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The Book of Revelation Series Part XIV w/ Ed Mabrie
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Welcome back, Nephilim Death Squad family. In this episode, we continue our Revelation series with returning guest Ed Mabry, bringing profound insights into the mysteries of the Bible and the cosmos. This marks our 24th episode together, where we...
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Ryan Reynolds
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Top Lobsta
Hey there, Ryan Reynolds here. It's a new year and you know what that means. No, not the diet resolutions. A way for us all to try and do a little bit better than.
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Ed Maybry
We did last year.
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Top Lobsta
And my resolution, unlike big wireless, is to not be a raging and raise the price of wireless on you every chance I get.
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Ryan Reynolds
Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch $45 upfront payment required. Equivalent to $15 per month. New customers on first 3 month plan only. Taxes and fees, extra speed slower above 40 gigabytes on unlimited. See mintmobile.com for details. This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. You know when you're really stressed or not feeling so great about your life or about yourself, Talking to someone who understands can really help. But who is that person? How do you find them? Where do you even start Talkspace. Talkspace makes it easy to get the support you need. With Talkspace, you can go online, answer a few questions about your preferences, and be matched with a therapist. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You, you'll meet on your schedule wherever you feel most at ease. If you're depressed, stressed, struggling with a relationship, or if you want some counseling for you and your partner or just need a little extra one on one support, Talkspace is here for you. Plus, Talkspace works with most major insurers and most insured members have a $0 copay. No insurance, no problem. Now get $80 off of your first month with promo code SPACE80 when you go to talkspace.com match with a licensed therapist today at talkspace.com save $80 with code SPACE80@talk.com.
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Ed Maybry
Productions. We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.
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Raven
Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.
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Top Lobsta
It's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? And everybody's just walking around heading the clock Wanna wake up to a dead in the grave but then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slaves.
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Ed Maybry
Only some are aware that the government release.
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Top Lobsta
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. Today is Friday and we are getting back into our Revelation series. But before we do, guys, a couple of announcements. Don't forget to go over to top lopsa.com and check out our NDS merchandise as well as our new dangerous conceal and carry holster. We have joined forces, aligned ourselves with Snappy Holsters. It's a company that makes super dope tactical gear and we have come up with this awesome Dangerous Retards holster just for you guys. Go and check that out and tons of other Nephilim Death squad merch while you're on toplobster.com. also, don't forget, a great way to support the show is to go over to patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. Sign up for whatever tier you want. Get a little discount code off of merchandise from toplopster.com enjoy an ad free viewing experience and access to episodes before the general public. Otherwise, that's it, guys. No more business. We are welcoming back Ed Maybry. Well, this is the 24th episode, but really there's a couple other episodes. So, Ed, you're like the most prolific guest on Nephilim Death Squad. I think, honestly, we've had the pleasure of sitting down with you. Probably we're brushing like 30 times now, which is very cool.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Include some of the other stuff we did with. I think the first one we did was like the Speed of Light stuff. And you know, great episode.
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Top Lobsta
I almost. I almost recommend that people if you're just getting into the Revelation series, maybe find the Speed of Light episode first that we did with Ed.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
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Top Lobsta
And then work your way into the Revelation series because I think it all plays together so nicely. But Ed, before we get started, just let everybody know where they can find your work.
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Ed Maybry
You can find me the, the top place to find me is my website, faithbyreason.net. that's where all the stuff I've been doing for years and years. It is currently. But I would also highly recommend you check out my Patreon. I just started the Patreon earlier this month. I'm getting great responses from your, the listeners here and from elsewhere that I've been advertising on. In fact. So on that on the Patreon you get for the, for the five dollar tier, the red tier, you, you get stuff. As soon as I release content, I'm releasing it weekly now making, I'm keeping myself on a schedule. You, you get it before everyone else. If there's actually something that's coming out next week. I dropped a, an episode earlier this week, some bonus content because you get bonus exclusive stuff. So I did a bonus content on how to tell false prophets because there's so many people out there now, you know, saying that they're prophets and giving their prophetic word for, for 2025 and you know, putting their theories out there about the end times. And I get a lot of requests from folks about to comment on things like you know, like the little season like Messiah 2030. I did videos on those but, and I'll continue to do them as I get requests for them. But I thought it was really important to maybe give you guys the rules so that you can look at it yourself and I can, you know, give the, take the guidance that I give and evaluate everything on your own. So that, that dropped for my Patreons and also the Q and A's. I, I, you know, put out a weekly answer to your questions and if you go up a tier to the red tier, I'm sure the blue tier you get all that. Plus you are also will be a part of the monthly Bible study called Jehovah's Story. And it's where we look at the Bible throughout. We go through it in a year, once a month we have the, the third Sunday of every month is when we have our session. It's an hour, half an hour of review, then another half of Q and half hour of Q A and we look at the Bible from the supernatural point of view, which, so that's how we can get through it in a year because really focus on that stuff and not as much on what's going on in the realm of man, the Israelite kings and all that we touch on it, but we really look at what's going on behind the scenes with God, with the Elohim realm.
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Top Lobsta
And we say, Ed, that yeah, I know we mentioned it last episode, but I'm really excited for the Bible study. I've been looking for a good one and now that I know that you've got one and it's Also starting over February 16th, I believe is when you say that you're going to start from the beginning, this Bible in the year. So I'm going to be there. I'm sure Top's going to be there. I've already wrangled even my wife and son. So we're looking forward to Bible studies with Ed Mabry the third Sunday of every month. I hope that the fans of the show, all the dangerous out there will join us in the uh, you know, in this experience so very much.
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Ed Maybry
I've got a lot of signups from, from folks from, from, from the, from the dangerous retards for MDs. So I appreciate that. Gu. Sign up now because the, the notes, I'm putting out weekly notes, you know, so because there's so much information obviously to get through and we're only doing one of these a month. So every week you're going to get some information, the notes just to get you ready to go. And the notes are probably going to be stuff I'm not going to have time to focus on, but it's things that are really important for you to know. So starting next week, everyone who signed up for it will start getting those weekly notes and yeah, you get those all throughout.
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Raven
Awesome. And I see you're. You dropped part three of the Genesis series, so I am looking forward to listening to that on audio. I'll probably, I probably listen.
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Ed Maybry
Patreon's got a week early, so I dropped it a week before for the Patreons and I and it went public this week.
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Raven
Very awesome.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah. Faithbyreason.net and, and your Patreon, Ed. These are great resources for people and something that I mean as far as faith by reason goes, you've been fleshing that out for so long now. So when I say it's a great resource for people that are trying to understand the biblical narrative, get closer to God and you know, build a community that patreon and, and faithbyreason.net are great tools for doing those things. So really cool to see you fleshing it out.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, thanks. Yeah. And I've been getting people signing up for the Patreon, like, almost daily. So I thank you, you know, for your interest in being a part of it. And yes, it's the best place to do. I'll probably start putting some of the older stuff I have on faithbyreason.net behind. Behind a paywall. Not because I want to make it harder to get, but because I. My website, I really need to do some work on it. I need to get a new web host. My web host right now sucks. And I need to do some things. And so I, I want to put it someplace where I know it's going to be safe for a while as I, you know, start working, reworking my website.
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Top Lobsta
Well, in the meantime, Ed, let's get into this episode. Where are we going today? I know we talked a little bit beforehand and apparently some, some ideas we might express here today might ruffle some feathers. So. So where are we going?
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Ed Maybry
So we are going. Last time we looked at the, the physical New Jerusalem, we read through revelation, chapter, chapter 21 and a little bit of 22, which really talked about the, you know, the new heavens and the new earth, the new city of Jerusalem. And one of the things we talked about was the fact that the Bible makes it the new Jerusalem heaven. Kind of vague. You know, it paints with a very broad brush. No, we'll be happy. There'll be joy and we'll be in the presence of God and we'll worship him and there'll be, you know, be happiness forever and so forth and so on. That sounds nice, but eternity, what are we going to be doing? And we discussed the reason. Possibly the reason that we don't get as much detail is the same reason, you know, if you're, if you're a young child, and we all have young, young children, if they ask you, hey, how are babies made? You're not going to give them all the vivid details because they can't handle it. What you're going to say, you know, mommy and Daddy love each other, and then a baby starts growing in mommy's belly and then it pops out. Well, that's all technically true, but again, it's. It's a broad brush. You're not going to sit them down in front of like, you know, explicit videos. Okay, here's what happens first. You know, blood flows here and you insert here.
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Top Lobsta
And I'm taking notes on that. That's a good one. A man and a Woman love each other. And then a baby is born. That's where I'm. Because my son has been coming in and you know, I know he thinks it's funny, he must have saw it on a cartoon or something. But he'll just walk up to me, stand there and go, how are babies made? And I'll go, we'll talk just in a minute, please just, we'll talk about it in a minute. Can you just go? Let me finish what I'm doing here. And then the whole time I'm thinking like, how the hell do I explain this to him? So I'm going to start with that. A man and a woman love each other and then a baby starts to develop in the woman's tummy, right?
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Ed Maybry
And so that's what I told my 8 year old. And he was, okay, I got it. Because in the game he couldn't handle it. It would be, I mean, it would be dangerous for him. We talked last time about, you know, the first time I was exposed to pornography was by accident. I just saw a, you know, a loose, a loose piece of, of a hustler magazine that happened to blow into the yard and just, I can still see it. So that it was damaging. So my point is that God's not going to reveal anything to us that we're not ready for and that might be actually harmful. So what, what things might actually be like in eternity? Knowing it now, if we're not ready for it, it would hurt us that he's not going to do that. That said, I think the more mature you are, I think the more God is willing to reveal to you. There's a passage and I meant to look it up before I came on, but I, I was scrambling just to, to get here on time, roughly. But there's the, the verse, I forget which one of Paul's epistles it's in, where Paul talks about how he was taken to the third heaven, which is, you know, the, the heavens where God dwells. And the first heaven is like the sky. The second heaven is either outer space or the spiritual realm where the fallen angels are. They're like the third heaven is, is where God dwells. He said he was taken to the third heaven and he saw things that were unlawful for him to reveal. So. But Paul was obviously extremely mature. He's maybe the most mature Christian ever. So God was willing to show him certain things. But he says, I can't even talk about this stuff because it's just, it's beyond. Okay, yeah, there we go.
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Raven
Second corinthians.
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Ed Maybry
Second Corinthians. I thought it might be Corinthians, but I didn't want to. I didn't want to be wrong on the air. So the point is that God is. Everyone can read the Bible, everyone can read about what the Bible says, but not everyone's ready for it. So what I, what we're going to talk about today is going to be pretty theoretical. And there's some biblical basis for a lot of it, but there's also some that's just deductive reasoning on my part, which could be completely wrong and some people might not be able to handle it. And if you can't, then don't, I mean, don't worry about it because as I said, as I'm telling you now, as I said, what I'm going to be revealing or talking about is, are my opinions and my theories. But I think there's some parts of it that we can trace directly to the Bible. Other things are going to be, yeah, well, we'll see. But it's just me doing some deductive reasoning. We'll get to that.
