The Book of Daniel Bible Study w/ Matt Hepner

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad | Ep: The Book of Daniel Bible Study w/ Matt Hepner

Podcast Overview

Theme:
In this episode, hosts TopLobsta and Raven are joined by Matt Hepner for an in-depth, free-flowing Bible study focused on the Book of Daniel. The conversation weaves Christian theology, conspiracy analysis, and contemporary relevance, including personal anecdotes and unique commentary on modern society’s spiritual landscape.

Key Purpose:

• To explore the Book of Daniel’s narrative and themes through both literal and conspiratorial lenses.
• Reflect on how Daniel’s story applies to the challenges of faith, culture, and deception in today’s world.

Tone:
Honest, candid, energetic, at times irreverent but always seeking depth. The hosts balance humor and real talk about the spiritual journey.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Context: Daniel in Babylon and Modern Parallels

Timestamps: 12:06 – 13:44

• Daniel’s exile: Matt clarifies Daniel is in Babylon, “one of the worst possible places that you could have been.”

• Modern comparison: Matt draws a parallel to being a Christian in the USA right now:

  "I'd say America 2025 is the most dangerous place in the history of the planet to be a Christian." (12:22 – Matt)

• The group discusses the dangers of deception and being lulled into complacency by a culture that's "full of the covenant people at that time" but very few truly stand strong.

• Babylon as archetype: The contrast between “the world’s” pressures and a true, steadfast faith is set up as a core theme.

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2. False Christianity, Political Power & The Danger of Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing

Timestamps: 13:38 – 19:40

• Hosts critique political and public figures using Christian language for power, including a discussion about Trump, prophecy, and the difference between genuine and performative faith.

  “I always prefer the enemy that tells you straight up that they hate you, rather than the wolf in sheep’s clothing.” (13:38 – Top Lobster)

• Raven recounts “modern-day prophet” predictions and the phenomenon of public displays of generic religiosity without sincere reference to Jesus.

• Delving into the story of Trump posting the Archangel Michael prayer and its religious-political implications.

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3. The Raw, Gritty Side of the Bible & Modern Church Culture

Timestamps: 20:15 – 24:23

• Matt tells the story of King Zedekiah’s brutal fate. Raven is shocked by the “Game of Thrones” level violence:

  “Now this dude, the rest of his life, he's a prisoner, blind. And that’s the last thing he saw. Talk about a torturous way...” (20:29 – Matt)

• The room laughs over how “boring church” is a waste of an epic source material.

• Reference to Lord of the Rings and other pop culture as derivative of scriptural archetypes.

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4. Speaking in Tongues, Church Experience & Authenticity

Timestamps: 25:02 – 37:29

• Raven opens up about his confusion and skepticism toward Pentecostal church practices like public speaking in tongues and its “showmanship.”

  “If you speak in tongues and then somebody... just says something that's in the Bible, what’s the point?” (29:45 – Raven)

• Matt distinguishes between personal/spiritual edification and public church practice, warning about “counterfeit” spirituality and the importance of biblical grounding.

• The importance for seekers to be rooted in personal study and discernment, not just church tradition.

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5. Daniel’s Choice: Self-Control, Conviction & the Long Game

Timestamps: 45:21 – 53:52

• A deep dive into Daniel 1: Daniel refuses to eat the king’s meat/wine to avoid defilement.

  “But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself... That’s the key to Daniel’s entire life, bro.” (52:51 – Matt)

• Discussion about how true faith begins with “small” choices, self-discipline, and not compromising with the world, echoing issues of food addiction and abundance in modern culture.

• The theme of spiritual discipline as “the core of the word disciples.”

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6. Conspiracies & The Book of Daniel: Genetic Corruption, Nephilim, and The End Times

Timestamps: 46:43 – 51:58; 101:23 – 106:48

• Speculation about “genetic modification” in the Old Testament and references to Nephilim and hybridization.

  “If you want me to understand God, I gotta understand the Old Testament, why they had to go in and kill these people ... if there’s like some genetically modified...” (46:43 – Top Lobster)

• Later, they highlight Daniel’s prophecy about “mingling with the seed of men” and connect it to UFO abduction narratives, black-eyed children, and other fringe conspiracy motifs (101:23 onwards).

• LA Marzulli and Timothy Albarino are referenced for linking biblical texts to modern abduction/hybridization theories.

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7. Prayer, Honesty with God, and Spiritual Intimacy

Timestamps: 82:54 – 86:15

• Matt advocates raw honesty and personal language in prayer:

  “It has to be exactly who you are. He knows exactly who you are... The most raw and most plain and all the things you would never say to anybody, you say that stuff to God.” (83:16 – Matt)

• Rejects performative religiosity and encourages people to bring embarrassing or difficult things directly to God.

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8. Daniel’s Wisdom, God’s Sovereignty & Real Spiritual Power

Timestamps: 67:37 – 73:56; 98:34 – 100:45

• Daniel is repeatedly shown as “ten times wiser” than the Babylonian astrologers not by his own hand but because, “there’s a God in heaven that reveals secrets.”

  “Daniel doesn’t take credit for it.” (98:50 – Matt)

• Links Daniel’s wisdom to intimacy with God, not sheer intelligence, contrasting modern “intellectual” preaching with “knowing the Lord.”

• Nebuchadnezzar’s flip-flopping admiration and forgetfulness reinforce the “long game” required for faith, not instant results.

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9. Modern Money, Precious Metals & Spiritual Symbolism

Timestamps: 110:33 – 119:22

• Tangential debates about crypto, gold and silver’s biblical role, and what gives things value.
• Gold’s eternal value, connections to technology, and Martian/Anunnaki mining conspiracies are all discussed with humor and suspicion.

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10. Fiery Furnace: Ultimate Faith & Refusing to Bow

Timestamps: 148:15 – 155:47

• The story of Shadrach, Meshach & Abednego and the fiery furnace is read and commented:

  “Oh, Nebuchadnezzar, we're not even careful to answer you in this matter...our God can save us...but even if He doesn’t, we’re not worshipping your stupid statue.” (148:19–148:44, Matt & Raven)

• This moment is held up as “one of the most gangster lines in the Bible,” epitomizing unshakable, non-compromising faith.

• The fourth man in the fire, “like the son of God,” is recognized as a profound theophany.

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11. The Real Test: Standing Firm Against the World

Timestamps: 165:03 – End

• Matt concludes: True faith is about boldly refusing to compromise, even in “the smallest things that nobody sees.”

  “You have to be faithful in the smallest things. Purpose in your heart ahead of time, and then don't compromise with the world, man.” (165:52 – Matt)

• The world is evil, neutrality is an illusion, and believers must “stand against it no matter what it costs us.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s a classic case of inversionism. I don't want to communicate with anybody. It's not that I dislike anybody. It's just that I could die never seeing another person for the rest of my life that isn't my wife and son.” (09:08 – Raven)
• “Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself... That’s the key to Daniel’s entire life, bro. He didn’t just get into Babylon... This is the one dude who made a difference, right?” (52:51 – Matt)
• “I was like super judgy on other people... But the Lord had to deal with me: I didn’t tell them that.” (63:03 – Matt)
• “Our God can save us out of the fiery furnace. But even if He doesn’t, He’s still our God and we’re not worshipping your stupid statue.” (148:38–148:44 – Matt)
• “The unseen realm is the real realm. Like, this realm was created from that realm.” (158:32 – Matt)

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Key Timestamps (MM:SS)

• 12:06 – 13:44: Babylon then & now, dangers of deceptive culture
• 20:15 – 24:23: Brutality in the Bible and boring church
• 25:02 – 37:29: Authenticity vs. performance — tongues, discernment, church culture
• 45:21 – 53:52: Daniel refuses the king’s meat, the “long game” of faith
• 82:54 – 86:15: Candid prayer and intimacy with God
• 98:34 – 100:45: Daniel interprets Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, God as revealer of mysteries
• 148:15 – 155:47: The “fiery furnace” episode and the meaning of true faith
• 165:03 – End: The importance of small daily convictions and standing firm

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Flow & Recurring Themes

• Bible as Epic, Not “Boring”: Hosts regularly celebrate the depth, violence, and weirdness of the original stories, mocking the sanitized, boring version presented in some churches.
• Spiritual Counterfeits & Discernment: Emphasis on grounding in Scripture, discerning true from false experience, and not trusting mere tradition or spectacle.
• Conspiracy Connections: Frequent return to biblical texts as roots for modern paranormal, sociopolitical, and conspiratorial narratives.
• Humor & Honesty: Hosts’ banter ranges from the deeply serious to irreverent comedic, with ongoing “boomer” jokes and tangents.
• Faith in Practice: The study always returns to the challenge of living out true uncompromised faith in a deceptive and hostile world.

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Calls to Action & Conclusion

• Matt’s final advice (176:09):

  “Just read the Bible. Like, like every day. Read the Bible. That’s it.”

• Plans for future episodes include finishing Daniel and possibly tackling other biblical texts with their signature mix of irreverence and seeking after truth.

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For listeners:

This episode is both a Bible study and a modern spiritual street-fight, mixing ancient texts, weird modernities, and personal journeys. You’ll walk away entertained, challenged, and probably eager to never eat a McDonald’s burger again.

Transcript

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[Top Lobster]

Somni.com was like top Lobster Productions.

[Matt]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

[Top Lobster]

We are in a country and in.

[Matt]

A world that is being run by by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely nor.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, dude, they should never.

[Matt]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the Braves and everybody's just walking around heading the plot.

[Raven]

Who were dead in the grave. But it's too late.

[Matt]

We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day, everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government releasing poison.

[Top Lobster]

We'll do a regular intro.

[Raven]

Welcome. No, I do the intro. You can't do it. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Get that off the screen. This is very unprofessional to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. We're the first of its kind. I don't know what we're doing here today, but we're back with a fan favorite. Before we even get into that, I am David Lee Corbo, aka the Raven, aka, that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. And we're 45 minutes late.

[Top Lobster]

So what?

[Raven]

That's all right. Actually, we were gonna start at three, is what we meant to say. And so we're early. Last week we did an episode. Was it last week? Has it been.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we were starting at 2:00pm Central, so.

[Raven]

Oh, that's right.

[Top Lobster]

Everybody that showed up now, Mountain time. I don't know what you're doing.

[Raven]

So early last week we did an episode, and it was a unique one. Was it last week? Has it been one week since the day. Matt knows.

[Matt]

One week.

[Raven]

One week. Okay, so one week since the day.

[Matt]

We were a little late last week.

[Raven]

That we went to. We went to Matt's shop. The Standard coffee.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And. And we did something unique. We did something different. We got out in the field, we were doing field work, and people really liked it. Did you see the. The responses from that, Matt?

[Matt]

People in the shop were really excited about you guys. I know that.

[Top Lobster]

Well, that's weird. I think they're not. They're not excited so much as you were excited to tell them.

[Raven]

I think so.

[Top Lobster]

He just keeps hyping us up.

[Raven]

And they were just smiling, going, maybe.

[Matt]

A little bit of both.

[Raven]

They were like, can I just get a ma. Like a caramel macchiato? He's like, we're coming soon. We're gonna do an episode.

[Top Lobster]

You got to see these guys. You got to see a Top Lobster macchiato.

[Matt]

That's a chain shop.

[Raven]

I don't know what that. I don't even know what that is. Honestly, I have no idea. Well, on our end. Let me tell you something, Matt. We make a lot of content. People don't really say a lot of nice things. No, they don't. They say a lot of mean things, actually. And on your episode, it was unanimously nice things. Don't touch it. Don't. Please don't.

[Top Lobster]

Trying to help you.

[Raven]

All right, I don't want you to do that. But people. People said, I Don't think there was one bad thing said. And let me tell you something. We had audio issues. It's us. Which is just not good. Just not good. So there's a lot of downside to the content that we create. And the content we created that day lacked on the technical side, not on the content side.

[Matt]

It was straight Bible.

[Raven]

It was straight Bible, and people were. They loved it. So we said, I think there's some money to be made here. Let's invite him back. And that's what we did. We bought him back. And that's not true. We're not making any money off this. But I know that people are very excited. So. So we're doing a bit of a Bible study. And. And did you pick the book or who. Who. Who picked the book that we're gonna start with today?

[Top Lobster]

So. Yeah, so Matt. Matt's been. He wants to do the Bible study with us. And I was like, well, what could we do it on? He's like, there's so much interesting things in the Bible. Where do we even start? I was like, well, what are you reading right now? And you have a. He has two separate Bible study groups that we're not allowed to go to. Yeah.

[Raven]

One on accurate.

[Matt]

Is the one shot have my head chopped off or.

[Raven]

No, I don't know that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And I just removed that shot.

[Raven]

We're not gonna have that shot anymore.

[Top Lobster]

We don't like that shot. I figured.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

Jack Bonson says audio sounds a teeny tiny little teeny right now. I don't know what that means. Oh, we sound itty bitty. Yeah, a little itty bitty, teeny tiny. Here we go.

[Matt]

Should I talk into the mic?

[Top Lobster]

Well, yeah, you definitely want to bring.

[Matt]

The mic to your mouth. Yeah. So we were talking about what. What book should we get into? And then we were talking about the other Bible studies we're in. Like, one I'm in John, and the other one with the homies. But now it's Thursdays because they're all high school football players.

[Raven]

Okay, okay.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's what you meant.

[Matt]

That. So that one switched to Thursday, but that one we've been in Daniel. And then you said, yeah, let's do Daniel.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Can I ask you something?

[Top Lobster]

Good name.

[Raven]

After you. You. You talked to us, and then you went back to and talked to your homies.

[Top Lobster]

Did they go like, why are you hanging out?

[Matt]

They love you guys.

[Raven]

Did they say, we should invite them to the.

[Matt]

And you said, no, no, they're down.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, okay.

[Raven]

They want to actually.

[Matt]

Well, the Only thing is, it's Thursdays now, so it's a school night, and it's a. It's a work night.

[Top Lobster]

Wait a. You're doing Bible studies with kids?

[Matt]

Yeah. I mean, there's 17. That sounds weird the way you said that.

[Raven]

I changed my mind. I don't know if that's good.

[Matt]

Yeah, there's 17, but they're. But they're hard. These kids are hard, bro.

[Raven]

Well, that's it. They're locked in.

[Matt]

Like, some of the stuff they started saying when we were going through the study was, like, wild, like, okay, yeah, they're locked in, all right. But they're good. But they want you guys to come over. But we should do it on a Friday or Saturday, so.

[Raven]

I don't know. I mean, I don't have a bedtime necessarily. My child does have school in the morning. Raven and Top, you guys have an ep. You know, they could just be lying.

[Top Lobster]

No, I don't think they're lying.

[Raven]

I think they do. They do that all the time, though.

[Top Lobster]

It's just. These are. These are the issues of audio stuff.

[Matt]

Raven and Top. You have an echo? Do I have an echo?

[Raven]

Sounds good. Maybe it's just Raven. I don't know. Cams? Who knows?

[Top Lobster]

Let me.

[Raven]

Let's check if our mics are selected, and then we'll get started. We're gonna read the Book of Daniel today, I promise. Default road. Yeah, that's about the best we can do. Don't know what to tell you.

[Top Lobster]

Good luck, guys.

[Matt]

It's. It's better audio than last time.

[Raven]

Well, we're growing, Maybe.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Which I. Technically. Stopping. 17.

[Top Lobster]

We're figuring it out.

[Raven]

Let's jump into the.

[Top Lobster]

Anyway.

[Raven]

Okay. I'm sorry.

[Matt]

I'm sorry.

[Top Lobster]

So you're doing the Bible study with these kids? These kids are hard.

[Matt]

No, they are, bro. Yeah, those kids are raw. This is not like a playtime Bible study, because that's the problem with kids, especially high school kids. Like, hey, it's playtime. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah.

[Raven]

And that's a problem with us, too.

[Matt]

No, these dudes are, like, locked in. Like, you start, we do it on the big couch, and maybe we start off, everybody's spread out, but you start talking, and then boom. Everybody.

[Raven]

You're doing this at your house?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

That's bold.

[Matt]

Everybody's just locked.

[Raven]

That is the opposite of me. I noticed we have similar energy, he and I, where we both. We have a little bit of a franticness about our speech. Yeah, but where we deviate and among. Among many things, height and things like that. Matt is a very personable individual. He's very warm and friendly. I am very distant. I'm very distant. Matt's learning this. Where. He's been asking. He says, where is. Where is Raven? I. I've given him a punch card to the coffee shop.

[Matt]

Everyone comes in.

[Raven]

Never come in.

[Top Lobster]

It's crazy.

[Raven]

I don't talk to. I. If I. If I had it my way, if I didn't have a business with him, I wouldn't talk to him probably at all. And I'm. I'm like that. I'm a very reclusive person. You're actually more warm and friendly than I am.

[Matt]

People might get this impression 100.

[Raven]

They might get this impression from watching this show and from seeing Top Lops's online Persona, that Top is the one person who's shelled off and that I am the one who is more warm and friendly. Not the case. Not the case at all.

[Matt]

It's an inversion.

[Raven]

It's a classic case of inversionism. I don't want to communicate with anybody. It's not that I dislike anybody. It's just that I could die never seeing another person for the rest of my life that isn't my wife and son.

[Top Lobster]

What you got to understand about the guy? He's an enigma and a nigma.

[Matt]

He.

[Top Lobster]

He made me do, like. See the Bohemian Grove thing.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

This is a live event where a lot of people come to. And then, like, the people come and he doesn't. He just freaks out.

[Raven]

And I was like, he's not like a min. Rat who's probably not in the chat. Rubbed my back for 15 minutes.

[Top Lobster]

That's not.

[Raven]

And I allowed it to happen.

[Matt]

This is weird.

[Top Lobster]

Can we get into. Let's get into the Bible.

[Raven]

I would.

[Top Lobster]

I would like that. I was like, so the Book of Daniel.

[Matt]

Wait, do you guys have to do an intro or that.

[Raven]

That was the intro. That whole thing that you just saw.

[Top Lobster]

This is Matt from the Standard.

[Matt]

No, no, I don't need the intro. I just want to make sure you guys.

[Raven]

He brought me a rockstar energy, which is probably a mistake. Thank you.

[Matt]

A good mistake.

[Raven]

And he also brought me a new Bible, by the way, because I was saying, the chat knows that I have tremendous trouble reading. Yeah, and me too.

[Matt]

Same one. The young guys read the nlt. It's like plain English.

[Raven]

NLT is what I got. And I'm sure somebody in the. In the chat will screech about that.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Because they do. But the King James version is very. The English is so dense. The Old English, the these and thou's and yay, which it could be yay or ye, but I pronounce it yay because of Kanye. Why? E. I don't know how to pronounce that phonetically anymore. So thank you for the new Bible. This is done in the simple man's English and I'm very much looking forward to it. So today we're going to read.

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[Raven]

The book of Daniel. Daniel, he. He's in Babylon, correct?

[Matt]

He's in Babylon. Yes, sir.

[Raven]

So this is the testimony of an individual who is in alignment with Jesus Christ, but one of the worst possible places that you could have been.

[Matt]

Maybe.

[Raven]

I mean, you hear bad things about that.

[Matt]

Yeah, I'd say America 2025 is the most dangerous place in the history of the planet to be a Christian.

[Raven]

You think so?

[Matt]

100.

[Raven]

Well, in.

[Matt]

Yeah, like say you lived in that time or any time period. Especially you're like in Rome and they're killing Christians and stuff. Can I Can I bust a fan or what do I.

[Raven]

Because you don't like it? You don't like the thing?

[Matt]

No, it's just like blowing.

[Raven]

No, he doesn't like the fan. He's a guy who likes to sweat. Go ahead. Oh, there you go. That's nice.

[Matt]

No. So, yeah, like, say you lived in ancient Rome. You're getting thrown to the lions, right. You're in the lion's den. You're getting like, say you even get killed. Boom, you're going to heaven. In America, like, how many people get told that there are Christians that are not? How many people get told that they're saved, that they're not?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's.

[Matt]

It's a gigantic amount of percentage wise too. But we're going to see here too, like, all of Israel got taken into Babylon. They all got conquered. Right. So it happened in like waves. It wasn't necessarily all at one time, but we specifically see the, the stories of the dudes that were hard, that didn't sell out. But remember, Babylon's full of Israel now. It's full of the covenant people at that time. And like, we got, we got three or four dudes here that stay strong and don't compromise to the culture. So that was probably happening then, too. But I would say on the scale of like, deception today, America is absolutely the most dangerous place to ever be a Christian.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I'd rather, I, I always prefer the enemy that tells you straight up that they hate you.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Rather than the one that kind of like the wolf in sheep's clothing, which is what we have, like, you know, I don't know. The current administration has like their own.

[Raven]

Version of what, what seems to be like false Christianity.

[Top Lobster]

Who's the woman that's next to Trump right now? That's like this kind of like, weird, charismatic.

[Matt]

I don't even know, bro. But all that's just like jockeying for, like, votes, right? Like when you say you're like, aligned with this church person. Right. Like, who does?

[Raven]

Well, we talk about it. There's a guy named Brandon something or another. He, he's supposed to be a modern day prophet who has these visions and he came out in October, so, so maybe like four or five months before the assassination attempt on Trump. And he said this dude was going to have a shot taken at him, that it was going to burst his eardrum and that Trump was going to fall to the floor and in that moment he was going to be on fire for the Lord. That's what he said.

[Matt]

The dude said that ahead of time. Yeah.

[Raven]

And hey, to be fair, we said that that was gonna happen ahead of time, too.

[Matt]

What? That he was gonna get shot at.

[Raven]

And that he was gonna survive and there was gonna be a head wound and he was gonna survive because they're trying to do something.

[Matt]

I see what you're doing.

[Raven]

They're trying to do something. So, so all of that kind of happens. It's not really his eardrum that gets burst. It's a chunk out of his ear. And then that, that wound somehow miraculously goes away. There's no chunk missing from Donald Trump's ear. Very, very strange. But he, he never has expressed anything about Jesus Christ. And for, for a guy that's supposed to be on fire for the Lord after this event because he, he allegedly, according to Brandon whatever, perceives it as divine intervention that he was saved by God the Father and he goes on fire for the Lord. But, but since then, you've not heard him say anything. He has venerated one of the angels. It's like Archangel Michael or something. Like he prayed to, to the Archangel Michael.

[Matt]

Wait, Trump prayed to the angel Michael?

[Raven]

Top. Do you remember that? It wasn't that long ago. And it was like. Because I'm, I'm looking for this moment. I'm going like, is he gonna talk about Jesus Christ or is he going to. We have Matt doing the technical stuff first.

[Top Lobster]

There you go.

[Raven]

That's good.

[Matt]

We just need to know, is this accurate? Like Trump. What do you mean? He was like, yeah, like talking to people one day and they just.

[Raven]

Crazy type in Donald Trump. I can do it on my phone.

[Matt]

Here's. Here's the thing though, while we're looking.

[Raven]

For that is like, I think it's Archangel Michael.

[Matt]

I believe this dude comes on the scene in 2016. Right. This dude Trump. And at this time period. I don't know if you guys remember politically speaking. Yeah. If you like follow politics or anything.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

People just, they were just like, like, they were basically like they were being handled by a ventriloquist. Like every politician just was non human. Right.

[Raven]

And that's what he was kind of.

[Matt]

Then all of a sudden. Yeah. Then all of a sudden this dude comes on the scene. He's just talking like a human.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So 2016, I saw that even with the Republicans, like in the, in the very beginning, they have like 12 guys on the stage, like a Wu Tang Clan concert. There's so many Republicans and Trump's out there. You're like, what's going. And they're all talking like this Politician speak. And here's this one dude who's just talking like a person.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

And Republicans hate him and Democrats hate him and the media hates him at that moment. I'm not saying like, is Trump good, is Trump bad? I'm not saying like, is he a Christian? Is he not a Christian in that moment? I'm saying, God, what are you doing? Yeah, like, like, how did this guy even get on the scene? Yeah, this isn't even possible. So a lot of times when it comes to these guys, I'm not really sweating. If they're good, if they're bad, if they're Christian, if they're not, what are they doing? No, I'm just saying, like, what's the Lord doing through this person? That. That's what I want to be aware of.

[Raven]

Did we. Oh, you have it. You're pulling up on the screen.

[Top Lobster]

I'm trying to.

[Raven]

You're trying to.

[Top Lobster]

That's not pulling up. I got it right here. I mean, it's, it's more of a Catholic prayer, but yeah. I don't know. What were you getting at with that?

[Raven]

Well, what I was getting at was this idea that Brandon Biggs, I think was his name. Did anybody say Brandon Biggs? You know, once again, modern day prophet claims that Donald Trump's going to be on fire for the Lord. Never an utterance of the name of Jesus Christ from Trump. But there is like this one thing that happens afterward, right. September 30, 2024. I guess it would have been afterwards. St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Former President Donald Trump posted on X on Sunday. So that's.

[Matt]

Wait, what was that when Israel was fighting Iran? Because that would be trippy if it's that.

[Raven]

Because I don't know. It was it.

[Matt]

Michael is referred to as their prince. So that is. That is a bizarre thing. If he did say that. I don't know enough about it to like speak on it, but that'd be intriguing if that was specifically his prayer to protect Israel as their prince. Because that's what he's referred to. Like when we read in Daniel, we read about the prince of Persia, the prince of Greece.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, I didn't.

[Matt]

Michael is referred to as Israel's prince.

[Raven]

That's interesting. He actually goes on to say, be our defense against wickedness and snares of the devil.

[Matt]

That was when they were going out.

[Raven]

Iran says, I don't know the time frame on it. September 30, 2024 was the.

[Matt]

That was probably. Was that. I lose track of time. Was that about that time period?

[Top Lobster]

I don't.

[Raven]

When was the whole October 7th thing? Was that 23 or 24?

[Top Lobster]

24.

[Raven]

24. So that was right before the October 7th thing. That's interesting. The timing is.

[Top Lobster]

Is.

[Raven]

Is interesting on that. Oh, he. He goes. He goes on. He goes. May God rebuke the devil, we humbly pray. And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, pop up, cast into hell Satan.

[Matt]

And.

[Raven]

And Trump is praying. This is what Trump is saying. Yeah. And all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking to ruin souls. Amen, bro.

