Strange Flesh | Straight Bible w/ Matt Hepner

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Podcast Summary: "Strange Flesh | Straight Bible w/ Matt Hepner"

Nephilim Death Squad (TopLobsta Productions) — November 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts TopLobsta and Raven team up with guest Matt Hepner for a deep-dive into the biblical examples of apostasy, tackling themes around "strange flesh," the Nephilim, and spiritual dangers lurking in the church. The discussion uses a range of scriptural cross-references—especially the Book of Jude, Genesis 6, and Romans 1—to investigate the origins of giants, the nature of spiritual rebellion, and the lessons for modern believers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Context: Jude's Urgent Plea Against Apostasy

• [03:00] The Book of Jude was initially to discuss "the common salvation," but Jude alters his intent mid-letter to directly warn believers to "earnestly contend for the faith."
  • Quote: “He’s talking to saved people about earnestly contending for the faith... there are certain men crept in unaware… turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness and denying… our Lord Jesus Christ.” – Sam [04:00]

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2. Scriptural Deep Dives: Lessons from Israel and Apostasy

• [06:00] Numbers 32:11-13: Not everyone saved from Egypt entered the promised land—only those wholly faithful like Caleb and Joshua.

  • Theme: Past spiritual privilege doesn't guarantee future standing.

• [07:30] 1 Corinthians 10: Paul compares Israel's Red Sea crossing to Christian baptism, emphasizing that symbolic acts aren’t enough; obedience is required.

  • Quote: "Certain enemies on the other side of the water no longer had access to Israel…when you go through the baptism." – Sam [09:35]

• [12:25] Romans 11: Gentile believers are "grafted in" to the Jewish tree, but unbelief can sever even "natural" branches; spiritual vigilance is demanded.

• [15:50] Matthew 7:15-23: Danger of assuming salvation; Christ will reject many who thought external works were enough.

  • Quote: “There’s people that assume they are saved that are not. That’s clearly what that’s saying.” – Sam [17:30]

• [20:00] Key Idea: The difference between “many wonderful works” and “God’s works.” True fruit comes only from genuine faith and divine relationship.

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3. The Fall of Angels: "Strange Flesh" and the Genesis 6 Controversy

Jude 1:6-7, Genesis 6 Cross-Examined

• [25:00] Jude moves from Israel's example of apostasy to the fallen angels—"the angels which kept not their first estate.”

  • Angels left their heavenly post and “their own habitation”—interpreted as literally leaving their spiritual bodies and realms.
  • Greek word study: “Oikerion” links to their “body”; only found here and 2 Corinthians 5:1-2.

• [31:55] Amplified Bible clears up ambiguity: Both Sodom and Gomorrah and the fallen angels indulged in “unnatural vice.” This ties Genesis 6 “sons of God” (angels) to the Nephilim narrative.

  • Quote: “The Amplified makes it incredibly clear… the same sin of Sodom and Gomorrah … is the same thing as how the angels sinned in verse 6.” – Sam [32:21]

• [36:07] Genesis 6: “Sons of God” (direct creations, i.e., angels) mate with “daughters of men,” producing Nephilim (giants).

  • Nephilim/Etymology: Word appears again in Numbers 13:33; Rephaim, Gibor, and other tribes of giants are referenced.
  • Theology: Sons of God = direct creations (Adam, angels; human line only after new birth). Believers become “sons of God” by new birth (John 1, Romans 8:14, 1 John 3:1-2).

• [45:20] Discussion of alternative views:

  • Some scholars posit “sons of God” were the line of Seth (not angels). Sam and Raven respectfully disagree, pointing out logical flaws:
    • “How did two humans create a hybrid giant?”
    • “How godly could the ‘sons of Seth’ really be if they’re sleeping with ungodly women?”

• [47:18] Sam’s view: Nephilim (giant hybrids) become the “demons” or wandering spirits after death, since their hybrid essence doesn't fit angelic or human afterlife realms.

• [48:32] Post-Flood giants puzzle:

  • Possible solutions: Another incursion by angels post-flood, or survivors through means like space departure (referencing Timothy Alberino’s "localized flood" theory, but Sam prefers a global flood with new incursions if necessary).

  • Quote: “God destroys them with the flood … now Satan knows God won’t flood the earth again... so, round two.” – Sam [50:46]

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4. Israel, Giants, and the Broader Biblical Worldview

• [52:01] The need for Israel to wipe out whole giant tribes isn’t senseless brutality, but an act of divine judgment tied to a supernatural seed war (Genesis 3:15).

  • Other nations (Moabites, Ammonites, Children of Lot, Esau’s descendants) are also used by God to eradicate giant tribes (Deuteronomy 2:9-23).

• [54:31] The giants are a historical, multi-ethnic, pan-geographical phenomenon—narrated not only in the Bible but in the folklore of indigenous peoples worldwide.

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5. Sodom, Gomorrah, and the Nature of “Strange Flesh”

• [63:17] Ezekiel 16:49-50 and Genesis 19:1-11 are cited to define Sodom’s sin: not just sexual perversion, but pride, idleness, apathy to the poor, and violent, aggressive spirituality.

  • Quote: “There are two types of wickedness… one like Canaan, steeped in the occult… Sodom and Gomorrah… more like American wickedness—superficial, materialistic.” – Sam [64:00]

• [69:34] Genesis 19’s angels demonstrate that God’s messengers on earth can appear fully human, even eating meals. The violent urge of Sodom’s men against these angels is a literal pursuit of “strange flesh.”

• [73:21] Powerful testimony: Discussion of sexual sin and orientation: being “born this way” is equated to having an involuntary urge, likened to addictions; repentance and surrender to God can override it.

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6. The Light Given to All: General Revelation & Divine Justice

• [75:03] Romans 1:16-32: Even Sodom had a degree of spiritual "light" (general revelation in conscience and creation), thus their guilt before God.

  • Repeated phrase: "God gave them up"—to impurity, passions, reprobate minds—because of voluntary rejection of truth.
  • No one is without excuse: “The visible world proves the invisible.” (Paraphrased from Romans 1:20)

• [77:30] Modern application: Contemporary society’s obsession with creation/Nature at the expense of the Creator is identified as a key symptom of spiritual decay.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Past privilege does not guarantee future standing… Take heed, lest he also spare not you.” — Sam on Romans 11 [13:50]
• “There’s no such thing as fire without smoke… Faith without works is dead.” — Sam [20:15]
• “When those [Nephilim giants] died, those are the roaming spirits… Those are the demonic entities that can invade bodies.” — Sam [47:18]
• “He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, because he’s sovereign.” — Sam on divine authority [52:12]
• “We are the people of all humans in history… given the most light. We have access to more truth than anyone ever.” — Sam [41:01]
• “The Bible is deep and complex, and this is complex, man… we never go deep on anything.” — Sam [57:15]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:00 — Setting the stage: Jude’s warning about apostasy.
• 06:00 — Israel as biblical example; Numbers and 1 Corinthians unpacked.
• 12:25 — Paul’s grafted-branches metaphor in Romans 11.
• 15:50 — Matthew 7: Dangers of false assurance.
• 25:00 — The fall of angels and “strange flesh” (Jude 1:6-7).
• 31:55 — The Amplified Bible clarifies the link between Genesis 6 and Sodom.
• 36:07 — Genesis 6 revisited: Nephilim, giants, and spiritual biology.
• 45:20 — Alternative interpretations, the “sons of Seth” problem.
• 47:18 — The origin of demons: Nephilim and hybrid spirits.
• 52:01 — Israel, other nations, and the extermination of ancient giants.
• 54:31 — Giants in global folklore and the broader supernatural narrative.
• 63:17 — Sodom’s sins versus Canaan’s: Superficial vs. occult wickedness.
• 69:34 — Genesis 19: angels and aggressive “strange flesh.”
• 73:21 — Testimony: sexuality, sin, and being “born this way.”
• 75:03 — Romans 1 and the universal “light” of revelation.

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Tone & Style

Conversational but reverent, Sam (Matt Hepner) grounds his teaching with a distinctive emphasis on scriptural clarity, occasionally riffing with Raven about conspiracies, modern misapplications, and the supernatural. The episode is dense with scripture cross-references, reflective pauses (“selah”), and a healthy skepticism toward both “dead formalities” in church life and shallow readings of biblical history.