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Ryan Reynolds
This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. You know, when you're really stressed or not feeling so great about your life or about yourself, talking to someone who understands can really help. But who is that person? How do you find them? Where do you even start? Talkspace. Talkspace makes it easy to get the support you need. With Talkspace, you can go online, answer a few questions about your preferences, and be matched with a therapist. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You'll meet on your schedule wherever you feel most at ease. If you're depressed, stressed, struggling with a relationship, or if you want some counseling for you and your partner or just need a little extra one on one support, Talkspace is here for you. Plus, Talkspace works with most major insurers and most insured members. Have a $0 copay. No insurance, no problem. Now get $80 off of your first month with promo code space80 when you go to talkspace.com match with a licensed therapist today at talkspace.com save $80 with code space80@talkspace.com stay warm and save every day.
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Ed Maybry
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Top Lobsta
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Ed Maybry
So where I wanted to start was actually a revelation, no pun intended, that I think I got earlier this week when I was thinking about eternity. And I know it's tough for us to wrap our minds around us being in linear time. We see past, present, future. You, you can only move. It only goes in one direction. You know, you can't go back to the past. You can't go back, you can't go forward into the future. You're, you know, you're in the present and, you know, we go in that one direction and, and thinking of eternity, an area where time is, is different and, and the sequence of events don't happen the way we're used to, that's, that's tough for us. And you know, I gave the, the analogy of a story when we, when we studied Revelation chapter 12. And in. Because, and that's. I thought I, I proposed that that's how God sees time. Is everything happening all at once, everything in the process of happening, like a story. You know, you think about your favorite movie or your favorite book, you can, you can go in and you can see the sequence of events, but you see the whole story at once. But I, I was talking to, to, to. To John Linhart, our, my friend, our mutual, mutual guest on the show about this. And another area that I think we all experience on a regular basis that I think gives us a lot of insight into eternity are dreams. Think about what your dreams are like. You're. When you're dreaming about something, everything is happening at once. And there's no, there's no time scale. You're. You're in one place and then you're in another place, you know, because I, I had a dream actually last night that my wife and I were at a hotel. We were in, we visited Hawaii last year. We were in that hotel. And then we're talking and then I, I turn around and I'm in my backyard barbecuing. And then my son is there and I'm talking to my son about something. And then my high school teacher, my high school history teacher, I'm talking to him. And it's, and it's. Nothing is, is odd about it. I'm just, you know, you and your dream, everything seems normal. Even though all these crazy things are happening, you're outside of time and space. There's no linear time happening in your dream. There's no scale. Things can be big or small. It doesn' Everything is happening at once, but it's also a sequence. So if you think about what it's like when you're dreaming, you are in the present, but there are all kinds of things happening and you're transversing all these different areas. You trans because time and space are meaningless there because it's in your unconscious mind, because most you dream and you're unconscious, you're not obviously you're not conscious and your unconscious mind has no concept of time and space. Everything is happening in the now, in your unconscious. So that is, I think it's another way to maybe visualize what eternity is going to be like. Not a long, long time of thousands, millions of years, but just everything in the process of happening, just like when you dream. And that could be one of the reasons why when God recreated the Earth, which we talk about in Genesis, which I'll be getting to in the Genesis series, you know, why is there, why is there night on our current Earth but there won't be night in the new Jerusalem, which we talked about last week, probably because we won't, we won't need to dream. Maybe those dreams are got, are, is our, our connection to eternity. So every night we get an idea of what eternity is going to be like. But when we're in eternity we don't need a facsimile so we won't need to sleep and dream because we'll be experiencing it.
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Raven
It's, it goes to that the idea of, well, what are, what are these other realms? And I suppose sleeping can, can transpose you. Dreaming sometimes can transpose you into another realm. A couple of questions like there's.
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Ed Maybry
By the way, I apologize if you hear if there's no ways in the background there's a guy across the street having his tree cut down. So it's.
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Raven
Oh, it's okay.
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Ed Maybry
I don't know if you can hear it, but it's loud for me.
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Raven
So there's a, like there's, there are people that have astral projected or yeah, I guess astral projected would be the correct term. And the realm that they go into, they've mentioned being always dark, like never really light. Do you, do you remember this? And there's a couple of people from Merkel show. They'll, they'll mess around, go into this realm and they, they describe it as like a, like a sepia toned kind of like walking Dead always, but always darker. They've never been there during the daytime. It's always nighttime whenever they go, the way they move around is slightly different. So I guess when you're. We're talking about eternity, it would seem more like that realm rather than this physical realm. And I don't.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah, things do get confusing in, in that regard because a lot of the speculation that I have on like different realms comes from people's testimony. And you have to take it with like a grain of salt. But if you start to entertain the idea, like, what if this is actually something that this person has experienced? And also there's the problem of when patterns start to emerge from one testimony to another. And so, yeah, tops. Right. One of the things that we've been hearing a lot of is like, people will go to, honestly, I know it sounds ridiculous on its face, but this, this realm that's akin to the upside down from Stranger Things, right. So it's like, you know, that's one of the places people can apparently visit. It's not like hundreds of testimonies of a place that bears resemblance to some place you're familiar with. But something is uncanny and off and it's void of, of life. There's no people walking around. There's no traffic. There's no. Barely any sound either. There's no sound of birds, no sound of bugs, no sound of wind.
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Raven
Sometimes there is like, there's other testimony of people saying, yeah, there was people there. And like, either they didn't notice me or they kind of were aware of me but didn't really care, wasn't paying attention. I think that there are layers of realms and we are in one of them. This idea of eternity in heaven is one that people cannot access, yet it is completely locked. But I think the idea of it for at least what we hear in the supernatural community, people should be more familiar with just the idea of what this might be rather than, you know, if you're thinking physically what we see here, yeah, it's going to. It'll probably have some characteristics, but it's not going to be the same. What these other people have experienced, you know, near death experiences, things like this when they go to these parallel dimensions or realms or whatever. I feel like it's going to be a lot more like that. So some of the things that you're probably going to theorize here, we might just agree with you and you might be like, these guys are crazy. I thought this was crazy because throughout.
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Top Lobsta
This too, like, I know we've, we've been really saturated with the idea of the multiverse.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
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Top Lobsta
And that's in Big part. I mean, it's always been a theory, but it was popularized by Marvel, and once Marvel did it, you could see it, like, echoed everywhere in, like, children's shows and everything. I'm not too keen on the idea of the multiverse, like, this idea that there's. There's an infinite number of realities where, you know, you deviate from one small decision or another. Yeah.
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Ed Maybry
Every decision you make is a different universe.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah, I'm like, I don't. That doesn't resonate with me. What resonates with me is what people are saying. People that are hesitant to share their stories, people that are embarrassed to share these stories, but people that are also relieved to have an outlet, like a show like Tony Merkel's or something like that, to be able to say these things. It gives me this air of, like, this is a genuine person. And so I'm willing to listen to them. And all of a sudden, patterns emerge, and I don't get the multiverse from these people. I get other strange things, but not that. So I just want to, like, put that out there.
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Raven
Like, stuff like, it's all here, but they're layered on top of each other. We're not. We're perceptive of possibly like, these. It's very strange. I don't know what to exactly make of it, but, yeah, the multiverse, I think, is nonsense. I don't think we can change timelines, per se. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
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Top Lobsta
That's the other thing, too. The multiverse and the timeline thing. They. I'm like, I. It's just not what I'm getting from people. Yeah, I hear you get things, but not that.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, I hear a lot of people talk about. Especially when you get into the world of, like, manifestation and things like that. They talk about quantum jumping, where you basically jump into this other realm where you are everything you wanted to be. You imagine yourself as successful and all these things that you want and you. And if you do the right practice, you can actually jump into that realm or bring that realm to you or. Yeah, whatever. But the point is, I think what. What is. You may be talking about or what they may be talking about are different dimensions. The multiverse thing. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not buying that infinite dimensions things, because, I mean, that's. That's odd. But different dimensions are. Are something that's actually scientific. They. The scientists basically agree. Physicists agree that we live in, like, 10 dimensions, you know, four of them. We can. We experience, you know, height Height, width, depth, and time. Those are, those are the four dimensions that we can, that we can feel and measure. But then there's There are other, no, another, excuse me, six dimensions that if you talk to a classical physicist, they'll say that, you know, these dimensions, they're, they're curled to within less than a Planck's length, so we can only infer them. And then we're talking about the strong and weak nuclear force. Like the, the strong nuclear force is what keeps the, the protons in an atom from, you know, because all the protons are possibly charged, they should repel each other, but the protons. Say the strong nuclear force keeps the protons in a nucleus. And the weak nuclear force is what keeps the electron, which should collapse into. Because electron is negative, protons are positive. So the electron should go and just like collapse into the proton, but the weak nuclear force keeps it orbiting. Then you have electromagnetism and gravity and some other things. But then there are folks who are into string theory, and that's where you get into the folks that say these higher dimensions, these, these higher dimensions are actually possibility dimensions. Like the fifth dimension is the ability to see different types of possibilities or in different types of world stacked on top of ours. So it could be that if these people you're talking about get into a state where they can experience a higher dimension, maybe there's. There they open their eyes and they see, you know, a new dimension on top of ours that looks different, but, but they can really only perceive the three dimensions.
- [25:23]
Ryan Reynolds
This podcast is sponsored by Talkspace. You know, when you're really stressed or not feeling so great about your life or about yourself, talking to someone who understands can really help. But who is that person? How do you find them? Where do you even start? Talkspace. Talkspace makes it easy to get the support you need. With Talkspace, you can go online, answer a few questions about your preferences, and be matched with a therapist. And because you'll meet your therapist online, you don't have to take time off work or arrange childcare. You'll meet on your schedule wherever you feel most at ease. If you're depressed, stressed, struggling with a relationship, or if you want some counseling for you and your partner or just need a little extra one on one support, Talkspace is here for you. Plus, Talkspace works with most major insurers and most insured members have a $0 copay. No insurance, no problem. Now get $80 off of your first month with promo code space80 when you go to talkspace.com match with a licensed therapist today at talkspace.com save $80 with code space80@talkspace.com stay warm and save every day.
