The Curse of Canaan w/ Ed Mabrie & Matt Hepner

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad: "The Curse of Canaan" w/ Ed Mabrie & Matt Hepner

Date: October 11, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta & David Lee Corbo (Raven)
Guests: Ed May (FaithByReason.net) & Matt Hepner

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad dives deep into interpretations of Biblically-rooted conspiracy theories, spiritual warfare, generational curses, and the enigmatic "Curse of Canaan" narrative in Genesis. The hosts are joined by frequent collaborator Ed May of FaithByReason.net and Matt Hepner, for an unsparing discussion interwoven with playful banter and blunt honesty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Spiritual Warfare & The Power of Words

[17:12–21:51]

• Ed May shares details of a recent appearance on "The Confessionals" podcast, focusing on spiritual warfare, the Nephilim, and the Elohim hierarchy.
• He discusses launching a spiritual warfare course, motivated by dealing with spiritual oppression:

  "I've been getting a lot of people talking about that... [about] spiritual warfare, spiritual oppression. So myself and John Lenhardt... are designing an entire curriculum."
  (05:10)

• The group explores how the spiritual and physical realms interact, especially through spoken words:

  "Our words resonate in the spiritual realm... Is called the correct definition of 'as above, so below.' Speak into one realm, it manifests in another."
  —Ed May (35:34)

• Matt brings in Daniel 10, where an angel tells Daniel "I came for your words" (19:16), illustrating how persistent prayer and speech affect supernatural outcomes.

2. Generational Curses and Spiritual Legalities

[31:44–37:25]

• Ed introduces the idea that spiritual covenants and generational curses can be inherited, but can be broken through specific, intentional repentance:

  “You could actually be paying the price, for things your ancestors did... But you have the remedy for it. You can go and repent of what an ancestor did.”
  (32:39)

• He shares personal experience of familial "spirit of lack," emphasizing the critical power of breaking negative spoken cycles.

3. The Nature of the Demonic – Focus and Proximity

[24:36–27:12]

• The hosts discuss the risks of focusing too heavily on the demonic.

  "Anybody you ever meet... where their focus is the demonic realm, weird stuff starts happening. You start bringing it on whether you want to or not."
  —Matt (24:58)

• Ed notes, while working on the spiritual warfare curriculum, he expects "the attacks to ramp up."

4. Biblical Authority, Elohim, and the Supernatural

[29:28–31:44]; [61:15–68:32]

• Ed clarifies that believers can access spiritual authority as "members of the Divine Council," citing Paul’s statement “we will judge angels."
• The division of nations after Babel is explored:

  "...He divided the nation into 70 based on his 70 Elohim on his council. Then you have Psalms 82, where he tells them... 'I put you over the nations... but you will die like men.'" —Ed (64:13)

• The origin and spread of the mother-child cult across world religions is mapped to the Tower of Babel narrative.

5. The Curse of Canaan: Interpreting Genesis 9

[39:09–55:43]

• The central topic: Why did Noah curse Canaan, and what did "seeing the nakedness" mean?
• Multiple Interpretations Highlighted:
  • "Tame" reading: Ham simply saw Noah's nakedness.
  • Dr. Michael Heiser's view: Ham raped his mother, resulting in Canaan, hence the curse.
  • Ed's own theory: Canaan himself committed a sexual act against Noah, which accounts for the curse's specificity.

    "Canaan... was having relations with a passed out Noah. And so when Noah woke up, he saw what was done... that’s why he cursed Canaan."
    —Ed (49:38)

  • All agree: The traditional interpretation cannot justify racist misappropriations regarding Ham's descendants.
• The hosts reflect on the power and permanence of generational blessing and cursing in biblical narrative.

6. Recurring Patterns, End Times, & Watchfulness

[74:51–80:06]

• The discussion turns to "rapture" predictions, with Ed cautioning against date-setting:

  "God didn’t let you down. The date setters did."
  (77:04)

• Matt underlines the biblical call to perpetual readiness, likening the Church to a bride preparing for an unexpected groom.

7. Genesis Deep Cuts: Leviathan, Tiamat, and the Chaotic Deep

[82:16–87:38]

• Ed explains that the "deep" (tehom) in Genesis 1:2 can be linguistically traced to the chaos monster Tiamat/Leviathan, linking biblical and Mesopotamian myth:

  “Darkness was on the face of this dragon... Leviathan... the word tehom is actually... Tiamat is a seven headed dragon.”
  (83:25)

• God's creative act is then re-cast as an act of subduing and ordering primordial chaos.

8. Salvation, Eternal Security, and Blasphemy

[92:58–99:44]

• The age-old "once saved, always saved" debate is briskly addressed:

  "You cannot lose your salvation because it was a gift, but you can turn away from it."
  —Ed (93:07)

• Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is understood as persistently denying Jesus's divinity—unpardonable not by God’s refusal to forgive, but by one's own refusal to believe.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Podcast Dynamics:

  "We're not easy people to be in a relationship with... I've definitely learned that over the time."
  —Raven (14:02)

• On Generational Words:

  "Our words resonate in the spiritual realm... You'll speak sickness into existence, you'll speak poverty."
  —Ed May (35:34)

• On Indoctrination and Conspiracy:

  "We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers... The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.”
  —Ed May quoting David Icke (00:35 – cold open)

• On Ritual Garments:

  "Well, what Doc does is... he manages to create this thread... it was on the ark with Noah and then eventually makes it all the way down to Joseph."
  —Raven (56:19)

• On Searching for Truth:

  "If you seek truth, you end up at Jesus, period."
  —Matt (70:16)

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Segment Timestamps

• [03:10] — Ed May introduces FaithByReason.net and new projects
• [09:53] — Discussion on Tony Merkel’s “The Confessionals” + spiritual warfare
• [17:12] — Deep dive: Nephilim, Elohim hierarchy, and spiritual authority
• [31:44] — Generational curses & courtroom metaphors
• [39:09] — Start of Curse of Canaan / Genesis exploration
• [49:38] — Ed’s theory: Canaan as perpetrator
• [56:09] — Speculation on the “garment” tradition from Noah to Joseph
• [61:15] — Deuteronomy 32, Babel, Elohim, and global false religions
• [74:51] — End-times readiness/rapture predictions
• [82:16] — Genesis 1:2, Leviathan/Tiamat, and cosmic chaos
• [92:58] — Once Saved Always Saved?
• [96:14] — Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit explained
• [101:10] — Q&A: Why India is "full of demons" (pantheons, Elohim)

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Tone & Style

The episode is characteristic for its irreverent but thoughtful Christian approach, balancing deep dives into scriptural context with punchy, candid humor:

• "We're sorry we're like this, all right? This is just who we are." —Raven (50:02)
• "The Bible's raw. It doesn't sugarcoat it." —Matt (51:42)
• Intermittent ribbing and jokes about podcasting, hot dog competitions, and even alpha brain supplements punctuate otherwise serious theological discourse.

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Conclusion

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad is essential listening for anyone interested in biblical conspiracy, supernatural worldview frameworks, and the layered enigmas of Genesis. Ed May stands out for his scholarly yet accessible delivery, while the hosts supply a healthy dose of skepticism, humor, and honest self-reflection.

For extended resources:

• Ed May: FaithByReason.net | Patreon: faithbyreason

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Ed May]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous. Oh yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

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[Ed May]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Ed May]

Welcome to the end of days.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Everybody is slaves.

[Ed May]

Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the air.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

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[Ed May]

Pick. Pick a shirt.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Pick one. No pressure. Pick one right now.

[Top Lobster]

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[Ed May]

Wow.

[Matt]

All right.

[Top Lobster]

Why not?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That was low effort, but yeah, great shirt. And it's hyper relevant. And check that out, guys. He's back. It's every single time we talk to him, I go, it's been too long since we talked to him. Yeah, it's just a week he's been on. Is it?

[Ed May]

No, it's been like I was going to be on last week and I think we had a little scheduling issue. I forgot what it was.

[Top Lobster]

Yes, I remember what it was. David decided to go to Disneyland.

[Matt]

Oh.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I had to go to Disney World. See what the enemy is doing.

[Ed May]

See his frozen head somewhere?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I didn't see his frozen head, but I spent a lot of time in the tunnels. I freed as many children as possible. Ed, it's good to see you, man. What have you been up to? Well, actually, no, before we even get into that, where can people find you?

[Ed May]

Yeah, so main website is faithbyreason.net so, like, that's my site I've been doing for a really long time. Tons of information there. If you become a member, you get access to all of it. If you, you know, there's. There's some. There's free stuff there, but a lot of it's going behind the paywall just for my members. The whole Revelation series, the Genesis series is there. You get, you know, get books and hopefully some merch soon. I'm working out some things with Top, actually, he's designing some stuff for me, really cool stuff. And so you'll get all that there. And then you can also go where I would love for you to go, to my Patreon, mostly because that's where I'm the most active, where I'm answering questions and doing things like that. So you get bonus episodes. You get the episodes dropped there first. You also get the same Revelation series. You'll get the Genesis series that I'm working on. I'm way behind on, but you'll get that there as well. Q and A's. I put those up when I get enough questions. And you can. You can also be a part of my monthly Bible study where we go through the entire Bible in a year monthly, from the spiritual point of view. So we're going behind the scenes looking at things not from the. Not from the human point of view, but from God's point of view and from what's going on in the spiritual realm with the angels, the Elohim, the Nephilim, all that kind of good stuff. And actually, right now, we are. We just wrapped up our series on Jesus that we did two months on Jesus, and now we're doing two months on the church for October and November. Looking at it again, all the supernatural stuff going on there, how, you know, Satan thought he had won when he killed Jesus, but instead, Jesus rises again, and he made a whole bunch of duplicates of himself. So now they. They made it worse for themselves. We're going over that aspect of it. And, yeah, I'm also working on, by popular demand, a spiritual warfare course. I've been getting a lot of people talking about that. They're dealing with a lot of spiritual warfare, spiritual oppression. And so myself and John Lenhardt, who you. Who's been on the show with me before, he and I are designing an entire curriculum that you'll be able to sign up for. It'll be early next year shooting for Q1, because we want to have. Make sure we have all of our ducks in a row, that we'll have video material, written material, and then there'll be monthly live classes where we'll do some. Well, John and I will do teaching, and you can ask us questions, but you'll be able to download all the course material. And we're developing that right now. So that's something new I hadn't even talked to you guys about before is actually something that I kind of got the impetus from when I was on Tony Merkel's show. We recorded it last month.

[Top Lobster]

Huge flex. Also run these ideas by us beforehand. A little weird that you would just go ahead and do things like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I know. I was hoping, like. I thought we were, like, kind of on a consultant.

[Ed May]

I know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Cool stuff like that.

[Ed May]

Yeah, we were actually struck and, you.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Know, and forgot about us.

[Ed May]

Actually, I did not forget about you guys. We actually had a long conversation about YouTube. Oh, no, no, no, no. It was. It was. It was all good, I promise. Because I was.

[Top Lobster]

I was told, Come on.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Come on, man. Yeah, let's say we're gonna introduce you to Matt, by the way, before we get started, I want to shout out the standard coffee shop. That's where we are. For those of the viewers. And I know, Ed, you were a little taken aback because it's like every time you talk to us, we're in a different location. This is a standard coffee shop.

[Top Lobster]

Where are you guys right now?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

If you're in the vil part of Ocala area, you're looking for a really good coffee, but you're also looking for someplace that shares your values. It's an awesome place. Coffee shop up front, Christian library in the back, some place in the middle. Schizophrenic podcast. So very cool. I just want to, you know, we got to kind of get in the habit of doing that because we're showing new looks to people. They don't know what they have to say.

[Top Lobster]

Like, live from the standard coffee.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Live from the standard coffee Shop. Matt's gonna join us in a little bit, but.

[Ed May]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I just wanted to get that out of the way before we got conversation.

[Top Lobster]

We were, I was talking with John Lenhart in an email. Chain gave him the calendly. So he should be booking again fairly recently.

[Ed May]

Yeah, he, he wants to, he wants to do it in early November. I was talking to him like a couple days ago because he wants to have all like him, myself and Jason, the, the other guests all on in early November because they're trying to, they want to finish out a schedule of shows that they're currently doing so that they can make sure that, you know, the guests who are watching can like get access to all the content because they're on season two of like a little podcast thing that they're doing and they want to have all that information out and then they want to talk about it and then people can go and, and look at and download all that content.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay.

[Ed May]

All right, so yeah, look for something like first, second week of November.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Where do we, where do we start?

[Top Lobster]

It's been, it's been. I feel like it's been years.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It has been years.

[Top Lobster]

Can we start?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Clearly been busy doing cool stuff without us.

[Top Lobster]

Can you spoil the whole, just spoil, spoil the whole thing with time is.

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[Top Lobster]

Tony Merkel, the whole episode.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Exactly what happened? Exactly what you dropped.

[Ed May]

So yeah, so he flew me out to Knoxville, which is eastern. I've been to like Nashville and Memphis west part. It's first time in Knoxville, so that was very different. They were telling me the difference between east and West Tennessee. I think like the west part is very progressive or not very progressive. It's more progressive. Than the east side is like a little more culturally conservative. So that was interesting. But, you know, go to a studio, really cool spot I'm there with, with Joel Thomas, another one of his frequent guests. And we. The first show we do is, you know, back to the little season stuff because I think Joel had been on Tony to do a show about it. And Tony was like, I don't know, this isn't really my thing. I don't know how important it is or how. But then I think he started to see how prevalent it has become in the community. And so Joel and I kind of went. We did like, wow, almost three, two. Yeah, we did a good two hours just going over all of the issues and errors with it. But again with the message of, you know, we're not trying to put anyone down, we understand why people believe it, but we wanted to make sure that they're not being deceived. That's really the whole point of it. Don't be deceived by this. And don't think the gods abandoned you. I mean, we talked about this ad nauseam. Then the next day we. It was just a one on one, Tony and I, and we were really focusing on the spiritual realm a little bit on spiritual warfare, which is kind of how the whole idea of the class came about. Because Tony was saying, yeah, you know, a lot of his listeners would be interested in something like that. So instead of me just, you know, pussyfooting around on it, that was my impetus to say, you know what, I need to make a formal class and not just, you know, put up a post here and there, but actually do something formal so that people can really get the full benefit of it. Yeah, it was, it was a great time.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That was an intense moment for, for, for Matt to hop on and he.

