Podcast Summary: "Strange Flesh | Straight Bible w/ Matt Hepner"

Nephilim Death Squad (TopLobsta Productions) — November 10, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts TopLobsta and Raven team up with guest Matt Hepner for a deep-dive into the biblical examples of apostasy, tackling themes around "strange flesh," the Nephilim, and spiritual dangers lurking in the church. The discussion uses a range of scriptural cross-references—especially the Book of Jude, Genesis 6, and Romans 1—to investigate the origins of giants, the nature of spiritual rebellion, and the lessons for modern believers.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Context: Jude's Urgent Plea Against Apostasy

• [03:00] The Book of Jude was initially to discuss "the common salvation," but Jude alters his intent mid-letter to directly warn believers to "earnestly contend for the faith."
  • Quote: “He’s talking to saved people about earnestly contending for the faith... there are certain men crept in unaware… turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness and denying… our Lord Jesus Christ.” – Sam [04:00]

2. Scriptural Deep Dives: Lessons from Israel and Apostasy

• [06:00] Numbers 32:11-13: Not everyone saved from Egypt entered the promised land—only those wholly faithful like Caleb and Joshua.

  • Theme: Past spiritual privilege doesn't guarantee future standing.

• [07:30] 1 Corinthians 10: Paul compares Israel's Red Sea crossing to Christian baptism, emphasizing that symbolic acts aren’t enough; obedience is required.

  • Quote: "Certain enemies on the other side of the water no longer had access to Israel…when you go through the baptism." – Sam [09:35]

• [12:25] Romans 11: Gentile believers are "grafted in" to the Jewish tree, but unbelief can sever even "natural" branches; spiritual vigilance is demanded.

• [15:50] Matthew 7:15-23: Danger of assuming salvation; Christ will reject many who thought external works were enough.

  • Quote: “There’s people that assume they are saved that are not. That’s clearly what that’s saying.” – Sam [17:30]

• [20:00] Key Idea: The difference between “many wonderful works” and “God’s works.” True fruit comes only from genuine faith and divine relationship.

3. The Fall of Angels: "Strange Flesh" and the Genesis 6 Controversy

Jude 1:6-7, Genesis 6 Cross-Examined

• [25:00] Jude moves from Israel's example of apostasy to the fallen angels—"the angels which kept not their first estate.”

  • Angels left their heavenly post and “their own habitation”—interpreted as literally leaving their spiritual bodies and realms.
  • Greek word study: “Oikerion” links to their “body”; only found here and 2 Corinthians 5:1-2.

• [31:55] Amplified Bible clears up ambiguity: Both Sodom and Gomorrah and the fallen angels indulged in “unnatural vice.” This ties Genesis 6 “sons of God” (angels) to the Nephilim narrative.

  • Quote: “The Amplified makes it incredibly clear… the same sin of Sodom and Gomorrah … is the same thing as how the angels sinned in verse 6.” – Sam [32:21]

• [36:07] Genesis 6: “Sons of God” (direct creations, i.e., angels) mate with “daughters of men,” producing Nephilim (giants).

  • Nephilim/Etymology: Word appears again in Numbers 13:33; Rephaim, Gibor, and other tribes of giants are referenced.
  • Theology: Sons of God = direct creations (Adam, angels; human line only after new birth). Believers become “sons of God” by new birth (John 1, Romans 8:14, 1 John 3:1-2).

• [45:20] Discussion of alternative views:

  • Some scholars posit “sons of God” were the line of Seth (not angels). Sam and Raven respectfully disagree, pointing out logical flaws:
    • “How did two humans create a hybrid giant?”
    • “How godly could the ‘sons of Seth’ really be if they’re sleeping with ungodly women?”

• [47:18] Sam’s view: Nephilim (giant hybrids) become the “demons” or wandering spirits after death, since their hybrid essence doesn't fit angelic or human afterlife realms.

• [48:32] Post-Flood giants puzzle:

  • Possible solutions: Another incursion by angels post-flood, or survivors through means like space departure (referencing Timothy Alberino’s "localized flood" theory, but Sam prefers a global flood with new incursions if necessary).

  • Quote: “God destroys them with the flood … now Satan knows God won’t flood the earth again... so, round two.” – Sam [50:46]

4. Israel, Giants, and the Broader Biblical Worldview

• [52:01] The need for Israel to wipe out whole giant tribes isn’t senseless brutality, but an act of divine judgment tied to a supernatural seed war (Genesis 3:15).

