TIME CAPSULE - 12: Understanding Conspiracy w/ Paul Stobbs

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad: TIME CAPSULE - 12: Understanding Conspiracy with Paul Stobbs

Date: October 8, 2025
Host(s): TopLobsta, David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Guest: Paul Stobbs (Understanding Conspiracy on YouTube)

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Overview

This episode explores the nature of conspiracies—especially those with Biblical overtones—through the lens of guest Paul Stobbs’ research. The conversation revolves around the Nephilim, their possible presence and influence in modern times, and Paul’s unique “Nephilim look like clowns” theory. The hosts and Paul delve into mythology, anthropology, symbolism, psychological effects of conspiracies, and their manifestations in culture, pop entertainment, and even government intrigue.

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Key Points & Insights

1. Paul Stobbs’ Origin Story and Approach

[03:18 - 08:14]

• Paul describes his background as an art student who began looking into conspiracy theories for artistic inspiration.
• Originally an atheist and skeptic, his deep dive into conspiracy led him to take their claims more seriously, shifting his view toward belief in their validity.
• Paul’s approach is informed by a desire to ground people psychologically as they learn about conspiracies and avoid letting the knowledge spiral into paranoia.

“You have to… be an ambassador for the truth. And if you look crazy, people aren't going to buy the information that you're trying to sell them because they don’t want to end up like you.”
—Paul [05:49]

2. Info on Paul’s Channel and Work

[10:37 - 12:08]

• Paul runs Understanding Conspiracy on YouTube, where he covers Nephilim, occult symbolism, the music industry, and provides “Tips for Truthers,” helping people to remain balanced while absorbing unconventional truths.
• Currently writing a book on the “Nephilim look like clowns” theory; GoFundMe supporters can have their names included in the book.

"I'm working on the book and ... people are thirsty for this. This information is quite..."
—Paul [15:14]

3. The ‘Nephilim look like Clowns’ Theory

[16:05 - 21:23]

• Paul summarizes his research: “The Western image of a clown is a purposefully created symbol that represents demons or the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim giants.”
• Across ancient cultures, especially in Africa and India, “ancestor spirit worship” involves ritual dress resembling clownish features to channel entities—the so-called “builders of civilization,” whom Paul identifies with the Nephilim.
• Differences between North and South Hemisphere traditions are highlighted—open channelling in the South, hidden/occulted in the Christianized North.

"When they say ancestor spirits, ... they mean the builders of their civilization from an ancient past ... not family members."
—Paul [16:38]

4. Biblical and Mythological Foundations

[21:23 - 37:47]

• Discussion of Cain’s mark, possible genetic markers carried by Nephilim, and how various apocryphal and canonical texts (Book of Lamech, Book of Jasher, etc.) contribute details.
• Paul elaborates on the cycles of hybridization: Fallen angels mate with humans (creating Nephilim); Nephilim further hybridize, producing even smaller variants.
• Reference to the ancient world’s technological and genetic manipulation, especially the days of Atlantis and the pre-flood era.

Notable Quote:

"They started to hybridize themselves, giving themselves the wing of an eagle, ... giving themselves the armor of an insect ... to make themselves more powerful, like gods themselves."
—Paul [37:47]

5. Modern Echoes: Hybridization, Transhumanism, and War

[38:00 - 52:00]

• Modern genetic experimentation (e.g., axolotl research, cryptids like Dogmen) seen as repeating the sins of Noah’s day.
• Discussion of military experimentation, giant "guards," and manipulation of public perception.
• Speculation about the real motivations behind Mid-East wars and artifact seizures: suppression of ancient knowledge/cover-up of Nephilim remains.

Notable Moment:

“This isn’t necessarily just about money or just about oil ... at the highest level about subverting our understanding of who we are and the history of mankind.”
—David Lee Corbo (The Raven) [51:28]

6. Clown Symbolism and Occult Power

[53:37 - 83:36]

• The history of the clown as a symbol is traced from ancient folk practices to the modern circus and media.
• Paul asserts that clown iconography is far more than entertainment: it’s an occult tool facilitating demonic channeling, especially when people unwittingly take on clownish mannerisms or styles.
• Clown aesthetics (white skin, red hair, wide grin, polka dots, cone hats, oversized shoes) match descriptions of Nephilim in world mythology, particularly their supposed reptilian/serpentine features.