[Top Lobster]

Put his ears in and here's a pussy pudding.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And I told you that Ed May doesn't play any games.

[Matt]

No, I love. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And you weren't sure and now let it be known. Can I.

[Matt]

Can I just ask.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no, no. Okay, just don't jump in.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Whatever. Don't start posting.

[Matt]

Wait, does all my stuff work?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, all your stuff works. Ed, this is Matt. Since you abandoned us.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You know, we found a new friend to play with. And, and, and you're actually going to meet him soon when you come down early March to do the Bohemian Grove VIP day in Bohemian Grove. But, uh, he's the owner of the Standard Coffee Shop and the guy who basically sort of made a front for a Christian library. He said, I Want a Christian library? You don't really open one of those. I know what I'll do. I'll lie to the people. I'll tell them it's about coffee and then I'll get them in the back to learn about Christianity. Please say, say hi to Ed May. Remat Ed.

[Matt]

So I've been asking these guys for three months just to ask you what town you're from.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, there you go. Yeah, that was actually on the list today. We had that. We keep forgetting.

[Ed May]

Yeah. Asking where I am now or where I grew up.

[Matt]

No, where you're like born and raised at.

[Ed May]

Oh, I was born and raised in la and basically I live with my grandparents in South Central LA until I was 13 there. Moved into with my, my mom in Inglewood. So.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, these guys said you're from like Oakland, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, Well, I mean, I don't know where.

[Top Lobster]

California.

[Ed May]

Well, now I'm in Northern California now. I moved up, I moved up to Northern California in 05.

[Matt]

Okay, what town do you live in now?

[Ed May]

Right. You want me to dox myself?

[Matt]

Oh, my bad, my bad.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You don't understand.

[Matt]

Anyway, I'm from Livermore. I don't know if you're anywhere near.

[Ed May]

Yeah, I know Liver. Actually, I'm in, I, I'm, I'm in Marin county. So right over the Gold.

[Matt]

Like North Bay.

[Ed May]

Yeah, North Bay.

[Matt]

That's sweet.

[Ed May]

Yeah. So right over the go, a little bit of connectivity. I'm about 15 minutes north of San Francisco.

[Matt]

Yo, that's beautiful there, dude. That's like.

[Ed May]

Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's not quite.

[Matt]

You're incredibly wealthy.

[Ed May]

That's awesome, man.

[Matt]

No, that's, that's sweet, bro. I love this guy. I love the Genesis.

[Top Lobster]

All right, so this is what happened here. He went, he just got on a.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Major show much bigger than our show.

[Top Lobster]

Much bigger than our show. It's the show that me and David met on, technically.

[Matt]

Yeah. What's the show?

[Top Lobster]

It's called the Confessionals with Tony Merkel.

[Ed May]

Yeah, right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We told you about it the other day. It's a testimony based show. People have supernatural experiences. They go on Tony's show, they unpack them. What started off as Bigfoot stories evolves into something else. And then, you know, it's it.

[Matt]

I thought you were talking about the lady, the German chancellor. Merkel. Tony Merkel. Okay, different lady.

[Top Lobster]

Very nice lady.

[Matt]

Okay, got it.

[Ed May]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So, so, so, Ed, you, you now. I, I'm sorry, but I have to ask a little bit.

[Top Lobster]

No, he's gonna ask about us.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Does he like us. Does Tony Merkel.

[Ed May]

Okay, yes. Yes, he actually does. He says. So actually, a Joel brought you up because he was like, you know, and you. Wrong. You've been on the show for a while. And I was like, I'm surprised because, you know, they're into, like, really raunchy comedy, and they were doing all these things. I said, you know what? I actually met them before I saw their comedy of all that. So. And I intentionally didn't watch any of their comedy because people told me, said, just, they're cool guys with. You don't. Don't get in. Your comic may get offended. I'm like, okay, fine.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but that's the point of it.

[Ed May]

Yeah, but. But what he totally say. He says he thinks you guys are like little brothers. And he.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He.

[Ed May]

And I was telling him that, you know, these guys, they're. They're totally. They're evolving. They are. You know, they're rough around the edges. Like, tower gang isn't happening anymore. I didn't give all the details about, you know, what happened with that, but what I said is, like, you know, these guys are sincere. You know, I. I witnessed their growth and, like, the year that I've been working with them, and, you know, they're. They're. They're good guys. They're sincere guys. And. And he was like, yeah, that's good to hear. And he says, you know, and I could consider them professionally, like little brother. So he was like, totally down.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, I also ignore my siblings, so that's good to know.

[Matt]

I find myself defending these guys a lot, too, Ed. So I can totally. Exactly the same thing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We're not easy people to. To be in a relationship with, and I think that that's. I'm beginning to understand that. Or I've. I've definitely learned that over the time. Don't touch wires anymore. So. All right.

[Ed May]

Yeah, we talked about a lot of people in the podcasting world, like, because he obviously knows more, way more than me about who's real and who's fake, and you guys were in the real category. Oh.

[Matt]

Oh, bro.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's pretty.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I guess that's good. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

It's always sideways stuff from either you or, apparently, Tony Merkel.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I think it's all deserved, though. I understand where they're coming from. Look, I want to talk about something a little bit.

[Top Lobster]

Enough about important.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, I know that. I got that.

[Top Lobster]

So you.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You.

[Top Lobster]

We were. We were, like, baffled. We're like, he's gonna set Ed up on a debate about the Little Season?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

With who?

[Top Lobster]

Because, like, we know the people for the little Season debate, and it turns out it was Joel Thomas. Huh?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

What wasn't a debate. Yeah, he. He clarified that to me, like, a week before because I was. I was prepping for a debate, and so I just asked, like, who am I going to be on with? Because I want to at least know what are. He says, no, it's not. He. You know, he didn't want to do a debate. He just really wanted to. He wanted to understand it because I. You know, because Tony, by his own admission, isn't like, really huge into eschatology, so he wanted to really understand it and understand, like, what the issues are with it. So that's what. That's how we. We approached it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay. All right. Yeah.

[Matt]

So Ed is definitely. You're not Little Season, but you were gonna go discuss the conversation with the dude debate.

[Top Lobster]

He wrote a book about, like, debunking the Little Season.

[Matt]

Yeah, the Little Season. I never even heard of it until I was hanging out with these guys. I was like, wait, what?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, I'm not gonna lie. While Ed was away, and this is why it's important, Ed, for you to stay in our lives and stop going and hanging out with cooler people. We had people on the show that, like, we didn't know they were going to talk about it. Next thing you know, he's like, let me tell you something. I'm kind of into the Little season. And we're like, all right, you're already here. Like, let's talk about.

[Top Lobster]

It's like you meet. You meet a friend.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And it's like, you guys are cool. And they're like, I smoke crack secret.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And you're like, oh, man.

[Ed May]

No.

[Matt]

They get mad. The little guys get mad. I'm happy to hear what you're saying, but we don't have to get mad about it.

[Ed May]

I've been called all kinds of names until I've been accused of, like, being working for the Rothschilds and all this kind of stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, we get that all the time, too.

[Ed May]

If that were true, they need to pay better. I mean, I. I need my. Where's my yacht? Seriously?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I think the funds are drying up.

[Ed May]

Where's my Diddy party?

[Top Lobster]

Where's my wallpaper?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, no, that's where all the funds went. It's wallpaper.

[Top Lobster]

Day one, Little Season roundtable with Joel Thomas. I. I'm excited to hear that. Day two, I think, is going to be really.

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[Top Lobster]

The bread and butter from. For what you do. So you're just end times eschatology. You're talking about spiritual warfare with them.

[Ed May]

Yeah, we talk about, about my first book about the false apocalypse where I, you know, my interpretation of the, of the, the gen. Excuse me, Revelation chapter 6 with the first six seals being open. We talked about that. Then we got in deep into like Nephilim stuff and what, you know, what they're all about. And we, we, we did a dive into, into the whole Elohim realm and like the rank and the hierarchy of the different types of Elohim and you know, demons versus fallen angels versus. And then we talked about, you know, the, the ones that present as female like Lilith and the succubi and things like that. And he. So we, we went really deep into that and we talked about, you know, how to battle these things and what, and what you need to do and the power that you have through Christ that, you know, most Christians either don't know about or don't know how to use. And that's when we got into the whole spiritual warfare aspect of it. And yeah, we, we went through a lot with a ton of stuff there and we went all over the place. It was really more of. It was, it was like a, like a little, a cafeteria. You got a cafeteria plan. You got a little bit of everything. But like we didn't go too deep on any one thing, but we were really focused on the spiritual realm.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Sometimes those are the best conversations though, if you're getting there organically because all these things do lead to one another. Yeah, those are some of the most fun. The spiritual warfare thing has been heavy. I mean, I know you have like a. Don't we have that like it's in a PDF version from Spiritual Warfare Prayer. It's like 38 pages worth of or something that it's like, it's pretty long. It covers all the bases.

[Ed May]

It covers everything like from you know, your personal battles to if he gets into your computer system, like he's just casting the Satan out of every place and It's. Yeah, you guys have the PDF and it's also on faithbyreason.net at the top because again, I get a lot of people who are saying I'm under oppression. And here's the thing that our words can absolutely affect the spiritual realm. We know this. I mean, we, I know you've had people on this show on all kinds of, of shows of, of truth. Truth shows where people will say, I, I was oppressed and then I said the word Jesus and they just fled. Yeah, so that's. Go ahead.

[Matt]

Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

There's a little bit of latency sometimes.

[Matt]

We, we're in Daniel and we're just getting into that part where the angel shows up and he tells Daniel, I came for your words. Yeah, I heard you 21 days ago. And you know, I got held up by the Prince of Persia. Michael got me through, but I'm here now and I came for your words.

[Ed May]

Exactly. I mean, imagine, imagine if Daniel had gotten, got tired and stopped praying at day 19 with that angel, have made it through. And then there's, there's the, the, the story, the narrative in the Gospels where Jesus, you know, he's casting out, he's casting these demons out. He does it, you know, pretty, pretty readily. But then he gave his disciples that power. But then some of them came back and they said, look, you know, Jesus, we tried, but we couldn't, we couldn't get this one out. And Jesus said, well, this one only comes out through prayer and fasting. Meaning just so there, there are different ranks, there are different hierarchies. And if you're dealing with like a major league fallen angel or demon, then just saying Jesus isn't going to do it. You're going to have to do more. You're going to have to be in the right headspace. You're going to have to have your ducks in a row. You're going to have to be really focused. Well, you know, prayer and fasting. Then there are other times where Jesus tried to cast. He didn't try. He was, He. He told a guy, the Legion, the, the, the, the thousands of demons that were in this one guy. And first Jesus says, come out of him. Nothing happens. Then Jesus says, what is your name? And he says, I'm called Legion. And then Jesus cast him out. So there's something about knowing the names of these entities that, that, that give some kind, that there's like a covenant aspect of, of having a name. And I think Tony and I talked a little bit about that. But even Jesus had to have, he couldn't just say get out. Oh, that didn't work. What's your name? And he has, he compelled him, he told him his name. Okay, now you can go. Now you gotta go. So, yeah, the point is that, you know, sometimes just saying the name Jesus will work. Sometimes you've had people who are in sleep paralysis and they think Jesus try to yell them out and nothing happens. And that's because you're dealing with an even more powerful entity. So there are ranks and hierarchies and you need to know where. You have to, you have the power through Jesus, but you also have, it's like, you know, if, if you know karate but you don't practice it well, you're still going to get your butt kicked. So you have to know you may have the ability. The way I relate it is, let's say, you know, if we're, we're adults, we're adult males, let's say a 10 year old kid comes and attacks us. Well, of course you're going to pick him up and throw him somewhere. He's going to. Kid doesn't have a chance. You have the power. But if you don't know what you're doing, let's say that kid knows karate and you just curl up in the corner because you think you have no power. That kid's gonna kick your tail. Not because he's stronger than you, but because you don't know what you're doing. And maybe he's a little stronger than you thought he was. But you have, you're still the adult. He's still 10 years old. You just have to know what to do.

[Top Lobster]

Did you, when you were in with Merkel? Because I, Merkel's the kind of guy that is dealing with this stuff on a crazy level. And I think because of the nature of his show, he's, he's inviting and talking to people that are giving their testimonies about this. So it's almost like an open door.

[Matt]

To opening himself up to more of it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, in a way. In a way. I actually had a conversation with him about that and I was asking him like, do you think that that's like opening up for more, like, more attack? Like should, should you be doing, should you be doing documentaries, going out looking for these things?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't know if that, like, that's such an, to me it seems like such an obvious answer. I'm looking right now for this tweet that I, I made earlier. I found this hilarious. It's, it's Hilarious. David's kind of frustrating.

[Top Lobster]

He's like. He's like, yeah, no, we should definitely go out there. And then there's like, a customer in the shop who's like, I'm a fan of the show. And he's like, I don't want to talk to this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's not true. I love talking to the fans of the show. That's huge. I. I enjoy it. No, look, did you.

[Top Lobster]

Did you get the feeling that. That Merkel is, like, kind of, like, overwhelmed with this stuff? Because sometimes I'm. I'm listening to the show and I'm like, I don't know, man.