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Final Takeaway

This episode offers a robust challenge to listeners to reconsider the biblical warnings about apostasy—not as ancient cautionary tales, but as urgent instructions for today’s church. Whether one agrees fully with their supernatural reading of Genesis 6 or not, the hosts’ ultimate plea is clear: Don’t fall away. Stay vigilant. Remain faithful—and beware the lure of “strange flesh,” both literal and spiritual.

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Transcript

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[Sam]

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[Raven]

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[Sam]

Foreign we're in session two of Jude. Last week we were talking about how the book of Jude is about apostasy. This week we're going to talk about examples of apostasy. So the the examples that are given in verses 5, 6 and 7, we're going to dig deeper into those. But let's just do a little bit of a backdrop from last week. So we'll just start in Jude, chapter one, verse one. I Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father and preserved in Jesus Christ and called. So we open up with who's this letter written by and who's it written to? It's written by Jude and it's written to the church. Right? These are people that are sanctified, they're preserved in Jesus Christ and called mercy unto you, and peace and love be multiplied. Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, exhort you that you should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. So we hit that last week. We were just talking about how he initially started to write just about common salvation. And then in the middle of writing, he said, no, man, I got to write to these guys about earnestly contending for the faith. He's talking to saved people about earnestly contending for the faith. And then we. We really keyed in on verse four, right? It says, because there are certain men crept in unaware, crept into the church unaware, who were before of old, ordained to this condemnation. Ungodly man that's in the church. Ungodly men turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness and denying the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. So we really keyed in on that last week. Now we're going to go into verse 5, 6, and 7 this week. I will therefore put you in remembrance. Though you once knew this how, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. And the angels, which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, under the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. So this goes hard right now. This goes. This is like a serious passage. Like we said, he's talking about this turning the grace of God into lasciviousness. And this is what these fakers who snuck in the church started doing. They started to say that it was okay to live however you want because you have grace. And then to prove this point of apostasy, Jude is giving us examples of apostasy. He starts out with Israel. That's what verse five is. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though you once knew this how? That the Lord having saved the people out of the land of Egypt and afterward destroyed them that believed not. So we can just look at that. Just think about that for a minute. God saved Israel, right? He saved them out of Egypt, but later destroyed them. So just keep that in mind, because some people struggle with that. Some people have this concept of like, oh, if I ever was good with God, like one day, then I'm good. With God forever. Jude's going to great lengths here to establish this point, that some people were good with God and then they weren't. That they were saved by God and then they weren't. So God, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt afterward, destroyed them that believed not. If we could look at numbers 32, 11, 32, 11, 13. We're just going to key in on all this stuff and just kind of elaborate on each verse a little bit more and tell the story of what Jude is alluding to. So I'm going to just turn to numbers 32, 11 through 13.

[Raven]

Take your time.

[Sam]

No, you take your time. That's a nice shot, dude. Does everybody see the new shot?

[Raven]

I thought this was straight Bible. Let's. Let's focus.

[Sam]

Okay, we're 32, numbers 32, 11 through 13. Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt from 20 years old and upward shall see the land which I swore unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, because they have not wholly followed me.

[Raven]

Oh, it's numbers 32.

[Sam]

Yeah, no, that's fine. We're not anywhere near any of this, but it's okay. Right, so this is the key. This is the key phrase here. Right. Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt from 20 years old and upward shall see the land which I swore unto Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because they have not wholly followed me. Except Caleb, the son of Jephunneh, the Kenizite. Is that Jewish descent? I don't. I don't think so. The Kenizzite. We can get into that later. And Joshua, the son of Nun, for they have wholly followed the Lord, Right? Notice the difference between these guys who did not wholly follow the Lord and then these two that did wholly follow the Lord. And the Lord's anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness 40 years until all the generation that had done evil in the sight of the Lord was consumed. So there you have it. This is Jude giving examples of apostasy, right? That's the context here. We're just reading these examples that he's alluding to. God saved people. They were like in. Right, Standing with God, and then through their wickedness, through their going away from their faith, Right? It says in Jude 5, they believed not afterward, they believed not. Those people God destroyed. These are. These are examples. Let's look at 1 Corinthians 10. 1 Corinthians 10, 1 3. We're just getting warmed up. We're just kind of like opening up Making sure we're on the same page. It's Jude talking about apostasy is a big deal in the church. And because of that he has to write to us that we earnestly contend for the faith. And these are the examples given by Scripture for apostasy so that we know what it is and how to avoid it. So this is a big deal, right? So we're just going to compare scripture with Scripture, right? So let's look at 1 Corinthians 10, 1:13. You think you got it? Okay? Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant how that all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea. So what he's saying right there, he's saying that Israel was baptized, right? And we're all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea. He's trying to make this point that the life of Israel is not much different from the life of the church. Right? He says, he says, moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant how that all our fathers were under the cloud and all passed through the sea and we're all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. This is the passage that me and the raven were talking about the other day because he was getting baptized and we were making the point that like, you know, some people think that baptism is just an outward sign of an inward emotion or something. I forget how people word it, but they're like, oh, yeah, it's just a formality. I'm pretty sure the Lord didn't just come institute a cold dead formality when his entire life was spent beefing with dudes with cold dead formalities. So I can't accept that baptism is just some cold dead formality. But I like what the Bible says about it. The Bible says that our baptism was actually. There was actually a type ahead of that, right? Which was Israel when they passed through the cloud and the sea, right? And so we know in the New Testament it talks about spiritual baptism, being baptized in the Spirit, and then it talks about water baptism as well. And the scripture also says that there's one baptism. So my take on that is that it's an incomplete baptism. If it's not water baptism and spiritual baptism, I'm not going to get in arguments over whether you can be saved without being baptized or not. Like, we all know the story of the thief on the cross. He didn't get down and get baptized. He couldn't get down and get baptized. And Jesus said, you'll be with me in paradise. I'm not getting into all that. I'm just saying that, like, study out the scripture and everybody got water baptized that could. But spiritual baptism, to be spiritually baptized into the body is a thing as well. And it looks like it takes both of those things to be a complete baptism. But nevertheless, the thing that me and Raven were talking about was there were certain enemies on the other side of the water that no longer had access to Israel. If baptism, if passing through the Red Sea is a type of baptism, my take on this and actually my experience with this, and I've seen it more than once, is that certain enemies that have access to you on that side of baptism no longer have access to you on this side of baptism. Not to say you're not going to have a whole new set of enemies on this side of baptism, but there's certain things that no longer have access to you when you go through the baptism. It's heavy. It's a. It's a real thing, though. That's why he. That's why he's spelling this out right here in 1 Corinthians 10. So all of Israel was baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, and did all eat the same spiritual meat and did all drink the same spiritual drink. Right. So this is like even a type for communion. They did all drink the same spiritual drink and they drank of that spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ. So a lot of people miss this, but like Israel partook of Christ, people aren't ready for that. But that's what it's saying right here. But with many of them, God was not well pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now, these things were our examples to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. Right? It's telling us that all this stuff is given us as examples.

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[Sam]

