the Dangers Therein

11. Music, Ritual, Community, and Spiritual Filling

Notable Quotes & Moments

Key Timestamps & Segments

Tone & Language

Conclusion