Notable Quotes:

“I do believe that there is a certain attitude to the Nephilim which you could call clownish, jokerish, gesterish. Irreverence is the word, you know, anti-human to the point of humor and crudeness.”
—Paul [56:59]

“We live in a clown world because we have allowed these things to come through. We reflect them.”
—Paul [80:08]

7. Current Trends: Clowncore, Horror, and Cultural Penetration

[78:15 - 115:36]

• Clown aesthetics are now rampant in fashion, entertainment ("Clowncore", "Amazing Digital Circus"), and online culture, often sexualized or merged with horror.
• Clown as horror trope has overtaken the jolly children’s variant (e.g., Ronald McDonald being phased out).
• This is interpreted by Paul as deliberate cultural engineering to make the masses more susceptible to “spirit possession” or at least channeling the negative, nephilim-derived energies.

8. Spiritual Hierarchy: Nephilim, Demons, and Angels

[88:47 - 92:18]

• Paul emphasizes the distinction: fallen angels are not demons. Demons are disembodied Nephilim (or possibly corrupt hybrid humans), wandering and seeking embodiment, able to be rebuked in Jesus' name.
• The ever-present theme: resistance is possible through Christ, and these forces are the true “defeated enemy.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On paradigm shifts and cognitive resistance:
  “That guard is… a defense that they're using to protect their entire worldview. And so it's understandable when people are resistant to ideas like this, because it's not a fun thing having your paradigm shattered.”
  —David Lee Corbo (The Raven) [08:54]

• Societal Amnesia:
  “We're always looking forward... we lose a lot of information in the back end, man. And it's like I've been doing this for a long time and I find myself talking about the now and the future instead of revisiting all the wild things that have happened in the past.”
  —David Lee Corbo (The Raven) [12:34]

• Summing Up the Clown-Nephilim Theory:
  “Common descriptors of most Nephilim creatures is white skin and red hair… That’s the base of a clown straight away.”
  —Paul [96:35]

• On Spiritual Symbolism and Power:
  “Does a symbol have power even if you don’t understand its meaning? ... I would argue that, yeah, probably.”
  —David Lee Corbo (The Raven) [80:16]

• On the Defeat of Darkness:
  “We have authority over them. If you are suffering from demonic oppression or attacks… just call in the name of Jesus and you'll be saved. Just remember that.”
  —Paul [117:23]

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• [01:02] - Opening with Paul’s view on mass hypnosis & societal control
• [03:18] - Paul’s journey from skeptic to conspiracy researcher
• [16:05] - “Nephilim look like clowns” theory explained
• [26:10] - Biblical genealogy and hybridization
• [37:47] - The Days of Noah and ancient technological manipulation
• [44:45] - Modern hybridization, giants, and military experiments
• [51:27] - Why ancient artifacts and sites are really targeted
• [53:37] - The deeper occult meaning and history of the clown
• [62:32] - Human responses to giants; child sacrifice & horror tropes
• [78:15] - Clowncore, fashion, and pop culture trends
• [88:47] - Demons are not angels: the true hierarchy
• [117:23] - Spiritual conclusion and Christ as conqueror

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Final Thoughts, Tone, and Takeaways

The tone throughout is lively, irreverent, but earnest—balancing dark or bizarre subject matter with gallows humor and open critical inquiry. Paul underscores the importance of not succumbing to fear or obsession: spiritual warfare is real, but the ultimate truth is victory through Christ.

Closing Key Points:

• The Nephilim as foundational to world conspiracies, culture, and spiritual corruption.
• Clown imagery is not accidental but is an occult symbol tracing back to ancient demonology.
• Cultural, political, and even technological events today may be echoing ancient struggles.
• Personal empowerment comes from knowledge—grounded, calm, and spiritually anchored.

Memorable advice:

“Don’t just focus on the clowns. They’re defeated. We have authority over them. Remember that.”
—Paul [117:23]

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Transcript

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[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying happen to.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The home of the brave.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

These ain't controlling this now when no one's talking about how they made us moderately slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds and want to wake.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Up to a dead in the grave.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

But then it's too late.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We need to be ready to raise up.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government releasing Po.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad, the show where we hunt down and expose the Nephilim. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That's Top Lobster. And before we jump into it, I just gotta admit, I've had some headphone issues recently. And so every time Top says, like, man, that intro really hypes me up, man. Like Vinnie Paz and the graphics and the whole Nephilim shit dropping. I've just been nodding my head and lying that I understand what he's talking. I haven't been able to hear it and it does, dude, now I can finally hear it. It does hype me up. I'm ready to go.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

And.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And today we are here with the man, the myth, the legend himself, Paul, of understanding conspiracy. What's going on, brother? How are you?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I'm pretty good, guys. Yeah. Thanks for having me. It's good to be here.

