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Nephilim Death Squad
The Luciferian Buddhism Deception, and Spiritual Warfare
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Welcome back to Nephilim Death Squad — filmed live at The Standard Coffee Shop in Lady Lake, FL. Today we sit down with Ed Mabry, John Lenhart, and Jason Demchuk for one of the most mind-bending conversations we’ve ever had on the show. We break down...
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Foreign.
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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster. Hey, the father of disinformation.
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D
That's right.
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B
Before we get into all of today's guests. That's jarring. We'll do this way, a little business up front. Sometime around the half an hour mark, we're gonna go live exclusively to Patreon.com forward slash Nephilim death Squad, where you can continue watching along, engaging in the live chat, getting early access to episodes, ad free viewing and listening experiences, as well as early access to Bohemian Grove tickets. We're looking at the first Friday and Saturday in March. I don't know what day that is. We'll figure that out.
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D
These. These tickets will drop very soon, actually.
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B
Oh, really?
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D
They're going to have to because I have a feeling that.
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Not.
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D
Not that they'll go fast. I just want to give people time.
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E
Yeah.
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D
To get them and do whatever they got to do, so.
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Well, that's what we're trying to do this time is not scramble with three months before Christmas. Before Christmas. That would be nice. Get these tickets available to you guys before Christmas. Patreon members get first dibs. There's also discount codes off of merchandise from Top lobster dot com. Are you wearing. Yeah. You're wearing Top Lobsters Dog man. That's right.
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D
Let's do Top Lobster's Dog Man.
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B
All right, fine. Is there anything else that's relevant to this episode? I don't know. We don't have a. I don't have.
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D
A Buddha shirt there you go. But top lobster doorman, go ahead, check that out.
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Very like they're already making fun of my hair.
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A
Whatever.
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You know what?
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Excited to talk to these great people here today, guys. We have John Lenhart, Ed Mabry and Jason on the show. Oh, this is.
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Oh, and our laps.
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D
And our laps.
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Check that out.
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D
We'll figure it out.
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Lap cam. Guys, before we get into today's show, let's talk a little bit about where they can find you guys and you know where your work is. We'll start with Ed since he's the senior guest here.
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Yeah, so you can find all my work a couple of places. First is my website, my main website, faithbyreason.net so there you will find a lot of the work I've been doing for the past decade plus and also pay special attention to what you see there in your top left. That spiritual warfare course.
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D
Oh yeah, that's right.
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Yeah, we're going to talk about that as part of this show. But yeah, that's just something new that I put up. And so yeah, we'll talk about that a bit.
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But also the email, Ed, I got it from your patreon. Very excited. You can sign up now, right? Yes, go ahead.
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You can sign up now to express your interest and then you'll get notified as soon as the course drops, which will will be early next year. And we're going to talk about that in detail because John Linhart, my friend, partner, mentor is going to be a part of that. So yeah, it's going to be amazing. We're going to talk about that in more detail. So that's well and the other side as you are on now is my Patreon and that's where I am most active. That's where you can interact with me. That's where you can get bonus episodes. You get all my content when it drops first there as well as being a part of our monthly Bible study where we go through the entire Bible in one year from the supernatural standpoint and which is was kind of the the genesis of these spiritual warfare course that we're going to be doing. But yeah, I appreciate you coming on there. We do Q and A's every week. We have some great discussions there. So yeah. Patreon.com faithbyreason or faithbyreason.net Excellent John, tell.
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D
Them where they can find you.
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Well, the first place is modeling God.com. that's basically I've written two books. Modeling God is the only non contradictory explanation for God. And then Modeling God's Wills is basically the explanation for the largest system and how God brings about his will. And then the other place to find me is flowsest.com where I have a model for the mind and brain which I got from the Bible. And so I teach people how to flow at this place and I think we're going to talk a little bit more about the mind and brain because of interacting with Jason.
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D
Excellent. I do want to say really quickly right here on God's will I've been, I'm working on some like wood stuff. I've been like burning wood and things like that. But the circles here, this, the symmetry, the sacred geometry here that you're kind of showing, I guess you're pointing back like to that sacred geometry being part of God's creation. But it's, it's, it's just strange because it's been co opted by the new.
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Age in a big way.
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I mean Indians do it great. There's so many different. Yeah, New age, they, they really take the symb of these, these curves and these angles and they make them significant to whatever they're doing. So I just, I don't know.
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It's been co opted most. Well, not co opted. I mean it's been identified by the scientific community within quantum research, you know, because of the fractal nature of things. The Fibonacci sequence. It's just an observation though really of, of the realm that we inhabit. Okay, so, so let's get into Jason. Jason.
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Exactly.
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That's what I was gonna say. Yeah.
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Jason, introduce yourself. How's your brother?
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Great. Thank you guys so much for having me, man. I'm a huge fan of the show. And by the way, yeah, when you're talking about the co opting, that's exactly what I want to talk about today.
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D
Perfect. Perfect. Where can the people find you? What you up to, man?
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I'm working on embodiment.com there we go with John. So yeah, we're starting a journaling mastermind. So we're all about the conscious and the unconscious mind. So we're going to teach people how to hear their unconscious, learn to listen to, to God more often deliberately. And you could also find me on LinkedIn, Instagram if you type in Jason Demchuk. D E M C H O K. I'll pop up on everything there. Excellent YouTube channel. Also Jason Demchuk on YouTube where John and I put out two seasons already. There's a lot of great stuff in there. So yeah, please check that out. Subscribe.
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Awesome. So, so this is going to be A little bit of a challenge to juggle. Right. We have five people on here. I know a bit about the subject matter that we want to dive into. I guess the, the question that we're going to go to next is who wants to, who wants to kick this ball into motion? I know that both John and Ed said a little something about starting it off one way or the other. I'll let you guys rock, paper, scissors, shoot for who goes.
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Yeah, I will get started on this because we want to start with, with Jason and then we'll come. Then we'll kind of dovetail into what some stuff that John and I are doing with the spiritual warfare stuff. So it's really interesting because Jason could tell you the whole story about how the three of us came together. But I will tell you that before I met Jason, I, like many people who have, who are outside of the world of Buddhism, who just, you know, just on the outside looking in, just thought it was, you know, it was just a bunch of woo woo stuff. It was, you know, just emptying your mind. And I put it in the same category and I actually did this on my website. I put it in the same category as some other religions that when I'm trying to show how Christianity compares to Hinduism or, or, or, or Islam or paganism or Buddhism, I just put them all together. Yeah, these are just things that help are, are in opposition in some senses to the word of God. And when I met Jason, I realized how wrong I was, especially about Buddhism, that it does not fall into those same categories. And he was really able to educate me. And, but, and again, I think most people have that idea. You know, you're trying to seek nirvana. You want to make sure that your mind is emptied and you're just, you know, sitting around meditating about nothing. Which just seemed kind of silly to me, which is why Buddhism as I understood it, never really appealed to me. But then I encountered Jason and he shows me that I would. Not only was I wrong about what Buddhism actually is, but it was intentionally hidden from us. Like a lot of things are, by the bad guys, the evil elites, the Luciferians. Not only do they, you know, what they can to subjugate Christianity with, you know, mixing it with Gnosticism and paganism and doing all these things to try to dampen the message and steer people away from it, they've done the same thing with Buddhism. And Buddhism is way more consequential, influential. It's more about the conscious mind. It's more about, it's not about non Confrontation. It's actually about confrontation and debating and making. And making your mind right. And not only is it not in opposition to Christianity or the gospel message, but they actually flow really well altogether. And if you were to have told me that a year ago, I would have told you you're insane. But then after talking to Jason, who is actually a true Buddhist, he can give you his story. You really understand that, you know, these things all go together. And so why would this be hidden? Well, because if you. If you know the truth about it, then it's not. Instead of driving a wedge between people who have these beliefs, it's going to actually bring people together, and that's the last thing that our enemies want. So I'm going to turn it over to Jason. And Jason, you can talk about if maybe how you. How we all got together, and then you can tell a little bit of your story. Yeah, go ahead.
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Real quick. Before, like I was telling Jason and John, I've been having a confrontation with a sect of Christianity, which is actually interesting that it's like, it claims to be Christianity or Christian, also claims to be kind of like part of you in a way, like, yeah, yeah, we're spa. We're brothers, you know, this kind of thing. But then at, like, this disagreement, it becomes very, like, hostile. I became hostile back, so it doesn't look very good, but that's just who I am. I'm not gonna, like, roll over, especially now that some Mormons. But I'm like. It's just very interesting how, like, I'm led. I'm led to believe, I'm told by these people and by kind of like popular culture. Like, ah, no, these guys are just goofy. They're just hanging out. They're just like you. I thought the same thing about the Jews as well. And then you start to read into their doctrine and I'm like, oh, no, you think we're animals. It's so, like, when I look at what was supposed to be, it turns out that it's the opposite. So, yeah, when I. When I looked at Buddhism, what I hear initially is like, kind of like what you described, Ed, but that's as far as I've looked. So I'm interested to see if there is an inversion here or what's actually going on.
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All right, so, yeah, thank you, guys. Thank you so much. Ed. Yeah, so, yeah, absolutely. A lot of inversion. That's a great setup for that. And, yeah, I wanted to share how I met Ed and John. So I heard Ed on. Well, first, let me tell you How I met you guys. I'm a big fan of Owen Benjamin for like 10 years. And I heard him on Tower Gang and I loved you guys. I was like, this is the best show ever. And then I became addicted to the Tower Gang and then I found you guys, you know, and then I, you.
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See Ed, I see it does something.
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It's a convoluted people somewhere.
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Your show is doing very miraculous things, like beyond what you know. Yeah, because so I heard, I heard Sam on. I'm sorry, I heard Ed on Sam and I loved him right away. I'm like. Because I've been seeking for seven years someone who understood Christianity because I read, I read the gospels and I wanted, I wanted someone to talk to. And I went to big churches, little churches, could not find anybody who really knew the Bible. I heard Ed. I loved him. Then I saw, I was looking for a podcast to go on a drive and I saw that he was on your show with this guy John. I was like, all right, let me, let me load it up. I started driving. I'm listening and, and by the way, my background's in psychology, so I'm like, I'm listening to this guy explain the unconscious mind on your show. And I'm, I'm thinking, this guy understands it better than anyone I've ever heard. And he's talking about flow, which is exactly what I was seeking. So I'm just like, I can't wait to meet this guy. So I go home and find him on LinkedIn, send him a message, and then the next day we're on a two hour call. And that was almost exactly a year ago. And we've been talking nonstop since then, just exchanging ideas. It's been so good to just have someone who I can have these deep conversations with.
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It's weird how just on that topic, you do a thing and you never know. I was talking to somebody just yesterday about it where, like, you never know who's listening and what sorts of connections are developing because you decided to turn a camera on and have a conversation. It's really all we're doing. And you know, at the heart of it is having conversations. And because you don't see the audience in real life, you don't really have that. That connectivity. You don't know what they're going through, who they've reached out to, what conclusion they drawn and what direction they suddenly went in in their own life. It's. It's weird to see that, you know, it is cool. It's very cool.
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It is, it's what is that the butterfly effect where you kind of like drop. You just do something in the ocean and then like, whatever happens from there, who knows?
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Except we got on and we said a slur and then it turns into some beautiful relationship on the other side of the. Because, well, you guys are out here in Florida, but I mean, Ed is on the other side of the country. And then, you know, here we all are having this conversation. It's strange. I try not to think about it too much.
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So, yeah, so basically I'm from. I'm from New York. Like, you guys moved to Florida and. Yeah, 90 of what people think about Buddhism. Probably 95 is all, you know. So I really would like, appreciate the chance to clarify this. And so my journey is. I had a lot of anxiety growing up, so I got into psychology, you know, went to school for four years, graduated like, top of my class. And I realized, like, all the psychologists I met were all crazy, you know, so. So that led me into studying, looking at Buddhism and all these different things, and I was like, this. This actually seems like it's got the answer. So I went to Japan. I went to university in Japan for a bit. And then I just traveled all over studying with all these different teachers and. Yeah. And that finally got into. Really into Buddhism. I saw, like this, this was actually rational, you know, this is actually based on psych. This is real psychology. And also I have a. My family's in the health food world, so I'm been like, I grew up with like a health food store family, so I. I know a lot about health food, and that's kind of my background. Eating healthy. So what are the.