[Matt]

What? Yeah, I know. He said that.

[Raven]

This is a prayer that dates back to 1884, when Pope Leo. That's interesting. The 13th.

[Matt]

He's. So he's quoting the Pope.

[Raven]

Well, this is. This is. Introduce a group of prayers into Catholic literature. Literature, liturgy. Excuse me. So this is specifically a prayer that was introduced to Catholic liturgy by Pope Leo XIII back in 1884. That. That's. See, so that's my thing that I'm getting at is, like, we're talking about whether or not Trump is, you know, a Christian or whatever, or if he's catering to a base. But all I've ever seen from him is Catholicism.

[Matt]

I don't. I don't totally care to be. I don't mean it like that, but I just don't necessarily care if he's a good guy, bad guy, Christian, not Christian. Like, I'm just intrigued. We're gonna find out right here. Like, what's God doing?

[Raven]

Yeah, well, hold on, hold on. One more thing. Do you remember when he came out and he goes, beautiful Christians.

[Matt]

I'm not a Christian.

[Raven]

Do you remember that?

[Matt]

Did you see that?

[Top Lobster]

It was a really weird. What does this have to do with Trump? We do, like.

[Raven]

Well, that's because we were just speculating it on under the whole Trump thing, you know? All right, we can move on. I'm sorry. Book of Daniel. Just go.

[Matt]

Yeah. So they're in Babylon. Like, crazy stuff has happened. One of the king, Zedekiah, has, like, the worst death any human has ever experienced. Zedekiah, the King of Babylon, like, finally catches him, kills all of his sons in front of him and then rips his eyeballs out.

[Raven]

Damn.

[Matt]

You guys know that. That's what I'm saying. The Bible's raw and, like, way too hard for most people.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So, like, this dude, he. He was the king. Now he just had his entire bloodline destroyed. They rip his eyeballs out.

[Raven]

That's Game of Thrones.

[Matt]

And now this dude, the rest of his life, he's a prisoner, blind. Then imagine the rest of his life. That's the last thing he saw. Oh my God, that's the last thing he saw. Talk about like a torturous. Yeah, way to deal with a king like that. It's one of those passages where you're just like, whatever I've been complaining about.

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[Matt]

It'S not that big of a deal.

[Raven]

Do we know what he was like as a king before he had his eyes?

[Matt]

He was evil.

[Raven]

He was evil.

[Matt]

Okay, like that thing too. Like I always say, like Israel today you have to read it the same way. Is like 1 Kings, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles. Because like, there's an evil king, there's A good king, there's an evil king, there's a good king, there's a dude who did good. But then he did some evil over here. He did some evil on this, he did some good on that. And it's just like. That's what I'm saying is like, the leaders come and go, but, like, what is God up to? Like, that's all I want to know.

[Raven]

Moving pieces around.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watch. This is what he does. In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim, King of Judah, came Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, unto Jerusalem and besieged it. Watch this. Because it's like a major theme. This is like a major theme in this book. And the Lord gave Jehoiakim, King of Judah, into his hand. Because I know some people are like, oh, Israel, and God will never do anything. He's always going to defend him. Yes, sometimes. But sometimes he turns on. On them and he's their enemy. Yeah, he's never. Not the God of Israel, but he turns on them. Like right here, he gives Jehoiaking, King of Judah into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar. And the prophets have been telling them that ahead of time.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Matt]

Jeremiah and them had been coming and saying, surrender to Babylon. Go with him. It's the Lord's intention for. Because they weren't keeping the Sabbaths. They had been like, the year of jubilee. Yeah. And so. And so 490 years had passed. And he said, okay, seven years for a year of captivity. You guys are going to go into Babylon for 70 years. So the prophets were coming to them and saying, hey, we're going to get taken out of the land. And they were saying, no, no. Once they'd always saved me. I'm like. Like, he would never do that. Like, we're the Covenant people. He can't do that. And the prophets that knew the Lord and were speaking to him are saying, no, no, they're. They're gonna take you out of the land. Go with them. Don't run to Egypt for help. Don't. Which is the world. Don't run to the world for help. Just go with them. And they didn't. And they held out and they held out and they held out. And then, like, this dude gets his eyes ripped out after his whole family gets killed.

[Raven]

That's. That's pretty brutal.

[Top Lobster]

That is rough.

[Raven]

That's pretty brutal.

[Top Lobster]

It also like. Like you were saying about the Game of Thrones thing, the guy, Junior Martin a lot. It's funny how all these writers pull from the Bible. Yeah.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

They have a base. Like, I mean, because the Bible is one of the, like, strongest foundational, not just faith based, but like archetypal based books in the world.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

When you're looking for stories. All right. From here.

[Raven]

That's why Lord of the Rings crushes so hard.

[Matt]

Saying that's why it's a crime if you go to a church and it's boring. Yeah, it's because, like, bro, you have. You have the raddest book on the planet with all the stories. Why are people falling asleep at church? Totally unacceptable.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Well, apparently it is. I didn't go today, but it's a weird.

[Raven]

Unbelievable.

[Top Lobster]

I was prepping.

[Raven]

I did have a weird thing today. We were talking about it briefly before the show started back. This idea of, like, I asked you because I'm not. I'm new to all this. And so tongues have been happening. They've been popping off at church last few visits, everybody's doing the thing and I'm going, you know, apparently if you speak in tongues, this is a biblical thing. This is a gift of tongues and there's a gift of translation. And if somebody doesn't translate your tongues, then it's like invalidated in some way, shape or form. So every time somebody does the tongues, somebody else comes along and says, you know, this is what, what, what he's saying. And today a dude spoke in tongues and it's like a long. It's like 20, maybe 30 seconds.

[Matt]

I understand the context. Was there like music. The music happened, kind of came to like a. Yeah, yeah.

[Raven]

Is that how it pops off usually?

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Raven]

In that and that you're catching the Holy Spirit.

[Matt]

What do they call it? Not parties, but sect, denomination, and that denomination. That's what they do. They just like play the music and then it kind of goes like up the light music. And this is everybody's showcase, their gift. And that in that denomination, I don't know. And then the other denominations are like, oh, no, that's the devil. Because the gifts ended in the first century, in the.

[Raven]

Oh, okay.

[Top Lobster]

So.

[Matt]

No, no, no, I don't agree with that. I'm just saying like that. But. But that really gives gasoline to the fire of the people who do believe that.

[Raven]

Yeah, well, he did his thing and for like 20, 30 seconds, nobody translates nothing. Then he translates his own tongues. And I remember feeling like I was like, that's not. I don't know the rules, dude. I'm like learning. I don't know anything.

[Top Lobster]

That's not so Much of the part that concerned me, what you told me happened after about the. The person.

[Raven]

Yeah, there was a couple of things. So afterwards, there, there. I don't know. How do I do this?

[Top Lobster]

Because I don't want strange things happening in this.

[Raven]

Strange things happening in the church.

[Matt]

Strange. I've been around weird stuff in the church too, bro. Just.

[Raven]

This is a lot of weird stuff. So there's. There's one individual there who presents as a man, but you could just tell is, like, not a man. I don't think so. No. But that, again, has lined up at the urinal next to me to the extent that I was like, oh, dog, you got a. Like a. Like a. I. I literally. I was like, oh, maybe it's a funnel thing. I don't know what's going on. I don't care.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, that's weird.

[Raven]

I thought it was a funnel. Honestly, if you saw this person, you'd be like, no way.

[Matt]

Which you're looking at this human, you're saying it's definitely a chick.

[Raven]

That's right. Yeah. But nevertheless, next to me. So, like, I don't give it.

[Matt]

I don't know enough about it, I guess that's the thing now.

[Raven]

Well, even me, I don't know enough about whatever this individual is going through. In fact, some people are born in a way that's. Don't touch me. Inner, please. You know, inner intersex. That's a. That's a phrase.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, whatever. Get to the. What is going on?

[Raven]

So this person who already is kind of funky, I look over and they're, like, kind of doing this jam where, like, they're covering their mouths, right? And. And when you're in this. In this church, like, a lot of people are making noises that, like, sound like tongues, I guess. And then. That's not.

[Matt]

That's not. I go to a Baptist church, bro.

[Raven]

That's not untrue. Like, I mean, this is my experience. I'm there and I'm going like. I hear a lot of. Like, I don't even want to make the noises because it feels crazy to make the noises. But anywho. So she's, he. Whatever is doing this thing, and then all of a sudden, he's one of these flies.

[Matt]

Oh, no. This is weird, man.

[Top Lobster]

This is weird.

[Raven]

Yeah, it's weird, dude. And I'm like, hey, what's happening?

[Top Lobster]

I gotta do a Bible study after what's happening here.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And so it's a weird day at church is what I'm getting.

[Matt]

It happens, man.

[Raven]

But I guess you're allowed to translate because I looked it up. I. I gave it a goog. And Google was like, yeah, you can translate your own. Your own jazz. And I go, okay, yeah.

[Matt]

It's just unfortunate, though, if you already have, like, the show and the idea in mind, and in this denomination, you kind of do it like this. And then the dude throws out the tongue, and he's waiting for his homies to interpret, and everybody's like, sorry, bro, because I'm mad at you. Any. Anyway, and then there's no interpretation. And then he's like, well, I better interpret it then. I mean, was it a relevant thing? The problem, like we were talking about earlier, is, like, if you're speaking in tongues, you're kind of saying thus, say at the Lord. You're saying, like, this is coming from the Holy Spirit. Here's what I'm saying now. Here's the interpretation in English. So, bro, like, exactly what God said that came from God. Like. Like, that's where it gets a little squirrely.

[Raven]

So the translation was and is always something that, like, has biblical precedent. So it's like the translation in this particular instance was, I stand at the door, you know, it's. It's me, open the door, and it's. It's Jesus. I don't know.

[Matt]

That's what he said to the Laodicean church. That's what he would say to a church. He's already outside the church. In the first century, the Laodicean church in the Book of Revelation, the epistles of Jesus to the seven churches in Asia, the book, the letter to Laodicea, he's already outside the church.

[Raven]

Yeah, but my thing is, like, if you speak in tongues and then somebody. I'm not trying to, like, make these people look bad or anything like that, but I'm just. I understand how people can be right. We're human and we're kind of shitty. So if somebody speaks in tongues and then nobody. And you go, I'm going to translate for this person. You could safely say, nobody comes to the Father but through the Son. Whoever denies the Son, denies the Father. You could just say something that's in the Bible.

[Matt]

And then it was like, what's the point? It's already in the Bible.

[Raven]

That's my thing.

[Matt]

But there's something that's like. There's a quote about that. It's like, if it's already in the Bible, why do you need to say it? If it's not in the Bible, then you're contradicting it. There's Something.

[Raven]

Well, because what, what I'm waiting for is like if somebody speaks in tongues and then all of a sudden somebody says something that only resonates with an individual in the. And if you.

[Matt]

The problem is counterfeit. The big, the biggest issue is counterfeit because in the American church, a lot of people don't know the Lord. Like if you're ever at the bank and they're counting the money and they're just like this with the money. Like when they hit a counterfeit, they know because they handle money all day, right? Like we. The way to not get busted by the counterfeit is to know the Lord. Like know the true thing. And there's so much shenanigans of foolery in the church today that like the problem is with like a Pentecostal charismatic church is when that gets counterfeited, that just is outrageous. Like, well, if you go to a regular church and they counterfeit love or faith or peace or like any of these other things, it just doesn't look so.

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[Matt]

Crazy. But like, when tongues gets counterfeit, it looks, it's like the craze and it makes everybody say, clearly that's not real.

[Top Lobster]

I think that's what the. We were trying to explain to you what the Orthodox church is what he was looking at, looking for initially. And it's very like, it's not that it's legalistic, but they have like a tradition that is, is a long tradition of how they did. They, they have the priests with the beards and the robes and all this and they do the catechism or it's similar to Catholicism, but it's like, what did Jesus say?

[Matt]

You guys nullify the power of God by your traditions.

[Raven]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Here's the thing though, like when you get away from the tradition, then you start to get some, some of this stuff and I'm like, the other thing.

[Raven]

About the Catholic game, you should just.

[Matt]

Be reading a Bible and chill, bro. With all these people and the Baptists say this and the Presbyterians, that's like.

[Raven]

If you asked me, I wouldn't say like, so I'm going to a Pentecostal church. I wouldn't say I'm Pentecostal. I'm just going there because they have a, a pretty big youth group. So my kid gets all these like friends and everything. And I know that they're aligned in the same way and that's dope. And then it's community for my wife and everything. I mean, I already explained that I don't talk to people. So for me it's, I'm just going there. Like the sermons crush accurately.

[Matt]

You know, say hi to anybody in the lobby or you just like, I.

[Raven]

Say hi, I go, of course, I'm a reasonable man. I say hello, say hi to anybody. I do say hi. I say hi to people. But, but like the, you know, our pastor is given. This is like a, a five part sermon so far on humility, on how, you know, Jesus is talking about who is great amongst you. The, the one who sits at the table or the one who serves. And he's like, in the world, of course, the one who sits at the table is great. But, but here not the case. The one who serves is the greatest among you. And, and so like there's all this, this teaching about humility and everything. I'm like so far.

[Matt]

Crushes. Yeah.

[Raven]

And some of the music crushes too. But you know, every once in a while I do want to say one more thing on it and then I'd let. I want to get back to this.

[Top Lobster]

Because you know, it's not going to stop.

[Raven]

I'm gonna stop after this. So the thing about needing your tongues to be translated in order for it to be validated. And then what. What happens? Do you know if it's unvalidated? Like, do they hiss at you and then kick you out of the church?

[Matt]

No, no, no, no. Maybe, but. Okay, so tell them. What do you call me? It can be a private thing, right? Like Paul said, if I speak in tongues, I edify myself. So there's a totally valid, like private tongues prayer. There's a totally valid one.

[Raven]

Yeah, I hear that all over the place.

[Matt]

I'm get. If I remember, it's the Corinthian letter where he's explaining to everybo how you do it in order. And this is one of the things if you're going to do with a bunch of people around, like with a big crowd, then yeah, there's got to be an interpretation. Okay, so there's not an interpretation. I don't know. I don't, to be honest.

[Raven]

My. My only point is that if you're allowed to self translate, which apparently the Bible says you are, then there's no. Nobody's ever going to invalid. It's impossible to be. To be not validated because why would you ever not translate your own?

[Top Lobster]

The discernment will invalidate. But then, yeah, it's just a tricky thing.

[Raven]

It's a slippery thing. It just seems like a slippery thing.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's not that I. I disagree with Matt, but every time I tell him like, yeah, I'm go there. He's like, dude. And it's just like, I. I know. I just.

[Matt]

Sorry to be that guy.

[Top Lobster]

Well, you know what it is too.

[Raven]

Is in order for me to even be able to speak from any. I need to have the experience. Like I need to go there.

[Matt]

You gotta have it in the word of God though. Like that's. Bro, if you, if you like walk into that whole thing. What I mean, without a biblical foundation, you're toast. Yeah.

[Raven]

What I mean specifically is we say on this show a lot of. Not that I think that the church is dropping the ball one way or another, but who am I to even say that? I see that you say that and You've been there?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, you have. You're, like, knocking me for saying that. No, now you're saying it.

[Top Lobster]

So here's it.

[Matt]

Let's go.

[Top Lobster]

The conversation that I had with you is that I have already knocked the church adequately. I've done a great job of it. I feel like I went a little bit too far.

[Matt]

Same.

[Top Lobster]

So I said, you know what? This guy, he wants to go. I'll accompany him. We'll go, we'll solid friends.

[Matt]

Nice to meet you, solid friend.

[Top Lobster]

I mean.

[Matt]

I mean, it sounds a little wild what's happening with him now, but I don't blame you for that.

[Raven]

Well, yeah, this is his fault.

[Top Lobster]

So I just say, let me go to this place again. Perhaps the problem was me. I'll go. I'm gonna sit back, I'm gonna look, I'm gonna lay back in the cut. And, you know.

[Matt]

I know, but.

[Top Lobster]

I know, but, yeah, it's just. I don't want.

[Matt]

There.

[Top Lobster]

There's a 300 people watching live. I don't want to say this to them and then discourage them from taking the pathway, because fair point. Fair point is the path I took. Right. I went there and then I. I led all the way to where I'm at now. So I don't know these people's path, and I don't want to discourage them.

[Matt]

Well, I'll say this to 300. I'll be. I'll be good before God saying this. Get your foundation in the word of God.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

If you go on Sunday, great, great. But it's a little dangerous to not have a foundation in the word of God. Go into the church and then just kind of be trusting that it's all on the up and up. That's all.

[Top Lobster]

100.

[Matt]

That's what I'm saying.

[Raven]

Well, luckily, I'm highly skeptical person.

[Matt]

The number one thing is being grounded in the word of God. That's the number one.

[Top Lobster]

Let's do it, man.

[Raven]

Well, okay. All right.

[Matt]

So we're still in verse one, right?

[Top Lobster]

Or.

[Matt]

No, we got into verse two.

[Top Lobster]

You're wasting my time with all the side.

[Matt]

Okay. The Lord gave Jehoiakim, King of Judah, into Nebuchadnezzar's hand with part of the vessels of the house of God. Remember that? That's going to be relevant later. Which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his God. And he brought the vessels into the treasure house of his God. And the king spake unto Aspen as the master of his eunuchs, that he should bring. Okay. So the eunuchs. Yeah, your translation is going to say it. Wait, it's like a servant.

[Raven]

Oh, I thought it was a.

[Matt]

Like a servant in the house. I thought was one that gets the. Okay, yeah, but I. But that's why it's my understanding that the kings. If you were serving in the house where the queen was, you had that.

[Raven]

Master of the dudes without balls.

[Top Lobster]

Well, you got to trust them.

[Matt]

Not just the balls, the.

[Raven]

Oh, they did everything.

[Matt]

Yeah, they can't.

[Raven]

I would. I would have imagined you would have bled out and. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

They have ways.

[Matt]

You see what I'm saying? So that's. If you. If you were working in the king's house, you couldn't be trusted with the queen if you had one.

[Raven]

That's crazy.

[Matt]

Okay. So. But anyway, that he should bring certain of the children of Israel and of the king's seed and of the princes. Right. So they. So Babylon goes and takes over Israel. They say, like, hey, who's the badasses in this society? Like. Like, who's legit here? Children in whom was no blemish, but well favored and skillful in all wisdom and cunning in knowledge and understanding, science and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace in whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans. So they bring in all the badasses who are smart intellectually, and they recognize spiritualities on them as well. They bring them in. They say, okay, train them. Let's get them out of this whole Jewish thing. Let's train them in the ways of Babylon.

[Raven]

Let's.

[Matt]

Let's make our kingdom powerful. Let's bring in these guys and make our kingdom more powerful.

[Top Lobster]

But let me ask you something. This is like. This might be a little bit of a heretical question, but when Jesus is born and he flees Bethlehem, they go into Egypt. He's there for 30 years.

[Matt]

30 years.

[Top Lobster]

Or how. No, he's there for, like, most of his childhood.

[Matt]

Right. I mean, he's definitely back by the time he's 12. I think there might be.

[Top Lobster]

That's right. Because he grows up.

[Matt]

Yeah, I know. That's like a brief thing. A couple years, maybe.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. That I was gonna ask, because there's, like, there's that section of him in. In Egypt. I'm like, what is he doing there?

[Raven]

This is where people speculate. He's getting.

[Matt]

Well, no, it was prophesied. It was prophesied that he would. That he'd bring him out because. Because God brought Israel out of Egypt.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

He said I'll bring my son out of Egypt. And, you know, so we just thought, like, oh, he's just referring to the nation of Israel. He was also referring to his son, Jesus, that he. That he had in Egypt and brought him out.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matt]

Because who was trying to kill him? Herod.

[Top Lobster]

Herod. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

So they fled so that he didn't die, which is crazy. So he's like the only kid in first grade when he goes back to town. If you think about it, bro, it was like, the only. Yeah. You know, he's like this very unique person in town. Like, he lived in a real town. Like, he. Like, he was so common of a person that when he starts casting out demons, they say, isn't this the carpenter? Yeah, like. Like, he was. So they. They had no concept.

[Raven]

That is wild.

[Matt]

They had no concept that he was God, bro. They had no concept that he's even a prophet.

[Raven]

Imagine, like, your plumber just starts doing that.

[Matt]

Yeah. Like, yeah. He lived in such a small town. He said, the carpenter. Not. Not a carpenter.

[Raven]

There's only one in the town.

[Matt]

Isn't he the carpenter? Like, what. Like, what new thing is this? What new doctrine is this? What they were saying? Dang. Because he was so common sin.

[Top Lobster]

Interesting.

[Matt]

And he lives sinless, bro. He lives in a house with brothers and sisters, and he never sins. This is wild, bro. Then he goes to work. He never sins at work. He's a carpenter. He never puts out shoddy work. He never, like, overcharges somebody now. He never sins. And then. Yeah, a lot. That's really all we know, except for when he's 12 and he's in the temple and he gets left behind. Right, right, right.

[Raven]

What do you make of it when people say, like, you know, this. This whole era of Jesus's life, he was in, like, the mystery schools, and he was being exposed to. You never. You never seen those. Those kind of ideas? Oh, yeah, dude.

[Matt]

No. He was with his father. He was alone with his father.

[Raven]

Big Gnosticism.

[Matt]

He had the scripture. He was reading the scripture. He had to learn.

[Raven]

There's ideas that. He went to Tibet and he explored this thing. He went to Egypt. He was in, you know, introduced to these.

[Matt]

No, he was in Israel. And he was sent to Israel. That's what he said. He said. And he was like, I'm not going. I mean, he did deal with the Samaritans, but, like, he was like, my ministry is to. Is to Israel.

[Raven]

Okay.

[Matt]

Then he was like, your ministry, though, is going to be the other to the Uttermost parts of the earth. When he talked to the apostles, when he said, I'm leaving. Yeah. Remember, he ascended, so he. So he's resurrected. He walks around the earth for 40 days talking to people about things pertaining to the kingdom. In a weird way, during that 40 days. This is a crazy thought. I'm not saying it's accurate, but, you know, but, like, during that 40 days, do you remember he was, like, appearing. He was just coming into rooms and stuff.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah. Like, walking through walls.

[Matt]

And during that time, if people say he showed up in Tibet. I don't know. I don't know the scripture, like, or.

[Raven]

Maybe showed up in China.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Raven]

China seems to know about him, but.

[Matt]

That would be wild if he did.

[Raven]

There are actually writings from, like, Chinese officials that say that, like, the. I forgot exactly what it was. It was like there was this certain amount of time of. Of darkness, or there was a sign in the sky, and the way they wrote about it said that the Son of Heaven had. Had died. Yeah, it's really fascinating. I wish I still had that. There's actually a guy. I think the person that posted this was the character Daniel versus Babylon. Which is. Which is interesting, but. But it was like, there was a couple of writings that were in Chinese history. They coveted and kept those texts for all that time. And it was like there was a sign in the sky. And what did the sign in the sky mean? They said they took it as, like, the man of heaven has. Has died. It was like, whoa, who knows?

[Matt]

I think I heard somebody say that recently. And I was like, I don't know. That sounds wild. But if you said he was showing up on other places, maybe. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

I was just asking because, like, the. Just the relationship of, like, Egypt, Israel, and then it always seems to be married, and there seems to be stuff coming out of Egypt, necessarily not necessarily good. But, you know, Jesus goes in there and then comes on. There's just nothing written about it. So I was like, I wonder what Matt knows.

[Matt]

But.

[Top Lobster]

All right, let's.

[Matt]

Yeah, good point.

[Top Lobster]

Let's move on. Let's move on to the.

[Matt]

Okay, so then. Okay, so now we're getting into it. So this isn't just random immigration, where they're just saying, like, yeah, open up the borders and bring everybody in.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I bring the best of the best.

[Matt]

Yeah, bring the only. The best of the best. And somewhere else. It doesn't say it right here, but he says, like, keep the poor in the land to take care of the vineyards and Stuff like, leave them in Israel, take care of the land. They'll provide us food and stuff. I know that's super offensive, but like that, like any sane nation, that's how they've always done immigration.

[Top Lobster]

This is how you get like the head of gold. And this is why America is like, what is like miri clay mixed with iron, because it's like. It's just kind of garbage.

[Matt]

Oh, you're jumping ahead. I'm just. Okay. So the king appoints them a daily provision of the king's meat and of the wine which he drank, so nourishing them three years that at the end they might stand before the king. So all these guys, they're saying, these are certified badasses. Let's give them the king's food, let's train them up, and then they can come and present themselves before the king, and he'll decide if he's going to put him in his cabinet, if you will. So now, among these were of the children of Judah, Daniel, Hananiah, Michelle and Azariah, under whom the prince of the eunuchs gave names. For he gave unto Daniel the name Belshazzar, and the Hananiah, Shadrach and Michael of Meshach and Azariah, Abednego. Right. So they're going to get fed by the king.

[Raven]

Am I understanding this right? Daniel was one of those guys that was like, high in spiritual discernment, intellect, and all those other things. And they're trying to train him up.

[Top Lobster]

Science, which is interesting.

[Matt]

Yeah, they were. They were. They had intellect. They had. They were intelligent in their soul. And remember, we're made of spirit, soul and body. So these are dudes that are intelligent in the soul, but they also have spirit capability, too. Like, they recognize that. Like, especially the ancient people recognize spirit realm stuff. Yeah, yeah. We don't today because our society is so materialistic in America. Like, we don't. We don't. Like, we just think that's silly. But they were very hyper aware of that back in the day.

[Raven]

Daniel was a eunuch.

[Matt]

No, no, no.

[Raven]

Okay, you guys got. I was just checking.

[Matt]

Okay, but this is a big thing. This is a big thing. But Daniel, this is verse 8. But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king's meat, nor with the wine which he drank. Therefore, he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.

[Raven]

So he saw taking even food and drink from them as defilement.

[Matt]

Well, if they're. Yeah, they've got pork chops and hot dogs on the table. And he's saying, like, yeah, we. We can't eat that. Like, okay, yeah, no, this is defiling me. And. And looks like the wine, too, at this time of his life.

