Nephilim Death Squad Biblical Conspiracy

Episode: "Sons of Seth w/ Pastor Jonathan Shelley"

Date: January 23, 2026
Hosts: TopLobsta (Mr. Nasty), The Raven (David Lee Corbo), Matthew Hepner
Guest: Pastor Jonathan Shelley (Steadfast Baptist Church, Baptist Bias podcast)

Overview

This episode dives into biblical interpretations of controversial moral issues, especially around homosexuality, the rise of Christian nationalism, distinctions between denominational dogmas, and the infamous "Sons of God" passage in Genesis 6. The guest, Pastor Jonathan Shelley, is known for his hardline fundamental Baptist stances and confrontational online presence. The discussion is candid, unfiltered, and at times incendiary, blending deep doctrinal debates with cultural and conspiracy theory commentary.

Key Discussion Points

1. Introduction to Pastor Jonathan Shelley and His Ministry

• Pastor Shelley introduces himself and explains the controversial reputation of Steadfast Baptist Church, especially for strong anti-LGBTQ+ positions.

  "We've been protested a lot... we've pretty kind of infamous for our stances against, you know, fags and lots of different issues." (02:59)

• He emphasizes his willingness to take "unpopular stances" and compares his approach to the infamous Westboro Baptist Church, while highlighting differences:

  "They're like a Calvinist cult... They're just hoping that someone will hit them, punch them, throw stuff at them, and then they just sue them." (04:28)

2. Controversial Preaching, Church Attendance, and Public Perception

• Discussion on the impact of Shelley's preaching and how it affects church growth and protests.
• Shelley claims most of his congregation are drawn by evangelism and King James-Only positions, not just his anti-LGBT messaging.

  "I'm sure we lost a lot of people because of it as well... it's just an important issue to just at least say what the Bible says." (06:17)

3. Shifts in Christian Culture and the “Pendulum Swing”

• Commentary on liberal trends in churches (e.g., openly LGBTQ+ pastors) and reactions from fundamentalist circles.
• Shelley warns against leaving Bible interpretation only to church authorities, referencing Nick Fuentes’ views.

  "No one's gonna read the Bible and then think, hey, we should bring in the lesbian to be the United Methodist pastor..." (08:10)

4. Christian Nationalism, Calvinism, and Power Struggles

• Broad analysis of the emergent Christian nationalist movement and the influence of figures like Nick Fuentes and Joel Webbon.

  "Calvinism is just kind of a dumb idea that's just antithetical to the Bible." (12:24)

• Shelley articulates why he rejects Calvinism, calling it "pseudo-intellectual" and "appealing to the lazy and prideful."

  "The Bible clearly says for God so loved the world... Calvinists have never been that popular." (12:42)

5. Revival, Rebellion, and Sincerity of Modern Christian Converts

• Raven questions whether current religious revivals are genuine conversions or just backlashes to liberal culture.

  "Is that the same as being after the heart of God and trying to develop a relationship and pursue Jesus Christ?" (14:30)

• Shelley speculates that societal chaos (Covid, censorship, political violence) is driving many to "seek truth," creating openings for new church movements.

6. Old Testament Law, American Legal History, and Modern Morality

• Detailed discussion of historic capital punishment for sodomy in early America, referencing Connecticut law and changes through Lawrence v. Texas (2003).

  “For the first... several hundred years of American history, sodomy was punished with the death penalty.” (19:45)

• The show debates whether biblical law should be the basis for American law and the trajectory of moral legislation.

7. Slippery Slope and Societal Decay

• Hosts share personal anecdotes and discomfort with the speed of cultural change regarding LGBTQ+ rights and "slippery slope" arguments:

  "If you let the homos get married, then they're going to come for the kids next... I was too young to affect any of these... and I remember thinking, that's wild... and now I'm like, oh, actually." (22:54)

8. Difference Between Law of the Land and Church Action

• Discussion distinguishes between state laws against homosexuality and the church’s approach to repentance and salvation narratives.
• Shelley presents a strict "reprobate" doctrine:

  "I personally think that fags can't get saved at all... after they become reprobate, they cannot be saved." (25:06)

9. Trauma, Abuse, Spiritual Strongholds, and Demonic Influence

• The hosts raise the frequency of child abuse in LGBTQ+ backgrounds, MK Ultra, and spiritual strongholds, integrating conspiracy and spiritual warfare concepts.