[Ed May]

I. I think it can get that way. We talked about it. I think he did. He was doing like, three shows that week, and he was. And he's writing a book, which I think was. He had a deadline that he. I actually told him some of my tips because I, I got my book out pretty quickly, and AI helped with that with, like, you know, framing it and whatnot. But, yeah, I know he's really busy, and I think he wants to cut back a little bit because it is overwhelming. It's exhausting. Even though you're just talking, you know, doing this. And he. One thing, One thing he mentioned, you know, he was. He was. He came from a. Pennsylvania, the Philadelphia area, and he came out to Tennessee, and I believe God drew him there because there's so much crazy supernatural stuff happening that way. So I think he was, like, literally brought by God to this area because God needed a warrior there. He needed someone there who was going to represent his side. And you wouldn't think necessarily Tennessee, you know, Bible bell, they should be covered. But no, apparently there's a lot of supernatural activity. Joel was talking about the same thing because he does, you know, some similar stuff with his show and his ministry.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I think that, you know, it's one thing to say is Tony inviting something, but what I have here is, is it's kind of silly, but I, I think it's important, and it's. That you don't really need to invite much of anything for. For these, I guess, like pagans or witches to. To be doing something to you. I. I have here. So this is somebody who has an entire altar to Hecate, who is the. The right hand of Hades, you know, kind of the goddess of the underworld. When you see that kind of triple moon symbol that they use really often is a crescent moon, full moon, crescent moon. That's like the, The. The.

[Matt]

The.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The maiden, the mother in the. In the crone those are the keys of Hecate. This is all. This woman is praying to Hecate to make her ex bald. So my point is, it's like, is. Is Tony Merkel inviting something by going out into the woods, by making these documentaries, by making this podcast, by drawing attention to this negative aspect of this. Of the spiritual realm? Yeah, dude.

[Matt]

I think in general, like, people, anybody you ever meet, that their focus is the demonic. I don't know this dude. He sounds like a really nice guy. But I'm just saying, like, anybody you ever meet in Christian circles or whatever, where their focus is the demonic realm, weird stuff starts happening.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You start bringing it on whether you're wanting to or not. Like, whatever you're talking about, like, you're saying your words have power, whatever you're talking about, and focusing on that stuff shows up, man. That's why, like, the focus of our ministry is always Christ. And then of course, around that, we deal with the demonic, we deal with the supernatural, we deal with everything else. But, like, when the focus is the demonic, always with those folks, weird stuff happens, man.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

Yeah. I mean, I know that when I'm doing this curriculum, when I'm. When I'm creating the curriculum for this spiritual warfare class, I know I've got to stay prayed up because I know it's. Now I'm going to be getting their focus because they're like, you know, we don't want people knowing this. We don't want people knowing how to have power over us. So I'm expecting, you know, to. To. For the attacks to ramp up.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, well, people will say, even when they get, like, if you get baptized or something, or if you just make this proclamation that. That Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, like that in that moment, sometimes people will report. And then weird stuff started happening. So it's like, I think we're all engaged, and this seems pretty obvious. We're all engaged in, like, spiritual warfare. If you're standing in the middle, that's preferable to the other side. But if you pick a side, now you're engaged and now, so. So if you're standing in the middle, there's probably not much of a. Of a reason to screw with you. You know what I mean? It's like he's not picked aside. This person's not engaged in the war. He's not decided that Jesus Christ is the way. Let's leave him alone. The second you make that proclamation, or you. Or you dedicate yourself in that direction. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's you getting saved and you realizing the truth. It's also you stepping on the playing field.

[Ed May]

Exactly. Because in the middle, you're lukewarm. And Jesus said, you know, I, I wish you look, I wish you were hot or cold, but because you look warm, I'm gonna, you make me sick. I'm gonna vomit you out. And the reason that he says that is because God cannot interact with you. And when you haven't taken a side, you know, if you, if you, if you take the wrong, he'd rather you be bad for me. At least when you're. Can you hear me?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm sorry to interrupt. Ed, we're having a little bit of an issue with the Internet. Can you refresh your browser and just come right back in? We'll see if that fixes it. I don't know if the audience is hearing it, but we're hearing it, and we're, we're losing a lot of what you're saying. Just refresh the browser and hop back in.

[Ed May]

All right. Okay. I'll be right back.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I know that, like, because it's, you know, I, I, I didn't come through Christianity even, Even through the Bible. Right. I came through realizing it because of, like, supernatural things that happen. But don't you feel like there's some, like, you shouldn't be looking at the demonic face all the time?

[Matt]

What do you mean you got into Christianity? Not through the Bible? I didn't have. Yeah, you didn't really get in. Like, what are you talking about?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, no, I mean, like, that's how I got there, was realizing, like, oh, this demonic thing that's haunting me and my family means that Jesus Christ is real.

[Matt]

So now you're reading a Bible regularly? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's the way it happened for me. I love that he doesn't think that I am. I, I, I've been reading Ecclesiastes. Now I have to read Job, and I've been pronouncing it Job for most of my life.

[Matt]

I see no problem with that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, I mean, you said not to jump around, and I don't know if it's, if it's all right to jump around, but I'm just reading what I feel like reading. I was going to read Isaiah, and then somebody was just like, that's not chronological. So you go, Genesis, Exodus.

[Matt]

You would do well to read it. Just straight through. You would do well. Yeah, because that way you're not jumping around and crazy whenever you feel.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But that's what, that's what got me there. That's what got me there. I had this harrowing experience. I said, okay, this is. If this is real, then the other side is real. And that's what led me there. I know you want to make faces about it. I can see it. Okay. We got Ed back.

[Matt]

Well, no, you just didn't get into Christianity through the Bible, so.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah, I got into Christianity because I was through the back door. That's right. I came to the back door.

[Top Lobster]

Kind of strange.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right, let's hear it. Ed, are you all right? Yeah, yeah.

[Ed May]

Can you hear me? Okay? A little bit better?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yes, yes.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't know what the heck is going on.

[Matt]

So, Ed, as far as, like, a.

[Ed May]

Few windows, maybe, was that. Maybe that was it could be.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It could be. It.

[Ed May]

Okay.

[Matt]

Being on the fence. Like, this is a thing with baptism, too. Like, if we look at the story where Philip baptizes the Ethiopian eunuch, right? Like, he doesn't say, hey, bro, we'll wait till the next show and we'll get some music and we'll have this big thing, and then we'll do the baptism in front of everybody. Like, no, it doesn't matter if there's any humans around. Like, some people mess that up. They're like, baptism is just an outward expression of an inward truth. It's like, no, no, it's. It can be that, but it's much more than that. And so even though they're in the middle of the desert with nobody around, it's a witness to the entire spirit realm which team he's on now.

[Ed May]

Right? The cloud of witnesses, as Paul talks about it. So we're not just being observed by our. Our, you know, our human peers. You know, there are Elohim watching us, watching everything we do, and not just because they're being voyeuristic, but because they're learning. They don't. They didn't know all of God's plan. They didn't know that Jesus was going to come and die on the cross. They had no idea. Neither the good Elohim or the bad ones, they.

[Top Lobster]

They were.

[Ed May]

They're following God, but they. They're amazed by us because we have. Because of our free will, they don't know what we're going to do. So I think they are fascinated by us. But not only that, but they are our witnesses. Literally, like when we. I'm getting a little bit off topic, but let's say you. You can. You, as a Christian, you can enter into the throne room of God, into his courtroom. You have that right. Now, because Jesus gave you that right, which is the same right that Adam and Eve had. They were on the divine council back in the Garden of Eden. They could come before God. God will walk with him. Of course, they lost that with original sin. We gained it back. My point is that when we can go into the courts of heaven and present a case against a demonic entity, and we have witnesses because they've been watching our whole lives, so they are witnesses on our behalf, as is the Holy Spirit. So they're a cloud of witnesses. They're observing us, but they're also our spiritual witnesses. You know, Paul says that we will judge angels, we will judge the Elohim. Oh, okay. I don't know if I'm still here, if I lost you guys.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The entire thing.

[Top Lobster]

All right, we're trying here. I'm sorry, we made.

[Ed May]

Was that me or was that on my side or your side?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, I think it's on. On our side. One of the things we have to do here is like upgrade the Internet. But are we good now? It was. Don't worry. It wasn't a stab.

[Top Lobster]

We'll see.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We'll see. It wasn't. I'm just saying that's. That's. What's happening here is. Is we're having a little bit of Internet.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

I should have done the spiritual warfare prayer for the. For the computer system.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's exactly what it is. Yeah, that's exactly.

[Matt]

So.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So before we cut off, you were saying that. That we have. Have, you know, all these Elohim and everything, witnessing. Because they don't know, and they're surprised by us and our free will and the decisions that we're making here and that. And then we kind of lost you after that.

[Ed May]

Yeah. So they're. They're learning about us, and they're. They're learning about God, more of God's nature through us. Because, again, we are. We're kind of. Where is. No, we're. I would call us an experiment, but we. We are something new, relatively speaking. And they're. They. They are finding out God's plan as we're finding out. He's unveiling. He's unveiling it to them as well. We have this idea that they know everything. No, they don't. They're learning. And. And, you know, they. They appreciate us as part of his creation, but they're fascinated by us. And what I brought up before. I don't know if I cut out about before this, but, you know, we have the authority to come into the courtroom of of the heavens. And they are not only witnesses to us as. As people who are as beings that are observing us, but they can be actual, literal witness to the courts of heaven. Because it's something I've been learning recently. And also with the spiritual warfare aspect, you know, these things called generational curses that you could actually be paying the price for lack of a better term, for things that your ancestors did. Ancestors did for four generations. You may say, okay, that seems unfair, and technically it is, because you didn't do it. But it's being visited upon you. But you have the remedy for it. You can go and repent of what an ancestor did and say, I'm repenting on their behalf, and I'm repenting of everything I've done. In agreement with that spirit. Let's say, you know, good example is growing up. My mother and my grandmother were always. My grandmother passed away, My mother's still with us. But they would always have the spirit of lack around them, say, oh, you know, nothing ever works out. You know, you got to struggle for everything. You know, we're just doomed to be in poverty all the time. And. Can you guys hear me?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ed May]

Okay.

[Matt]

Poverty.

[Ed May]

Yeah. And so when you do that, you are speaking your words. We were talking about this before, Matt. Words are. Are containers of information that go into the. The. The heavenly realms. And so they are making. They are sinning by essentially not believing in God, not believing that God will provide for them. And that actually can give a fallen Elohim the right to. That can. That can form a covenant with them. They can say, okay, we. You've spoken this into existence. You have. You have spoken against God. You've got that he will provide everything. And you're saying, you know, I'll be in lack. Great. Now I have a covenant against you. And that covenant can. Lasted for generations. But I can repent on their behalf and then break that off of me so that I don't have that. That curse of lack. But we go, brother, excuse me.

[Matt]

That's so true with poverty, with sickness. Like, you, like, you get around some families and like, they get in a circle and they're just chilling and they just start talking about being sick. Yeah. And they're taking Tylenol.

[Top Lobster]

This is my family.

[Matt]

This is, like, around people, they're just talking about being sick. I'm like, what are we talking about?

[Top Lobster]

So, yeah, this woman, her entire life, like, that's why you get on the idea of manifestation. It's like a new age idea. But she says, she'll say, Something like Titi Linda.

[Matt]

You've met her before?

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

She'll be like, my roof, my roof, my roof. And. And my rattle.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's like the repetition of it is like a yell.

[Top Lobster]

My dad will go check the roof. He's like, your roof?

[Ed May]

They.

[Top Lobster]

We used to live in a house that was connected, like in. In Coney Island. It was just like her house, our house.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, like a duplex?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, it was a whole row of houses. That's how they built them. Okay, so she just. My roof, my roof. They said, my roof. And my dad will go up on the roof and he'll say, your roof is fine. And then like a month later.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Why is she.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, a month later, her roof is leaking. And it's just like you are asking. She's like, my water heater. They said every 10 years, my water heat. And then boom, your water heater goes. It's like. You're like saying this thing.

[Ed May]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't say, like, oh, I'm. I'm sick. Anytime I get.

[Top Lobster]

I say the weather.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Every time I get a little under the weather, I go, nah, it's almost over. I'm on the tail end of it. Every time. Every time. You know, our.

[Ed May]

Our words resonate in the spiritual realm. I know we've talked about this before. It's called the. The correct definition of as above, so below. What it means is, though you speak into one realm, it manifests in the other realm.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Realm.

[Ed May]

That's how God created the world. He spoke in the spiritual realm. It manifested physically. We can speak and our words resonate in the spiritual realm. And we don't. And if you don't know this, then you'll. Yeah, you'll speak your roof leaking. You'll speak sickness into. Into existence. You'll speak poverty. And if you do it over and over again, then you're. You're basically saying, this has already happened in the spiritual realm, and that means it's going to manifest physically. And that also, again, gives some of these entities the legal right, because God is very legal. He does things in a. I don't say legalistic, because that sounds negative, but he does things according to covenants, and he respects covenants. He creates them. He respects them. And so if. If your words have formed a. Inadvertently formed a covenant with a fallen entity, that covenant can be broken through Jesus. But you have to. First, you have to intentionally go before the courts and say, this covenant is on me. I have the right through Jesus to break it. I repent of anything that was done. That that causes this covenant to be there. And God, I. I go come before you not as father, but as judge, and rip it up in the name of Jesus. But again, the reason. The reason we got on that was the whole angel thing. The angels, they're your witnesses, and you can even ask them. You can ask the Holy Spirit. You know, I don't know what they did. I just know that there's this covenant on me. It's covenant of lack of sickness, of whatever. And maybe someone did it in my past. You got you the holy spiritual witness, the Elohim. You guys are witnesses. And on. On. And if you want to give me the name of the demon, I'll rebuke it. If you don't, then I will trust you, Holy Spirit, as my comforter, as my advocate on my behalf. You know, cast this thing out, break this covenant, and keep stepping.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I. You know, while you were gone, you. You. You missed some dreams. I had some dreams.

