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The Great White Throne: The Book of Revelation Series Part XX w/ Ed Mabrie
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In this powerful episode of nephilim Death Squad, the team sits down with expert theologian Ed Mabrie to dive deep into the profound biblical concept of New Jerusalem as described in the Book of Revelation. Join us for an in-depth discussion on the...
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David Lee Corbo
We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going.
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Top Lobster
On is absolutely oh yeah, dude, there's some nephilim.
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Ed Mabry
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave mother. They control this now when no one's talking about how they made us try to be claims and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds Wanna wake up to a dead in the grave fighting it's too late we need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of days, everybody. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is top Lobster, the father of disinformation. And today is Friday, baby. And Fridays are for the Lord. Welcome back to the another episode of the continuation of the Book of Revelation series with Ed Mabry. What number are we on now? I don't see Roman numerals, so I can't say.
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Top Lobster
Oh, X.
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David Lee Corbo
Are we at 20?
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Ed Mabry
Are we at 20? Did we do 20 of these damn things?
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David Lee Corbo
Maybe, I think. Because I. I thought we were all 19 last time, but yeah, I think. Incredible.
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Ed Mabry
No, I think you're about right. Yeah. Number 20. Awesome. Awesome. Well, welcome back, Ed Mabry, for the people. Just let them know where they can find your work and then we'll get into where we're going today.
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David Lee Corbo
Sure. So the best place to find me is my website, faithbyreason.net. that's all my. All my stuff is there. Blog, podcast videos. You see my first episode of the Genesis series. Actually, I was planning on having the second episode up, but something really interesting happened because my second episode, I'm giving man's perspective on the book of Genesis and I was including some of the fraudulent work by, I wouldn't say my arch rival, my arch enemy, Billy Carson, who basically is the opposite of me.
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Top Lobster
Something happened today. Did you see?
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, I saw it. Please wait, wait. Sorry to interrupt you, Ed. Can you explain it?
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Top Lobster
We love interrupting. Ed. We got it. Follow Ed on Twitter is follow my Twitter as well. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go full screen here.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay.
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Top Lobster
Billy Carson. I didn't watch the video, but I read the headline and that's all you need to know. That's. He debated a Christian, a Christian theologist, and I was like, was it. Was it Ed? Did he debate you?
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, I wish it was. Go ahead, because that's what I'm going there. Yeah, that's why delay.
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Top Lobster
He got so thoroughly routed, I suppose, that he is now suing this guy.
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Ed Mabry
Insane. Insane. I couldn't imagine. Imagine being on somebody's show and then it's like all they did was release the footage and you're like, you got to take that down, dog. You got to take that down. That's how bad apparently it went. I got to watch it. I have to watch.
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David Lee Corbo
I saw it. And so in my original video that I was going to upload, I just mentioned that, you know, why I think he's a fraud and a con man. And I mentioned that, you know, I heard about him getting his clock cleaned by a Christian scholar. But I saw it this morning, I saw the video and he got his ass handed to him. It was beautiful. I mean, he got just destroyed. And the funny thing is, the guy who did it, I think his name is Wes not. If I was on there would have been very much. It would have been more contentious because I would have just called him out and straight up. But this guy was just like the nicest guy. He's a Christian scholar, just really nice, very calm, very low key. And that probably made it worse because he, Billy would say, blah, blah, blah. He would say, you know, we. Well, you've got this, this, what do you call the Sinai Bible that says Jesus wasn't crucified. And the guy says, really? Because I have that book right behind me and I'm opening it up and it says right here it has. Jesus was crucified. And this was in the third century. Because Carson says the. Well, this Sinai Bible was written in 100, a couple hundred years before the King James Version. He says, really? Well, you know, the King James Version isn't a Bible. It's just a translation. We have the original scriptures here and they all. And he says, well, what about the. The go.
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Top Lobster
Is this the guy?
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David Lee Corbo
Okay, that's the guy. Very smart guy.
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Ed Mabry
He looks like a sleeper cell, like a dude that would terminate you.
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David Lee Corbo
But. So, but I, I'm going to put the link and I'm going to put the link in the video and, and kind of talk about it a little bit more in mind. But yeah, he. Everything Carson brings up, he just demolishes it in like the nicest way. He just says, really? Because you've talked about the book of the. The Gospel of Barnabas, you know, that was written in the 1400s and it was written in, in Italian and Spanish. Right? So that's not. It's actually. It's a fraud. It's a forgery. And then Billy, just like he says, well, okay, I'll acquiesce to that. Let's go to the Old Testament and look at this. And then it was a takedown, a bloodbath.
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Ed Mabry
See, the problem is, is because, like, look, I don't know Billy Carson and, and I do appreciate people we were talking about.
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Top Lobster
Look at this.
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Ed Mabry
Sam Tripley, it's one of our favorite people. That's him. Oh, Dude, Yeah, he looks 100% like. I mean, he's got.
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David Lee Corbo
He can be.
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Ed Mabry
This is.
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Top Lobster
This is actually his Twitter. This dude's jacked. Yeah, Billy, he didn't look that big.
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David Lee Corbo
In the video, so now I'm really admired for not going off.
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Ed Mabry
Christian Hulk. Yeah. He's like, I don't need to. My visage is very intimidating. But we were talking before the show about Sam Tripoli and how he's one of our favorite people. And I love watching the journey that Tripley is going through, because he is. At the end of the day, he's looking for truth. And right now, he has Jesus Christ in his heart. He loves Jesus Christ. He says that, like, every episode, and. But he's still exploring, like, all these different avenues, and some people get mad at him for the things that he explores. But to me, it's like, Sam has always been looking in the truth for the truth. He's a very genuine guy. Billy Carson, on the other hand, has a narrative that he's built a career off of, and he cannot yield from that narrative. He has to. It has to be right, because everything is riding on this, and I recognize that about him. Previously, there was a time when we were on the best political show. We were keyed into the fact that he was going to be the next guest. And so you're allowed to leave a question for the next guest. And the question that we left was actually one that Top came up with, which was, how come all of these entities, from demonic experiences to alien encounters, Bigfoots, and cryptids, all flee at the name of Jesus Christ? And Billy's answer was something like, well, Christ is something of an aggregor. And so if you put enough faith into an idea, then that faith will protect you, which is just leaps and bounds to get to that place when it says in scripture that Jesus Christ gives you the authority to tread on serpents and scorpions. So, I mean, like, it's right there. You're giving me, like, an above and beyond. I can create an imaginary protector in my mind. It's a whole thing.
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Top Lobster
This guy seems nice, but, I mean, Billy relies on known forgery. Gospel of Jesus's wife. Genesis word for word, copied.
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David Lee Corbo
There's no such thing as the Gospel of Jesus's wife that Carson talks about. And again, the guy just brings the receipts and says, no, actually, what you're talking about is the Gospel of Philip, which briefly mentions it, and it was mistranslated. And he said that the document you. That you're using is a PDF from the Internet. It's not an ancient document and that's incredible. Billy had nothing.
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Ed Mabry
That's incredible.
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Top Lobster
I gotta watch this.
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Ed Mabry
We gotta get that guy in the show.
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Top Lobster
If you're into humiliation porn, this is it right here.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, I don't, I don't necessarily want that for Billy Carson, but it's just like when you have this smugness about you and everything is like, you know, the Anunnaki sky daddies and, and how the, you know, the Bible is completely wrong. It's like everything that we approach, you know, these topics with, it's like, I don't know, that seems interesting. Let's explore it. This guy is like, this is the definitive truth and I am now the arbiter of it. And that's when you get yourself into a whole lot of trouble and get taken down by the vanilla gorilla. That dude was jacked as.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, he was huge. I mean, and yeah, we can, we can move up room but I mean the, the thing that annoys me about him is that again he speaks with this authoritative tone and the problem with, is not personally, I don't really care about him one way or the other, but it's really what he's doing to other Christians and making them doubt their FAI and bringing in and he, he has nothing. And he'll say I'm the four. He calls it self appointed. I'm the foremost expert in ancient languages and cylinders and all this kind of stuff. But nothing he has is real. He talks about these emerald tablets of Toth. Yeah, there's no such thing.
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Ed Mabry
Nobody's seen them.
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David Lee Corbo
They don't exist. They were, they were, they were apparently found in the 1930s by this guy who's also a con man by the name of Maurice Dorial. He said he found them in the pyramids of Giza. I guess everyone else who, who, who explored the pyramids just must have missed them. And he just happens to find these emerald tablets and he translates them. Turns out that his name is not Maurice D'Oreal. His real name is Claude Doggett. He just changed it because Maurice Dorial sounds better than Claude Doggett and bad name. Yeah, they don't exist. There's no evidence that they. But Billy has a book that he, that he sells that talking about these emerald tablets and again there, there's no such thing. They don't exist. Right. And he's built his entire career over fraudulent stuff and it's a house of cards. That's why he's suing. Because if this gets out and it's already Getting out, then his career is over. I mean, he's on Rogan, for God's sake. I mean, I was doing our part.
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Top Lobster
But we're doing our part. Let's make this go viral.
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Ed Mabry
Well, I don't know. I mean, look, man, if. If this guy really did hand in the ass whooping that it seems like he did, I would hope that Billy Carson has enough wherewithal to just go, hey, the information that I was invested in turns out to not be true. Let me, you know, pivot and start to look at some of these things, these misconceptions, and let's unload them. And so, you know, hopefully anyone, anyone.
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Top Lobster
This full of themselves. Because like, when I saw him, we were like I said, we were just speaking with Luke. And then I see this guy come and he does this thing where he's like very up and he's like speaking down to you and he's like, right, like you don't know anything. Actually, this is what happened here. And Jesus didn't exist, stupid. And it's like somebody with this type of attitude is going like he's Streisand affecting himself. Let him do it. I think it's hilarious.
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Ed Mabry
I like that juxtaposition too, by the way, where it's like in that little moment, that's the only interaction we ever had. But it was like self proclaimed retards asking a question. And I'm literally wearing the shirt, right? Self proclaimed retards asking a question and then being talked down on by somebody who considers themselves an authority. And it's like, I will never consider myself an authority. I will always temper everything I say with like, but I'm an idiot. And I think that there's probably some wisdom in that, but I'm too stupid to see it. But you know what I mean? It's just like us doing that and then asking this guy who is, you know, like I said, self proclaimed authority on it. I think that's just really funny. And then it's like, look, look how that's going for him. But let's, let's detach from that. Hopefully we do get to watch, you know, this develop some.
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David Lee Corbo
I will say I'll send you guys a link afterwards and it'll be on, on the show. I'm gonna upload and try to upload part two, hopefully today, if not then by Monday at the latest. And I'll just. Hopefully the link will be taken down. Because if he's suing, which I totally understand, I would think the links down already don't want this out.
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Top Lobster
I read it. I read it. Might be down already.
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Ed Mabry
Look at this. I remember Clint being enamored by Billy. Bought every bit of it. Well, look. And it's still on his journey.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, yeah.
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Top Lobster
Texting him as Billy is talking this, and I was like, he's lying to you. He's a snake.
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David Lee Corbo
He's.
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Ed Mabry
Just listen to him.