[Raven]

But he knows that they're trying to train him up in the ways of Babylon right now.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think this is another crazy thought. Do you think at this time period when you were dealing with, like, GMO stuff? Like. Because when God sends. Follow me, I know it's crazy. When he sends Israel and he's like, yo, get rid of everybody. The donkeys, the people, just get rid of them. My assumption is because there is some kind of, like, I don't know, nephilim stuff going on. There's a bioengineering of this. This. I was looking at the donkeys on the road, and I was thinking. I was like, if I took that house, should I kill those donkeys? Like, if I just took it. If I just took it from the. And, like, I. This is where my thought goes. Because one of my prayers. Before we started this show, one of the things that I did not understand, and I was like, if. If you want me to understand about God, I gotta understand the Old Testament, why they had to go in and kill these people. Because I was like, that just sounds like genocide and.

[Raven]

Yeah, and that's what a lot of people say. They give a lot of pushback to the Old Testament because of that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, because it's crazy. If you. If you're looking at it, you're like, so just kill everything. Like, everything. Leave nothing alive. Not even the goats. Well, then you get presented with the idea, the Nephilim and all that. I was like, yeah, if there's, like, you know, some genetically modified.

[Matt]

I see your point.

[Top Lobster]

If it's genetically modified.

[Matt]

I don't think the food was genetically modified. I don't know. Like. Well, I think. Far from it. Because then he says, let's put it to the test. He's eating just vegetables and they look great. Great.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matt]

So, I mean.

[Top Lobster]

All right. Yeah. I was asking if they were doing.

[Matt]

Quite the opposite, I think. Quite the opposite. Like, back then. Yeah. Like, the food was good. Did you ever know the. Dude, you're like a Marsh mixed martial arts guy, right?

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Did you ever know the guy, the Prince of Persia? The. The. He was a UFC fighter, og. He's.

[Raven]

I'm thinking of the boxer. Never mind. Going anyway.

[Matt]

The Prince of Persia. He came in the shop one day. Dude's legit. Like, I just knew he was legit. We started talking.

[Raven]

I love that game.

[Matt]

And we were just talking about everything they grow in Iran. He's from Iran. He's from battle.

[Raven]

It's like, it all crushes.

[Matt]

Yeah. Grow our vegetables, our fruit. Like, everything grows so good there. Like the soil and. And so I don't know. So, like, Daniel, not to jump the gun on this, but we get down into. We get down into verse 12, you know, they say you have to be eating everything the king serves in verse 12. Daniel says, no, no, we can't. We don't want to defile ourselves. And he says, no, you guys are gonna look terrible if you're not eating the king's food. He says, no, let's put. Let's put it to the test.

[Top Lobster]

This dude here.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's my guy, bro.

[Raven]

That's cool.

[Matt]

That's my guy. Yeah, the Prince of Persia. No, he's legit, dude. He's legit. He's, like, in his 50s now, just shredded. He's just, like, in great shape.

[Raven]

That's awesome.

[Matt]

But he was just talking about how good the food is there.

[Raven]

But they would. They were seeing it as offensive, that he would need it.

[Matt]

Yeah, they didn't want to defile themselves.

[Raven]

Yeah, no, no, I'm saying the Babylonians, who are trying to get him to eat it, and he's giving them pushback, and they're seeing it as like, this is offensive to the kingdom.

[Matt]

Well, the servant is saying just specifically that you're gonna look terrible, bro. Like, what do you mean? You're gonna eat just vegetables. And.

[Raven]

Oh, he's saying, like, you can't be a vegan bodybuilder.

[Matt]

Right. Which I don't think Daniel was. Because later he goes on a fast, not a complete fast, but he doesn't eat meat and wine. So I'm not saying this is forever, because people are like, oh, look, in Daniel, it says they only ate vegetables. And your wife's carnivore, like, what do you. Like, how do you defend.

[Raven]

Veganism is gay.

[Matt]

No, it's like, this is, like, the short time. And that's what I'm saying is, like, the vegetables back then. Who knows how rad of vegetables they have back then that we don't even know about, dude, you're going to. You're going to grocery store.

[Raven]

In America, maybe the protein was bioavailable.

[Matt]

There's, like, so little to pick from, bro. Like, in Babylon, back in the day, they could have, like, the raddest foods with, like, tons of protein in some of the vegetables, like, who knows, man?

[Raven]

Do you think quick aside that in the garden they were. What did Doctor. He's not a doctor at all, homeboy. Who does Old World Florida, he's Dr. Narco Longo. I'm just going to call him Narco Longo. I don't. I don't have enough respect to call him doctor. But he says that, you know, Adam and Eve are fruitarians, that all they ate was fruit, and that that is our natural state. But of course, we're not geared that way anymore. Something happened during a fall away?

[Matt]

Well, yeah, I mean, when Noah gets off the. Gets off the ark, God says, all right, start eating the meat.

[Raven]

Yeah. So before that we were just going hard on veggies and fruit.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[Matt]

In a perfect world, man, I mean, you probably could, but if you went vegetarian or vegan today, you know how much glyphosate you'd be eating? Dude, you'd be eating tons and tons of poison raisin, bro.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah, When I eat. I mean, unless you grew all your.

[Matt]

Own, then you'd be all right. But bro, if you're eating the stuff in the store, dude, it's covered.

[Raven]

It tastes like plastic.

[Top Lobster]

So Noah was. Noah was basically vegetarian before.

[Matt]

It looks that way. It looks that way. Like they weren't eating meat, if I remember right. Like they weren't eating meat up until then. And after the flood, when he gets off the boat is when God says, yeah, go ahead and eat the meat now.

[Top Lobster]

You know what?

[Raven]

Must have been this.

[Top Lobster]

This is what I'm thinking about is like. Because all this stuff is probably like nephilimized, man. This probably. They were probably just like mixing animals, like.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Did you see the rabbit with the horns and the tentacles on his face? You didn't see that?

[Matt]

Oh, did you send me that or.

[Raven]

This is recent. This is like something about that.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, I don't know, it's like.

[Matt]

A disease that got loose in Colorado or something.

[Raven]

Something like this.

[Top Lobster]

No, I didn't say basis. My mom sends me skits.

[Raven]

We talked about this. We talked about this on Frank's Frank Sense.

[Top Lobster]

There it is right there. This guy's got like horns on his head or something like that.

[Matt]

Yeah. I don't know, bro.

[Top Lobster]

You know what?

[Raven]

Must have been craz.

[Matt]

Weird stuff on the planet, man.

[Raven]

That doesn't even look real.

[Top Lobster]

Well, we're in the days of Noah and we're doing all this genetic manipulation. I think that. I think that. We're back, baby. We're back.

[Matt]

Well, that's I mean, Jesus pinpointed two time periods, right? He said, as it was in the days of Noah, so will be at the coming of the son of man. As it was in the days a lot. So it will be at the coming of the Son of man. I mean, when.

[Raven]

When Noah was told to eat the. The animals and he was probably like, dude, what? Like, we've never.

[Matt]

What?

[Raven]

And then when he did it, he must have been like, this is good. You made them delicious. They've been delicious this whole time. That's crazy. God made them delicious and didn' know anybody.

[Matt]

And who knows, like, what? Dude, Bro, who has any clue what that world looked like before the flood? Especially in the garden. But even. But even outside the garden and after the curse. Yeah, like pre flood, who has any idea what that food was like, bro? It was like. Was there just food growing everywhere that was like super healthy and nutritious and it was. It was Whole Foods. They weren't making pop Tarts, you know what I mean? Thank God they weren't making, like, Mac and cheese.

[Raven]

They don't make them the same anymore. So. So Daniel was a vegan bodybuilder. He goes, so, yeah, like, I'll show you.

[Matt]

But this is the big point. Like, this is the big point. Especially when we did this with the boys the other week because some of these kids are getting ready to go off to college and they're like, yeah, I'm gonna always be a Christian. I'm like, okay, but you boys are in the long game.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So I always try to tell them, like, that's great you went to camp. You're on fire. I love that.

[Raven]

That's young lads.

[Matt]

Nothing wrong with that. But you gotta understand, you're in the long game. Yeah, yeah, the long, long game.

[Top Lobster]

That's the thing. Like, when you're dealing with 17 year olds, it's like. It's almost like, man, you have no idea what life's about to throw at.

[Matt]

You, but you just tell them that. That. Yeah, and just make sure they know. And you show them this passage, because this is the key to Daniel's entire life, bro. He's like a teenager at this time. When we read the whole book. He's in Babylon the whole time till. Till the Medes and Persians come and take over Babylon. So that's 70 years, bro. So he goes from this time period. He's like a teenager, I think is what. Is what the thought is. He lives another 70 years. He's in all these different kingdoms that come in. They all go, we Want Daniel in the cabinet. They all.

[Raven]

They all come and say, Daniel one of those dudes that lives like. Like hundreds of years.

[Matt]

No, don't think so.

[Raven]

Don't think so. He was just oldest.

[Matt]

But this is the key to the whole thing. Verse 8, Daniel purposed in his heart. This is the key to the whole book, bro. Like, this is the whole thing. He didn't just get into Babylon again. There's who knows how many tens of thousands of Jews are in Babylon now, right? This is the one dude who made a difference, right? He purposed in his heart ahead of time. Like. Like, that's the whole key to everything, bro.

[Raven]

Like, what does that mean? Like, he. He made a conviction in himself.

[Matt]

Yeah. He said, like, but. But it's because this is a food thing, which people think isn't a big deal, but, like, Adam and Eve, sin was food.

[Raven]

That's true.

[Matt]

Like. Like Jesus, first temptation in the garden, or not in the garden, but in the wilderness. Food was. In regards to food.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You know, he said, no, no, I won't miraculously make bread for myself. I'm gonna miraculously make bread a little bit down the road, but for everybody else. But I won't do it for personal gain. But it was a food issue, food.

[Raven]

Being like, the ultimate desire of the flesh.

[Matt]

I mean, we talked about it before, right? That, like, demons will haunt us around. The same way we hunt animals. The demons will haunt us around our carnal desires for. For food and sexual perversion. Like, that's, like, that's how they.

[Raven]

What do you think about those who say that the transgression in the garden was of a sexual nature and the language is. Is like, masking that.

[Matt]

I don't know. What did Saint and Satan boned? Eve did.

[Raven]

Like, that's the idea. And I don't know. Well, there's like a rare.

[Top Lobster]

There's a David one because with the microphone, you gotta. We gotta. We gotta do one at a time.

[Raven]

Okay. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Professionals, Dave. No, no, it's good. It's good.

[Raven]

All right.

[Top Lobster]

I expect more from.

[Raven]

You're doing great.

[Matt]

He's just excited because his Bible stuff is very exciting.

[Top Lobster]

I know. Relax.

[Raven]

Okay. All right.

[Top Lobster]

So he'll be here. He'll be here every week. He said he's going to be here.

[Raven]

We're gonna do this every week. We're gonna do this every week. We got to remove the chairs. If we do, it's.

[Top Lobster]

We'll figure it out. It'll be. Yeah, but. Okay, so go ahead.

[Raven]

So there's a rare instance where a Woman can be come pregnant by. By two individuals and bear twins.

[Matt]

Yeah, I already know where you're going. I think. No, but I think I've seen some stuff on that where it's like. So the one. So Kane was actually the child of Satan.

[Raven]

Satan, yeah. Serpent seed.

[Matt]

And then Abel was actually the kid of Adam.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

They just both boned and she got pregnant by both of them.

[Raven]

There are like, I think like 8th and 11th century texts that. And that's like, way after the fact, obviously. Right. But that are. People have these convictions and they believe that that was the case. And I forget exactly what those texts are, but it came up in the cane thing that I'm looking into.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's a crazy. I'm telling you, man, we're never gonna get through this book, but.

[Matt]

Okay, well, I don't like to automatically just brush stuff off and laugh at it, but I don't know. That one's a little. That one's like.

[Raven]

Fair enough, fair enough.

[Top Lobster]

The idea of Cain being the.

[Raven]

Oh, no, no. That's a whole nother.

[Matt]

He's just a son of Adam. He's just a son of Adam. And there's. And there's wickedness in us.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matt]

You know what I'm saying? Like, Cain is a human. He's the son of Adam. He's a descendant of Adam. And there's wickedness in us. Oh, yeah. And I want to.

[Raven]

Sexual transgression.

[Matt]

It's like to be a little careful trying to pinpoint it, even with the Nephilim, which. Which. Which happened before the flood. But like, the issue was man. Man's. Man's heart became evil. Like, it all comes back to man. Everything was given to man, so it always comes back to man.

[Top Lobster]

Right, Right. Yeah. See that, that's another interesting idea because, like, when we come at it from like. Well, they. They were like nephilim all over the place and.

[Matt]

Should I have not gave him the energy drink? Sorry for cutting you.

[Raven]

Probably not a lot. Probably. Okay.

[Matt]

Yeah. I'm gonna have your energy, though.

[Raven]

Yeah. Next time we'll give him a sedative, maybe. Sleep.

[Matt]

Sleep.

[Raven]

It's gonna be.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, no, no, the thing is, is that, like, it's just the way the mic setup is. I'm just like, all right, we gotta be a little more mic conscious. But it's fine. Yeah. Like with the show, a lot of the times we'll talk about the idea of the Nephilim, and it's like. It's almost like a cop out to be like. Well, there was like mad Nephilim on the Earth in those days. No, no, man, not just the. Because some people like to go Sons of Seth and then the. The transgressions of man. How wicked man was. And I was like, well, there's another side to that, right? There's like, there's Nephilim on the Earth also. They had to be wiped out. But, yeah, certainly both. Why not both? Yeah, probably both.

[Matt]

You know, definitely both. Definitely. Man. Man is help. No, it's just like now, like, people be like, oh, you don't understand. I had a demon. You're held responsible for if you have a demon. Yeah.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah. It's.

[Matt]

You're.

[Raven]

You're the one that's giving permission. You're the one who's engaging in the thing that's opening the doorways.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. So not to go down a major rabbit trail, but if those Nephilim stuff that died, they're party angel, part human. Like an angel supposed to exist forever. If a human dies, there's a place for their spirit to go. Well, if a party angel part human dies, there's nowhere for that spirit to go. Right. Thought is, those are the roaming spirits.

[Top Lobster]

They're hanging out here.

[Matt]

They're entering people. They have to get inside people to act out their loss.

[Raven]

Extra canonical text, Book of Enoch, Yay or nay.

[Matt]

As far as.

[Raven]

As far as validity, I mean, the.

[Matt]

Bible references it, so.

[Raven]

Right. But a lot of people say, no, it was excluded for a reason.

[Matt]

Yeah, but if the Bible references it, then, I mean, like, think about in Jude, it says that Michael fought with Satan over the body of Moses. We don't have that story. But. But Jude tells that story. Like, everybody's familiar with that story. That story is found in Enoch.

[Top Lobster]

Was that. I don't.

[Matt]

Or even like Janice and Jambres. Like, Paul's talking to somebody. He must be talking to Timothy. He talks about how Janice and Jambre is. How they were like, that's how it's going to be in the last days. Well, Janice and Jambreus aren't named in the Bible, but they're. Those are the names of the magicians in Egypt that's named in Enoch. I don't know. So say. So say Enoch is this whole book. I don't know how I've read it, but I can't remember how, like how many chapters or how many verses it is. If there's one sentence that's wrong in it, it can't go in the scripture. Like, it's. I don't know, in the wisdom of God. It was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, though. You know what I mean?

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It's just. It's just this book that. It seems like the Bible writers assume that people that were reading the Bible were already familiar with it. Seems like that. It seems like that.

[Raven]

Interesting.

[Matt]

But you can hang your entire life on the word of God if there's no Enoch or nothing else. And I don't need anything from Enoch to validate, like, Nephilim. Like, that's. It's like, totally clear as you follow Israel and they come out of Egypt, and then where they go on the way to the promised land, they're, like, wiping out og, King of Bashan. Like, you got. You got that scenario. You got Raphaim, you got. You got. Got tons of Nephilim tribes. And then you end up. Yeah, wipe out everything.

[Raven]

It's interesting because people really fight on that one.

[Matt]

They go, no, not.

[Raven]

Not. Not Enoch specifically, but, like, the Nephilim in general. The idea of giants or anything like that.

[Matt]

They dig up the bones, bro. You can't really say. There's.

[Raven]

We were talking about something recently in the Smithsonian came up, and it was like, what about the Smithsonian? Where was it?

[Matt]

They got the bones and they hide the bones.

[Raven]

Hudson.

[Matt]

Yeah. Or no, because. Because the thing is, is, like, everything happened by chance. They could. They don't call it chance, they call it evolution. Everything came by evolution. It's just like, everything was little. Then it got bigger and smarter, which is exactly opposite of how God explains time in another chapter.

[Top Lobster]

Smaller dog.

[Matt]

But. But, you know, so if you have, like, big people in the past, it doesn't fit the narrative.

[Raven]

Okay, all right, all right. So let's. Let's continue on.

[Matt]

Okay, so he purposed in his heart, right? So it's a food thing, which we have. Like, think of how many people are enslaved to food today, bro. Like, imagine if you have to tell people 100 years from now, like, like, oh, we had an epidemic, man. It was an obesity epidemic. You don't understand. There was pork chops and ice cream. Like, it's gonna be so crazy to, like, explain to people that there was an actual epidemic of sickness in our nation because we had so much food and people couldn't control it.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So, like, that's one layer to the scripture. I know some people don't like this. They say, oh, no, the scripture only means, like, one thing. But I think there's multiple layers to the scripture. And so, like, as we're talking about, you know, they're going through. They're wiping out entire tribes and killing people in the Old Testament, that application isn't to us today. That's clearly not to us. To be, to be killing people like ours has turned the other cheek. Stuff like this. Well, there is another application to that, is that we're at war with the spirit realm now. Like, our fight is not against flesh and blood, but it is against principalities and powers and rulers in high places now. Right, right. So, like, you take that natural thing that we learned through the scripture and there's a spiritual application to it. To me, it's the same thing here. Like, there's a natural application with the food, but the spiritual application is what are you feeding your spirit on? This is the big thing. And this is what made him different. He purposed in his heart he wasn't going to feed on the same thing that the world fed on. And the world was going to tell him, like, oh, no, man, if you don't feed on what we feed on, you won't be cool, you won't fit in, you won't make money, you won't. Whatever he said, let's put it a test, because the man of God will always say that.

[Raven]

That's an interesting move too, to practice any sort of restriction in a. What I imagine is a city of abundance, much like, like New York City, where it's like everything you could want at any given moment is right around the corner. To do any sort of restriction like that is. It's a. It's a spiritual challenge.

[Matt]

Amen. That's. So you guys. I don't know, maybe you probably haven't run into this yet, but maybe if, like God gives you light on a thing, then you start to hold other people accountable for the light that God has given you. If God's like explained something to you and giving you revelation and insight on thing you maybe you guys hopefully never go through.

[Raven]

Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't do that.

[Matt]

I was like, super judgy on other people.

[Raven]

Really?

[Matt]

Yeah, just like stuff the Lord showed me. Like, for me personally, like, you're talking about, like, discipline, like, that's the core of the word, disciples.

[Raven]

I wouldn't do it because it was like only a few weeks ago. I wasn't. So how could I then be like.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, it's been done to me, right? I think we had a private conversation about that sort of thing.

[Matt]

Sorry.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no.

[Raven]

He does that to us constantly.

[Top Lobster]

No, no. Like, I mean, I don't know if you're comfortable of talking, talking about what you said Before.

[Matt]

About anything. Yeah.

[Raven]

Doing meth in the dumpster.

[Top Lobster]

No, he had your. Your. Your drug usage. And then you were still in the church actually telling people that you did this thing, and they were like. Like, judging you, but they have no real way of bringing you out of it only to tell you, like.

[Matt]

Right, right.

[Top Lobster]

That you shouldn't. So it's like.

[Raven]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's not. If I have those convictions for myself, those are probably for myself. I could show you what I do, how I live, and then if you want to kind of copy that after.

[Matt]

That'S the right thing. That's the right way to do it.

[Top Lobster]

But it's slow.

[Raven]

It's like, lead by example.

[Matt]

Yeah, but I didn't have that. I was, like, a junkie. And. Yeah, and that story I had told the whole, like, Bible study group, that I was still snorting oxycontins, and they were just, like, in terror, which I get. But, yeah, they didn't have anything to say. And I was like, oh, no, it's not what you put in your body that makes you unclean. It's what comes out. Right.

[Raven]

Oh, that's fascinating.

[Narrator]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But then the Lord checked me on it himself. Like, he checked me on it, and then I never did drugs ever again once we had that whole encounter. But I did have an issue where the Lord was dealing with me about not eating fast food. This is gonna be stupid. I'm gonna say it anyway. Oh, no.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It was just a discipline thing. It was just like, bro, this is like a careless, frivolous lifestyle. Like, you should be different with your money, different with your food and what you're eating, different with being prepared with food. And don't f. Around with food because it gets out of control quick. Right. But I would be judgy on people who ate fast food and, like, stuff like that. That wasn't the only thing. And the Lord had to finally deal with me. Like, bro, I didn't tell them that. Like, I didn't. I didn't talk to them about that. So there's. There's stuff in the scripture that we hold each other accountable for. But if there's this thing the Lord's trying to talk to you about, you can't run around. Yeah, I can't run around and demand that other people, you know, do. What I'm saying that works for me.

[Raven]

Is that applied to, like, the plank in your eye kind of a deal. Right. Where it's like, yeah, I. I have that issue with. With food. In a big way, because I used to be homeless. And so the idea of, like, not finishing all your food is, like, a huge issue for me. So I'll. I. I will, like, same. If I go, I'll clear my family's plate. Like, if they're gonna go scrape something in the garbage. Like, no, dude, I'm eating all of the food.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

That's on this table.

[Matt]

I respect that.

[Raven]

And I. But I also go, like, sometimes it's just, like, something snaps in me, and I'm just eating everything. Like, everything. I'm, like, going through my wife's like, you. We ate dinner, and then you had, like, several other things, and you're still.

[Matt]

And I'm like, only because we have an abundance.

[Raven]

Yeah. Can't happen without the abundance. Right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Well. And that's what this is what we're talking about here, right? So is there an abundance in Babylon as well? This is, like, why people are kind of freaking out over there.

[Raven]

No, there has to be, right?

[Matt]

Yeah. Well, it's the king's palace. That's what I'm saying. The average American lives, like, how a king. You used to live. That's all. That's all I'm trying to say. Like, we walk in a building, like, a giant building. There's a refrigerator section, freezer section.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Not refrigerated. There's all this stuff, bro. You. You have this.

[Top Lobster]

I got, like, three refrigerators out there. It's wild, bro.

[Matt]

You have a box. It has.

[Raven]

You see how disgusted he looked at you?

[Matt]

And you just, like, go around and you shove stuff in there from all around the planet, bro. And then you just get to the thing, and you have a. You, like, pull a card out. You go like this.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You come home, you have food from all over the planet, and then you.

[Raven]

Eat part of it and you go. You throw the rest in the trash.

[Matt]

The only people who live like that was kings, bro. Every ever in history, you talk about, like, poor people in America, it's like, even poor people have, like, that much food.

[Raven]

We went to a restaurant yesterday, and Top didn't finish, like, his piece of chicken. And you know what?

[Matt]

I got it.

[Raven]

I literally, like, took the chicken and I ate it.

[Top Lobster]

Well, because, I mean, I think I. I've learned a lesson of when I'm done eating, then I just stop eating.

[Matt]

Now. Yeah.

[Raven]

Oh, I can't. I need to.

[Matt]

You don't take it to go box. I'm at to go box. Yeah, bro.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I bring it to go. I'll eat it later. I Had almost. David ate it for me right there.

[Matt]

But.

[Top Lobster]

But, yeah. No, it's like, that's the thing about what Daniel's doing. I guess it's. It's purposing. I. Well, so he's. He's like, showing this self control, especially with the food.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

I'm trying my best to do that. And people get mad at me. They're like, you know, like, my mom's in the chat. She's like, you're not eating. I was like, I ate. I ate his mama lobster. Out of your mind. I ate as much as I wanted.

[Matt]

Your mom's in the chat.

[Top Lobster]

She's right there.

[Raven]

She's awesome.

[Top Lobster]

She's saying that they didn't have a particular hot heart for God. People.

[Matt]

People. Yeah, there you go.

[Top Lobster]

But, yeah, when I'm. When I'm done, I'm done. I'm trying my best.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Top Lobster]

Although sometimes I'll still be like, you know, but most of the time I'm like, yo, bro, I'm done. And when I'm done, I'm done. And we'll put it to the side.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Then it gets cranky.

[Matt]

But I like this dude, too, because he's, like, being faithful in a small thing. Right. Like, I was just talking about this to somebody the other day. When I first got converted, I couldn't talk. Like, now. Now, you see, I just can't stop talking back then. I, like, couldn't. I couldn't talk, man.

[Raven]

What do you mean you couldn't talk?

[Matt]

I was just an idiot. It. You had no education, literally never stopped. I did a ton of drugs, and I was just, like, stupid and didn't know how to carry, like, normal conversations with people.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah. And so I wanted to preach the gospel, but I kind of couldn't. But I was always on job sites. I was a flooring installer, so I don't know if you guys ever use Porta Pots on construction sites, but it's like the most heinous, like, racial slurs and sexual.

[Raven]

Oh, you're writing scripture.

[Matt]

Yeah, I used to always write Matthew 28. 28. Jesus said, I'm with you always, even until the end of the world. And I just feel like the Lord knew my heart. He was like, bro, I know. Like, you want to do something? Like, you did this little thing. Yeah, I wrote on every. Dude, every porta Pot.

[Raven]

I love that.

[Matt]

Every quarter I was ever in, I wrote that because that's all I had at the time.

[Raven]

You never know what that's actually.

[Top Lobster]

Vandalism. So could you actually no, no.

[Matt]

It was only. If there was a. If there was one that was not written on, then I wouldn't do it. But it already had all the racials. Like. Yeah, like, usually next to a swastika, I would write it.

[Raven]

I was going through something one time and. And I. And I sat. I was really going through it. And long story short, I stumbled upon these words inside of a closet. And it said, come what may. And like, somehow that little phrase, like, really lifted me up. It was like, it doesn't matter what happens. Like, this is life. Let whatever happened, happened.