- [26:25]
Top Lobsta
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Ed Maybry
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Top Lobsta
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Ed Maybry
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- [26:42]
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- [26:53]
Ed Maybry
Of so there and I get into this by the way and next week I'm dropping for my Patreons a bonus episode on Angels and what the what Angels are Like and one of the things I say is that angels would have to occupy at least 11 dimensions because they are above our physical so they have to experience all ten of the dimensions that we can experience, plus at least one more because they're in the spiritual realm realm, which means that they have perceptions that are so far beyond ours. We gave the, I think I gave the example either last week or the week before about, you know, what we'll be able to see and experience when we're in the in the eternal realm because we'll have, you know, these resurrected bodies. And you know, the best way to kind of visualize what a higher dimension is like is is under is to visualize what it would be like to go from a lower dimension to a higher one. So we talked about video games. Like, you know, when I was growing up in the 80s, you know, we had the two dimensional video games. They can only go back and forth, up and down. But today you have these three dimensional video games. You can do things that are so far beyond, you know, Call of Duty or whatever the latest video game is. But you can like hide around corners, you can go into houses and when you're playing Pac man and Donkey Kong back in my days there was no going behind anything. There's only two dimensions you could so the it was a, it was a flat world. Whereas the new video games, it's like our world. You can go anywhere and it's all so so the so just going up one dimension is just spectacularly more intense and rich. Imagine going up even more dimensions. So these angels Elohim is actually what they really are. Angels, Angels Angolos means messenger. But these Elohim, if they occupy 11 dimensions, they're so far beyond us. And but, but, but, but if you, when you're, when you're in the spiritual realm, you'll be able to experience more higher dimensions. So if the people who you've been talking to are able to experience higher dimensions, maybe that's what they're seeing. They're just seeing, you know, a dimension on top of ours and it's just so different, so wildly different. It's as different as a two dimensional being coming into our world. And like, I don't get what I'm seeing. Which is why when you would see people in the Bible, like, like Daniel, like Isaiah, like Ezekiel, when they're describing what they see is the angels, it doesn't make sense. Like Ezekiel says, you guys saw wheels within wheels covered in eyes. Well, again, that's a person who can only see three dimensions. Trying to describe an 11 dimensional being. When you see the, the cherubim who have, you know, bodies like bulls, faces like a man or eagle or a lion, and they seem to be shifting all the way around. Well that's, that's an 11 dimensional creature. He's seeing, you know, the seraphim, these, you know, winged serpents who are flying around who are always saying holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty. But they're still doing other stuff. So they, in a dimension where they can spend all their time praising God, but then all their time doing other things while at the same time being a guardian over certain parts of the earth. Because again, they're in a higher dimensional area, which is how, you know, God, who will be, who would occupy the highest dimension, he can be omnipresent, that's how he can be with us at all times. Because I mean, I'll say one more thing and I'll let you guys talk. If here's another representative of a two dimension, two dimensional world and how a three dimensional person would interact with them. Take a piece of paper that would be a flat two dimension, draw a couple of people on it, draw two stick figures on it, make them separate. They can't touch each other, but I can touch each one of them at the same. I could put a finger on one or a finger on the other one so I can be closer to them than they could ever be to each other. Because I occupy a higher dimension so I can interact with them in the ways they can't interact with each other. So the same thing with spiritual beings, with the angels and with Jehovah. So bringing it all back, I think these people might be, given that you've been talking to, have been somehow given insight briefly into Higher dimensions. And it's. Yeah, it's going to look different than ours. It's going to be. It's going to be nuts.
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Raven
It's interesting, though, that when. When it seems that they have to come down to our realm. So we have the Prince of Persia story where the angel was delayed for 21 days. Yeah, yeah. Three weeks. That, you know, if. If he could travel space and time in a different dimension, he could just pop wherever he wants. But, no, not the case. It. He's. It seemed like he was in this dimension and slowed up because he had to physically travel in this dimension somewhere. So the rules are crazy. I don't understand them.
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Ed Maybry
Exactly. Yeah.
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Top Lobsta
They're probably not pumped when they have to come here. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if. If you are occupying this and then you go to such a restrictive realm where, like, all of a sudden. Yeah. You have to travel one way or another across giant swaths of land.
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Raven
Used to drive truck for the mta. And every so often, they'd be like, need you on the tracks. And then I got to put my helmet on and I got to walk the tracks, and I was like, this blows. And you don't want to be here.
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Top Lobsta
Into the tracks.
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Raven
You know, into the tracks. Yeah.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah. I don't think that when an angel materializes here or. Or comes down to our level, he's like, this sucks. I want to get back to, you know, where I. Me and I've got to be in this flesh suit because, you know, they come down, they. They interact like they're. They're. They're called men in the Bible when they come down. So they have some facsimile of flesh. They eat and drink. And obviously we know from. From the Genesis 6 that they have intercourse, so they probably like that part, but the rest of it, there's a.
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Top Lobsta
Lot of things that we're seeing lately that are popping up in sort of the. The UAP space, which, you know, is this tremendous deception, that narrative on its own. But the variation in. In things that appear, oftentimes it'll seem like living light. And I'm just like. You know, that just strikes me as our inability to perceive, like, it has to take a form when it gets here. It doesn't make a lot of sense to us. We can only perceive so many things at once, but it's more than that. So it comes off as, like, this odulating, pulsing, you know, ball of light with, like, sometimes people are discerning faces in these orbs and stuff like that. It's like, yeah, probably aspects of a form that's too complicated to inhabit this realm. So we're only catching glimpses of it and it really just looks like odulating light chaos.
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Ed Maybry
Well, that's what. I think we may have talked about this before, but I know I talked about it in, in the first couple episodes of the Genesis series is that, you know, the spiritual realm, especially at just in. In episode two of the Genesis series, the spiritual realm is all light. That's because that's where God occupies and that's probably all we'd see is like blinding white light. And. But within that, if you were able to perceive more, then you could see this more complicated things happening, going, going on there. But yeah, it's a realm of, of just light, of energy. And you know, the seraphim. Well, actually we. In the Book of Hebrews, I think in the first chapter, it basically says that the, the spirit. That the angels are made of fire. And I go, I go over this in the, in. In the. In the angel bonus episode that's going to be up next week, that these are beings that are. That says are made out of fire. What does that mean?
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Top Lobsta
What's interesting is one of the people that we communicate with, somebody who said their own strange testimony interacts with entities and such, described one of them as being blue. And he used to just say being blue. But then once you press him a little bit more, like tell us the details about it, he struggles, but it's like kind of like electric fire. It kind of sounds like he's describing plasma to me, but he's just not sure how to describe it. But whatever this thing is, it's like made of blue fire. I'm like, okay, that's interesting. You know, so I'm just this idea of beings made of light. And then you look over to the Vedic, you know, mythos and their pantheon are almost all blue.
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Ed Maybry
Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, good point.
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Top Lobsta
There's some sort of correlation there, some sort of overlap, I think. But yeah, that, that perceiving it as. As like living fire is. Yeah, that was one of the things. It's kind of like these emotions in this, in this film.
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Raven
Have you ever seen this movie?
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, yeah, I watched it with my kids. Yeah, they. It was pretty good. I didn't see the second one. I saw the first one.
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Raven
Yeah, it's a cool movie. But if you pay attention to the character design, when they close up on the, on these characters, there's constantly like a matter coming off and like on and off of them, they're not particularly solid. And this is what this guy describes it as, this blue guy, but he's got this sun, like, you know, tongues of fire, like licks of something coming off of them that is also blue.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, it's tough. Me. Yeah. You have a people. We can only perceive our three dimensions and we're trying to describe multi dimensional entities. It's. I mean, it's.
- [35:22]
Top Lobsta
The gin are described as smokeless fire.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah. I mean, and look in your book of Revelation also, if we've been covering this, like, you know, the Apostle John's like, I'm doing the best I can to describe this stuff. Even last week when we were describing the new Jerusalem, he's like, man, I. Okay, it's a big old city. It's 1500 miles all over. And it's all these foundations and it's clear like crystal, but it's gold.
- [35:44]
Raven
And.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's a lot.
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Raven
Quick question, Ed. Do you know, I mean, there's probably no biblical precedents, but are there like new angels or are they just the same ones? Like if a. A third fell, is it just like the same 2/3 that are still there? Like, maybe more.
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Ed Maybry
I believe that there's. It's going to be that he didn't make any new angels after the first. And, and the reason for that, and we'll get to this in the Genesis series, on the seventh day, it said, when he said, and he says got rested, it wasn't because, you know, he was like tired. What that word actually means. He means he ceased his activities of being the first. Cause he was done creating. And he turned that over to humanity. He said, you guys, I'm giving. You're a made in my image. You can go create now. I'm done. I've done all the creating I'm going to do. And it's up to you. So the, so the next thing that he creates is a new heaven and the new Earth. He doesn't create anything after that. From Genesis 3 all the way to Revelation 21, God doesn't, does not create anything new.
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Top Lobsta
That's interesting because I read a testimony one time from somebody who also had like this entity that they were communicating with. And you know, I believe that they were having these experiences, but the nature of what the entity was telling them is always up for questions. Right. Because these things, there are spirits that deceive.
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Ed Maybry
Yep.
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Top Lobsta
But it did tell him something interesting. It said that karma is a real system, but God commissioned the angels to build it. And because God didn't build it, it's not perfect. And because it's not perfect, over time it degraded and has become a bit of a show. And I just thought that that was interesting to say it all, you know what I mean?
- [37:27]
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- [38:31]
Top Lobsta
New age system, but it's not really new age, it's old age. Right. This is, this comes from a lot of like, you know, I think the Vedics have a karmic system and so do the Egyptians have a karmic system and stuff. And so I look at it and I go like, I don't, I, I don't necessarily know what it is, is, but I do recognize that all these ancient civilizations claim that it existed. And then for this thing to then tell him, oh yeah, it exists, but God didn't make it. He commissioned the angels to make it. So it's not perfect and it's falling apart actively right now. And because of that there's like this big, I don't know, kind of, it's, it's in chaos right now and all the things that it's supposed to, you know, you get one energy in, you put another energy out. That's kind of karma. Yeah, there's some delays and there's some hiccups and there's some broken apparatus there.
- [39:19]
Ed Maybry
The way I've always understood karma and just a very, in superficial sense, it's, it's like justice. And, and justice is, is a part of God's nature. God is always a completely right and just that is his nature. And I, I go over that in, in the second part of the Genesis series, which is available for everyone and everything else is in effect of that, the cause is God. It's 100 right and 100 just karma. If it's. There's another system on top of that is, I assume maybe it's, if this person is right, I'll try to prove them right. I don't know, but it would, it would have to be based on the system of justice where, where Jehovah would have said to the, the angels, the Elohim's, okay, the foundation is justice. Come up with a system for it, for it to be executed. That's theoretically possible. Because one of the things I talk about in the angel series is that there's evidence throughout the Bible that God enjoys sharing his authority.
- [40:12]
Top Lobsta
Yes.
- [40:13]
Ed Maybry
You know, there's the divine council, which I was Introduced to by Dr. Michael Heiser, one of my mentors, that, you know, we see it in The Book of First Kings, chapter 22, I believe, where you have this, the story of how a prophet was taken into the heavens and he saw the divine council where God was said, you know, Ahab, who was the evil king, he said, it's time for Ahab to go. We're going to get rid of this guy. How should we do it? And his council said, and he said he saw one spirit say one thing, another. We talked about this before. One spirit said one thing, another spirit said another. And then one said, you know, I'll, I'll do this thing. And God said, oh, good idea. Let's make that happen. So it's not because God didn't have his own ideas. He's like, I want to share, I want to share it with you. You know, you guys let me know what your ideas.
- [40:54]
Top Lobsta
Yeah, the idea of like this karmic thing being created by angels or commissioned by God, you know, to be created by angels, I kind of go like, well, that doesn't not jive. Because God does seem to take into consideration a lot of the opinions and plans of his creation.