[Ed May]

Oh, okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. And. And in one of the dreams, I'd rather do this.

[Top Lobster]

I'd rather. There are like 40. We're supposed to do a little bit of Genesis, but there are 40 questions.

[Ed May]

Here to next time.

[Matt]

What. What chapter of Genesis were we in?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, my God. It's been like we were.

[Top Lobster]

We were going to talk about the curse of Ham. Is that where.

[Ed May]

Yeah, we're going to talk about.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, we did have one question in the chat, and they said, no, no, not the chat.

[Top Lobster]

We're doing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, they did say something. They said, wait, wait.

[Matt]

So when Noah went to curse Canaan, that's what we were gonna get into?

[Ed May]

Yeah, but we can do it. We can do it another time. I mean, it's another time.

[Matt]

Another time.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I think we. Is it. All right, all right, you know what? I'll tell these people to shove off, and we'll do that, I think.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

It's up to you guys. I'm. I'm totally down for it. I want to do some questions.

[Matt]

I'm intrigued to see how Ed of break that down, because that's a pretty wild story. That's a really wild story.

[Ed May]

It is.

[Top Lobster]

First off, the only reason I started this thread was to remind myself there's a guy named Daniel in our Patreon. His wife is going through something. He asked for prayer.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So, yeah, let's keep him in prayer.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's. What. What's his wife going through?

[Top Lobster]

It's. They're waiting for a diagnosis on cancer.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, it's a biopsy. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Something like that. So, yeah, that's the reason I started this. And then, boom, they just. It just got out of questions, people. Someone says, no questions. Just let Ed know he's appreciated. Okay, Very good.

[Ed May]

Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I don't want to ask questions. I want to talk about this right now.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Fine, let's talk about it.

[Ed May]

We'll save the question for next time then, and we'll get into it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right.

[Ed May]

Yeah, let's do that. Okay. All right, so sip of water first. This is deep. Okay, so just, you know, Matt.

[Matt]

Yeah. The curse of Ham. Yeah.

[Ed May]

Right.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's gonna get offensive.

[Ed May]

All right.

[Top Lobster]

All right.

[Ed May]

Yeah, it can, because there's some interesting interpretations, and I want to talk about a few of them, and I'll just kind of tell you where I land on it. But just so you know, Matt, I'm. I'm doing a series on Rebel on. On Genesis. I'm going through it step by step, but with these guys, it's kind of. We just throw out ideas, and I talk about some of the things that are controversial that I haven't gotten to yet in my. That actual series. So if anyone is going to the series looking for the ham, I haven't. I haven't gotten there yet. I'm still with. I'm still on Adam and Eve and Creation right now, but we. We talk about. We talked about Nimrod and other stuff like that. Whoops. Hit my mic. So. So here, the scenario is that, you know, we. We have the great flood. No. Dries up Noah's and his family, and the animals come off the ark, and Noah becomes a husbandman. He come. He comes. He's growing. He's growing crops, and he grows grapes, and he makes wine. He's, you know, not. Not. I'm not mad at him for that. I'm, you know, big fan of wine myself, being up here near. Near Napa and Sonoma. But he was. He was drunk. It says he was drunk. He got drunk in his tent, and he was uncovered in his tent. And then. And so this is where you have to understand the language. This is the difference between reading the Bible and studying it. You need to know the. The language, the culture, and what these words mean. So the words say that he was uncovered in his tent, and then his son Ham. You have the three sons, Sham, Ham, and Japheth. And they. And they're all. All three are married. Ham goes in, and he sees his. His father's nakedness, and he comes out and tells his brothers Sham and Japheth, then Sham and Javert they go into the tent backwards so they don't see the nakedness, and they cover him up. And then it says, noah wakes up from his drunkenness, and he sees what his younger son had done to him. And when he realized what his younger son had done to him, he said, cursed be Canaan. And he puts. He puts. He puts a generational curse on Canaan. Hey, he'll be a servant to Sham and Japheth. And then he blessed Sham and Japheth for doing the right thing. So this is.

[Top Lobster]

This is the verse that says he uncovered his father's nakedness, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So I think.

[Ed May]

No, no, no, no, no, no. He said he was already uncovered and he saw him. And then the. The shaman, Japheth covered the nakedness.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Ed May]

And then he said, curse be Canaan. Well, who was Canaan? Well, it says at the beginning, Ham was Canaan. Was. Ham was a father of Canaan. It says that in the beginning of this. Of the passage, almost as. Like, it seems like a throwaway line. And so. But. But for some reason, Canaan is introduced into the story before we even talk about what happened with. With Noah. So what's going on here? Well, there are a few different interpretations. Some say that, you know, the. I guess the tamest interpretation is that, you know, Noah got drunk, passed down. I guess he just, you know, went nuts and threw my clothes off. And he's just, you know, physically negative. He has. He's unclothed in his tent. Ham goes in and says, oh, dad's naked. You know, drunk. And then he comes out and tells his brother, yeah, dad was hanging out naked in the gym. You know, he's being drunk again, and the two brothers respectfully cover him up. And then Noah comes out and he realizes what happened, and he says, you know, curse be Canaan. But here's the question. First of all, what's. Granted, it's embarrassing seeing your dad naked in the tent, but why would that make you upset? Why would that anger you so much that you would curse your grandson? Because I remember when. When my grandfather, before he passed away, he had multiple sclerosis. He lost. You know, his muscles became pretty much useless. And I helped my grandmother take care of him, so I saw him. I had to help bathe him. Now, it was uncomfortable for both of us. I didn't want to see that, and he didn't want me to see it, but, you know, I was taking care of him, so it wasn't a. So seeing a male relative uncovered again, it's not optimal, but it's doesn't seem to warrant a curse.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah. When I was younger, I walked in on my grandpa. He was taking. He's taking a leak and that's why.

[Top Lobster]

You'Re the way you are.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And I saw it and I saw it and, and he didn't curse me. He didn't curse me. He just laughed at me.

[Top Lobster]

He just went, well this might not have anything to do with it, but I'm looking through Blue Letter Bible shout out to Jay. We. We had a rep from Blue Letter Bible on yesterday. Let's talk about this stuff. Yeah, great tool. Leviticus 18:11 through 13. They're talking about the rules and it's thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister. For these. For she is thy mother's near kinswoman. Don't uncover the nakedness of thy father's sister. She is thy father's near kinswoman. And. And it goes on like for a bunch of verses about uncovering or uncovering the nakedness. It's sexual and it's. It seems like sexual thing.

[Ed May]

Yeah, it is central. So. So that's what's at the tames. Is that he was just. Is that he was just naked and. But that doesn't make any sense. So we know just from reading like reading it in the, in the. In the language nakedness and being covered and uncovered. There was something sexual happened in the tent. Okay. Because when he woke up, what he said he saw what his younger son had done to him wasn't just seeing. How would you know if you were passed out? Somebody sees you naked, you don't know unless they tell you. He said something was done to him, something happened to him. So one idea, and this is the idea that, that Dr. Michael Heiser have and I has had recently he's passed away and I'm great respect for him. He. He believed that Ham went in because your. Your wife is considered your nakedness as a husband. So my wife's nakedness, her sexuality is mine. Your wife, you know, top you and, and, and Raven and I don't know that.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry. If anyone's following Genesis 9:24. And Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And then he curses him. That is crazy.

[Matt]

Well, right. This is wild though. Then he curses can.

[Ed May]

Right? I'm getting into it. Yeah. Well it's. So there's a reason. So I'll finish that man. I'll let you give your. Your thoughts. So Heiser's thought is that Ham went in and When Noah was passed out, he actually raped his mother, Noah's wife. Yeah, yeah. And that, and why? As an, as a, as a, a sign of dominance, he's. And he went out and told his brother, his brothers, hey, look, I, I was just like, you know, it's disgusting for us, but you know, culture of the time, you know, I've shown I'm the alpha because I just, yeah, this was culturally significant. Right, right. And then so the question is, okay, why did Noah curse Canaan and not Ham? Because Ham was not cursed. Because there's this idea and this is where you get into racial theory. Because Ham's descendants, some of them became sub Saharan Africans. You know, his son Kush found the area of Ethiopia and then, you know, then, and from there you got, you know, all the sub Saharan African nations. So some people will say, well, you know, it's justified to enslave people who look like me because we're under the curse of Ham. You know, God cursed Ham, therefore it's okay to enslave dark skinned people. Well, there's a couple of problems. First of all, Noah did not curse him. He cursed Canaan. That means you didn't even bother reading your Bible. And secondly, Ham's descendants weren't just sub Saharan Africans. Keynes, I mean, excuse me, of Ham's descendants were also Egyptian. Mizraim, they were also Libyan. Put Canaan himself actually didn't go to Africa. Canaan went to, well, area we call the Labat Israel because it's called the land of Canaan, remember? So and his other, other, he has other descendants who went to the Far East. Do you know that Ham is the progenitor of the Chinese? If you look in, in the, in the, the genealogies there, there were descendants of Ham called the Sinites, and we use that word to this day, Sino. And they became the Chinese. There, there's a, there's a treaty now called the, that the Chinese have with Russia, called the Sino Russian treaty because they, they're the descendants of the Sinites who are descendants of, of, of Ham. And if you speak Spanish, what do you call the Chinese? The Chino. Yeah, they're called Chinos. Why? Because that's Chino. Sino, it's the same thing. So my point is that there is no curse on Ham. And even if it was, it doesn't just subjugate black people because they, Ham's descendants went everywhere. But again, he didn't curse Ham. So Heiser believes that his extrapolation from this is that Ham got Noah's Wife, his mother pregnant and she had Canaan. So Noah cursed Canaan, who was the fruit of this. Now I will tell you, I don't agree with it, but I just want to put that out there. I'll give you my. My interpretation next. But I don't agree with this for a couple reasons. Number one, how would I don't. Well, first of all, he said he's.

[Matt]

Already know his name.

[Ed May]

Right? How would he know his name?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's a solid point. Yeah.

[Ed May]

Secondly, he said what his younger son had done to him. Ham was not the youngest son. Whenever the Bible is listing male relatives, they go in order from oldest to youngest. It's always Sham, Ham and Japheth. Japheth was the youngest son. Ham was the middle son. So he was. He couldn't have been talking about Ham. Ham didn't do it because Ham was the middle child. Japheth was the youngest. I mean if the Japheth was. Did the right thing, him and Sham went in and covered the nakedness and. And Noah blessed them. But youngest son can also mean grandson.

[Matt]

Where do you.

[Ed May]

So here's my talk. Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

Where do you get that from? The youngest son can also mean grandson. Has that been. Is that like standard?

[Ed May]

Yeah, well, if you look at. And if you look at the actual language, it means his youngest. He basically said his youngest male descendant.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, I. I understand.

[Ed May]

Yeah. So Kane, Mike. So here's. So that was Heiser's theory. My theory is that the perpetrator was k. Was Canaan. Canaan was the one who did something wrong. First of all, because Canaan is mentioned before the incident. It's called out that Canaan the Ham was the father of Canaan. And he talks about the youngest son had done to him. Canaan did the deed. So I. My thought is that when he goes in Canaan. And again we're getting. Gonna get graphic here. I believe that Canaan was having relations with a passed out Noah.

[Top Lobster]

Whoa, that's weird.

[Ed May]

And so when Noah woke up, he saw what was done. He knew what was done unto him because. Well, he. He felt. Hey, there's something, something. Something's wrong down there.

[Top Lobster]

Something's leaking.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

There's a couple of points of evidence here. You think about this.

[Matt]

You see what I'm saying with these two.

[Ed May]

Dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, what do you think about.

[Top Lobster]

Just tell Mel. Forget. Forget about it.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We're sorry we're like this, all right? This is just who we are.

[Matt]

No, I don't know. There's a lot going on here.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, what's your thought?

[Matt]

Well, you're talking about, like, there's.

[Ed May]

You.

[Matt]

Know, eight souls that have survived the flood. Dude. And then they get out, and then this. This is what happens. Like, this is a heavy deal.

[Top Lobster]

Imagine getting that for your troubles. Like, you.

[Ed May]

We don't know how long. It doesn't. Doesn't give us a clear time how long after the flood that this happened. So, I mean, are the eight humans.

[Matt]

That survived it, you know?

[Ed May]

Right. But it's very possible that, you know, that. That Ham's wife got pregnant on the ark and she had the kid, and he, you know, and he was old enough to know. To perhaps be sexual and understand also this. That Canaan's descendants formed a little area called Sodom and Gomorrah. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And that kind of has a theme to it, doesn't it? Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay, so. So the whole crux of it is 922, ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father. So that could either be that he actually, like, went in and did stuff, Right? Ham went in and did stuff to his dad, or Kanan went in and did stuff to his grandpa. Or you're saying Michael Heiser says that potentially it's that the grandson went and boned his grandma.

[Ed May]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Heiser is saying that Hamilton bone the grandmother. Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Ed May]

He got her pregnant. Canaan was a result, because that's the only way in his mind it makes sense. Ham did something, but Keenan was cursed. And I say no, because Ham. The only thing. Ham walked in on this and said, oh, yeah, my son's, you know, riding grandpa. And he goes, tells his brother, I know it's horrible. Sorry.

[Matt]

Oh, the Bible's raw. It doesn't sugarcoat it.

[Ed May]

So Ham goes out and says. And maybe he was making fun of it. And he was like, yeah, my son's in there. You know, Dad's passed out, and son was like, you know, humping him. And of course, then the brothers, they don't want to see this. Sham and James are like, we don't want to see that. We're gonna. We're gonna walk in backwards. This is an abomination. This is horrifying. We're gonna cover this up. We're gonna make sure that, you know, this is. And then Ham, then Noah wakes up and says, and he knew what his youngest son, his youngest descendant, had done unto him.