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Yeah, what are some of like, the main tenants of? Like, like, let's just get right into it. What is. What do Buddhists believe? What do you practice every day? Are there rituals, holidays? What. What is it?
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Okay, yeah, we could. We could get to that first. It's like, it's not so much a religion. Like, there are Buddhists, right? Like, there's people who call themselves Buddhists, just like there's people who call themselves Christian and they're not practicing. So that's something that I really loved about John's books. Modeling God, modeling God's wills is that it's not just you call. You know, we live in this world of identity politics. You can call yourself anything you want. I can call myself a woman. I can call myself. But the Buddha was very. Just like Jesus, he really confronted people. He's like, you know, against like the Pharisees, like, There were Pharisees. Buddha grew up in a Hindu culture. And. And there was a caste system, just like Jesus. He destroyed the caste system because there were these people called the Brahmins, right? They were the chosen people. And they had the book, the Vedas, which is just like the Torah, and it was all ritual.
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And.
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And there were people who thought, we're Brahman, so you guys are untouchable. So Buddha would confront them and say, if you call yourself a musician, but you don't play music, how could you call yourself a musician? So he was dealing with the identity politics, people calling themselves something but not actually doing the practice. So can I tell you how the Buddhist got kind of mixed up, like the Luciferian part of it?
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Sure, sure.
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E
Yeah, yeah. So have you heard of Theosophists?
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Theosophy? Yeah. What is that?
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Refresh my mind. Marina Abramovich.
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No, I don't think that's a problem.
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Close, close.
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Helena Blavatsky.
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Blavatsky, right.
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Yeah. So same type of person, though, you know, they're from, like, the 1890s, and they call themselves Luciferians, by the way, and their book was called Lucifer. Their magazine was called Lucifer. And Alice Bailey, like, her student, started the Luciferian Trust, and they traveled all over Asia, India, Egypt, and they brought these teachings back and mushed them all together, but they didn't really understand the true meaning. They had their own agenda, and they would use it. You know, same thing like Ed said with Christianity and like Hitler, Aleister Crowley. And so many people were very influenced by the Theosophists. And. And then, you know, Crawley, he. He thought they weren't Luciferian enough, so he started Thelema, which is even more Luciferian, you know, And. And then. And then you get, like. So. So that was what started a lot of this Eastern understanding in the West. And, you know, they control media, so. So they influence everything. And then you get to the 60s where everything got so. So messed up, as you guys know. Like, have you heard of this guy, Ram Dass?
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B
Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's. I forget exactly what his bag is. He's effectively a cult leader.
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E
No, exactly. So he. Basically, he. He's allegedly. He was, like, giving lsd. He was a Harvard professor giving LSD and having sex with his male students. And then he went to India and studied, you know, with this guy, with this Indian guru, came back and became huge. He wrote this book, Be Here Now. And everybody worships this guy. So. So that's a big part of. A big part of, like, this. This Culture of, like, everything is just love. And, you know, like. Like a lot of. A lot of, like, what we see today is like, really was starting back then. And then as far as Buddhism goes, you have about 10Americans. Most of them were Jewish and atheist and feminist. And they studied one part of Buddhism called mindfulness. Right. There's a great book that came out called McMindfulness. And they basically convinced everybody that Buddhism is just this mindfulness, you know, and then they sold it to the hippies and then they come, you know, just like, this is what they do. They mix it with the Native American and the Hindu stuff.
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And.
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And it becomes just as one big mush of, you know, take what you want. And it's. It's really just Luciferianism. It's really just.
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This is. This is something that. That really starts in like the 60s and 70s, right, where it's like we're shaking off kind of our Christian conservative God, I guess, in so many ways. And, And. And I think when you remove the spirituality from a people, they are clamoring for something else. It sounds like they then receive, at least here in America, this. What would you call it, mod podge of different Eastern religions all kind of glommed together and then packaged and delivered to us. And. And this is also accompanied by the psychedelics movement, which is like, you know, in a lot of. In a lot of ways, I think, kind of a psychological operation by the intelligence agencies to. To start introducing psychedelics to the west in a big way. So. So you have. This sounds like what you're describing is a bastardized version of Buddhism, something that's a little bit watered down, maybe leans a little bit more towards do what thou wilt. Right? Kind of.
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Yeah.
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A
What it does, Raven, is it. It basically takes our. Our internal human desire for spirituality. We. We are spiritual beings, and you can't be. I don't believe as an atheist, I think there's just someone who wants to take spirituality in a different way, in a different direction. So we have this inherent. We are hardwired to worship. We're hardwired to have a relationship, a fellowship with the spiritual realm. But we also have this nature where we also want to do it our own way. So. So this com. So it basically combines those two things so you can have a form of spirituality that allows you to do whatever you want. So.
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Right.
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You know, it's two birds, one stone. We know. So. And that's really what an atheist is, is someone who just doesn't want to be accountable. That's really when what it gets down to.
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But that's kind of the same.
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But everyone believes in right and wrong. Everyone believes all these spiritual, moral things, but they want to do it without a God. And the Buddhism that we've been sold is spirituality without accountability. But that. But that's not really what it is. And Jason can probably explain that a lot better than I just did.
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B
Yeah. Jason, can we talk a little bit about, like, what are the things that were twisted specifically? And then what is. What does Buddhism actually say versus what people are practicing that they think is Buddhism?
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E
Perfect. Thank you so much. Yeah. So the word Buddha, Right. Actually means awakened mind. Right. So.
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C
Or.
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E
Or in modern psychology, it's just like the conscious. Conscious mind. Right. So. So, yeah, I've heard you guys say, like, that if you empty your mind, it's dangerous because now it can become occupied by. By entities, which is true, but that's not what Buddha taught.
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B
Jason, can we talk? Because I actually have that written down. So just to. To set the ground a little bit more fertile. In Christianity, we're called to be baptized and then be filled with the Holy Spirit. Right. And so is there's this idea that we are. We have a void within us, a spiritual void within us, and many things can fill that void, but we're supposed to fill it with the Holy Spirit. Or else, Ed. Or maybe Utop, you can talk to this concept of, like, when you cast the spirit out, but if you don't fill yourself with the Holy Spirit, they come back with the homies.
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D
Like a New Testament story. Yeah. They'll come back sevenfold. I think the idea of the word salah is a really cool like. Like think on that. Think about that. Right. Rather than. So meditate would be, like, completely empty. Salah would be something that I prefer where I go, think on that. Stupid. And then you go, yeah.
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Well, let me ask something, Pop. I'm so glad you said that, because this is a perfect example of what happened in the 60s. If you think of the term premeditated murder, what does that mean? It means you thought about it so deeply before you killed someone. So the actual word meditation means to deeply focus on something. It's too like. So when we meditate in Buddhism, it's like you meditate on love or compassion, you're deeply thinking about something. But again, in the 60s, the word meditate became empty your mind where. It's exactly the opposite. It's literally exactly the opposite. Buddhism is training your mind to be so sharp. So John's an expert on the unconscious, and the brain, he could tell you all about this. But 95% of the time, 95% of why we're looking at the woman or why, why we're eating the food, we, we know is bad for us, 95% of that is coming from the unconscious. And for most people, right? So, so that just means that we, We. We create all these habits that run on autopilot. Whereas what Buddha taught is to. Is to learn to master that conscious mind, so you become more and more aware of what you're doing. So it literally will make you a better at your work, better at with your. With your. All your relationships, and even better with your relationship with God. Buddha did not say, when they asked Buddha, is there a God, he didn't say yes or no. So he said instead of. Instead of giving people the answer, he wanted people to discover it for themselves. He wanted them to be able to hear from God, everyone to hear from God themselves.
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A
So what he was doing, he was teaching people how to think.
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E
Yeah.
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Knowing that a good thought process will lead you to the truth.
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B
That actually makes a lot of sense to me because, you know, I'm looking over here at the original meaning of the word meditate, and it does not, like Jason is saying, mean empty your mind, which is very much what we've got. We get that a lot from Hollywood, too, right? Empty your mind. Empty your mind. I always had a huge problem with that growing up. I'm like, how the hell do you empty your mind?
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D
I mean, some of these girls could do it.
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B
Well, that's a couple of. Only fan chicks are emptying their minds.
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E
So.
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B
But it says here to contemplate, reflect deeply, or ponder a subject. And that, to me, makes a lot of sense when you consider sports as a meditative process, because what it does is it eliminates sort of like past and future contemplations. And you're heavily focused on this one thing, which is the now, it's the present, it's the activity that you're in. So in that way, a lot of people consider sports a meditative process. Is that, does that make sense to you, John?
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C
To me, absolutely. Well, the thing is, is this is really flow. So the, the thing is, is Buddhism, to me, is ancient psychology, and everything in psychology is the conscious brain. Like Jason said, Buddhism is 2600 years of trying to figure out how the conscious brain works. When you say, people say empty their mind, when you flow, you're toggling between your conscious and unconscious. So you focus on one thing, and then you let go and Let your unconscious take over and it'll come back and then you focus. So flow is this back and forth type of thing. So when people enjoy sports, they enjoy this moment where they're focused, then they're unfocused. Focused and unfocused. And if you think about it, I like to say, how would you stand on hot stand barefooted? You'd rock back and forth on one foot and the other foot. When you flow, you're rocking back and forth in your brain and you don't ever get tired, versus if you lock down on one foot, it gets tired. So that's really. So that's. That's the con. The. The confusion is there is an aspect of flow where you're not thinking because you're letting everything go, but it comes back to you. The thing that happened is I was teaching Jason about flow. With this program, we have instant impact. And I coach him one hour a week. Everything that he was learning because we have these videotapes and we meet. He was telling me he already knew this and he was explaining it. And I kept going, you're so like, you 99 get this before I say anything. And it was cause of Buddhism. And so the same thing happened to me that happened to Ed is I get like four lessons. There's eight lessons. I get four lessons into it. And I'm telling Jason what Buddhism is because I've known Buddhists and they. They are all people who are wimpy. They don't like confrontation, they don't ever take a stand. They don't have any definitions. Jason's a llama. That hasn't been stated yet. Jason is a llama or Dane. He can teach Buddhism. So he said to me, john, have you read the Buddhist, you know, literature, have you studied it? And I'm like, no. And he kind of got me. I do the same thing to people about Christianity. Like, if you read the entire Bible, have you read it as a story, then why do you think you understand it? So I said to Jason, can we meet two hours every week I'm going to teach you about the mind and brain, and then you're going to teach me about Buddhism. Our each. And it was just interesting. I know why he knows more about the mind and brain before talking to me than anybody I've ever met. But the thing is, is what he learned from me was this unconscious side because Buddha is so conscious. And when Jason put him together, he's gone beyond Buddhism. So the two seasons that we've done is. We did one season where Jason told this story chronologically. It's a wild story. Absolutely. Why I say he's the most interesting man in the world to me, because you, you listen to the story. I asked him to do the story because honestly, I didn't believe it was real. And then as he explained, I'm like, okay, this makes sense. The second season is him talking about eight of these doctrine of Buddhism, and he explains it all from effects, and, and then I explain it in the brain caused effect. And then Jason brings it all together in a way that goes beyond Buddhism. So the thing about Jason is he's a, he's a Buddhist lama and he understands Buddhism, you know, and he kicked my ass because I thought I understood it, but it's, I, I thought I knew it because I talked to people who said they're Buddhist. They don't even know what they're talking about. But when he took my information and put it with what he's got, he's now got something that goes beyond Buddhism. So it's funny when people, when people talk about Jason being a Buddhist, it's like that's, that's like half of what he is. He's actually gone beyond it.