[Matt]

Amen.

[Raven]

And so, yeah, you never know who that's gonna help. That's. It could be huge for a lot of people who are.

[Matt]

I just thought it was a rap because I was like, who else can make that promise? Yeah, I'm with you always. Even until the end of the world.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, for sure, man.

[Matt]

Okay. So he says, okay. Prove your servants 10 days. So they. So he puts it to the test. So I'm a man of God. I'm not going to go hide behind something or pretend like my God's real. But really, I don't believe. Let's put it to the test, bro. So they put it to the test. They come back and they say, these guys look just as good as anybody who is eating all the king's meat. They said, okay, you passed the test. You don't have to defile yourself with the pork chops and the hot dogs.

[Top Lobster]

There you go.

[Raven]

Based.

[Matt]

Okay, so 17. As for these. These four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom. And Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams. So that's what I'm saying, dude. These guys had, like, had like, soul. They had, like, soul strength and they had spirit.

[Top Lobster]

So that's interesting. So as for these four children, God gave them knowledge and skill in all. All learning and wisdom. And Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.

[Matt]

Yeah, this is like next level wisdom.

[Top Lobster]

That's the thing. Like, I wish. So whatever. I guess I'll just dox myself. That's. My name is Daniel. That's. Holy sh.

[Raven]

Wait.

[Top Lobster]

Holy.

[Raven]

Wait a second. Wait a minute. Where's my crazy?

[Top Lobster]

Come after me. Docs me, bro.

[Raven]

No, whatever.

[Top Lobster]

But David has these dreams and then I'm like, should I be. Do me a favor. There. Do you see that?

[Raven]

No, don't press the button.

[Top Lobster]

The pink box. No, the box on the right hand corner. That one right there? Yeah, press that one. David got these dreams.

[Raven]

You never interpret them.

[Top Lobster]

I can't.

[Matt]

Daniel.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay. You said David.

[Top Lobster]

David.

[Matt]

Oh, David has.

[Raven]

Yeah. I'm not actually named Raven.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, he's not.

[Raven]

That's what my last name means.

[Top Lobster]

When I come into the coffee shop, Matt's like, where's the Raven? I like that, though.

[Raven]

That's. That's really nice. Unnecessary level of respect, but I appreciate.

[Matt]

People love this guy.

[Raven]

Yeah, but he's very distant.

[Matt]

Like, he's in the room, but he's not in the room, but they love him.

[Raven]

Oh, I like that. Yeah. That's how I live.

[Top Lobster]

He's got the dreams, and I can't interpret them. Dreams. I'm just like, that's a crazy dream. Or when he tells me I got a dream, I'm like, I don't want to hear it.

[Matt]

You know what, though?

[Raven]

He says that, but if I tell him, like. Yeah. If I call him up and I go like, I have a dream, he's like, what's up, man? Like, he locks in. That happened when I told you. When I cried like a woman on the porch and I called you.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And I said I had a. Something. You know, something spoke to me. And you said, what? Tell me.

[Top Lobster]

Interesting old dreams. So, like, Daniel never missed.

[Matt]

No. That's wild. But we see what his secret was. It was. His secret wasn't Dan. Daniel.

[Raven]

No, it was.

[Matt]

Secret was God.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Okay.

[Matt]

All right. Okay. So God gives him, like, next level wisdom. Like, James talks about that there's a wisdom of the earth and there's a wisdom from heaven. Like, there's. That's two different things, right? So, like, this is another issue in the modern American church is like, you get intellectuals just like preaching because they're smart. There's. There's smart people.

[Top Lobster]

Jordan Peterson, like, I. Have you heard his sermon from, like, Genesis, And I think he also has the book of Revelation.

[Matt]

I don't know. But yeah, maybe that. I don't know. I don't know.

[Raven]

I never heard it preach.

[Matt]

But, like, it's an intellectual. Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And it's. It's good on a level. But I'm like. But then knowing what I know now, going back, listen to him. Like, you missed a lot, dog. A lot. Most of it. But it's. It. I think it's interesting, that perspective, void of spirituality.

[Matt]

There's a thing people ask about, like, who's in the library? Like, how do you pick who's the books in the library? And I guess, like, the easiest explanation I could give is like, anybody I read and I'm reading their stuff. I'm like, dude, this guy Knows God like that. Like, that's it. I don't even care what his theology is, what is doctrine, because everybody in the library is going to have different doctrines and different theologies. One guy's going to say pre trib, another guy, post trib, mid trib. Another guy doesn't even care. But. But like, you're reading the guys, you're saying, like, dude, this guy knows the Lord. Like, that's all I care about. When somebody's talking. That's all I care about. I don't want to argue. The. The Pharisees had flawless doctrine. Flawless doctrine. Job's buddies had. Had flawless doctrine. You couldn't. You couldn't beat those guys in an argument. Any of those guys didn't matter. They didn't know the Lord.

[Top Lobster]

That's what, that's what you had, right? When you're. You're like defending your, like, snorting oxy.

[Raven]

Like, when you're right, did I flawlessly.

[Top Lobster]

I could defend this, but it's like, well, well, what am I doing, though? You know? Like, I could defend bad actions.

[Matt]

No, I was wrong. That was wrong. I didn't. But I thought it at the time. I thought, like, no, man, I could just keep going. It's all I knew, bro, since I was 13. Like, that's the only way of life I knew was like, yeah, just being high all the time. So it was like there was no other option. I was like, what do you mean? I'm just like you. It's just some high all the time.

[Raven]

Lots of people say that Satanists know the Bible better than you do, kind of a deal. Right? It's like they understand. They know it all this, so they're going to use it as an argument against you. They can sit there and argue point by point.

[Matt]

Satan did Jesus in the temptation, bro. He quoted scripture to him. They went back and forth. It is written. It is written. It is written. It is written.

[Top Lobster]

Right, Right. Exactly, man. All right, let's. Let's continue. Let's continue.

[Matt]

Okay. So, all right, so he's got. He's got next level wisdom and understanding now. At the end of the days, nobody was like, these four guys. I'm not going to read the whole thing in the King James because it goes. It's just wonky. You know what I mean? Like, it makes sense to me, but most people just get lost when you're reading.

[Raven]

Yeah, well, I appreciate this. This is like the book of Daniel bridge.

[Matt]

Yeah. So verse 20. This is. This is the last of chapter one. And in all matters of wisdom and understanding that the king required of them. He found them 10 times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in his realm.

[Raven]

One more time. Can you say one more time in.

[Matt]

All matters of wisdom and understanding that the king inquired of them. So King Nebuchadnezzar, they brought him before him.

[Raven]

He found Daniel and his homies 10 times. 10 times better.

[Matt]

He found them 10 times better than all the magicians and astrologers that were in all his realm. Remember, these dudes surround themselves with spiritual people. People.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Like.

[Matt]

Like they don't have astrologers and magicians around because they're like their accountants. It doesn't anything to do with the natural realm.

[Raven]

They're like their spiritual advisors. Yes, yes.

[Matt]

Because they recognize the spirit realm back then. But he sees these dudes. He says they're 10 times stronger. But dude, if all the books. Like, this is a long game, Watch how much this guy kind of flip flops a little bit. Nebuchadnezzar. He's like, oh, these guys are the best. And maybe he kind of forgets, then he kind of comes back.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's the interesting part. Like, they. He's constantly forgetting, and then he's kind.

[Matt]

Of like, oh, yeah, bro, it's the long game. Daniel's there for 70 years, bro. We have like six chap. Like, we. We read this, like, chapter one happened on Monday. Chapter two happened on Tuesday.

[Raven]

Well, that's what I said when we were. When we were trying to find it. I was like, this is a very short book, not a very long one at all.

[Matt]

Who knows what all was happening? Probably in the middle of all that. They had, like, their Epstein things, and Trump did this, and like, whoever else in the news did that. And Putin and Trump are in Alaska.

[Raven]

But these are the highlights.

[Matt]

Just. Just meaningless stuff. Stuff that everybody just got caught up on. But, like, that none of that mattered.

[Raven]

This is what you need to know.

[Matt]

Yes. This is. The whole Bible is God's like, bro, I got stories for days. Yeah, I can tell you stories from, like, all over the. But these are the ones I want you to know.

[Raven]

That's why people go like, oh, other texts have all this stuff, and you're just relying on the Bible. It's like, well, this is like, if it. If it had everything, it would be.

[Top Lobster]

And I'm very happy. Big book. Very happy to announce I found the version of the Bible that we usually look at with Ed because I used a different browser. But now we're back. This is like a Lot.

[Raven]

Nice.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So people could follow along when we.

[Matt]

And like. A readable one. Yeah, doing a readable one. Because King James, people just lose it.

[Top Lobster]

You don't want the king. What version do you want? Actually, this is actually King James Bible online. So this is what they got.

[Matt]

Whatever. Yeah, that works.

[Top Lobster]

Get smarter is what we're saying. Be smarter people.

[Matt]

I don't know if I told you guys, I used to go to all black church, and they. No, yeah, they use King James, bro. So it was like, I asked the dude that because I met a dude at a Bible study. A black dude at a Bible study. I was like, yeah, this dude knows the law.

[Raven]

Tell me the truth, are all black churches more fun?

[Top Lobster]

The music is.

[Raven]

I. I used to play with the more fun.

[Matt]

No, no, no. The question was fun. Yeah, and the music is way better.

[Top Lobster]

I used to play. I used to play with, like. I would travel to my friend's church, an old black church.

[Raven]

Would you find the music is better there?

[Top Lobster]

So much better.

[Matt]

Not even close, bro.

[Top Lobster]

Not even close.

[Matt]

Now, this one, I'm not saying all of them, but this one might have had some of the technical difficulties that we were having in the beginning.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

So maybe some of that. But like. Like, the music and the vibe was just like. When I first went in, I was the only white guys immaculate. And I was like, well, I'll just chill over here to the right. But in five minutes, I was like, clapping and dancing too.

[Raven]

Let me tell you something. A quick observation. They play music at the church all the time. It's good music, right? But when the Spanish congregation got up and they played their music, I was.

[Top Lobster]

Like, there's an innate technical. Like, they don't understand technically. Like, I don't even know if they know how to read music. I was playing with the kid that was 12 years old. There's a YouTube old one of me, YouTube video, and he just knows I'm playing something in D minor. And the dude's just on the drums, My boys on the drums. And we jamming in the church and his little brother comes on the keyboard and just like, doesn't ask usually be like, yo, what are you playing?

[Matt]

Oh, he just came right in and just freestyling.

[Top Lobster]

They innately understand what you could do, what you can't do, where you can go, where you can't go. And I'm just like, beautiful man in Spanish people's same thing, but just a lesser degree. We have other problems.

[Raven]

We're good at music thing. All right? So please. Yeah, let's continue.

[Matt]

Okay, so then that's. So that's how.

[Raven]

He's 10 times better. Him and his homies are 10 times better.

[Matt]

I just threw that in there. That's how I got stuck on King James, because everything they were quoting was King James. I was like, oh, how come my Bible doesn't say the same thing? And then my buddy was like. And then I did. And that's just the Bible. I walked. How much did it.

[Raven]

Did it deviate?

[Top Lobster]

It's just the words.

[Matt]

It's just the words. Yeah. It's just they were quoting things in the quote. Like when you go to quote a passage. Wasn't the same thing. You know, it was close. And my guy, who was like an advisor to me at the time, or not an advisor. He was like. Because we're reading Daniel. He was like an advisor to the. To the king. No, he was just like my guy. He was like a mentor. Mentor. Yeah. He's like a mentor. He's like, bro, you need to be in a King James. So when we talk, it's like, making the same sense. Gotcha. And then that just went on for so long. That's just what I locked in with. But now I noticed with Bible studies, it's just kind of tough for people.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

We've done it with Ed sometimes, and it's harder because he's in California, so. So he'll be reading.

[Matt]

Where does he live in California? I don't know.

[Raven]

I think Ed's got money. I think he's. I think he's.

[Top Lobster]

I think he's got money, but we don't know.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

Northern California.

[Matt]

That's where I'm from. That's where I'm from.

[Raven]

Yeah. No, he lives on, like, a vineyard.

[Top Lobster]

Vineyard country, dude. I don't know where Lynn is from these lines here. He'll be reading from the book of Revelation, and I'm bringing up the King James, and he's bringing. And he's reading it word for word, but it's, like, slightly different. I'm like, he looks like a liar right now.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

To the people. Because the words are. But, like, you gotta understand. It's still. Whatever. Continue.

[Matt]

Yeah, you got it. Okay. So then. And then in 21, it just makes a reference like, Daniel continued even under the first year of King Cyrus. So they're just saying, like, yo, he's in. He's in this a long time. This story takes over a long time. Okay. In the second year of the reign of Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadnezzar dream dreams wherewith his spirit was troubled in his sleep. Broke from him, right? So he. So he's like a very troublesome dream, right? Maybe he's in love with a man on a ship that has like.

[Raven]

I wasn't in love with that man.

[Matt]

I just was admiring, like that.

[Raven]

He'. Admirable.

[Top Lobster]

Let him talk. Don't cut off the guest.

[Matt]

I had that coming. So. So he wakes up and he's just. He's just aggravated. He's just like. And then. And then. So he calls all of the spiritual people together who he's paying for, right? He. He says, all right, what was my dream? And the interpretation, all these guys said, yeah, yeah, just tell us the dream, we'll give you the interpretation. Because who can't? You know, like, you tell us the dream. Let's. We'll make some cute story out of it. He says, no, no, you're just trying to buy time right now. If you don't tell me my dream and the interpretation, I'm killing all of you.

[Raven]

Wow. Gangster wild.

[Matt]

Yeah. This is chapter two. This is what's going on. It's like verse one.

[Top Lobster]

This is why. This is why they are the. The head of gold. Because in politics. Honestly, dude. Yo, listen, if I elect you to politics, this is. You're gonna make it argument about politics.

[Raven]

Oh, my God.

[Top Lobster]

You said you were gonna fix something and then you don't cut their head off like crazy.

[Raven]

No, that's who he is.

[Top Lobster]

No, he.

[Matt]

Not just that. Verse 5. The thing is gone from me. That's what he tells all these guys. It's gone from me. You know, if you don't make known unto me the dream with the interpretation, you'll be cut in pieces and your houses shall be made a dunghead. Wow.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, dog.

[Matt]

People aren't ready for the Bible, bro. They just.

[Raven]

That's crazy.

[Matt]

They think it's like, cute and lovely and sweet, and it's not. It's just. It's just raw, hardcore story of the reality of life. Like, the Bible never claims to be a religion, right? Ever. There's. There's never.

[Raven]

It's just a story.

[Matt]

It claims to be reality.

[Raven]

Telling you the history book.

[Matt]

Here's the story of reality. You do what you want with it, but this is the story of reality.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, why would all this stuff be in here if you were just trying to start a religion?

[Raven]

That's crazy. That's crazy how your house should be made a dung pile.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Damn, dude.

[Top Lobster]

And the thing is, like, I, like, I Read in, it's like, that's. That's fun to say, but they probably did it.

[Raven]

Like, he showed up, and it's probably.

[Top Lobster]

Taking some time to do, too. Imagine making this, my house, into a dung pile.

[Raven]

How many dudes. What are you feeding them?

[Matt]

They don't have bulldozers. Who knows how they did it?

[Top Lobster]

Bulldozers, right?

[Raven]

Yeah, they just, like, feeding them pork chops and hot dogs and, like, go.

[Top Lobster]

But they're about it, though. I like. I like it. I respect it.

[Matt]

So, okay, so he. So all the way through nine, he's saying, like, you guys aren't figuring it out. Verse 10, he's getting more and more pissed. 11, they're saying, nobody's ever asked anybody to do this. Like, nobody's ever said, you had to tell me my dream, and I don't even know what it is. So Nebuchadnezzar becomes furious in verse 12 and commands to destroy all the wise men of Babylon, which Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, they're part of that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So the decree went forth that the wise men should be slain, and they sought Daniel and his fellows to be slain. Then Daniel answered with counsel and wisdom. This dude's just calm, cool, and collective, bro. Just like. Like all the time. He's chill.

[Top Lobster]

What if I did something different than that?

[Matt]

He never would. He never would. He's always just chill. So he says, hey, what's. Why is the. Verse 15 says, why is the decree so hasty? And then Ariak, who's the. Who's the. The guy in charge. He says, yeah, man, he's gonna kill everybody. Daniel says, can I get a little bit of time? Can I just get a little bit of time? Like, I. Look, I get it. He wants an answer. No problem. But can you give me a minute? A minute? So he says, verse 16, he says, Daniel goes in and desired of the king. So it looks like he went straight in and talked to the king and said, hey, man, give me a minute and I'll show you the interpretation. Now, this is before he knows the interpretation. Verse 17. Then Daniel went to his house and made the thing known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions, that they would desire mercies of the God of heaven concerning the secret. Secret that Daniel and his fellows should not die with the rest of the wise men of Babylon. So this is like you see in the movies where the guy goes, cover me. I'm going in.

[Raven]

Nice.

[Matt]

That's what he's doing. He tells the boys, fellas you gotta pray. Yeah, you gotta pray like. Like we don't get an answer, we're gonna die. People don't pray like that anymore. Right? They just pray sweet things for, like, nice things. They want more stuff. Don't pray anymore. Like they're gonna die.

[Raven]

Well, yeah, I was gonna say, man, if you have an extreme motivator. And that's an extreme motivator.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Matt]

Okay. Verse 19, then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. So it's a night vision. Maybe you call it a dream, maybe not. Maybe it's a vision, but it's just in the night. And then Daniel blesses the God of Heaven, and then he just makes this incredible prayer.

[Top Lobster]

What does that mean?

[Matt]

What do you mean?

[Top Lobster]

If you bless God, that's like, God, you are.

[Raven]

You crush, man.

[Matt]

You praise him and worship him. Yeah, yeah.

[Raven]

Okay.

[Matt]

You praise him and worship him and give him the honor that he's owed.

[Raven]

Can I.

[Top Lobster]

That's something. When you.

[Raven]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

So that we were talking with Ed Mabry about this. I think this is the episode where you're like, should I talk with these guys about the idea of blessing Israel? That scripture in Genesis is supposed to be like. You know, politicians use it and they say we should give them money and support everything they do. But Ed was saying that blessing just means kind of like, you know, hope you do. You hope you do good, man.

[Raven]

Hope you crush.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I hope you don't die tomorrow. Like, I hope you do good. Cursing would be the opposite of that. So, like, to bless God is just an odd statement for me. It's kind of like.

[Matt]

Right, right. But, like, what can we give him other than, like, our praise and worship? Like, we can't.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, what can you offer?

[Matt]

Yeah. And even that, we know he doesn't need any of that in the chat. Like, oh, God doesn't need it. I get it. I get it. But, like, that's all we got. Like, that's all we can give is our praise. That's all we got.

[Raven]

Yeah. When. When you pray, do you pray out loud? Well, do you do it out loud? And do you speak? Like, do you get hung up on the words that you're using where, like, you know, you're. You're. You're coming to God in a much more formal way?

[Matt]

No.

[Raven]

Right. Okay. That's cool. I like that.

[Matt]

No, you, bro. So he.

[Top Lobster]

He knows. No, no, no.

[Matt]

I didn't mean to look like that.

[Top Lobster]

Why do you ask?

[Raven]

Stupid.

[Matt]

No, no, I'm just saying you have to talk. No, I'm so glad you said it. It has to be exactly who you are. He knows exactly who you are.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So, like, if you try to, like, sugarcoat it, like, I was just in a funeral, and the guys, like, talk. Like, the guy gets the mic and he starts talking like an actor.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And I'm here. I'm already irritable. I'm already, like. I just want to go. I don't. Like, I love this man that we're here to honor. Like, I hate this whole, like, voice thing where you start pretending you're somebody else. Never, ever do that to God. He says, I know my sheep. My sheep know my voice. Like, he talks to us in a way we understand. He talks to people in China. He talks to people who speak Chinese. Chinese. He talks to people who speak Spanish. He talks to people who speak, like, all the languages. Like, he talks to you how you talk. Like. Like, that's what he does. Okay, so you just talk to him in the most plainest way, but the most raw. Like, the most raw and most plain and all the things you would never say to anybody, you say that stuff to God.

[Raven]

All right, so second question. I. I talk to God in two ways. One of them is, like, if I'm driving, I just talk to God. Like, I talk, like, just chopping it up. But then if I'm. If I'm praying, which usually is a pretty simple prayer, it's like, whatever you want me to do. I want to do that thing. But Top thinks this is weird, and I want to know if you think it's weird. It's okay. What do I think is weird when I do that? Obviously, when I drive the car, I'm wearing. I'm wearing. I'm wearing clothes.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah. No, I don't think it's weird. Oh, you don't think it's weird? I think you're weird.

[Raven]

Oh, well, when I pray, I typically do that. I do that in the shower because I think there's something with water, with that. And also, you know, because I'm in the shower.

[Matt]

Pray at all times is what the scripture says. Yeah. There's, like, no. There's no wrong time. But I like what you're saying. Understand you're just communicating with God even about your day.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Something crazy happens, you know, you just, like, talk to God about it like you would with anybody, you know, But. But it's different. It's different. He's the creator of the universe, and he's owed respect and Honor. But, like, to respect and honor him is to be close to him because he loves you. He's a jealous God. Think how crazy of a statement that is, bro. It's not even that. Like, he cares what you're doing. He's jealous, you know, Crazy of a statement that is.

[Raven]

He's like, I like that.

[Matt]

What were you doing with the world today? Like. Like, bro, what about me? Like, you didn't have any time with me, and you were, like, doing this, this, that, and that in the world. You had all that time to do that. That. Like, that's. We. That's what I'm saying. Like, you have to read the scripture to know his character, to know who he is, to know how to communicate with him. All right? Like, if you. Like, if you don't. And the communication has to be, like, as real and raw as anything in your life. Like, I've talked to people before. They're like, yeah, I'm embarrassed to bring this up before God. And I'm always like, why? He.

[Raven]

He already knows.

[Matt]

He already knows.

[Raven]

He already knows, dude, what are you talking about?

[Matt]

Like, yeah, he already knows. You have to talk to him about. About it while I'm embarrassed. It's the sin I'm dealing with. He already knows. Like, you have to talk.

[Raven]

More embarrassing that you aren't saying it. Like, you think he doesn't know, but.

[Matt]

I don't know if I can quit. Tell him that. Yeah, I don't know if I want to quit telling that. Say the whole thing. Say everything you're thinking. Just bring it to God. Tell him the whole thing, and then say, like you're saying, what do you want me to do?

[Raven]

It's interesting. Like.

[Matt]

Like, I want to quit this, but I can't. But I know you can help me quit it. So what do we. What do you want to do here? How much of this is, like, my willpower, and how much of this is, like, you're going to help me overcome it? Like, how do you want to work this out? But I have to stop doing this.

[Raven]

Yeah, Yeah, I think it's obvious. Like, you know, to achieve certain things, you need to do it through God, But God also likes when you participate. You know what I mean? So, like, a lot of people be like, pray for a thing and just wait around for a thing to happen. It's like, no, you know, you're doing this through. Through. Through God, but you need to be active. Like, you got to start moving around.

[Matt]

The references to birds, right? He says that, like, look at the birds. Like they don't store up in storehouses. They don't store up in. Up in barns, man. They don't worry. They don't get anxiety about food. And look how God takes care of them. And surely he cares more about you than the birds. But watch the birds, bro, because birds are crushing. Because you'll never see a bird. Just birds be out there.

[Top Lobster]

Just most of them are fake, dog. I don't know if you know that's true. They're government drones.

[Raven]

Well, they recharge on the.

[Top Lobster]

Not to. Not to deviate. But the chat seems to love the guest. His name is Matt.

[Raven]

Wow.

[Top Lobster]

They like Matt. So they. Yeah. Amen, Matt.

[Matt]

Yeah, Matt's crushing is gassing me up.

[Raven]

No, they like it.

[Top Lobster]

I didn't type that.

[Matt]

They like the Bible, bro. That's if you talk Bible. People love the Bible, bro.

[Raven]

They don't like us.

[Top Lobster]

They just don't like us.

[Matt]

They don't like us.

[Raven]

They should, they say. Horrifying.

[Matt]

There was that moment where it looked like when, you know when your dad used to backhand your mom at the dinner table. You guys did have.

[Raven]

Yeah, he's very grouchy. He gets very grouchy. I sometimes I think about. I'm like, I gotta correct him for stuff. And I don't even have anything to correct him about. So I'm like, I'm. I'm trying.

[Matt]

Can I just finish this thing about the birds? Cuz you went into the bird.

[Top Lobster]

He's talk about the birds.

[Matt]

Birds, bro. Like, you never see a bird just wait for a worm to fall out of the sky.

[Raven]

Never.

[Matt]

If you watch a worm. They're grimy, brother. They're in the dirt.

[Raven]

They're in the.

[Matt]

They're down, they're up, they're over. Over here. But they know if they're out there doing it, they're gonna get the food.

[Raven]

That's what people say. Like, you know, I hope that God will open up certain doors for me and things like this, like, keep grinding. You gotta move through the door. If the door opens, you got to be moving through the door.

[Matt]

What a Raven Hill used to say the who, bro, do you not know Leonard Ravenhill?

[Raven]

No, dude, Ravenhill, bro.

[Matt]

The best, dude. The best. Like the most gangster preacher ever.

[Raven]

Oh, okay. Yeah. I don't know. I was, I was. You know, we spoke about him last.

[Top Lobster]

Week at the coffee shop.

[Matt]

That's not Ravenhill. I did Raven A month.

[Raven]

I have no memory.

[Matt]

I used to say the opportunity of a lifetime must be seized during the lifetime of the opportunity.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah, that's right. You said that. I remember that. Crushed. I see. If you never told me that, I.

[Matt]

Don'T think I said that quote.

[Raven]

You said that quote. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

No, but it's true. It's true. If there's a thing I, I.

[Raven]

Well, I've been telling people. Matt said that.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I've spoken to you about this about, like, specifically what we're doing now. Like, like, we met you at the time, we were like, you know what, we're going to invest in the cameras, we're going to invest in more mics, we're going to do a studio video. And it's kind of like why I was like, the opportunities right now, that's when you do it. And it's like a crazy side. You. So you saw what we did, set this up. It's insane. But we're like, the opportunity is now. And it's like, if you don't move, then don't even bother.