[Top Lobster]

This is what doesn't make sense. So they're saying, and Ham saw the nakedness, but Japheth is the youngest. And.

[Matt]

Yeah, well, it says younger I mean, I don't. I mean, I don't have it out in the Hebrew, but 924 just says, Noah woke from his wine and knew what his younger son. It doesn't necessarily youngest, but I don't know, man.

[Ed May]

Well, it could be.

[Top Lobster]

It could be.

[Ed May]

I mean, Heiser is an expert. He was an expert in Semitic languages, so I'm not saying he's wrong.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

But I mean, when I was looking at the tents of it, and I may mean Blue Letter Bible, it looked like that the tense of it was not just younger, but young, but his younger descendant. And then. Yeah, because why would he. Again, again. So the language would make sense if it was just a younger son. And granted, Ham was younger than Sham. Sham was the oldest, but that just seems an odd way to phrase it. If he's talking about Ham to your.

[Matt]

Point about the time here. Like, I know we always read these stories, like this whole thing happened in five minutes. But like, like, I mean, no, Noah woke from his wine. Who knows if, like an hour or two goes by, maybe the wife comes in and goes, noah, you won't believe what just happened when you're passed out, bro. Like, you have to stop with the wine, dude. Like, this is. This has gone overboard. Maybe she explained to him what happened while he was passed out. Maybe he just knew something was wrong. But the thing to me that's so crazy and I just don't think people are serious about today is like, he put a curse on a dude and it was real.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed May]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

He puts these words on this dude and there's no going back.

[Ed May]

And Matt, that's why I tend towards Canaan being the culprit, whether he had sex with Grandpa or Grandma. I mean, he could have done it. Could have been Grandmother he had the intercourse with. But whatever he did was so bad that Noah cursed him. And that was a heck of a curse. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Seeing his nakedness.

[Top Lobster]

This is also the idea of when we're talking about. I. I forget which. I think it's like Genesis 21, where it's like, whoever blesses Israel shall be. Whoever curses Israel shall be cursed. Yeah. This is. I mean, that's the significance. And that's even the same book. So this is what we're talking about. Like a. A generational curse for the rest of time.

[Ed May]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

That's what we're talking about.

[Matt]

So.

[Ed May]

Yeah. So Noah was furious at Canaan. If he. If Ham was a perpetrator, why didn't he curse him? And if. And if, you know, Canaan was just a result of he. Of him getting his. His. His wife pregnant. Well, that's not the kid's fault. I mean, I don't know personally. I know a lady personally who. Who was the result of rape. Yeah, a man raped her mother, but she had her. And this is the most wonderful woman ever. She has kids and grandkids. She's amazing. She didn't do anything wrong. So she was the. The result of a horrific act, but that didn't affect who she was.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We got to talk to Doc Brown of Prometheus Lens Podcast. Prometheus. I'm sorry, Prometheus Lens Podcast. Because last time we talked to him about the Code of Many Colors, he, like, he has this theory, and I forget how it goes.

[Top Lobster]

So long reminded me that in that scripture there, when they cover him with.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The garment, they cover him with the garment. Right.

[Top Lobster]

And that's, like, way off topic, but.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, but it's interesting because it's just like. Well, no, no, this is our thing. What I'm saying is how much you can pull from this, like, very brief moment, verses, three verses. And. And then it's like, look how much heavy speculation is happening right here. And then you go, what about the code of Miller's Dog? Like, what about the garment? And you're like, oh, my God, man. Like, that's a. It's just so. It's so crazy how.

[Ed May]

Yeah. Didn't. Didn't someone say they thought it was the. The.

[Matt]

The.

[Ed May]

The coat of skins that either Nimrod had that Esau got from him or something like that?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, it was like the. The priestly robe of the Nakash in the garden that were stripped off, given to Adam, and then they were passed down. And the last time you see it is like Joseph, where he's wearing the. The, you know, this coat of many colors. But.

[Top Lobster]

I think Ezekiel 18, where he's talking about, you know, your garments were of topaz and.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yes, yeah. Yeah. And what. What Doc does is he manages to, like, create this thread, and it's like, albeit it's loose, it's still very compelling and interesting. And he's like, I think I can trace it.

[Ed May]

It.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like it. It disappears for a brief moment and then reappears, and it seems that it was on the. The ark with Noah and then eventually makes it all the way down to Joseph. And then that's about this.

[Ed May]

If.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

If this.

[Top Lobster]

If this garment did exist, it would have had to been on the ark.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because then it shows up the Code of Many Colors where, like, the. The. The Wheat bows before Joseph. Joseph.

[Ed May]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's like this thing. Something is going on with it.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

His brothers had envy over.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's not.

[Top Lobster]

I don't think it's just a.

[Matt]

Do you.

[Top Lobster]

What do you think, Mac? Is he. He's making faces.

[Ed May]

Do you think this is.

[Matt]

No, no, no. I'm just trying to remember. Is that in Jasher, where it tells that story that, like, Shem got the. Got the coats.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, I forgot.

[Matt]

Somebody. Somebody got the original coats that got put on Adam.

[Ed May]

Well, what I saw when Jasher was that if I'm. I could be wrong in this. I haven't read Jasmine a long time. I thought that it was the. The skins that God made for Adam and Eve after they sinned.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

And that got passed on and eventually, yeah, Jim got it. And somehow it. Some say it ended up with Nimrod, which is why he became, you know, great hunter. Then they say it went, right. It went down to. To Esau, but Esau gave away his birthright. So then maybe that's how Jacob.

[Matt]

The weird thing about clothes and stuff, bro, is like, okay, like the coat of many colors. But then what about, like, the urim and the thumum in the. That. The priest thing, bro? That's like crazy stuff.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Is that like the Tohu abohu?

[Matt]

No, no, no. The Urim and the thumb. And it had, like, the 12 stones.

[Ed May]

Yeah, the breastplate had it.

[Matt]

And you would, like, consult with it, like David consulted with. With it with these stones. They would.

[Top Lobster]

They would wear that same robe because it resembled. I mean, in Ezekiel 18, it resembled what Lucifer was wearing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Isn't that something interesting, too? Because it's like he was a high priest, right?

[Matt]

Because that was. That was referencing.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, because. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was a high priest, so.

[Ed May]

Yeah, yeah, he was. He was. He was the high priest of the time in. In the heavenlies. That was his job. He was. He was the anointed cherub. Anointed is the same words. Mashiach. Anointed Mashiach. Messiah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's it.

[Ed May]

That's what means to be. The anointed one is the. Is the Mashiach.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Isn't New Jerusalem said to appear like a. Like this sort of floating city of many stones or something? Like the bottom of it appears.

[Ed May]

Yeah, yeah. The foundation stones of the New Jerusalem are made of all those different precious stones, you know, Jasper and Amnesty and. And, you know, Topaz. All those. Yeah, all those 12. 12 foundations. Those 1212 jewels.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's an interesting.

[Top Lobster]

It's amazing because it's like when God does something that's like, significant fractally repeats itself.

[Ed May]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Just today on Tinfoil Hat, some guy was like, oh, you know, like Jesus rising in three days. It's like the sun, the equinox, and it's like three days. Like, yes, yeah, yes, yeah, that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And there's a fractal nature and, and Jesus Christ echoes in the minutia and the.

[Top Lobster]

It's just funny when they go, oh. And that's why it's just a right story.

[Ed May]

Yeah, because the, the paganistic stuff, they hijack or appropriate this stuff, say, oh, yeah, the Bible copied us. No, you copied the Bible. You copied God's word. You didn't copy you, you copied him. He taught all this stuff to Adam. He taught Adam the stars, you know, the message and stars, the Maseroth, he taught them. He taught all this stuff to Adam, who passed it down to his descendants. And then when you get to. To Babel and the languages are confused and everyone you know goes every which way, and they each have their high priest, their priests with them. Well, yeah, they just take it and they just turn it into all the, the legends that they have. That's why you have the same type of stories appearing in all these different cultures around the world. And they say, well, you know, Jesus was like that. What, the silly movie Zeitgeist? Well, yeah, they just. They just made up Jesus based on Horus and Osiris. No, they made a porous and Osiris based on the original plan of salvation that. That God put in the stars.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I'm, I'm saying, like. So shout out to the biblical hitman here. He said, I'd say it was all a mimic, in which, in which the nature, which is the nature of saying. But it's more than just a mimic. It's like.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's an inversion. It's a.

[Top Lobster]

No, I mean, listen, that, that solstice that lasts three days where the sun remains in. In its place for three days. God does that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then Jesus. Right. It's like, it's all done on purpose.

[Ed May]

The reason is done on purposes of it. Yeah, the reasons. Guys, we talked. I think you may have touched on this in one of our previous episodes is the question of, like, if. If you're in a part of the world where you've never seen a Bible and you've never had a. A Christian witness to you, how can you be saved? Because you see, God put all of his. God put his story everywhere. So there's no excuse. So you could be someone in the jungles of wherever. You know that first of all, atheists are only a part of what we call civilized world. There's no one in the jungles who doesn't believe in the supernatural world. They know it exists. But God tells his story everywhere. You know, Paul says himself the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows his handiwork. So, you know, there's a God. So there's you. There's no one on earth with an excuse. But that, but the point is that, yeah, we have, we have the story of Jesus with the Son. We have it everywhere.

[Matt]

Can we, could we just go back a little bit? And you referenced the Tower of Babel and you said like they took all the different nations. Now they get these languages and they, they, and they each kind of cultivate their own priest within that, within that language. So you'd come down with Michael Heiser then on like the deuteronomy, is it.

[Ed May]

32, 32 world 9. Yeah, right.

[Matt]

Like the Septuagint spells it out that it's like that's when the nations got divided up to false gods.

[Ed May]

Yeah, it says that in Deuteronomy. Some, in some versions it says that he divided the nations according to the sons of, of Jacob, the sons of Israel, which. Well, that doesn't make, make any sense because Israel hadn't existed. Didn't exist yet. Yeah, but the actual translation is he, he divided the nations up according to the number of the sons of Elohim, of the sons of God, the angels. Yeah, because there were 70. There were 70 angels on his council.

[Matt]

And you think those dudes were communicating with somebody in each of those nations that kind of became the priest for that nation and kind of just took all these false stories that kind of mingled with the true story.

[Ed May]

So, so here's what I believe happened. I'll make this as short as I can as I'm capable it.

[Matt]

We got time.

[Top Lobster]

Really, really excited about the in person bohemian girl.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, sure.

[Matt]

He's coming from Cali.

[Top Lobster]

I'm gonna drive and get him.

[Matt]

Yeah, I respect that.

[Ed May]

In a Winnebago and just roll, whatever.

[Top Lobster]

Just the middle of the night, throw him in a van for the audience.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Who's listening, man? Like especially that first VIP night, we're doing it here. It's going to be comfy, cozy. We're gonna hang out with the fans. Whether or not he objects, it doesn't matter. We're gonna fill this place out. We're gonna do Bible studies, we're gonna hang, we're gonna eat. We're gonna drink some quality coffee from the standard coffee shop and we're gonna see Ed and touch him.

[Ed May]

That's gonna cost extra.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, it's not.

[Ed May]

Come on.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Are you gonna charge?

[Ed May]

No. You gotta, like, at least put a 10 bill in my waistband or something, you know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Fine, fine. What is the.

[Top Lobster]

What's the. The scripture for Deuteronomy 32?

[Matt]

Is it. Is it 32?

[Ed May]

I think it's Deuteronomy 32. The exact verse, if you look it.

[Matt]

Up specifically in the Septuagint, it said it like, he's saying, it says the sons of God. It doesn't say the sons of Israel.

[Ed May]

Yeah, Moses.

[Top Lobster]

I've been a big fan now of this blue letter Bible, dude. It's just looking at it constantly.

[Ed May]

It's like, whoa, dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Effective tool.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's nine for the Lord's portion. His people, Jacob.

[Matt]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

A lot in the head. Okay, very cool. Very cool.

[Matt]

Wait, wait. But that, but that's what that's saying. It's going 32, 8. It says, when the most high divided to the nations there inheritance, when he separated the sons of God is what it says in the Septuagint. He set the bounds of the people. No, I'm sorry. When he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the sons of God.

[Ed May]

Right.

[Matt]

Which is where he's saying, like for each of the nations, that's where sons of God started to roll over. And then this is the offensive line for a lot of people's verse 9 for the Lord's portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance. He's saying he's the God over that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That nation.

[Ed May]

Exactly.

[Matt]

God gets to do whatever he wants for whatever reason. He said, look, I'll let you all have your nations and stuff, but I'm gonna have a nation too.

[Ed May]

Right? So what happened was. All right, so what happened was after Babel, you know, God was dealing with people one on one. Then after Babel, he says, I'm going to deal with you as nations now. And so, so all the nations I'm going to. I have my own nation is Israel, who. I will deal with you. I will deal with you through them. You know, bless them. We bless and curse. You will curse them. But they were supposed to take the law. Law. They were supposed to be his ambassadors. What was supposed to happen, we see it's also in Deuteronomy 28. They were supposed to obey the law of God and then they would prosper greatly. Then the other nations would say, oh, look at these people in Israel. Why are they doing so great? When they would say, well, because we obey the law of Jehovah. Oh, well, we want to know that. Great, come on in and you can learn the loss. And they were supposed to evangelize the world. Of course they didn't, because they kept screwing up. But back to the Elohim, and he. He divided the nation into 70 based on his 70 Elohim on his council. Then you have Psalms 82, where he tells them that. Basically, I'm paraphrasing that I put you over the nations to judge them well and to be fair. But you all fell. You. You are. You are Elohim, sons of the Most High. But, oh, no. But you will die like men.