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B
Well, you said something there for, for a second, John. This idea of, like, when you've met Buddhists in the past, they are passivists. You know, I think you might have even used the word, you know, sissies or something to that extent. And Christianity certainly has been accused of being a pacifist, you know, religion. But on the topic of sports and meditation, I find it interesting that there is a sort of sport, you might call it, associated with Buddhism, and that is these Tibetan warrior monks which identify as, as Buddhists. And we're talking rigorous martial arts, which is a meditative process in very many ways. You know, I know this is going to be a little bit all over the place, but I think it fits into the conversation here, given the topic of, like I said, sports. Jason, this, this idea of, of Tibetan monks or this form of martial arts, is that actually synonymous with Buddhism? And, and is if it is, is the point the meditative process?
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A
Before you answer this, I just, I just want to emphasize that Raven is a savant because he just, I don't know how you do it. We were talking about how we could bring in the martial arts aspect of it as an example, and, and you just unconsciously segued us right into it, Dave.
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D
That's not that we're good at what we do, Ed.
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B
Well, I wrote it all down. I was Asking Holy Spirit to. To give me some guidance in this one.
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C
Nailed it.
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B
I've been having stuff dropped in my lap throughout this conversation. It's not mine, so.
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E
Seriously. No, you. You did it three times already. But you're absolutely right about the martial arts. I'm so glad you said it. In fact, how I got into Buddhism is I grew up with a Filipino neighbor, and his older brothers would go into Chinatown and get these bootleg kung fu movies. And when I saw the Buddhist monks, I was like, I want to be like those guys. Eight years old. I had no idea why, but that. So that's how it all started for me, too. I never did martial arts. But interesting. Interestingly, when you see these movies like Mortal Kombat or Bloodsport, where there's like a tournament that has to be. They go up in the levels. And that actually comes from 2,000 years ago, Buddhist debates. So going back to this idea of being passive, I mean, if you. I can send you some videos on Buddhist debating. It's super intense. It's. And you. It's not like our debates in politics where people just like, everybody's listening to every word. You need to be. Your logic has to be flawless. So my teacher did this for 20 years. He was in the debate halls four hours a day, five days a week. They're debating on truth. Not like the. The Talmudic rabbis who are like, how can we do this on the Sabbath if it's the complete. It's the same type of your brain, but used in a way to, like, how can we get rid of the. We're projecting and really see the truth? So. So they have. They would literally have. They still, to this day, have these giant tournaments where there's thousands of people watching and they're debating. And I've told Ed and John the way. The way of a civilized culture is open debate. So that's just something I wanted to throw in there. But as far as the martial arts go, yeah, you're absolutely right. Like when. When they were monks traveling from China, Japan to India to receive the Buddhist teachings, they didn't want to use weapons because they're, you know, practicing, not killing. But they developed martial arts in order to defend themselves while they were. So some of the Buddhists became some of the best martial artists. And then, yes, there's. There's all different. Like Buddhism, the Buddha taught a lot. So much things. But over time, and you could say due to, like, miraculous circumstances, different schools popped up and they emphasized different aspects, but they're all based on the Same core tenants. But. But, like, yeah, you can work through your body, for example, in. In martial arts. But ultimately, it's about the.
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A
But what's interesting about that is when you look at Eastern fighting styles as opposed to Western fighting styles, Western fighting styles are always going forward. You're attacking first. You want to get the first hit in. I don't know if you remember the. I think John and I are older than the rest of you. Remember the movie the Karate Kid? What was the. What was Cobra Kai? Strike first, strike hard. That. Which is, again, Westernizing the actual Eastern martial arts. We're all about going forward, boxing is going forward, things like that. But if you look at Eastern martial arts, it's always about a backward step. You know, things like aikido and jiu jitsu, you're using your opponent's strength against them. You take a step back and you see, you let your opponent lunge first, then you take a step back, and then you have the advantage. And I think that's where you get the false idea that Buddhists are passive because they want you to take that first step. Not because they're passive, but because that's where their strength is. You move first now. I counter you Most, not a lot. A lot of these martial arts are about counter moves. You strike first. Okay, I'll block it. I'll do all these different things. I'll get you on lock. But you are. You are putting yourself out of position because when you strike first, you're off balance. The Buddhist, or the good debater is on balance. Go ahead.
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B
I was just gonna say it also seems like there's this real emphasis on. On. On pain tolerance. And I. I don't know exactly how to put it, but it's like they put their bodies through extremes when it comes to being able to endure physical pain. And I think that there's probably even a meditative principle at play there when it comes to disassociation. Not in the way that. That we talk about disassociation, but. But separating the physical from the mental or separating what happens to the physical body from the. The spiritual body within. That's something that I see within sort of these Tibetan warrior monks, more so than you see in other martial art. As a martial artist, I've been in a lot of different practices, and we'll have some of that stuff where, you know, you'll kind of like one of them in. In boxing or Muay Thai, it's not uncommon to stand in a line with your classmates and you'll trade blows down the line and then they'll trade blows back up the line. So you hit a guy, but you also receive one. And, and it's supposed to be this practice of learning how to deal with the pain. Buddhist monks do that to a huge degree. And I, it's almost comical to the extent where they're blasting each other in the nuts with like two by fours and stuff, but, but somehow they're not feeling it. I don't know where to place that. Oh, and before you guys comment on that though, we are at the, the 35 minute mark, so we have to let go of everybody who's watching. If you want to continue watching patreon.com forward/nephilimdeskwise where you want to do it. Otherwise, give it about a week or so. This episode will release in its entirety. And you know, so Patreon's the place to be or else you're, you're a loser and you suck.
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E
Wow.
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B
I said it. I said, all right, so, so yeah, I mean, do you think that, that. I don't know. I mean, maybe we'll kick this to Jason, but do you think that, that, that sort of pain endurance is part of a meditative process?
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E
Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. The, there is like the body, the feeling, there's like, we call it the five aggregates perception. So, so you do practice finding, you know, any experience, pleasure or pain is impermanent. So we're looking for the, for the permanent part of us. You know, you can, some people call it the Christ consciousness. You could almost say that there is this, this inner part of us that is always at peace, regardless of pleasure or pain.
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B
Interesting.
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A
What I want to say, I just want to just kind of relate this back to, to Jesus and, and how there is this correlation between the two with that, with that backward step. And when you would, when you would look, when you look at the Bible and you read Jesus's confrontations with the Pharisees, he was never going forward. They were always going forward. Jesus would listen, he would take, he would take a backward step. John, you can explain this way better than I can because I know you, you specialize in this. But Jesus was always taking step. He was always in balance. The Pharisees would always put, you know, put, put their dumb ideas forward and Jesus would just, he would just counter. He would counter move them. So you go ahead, John.
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C
Yeah. So much of this is communication and communication guidelines. Of the first time I was on with you guys, we talked about how in the garden, the way God spoke showed us how we're supposed to speak to people, but then how we're supposed to speak to the spirit realm. And the thing is, is that Jesus never initiated anything, so he could never be unjust. God doesn't initiate anything, so it's impossible for God to be unjust. Where people get off is when they initiate, then they can be unjust and then a spiritual attack can happen. You know, the curse caused this will not come. So a lot of people experience these curses because the communication style actually causes them to be on the wrong side of justice. So if you watch Jesus, he never said anything unjust and he was saying things in response versus these other people were coming up and making statements on him. It was only when he was talking to the, to the devil that, you know, and even then the devil's saying stuff to him, but he was making a statement on the devil.
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A
So, yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that more. We get to the spiritual warfare stuff, but it, it, it all, it all comes together in, in the way you do it, because you have to, you're going to be doing it in the. Jesus did and, and basically, frankly, in the same way that, that the Buddha was teaching.
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C
So the thing that got me about what Jason taught me and I did a little video about this is that I dealt with Buddhists and like I said, they, they hated confrontation. They, they, they wouldn't define their woods and everything. And when Jason explained what it took to be a Buddhist, it's like you spend, you know, there's these five courses and you look at the courses and one of the courses was purely on causality, which is so important in spiritual warfare to understand what's a cause and what's an effect, because people flip that and that's how you get to be unjust. Part of what he studied was definitions, and that's huge for your doctrine. Like, if you don't have your doctrine right, you're going to get, you know, you're going to lose in the spiritual realm. And then another one was purely arguing, you know, how to debate. And so when I made my video, I said, here's the thing is, is I believe that 90% of people who say they're Buddhists aren't Buddhists, just like 90 of people who say that Christians aren't Christians and 99 of people who say they understand Buddhism don't understand Buddhism. And I'd say the same thing for Christianity. And I said, but if you want to prove me wrong, then I'm expecting you to give me a causal argument where you Define all your words and you answer all my questions. And if you're a Christian, not only should you do that, but if I'm a believer, you need to confront me where I'm wrong. And if I'm not a believer, you should leave me alone. And that right there is one of the biggest measures of people thinking they're Christian and they're not. As the Bible literally says, forgive the people who are unbelievers. Don't go yelling stuff at them. And you have to. Jesus said you have to confront a believer. So I could say, I'm a Christian, but I don't do what Jesus said. Am I a Christian?
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B
So let's. I have a bunch of questions here, but you touched on something, John.
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D
Yeah, I see. I'm letting Dave go because I see he's just right.
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A
I know.
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B
I'm sorry. I'm just. So let's, let's talk about these five courses. You mentioned one of those courses, and I think if Jason, you could speak to those a little bit, maybe. Courses isn't the right word. John, you mentioned. Was it five courses you said?
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C
Yeah, topics.
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E
Yeah, there's five. There's five classical topics. Yeah. Like the oldest university in the world, known world, is. It was called Nalanda in India. It's like 200 AD and it was like bigger than Harvard and, and actually just watched a video how like Islam took the Buddhist monastery, like the Buddhist university. And that's how we even have like our, our modern idea of a university. But the five topics are so epistemology. So epistemology is where me and John, you know, and. And Ed is also a master epistemologist. This is, this is logic, you know, faith by reasoning. Epistemology is reasoning. So you need the language. You need to know like, like what Socrates did. You need to have like a true syllogisms. You need to learn how to make a truth statement and you know about the logical fallacies and perception. So that's just one of the topics. Then another one of the topics is called the higher, Higher sciences, which is definition. So like John said, you listen to. I listen to 99% of the conversations these days, and people are talking and I could see that they have different definitions for things. So how can you, you know, like a word is just a sound. We're trying to communicate ideas and if you don't have the same definition, you go nowhere. So Buddhists were so insistent on getting the definitions on the same page. You know, that's the second topic. All the definitions of the Inner world, which is psychology, and then the outer world. And, and that's like the world systems and it's pretty, it's pretty advanced. Then there's the path. So this is laying out. That's one thing that really attracted me to the Buddhist teaching is that there is a path. Like you're here and you want to get here. You know that like so. So, you know. And again, that's why I loved John's approach to Christianity because it is a path. It wasn't just like you're saved once. You know, like that doctrine of you're saved once. It's. It's like you have to purify yourself, you have to perfect yourself. And then, and so that's, that's the sec. That's the third topic is, is learning all of this. This is a really long, detailed thing, but it really gives you a sense of what to work on. And then another one is, is ontology, which is what is real and what is not real. And this is again, I think, where the Buddhists really go really beyond. And there's this concept of emptiness, which again is. Is very misunderstood. And we, me and John did an episode about this. Oh, Buddhists think everything is empty. Nothing is real. No, you're emptying everything that is not real. And whatever is left over is the truth. Like Sherlock Holmes says, when you eliminate the impossible, whatever is left, no, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
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D
That's a refiner's fire.
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C
Right? And your guys, your guys show is so like 90 ontology, like, that's really what you guys talk about more than anything. What's real? Like, is a UFO real or not? What would be the explanation for that? Is this a real. Like, you guys are really talking about the nature reality. That sounds very philosophical and, and, you know, very snooty. But you guys are. Tell. Everybody's a. But you're really an ontologist show if you don't realize it.