  "When you start delving into this butthole stuff, that’s like some sort of a portal… that’s an opening for entities..." (32:27)

• Shelley speculates about sodomy as a point of no return and elite initiation into evil.

  "If you can get this person to perform an act of sodomy, that they are not and ever get saved, they're never going to love the truth..." (35:21)

10. Sodom and Gomorrah: Angels, Nephilim, and Hybrid Theories

• Hosts raise the Genesis 6 narrative and whether "sons of God" means angels breeding with humans to create Nephilim (giants or hybrids).

• Shelley maintains "giants" are just tall people and that "sons of God" are believers from Seth's line.

  "I don't believe in angels mating with humans… I do believe the right interpretation is giants and that we're just talking about really tall humans." (47:10)

• The group debates translations (Bene Elohim), the role of the Book of Enoch, and interpretations of Job and Jude.

• Shelley strongly dismisses Enoch and the hybrid theory:

  "I don't really have a lot of respect for the book of Enoch, personally. It doesn't mean that some of it couldn't be true, sometimes just copying the Bible..." (72:30)

11. Hierarchy of Angels, Demons, and Church Doctrine

• Breakdown of angelic ranks (cherubim, seraphim, etc.) and distinctions between devils, demons, fallen angels, and unclean spirits.
• Shelley explains denominations’ views of end times, rapture timings (pre, mid, post-trib), and his position:

  "You have Matthew 24, verse 29 says and immediately after the tribulation... that’s the Rapture." (76:00)

12. Music, Worship, and Contemporary Church Critique

• Dialogue about current worship practices, comparing traditional hymns with modern worship ("our God is an awesome God" is criticized for vagueness).
• Shelley values doctrinal clarity in hymns and criticizes contemporary worship as repetitive and "devoid of doctrine." (88:10)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Gospel Strictness:

  "The Bible literally says, like, Leviticus 20:13 says that they should be put to death. So, you know, that's my stance. It's always been my stance." (07:26)

• On Calvinism:

  "Calvinism is just kind of a dumb idea that's just antithetical to the Bible...it appeals to the prideful and it appeals to the lazy...” (12:24)

• On Modern Revival:

  “I think a lot of people are up for play right now. I think more people have been up for play right now than ever before.” (18:18)

• On Child Abuse and Reprobate Doctrine:

  “While it could be really close...seven out of ten, you know, people that end up becoming homosexual were molested as a children, it doesn't mean that it's one for one… I personally think that fags can't get saved at all.” (25:06/35:21)

• On Giants and Sons of God:

  “I just interpret [Sons of God] as saved people. I think it's Seth's line... He's not going to always strive with...man, not angels or hybrids." (51:04)

• On Church Music:

  "...the problem with a lot of contemporary music today is that it's devoid of doctrine. Like, it lyrically, it's just basically just a repetitive, just MK Ultra exercise." (88:10)

Important Timestamps

• Pastor Shelley Intro & Background: 02:38–04:28
• Comparison to Westboro Baptist: 04:28–05:55
• Christian Nationalism & Calvinism: 09:42–14:30
• Slippery Slope Arguments: 22:54–24:43
• Reprobate Doctrine & Romans 1: 25:06–28:03
• Sodom and Gomorrah/Nephilim Hybrid Theories: 39:07–51:04
• Book of Enoch, Giants Discussion: 69:39–73:43
• Rapture Doctrine (Pre/Mid/Post Tribulation): 74:40–80:08
• Worship Music & Church Critique: 86:52–89:54

Tone & Style

• Candid, Blunt, and Adversarial: The conversation is open and unapologetic, often using explicit language and occasionally veering into shock territory.
• Mix of Conspiratorial and Scriptural: The hosts and Shelley blend mainstream and fringe Christian interpretations, conspiracy theory, and pop culture.
• Doctrinally Rigid: Pastor Shelley maintains a fundamentalist, literalist stance on scripture, regularly critiquing mainstream and alternative Christian movements.

Conclusion

This episode offers an intense, unfiltered look at hardcore fundamentalist positions on contemporary issues, underpinned by literal biblical interpretation and laced with conspiratorial speculation. Pastor Jonathan Shelley is frank about his views, sparking debates with the hosts over salvation, law, demonic spirits, angelic hierarchies, church music, and the very structure of American Christianity. Listeners are left with a clear, if controversial, image of the "Baptist bias" in the current swirl of Christian and cultural transformation.