[Top Lobster]

Do you remember that? Like. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt, but this is. Sorry, yeah. Do you remember that. That fun theory we were talking about, like, just like, the afterlife, what do you do in heaven? We had, like, two episodes on that or something like that. And you were saying. And it touches a little bit on, like, Mormonism, but it's like, yeah, well, what if God.

[Matt]

When you.

[Ed May]

When you.

[Top Lobster]

When you get there, what if God's like, all right, you see how you do that? Seems like what that verse is, baby.

[Matt]

No, I don't want that.

[Ed May]

All right?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't want all that responsibility.

[Matt]

No, no. He does talk about. He'll make you ruler over territories.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Matt]

He's like, if you've been a good and faithful servant.

[Ed May]

Yeah, I'll give you five.

[Matt]

I'll give you 10 cities. But I don't know if you, like, look, God had.

[Top Lobster]

God had rule over Israel. And Israel is like, all. Still all messed up stuff. How good are you gonna do? It's like. It's almost like I'm gonna. Yeah, if. If you're gonna ask me to do that, I'd be like, I'm good. I'll just. I'll just chill.

[Matt]

I think one thing we said it before that you have to understand about Israel is like, if. Say you have, like, a bunch of. I think Derek Prince used to explain like this. If you have a bunch of kids, you have a big bag of candy, you could evenly distribute to each of the kids the candy, right? Or you could give it to one kid and tell him to distribute it to the rest of the kids. And that's all God did with Israel. Right? And where they've run into a mistake is where they were like, yeah, we got the bag of candy. So, like, we're the good ones. Do you see what I'm saying? And so the mistake now was like, the church can do the same thing. Like, you see the church kind of do that and kind of close off and go, yeah, we're the blessed ones.

[Top Lobster]

After world, I'm gonna need you to take it easy because Ed actually has. Is a 501C3.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's right.

[Matt]

I'm fine with 501C3, especially if he's not doing announcements. Five songs in a speech on Sunday morning. I don't see him doing it now.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I like the songs. I think they're nice.

[Top Lobster]

They're very nice.

[Matt]

That's exactly what a 501C3 is for. It's not to take in people's money and build buildings and buy land. Play that game and you're on the team now.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's a good music. It's a good song.

[Matt]

But he's, like, in the game now.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You were just showing us Christian music the other day. Do you listen to Christian music?

[Top Lobster]

I've been here twice.

[Ed May]

It depends.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Also not a great enjoyer of Christian music.

[Top Lobster]

I think you and Ed. You and Ed are.

[Matt]

Ed likes Misty Edwards. Dude, do you like Misty Edwards?

[Ed May]

I don't even know who that is.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Nobody knows who Misty Edwards.

[Matt]

I'm a lot older than that. It's fine.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, my God. All right, please, let's bring it back. Can we get back?

[Ed May]

Okay, but I want to just wrap up with what Matt was asking about. The. The separation of nation. So basically, you have Nimrod, Simmeramus, and their son Tammuz, you know, and. And she leads some more. Leads the worship of Nimrod as the sun God. And she, you know, and her. And Tammu, she's the queen of heaven and Tammuz is the divine child. And so. And so when they divide up into all the different nations, all of her priests take that mother child cult with them. That's why all the religions around the world always have a father God, a divine mother, a mother, a queen of heaven, and a divine child. You go to, you know, Osiris, Horus, and Isis. You know the same thing. You go to Norse mythology. You have Odin, you have Thor, you have Freda. You go all around the world, you have the same.

[Matt]

Sorry, so called Virgin Mary.

[Ed May]

Exactly. Well, exactly. What do they call her? They call the Virgin Mary, the Queen of Heaven.

[Matt]

Queen of Heaven? Yeah.

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Oh, it's wild, bro.

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's a weird thing.

[Matt]

Loved ones in that system. I love them. And there's a lot of people I.

[Ed May]

Love in that system.

[Matt]

But that system is so wild. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And right now we're getting hit with, like, you know, we were talking about, like, this idea of witchcraft before. That really stems from, like, this. What would be perceived as the divine.

[Top Lobster]

It dawned on me that Matt will probably get on. On Merkel show before us. Probably because us. Us never.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Even if we got on Merkel.

[Matt]

No, I don't want. I don't want. I don't want.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I don't even want to go there. It's fine.

[Top Lobster]

Talk to Matt.

[Ed May]

He likes you guys.

[Matt]

He does make it weird, man. Loves you guys.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, let's not get carried.

[Matt]

I'm gonna DM him right now. You guys probably didn't know it, but I already know. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Wait, did we tell the audience that. That this guy has a long list of DMS that he sent?

[Top Lobster]

We're here.

[Matt]

Andrew Huberman responded to me, bro, we're here.

[Top Lobster]

Said, no, no, he didn't. We're here setting up the other day. And he goes, andrew Hubert. We're gonna get Andrew Huberman on the. On the podcast. I was like, first off, who's that?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

And then he goes.

[Matt]

He goes, dude.

[Top Lobster]

He said, I've set up a lot of communication with him. And I go, what does that mean? He goes, he liked. He liked my comment. I'm like, that's not how.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's not a line of communication. And also, you cannot Send Joe Rogan 15 consecutive DMS.

[Matt]

He's gonna read him at some point, be like, damn, this dude knew.

[Top Lobster]

What's up?

[Matt]

Restraining this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He's gonna. Oh, my. I buy. I literally buy alpha brain. He's gonna cut me off.

[Matt]

Off.

[Ed May]

Don't buy that.

[Matt]

Well, no, he used to rag. I think he's changed now, but when I used to listen to him, he used to rag the scripture, but it was stuff that was easily refutable. And I would just text him and say, bro, listen, man, you're missing it because of this.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He's come around now. He has come around, and I don't know what to make of that. I mean, I hope so. You know what I mean? That's all. I just hope so.

[Ed May]

Well, I think he's on a journey. Truth.

[Matt]

You end up at Jesus. I always told my family this. I said, dude, this guy, like, he was doing. He was, like, liberal.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So you come around to Jesus.

[Matt]

If you seek truth, you end up at Jesus, period.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Period.

[Matt]

So, like, I'm not saying that everybody who looks like they're going after truth ends up at Jesus. But people who are genuinely seeking truth, you end up at Jesus.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, I agree. You might get. Some people get caught up on like this cultural idea of what Jesus Christ is. But if you're earnestly seeking the truth, caught up on that dumb stuff, Brian.

[Top Lobster]

From Demon Racers would say, seek and you shall find.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's right. Sorry. Sick. Get out of it.

[Top Lobster]

Me, please, please continue. We love Brian.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I love Brian.

[Ed May]

He's awesome. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So.

[Ed May]

So just, just to wrap it up, so when, so when the Elohim were over, all the 70 nations and they were all worshiping the mother child cult, they started worshiping the Elohim. And we talked before about this. Guys that worship to these. It's like heroin to these interests. They can't handle it. They want more of it. And that's why they all fell. They all fell because they started accepting worship. And that's when you end up with the Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece.

[Matt]

Why?

[Ed May]

Because if you have everyone in your nation worshiping you and you're a heroin addict and you want more worship, the only way you can get more worship, you have to conquer another nation and get them to start worshiping you so you could have more and more. And that's really the origin of the reason for all of these wars we have. They're trying to consolidate power. They want more worshipers.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

And I think people make the mistake of thinking like the demonic realm is all on the same team. And it's like, I mean, Satan has a kingdom. And so in a certain sense that you could make that argument. But they all have their own agenda.

[Top Lobster]

We've made that.

[Ed May]

I talked about that a lot on, on Merkel show because he, he agreed. He, he was like the same way. He's like, yeah, dude, I can't get anyone to agree with me. I'm like, I agree with you. I think we're on the same Bible reader.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, sorry, dude, he's great.

[Matt]

Yeah, he's a Bible reader.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, he's, he's, he's straight Bible.

[Top Lobster]

One of my friends, this guy Scott Horton, he's wrote like mad, mad books on the Middle East. Mad books and straight up books. Like straight books about the Middle East. But it's like when you read them and you know, you start to pay attention to how many different factions just are in like the, just because they're dealing with Muslims.

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

The Houthis, the Syrians. It's like, I can't even name, but there's like 50 factions all fighting against each other. Within Islam, one country. It's insane. Yeah. So now we're talking about like a ever obvious supernatural realm. And you're like, yeah, there's only one guy. There's like, no, dude. There's millions of them.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

They're constantly jockeying for position. They are the embodiment of all these different sins.

[Ed May]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Pride is, is. You think they're all going to fall in rank and file behind one and it's like, no, that's not, that's not what's happening.

[Ed May]

No. They all have the same big picture goal, which is to oppose the plan of God. But they all have different ways of how to get there.

[Matt]

Yeah. Which even ultimately in the book of Revelation, when the woman rides the beast and then ultimately the beast just turns on her and eats her. Like.

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[Matt]

I mean, yeah, even that's a type.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Even that.

[Ed May]

Yeah. Because she represents religion and, and she's riding the beast of religion is writing. You know, the beast, you know, represents all the empires and all that kind of stuff. She. So religion is controlling the beast until they don't need religion anymore. They're like, okay, we don't need you now. We're going to be all worshiping, you know, the Antichrist, so we can just, we can burn you.

[Matt]

The guy said that you like Chuck Missler, too. Did you, did you read any, like, Dave Hunt, the Woman Rides the Beast?

[Top Lobster]

You read it?

[Ed May]

I did. I had, yeah. Yeah. Chuck was one of my, Chuck was one of my mentors. We, we communicated, you know, for back and forth before he passed on. Yes, I, it's, it's, I'm looking at it right now. It's in my bookshelf. Right.

[Matt]

I love.

[Ed May]

Yeah, no, that's a solid book.

[Matt]

But wait, so you were like, tight with chalk and talked to him. I'm sorry, you were tight with Chuck Missler and like, talk to him? Like, did you know him and Linda, like, was it like, like you knew them?

[Ed May]

Yeah, yeah. I, I, I met my point. I'm not gonna say that we were like tight tight. But we would communicate like over via email. We would message. He had a message board and I would talk to him there and I would see him in person in some of his stuff. He was in Southern California a lot. A lot. And we, when he was down there, when he would come down there, I would try to go out if I was able to. When I lived in Southern California as well. If I was able to go out and see his stuff, I would, I miss him, bro.

[Matt]

I just feel like if he was around Right now or especially through coronavirus and stuff. It'd be like this dude's insight right now would be just. I mean, he was talking about like the. The AI and like the nanotech.

[Ed May]

He would be so into it.

[Matt]

And humanism, like transhumanism. He's talking about like. Like decades ago, bro. And was like nailing what's happening now. I just wish he was around to explain all the stuff right now.

[Ed May]

Yeah, so I remember his wife, Nancy, she, you know, she like, helped me. Not directly, but she, like, gave me some material when I was going through like, a really dark time in my life. I mean, she. Her. Her work really helped me and I. You know, so, yeah, Nan was great. Chuck was awesome. So. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah, I called her Linda. That's my bad. You're right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, I was gonna ignore that. I'm glad you addressed it. Look, I wanna. Speaking of addressing. Addressing things, I want to address a real elephant in the room. And I'm tired of not talking about it. I feel like we're all just avoiding it.

[Ed May]

I'm scared.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I know. And I don't want to do this. Look, look, I know this is going to be. We have to talk about it. We didn't get raptured.

[Ed May]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was hoping.

[Matt]

No, Ed said he. That the cards were on. Nothing happening. I remember seeing him say that.

[Top Lobster]

So you watched it?

[Matt]

Yeah, he was like saying there's A, B, C and D. But chances are, like, nothing's gonna happen because.

[Top Lobster]

Who was the guy?

[Matt]

Was it Scotty something? A couple years ago that had the whole thing with the. The whole way the constellations had broken out and it was definitely pointing to the rest.

[Ed May]

Yeah, they were talking about the 13th.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Constellation Ofuchus that like, popped. It's like you made that up. You don't remember that?

[Top Lobster]

Dave is good for this kind of.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, you guys don't know he's good.

[Ed May]

For this kind of nonsense. I've not heard that. You have to educate me on that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Do a quick Google search. Go ahead. Anybody? I challenge you. Look up Ofuchus. Link the serpent. It's the 13th constellation. Literally popped up. Huge thing. Apparently Nostradamus talked about, like, when the 13th constellation appears. The man with the serpent. Then the, you know, the end of days will come.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, damn. He's right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, dude.

[Matt]

He needs a Bible.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Come on, dude.

[Top Lobster]

Is a real constellation. The serpent bearer. And is considered the 13th constellation of the zodiac because the sun passes through it each year.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Everybody who's watching, go back and clip the moment where I said that and everybody made the Matt face with.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I was like, this guy. This guy's gonna talk.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's. What? No fucus.

[Matt]

Well, you did that to me with the war scrolls the other day too. I had no clue what the war scrolls was.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That was fun. That's just a little fun. Silly thing. I get. I. I get one. One per episode.

[Matt]

He's not just a hot dog champ.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, wait. Not just a hot dog champ. I eat a normal amount of hot dogs like any other man would eat a man. Two hot dogs is a reasonable amount of hot dogs, folks.

[Top Lobster]

There was like, it was. Matt said six or seven.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I had two hot dogs.

[Matt]

I don't want to take Ed off track anytime.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Sorry.

[Matt]

Please. Most expensive area codes.

[Ed May]

I do live in expensive area code. I got bills to pay, thankfully. I bought my house when the market crashed.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I bought my house at the height of the market on me.

[Matt]

That's like the best climate in the world where you.

[Ed May]

Oh, yeah, it was great. Yeah. I. I can't afford my house right now.

[Matt]

Now.

[Ed May]

I mean, if I were to try to buy it now, I couldn't afford it.