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D
We were having a long conversation with Matt about ontology, about the 99 things that are true, but the 1 that is a lie and that should be discarded or at least like talked about with whoever's spreading it. And there's a lot of, you know, butting heads with that because sometimes that one lie could be embedded inside of some really good stuff, right? It's like, well, we got to burn all of it now and we have to see what stays.
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B
Well, I actually think that that's so. So you're talking about these courses and how one of them is it stresses the importance of definitions, which I would agree. I said it recently on a show that culturally speaking in the west, we've gotten to this place where we're fighting over the definition of words. And I think that was done by design. I think we're talking about that with Jay Dyer. And that when you attack the definition of a word and you put that simple thing into flux, you make it so that a conversation simply can't be had. So if we can't under, you know, understand or agree the fundamental meaning of a thing, well, we have to define those terms before we could even go any further and have an elevated conversation of some sort of something you said that I cannot overlook or the, the chat would burn me at the stake for it is Christ consciousness. And admittedly I flinched when you said that because here on Nephilim Death Squad, one of our tenets is that that expression is gay. Now, however, given that we're having a conversation about definitions, I do want to ask you, what do you mean by that? What do you mean?
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E
Thank you. I'm so glad you asked.
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D
Yeah, I've got a lot of questions, but, yeah, let's start there.
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E
Okay, let me ask you a question. So first of all, John 1:1, right. The gospel of John says, in the beginning there was the Word and the Word was with God, right. So that Christ has always been there. It's ever present, it's omnipresent. And how I describe it is we've never met Christ, but everybody has experiences of Christ. Like, not everybody, but many people do. Many believers do. They. They have a sense. Like, I was, I was depressed. I have an experience I'll share later, like where you're, you, you're, you're, you feel like you're at rock bottom, and then all of a sudden you feel like you get, you. You connect with this loving presence within you. That's what I mean by Christ consciousness. I don't mean it in a New Agey way.
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B
Yeah, because the, one of the things that we kind of fight against here on this show is this concept that people will reduce Christ to a, a spiritual function or, or a spiritual enlightenment of sorts. And, and you can kind of look to some of the Gnostic beliefs that there is a. I know the chat is going to get tired of me saying this, but it bears repeating here. Jesus lived to 33. That's simply an allegory for the 33 vertebrae within the spine, and that there is an oil secreted by the spine called Christos, and that through a meditative process. You can migrate this oil all the way to your pineal gland, and that this is what people would call a kundalini awakening. If you could achieve this, then you can achieve this. This Christlike state. Now, I don't have the biological chops to even disagree with that, but what I can disagree with is that Jesus Christ is simply an allegory for this biological function of the human body, and that he had. He didn't exist in any real meaningful way, but that this is a story. A story that is, you know, an anthropomorphization of a function of the spine.
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A
Yeah, I will have to. I got a quote. One of my professors in college, a philosophy. My philosophy. Philosophy professor, he said, words are not fungible. He's basically saying the same things. Words have definitions. You know, in Ayn Rand's book, the Atlas Shrugged, he said one of the characters, Francisco d', Anconia, says words have exact meanings. So Christ has an exact meaning. You can't make it mean whatever you want to mean. And we look at Christ. If you look at just the. The. The denotative definition, Christ is our English transliteration of the Greek word Christos. Christos is the. Is the Greek transliteration or translation of the. Of the Hebrew word mashiach. Messiah. It means the anointed One. So anointed one. Mashiach. Mashiach is Christos. Christos becomes Christ. So you know Christ is not Jesus's last name. I know. We all know that. Even though my uncle would always say jesus Christ is not his last name. It is not a consciousness in the way people say it is. It means the anointed one. So when someone says to me, I have Christ consciousness. Really? So you have the consciousness of an ancient Hebrew high priest? Because the high priest in ancient Israel was called the Anointed One. He was called a Mashiach. Jesus was the ultimate mashiach. But that was called. That's what the high priest was called. So if you tell me you have Christ consciousness and you tell them you have the consciousness of an anxious ancient Jewish high priest. No. Why? That's the exact definition.
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E
Well, thank you for clarifying. That's not what. Yeah, that's not what I meant by.
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A
Well, I. I know, Jay, but I'm.
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E
Saying people have that exactly in, like, a loving prayer, like a presence that we're like. And John describes in modeling God's wills, how we are the bride of Christ. We are the bride of. So it's like. It's a force that we're all Going to unite with like the. Yeah.
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A
So I think it may be more accurate to say that we, that we, we are connected to Jesus, all of us, with. Even if you're not a Christian per se, because he is the Word, the Logos, he is the truth. We all know truth. You can reject truth, but you still know it. So if you want to talk about the Christ consciousness, the consciousness of Jesus, you're talking about truth. In the beginning was the Word, the Logos, the truth? And we all know it. We can reject it and go in other directions, but that's why we're, that's why God can hold us all accountable when we stand before him, whether it's at the judgment seat of Christ or the great white throne of judgment, which is the one you don't want to be. No one can say, I didn't know. Yes, you did. You know truth. You know right or wrong. You can choose to ignore it, but you know it. So you have that consciousness of truth in you, no matter what else you might believe. And that's. And we're, and we can all be held accountable to what we all know. And that's why no one will be able to stand before God and say, I didn't know. Yeah, you did.
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C
Yeah. God made our unconscious brain, which is 90 of our brain, and everyone's unconscious knows the non contradictory definition of every, every word. So that's how I argue. I argue the same way God argues and Jesus argues is I don't want to win the battle, I want to win the war. So when I argue, I know that that person in their unconscious has the definition. So then I ask the conscious questions in front of the unconscious. And if they want to make a choice to ramp up and go opposite, now they're on the wrong side of justice. And now when I let go and forgive, it takes them out, you know, because God lost an argument with Abraham and Moses and Hezekiah and in the book of Job, but he won them long term. And so if you really have the Holy Spirit flowing through you and you argue to win the battle. Are you really a Christian?
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D
I, I have a question. You just. On the topic of Christ consciousness, you said that it's like a feeling of love that you feel that's flowing, flowing through your love and peacefulness. But like we've heard multiple stories of people being approached by certain entities and them feeling overwhelmed with love. And then I guess the question is like, well, what is love? How are we defining that? How can we delineate a love that you might experience that might be, like, over joyous. And the love that is coming from God. How do we know that this is.
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B
Not.
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D
I guess, a delusion or a counterfeit? In a way, these are the things I'm suspicious of whenever I hear stuff.
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B
Can I actually try to answer that a little bit?
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E
No.
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B
So when. When I was. Because you had mentioned Jason, I think you use the example of being like a low place, like in a hard time, and feeling that that's that spirit. And it's 2 Timothy 1:7. It says, For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power, of love and of sound mind. And I think that those last two specifically of love and of sound mind. So when I was homeless, I thought that I had, you know, sort of a. An encounter with God. And it was. When I was at my lowest, I was. I was actually contemplating death. And it was a horrifying moment because, you know, you would imagine you stave it off when things are hard, you know, but you. You push that. That thought. You don't want to have to resort to thinking about that, exiting this. This realm for YouTube's sake. And. And finally there comes a moment where you allow that thought in and you entertain it.
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E
And.
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B
And I forget exactly how it went, but. But I, I didn't obviously succumb to that, but it was in that moment that I felt the presence of God. And it was like, even though I was in this horrifying moment where I was. I was contemplating, you know, this really dire thing, I was suddenly given this spirit of love, but specifically of sound mind, where. So. So I think to answer that, it's like, yeah, love. You take a. A dump of ayahuasca, or you. You do this LSD thing and. And now you're experiencing love. And, and what is that?
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C
Love.
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B
People can kind of mess that up with almost like.
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D
Like the one.
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B
Yeah, yeah, like a Mother Earth, all these different forms of love, but that peace and sound mind. I think if you were to test that spirit, obviously the, you know, the fruits of that are. Are good. So, I mean, does that. Do you think that that is what you're talking about?
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E
Yeah, that's so. Well said, Raven. Absolutely. And actually, let me. Let me tie it back to the last of the five topics, which is ethics. Right. So a big, big, big part of Buddhism is ethics. And John, when I read John's book, this is when I, like, totally fell in love because he, He. He has this concept of justice, which is better describing karma than most. I said, the modern Buddhist. Explain it like karma is causality. Why. Why are things happening? And so to answer your question, like, if you are doing unethical things, that is what invites in the entities. You know, you could almost say Buddhism is like. Is like. Is like, well, these guys are going to teach their version, but it really is a way to get rid of entities that the con. The only the unconscious mind allows the entities to come in. Hatred lets the entities come in. So there's actually like a ten Commandments in Buddhism. It's almost identical, but they don't have like the Sabbath, you know, idea. But it's like, don't kill, don't steal. So you don't even start like, like this idea of like feeling that Christ consciousness. I regret saying that, but you know what I mean. That, that you have like 101 is ethics. If you don't have good ethics, don't even start the path. That's what they would say. Don't even start meditating until you've already transformed yourself, until you have a clear conscience. So, so the path is like this. In three steps is like first there's ethics, which is, you know, again like, don't kill. Be generous. There's like 10 things. Then when your conscious is conscience is clear, then you can practice meditation. And then once you're able to get your mind focused now start reprogramming your unconscious. Start aligning with the truth. But ethics comes first. So, so that really is your greatest. Because there is justice in the world, you know. And yeah, like, like Marzinski talks about people taking math. You know, like you, you, you. You have. There is a way to trust yourself, you know, like coming when you. And. And again, Buddha, Christ gave. Gave these warnings of, you know, if you're being lustful, if you're being, you know, this. The. The sins that's going to. You're going to feel that in yourself and uneasiness. Whereas, you know, be still and be still. And know I am. I'm. I am God, right? You know, like, so that. So there's this concept of. Of clear, keeping your conscience clear.
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A
So this one thing I want to Go ahead, I want to touch on real quick. So I want to make sure we've. We've completely answered Top's question about, you know, differentiation between these, you know, feeling good and thinking that that's love. And it comes down again to definitions. This is something that I think the first time I met John, we had a confrontation because he's. I heard him on a radio show and. Sorry, I heard him on A radio show. And he said something I disagree with. He def. He gave the definition of love, as he said. He said that love is given without the expectation of getting anything in return. Without expectation. I said, that's not what love is. And so I, I email. I, I think I went on his website and, and talked to him there, and he, he responded to me. And after a while, I was like, okay, this guy's right. So, but here's the thing about knowing what true love is, because love is actually giving without the expectation of getting anything in return. We know that from the Bible. The first time the word love is mentioned is in the story, the narrative of Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son Isaac, where Jehovah says to him, take your son Isaac, whom you love, first time the word love is used, and go sacrifice him. So the first time we see love is. It's tied to sacrifice. And if you're, if you're sacrificing someone, well, you're not getting them back. What is the most famous verse in the Bible? For God. So John 3:16. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. So God, so what loved the world that he did? What gave so that whosoever believes. So the ultimate expression of love is giving your own, your own life, the life of your Son of Jehovah himself, without the expectation whosoever. So he had no expectations that anyone would become a Christian. He said, who? Swear. If anyone wants to do it, believe in me. Great. But he had no expectation. So that's what love is. How does that dovetail with what Reagan was talking about when he was feeling fear? And then, you know, and he, he learned a perfect, perfect love casts out fear. What. What is fear? Fear is the expectation of something bad happening. That's what fear is. So how does love cast it out? Love has no expectations. So if you are in. If you are in walking in love, you have no expectations. Therefore, you can have no fear, because fear is an expectation. And I'll give you a quick, A quick freebie from, from our upcoming spiritual warfare course, because it's something we'll talk about in one of the later months, is people have this idea that these demonic entities, the Fallen Elohim, they. They feed on us. They want us in fear and anxiety because they feed on it? Well, yes and no. What they feed off of what they want is worship. What is worship? Worship is an exchange of spiritual value. And that. That spiritual value can be the act of worship of these entities, you know, elevating Them to a degree, but there's still spiritual transfer in fear that they can glom onto. Because fear is almost. Is basically a form of worship because you are putting your spiritual energy out there towards something and you are giving it a high position in your life. So, yes, these entities do want us in fear and anxiety. I know we talk about that a lot on Nephilim Death Squad and about the demoralization that's going on. And yet they do want that and they do get that same. They get a similar high from fear as. As they would from any kind of other direct worship. But perfect love casts that out. So that is how you do spiritual warfare against fear, by walking in love. Because again, love has no expectations, and fear is all about expectations.