Neither be idolaters, as were some of them. As it is written, the people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication as some of them committed and fell in 1day 23,000. Neither let us tempt Christ as some of them did, and were destroyed by serpents. Neither murmur as some of them also murmured and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for examples. And they are written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. That's pretty cut and dry to me, man. Like this is what this is saying. All these things happened unto them for examples. That's chapter 10, verse 11 of First Corinthians. Let's even take that back a little bit. Now. All these things happened. That's for all the people that think that the Bible is like metaphorical or they think it's like just symbolic, or they think it's just like cute made up fairy tale stories to learn from this says right here, all these things happened. So just keep that in mind. All these things happen to them for examples for us. They're written for our admonition upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore. So this is like what you're going to take away from it. Let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. Like this is what, this is exactly what Jude is getting at. Like you could say this is exactly the point of the book of Jude is let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall. There is no temptation taken you, but such as is common to man. But God is faithful who will not suffer you to be tempted above that you are able, but will with the temptation also make a way to escape that you may be able to bear it. So thank God for that. Like whatever we're going through, whatever the crazy thing is, whatever is this hard thing that we're struggling with, God has provided an out for us, right? Okay, let's look at. Let's look at Romans 11:13 through 25 as well. We're going to have a little bit of a similar story here, right? We're just dwelling on Israel, right? We're looking at Jude, chapter 1, verse 5. He's given Israel as an example and we're just kind of unlocking this concept a little bit more, just using scripture to make sense of scripture. For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my office. This is Paul speaking to the Romans. If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and save some of Them. That's Israel he's talking about. First, the casting away of them. Israel be the reconciling of the world. What shall the receiving of them be but life from the dead? For if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy. And if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, were grafted among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree, boast not against the branches, but if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root bears you. People struggle with this, man. There's not a Christian tree and then a Jewish tree. This is clearly saying Christians have been grafted in to that Jewish tree, to that tree called Israel, to the entire Old Testament. We've been grafted into that. It's not two separate trees. It's all one story, which Jesus went to great lengths to kind of explain. Everybody, this is a furtherance of the story, but it's all one story. The Book of Acts, same thing. It's a furtherance of the story, but this is all one story. Christmas Christians don't have a separate tree from Israel. I know that's going to be a trigger for some people, but it just is what it is because it's right here, it's very plain. It says that if some of the branches were broken off and you being a wild olive tree, were grafted among them and with them partakest of the root and the fatness of the olive tree. So all of the story of the Old Testament, that's our story. That's our story. And we've been grafted onto that tree. Thou will say, then the branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Here we go. Well, because of unbelief, they were broken off. So they were branches in the tree, everything was fine. And then because of unbelief, they were snapped off. Because of unbelief, they were broken off. And you stand by faith. Be not high minded, but fear. Because if God spared not the natural branches, take heed, lest he also spare not you. This is like so plain. This is so plain to me, man. And there's so much that we're reading that keeps saying, like, take heed. Like, take this serious. Don't, don't be slippery about this. Don't, don't think, like, oh, yeah, just. I'm gonna, you know, do whatever and get back to my busy life. Like, no, no, take this serious, man. For if God spared not the natural branches take heed, lest he also spare not you. Behold, therefore, the goodness and severity of God. This is a major thing today. People struggle with this because it's just like, oh, no, God is love, God is sweet. God is a care bear with the heart on the belly. He's cupcakes and puppies and rainbows and lollipops. So imagine if you. If you have a coin, right? And on the one side, it's got, like, the George Washington face, and you flip it over and it has nothing. That's called counterfeit. That's called counterfeit. Like, that's what people are doing with God. This is a. This is counterfeit. This clearly says, behold, therefore, the goodness and severity of God. That two sides of the coin on them which fell severity. But toward the goodness. If. It's a big if. If you continue in his goodness. Otherwise you also shall be cut off. We're just speaking plainly right here. We're just simply speaking plainly. We're not doing anything crazy. This is what the scripture says. I just don't think a lot of people are familiar with these passages. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graphed back in. For God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off, if you were cut out of the olive tree, which is wild by nature, and were grafted in, contrary to nature, into a good olive tree, how much more shall these which be the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree? That's heavy about Israel, bro. That's heavy. So the. So the point that he's really trying to make right here is that past privilege does not guarantee future standing. Right? Past privilege does not guarantee future standing. That's what a lot of people struggle with this whole thing about. Take heed. I want. I want to, like, just spell this out clearly. What. What we're taking heed about or what this could potentially lead to, because this is terrifying. I think I've said this before on the show, but like. Like when I talk about. This is Matthew 7:15 through 23. When I talk about how, like, this is the most dangerous time and place ever in history to be a Christian. It's. It's. It's like this passage that's embedded that thought in my heart. Matthew 7, 15, 23. Beware of false prophets which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns or figs of thistles. Even so Every good tree brings forth good fruit. But a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit. Neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is honed down and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits, you shall know them. Here we go. Not everyone that saith unto me, lord, Lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. But he that doeth the will of my Father, which is in heaven, many will say to me in that day, lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you depart from me, you that work iniquity. The point I'm trying to make here is there's people that assume they are saved that are not. That's clearly what that's saying. There's. There's people who are incredibly surprised when they see Jesus. They say, oh, Lord, hey, yeah, right on. Here I am. Hey, let's go. No, no, you're not saved. There's people who assume they're saved and they're not. And this is what Jude is pleading with people about, man. Like, he's pleading with them. He's saying, hey, man, I was just going to write to you about the common salvation. But then I told you, you have to earnestly contend for the faith. Because one day at the end of their life, people are going to think they're saved. And Jesus is going to say, I don't even know you. I don't know you. I don't care what denomination you're from. I don't care how often you did this or that. Like, either I know you or I don't know you. And those that know me do the work of my Father. That's what he's saying. So people have to be serious about this and don't take this lightly. Like. Like this is what the entire book of Jude is about. Something I want to key in on, right there is in verse 22, the. The people are specifically saying, can you pull up Revelation 2? 26? The people are saying right here, they're saying, look at all this stuff we did. We did many wonderful works, right? We cast out devils. We prophesied in your name. We did all these wonderful works, man. We did canned food drives, we did missions, we did retreats for people to go to. We did, like, all this cool stuff in your name, man. We did many wonderful works. Look what he says in 2. 26. He that overcomes and keeps my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations. I just want to tell you there's a big difference between many wonderful works and my works. Like this is what God's saying right now. He that overcomes and keeps my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations. Remember, faith without works is dead. You're saved by grace through faith, not of works. Salvation is not of works. We've already been over that. There's no such thing as fire without smoke, right? You don't take smoke to build a fire, but if you have a fire, it produces smoke, right? That's very plain. So fire would be salvation. And because of that salvation, you're automatically going to have smoke. It's going to happen. You're going to have works. Faith without works is dead. You're saved by grace through faith, not of works. Lest any man should boast. The proof that you're saved is the fruit of your life, is those works that are his works. Which is why it's dangerous to just assume that. Assume what God's looking for in your life as opposed to just going to him and saying, lord, what do you want me to do? What do you want me to do with my life? Like, what is the destiny that you made me for? That's what I want to do, Lord. That's what I want to do. So I just want to drive that home. A big difference between many wonderful works in his works. All right, now we're going to get into verse six. I think that's good. I think we. I think we kind of drove that point home. I'll just read it one more time. In Jude, right? He's saying, hey, man, there's a bunch of fakers in the church. You guys got to be careful. You have to contend for the faith. Look what happens when fakers come in. Here's some examples of apostasy. This is verse 5. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though you once knew this how, that the Lord having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. So we showed that story of how Israel did that, and then we broke it down. How through Paul's writings. That that does apply to us as well. Right? So let's go into verse six. And the angels which kept not their first estate. Ruh Roh. The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation he had reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, under the judgment of the great day. So angels kept not right. That means they had it. So what Jude's trying to. This is what Jude's really trying to get at. People that had it and now they don't. Right? Angels, which kept not their first estate. Right? And that word first estate is translated like principality. It's a Greek word. Archeological means like their beginning, like their position, their principality. They left that. Right? The angels, which kept not their first estate. They didn't keep that. They left it. They left their habitation, which if you look at 2 Corinthians 5:1 and 2, Oikerion is the Greek word. That's the only other thing it's ever used. That's the only other place it's at in the Bible. And it's a body. So they left their body. I will therefore put you in remembrance. Though you once knew this how, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them. That believe not. And the angels, they're connected. And the angels, which kept not. They're saying they were good, now they're not. The angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness, under the judgment of the great day. So we're just making the point that they left their position in heaven and they left their body. Like. Like, that's what. That's what that first sentence is saying. They left their position in heaven and they left their body. Because some people will look at the passage in Matthew 22. Can we. Do we have that? We got Matthew 22, verses 23 through 30.

[Raven]

So they left their body. That's very.

[Sam]

What says they. They didn't just leave their position. Like, if they're a principality, that'd be like, here, like a governor, a mayor, a president. They were a principality, like a prince. They had a position. They left that and they left their body.

[Raven]

Very interesting. All right, go ahead.

[Sam]

You got Matthew 22.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah. Make it a little lighter here.