[Matt]

Wait. And you guys have shifted to more, like Bible based stuff?

[Raven]

Well, we, we. Well, the foundation was always.

[Matt]

Because you were asking me, like, what's up with these guys, dude? They're like crazy and terrible people. Nephilim Death Squad, Skull and Bones, like, what's their story?

[Raven]

This is what I'm. This is. Yeah. And then it's a, it's a little.

[Top Lobster]

Bit of a miss. I mean, I like the Skull and Bones.

[Raven]

I think it's great.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah. If it's, if it's Goliath's skull, which I think that's what we kind of referred to it now.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I like that he asked us. He's like, what is Nephilim Desk? It's like, it doesn't mean, it means like, like, we are the death squad.

[Raven]

Yeah. We. We kill them.

[Top Lobster]

We kill them.

[Raven]

Yeah. Look, this is, this is where a lot of not right with us is, is the foundation of the show is Jesus Christ. Because we came at this entire thing being like, conspiracy through the biblical lens, because he and I were both.

[Matt]

How long ago did you guys connect to start doing the podcast?

[Raven]

We connected. Pretty much.

[Matt]

Everybody asked me like, tons of questions.

[Top Lobster]

I had started.

[Raven]

Why are they asking so many questions?

[Top Lobster]

I'm. I do like the top lobster thing. That's all like the, the artwork, all the stuff like this. So I had like a online presence with. Yeah, the Mandela effect. Yeah, bro, that's cool. I had started, like, doing digital media and building an online presence for a long time, like, based in comedy and things like that. But I had like a, A following and then I said, you know what, I'm gonna, I want to do a show because I see a lot of other guys doing it. And then I decided to do conspiracy type show. He was doing one. Yeah. Cuz it's like, you know, like I'm gonna do something I'm interested in. He was doing one at the same time. He's like, hey, will you watch my show? I said, absolutely. I don't know why I listened to his show.

[Raven]

It's crazy.

[Top Lobster]

And I thought, I was like, hey, you know, this guy's pretty good. I think he's on to something. And then we just started like random stranger. I was like, let's do it together. Like we'll, we'll do it at the same time. And that's how it started. So I don't know.

[Matt]

How long ago was that? That's what I'm saying.

[Raven]

Not even two and a half.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Yeah. Well, yeah.

[Matt]

But you guys were both in like Florida.

[Raven]

Yeah, we both escaped the, the east coast.

[Top Lobster]

I had, I had moved here fairly recently.

[Matt]

How did you guys end up in this area though?

[Top Lobster]

I, I bought this, this place in.

[Matt]

But you're like a city slicker and you're just like, yeah, I'm just going to move to like the easy.

[Raven]

The lockdown. Florida was pretty based on the lockdown.

[Matt]

So you were just like, yo, I'm ready to just be a country boy now.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I mean I, I like doing, I like doing the work and I know about this stuff, but I, I never had the space to do it. And I was like, I gotta get out of the grind. I gotta get out of this like concrete jungle. And we moved here. We have some family around the villages. So I was like, this is a good spot. And also geographically I'm like, if things go sideways, these old people always niche need a truck. I drive, I used to drive a tractor trailer. I was like, I could do that. I could do construction.

[Matt]

Oh, no way.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I never thought that heavy, heavy construction is what I, I do what I, I'm good at in like operation of machinery. So like I would. That's like what I did before in New York, bro.

[Matt]

I never would have guessed that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I know, it's weird. Now I'm doing like, it's weird. The artistic side of me is almost opposite of that. Like swing a hammer and building the tracks in the subway in New York City. York City. But that's like what I did. I saw this place and I was like rural enough, far away enough, but also I could like, like it Just seemed like a good opportunity. So we just came out here. My parents came.

[Matt]

No, it's always wild how people get here because nobody's from here.

[Top Lobster]

No one's from here. Yeah, it's wild. That's what I'm saying. Like to move here and then meet you.

[Matt]

So who moves first? The Raven guy here first?

[Top Lobster]

That's a good question. Well, I've been here for a while. He was in Tampa, then he, then he moved down here.

[Matt]

How long were you in t. Tampa?

[Raven]

I guess it's only been three years. I've been in Florida maybe. No, no, no, no, no. I, I, I moved from New Jersey to Tampa. Well, it's a Tampa area. Yeah. And I was, I was a, a fabricator for a while. While.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

No way. You guys are like construction guys too. I would never guess.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we're so awful.

[Raven]

That's why we're terrible speakers and, and.

[Matt]

And bad construction people are usually raw. Like they just want to get to the point. Point, dude, again. So that's how you guys are getting revival. You're like, yeah, let's just get to the point. Like, what's going on here?

[Raven]

It was, I, I would call it serendipitous, the way that things unfolded with, with this show. And then also, not to toot our own horn, but the popularity of the show was it kind of had its own thing going on. It wasn't us. I would always attribute that to God. It was like, as soon as, because I've been a podcaster as well as a, a welder and a fabricator for like, like I guess about a decade. Almost eight. Eight years. Seven or eight years. So. And to just zero success. And I've always been this like unhinged conspiracy kind of guy. Long story short, I think it was like, you start pursuing the truth, the truth leads you to Jesus Christ. If you build your foundation, which is what this show is built on, is Jesus, then good things happen. And, and so I attribute this to sex. This, this, the sex, the success of the show to. Don't laugh at that, dude.

[Top Lobster]

No.

[Raven]

God, that was a mishap.

[Top Lobster]

Freudian.

[Raven]

No, it's not a Freudian sleep.

[Top Lobster]

So I just think that's why it's almost self serving. Right? Like, it's like you realize is like, well, this thing continues to feed you or this thing continues to bring you good and you're like, well, I'll just keep doing that.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then you keep doing. And you're like, this is getting more of that. Yeah, right. It's like, you'd be stupid not to.

[Raven]

I mean, you understand how I. I recognize it constantly. Like, you want to talk about blessed? This is what I get to. I would pursue this anyway, but now I get to build my life off of it. Like, that's unbelievable.

[Top Lobster]

They want us. They want us to dox ourselves. No.

[Raven]

Where does app live?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

All right, let's. Let's continue. Let's continue in the. The actual Bible. Interesting.

[Raven]

You see, they don't always like me. Look at that one.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's not nice.

[Raven]

Shout out Sunday.

[Top Lobster]

Funny thing is that that person pays to be there.

[Raven]

Yeah, they actually pay to be here.

[Matt]

So how many people are saying comments? Like, how many comments are happening?

[Top Lobster]

So there's 500 watching live, and that's not on. If we check out Rumble, there's a lot more.

[Raven]

Probably a few hundred on there, too.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And then how many things are people saying? There's like.

[Raven]

Oh, they're saying a lot of things. A lot of it is probably real bad if you.

[Top Lobster]

The truth of the matter is it doesn't matter. No, they. They have their own side conversations on here.

[Matt]

Oh, okay. So some of that doesn't have to do.

[Raven]

No, a lot of it isn't even to us at all. They're just. They're hanging with the homies in the chat. That's.

[Matt]

Whatever.

[Top Lobster]

That's actually really cool, actually.

[Matt]

Okay, so this is one of the most powerful prayers, like, in the Bible. Like, Daniel just blesses God. So if you ever have a question. Actually, this is exactly what you should do, bro. At any time where you say, what does it mean to bless God? Where Daniel blessed God. Go ahead and read what he did.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matt]

I'm saying it's this praise and worship prayer that he's offering to God. I don't really want to read it. It's. It's like, so, gang.

[Raven]

Wow. You really, like, set it up like it was super dope, and then you're like, I don't know.

[Matt]

I'll read it. You may read it.

[Raven]

Yeah, please read it.

[Matt]

Can we read it in the normal.

[Raven]

You want to read it in the. No. You want me to read it? I have it here, James. I just feel like people lose it. There you go. I got it there.

[Top Lobster]

I got it pulled up here. So, I mean, it'll sound weird for them. What do you think?

[Matt]

You want me to read it in King James?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

[Matt]

So from 20, then Daniel blessed the God of heaven. Daniel answered and said, blessed be the name of God forever and ever. For Wisdom and might are his. And he changes the times and seasons. He removes kings and sets up kings. Kings. Just remember that. Remember that. Like what I keep saying, like Trump, good or bad? I don't care. Trump's good or bad, just completely irrelevant. God sets up kings. He removes kings. He does it with Nebuchadnezzar, too, which. This is the long game. This is a long story for Nebuchadnezzar. He's gonna f around and find out because, like, in the beginning, he thinks he's somebody important. He gives wisdom unto the wise and knowledge to them that no understanding. He. So that's how they get it. He reveals the deep and secret things. He knows what is in the darkness, and the light dwells with him. Them. I thank thee and praise thee, O thou, God of my fathers, who has given me wisdom and might and has made known unto me now what we desired of thee, for thou has now made known unto us the king's matter. Therefore, Daniel went in unto Ariak, whom the king had ordained to destroy the wise men of Babylon. He went and said thus unto him, destroy not the wise men of Babylon. Bring me in before the king, and I'll show unto the king the interpretation. So Daniel saves all the wise men. He doesn't just save him. It's like when Paul's on the ship in the book of Acts. Acts. I think we talked about that before. And he saved everybody on the ship because he was tight with God.

[Raven]

I want to hear. I don't want this episode to end without hearing the. The dream interpretation. I mean, I know what the dream. But it's like. It's a good story.

[Matt]

No, we'll do it. Yeah. Oh, we gotta go.

[Raven]

No, no, we don't have to go now.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think it.

[Matt]

Satellite. We had to go.

[Raven]

No, I didn't mean to.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think we can get to. Because there was some stuff about Nebuchadnezzar you were saying to me. I don't know, some, like, weird Bigfoot stuff. Will we get to that?

[Matt]

Oh, when he turns into a Sasquatch. I think that's.

[Raven]

I mean, yeah.

[Matt]

I don't know if we're going to get that far.

[Raven]

Seven years.

[Matt]

I don't care. I could talk all night. I just. I don't know how long the podcast is supposed to go.

[Raven]

I don't know how long it's supposed to go.

[Matt]

I'm good for whatever.

[Raven]

How long do you think it's supposed to go?

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. All right, let's. Let's do let's do what we can. Just.

[Matt]

But I'm not going to jump over stuff. We got seven years of Sasquatch.

[Top Lobster]

No, listen, if people got to come back next week, then they got to come back next week.

[Matt]

No, I'll go. Like, I can go. Whatever. So. Okay, but we're right in the middle of this. Then Ariak brought in Daniel before the king in haste and said unto him, I found a man of the captives of Judah that will make known unto the king the interpretation. Remember? And he already Knew they were 10 times better than the rest.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Remember, we already knew that. It's like he forgot again.

[Raven]

Yeah. Why didn't he just come to them in the first place? Dealing with these brothers?

[Matt]

There's Epstein, there's Trump.

[Raven]

That's right.

[Matt]

There's Alaska.

[Raven]

This could have been like 20 years.

[Top Lobster]

Well, how come?

[Matt]

Well, even if it was a year.

[Raven]

You forget a lot in a year.

[Matt]

Yeah, just the news cycle, you know, it's just like all this stuff happened. That's why you got a purpose in your heart, bro. Bro. Yeah, yeah. That's like the whole core of, like, the purping in your heart. If you don't, then just the whole busyness of things. You're just going to be gone. Like, I think. How many people are in debt, bro? They didn't set out to be in debt. They just all of a sudden bought a $30 thing and then a $17 thing and then a $500 thing, and then they had to get a new car. They're, like, way in debt. They didn't purpose in their heart ahead of time. It's just that if you don't purpose in your heart, you're going to go the way of the world.

[Raven]

All right, fair enough.

[Matt]

The king answered instead of Daniel. Daniel, whose name was Belshazzar. Are you able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen in the interpretation? This is always the character of a man of God. This is like Joseph. This is very similar to Joseph's story in Egypt.

[Raven]

But this.

[Matt]

This is always the character of a man of God. Daniel answered in the presence of the king and said, the secret which the king has demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers show unto the king. But there's a God in heaven that reveals secrets and makes known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days.

[Raven]

He doesn't.

[Matt]

Daniel doesn't take credit for it.

[Raven]

Yeah, that's it.

[Top Lobster]

You better not.

[Matt]

Yeah. Thy dream and Thy visions, thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed are these. As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came in thy mind upon thy bed. What should come to pass hereafter? And he that reveals secrets. That's. He's talking about God. That's just. This is a name he just gave him. He that reveals secrets makes known to thee what shall come to pass. But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have, more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation of the King and that you might know the thoughts of your heart. Heart. Thou, O king, saw and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee in the form thereof was terrible. This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, and his belly and his thighs of brass. His legs are iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. You saw till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay and broke him to pieces. Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver and the gold broken in pieces together and became like the chaff of the summer threshing. Floor, doors. And the wind carried them away. You know, when the. There's the Avengers movie where the guy goes like that. Oh. And everybody turns.

[Raven]

It does.

[Matt]

Yeah, he says that.

[Raven]

He says, by the way, he didn't tell anybody, like, because he wants people to interpret his dream. But he's like, I'm not telling you anything. Like, you gotta tell me. I don't know if you're lying.

[Matt]

I know. You know the interpretation.

[Raven]

That's wild.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt]

The wind carried them away that no place was found for them. And the stone that smoked the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth. This is the dream name. And we will tell the interpretation thereof before you, king. Just keep grinding.

[Raven]

Should we just keep grinding away?

[Matt]

Yeah. Thou, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom. Power and strength and glory. And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven has he given into your hand and has made the ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold. And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee. And another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

[Top Lobster]

Earth.

[Matt]

And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron. For as much as iron breaks in pieces and subdues all things, and as iron that breaks all these shall it break in pieces and bruise. And whereas you saw the feet and toes part of potter's clay and part of iron, the kingdom is. The kingdom shall be divided, but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron. For as much as you saw the iron mixed with miry clay, and as the toes of the feet were part of iron, part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly broken. Token. And whereas you saw iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men. You guys ever read this verse before? I wondered if you're gonna keep.

[Raven]

Not straight. Not straight through like this.

[Top Lobster]

I've read it, but this part. They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men.

[Matt]

Who is.

[Raven]

Who is they?

[Matt]

Oh, they're gonna get rowdy. And whereas you saw iron mixed with my reclay. They. They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

[Top Lobster]

Actually, do you know who La Marzulli is?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Oh yeah.

[Matt]

Above the dude. La Marzulli too.

[Raven]

And you know what? Because Top has an attitude, right?

[Top Lobster]

No.

[Matt]

You guys had him. You guys had them all.

[Raven]

LA didn't like it. Correcting you.

[Matt]

He said cuss words.

[Raven]

He said cuss words. He gave him an attitude and LA said no. And then like weird stuff happened.

[Matt]

You guys should have him on again.

[Raven]

I would love to have Ellie Morrison.

[Top Lobster]

We'll reach out, but this is. Yes. So I've read this obviously a long time ago, but like this is one of the. The scriptures that he does.

[Raven]

Cool.

[Top Lobster]

Like he's. He's big on three. Fifteen.

[Matt]

What is it? What is he.

[Top Lobster]

What's his point he's making there this one here about.

[Raven]

I think I know what the point is.

[Matt]

That they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men, but they shall not cleave one to another.

[Raven]

You ever hear the Black Eyed Children? No.

[Top Lobster]

No. Yeah. This is interesting.

[Raven]

Honestly, I think that's what he. What is what? It's in reference. That's what I feel.

[Matt]

And he's not talking about Black Eyed children, is he?

[Raven]

La Marzulli? Oh yeah, dude. He's talking about the entire UFO deception. Being of the Nephilim, being of the fallen and trying to create.

[Top Lobster]

He thinks he blending of us a breeding program. I think he's not completely wrong there. But yeah, that this scripture here specifically about mingling themselves with the seed of men. He thinks that the. The Nephilim or the current iteration of the Nephilim are having a reproduction issue. So this is why you get ufo. You get abductions. You get a lot of, like, weird butt stuff. And like, they're doing things with the woman's organs. They're stealing sperm. They're taking parts from cows.

[Matt]

Well, that is the weird thing about the alien thing. And I get it. Like, only crazy people believe in aliens, but like. Or only crazy people have been abducted. But it's like even Chuck Missler used to talk about bro. Like, they all have the same story for decades.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

Like, people all over the planet, H. They've never talked together. How do they all have the same story when they get abducted? They get taken and they get tampered with. The reproductive parts.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they're doing the same thing. It's. But it. From. From here, they shall not cleave to one another, even as iron does not mix with clay. So he uses that scripture as they will not cleave. Like it. It's hard for them to impregnate the woman as readily as they were doing. And just Genesis.

[Raven]

Well, it's not even just that.

[Matt]

That's an interesting perspective.

[Raven]

This is from Karen. Karen Wilkinson and other female abductee victims who have been impregnated, lost the pregnancy. They're often abducted in the future again and through regressive hypnosis. They're like, yeah, these things are trying to introduce me to these black eyed children that are my offspring. And they're saying, like, something's wrong. And. And I think we need you. We need the mother. And. And she can't connect with them. So these kids, these black eyed children that are like hybridized guys are not working. They're messed up.

[Matt]

So our black eyed children, the one that, like, if you live on the 20th floor and like, there's some, like, there's something knocks on your door, like on your stoop, like on your.

[Raven]

So, all right, this is what the black eyed children are. They're abducting human women. They're doing this impregnation program or whatever. They. They are sometimes coming back and actually pregnant. They'll go to doctors, the doctors will say, yeah, you're definitively pregnant, pregnant. And then suddenly one day the pregnancy will mysteriously vanish.

[Top Lobster]

Also, it's not just. The crazy part is it's not just like alien stuff, like, where it's like a, you know, you think of an abduction on a operating table and they're. They're like in a white style room. You've heard this kind of alien abduction story, but like, it can go to your sleep paralysis dreams with the Idea of incubus and succubus that come to people at the night and they tempt them with sexual things like that. It gets real. We've spoken to. It can get really weird. But they think that it has to do a lot with this where they're kind of reflecting on, like not mingling it. The seed will not mingle. So they have to figure out another way to mix this. I don't know.

[Raven]

They're trying.

[Top Lobster]

I think if you think that's. If you of the mind that. No, I just think I remember the dude.

[Matt]

Timothy Alvarino. Did you guys have Timothy Alvareno?

[Raven]

We had Timothy.

[Matt]

So I remember him. I think I remember Indiana moment about.

[Raven]

Like, he never have.

[Matt]

Like, they'll come to your door and ask, can we just get something to eat? He's like, never let him in. Like, never.

[Raven]

Well, yeah, no, but I'm talking specifically about the black eyed children are just the children of abductee victims. And long story short, when they're talking about the. That they shall not mingle themselves, the iron and the clay won't mix. These kids, they're. They're not working. So there's a phenomenon where several abductee victims are like, yeah, I have children. They're up there somewhere. I see them every once in a while in an abduction experience. And when I do see them, them, they're off. There's something wrong. And even the aliens, whether the tall grays or the insectoids, are speaking to them telepathically.

[Top Lobster]

He's like, what the hell?

[Matt]

I don't know anything about this. Like, watch some shows on it or whatever.

[Raven]

No, they'll talk to them.

[Matt]

Don't know nothing about.

[Raven]

And they'll say, like, something is wrong. Basically, they'll go to the human women and be like, make it work. Like, this kid is all messed up. Make him work. So they want a suitable, I guess, bridge between the species.

[Top Lobster]

Spencer P. Is saying, like in. In Matthew, where they're talking about the wheat and the tares. Let them grow up together and then be divided. That's like. So some. A lot of people think that that is like behavioral of human beings. But some people think that that could also be like, hey, they're going to be growing. Like, I don't know. I think this. I think there's lizard people walking among us. So this is kind of like. This is a strange idea.

[Raven]

What if Matt was a lizard person? You invited him in your home?

[Matt]

I'm definitely not.

[Top Lobster]

All right, let's continue. Let's continue with the Actual, like biblical.

[Matt]

We need to unpack this now then. So it's like. It's this image. He says, okay, there's this image, you know, how people are like, oh, man, history, you know, gets better and better. We're the most advanced. We're like the. What is the one. The political part. Progressive. We're like, we're like progressing. It's not how God sees it. God says, no, no. Like Babylon was like a kingdom of gold.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Then it just gets worse from there, dude. Then the. Who comes next? The Medes and the Persians. They're like a kingdom of silver. Then Greece is like a kingdom of bronze. And then Rome is basically a kingdom of. Kingdom of iron.

[Raven]

Right.

[Matt]

And there's this weird thing where Rome is kind of two things. Never mind.

[Raven]

I think they would crush.

[Matt]

Well, no, there's a lot of old timers that always looked at the Vatican as like the Antichrist system. Like, as like, like all the old timers saw it like that, bro. So you have like Rome. You've got like the government of Rome and then you have like papal. Rome. Rome. It's like these two things, dude.

[Raven]

So Rome never goes away.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's like you. You have Rome as like a. As like a world power. Then you have the Vatican, which is Rome. Kinda. Yeah, it's like. It's two legs. Yeah, two legs.

[Raven]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Matt]

Like Rome. But then you have like the Vatican and like, tentacles are in everything, bro. The Vatican's in everything. It's in every country. They're. They're. They're in everything.

[Raven]

I heard this thing once and. And I. I think it's like laws that are on the books that they don't actually enforce, like the Noahide laws or something like that.

[Matt]

But.

[Raven]

But that if the Pope makes a law that this is. The entire world has to abide by.

[Matt]

You guys need to read Dave Hunt, the Woman Rides the Beast. Have you ever heard of it? Oh, Dave Hunt's a gangster.

[Raven]

He's.

[Matt]

I don't know if he's still alive or not, but his books are in the library either way. I can't remember if Dave Hunt's still around.

[Raven]

I don't know.

[Matt]

But his book A Woman Rides the Beast, bro, is. It only is from Catholic literature. There's. There's no hearsay. There's. There's no like, sketch. There's no. There's no like, sketchy anything. It's all. Only from political.

[Raven]

You got to be careful because Catholic sources, our audience gets really upset when.

[Top Lobster]

You besmirch the Catholics, 2013. He died.

[Matt]

RIP homie. And I'm like, out.

[Raven]

Yeah, that was late.

[Matt]

I knew it was like, because he had videos and stuff, so I knew it was, like, kind of current.

[Raven]

Right.

[Matt]

But anyway, that book, only Catholic Literature. That's all it is. That's all it is. And he just breaks it down and explains, like, how it is the beast system, how it is. Like, it's. It's a very intriguing read. It's a very intriguing read. But to that point, like, yeah. Could, like, make, like, declare things. Yeah. That. That were for everybody on the planet. There was a time when there was two popes and they both excommunicated each other. Like, bro, like, what are we talking about? Like, like, what's going on here?

[Top Lobster]

The current Pope is getting into, like, I know you, like, kind of a. What is that called? Identity politics and, like, climate stuff. I'm like, what are you doing?

[Raven]

The last Pope was like, will. Will baptize aliens?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's true.

[Matt]

Wait, so do you guys know about their. They've got the telescope that's, like, called the loser. You guys know all about that? I don't know much about.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know about that stuff, though.

[Matt]

Like, what are they. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

What are you guys doing over stuff? Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

Anyway, so. So, yeah. So then you ultimately end up with these ten kingdoms, these ten toes, and who knows, man? I don't. I don't know. Like, end time prophecy is not really my jam. It's not really my thing because I guess. I guess I just have more of a heart to be like, yeah, why? Whatever. I'm down for whatever. Like, I don't. I don't care how this thing goes. I don't care which way it goes. I don't care if it's pre trip, post trip, mid trip. I. I want to be aware, like, actually, Jess and I were talking on the way home today that, like, I'm intrigued by watching, like, macroeconomics and stuff currently today. Like, just because that's the system that the Antichrist is going to come through. Like, he's going to come and rule, like, through a political and economic system. And if you don't have his mark, you can't buy or sell without it. So.

[Raven]

Right.

[Matt]

Yeah. I feel responsibility to be able to. To pinpoint it when he comes on.

[Top Lobster]

The scene and identify it. Yeah.

[Matt]

Not just for me, but for my loved ones. I have to be able to say, like, yeah, no, no, no. That's it. Like, don't get this is the thing we're watching out for.

[Top Lobster]

Let me ask you a question, because I think, I don't know if I've nailed it specifically, but I do think that it is some sort of crypto and I think specifically it might be like XRP or Ripple, that. That crypto specifically, which will be the, the coin that they use. So I invested heavily in it because I'm like, listen, Yeah, I know it's crazy, but like, if I know this thing, if I know that this is like a government.

[Matt]

How you got rich or did you get rich? Don't put me like that. Like, don't. Like, was it from this? Or gave me a small loan of.

[Raven]

A quarter million dollars?

[Top Lobster]

No, I'm not rich.

[Raven]

High interest.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not rich. That. It's just, that's one of the investments that I saw early. And I was like, I'm going to buy that. Because they're doing what, what they're doing is like the, the government took it off the market. They, the SEC was attacking it because it's like this kind of coin that could, it's. It's good for its international trade. That's like where it really shines. Where other coins do certain things. Some are speed, some are like, like the, the ability for it to retain its worth. This one is specifically for international trade.

[Matt]

Yeah. And that's like, what do we use the SWIFT system now? And then the BRICS nations develop like Project Enbridge. It's like a way to do financial stuff across the planet.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's the same thing, but this will be a vehicle for them to do. Do that. So I recognize that, that they did that and I also recognize that now.

[Matt]

This is like, so you invested in it?

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So I'm like, so I'm gonna buy this Because I'm like. But then I was like, should I have reservations about like, well, I saw this, I'm gonna get ahead of it and then I'll have money to do what I need to do.

[Raven]

I think as long as you don't take an implant under your. I'm not gonna head.

[Top Lobster]

If they're like, you got to take an implant to use it. I'm like, well, then I'm out. But for right now, if you're gonna.

[Matt]

Do this, that's good. Like artificially get that out there.

[Top Lobster]

If you're going to artificially boost this coin and like basically tank the dollar and all around it's like, what am I, I'm supposed to sit here, watch you do this, and then not be able to Feed my family.