[Top Lobster]

I am. I'm very excited. I was listening to Radio's episode. Yeah. With you on it originally, maybe before we even started the show. And you broke down the whole clown conspiracy. Then you were on Tinfoil Hat, and I was like this guy. Like, you bought a new. You brought a new layer of this nephilim shit that we like to look into, this beautiful, disgusting onion that every time I peel back a layer just makes me cry more. And I'm like, man, you blew my mind. So I'm looking forward to just you telling us about this today and me actually being in the room and being able to, like, Wait a second. Extrapolate on that.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

All right. Yeah, yeah. Now it's good to be here. Yeah. What was it about two, three months ago and we had our talk there? Raven? Something like that. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's actually really cool because I'm. I'm here with two dudes that gave me a chance, like, really early in the show's life. I mean, really, in the grand scheme of things, it's still very early. I've only been doing the show now for, I think, a little bit over four months. But both of you guys took a chance on me, and, Man Paul, like, really helped me come out of the gate hot with a banger when it. As far as, like, information goes, because it's a incredibly dense theory, and you've done a lot of homework, and one of the things that I love about you, and I just want to say this, and then I'd like you to just let people know about yourself and where they can find your work. But was that you were sort of brought to the table with conspiracies. If I. If I'm correct in my recall here, being tasked with doing a paper at university on sort of maybe the psychological aspects of conspiracies and why they're so popular and how they seem to be found in, like, every culture, amongst every people, and you went into this as a skeptic, as a younger man, I believe you even said that you were atheist. And after delving into the realm of conspiracies and, you know, sort of trying to pick it apart and almost disprove it and maybe paint it more as a psychological aspect, you came out of it as A conspiracy theorist yourself?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, that's pretty much it. Yeah. I mean I studied a fine art degree at university in Lincoln in the UK and you know, I was. I was pretty much a stereotypical art student. Smoking weed every day, taking psychedelics, you know, just. Just doing the usual things university students do. But I kind of started to delve into conspiracy theories as a subject matter for my artwork. Because you have to just generate artwork constantly for three years and you have these teachers in market basically constantly. There's no like test at the end of the year or anything. It's just a constant three year study and a constant form of evaluation.

[Top Lobster]

Paul, kind of what kind of art are you doing? Are you doing graphic art or more like paintable?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

For me it was always painting, drawing, physical stuff. I was never much of a computer artist ever. I've always just been that way.

[Top Lobster]

I've just.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I like to use my hands, you know.

[Top Lobster]

And are you still doing this?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Not so much having a kid these days, no. I don't find time.

[Top Lobster]