[Sam]

Okay. The same day came to him, the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, saying, master Moses said, if a man dies having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up seed unto his brother. I'm going to just say something about the Sadducees real quick. These are dudes that had bad doctrine, right? The Pharisees had good doctrine. It looks like. Like they. Like they had the doctrine of the resurrection. Right. They had the doctrine of eternal life. Right. Where the Sadducees just didn't even believe in, like, eternal life. Like, like that. That was the point that they were getting at, was that there's nothing after this life. So that was. That was bad doctrine. They said there was no resurrection, right? The Pharisees had good doctrine, but they were just as lost as the Sadducees. Like, they just didn't know God when he was there. So the same day came to him, the Sadducees would say, there's no resurrection, and asked him, say, master Moses said, if a man dies having no children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up seed unto his brother. Now there were with us seven brothers. And the first, when he had married, a wife, died, and having no issue, having no child, left his wife unto his brother. Likewise the second also, and the third under the seventh. So they're just bringing him this hypothetical, right, trying to catch him. And last of all, the woman died also. Therefore, in the resurrection, whose wife shall she be of the 7? For they all had her. They're saying, like, hey man, this. This chick was married to seven dudes. So in the resurrection, who. Whose wife is she? This is heavy right here. Jesus answered and said unto them, you do err not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God, which they go hand in hand. And I would, I would just say. I would just say this, dude, these are people who definitely know the scriptures. If we're talking about how somebody knows the scriptures, these are dudes who have the scriptures memorized. These are people who can quote scripture. Jesus tells those people, you err not knowing the scriptures. He's saying, I don't care if you have it memorized, that means nothing. You have it memorized, you can repeat it. You're like a parrot on a pirate shoulder. That, that won't do anything for you. Like that. Like, that's great. You can repeat stuff. You don't know the Scriptures. And if you don't know the scriptures, you don't know the power of God. Because those go hand in hand. Verse 30. Because in the resurrection, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. So this is a. This is a thing, man. There's angels of God. There's angels of Satan too, right? Revelation 12, 9. We don't have to pull it up. But Revelation 12. 9 and Matthew 25:41, both. Both speak of the devil and his angels, right? So this is speaking of the angels of God in heaven. So there's angels of God in heaven. I'd venture to say there's angels of God on earth. Hebrews 13, 2 says, Be not forgetful to entertain strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unaware. So clearly angels can pop up and look like humans. Right? Those would be angels on earth, Angels of God on earth is what he's alluding to here. But Jesus is talking about angels of God in heaven. Those angels of God in heaven, they don't marry and they aren't given in marriage. Now there's the devil and his angels, and some of them, which we're reading about right here in Jude in verse six, they're locked up now. They're locked up. Some of them are loose, some of something, some of devils, some of the devil's angels are loose on the planet, but some of them are locked up. And it's a very specific group that's locked up. It's a very specific. It's a very specific requirement for why these ones are locked up. Okay, so we just. So we just dealt with that. Angels of God in heaven, they don't marry, they don't get down with females. There's nothing like that. What we are talking about is not God's angels in heaven, we're talking about Satan's angels on earth and the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. He has reserved an everlasting chains under darkness, under the judgment of the great day. Can you pull up. Are you able to pull up? Blb. Yeah. And then Jude this, Jude chapter one in the Amplified. Like, to me, this brings it out so clear. So clear. If you look on the section where it lets you pick the translation, where it says kjv. I think you have to scroll right next to the search bar.

[Raven]

Right here?

[Sam]

No, right next to the search bar. Okay. You're in it. You're in it. Yep. Now scroll down in that. I think amplified's at the bottom. Where's the one that says amp?

[Raven]

Right here.

[Sam]

Okay. And then go.

[Raven]

That's right, Jude. Okay.

[Sam]

Okay. So the Amplified Bible is. Is very. It brings out the strength of the Greek, right? Like it's. It's said that like English is a very weak language. Like, we say the word love, we say, I love God, I love my dog, I love my car, I love my wife, I love my shoes. Like, all the same. Whereas the Greek has multiple words for that. So the. Can the chat not blow up. Blue letter Bible. I know, I shouldn't have looked. I shouldn't have looked anyway, so look how clear the Greek makes it. I'm gonna just read it straight from the screen. I'll just read 5, 6, and 7. Now I want to remind you, although you are fully informed once for all, that the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, subsequently destroyed those who did not believe, who refused to trust and obey and rely on him. And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place. These he has kept in eternal chains under the thick gloom of utter darkness for the judgment of the great day. So I just want to. I just want to reiterate that point. Those specific angels are kept in chains. Watch this in verse seven, just as Sodom and Gomorrah in the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels. What? Just as Sodom and Gomorrah in the adjacent cities, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual pervers diversity, they are exhibited in plain sight. As an example in undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire. The. The amplified makes it incredibly clear. I think the King James is very clear too. But it's very clear that the same sin of Solomon Gomorrah in verse seven is the same thing as how the angel sinned in verse 6. And I'm only finding one place in all of the scripture that connects that together, that spells it out that these are the specific angels that he's alluding to. And this is Genesis 6. So if we look at Genesis 6, chapter one. Genesis chapter six, verse one. Sorry. And this may be like very kindergarten ish to a lot of people, but this is a passage that people argue about a lot. Great men of God have different views on this passage. And so that's why I'm just trying to take some time to develop it. I'm trying to go slow and take some time to develop this. So it's not just. We're not just assuming that Genesis chapter six is what we think it is like. Let's take time to explain this to make sure we're all on the same page. It came to pass when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born unto them. That the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose. I just want to draw a very clear distinction here. The like the emphasis in this passage. Notice how many times that man or men is referenced as opposed to sons of God like man and men is. Is very. Is very clearly mentioned. And then sons of God is clearly mentioned. Right? This phrase sons of God is only found here and then in the book of Job, that's in Job 1:6. Job, chapter 2, verse 1. Job, chapter 38, verses 4 through 7. We don't have to go to those, but you can just go into the blue letter Bible search engine and look up sons of God. You'll see that's the only place it pops up. And it's always referring to angels. Okay, so just keep that in mind. It came to pass when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born into those men that sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the Lord said, my spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh, yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after that. Why, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men and they bear children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually, his internal and his external. This is one of the like, craziest. This verse kind of changed my life, man. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. I just remember thinking, like, I don't want to do anything that grieves God at his heart. And I remember when I started to go to church and people said, oh no, you can't do anything that affects God. He's God. And I thought, that's weird, man, because I read this passage, it said it repented the Lord that he made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And I just thought, lord, I don't want to do anything in my life to ever grieve you at your heart. I don't want to be guilty of that.

[Raven]

We had a discussion about this a while ago, that idea. So the Blue Letter Bible, the amplified version, says that he regretted it. And we were talking about if God can regret or not. It's an interesting idea, but there are also other translations of that word, right?

[Sam]

Well, that's repented. It would have said he regretted it. But the main thing I was like shocked at was that he was grieved, man. I just thought, I don't want to grieve God, man. Like, I don't like the fact that I'm capable of grieving the heart of God. One, I need to know That I need to be aware of that. And then two, I need to be very mindful of my life. Is this a thing that's going to grieve God? Because I don't think there's anything. I don't think there's anything worse in my life I could do than grieve God. If, like, say I'm on the planet for, like, 120 years, I'm just walking around. He says, hey, man, here's this playground for you. You got waves and, like, mountains, and you can do all this cool stuff on the planet. You have dominion on the planet. And then I'm just down here, like, grieving him. I don't. I can't think of something worse than that. And I just don't want to do that. And Lord said, I'll destroy man who. Who I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast and the creeping thing and the fowls of the air, because it repents me that I made them. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. Like, no matter how ugly and bad it gets, man, there's always. There's always God winning, right? Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. So anyway, I just. I just want to. I just want to make that clear, man. We probably read a little bit too far, but it's really verses one through four that we're really trying to key in here, that this is sons of God that came into the daughters of men and it created giants. Now, the word giants here is Nephil, where we get the word Nephilim, right?

[Raven]

It's never heard of it.

[Sam]

It's really only used again in Numbers 13:33. Giants. Everywhere else is translated. Is a translation from the word rephaim or like Gibor is another one that can get translated. Giants. But there's. There's tons of giants tribes, man. There's tons of tribes of giants. And it looks like they're created from sons of God breeding with daughters of man. I want to key in on this phrase, sons of God. To me, it means direct creation of God, right? Like Adam was a direct creation of God. He's a son of God, right? Angels are sons of God. They're direct creations of God. They don't procreate. Like, they don't create new angels. I was a creation of my mom and dad. So you can say, oh, you're a creation of God? Yes and no. A lot of things in our kingdom are like that. They're yes and no. Okay, so John 1, are we able to get John 1.

[Raven]

You mean first John?