[Matt]

You guys are spiritually sharp, dude. You guys are like. I know you guys try to play it off like you're whatever, but you guys are sharp, dude. Like, I don't. I mean, well, you just saw stuff and then you, like, made your move on. And I respect that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I mean, listen, a lot of people are critical or skeptical of crypto, and I'm like, yeah, you should.

[Matt]

Because, I mean, what it is though, bro, if it's a thing they're using, like, whatever, it's at 100. Like, even the bitcoins, like 120 apiece. Like, I. I don't know how many billions of dollars are in that. Like, it's. It's obviously something. It's something. I don't know what it is.

[Raven]

Well, a lot of people have made money off that something.

[Matt]

But it was an intriguing thing, bro, is like, if the, like, no money leaves the planet, right? So, like, if. If stocks are at all time highs, gold and silver are even at, like all time highs, or more or less. And there's all these extra money in, like, the cryptos that didn't used to exist. It is a weird thing, bro. Is that all just the 2020 printed money just had to go somewhere.

[Raven]

Oh, that's fascinating.

[Top Lobster]

It's also like, I mean, when you get into the concept of what money really is, like, even gold. I don't really understand gold and silver money biblically. Yeah, but. But why?

[Raven]

Well, I understand, like, that's a.

[Matt]

That's a good question. But they always recognize it, I think because of its preciousness, man.

[Raven]

Yeah, it's got some properties that are pretty unique, like, antimicrobial properties.

[Matt]

Silver especially. But.

[Raven]

Yeah, but what I don't understand is crypto mining, dude. I don't understand that at all.

[Matt]

Wait, but back to the gold thing. So you want, like, what are you on? You're like, oh, the Anunnaki needed it to like make.

[Raven]

That's what he said and stuff.

[Matt]

Is that like.

[Top Lobster]

But I don't think it's. I don't think it's far off. I think that that story is nonsense.

[Matt]

And that's why gold is valuable, though, because of its.

[Top Lobster]

Gold is a. It's a good conductor of electricity. But, like, why?

[Raven]

Apparently it's not the best, though.

[Top Lobster]

Not the best. But it has. It does have, like, transmutable characteristics. Like, why did they give Jesus frankincense Gold? Frankincense and myrrh. Was it just because this stuff smelled nice and looked cool?

[Matt]

No. Well, not to cut you off but he was going into Egypt. They didn't have any money. Money. So. Yeah, so they. So the wise men, which probably came from under Daniel's tutelage, you know, but hundreds of years later, Jews who got taken into Babylon that didn't go back, that should have went back, they knew.

[Top Lobster]

They were supposed to give the Messiah this.

[Matt]

Well, yeah. They didn't necessarily know why, but it was right on time. Like, if we look at the story, then boom. Right then they bounce. He's a child.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

He's not a baby in a manger with wise men. He's a baby in a manger with shepherds. But then he's a child in a house. House with wise men. They come, they bring them. Yeah. Gold, frankincense and myrrh. They needed the gold. They were going to Egypt.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. But the frankincense and myrrh other. Have other useful properties. And I think the gold might have also. Like, so we're talking about Daniel being a scientist. Well, what kind of science were they delving into? What were they? Alchemy, baby. Yeah. But. Yeah. What were they doing with the gold? Because when I look at it, like, look at my ring. You see my ring on Matt's thing, this. I have. I have a white gold ring. My wife bought me, like, two of them. I'm like, I just refuse to wear it because, like, when I was working in construction, like, I'm not getting.

[Matt]

I never wore mine either when I was. No dog. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So, yeah, this is just.

[Raven]

I wore mine all through one. It literally burned me. There's a scar around my finger from the time that it got heated on.

[Matt]

A nail one time. And I was like, never again. I'll never wear this on a job.

[Raven]

I almost got the glove, but now.

[Top Lobster]

I just wear this. And I also, like, I never wear, like, any gold because I don't understand the appeal for. For people. They look at it and they go, oh, look at the shiny thing. Look at the diamond.

[Matt]

Wait.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It is just one of these weird things, though. That's always been money from the beginning of time. We could just blue letter Bible gold or silver. And see right when it starts to pop up in the scripture, like, Abraham's buying the tomb where him, Sarah, where they're all going to be buried at. He buys it with silver. Like, it's just. It's always been money. Like, I guess now it's less money because it's so useful for electronics. So you talk about, like, the silver price suppression because they're using it for, like, the cars, the phones, the solar panels. So it's kind of like a dual.

[Top Lobster]

Purpose inside of this computer. When that's. I mean, you can get real crazy with it. When you look at the microchips and they zoom in, and inside of that micro. Microchip is another microchip and another one, and then it's designed, kind of like cities are designed.

[Raven]

It looks like the layout of Egypt.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, the layout of Egypt or Babylon. You're like, what the hell were you guys doing?

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

With the gold. Like, what were you. And why is. Why does it matter?

[Matt]

So you're saying if they built, like, I don't know, the Aztec. Sorry, the Aztec Empire, like, built all this stuff, and it looks just like a microchip? Yeah, it looks exactly the same. Maybe they were conducting electricity.

[Top Lobster]

It's infused with. With pieces of gold that conduct electricity. So when I click that button, we see this. First off, okay, it's not jewelry. This is. This is one of the things. When I. When I went to school, I'm like, what the hell are you teaching me all this stuff? Like, you're teaching me chemistry, but I'm like, it doesn't make sense in the way that you're teaching me history, but I'm not interested because it doesn't make sense in the way you're teaching me. So when you show me jewelry and you're saying this thing has value because X, Y. I got to buy my wife a diamond ring to propose to her.

[Matt]

Right. How is it different from if I made it out of bright bronze or something else?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And I go, I gotta pay this money for it. I'm just. I'm looking at the thing, and to me, it doesn't resonate. It never resonates. Why it's important. Why do we see this as a valuable system all throughout human history? Unless, you know, then you. You start to look at the Bibles like, well, they were using it. What were they doing? And then you have to think about how technological they were back in the day. Daniel was a scientist. What? It doesn't mention what they were doing. Sure, they were doing something. They were doing something. There's definitely something more. This. I don't even know how we got on.

[Matt]

Well, that's how God even explains it. He says, this is the. The best empire. This is the empire of gold. It only goes down from here, man. Like this.

[Raven]

I feel the same level of confusion when it comes to things that supposedly smell good. Like. Like ins. Like, what is frankincense and myrrh?

[Matt]

What is it, they're just herbs, I think.

[Top Lobster]

Ah, they have, they have like properties. They're, they're not saying they don't have.

[Matt]

Properties, but I'm just saying ultimately they're an herb. Right.

[Raven]

Well, so there's songs that, that we sing in church and, and some of them are about like the, the scent of the oil and how that's like an offering and there's like this like alabaster oil. And I'm like, why is the scent of a thing important?

[Top Lobster]

Like that seems to be that alabaster oil was the one that Mary. Right. That she pours on Jesus.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Judas says, no, we should have sold that and gave the money to the poor.

[Top Lobster]

That one, I think, like he was.

[Matt]

A thief and had the bag.

[Top Lobster]

He had the bag. It was, it was different. But that oil was worth a lot of money. It was worth like almost an entire year, year's salary at the time. Because I think of like how they had to.

[Matt]

Extraction process. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think that's why gold and silver were valuable because of the extraction process like that they weren't common things and it was very like, like I guess in that day doesn't. In Solomon's day, he sent, he sent people to Ophir. I don't know how you say it. Ophir, he like sent his servants there to go mine for gold. They came back with gold. Like, like you had to pay for that. So like how much you had to pay for those servants and the ship. Ship.

[Raven]

So like scarcity.

[Matt]

Yeah, I mean it was, that's why it was valuable. And at some point they said, hey man, like, I can't trade you a horse for like your tomatoes because you don't have enough tomatoes that add up to a whole horse. So. Yeah, yeah, we have to come up with some kind of trading system. They're like, well, this stuff's valuable. But it does bring up an intriguing thought of like, why it's so electrically useful. It's used in high tech devices.

[Top Lobster]

Like, why is the dollar valuable right now? Because it's not.

[Matt]

Not.

[Top Lobster]

Why is crypto valuable? It's really not. None is valuable. But gold is. Well, gold.

[Raven]

You could actually replace your tooth with it. Like it's antimicrobial.

[Matt]

I mean, that's a, that's value.

[Raven]

That's a joke, right? But like they, they're digging up skeletons from like, you know, the Aztec that have chunks of, of their skeleton replaced with gold, like, like they were doing.

[Top Lobster]

Jack Bonson says that it's always shiny and it's like, sure, but I'd like to think that just the shininess of a thing doesn't give it. Like, who said.

[Matt]

Is that what they use to seal it? No, Zo. Dark gold. Is that what he's asking?

[Raven]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, I don't know, dude.

[Matt]

Spencer and the King James. It said it was made with gopher wood.

[Raven]

Look, somebody said frankincense stops inflammation and kills cancer cells and your body.

[Top Lobster]

Speculation for YouTube. We don't know.

[Raven]

Could well be. We don't know that that's true, but your body doesn't reject gold, so your body will reject all sorts of things, but it won't reject gold.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's very interesting. I don't know. I don't know. We got to have somebody to come in and talk about gold and not just like a.

[Raven]

A.

[Top Lobster]

A macroeconomics professor or a microeconomics professor.

[Raven]

A good time to plug this episode is brought to you by Wise Wolf. Gold and silver.

[Top Lobster]

That's not true.

[Raven]

That's not true.

[Top Lobster]

That's not true.

[Raven]

That's why it's been one long, elaborate plug.

[Top Lobster]

All right, let's. Let's continue. Let's continue. Because we got stuck in the mirror.

[Matt]

Yeah. I'm just saying that it's probably better that we didn't really dive into that too much anyway, because, like, that could go a lot of ways, man. But history did bear this out, that this was accurate. Like, this is exactly what. What happens even in this book. The Medes and Persians, the Silver empire, come and take over in Babylon. So that happens. And then history bears witness to Alexander the Great came next. That was Greece. They took over. And then after that was Rome. So. So it was biblically. The Bible was accurate.

[Raven]

And that's wild, because part of my brain was like, why? Why can't he try to. But he. He would never have had the context to interpret his own dream because he couldn't see the future that was coming.

[Matt]

Right. He couldn't even remember it. Yeah, but if he could. Yeah, he would have no clue.

[Top Lobster]

It's weird that this. This specific dream freaked him out that much, because it seems like it's just a dream of a statue, but, like, I guess, you know, he just shook.

[Matt]

But. Yeah, but it's just a statue. And then this thing comes out that wasn't cut with hands and destroys the whole statue. Ultimately, the kingdom of God is what comes and destroys that whole system. Whatever that. Whatever the iron and the clay and the toes, whatever that is, that's when Jesus comes back and destroys the whole system thing. But the whole statue dies. Whatever's left of whatever's left of the gold and the silver and the bronze, the whole thing's destroyed. And then there's a kingdom that never ends.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, all right.

[Matt]

Okay. Then Nebuchadnezzar fell on his face and worshiped Daniel. You're going to see this theme a lot. You just like Joe Pesci. Is it in Goodfellas? What happened to the tough guy? You see, you're gonna see that a lot, dude. Where like, Nebuchadnezzar, it's like, yeah, I'm the man. And then all of a sudden, he's like, okay, your guys God is the real God. Then King Nebuchadnezzar fell on his face and worshiped Daniel and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odors unto him. I see you, bro.

[Raven]

It's like, I don't know what's up with the odors.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Raven]

I don't know what that is.

[Matt]

But that's why the people in the occult love the, like, sage and the stuff. And they blow, like, forest stuff. And then people are all like, weird New age hippies and something like, no, no, I just want to grow food, but I want to talk to you guys about what food you're growing at your house. And now we can grow it. And dude, they'd come around. Like, if you stay till night, there's a fire going. You think it's super chill. Now they're coming around with the weird stuff and they're like, blowing the smoke in your face.

[Raven]

Strange incense.

[Matt]

You're like, can we just chill? I just want to talk about.

[Raven]

You gotta line those chakras, baby.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I mean, listen, I wear cologne.

[Raven]

I could literally go my whole life without ever wearing cologne or smelling another thing.

[Top Lobster]

I'm such like a. Like a practical. That, like, I'm like, I don't understand the value of, like, having a gold chain or gold. Gold Putting a cologne on. Like, this place.

[Raven]

I like. I like to smell good, but, like.

[Matt]

No, if you get the five dollar one, bro, just don't spray it on your skin because it's toxic. But you get the five dollar and want to do one spray on the shirt just so you don't smell, like, necessarily a bad thing.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I get deodorant and I get a shower, but I'm like, sometimes I'll do the cologne, but when I do it, I'm very aware of what. What am I doing.

[Matt]

Yeah, fair point.

[Top Lobster]

Like, valid point. This is, like, very valid point. So that when people walk by me, they go, dude, smells like curve or whatever.

[Matt]

No, it's not people walk by. It's when the white walks by.

[Raven]

That's. Yeah. My wife is the one who buys you.

[Matt]

I respect that.

[Top Lobster]

Trying to impress her. Like, we're good.

[Matt]

We got this.

[Top Lobster]

But it's just. It's things that go through my brain. Wait, we got a 10. Super chat from Mad Packs.

[Matt]

What does that mean?

[Raven]

I've heard you guys say that people pay us.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

And, you know, and then we say a comment.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I wouldn't.

[Raven]

I wouldn't recommend it as financial advice, but, yeah, they do.

[Matt]

Mad Packs.

[Top Lobster]

You want to read it?

[Raven]

Go ahead. Matt.

[Matt]

Matt, you ready?

[Raven]

Read it.

[Matt]

Good chat, gentlemen. Glory to Jesus.

[Raven]

Nice, man.

[Top Lobster]

And he wanted. I don't know why. So, like, the psychology behind.

[Matt]

I'll give you 10 bucks. Let me say this.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he's.

[Raven]

You know what that means? They find this of some value?

[Top Lobster]

No. So Matt. Matt's a boomer. We're gonna explain the Internet to him here.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Matt]

No, they said. That was a clown in me when you said.

[Raven]

Yeah, it's not. It's not. It was.

[Top Lobster]

It wasn't a compliment.

[Matt]

I was born in 1980, bro. I'm like, not a boomer.

[Raven]

Whoa.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Top Lobster]

It's a.

[Raven]

It's a spiritual condition.

[Top Lobster]

So when somebody super chats, this person here is saying. Not necessarily to get on the screen. It seems like this is like, they want to give us $10 because they like what we're saying, and they're just saying a thing, and I like the.

[Raven]

Thing because you have to. You can't just give the money without it, so you have to type in something. So people who just find value in it and want to contribute, they basically.

[Top Lobster]

Like, yeah, that's just like a. Yeah. But some people will get money, and they'll be like, I got a question for Matt.

[Raven]

Actually, they'll do that.

[Top Lobster]

He needs to do this.

[Matt]

No, but they should sen more money because all this stuff's expensive, bro. All the things are expensive.

[Raven]

This episode is brought to you by the Standard coffee shop.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[Matt]

All right.

[Raven]

Well, thank you. Thank you, Matt.

[Top Lobster]

There we go. We'll put up this banner so that way we could. Super chats will be read at the end of the show.

[Raven]

Yeah, well, we. We can't say that because oftentimes we don't remember.

[Matt]

But 45 ain't a boomer.

[Raven]

I mean, you know, like I said, it's a spiritual condition. Much more so than a. Than a generation.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it's up. It's up.

[Matt]

Anyone over 40 is a boomer.

[Raven]

Who is Gen Z? I'm a millennial.

[Top Lobster]

We'll. We'll figure it out. We'll figure out if Matt's a boomer, but right now, we're giving him the benefit.

[Matt]

Okay, Fair enough. No, that's fair. Like, I don't know any of the tech stuff because I was in construction too, so I didn't even have, like, a computer for the longest time.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Raven]

I still don't know.

[Top Lobster]

What do we call him a boomer for? I forgot what he did.

[Raven]

Just, you know, texting Joe Rogan. Oh. Oh, it's texting.

[Matt]

Texting.

[Raven]

No, calling is another one. He calls you a lot. That's boomer behavior, bro.

[Matt]

Will, you said that he said that.

[Top Lobster]

That's right. I like when Matt calls me, you know, now he's not going to call me anymore. All right, let's continue to read. See, he's very antisocial. I don't mind.

[Matt]

People don't like calls, bro. Like, I don't like calls either.

[Raven]

I don't like when calls.

[Matt]

But if there's a thing we had to talk about, I don't want to do a hundred texts.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Raven]

Well, if it's. Doesn't take, like, two texts, you got to refine it.

[Top Lobster]

He said, yo, what time we meeting today? And he sent a lobster. And I was like.

[Raven]

Like, that's. Yeah, Little boomery. You know, the use of emojis. It's pretty boomery.

[Top Lobster]

If we're going to fix them.

[Raven]

I don't know. I think it's endearing. Okay, come. Please, please. Let's continue.

[Top Lobster]

He started to worship Daniel. That's a problem.

[Raven]

Yeah, Daniel, He. He better have shucked that off. He better said, not me, dude. God.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's a fair point. Yeah. I'm 46. He worships Daniel.

[Raven]

Does Daniel. Correct that. Does Daniel go like, nah, dude, it's not me, it's God. Because he even tells him preemptively. He's like, there was a guy God that can interpret your dreams.

[Matt]

Well, I don't know. This scenario is a lot like when Joseph gets put into his position in Egypt. It's almost just like, okay, this kind of has to happen. He's just kind of like, okay, let's go.

[Top Lobster]

Gotcha. Gotcha.

[Raven]

Yeah, it was one of those things where he's like, it's God. And he's like, daniel, stop being humble. He's like, no, seriously. Oh, His. His computer is just dying.

[Matt]

There was no audio for the whole thing.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no.

[Matt]

That was just a charger.

[Raven]

Look at it. He saw that. He got all worried.

[Top Lobster]

They hear us.

[Raven]

Like, they're doing Spencer with the emojis.

[Top Lobster]

Very boomery.

[Raven]

Big boomer. Big boomer.

[Top Lobster]

All right, so, yes.

[Matt]

Okay, so this is what. When you said a hybrid Bible study. Now I get it.

[Raven]

What, would we just interrupt you constantly?

[Matt]

No, I love that. I'm just saying, like, you're right. We're not, like, keeping it, like, on the Bible the whole time. So it is a hybrid Bible study.

[Top Lobster]

Is this bad? God doesn't like.

[Raven]

You don't like.

[Matt]

No, no, no. This is, like how you guys talk. This is how your people in the chats, like, communicate. God talks to people how they communicate. So you just have this conversation, and then maybe, you know, you start talking about other stuff.

[Top Lobster]

The next time we do this, I'm gonna figure out how to get, like, your logo in the back.

[Raven]

Because it's weird.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it'll be cool. Standard coffee shop.

[Raven]

Standard coffee shop.

[Matt]

I don't. You guys don't have to do that.

[Raven]

We want to do that.

[Top Lobster]

Easy. It's easy. Don't worry about it. Okay, let's. Let's. Let's continue.

[Matt]

Oh, before I forget, I'm starting to do it in the middle of the show. Can you create a logo that's, like our standard logo? Like that. You know how it's a circle.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And then you do, like, an NDS one around it, even if it's just as simple as it says, like, baffling death squad. So then when we do the shir.

[Raven]

Which I don't mean to let anybody.

[Matt]

Know what's going to be on the shirt.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matt]

But on the front, it's going to have our logo right here. But what if it's, like, in collaboration with the nds, so there's, like, a cool thing around it?

[Raven]

I could.

[Top Lobster]

All right, we'll figure that out.

[Matt]

Lightning in it. Like, going around our logo, but it's like a circle thing that says.

[Top Lobster]

Well, actually, let's be careful because that.

[Matt]

One'S got to be a collab. Jess is like. Yeah, it's got to be a collaboration. It can't just say, like, our logo on the front.

[Raven]

Well, why.

[Matt]

What's wrong with that thing on the back?

[Raven]

We could just put a little one on the sleeve.

[Top Lobster]

Maybe. Maybe I think a good idea if people like that. We'll introduce it to. To these guys. This is. This is.

[Raven]

I love this shirt.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Show it hold on. Yeah, it's my computer is. There we go. Boom. So this is a.

[Raven]

It's.

[Top Lobster]

It's our depiction of Elijah, the Tish bite. Well, should we tell them as Elijah, make them guess?

[Raven]

Well, it's too late now.

[Matt]

No, they knew. As soon as you see the Tish bite, they knew.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So it's him there, and he's. He's. He's bringing down fire. Crushing, coaling down fire. God's fire. On. On.

[Raven]

Are those people pumped about it or not?

[Top Lobster]

They're not.

[Raven]

They're not pumped about. They don't.

[Matt]

Look, the one thing is, none of those guys. Guys have slit wrists, though, like in the story. They're cut.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

They need. We need some blood. Shoot now.

[Raven]

Do that. How much kill.

[Top Lobster]

How much color you want on this thing?

[Raven]

Because you want some color.

[Matt]

We can't do black and white where it's just, like, blood gushing, though. That's the story. These guys are like. That's how they contacted their gods. Was, like, cutting the blood. Like, blood's going everywhere.

[Top Lobster]

You want to cut them up a little bit? All right, I guess we could do that. We can figure that out. But, yeah, we're getting it as close to biblically accurate as possible. And maybe. Maybe we'll do.

[Matt]

Maybe the water. The water on it. Because people don't know. Like, Elijah. It's. It's Elijah versus 850 false prophets.

[Raven]

Look, somebody already needs that shirt.

[Matt]

Yolia. Yeah. Yolo.

[Raven]

I don't know how to pronounce. Oh, that's low.

[Matt]

Yolo.

[Top Lobster]

This is, like, color version.

[Matt]

I don't know. That's legit.

[Raven]

Bro likes it. You love it, Artist. He loves it.

[Matt]

Well, there's no way to have it on there, huh? That makes sense.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but I. I just. This takes a while to do, Matt. You know, it's. It's not just. It's not just that. It just happens like that, but we gotta finish that.

[Raven]

We gotta finish.

[Matt]

I'm sorry.

[Raven]

The whole Book of Daniel.

[Top Lobster]

Maybe we'll make that available and that'll be. That would be cool. So people could know about the standard.

[Matt]

Anybody in the chat. You think they'd even buy it or.

[Raven]

Guys, would you like it if. Would you buy the shirt?

[Top Lobster]

They said, I need that shirt.

[Raven]

That's what YOLO said. Shout out yolo.

[Top Lobster]

They buy it. They'll buy it if they. If they like it. We'll see.

[Raven]

See, Scruffy von Winkle says all the way to the bank. That.

[Matt]

That.

[Raven]

I think that means you buy what that means, Spencer.

[Matt]

P. Yeah, we should touch on that. That's another thing I texted Joe Rogan about.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Raven]

What's up? I don't want to get into that right now.

[Matt]

Right now.

[Top Lobster]

But the top keeps going on these.

[Raven]

Long winded diversions, and I don't think.

[Matt]

We'Re trying to get crazy of a. I mean, the story itself is crazy.

[Raven]

But I don't think it's crazy to kill 42 children.

[Matt]

Complex. It's just not that complex.

[Top Lobster]

Those kids had it coming.

[Raven]

Honestly.

[Matt]

They weren't kids. Like, that's the other issue with the translation. Is that, like. Yeah, it wasn't children.

[Raven]

H. How old were they?

[Matt]

They. And they were. They were saying, go up, baldy. Go up, baldy. They were like, making fun of him.

[Raven]

Because why wouldn't you kill him?

[Matt]

And they were mocking him because, like, Elijah had got taken up. Go up, go up. So it's like Elijah had got taken up. Elijah was a hairy man. Like, this dude was like, bald. Like, maybe they're making fun of him because he's bald.

[Raven]

I mean, would that just possibly mean that he wasn't, like, bodily hairy?

[Matt]

Maybe. Yeah. I mean. Well, no, I think it says he was bald. Like, it would have been. Yeah, probably referring to, like, his hair.

[Top Lobster]

But we'll get into that. We'll read that, like, my bad description on this. Okay. Just don't ever do that again.

[Raven]

Yeah, please. Also, Mad packs. He wants two of those shirts.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. So, yeah, I'm not gonna send him to. But you could buy them, I guess.

[Raven]

You already sold four. Right there.

[Top Lobster]

You come to. You. You gotta. They'll be in the coffee shop first, and then we'll make it available on top.

[Matt]

Put on the lobster at the same time.

[Top Lobster]

Coffee shop. First we gotta buy coffee.

[Raven]

Look at him calling shots.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I know.

[Matt]

No, I just don't want to get the beneficiary of it.

[Top Lobster]

No, we'll do. We'll do like rev split on toploster.com too. It'll be cool. It'll be fine. You guys will figure it out.

[Raven]

We'll.

[Top Lobster]

We'll. We'll figure that out. Okay.

[Matt]

Verse 46. Then King Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face and worshiped Daniel and commanded that they should offer him an oblation and sweet odors unto him. The king answered unto Daniel and said of a truth it is that your God is a God of gods. A uppercase G. God of lowercase G. Gods.

[Raven]

Oh, that's a great delineation there.

[Matt]

And a lord of kings and a revealer of Secrets. Seeing you could reveal this secret. Secret. Yeah. The lowercase G gods thing is a major theme of scripture. It's not a minor thing of scripture. It's a major thing. Then the king made Daniel a great man and gave him many great gifts and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon and chief of the governors over all the wise men of Babylon. Then Daniel requested of the king, and he set Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego over the affairs the province of Babylon. But Daniel sat in the gate of the king.

[Raven]

So he was like, put on my homie. These two.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Raven]

Nice. Yeah, nice.

[Matt]

That's when the dude gets, like, a record deal and he's like, you gotta sign these dudes.

[Raven]

Not as talented, but guys.

[Top Lobster]

Actually, the guys in the ufc, two of them, very interesting. Two spinning elbow knockouts yesterday. Each of them said to Dana White afterward, hire my homie.

[Matt]

Really?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. That never happens.

[Raven]

That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Complete side note. I like the ufc, but, yeah, very interesting. Shout out, Shout out.