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David Lee Corbo
Who's the other guy? A Terrence Howard actor who actually did this whole thing on Rogan. And I'm like, dude, you're saying stuff that doesn't make sense. But, but, but he sounds. He sounds intelligent. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about. And he's very. That's. That's what a con man does. I mean, con in. Con man stands for confidence, and he comes across as intelligent. But when you look at it, he's actually not very bright at all.
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Ed Mabry
I mean, I'm sure there's some. Some interesting ideas that he was starting to touch on Terrence Howard. But I did watch the Internet just tear him apart. And I personally, I was like, I'm not watching that. I'm not going to waste my time. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, but on a second note, real quick, or a note that's aligned with that top, we should have him on to dispel the Anunnaki, you know, Thoth, Emerald tablets, all that stuff. We should reach out to this guy and have him on. I think that'd be a lot of fun.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, totally. I touch on him in my Genesis series, but, I mean, I'm not the expert. This guy Wes, he is a scholar. I mean, the guy knows what he's talking about. I, you know, I admire him, the way he just has all his material, like, ready to go.
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Ed Mabry
Love it. Love it. That's awesome. That's awesome. And the guy, apparently is a sweetheart, so there's that, too.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yes. He's very, very, very nice. Even when he was interviewed about the inner. About the. The takedown not being put up, he said, well, he said, well, you know, Billy doesn't want it up because, you know, I think. I don't think the interview went very well for him. No, it was not very well. He got his ass handed to him by you. And you're kind.
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Ed Mabry
You murdered a man and you're going. I don't know if it went very well for him. All right, so let's get into. What are we. What are we going to be talking about today, Ed?
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David Lee Corbo
We are going to be talking about the Great White Throne judgment. So where we left off the last time I was on was we went through the millennial reign of Christ, the thousand year period where Satan is locked up for a thousand years. Jesus rules and reigns perfectly and justly and people hate it because they're still, you know, sending people on the, in the world and they get what they want. They, everyone says they want, you know, perfect rulership, perfect peace, perfect provision. But the problem is if you have perfect justice, and that means justice has to be meted out immediately and perfectly and people aren't going to like it and they're going to rebel. And then Satan's released for the quote unquote little season and he, and he quickly turns the entire world against Jesus and they march on Jerusalem and you know, they're quickly destroyed. And the whole point of it was to show that no matter what God tries, unredeemed man will never choose to be God like God on their own. They'll never choose God on their own, no matter what the situation is, even if it's a perfect situation. So now that all that's done, it's God's wrapped everything up. He's shown beyond a reasonable any doubt that the only way for this world to work would be his plan. And so now he, he is a God of justice and he has to execute final judgment, final justice. And that's where, that's where we're going to go. And with Revelation 20 starting at about.
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Ed Mabry
Verse 11, all right, we were keeping themes of ass whoopings.
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Top Lobster
We were talking yesterday with a Q guy, Dave Snedeker, and you know, he's pro Trump, but one of the things that I kind of saw and I was like, yeah, that is true. It's like Trump in his policy said that he's going to basically leave abortion back up to the states, right? And you know, people freaked out he's going to take it all away from us. But I'm like, no, it's like it's the most fair thing you could do. Like that's what this is how God would actually act. God would be like, I'm going to leave it up to you.
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Top Lobster
And still you're gonna have a bunch of people who, I mean, this is black and white choice. Like, some people are gonna choose to kill and some people won't. And it's like no matter what you do, you can't. Like, they just can't be left up to choice because they're gonna, they're gonna choose this stuff, you know?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it's pretty much. I mean, I've been asked if I'm pro choice is that, you know, I'm actually, I'm pro consequence. You have the freedom to make the choices you want, but you better. You. But you should know what the consequences are and ask yourself if you can live with the consequences, whatever they may be.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know that. But that is. I wonder how we're gonna see that unfold in the future. Because it seems inherently when mankind is given freedom, that we repeatedly make the wrong choices. And I do anticipate that we're moving into something of, you know, the Trump calls it a golden age, whatever you want to call it. We're moving into a place that I think we're going to be granted more freedoms potentially. And I wonder how that's going to turn out. It just, I don't know. Like, did you know that they have an experiment that they did where they give you the candy aisle? Right. And one candy aisle for one control group has like, you know, every type of candy that you could think of. I think specifically it might have been M&M's, but either way it doesn't matter. Every type of candy that you could think of. And then what they did is they measured buyer's remorse afterwards. And the other control group, by the way, they gave like three choices. And the control group who got three choices expressed significantly lower percentages of buyers remorse than the people who had all of the options. And I feel like that's. There's something there about mankind where it's like, when we're given actual freedom, when we're given all of the options, it. It screws with us internally and I don't know what that says about us, but it seems like if you, the longer the leash is for mankind, the more we screw up. Yourself, externally and internally. Yeah, yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
I think it's just part of our nation that we're going to go for the worst possible thing. That's why, you know, the, the laws, you know, the law existed in, you know, when, when God first created, you know, the, the world. And you know, Adam and Eve obviously had the one rule about the eating from the tree of knowled evil. But then after that, like in the Antediluvian period, you know, the pre flood period, there was there, there was no law. You were just supposed to just learn and, and do the right thing. What did they do? They, you know, the nephilim thing happened and they, God said every, every thought of man was evil. So they were given maximum freedom during the period and it got to the point where they, they couldn't even think good thoughts anymore. And that's why God had to come up with the law. So look, I need to give you guys some guardrails so that, you know, not to screw. They didn't know what right or wrong was. They just did what was in their heart and what was in their heart was evil.
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Top Lobster
Statue of Liberty, right, Overlooking New York City. That's what I think of. It's just the city of debauchery.
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David Lee Corbo
It's actually samurai miss but yeah, that's the Statue of Liberty.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
I don't think that, you know, we say we want freedom and I think that the spirit of that is actually like the spirit of rebellion or the spirit of liberation. And I think that that kind of sounds good in modern day culture. 2024, liberation and freedom sounds good, but I just don't think even historically it's like when a people was liberated, it doesn't go well.
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Top Lobster
Liberated from what though? You know.
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Ed Mabry
Exactly. That's the problem here. It's like liberated from a man who is fallible. Making decisions on a governmental level I can understand. But there's always going to be a power vacuum after that and another fallible man is going to step in. And so it seems like this thing that we strive for will never be satiated, can only be satiated by Christ. But we're going to continue to pursue it. And because nobody is going to live up to the, the person that we need to rule us, we're going to continuously chase this thing and fall on our face, chase this thing and fall on her face over and over again.
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David Lee Corbo
You know what's Interesting. I didn't bring this up the last time you talked is that you can. And well, maybe next week I'll bring up the chart that I was meant to bring up that kind of shows the history of, of everything from, from Eden all the way. Because Eden, you know, starts off with perfection. Then you kind of go down, down, down to. And the lowest point is like the end of the Old Testament where, you know, you know, God's nation is no longer, is no longer independent. No one is seeking God. And you know, and, and it looks like Satan is winning. And that's when one of my friends says he's, you know, well, God, God said, I'm done. I'm. I'm tagging Jesus and I can't handle these people anymore. And then it go. Starts going up and starts and starts rebuilding and getting back towards the Eden. And if you look at, you can basically juxtapose the millennium with the antediluvian period because it's very similar in that there is no long life and there and every, you know, all the animals are tame or vegetarian and all these different things are happening. But the difference is that there was total freedom in pre flood and, but this is like the pre flood period with total rules where Jesus is ruling with a rod of iron. So they had both chances. You had a chance of having, you know, total freedom and having this great, you know, paradise. But now I'm going to give you the same paradise, but with rules. In both times, the same thing happens. All of man goes evil. So again, it's like no matter what God does, we can't handle it, man.
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Ed Mabry
I mean, I. There's a part of me that's like hesitant to say this, and I say this with a little bit of a joke, but it's like, man, we do suck. Like, I know, because the reason I'm hesitant to let that fly is because like, we're made in God's image. And I know that we're very special and God loves us, but it. You hear this and you start to understand it and you're like, just somehow built into our nature is just suck. We just suck so bad.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, understand what the image of God means. A lot of people don't have the right definition, which I'll be giving in a Genesis series. When it says we're made in the image of God, it doesn't mean like, you know, that God has two arms and legs and like that, or that we are made to be it. We don't have. We're not made With God's nature. What it means is that we, we were made to bear the image of God. We're God's image bearers. So what that means is that when he created Adam, and even technically all humanity is made in the image of God, only Adam and Eve were, We are made in the image of Adam and Eve. God never says in the Bible that all of humanity is made in his image, only the original human beings. But image bearers mean, means that they basically were God's stand in, in creation. So creation would obey Adam and Eve the way it would obey God. It's like you remember in the, the show Game of Thrones, there was, you know, you'd have the king and you had another guy who called, who was called the hand of the king.
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Ed Mabry
Right, right.
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David Lee Corbo
So whenever the king was away, they had to obey the hand of the king as they would the king. So being his image bearer meant because after this, on the seventh day, God rested. And what that really means is that on the seventh day, God ceased his activity. He ceased being the first cause. He stopped unilaterally, unilaterally implementing his will. After the seventh day, God only reacted. You will look throughout the Bible, God never initiates anything. Everything God does from the, from original sin all the way to the end is God reacting to what we do. He gave man. He said, you, he gave man that authority. He says, you, you can initiate your will. I'm just going to react to it. So he stepped down, as it were, and man for his image. And that's why all creation obeyed Adam. So that, that's just a little technical term. That's what that means.
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Top Lobster
It's funny to think that before the deception in the garden, because like, if you look at it from that, that angle. Well, look at it from the standard angle. From what I've understood, Eve is decepted in the garden. And you look at her like a child almost. You're like, oh, he tricked her. He's, he's around forever. But through that angle, she was his boss. So she might have even given him instruction previously and told him what to do. Which makes that a deception. But it also, it puts it more on the people on Eve and Adam for making this choice.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes, it says in the. Oh, God. Was it in Hebrews? No, it was in Hebrews, Romans, I forget which book. But it says that Eve was deceived. Adam was not. God gave the command not to give the tree to Adam. He did not give it directly to Eve.
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Ed Mabry
Adam, dude, this is so crazy. I was literally Gonna. I've been waiting for a moment so I could ask you about this very thing. Because I've heard that recently. And I was like, I gotta ask Ed that. Is that true? Like, because it does seem like, yeah, God gave Adam the warning, and then I guess it was Adam's job to pass the word or.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, that was a hierarchy, you know, because it was God, then Adam, then Eve. Not because Eve was lower than Adam necessarily, that the woman's lower than man, but because that's. That was, you know, God has a hierarchy. You have Father, Son, Holy Spirit, they're all God, but they have a different level. God is the Father, Jesus is second, and the Holy Spirit, you know, does their will. So they've all just agreed to that. And that's how it works. And it was supposed to be the same way there. It was supposed to be the same model. So God told Adam. Adam was to talk, was to teach Eve. So either Adam didn't teach her well, or he taught her imperfectly. Or maybe he's the one who said that you shouldn't touch the fruit. Because what happened was, you know, you have the serpent, actually, the nakash. It wasn't a. It wasn't a talking snake. Nakash. It was translated serpent. What it means is. It can mean serpent if it's used as a noun, however.