I feel you pain, brother. I got two. Yeah. So it's like, you know, time is. But if, listen, if you ever do get back into that, hit me up because we could do some really fun stuff, like really cool stuff. Just hit me up later. Think about that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I mean I'm always, I'm always looking for a way to get back into it, but it's just, I just don't have time, you know. And with the channel and everything now as well, I do a lot of work on this now. This is my artwork now. This is what happened. Basically by the end of my 3 year degree I had this channel and this became my work. This is. I mess. Started making videos like David was saying, you know, from this psychological perspective of conspiracy. What. Why do people believe these things? You know, are they crazy or do they have the right information and they just seem crazy because of what it does to them, you know, but they're actually true, you know. And I basically came to the conclusion that no, this is the right information, this is all real. It's just the people saying it crazy. And no one takes. You can't present. They're not presenting it very well. But back in this is years, this is like a decade ago. This was early days of conspiracy theories. You know, this was. This is when Requiem for a Dream was blasting in the background while you saw meteor crashing into a planet exploding type YouTube videos, you know, this was cheesy over the top over dramatized imagery with the matrix clips put in there. Every like three seconds, you know, it was old school days of presentations basically and no, no one was taking it seriously then. And I kind of got past that and realized at the bottom, bottom of it all, no, this is real, this is actually really happening. Like there's a conspiracy. And I suppose I wanted to make a channel which would say them in a way that people could relate to more easily and not think it's crazy because I, I kind of developed this philosophy because I've always been a kind salesman, I've always worked in retail and even now I'm, I'm a self employed photographer. I have to sell myself, you know. But you, you've got a. People don't buy products, they buy the person selling the product. So you have to, you're an ambassador for the truth. And if you look crazy, people aren't going to buy the information that you're trying to sell them because they don't want to end up like you. But if you see well together and calm and cool and collect, then they'll psychologically think, well, he seems well put together and he believes it, so there must be something to it. That's kind of how we have to do it. It's sa people work that way, like I said, you know. But some people do lose their mind very quickly when they start spiraling down rabbit holes and it does turn them into weirdos, it does. I've been there, we've all been there. It's what happens, you know, perfectly normal. But I try and I try myself to help people stay grounded. That's kind of what my channel was originally all about. But then I developed this theory as I did my own research into the conspiracy which we're going to talk about today. So.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, you know what, you're 100, right? Man, I find myself going in and out of that. Like whenever you find out something new, you're like holy Charlie Day. Pointing at the wall with the, you know, the rope. And I found a good way to outlet this for people. Anybody listening? I mean either intense study and writing books like, like Paul is doing or, or like comedy and jest. If you, if you kind of keep yourself light hearted people also, they'll laugh, they'll not quite know where to put you. And they also don't know when you're completely serious. We're like, well no, it's inter, interdimensional beings and they're, you know, the disembodied spirits of the nephilim. That's what I'm talking about. And they're like, huh, this guy's fucking funny. I'm like, yeah, okay, I'll talk to you in a year. You know, you're not ready.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I love that, though. That really does work out, because comedy is the great sort of equalizer. It brings people's guard down, you know, and it allows for these ideas to. To sort of permeate and be considered, at least, because that guard is, is that defense that they put up. That's a defense that they're using to protect their entire worldview. And so it's understandable when people are resistant to ideas like this, because it's not a fun thing. Having your paradigm shattered. I'm sure that all three of us can. Can speak to that to some degree. And I was just lucky enough to. I'm good at pattern recognition, and I'm good at. I'm good at noticing. I'm good at recognizing when. When something doesn't feel right. There we go. Perfect. Gustav. Something doesn't feel right. The, the, the official explanation isn't suffice. And if I can find something that, after looking at it a bit, fits much better as a lens to look at the world through, then I'm going to adopt that. And that doesn't mean in a permanent fashion, but that means I'm going to play with this lens a lot more instead of allowing it to upset me, becoming very rigid, becoming defensive. I just swap the lens out. It doesn't matter. I've popped in a lot of lenses that don't work, guys, and, and all you do is you. You take it out, you put it to the side, and I don't even really throw it away. I just put it on a shelf somewhere and I go, maybe later, maybe there's some validity to that. Maybe it's not all true, but let me try this new one on. And a lot of people, they have a hard time with that. So before we get into Paul's really excellent theory, I would like, if you could just let the audience know where they can find you and a bit about the work that you've done and where they can find that work.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Sure, yeah. So I'm primarily on YouTube. That's, that's where I do all my stuff. I make videos. I've been on there for a decade. It's called Understanding Conspiracy. And if, if you go on there, you'll see I do quite a lot of things. It's not just the Nephilim theory that we talk about today, but that is primarily what I've become known for. Like I said, I have many playlists on my channel where I'm decoding the occult symbolism in media. You know, I've got a Tips for Truthers series which is basically, again, trying to help people stay calm and give them advice on how to deal with learning this information. I have a series on the music industry as well, where. Which I'm kind of like doing another one called Remember where I go into old school theories that you may have forgotten from the past. So I kind of. I do a lot of things there, but YouTube is the place to find it all. I am on you.