[Matt]

That's respect. He's like, these are my guys, bro. Like, don't forget, they covered me in prayer before I went. Went in. Like, don't, like, don't forget that. Like, this is. This is not just me. They were God. But if there's humans involved, too, those were definitely the humans involved. Like, let's get them in the mix. All right? Which, remember, again, he Knew they were 10 times better than everybody to begin with.

[Raven]

Right?

[Matt]

So I'm saying.

[Raven]

So it's not untalented homies.

[Matt]

Long story. Right.

[Top Lobster]

But it's. Here's the thing. Like, we. The first time we had spoken in the coffee shop. Shout out. Standard coffee shop.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

We were talking about, like. Like, the homeless guy. And I told you, I was like, damn, how far?

[Matt]

Far.

[Top Lobster]

How far am I? Like, we're only, like, a step or two removed.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

From being that.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So it's like remembering, like, the idea of remembering, like, who you are and the people that help you get there, too, is a big deal in probably not falling down.

[Raven]

I think I can still taste the sourness of the. The pungentness of the dumpster still.

[Top Lobster]

Right there, Duncan. Dumpsters.

[Matt]

So think about this, right? Like, God is the God of Israel, but he's the God of the whole planet, too. Right? So, like, he just got his boys into the cabinet of the most powerful empire on the planet.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, so now the influence of the Jews is in Babylon. Do you see what I'm saying now? They're having influence.

[Top Lobster]

Right, Right.

[Matt]

They're having Influence in society. Who knows, again, how many Jews were there that, like, weren't necessarily doing anything? But they were there. Yeah, right. These dudes were doing stuff.

[Raven]

These are. Yeah, super Jewish Jews.

[Matt]

And now they're having a. Now they're having like a. They're having like such an effect on the society. Like they're. And we don't have all the stories of day to day life there, but clearly they had an effect on society now. All right, okay, so. So chapter three, verse one. You see what he's doing?

[Raven]

I'm reading it. I'm preemptively reading it.

[Matt]

You see what he's doing?

[Raven]

Yeah, dude, that's an interesting.

[Matt]

Oh, the head's made of gold, and then there's silver and bronze, and then there's iron. No, I don't think so.

[Top Lobster]

Nebuchadnezzar, the king made an image of gold whose height was three score cubits. What is that cub?

[Matt]

I don't know. What do they say? A foot and a half per cubit or something? I don't know. But I. But I thought this was like 90ft. But anyway.

[Top Lobster]

That's crazy.

[Matt]

Think about that in relation to the dream. Like, oh, you're going to tell me that history is going to go like this? No, no, no. The thing's staying gold. The whole thing's gold.

[Raven]

Yeah.

[Matt]

See what I'm saying? He's like, no, no, I'm. You're never taking me down. This is this whole thing that starts to go back and forth between God and Nebuchadnezzar, bro. Which unpacks in the next couple of chapters. And it's a wild.

[Raven]

Yeah, that is wild. So he's like, he's blown away with the. With the interpretation.

[Matt]

Somebody gave us 10 bucks.

[Raven]

Unbelievable.

[Top Lobster]

This person opted not to say anything.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Raven]

Brew.

[Top Lobster]

Thank you. He must enjoy coffee, too.

[Raven]

Bru, does he work for you? That's crazy. Unbelievable. Well, thank you very much, man. Brew. He doesn't even have it, look. He says don't have an attached text at the bottom there.

[Top Lobster]

Mama lobster says frankincense is used for healing. She uses it for her knees.

[Matt]

She knows.

[Top Lobster]

She knows. Didn't know that.

[Raven]

Strong. Great moisturizer.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, Nancy said one cubit equals 1.5ft.

[Top Lobster]

That's our producer.

[Raven]

We don't talk to Nancy.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, don't, don't.

[Raven]

Don't show any attention.

[Matt]

My bad.

[Top Lobster]

She's not a good person now you know.

[Raven]

Thank you, Nancy.

[Matt]

All right, so he makes this. He makes this image of gold, right? Then. Then he says this the image is.

[Top Lobster]

An interesting use of words as well.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You know, the book of Revelation is talking about the Antichrist will be the image. He will be image of the beast. Yeah, Image of the beast.

[Raven]

Let us make them in our image. Image, Image. Image.

[Matt]

Idols. Images, lowercase G. Gods are wrapped up in it. This is where people get it wrong. They're like, oh, these ancient stupid people, they just made a statue and thought that was God. No, no, that little statue was in worship of that lowercase G. God that did explain. Exist.

[Raven]

I'm coming to the point in my life where I'm like, these ancient people knew. Knew a lot more. Probably a lot.

[Matt]

Bro, we don't know anything, bro. We, like, think of how helpless we are sometimes. People say, oh, you have a farm. Like, you grow your own food. You're. You're a prepper. No, no, it's just called life. Like, everybody just did that. The only reason you would call that a prepper is because, like, everybody's dependent on this system. Yeah, that's the only reason you would call it that. The only reason you would say, oh, you're doing that. Just so. So if the world comes.

[Raven]

Why would you do that? You can go to McDonald's.

[Matt]

No, nobody cares.

[Raven]

Get a human burger.

[Matt]

This got weird.

[Raven]

But you don't think that's true.

[Matt]

But that's only weird because people are not doing that anymore.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

He's over the top.

[Raven]

You don't think that's weird?

[Top Lobster]

He crosses the line. Yeah, that's fine, though.

[Raven]

I think they make him.

[Top Lobster]

But I do think that they make them on. There actually is. It's not. It's not even a thing. It's not. It's not a.

[Raven]

There's articles.

[Top Lobster]

They write articles.

[Raven]

Pickles.

[Top Lobster]

No, no.

[Matt]

It's a known thing.

[Raven]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

The FDA has found human stuff in them. Just a little McDonald's food.

[Raven]

Just a little bit.

[Top Lobster]

No, they have. They have a statistical.

[Raven]

Can you just hold that up the whole time?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. The FDA has, like, a statistical amount, percentage of human meat that is permissible within food that you consume.

[Matt]

Bro, like, I thought this was like a 33.

[Top Lobster]

Listen, I don't know why they would have that, but they do.

[Matt]

Wait, you're saying the FDA says it. A certain amount of human. Human permissible.

[Raven]

Same thing with, like, bugs. Yeah. Like, you could find a certain amount of copper.

[Matt]

Wait, what do you mean? Like, they were grinding it and the fingernail got caught in the finger got caught in the bird.

[Top Lobster]

Some dude falls into, like, the thing and, like, they like the Brooklyn Bridge. You know about the Brooklyn Bridge? I mean, like, mad people, Indians. The dudes are working on this. Fallen into it. And you got a huge concrete mixer pouring.

[Matt]

Has to keep going. Whoopsie.

[Top Lobster]

We gonna stop it. Do you. Get that guy out. It's done. He's like, you think you're gonna stop.

[Raven]

Burger production because a man fell into the van?

[Top Lobster]

Dog people.

[Matt]

This is wild, bro. I don't eat that stuff anyway.

[Raven]

You know why? Because the Nephilim were cannibals and they want us to be cannibals.

[Top Lobster]

Honestly, it could be, but it could just be because. It could just be because.

[Raven]

Did you know the Nephilim look like clowns? Think about Ronald McDonald.

[Matt]

Don't get me started on that guy.

[Raven]

What's he doing?

[Matt]

I don't know. That's crazy.

[Raven]

Why has he got that? Children's foundation.

[Top Lobster]

I'm looking this up here, but there is a. Anyway, let's continue. But please, we're sorry. Yeah, dude, there's a certain amount of, like, rodent meat, rodent hair.

[Raven]

And that's. That's a. Yeah, that's fine.

[Top Lobster]

All kinds of stuff that is allowed to be human remains. Term human remains is popular in the fda Filth. So human hair, things like that.

[Raven]

Yeah, but they found teeth.

[Top Lobster]

Whatever. Let's read. Let's keep reading the Bible.

[Matt]

So he builds this. He builds this giant thing. It's so many cubits tall. It's an image of gold. And then the princes, the governors, the captains, the judges, the treasurers, the counselors, the sheriffs, and all the rulers of the provinces were gathered together under the dedication of the. The image. So it's a dedication of the image.

[Top Lobster]

It's crazy. Have you learned nothing?

[Matt]

This is like. This is like Antichrist vibes. The whole thing does have, like, Antichrist vibes to it that Nebuchadnezzar the king set up. And they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. Then a herald cried out to you. It is commanded, oh, people's nations and languages. That. At what time you hear. I'm not going to read all these instruments because they sound crazy. But at the time you hear all the instruments, you fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king has set up.

[Raven]

Being like. Like music. Is that what you're saying?

[Matt]

Okay, yeah, yeah. They're playing, like, the flute, the harp.

[Top Lobster]

Here's what it says in the King James.

[Matt]

I'll just read it. The cornet, the flute, the harp, the sack Butt sultry dulcimer and all kinds of music. I don't know what those are. I don't know what those are.

[Raven]

I play the sack, but sounds like.

[Matt]

A band with at least like six or eight instruments.

[Top Lobster]

Music spelled odd also M U S.

[Raven]

I C K. It's the same way they. That Crowley spells magic.

[Top Lobster]

That's what I was going to. Yeah. Yeah. When they get into like that. Yeah. Black magic.

[Matt]

King James English is a weird English English, bro.

[Top Lobster]

Strange. Strange.

[Matt]

Okay. So when you hear the music, you gotta fall down and worship this. And whosoever falls not down and worships shall the same hour be cast in the midst of a burning fiery furnace. So I guess this was a way of death that they had in that time was like a giant burning fiery fur.

[Raven]

Was it shaped like a bull?

[Matt]

Could have been. Who knows, right?

[Raven]

A little Molokian.

[Matt]

Molec was an owl, wasn't he?

[Raven]

Minerva's an owl that got co. Opted to be. Well, BAAL is a terminology that means.

[Matt]

King or lord Hoard.

[Raven]

But yeah. Moloch was depicted as a large bull. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And.

[Raven]

And they would sacrifice people inside of it. A big brass bowl. They would.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. This thing must have been cooking all day because I mean that was like.

[Matt]

What kind of children?

[Raven]

Like bad ones mostly. Misbehaving ones.

[Top Lobster]

Are you talking about the sacrifice of children?

[Raven]

I don't know which kinds.

[Top Lobster]

Don't like. Don't give your children to the fires of Moloch because people were doing that for.

[Matt]

Yeah, it was the abortion of that day.

[Raven]

Yeah. Well, I mean, abortion is like termination while they're in the womb.

[Matt]

No, but I'm more like. Still same concept of innocent boy blood being sacrificed.

[Raven]

Yeah, yeah, very much so.

[Matt]

To a false God.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's. And for like, for convenience or pleasure. Like.

[Matt]

And I'm sure that society had reasons why it wasn't just. Okay. It was good too. It was.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Who are you, like dog? We're gonna make. We need rain. Like reproductive. Oh, we need to. You know, I need to get like. I need to work my job. I gotta. I have like a, you know, nine, five to work. So I can't have this kid. So it's like.

[Matt]

Man.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, just. Oh, convenience, kind of.

[Matt]

Hey, man. So then verse seven, therefore, at the time when all the people heard the music, all this is crazy too. This is why it's antichrist vibes, man. All the people and nations and languages. So it's like everybody's represented here. Fell down and worshiped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

[Raven]

This is an interesting line. The next one.

[Matt]

Wherefore, at the time, certain Chaldeans came near and accused the Jews. Jews.

[Top Lobster]

What does that mean?

[Matt]

They accused the Jews of not bowing and worshiping. Worshiping it. Okay, yeah, that's like a, that's like a trigger phrase for you.

[Raven]

I didn't like that. I was like, they're doing it again, but this time they're, they're not doing it well. Yeah, they're not chucking the kids or anybody into the golden image of Nebuchadnezzar.

[Matt]

But it was certain Jews. Verse 12 says, there's certain Jews. So it's not just the Jews. There are certain Jews. Jews whom you've set over the affairs of the province of Babylon, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego. These men, O King, have not regarded thee. They serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which you have set up.

[Raven]

These are his homies, though. No, these are Daniel's homies.

[Matt]

Yeah. So who knows, Maybe there was Jews in the land that did not bow to it, but they didn't make a big deal out of that. They were common people, but they were like, these dudes are in your cabinet and they're not bowing to the image.

[Top Lobster]

You got to make an example.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Ah, this dude is an idiot.

[Matt]

Or maybe just like they, like they, the, the Jews in that day were bowing to it. They were like, well, we're in Babylon. Let's just go with the flow. Let's not rock the boat.

[Raven]

They did the golden calf thing before in the.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, it is, it is kind.

[Matt]

Of, but there's always that. There's always the dudes that won't compromise and they actually do something. They actually have some kind of impact on everything.

[Raven]

This has, what is it? Like the Pharaoh vibes, you know, where it's like no matter how many times he sees, he's still like, yeah, doing douchy stuff.

[Matt]

Well, the world rulers, they do always kind of seem to be under the same spirit.

[Raven]

They do the same thing over and over again. This next one, can you.

[Top Lobster]

It's almost, it's almost unfair, right? I mean, we, we spoke with Ed Mabry about it. Like when God sends Pharaoh like a.

[Raven]

Great deception because he doesn't want to see the truth.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he can't stop. Every, every single time they. He brings another plague. It's like Pharaoh's kind of like he's gonna. But then he's like, no, no, like, cuz God is, God is not allowing him to submit which is. I mean, he says, well, the way that you're.

[Raven]

You're.

[Matt]

You guys probably don't know this, but you're getting, like, a major war within the church.

[Raven]

Like, major war.

[Matt]

Maybe you do know, I don't know, like, if you have free will or not. And the God made Pharaoh do it. But it starts off with. Pharaoh had a hard heart. Yeah, it starts off with that. Like, Whereas I think God's like, whatever you want to be, bro. I'll help you with that. Like, Like Judas. He's like, hey, man, you're a thief. I'll put you in charge of the money. Pharaoh, you want to have a hard heart? I'll help you have a hard heart. I don't think it's like God reached inside to Pharaoh and did righty tidy and made his heart.

[Raven]

Well, that's what Ed said was like, he had a choice, and he. He. He didn't do the thing. And then God was like, here's a plague. And. And it basically makes Pharaoh even.

[Top Lobster]

The punishment is continually consistent with his transgression.

[Matt]

And this is a unique dude, bro. He thinks he's a God.

[Raven]

Right, right, right.

[Matt]

This isn't a common person. So, like, if you attach all your doctrine to Pharaoh, it's like, he's a very unique individual who thinks he's a God.

[Raven]

But I don't think it was unfair. It was like he kept giving him the option.

[Matt]

Well, the Roman says that it makes reference to, like, God said, I raised him up for this purpose. Like, God who looked at mankind all at once, all knows all the time periods, knows everything, says, hey, man, I gotta have somebody in Egypt who will defy me the entire time. And like, a normal would probably, you know, they're. They're gonna be moved by the plagues. Real mean guy, man. He might even not repent after three plagues. Maybe the Hitler type. He's not even gonna repent after six plagues. But this dude, Pharaoh, bro, I'm gonna bring 10 plagues. I'm gonna dust all the firstborn in Egypt, and he's still not gonna repent.

[Raven]

Well, this is what I'm saying.

[Matt]

He knew him from the beginning of time, said, yeah, this is the guy I need to have in that role.

[Raven]

Well, that's like the idea that Satan is a. Is a necessary entity, that that is there for the development of human being. It's. It's a tool that God uses.

[Matt]

And that's.

[Raven]

Yeah, there's goblins in the doorway.

[Top Lobster]

Children.

[Raven]

Yeah. All right, so let's.

[Top Lobster]

Let's get through. Let's get through this part here, and then we'll.

[Matt]

We'll wrap it up. Okay. Yeah, no, this is. This is good right here.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, let's. Let's continue.

[Matt]

So they accused him. Then Nebuchadnezzar, in his rage and fury, commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king. Nebuchadnezzar spake and said unto them, is it true? Oh, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not you serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up. Now, if you be ready, then at what time you hear the. The instruments, you fall down and worship the image which I made. But if not, you shall be the same hour. You shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. And who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands.

[Raven]

Okay? So, yeah, when you hear that sack butt, you're gonna. You're gonna fall down. You're gonna worship this image. If not, he's gonna save you, homie.

[Matt]

He's like saying to these guy, I love how this thing unfolds. Like, all right, boys, it's your last chance. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. That's what he said.

[Matt]

He's like, it's your last chance. And I don't know who you think you are, but what God's going to save you. Like, he didn't already know. This is what I'm saying. This unfolds over who knows how many years or how many decades? Because we read it like, this is Wednesday.

[Top Lobster]

It's the next chapter.

[Matt]

Yeah. Chapter two was Tuesday. And now we're in Wednesday.

[Raven]

You're like, dude, you just saw what happened. Like, no, not really.

[Matt]

He just said how powerful Daniel's God.

[Raven]

Was, but maybe that was.

[Matt]

How does he forget? Because it's a long game.

[Top Lobster]

It's a long game, but it's like, even the angels in heaven, right? When they. When they fall, it's like, how could you forgot? But it's like, it's a matter of time. And also, I think what it is is worship.

[Matt]

Well, yeah, maybe Lucifer had him. Trick, bro. Like, yo, no, I got it. Like, hey, I got an inside deal here.

[Top Lobster]

But that's.

[Raven]

That's the one fall, right? That's the rebellion of Lucifer. There's also the Watchers, which is.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's just.

[Matt]

Just the idea of the 200 on Mount Hermon.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. When you accept. When you accept worship from people, from other people, that's like the most poison that's why God's like, no, that's for me. It's not for you. Don't accept. Yeah, I know. Like that.

[Raven]

Eyes up here.

[Matt]

No, I'm sorry.

[Top Lobster]

When you accept the worship, that's like. It degrades at you. So if you're a king, he's accepting worship. Over how many years you forgot what happened with this.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Top Lobster]

And. And now you're here again. And now you are. Now you think you are a God. And it's the same thing with the fallen angels. They accept the worship, they fall, they forget.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And that's what it is, man. And it's like, yeah, David's accepted some. Not just.

[Raven]

That's not true. I've not accepted any worship. Who's out here?

[Top Lobster]

Don't accept the worship, man.

[Matt]

Okay. This is one of the most gangster lines in the bible, though. Verse 6. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego answer instead of the king. Oh, Nebuchadnezzar, we're not even careful to answer you in this matter. Can you imagine? He's saying, dude, I'm gonna. And there's the furnace. You know, it's hot. He says, bro, I'm gonna throw your ass in the fiery furnace. And their response is like, we're not even careful to answer you.

[Raven]

I ain't scared.

[Matt]

Damn, I'm not scared. If it be so. This is gangster, dude. If it be so, our God, whom we serve, is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace. And he will deliver us out out of thine hand, O king. But if not, be it known unto you, O king, that we will not serve your gods, nor worship the golden image which you've set up. They say, bro, our God can save us out of the fiery furnace. But even if he doesn't, he's still.

[Raven]

Our God, and we're not worshiping your stupid statue.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Yeah. This is so raw, bro.

[Matt]

Like, think of how the impact that this has if people don't compromise with the culture and with the society.

[Raven]

I'm not even gonna lie, though. Like, I'm happy to have you here, Matt, and to be going through this with this, because. Scroll up just a little bit. Top. I just want to read that even from this perspective is. I don't know if it's a different translation, but where it says, answer to the king, oh, Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter. I would not have interpreted it that way. I would have just been like, I don't even know really what that means. Yeah, Just because of the way that.

[Matt]

The sentence is structured, saying, like, bro, we're not even sweating this answer, bro.

[Raven]

16. That's 16. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

3.

[Raven]

16. It's 24. That's 13. 19, 16. Oh, Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you. And that's it. So. So that's how it surmises.

[Matt]

We're not even sweating it.

[Raven]

I like that.

[Matt]

I'm not gonna defend myself to you, bro. I'm with the creator of the universe. Like. Like, that's Christian living right there, bro. Christian living is like, dude, whatever you.

[Raven]

It's just like, this is so much better than trying to read the King James version.

[Matt]

I hate to, like, always bring it back to 2020. I just feel like for a lot of American people, they just never had any. Just. Just, like, you know, in American society, like, you get so much gain for being a Christian. You become part of a friend group. Yeah. Really nice people know you as a nice guy. It doesn't say cuss words. You eat at Chick Fil A and you have a Z88 happy hits bumper sticker. And, like, everything's great. And you're wonderful. You're like the Lego guy in the Lego Movie. You know, everything's awesome. Right? And then all of a sudden, 2020 came along and, like, the world kind of showed its fangs a little bit, bro. Like, you're gonna inject this thing whether you like it or not. Yeah. Do you see what I'm saying? Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

It was like our first chance to really be like, no, I'm not. Yeah. No, it was like our first chance to, like, something like this.

[Raven]

Even though I'm.

[Matt]

It's a million times lower. I'm not comparing, of course.

[Top Lobster]

Of course.

[Matt]

Saying with, like, a little smidge of being able to be like, I don't give a. What your world tells me. I don't answer to the world. I don't care what the world has to offer me. I don't care what its goods are. I don't care if I can go on their airplanes. I don't care if I can go into basketball games. I don't care if I can go in the restaurants. Like, I get to be a man of God.

[Top Lobster]

So this is a. Remember we. I told you about.

[Matt]

Sorry for the cuss words.

[Raven]

I just get a little hyper. This is a Christian show. I know. I'm not gonna scare, man.

[Top Lobster]

Remember I told you about, like, the folding out we had with the friend or whatever? It was about the the theater. And the theater had told us, you.

[Matt]

Cannot play here unless you get the injection.

[Top Lobster]

No, they said, you can't. You can't play here if you have this person here.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

For whatever reasons, it was just nonsense. It was just. It's like. It's a tactic of intimidation. But it's like what we saw there was, all right, this is cancel culture. We've read about it. We've seen a lot about it, but here it is now, right in front of you. What will you do?

[Matt]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

You say, right, this guy can't come, so we can do this. It's like, no. It's like, this is what we've been preparing. Like, this is what we've been reading and talking about for years and years. And I was like, now here we are. And they presented us the opportunity to say, screw you. And I was like, it's the easiest thing in the world to do, to say, screw you. I won't negotiate. And that's what we did. And then obviously, the friendship fractured because it was like, you know, I was like, absolutely not negotiating how cool we were. Yeah. But it's. Again, I mean, I'm grateful for the opportunity. Opportunity. How many people get the opportunity to show that's true? I guess on 20. 20 you did. But, like, not many people get the opportunity to say, like, you've been saying something and championing. I'm champion.

[Matt]

Well, to suffer loss, for Christ's sake, is very honorable. Like that. That's like a very high honor. Like, in the human experience, to suffer loss because of Christ is this great and high honor that we don't really get a whole lot in America, man.

[Raven]

That's why it sounds crazy, but it's like, if this all ends with. With me getting behavior headed, like, that's kind of the best outcome.

[Matt]

Oh, it's just like, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. It's like. Like, whatever it's going to happen. Like, nobody's getting out of your alive.

[Raven]

Christ is Lord. And then my head rolls off like, that's. That's like literally doing the gymnastics and doing, like, a triple double butt, but back and then sticking the landing. Like that's what it is.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, kind of.

[Top Lobster]

All right, let's. Let's continue.

[Matt]

Let's continue. Then was Nebuchadnezzar, full of fury in the form of his visage, was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Therefore, he spoke and commanded they should heat the furnace seven times more than it was Want to be heated seven times, huh? And he commanded the most mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace. Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen and their hats and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Therefore, because the king's commandment was urgent and the furnace a succeeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meach and Abednego.

[Raven]

Oh, so he turned the heat up so much that it actually murdered his or killed his men.

[Matt]

These are his most mighty men. Verse 20, dummy. Almost like God was like, oh, you're taking out my. My boys. No, I'm taking out your boys. Dang. That's what God did right there.

[Raven]

He's like, okay, you're just like, proximity to the heat.

[Matt]

Yeah, it was that hot. Like, they opened the door, I guess, and the flame was like, damn.

[Top Lobster]

Now, wait, does this. Where does it say mighty men?

[Matt]

Verse 20. He commanded the most mighty men that were in his army. Oh, yeah. Which God's like that, bro? If you think about, like, when they stone Stephen in the Book of Acts, they lose Stephen, right? But then right after that, God's like, I'm taking Saul. You see what I'm saying? Like. Like, he's like that. He's like, oh, you want to f. With my boys? Like, I'm taking your boys now. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, those guys are on the kingdom of darkness now. They're on the kingdom of light.

[Top Lobster]

I wonder if. If what they meant by mighty men here. I mean.

[Raven]

I don't know. I, I.

[Matt]

You're always overanalyzed. I love it. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Hey, kids.

[Top Lobster]

They're my. Dude. I don't know. They were, let me tell you, big, big dudes.

[Matt]

Oh, they could be.

[Raven]

How many cubits?

[Top Lobster]

How many cubits was they? How many fingers did they have? It doesn't doesn't say. But whatever, let's keep it.

[Matt]

All right?

[Top Lobster]

Keep your secrets.

[Matt]

It does say they had two rows of teeth.

[Raven]

Dude. What?

[Matt]

Kidding. I'm just kidding. I shouldn't do that. Okay. The flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, fell down, bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. Then Nebuchadnezzar, the king was astonished and rose up in haste and spake and said unto his counselors, didn't we throw three men bound into the midst of the fire. They answered, said to the king. True, O king. He answered and said, lo, I see four. I see four men loose walking in the midst of the fire. And they have no hurt. And the form of the fourth is like the son of God.

[Raven]

Dang, you look so stupid. Stupid.

[Matt]

Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace and spake and said, hey, Shatrak, Meshach and Abednego, you servants of the most high God, come forth and come here, dude.

[Raven]

I just imagine that he probably because he was like super tough only moments ago, right?

[Matt]

Massage was full of rage, right?

[Raven]

And then he's like, hey, guys, are.

[Matt]

You guys servants of the most high God? Over and over, it's like, where's the tough guy?

[Raven]

Well, why didn't you say so? I. You should have said that. I would have not thrown you into the first.

[Matt]

Over and over, man. These guys are like big dogs. And then God just puts them in their place.

[Raven]

This guy kind of sucks.