- [41:09]
Ed Maybry
Yeah, he does. And he put them over certain parts of creation. Adam and Eve were, you know, were the representatives of Earth. They got to, hey, earth is yours. Do it. So he didn't make him. He didn't, like, he didn't have any dictatorial commands. He just said, you know, do what you want to do in the earth. You know, as Long as what you're going to do is good, then it'll be fine. And that's, I guess that kind of brings us back to what we're going to talk about. So that's a good segue. So about what we're going to be doing for eternity. And you know, the overarching thing about eternity, about the new Jerusalem and the new Earth, is that it's bringing back Eden. I said before that revelation shows everyone gets what they want and what, including God. God gets what he wants. And what he wanted from the beginning was for human beings to humanity to occupy this physical realm and to make it like Eden so he could hang out with us. That's what he wanted and he's going to get that. So that's what we'll be doing is making the new Earth an Eden will have authority on it. And we, I think we talked before about some people being over cities and over nations and that those nations will be, will be different because I think because all of us are different and people in certain nations in the, in eternity will have different needs. And we kind of hypothesize that there will be different maturity levels. So maybe someone will be over a nation of people who, you know, were maybe, maybe pretty young in Christ and they need to learn more. But then there'll be someone over nations who, where people are more mature and they, and they have different needs. So what I would say to people individually, what will you be doing individually? It's going to be all about your uniqueness. Whatever your uniqueness is, that's who you are. That's what you'll be. That's what you'll spend eternity doing. You'll be doing the thing that you are uniquely designed to do. That. And if you want to hint about that, look in your own life and think about something you could do forever without ever getting tired of it. And that brings value to others because that's what you'll be doing. We'll be interacting with each other in our uniqueness and bringing that to each other. And that's how we continue to grow. And we'll. And as we, I think we touched on it two episodes ago. So basically, you take the thing you love, you interact with someone and you get the same from them. So you're bringing value to others, they're bringing value to you. And when, let's say, for example, I'm interacting with, with Raven in heaven and he's used, he used his uniqueness and he. I learned something from him or I gained some value from him. Now I have my uniqueness, and I have what I've just gained from him. So now I'm. I'm gonna say I'm a different person, but now I have more. Now I can go to Top and say, hey, Top, I've got everything that I am. I've got something I got from Raven. I've combined that and made something new out of it. I can share that with you now. And that can. That can literally go on forever, because now you have something for me, something from. From Raven through me that's unique from what Raven gave to me. Me. And I've gave it. Given it to you. And you combine that with what you. What you are uniquely. And you have a value. Now you give that to somebody else, and let's say I encounter you again, like, you know, a thousand years later, and you've gained so much more, and you come back to me, say, ed, hey, look, I have some more value to give to you. And you give that to me now. And now I've got all that you've learned and all that you've experienced and grown from and stories. In all your stories. Now I've got that, and I can go share that with someone else. So this could perpetuate. And you. It will never get old. You'll never get tired of it.
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Top Lobsta
I. I had a little glimpse yesterday of, like, the wisdom of that in that idea, right? Like, that's what you would really want. Because I was talking to my son, and he said something, he's always asking me, like, would you rather kind of a question, right? And he goes, would you rather know everything there is to know or have your entire body be strong? And then he, like, also bothered to say it, like, including your balls. And I was like. But I said I would add on for my entire body to be strong.
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Ed Maybry
I choose a strong ball.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah, yeah, the strong balls. Because then there's no. There's no mystery left in life. There's nothing to pursue, there's nothing to learn. And you don't get to have those moments anymore of, like, when you learn something new. And it's amazing and it connects so many dots for you. And that's why he actually showed his wisdom in that moment. He said, yeah, I would choose that too. Not because your balls would be strong, but because your brain is part of your body. And I went.
- [45:36]
Raven
Yeah, it's why Superman is the. The worst superhero in my opinion, because it's, like, boring. You find him boring too?
- [45:44]
Ed Maybry
Yeah, I find it more because he's too Powerful. He's way op. I mean the way he's. The way he's been written in the past. I mean, I mean I'm a comic book nerd. I grew up on him. I don't read as much now, but I. When I was growing up, I. He was like one of my least favorites. I didn't like him and I didn't like Captain America. Captain America is not as physically powerful, but he's like, he never does. He's just like this perfect guy. He never does anything wrong. He always says the right. I'm like, he does. I was, I was more of a Batman guy because Batman's damaged. I can, I can relate to, to that.
- [46:13]
Top Lobsta
But Superman, you know, Spider man because he's like a child in many ways. And so he's like super good like in his heart, but he's kind of a goofball and, and you know that. So that. I always thought that made a more interesting dynamic character where like. Yeah. Superman is just too flat. It's too two dimensional. There's nothing going on there.
- [46:33]
Raven
The best job done with Superman and I will retain. This is Smallville. It was an ongoing series for a long time. Yeah. And I, I watched it and you got to know Clark Kent as like a, a human being. But in the movies and even in the comics, I'm just kind of like this dude is just. There's no strife, there's no struggle.
- [46:50]
Ed Maybry
So he's been kryptonite just to make him like relatable. Yeah.
- [46:57]
Raven
Yeah, yeah.
- [46:59]
Ed Maybry
So yeah, I'm more of a. Yeah. Bad man. I grew up, I was a huge Spider man fan growing up for that same reason. Because he, he was insecure. Like he, you know, he had all these powers, but he was, he was insecure. He was always doubting himself. Like, well that, that's. You can relate to that. Yeah.
- [47:12]
Top Lobsta
I also was a big fan of the trash talking. That's one of the things they did.
- [47:14]
Ed Maybry
Good with Spider Man.
- [47:15]
Top Lobsta
He's constantly talking trash while he's fighting. It was like the only one that did that. Just non stop him. And like they did that with Deadpool too. But I really enjoyed that. But at the heart of Spider man was like that self sacrifice and that like everything was about being a good guy in the, in the purest form. And so I always appreciate that about him. But yeah, if you, if you know everything and you, you, you can do. It's like what's there even to look what's more fun? It's fun playing Grand Theft Auto with all the cheats on for only like a half an hour. And then afterwards you're like, please, I have to start the game fresh so that I could be handicapped and I can achieve all the things and do all the missions because otherwise the game becomes hollow, shallow and. And uninteresting very quickly.
- [47:59]
Ed Maybry
If you have Mike closer, closest equivalent to that. Because again, I'm not a gamer, but back in the day when I was. It was one of my first job. Well, my, My first, like real job was during the tech boom back in the early aughts and you know, so I was. I was doing some. I was doing software sales and marketing and the, the guy who was our IT guy, he. They would. It gods would always play this game called Doom and he gave me this code and I would always get. I would get my ass kicked. I'm just not good at video games. He gave me this code where I can get endless ammunition and like never die. And I was like, sweet. And so I'm. It was great, like I said, for a while, but then I got. It took me like a day and a half to get all the way to the top level. Like, well, okay, now what? There's no struggle, there's no challenge. You know, things are like breathing fire on me and shooting me, but I'm just bouncing off. And every time I ran out of ammo, I'll put this code in. I type a code in and I'm full of. You have new ammo? I can get any weapon. I didn't have to like, find weapons. I could just get the most powerful weapon at like the. At level one and just like torch everything. Which again, like you said, it's fun.
- [49:02]
Top Lobsta
For a while, but then, yeah, the value in. There's like so much value in being wrong because as soon as you're wrong and you're proven wrong, then it's the first step to being right. And that comes with like, there's such a reward system that's built within us.
- [49:17]
Ed Maybry
You know, get a dopamine hit.
- [49:18]
Top Lobsta
It's huge. It's huge. Yesterday we were talking to somebody and we. We did an episode with somebody from a show called Control Alt History. And he showed us something called the Spirit Comm. And the Spirit Comm was a device in the 70s and 80s where people were like reliably speaking to spirits on the other side who were giving them intelligible answers. And there was an exchange of information and people were coming from far and wide to try to disprove this thing. And they were just Simply not able to disprove it. There was one guy in particular who was, I think pretty. What was it? Top? It wasn't like he made it, but it was like he was really interested in using it. And then this guy goes on to. They, they wrote a movie about him. 2022. This guy.
- [50:06]
Ryan Reynolds
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- [51:04]
Top Lobsta
Space80@Talkspace.Com started healing people, but like doing it spiritually. And these are people that were terminally ill and then were not. And he was able to discern like, oh, you've got a, a cancerous tumor in you. And he would, no, no medical background at all, but he would be able to like cut these people open, remove this thing, stitch them back up and they'd be totally fine. And the way that he knew this was like this spiritual interaction. Turns out that this is the same guy. What was it? Top? What, what was the connection that we made yesterday? And I was like, I couldn't believe it.
- [51:38]
Raven
So, I mean, it's just Andreja Puharich. He was, he was investigating the Spiricom, but he was also. He's like one of these guys is everywhere. He's investigating everything. He was also investigating this guy from Brazil. Name escapes me right now.
- [51:54]
Top Lobsta
That's, that's the doctor that was channeling people, right?
- [51:57]
Raven
Yeah. But Puharich was. Had claimed to have manifested the Nine or the, the Council of Nine.
- [52:06]
Top Lobsta
That's what it was. Yeah. Because there's, there's a Satanic cult called 09A. And it's the order of nine angles. But they're a satanic cult. And we're like, pretty sure it's the order of nine Angels. And we're looking for this connection, right? And so what ends up happening is we find out that there was a guy who was channeling these spirits and was communicating with. I forget what the expression is, but they were the nine deities. Well, that ruled over Egypt.
- [52:33]
Ed Maybry
We came upon Egypt, okay.
- [52:36]
Raven
I mean, they ruled over everything. They're in old mythology, like, almost every mythology. This, like the idea of the nine. But his name came up because he was a part of this group of. I forget what it was called. It's like a global group of nine that makes these huge economic decisions. And it just so happened. We were talking about. With the guest. About nine being significant. And I was trying to find the Council of Nine. I just couldn't think of it at the time. And he's like, oh, there was a. You know, he was like a German dude or whatever, and he's thinking about the name. Couple minutes later, he gives us Buharich. And I was like, this rings a bell. I look him up again. This guy said he's. He's contacted the Council of Nine, which are these nine entities that sit at a table. And then you have Order of nine Angles. There's also the documentaries written that are going to be written about this. The idea of the nine.
- [53:23]
Top Lobsta
And this is the same guy that was. We were talking about with the Spirit comm. And it was like my first time having heard about him that time. And we thought that that was so significant. And then all of a sudden, this guy brings his name up again. And it's like, if you could look at it on a grid, like synapse is connecting, right? Like neurons firing and new bridges developing, new. New thought patterns developing. Like, I couldn't. You. I do this because I love those moments when you get to click something together. It hits you like a brick to the forehead. But, like, in the best way possible. And. And yeah, I mean, all of that is gone. Like, I. I don't think. I think that's a spiritual moment. You know what I mean? I think that when you have those moments, God is like, ah, there he goes. You know what I mean? Like, because it feels so important.
- [54:12]
Ed Maybry
Yeah. No, and I think that's. That. That's just show. It's what I said at the very beginning. I think the more you learn, the more mature. I think when God knows, he'll give you what you can Handle. And I think he delights in that. He says, hey, this guy can handle something. I can give him some more because he can handle it. Just like, you know, it's like when your kid is growing up. When my kid's growing up. I love when they. When they're able to handle something more. We're not learning to ride a bike for the first time. I was like, yes, now we can go biking together. And the point is. And I think God has that same joy with us when he. And that's why I think that he doesn't like. Like Christians or anyone else who doesn't want to grow. If you don't want to grow, because. Okay, well, I can't. There's nothing I can do for you. You just stay right there. You just want to. You want to be perpetually a child, and that's fine if you want to do that. But I'm looking for people who want to grow.
