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SUNDAY SHARE: Temporary Temples: Crop Circles, Stone Circles, Ancient Geometry, & Non-Human Intelligence w/ Karen Alexander
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David
What's up, guys? Today's our day off, but we're still working for you. And today we're gonna bring you, like, a doubleheader sort of. First, we're, as part of Top Lobster Productions, we're bringing you one of our favorite content creators, Brad Lail. He's been on the podcast two times, three times now, David.
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Top Lobster
Three times we've seen him in person, hung out with them.
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Brad Lail
He's not.
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Top Lobster
He's not just one of my favorite content creators. He does have excellent content. He's a great guy. One of my favorite people. Always a pleasure to hang out with him, but he does make excellent content. Over at the Awaken Podcast, I think today we have a deep dive on crop circles, which is pretty cool.
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David
Yeah, he's touching on crop circles, stone circles, ancient geometry. It's one of his latest episodes. So I basically called him last night, and I was like, hey, I had this idea. We've been talking about it for a while, but, you know, we have an audience, and we want to show you more to our audience.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David
And we also don't want to make content on Sunday. And he's like, right, it sounds like a good idea. So I was like, pick a banger. Bring the heat. And we're going to share to our audience. Our audience. Hopefully, if you guys like it, you'll go over to his podcast, the Awakened Podcast. You follow him and whatever he's doing and grow his audience. Because this whole thing doesn't work unless we all kind of, like, incestuously support each other.
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Top Lobster
Right? Right. This is about building community, and I think this is probably a good way to do it. And I think we're gonna do this weekly. Right. This Sunday. Share concept. I think it's a good way to give some of our. Our peers in this space a little spotlight.
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David
We're giving back.
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Top Lobster
We're giving back to the community, guys. And like Top said, we're exposing you guys. If you like Nephilim Death Squad, then there's a real high Likelihood you're gonna like the Awakened podcast or any of the other people that we show you in the future on. On on Sunday shares. So I hope you guys enjoy this episode. And if you do, go and support Bradley Lail over at the Awaken Podcast, you can support him on YouTube and rumble and such, unlike us, who are currently not on YouTube.
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David
Yeah, that's fine. It's fine. We're gonna figure it out. We need some advice on what to do. But, yeah, he's actually gonna be on Tinfoil Hat soon. I had mentioned to Sam, or I guess I mentioned to Mark, the booker, that, that Brad is, you know, he's. He's has this theory on Plasma, which this episode's not about. So actually, yeah, go watch this episode then. Go watch our episode with Brad on Plasma. And then he has like a serious deep dive or I think he's got two or three episodes on his show about plasma and he knows a lot about it, but he's going to be on Tinfoil Hat soon to break it down as well. So you guys could be at the forefront of cutting edge conspiracy culture. Yeah. And content.
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Karen Alexander
Great.
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Top Lobster
That's great. So, guys, go and support Bradley Lail over at the Awakened Podcast and enjoy his deep dive on crop circles.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah.
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David
And without further ado, here we go. Here's Bradley Lail. This episode's called Contemporary Temples. Peace out, guys.
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Brad Lail
Everything you watch, read, or listen to is manipulating your energy. You're being lied to about the world you live in. You're being lied to about your history. You're being lied to about who you really are. Question.
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Karen Alexander
Foreign.
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Brad Lail
What'S up, everyone? And welcome back to the Awakened Podcast. I'm your host, Brad Leo, and as always, thank you so much for joining me on this awakening journey. In this episode, I'm joined by photographer, researcher, artist, and former psychotherapist Karen Alexander to talk about crop circles. For the past three decades, Karen and her partner Steve have studied plant samples, geometry, earth energies, and the consciousness aspect of crop circles. We discuss what crop circles are, who or what's making them, their geometric and symbolic curriculum, and their potential connection to the birth of a new world. This episode has current and future implications. So without further delay, let's get right into the conversation. All right. I'm here today with Karen Alexander from temporarytemples.co.uk. karen, how are you, man? Welcome to the show.
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Karen Alexander
I'm great, thank you.
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Brad Lail
If you don't mind, let everyone know a little bit about yourself and what kind of work you do.
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Karen Alexander
Okay. So. So, yep, I'm Karen Alexander and I'm from the uk and I have been looking at crop circles since I was in my early 20s, which is about 30 years ago now. And so all that time, myself and my husband Steve, we have been recording as many crop circles from the air as we can over those years and have literally flown over hundreds of them. And we work primarily in the uk, but we are obviously networked with other people around the globe because cropsicles are a global phenomenon. And although the centre seems to be here in the uk, they do happen in Europe, the Americas, Brazil. I think there was one just maybe a couple of months ago in Brazil. And I mean, it's been going on a very, very long time. It's a little bit sort of like the UFO subject, you know. How long has it been going on? Well, it's been going on a really long time. And yes, it's kind of one of those subjects that doesn't perhaps get as much attention as it should. It's absolutely fascinating subject. It's incredibly beautiful as well and, you know, and has a really wide and profound effect on people that come across it or interact with it. So, yeah, my background personally is in psychology, so I was a practicing therapist for a number of years. I no longer practice that. So I'm very interested and always have been very interested in the sort of the, the psychological side of it and also lending into maybe the spiritual side of it a little bit as well. And I've taken part in all kinds of research into this. So right from doing plant samplings, so sampling the plants inside that were then sent off for scientific analysis, I've done stuff on the consciousness side of it, looking at whether or not it's possible that human consciousness could affect the phenomenon and obviously the geometry of them. I draw the crop circles a lot. I teach other people to draw them as well. And so all kinds of different looking. I've looked at all kinds of different aspects of it over those 30 years.
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Brad Lail
When you mentioned the consciousness of it, I'm very interested in that obviously as well. I didn't even think about that aspect of it, but because I've been thinking about the spirituality aspect spec of it, but not necessarily the, the consciousness aspect. Is there a tie in to maybe like Schumann resonance with these crop circles? Well, I guess, I guess what we should, what we should start off with is like a basic explanation of what crop circle circles are. So what are crop circles?