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E
And also. Thank you. I want to just share that. If you want to sum up the goal of Buddhism, it's open your, like, get. Get rid of the projections of your mind and open up your heart to truly love all beings. You know, just like Jesus said, love, love God and love your neighbor goes with two. So it's really, it's really like, like I said, if, if you're in that state, you know the entities. And if you think about it like, you know, look at the voodoo culture, right? They live in such fear of these entities, and they will literally get, like, get a curse cast on them and die from it. Because, whereas I don't. I don't live in that fear of the entities. I know I'm. Every day, I'm working actively to better myself, to be a better person, to. To get rid of my own every single day.
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A
And this is the great thing about what Jason said about love. When Jesus said, again, love God, love other people, that means you're still going to get stuff. Here's how. Because if you love God, you're giving to God without expectation, which means God has. And God is just. So he has to give back to you. And if you love your neighbor, that means you're giving to your neighbor without expectation of getting anything in return. So God has to pay you back through justice. So by being loving, you're not giving up anything. You're going to gain because you, Because God is just. He has to equal out justice. So if you give, if I, you know, if you see a homeless person on the street and you give them $10, you don't expect that back. That's an act of love. That's what charity is. But God says, okay, he gave that guy $10. I've got to equal that out. So you got to get $10 back from someone else. So even though you're giving without expectation, you. Even if you believe in Jehovah, he's going to give it back to you. So you're always going to win. When you love, you can't lose.
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C
So let me just finish this whole point then, because you brought it all the way around. So this definition of love comes from Luke 6 out of Jesus mouth. That's the definition of love. When people look at First Corinthians 13, Paul is stating 16 effects of love, and nine of them are what love isn't. You would never settle for that type of definition. Like a car, is. Has a steering wheel, doesn't have wings, doesn't have this. But notice at the start of First Corinthians 13, Paul says, if you give without love, so the point is, is. Is loving is profitable. He says if you give without love, it's not profitable. That's how he sets it up. So loving isn't simply giving. There's a second half to it. Without expecting anything, return. So you, if you give without expecting anything in return, then it's profitable through justice. Like Ed said, if you give, expecting something in return, it's not profitable.
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D
How about a stupid here, stupid question here. What if you give knowing that you're gonna get. Not expecting.
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C
Jesus said to know that. That's what Jesus is. In Luke 6, he's saying that is. Is if you give not expecting anything in return, then the Father will give to you. So if you don't look to that person, I like to say justice is going to work out. So if someone owes me $10, I will say to them, do you want to pay me the $10? Or, or not? If you don't, that's fine. Because $10 from God is going to be worth like a hundred to me. Oh, by the way, $10. God's gonna take $10 from you. And so if, hey, you know, something bad has to happen to you this coming week where you lose $10, but the effect of it is it messes up the rest of your week. I tried to warn you. So that's really how justice works and how this, all this works. It's, it's, it's all, it all fits together. And that's why when someone starts giving me a definition of a word, I can ask a question. If they get hung up on trying to feel right in the moment, they're going to come up with a contradiction. I can forgive them. Because God accomplishes everything by presenting the truth in love. And forgiving that's how God does everything and that's how we should do everything. And when I don't see people speak the truth in love and forgive, I gotta wonder if they're really a Christian.
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B
We've, we're talking about love and fear, which is huge when it comes to, you know, spiritual principles. And there's a lot of overlap here between Buddhism and, and Christianity. Buddhism and what, and what Jesus said. Two other things that I want to talk about and we know what Christianity says about them. I'm curious to see what Buddhism does about them. Sin and redemption or repentance?
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E
Well, absolutely, the monks part of practicing Buddhism is repentance. That's, there's, there's a, it's, it's a huge part of it is in fact the monks twice a month are supposed to openly repent in front of, you know, 10 other monks. What, what, where they broke their vows. So absolutely, like, like John says there is justice like that, that you know, call it karma, call it justice. That, that's a real force and that's a heart like again the new age people, Christian, so called Christian people, so called Jewish people, they don't like this idea of justice and karma. You know, they, they like to think that oh, I'm doing the Kabbalah, I'm doing, you know, they think they've transcended it. But, but no, like it is real. And by admitting you're wrong, you know, like if, if you realize that everything you don't like in your life is coming from stuff you're doing and you know that if you want that catching yourself, becoming conscious again, it's all this idea of being conscious allows you to better your life by fixing your own behavior. I think that's like really what a spiritual person is, whether you call them Christian or Buddhist. Like are you, are you blaming others for what's happening to you or are you looking to yourself and seeing how you could improve yourself?
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B
Well, let me clarify this a little bit then. So, so on the topic of, of sin, that's, that's one thing, but redemption and, and specifically giving thanks to God, to Jesus for creating a path to renewal and redemption through what happened on the cross. So when I repent, there is a lot of baggage there. I'm obviously guilty of sinning and I want to be renewed. But I'm also grateful to God in.
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D
Your repentance at something that specifically I think what he's trying to ask is where is the accountability to, in the, in the idea of Buddhism and who.
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B
Is offering you this redemption?
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E
Yeah, that's a great question. You know, like, I want to hear what John has to say because he, he has this idea of like God, right? This can God lie? You know, does God have free will? Like, he talks all about this in his books, by the way, which is really, really amazing. But you know, again, there is a force. Again, Buddha wasn't so quick to, to spell it out, but there, there is a force that applies the justice. It's, you could say it's automatic, it's God's design, but it works perfectly. But go ahead, John.
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C
The thing is, it's. I got in a lot of trouble with people, with these pastors of talking about sin because I, My first question is, what's your definition of sin? Because what's the Bible say sin is.
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D
To miss the mark?
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C
No, it's not. People say that. Does it say everything done upon apart from faith is sin? Which means you better have a definition for faith.
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A
You're rude.
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B
The Bible defines sin is lawlessness or transgression of God's law, which may include any action, thought or intention that goes against his will or perfect standard.
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C
I'm literally quoting a verse from the Bible. You're, you're looking at a definition, John 3.
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B
4. Sin is lawlessness, right?
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A
Okay.
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C
And it is, that's an effect. Sin. Is that an effect of sin? A description of sin is lawlessness. But there's a verse in the Bible, I believe it's Hebrews. Anything done apart from faith is sin. Because Jesus said, if I didn't say something, you'd have a cloak for your sin. And to him to know, to do this and doesn't do it, to him, it is sin. So in the Old Testament, sin was very objective. In the New Testament, sin is tied to faith. And so now we got to talk about faith to understand sin. So yes, lawlessness as an effect. But I'm talking about what's this definition? What's going on here? And so anything I've done apart from faith is sin. So what's faith? Faith is a belief in something you can't see either because it hasn't happened yet, or it's invisible. It's a mental process. And so that's where I think the overlap with Buddhism comes, is that. And it's. Faith is really important because if you only do stuff that you see, then you wouldn't do half the stuff you do. Everybody has faith. You know that the sun's going to come up tomorrow because. Has it come up yet?
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E
No.
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C
So you have faith in something that hasn't happened yet. You have faith in gravity? Have you seen gravity? No.
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A
Okay.
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C
That's something invisible. So, so thin is when you know what to do and you don't do it. Ed talked about that earlier. So the thing is, is then, you know justice is against you, and then you have to repair it. And repentance is making something. It's repair and it's making something better. So what I teach in these communities that help people is, is if I were to punch you, you have a negative attitude about me and being punched. Confession is me saying, I admit what I did wrong. Actually, a full confession is, I know hitting you is wrong. I know why I hit you because I got frustrated this way. I don't want to do it again. That actually repairs your brain. And then I need to do repentances. What am I going to say or do to make up for it to the point you feel better about it? Because when the sin is, if I sin against you, when it's done, you and I should be in a better spot because that's how we get ahead in everything. So I say, if I punched you, you know, if I slapped you, how good would you feel about. You wouldn't. If I slapped you and gave you a million dollars because I slapped you, you'd probably tell everybody I slapped you because you'd enjoy it so much. So when I help people with repentance, what I say is there's two measures. The person who sinned, are they willing to talk about their sin that they did that they repented for after the fact? If I. If I repent, and then I go, but I don't want to talk about it. I didn't really repent. I didn't really confess. I didn't really admit it. Do you feel better about it? So that's the measure. When I help these communities, it's like, this person needs to repent you. I need to repent in a way that you feel good. This thing happened between us. That's the same way with God. You need to feel good. You need to handle that in a way that. That God would feel good about it. In the Bible, as a Christian, what we should do is God's telling us what to do. That's grace. When we don't do it that sin, we should admit that we didn't do what God said, which fits more of that human definition you had. And then our repentance is to do what God is telling us to do. So again, that's where, like, we are Saved by grace through faith. If your definition of grace is unmerited favor, then you're falling in the same trap that, that Paul talked about. Like the only way I could grow in grace is to sin more. But grace is God flowing through me. Grace is me allowing God's will to flow through me instead of my will will. So the thing is, is that is somebody a Christian, if they are still doing their will and they're not letting God do his will through them. And that's, that's the thing about, you know, you know, confession. Repentance is I should admit it and then I should do what God's telling me to do to fix it. If I try to avoid it, I didn't really repent to God.
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D
I agree with that. I actually like that definition of what you said as well. But how does it apply to like, like the question is like how, who are, who are. As a Buddhist, who are you repenting to? Who is the accountability factor? This is the very important thing. Like, I come from a libertarian background and, and it's like a very, I think it's a great ideology. But they have taken God purposefully and they've taken him right out the center of whatever this would be and remove the linchpin. Yeah. Now it turns into, I don't know, some gay dude and a cop. Are there VP and, and presidential nominees and it's no question as to why that happened. You had this great theory, but God in the middle was removed. So for Buddhism, I'm just trying to figure out what's in the middle, holding it together besides me and my, my consciousness, my obedience, my will.
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C
Yeah, yeah, that's. Let me say this before he says that. So here's, here's what I realized with Buddhism is Buddhism matches up with this mind and brain model I have with flow. Says it's not really religion, it's, it's. Buddhism is this idea that if I get all of my issues out of the way, then God can flow through me. So they, they recognize there's a God, but they're not trying to focus. The purpose of Buddhism is not to focus on God. The purpose of Buddhism is the, is to get all your stuff out of the way. So Buddhism is very much defensive based, like how do I stop being unjust and how do I fix that? What Ed and I are doing with spiritual warfare is we'll cover that defensive base, but Ed's a badass, so we're going to try to do the offensive side in the spiritual warfare for now. We're actually supposed to go on the offensive. So to me, when, when you look at Buddhism, the minute you try to make it a religion, it's like, yeah, it's really psychology trying to get me out of the way. And then it's up to each Buddhist what.
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A
What they believe.
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C
But. Go ahead, Jason.
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E
No, you're right. It's. There, There is an omniscient, omnipresent consciousness. You know what I mean? But, like, it's. And when you do the practice and you start to clear away, get out of your own way, you will know God directly. You will. You will experience it. So that's, that's so, so you could. But you can be a Buddhist, and if, if you choose to repent to Jesus, that's perfectly fine. We have this concept of the divine, you know, like you, you, you know, so, so, so it's. Buddhism actually allows you to. Or not allows you, but it's, it's like you could use any archetype that helps you connect to the divine.
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A
Buddhism is a philosophy. It's not a religious. It's a philosophy. And it's a philosophy that can lead you to, To God, to Jesus, to Christ, even though. Even if you don't know their name. I like to go ahead.