[Sam]

No, just Gospel of John, chapter one. There was a man sent from God whose name was John. This is John the Baptist. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the light that all men through him might believe. He was not that light, but was sent to bear witness of the light that was the true light which lights every man that comes into the world. Salah. That's a heavy statement, man. A lot of people don't really mess with that verse, man. Jesus lights every man that comes into the world.

[Raven]

What does salah mean?

[Sam]

Means meditate on it. It's always in Psalms. You ever read Psalms? You ever see at the end where it. Like at the end of a section it says salah? It means like, stop and meditate on it. Like, think about it.

[Raven]

Tell the people.

[Sam]

They know. Well, yeah, Salah means stop and meditate on it. Think about it. This is big to me, man. This is big to me because everybody, which I think this story, as we read it a little bit more, is gonna. Is gonna kind of reveal this even more. Everybody has been given a certain amount of light, man. Some have been given more and some have begin been given less, but everybody's been given a certain amount of light. What is that light? That's the true light which lights every man that comes into the world. Now, I would say we are the people of all humans in history that have ever been given the most light. Like, we absolutely have access to more truth than anyone who's ever existed. But Jesus is the true light which lights every man that comes in the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. That's the Gentiles. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. That's the Jews. But as many as received him. I love this man. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name, which were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Damn, that is like. That's an incredible passage, man. So, yes, I was a creation of my mom and dad, but when I was born again, I was born of God. Like, I'm his boy. I was born of God, right? So this is what we're talking about. Sons of God. That. That's why right here it says in verse 12 that he gave us power to become the sons of God. We have the power to become the sons of God, to be a Direct creation of God to be born again. So we're part of the family now. Look at. Well, we don't have to pull it up, but Romans 8:14 says, for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, those are the sons of God. This is why I'm always praying like, lord, guide me, instruct me. I want to be led by you. I don't want to go my own way and F everything up. I don't want to do that. I know what that's like. I don't want to do that. I know what it's like to live under the curse. I know what it's like to live under the blessing. I want to be guided by you, God. I don't want to be going my way and this way and that way and whatever I think is cool. I don't want any of that. I just want to be led by you. For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. Can we look at 1 John 3? 2. 1 John 3 also? All right. 1 John 3, verses 1 and 2. Behold what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us. That we should be called the sons of God. See how this phrase is being used? Sons of God. Therefore the world knows us not because it knew him not. Verse 2. Beloved. Now are we the sons of God. And it does not yet appear what we shall be. But we know that when he, Jesus, shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. That's heavy.

[Raven]

They're talking about the. The difference between heavenly bodies and this physical body that we have right now.

[Sam]

Right. Well, that's. That's gonna be. One day. We're gonna. We're gonna be like him. We're gonna see him as he is, and we're gonna be like him.

[Raven]

Is this why, like, the Jews before, would go to Abraham's bosom rather than heaven?

[Sam]

That. That whole concept in Luke, the story of Abraham's bosom and the rich man in Lazarus. Yeah, that. Whatever that territory is, it looks like it was a holding place.

[Raven]

But, I mean, that's where you get purgatory from.

[Sam]

I don't know. I'm not familiar. I don't know where they get purgatory. I don't. Because you. I don't think you can get purgatory from the Bible. I mean, I'm sure they do. I'm sure they somehow pull that or whatever.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Sam]

But, yeah, it looks like there's a holding place because ultimately there's going to be A new heavens and a new earth. So, like, for us to die, we're with Christ if we know the Lord. If not, we're in a different holding tank. But we're both awaiting. We're both awaiting the judgment seat it's appointed unto. Man wants to die, and after that, the judgment. But ultimately, even hell gets thrown in the lake of fire. It's like, even hell, whatever hell is right now, we don't have to get into all that. Ultimately, that gets thrown into the lake of fire. Hell was something created for Satan and his angels. So those who pledge allegiance to him, God says, yeah, I'm a gentleman, go ahead. Like, if that's. If that's. If you choose that, then go ahead. But ultimately hell gets thrown in the lake of fire, and ultimately there's a new heaven and a new earth and we get a glorified body. And that's what he's talking about, is that glorified body that'll be just like Jesus. Glorified body. Okay, so I'm just taking a little bit of time to. To go through this because the argument is that this is not angels. Right. Some people believe that this sons of God is just a godly man.

[Raven]

No offense, Matt, you're preaching to the choir here, but.

[Sam]

No, I know, but I think it's good for everybody to understand because like I said, great men of God. Great men of God, who I love and have learned a ton from, think that this is not angels. Think that this is just a godly line from the line of Seth.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah. Some. Some people I know, like really good scholars.

[Sam]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And. Yeah, they think that.

[Sam]

So here's just a couple of questions I have for people who think it's the line of Seth. How. How did the marriage or sex of two humans create giants? If. If it's just two humans, how did it create this hybrid? And I'll just go ahead and say my take on demons, man, is fallen. Angels are angels. They have bodies. They can shape shift, if you will, whatever. I don't want to get too weird, but they can. They can go in and out of realms, and they can look different at different times. They've got bodies. They're an eternal thing. A human has a temporary body. A dirt man. Right, A dirt body. Those two come together and create a thing that wasn't supposed to exist. When those things died, those hybrids, those Nephilim, those giants, when those things die, those are the roaming spirits. There's no place for them. They don't go where the angels go. They don't go where the humans go. They're a hybrid. They weren't supposed to exist, so now they exist. Those are the demonic entities that can invade bodies that can get in bodies.

[Raven]

They exist in the DMT realm, dog.

[Sam]

Well, sure, yeah. What is it? The DMT toad or whatever. Yeah, like, whatever. I mean, that's what those entities are. So we're. So we battle against fallen angels and the demonic realm. That's my take. That's my take. If somebody disagrees, it's no problem. I'm not starting a new denomination based on that. And I can still be cool, Everything's good. But that's my take. Okay, now, how godly were these dudes? If they're boning on godly women? Like, if they're saying, oh, yeah, man, this is the line of Seth, they're so godly, they're banging on godly chicks. How, like, how godly are they? I don't. I don't understand what I'm saying. I don't understand that argument. They're like, oh, these are the sons of God, man, because they're so holy. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. These are just my questions. Doesn't mean I'm right. I'm just saying these are my questions. Where do all the giants, through the rest of the Bible come from? There's just. I mean, because after the flood, all you have is Noah, his household, the three wives, you know, Noah's wife. After that, there's like these godly men, and they just start boning ungodly chicks again and make. And then. And then again creating a giant.

[Raven]

Well, not to into. I don't want to derail your show, but what do you think about. I know you disagree a little bit with Timothy Albarino's localized flood theory on, you know, the Genesis 6 localized flood. But clearly some of these giants did survive because in the Book of Numbers, we see them there. This is after the flood. This is post duvian. What happened?

[Sam]

Actually, the dude, Timothy Albarino said something cool. It's funny you asked about him. I don't know why. He's not the only one who, who thinks the flood was localized. I don't think the flood was localized, but again, I'm not starting to do your domination on that or whatever. I think everything was destroyed. But I think the dude, Timothy Albarino, said something interesting. He said, yeah, everything on the earth died. Say they were on the Earth and then before the flood.

[Raven]

Oh, you're talking UFO stuff.

[Sam]

What if they left? What if they left, I don't know. I don't know. It's not really a big thing to me. I got no problem with this idea that that all happened and then angels still started boning women again after the flood and brought in more giants after the flood that way.

[Raven]

Right.

[Sam]

I'm okay with it. I'm not. I'm like, I don't really. I hate to ever say I don't care, but I kind of don't care exactly how all that went down.

[Raven]

Like, that's NDS stuff. This is straight Bible.

[Sam]

Yeah. But I. But I do think it matters, and I think it does shape a lot of the reality that we live in. When you look at Baobek at Lebanon, when you look at Machu Picchu in Peru, when you look at the pyramid of Giza, like, I don't know, you look at this stuff and you're like, who did that? Who did that? And it lines up with all this stuff in the solar system and like, who did that? So anyway, yeah. I just don't think that we're like the most. I know. We think because of our gadgets, we're so intelligent. I just don't think we are like the most intelligent that's ever been here. Like, gasoline cars just seem so crude to me. It just seems so crude. I don't know, it just seems very weird. Like what's on the planet right now and being able to like get into everybody's gossip from your phone, that just seems like a very crude technology. Doesn't seem that cool. It just seems like there was way cooler technology back in the day.

[Raven]

Yeah. I mean, to get this set up, the amount of wires we had to run is insane. It's probably better technology. There's probably a better way to do this.