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Ed Mabry
Right?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it means the Shining One when used as a proper title. So it says the Shining One was more, was wiser than any other created being. So wasn't saying he was wiser than the other animals as any he. It was basically that verse is contrasting the nakash with any other part of creation, saying this creature was the wisest of all of God's creation. And Eve was not freaked out because she. They were. They would deal with the angels, with the Elohim. So that's what this entity was. And he was there to test them. He was supposed. I think we talked about this before. Like, who is. Is this the same Satan that's in the Book of Job? No, this entity, his job, he had the same job description. And his job was to test. And that was the job of the. Of the Hasatan, the Satan in Job. But it was a different entity. That's a whole other thing. We can get into another time. But the point is he was there to test Eve and Adam because again, God had to know if they would choose him. And this entity whose job was to. He was the same. He was the accuser, the arbitrator. He's not. Sorry, not the arbitrary. He was Like a prosecuting attorney. He was just there to present an alternative and just, and, and test them. But, but he failed because he lied. He should have just said, you know, what did God say about this tree? And when Eve said, you know, God says we can't eat it or even touch it or we'll die. And it should have gone from there. But what he said was, oh no, no, no, you will not die. You'll become like, like the Elohim. You'll become like one of us. That was a lie. And that's how that, you know, that's how that all went down. So Eve said, you shouldn't touch it. God never said don't touch it. He just said, don't eat it. Eve added that and because basically that's, that's the origin of religion. Religion is when you want to improve on God. When you want to take your thoughts and elevate them to the same level as God's thoughts. Because you want, you're essentially improving on it. It's man made.
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Ed Mabry
First game of telephone. More or less, yeah, yeah, more or less.
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David Lee Corbo
Like anything, anything you do on your own to reach divinity is your religion, is your religion. Eve basically said, well, I know God said we can't eat the fruit, but if we can't touch it either, then we definitely can't eat it. So I've just improved on what God did. That's what religion is. If you look at all the things that man talks about, says that we should do to be like God, that God never said, like, you know, a benign example of that. You know, when I was growing up, when you went to church, you had to dress nicely. I had to dress in a suit as a kid, you know, going to church. God never said that you have to do that and be in his presence. God doesn't care what your wardrobe is. That's your man made stuff, right? And all the things we can get into. You know, Catholicism is full of religion, all kinds of stuff like lighting candles and rubbing rosary beads and doing all these different things. That's all religion because there's nothing in the Bible about that. That's man made stuff. That's a burden that's put on you. That's what Jesus. That was Jesus's main problem with the Pharisees. He says in the Gospels, you heap up all these rules on, on top of man, making it impossible for man to ever come to God because they think they have to obey all these man made rules anyway.
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Ed Mabry
Jesus say something to the effect of like my yoke is easy. My burden is light.
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly. Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
It shouldn't be this big impossible task to adhere to and to try to follow. How is that true if in the same breath he says that?
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly. You believe. You. You're saved by believing. But then you have other religions that say, okay, you can. You can believe, but then you have to do all these different other things to be like God. No, he just said, you believe in me, and my holy Spirit will begin to change you.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
So the point of all that is. And then we'll get back to Revelation when. When the Nakash heard her say that you can't touch it, he said, oh, you're religious. You're in pride. You want. You're trying to be like God. Now I know how to get you. And that's what happened. So it's possible that Adam didn't teach her well. Or maybe Adam came up with the whole don't touch it thing.
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Top Lobster
Right? I mean, that's like teaching your children, right? Like, you. You're kind of a. Oh, my God. You over. Teach them to keep them away from that. The serpent in the garden. And then you end. They end up going towards it instead.
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Ed Mabry
It's the same thing. It's like, the pot is hot, and I'm afraid of touching that and getting burned. So instead of saying, like, the pot is hot, I just tell him to stay out of the kitchen. It's like, well, technically, you could be in the kitchen. There's so much going on in the kitchen that you should have access to, but the pot is hot, and I'd rather you just not be here at all. And so I'm gonna make an executive decision.
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Top Lobster
My mom, my kids, she. And she. I guess she did that with me to a certain level. And I had to have a talk with her. I'm like, hey, you can't lie to them. Like, I'll tell my kids straight up, even if it's, like, really brutal. Like, the other day, my son was playing with his junk, and I was like, don't do that. You're gonna. Like, he's doing weird. You know, just a little kiss of. I was like, you're gonna hurt yourself. You can get infection, yada, yada. And he was like, so what? And I was like, you're gonna need that. And he's like, for what? And I was like, yes.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
It's like, you're gonna need it. You're gonna. You make babies with that. And he's 4, and he looked at me for, like, a good, like, 30 seconds, and then he's like, let's go play something. And I was like, all right. I said, whatever. I just told him here. I was like, oh my God, he's four years old. I'm telling about like basically the birds and bees, but I can't lie to you. I'm gonna tell you the truth because in the end, like, when you do learn it, you're not gonna trust me later on, you know?
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, that's better than what I did because my son was, for some reason, he was like singing this song the other day and he's like flicking his nipples. And instead of me having anything constructive to say about it, I just go, hey, don't do that, dude. And he's like, why not? And I'm like, cuz it's weird. Don't do weird shit around me. So.
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Top Lobster
Kids are weird, dude.
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Ed Mabry
Maybe I gotta like, clarify. He stopped. He was like, oh, I guess it's weird that I won't do that anymore. But he had a song and everything was like, flicking these nips. Flicking these nips. I was like, you better get the.
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David Lee Corbo
Hell out of here with that. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a lot. My, my son's gonna be hitting puberty in a couple years now. Well, we got. So I'm already starting to have talks with him about that kind of stuff and.
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Ed Mabry
Oh God, I'm not looking forward to that at all. Not, not fun. Not fun. It is funny, by the way, the ways in which like, we derail ed from. Well, not only derail ed, but like parenthood really makes you feel like empathize, emphasize with God. You're like, dude, I get it a little bit now. I understand it.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
These kids are.
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Ed Mabry
Richard Raven's kid is totally his kid.
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Top Lobster
It is if you ever met him. It's incredible.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh yeah.
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Ed Mabry
Oh yeah. All right, all right. So please, let's. Let's get back on track. Where the hell did we derail you?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, we were just about. I forgot how we got on Adam and Eve, but I think. Oh no. What I was saying is that, yeah, you know, you have the millennium was like all the free was like, you know, all the perfection, but with rules. And it just shows, you know, no matter what we do, we're never going to be like God. So the point is that God has proven his point and now it's time to square things away because we. It's time to get to. It's time to get to heaven. It's time to get to the. Excuse me. The New Jerusalem. But he's got to do the final judgment, so we should probably just start by reading my glasses back on the. The passage. Cool. Okay. Are we in? Let's go to chapter 20.
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Top Lobster
That's chapter one. I'm like, this isn't right. Okay. All right.
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David Lee Corbo
And let's go down to verse 11. Okay. So. And I saw the great. And I saw a great white throne and him who sat on it from whom Whose face the earth and heavens fled away. And. And there was no. It was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God. And the books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it. And death and hell were delivered up to. I'm sorry. And death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. So this is some. This is serious stuff. So what I want to start with is by differentiating between the two different judgments that will happen once we die. There are two judgments. There is the judgment seat of Christ, and there's a Great White Throne judgment. You want to be in the first one. You want to be at the judgment seat of Christ. You do not want to be in this Great White Throne that we see in verse 11. The reason is that the judgment seat of Christ is for those who are in Christ. And this is for the Great White Throne is for people who are not in Christ. And that term. And here's the thing. We all instinctively, no matter what your faith or religious background or even lack of religious background is, we all instinctively know that we're going to give account for ourselves. We. We just understand that it's in pop culture, that we just know that you can look at any. In a secular source, you die. And what's going to happen, you see your life flash before your eyes and you overlook your life. We know that it's one of the reasons that atheists are atheists. In my opinion. I think that atheists don't want to be accountable. They're rebelling against being accountable, but they instinctively know it, which is why they're always so bloody angry and why they're so hostile, because I get them coming into my comments. I know I'm gonna have a lot of them coming in with the Genesis series because I'm going to get into evolution and how stupid and impossible that ridiculous theory is. And even in my first episode where I just barely, I think I mentioned evolution a little bit and I had like atheists just like coming into my comments. I'm like, really? Here's my thing. Here's why I find atheists so funny. If you, if you are truly an atheist, if you truly believe that there is no God, there's no afterlife, there's no spirituality, nothing after this life, the 70, 80 years you're here on earth, oblivion. That means that the most precious commodity you have is time because you can never get it back. You can always make more money, you can always have more pleasure, blah, blah. Every second that passes is one second closer to the end. So why would you spend a single second arguing over a God you don't even think is real? Right. Why would you come into someone's comments and. Because I don't really engage with them that much. I may give them a one liner because you know, whatever. But don't get into arguments with like other Christians on, on my side. There's one, it's like one, it's like a thread of like 20 different comments and going back and forth like this is hours of your life.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
That you're never getting back because they're.
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Ed Mabry
So invested in it not being true. To go back to your earlier point.
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David Lee Corbo
It'S the equivalent to me of like, let's say that, you know, I was, I was mad at Top and you know, I'm gonna, I wanted to assault him so I would, I say, you know, Top, I'm so pissed off at you, I'm gonna throw a diamond ring and hit you in the head. Okay, well I've kind of. I hit you in the head. I won. No, I just lost something very precious for the small satisfaction of hitting somebody in the head. But I threw, I hit them in the head with something that's extremely precious and valuable. That's your time, atheist. What are you doing spending it arguing about something you allegedly don't even think is real. But the point is they don't want to be accountable. So what they're trying to do is they're fighting against their unconscious mind. Their unconscious brain knows your conscious mind sees reality and it's it unfiltered and it's saying, hey, there's no way life can come from non life. There's no way. There's no evidence for any of this stuff you believe, so why do you believe it? And. But your conscious brain can fight against it. And they're, they're fight. So anyone, when you're in a fight with an atheist, you're not fighting against them, they're fighting with themselves. That's what the problem is, right? They're trying to beat themselves. They're trying to defeat you in an argument so they feel better about themselves. But again, they're throwing, they're hitting you to head with the diamond ring.
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Ed Mabry
I used to have a buddy who I would. He was atheist and we would go back and forth, and at the time I was agnostic, but I couldn't deny that there was all these elements of spirituality that were there for anybody willing to look. And so we would debate back and forth, we work together, and we'd be in the back, you know, in this warehouse area for hours on end just going back and forth. And everything he said was, what about this? What about this? What about this? Prove it. And everything that I was saying was like, well, here's this, here's this, here's this. But I don't know, at the end of the day and like, my energy was so much like, well, this is an interesting conversation. I want to tell you about some interesting that I know about. Who knows the myster, the mystery of life, right? And, and this dude who's like, you know, invested, he's constantly trying to like, you know, almost play a verbal game of chess where he's cutting you off ahead of time, laying traps for you, waiting for you to walk into them, and it would just never work because I was. Dude, the debate tactics are so gay. But, you know, I do have that. I've experienced that too, where, like, they're so invested. This is a game that they're playing where they have to win. And it's like, why is it so. I think you hit the nail on the head. Why is it so important for them to win? Because it's what gives them solace. They have to believe that they're not going to have to answer for the. That they did one day.
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Top Lobster
Shout out to aware American listening from a boom lift today. This is. I love people. That's awesome. They, they, they love tuning in and we love, we love that you're here. So. Yeah, right.