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Karen Alexander
Okay, so at, at the very, very basic level, they are circles swept or pressed into crops and the crop itself isn't cut or really damaged in any way. The crops inside. When you walk inside a crop circle, they're very often laid down and then they'll be swirled so either clockwise or counterclockwise. Some of them are very sophisticated on the ground. They can have weaving and knotting and all kinds of amazing things going on at ground level, but that's what they are at their most basic. They're not mown or the crop isn't removed at all. It stays as it is. How long has it been going on? Well, that's kind of how long is a piece of string, really? Certainly the earliest recorded circles photographically would probably go back to maybe the 1950s, maybe earlier, but there have been reports of crop circles going way back. And certainly, you know, you speak to, you know, the. The grandparents or great grandparents of farmers, and they'll tell you they remember playing in them as children and. And then, you know, there. There are some interesting woodcuts, you know, that go. Go back to the 1600s, which sort of showed something very similar to perhaps the crop circle. It's very difficult to know in this day and age whether it is or it isn't. I think they first started to come to the public's attention Perhaps from the mid-1970s onwards, and certainly by the late 80s, they were starting to be reported in the. In the press, in the mainstream press, particularly in the uk. And there was a real, sort of a real global interest in it because the shapes had gone from being perhaps just a circle in a field or a circle with a ring or maybe a group of circles, to things that were becoming more and more sophisticated. And by the time we got to 1990, that was a really big year for crop circles. There was a really big crop circle at a place called Alton Barnes in Wiltshire, which is sort of in the southern central England, and was eventually used on the COVID of the Led Zeppelin album, which is very good. And then, yes, then there was real interest. In fact, my other half has this really great photograph of, you know, there is this big field. This is where the big Led Zeppelin circle was. And there's a long road that comes down the side, snaking down the side of the field, and all the cars are parked on either side of this road because people wanted to have a look. People stood on the roofs of their cars looking down into the field and you couldn't pass the road. There were just so many people there. So it really caused a big stir. Kind of a bit like when you have a UFO flap and you Know, everybody's interested in what's going on. Everybody's fascinated and kind of awed by it all. And that's kind of how it stayed for a year, maybe a year and a half. And there were questions being asked about it in the Houses of Parliament here, which is kind of like your Congress in America. And then it kind of all got shut down, really, because that's when the first big story about crop circles being hoaxed was put. Put out in the media. And it was a great shame. It kind of. It kind of burst the bubble in the subject a lot, and a lot of people thought, oh, well, okay, it was nice while it lasted, and, you know, if they went to their normal lives again. But of course, the crop circles didn't stop happening. And in fact, over, you know, especially during the 90s and the early 2000s, some of them got increasingly large and increasingly complex. And. But at that point, it had kind of, as I said, it had kind of really burst the bubble of. Of mainstream public interest in it. And so now and again, there would. The press might. You know, if there was something really amazing in a field, the press might cover it, but that way, you know, that's kind of the way of these things, I think. And I do think there was probably an element needing to shut it down a little bit. I think the powers that be were a little bit worried about how the public were reacting to it. Not that it was in any negative way whatsoever, but I think that they felt that it was getting a little bit out of control and that something needed to be done to dampen it down. And I'm still actually a great believer that that's, in fact what happened in the uk which is very sad, but it is the way of things very often.
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Brad Lail
You think they were putting out a hoax intentionally, is what you're saying?
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Karen Alexander
Yes, I do. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. The story was actually the big story. The big hoaxing story was actually running a newspaper called the Today newspaper, which is no longer around in the UK but actually the. The news agency that that story came from, nobody could ever track it down. And, you know, so it was very, very interesting where that story. Story came from in the first place. But, yes, I do. I think. I think people. I think there were people in certain parts of the government that were very, very worried about, you know, the. The possible effects that this might be having on. On the public. You know, that it was getting them a little bit overexcited, basically, which I. I think they didn't like. So what else can I tell you about them. I can tell you that they, they appear in all kinds of crops and plants. So depending where you are in the world, it depends on what crops they appear in. So in the US for instance, you get a lot in what we would call maize, but you call corn or soy because you grow a lot of that in the us it tends to be wheat and barley in the uk, but sometimes it can be in things like canola, which has those beautiful yellow flowers on it, or sometimes borage here, or even linseed which have like these blue and purple flowers on it. I've seen them in also in beans. So kind of lots and lots of different crops kind of depending on what's being grown and where. In fact, I think just a few years ago there was one in mustard seed. So it, yeah, it kind of depends. And obviously they follow the crop growing season wherever you are in the world. So. So in the UK they can begin anytime from sort of late April, May time, right the way through perhaps to the end of August when all the fields are brought in. And that's the same for each country. So there's a seasonality to it. I mean, and obviously if there's nothing for them to appear in, they won't appear. So they do. You know, the average size of a crop circle in the UK is about 200ft in diameter, which is pretty big. And one of the biggest ones we've had was about a thousand feet across. Most of them appear overnight, so there's nothing there the night before. They're there complete and finished the next morning. Sometimes they're spotted very early in the morning as well, just as the sun's coming up. People sometimes go out and night watch over the fields. So there's that to it. There's also a relationship certainly with balls of light and crop circles. Balls of light have been filmed a lot around the crop circles and certainly my other half Steve videoed one back in 1990, but we've seen them many times since then and many other people have. There are quite a few videos around showing lights associated with, with the circles. So that's very interesting. They also have other effects too. Sometimes animals have strange reactions to them. I remember being in a really big crop circle one year and the daughter of the farmer had, hey, it is Ryan Seacrest.
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Karen Alexander
Her horse. I wanted to bring her horse up the field and into the crop circle. The horse was having none of it and, you know, reared up and she had to turn the horse around and he was having none of it. Yep. So, yeah, there are things like that. Sometimes dogs are very wary about going into the fields as well, if you have dogs with you. So there's a little bit of that too, but yeah, it's. It kind of ticks all the. The kind of boxes for something akin. Not. Not quite the same as the UFO subject, but something akin to it, something like that going on with it. So it's. You know, people have strange reactions to them as well. You know, sometimes people go in and they'll complain of a headache or not feeling well where other people will go in and feel completely elated. So it's kind of a mishmash of things. But I think there is something about them that is certainly unnerving for some people and for some animals as well.