[Top Lobster]

Same.

[Ed May]

But so. So yeah, the rapture thing. So when I was on with these guys, we talked about it and I. There, you know, there were some compelling reasons. I believe 2025 is a big year and, you know, the feast of Trumpets and all that. But what I said was, I just don't want people to be disappointed because all these date setters are always wrong. And was there a possibility? Sure. But if it doesn't happen, like, God didn't let you down. The date setters did.

[Matt]

Don't you think also that there always is this element of God where. I mean, even like in the Matthew 24 passage where he's like, nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom, wars, famines, pestilence, earthquakes. That like, every generation is like, yo, it's us. Like, yeah, this can be us. Like, he, like, he has this element of where, like the thing. Like it could. Every generation can always point to biblical things, things in the stars and say, it's definitely us.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

But that's like Top said before, you know, you have this. This idea of. Of. Of these gems.

[Top Lobster]

He wasn't asking us. He just did the face. Like, I wasn't asking.

[Matt]

I'm not sure where he's going.

[Ed May]

Gemstones. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And we were talking about before, it's like there's an element that will appear in the Bible and then it'll kind of repeat over and over again. There's like a theme. Boom.

[Matt]

Boom, boom.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And it's like. That's the problem.

[Top Lobster]

The problem with that, what you're saying is that, like, every time that repeats, it gets more intense.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's like a snowball.

[Matt]

Yeah. Each. Sorry, I'm just saying I want to always live. Like, he could be coming back tomorrow.

[Ed May]

Exactly.

[Matt]

Or I want to set up on my life where my descendants a hundred years from now are serving the Lord with all their heart, mind, soul, and strength. I want to set up both ways.

[Ed May]

Jesus had to be watchful. He didn't say, be watchful because I'm coming on this date. He just said to remain watchful because, again, this is the model of the. Of the. Of the ancient Israelite marriage where, you know, the. The groom would propose to the bride, he would give her gifts, and then he would leave to the father's house to build an addition. And she would spend all of her time sanctifying herself and getting ready to be a good wife. That was her job. She was supposed to be doing the work of. Of making herself ready for when the husband. When the groom will return. He will return. It will be a surprise. She didn't know when he was coming, but he. But she knew that it would be a surprise. And then if she was ready, off they go. But if she wasn't ready, then he could either break off the marriage or he could tell her, okay, I'll give you some more time. But if she wasn't ready, if she wasn't making herself ready, then he could say, you're not an acceptable bride, because you're not. You weren't watching for me. You weren't getting yourself ready. You were all just living your best life. So the point is, if you're a Christian, you should be always being. Being more and more ready to be a good bride, meaning learning more about the husband's family. That's what the bride was supposed to do because she was going to be the matriarch of the family. So her job was to learn about it. From who? From other women who knew about how to be a good wife. And that represents Israel. Actually, Israel was supposed to mentor of the church. Israel's supposed to be teaching the church how to be. Why? Because Israel was the wife of Jehovah. So Israel's supposed to be mentoring the. The bride to marry the Son of God.

[Matt]

In a sense, they have. Right. Like we have the scriptures. Like when Paul was talking about.

[Ed May]

Exactly. The Bible is our mentor.

[Matt]

Yeah. He's saying, like, man, I'd be cursed from my brothers. You know, if Israel would come to Christ. Like, I'd do whatever it would take for them.

[Ed May]

And.

[Matt]

And, you know, and look at the wrong they've done. But. But look at. Look at what else they've done. They brought forth the scriptures. They brought forth all the prophets, like, all the. Hopefully all of our kids. Heroes when they're little. Their heroes are really all Jews, man, because we're reading them the scripture. Like. Like all these stories are all about Israel and. And we. We owe a lot to them. They brought forth the Messiah. Nobody's saying they did nothing wrong because these guys get a little touchy about this topic. Nobody.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We're like, super loose.

[Matt]

And he's like, I just know how you guys get.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, you know how you're talking about every generation.

[Top Lobster]

And walked us off that cliff.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, for sure. We were like. But Ed's actually the one. I credit Ed for saying. He's like, no, no, there's like a. There is a difference here. There's a. There's like. You have to. This is why the. The conversation online frustrates me. This is why the Laura Loomer thing frustrates me because. Shout out Laura Loomer. She's coming to the studio eventually. But there is a. There is a intense conversation that needs to be had. And there's a lot of minutiae when discussing the Jews, Israel and. And the things that we believe. It's not just like simply one monolith, you know, so.

[Matt]

No, when we met, you were like, the Jews are bad.

[Top Lobster]

That's not true.

[Ed May]

Hang on.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

When you're talking about these. These. Every generation thinks that they're in the end of days, basically. Right? And shout out to Reb Sims in the chat, who dropped a little bit of a banger. She said, birth pangs. And it's like. When you're talking about birth pangs, contractions become more intense and closer together. So when we talk about this, like, repeating cycle that seems to happen, and then every once in a while on the show, we'll say, but it seems as though the cycle is shortening. Yeah, that really. Getting more intense and getting more intense.

[Top Lobster]

I'm kind of. I just want to backtrack. I'm glad Ed brought up the. The bride.

[Matt]

Oh, the.

[Top Lobster]

Is the. The bride of Christ.

[Ed May]

No.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, that. That metaphor. Because I tried to explain it to Matt and Matt was like. Like, just faces, and I did a bad job.

[Matt]

What are you talking about?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

You're making that face.

[Top Lobster]

The default face. But what I wanted. Can you explain to Matt Also the idea of. I know this is like a departure relaxing your face. No, no, no. Genesis 1 where you're talking about the. What is it like the entity from, from the deep. You're saying that like.

[Ed May]

Oh, Leviathan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That.

[Top Lobster]

That existed in the. Within the scripture. Where do you get that from? Could you just explain it to him? Because I want it. I kind of wanted to explain it to him, but I'm an idiot, right? So when you do a good job.

[Matt]

We can agree on that.

[Ed May]

Wow. So when we get. In the beginning, I created the heavens in the earth and the earth was like, you know, tohuva bohu and these guys, these guys. And it says that darkness was on the face of the deep. That word deep is the word tion. That word teom. Actually if you look. And again. So I'm going to circular route here. So Teom it in. And I believe it's either Eucharitic or Sumerian. And if Gary Wayne was on. He correct me because I was on a show with him and he. I, I got one of them. Right. You see the Eucharistic or Sumerian, it actually means T. It's the words, the word Tiamat.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Oh, oh, that, yeah, that's right.

[Top Lobster]

That's right.

[Ed May]

Tiamat is a seven headed dragon.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yep.

[Ed May]

So that word teom is actually darkness was on the face of this dragon. The Jewish equivalent of, of Tiamat, of this, of this ancient dragon is Leviathan, which we see in, we see in Job. We see in Isaiah. And this is a bad, A bad guy. So it's a, it's a large. It's a. An aquatic serpentine animal. That's actually a spiritualist. It's a, it's. It's obviously it must be some kind of seraphim because the seraphim are, are reptilian Elohim. So this. So. So there was this original enemy. Some people say it was Satan. I don't think it was saying. I think it was a different one because Satan's in the garden before he falls. He was actually. I'm gonna get. It's just a huge rabbit hole. I don't want to go around down. But I think that Satan was, was. Hadn't fallen at this point. I think that Leviathan was a pre. The first evil, the first of the original rebel. And that's. And then we see that, you know, God defeated him. There was a he called. He's the one who calls it.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think that he was Shemyaza?

[Ed May]

I don't know.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Ed May]

I Truly don't, because Leviathan's mentioned again. He's mentioned elsewhere. Like, you know, when in Job, God says, can you draw out Leviathan with a hook? And then in Isaiah, he says he's going to give the people in the desert Leviathan to eat and they're going to celebrate over him. So this is a. This is a spiritual entity and he's speaking up in poetic language here. I mean, because the first chapter of Genesis is poetry. So there. This is poetic language here. But he's speaking of an original rebel who took on the form of this. This dragon, Leviathan.

[Matt]

So you're just saying it in verse two. Then it would say, and the earth was without form and void was tohu abohu. And darkness was upon the Leviathan.

[Ed May]

Leviathan, yeah. So darkness. So basically God had withdrawn his light and he basically had to be. So this is. Heiser talks about this in unseen realm. He's. He's basically. He's in. In the. In the culture, God is literally standing over Leviathan in a. In a posture of conquest. He had just beaten this chaos monster, that's what Heiser calls it, because it says, and darkness on the face of the town. And he. And. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. That word, what waters, is Mayim. Mayim means filthy, disgusting, chaotic waters. It could mean. Or it could just mean chaos. So he made the. He. He created the heavens and the earth in an orderly fashion. And then some type of rebellion happened and there was a judgment. And the. And the result of that judgment was darkness and chaos. And then. Then the rest of the chapter one is God bringing order back into the world. And first thing he says, let. Let light be again. So he had to bring his light back into the world.

[Matt]

Yeah, we. I mean, we were looking at that yesterday because where it says, whoa, my.

[Ed May]

Email means, yes, it's nasty. I didn't go into all that yet. It means piss or semen. Jeez.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's like a derogatory term. For sure.

[Ed May]

It is like, it's like, you know, we say you're full of. In ancient Hebrew will say, you're full of mime in the same vernacular.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He's not footing.

[Ed May]

Nice. Well done. Well done.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's all I'm good for.

[Matt]

Right. But there definitely had. It looks like there had to be some kind of judgment that took place because in 1, 2, it says the earth was tohu abohu. And then in Isaiah it says, you're gonna have to. He didn't Create the earth, Toes. Exactly.

[Ed May]

He didn't create it that way.

[Matt]

Something happened.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Something made it a bohu.

[Matt]

I don't know why you guys have to make it weird, man. I know. We're, like, trying to get to a valid point. You guys are like, yeah, let's play games. Let's raise my rules.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Can we do that?

[Top Lobster]

We're gonna. You know what? You'll have the tohu, you'll have the.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Bohu, but just don't make it.

[Ed May]

Don't make a Miami shirt.

[Top Lobster]

David could wear the Miami shirt.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right, fine.

[Top Lobster]

I'm sorry.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Let's. Man, that's. That's interesting. That's really interesting, because that's not typically how it's ever been explained to me. We're just talking about a. A chaotic and formless Earth, you know, not. Not the heaping carcass of a gigantic entity.

[Matt]

And I keep it a little more simple. I'm just. I just keep it as simple as, like, okay, he hasn't started creating yet. Then where did the water come from? Or to your point, where did the miam come from if he hasn't started creating? If we all agree that 1, 3.

[Top Lobster]

Is that why it's so salty?

[Ed May]

Oh, no.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What have we been in our mouth?

[Ed May]

That's a good point.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That is. That's.

[Ed May]

And this is why Tony Merkel hates you guys.

[Top Lobster]

You're right. You're right. This is us at our best.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Ah, it is, man.

[Matt]

No, I've heard that. I've had people reach out to me through Instagram and just be like, dude, they've changed. A lot came on.

[Ed May]

Like, Joe Rogan reached out.

[Matt]

We've been praying for these guys, man.

[Ed May]

They've been out.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I swear, that's the only reason they act somewhat normal.

[Ed May]

Any better?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Because people have been praying for us. Because it's not of. No, no, no. Effort of our own.

[Ed May]

The power of Christ compels you. The power of Christ compels you.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I'm like, dude, what are you doing? And I'm like, is that. Is that normal? That doesn't feel right. I don't understand that.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, man. All right, listen.

[Ed May]

And we're. We're.

[Top Lobster]

We're. We're getting towards the end here.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Coming up on time.

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Matt said he's got to work out. Clearly.

[Matt]

Look at him. Oh, I'm just saying, why do we have to wrap it up? Like, we're chilling. He's on west coast time. Like, everything's.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Also, you. You're putting on weight, and I'd like to see you shed it, well, you had to squeeze through here before, but it's a, it's a wide area.

[Matt]

No. Can I just ask Ed, is there like a thing, Ed, that, where you like really been into lately? That wasn't a thing that you were like preparing for. For the YouTube. You're in the scripture and you're like, man, this thing I've been really thinking about a lot lately.

[Ed May]

Well, you know what? It's actually something that I just brought up at the, the going, going to the courtroom of God about these generational curses. That's. That's something I. Over the last couple weeks. That's why it was just top of mind because again, I'm thinking about my whole, my family and I, I was watching a. Another show of a guy who honestly, but when I first heard him, I didn't like him because he kind of comes off.

[Matt]

But no, no, sometimes that's like a main thing. I know dudes that I initially was like offended by him. Then I was like, oh, damn, they're right.

[Ed May]

Yeah, he has a big shot. Taylor Welch, I think is his name.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Never heard.

[Ed May]

But if you see. Yeah, he has, he has a pretty big following. But he's a guy who comes across. He's as like just kind of a, you know, a bro.

[Matt]

I think I know what you're talking about. He's like a so called, you know, when you're like do the business. An entrepreneur.

[Ed May]

Vibe to him and. Yeah, but, but like Merkel said, he's actually a pretty good guy. So I started listening to him and he's okay, this guy's actually smart. I'm like, oh wait, he's actually kind of wise too. He just, you know, he has wisdom and in that. But kind of in a douchey way, but he's actually a, a smart guy and he has some wisdom to him. And so I was, and so I, I. So he was talking about that whole. He had a guest talking about the whole courts of heaven and I. It was really resonating. And so I've been getting into that.

[Matt]

Yeah, he had the war with these.

[Ed May]

Covenants and how God wants to come.

[Matt]

Timothy Albarino. Yeah, I think I know exactly.

[Top Lobster]

We don't talk about him on the show.

[Matt]

Yeah, we don't talk about like the most random.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, it's working.

[Ed May]

Cool.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Beef with who?