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David Lee Corbo
But what you were saying, Raven, you're absolutely right. They are trying to. They're fighting a losing war because once. Let's say that they happen to be very, very smart. And they're arguing against a believer who's maybe not as. Doesn't have the acumen. Okay, you won the fight. Now what? Now I got to go to your next fight. Because you're still not happy because you weren't fighting. You're not fighting against the Christian. You're fighting against your own mind.
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Ed Mabry
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
And you're never going to be happy. So. But the point is that they know there's accountability, and they're. They're fighting against the inevitable, and that's why they're so angry and miserable, because they can never, ever win that battle. So.
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Top Lobster
And this. This judgment is for them. We're all. We're talking, right?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. So let's talk about the first one, the judgment seat of Christ, which is actually that word judgment in the Greek is. The word is bema. It's the bema seat of Christ. And I like using the term bema instead, because judgment sounds like, well, okay, Jesus. Jesus is here to judge you for everything you've done as a Christian. Not in the bad sense. The word bema is actually. The Greeks came up with that word. It's the word they use in their Olympics. We know, you know, the Greeks invented the Olympics. So what that judgment seat, that bema seat is, is what we see after the Olympic Games, when you are given a reward. You're getting, you know, gold, silver, or bronze. It's not about what you've done wrong. It's about how well did you do what you did right. So that's what the judgment seat of Christ is. The beam, the seat of Christ is reward. Now understand this. And the one thing that both judgments have in common is that there are quote, unquote, books. I mean, I think that's probably more. More. More allegorical. I don't think God has, you know, actually parchment up in heaven, but I think he's, you know, he's. He's saying this, that we understand. He's. He's couching it in the term of books so that we understand it. What it's basically saying is that everything you're doing is recorded from the moment you are. I'm gonna say you're born. I think the moment you understand accountability, when you know right from wrong, everything you do, both good and bad, is recorded. The difference between the two judgments is that when. If you're a Christian, when that book is opened, you have on one side everything bad you've done, on the other side, everything good you've done on, you know, for Christ. But next to everything bad you've done is crossed out and says, paid for. So you you're not judging it because Jesus already died for it. You're just, you're evaluated on everything you did that was good or that you did in the name of Jesus. So. And that, and you're going to be rewarded based on that. So that's what it's, it's. No, it's. The, the Bema seat of Christ is an award ceremony. So it's going to be great. It's going to be the opposite of, of the other one.
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Ed Mabry
Can I say how ridiculous it is, by the way, from the perspective of, of God? It's like, you know, you have atheists, shout out, mark, thank you, brother. Yeah, and shout out, Stephen. You have atheists who are so wrapped up in disproving God for fear of their own accountability or having to take accountability. And it's like, imagine how strange that is from God's point of view. I mean, he understands us and he made us. So I suppose it's not strange, but a little insulting where it's like, hey, yeah, you did sin a lot. You're imperfect, you're kind of a mess, but I gave you salvation through, you know, through Jesus Christ. You can find forgiveness for those things that are haunting you to the degree that you fight feverishly against anybody who espouses the name of God in front of you. You know, so it's like this thing that you're so worried about. Well, the answer for it, the solution is right there. It's right in front of your face. And you don't have to be burdened by this. You don't have to be so caught up in your own self disdain, which is more than likely the motivator, right, for that type of behavior. It's a, it's a str. We are like really weird.
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David Lee Corbo
We are.
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Ed Mabry
Human beings are weird as shit.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, because again, the issue is if you believe that and you say, you know what, okay, I want my sins forgiven. I believe in Jesus. Well, the problem with that is now you've got to live like it. And that means you're going to have to not do everything you want to do, because it's not because it won't be forgiven. It's because you're supposed to be getting rewards now. Your heart is going to be changed. And do we still sin? Of course I've sinned today, I'm going to, to sin tomorrow, but I'm not trying to. And I know that I'm forgiven and I'm actually making an effort to, you know, to, to be better and to do better and to do it for, for, for, for Jesus because of reward. If you look at a lot of the Jesus's teachings and parables and things like that, if you really break it down, they come down to two messages, salvation and reward. Like for example. And you can tell them, because the salvation parables are always binary. There's either someone does right and they come to the kingdom. They do wrong, they go into outer darkness where there's, you know, wailing and gnashing of teeth. That's a salvation message. Then you have the reward message. And these are all because salvation is qualitative. Either, you know, heaven or hell. The reward messages are quantitative. We talked about one last time where, you know, there were three men who were given, you know, different level of meanness or talents. One was given 10, one was given five, one was given one. And as they were judged, one of them, God says, okay, great. You, the one who had 10, you did great. I'm putting you over 10 cities. The one who had five, he did great. I'm putting you Over 5 cities. And the one who didn't, who didn't do that poorly, he was, he was kicked out. That's a reward judgment. So that's what Jesus was trying to teach people, salvation and reward. If you salvation is binary, either you're saved or you're not. Rewards are again, quantitative. So we're all not going to have the same reward. And I believe, and I did mention this, I did not mention this in the, in the millennium episode, but I think that those rewards, either primarily or exclusively, are going to be executed in the millennium because those rewards are about reigning over certain areas and people and having authority. And I don't think that when we get to the New Jerusalem, which we'll talk about a few shows from now, I don't think anyone is going to be over anyone else as far as government hierarchy. I think at that point we're all going to be, I guess, quote, unquote, equal. We will be unique. We'll have our uniqueness that we'll live in. But it's not like I'm going to be in charge of a bunch of people in the same way as a government. So I'm. So my thought is that all these rewards are for the millennium. So you get a thousand years of, you know, if you're Christian, all the Christians, everyone's going to be resurrected and for a thousand years you're going to walk in the authority and reward, which isn't bad, let's say you live for 80 years. Great. And you do good, you get a thousand years of reward, and then we all go into the New Jerusalem. That's, that's my. I could be wrong, but that is, that's my thought.
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Top Lobster
This seems like the angels jobs, although we as human beings kind of. I like to rank them as like which, which I think is most important, but it doesn't seem that, that way to them. It just seems like a job. So like the angel of the Seas, is this what you're kind of getting at? Like depending on your reward is what you'll be responsible over and then that goes to what we. It's not going to be this episode, I suppose it'll be the New Jerusalem where we're talking about like, well, what will it look like? What will your purpose be there? What are we going to do? So it all hinges on this.
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Ed Mabry
That's great because if you look into a lot of like Gnostic and New Age beliefs, they kind of believe that you're going to return to some sort of like central consciousness and go back to source is some of the language they like to use. And when you start getting into that, it's like there's a lot of questions. What about my loved ones? What about my sense of self and identity and personality? And there's a lot of things within our own culture where it talks about like ego, death. Right. If you're going to achieve this, this level of like ascended master yogi, you have to be this selfless kind of ethereal entity that has no personality anymore. It is now elevated to. And I'm like, I don't think that we are as diverse in our personality for no reason. I think God made us this way. I think it's one of the things that is so beautiful about the human species is the diversity and personality.
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly.
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Ed Mabry
And I couldn't imagine, like I, I personally don't want some sort of future where I abstain from ever seeing my loved ones again. And I go on to join some sort of conscious unit where I dissolve all of self and then become energy like God. That sounds gay.
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David Lee Corbo
That sounds. I was gonna say horrible. Yeah, gay is another.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, dude, it sounds like a misery. So, you know, I never understood that when it's. I just don't believe that my personality is, is indicative of like two things. It's. It's the way that God made me and then the way that this life has shaped me, you know, it's given some more definition to this thing. I was born as a certain person. Like, you know, you have like one kid and another kid, they're raised in the same household, go through the same circumstances, but dramatically different personalities. Like, God formed us. That idea of, like, I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb, like, yeah, I think that is very literal. Like, he knew you. You. This individual personality. I don't think that that's to be given up and then, you know, you dissolve into the ether.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't.
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Ed Mabry
I don't believe that it would.
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David Lee Corbo
It would make no sense. And what benefit would it be for God to say, okay, you. You have. You have these different divergent lives, billions of people, and now you're just going to be one thing that thinks exactly the same. In my. My example of this is the Trinity is not the same. God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit have different personalities. We talked about this when we had. When we had John Linhart on. They have intangible drivers. God is exhorter, perceiver. Jesus is server, server. The Holy Spirit is administrator, server. They have different jobs, different roles, different personalities.
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Ed Mabry
I want to address this real quick. Shout out to Xerox. I think this is. I think he's really saying something that is much more important than even just a small chat contribution. Ego death doesn't shut off your ego. It disconnects you from God. And I kind of. That resonates with me because right now, in the psychedelic world, in the Joe Rogan verse, right, where you're telling people to do psychedelics, it's an ego killer, right? You have to destroy your ego, your sense of self, and then you gain enlightenment. I'm like, I don't. I don't think so, dog. I think that that is. You're like, that's literally saying, kill the uniqueness that God has given you, right?
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David Lee Corbo
And who does that benefit? We talked about this, like, several episodes ago. The purpose of government is to make us all the same so that we're easier to rule. So who is benefiting from or who wants us to give up our uniqueness and all be exactly the same?
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Ed Mabry
Oh, man. Here, B. Plissken says. Yeah, sounds like encouragement to evacuate. If you are abstaining, if you're getting rid of this uniqueness that God has given you, well, then certainly you're emptying a vessel and making room for something else. It's like when you get possessed, what do they. What do these entities do? They take control over you. They push your personality down. They keep you subverted and submissive, and they start to steer. It's like, yeah, that probably makes it a lot easier for. Would be Entities that seek to possess you, to take control of you.
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David Lee Corbo
There's nothing that the elites and the entities that the elites worship more want more than for us to all be the same. They want us all. You, either Republican or Democrat, you often think exactly the same way. I'm bringing politics into it. And you have to all believe the exact same thing because we're easier to control.
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Ed Mabry
Right. Do you want me to become the gray NPC meme? That's what you want? You want me to kill my ego and become the faceless npc?
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Top Lobster
Let me just say at some point I was like, I had something to say there. I had something to say there. And then that's. At another point I just stopped. And I'm like, I'm just listening. I'm like, I enjoy this show, but it's like a tragedy that I'm on it because now I gotta, like, talk.
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Ed Mabry
Sometimes you get in the groove, dude. Sometimes we touch on something that we.
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Top Lobster
Wouldn'T do this watch. Like, just.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, we're gonna. And when we get to the. When we get to the neutral rules, and we're gonna dive even deeper into it because that, I mean, that's really what we're talking about. I mean, we'll get there.
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Ed Mabry
Right? Right. Just the final thought on that right here. Def Not Exorcist. I think they misuse the term. Ego can be the safety blanket you need to let go of. Yeah, there's a difference between what they're asking. It's like a lot of these New age movements are like, kill the sense of self, you know, and then other things. Like maybe don't be so full of yourself. Obviously that's a good thing to experience. You know, don't take yourself so seriously.
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Top Lobster
But early in this, in this series, we, we talked about submission. Right? And it's one of the harder things to do. I'm still not sure that I've completely done it, but especially as men, I think that's like, that's what we're talking about here. Submission to God, not stripping myself of who I am.