  • Other nations (Moabites, Ammonites, Children of Lot, Esau’s descendants) are also used by God to eradicate giant tribes (Deuteronomy 2:9-23).

• [54:31] The giants are a historical, multi-ethnic, pan-geographical phenomenon—narrated not only in the Bible but in the folklore of indigenous peoples worldwide.

5. Sodom, Gomorrah, and the Nature of “Strange Flesh”

• [63:17] Ezekiel 16:49-50 and Genesis 19:1-11 are cited to define Sodom’s sin: not just sexual perversion, but pride, idleness, apathy to the poor, and violent, aggressive spirituality.

  • Quote: “There are two types of wickedness… one like Canaan, steeped in the occult… Sodom and Gomorrah… more like American wickedness—superficial, materialistic.” – Sam [64:00]

• [69:34] Genesis 19’s angels demonstrate that God’s messengers on earth can appear fully human, even eating meals. The violent urge of Sodom’s men against these angels is a literal pursuit of “strange flesh.”

• [73:21] Powerful testimony: Discussion of sexual sin and orientation: being “born this way” is equated to having an involuntary urge, likened to addictions; repentance and surrender to God can override it.

6. The Light Given to All: General Revelation & Divine Justice

• [75:03] Romans 1:16-32: Even Sodom had a degree of spiritual "light" (general revelation in conscience and creation), thus their guilt before God.

  • Repeated phrase: "God gave them up"—to impurity, passions, reprobate minds—because of voluntary rejection of truth.
  • No one is without excuse: “The visible world proves the invisible.” (Paraphrased from Romans 1:20)

• [77:30] Modern application: Contemporary society’s obsession with creation/Nature at the expense of the Creator is identified as a key symptom of spiritual decay.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Past privilege does not guarantee future standing… Take heed, lest he also spare not you.” — Sam on Romans 11 [13:50]
• “There’s no such thing as fire without smoke… Faith without works is dead.” — Sam [20:15]
• “When those [Nephilim giants] died, those are the roaming spirits… Those are the demonic entities that can invade bodies.” — Sam [47:18]
• “He can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, because he’s sovereign.” — Sam on divine authority [52:12]
• “We are the people of all humans in history… given the most light. We have access to more truth than anyone ever.” — Sam [41:01]
• “The Bible is deep and complex, and this is complex, man… we never go deep on anything.” — Sam [57:15]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:00 — Setting the stage: Jude’s warning about apostasy.
• 06:00 — Israel as biblical example; Numbers and 1 Corinthians unpacked.
• 12:25 — Paul’s grafted-branches metaphor in Romans 11.
• 15:50 — Matthew 7: Dangers of false assurance.
• 25:00 — The fall of angels and “strange flesh” (Jude 1:6-7).
• 31:55 — The Amplified Bible clarifies the link between Genesis 6 and Sodom.
• 36:07 — Genesis 6 revisited: Nephilim, giants, and spiritual biology.
• 45:20 — Alternative interpretations, the “sons of Seth” problem.
• 47:18 — The origin of demons: Nephilim and hybrid spirits.
• 52:01 — Israel, other nations, and the extermination of ancient giants.
• 54:31 — Giants in global folklore and the broader supernatural narrative.
• 63:17 — Sodom’s sins versus Canaan’s: Superficial vs. occult wickedness.
• 69:34 — Genesis 19: angels and aggressive “strange flesh.”
• 73:21 — Testimony: sexuality, sin, and being “born this way.”
• 75:03 — Romans 1 and the universal “light” of revelation.

Tone & Style

Conversational but reverent, Sam (Matt Hepner) grounds his teaching with a distinctive emphasis on scriptural clarity, occasionally riffing with Raven about conspiracies, modern misapplications, and the supernatural. The episode is dense with scripture cross-references, reflective pauses (“selah”), and a healthy skepticism toward both “dead formalities” in church life and shallow readings of biblical history.

Final Takeaway

This episode offers a robust challenge to listeners to reconsider the biblical warnings about apostasy—not as ancient cautionary tales, but as urgent instructions for today’s church. Whether one agrees fully with their supernatural reading of Genesis 6 or not, the hosts’ ultimate plea is clear: Don’t fall away. Stay vigilant. Remain faithful—and beware the lure of “strange flesh,” both literal and spiritual.

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