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Brad Lail
Where are they usually located with regards to, like, are they near fissures or fault lines or streams, volcanoes? Stone circles?
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Karen Alexander
Good question. Yeah. They tend to be around sites of ancient human culture. So in the uk, obviously we. We have a big ancient megalithic culture that. That use big stones. So places like Stonehenge or Avebury, which is actually the largest stone circle in Europe and not as well known as Stonehenge. Aviary has been the centre of crop circle appearances for many years. But there are lots of other places. Actually. The English landscape, particularly in the south, is littered with hill forts and just other ancient human settlements. And the crop circles tend to congregate around those. They also do that pretty much everywhere. So even in the us, you know, there have been some really interesting circles around places like Serpent Mound in Ohio and in Europe, obviously there are. There. There were megalithic cultures there, particularly in France and Germany and so on. So that's where the crop circles tend to happen over there. So there is kind of like this love affair between our ancient cultures and then this modern phenomenon of. Of the crop circles.
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Brad Lail
So you don't think there's any association with volcanoes and faults and things like that?
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Karen Alexander
I haven't heard of any crop circles per se, near a volcano. Fault lines. It's possible. It's Difficult to know. Certainly in the uk, they tend to happen where there is chalk and underground water. So a lot of the hills in Wiltshire and in Sussex in southern England are. They're chalk. It's chalkland. And then there will be underground aquifers as well. And that tends to be sort of where the crop circles appear. So that's an interesting kind of link as well, whether there's something. Whether the phenomenon uses something in the ground itself to help facilitate the making of the circles. You know, that's been something that's been.
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Brad Lail
Considered as well, like energies, maybe magnetic or electromagnetic energies coming from the flow of water.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah. Where you've got water and chalk, there is the possibility of piezoelectric kind of effects. So a lot of people talk about Earth lights being particularly seen in those kinds of areas.
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Brad Lail
So, I'm sorry, what are they called? Earth lights?
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Karen Alexander
Is that what you said, Earth lights? Yeah, yeah. It's. Well, it's kind of like, you know, as you were mentioning, so sort of the idea of, you know, fault lines or volcanic lines where there is, you know, particular stresses on the Earth that it cause, like this piezoelectric effect and create light phenomena. So, you know, is there something to do with that? To do with the crop circles is something that has been considered, but I mean, obviously not proven in any way.
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Brad Lail
Is there a lot of talk in. In your circles, no pun intended, about ley lines and things like that?
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, absolutely. In fact, one of the. The. The first big researchers into the crop circles was a guy called John Michel, and he wrote this wonderful book called the New View Over Atlantis. And so he was very interested in that kind of thing. So he was interested in obviously, megalithic culture and then also in the sort of the fairy stories as well, because we have a lot of fairy kind of lore in the UK as well. So there would be things like Will o'the Wisp, which was the light. The light that kind of would lead people astray and. Yes, so earthlights is a term that John would recognize to. To describe these strange lights that. That people see in the landscape. So. Yeah.
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Brad Lail
Okay, so Earth lights are the same as orbs or ball lightning.
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Karen Alexander
Okay, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right.
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Brad Lail
I was trying to figure that out while ago, but I assumed that's what it was. But, yeah, yeah, that's always the case. There's always, like, orbs and lights and things like that flying around these. These. What I'm assuming is highly magnetic or electro.
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Magnetic energy pools, energy vortexes, whatever you want to call them. I actually, I actually think of it as telluric currents that are, you know, flowing underground that's coming out of fissures and sort of spinning up this magnetic, these magnetic vortexes around these different areas. And so I actually think that, you know, Aveberry and Stonehenge and things like that were designed to kind of encircle those currents and kind of keep them in one area and possibly to communicate, you know, spiritually in some way. But who, who or what do you think are causing or creating these things? That's. I know it's probably a loaded question because there's a lot of different avenues to go down, but.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, yeah, there are. I mean, I mean, I think one of the things I've always tried to do is just to have a really open mind about it. I mean, obviously not so open that your brain falls out, but. Yeah, but you know, just to, just to have an unfailing dedication to having an open mind about it. I think actually, I think there are probably many things at work. I think some of the things that we've just been discussing about, you know, about faults or energies within the Earth is certainly a part of it. I also think there's perhaps, you know, some kind of aerial component to it as well. Maybe a kind of coming together, if you like, of things from the air and things from the ground. Are some of them man made? Absolutely, they are. I, you know, I, you know, I'm kind of not so open minded that I don't consider, consider that or close minded. But I think, I think there are enough, there's enough evidence now to suggest that there's something more to it than that, just that. And so, so that's where I, you know, that's where I've tended to, to concentrate my interest. So do I think, I think there is some kind of other intelligence involved with this in some way, and certainly one that has, for some reason has a reverence or a connection to our ancient ancestors. And certainly ones that talk in a very similar language to them. Because, of course, you know, all the stone circles, you know, all the megalithic sites are, you know, while they may have an Earth energies component to them, they are also linked to astronomy. So, you know, Stonehenge was about the movement of the sun and the moon. And you can use Stonehenge to predict eclipses to this day. And it's the same with Avebury as well, that looked at the movements, particularly of the moon. So, yes, all the megalithic sites, I think are connected to astronomy, ancient astronomy, which also means that they're connected to ancient geometry as well. So when we look at things like take for instance, Stonehenge, because it's something that everybody recognizes, there is a geometry to Stonehenge and it's a sophisticated geometry as well. And I mean, our ancient ancestors, geometry was very important to them because of its connection to astronomy.
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Karen Alexander
See terms and conditions 18/ so and you find the same kind of ratios and proportions in the crop circles that you do in stone circles. When we're looking at something like Stonehenge, for instance, there is an inherent 12 and 7 fold geometry in its construction. We often find those numbers in the crop circles as well. There is that link. Whatever this is, it's kind of tipping its hat in some way to our ancient ancestors and what they knew and speaks to us in a very, very similar language. So it may be that whatever this is was speaking to our ancestors as well at some point.