[Sam]

Right? Okay. So God destroys them with the flood, right? But now Satan knows God won't flood the earth again, right? So he. Let's not do that. So he knows, you know, God says, I won't flood the earth again. I'll set this rainbow up here. I don't care if humans hijack the rainbow or not, but I'm going to set this rainbow here and everybody's going to know that I'm not going to flood the earth again. So Satan says, right on. Game on. Round two. Round two, let's go. So he starts to. To do it again, right? And it's a seed war. I think you guys talk about the seed war, right? So he's saying, like, if I can contaminate this line of humans, that are made in the image and likeness of God because there's a man in the Godhead. There's a man in the Godhead, but now there's a whole planet of humans as well. If I can contaminate that bloodline, I can keep it from the Messiah coming forth, who he knows is coming. So he goes for round two. And that's why God uses Israel to, like, take them out, dude. Like, if you read these stories after Exodus, Leviticus, numbers, Deuteronomy, you read the stories of Israel, they're going in and wiping out giant tribes, dude. Dude, they're wiping out some of these tribes, and some of them, not all of them. It's men, women, and children and everything. Right?

[Raven]

This is what a lot of the Bible didn't make sense to me before that. But when you look at it through that lens, then I'm like, all right, this guy's just not a maniac telling him to just go and kill people. There was something going on.

[Sam]

Well, he can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, because he's sovereign. So if it ends up being something else and God's like, no, you were wrong about that. That's not the only way. It's okay that God did that. God can do whatever he wants.

[Raven]

Listen, it sure seems like it that. That way, though, I hope.

[Sam]

I mean, they're wicked and evil, man. He says, you guys can't go in there until the sin of the Amorites is full. Like, he allowed man enough time to repent and until their sin just got to the full. And then he said, all right, it's time to wipe everything out. But as long as we're talking about that Israel was used to wipe out the giants, I just want to bring this to people's attention. I never hear this, and I'm in some conspiracy theory circles, and I'm. Yeah, I listen to, like, Timothy Alberino and even Steve Quayle or La Marzulli or, like, these dudes get with a lot of the cool stuff. They get into the Nephilim stuff. I never really hear people talk about this in Deuteronomy 2, starting in verse 9, 9 12. And the Lord said unto me, distress, not the Moabites. He's talking to Moses. He's saying, israel, when you guys go and take over the land, don't distress the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle, because I will not give you of their land for a possession. Because I've given r unto the children of Lot for a possession. The Emims dwelt therein. Just translated terrors, which is also a giants tribe. You can study that out. But Emims is another tribe of giants. The Emims dwelt therein in times past. A people great and many and tall as the Anakims, which also were accounted giants. So it says it right there. Raphaim. That's. That's the Hebrew Raphaim. That's not Nephilim. It's Raphaim, but it's another word for giants. So the Emims dwelt therein in times past. Don't f with the Moabites, okay? I haven't given you their land. The Emims dwelt therein in time past. A people great and many and tall as the Anakims, which also were accounted giants. As the Anakims, but the Moabites called them imams. The Horems also dwelt in sire before time. But the children of Esau succeeded them when they had destroyed them from before them and dwelt in their steed as Israel did unto the land of his possession, which the Lord gave unto them. Bro, so it wasn't just Israel that was wiping out giants. There was other human tribes wiping out giants. That says that right there. That. That's chapter two, verses nine through twelve. But look at. Look at.

[Raven]

This is like the Timothy Albarino stuff as well. The people in Peru, there are like other. Like, Native American Indians. There's a lot of folklore about them murdering giants. They're all over the place.

[Sam]

Sure. I mean, they dig up the bones. Like. Like these stories of giants are on all the continents. Yeah, all the continents. It's not just even in one spot.

[Raven]

Just. We're right. You know, the Bible is about that. That side.

[Sam]

Sure. Yeah. All right, so chapter two, verse 16. So it came to pass when all the men of war were consumed and dead from among the people that the Lord spoke unto me, saying, you are to pass over through ar the coast of Moab this day, and when you come close over against the children of Amman, that's Jordan. Distress them not, nor meddle with them. For I will not give you of the land of the children of Amman any possession, because I have given it unto the children of Lot for a possession that also was accounted a land of giants. Giants dwelt therein in old time, and the Ammonites called them Zamzumims. There's. There's all these giants. Tribes, man. A people great and many and tall as the Anakims. But the Lord destroyed them before them. This gets heavy, bro. This Gets heavy. But the Lord destroyed them before them. What? So the children of Lot went in and took possession, and the Lord destroyed the giants before them. So, like, the same way that Israel marched into territory and we see their story in detail of God communicating with Moses and how they're going in and wiping out these tribes of giants. God did that with another people, not Israel. He did that with the children of Lot. I don't know. I'm intrigued by that. I would love to know the story. Was there a Moses figure? Like, was there a head of the children of Lot that was, like, spearheading this? Like, exactly how did this go down? We don't know. We don't know exactly how it went down.

[Raven]

This is a Gary Wayne thing. He probably. Bro, he's probably got something on that.

[Sam]

But the Lord destroyed them before them. I'd love to hear it. Because like I said, I never hear anybody talk about this passage, man. Yeah, it's always kind of alluded to the like, yeah, Israel did it, but nobody else. You know what I mean? But, dude, the Lord was communicating with the children of Lot to wipe out giants before them, to give them land.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Sam]

I don't know if people are ready for that. So the Lord gave other people land, too. Oh, I see what you're. No, I see. Cool. I see.

[Raven]

No, it's cool.

[Sam]

Okay. All right. So the Anakins, but the Lord destroyed them before them, and they succeeded them and dwelt in their steed, as he did to the children of Esau. What? He did it with the children of Esau, too. As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in sire when he destroyed the horims from before them. And they succeeded them and dwelt in their steed even unto this day. So I would just challenge people that pull up the passage. Jacob, I love, but Esau I hated. We know for a fact that's true. We know that that's true because the scripture says it. But I would just challenge you to meditate on that passage a little bit, and let's just kind of figure out exactly what God means by that. Clearly, he was operating through Esau and his descendants. Right? So maybe just take a little time and chew on that. Maybe if you don't have this passage, you think it means one thing, but with this passage in mind. Just think about that, man.

[Raven]

Well, what does that mean on blue Letter Bible where he says, I hate it? Is that a different thing?

[Sam]

I don't know. I think it's in regards to the very specific Calling of the lineage of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. And in that sense, he was called. They were called for a very specific destiny that the descendants that Esau wasn't called to. And remember, it goes Abraham, Ishmael. Right, Goes Abraham, Isaac, and Ishmael, Abraham. Abraham had both of those sons, but it goes Abraham, Isaac. And then Isaac had Jacob and Esau. Esau went and joined himself to Ishmael. And we don't have time to get into all that, but Esau went and joined himself to Ishmael. So those Arab tribes, they all. It's all Esau joining himself to Ishmael. And it's that lineage. Right? It's that lineage. Now, Israel was called to a very specific destiny to bring forth the Messiah, Esau. The descendants of Esau and Ishmael were not called to that destiny. There's a lot wrapped up in it. I don't want to get into it, because then all the reformed brothers are going to get upset. I don't want to do all that. But I just. I don't know. I just think a lot of this stuff is more complex than, like, we just don't get deep into it, man. Like, we just, like, go to church. We get like, an hour, which means maybe 15 minutes or 20 minutes of preaching. We never go deep on anything. But the scripture is deep and complex, and this is complex, man. But nevertheless, the Lord gave land to the descendants of Esau. He also gave land to the descendants of Lot, and he also went and destroyed giants before them so that they could inhabit the land. Like, that's a rad thing. I don't know. That's crazy to me, man. So anyway, I just kind of want to leave it at that, man. They're sons of God. They dwelt with. They. They hooked up with human women. It created giants. They're all through the Bible. We only read, like, a very small part of that.

[Raven]

We're not doing Ezekiel.

[Sam]

What do you mean?

[Raven]

I don't know. There's more scripture. You got Ezekiel.

[Sam]

We got to go to the next verse that we're dealing with. Three things right now we're dealing with. Do we have time?

[Raven]

Yeah, no, we got time.

[Sam]

I thought you're already someone to Raven. Getting funny, man.

[Raven]

You said you were wrapping it up. That's not good.