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David Lee Corbo
Whose will are you going to pursue? Are you going to pursue your will? You're going to pursue God's will? You don't. And you can pursue God's will and still be yourself. Because what I do and the way I do it, it pleases. I'm hoping it's, hopefully it's pleasing God, but it's not going to be the same way as, as you, Topper, or you, Raven, because you're different people. God can use you differently. If we were all the same, then we're, we're not going to benefit anyone. But right, we're here now. We have different ways of reaching people.
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Ed Mabry
Weren't we put here to prophesy? Like that's the main function, right? It's like we have to spread the word of God. And so a lot of people get upset with us. A lot of other Christians who are more buttoned up get upset with us. And I'm like, look, dude, we're reaching. We're literally pulling in dangerous retards. These are people that believe in God but don't have that in them. To adhere to this like staunch, buttoned up, conservative, like holier than thou kind of atmosphere that some of the church promotes. And we're reaching these people. And if we're reaching these people, I can't imagine for a second that God doesn't want me to use this screwed up personality that I have to try.
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Top Lobster
To pull people in. It was never my intention to do that anyway, but it just so happens. So like when people get upset about it, I'm like, I don't really know what to tell you. I'm not out here like actively doing a ministry. I'm doing this thing I find interesting and other people do too. So that's it. They'd be more interesting and they'll follow you. I guess that's why you're mad.
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly. I mean, some people are going to gravitate to the way I teach. Some people are going to say, I don't like the way Ed teaches. He does this, you know, he gets too technical in these areas. He gets too clinical. I want like, you know, praise, worship kind of thing. I don't do that. But there are other people who do. And that's great if that appeals to you. I'm, I'm a teacher. Some people don't like being taught. Some people want to be inspired. So that's why one of the things that really annoyed me about church, which is why, you know, I just, I don't attend a formal church, is because they were all, they all had the same thing. You, you start with this song, then you do this thing, then you have the preaching and then you have the other thing. And here's the thing, I have no problem praising God. I think it's great. But I don't praise God through song. Sitting through a bunch of like five or six worship songs bores the crap out of me. I praise God when I'm out in nature, when I am walking through the, through On a hike with my do. And I'm like, this is glorious. This world you made is beautiful. That's me praising God. That's me communing with God. I get more out of that than I do listen to some boring song with an acoustic guitar and people who can't sing, trying to sing. My God can't sing trying to sing. And I'm like, oh, that's the last.
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Ed Mabry
Church that I went to. The last church that I went to was a. It was a. I sat down also. White lady with dreadlocks gets on stage and she starts singing. And everybody's putting their hands in the air like this. And I. I couldn't escape. It's like, dude, I'm there. I'm trying to strengthen my relationship with God. But there is an overwhelming voice in my head that's like, this is gay. What are we doing here?
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Top Lobster
You know? And I feel horrible because in the old church that I went to, it was the same thing. The musicians. I was in charge of, like, the musicianship for, like, Fridays. They. They wanted to move us up to the Sunday show, which was. It's a whole thing.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
But the main. The main person was just. Just not good. Like, objectively not good. Like, to the point where we didn't even want him to bring him in to our band on Friday because it was like he would mess things up. And when you go there to worship, my dad would tell me, he's like, listen, it's about what we're doing. We're worshiping. It's not about how good it is. I'm like, but I can't. I can't get by it.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
It offends my sensibilities.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. It's. Yeah, but the thing is, there are other people who are into it. I mean, and that's fine for them. What? So I'm not saying that it's wrong for everyone. I'm just saying that you cannot tell us we're all going to worship the same way. If you're into raising your hands and singing off key and that works for you, then, dude, do that thing. I'm not, but you're forcing it on my hands, dude.
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Ed Mabry
I can't even raise my hands. I looked over to my wife and my son, and they're like, hell, yeah, dude.
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David Lee Corbo
And I'm like, there's a church my wife and I were attending. God, they might. Someone might be listening from that church. So I feel bad by saying it, but. Because someone didn't follow me. But I'm like, you know I'm like, oh, someone breaks out a harmonica. I'm like, oh, my God. What are you, Stevie Wonder? I don't want to hear. But the point is that God does not want me to worship him in a way that is not unique. It does not fit my uniqueness, because he knows I'm being fake. If I were to raise my hands and try to see, I'm. I'm not being real. So. Right. That's the whole thing. And I never. So we're. Let's. Let's table that till we get to the new Jerusalem, because I really want to get into uniqueness, but I want to get back to the. The judgment seat, the Bema seat of Christ. So, again, so you're being rewarded. And this actually answers a question that I've gotten from a lot of people about, you know, the fairness of our time here on Earth. And the example that. That they gave me was, okay, you have two people who are both Christians, but they became Christians in different ways. You have one who was maybe raised in the church. They became a Christian early on in, when they were a kid. They've lived a good life. You know, they've done their best, but, you know, maybe they weren't financially prosperous. Maybe they had some struggles, but they were like, my grandmother's a perfect example. One of the godliest women I ever know. She passed away in 2012. But she was amazing. She literally built our church, but she only had a junior high school education. She was never financially prosperous, but she was a great woman. So she dies. She goes to heaven. Think of another guy, complete scumbag, you know, doing horrible things, selling drugs or sex trafficking. Just live and living a worldly great life. Money, houses, cars, yachts, all these things. And then he's dying. He's on his deathbed, and he looks back in his life and say, you know what? I was a piece of crap. This is. I don't want. I don't want to. I don't want to go. I don't want to die like this. So he has a confession.
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Ed Mabry
I said, shout out Andrew Tate.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, okay.
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Top Lobster
It'S a contentious point, right? Where people like, well, so what about Hitler? Right, exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, we're gonna get to Hitler when we get to the Great White Throne. Because I have a similar analogy. So he calls in a priest right before he dies, says, I confess my sins. I want to believe in Jesus. I. I'm sorry for everything I did. He dies. He's sincere, sincere believer. They both go to heaven. How is that fair? Well, it's fair because of the two. He got into heaven, they both get into heaven, but he's not going to have any reward because he hasn't done anything to deserve it. He had all his reward here on earth for the 70 years he lived. My grandmother, as an example, she's going to have tremendous reward. So they both get into heaven, but they have different experiences when they get into the afterlife. That's why it's fair.
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Ed Mabry
That's great. Because a lot of people approach this with a reductive point of view. It's like, oh, so you can do whatever the hell you want. And then you could just say, jesus, forgive me, and that's it. And it's like, that's. That's a paper. Yeah, yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
You can live in an outhouse.
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Ed Mabry
Like, you won't. You know what, you won't burn eternally or anything like that, but your neighbors.
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Top Lobster
Are going to play loud music all night. So it's not going to be good.
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Ed Mabry
It'll be. It'll be worship music, but it's still going to be loud.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, you're going to live on the. Like, you're gonna live on the bottom floor of an apartment complex. Everyone's gonna be even stomping, and everybody.
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Ed Mabry
Above you has six kids. That's what you're gonna be like, sorry, dude.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, so that's how it's fair. I mean, because again, we're not saved by our works. We're saved by what Jesus did. But our reward is up to us. Our salvation is not up to us, as far as, you know, the, the, the credit for it, but what we get. And so, so that's why I think. I think it's primarily going to be in the millennium. But I, But I think there's also going to be some additional recompense in a good way for eternity. And, and you know, the person like my grandmother, like, you know, a good person who's lived a good Christian life, they're going to be in a higher status for eternity. So. So, yeah, so that's. That's the Bema seat of Christ. That's where we want to be. On the other hand, you have the great white throne judgment. This is for those who made the decision not to have their sins taken care of. As I said, we. The one thing that everyone has in common is all of our stuff, all of our works are recorded. And the question is, how is justice going to be meted out? Because, God, that's what the definition of justice is. Equaling everything out. I mean, I. When I, it's even technically the word karma. I know that karma has this all woo woo kind of thing to it, but it's, it's technically the correct. I mean, what, you basically pay for what you do. And, but the difference between Christianity and say, Hinduism with karma is that Jesus has taken care of all the bad parts of all the bad stuff. But if you are not with Jesus, then you're actually going to get the accountability that you want. Because think about this. I've had people say to me, you know, why should I be with Jesus? I mean, I'm, I'm a good person, I've lived a good life, I do good things. Why should I go to hell just because I decided I, you know, that Christianity is not for me. Why should I? Because here's the thing. You're not going to be with God because of how many good or bad things you did. You're going to be in the presence of God because you're perfect. Here, John, chapter first, John 1:5, it says that God is light and there is no darkness in him at all, meaning that there cannot be one iota of darkness in the presence of God. So in order to be in the presence of God, you can't be more good than you are bad. You have to be completely good, which we are not capable of. You have to have your sins remitted. That's, that's the qualification. And I, I give this example another story. Let's say that you, you know, you're having dinner with your wife and kids or whatever you guys use. 6:00, whatever, you're having dinner here, Knock on your door, go open your door. There's a guy standing there you've never seen before in your life. And he says, hi, he's with, he has a bunch of suitcases with him. He says, hi, my name's Bob. I've come here to live with you in your house forever. Do you let him in?
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Top Lobster
No, shoot him right there.
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David Lee Corbo
If you're in a carrying state, you might. And he's like, no, Bob, get out of here. Like, whoa, whoa, you don't understand. I'm a good person. I've lived a great life. You know, I'm kind, I'm generous, I pay my taxes, I work hard. So I. Why can't I come and live with you?
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Ed Mabry
Because I don't know you.
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David Lee Corbo
Bob Egg, you nailed it. It's not about whether how good Bob is, it's the fact that you, you don't have a relationship with him. Let's say on the other hand, I'll speak to myself because I don't know your family situation. Let's say, you know, I have a cousin who's a piece. He's a piece of crap. I love the guy, but he's made a lot of mistakes. He comes to my house, he knocks on the door and says, hey, you know what? Can I come. Can I come stay here with you for a while? I let him in. Maybe he's not as good a person as Bob, but the difference is I have a relationship with this. So he's going to come into my house because I have a relationship with him.
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Top Lobster
You're talking directly to David. It's crazy.
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Ed Mabry
I'm welcoming Ed's home.
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David Lee Corbo
It's the same thing with God. God lets you into his house because of relationship, not because we're good. There may be atheists out there who are nicer people than me. They're probably. Actually, I know one. Let me. When I first moved up here to the Bay Area, I was in an apartment, and I remember I was doing laundry down the hall, and this guy walks. Older gentleman comes in. He, you know, we strike up a conversation and somehow it gets to religion. I think it was because I think George W. Bush may have been an Officer Obama or somebody like that. And it got onto. Onto faith. And we were talking about that in politics, and he said, yeah, you know, Christianity, I'm just not into it. I said, well, you know, I'm a Christian. He said, you know, he said, I respect that, but you know me. He said, I'm a humanist. You know, I just believe in. In man. I'm like, well, dude, you got more faith than me, because man has always let me down. God never has. But, yeah, good for you. Cool guy. Sweet guy. Nothing, you know, I'm sure he was. He's probably a much nicer guy than. I mean, he's that old and he still has that great disposition. But it's not about who's good or who's better or worse. It's about who has a relationship with God. There is that famous and pretty scary verse. I think it's in Matthew, chapter seven, where. Where Jesus says, people are going to come to me at the end and say, jesus, didn't I do all these good works? And in your name didn't I do all these great things? And Jesus is going to say, depart from me. I never knew you. He didn't deny that they did good things. He said, I never knew you. We don't have a relationship, so you.