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Raven
Let me.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah.
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Raven
Let me ask if the name of.
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Top Lobsta
The game is the. Oh, sorry, Top. Go ahead.
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Raven
Yeah, no, no, go ahead, Dave. I'll. I'll hold the.
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Top Lobsta
I was just gonna say if the name of the game is. Is the pursuit of truth, right? Because even, like, spreading the word and leading people towards Christ, Well, Christ is the way, the truth and the life, right? So it's like the truth is.
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Ed Maybry
Is.
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Top Lobsta
Is the. The center component about this. And if you're pursuing it, it's going to take you to a lot of really crazy places. Now you could just sit down and go, I've seen enough, and where I am is enough. Or you can look at the things that challenge where you think you are and. And where you think you're solidified in. And instead of just pushing them away, you go, okay, let's. Let's see what it is. Let's look at it. And if you can do that, it continuously pulls you forward in this, like. Like really wild. Really. It's. It's peaks and valleys as far as, like, the emotional roller coaster that this. This path takes you on. And it's something that you can do because there have been those who have. You can do this for your entire life.
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Ed Maybry
You can.
- [55:56]
Top Lobsta
Yeah, you'll never still never get to the end of it.
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Ed Maybry
Hey, Top, can I say one thing real quick? And I'll get you. Because you just reminded me of something, because basically what you said, people can stop. They can say, you know what? This is as far as I could go. I can't go any further, and they can stop. And I would say most of the time, most of the comments I get that are negative towards me are usually people who I can tell and say, you know what? I'm not going any further. You. What you're saying is beyond. They're not saying. It's. Listen, what you're saying is beyond me. So it sounds like blasphemy, which we're going to get to in a few minutes, but I just can't go that, that much further. And I actually had a great moment this week because I had. I feel like I got, like, a crown, a feather in my cap. Someone came onto my site and accused me of being a show for the elites.
- [56:40]
Raven
And I was like, yes, nice.
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Top Lobsta
Congratulations, Ed. You made it.
- [56:43]
Raven
You made it. Did you hear? Sam Tripley told us we made it, too.
- [56:46]
Top Lobsta
He.
- [56:46]
Raven
He was on.
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Ed Maybry
I heard that. Yeah. You guys were called controlled opposition.
- [56:49]
Raven
Yes.
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Top Lobsta
That's it, baby.
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Ed Maybry
I'm waiting for that. That'll be when I'm known if I've reached the top, when I'm controlled opposition. Right now, I'm just a shield for the elites.
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Raven
That's the next step.
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Ed Maybry
Soon I'll graduate.
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Top Lobsta
I'm just gonna. I'm just a henchman for the elites.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, I wish the elites paid better because, I mean, I. I need a raise. It's.
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Top Lobsta
It's. It's more of an internship. Okay, it's an internship. It's an unpaid internship as a henchman. And then if you show some promise and some, you know, ingenuity, then maybe, you know, some opportunities.
- [57:19]
Raven
Controlled opposition doesn't pay so well either. But on the point of this idea of, like, this sort of, like, blasphemy or what we're talking about here, it's going to be a large tangent that I'm going to go on. But Donald Trump is in and he's doing things.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah. And my wife hates him so much, I'm like, I've got to. We have to agree not to talk politics anymore. She's just like, she is not on the Trump train. But anyway, go ahead.
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Raven
Well, she's probably sensing some weird stuff that. Which, like, I like a lot of what he's doing, but, like, some of the things he's doing, so. All right. We're clearly moving toward, you know, and end times, which says that there needs to be a one world government, and that's like, you know, one. One monetary system that's coming at the same. So he's done this weird thing where he's embracing cryptocurrency, and then he signs an executive order that says, we're shutting down central bank digital currencies, CBDCs, which are, which what most of us were looking at as the one world currency. Right. That you can control what you buy and sell. He says that'll never happen, I'm shutting it down. But on the other side, he's embracing cryptocurrency and to me there's really no difference. You can slide the dollar into whichever compatible cryptocurrency and create a one world currency.
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Ed Maybry
That's what I think. Yeah, they're just privatizing it. Yeah, it's a, it's the same thing.
- [58:42]
Raven
Like you're saying it's a sleight of hand. Now, you know, we have people like, there's this guy, Derek Bros, he's an idiot. There's another one, Whitney Webb, she great information. I just don't.
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Ed Maybry
She's good, but she freaks me out.
- [58:55]
Raven
Yeah. Because she's a black pill. And I like, I actually just commented before we came on here, Derrick Bros is talking about whatever, whatever, oh, I have this property. And I said, yeah, where's your kids? Any kids planned? No, because you're giving the people black pills saying this is bad. And yes, it is bad. This, this idea of this, like, you know, switch to cryptocurrency from a physical dollar is bad, but you're not giving them a solution. And I'm like, I suspect that this cryptocurrency that they're going to use might be XRP or Ripple. Like it's something that they were talking about for a long time. And I had it, they almost banned it. I sold thousands of thousands of dollars in it and now I'm just redivesting back into it. And they're like, everyone's so worried about saying, oh, this is bad. This is, you know, and end times and this. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But God is giving us some kind of insight into what's coming. We know it's coming for sure. And I'm speculating on how they're going to do it. Is it wrong to position myself in a way where I'm like, hey, listen, if you want to change this into a one world currency, I'm going to be heavily divested in it. So I don't have to suffer stupidly because you've given me all the signs and signals, this is what you're doing and it's pretty much a done deal that it's going to be used on this crypto or possibly listen, it could be another. But I, you know, is, I'M arguing with people who are Christians. They're saying, well, you're not supposed to do, like, you're not supposed to take part in this world. And I'm like, well, do you use. You're telling me this on a cell phone.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah, you know, exactly. And also social media company that's owned by the guy who's rolling out the mark. Look, it's like, like, is it wrong, though?
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Raven
Like, you know, no, I, I don't.
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Top Lobsta
Think what's wrong is taking the mark in your hand or forehead. Right? And it's like, we. As long as you're going into this cautiously and you're asking, you know, God to align your will with his will, and, and you're. Because I do think it's like, we've talked about this before, Red. No man knows like, the, the day or the hour, but like, man, if you're paying attention, there are so many signs.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, I mean, he said, you don't know the day they are. But he says in that same verse, you'll know when the time is near, even at the door. Yeah, let me know when I'm right. Day or hour doesn't mean that you don't know the, the year. And I'm not, I don't date set at all. But you're going to know. I mean, the apostle Paul says. Apostle Paul says in, in. I think it's in second verse or second Thessalonians that, you know, that, you know, you're not showed enough. She says, you know, that day will overtake them as a thief, but as a thief in the night. He said, but you are not children of the night, you are of the day. So Paul is basically saying the people who are, who are not in the light, they'll, they're going to be surprised. But you say you're in the light, you're going to know. So if you're a Christian, Paul is basically telling you you're going to know when things are happening.
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Top Lobsta
And let me just, let me tell the people.
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Raven
I'm going to tell the people that, that are saying this stuff, like. Because it's almost like part of me is like, yeah, am I, am I participating in the beast system? I'm like, I suppose we all are, but that's a. What level? Well, yeah, I know somebody and, you know, I'm not gonna say his name, but the guy worked a couple of jobs. He had some extra money during the time of COVID and when the, the V rolled around, he had enough extra money to go and get him and his wife, I believe, you know, a legitimate fake card because he had extra money and he saw it coming down the pipe. I was like, oh, interesting. So now this person can survive within this system somewhat, and he's moving around. He's going to restaurants and things like this. And it's like he saw it coming and he positioned himself well and he survived it. And I'm like, are we supposed to do this? Like, if we're gonna have to go through stuff, like, should we position ourselves well, or should I just complain and then suffer later? I don't know.
- [62:38]
Ed Maybry
Yeah, I think. Well, my answer, My short answer is it is not wrong to buy xrp. If it is, then I'm wrong, because the only thing I regret, I. I bought some. Like, I started buying it a couple years ago. My only regret is that I didn't buy more. That's all I regret now is seeing it skyrocket. Because I was told. Actually, I think I was. It was maybe. Maybe it was Tripoli Show I was listening to. Maybe it was Sam Show. He has some guy on there who said that, you know, the. The in it that. That XRP is. Is almost literally NSA money. That's what they're going to be using. I'll say, well, I want to get into that. And I couldn't buy it in America. It was. I think it was still banned at that time. And after I had to use an exchange, an overseas exchange, which was so many hurdles to jump through to get.
- [63:17]
Raven
I was buying it on Coinbase when it was legal. Then they made it illegal.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
- [63:21]
Raven
And I had to liquidate.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
- [63:23]
Raven
Because I was like, they could go to zero. It could very well go to zero. And I'm just out thousands of dollars, so. But whatever, I lost.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah. So the point is that what Raven was saying, that the Mark of the beast is not about economics. That's an effect. The cause is worship. Now, if I want to buy some XRP and some. Something pops up and says, declare your allegiance to whoever, I'm like, okay, I guess I'm not buying XRP now, because I'm not doing that. But right now it's just. I get it. I mean, I'm on. I think. What about crypto.com? one of those. I just. I can buy. It's legal to buy there now. And I. Like I said, my only regret is I didn't buy more, but it was at 50 cents. You know, I'm just kicking myself for not, you know, putting a few more grand into it, because I. I didn't know, and I don't. I don't know crypto that well. So I just put up. I said, here's some money that I'm. If I lose it, I'm not gonna freak out. So that's how much money I put into it. And it's. Now I'm like, holy crap, if I had. But now, you know what I put? Every time it dips, I buy a little more. I mean, I think one of your listeners actually contacted me and said, hey, Ed, buy some xrp. Because he. He didn't tell me why he. Exactly what he. Why he. Yeah, his reasoning was, but he felt that it was something that he had reasons. It wasn't a long conversation.
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Top Lobsta
No.
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Ed Maybry
And I said, yeah, I've been buying. I'll buy some more.
- [64:35]
Top Lobsta
I'm pretty sure he hit me up. And he said he had a dream. And I was like, good enough for me, baby.
- [64:41]
Raven
Listen, I will say here, I'm not a crypto guy, but I've been investing in specifically xrp and I have Bitcoin as well, But XRP was one of them that I wish I didn't get spooked out. And honestly, looking back, it seems like they did it on purpose. They spooked a lot of people out of it because it was unavailable in the United States. You couldn't buy it off of most of. Most of these crypto exchanges. And I was like, I better get out. But like. Like, thinking about it now, I was like, it was a couple thousand. Like, it wouldn't have even bothered me because it's kind of. It's just money that's. I'm still saving. I should have left it. But, hey, man, good on you. Lizard people. They spook you out, then they buy more of it in order to. So that they have the majority. But listen, when. When the time comes. Yeah, I'm. I'm hoping when the time comes and this thing is worth a lot of money. It's not necessarily because I can live luxuriously. It's so that I will be ahead of the game and maybe I can use this money so that I don't have to participate as much in the awful things that they probably will want us to do.