[Sam]

No, no, I'm not finished a thing. No, I got it. I got it. Okay, so. So we've got Israel as an example. Let's get back to Jude, because we were just there in Genesis 6. So that's one man's take on the. On exactly what went down in Genesis 6. Some of my greatest men of God that I read don't view it that way. And I don't know if that was. A lot of these dudes I read are 100 or 150 or 200 years older. So I don't know if maybe they didn't have the light back then, they couldn't see it the same. I don't know. I don't know what it is. But there's great men of God that didn't look at it like that was angels.

[Raven]

I find it as an older way of thinking. You'll see the older dudes like that. But there is a new generation that does kind of like hold on to that idea. And I think it skews the worldview. It skews their, like, their act, the accurate depiction of the Bible for them. But it takes away the supernatural, in my opinion.

[Sam]

Yeah, yeah, I think it's true, man. Well, and I think the most intriguing thing, which we don't even have in the notes, which is probably a total scandal, but Jesus said, as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. I mean, that's kind of why it matters, man. I mean, the main point he's getting at, like, the primary thing he's getting in that is that it's going to be a sudden. The coming of the Son of man's gonna be suddenly just like the flood was a suddenly it was just upon them. Suddenly when the rain started falling, it was too late. Like that. Like that's his primary point. But I think secondarily what he's saying in that is like, man, the same things that were going on in the days of Noah. He also says in the days a lot, which is interesting because that's what tight. That's what ties these two passages together, right? Because he. Because Jesus says in the days of Noah, so. So will be at the coming of the Son of Man and at the days of. As it was in the days a lot. So it will be the coming of the Son of man. Well, verse seven is about the days a lot. Verse six, I think, is the days of Noah.

[Raven]

In, in the book of Revelation, it talks about the. The beasts of the earth inhabiting the land in. In the end time. So like, what are the beasts of the earth? That begs a question of like, is that the days of Noah? We talking about the Nephilim? Are we talking about these kind of things returning? Possibly.

[Sam]

I don't Know.

[Raven]

I don't know.

[Sam]

That's more of an NDS thing. All right, all right, so can we pull up the amplified again for the. For that verse? Because. Because like I said, it's very intriguing how the amplified, like, makes no if, ands or buts about just. It really ties together that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was the same sin as the angels. That's incredibly intriguing. Okay, so we'll. So we'll read 5 and 6 again. Or 6 and 7. Sorry. And angels who did not keep their own designated place of power, but abandoned their proper dwelling place. These he has kept in eternal chains under the thick gloom of utter darkness for the judgment of the great day. Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the adjacent cities, since they, in the same way as these angels, indulged in gross immoral freedom and unnatural vice and sensual perversity, they are exhibited in plain sight as an example of. In undergoing the punishment of everlasting fire. So let's just dig into Sodom and Gomorrah a little bit. It says even as. Right? This is even as Sodom and Gomorrah in the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh are set forth an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Let's just pull up Ezekiel 16, 49 and 50, because sometimes people miss this man. Sometimes people.

[Raven]

It.

[Sam]

You know what's a really intriguing thing to me, and I don't even know if I can put it in a complex, like a. Like a fair enough, clear enough statement. But to me, there's like these. There's these two types of wickedness that man can go down, right? Like the Canaanites and everything going on in Canaan when Israel was sent in to wipe them out. That was more like. Like, in modern terms, what we would think of, like, crystal ball, palm reading, tarot card. Like the occult, right? Like, that stuff was really tied into the occult, man, horoscope stuff. Just wickedness and darkness was like magic, right? Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't appear to, like, be like that, right? But it's just as wicked. It's just a different kind of wicked. It's more like an American wickedness where it's just so, like, all the occult stuff in America is mostly, like, under the COVID right? Like the kids who go to the Taylor Swifty concerts, they don't know it. They don't know that they're tying into the occult. Like, it's very secret to them. It's, it's not blunt like that. Sodom and Gomorrah, I think is a lot like America in the sense that like, it was a very superficial, materialistic society just based on the materialism and, and superficiality of the day that they lived in. Right. But it, but it wasn't necessarily like the occult. It wasn't necessarily like a culture that was steeped in wizardry and sorcery and magic and things like this. But there's like two paths of wickedness it seems like that people can go on and it kind of seems like there's these two paths in the scripture. But. So let's look at Sodom and Gomorrah. Ezekiel. A lot of people missed this passage, but Ezekiel gives a really good explanation. He's talking to Israel. He says, behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom. He's talking to Israel. He's calling Sodom their sister. Pride, fullness of bread and abundance of idleness. I mean, I would say there's that in America.

[Raven]

Idleness meaning idols or not doing anything.

[Sam]

Lazy. Lazy, which, if you study the scripture, laziness is way more of a sin than like drunkenness. Like, like, which is weird because like in the modern American 501C3 system, they'll totally accept Laz, but they won't accept drunkenness. I'm not saying you should accept either one. I'm just saying like, laziness is a sin, dude. You get to live on the planet one time. You get to live on the planet one time. So don't be lazy. Like, go out and get your piece, man. Like go out and get a piece of life. Like you're gonna feel so stupid if you are dying or you're on your deathbed and you like didn't go do rad stuff during your life. Like, I kind of think you rather have regrets about things that you did and things that you didn't do. Like go get a piece of the action. So this is the sin of America. Prideful. Sorry, Sodom. Pride, fullness of bread and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters. Neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Remember, that's the job of the church. Now in America, that's gotten squirrely because Satan figured out a way to take the money from the people unwillingly. It's called taxes. They take it from them unwillingly. The people don't get to choose that. And then they give it to the so called poor. The government, so called, like Redis, they call like redistribution. So the government like takes it, runs up, I don't know how many trillions of dollars of debt. 30 something. Trillion in debt. They like take our money and then they give it to the poor. And so it's. Or like the so called poor who, who really knows? Obviously it's going way more places than the poor. But that's the job of the church, man. Like, like the church is supposed to be taking care of the poor. And so this was kind of brilliant to take that out of the hand of the church, have the so called government do it. And then the church is kind of twiddling its thumbs because it's like, who is the poor in this nation? Now that's a hard question, bro. I'm not saying there's not poor in this nation. I'm not saying we don't do outreaches in the hood because we do like we do at Thanksgiving, we do a cool one in the hood and it's really fun.

[Raven]

You guys got hoods here?

[Sam]

Yeah, yeah, dude. Yeah, Wildwood, bro. There's a neighborhood that we go to that looks like third world country, man. Like, you know, houses that don't. That have concrete floors and plywood for a door, People don't know. So, so yeah, I mean, in general, I don't know the poverty in this nation, you may still have a cell phone and you may still have access to food, you know, but like, so it's different than other time periods. But, but that's just, that's just a tough one because you see the people holding the sign, but then you find out the people that hold the sign can make like 300 bucks a day. Holding the sign, asking for money. You're just kind of like, okay, what am I supposed to do now? But anyway, they didn't strengthen the hand of the poor. And then what was the next verse? Because we were in 49 and 50 and they were haughty and committed abomination before me. Therefore I took them away as I saw. Good. So let's look at that abomination part. Sodom is in Genesis, chapter 19, verses 1 through 11. No, I just thought it was important to go a little slower today.

[Raven]

If it's I say anything I know say we got it up there.

[Sam]

I'm just saying if it's like kind of boring or.

[Raven]

No, no, you're going slow looking for it, but I got it pulled up.

[Sam]

No, no, I'm just saying in general, the whole thing today, I'm just trying to like go slow and paint this picture very Clearly, Yeah. Just want to paint it clear.

[Raven]

No, no, they need it. The people need that.

[Sam]

Okay. Genesis 19:1, verse 11. There came two angels telling you, man, these stories are connected. Verse 5 and verse 6. They are connected. There were two angels. There came two angels to Sodom at evening. And Lot sat in the gate of Sodom. And Lot, seeing them, rose up to meet them, and he bowed himself with his face towards the ground, and he said, behold, now, my lords, turn in. I pray you into your servant's house and tarry all night and wash your feet, and you shall rise up early and go on your way. And they said, no, but we will abide in the street all night. Like, these angels look like humans. Excuse me? They have all the attributes of humans, right? They look like humans. And he pressed upon them greatly, and they turned in unto him and entered into his house, and he made them a feast and did bake unleavened bread. And they did eat. So angels are eating now. Just take that all in.

[Raven]

These are the angels that didn't give.