[Top Lobster]

I got to do a deep dive on. On your content now because I did. I just like, glimpsed through, like the stuff that I knew you were talking about. But yeah, a lot of this stuff sounds really interesting, like things that we've forgotten and just kind of dust this off. It's like we need to get a guest for this random conspiracy. You know, it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

The stuff on there, honestly, which I had to jog my memory about and go back and do some research because it's been a year, like 10 years since I've looked at it myself. And it really is a nostalgia trip. A lot. A lot of the theories I bring up on there you will have forgotten about, but they have been around and they are quite prevalent and important and they're still happening. But people have just kind of pushed him to the back of the mind because something new and crazy has come along and you kind of forget about these conspiracies that are still real, still happening. Just.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, you're arguing with your family at Thanksgiving dinner, right? And you're like, listen, they did this and they did this. And then you're like, what else did they do? But I know I was on to something. And you, like, if you go back down this rabbit hole he's talking about, you can probably just rattle them off. Like, here's 10 things that happened that you just can't deny that it happened in sequence, you know, but like, we're too stupid to remember because it's like they're fear charming us with the next thing, the next thing. And you just don't. You can't think like, you know, 10 minutes before.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's so true. Shout out to Project Cheney. In the chat, I did an episode with her on the Ravens Watch. We got to get her on Nephilim death squad because one of the things that we did was we revisited she said something excellent. She was just like, as conspiracy theorists, we're Always looking forward. We're looking at what's happening now and trying to predict the next thing. And because of that, yeah, we lose a lot of information in the back end, man. And it's like I've been doing this for a long time and I find myself talking about the now and the future instead of revisiting all the wild things that have happened in the past. And all we did. Cheney, Cheney. And I was go back to just 2019 and it was like the whole episode was like, dude, I can't. I forgot that happened. I forgot that happened. It was all this insane stuff, especially around, you know, the Q and, and all the celebrities. When, when, when the vid verse popped off and all these celebrities are doing all these weird videos. Ellen DeGeneres has ankle monitors on and she looks like she's been crying and all the craziest crap was happening. And yeah, man, we just have this tunnel vision, you know, this horses with blinders. We look forward and we look at the ground, but we don't look at what's behind us anymore.

[Top Lobster]

But it's the trauma. It's the trauma.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Corble.

[Top Lobster]

I'm going to start calling him Corbeau. We're going to make that happen. Let's go about it. It's the trauma. Because I can't, I can't remember clearly before 9 11, but I know I was listening to Tinfoil Hat, like since its inception. I mean, before 9 11, before COVID Look at this.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Do you see?

[Top Lobster]