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E
Well, I want to just help. I actually have a good story because, you know, about seven years ago, I was deep into Buddhism, became a llama, like, very well respected. And I, I was, you know, trying to get into business. I didn't want to be a monk. I wanted to, to, like, okay, I'm going to fit in. I'm going to. I'm going to live the Buddhist way, and I'm going to help people through just practicing everything I studied and also challenge myself instead of just being a monk. It's a great life being a monk. You do. You really get to devote yourself 100% to spiritual pursuit. But I wanted the challenge to, to be in the world. And so I'm studying business, reading all these books. Somehow I wound up listening to, like, Dave Ramsey, who uses Christianity for business. And then I wound up listening to Glenn Beck, and he says the smartest guy he knows for business is this rabbi named Daniel Lapkin. So I'm like, who the hell is this guy? So I look him up, I get his book from the library. It's called Business Secrets from the Bible. And it's obviously the Old Testament, but this was just spot on. And I'm. And that's when it hit me. This Bible has so much value that I didn't get from Buddhism. You know, Buddhism gave me an amazing foundation to learn. But then when I started reading that, so then I got obsessed with the Bible. And one day I went out, you know, trying to hook up with girls, trying to, you know, just, just, Just came home feeling really sleazy. And I just turned on Netflix. And what do I see? Like the Gospels on. On Netflix? I don't know if you guys saw this. It was really well done. It's all four gospels on Netflix in Aramaic with. With dubbing. And I was like, I don't know anything about Jesus. And I just listened four hours till like two in the morning, went to sleep, woke up, finished it, and then I just laid on the. Laid on my floor. And I felt I actually had this. I was thinking about the Lord's Prayer and I had this feeling of Jesus. You know, I actually had this amazing transformation, formative experience. I cried and I just felt so much cleaner. So I got so far with Buddhism and I still practice it, but I got something more that I didn't get from Buddhism. And. And it has to do with this forgiveness, the forgiven forgiveness part of things. And I was able to forgive myself. And it just. And then after that, I couldn't look at a woman lustfully for months. So I forget how, How I got into that. Ed, but you.
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A
Yeah, I was gonna just. I was just gonna say that this kind of is in line with. With one of the classic questions you get from people who are unbelievers, which the question is actually a cop out. They're trying to deflect when they say, well, you know, I can't believe in God because, you know, what about the. The guy out in the jungle somewhere who's never seen a missionary, who's never seen a Bible? He's gonna die and go to hell. I can't believe in a God like that because why would he hold him accountable to something that he's never experienced? Of course, that's a cop out you're trying to deflect. From you, the question is not about Jungle Joe. What about you? You know, you have access to it. You don't. You've never asked about the comparative nature of Jungle Joe. When you made any other decision in your life, whether who you got married to, where you went to school, you never said, I wonder what some guy in a jungle would do. No, you can make. You're fully capable of making decisions without Jungle Joe, but it actually is a valid question. What about that? Well, let's look at. Remember what I said before you're accountable to God to know you're accountable for what you know is truth. So let's take the jungle guy or anyone who has not had a direct Christian experience. What do they know? First of all, they believe in the supernatural. Atheism has to be taught to you. You don't have to, you don't have to convince a kid that Jesus, that God exists. They know it. So they, they know the supernatural. They also know there's right and wrong. They know that that right or wrong was going to come from a supernatural source. It doesn't come from them. They know that. What else do they know? They know that they tend to be wrong more than they are right. They know that they are inherently not righteous. They know that they are inherently sinful. So if that person out in the jungle who believes in the supernatural, who knows the supernatural, who knows that right goodness comes from the supernatural and that wrongness comes from them. And if they appeal to this supernatural source of righteousness, say, I can't be right on my own. I need you to help me be right. What have they just done? They just prayed the sinner's prayer. They just acknowledged that righteousness exists. They just acknowledged that they're sinners. They just acknowledge that they need that righteous source to be in them in order to be righteous. That is, in effect, the sinner's prayer. So they have. So I believe God will honor that because they have David, based on the information that they have, God will hold them accountable to that degree. Now, you and I, we're going to be held to a much higher standard because there's a church on every corner, there's a Bible in every hotel room. You can go on the Internet. So we're going to be held to a higher standard than Jungle Joe. But Jungle Joe can still be saved based on the. What he, what he inherently knows. So same thing with someone who's pursuing Buddhism. They realize, hey, ethics, I'm not right. I need to be more ethical. Epistemology, I need, I need reason. I need to know all these different things. They can say, you know what? This, it doesn't come from me. If, if I was a source of goodness, if I was righteous, then I wouldn't need ethics. I would need to confess. It must come from this higher power, this divine source. Even if you don't call it God or Jehovah or Yahweh. That's not the point. God didn't Jehovah. They didn't even know his name was Yahweh until Abraham didn't know that God's name was Yahweh Jehovah. He told the Israelites in Exodus, I am telling you my name for the first time. So even Abraham didn't know his name. So it's not about the name. It's about knowing that he, the definition, always and completely righteous and just. And everyone believes in righteousness. Everyone believes in justice. Everyone knows that they are not always completely right and just, but they know that it exists. That means they know that God exists. Even if you're an atheist, you know that God exists because you know righteousness and justice exists. You can appeal to it or you can reject it. And you're going to be judged by God. Your eternity is based on whether you acknowledge righteousness and justice or whether you reject it.
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B
What does Buddhism say about, if anything about Jesus Christ?
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E
Well, Buddhism, Buddha was alive before Jesus, 500 years before Jesus.
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B
So in other words, nothing.
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E
Yeah, Buddha didn't say. I mean, okay, so, so I'll share. There's a concept of like, you know, like a bodhisattva is, is. You know, you could say that as we become perfected, we become better instruments of God. Right. Like that's the whole purpose to me of spirituality, whatever you call it, is to get rid of the sin and allow God to flow through what could be better. We're in a flow state 24 hours a day. God's guiding us and we're surrounded by other people who also are connected to God. Like that's what John calls a generative community. And I mean I think we're all aspiring to that. And I also think we're being, I think God is working in this crazy world we're in right now to actually bring that about for the people who choose right, you know, like. But what was your question again?
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B
Sorry, I have kind of a follow up question then. So this is, throughout this conversation there's a lot of interesting tenets of Buddhism and I can see the benefits, especially the, the psychological benefits, the disciplinary benefits.
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D
I can see how it can get you to the door too.
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B
Yeah, but I mean like, well, well hold on though. I do want to ask this because we've, we've used expressions throughout this conversation like the Bible says this thing. Well, interestingly enough Buddhism says this and there's this really large overlap in, in these tenets or even expressions like Jesus said this and, and, and, and Buddhism says this. So my question would then be why not just be Christian?
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E
Well, this idea of like b, this goes back to that identity I think to me God cares more about what you. What you do, what you think, what you say, what you. What you do. Right? So to me, it's. There's. Because. There's. Because, you know, honestly, like, they're all paths. They're all, you know, they give you tools. So the Buddha gave thousands. Like, everything is in the Gospels. I swear, if you just have the Gospels, you have everything you need. You don't need Buddhism. But Buddha offered. It's like when I, When I read John's books, modeling God, you know, gave me a different perspective. Like, I didn't get this from Buddha, but it's, it's pointing. Truth is truth. You know, it's like we have a concept, an Indian concept of like the finger pointing to the moon. It's not the finger. The finger is just telling you where to look the moon. Like, like top just said, it's the way into the door, is the way to the door. So, you know, the truth is, is there where, you know, like, that is.
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B
An interesting concept that it can get you to the door.
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D
So can conspiracy.
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B
Well, that's, that's kind of it. And, and which did lead to ultimately a bottleneck, which is libertarianism or.
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D
But it's philosophy or like occultism. We've, We've talked to so many people who have, like, they've came right to the door. Of like, when you're scratching for the truth under whatever philosophy or doctrine you're reading or whatever you're doing, it kind of all points back to Jesus Christ. And then, like, I'm. For me, personally, I'm point.
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A
I'm.
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D
I'm put in a position where, especially with the show, and Ed saw this firsthand, which is crazy. And thank you, Ed. I really, I really do thank you for like, sticking with us through whatever the hell we were doing.
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B
Our, Our wide path.
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D
Yeah, no, because that's what it is, right? Like, like we're, we're doing this. Everyone's doing this weird journey, and you're going to end up in a spot, but when the spot leads you to the door, you go, well, am I going to go in?
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B
Well, yeah, it's this thing leading to a narrow path.
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D
Yeah. And I'm not saying, like, you're, you're not like, I'm not. I'm not saying you're, like, playing around, but, like, for me, I was playing around at the door. I was having a lot of fun. I was saying a lot of shit. I was doing a lot.
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B
I was playing around the door.
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D
I put my foot in the door. Real quick come back out, and I'm like this. But then after a while of doing it, I'm like, this is actually kind of detrimental to me. You don't play with. You don't play with God like that. You don't step in and step out. So it's like. It's almost like, I'd rather be Jungle Joe, where I don't know. And I could understand.
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B
But once you do know these primal.
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D
Natures and like, yes, God is. But I don't know this Jesus figure. I can't read the book. No one's ever told me that's preferable than knowing. Because now I've seen it. And I think the thing that we're kind of. I want to move on a little bit past this. The thing that we're getting at is like, there was a sacrifice made. It was pretty heavy.
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B
And it's like, yeah, the debt has been paid.
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D
Yeah, yeah, that I. That's a thing that I. I have a hard time getting around or going back on because I'm like.
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B
What I do see, though, is that a lot of people might have come to a much better conclusion if we didn't give them or not. We. But if in the 60s and 70s, you didn't get this really bastardized version of.
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D
Of Buddhism or bastardized version of Christianity.
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C
Exactly.
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E
Yeah, exactly.
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B
Yeah. In a huge way. Yeah.
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D
I understand. Is like, well, what do you. What do you mean be. Why would I want to be a thing? And it's like, yeah, yeah. I've never really put a label on myself either because I know that it's infallible. So, like, you know, if I say I'm a Republican, people will be like, oh, that means that you're this or that you're Lindsey Graham's like, no, no, there's nuance. So I'm not going to do that. But I'm kind of tired of letting people take a label, especially this one. This is pretty. A pretty important label. And it's like 400 denomination label.
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B
Is it? I thought it was more, honestly.
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C
Yeah. Let me see if I can take you past this, because I think you're. You're bringing up a huge point that I write about in my books, and that is Jesus had two messages. Okay, Salvation and reward. And that's where a lot of people confuse Christianity is when Jesus, you know, loving God with all your heart is says salvation, loving your neighbor is the reward. In the end, there's two judgments that happen. There's a judgment with a book that's a Salvation and then there's a judgment with the books. That's reward. And so what happens is, is when you're saved, that should be in your rear view mirror. I don't know why people keep talking about salvation after they're saved. Because it's supposed to be sanctification after you're saved and you're supposed to be acquiring reward and you're supposed to be doing spiritual warfare and you're supposed to be doing all this stuff, not getting saved and staying saved and just stay safe. And how can I maintain stay and stay sanctification? And so the thing is, is that is getting through the door is one thing. How do you grow in that salvation towards sanctification? And that's where I'd say, I don't think you need Buddhism to do that. But honestly, when I talk to Christians, I, I work with another guy who's, who's, who has his, his podcast on Christianity. And when they did a show about what happens after salvation, they got so much attack. No, you don't. This is bait and switch. I've already given up enough. And it's like, oh my goodness, you see Christianity as some sort of sacrifice and you're just trying to get through the door and just try to stay through the door. Don't you know the gospel is talking about having this amazing life, Growing in sanct, like, growing the sanctification is amazing. It's what you're going to do for eternity. Like, if this is torture, good thing you're not going to go to heaven and be a new Jerusalem. Does that be torture to you to continue to do that? I think Buddhism, what we did in our second season is there's so many concepts in Buddhism that are really talking about sanctification. We shouldn't need Buddhism to do it. But it's amazing how many people in the church don't have any grid after salvation.