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Brad Lail
I saw something you mentioned. One of the earliest accounts was in the 1600s and it might have been on your website where I saw. Was it called the Mowing Devil?
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Karen Alexander
The Mowing Devil? Yeah.
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Brad Lail
Okay. So like, do you think that, you know, previous our ancestors, I guess you could say, had a sense of who these things are or were then? I mean, if they were calling it devil, why were they calling it devil? Was it because there were things flying in the sky and things like that?
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Karen Alexander
No. So let me, let me tell you the story very quickly. So the Mowing Devil is. It's a woodcut from the 1600s and it shows the devil mowing crop into a circle. And the story goes a little bit like this that there was a farmer who was looking for someone to help bring his fields in at the end of the summer. And he was going around asking people to help. And when they told him what it, what they were, what it would cost them, cost him to hire them in to do this, he said, oh well, better, better the devil mow it. And that's the story. Yeah, so. So that's the kind of story of it. I, I think perhaps if they were seen that, that far in, in those times, it would have been, I think it would have been more associated with fairy law and the idea of fairy rings in, in the uk, I think it would have been seen as part of that rather than the work of the devil. Yeah.
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Brad Lail
So that's why, you know, you guys call them fairies. I mean that orbs, lights, they're all the same things to me. Right.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, they are. They're kind of, yeah, that, I mean, you know, we would perhaps call them earth spirits or something like that. Yeah, yeah. It's the same kind of thing. Yeah.
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Brad Lail
Do you think that there is a tie in to the angels and demons lure of ancient history? I mean, every, you know, that's something that goes back for forever, seemingly forever.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's very interesting, isn't it? Again, I think, you know, there are links with Stonehenge to that, you know, that it's like the great story of Uriel's machine. And in fact there's a book by that Title. And it talks about, you know, again, this idea of this ancestor civilization that was heavily invested in astronomy and in some kind of spiritual connection with the sky. So, yes, I do think there's a connection to that on that level.
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Brad Lail
Yeah. Are they. So you don't think that they're being maybe created by occultists or alchemists or anything like that, that, you know, with some sort of magic spells? I mean, this is. I'm just kind of exploring other ideas here. I'm not really.
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Karen Alexander
I don't. I. I don't think so. I. I think whatever. Whatever this is. When I look at the crop circles in detail, which I do, particularly the way they're designed, you get glimpses of just a prodigious intellect behind them. I've been working on one particular circle just lately, which is a. It was a huge crop circle. It. It appeared back in 2008. It was about 600ft in diameter, and it was made up of a series of 12 geometric swallows. Just. It was. It's just magnificent. And. And I. The way I always approach these things now is that I obviously, I want to know about the geometry. I want to know how it's put together. So that's part of what I work out. And then I also look at the symbolism that's being employed, what. What is being conveyed here. And, you know, and obviously the swallow has many, many interesting mythological connections to it, you know, but it, you know, it. I'm trying to think of the best way to kind of say this, but it's connected to things like being messengers of the gods. Birds are always seen as either messengers or they are beings of the higher realms, because, particularly swallows, because they very rarely ever land on the ground. They're a bird of higher places. And in ancient Egypt, they were seen as the herald of a new dawn, which is very interesting. And also, the swallows, like the crop circles, are summer visitors here to the uk. So they're migratory birds. They're only ever here in the summer, which is just like the crop circle. So there are all sorts of things going on on that level as well. So I think whatever this is, it communicates in a completely unique way. It marries symbolism from human cultures, but then with this transcendent geometry as well. So, you know, whatever this is, it knows us kind of very well and knows us enough to be able to speak to us using our own cultural references, but then kind of marries it with this, you know, fantastic sort of geometry and then placement in the landscape. I mean, these things are here to grab our Attention, you know, if you see, you know, a 600 foot shape in a field, you're going to pay attention to it. So it wants your attention. I mean, also the way these things are made on the ground. So for instance, the way that the geometry works in the crop circles is that it always allows space for people to walk inside it. So, so normally when you, you draw geometry, you say you drew two circles and they were intersecting, there would be a place where those circles would meet, but in the crop circle that would be slightly pulled apart so that there would be access to all parts of the interior of the design. So these things are designed for people to spend time in. And, you know, they. I think this is important because the other thing that happens is people's reaction to them. And I think very often it's like, it's very similar to the effect you ever get if you walk in a fantastic Gothic cathedral or maybe an ancient Egyptian temple. And what people don't realize is that, you know, number and geometry, it's actually frozen music because it uses the same kind of intervals, the same kind of, say, proportions and ratios. And music has a very profound effect on the human psyche. And I think on some level, when you interact with architecture, whether it's, you know, your Gothic cathedral or your 600 foot crop circle, it has a subliminal effect that is very, very similar to music. And, you know, it can lift the spirit, it can, you know, cause awe and wonder. You know, it can do all of those things and it does these things very often without you even realizing it's happening. So, you know, people go in and they think, wow, I'm having this amazing experience and not really kind of understanding all the elements that are actually at play. And maybe that these things are designed to do just that. I mean, the amount of people I met over the years who would say, I've had some of the most amazing conversations I've ever had about life, the universe and everything inside a crop circle with somebody I'd never met before, you know, is. I've heard that story so many times over the years, and it's happened to me too. But I think these places, I think these things are designed to evoke exactly that in human beings, to get them thinking about the bigger, the wider, the deeper, and to open our minds.
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Brad Lail
Yeah, There's a lady named Tanya Harris from the UK who's done a lot of work on cymatics with buildings. And I actually think of a lot of buildings as, like you just said, frozen music. Yeah, that's, yeah. And so when people go into churches and things like that, and you can even see a lot of the cymatic patterns on windows and things like that inside of churches, there's. There's a natural resonance with the building. And so when people are in it, they have these. It's almost like a healing property. And couple that with the harmonies of people singing and interacting with each other, then there you can see why these places are spiritual experiences. So do you think that these things are like giving us some kind of positive spiritual messages or do you think that because some people interact with them negatively, do you think that some people might be getting negative interaction? Negative spiritual messages? I guess you could say, depending on. Yeah, I'm sorry, depending on like who that person is and what their resonance is and things like.