You see how my, my brain is like linking the trauma. Like we went from one trauma to the next and like the in between doesn't quite matter because even though I'm aware of it, it's still hard to overcome because it is a tangible human reaction that we have to this Nephilim shit.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh yeah, absolutely.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Paul, real quick, you, you do have a book you're working on, right?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh yeah, yeah. Like I said, I've been doing this, this Nephilim look like clowns theory since about 2016. October 3, 2016 is the day I made my first video on the subject. And what's that now? Seven, eight years later? I'm. Now I'm halfway through writing a book on the, on the subject. There's a GoFundMe. You can go and support it with pre orders on there. If you're interested in getting involved. You'll get a special thank you. Your own name in the book as well, as well as a signed copy from myself once it's published. But basically I've been Doing this so long that I had just had this huge body of work. I have like a 43 episode series dedicated to breaking all this down, going into many facets. There's discoveries along the way as I do my research, you know, and I realized this, this needs putting in writing before I end up getting taken away and everything just disappears, you know. So that's what I'm doing right now. I'm working on the book and it's the, the support has been amazing, overwhelming. People are thirsty for this. This information is quite.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We'll be sure then to link the gofundme in the description below. I'm really excited for that. I'll certainly be one of the first purchasers as soon as that book comes out. I'll be looking forward to adding that to the collection. Real quick, how long do we have you? Because I want to see how we're going to play this out.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I can go till about 10, quarter 10, I can go for two hours, something like that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay, perfect. So then, because we're, we're Chatty Cathy's, we're going to interrupt you a lot. We're going to have a lot of questions and so just keep that in mind as we're going through this. But I want you to start at sort of the, the, the beginning of your, your, your argument. What is it do you think that makes the, the, the, the modern day visage of the clown sort of an homage to the actual vision or visage rather of the, the Nephilim.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Okay, yeah. So I've been trying to condense this down to a quick elevator pitch for a good like year or two, to be honest, and I'm getting there. I have just released a Nephilim clown connection in 15 minutes video where I've broken it out as quickly as I possibly can. And even then I didn't get everything in there. So we'll flesh it all out today. But if I could basically just very quickly summarize it is that the, what we call a clown and the image of a clown in the Western hemisphere, that the, you know, the Western world, the European American kind of version of a clown, is a purposefully created symbol that represents demons or the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim giants that were once on the earth. That's the theory quickly summarized. And I have gone on to prove that there is some nefarious weird stuff going on in the creation of a clown throughout history, specifically this Western iteration. Now, the work is primarily what I do, an anthropological study of different Folk traditional cultures found all around the earth on every continent. These are the oldest traditions that ancient traditional cultures and religions have been following even long before their religions came along. You know, this is old ritualistic, passed down through word of mouth generationally, for thousands of years type stuff. And you'll find they all have this thing called ancestor spirit worship where they like to dress up in a very weird psychedelic colored, white skinned, polka dot, big golden crown, red haired, headdressed looking thing like a clown, something similar to a clown, kind of similar to what we would describe as clownish features for the sole purpose of channeling or warding away nephilim spirits or their ancestor spirits as they call them. So when they say ancestor spirits, they don't mean what we kind of translate the word ancestor to mean. They don't mean the family members who have died 100 years ago or so. They don't mean the great great grandmas or uncles or aunties or whatever. They mean the builders of their civilization from an ancient past. They're talking about the old ones, the old God, the gods of the ancient past that they believe built their civilization and everything about their culture. So these aren't family members. These ancestor spirits are old ancient spirits that they consider something worthy of veneration and emulation. So that's why they dress like them. And they understand that this practice of dressing like the thing is, is to channel the thing to bring it into their bodies. And when they do dress up like this and do allow the thing into their body, usually then it varies among every culture, but it's usually to gain something from the spirit, whether it's information, knowledge, power. Then the tribes will offer sacrifices up to it. Some people who, the fam. For example, in India when they do their version of this, people give them live chickens and they have to eat the head off the chicken because it's an offer to the God. It would be disrespectful for the channeler not to eat the thing because the God within them wants the blood. So they have to do it. Do you know what I mean? And this is, this is basically happens everywhere. It's, it's huge in Africa, I'll say that. And it's, it's kind of just. Ancestor spirit worship is a huge thing in Africa and India mainly south of the equator. If you go north of the equator, we have a weird way of doing it. Now in Europe for example, and in like the Russian area, Siberian area, we'd have. And north Americas, I kind of have our own way of doing because we're highly Christianized peoples. It's kind of more occulted, it's more hidden in the Western hemisphere because, well, we're dealing with demon spirits. If they're roaming around in a realm that's predominantly Christian, then that means they are more prone to be easily cast out and, or they're not anymore.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, look at America.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Well, that's probably part of the agenda, isn't it? You know, that's why there is such a degradation and a removal of God from the western hemisphere probably is to aid in the out. The outward appearance of these Nephilim creatures coming in through channels and mediums by making people more and more clownish in nature. So this is why I'm saying with the clown kind of comes into it for us. So for these other cultures down south that I've kind of talked about and explained with the veneration and ancestor spirit worship to them, it's perfectly out in the open and understood and well accepted within the culture that that's what they're doing. It's not hidden, it's. It's known and people gather to watch it happen and they allow it to happen and they give the demon, when it's possessing somebody veneration and adulation and applause and give it stuff, you know, they want it to happen. People are doing it because they want to be possessed. And the culture is aware of it and don't shun it. They accept it and encourage it. In the, in the northern western hemispheres, we don't, we don't accept that. That's taboo, that's evil, it's of the devil, it's wrong. It. We cast them out in Jesus's name. So they have to be hidden. They have clever about it in the north to get away with doing this. So to do that, what's been invented is what we call a clown. And to us a clown is just on a surface exoteric, what the profane, simple masses are supposed to understand. It's just something silly for the kids. And that's all a clown is to us. However, it's not. It's identical in fashion and design to the same outfits worn by these traditional folk traditions who purposely wear these costumes to be possessed by demons, servants. It's the same, it's the same costume aesthetics.

[Top Lobster]

Let me interrupt you. One of the questions that I had when I was listening to you interview Raven was so you're saying that these are the old lowercase g gods.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

And according to your, your theory, you're saying that like when God When God marked Cain, right, he marked him with these. I'm sure we'll get to that. But so, so you're of the assumption that there were people before Adam and Eve inhabiting the earth?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh well this, this is, I, I'm not 100 on any of this because I wasn't there. But I, I do like to hear.