[Matt]

So Shadra, Meach and Abedigo came forth out of the midst of the fire. And the princes, governors and captains and the king's counselors, being gathered together, saw these men upon whose bodies the fire had no power, nor were their coats changed, nor the smell of fire had passed on them. Dang. Then Nebuchadnezzar spake and said, blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego.

[Top Lobster]

That's crazy. The smell of fire. The smell of fire wasn't even on them. So it's almost like they weren't even there. You know, it's all right. This is gonna snow globe.

[Raven]

Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

Snow globe effect. Yeah, I mean, you're thinking what I'm thinking.

[Raven]

I'm thinking something totally different.

[Matt]

All consuming fire number four got in there. Who's the all consuming fire? So this fire became completely irrelevant.

[Raven]

I'm just thinking that even if they were bald, people would still be like, yo, what? Like you're not dead, but yeah, you're bald. Which is.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I mean, you know, that's like.

[Matt]

They'Re in a different mode environment. Like they say that even Israel, when they came out of Egypt, for them to survive. Like I talk about the pillar of cloud and the pillar of fire. This fire let him by night and the cloud let him by day. They say that was even like a snow globe. Like there's no way they, they would have survived in that desert.

[Top Lobster]

Check this out.

[Matt]

It was a completely different atmosphere.

[Top Lobster]

We just spoke to A guy, Trey Hudson, and he does, like, this investigation in something called the meadow. And one of the things that they saw in this. It's just like an open expanse in this, like, wilderness. And I'm not going to say the name of the place, but they have, like, a night vision goggles, and three people. Three people walk in.

[Raven]

Oh, schnapps.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. So whatever they. They. On this open field of the meadow, they see a huge Cube that's like 25 by 25, and they think it's floating above. They have, like, video pictures of this. It's floating above the ground. And their people go to investigate. They can't see with their eyes, but they can see it infrared.

[Raven]

Skeptical. He looks so skeptical.

[Top Lobster]

This is what they're telling us.

[Matt]

No, no. I mean, there's weird things about cubes, bro. There's like, the Mac.

[Raven]

There's nothing weird about a cube.

[Top Lobster]

It's weird.

[Raven]

There is weird on this show.

[Top Lobster]

Anyway, they go in. Our Tony Merkel made a documentary. But they. They walk into this cube and they lose their heat sense. Like, they. They can't see them when they walk in, like, because they could see.

[Matt]

No way. So they can see the cube, but then when they walk in the cube, they can't see them anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And they kind of, like, go into a different place.

[Raven]

And then they get cancer.

[Top Lobster]

Well, two of them do, and two of them die. And the woman is still alive. But it's interesting because that place there has this, like, property of like, almost like a portal where they walk through it, that it happened to Trey Hudson. He was telling us he walked to them, too.

[Matt]

So what are you saying? That, like, Shadow, Meshach and Abednego were in a. Maybe potentially in a portal, some sort.

[Top Lobster]

Of a parallel thing that the technology that God is using is. It exists today?

[Raven]

Well, it's not technology. It's like he built this place so he can adjust the fundamental building blocks of this place.

[Top Lobster]

It sounds a lot like this, like, where people have walked into something and now they are there, but they are in a different place. You could see them.

[Raven]

Don't read what they're saying.

[Top Lobster]

Don't read what they're saying.

[Raven]

They're saying, do C, E5. These people are terrible.

[Top Lobster]

I just. I just think it's interesting that the guy walks into a field in America and there is the same type of phenomenon that exists there. It's like, well, what is that? But that's certainly what happened here. These dudes walked into something, and they're. Now they're in a different spot, but they're there. Geographical.

[Matt]

That's what I'm saying. The unseen realm is the real realm. Like, this realm was created. Created from that realm.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy.

[Matt]

So, like, whatever else is out there, that is the real realm.

[Raven]

So what did they do? They walked out of the fire and they opened him.

[Matt]

No, no.

[Top Lobster]

You got to be respectful.

[Raven]

Do you have to be respectful?

[Matt]

Let's just read it. Whose bodies? The fire had no power, nor was a hair of their head singed. Neither were their coach chained, nor the smell of the fire passed on them. Then Nebuchadnezzar spake and said, blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent his angel and delivered his servants that trusted him in him and have changed the king's word. That's the big deal. And yielded their bodies. That's a big deal, too. That they might not serve nor worship any God except their own God.

[Raven]

I love the capitalization in the lowercase there.

[Top Lobster]

There we go.

[Raven]

Boom, boom.

[Matt]

Therefore, I make a decree that every people, nation, and language would speak anything against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Is this crazy, bro? What against? Against Sharon, Michigan. Abednego shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill.

[Raven]

This guy kind of sucks.

[Matt]

No, because there is no. Wait till you get to the end with this guy, though.

[Top Lobster]

This dude. It feels like this dude's on meth.

[Raven]

It feels like all he wants to do is turn people's houses into piles.

[Top Lobster]

He's on what Hitler was on. You ever seen Hitler? Yeah, in the Olympics, bro.

[Matt]

Then he gets turned into a Sasquatch. Like, we haven't even got there.

[Raven]

A what?

[Matt]

He gets turned into a Sasquatch. Is it chapter.

[Raven]

Oh, oh, that's right. He does turn into a Sasquatch.

[Top Lobster]

That's right.

[Matt]

So, I mean, then he comes back. Like, then he comes. He gets his mind back.

[Raven]

I just like that.

[Matt]

This guy's a wild dude. This is. This is a really wild story to me.

[Raven]

It's. It's like a. It's almost like a comedy, just in the sense of, like, everything that he doesn't like. He's like, cut him into pieces. Reduce their house to a dung hill decree.

[Matt]

In that day, they're like, she.

[Raven]

She stole an apple. Cut her into pieces and turn her house into a dung hill. Like, everything.

[Top Lobster]

Like, I like the idea of making a comedy show about Nebuchadnezzar. And he's just, like, just off the handle.

[Raven]

A bumbling that just everybody gets.

[Matt]

I mean, world leaders, like, we're saying they do lose their mind a little. Imagine what happens if you're a human and you start thinking you're, like, comparable with God and you.

[Raven]

And.

[Matt]

And there's no bro. Like, imagine if you could do anything you want on the planet at any time.

[Top Lobster]

Look, look, Celebrity question.

[Raven]

RAW is asking. He's going, where are they getting all this? All this from? This is Daniel. What is this, 3:30? The Bible, sir. Let's see what the translation is, because I want to know. If they maintain this, then the king pro. Promoted. Okay, but that doesn't say the poop park. I want that.

[Matt]

No, we're talking about chapter three. Three, verse 29.

[Raven]

Chapter three, verse 39. That's right.

[Top Lobster]

Hold on, I got it. I'll put all for raw.

[Raven]

Oh, okay. So it says they will be torn limb from limb in their houses, will be turned into heaps of rubble.

[Top Lobster]

There is no other guy on the screen here as you can. Yeah, because. Yeah, Meshach and Abednego to pieces. And they're all like, the dung, dude.

[Raven]

Where is the dung coming from?

[Top Lobster]

Their houses shall be made a dung hill.

[Matt]

Oh, I see what he's saying now. Yeah.

[Raven]

He's like, where's the conversation? No, no. Well, I mean that.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

Could also be.

[Matt]

Fair point. Fair point.

[Raven]

No, Ron, I'm not doing that. I'm not making you look.

[Matt]

Oh, he's not like that.

[Raven]

Unbelievable.

[Matt]

No, it's coming from cattle farms and, like, chicken farms. Like, they. Like, they have farms with tons of dung they had to get rid of.

[Raven]

I will admit, though, it makes more sense to say, reduce their house to rubble than it is to say reduce it to rubble, then replace it with dumb.

[Matt]

Oh, it's like in Back to the Future. Remember when Biff. You would always have to.

[Raven]

No, I didn't watch because he started getting it, like, weird with his mom.

[Top Lobster]

Mom.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Raven]

And I. I was, like, trying.

[Top Lobster]

What did Biff do?

[Matt]

No, he would always end up with the. With the dung hill. Like, with the cow poop would always, like, in his car.

[Top Lobster]

Like, oh, yeah.

[Raven]

Huh? Biff is Donald Trump and he's a time traveler. Did you know?

[Matt]

I just, like, as soon as I said I was like, crap, they're gonna roast me for my age, dude.

[Raven]

No. Well, that's a very old thing of you to say.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, No, I mean, it's a movie that we should have watched. Well, I just don't remember it.

[Raven]

I would, like.

[Top Lobster]

There's people.

[Raven]

I would like to have on, because apparently it predicts 9, 11, and all kinds of.

[Matt]

Hold on. We gotta. We gotta wrap it up.

[Raven]

Me off.

[Matt]

Okay. Abednego shall be shut in pieces and their houses shall be made a dung hill because there is no other God that can deliver after this sort. Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego in the province of Babylon. So all I'm saying is like, those type of things that change everything, they don't happen unless you're willing to get thrown in the fiery furnace. Like, like none of this story happens where now the king is like declaring that the God is God. That was never going to happen if somebody didn't stand up and say, I don't throw me in the fiery furnace, bro. Do what you got to do.

[Raven]

I do like that these people are at the whim of this, this guy though, where he's just like. Like they did it.

[Matt]

They.

[Raven]

They changed his mind. God changed his mind. God showed him. Right, but still, then it's like back to this earthly realm where you're now at the mercy of this complete psychopath. This complete psychopath who's like, he's on your side right now.

[Top Lobster]

It's interesting too, to see how Daniel speaks with him. Cuz like, the guy clearly is like a bit of a psychopath.

[Raven]

But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Matt]

How Daniel speaks? Well, then that brings up another deployment. Daniel's not even in this story.

[Top Lobster]

He's not in the story, but like homies, the previous. Yeah, and, and, and how Daniel speaks with kings in general because he's like, he's like, I know these guys are crazy and they also think that they're God. But he's still kind of like, respectful. He knows how to get like he's on another level. Yeah, yeah, but he's like. Cuz he's. But he's on another level. But he also knows how to get from them. Because you could approach this real bad. Like when he went to him in general and he was like, listen, give me a day. That could have went sideways completely.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

So some way about like approaching this leadership.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Gotta have that. Otherwise.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Cutting the pieces in your house.

[Matt]

Yeah, but it's wild, isn't it wild? Daniel's not in the story.

[Raven]

That's.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Raven]

Only the homies. And let me tell you, you hear a lot about Daniel, but you don't hear much about Shadrach, Meshach and Ab.

[Matt]

No, you guys, you just haven't been in the circle for a long time.

[Raven]

Well, no, this Is actually my first time reading. Yeah.

[Matt]

People love these guys.

[Raven]

Shadrach me songs about him.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Is there.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Well, I just mean in the. In the greater dialogue. Like, I've not come out. Like, we do a show about the Bible. I don't know if you know this. I actually have my Bible open. Wow, this is good. Nancy likes it and says, no, you have to bring that closer. You sound like a whispering child.

[Top Lobster]

You're screaming.

[Raven]

Nancy wants us to do this every Sunday. That seems. That seems. That seems good.

[Top Lobster]

It seems untenable.

[Raven]

Untenable.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

Well. Well, Listen, it's been 2 hours and 40 minutes. Minutes.

[Matt]

Wait, is that the automatic stop time?

[Top Lobster]

That is.

[Raven]

No, that's usually.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's how long we can go.

[Raven]

What? Well, we don't pay for the full version of Stream Yard, so.

[Matt]

No. Look, can we say some stuff to the people that are not.

[Raven]

Yeah, let's. Let's address them.

[Top Lobster]

No, that wasn't allowed. We spoke about that.

[Raven]

Matt, do you want to talk to the people?

[Matt]

Yeah, let's talk to him, bro.

[Raven]

Okay, well, hold on. Do you think he should be allowed to wait?

[Matt]

Are you trying to shut it down right now?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no. But we'll wrap it up now.

[Raven]

But what do you want to tell.

[Top Lobster]

What do you want to tell the people?

[Raven]

Yeah, why don't you. You know, it's your show now. You tell us. Which one do you want us to click on, Matt?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, let's. We should go through.

[Matt]

No, no, I just want to make the point. Like, this story is about people who are willing to not compromise.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That's what this whole thing comes down to. We're going to get into, like, a lot of stuff. There's a lot of little sub stuff. But remember, Daniel purposed in his heart ahead of time. That's like the biggest thing here. He purposed in his heart ahead of time. He didn't sin in the small things. With food. What we would think of small things. And that made it more powerful as time went on. You had to start with. With the small things first. You have to purpose in your heart ahead of time to be faithful to God and just stay mindful of the smallest things that nobody sees. Especially the things that nobody sees, the things that people see. Then you get glory for it. Is it really for God or is it just some cool thing that makes you look cool? You have to be faithful in the smallest things. Purpose in your heart ahead of time, and then. Don't compromise with the world, man. The world is evil. The scripture is full of passages. Talk about how evil and wicked the world is. We can't act like the world's good. We can't even act like it's new neutral. We have to understand the world is evil and we stand against it no matter what it costs us.

[Raven]

The world is a vampire. Those guys aren't based anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think. Do you think that like. Like I said, the way he speaks with the king, is that. Is that a compromise at all or is that.

[Matt]

What do you mean?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, I mean, he.

[Raven]

No, he was like, dude, I'm not even worried, bro. That's what his homie said. They were like, I'm not even worried. Yeah, you gotta go.

[Top Lobster]

You gotta go.

[Raven]

You gotta get out of here.

[Top Lobster]

This is why I said we gotta wrap, because.

[Raven]

Unbelievable.

[Matt]

Wait, they just know it's dinner time.

[Top Lobster]

They know it's time for something.

[Raven]

It's time for feeding.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I have to feed them.

[Raven]

You gotta go. Who let them out of their cage?

[Top Lobster]

Unbelievable.

[Raven]

Three days.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. Goodbye. Yes, please.

[Matt]

So, wait, so the way that he came at the king, you're like, did he compromise coming at the king? No, no, man. This is the ruler of the most powerful empire on the planet. He's ruling the planet, basically. Like, we're that part of the planet. I mean, who knows what was going on in North America at the time? And I don't want to speculate, even though I know the raven does. But I'm just saying, like, he was the ruler of that entire territory, so he had to deal with them. Yeah, yeah, and God was dealing with him too, bro. Like, that's a big part of this too, that nobody likes to deal with. Like, Jesus. Even though the Pharisees were the most wicked creatures ever on the planet, it, like, Jesus was still trying to save them, like, in all of that.

[Raven]

Like.

[Matt]

Like Nebuchadnezzar. Yeah, he's wicked and evil. God's still trying to get across to Nebuchadnezzar. And I don't want to have a spoiler alert, but Nebuchadnezzar has one of the most incredible prophecies and beautiful words about God anywhere in the Bible.

[Raven]

Okay?

[Matt]

But you guys have seen him do the seesaw thing a couple times now. He's like, oh, yeah, yeah, you're gonna do what I tell you. Oh, man. No, your God's a real God.

[Raven]

Yeah, he's hot and he's cool.

[Matt]

Yeah, he's still doing that.

[Raven]

He's hot, he's cold.

[Matt]

I think when he comes comes back from the Sasquatch thing, He stays hot. I think if he, if he remains the way he is after that he's good chat.

[Raven]

Did you know that Nebuchadnezzar is a Sasquatch? Did you know he became a Sasquatch? I'd like to know what they think he became.

[Top Lobster]

Gibberine.

[Raven]

He became Sasquatch. That's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

That's very.

[Raven]

Well, at least we know we have meat left on the bone for next time.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, is an entire Bible.

[Raven]

Yes. You have to go, Matt. We have to bring it in for Atlanta because children are trying to infiltrate.

[Matt]

Yeah, no, that's real.

[Raven]

Yeah, it is real. That's. It's a real thing that's happening. Wait, wait. Somebody said something nice about it.

[Top Lobster]

There's a question they want to know. NDS will this be regular, A regular scheduled program? We hope. As long as Matt doesn't, you know, think I'm not going anywhere.

[Raven]

Well, as long as we have the finances, we have to pay Matt quite a bit of money to show up every time he shows up. So we say, wait, click on that one. That looks great. That looks like it's a NDS I don't think you know how amazing. Tip of the spear all this is. I grew up in a teaching church but never had this level of honesty. Love you guys. Guys. That's nice. People.

[Matt]

No, people say that all the time in Bible study. They say, how come I never heard this at church? Because you have like a one hour show, bro. How can you do that one day a week? You have one hour and a certain amount of. It's going to be announcements, the MCS to have a couple jokes. It's not like heaven and hell's at stake here. Let's tell a couple jokes. Then you have a couple songs and then there's like this little snippet of like some self help message that like. Yeah, how are you going to get the whole Bible?

[Raven]

Our church does 16 songs before it starts. 16 songs. And then they. And then they talk a little bit and then they do three more songs and then they talk some more.

[Matt]

It's tough. It's tough. Like this way of just reading the Bible and talking about it like this is the way to get to understand the Bible.

[Raven]

Are we invited to your personal Bible study? Yeah.

[Matt]

But then the most important one, the. I'll bet the Tuesday guys would love you guys, bro. But that's like far away. That's like you guys.

[Raven]

The Tuesday guys are different than the Thursday guys.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's right.

[Raven]

The Thursdays are the.

[Top Lobster]

He's got An A team Tuesday is.

[Matt]

Straight construction guys, which is why I was trying to hide you guys from. Because I just thought. I'm not saying you guys were soft. Wow.

[Raven]

You know, you're soft. I just. Wow, that's unbelievable.

[Matt]

With the construction guys on Tuesdays, bro. That's a good.

[Raven]

I was a fabricator for a decade.

[Matt]

No, we're in John's.

[Raven]

I have just burns on my inner thighs.

[Matt]

Okay. He always makes it weird, man. So that's just the truth. I'm.

[Top Lobster]

Remove the mic.

[Matt]

So we just wrapped up John, right? We finished John. But it's very vague at the end. Like at the crucifixion, it's very vague. So we just said, all right, next week we're going to go through Matthew, Mark, and Luke and just handled the crucifixion. Because there's. Wait. Because I just read the story where, like in Matthew, where Jesus dies and then all the graves open up and all the saints just start walking around in town and people see them, and everybody did that. They were like, wait, what? I was like, yeah, let's just go back through Matthew, Mark and Luke should read that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So, yeah, man, we should do that. Maybe after Daniel, we'll. We'll do that and read it.

[Matt]

Well, we can do whatever.

[Raven]

Yeah, but we have to finish Daniel now. I have to know how. He's a Sasquatch watching.

[Matt]

Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. We definitely got to finish this.

[Top Lobster]

All the saints walking around, bro.

[Matt]

Walking around. Pull it up. You have the thing to pull it up, right? Matthew 24.

[Top Lobster]

Is there a video? Let's see.

[Raven]

Scruffy von Winkle says Matt is the guest. Yeah. No, this is Matt's show. Matt is the host of Nephilim Death Squad. We are the guests.

[Matt]

Sorry to cut you off. No, it's your show. Go ahead.

[Raven]

No, no, no, that's fine.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Towards the end of the.

[Matt]

Chapter 27. I'm sorry, you want me to read it?

[Top Lobster]

Sure, bro.

[Matt]

Watch this. Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

[Top Lobster]

Remember what. What.

[Matt]

What's in Matthew 27? Starting in 50.

[Raven]

50.

[Matt]

Okay, 27. 50.

[Top Lobster]

Go ahead.

[Matt]

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, he yielded up the ghost. Nobody killed him. He gave his life. He was in charge the whole time. He wasn't a victim of anything. And behold, the veil of the temple was ripped in two from the top to the bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks ripped, and the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept, arose and came out of the graves after his resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared unto many.

[Top Lobster]

See, that's a part like that. They would just. They wouldn't even read that wouldn't be in a sermon. Because that's like, how is that not.

[Matt]

In a sermon, bro?

[Raven]

Then you have to explain it.

[Matt]

And they're like, that's why Joseph said, get my bones, dude. He said, when you all come out of here, Egypt, get my bones, yo.

[Raven]

Go get my bones.

[Matt]

The Messiah is coming one day and I know what's going to happen. And I want to be one of those guys that's walking around. I don't want to be in Egypt, like, get my bones. Yeah. Why did he say get my bones?

[Top Lobster]

What do you. So what if you're saying in. In the book of Enoc. Cuz I didn't read this part. They were fighting over Moses's bones.

[Matt]

That's in Jude.

[Top Lobster]

That's in Jude.

[Matt]

In Jude. Okay, well, Jude, we have to do that book because that's a gangster book, bro. I don't know. That is so relevant. Relevant to the. Yeah, verse nine. Jude only has one chapter, so it's one verse nine. Yet Michael the Archangel, when he contending with the devil, he disputed about the body of Moses, dare not bring against him a railing accusation, but said the Lord rebuke you.

[Top Lobster]

What the hell, man?

[Matt]

So Michael the Archangel, when contending with the devil, he disputed about the body of Moses. A tricky one too, because he's buried somewhere where nobody knows. Remember, God tells him, go up the mountain and die. So he like goes up the mountain, he has to reflect on his whole life. He gets to see the promised land, he doesn't get to go in. Yeah, and he's buried somewhere, but nobody knows where the tomb's at.

[Top Lobster]

This is. What are the guys, man, we had on Juan Shout Out Juan Ayala a long time ago, where they're talking about like stealing the skulls of like Geronimo, prophesying skulls? Yeah, this. Well, the skull and bones. Three, three, one. One people. Yeah, they're like three, two, two, three, two, two. Yeah, they'll. They'll like green grave rob and steal the bones of like important people.

[Matt]

Well, bro, there's wild stuff with bones. Like Elisha gets thrown in the tomb. And then when the Moabites went to war with them, they had to bury a guy, so they dropped him in the tomb. The dead guy touches Elisha's bones and comes back to life.

[Raven]

What's this about John the Baptist head speaking in tongues? The severed head of John the Baptist speaking in tongues?

[Matt]

No, no. Did somebody ask that?

[Raven]

No, it's something that I just have.

[Top Lobster]

Something he just made up, I guess.

[Matt]

Made it up.

[Raven]

Yeah, there's something about that.

[Top Lobster]

All right, listen.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Raven]

You know. Yeah, we're.

[Top Lobster]

We're like, we can't. We're skipping around on the Bible. We're gonna keep it focused for you.

[Raven]

Is that. We're gonna do.

[Matt]

I don't think it was a hybrid Bible study, so. Yeah, it has to kind of go off the rails a little bit. Straight Bible study?

[Raven]

Yeah. We don't want it to, but we have to. It has to.

[Top Lobster]

And people. People like Matt, people like this, they're. They're asking how many times this guy been on. They love it.

[Raven]

Is it second time?

[Top Lobster]

Second time.

[Matt]

He. He's.

[Raven]

He's.

[Matt]

I don't. Are you gonna come back for a third straight Bible? I just come on and talk about the Bible.

[Raven]

That's it. Easy.

[Matt]

And I'll do that anytime, anywhere.

[Top Lobster]

All right, There you go. Do it in front of 660.

[Raven]

Actually, it's more than that because on Rumble, there's probably a few hundred. So.

[Matt]

Yeah, what's the thing with. Like you guys said, YouTube is where all the people are at, but if you go to Rumble, there's like way more views of stuff.

[Raven]

There's a Rumble. Lies.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I mean, they. It's not that they just lie, but. No, like, they. They count their views slightly differently. So if anybody kind of like peruses it for like two, three minutes, it's a view you have to do more for to get a YouTube view. But also the larger sample sample portion is YouTube. Like, there's like billions of people on YouTube because it's just a more well known platform. So it's a larger pool to draw from.

[Raven]

YouTube is great for. For certain things. Like, I mean, you know how to videos and stuff like that. So it's still YouTube, still reigns.

[Matt]

Great, bro. I like how you did the video with the shot going that way and you have like the, like the little.

[Raven]

Yeah, my hair.

[Matt]

Go back. Go back to the.

[Raven]

My hair.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we got it. We got all this stuff.

[Raven]

Well, it depends on when. Not that. Not this one. Yeah.

[Matt]

And who changes the video?

[Raven]

Like Nancy.

[Top Lobster]

Nancy. Yeah, there's an Asian lady. She's about this big.

[Matt]

All the time is like changing the views on, like she's doing.

[Raven]

She's in the room with us now.

[Top Lobster]

Nancy. Nancy, change the video right now. There you go.

[Matt]

You go. Look at.

[Top Lobster]

Look at his hair. Look at the raven's hair.

[Raven]

Yeah, she's about this big wait.

[Matt]

So she just knows when we're coming on. Just jumps on starts like.

[Raven]

She's good.

[Top Lobster]

Guys, this has been another episode of Nephilim Desk Walk.

[Raven]

That's right.

[Top Lobster]

Thank you for showing up. That's Matt.

[Raven]

Nancy, what are you doing?

[Top Lobster]

The standard coffee shop? Yeah, I am Top lobster. This is.

[Matt]

No, not Elijah. Elisha. Ms. Anthorpe.

[Raven]

Oh, goodness.

[Matt]

I didn't say Elijah. I said Elisha.

[Raven]

Come on, Ms. Anthorp, don't try to mischaracterize.

[Matt]

He was taken up in a world wind of fire. But Elisha, who. His predecessor came behind him. He was buried. And it's a wild story because he actually dies of a sickness, which is very rare for a man of God. But anyway, his bones are down there. Somebody else's bones touch his. Somebody else. A dead man touches him, and then, boom, that guy comes back to life.

[Raven]

I like that sentence, though. Elisha had no bones. I just like it. Maybe he didn't.

[Top Lobster]

It's perfect.

[Matt]

I.

[Top Lobster]

All right, all right, let's bring this in, guys.

[Matt]

Sorry, bro.

[Top Lobster]

Any. Any parting wisdom for the people? Until next time, man.

[Matt]

Just read the Bible. Like, like every day. Read the Bible. That's it.

[Top Lobster]

That's it. Of course. All right, guys, we'll be back tomorrow with an episode, so.

[Raven]

Oh, my God.

[Top Lobster]

Don't forget to obey something.

[Raven]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

[Matt]

A tong box in the corner of the room.

[Raven]

It is constantly telling us what to believe.

[Matt]

Even Israel, you can persuade this that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, because they'll act in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

[Top Lobster]

And they have.