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Karen Alexander
Exactly, exactly. You're exactly right. So. So yes, I think on the whole they are mostly incredibly positive. But I have come across one or two that I've been in and I'm thinking I feel quite unsettled here. And I think that is to do with a dissonance rather than a resonance. And that's probably to do with me. So, you know, I think you're not always going to react well to every situation that you find yourself in, geometrically, if you want to call it that. And there have been a couple where I thought, no, this isn't quite sitting okay with me, and I just move out. But most of the time it's an incredibly positive experience that people have. I mean, sometimes people misinterpret their negative experiences as well. I mean, one of the things that you have to be careful of, of course, is that if you go out in the middle of the field on a sunny day and you've not had a drink or you've not got something to cover your head, you're going to get a headache. And you know, so it sometimes is a little bit of that to it as well. And also, I mean, we spray chemicals on our.
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You know, which is not going to make you feel great. So, so yeah, I think you, you know, you just have to take into consider a little bit of common sense sense. But most of the time that the, the, the experiences with this are really positive and this is a very. It's kind of. It's a very English thing, I actually think, because it's quite, it's quite genteel and while, while some of it is in you. Is in your face and I can understand why people find it challenging and why some people might be frightened by it. On, on the whole it is at. It's. It's something that you go to. You're not forced to interact with this. It's something that you choose to interact with, I guess, unless you're a father maybe. But. But yeah, I think on the whole this is a very positive thing and it's. Yeah, it's something that you're invited to, but you're not forced into.
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Brad Lail
Do you ever do any form of meditation or praying or anything would or not just you. But do people normally do that? Is that like a regular thing?
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, I think it is because I think, I think when you go in. In one of these formations that you want to walk around and have a look and. But then eventually people kind of find a quiet spot for themselves and they just sit and contemplate the whole thing. And you know, you do see people meditating in quite. It just feels like sometimes it's the right thing to do. It kind of puts you in that frame of mind if you like. So yeah, it is something that people, people do a lot. And again, I think this is all part of the kind of the effect on the unconscious effect on the psyche that kind of puts you in that frame of mind that you feel that you want to sit and quiet yourself and just be open to whatever it is that whatever experience comes. Yeah.
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Brad Lail
Are there. Do you ever see any negative interactions? Like if. As if people have gotten the Holy Spirit or something and then. And they're kind of, you know, something is taking control of their bodies and things like that? That might be a weird question, but I feel like when you, when you go to churches and in the south, there's a lot of churches that get the Holy Spirit and I think it. Yeah, it has to do with earth energies interacting with people and their willingness to allow something in and sort of take over their body.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah. I mean, I just think sometimes if you, if you are, as I say, if you are in that open state of mind and, and whatever that, that you do, you do, you are open to whatever comes, you know. So, you know, I think you have to be sensible about it. It doesn't, I don't think I've ever seen a really negative effect on somebody like that. I've seen somebody. I think I've seen people who felt quite nauseous inside a circle. But again, it's so hard to know. Is that a little bit of sunstroke, is it that, you know, that they've been touching the crops and then they've had their hands around their mouth or whatever, you know, so it's, it's very, it's very difficult. But personally, I don't think I've, I've seen that.
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Brad Lail
No, I don't. And I want to clarify too. I don't think that the Holy Spirit is a negative experience.
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Karen Alexander
No, no.
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Brad Lail
Yeah. I've. From my experience going to different churches that have, where people have interacted with the Holy Spirit, they sometimes look uncomfortable, like it's. Something is uncomfortable in their bodies. They're shaking, they're sweating profusely, that kind of stuff. So, yeah, you're right. Just being out in the elements and being around the chemicals and stuff from the crops could, could have an effect on you, for sure. Do you look at these places as. Do they appear in the. Generally in the same spots every summer? Can you just know, like, oh, they're going to appear in this field or this farm this year?
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Karen Alexander
Yes and no. So let me explain that. So first of all, yes, there are places that do get a lot of circles on a repeat, repetitive basis. But it may be that in a certain area there could be several fields, you know, so it's not one of those situations where you could sort of mount a night watch every summer and know that something would definitely be in that particular field. It doesn't work quite like that, but. And I mean, obviously the countryside's a big place as well, but there are places like Avebury or there's another place called Etchell Hampton, which is a big hill and there are lots of fields around it. They get a lot of circles there mostly each year, but it could be in any one of a number of fields around there. So you can predict to a certain extent, maybe to an area, but not to a specific field.
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Brad Lail
Kind of a off the wall question, but do you, or do you think that these areas are portals to other dimensions? Or, or do you think that they maybe possibly almost like UFO EV charging stations where they come and kind of charge their batteries. And do you have an opinion on any of that? Of what they pot. What it possibly could be? Well, I guess I never really asked. What do you think the main, what is your main theory on what they are after looking at this stuff for so many years and then I guess you could answer that next question.
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Karen Alexander
Well, as I say, I think, I think, I do think that there is some other non human intelligence that interacts with people in and around these circles. So I definitely think that just, again.
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Brad Lail
Just to make that clear is what that was. I know we've talked about it. There is, there is a extra energy field interaction, Earth geometry, all that stuff. But I wanted to get a very specific answer. I guess you could say, yeah, yeah.
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Karen Alexander
That will do it. And do I think they are portals.
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Brad Lail
Like portal markings or door, like as if they're marking for other.
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Karen Alexander
I think, yeah, I think there are places in the landscape, whether it's because of years of human spiritual activity, that are where I would say that the veil runs a little thin and that you are more likely to come into contact with something that we would not expect to see in our world paradigm. And so yeah, I think there are places like natural springs and places like that, as I say, that have been the concentration of human spiritual activity for thousands of years. And I do think that they are very special places that have a very powerful effect on the psyche. Definitely.
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Brad Lail
Speaking of having that special effect on the psyche, you mentioned earlier about the psychology of it from a consciousness level. Do you think, I mean, have you heard of the Schumann? I'm assuming you have, you've heard of the Schumann resonance?
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Karen Alexander
Oh, yeah.
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Brad Lail
Okay. So like.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah.