[Top Lobster]

It's gotta be though, right?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Like I am inclined to believe that yes, there was a, some kind of first creation of masses of peoples that were told to go forth, spread and take over the earth, basically, you know, go forth and multiply, basically. And that's not what happens to Adam and Eve. It's a different story. Immediately after that phrase, it then says God created Adam and put him in a God.

[Top Lobster]

And then it's interesting like talking to like Christian people, they're like, you know, some of them are very hardcore on, oh no, no, Adam was the first person. If you say something different. But then I'm like, well then why was, why was Cain so terrified to be like banished from this land? You know, he's like, they'll kill me.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And that he had to have a mark to not be killed. Who's gonna, exactly. Who's gonna kill who?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, there's loads, there's loads of things. I mean he went to the land of Nod, which was an established place with a name. He knew where to go, you know, and places don't get named unless people have named them. And people argue, oh well, Adam and Eve had loads of sons and daughters, but that's not enough. That doesn't, doesn't cover the entire earth to enough to build civilizations by this point. It's not enough, you know, and Cain basically goes and becomes a God among these peoples because he has knowledge which he learned from his father, Adam. And Adam walked with God, so they weren't stupid by comparison. Cain was like a God to these people, people. And he had this strange mark which also meant he was practically invincible. No, no one was allowed to kill him, you know, so he's an immortal God to these people by that standard. There's this plenty of speculation over what the mark was. And I cannot answer that age old 2003, 5000 year old debate today. You know, it's one of those things. But what I have, what I thought was interesting that fit in with my theory is that there's this thing called the book of the Mech of Cain and Leviathan which has just been released in 2019 supposedly by the Vaticans. It's like an old people say oh, well, it's just, it's not canon, you know, it's just, it's a heretical book type of thing. People don't view it with any seriousness. But if you read it, it goes on to explain what the mark of Cain specifically was. It gives you an answer. It doesn't humor or I postulate. And the character of Lamech from Cain's lineage is six generations down from Cain's side is trying to find out who did Adam mate with. What's going on here? So who did Kane have sex with? Like how, how are we here? And why do we have white skin and not like me or you, I'm talking porcelain, plaster, leprosy, piece of A4 paper white, white as you vampiric whites. It's like, why do we all look like this? And it's kind of we don't understand. He couldn't understand even himself how Kane managed to create all these people. Because if it's just Adam and Eve, then it doesn't make any sense. So he, he goes on a quest to discover where did these people come from, what's going on, who you know, how did this happen? How did the Earth get populated if Adam and Eve were the only people? And he doesn't like the answers he keeps getting from people. You think he's upset? The prospect, I think, of hearing that he wasn't from the lineage of the first people or something like that. His pride got to him and by then he'd kind of made friends with a giant Nephilim who was roaming around at that time, who had taught him how to tame a giant lizard called Leviathan. Right. And every time someone gave an answer he didn't like, he made Leviathan eat them out of anger and rage. And he's also trying to ask and find out like, why do we have leprous white skin? So that's implying that's what the mark is and that's what every generation down from Kane will be marked with. Now leave racial stuff out of this. It's not about that. This is something else. Okay, but what it does make sense to my theory is that the Nephilim are said to have been extremely pale white skinned creatures with fiery red and or golden hair, with glowing golden and or blue eyes, with a big wide serpent grin and everything. Now if the Seraphim angels, the watchers, are the ones who mated with the daughters of Cain, the daughters of Cain would have bought this extremely pale white skinned mark. Therefore it's highly likely that's where the Nephilim genetically got their extremely pale skin with the wild fiery red hair from the fathers from this.

[Top Lobster]

I thought, I thought the timeline, I thought that the Nephilim might have come before, but you know, saying that they, they come after.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

The Nephilim are strictly a product of watchers mating with human women in the antediluvian age. That's, that's what the Nephilim are.

[Top Lobster]

So this is human being, human being of the line of Adam and Eve.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah. So whatever's before. So Adam and Adam and Eve, you know, they had, it says they had two sons. First it was Seth, sorry, Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel. Cain was banished off and started his own lineage with these peoples of day six is the theory I'm going off here. So he started his own kingdom, you know, he's all his own lineage going by mating and mixing with these people. I don't, I don't want to go into details exactly about what the nature of these peoples were. Maybe they were just like us. They just weren't chosen as special like Adam was or something. I don't think there's any dip. People argue well, they were lesser evolved humans or something. I don't think so. I think they were just people like us. But Adam was just plucked up as special and put somewhere. That's all Adam's story is about, you.