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Ed Mabry
Gotta go why does that seem so obvious? You know what I mean? Like, on. It seems so obvious when you put it.
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David Lee Corbo
It's the standard that we all set for ourselves. So if you're mad at God for. For not allowing you into heaven because of your goodness, then you should have let them. When Bob knocks on your door, you're gonna. You should let him in. And if you're not, then you're holding God to a standard so you aren't holding yourself, which makes you a hypocrite.
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Ed Mabry
It's like, in the end, you go to Jesus and you're like, how come? Look at all the things I did, dude? And Jesus is like, ew, I don't know you. That's pretty much it, dude. That's a. I mean, it makes sense. It makes a lot of sense.
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Top Lobster
It would be evident too, from the person. Because, like, when. When even asking them, like, asking me, the person is going to have to reconcile. Like, I don't even really know him. And I actually went out of my way not to. It's everywhere, right? It's rough.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So not only does God not know them, they don't know Him. And that's like my main thing in faith by reason is I want people to know God as well as possible. I'm learning every day and I try to pass that on because I want. I want to know him and I want to help other people know him because, hey, I want to get some of that reward. But that's. That's kind of the thing you're. You're going to be. Again, if you do not choose relationship, then the only fair thing to do would be to judge you based on your works. But. And that's what they say. I'm a good person. Okay, well, let's judge your good works.
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Ed Mabry
This is an interesting question, Ed. Maybe you can address that to struggling in faith count as a relationship. And isn't there precedent for, you know, wrestling with God?
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, Jacob wrestled with God. I've wrestled with God. I've had. I was talking to a buddy of mine. I was in LA for Thanksgiving, seeing my family, and I got together with actually my best friend. He was the best man in my wedding. We don't see each other as much as we used to because we live in different parts of the state now. But his wife, about in 2018, cancer, passed away. Tough. I mean, harsh. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. And he struggled with it, understandably. And he's gotten angry with God. Completely understandable. And I told, his name is Pete. I said, pete, dude, I'm with you. And he was asking me about how do I deal with it when I'm angry at God, I say, you know what? I do get angry with him. Things happen. I've had screaming matches where I'm out. I'm by myself and hiking so I don't get locked up. And I'm like, one thing I've said to God many times is, I don't like the way you do things. I don't like the way, why can't you make this easier? Why do I have to go through all this? Why do I have to jump through all these bloody hoops? Why do I have to do all this stuff? I struggle things. I mean, I know that God is just. And he's righteous and his way is the best way, but I don't like it.
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Top Lobster
Do you remember, you remember, like, maybe two months ago, David, right around Bohemian Grove, where, like, we had a phone call, and I, I said something. I just say, wild out of pocket. Shit. Yeah, I was just like, I said, you know, if, if you called me to do this, I get that there'd be obstacles for whatever we're trying to do, and outright, like, cut it out. That's like, that's enough. I've had enough now, so let's move, let's move forward. Or, or we can stop this. That's, that's kind of what I told David on the phone. But I'm talking, I was talking to God. Yeah, outright. And I'm like, probably shouldn't talk to him like that. But I guess he heard.
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David Lee Corbo
You can. And here's a couple things. Number one is, you know, when I have struggles, when I say the same things, like, why isn't. Why is it that, you know, I'm still trying to build my followers, and you have again, idiots like Billy Carson, who probably absolutely hundreds of thousands of them. And I, I, I'll be on YouTube and I'll see someone who's, who's doing some Bible teaching. I'm like, you're okay, but, I mean, ego aside, I think I'm better than you. Why? How come you have, you know, a hundred thousand followers, and, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm still in four digits.
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Ed Mabry
It's all in God's time.
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David Lee Corbo
Exactly, exactly. That's the point. But, but to your point, top read some of the Psalms and some of the psalms, you will see that the psalmist is literally saying, God, why are you so far from me? Why? Why I cry out in the night and you don't hear me. I, you know, I cry in the daytime and you're far from me. So clearly God is okay hearing that, because why would he put it in the Bible if he didn't want you to express it? And God and he can take it.
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Ed Mabry
I think, like, if you're, if you're disciplining your child, right? It's like, what's better when your kid just, like, looks to you after they get in trouble and they just, like, ignore it and they walk away and they act like it didn't just happen? Or when they go, like, why I don't understand. Well, it's like, well, now's an opportunity for you to try to understand, right?
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Top Lobster
I fully understood at this point. I said, I understand what you're doing, or, like, you're not doing this, but I understand the lesson and the severity of whatever you want me to learn. And that's, that's a personal thing to me. But I said, that's enough. Like, I've, like, this has gone far enough. That's enough. I get it. And guess what? It kind of stopped. And things are actually, I don't know. He's like knocking wood, but much better.
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Ed Mabry
Before, I, I think that my, My mistake that I made in my youth because even when I was agnostic, I would still pray to God. And because I didn't, I always felt like there was a. Something that was going to get lost in the message. I always made sure that I was like, you know, the Father that Jesus Christ references. But when I was homeless, I don't know why I did this. I would pray often, especially when things got really hard. You can imagine you get in, like, really dark places. It was like feelings of, like, worthlessness. And I would only. Dude, I would only ever ask for things to be okay. That was it. And. And then recently I've been asking for, like, more like, if it's in alignment with God's will, if this is what he wants, then put me on that path and, and let's try to build something. And I think I was wrong. When I was younger, I think, I don't think God wants you to just understand everything that happens to you and go, well, it must be God's will. And then to never ask for anything better. I don't think that's what God wants because that's all I got. Like, things were okay. I didn't die. You know what I mean? I'm still here.
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Top Lobster
Okay too. Didn't die.
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Ed Mabry
Smoke some K2, you know, things were okay. In hindsight, I would say, despite everything that I've gone through, I was okay and it was okay. I think I was wrong to not ask for things. I think God does want you to wrestle with him. I think God does want you to understand him. I think God does want you to ask for more. I think God wants you to rise to the occasion and take responsibility and take an undertaking. Go and do something. You're here to prophesy. You're here to spread the word of God. You're here to bring people towards Christ. Do something. I don't think God wants you to just go, dude, I'm telling you, for like so many years, a decade of my life, at more than a decade of my life, I would go through hard times and I would just say, God, please see to it that one day things are okay. What a. What a what a wet blanket of a. Of a prayer, dude.
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Top Lobster
What do you think?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. How would you feel if your son came to you, you have, you have ton of money or whatever, and your son says, you know what, you come for dinner. You have, you have a nice dinner, and says, you know, I just want a piece of bread, dad. That's all.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah. Oh, my God, what a great analogy.
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David Lee Corbo
Right? And here's the thing. Two things. First of all, I want to say to the commenter, I want to just emphasize, yes, your struggle in faith proves your relationship, because you wouldn't be struggling against some. Something or someone who you didn't know or were or weren't trying to know. So I want to just exhort the person who wrote into that chat. Yes. That you are sure that is proof of your relationship. The other thing is what you were saying resonated so much with me because it's something that I've been dealing with recently. Over the past few months. I've been doing Faith by reason since 2010. Why hasn't it grown? You know why? Because I never asked. I just like you, God, I'm just going to do your will. I'm just going to put all this stuff up there. But I never said I want to grow. But you know what I did about roughly last year? I said, you know what? I want to grow this more. I want to. And not only did I just say I wanted to do it, I started, I, you know, the first, my channel started growing the first time I was on Sam Tripoli's show.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
I would listen to him all the time, but I never did anything. So once I just. He had no mark. The Booker, he was. He was a guest on the show and he mentioned who he was and gave his website out. And I just said, I'm going to write it and say, hey, hi, Mark. My name is Ed. I have this thing. I think Sam might like it put me on. And I was on the show because I did something about it. And now I'm on podcasts a lot now because I. I'm. I asked for it and I want more. God wants to give us abundance. Just like, you know, if you're. If you have a five course meal and your son comes and asks you for a cracker, well, okay, here's your cracker, if that's all you want. But look what I could give you.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
If you do it in the right way at the right time.
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Ed Mabry
So, yeah, that's incredible. Yeah, I did. I felt like it was wrong. The mindset that I had was like, how could I possibly begin to understand what God has in store for me? And how could I possibly object to the things that are happening to me while not knowing if they would be good for me in the end? And really, all that made me was like super lukewarm, you know what I mean? Where it was like I was inactive. I'm just sitting there like, well, this is probably going to be good for me one day. And God is. It feels like God was like, yo, ask for more, dog. Like, what are you doing? You're eating donuts from a dumpster. You could have more than this. That's incredible. That's a great analogy, though. I do love that you prepared this meal. And this kid is coming up asking for a glass of water and crackers.
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Top Lobster
It's. It's something that I learned from Clint, and Clint is. I. Well, he went from an atheist. Now I think he thinks that there is a God, but he's just a dude that's like. Like. Like we were doing an event in Georgia and the Tower gang was going to go down. So the guy said, yeah, could you come down and. And he said, we'll give you this much. And Clint says, tell him that we want this much. And I'm like, I don't. I hate doing that.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
And I was like, are you sure? Should I. Should we. And I was just like, they want. We want this much. And he was like, yeah, here, take it. And I'm like, holy crap. Like, you just asked for it and you did it. And Clint's a millionaire. He's like, yeah, just ask. And then people do it. And I'm like, what? And that's how he operates in life. And the dude is just keeps asking and people keep doing and giving him, like, this. Incredible.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it is. It's. So I'm gonna. I promise we're gonna get. We're gonna wrap this up. I'm bringing it back in Revelation. I promise. Here's the thing. This is something that I haven't really shared publicly that. That I've kind of been going through and trying to understand about God and about our thoughts. And, you know, I had to admit to myself that I've been, you know, been pretty negative. You know, just generally, you know, I'm like, always like, oh, you know, this sucks. There's, you know, life. I'm just getting through it and blah, blah, blah. And it's just the way things are. And, And. And there's a contradiction that I have to deal with. In the Bible, Jesus clearly says, you know, you have not. Because you ask not. That's one of the things you just mentioned. Top. And the other thing she says that, you know, you know, God wants to give us abundance. He's. He, you know, he basically says that, ask for what you want and you should get it. And I said, well, I asked myself. I don't get it. I misquoted Jesus. I look back and it says, ask for what you need, believing it as if it's happened and you will receive it. I don't do that. I wasn't doing that. And the reason I didn't. I think in my mind, I didn't want to go the New Age manifestation route where, you know, if you get into those. Those New Agey, the secret and all that kind of stuff, you have to have those affirmations. I am already a millionaire. I am already like, that's. No, that's not. But my question is, is there a kernel of truth in some of that stuff?
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, yeah, those are. I think they are like, laws. They're. They're laws that God created and that the. The opposition inverts them. That thing is the name of the game.
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David Lee Corbo
I see.
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Top Lobster
I see why you have a problem with it. You are not retarded. You have to be. You've got to be retarded. Like the whole idea. Yeah, the whole idea. Top. Lobster. Even this show, it's like, this show seems. I guess it's more. It's becoming successful, but it's. From the beginning, it seemed more successful than it did because I just acted like it. I just said, like, hey, come on the show. You know, like, I'm acting like as I Believe it. I'm like, oh. In my head, I'm like, I'm retarded enough to say, like, okay, this is. This is what it is. We are at this level. We're clearly not, but let's act like it, and people perceive it. And then you get. It's a weird thing. It's a weird thing. And it does. It's New Agey y. It's like, I don't know, but it's working.