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D
Well, what I, what I meant by like going through the door and being like, I, I guess I'm just keenly aware of, like, when I go through that door. I understand that whatever we're bringing, we're gonna have to carry that. And I'm gonna probably have to carry that a little bit further than most people because of the things that I've said and done in the past. And that's going to be a heavy task. And you read about what happened to the apostles. These were g, these were guys that walk with Jesus. It's not fun. But on the way, I'm on the way. They did crazy things and It Amazing things is it. It's. It's probably a journey that most people would want to do, but just be aware of what comes with that. There's a heavy price to pay for that here on Earth, at least. And it's like. So, yeah, when I was at, like, for myself, I'm looking at the door. Do I want to go in? I understand that. And I said, let's do it anyway, because I'm retarded. And. And now we're just run full force. There's no other way back. But, yeah, let's. I wanted to actually ask Jason about something we had a previous guest on, and you had mentioned before the show about Buddha and the ninth reincarnation or whatever.
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B
You said that it's a ninth reincarnation of Vishnu, which is a very difficult thing to fact check, but it's a sensational thing. It's very fun to say. Yeah. And I think that's worth addressing.
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E
Yeah. Thank you. I've heard you guys say that a bunch of times.
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D
Yeah.
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E
I mean, it's really messy when you really think about it, because there was this bunch of different Indian belief systems. They were invaded by. By the Muslims, 1000 taken over. All their stuff was destroyed. Then the British took over for 300 years. So what we call modern Hinduism is, you know, they're gathering the fragments. The Buddhism went to Tibet and it was protected while. While the Illuminati was taking over the whole world. Tibet was actually the only place they couldn't get to until 1959 through communist China. They. They got in there. But the point is. What was I saying?
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C
Vishnu.
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E
Oh, yeah. Thank you. It's like that. You know, the modern Hindu, they just claim Buddha was the ninth incarnation of Vishnu. There's nothing. The Buddha never said that. I remember that Guest was. Was kind of insinuating that, like, oh, he's Buddha's secretly a Nephilim and he's. There's nothing like that. Buddha doesn't claim to be anything but a human who awokened his mind to the truth, opened his heart to. To compassion, and he taught in parables, just like Jesus. Like, he. He. He. He even said, you'll like this. The Buddha said, don't believe a word I said. Don't believe anything I said. Just because I'm the Buddha. Test it yourself. If it's true. And what. How I define truth is that if you apply it, it will repeatedly give you good results. So if this is true, if you get good results from this, then apply what I said. If not, reject It.
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B
So yeah, there is. There. There does seem to be a divide where, you know, many Buddhists don't accept that view. Exactly as you've said here, Jason. And then there are. There's this Hindu perspective, which, you know, I guess it's like anything you're gonna find groups within a belief system that are kind of doing this tug of war. So many Buddhists don't accept no Buddha.
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E
No Buddhists do. Not a single one. It's.
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A
True Buddhist, I think.
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B
Yeah. It says Hindu.
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E
Particular Hindus. Hindus and Buddhists are different. Hindus. That's what I was saying. Like Buddha, like the Hindu Buddha grew up in the Hindu culture. He was just like Jesus. He re. He like. Just like Jesus went against the Pharisees. Buddha did the same thing. And his whole thing was almost like a counter to what. To what they had become. Just lazy, calling themselves a chosen people, following, following the laws and everything. So. So yeah, there's nothing in there about. About the. Call himself Vishnu or anything like that.
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B
Yeah, it's like when the Gnostics by Hindus.
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E
Oh, yeah.
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A
What the Gnostics say about Jesus, that, you know, he was. He was a hologram or he was. He married Mary Magdalene and had a bunch of kids. They just. That's just stuff they made up.
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E
Yeah, exactly. It's like people. People of all. All types. And that's what I was saying. It's like, to me, you got to go to the original sources. That's the Gospels. That's the. What we call them the sutras. The sutras of the. Are the collected teachings of the Buddha over 2600 years. There's countless commentaries upon commentaries upon commentaries. And, you know, that's why what we call the lineage is very important. I know Jay Dyer talks about the, like, why the orthodox is the best because they have the lineage, you know, so. So yeah, you gotta always. If it contradicts what. What the scripture says, then if someone says it's the ninth incarnation of issue. Buddha never said that. That's not any of the scripture.
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B
So Buddhism just sees Buddha. It's just interesting because it's like within the name. Like, if you go Christianity, it's about Christ, but if you look at Buddhism, it's. Is it not necessarily saying that Buddha.
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D
Yeah. What role does he play in it?
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B
Right, right.
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D
Because there are statues. Like, is he also. Is he fat?
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B
Is he that fat? Because that's. Because I see like, I see different.
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D
Versions of Buddha just had Chinese food the other day, which is weird.
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B
They just like rolling around with this golden. It's always made of gold.
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E
That's like a Chinese. That's, that's, that's actually. Oh, you talk about this too Maitreya. Like that, that they were saying Maitreya is going to be is so that's a perfect example. So there's this guy from like the 70s who called himself Maitreya and he's like I'm Maitreya, I'm the Buddha, I'm this. And he started a cult. And then your guest, I forget who it was, was going all about oh, this is Maitreya. This is just some guy who calls himself Maitreya. There, there is an idea. So to answer your question, we all have the potential to become Buddhas. Just means fully awakened. You master your conscious mind, you master your unconscious mind, you master your heart, you know, and so we all have the potential. Buddha reached it and he taught it and, and, and, and in the far future we can get into this like the lifespan is going to get shorter. People are going to be plugged into the, into the AI matrix and then eventually Maitreya will come in the far future and will become another Buddha and, and teaching. But it's not, it's, it's, you know what I mean? Like, it's like just because people 2,000 years later are doing something that does not reflect on the original teaching. Just like. Yeah, I mean think about the Christians with the snake charming Christians and, and, and, and you know, the whole like the. What is it speaking in tongues and all, all this stuff. You know, so you know, branches.
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A
Sorry, sorry to interrupt but I, I actually the day job's calling so I've got about 10 more minutes. So, but so I want to get into our, the spiritual warfare course. You guys can go on without me and have oh please do that, do this. And, and I think that one of the segues to this is that spiritual warfare follows some A1 tennis of Buddhist more or, or vice versa. And that is, you know, it's the backward step. It is, you are. Because we start the class talking about, we're going to talk about defense and things like that. So let's just give a quick preamble and I did a video on this. You can see on the, on faith by Reason, on, on the, on the page. I put up that for the registration. And so the reason it's all came about was after I started teaching the Bible from the supernatural point of view, you know, with John doing, doing Bible studies we've been doing for a few years and spiritual warfare just became a part of it because people were asking, could you talk about the spiritual realm, the Elohim realm and the battles that are going on there behind the scenes. You see like in Daniel chapter 10, where you know, the Prince of Persia is fighting against the, the Elohim that was sent to Daniel and then he has to fight the prince of the power of Greece, which we who are fallen Elohim who are, you know, given, who are given that role during the, after Babel. And they all fell because they accepted worship. But then they would say, well, how do we, how do we get rid of oppression in our life? You know, how do we deal with generational curses? How do we deal with people in our family who are spiritually oppressed? And we kept getting these questions and I was talking to John about it and I said, John, we need to do, we need to do a course on this. We need, people need to be taught. Because I can give some advice here and there, you know, prayer, the armor of God and all that kind of stuff, but we need to make this thorough. So John and I are putting together the curriculum right now for a 12 month course, whole year on spiritual warfare. And it is as I say on, on that page, this isn't just spiritual boot camp, this is Delta Force Green Beret, black belt training. Because you're not, you're going to not only learn about spiritual warfare, you're going to learn about how to walk with Jehovah better, you're going to learn how to, you're going to learn how about yourself, you're going to learn defense first. The first thing you have to do in spiritual warfare is you have to get yourself together just like any other combat. You've got to be, you got to be ready to go. You've got to get rid of everything that's not right in your life. Just like when Jason was talking about with Buddhism, you've got to get all that stuff out there, get on the, get your defense ready, then you can go on offense. And there is so, so much. John, you can talk about some more of the things people can expect in this course.
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C
Yeah, so Ed and I actually taught this course during COVID and I kind of let it and Ed was supporting it and we had these people going through covet and having these amazing experiences. So when Ed said, you know, we need to do that, what he's saying is, is we kind of need to do it formalized and not big picture willy nilly like I did it. So Ed's like really coming and stepped it up and the whole Thing is this. I have the greatest force in the universe inside of me, the Holy Spirit. And my goal is to allow God to work through me to affect this world. And I don't want to spend eternity telling people, you know, I had the greatest force in the universe and rather act in that. I got distracted by this government and circumstances and that's how I spent my time on earth. What about you, Ed? And I want to work with these people who are saying I want to do something that has an eternal effect and I want to, I want to have a story for eternity that I spent my time doing what Jesus did. And the first time I was on your guys show, I asked you guys, should you be talking to demons? And then I said, what did Jesus do? We can do stuff greater than Jesus and he knew his authority and he was dealing with them. No one teaches what he was specifically doing. And so it takes the entire Bible. What we did in that course was we started from the beginning of the Bible in chronological order. And there's so many instances when people go through the Bible like that, they find out there's some amazing things that happen in here. Why don't people teach it? Well, because they don't want us to operate in the spiritual warfare. So like I said, we've taught this class, but Ed is now putting the Ed Mabry stamp on it and, and is making it very formal, very logical, very organized. And that's what we're doing right now. We're taking all this, the notes we had from the previous course and, and making them, along with a lot of.
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A
Along with a lot of new stuff, along with a lot of the work that John has done on, on mental health and, and again on knowing who you are, having resiliency. And as I talked about, you know, dealing with covenants that you may have entered into unknowingly with entities that are, are allowing them to oppress you. You may say, you know, I'm walking with Jesus. Why am I still oppressed? Well, because you. Everything in the spiritual realm works under law. God Jehovah set up laws and he is subject to his own laws. He wouldn't be just if he didn't. So there could be, there could be a covenant that you set up through your words, through your actions that has given a spiritual entity rights over you. But you have through Jesus the authority to go into those same courts and say, I repent of this. We talked about repentance before and you have to tear up that contract. But if you don't know it, then you're going to be under oppression. That's just a sample. There's so much we're going to get into in this course. So it's going to be again, 12 months. It's going to be written material, there are going to be videos and there's going to be live sessions with John and I where we're going to do live teaching where you can bring up your, your questions and your issues. They're going to be quizzes. It's going to be, it's going to be a complete course. So this is, you know, considered a graduate level course in spiritual warfare. It's not just I'm going to bind this demon in the name of Jesus. It's way, way more than that because a lot of this stuff is just performance, performative and perfunctory. No, we're going to teach you the actual communication guidelines that Jesus used, that the disciples used. And, and they were casting out demons left and right because they had that authority through Jesus. I mean the first thing we say in the introduction is you are already victorious. You already have this ability through Jesus. So why are you oppressed? Because you don't know how. No one has, no one's trained you. I gave the, the analogy when John and I were talking before. It's like if you, if a 10 year old kid comes and attacks you, well what are you going to do? Are you going to pick him up and throw him somewhere? He's a 10 year old kid. But what if you didn't know you had that power and you just curl up into a ball and say, oh, have mercy on me. Well, eventually that 10 year old kid is going to beat the crap out of you. Not because he's stronger than you, but because you have taken a passive position and you don't understand your own power and you don't know how to use it. We are going to show you that these demonic entities are the 10 year old kid. You have through Jesus the authority to take them and toss them and get rid of them. And yes, there are different levels. There are. Demons are not as powerful as fallen angels, but you have power over all of them, including Satan himself, the nakash from the Garden of Eden. You have power over him because Jesus did as well. Now it's going to require different sorts of things that depend different sorts of warfare tactics based on what you're dealing with. Jesus himself said when disciples couldn't cast a certain demon out, Jesus said, well, this kind only comes out through prayer and fasting, meaning you have to Be even more pure. That's just an example. So, but we're going to take you through all of that and it'll help you, it help your family to help anyone else who's oppressed. And as John said, this will be your opportunity to obey the Great Commission. Jesus said, go out into the world and make disciples of all men, teaching them the gospel. The gospel is a toolkit in discipleship. It's not the end all, be all. Like John said, salvation is not the end goal, salvation is a part of it. Then you have to make disciples of these people and you will be. And once you're done with this course, you will be able to teach it to others. And that is how you make a generative community. And that's how we expand and grow. That's what was going on in the, in the first century church, which is why they were able to do miracles, because they were focused singularly on discipleship. Why is our church so weak? We're not discipleship, we're not into discipleship. We're just, oh, you're saved. Good, off you go. And that's why our church is so weak. The reason the church was so strong during the Book of Acts, the first century, because they were doing discipleship. And they. So I trained you, I trained two people, they trained two more, they trained four, they trained eight. Exponentially growing. That's what our goal is, is to teach spiritual warfare. And then you teach it to your community and now you have an army. Because one thing John says that just floors me every time I hear it. You know, people, we talk about the Rapture back and forth and we know the Rapture has to happen before the Antichrist is revealed. Because the Antichrist can't be revealed as long as there is one person in the body of Christ on the, in the world. That's how, that's how much power you have. Paul himself says that you got to be the Holy Spirit has to be taken out of the way. Then will the man of sin been revealed. That means if there was one Christian who was indwelled by the Holy Spirit, Antichrist can't, can't manifest. That's how much power we have. But we just don't use it. And that's what we're going to teach you in this course. So go to that. We're, we're aiming for early next year. Q1. So we're again, we're putting the course together right now. But what, what you can do right now is sign up for it. No obligation. You're just putting, giving us your contact information so that we, when we're ready, we can let you know and you can, we'll tell you where to go to sign up for it.