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Ed Maybry
Exactly. I mean, it's gonna. It's gonna dip again big. I'm pretty sure some. It's gonna dip hard because I think it's. They're playing the game. They're getting people jazzed up for it now. They're gonna buy, then they're gonna. Just gonna dip people. Everyone. Everyone's Gonna sell and then the big institutions are going to buy it up again. So I'm just buy the dip. But anyway, getting back to what we're talking about before you, because you mentioned, you know, blasphemy. So here's my first blasphemous statement going back to what we're saying about how we're going to be learning from each other for eternity. Guess who else is going to be learning for eternity? God. God can't learn. Yes he can. God. When people say, well, God knows everything. God knows everything that exists. God has all the information that currently exists. He does not have information that doesn't exist. And that does not diminish God. It actually is logical. How can God have information that doesn't exist if it doesn't exist? No one can have it. God doesn't have it. So that's why we'll see. We see several places in the Bible where God doesn't know what someone's going to do until they do it. Famous example, Abraham, when God told him to go sacrifice your son Isaac, Abraham goes up there, he has a knife. He's about to plunge it into him and got. And he's got sends an angel to stop him him. And then God says, abraham, now I know that you would not withhold your son from me. Which means that before that he didn't know. But that makes sense because Abraham is a being of free will, like we all are. If we're truly beings of free will, then that means that God can't know every decision we're going to make until we make it. He can know our tendencies and he can have, you know, a good idea of what we're going to do in the macro. But he doesn't know every single thing we're going to do because we haven't done it yet. We can change our minds.
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Raven
So you're saying we retain free will in. Okay, that's an important one.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, we will retain free will. But as we're learning from each other, we're, we're getting new information and God will get to know that new information. So he will be learning new things. That's why he wants us to be a part of, of this world. Because like if we go back in time to before God created anything, was God lacking anything? No, God, he was perfect. He was complete. So why did he create this world and us and angels? Well, if you have everything, if you, if you're complete, what could you possibly want more of what you already have? If you look at the Trinity, they were in perfect union. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, eternally perfect in union. If you have three. And this is going to get into my crazy theory. If you have three entities that are in perfect fellowship, what could, what, what could you do to expand that? Well, add a fourth person at the bride. So now you have Father, Son, Holy Spirit and bride, which is us.
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Raven
This, that also goes back to that, the verse that we were talking about. And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth and it grieved him at his heart. You think maybe one of God's mistakes was not giving the angel's free will? Because that's. This is what kind of caused this, right?
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, you're actually getting to what I'm going to be talking about in episode four or five of the Genesis series. Was it, was it a mistake? No, not mistaken in the sense that he did something wrong. What he did was he. I think what God was doing was the same thing that he with the angels is the same thing he does with us, which is, I'll give you these things. Will you. Will you walk with me? So he gave. So when he starts with the angels, he says, I'm. You guys will know everything. You're going to see things in 11 dimensions. You're going to see things the way I see things. And they obviously rebelled. So God says, okay, well, the next thing I create, I can't make. I. I've got it. And they can't repent. This is why angels can't repent. I get this question a lot, you know, and you guys may even ask, why can't the Nephilim repent? Why can't a fallen angel say, hey, God, I was wrong when I fell because it wasn't a mistake. They did it with full knowledge. They knew all the ramifications of what they did. When I do something wrong, I know some of the ramifications. Let's say if I lie to my boss at work, I know some of the ramifications in the physical realm. I don't know all the 10, 11 dimensional ramifications. So I can repent. I can say, hey, God, I made a mistake. I didn't know. Okay, I can forgive you for that because you didn't know. Angels can't say that because everything they do, they do with full intent and full knowledge. There's no room for repentance because repentance, meaning turns. Turn away from what you did, admitting you're wrong. They, they don't have to admit they, they knew they were from the wrong. From the beginning. If you look at the Book of Enoch, when the angels who fell, they. You know, before they fell, the. Their leader Semija says to the other ones, hey, you know, we need to make a pact together, because we're about. We're about to do some seriously bad stuff, and I don't want to be in this by myself. Let's make a pact. And they said, yeah, we'll make the pact. So before they even enter, had intercourse with women, they knew that what they were doing was terrible. That's why they can't repent, because they can't say, hey, God, I'm sorry. No, you're not sorry. You did it with full intention, with full knowledge of all the ramifications.
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Raven
They made a contract with each other, right?
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Ed Maybry
So there's no room for repentance. So I think the next time God said, well, if I make another being, this. That's. That's not perfect, they're gonna screw up. So I need to make sure that there's room for forgiveness. So I cannot give them full knowledge like I gave the angels in the beginning, otherwise I won't be able to redeem them when they inevitably screw up.
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Raven
It's also the story. I mean, I guess the idea of God learning is his continual grace. And not just continual, but, like, expanding grace from the beginning of the Bible all the way to Jesus where he's like, all right, well, this, you know, like, he's. He's got to continually up the ante for, like, how we can be forgiven. Because he didn't. I guess he didn't know how stupid.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, I think he probably. I think he had the knowledge of how stupid we'd be. But he. But it hadn't happened yet. So we said, okay, well, I'm gonna. I'm gonna put them out there and just see if they're gonna meet or exceed my levels of stupidity that I. That I've already, like, outlined for them. I'm sure we've exceeded it. We've exceeded expectations.
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Raven
Yes, we have. Always. Above and beyond.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah, yeah, address. I'm sorry to interrupt, but this is something that I wanted to address. Somebody said this to me the other day or said maybe said it to somebody else. I don't know if they said it to me, but it was like this idea that God is. Is. Is so powerful and. And all knowing and all this other stuff that he ends up giving his only begotten Son in basically as a way to clear the path for us and. And offer us a path to redemption. And why Would he have to do such a thing? If he's all powerful, why does he have to send somebody to die and suffer for him? And, and I kind of just went like, if you built an entire, you know, you take the fundamental aspects of an entire universe down to, like, the, the things that, you know are at its foundation, and then you manipulate that and you create all of these amazing things. You create entities and you create, you know, lands and, and, you know, there's this entire spiritual realm and everything. And then you look over to what the other side is doing, the, the bad side. It's like, how do they manipulate this realm? It's like almost like an alchemical process. There's, there's ritual, there's ceremony, there's sacrifice. There's an energetic exchange. There's geometry to it. There's all these things that they have to do they seemingly can manipulate, but that's the process by which they do it. So it's like, I just don't think it's that much of a stretch that God would create all these things. And then it's like he knows how to manipulate his own. He knows how to take the fundamental building blocks of this realm and change them, augment them alchemically, you know, alter what we have here. And so I don't think it's a, it's a, I don't think it's a coincidence that the way in which it happens includes a lot of those same aspects. There's like, there's ceremony, there's ritual, there's sacrifice. We no longer have to sacrifice. Those days are behind us. But a big sacrifice was made on behalf of us.
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Raven
Right.
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Top Lobsta
And so I, I, to me, I just, I just wanted to say I don't think that diminishes the power that God has. To me, it just says he has intimate knowledge of how this realm works because he created it. And so he knows exactly how to intervene on behalf of us and exactly how to create a new path for us. It's like if you had, you know, I think simulation theory is very gay, but if you had some grand programmer and it's like, well, what method would he use to alter his program? He would create a program. He would go through the normal channels, even though he created it, and he's all knowing and all seeing and he knows exactly what's in this program. He would use the pathways that another programmer would use to alter the reality of the program that he's created. You know what it says?
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
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Top Lobsta
I just, I just wanted to say that because it's been like kind of, you know, I couldn't figure out how to type it out into words, so I just kind of like left it. And you know, maybe not always, always best to argue with strangers on Twitter, but I could see how on its face that you think that's a wise question, but the answer is like right in front of you. It's like he has an intimate knowledge of the workings of his own creation, thereby he knows exactly how to alter it. And I think that's exactly what happened there. And if you need further evidence of that, just look over to the negative side. They're doing the same thing. They're just doing it for the wrong reason reasons.
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Ed Maybry
Not only that, but keep in mind that everything he created, just like that programmer you mentioned in your analogy, he's going to do it according to his nature. How? Whatever his thoughts are, he's going to put that into his program. God does the same thing we said before. God is always a completely right and just. So everything has to work according to righteousness and justice. So why did Jesus have to die? Justice. Justice says that things have to equal out. Man committed a sin, so we were up here. Man comes down here, so what has to happen in order? Things have to equal out. He has to come up here. How does he come up here? Someone else has to give something up. He's down here, so I have to give something up to raise him back. Jesus had to die in order for justice to be served. Man deserved to die for sin. We all deserve to die for our sin. So some. So the only way to balance that out is to have someone who has never sinned die for us and put and give us their innocence. Yeah, but again, as we talked about before, because Jesus didn't deserve to die, justice stated that God had to give him back his life and give him back infinite life because he showed he would never sin. And he can give that infinite life to us. And that's what salvation is. Jesus was show that he would never sin. The devil came to tempt him. And Jesus passed and the devil said, stated his will. I'm out of here. I'm never going to attempt this guy again. Then he sent his minions of Pharisees. And the Pharisees tried and they failed. And they said that we're never gonna, we're done. We're never gonna question this guy again. We're just gonna kill him. So he showed that neither the spiritual realm nor he, no one in the spiritual realm or the physical realm would ever get him to sin. So he. He should have lived forever. He had infinite life. His life was taken from him unjustly. So God being the God of justice, had to give him back all the life, infinite life. And this is it. Since it's infinite, he could give it to as many people as would accept his gift. And that's what salvation is. That's what. Those are the mechanics of salvation.
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Raven
It.
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Top Lobsta
It sounds so, you know, like a really. Sorry about that. A really reductive explanation of that would be like, you know, to go back to Grand Theft Auto, we use that as an analogy before. And it's like, you know, there is a way in which the. The game works, but as a user, you become keen to, like, some of the ways in which you could alter the game. Right, left, down, right up, left, down, right up, up. L1, L2, R1, R2, whatever it is. And then it's an infinite money hack. Now, that's a very simple game, and it's a very simple way to hijack the game. You imagine this is the most complex creation, full stop. And so if there was a way to alter it, well, it would be equally as complex. Maybe it would take an entire, you know, 33 years of a man's life and going through this process and fulfilling prophecy. That's like, you know, it's not just going to be a simple. Jesus stands there and faces left, faces rights, faces up, faces down.
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Raven
You know what I mean?
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Top Lobsta
Like, it's not going to be that kind of a situation. There's. This is a much grander realm than the ones that we're accustomed to. And so, yeah, it's. I think it's the same thing. It's like there are ways to alter the realm. Like whatever happened there with, With. With the death. Death and resurrection of Christ. You know, the spiritual implications, the spiritual echoes. Right. It's like that idea of like, speaking something and it exists pretty rapidly in the spiritual realm and then takes a while to manifest here in the physical realm. It's like the implications of that moment in time change the fabric of the spiritual realm definitively changed the fabric of the spiritual realm.
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Raven
Yeah, it physically tore the veil, right?