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Ed Mabry
I was in the pickup line to go pick up my son the other day, and I was. I was talking to God out loud, and it was like, walking away from you. It's like, this guy. I don't know this guy. Who the hell is this guy? You know?
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David Lee Corbo
But I never knew you.
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Ed Mabry
It was exactly. I don't know you. So.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
But it was this exact same conversation, really. What I was doing was, like, checking in, realizing that the things that I had asked for, when I finally had the guts to ask for things were happening. Go figure. And so it was just a moment of, like, thank you. But, man, I mean, that idea, like, you have not. Because you asked not. And what's even crazier is the psychology of somebody who has not, meaning me. This is my psychology for the vast majority of my life. You almost perceive it as a virtue.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
Somehow it's virtuous to not ask for these things. Somehow it's virtuous to not complain. And I almost feel like God is just, like, hitting the dump button and waiting for you to object. Dude, I broke him and go, like, what's going on?
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Top Lobster
I broke my ankle walking off a city bus on a broken city sidewalk. And what I should have done was sit there and then sue the city. But I walked on a broken ankle to my college to take a test because it was, like, the virtuous thing. I'm not going to, like, ask. I'm not going to stop and inconvenience and honestly. Right. That's retarded. Bullshit.
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Ed Mabry
It is, dude. It is.
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Top Lobster
Just ask if people. People say no. And then you go, okay, I'll figure out another way if I really need something.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ed Mabry
If it doesn't happen, then it wasn't God's will.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. I mean, you guys are the ones who inspire me to put a donation button on my. On my. On my website. I say, oh, no, I don't want to do that. I don't. I don't want any money for this. Jesus. I'm just doing it. No. And people have been donating. Thank you.
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Ed Mabry
By the Way for figure. Go figure.
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David Lee Corbo
It was partially. It was my pride and it was also me trying to be virtuous. Like you said, top. There's no. If somebody feels, of course there's no obligation. I'm not going to stop doing it if I don't get donations. But if you, If God puts it on your heart, then do it. If he doesn't, then don't. But I'm limiting God by not giving people every avenue to support me. You can support me just by liking. I mean, seriously. I mean, if you guys, you don't have to give me a dime unless you want to. But if you don't, just, I would say go to my videos and just like. And share that. That is a repayment to me. If you, if you're getting something from this. Just if you can just like and like, subscribe, share. That's. And thank you for doing that. You know what, though?
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Ed Mabry
There is, there's an opposition to that, right. Where we're talking about how there's almost a virtue, like you feel this virtuous kind of sense when you don't ask for things and you just do them for free and. And da, da, da, da. And then the opposite side of the fence is if you're a person that internalizes that virtuous feeling when you see somebody asking you all of a sudden, look at them and go, look at what they're doing. Look at what they're doing. That's a. They're a grifter. And it's like, hey, I'm out here dedicating, you know, an insane amount of time to do this research, to create this product. It's okay to ask for something in return, but those same people that feel it virtuous within themselves to not ask will then look to you and say, oh, you're, you know, the opposite.
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Top Lobster
Let the market decide. If people, if people think you're worth is. If people think your value, what you bring is worth whatever dollar amount they have, that's their decision. But they have to have the option. And they also should know that you. That it's available. Go support Ed. It's available. Go do it or else.
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David Lee Corbo
Sorry, guys, had to talk about. My wife was. Had to help her have some Internet connection problem.
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Ed Mabry
Oh, that's fine. That's not. All right, so let's get back on track. The hour and 20 minute and.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, my God. Okay.
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Ed Mabry
How many times we can derail you in the Next, you know, 20 minutes or whatever, but we'll try.
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David Lee Corbo
So basically, people are going to be judged by their, their good works and, and, and what they did good and what they did bad. So going back to. Let's do, let's do the Hitler versus Nice guy argument. Let's take it back to that, that guy I talked about a little earlier. The, the nice atheist, nice humanist, seemed like a really good guy. Probably have a really good life. Hitler, Genghis Khan. You name Jeffrey Dahmer Epstein, you name the most horrible P. Diddy, you name the most horrible people who've done terrible things. Well, if both of them haven't accepted Jesus, both of them are going to be out of the presence of God. They will both go to hell. Does that seem fair? Well, in the same way as my grandmother versus the guy who does a deathbed confession, they both go to heaven, but they have, there's different levels of reward for them when, when they go to hell, they will both go to hell. Because as we, as we saw in what I read, if you're not written in the book of life, that's the binary part. There are two books. There's the book of life and there's a book of everything you did when you, if you're not in the book of life, you're, you're out of the presence of God. But there will be different levels of punishment. And we're going to talk about that when we get, we start talking about hell next week. Hitler's going to suffer in hell more than that nice atheist. Now they're both going to be there because they both made a choice. But there's going to be different levels of suffering. We're going to talk, I want to get into that next time. But just like there's different levels of reward in heaven, there's different levels of suffering in hell. So if you've lived a good life, you've done more good than bad, then you know you are. The punishment is going to be different. It has to be, because that would be just.
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Ed Mabry
All right. Exactly. Why wouldn't that be the case? You look at us as imperfect human beings. We've created systems where you can go from having probation and community service all the way to life in prison and everything in between, you know, and it's the same thing on the success scale where you can, you know, find some minor level of success or you can have mansions and, you know, a penthouse in the sky kind of a deal.
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Top Lobster
So I can't wait to use that argument against. Because that's one of the things that always did. Kind of like when people give this argument like so you think that, you think I'm going to hell. Then, like, when I'm talking, it's like, man, it's.
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David Lee Corbo
It's.
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Top Lobster
I guess I do think that. But it's like I'm not putting you there. Like, you just don't. You don't know the guy that you're asking to stay at his house.
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David Lee Corbo
I understand it's the very. Unless you go into second Raven. But the very first thing I read in, in verse 11, there was a great white throne set up before which heaven and earth fled away. This is in it. I have to put. To put a finer point on that. Heaven and earth are gone. They are. This is expounded upon in. I think it's Second Peter, where Peter basically says, you know, the heavens will melt away and, you know, all the, all the elements are going to disappear. I'm completely misquoting it. But basically everything's going to be destroyed on an atomic level. Our physical world, even in the heavens, are going to go away. There's. So the point I'm making with that is there's going to be no other place to go. You're. They're all in the presence of God now. You are spirit. So you're either going to be with God or away from God. You're going to be in his presence or outside of his presence. There's no other place for you to go. Heaven and earth has passed away at this point. It's melted. There's going to be a new. We'll see when we look at chapter 21. It starts out, there was a new heaven and a new Earth. He's gone. This world is gonna go poof.
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Top Lobster
Why would. Why would the heavens be melted away?
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David Lee Corbo
I'm sorry. Those heavens mean the sky. It doesn't mean, like the spiritual heaven.
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Top Lobster
Gotcha.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it's got to go because it's all corrupted. It's all been. It's. God doesn't change. God doesn't repair your heart. God gives you a new heart when you become saved. So God's not going to repair the earth. He's going to make a new one. And we know it's going to be a new Earth because when we see the dimensions of the new Jerusalem, it wouldn't actually fit on this Earth. So the new Earth is going to be bigger than this one, because when. Yeah, when you. Because I think the neutralism is like 15, 1500 miles high. That would not fit. Well, even. Even if you're a flat Earther, it doesn't fit. So the new World's going to be bigger. So the point is that you, when, when they say you think I'm going to hell, I think you're going to be outside of the presence of God because you've chosen it and.
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Ed Mabry
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
So we're gonna, we're gonna get into what hell is and it's, it's gonna be. It's not everything you think it is from all of our pop culture. It is going to be hot, but in a different way than you think. Basically, hell is outside of the presence of God, but you've chosen to be. You can only be in one of two places by choice. What else can God. God can't force. God is not going to force you to be in his presence.
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Ed Mabry
That makes a lot of sense because some. I've heard stories of near death experiences. Some, some people's near death experiences vary pretty wildly. But the ones that have a religious bent to them, one of them in particular, I remember hearing that a guy, when he died, he saw Jesus and he's like communing with Jesus, but in his peripheral vision he's aware of like this dark mass that he, he's aware of it on this level of like, he knows that's an option. And he also knows not to look at it because as he looks at it, he feels almost drawn into it. And it feels like the abyss. It feels, it feels like a. An endless black infinity of like madness. That's the way he described it. And you know, when you talk about being in hell, not being in God's presence, if God is light, then outside of his presence is darkness. Right. And so when I hear that guy's story and I, and I hear what you're talking about, I can't help but feel like this guy caught a gleam of like. Yeah, there was like a portal to a dimension and it is just dark. It's going to be everlasting madness.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
It's going to be dark and it's going to be full of regret. We're going to talk about. I think the real torment is hell. In hell. It's not the burning part. I think it's going to, it's going to be regret. It's going to be knowing that you're here because of what you. Because of your choice.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And you can't blame. You have no one else to blame. You said, I don't want God. Okay, you're getting exactly what you asked for. You can't say it's unfair.
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Ed Mabry
Right? I believe that too. Because psychological torment can be worse. Than any physical pain that you can feel. You can kind of like get beyond physical pain, but you can't escape your own consciousness, your own mind.
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Top Lobster
Something that just kind of like dawned on me is like, basically, so we're all making the choice to be with, with God or to, you know, to aim towards God or aim the other way. And a lot of people like, well I'm a Christian now, so what, what do I do? And it's kind of like by default, if you are directly aimed towards God, then everything else that you do is going to be good and will will reflect that. It's almost like a no brainer if that makes sense. But you have to know what God is and you have to know which direction you're going.
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David Lee Corbo
Right.
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Top Lobster
I feel like I made it abstract.
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David Lee Corbo
And you have a choice as how much progress you're going to make towards God and again, that's going to affect your reward. You don't have to, you can become a Christian and just say, okay, I'm, that's it.
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Ed Mabry
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
But you know, the more you progress towards God, I think the more, the more you know about him, the more you're going to share what you know, I think and the more you're going to interact with other people and the more reward you're going rewards you're going to get. But you don't, you don't have to. But that's, but that's the point of why we're here. I mean I had someone ask me, okay, after I get saved, why am I still here? Why don't he just zap me up to heaven? Well, for a couple reasons. One, he wants you to continue to grow in your uniqueness and continue that growth. And also he wants you to get reward. He wants you to interact with others and to spread his word.