[Matt]

Okay. But, but that was your thing was just like going into the spirit realm and like coming before God and saying like, hey, you know, this is stuff that's come before me. But I'M repenting of all this stuff in my bloodline and.

[Ed May]

Yeah, and well, I've been following the guest he had and I forget his name, unfortunately. I, I, I may have my YouTube feed, but he was talking about the process and I, I already knew about our ability to be in the council of God, that we have that through Jesus, so I knew that part, but he kind of emphasized the whole court aspect and the fact that, you know, God deals with us in covenants.

[Matt]

It might have been the dude. The War Within Me. Michael. He's got like Italian last name because I think I remember watching Gray Hair.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Like grayish salt pepper hair.

[Ed May]

Yeah, bro.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The War Within Me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why does that look.

[Matt]

No, I just thought you were like ragging on me with the gray hair thing. Like, I got a couple in my beard. But I just.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

No, that's the guy. That's what he looks like. Yeah.

[Matt]

That dude is intriguing.

[Ed May]

I'm actually this guy, the guy who was on. His name is Robert Henderson.

[Matt]

No, that's a different guy.

[Ed May]

So, yeah, I've seen a lot of.

[Matt]

He does know a lot about spirit realm.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Something. He was saying, that guy, he doesn't look like that anymore.

[Ed May]

Okay. No, it's not, it's not that guy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay. Yeah, he, this guy's older.

[Ed May]

This guy looks like he's in his, maybe in his.

[Matt]

Ed, the guy that, the, the War Within Me dude, you would, you have any thoughts about that guy?

[Ed May]

I, I have not looked into him.

[Matt]

He's kind of intriguing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

He's got some fun stuff, but there was something that he had that, that threw me off a little bit. I think it was about this, this whole rapture thing that was supposed to happen.

[Matt]

You know, he knew a lot. I was watching him on like the Greater and Lesser Keys of Solomon and the whole concept of how Solomon had entrenched all the demonic realm with like spells. Yeah, I don't know. It was intriguing. It was obviously extra biblical.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We know all that stuff. We know all about that stuff.

[Ed May]

But you don't really.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Every time we try to talk to you about.

[Matt]

I just thought it was intriguing.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, listen, I, I want to. Number one, I want to bring this to a close because I want to talk to Ed off camera. Oh, you don't understand. We talk to Ed afterwards. He's our friend. Okay, that's.

[Top Lobster]

Well, we consider him a friend.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, yeah, I don't know if it's a two way relationship, but we do this in an effort to keep him close to us. We have to have some Ed time Ed. Oh, we have some super chats. You want to read the super chats?

[Top Lobster]

Let's read them off. I can't even see him. Yeah, go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Okay. FJ Fool. Thank you for the 4.99 donation. He says from Cher. What does Ed think of once saved, Always saved.

[Matt]

You need more than 4.99 for that one.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's a if. Would the extra penny have killed you? This is something that we've actually talked about on the show. Go ahead, Ed, take it away.

[Ed May]

Sure. So once they've always saved. What that means that no matter what you do, you can't lose your salvation. No, you cannot lose your salvation because it was a gift, but you can turn away from it. God.

[Matt]

Where's my guy? I knew I liked Ed. That's so plain, right?

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[Matt]

God will not get so hyper about.

[Top Lobster]

It making people nervous here.

[Ed May]

I know. I will not take your salvation from you. There's nothing God says. He gives his Holy Spirit out without repentance. So you are saved with God. Now you can now think of it like a gift. If, if I give you a gift, you take it. I can't. I'm not taking it back. It's a gift. But you can, you can give it away, but I'm not taking it from you. So. So because some people say once you become a Christian, you can never not be. It's like, well, how would. Unless God partially lobotomizes you, how can you give it away? And it comes from Calvinism. Calvinism, you know, the, the, the five steps of capital.

[Matt]

Calvin didn't even write that. Like somebody like that's happening today is like the so called intellectuals today, they aren't intellectual enough to understand Calvin's writings. A lot of stuff I read by Calvin is fire, bro. But like this, the way people explain it today, it's like you, I don't, I think this is way over your head and you can't explain it or understand it. You're just trying to parrot a guy that you don't understand.

[Ed May]

That's right.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

So.

[Ed May]

So the P and tulip. The P and tulip is preservation, a perseverance of the saints. Meaning that you're going to once, once you're saved, you preordained and you can't get out. God puts you in a spiritual headlock and say, you can't leave. No, you can stop. So if someone becomes a Christian, they can stop being a Christian. They can say, you know what? I no longer believe belief and they're no longer a Christian.

[Matt]

The bigger thing to me, though, is like, I just wonder, like, say somebody, like, came to you on your deathbed and said, like, hey, man, just to tell you, like, your loved one, your. Your child is. Is not walking with the Lord, man. You're like, I'm. I'm sorry. I don't want to be the one to tell you. You know, I can't imagine that anybody in that moment is going to, like, take comfort and be like, well, that's just because they were never saved to begin with. It's like, who cares, man? Who cares? You got to get on track with the Lord and you got to stay on track, man. You got to never take your foot off gas. And like, anybody who's, like, trying to take their foot off the gas or try to, like, have some doctrine that says, like, it's okay for me to, like, do whatever because I said a prayer one time. It's like, I. I don't know, man. That just sounds crazy to me, right?

[Ed May]

So once you become saved, you are. You are still. You are saved until. Until. Unless. Or until you reject it. But God will not take your salvation from you.

[Matt]

We're close now.

[Ed May]

Sorry.

[Matt]

Remember, Paul said, we're closer to our salvation now than when we first believed.

[Ed May]

Because we should be growing. We should be growing towards him. So basically. And the reason that people get this freaks people out because they think that there's some sin they can commit where God will say. God will say, okay, I'm done with you. I can't. No, there is not Jesus. There's no sin you can commit that Jesus didn't die for.

[Top Lobster]

There was a question in the Patreon. I guess we have to ask this other one. But they were asking about blasphemy.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's actually the same question. His wife, I believe.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no, that's not.

[Ed May]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

My mistake.

[Top Lobster]

They were. They were asking about blasphemy.

[Ed May]

The Holy Spirit.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Blasphemy, Blasphemy.

[Matt]

But to Ed's point, though, you're saved by grace, through faith, not of works. Lest any man should boast, you're not saved by not sinning. Like. Like. Like the scripture takes. Like, even when Peter is going to sin and deny Christ. And then Jesus says, hey, man, I prayed for you. He doesn't say, I pray for you that you don't sin. He said, I prayed for you that your faith doesn't fail you, Right?

[Ed May]

So. So blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And this freaks people out, too, because Jesus called, you know, the unpardonable sin. So people are saying, okay, what? I don't want to commit this, because if I commit this sin, then, you know, and it is unpardonable. Here's what it is. It actually goes back to what we just said about once saved, always saved. What is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit? Well, look at the context of what Jesus. When Jesus accused the Pharisees of that, what did the Pharisees just do before that? They accused Jesus of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub up basically Satan. So what they did was. And Jesus said the whole. I can, we can. You will be forgiven of all sins except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Basically, they said that Jesus was doing what he did through the power of the Holy Spirit. I mean, through the power of Satan. So if you believe that Jesus is doing something through the power of Satan, then you don't believe that Jesus is God. So, no, you can't. If you hold that sin, no, you can't be saved. You can't be forgiven of that because in order to be forgiven, you have to accept Jesus as your savior here. And if you believe that Jesus is doing things with the power of Satan, then you don't believe in Jesus. So that's what really comes down to the unpardonable sin is not believing in Jesus. Because you can't. You can't be forgiven without believing in Jesus and who he is and who he. And he. That he's the Son of God. You. That's why someone who's like a Muslim, for example, or even a Hindu says, yeah, I believe in Isa, that's they call Jesus. I believe he was a prophet, you know, less than Muhammad. You're not saved. You believe he exists, but you don't believe who he is.

[Matt]

But Ed, I think there's another layer to that too.

[Ed May]

Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Is.

[Matt]

Is just that like, like, like there was. Dude, there was people there who definitely blasphemed Jesus. There was people there. And those could have been some of those people that got saved on the Day of Pentecost. Like, I think there's an element of it as well where it's like, you could blaspheme the Father, you could blaspheme the Son, but the Holy Spirit is the last manifestation of God on the planet. There's nothing coming after him. Him. Like, this is the end. So, like there, there probably was people who did blaspheme Jesus and still did end up saved after the Resurrection.

[Ed May]

Right? So let me be more clear. If you hold on to that idea that Jesus Isn't God, then you can't. He can't forgive you. That doesn't mean if you do it once and say. Because there are people. I know, people who were about atheists who said, you know, Jesus is nothing. He's nobody. He's just a guy. If he even exists. And now they're saved. So they did blaspheme against him by saying that he wasn't who he was, but then they change their mind. If you hold on to it, he can't forgive that particular sin because you're holding it and you're not believing in him.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

What's really.

[Ed May]

Because, I mean, after all, Paul. Paul got saved. And Paul was a Pharisee.

[Matt]

Amen.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

The. A lot of the New Age movement. Well, you know how it's like, they'll accept the idea of Jesus, but they're.

[Ed May]

Like, that's not what.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

It's not what you think, though. He's like a Pleiadian or he's an ascended master or something like that. So it's like you. You create this alternate version of what? Look at it. Look at how. But that's what they're doing, right? You're talking attributing something other than the Holy Spirit being the. The source of power for Jesus Christ. And they're like, yeah, dude, Jesus is an alien, dude. No, no, no, you don't understand. Jesus is an ascended master or something like that. And so it's like, yeah, and you.

[Ed May]

Can have Christ consciousness. You don't have to believe. You can. Whatever. Yeah, then we know what that means, because Christ. Yeah, I mean, Christ is. Is the English transliteration of the Greek Christos, which means the anointed one. Christos is Mashiach. We just talked about this a few minutes ago. Mashiach is the anointed one. It means the high priest. So you. So you have the. The consciousness of a Jewish high priest.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Well, you know, like consciousness. Their thinking is like. You know, there's this whole meditative process. This is what they say. There's like. Like you. What do you anoint with? You anoint with oil. There's something called Christos oil that exists in your spine. You have 33 vertebrae. That's why Jesus lived 33 years old. If you. If you meditate hard enough, you can migrate the Christos oil to your pineal gland, and then you become an ascended master, like Jesus. That's Christ consciousness. And they go like the leaps and bounds of really gay stuff to come to a really dumb conclusion.

[Ed May]

Yeah, with that.

[Matt]

But then I do come around And a lot of the stuff it ends up being.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Being cool description.

[Top Lobster]

The scripture actually says that. So if you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Is in danger. So, like, yeah, like, if you do that, you were like, you're just in danger until you don't do that.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Then you're out of danger.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Around with danger.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's a good place to leave that phrase. They wanted to ask a last question.

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

About India. Why is it so full of demons? I. Dude, they're just bad.

[Ed May]

Look at the.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Look at the pantheon.

[Ed May]

Because. Because there were worse. Was that over 300 deities they're worshiping? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Yeah.

[Ed May]

And those are real things. They're not just, you know, those are real demonic entities. Real fallen Elohim. So that's why they have a lot of.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

They're all fighting each other for. For, you know, a dominion over India.

[Ed May]

And.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

And yeah, they're.

[Matt]

Horrible place.

[Top Lobster]

Dude.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Dude, it is. Is. It really is.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

All right, let's get out of here, because you got to ask him a question. I gotta get.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I just wanted to talk to him. I don't ask no questions. I just. Ms. Ed.

[Top Lobster]

Wow.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right.

[Top Lobster]

Can we. Can we end the show? Are you okay?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Are you all right with us ending?

[Top Lobster]

I just like.

[Matt]

You guys, like. Oh, podcasts have a time limit.

[Top Lobster]

They do have a time limit.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

I mean, they have, like, you know, not everybody.

[Ed May]

It's called attention span of the listener.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

That's really what it is. Yeah. And it's all predicated on mine. Ed, let's. Before we get out of here, tell everybody where they could find.

[Matt]

Find you.

[Ed May]

Sure. Faith by reason.net all my material is there. If you become a member, then you get access to all of it. There's still some free stuff there too, but, you know, become a member, you get access to everything. My Patreon. Patreon.com faithby Reason. If you go there, you get bonus episodes. You get everything when it. My content, when it drops first, you get the Q&As. You get discounts on books. You get to be part of the Revelation series in the Genesis series. And if you go to a higher tier, you can be part of my monthly Bible study where we go through the entire Bible in one year from the spiritual point of view. And of course, as it was mentioned earlier, it's a 501C3, so you may have tax benefits. Talk to your tax professional.

[Matt]

Oh, this is like the right use of 501. He's not putting a show on on Sunday morning. He's doing the work.

[Top Lobster]

We got music.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

We've got music, we got lights.

[Matt]

Just, like, legit with tons of information and things for people.

[Top Lobster]

Did you know that my first girlfriend was named Jezebel?

[Ed May]

Really? Oh.

[Matt]

What? When were you gonna say that?

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Who names their daughter?

[Ed May]

I'm. Seriously. It's like naming your kid Adolf. Why would you.

[Matt]

No, we had somebody in Bible study just said the same thing the other day.

[Ed May]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Never heard of somebody named Jezebel.

[Top Lobster]

She was very nice.

[Matt]

She's a very nice thing this girl said.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, Totally not a. Not her. All right.

[Ed May]

Whoa.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just saying.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right, man.

[Top Lobster]

She was nice.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

Nice Christian show. It's just.

[Top Lobster]

All right, guys. Thanks for hanging Ed. Thanks for hanging out. We're gonna talk to you for a minute, I guess. And until next time, obey, submit and comply. Hold on. How do I end the stream?

[Ed May]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. What they see with their eyes is what there is to see. Because they'll act in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what. And they have.

[Matt]

I'm not.

[David Lee Corbo (Raven)]

All right.