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Ed Maybry
Yeah, yeah. It had ramifications that no one in the spiritual realm, even. I don't even. I don't believe that even the angels, I think they were surprised. They didn't know what was happening. I think they were watching, like, God, what are you doing? Why did you. How Jesus dying and what do you. Oh, that's what you. That. Oh, good job. All right. So I want to get to the. I know we're over an hour. I want to get to my. To my blasphemy. Okay? Start getting some reactions to it. So here it is. My idea. What? Because, I mean, all the sharing, sharing value and growing, that all sounds great, but what else are we going to be doing? So here, here's my thought and my basis for this is the deductive reasoning of what God has wanted from us and what God. What he wants us to experience. The whole point of everything is God wants us to experience him. He wants us to know him intimately. How do you know someone intimately? You experience what they experience. So what would be the ultimate way to experience what God experienced? If. To do everything that God did. So if that's the case, what if at some point in eternity we are allowed to basically do what God did from the beginning? What if part of the authority that we're given is to create? We have the ability to create. We're. We're, you know, Adam and he made in the image of God. We'll have that image back. We can create. What if we. What if God says, I'm going to let you have. Have your own earth? You're going to be. You're going to be. In Genesis, verse one, you get to create your own life. You will be that. Hold on. I know, I know, I know. You create your own life. You watch that life fail, but you love that life so much, you have to. You. You're going to experience all the frustration, all the highs and lows, the joys, all their stories, and they're going to break your heart. Just the same way you guys broke my heart. You're going to intimately know that you might have to. Have to actually even die for them.
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Raven
That's the idea of, like, when you have a kid and you're like, I want. It's like, I want my kids to have kids, not just to extend my lineage. That's like, I don't care. I mean, I do care about it, but I'm not gonna see it. I want to see them figure this out, you know, because there's a lot of growth, there's a lot of frustration in this. And I'm sure my parents are watching me now do it, and they're like, yeah, remember that? That was. That was awful. You haven't slept in how long? You know that? But you need that to grow. And your brain needs to be, like, damaged to then, like, understand what's going on.
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Ed Maybry
And that's why grandparents are so giddy. They they are the most nicely cruel people on Earth because my, my mother and dad, they look at me and they're like, yeah, you go through the same thing I went through. Oh, I, that's why I love my grandkids so much because they are just twice torturing you the way you tortured me.
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Raven
But so to see the story from the outside, but then it kind of begs the question of like, man, it's, it's what if, what if this is it? It leads to this idea of what if. Yes. And what if this has happened many times and what if we are on a planet of one of these.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
- [82:09]
Raven
And this God is just Ed. But Ed was.
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Top Lobsta
Well, that's so, I mean, there's no other reason.
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Ed Maybry
Let me get you one more thing, Raven. Because here's a blasphemy, blasphemous part about it because, or people. The reason people might see it's blasphemous because it actually mirrors some of the eschatology of Mormonism. And I acknowledge that because Mormons do believe that when you die, they believe that our current God, that which they call Elohim, was on another planet. And he grew and he started. Started us. And so, and that when they die, Mormons believe they're going to get their own planet.
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Raven
It.
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Ed Maybry
And so I know what I'm saying sounds a bit like that, so I acknowledge it. But my point is that, and I think we've talked about this before, there's truth is out there, but its truth can be corrupted. So just because something is, is being corrupted by people or groups who are under influence of, you know, bad entities doesn't mean that the core of it is wrong. We talked about this with crystals. I, I mentioned, I think last time that I have these, these, this like crystal pyramid by my bed because it absorbs electromagnet, electromagnetic radiation or whatever. And it's, you know, it's, it's good for you. So I'm not worshiping the crystal, but the crystal has those properties of absorbing EMFs. So that's a good thing. Now someone could take that and say, oh, you should worship the crystal. And you can do all these different things with it.
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Top Lobsta
You take it and you could put.
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Ed Maybry
It in your butt.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah, there you go.
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Raven
Right.
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Top Lobsta
It's so funny, you have your, your bag of crystal crackers.
- [83:37]
Raven
It's crystal meth.
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Ed Maybry
So honestly, now that you mentioned, what if the Mormons. I'll let you go. What if the Mormons had a. What is it? The kernel of truth in that? That was corrupted. But that's actually. That's. There's some actual truth to it.
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Top Lobsta
So out there.
- [83:52]
Ed Maybry
But go ahead.
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Raven
It's. It is an extra biblical text. Right. So if we're reading the Book of Enoch in that manner, we might as well give some thought to that. But that. I mean, what would you want when you go to, like, I'm thinking you're, like, you'd be able to do what you wanted, like, what you really love forever. So, like, right now I'm gonna go after this show or after the next show we do, I'm gonna. I'm gonna draw a T shirt for Alex Jones because I really like designing and creating and the idea that, oh, people are gonna wear this. But I did that for a long time, and then I'm like, I'm gonna do some podcasting and I like this, and this is, like, what I like to do. And I'm sure soon my interests will evolve, so that's not going to be good enough. If I could have my own world to do this experiment, because the experiment is endless. There's an infinite amount of things and people going on. It's fast. It'll keep you busy for an eternity.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
- [84:42]
Raven
Any, like, make your own Bible, make your own Sims. Isn't it the Sims?
- [84:49]
Ed Maybry
Exactly. And are we used to it already? With. With. With the Sims, with. With Minecraft, it's like our minds are already going there. There's. I think I talked about the movie before, like, the. It's called the 13th Floor, where these people make a simulation assimilate, like an AI simulated world, and they're able to go into that world, and when they go into that world and they come out, they. They realize that the twist at the end of the movie. Sorry, spoiler alert. Is that the people who created the simulated world, they had already been created by another group of people above them further in the future. So they were a simulation and they made the simulation. So, yeah, watch the 13th floor. It's actually a pretty good movie.
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Top Lobsta
Well, okay, so there's two things about that. Number one, it seems that inherently Nate, reality is fractal, so that would track, right?
- [85:35]
Ed Maybry
Yeah.
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Top Lobsta
The other thing is there's no other way to come full circle, so. So you don't understand what it's like to be apparent until you are a parent. And then once you are you, like, you gain all this wisdom. The same way that we've been talking a lot on this show about how fatherhood does put God into perspective in a much larger way than you were previously able to access. Right. And so I. It almost feels like because you have those moments in life, oh, now I'm here. Now I understand. Oh, now I'm here. Now I understand. Now I'm dead. Now I understand. Now I'm grandpa. Now I understand. But there's still levels of understanding beyond that. And the only way, the only way to ever close that circle. If understanding is the goal, and the goal is to close the circle, that would be the only way.
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Raven
Imagine, Imagine being the father of somebody who committed the most mass murders in the world. Like that. Someone that's responsible for the most genocide in the world, the most horrible thing. And it's not Hitler, it's probably Stalin, who you guys are thinking of. And also being the father of a dude that like, basically creates technology to feed the world and, and is responsible for immense good. The, the dynamic between those two. Like, like we have our kids and we'll see them grow up to be whatever they'll be. But like, if God has all these kids. So yeah, man, it's. It's an experience. And wouldn't you want to experience that in some sort of way? But then does that all suit. But does that make you. You'd have to accept some form of worship from them, Right?
- [87:10]
Ed Maybry
Because you have to remember what worship is. Worship is just the exchange of spiritual value. You're trying to get them to be like you. We worship God because worship you become like what you worship. And I think it's Psalms 115, 115, 118. You become like what you worship. We're supposed to worship God so that we become like Him.
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Raven
Yeah.
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Ed Maybry
So that's what worship is. And so, so, yeah, I mean, so there's some dicey areas. I mean, this is just my, My wag, my wild ass guess. But the thing that freaks me out is what, what you said at first top was, well, how do we know that the God we worship is the og? Is he. Is he the original or is he. That's a scary.
- [87:44]
Raven
Well, that's what he says.
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Ed Maybry
If we're all one, if we can all share the same thing, then is there a difference between them once we get there? Are, you know, is it. Is that what eternity is? That we see that? Yeah, the God we worship is the original, but we're all together with him in his mind. I don't know. I mean, it's, it's. Well, it really gets into like crazy quantum level stuff.
- [88:06]
Top Lobsta
So much of what plagues us is like, why is God this way? Why would God do that? Why did God choose to do this and, you know, we get wrapped up in the Old Testament God. Such a vengeful and evil sounding God, right? And it's like we could never understand unless we were in his shoes.
- [88:22]
Ed Maybry
And then. Yeah, yeah. And I think, like you were saying the fractal, bringing it back to a loop. I think we'll fully understand. Let's say. Let's say hypothetically that this is correct. And we. I. We create our own Adam and Evil. You know, call them Bob and Jane, or, you know, I'm black, I'll call them Tyrone and Laquisha. I make. I might make my first two. And they have a bunch of kids and they rebel. And I'm like, I gotta smack your kids around because you just don't get it. Like, oh, God, now I see why you did what you did. I understand your heart more now. And gotta be. Just like. Gotta be there. Just like my mom is whenever I'm disciplining my son. Say, see, now you understand. You don't understand why I disciplined you. Yes, now you get it.
- [89:05]
Raven
You're moving ahead of the game. Like, first off, the fun part would be like, okay, you have this blank slate. You have design what these inhabitants will even live on.
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Ed Maybry
Why.
- [89:18]
Raven
Why trees? Why he made trees and air to breathe and water to drink. It was like, well, I mean, if you're going to design an entity, like, how would you do it different? You know, this is. This is a pretty damn complex model that's been created.
- [89:31]
Top Lobsta
You know what's funny too, is top, when you start to come to terms with, like, oh, okay, you're. Yeah, you'd have to do it this way. And then guy goes, yeah, see, dumbass, that's why I did it that way. Honestly, you had all these complaints, but when you get there, you realize this is probably the most viable thing to do.
- [89:47]
Raven
This is probably a really short. It's like you. You come in and it's like, oh, welcome to heaven. You made it. All right, Everybody sit at the desk right here. And everyone sits at their own desk. And it's just like a world. Flat, round, whatever shape you want it. And, like, pick a shape. And you go, okay, boom. And God goes, all right, make life. And then you're like. He's like, yeah, you know how to do it.
- [90:05]
Ed Maybry
It.
- [90:05]
Raven
You'll be able to do it. So then you start doing it, and then within, like, 45 minutes, and it's just like, my world's on fire. And I get up and I'm like, okay, I'm out I'm out. I lost. I get it. I get it. I can't. I don't know how you did this. And let's just move on.
- [90:17]
Top Lobsta
Look, there's a couple of people. They made their. It's like, okay, yeah, you chose this fear model. Good job, right? They're always going to think.
- [90:23]
Raven
They're going to call you an asshole later. And then you get the.
- [90:26]
Top Lobsta
You're like, this guy's got the flat model. And you're like, yeah, they're going to say it's round. Okay?
- [90:30]
Ed Maybry
They're going to say it's round.
- [90:31]
Top Lobsta
And then there's the one guy that's got like, donut earth or hot dog earth, and he's like, it's not gonna work. Trust me, it's not gonna work. Go ahead, start it up. Yeah, start it up. Watch. Watch what happens. And it immediately just cracks. It happens.
- [90:42]
Raven
All the fire.
- [90:43]
Top Lobsta
Yeah.