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Ed Mabry
Let me ask you guys this, this is both for you. And top, it feels like we're in this kind of almost zero hour thing and I'm not saying that definitively what's on the horizon is the book of Revelation. Although, you know, there's plenty of coincidences, right. But it feels like we are at this zero hour and it does kind of feel like. And Top, I'm curious, I don't think we ever really talk about this, but it's like we're busy, we're building like a business. But also the reason that we got into this is because this is something that we're so interested in and it resonates with us so deeply that we're like, we're Going to make content about exploring these topics. And I feel like that's molded over time. It's only been a year, but it's like it's. It feels like there's something on the horizon. So much to the extent that part of this has changed and now there's a new layer to what we do. And that new layer feels like we're in a tug of war right now. You know, the Billy Carson's of the world are telling you that the Anunnaki are, you know, they're, they're our sky daddies. They created us. We're a slave race. Whatever. Read the emerald. Emerald tablets of Thoth that don't exist. You know, there's. There's all these different things happening right now. They're about to do UFO disclosure, yada, yada, yada. There's. There's a bunch of different ways in which the soul of mankind is being tugged on in one direction or another. And I've kind of come to this place now where I realize, like shows like this, the work that you do, Ed, plenty of people in this space, we're actually kind of in a combat situation now where it's like we're doing a tug of war with the people that are listening, where it's like we're tugging on them, going, no, no, no, come towards God, come towards Jesus Christ, this is the way. And let us try to show you a bunch of compelling evidence to get you to come here and stay here. And I just, I recognize that over like the last year this extra layer has been added on top of what we do. Top. Do you feel that way at all or is this, is it like, you know, because I. Maybe that's an egotistical thing to say that we're, we're engaging in a war for people's minds. But I can't help but feel that way.
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Top Lobster
But it's not. And even if it's only. I don't know, like, what if it was just your, your cousin that you're talking to in this manner? There are going to be third parties that. Well, you know, I think in a spiritual realm that will be kind of upset about that because they are actively pulling in the other direction. And we got into this, I got into this thing not to pull in the other direction in like a spiritual sense, but it just turned out that way. I got into it to just kind of pull in the, in the other direction of politically. Then it turns into more and more and then now it's turned into this. And what we said, like, about the halfway point of the show where I was like, all right, God, that's enough now. Like, I've had. I've had enough. It's got to stop that. Like, I'm fully aware that whatever was going on because it was just like, you know, like we said, this doesn't make sense. Like, things don't go wrong this often in life for, like, two straight years unless you're. You're aiming at something and something doesn't want you shooting at it.
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David Lee Corbo
Right?
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Top Lobster
And that's what happened. So after a while, I was just like, listen, that. That's enough. Whatever is going to happen here, whatever I'm supposed to do, let's get started. And here we are. We're getting started. So I'm fully aware of it. I try not to think about it, about, like, actively fighting people. I'd rather like, all right, I understand there's a tug of war, but I'm going to fight you with this sarcasm and almost, like, dismissal, like, because I'm doing something here so you could pay attention to me and fight. But I'm still going to do whatever I'm doing here. I'm moving forward.
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Ed Mabry
Like, I want to. I feel this call. I want to bring to Jesus Christ the heart and mind of Clint Russell. That's what I want to do. I just feel that, like, all the time. Russell's head, he's like. He finally admitted it, dude. I don't know what it is. Like, I. There are some people within. Every time somebody messages and says, like, yo. Working on my relationship with God because of the show, I'm like, that feels like a currency. That's like another tally mark. I'm like, oh, there's another one. Like, you know what I mean? And that honestly really gets me hyped up. Like, every time we see that, I don't even know what to say those people. But I know it's like another little tally mark. Like, that's the most important number.
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Top Lobster
It feels like, like, these, like, bumpers where I'm like. Because we do. We try a lot of. I do a lot of questionable stuff, but I'm like, every time I do get one of those messages, I'm like, okay, I'm, like, bouncing. But, like, you know, we're going in the right direction.
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Ed Mabry
Yeah, we're just doing zigzags in the right direction.
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David Lee Corbo
There we go. Yeah, it's like the stock market. I mean, it goes up and down, but it's. But it's grass going up. Just. But you just have those, those dips. And. And that's in mind because my stock's doing great now. I'm just waiting for it to crash. There you go. Should I write it out or should I. Should I take some profits?
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Ed Mabry
But anyway, it's funny though, because, Ed, you talked about how long you've been doing this and then you finally started asking for success. And I do feel like we're coming. The gates are slowly closing, and as they close, we seem to be becoming more influential. So, like, a resource like faithbyreason.net is like, like, so, so valuable in this time. And I think it's just. I don't know, I. I do think that we are maybe tops, right? It's like, don't look at it too much. Don't think about it too much. But at the end of the day, that's exactly what we're doing here is. I guess we're. It's spiritual warfare, right?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it totally is. Hey, I know we're up on time, so let me just finish two more points to make as far from the scripture. Yes. One thing that's interesting, it says that, you know, death and hell, Death and Hades, rather, are cast into the lake of fire, which again, we'll start talking about next week. So I've always wondered, does that mean that, like, you know, the realm of Hades is the realm of the dead and that I can see that being thrown in because that's where the dead were. But what about death? Are these, like. It seems like they're sentient entities. Like, is death actually a. An Elohim? You know, we talk about the angel of death in the Exodus story. Who would, you know, for Passover? So it's quite possibly that. That this angel of death is not a. Is a bad angel and he's a bad Elohim and cast in there. Or maybe, or, you know, because it said that Jesus got victory over death. So death is. Is. Yes, it's a concept, but it also seems to, in the Bible to have some type of sentience. So I find that very interesting. And the same thing with Amy.
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Ed Mabry
Just a sidebar. We talked to somebody who has interaction with entities and one of the entities identified itself as Anu to this person. And when you look up Anu, Anu is the angel of death. And so, yeah, I would say especially too, it seems like we know on some level because we always depict death as a sentient character. And I think that's just like our own subconscious.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, quite possibly. So, yeah, so that. That's pretty much It. So everyone is again judge according to what they do for their, for their level of punishment and when they're separated from God. And then if you're, if you're written in the book of life, which is where you are written, if you are saved, then you know you're not here. I don't know you, you gotta go. Last thing, Book of life is it. When are you written in the Book of Life? Because there's. And it's also aim. And we talked about the seven letters to seven churches. One of them, I forget which church is now off top of my head. But one of the punishments of them or the admonitions are it basically Jesus saying, if you don't get your act together, I think it's just Church of Sardis, I will blot you out of the Book of Life. So the idea, and this comes from Michael Heiser, is that when you're born, you're written in the book of life because you know you haven't done anything wrong yet. And at some point you're taken out.
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Top Lobster
Well, at death, it would have to be at death.
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David Lee Corbo
Right, right, right, right, exactly. Yeah. When you, when you haven't made your final choice, you're taken out of the book because. Or when you state at your will that I'm done, I will never accept Jesus. So at some point you're blotted out of the Book of life if, if you know Heizer's ideas correctly. Because I've always taught, I was always taught you were written in when you become saved, but it actually makes sense that you already written in and then you can get written out. That will be just. Okay, everyone, you're already here is up to you. If you're going to have me blot you out of the Book of life.
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Ed Mabry
I love episodes like this, Ed, because this one in particular really highlighted how, especially from an atheist point of view, it's like they look at the Bible as this illogical fairy tale. And every once in a while we, we lock onto a subject on this show where I come away feeling like, oh, that's incredibly logical. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, especially when it comes to the whole, I don't have a relationship with you, therefore you do not have a room in my father's house. It's like, yeah, that makes a ton of sense. And also the varying degrees to which you could be subjugated to a hell, the various degrees in which you could gather rewards in heaven, it all makes sense because we do the same thing here. Right. It's Once again, as above, so below. Why would we create a system that's so advanced and so nuanced and have God not create a system that dwarfs that? And so I just love that, because people will dismiss the Bible outright as this illogical fantasy. And it's. That's not the case. If you drop that baggage that burns you up so badly and just look at this for what it is or have conversations with people like you who have done, you know, all these years of research, you come away feeling like, oh, this actually does make a ton of sense. And I have that over and over again on this show. This is a great episode. I apologize for derailing you every which way.
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David Lee Corbo
It was fun, though. It's okay.
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Ed Mabry
This might have been a record. I don't know if we've ever derailed time.
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David Lee Corbo
It's. And see how many times.
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Ed Mabry
Oh, my God. Yeah. If we start doing a drinking game and it's like, every time I use one of my. My $5 words or every time we derail Ed, the. The audience would become raging alcoholics.
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Top Lobster
So we can't funnel that better.
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Ed Mabry
All right, so is this where. Where we're landing it, Ed?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I think it's a good place to stop because at the. At the end. And yeah, next. Next week, we will start talking about, you know, another grim subject, and then we'll get to the really good stuff at the end. But, yeah, we want to talk about hell. I want people to understand what the Lake of Fire is and what it's not. And. Yeah, well, then I think that then that'll be the last, like, negative episode we have. As far as. As far as the scripture is concerned, we'll probably get negative ourselves. But that'll be it for the scriptures, because. Gotta be done. Oh, last thing that people always wonder, like, you know, you have billions of people being judged at this Great White Throne. Or is it gonna be like. Yeah, like, I don't know if you saw the original Beetlejuice?
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Ed Mabry
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
At the. At the very end when, you know, he goes back up to. Up to wherever. The afterlife, and he's. He has to take a number, and his number is like 5 billion 21. Yeah. And you have to wonder, wouldn't it be torment if you were at the Great White Throne and you had. And that was your number. You were like, number 18 billion. There's, like, these. All these people in front of you. I gotta wait for all these jackasses to be judged. I'm just sitting here naked.
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Ed Mabry
Probably the case. Yeah, naked well, that would make sense. That's a psychological torment like no other. Because in anything you do, when you have a daunting thing on the horizon, the anticipation is so much worse than the actual event. And so that would be. That would be poetry.
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David Lee Corbo
You're at the DMV for like, a billion years waiting for everyone else to be judged of you. But to be honest, I don't think it's going to take that long because I don't think God wants to. God does not. Like, that's his least favorite thing to do, is judge. I think it's going to be simultaneous. My. My opinion, nothing else other than my opinion. I think that because God is omnipresent and he can speak to everyone at once, I think you get Great White Throne simultaneously. Everyone's going to see their life play before them. They're going to see, here's what you did good, here's what you did bad. This is going to be your level of punishment. You're not written in the book. I think it's going to take a very short amount of time because God doesn't. God doesn't want to do that. He wants to. He wants to get to the good stuff. He wants to get to the new Jerusalem. And. And so I think it's going to be really quick. But if he decides it's going to be really slow, talk about that might be the real hell is just waiting.
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Top Lobster
Guy takes a lunch break, like, right before you, you're the next number. Like, he's on break.
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Ed Mabry
Well, think about every time you go to the dmv, it's like, not only does the DMV suck, but the days leading up to you, you're like, damn it, dude, Monday, I got to go to the dmv. That's going to be it. That's going to be it. You'll be sitting in this line for an eternity. Yeah. All right, Ed. Well, this was fantastic. I genuinely love this episode. Once again for the people. Can you let everybody know where to find you?
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David Lee Corbo
Yep. Go to faithbyreason.net that's where you find all my stuff. You can go to my YouTube channel. That's where you'll find the Revelation series. You'll find the New Genesis series there. Rumble as well. I'm trying to beef up my Rumble content and audience there. So please, again, if you want to pay me back, if you want to support me, donate, great. But, like, share, subscribe, and just, you know, get it out there so I can build that audience up. And, yeah, Twitter as Well, I gotta get some more of my short form stuff up on there and. Yeah, we'll keep. We'll just keep cranking.
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Top Lobster
Perfect. All right, guys, we'll see you next time. And actually, if you see us at Sam Tripley show, say what's up, but don't forget to obey, submit and comply.
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David Lee Corbo
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll lack in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.