[Sam]

Up their right, right. These are angels of God. They're not in heaven right now. They're on the earth. So that. So that one passage talked about the angels of God in heaven. These are angels of God on earth, which, if you want the whole backdrop, just read the chapter before verse, chapter 18. It's funny, lot's like, no, no, fellas, you don't want to be out in the street tonight. Please stay in my house. But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter. And they called unto Lot and said unto him, where are the men which came in to you this night? Bring them out unto us that we may know them. They don't mean, like, let's play chess.

[Raven]

They mean blap. Right?

[Sam]

Yes, whatever blap means. And Lot went out at the door unto them and shut the door after him and said, I pray you, brethren, don't do so wickedly. So the men of the city are banging on the door, give us those dudes. And so then Lot goes out, he says, hey, guys, guys, hold on. Don't do so wickedly. Behold, now I have two daughters which have not known man. He had more daughters than that. But these are the two that lived with him still that weren't married yet. Let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you and do to them as is good in your eyes. I don't know. I don't know why he said that? I don't. I don't know. I'm not going to unpack that right now. That seems crazy to me. I would never say that. I don't know. That's not the point of the story, though. Only unto these men do nothing. For therefore came they under the shadow of my roof, like I'm their protection and safety here. And they said, stand back. And they said again, this fellow came into sojourn, and now will he be a judge of us? Now let's deal worse with him than with those angels. And they pressed sore upon the man on lot and came near to break the door. But the men, the two angels put forth their hand and pulled lot into the house of them and shut the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they weary themselves to find the door. So this was that wickedness that's being alluded to in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, right?

[Raven]

It begs the question, could they have done something to these angels? Or like this, the story of the Tower of Babel. Could they have waged war against God if they did these things? Or was it always like, never, always, never going to happen?

[Sam]

It's a curious question. I don't know. I don't know, man. It looks like they were pretty serious about it, but I think the main point of that was they thought they were humans. You know what I mean? They were. They just seemed to be very attractive humans to these fellows, which. Which I think. I don't know if we want to even get into this, but, like, sodomy is different than just a boy is born with the urge to hump a boy. Right there is the dude here that spoke one time and he was actually in the Pulse nightclub shooting. He was living a homosexual lifestyle. But like, I. I think his dad was a pastor. But he had been around the Bible living a homosexual lifestyle. And he told the 55 and overs here that he was born that way. And they all just scoffed at him. They all just laughed. No, no, you're not born that way. And I, I really like this dude. He said, hey, that, that's nice for you, but you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm telling you my personal experience. I was born this way. This is what the man said. You don't get to pick the sins that Satan plagues you with. Be thankful you didn't get plagued with this sin. I was born this way. But after this experience in the Pulse nightclub. I knew that I had to repent and give my life to God, and I no longer live that lifestyle. That was, like, one of the heaviest things I've ever heard.

[Raven]

Somebody say, dude, you're talking about generational iniquity being passed down. But that type of.

[Sam]

I just don't know, bro. Like, I don't know what it would be like to be born with that urge, right? I don't know. Like, that would be an incredibly hard. Like, the dude said, you don't get to pick the sins. You get played with. He said, I was born this way, man. I had this urge. I know what it's like to have a ferocious appetite, to snort oxycontins and cocaine, right? Like, I. So I have a little bit of a taste of an idea of what he's talking about. To be born with an urge that you wish you weren't born with. So. So I get it in that sense, but when he said that, I just never heard somebody say it like, that dude. It was powerful, man. Like, we should track that dude down. I can get his info. He's got an incredible story, actually, man. But anyway, that's one thing to be born like that. It's another thing to have the parades and demand that everybody accept it and demand that they shove it down your throat and bang on your door and try to violently, like, take the dudes from you. That's sodomy. That's sodomy. That's this violent, aggressive spirit of homosexuality, right? So whatever. We just said it, like, that's. That's what that is. Now, here's the thing about Sodom, because some people say, well, no, this. This story in Jude doesn't fit, because Israel was the chosen people. They had light that they turned away from. The angels knew God. They had light they turned away from. Sodom wasn't a godly place. They didn't have any light. But I want to bring us back to that passage in John 1:9, where it says, jesus is the light that lights every man that comes into the world. And I want to pull up Romans 1. Can we go to Romans 1:16? Did I have it in the notes?

[Raven]

Yep, there it is.

[Sam]

So Sodom had a certain amount of light that they turned away from, even though they weren't chosen or elect, right? Like, people love these phrases today. Man chosen or elect, which I think just means access to the truth. But every man has a certain amount of access to the truth, which is exactly what Romans 1:1632 is going to tell us. For I'M not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ. For it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith. As it is written, the just shall live by faith because the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness, man. This is what Jude is keying in on man. Holding the truth in unrighteousness, turning the grace of God into lasciviousness. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them because God showed it unto them. Because the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made. He's saying that the fact that the unseen realm exists, you know that and you have proof of it. Because the seen realm exists. The invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen. They're invisible, but they're clearly seen. Being understood by the things that are seen or are made, even his eternal power and Godhead. So that they are without excuse. Because that when they knew God, they glorified him not as God and they weren't thankful, but became vain, meaningless in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened. I mean this is a state of most of humanity professing themselves to be wise. They became fools and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man into birds and four footed beasts and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lust of their own heart. God gave them up. Right? He just, he took his hand off because, because of that. Because they denied him as the Creator. He stepped away and said, okay. They said things like, oh, there's Darwinism or there's the Big bang. Everything came together by chance. We'll just call it evolution, but it really means chance. Like everything just happened. God says no problem because of that verse 24, God took His hand off. He gave them up to uncleanness through the lust of their own heart. He didn't give, he didn't put that on him. He just let them themselves and now the lust of their own heart to dishonor. To dishonor their own bodies between themselves. Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen. Right? So like imagine the people that are just all in for like saving the whales or saving the rainforest. Like, they've gotten this place where they're just. Which I love. Saving the whales and saving the rainforest, don't get me wrong. But they've gotten to this place where they worship the creation instead of the Creator. That's what I run into with all the food forest people, man. Like, I love food forest life, but it's like every time I do a thing in the food forest, I'm like, man, God is so rad. And a lot of food forest people, most that we meet are like, oh, Mother Nature is so rad. Or like, oh, the spirit or something. You know, something else is so rad. Like, we just give the credit to God. When we work the earth and we have the fruits growing, we're going, yeah, this is so cool, man. I've got. Right on. This is really cool how you made all this. I can only imagine what it was like before the curse.

[Raven]

This is what we struggle with on the show about the tenants of New Age stuff that have been taken. But they are. They're actually principles that God had created. And we've. We just forfeited them to.

[Sam]

They've been hijacked. Yeah.

[Raven]

And we, we kind of just leave them alone. And I don't think that's the right thing to do.

[Sam]

That's heavy. For this cause gave them. God gave them up. Right. He's saying it again. He didn't put it on them. He just. He just gave them up. He left them to himself. God gave them up on the vile affections. For even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. But they're still claiming to be all about nature. Right. Like, that's the intriguing thing about that. And likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust, one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And they. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, they had God in their knowledge, but they didn't like to retain God in their knowledge. God said, no problem, and gave them up to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not convenient, being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud boasters, inventors of evil things disobedient to parents without understanding, covenant breakers without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful, who, knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but. But have pleasure in them that do them. Damn. He's saying everybody's been given a certain amount of light, man. We read it in John 1. Jesus Christ is the light that lights every man that comes into the world. Yes, Sodom and Gomorrah may not have had the scriptures, but they had a certain amount of light. And the natural creation made it to where they have no excuse, man. The creation itself makes it to where humanity has no excuse. That's what this is saying. So we've got Israel, the chosen people, angels who were right there, close to God. They had. They clearly knew. They clearly had this connection to God. Sodom had a certain amount of light, not as much as them, but they turned away from God as well, which is exactly what Romans 1 is about. And this is exactly what Jude is keying in on. This is the whole point of the story. Jude is saying, look at these examples. Look at these examples in the scripture and of people who fell away in the punishment that happened to them because of it. Don't fall away. Stay the course. You're in the long game. You're in the long game. It's a long race. Stay the course and stay true to God. Remain faithful. We all know what it means to be like a faithful husband or a faithful wife. We understand that that means loyalty, be faithful and loyal to God. This is what the book of Jude is about, Sam.