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Brad Lail
Do you think that these things are created by, you know, like, like major events when Princess Diana died or, or when there's a World cup or when, you know, there's a. The flood in, in Thailand or whatever the case is. Like, do you think that these are created by these world events by our connected consciousness on Earth?
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Karen Alexander
I'm not so sure about that. I think they do respond to things like that though. I think there seems to be a sense of awareness of that. I think the crop circles are more like a teaching curriculum. I think that they teach as an ancient science. If you like you talked about your friend that you'd been talking to about Hans Jenny's work on cymatics, and I was first introduced to that back in the mid-1990s because I, I saw similarities between many crop circle designs and the designs that were that were frequently seen in, in cymatic experiments. So, so I, I think it's, you know, and again, that, that links into the idea of proportion, number, geometry, ratio and all of that. Those are all part and parcel of, of that. And of course, geometry is the thing that underpins all matter in the universe. It's the, it's the ordering principle, if you like. So I think we're being reminded of that, and I think that's why very often they happen near our ancient sites, because they're drawing a line that they're, they're saying there's something here which we recognize and value and we want to, you know, to, to show you that. So I do think there is that. You look at the way in which the crop circle geometry has unfolded over the years. So as I say, they started off often as very simple circles. And then you would get circles with a ring around, or then you would get five circles that look like the five dots on a dice. Well, there's a geometry to that. And it was very evident early on that there was some kind of, you know, geometric curriculum to this. So by the time we got to, let's say, 1999, we had our first cube as a crop circle. So the, the circle used what we call isometric projection to show a cube. So, and then we've had five dimensional cube images and four dimension. We've had hypercubes. So there is a, a real step.
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Geometric kind of curriculum. But there's also been a symbolic curriculum as well. So I think it's, it's really interesting when you, when you draw parallels, certainly between what goes on with the crop circles and our ancient megalithic cultures. But then with a culture maybe like ancient Egypt, which used symbols in its hieroglyphics, there's a big connection to be made there in the way that this kind of language operates. And I do think it is a language not in the traditional sense, that it's a puzzle or a code or that we're being given blueprints to a time machine or anything like that? I don't think that. But I do think that that what, what we are being shown is that there is kind of like this universal language that marries that, this kind of ancient organizing principle of the universe with perhaps, you know, the culture of whoever is writing or whoever you're speaking to.
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Karen Alexander
So I do, I think it's as sophisticated as that. Yep.
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Brad Lail
This would assume that we are a lesser intelligent species that would need to be guided and would thus mean that they're like, how come we, we wouldn't know these things intrinsically? Is it being hidden from us or is it like, I don't know, I don't know how to ask this question, I guess you could say.
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Karen Alexander
But like, I think no, I think I understand what you're getting at here. I think the answer is no. I think. Does it, does it necessarily mean that somehow they're better than us? No, I don't think that's, that's necessarily true. I think we're being asked to remember some of this because I think that's the connection to the past is we're being asked to remember it. But I also think there's an element here of needing to be in the right state of consciousness to understand It. So I think, yeah, so I think there's an element of that. And again, what these designs do is that they put you in a slightly different state of consciousness. And when you sort of do that, when you're looking at the circles, particularly when you're working with them intent, intensely, all kinds of things come. You know, I had a great mentor for many, many years who was my crop circle and geometry mentor. And sadly we lost him in, in 2020. But you know, he, he would say, you know, this is an intelligence test. You know that, you know that the crop circles were, were put on the ground as like toys in the nursery to see what we would make of them. Were we going to pass the test and realize that there was something important going on here. And I think there's an element of that. But I don't think that this is a language that we wouldn't be able to understand otherwise it would be pointless even trying it in the first place. But I think this is like a school of learning to speak a universal language. But I do think that our state of consciousness is incredibly important in being able to understand it fully.
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Brad Lail
Do you think that our governments of the world know these things and are keeping this information from us potentially? Because like, if we can go to these areas and interact with these earth energies and increase our level of consciousness and awareness and intellectual, do you think that they have a vested interest in hiding this stuff from us, so to speak?
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Karen Alexander
It's interesting question, isn't it? I mean that, I mean one has to say to an extent, yes, because, you know, as I said, when the crop circles first started to appear and people got really interested in them, I think that started to sound alarm bells and I just think it's because they don't know what would happen if it were allowed to go too far and, and whether or not that would present a problem to societal cohesion. So I think, I think the concern is on that level, you know, I mean, it's like, you know, we know that governments are very interested in certain cults and sects that grow up. They want to know what's going on with them. They worry about societal cohesion with these things. So I think there is definitely that level to it. I think the idea of a non human intelligence and people interacting with it on a personal level must be quite alarming, you know, because that's when things like being an authority breaks down. Who, who do people look to? Who, who are people going to listen to? So I think, I think there's that some of that to it, too. However, I don't, I don't think it has to be that way. I, I think that whatever this, this to me, this kind of process of an evolution in consciousness to becoming sort of part of a cosmic society, if you like, I don't think it needs to be that frightening. It will. I mean, whatever happens, it will happen over a long period of time. It's not going to happen overnight. I don't think we've got. We've got a little way to go yet. And, and it could actually be an incredibly positive and transformative thing. But I can see why people would be alarmed by that, certainly people who feel it's their responsibility to somehow make sure that society is safe and operates in a safe way. But I think there, you know, I think there are other things that really they should be worried about rather than this. I also think. Yes. Do they keep it from us, what they know? Yes, I think they do. I think there are all sorts of reasons that they might do that, I think A. Because they might want to know first before anybody else. And again, it's from that idea of wanting maybe to. To use something and exploit it somehow. You know, you've only got to look at the, the, you know, the experiments that have been done over the years on human consciousness by our own military and intelligence services. So, yes, I, I can see why there is a concern there, but I also think that they really shouldn't be as frightened as they are of it.
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Brad Lail
The. Has there been an increase over the last few years in, in crop circles or. Because I, I kind of am in the, in this camp that we are. The veil is thinning a little bit more. We're going to be seeing more of this stuff. We're going to be interacting with this stuff. Has there been an increase since 2020 in particular?