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D
Well, I don't know. I mean if you're going to be in Florida in March, Ed and John, you're in Florida too. I think we could maybe you guys should do a live one.
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B
Well, I mean, you know, you don't have to do the. But like some sort of a bridge version.
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D
Well, one of them. They're going to do 12, right.
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B
So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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D
Do I. If you're here, you should come here too and then you should do it there and then we should tell people and then they can be in the audience and then you could, should record it and then.
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A
Yeah, we can, I think let's work on making that happen.
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D
We could do that. We can make that happen.
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A
Really Cool.
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C
Amazing.
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D
I think it should be, it's more powerful in person.
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B
Yeah.
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D
Especially when you're dealing with subjects like that.
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A
But, and just to be clear, just to be clear, the sign up is free, but there, there is a, the course, there is a charge for the course because it's, it's a, a lot of work that we're doing and there's a lot of benefit to it. Yeah. So you know, John and I are both, both do consulting and coaching and you know, there's, that's, you know, part of what we do for a living. So just, I just want to make that clear up front here. So what you're signing up for now is just to be notified and then it's going to be, it's going to be a full course that you enroll in. And just like any other education, there's, you know, you, you get what you pay for it. I think, I think you're going to get far more value for your money then, then. Yeah, actually John had to convince me to charge more because he was like, no, no, they need. This is.
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B
If you're doing a 12 part series, I mean that's no small undertaking. So I mean it's got, it's gonna be a lot of time.
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D
Yeah. Look at this. We have to cut this episode short because Ed has to leave.
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B
Well, yeah, he doesn't want to hang out anymore.
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E
That's really.
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B
Well listen, because he has other like work said it, he was like, I don't want to hang out anymore. And, and I saw him saying that. Well listen, it is time to bring it in for a landing. We're coming up on the Two hour mark. Why don't we do this? Then we'll go around and we'll give everybody's plugs. We'll start with you, Ed.
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A
Okay. Faithbyreason.net that's where you can get all my legacy information. You can also give my entire Revelation series there. It's up and available. If you come, if you become a member, you can sign up for that spiritual warfare course right there, front and center. And Patreon is another place you can, can sign up where you also get bonus episodes. You get content dropping there first. You can be a part of the Bible study.
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B
Gavin Newsom up at the top there, I think.
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D
Yes, actually.
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B
Yeah, same exact.
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A
Yeah, close enough.
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C
Yeah, he was talking all the way to the right.
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D
Yeah.
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A
See Q and A's and all that good stuff. And yes, it's a. It's a pretty lively community. And yeah, I love interacting with them there. Awesome, awesome.
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B
Okay, cool. And John, where can people find your work?
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C
Modeling God.com is where my books on God and God's wills is at. And then flowsest.com, the course, instant Impact was the course that Jason took. And that'll teach you how to flow.
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B
Okay. I've actually used man, I wish I remembered what, what my intangible driver was, but I remember reading it and being like, man, this is a really great. It's not a indicator. Yeah, it's, it's. It's important to understand yourself. And this is a good tool.
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D
It's like a compass almost, right?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. I don't want to call it a personality test because that's not. I don't think that that's accurate. What would you, what would you call it? I mean, the intangible driver is.
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C
It's your, it's the identity. It's your uniqueness, your mind and soul. So personality test is your behavior. This is really your mind and soul, who you are and the pause of all your actions.
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A
Right. It's who you are outside of context. All these personality tests, Myers, Briggs and those sorts of things, they tell you how you be, how you behave in certain contexts, like work is Meyer Briggs. And one of the other elements might be how you, how you behave in other situations with your intangible driver is how you are without. Without regard to context.
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C
And it's Romans 12. It's Romans 12. There's 7. And if you look at Romans 12, that's the spiritual gifts.
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A
And I want to say one quick thing, because I meant to say this before, because I want to give people an example of Flow that we're all familiar with. You know, when you're driving home to. You're from your house, you're familiar with it, and you. You're in a conversation with someone or there's a good song on. On. On the radio, and you. And you realize. And you. You're pulling in your driveway and you're like, how did I get here without running into people and running stop signs?
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D
You were text messaging this whole time. It's crazy.
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B
God, that's true. You guys don't even understand how true. Yeah, not good.
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A
Yeah. You're toggling back and forth. You're conscious enough to, you know, to not run into anyone. But your unconscious is, Is. Is. Is like, is what's keeping you safe. Or like when someone in basketball, when they say when they're in the zone, when you. They just can't miss a shot, they're flowing.
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E
Yeah.
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A
No hitter. You notice when someone is pitching a no hitter, they put them by themselves. No one talks to them because they know that if they distract them, they're going to get out of flow. They won't. They'll be all conscious. Yeah.
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D
David works specifically on getting you out of the flow, on never letting you get there.
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E
Oh, that's.
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B
Yeah, that's my. That's actually when I'm in my flow state is when I'm distracting others from theirs.
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A
Well, floaties, flow says will teach you how to do that intentionally. So if every athlete follow flow says they would all. They would always be in the zone.
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C
Yep.
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E
Very cool.
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B
Very cool. And. And Jason, where can people find you?
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E
Well, first, I just want to thank you guys for having me on again. I love your show. And just to. Just to kind of wrap up this, this conversation, there's a lot more I can. We can get into. But, but basically, you know, everything, like everything you guys talk about, I'm totally on board. I'm gonna be part of John's church. You know, like, I meet all the people, so. And I love Owen Benjamin, you know, so, you know, he's not into the Trinity, but, you know, at the end of the day, we're all really seeking truth. And I think, like, we're all looking to better ourselves. And he changes his mind, I change my mind. So I just want to. I love Christians and I don't want to. I'm not trying to bring anybody to Buddhism, just offer them something else. And something I realized, like I said, the Buddhist people, like 95 of the Buddhists, maybe even more that I meet are on the wrong side of every single issue. Like they were the first ones to get vaxxed. Like, like they literally are wrong on everything. You know what I mean? So, so that's why I, I made their shirt by the way. This is. Buddhas are truthers.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I mean Christians that shut the doors on their churches and that's what I mean.
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E
So it's like who do you want? So I would rather hang on out with Christian like so, so what I see coming is the, the revelation. I see some crazy things happening with you know, people plugging themselves into AI marrying, having AI wives and husbands.
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B
Like we're gonna have, that's 100 on the way.
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E
Yeah, we're gonna have a split society. And what I'm seeing is 80% of people are gonna go, are gonna be in these like 15 minute cities, smart cities. And the other 20% of us, we're going to be growing food. We're going to be bring, doing our uniqueness and I think all the little things that we have arguments about, we're all going to know God's presence and we're going to be able, with those people out of the way, you know, like we're going to be able to really have like these amazing communities and so really excited. So.
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B
Yeah, I like an optimistic view. You know, it's not one that you get when people look into the near future.
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E
Yeah, I, I'm like white pilled and black pilled, like and that's, that's what this, the trick is like if you think of it as the future, the world, everybody, you're gonna, you're gonna be like, how could this work out? If you realize that God is working to bring 80% of the people to these smart cities so then we have the rest of the world to actually do what's common sense, which we all know is common sense. Why would we spray roundup the stuff that we know kills us and they just keep losing lawsuits and, and. Take care, Ed. Yeah.
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A
So sorry guys, I'm late for a meeting. But we'll, we'll talk soon.
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E
Great.
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D
See you later. Okay, thank you.
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A
Talk to you later.
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E
Yeah, it's, it's. I'm very up. I wasn't always optimistic. Again, I'm a truther. I, I mean I know I, I've gone so deep, but I really do feel that this is actually. God's working this. So we're gonna have an amazing, amazing time ahead after about a year. We need to, we need to have this next year is going to be crazy as.
- [117:18]
B
But we're Gonna go through it before it gets better. I believe that, too. It gets better.
- [117:24]
E
I really see also how, again, you could see. I don't want to say they. The Illuminati. I, again, I know how deep it goes. I just see it as God. Like John was saying, God's more powerful. But it's just brilliant how they had everybody divided on Trump and not Trump. And then it's on October 10th, like, three days after October 7th. I already saw what was going on. They split it. They have all the algorithms. They have access to all. All of, you know, all of our data. And they knew the Israel issue would be the way to split us into four. So instead of just Trump, anti Trump, now we have Trump, pro Israel, Trump, you know, Republican, pro Israel, and anti Israel, and then left. So we're now in four different categories. And so we got this year. But again, I think this is all God's plan to actually bring, like, what we all know is common sense. Like, and that's what the conscious mind is. Like. You have these people, like, people we know, like, they're seeing what we're seeing, or they're not seeing what we're seeing. We're seeing every. All this crazy stuff. And you could show them the truth, and they just. They can't see it because they're unconscious. So what John and I are doing is we want to make people more conscious. So embodiment.com, if you go there, put your email in. Like, John's a busy guy. He's doing this thing with Ed. He's doing this thing with me, and he's doing a hundred other more things. But.
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B
But, yeah, embodiment. How is that spelled?
- [118:47]
E
Yeah. B, O, D, H, I, M, E, N, T. Bodhi, again, just means conscious. Awakened wisdom. Awaken, awakened minds. Mindfulness. So. So, yeah, there's me and John, and so through journaling. John's been journaling for 40 years. Journaling is an amazing way. I don't know if you guys do it, but it connects your conscious and your unconscious mind. Like, your unconscious is. God speaks through your unconscious, right? So your unconscious has all of your memories. It knows what to do. So we need to just learn how to listen to it better. And it doesn't speak, you know, like, it speaks in a quiet voice. So it's. It's kind of like just training ourselves. Everything that we do in Buddhism, everything that John does is improv. John makes games. You know, all of this is ways to get the unconscious, because that's. And that's when you're in it. You feel like blissful and flow. You don't. It's the opposite of feeling possessed.
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B
And that's one more time. Can you spell that?
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E
Sorry, Embodiment. It's embodiment with an H after the E, N, E, O, H, I, M, E, N, T. And yeah, just look me up Jason Demchuk on Instagram. And yeah, we'd love to connect with you guys.
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D
Awesome. Awesome, man. All right, guys, thank you again for coming out. It's always fun talking to you, John. It's nice to meet you, Jason. This is a fun. This was a different kind of episode. I enjoyed it. I. I thought we. I thought we were able to, like. Hopefully we didn't like.
- [120:22]
B
I don't know, I think we drew a lot of overlap and some. Some value out of it.
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D
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But once again, man, thanks for coming on. And guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. We'll see you later.
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C
Sam.