- [90:44]
Raven
He's like, all right, you're done. He's just like, keep moving that.
- [90:47]
Ed Maybry
All these failed earths just gonna be like a trash can full of them.
- [90:50]
Top Lobsta
Just full of different shaped earths. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [90:52]
Raven
It's like a bunch of, like. You throw it in the garbage. There's a bunch of, like, weird beings are like, kill me.
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Ed Maybry
You know what else is gonna be even. Even worse? Like, people like you, top. You're very creative. Your world's gonna look awesome. Mine's gonna be, like, all boring because I don't have any type of artistic ability.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah. I'm gonna go. Exactly.
- [91:08]
Raven
To what?
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Top Lobsta
Like, what worked? Tell me what worked? I'm gonna do that. We're gonna do what worked, David.
- [91:13]
Raven
No. David, your. His world is going to be very much like the clothes he wears. If you were in it. You're like, oh, my God. What's wrong with this guy?
- [91:20]
Top Lobsta
They won't start naked. They're not going to start naked. Adam and Eve, and they're going to start only in Hawaiian shirts. And one day, the snake's gonna come in, and the snake's gonna go, you know, you don't have to wear. He doesn't want you to know this, but you don't have to wear the shirts. And then I'm gonna show up and go, where are you? Why are you hiding? And when they come out, I'm gonna go, why aren't you wearing your shirts? Who told you you didn't have to wear your Hawaiian shirts?
- [91:44]
Raven
If it doesn't. If it doesn't turn out this way, I'll be quite upset, Ed.
- [91:49]
Ed Maybry
So would I, honestly. Because as I think about. I'm like, that would that, would that. It makes sense. Again, I don't have anything from the Bible directly. This is all a wag. And it's all just based on what we know about God. We know that God wants us to know him. And. And I'm just. I just took that and just extrapolated from there. Is it wrong? Probably. Maybe something even better than that. But I think that this. That would be pretty cool. You make your own world and you go through everything that he went through.
- [92:15]
Raven
Would you make angels? Would you make angels again?
- [92:19]
Ed Maybry
Maybe. Or maybe we'll do it different. Maybe we'll do it complete in a different way and it'll. And we'll. We'll fail in our own special way.
- [92:25]
Top Lobsta
Is that David recreating the code of many colors. But Joseph is just gifted. Just a really flamboyant Hawaiian.
- [92:31]
Raven
No, it's just a bunch of rings. It's like, oh, God, it's got mad rings.
- [92:37]
Ed Maybry
But my guess is if this is correct, and we'd all. Each one of our worlds will be unique because we're unique and it'll have our nature. And. And then we. Then we'll talk a. I'll be like, hey, top man, I made my world. Look at these jackasses did in this world I made. They said, well, look at, look at what mine did. And look how much they're pissing me off.
- [92:54]
Raven
Well, this is like, this is the idea of the archetype and the story and human beings and movies and video games and things. If you don't tell a story that's good. And the reason a story is good is because it's true, because it follows certain rules. So, yeah, like, there would be people like, like, you know, these postmodernists. I'm going to break the rules and like, they're on fire right away. Like, done. Like, okay, you're done. Your world didn't last five minutes. But then there are people. There will be people that follow the rules to a certain extent. Like where you might even go ahead and you might even remake the entire how this whole thing played out if you do it correctly, right? Yeah.
- [93:30]
Top Lobsta
And who knows? Maybe if you don't follow those rules, maybe you're right, Top. Maybe it does. Like, there are ways that you could intervene, but if you break those rules and you don't do it to the, to the, you know, the code, let's say, like the core, the base code of it, then, yeah, it's probably put it on the fast track to destruction.
- [93:48]
Raven
It'll be one of these things where, like, you did, you know, I followed, like, pretty much how I think this whole thing goes. It was like, but I eliminated childhood cancer. And then you'll see, like, the world falls apart. And he's like, you see, it's like.
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Top Lobsta
Kind of, I want to give. You have to give them cancer.
- [94:02]
Ed Maybry
You need to.
- [94:02]
Raven
You got to give them cancer.
- [94:04]
Top Lobsta
It sucks, man.
- [94:05]
Ed Maybry
Probably the worst part. Okay, we should have done it again exactly the way you did. God. Okay, we get it.
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Top Lobsta
That would be. That would be the, the most hilarious thing, is to force us to go through it just so we go, like, he's right. Yeah, he's right. It doesn't work any other way. So it's got to be the way he did it.
- [94:21]
Ed Maybry
Yeah. So. So that's it. That's. That's my wild ass ideas. I mean, if, if, if it's too much for you, let it go. If it's not, then, hey, think about it. I mean, the ramifications are. Are. I mean, are. Are crazy. They're endless. Ramifications of what, what it could be.
- [94:34]
Raven
I think it's a. I think everybody should be thinking about, like, this is something that people are missing. Like, what would you do? Like, what would you. How would you make this thing if you had a chance to remold it? Like, it's a great idea to just go and chew on. I'm gonna tell my wife about this and probably think about it all night. Like, what the hell would I do different? And then really try to extrapolate on, well, where are the holes in this? It's a great thought experiment. How could this go wrong? Because I just can't just be like, oh, you know, Superman. Everyone's infinite. That's boring. How could this go wrong, you know?
- [95:02]
Ed Maybry
Well, that's what the angels, the original angels were like. They were all Superman. And it went. It went wrong because there was no growth. They could. They couldn't grow.
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Top Lobsta
Like, if you can't grow, he creates these things and he's like, and a good chunk of them are gonna turn on me. And it's just like, you know, you could see the path, you know, where everything goes. But that's the domino you've got to flick to get this whole party going.
- [95:31]
Ed Maybry
Yep. So. So that's what, that's what I've gotten. So next time I'm just. I'm doing just a wrap up because we've gone through so much stuff. I just need to summarize everything from chapter one through chapter 20. 2. And yeah, we'll put a cap on it and then we'll start. Because I, I like the idea of just doing some riffing on Genesis. Maybe we'll start doing that afterwards. Just.
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Top Lobsta
That would be cool. I think that would be great.
- [95:53]
Ed Maybry
Throwing some stuff against the wall and, and just give, giving some ideas. Like fleshing them out with you guys?
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Top Lobsta
Yeah, yeah. Between that, this series and the, and the monthly Bible studies, I think those are like fantastic tools and I'm really looking forward to starting that. It's interesting because we started at the end and then we're gonna have, you know, back to the beginning. But I'm looking forward to it. So I guess let's, let's bring it in for a landing. Ed, this is fantastic. Great conversation. I really love the idea too. It doesn't have to, I mean, you know, it's, it's the idea of whether or not it's blasphemous. It's like you don't have to take it as gospel. Can we think? Are we allowed to think and, and you know, come up with ideas? Please let everybody know one more time where they can find you. Ed.
- [96:34]
Ed Maybry
Faithbyreason.net is the website. It's where you find like all the stuff I've been doing over the years. And the new, the new venture is the Patreon where everything is going to be going there first. All anything I publish new, it goes there first. And before it goes into the public stuff, even, even the website is going to go there before it goes to my website. And so bonus content, Q and A's there. And at the high, the higher tier, the ten dollar tier, you're part of the Bible study that's going to be every, every month we go through the entire Bible in a year. From the supernatural point of view, just reading it as if we never read it before. Like it's a new novel. That's why it's called, it's called the Jehovah Story Book Club because we were reading the Bible like a novel for the first time. Get, you know, we suspend our preconceived notions and just say, hey, let's just take it at face value. And it's, you know, it's been amazing. It's. I, I promise you it will, it will change your walk with, with God.
- [97:28]
Raven
Amazing.
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Ed Maybry
Yeah.
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Raven
I can't, I can't wait for this to start. We're going to be a part of it. I'm excited to, I'm excited to kind of get back into. Because I feel like this is a form of church. We get to do it here for a little bit, but. But that's more of a form of church. And I was, I actually texted David. I was like, I'm going back to church.
- [97:45]
Ed Maybry
Yeah. Church is a community where you just, where you learn and grow with each other.
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Top Lobsta
Yeah. And that's why I'm looking forward to this. I hope, I hope that all the dangerous retards out there listening who kind of. Because a lot, A lot of the people that we've attracted on this show are also people that look to the, the organization as the church or of the church as being maybe not a place for them for one reason or another. So I hope that they'll join us on this because like I said, I will be there.
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Raven
And.
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Top Lobsta
And you said February 16, correct?
- [98:14]
Ed Maybry
Yeah. And they'll be recorded. So, you know, you'll. If you miss one, because I know it's. Not everyone can be there at every, at every time. You'll be able to go back. And if people who join later, if you join a few months from now, you can still go back and get it. We'll do it. You know, we'll do it this year, probably do the same thing next year, and then we'll see, you know, where we want to go from there. But I think we should at least do it, do this through the, through the Bible in one year for a couple years in a row. And, and you. And even if you go through this first time, go through it again. Because I learned something new every time. And I've been doing this for like five years, and each time it's, it's new stuff comes up. Just like, do you. The dream thing that I talked about earlier.
- [98:48]
Raven
So do you have your. The past years as well, still recorded some.
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Ed Maybry
I did. I didn't record. I recorded some of them. I didn't record all of them because I wanted to encourage people to show up live.
- [98:58]
Raven
Yeah.
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Ed Maybry
But this is a new venture. I mean, people are paying for it. So I, I don't want. Not I, I want because I want you have access to it because, you know, people are paying for the Patreon. So I don't want to say, hey, if you don't show up, you're going to miss out. When I was doing it just with, with my friends and family and community, I was like, if you guys don't show up, you're going to miss it. So I. So not recording. It wasn't a center for them to show up on this. On the third Sunday of The month.
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Raven
Got it. Okay, well, we have to do our call again. We will reschedule the call to do. To talk about the Patreon, because that should be linked to your private RSS Spotify feed. And it would be cool, like, maybe like three years. You've got 36 episodes of this, and you're able to catalog them and even put them one by one. People will go back and listen to this and see the differences, because I'm sure, like, it's going to be, you know.
- [99:43]
Ed Maybry
Oh, yeah.
- [99:44]
Raven
Year to year, things change. So. Yeah, well, I have.
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Ed Maybry
I have some. I probably have about maybe a couple dozen. Maybe a dozen that I recorded just to make just because I wanted to have them for reference. And I'll have to get permissions because I did it through Zoom. So they have people's faces there. So I just got to make sure they're okay, you know, with their faces.
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Raven
Yeah, do audio only. That's.
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Ed Maybry
That's true. Okay. Yeah, cool.
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Raven
We'll take what we can get. We're beggars, you know. Can't be choosers here, but. All right, Ed, thank you again. And so next week, we're going to be doing a recap. I am excited to get there, but until then. Oh, we'll be back in, like, 15 minutes with our next guest, John. I forgot his last name. But show up. We're going to talk about, you know, Trump and executive orders. It's going to be, like, really current stuff.
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Ed Maybry
I'm not tuned into that one.
- [100:31]
Raven
Yeah, it's going to be fun. But until then, 15 minutes. Don't forget to obey. Submit, comply. We'll see you guys later.
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Top Lobsta
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.
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Ed Maybry
A oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see to God, because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.