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Karen Alexander
Well, I think that there had been an increase for a long, long time in the crop circles until around 2012, and it seemed to reach a real peak then. And then since then, numbers have started to dwindle. So. But I think, having said that, the circles that we do get are fantastically interesting. And I think if I were to say anything, it would be that it's now about quality rather than quantity. So. So there's still, you know, and we've still got years and years of crop circles, you know, to, to go back and work on. I mean, it would keep you busy for a lifetime. Just the ones that have already happened that have not yet been worked on. So. So there's a. Yeah, there's a lot going on. But. But yes, numbers have have dwindled. I mean, this year was a particularly low year. There were all kinds of reasons for that. Some of them, some of it was environmental. We had one of the wettest winters on record in the UK last year and it meant that a lot of the fields were spoiled and they either didn't take properly or the farmers just had to rotate them in because they were. They'd been underwater too long. So there was, so there was some of that going on. And I think maybe that's, you know, we might see a lot more of that in the future, unfortunately.
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Brad Lail
Apply the number 2012, in at least the circles that I talk to, people I talk to all the time, seems to be a very interesting year that people sort of started to wake up to a lot of things.
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Karen Alexander
It.
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Brad Lail
That was my awakening year around that time, 2012, 2011. And you know, there was a, you know, the Mayan calendar, end of the end of the world 2012 kind of thing. Is there any, any interest or thoughts on that of the. The in the. Why 2012? I was actually inspect expecting you to say there was an increase in crop circles. Not a, not a decrease, not a decrease.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, 2012 was really interesting for all kinds of reasons. Even with the sort of the, the last Mayan calendar, if you like it, it kind of coincided with a time where we were coming to the end of a great astronomical year, which is the end of a process. It's about 26 and a half thousand years that we were coming to the end of this age world age. And, and in fact one of the last crop circles that summer had the number 2160 integrated into the geometry of it. And 2160 is the age, the period of time it takes to move from one age of the zodiac to the next. So that was really interesting. So there was a reflection of that going on in the fields as well as it actually happening. So I think world ages and. But I think that was also linked into the idea that somehow there is a new world out there, that we're birthing some kind of new paradigm, some kind of new understanding. And I think that's linked to many, many things. I think mostly, though, it's linked to the fact that we live in a world or reality which is much more complicated than we realize, and that we're, that our ancestors may have known much about, but we are now beginning to discover again, you know, and that we now got an opportunity to integrate that with also our modern understandings of the world. So I think that's why human beings are much more empowered this time around than maybe they were the last time. So it's very, very, I just think they are incredibly interesting times. And the crop circles are just one. They're kind of what I would call one of many transformative phenomena that are happening all over, you know, and people's awareness of these things, you know, whether it's things like people's growing interest, again in visionary states, you know, through Ayahuasca or dmt, that there's a lot of that going on. There's the UAP thing. There's this, again, this increasing interest in the mystical landscape and of contact with potential non or other than human intelligence, I think is a good way of putting it, actually. You know, that needn't necessarily be et that might be some of it, but not necessarily all of it. You know, that, you know, there may be whole realms of living systems around us of which we're just not, we're just not aware anymore. And it's almost like we've been through this kind of, we had, I think we had to go through this, you know, I think going through the idea of learning, you know, science and the scientific method and all of those ways of investigating the world that was really important to us as a, as a race, as a species. But now I think we've got the opportunity to sort of come full circle, if you like, and now to look at these things again with new eyes, you know, and maybe to find ourselves in a new paradigm.
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Brad Lail
Are you hopeful? I mean, do, do you have. I'm assuming you're a very intuitive person, because a lot of people who are in this kind of space naturally kind of feel more connected to energies, Earth energies or natural processes. Do you get a sense of something good coming or something bad coming?
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Karen Alexander
It's really interesting. I, I, yeah, I hope for the, you know, I hope for the best and, and yet fear the worst as well. It's kind of that one of those situations There, there are a lot of things that are wrong with our, with our world at the moment. You know, there are some terrible things happening and sometimes it feels like we're going backwards rather than going forwards. But I think at any point of any change, one of the things that, I mean, if you look at the human being, for instance, we hate change. We're not good at it. It's why a lot of us end up in therapy. You know, it's, you know, we just don't deal with it well. And I, and I think actually as a culture, we don't. So when we get to these pivot points, if you like, where our culture is about to change, you find that people hang on for dear life to things that belong to a past age until the last, very last minute with tooth and nail before they become washed in the new age, whatever that is. And I think there are many things in our society that become dysfunctional before then. We suddenly. That we don't see at the time. And then suddenly we do see, it becomes self evident. Why couldn't we see that? Well, we weren't ready to see it, you know, as a culture. And I think there's a lot of that going on as well. So it, I think when things are about to change, everything does feel very precarious. And I think people are, you know, full of, full of all kinds of anxieties about it and don't really understand why. And I think perhaps that's where we are right now.
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Brad Lail
Do you feel like you were being used as a vessel to convey this information in some way? You and your husband over, over the years? I'm not saying you're special in any regard. I'm just. No, no, I'm saying like, used in a way to help masses understand this kind of information.
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Karen Alexander
I guess I think the way we've always seen it is that we're here for people. So when people discover the crop circles, when they want to know more about them, when they're ready to know more about it, when they've decided that this is something that they want to pursue, that we're here, you know, that we can point them in, in a, in a direction, hopefully for good information and, you know, and. Yeah, and just, you know, to be there for people when they, they need us for whatever reason. And for many people, crop circles will never touch their lives. It won't be part of whatever transformation they're going through. They may find it in some other way. This is just one way that speaks to some people. And when people Feel like this is speaking to them, then we're here. That's kind of what we do. And also to keep an archive of it so that there's a record of as much as we can, because maybe one day this will be important long after we're gone, you know, for somebody else to come along and really understand in a completely different and new way. I mean, maybe once all the crop circle shapes have been entered faithfully into an AI, we may learn something tremendous about it. But I think maybe I might be gone by then.
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Brad Lail
Well, hopefully your work will continue to be around. And what I was asking is, do you think that you were kind of called to do this almost the way.
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Karen Alexander
Yes.
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Brad Lail
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Karen Alexander
I think that's a really good way of putting it, is to feel called to do it. Yes. And, you know, and I mean, probably like you, I know many people that feel the same way, that they feel particularly called to this, that this in particular spoke to them. I remember the first time I ever saw a crop circle. I was in my early 20s, and I saw a picture of one in a British newspaper, and it was in one of the big broadsheets, and it was kind of in the sense. So it's a really big picture. And I was just absolutely awed by it. And I. And I was just hooked. That was it. I just had to know everything that there was to know about it. You know, that's. It kind of grabs you like that, doesn't it? And so, yeah, I think being called to it is a really nice way of putting it.
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Brad Lail
Well, you mentioned the historic record, and I just wanted to. I looked at some of your art, and I just wanted to mention your art before we wrap it up here. Your art is amazing. And if you. If you don't mind, I'd like to show some on the videos on the show on the screen real quick, because I think it was. I think it's absolutely beautiful. And then you actually. You actually document. I don't know if folks out there can. Can you see this?
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Karen Alexander
I can see it. Yeah.
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Brad Lail
Okay. Oh, I'm at the wrong one. There we go. Beautiful stuff. And I clicked on this one and. And I've. I clicked on a bunch of them just to look through them. And you actually show the process of drawing, you know, these geometrical shapes and designs. And these are from real. Real crop circles that were. Were produced, right, that were produced in the ground.
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Karen Alexander
Yep, that's absolutely right. Yeah. Okay.
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Brad Lail
These are. These are incredible. And for those who are listening, if you want to Support her work. Please go check these amazing paintings out. And there's. Go to temp. You can go to temporarytemples.co.uk and look in the shop for all these paintings. And there's lots of books and everything on here as well and photographs that you guys could check out. And I, I wanted to ask about this one, though. I saw this one, it. Was this an actual crop circle or is this like a.
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Karen Alexander
No, it was actually a crop circle.
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Brad Lail
Yeah. That's why I was out the portal thing earlier. It's like so interesting. Yeah, that's so fascinating.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah.
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Brad Lail
But yeah, if you, if you guys want to check out the photo gallery, there's. You can look for. There's an archive of past photos, I'm assuming you and your husband and there's other photographers, I would imagine, that contribute to this as well.
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Karen Alexander
Yep, yep.
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Brad Lail
But man, these things are so incredible. These pictures are so incredible and beautiful. Yeah, amazing. And there's just no way that anybody could naturally do that. I mean, I can't even draw a circle on a piece of paper, much less do it over 900ft or, you know, 500ft or whatever it is.
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Karen Alexander
So, I mean, actually learning, learning to draw. The geometry of this gives you a real appreciation for the work of whoever does them because, you know, they're really. Some of them are very hard to draw on paper, never mind hundreds of feet in a field in the dark. Yep.
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Brad Lail
Yeah, exactly. I was painted. I was painting something the other day in my house and just pulling off the tape. When I pulled off the tape after painting, there was like paint all over everything and I was like, oh, I gotta touch up all these spots. And as I was touching up the spots, I was like doing like zigzag. Like, my hand was so shaky and unsteady. So there's no way that these things could be done by humans in some way. I'm sure they, I'm sure they can. I'm sure, like practice and all this stuff, people could probably do them, but to the scale and the design of them, it's very interesting. And they're always. And the reason I asked about the portal thing is because they're always spirals, they're always circular in shape.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, yeah. There's always a spiral element to them. Yep. Yeah, almost always. Yeah. And I mean, you know.
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Brad Lail
Yeah, you said it's almost like looking at things from a top view, though. So these things would have like four dimensional, five dimensional shapes is what you're saying.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, they have like. So one year we had a five dimensional cube. And actually what the design was, it was like the shadow that would be created in a 3D reality of a 5D cube. It was really beautiful as well. So yeah, I mean some of them are really amazing like that. And again, to me, hello, it is Ryan.
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Apply that you know, obviously there is a geometric element to that, but symbolically speaking, to me, that's the idea of there being a wider, deeper reality to which we are not currently aware.
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Brad Lail
Amazing, amazing stuff. Well, Karen, before we wrap this up, do you have anything else you want to plug or promote? Or maybe there's some researchers out there who need some love or photographers that you want to plug?
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Karen Alexander
First of all, I just want to say please go and have a look at our website. The archive contains hundreds of pictures. They go all the way back to 1994. So that's 30 years worth of pictures. It's completely free to use. You can, you know, it's an open resource. Please go and use it. And you know, if, if you'd like to support us, there are lots of different ways that you can do that, which is all on the website. You can have a look at that and follow us on our socials in the summer. We do put pictures out obviously of the latest ones that we're photographing. You can find me on all the normal social media. You just put my name in Karen Alexander or Steve Alexander. You'll find us because our feeds are full of crop circle pictures. And who else can I tell you about? Let me tell you about my colleague Gary King, who does do a, a crop circle related podcast. It's called against the Grain and you can find him on YouTube and on Facebook. He's a wonderfully knowledgeable researcher. I've known him many years. We've worked together on lots of different things. And his podcast is new, but it's really great. And just come and interact with Us, you know, we do all kinds of things. We have a yearly online conference. I do some courses where I teach people how to draw some of this stuff and to work on some of the shapes using your consciousness. So there are lots and lots of different things to do. If you find that these circles are speaking to you in some way, we're here.
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Brad Lail
All right, Karen, that was a beautiful way to end it. And shout out to everyone that you gave a plug to. I have to check that podcast you mentioned out as well, and maybe I can get him on the show. Or her.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah, you really should.
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Brad Lail
Yeah, him, right?
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Karen Alexander
Yeah.
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Brad Lail
You said it was Gary. Yeah. Okay.
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Karen Alexander
Gary King. Yeah.
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Brad Lail
Gary King. Okay.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah.
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Brad Lail
All right. Thank you again, Karen, for your time. I really appreciate it, and hopefully we can have you on again soon.
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Karen Alexander
Yeah. Nice to meet you, Brad.
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Brad Lail
Nice to meet you. Take care.
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