[Top Lobster]

Know, so the story, the story of the Bible right from Adam all the way to Jesus is just a, the genealogy of a bloodline.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Jesus, yes, from Seth's lineage. So Adam's, you know, third born son after Abel was killed. Seth is the righteous lineage and, and pure and, and doesn't mix with these people, I suppose, maybe. Thing is, it says By. I think it's by like the, the last generation of Noah. Everyone's corrupt. It's all mixed. It's just one big blend. You don't know who's who. It doesn't matter anymore. It's just Noah is the only one left who's pure in his generations essentially by that point. Everyone's corrupted by the end, so it's kind of irrelevant. But the point is you can trace the lineage of Jesus all the way back through Seth. That's the hat. That's what the Bible is, you know, it's just that's why they're always about the dates, the times and the names and the families. That's what it's constantly just tracking it right from the beginning because it's kind of like a war happening, isn't it? Between this corruption of God's Creation and the perfection of God's creation. I think even after the, the flood and the Nephilim returned again and tried to do it again, you know, and there's, there's a constant agenda at play to corrupt God's creation, and that's what a lot of this is all about. So I think Cain, who was the first murderer, full of jealousy and pride and hubris, he kind of made friends with the fallen angels, who also had a very similar mindset towards God. They were also cast out of their, their perfect world, you know, from heaven down to earth.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's funny, Paul, because you're saying this whole sort of, this manipulation of the genealogy of God's perfect creation by the Nephilim, right? And the fallen. And so if you look to today's standards, you still have this happening with this whole alien abduction mystery that's going on, which, you know, I'm much more of the mindset that this is still of the fallen, of the Nephilim. But one of the things that they do is that they are abducting people and they are having hybrid babies with them. And I remember when I was younger reading this book by Whitley Striver, it's called Communion, he talks quite a bit about people's firsthand testimony in regards to being abductee victims. And he says in his sort of wrap up of the story that the point in his mind has something to do with, you know, altering the DNA of mankind, creating this hybrid with our DNA and their DNA. And so looking at that alone in a bubble, it's interesting enough. But as soon as you consider for a moment that these things are not what they're claiming to be, not what our government is telling us, they are not some highly advanced civilization from another planet who, you know, through their own technological means have managed to come, you know, thousands of light years across the galaxy to do whatever the hell. No. What if these things are the same ancient adversaries that have been along with us since the dawn of mankind and who are still at the same game, which is changing our DNA, manipulating our DNA hybridization between our species and their species. And if you look at it that way, it suggests that very much the same exact thing is still happening today.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think the agenda shifts slightly because in the first incursion where the Watch is mated with human women, it wasn't all the fallen angels that got involved with that. It was just, I think it's about 200 watcher class angels decided to mix themselves with human women and gave into that lust, it seems like they had a bit of a nudge from Lucifer, you know, to do it. You know, like, don't they look beautiful, go and do it type of thing. It's only those watchers that did that and created the Nephilim that got bound in chains till the end. There were still fallen angels everywhere who weren't bound in chains, who hadn't legally broken any rules. So they don't have to, you know what I mean? It's, they were very sneaky about it in that respect.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So only these, the angels that were bound in chains at the bottom of the Euphrates, or are these the ones that were in a, in a, kept in a sort of prison? That sounded something to the effect of.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Tartary or Tartarus, Hades or Tartarus? Yeah, these are the ones that come out of the pit in Revelations. This is a Polyon and Abaddon coming out with the, the tail scorpion. Men who have the power to sting, you know, and not kill people in the end times. This is them, this and they, it says they'll be released until the final judgment, you know, just before that time. So they're the, they're the watchers who were, who were locked up. Azazel and Semyasa were the leaders of those watches. So it wasn't Lucifer, you know, or Satan, who was the leader of that particular group who decided to do this, but they're all kind of working together. Once they crossed that line, there was no going back. They knew that, that they knew. So it was all. So yeah, like I said, those angels locked up, gone, but they're still fallen angels messing around. And after what they saw, the punishment was those angels were like, yeah, we're not gonna do that again. You know, like that's, that's not something we want to end up suffering because they had to watch their beloved ones, as they described in Enoch, murder each other, which are the Nephilim. So there's this huge war that happens. It's called the Clash of the Titans in Greek mythology, but it's basically the, the Titans, the giants start killing each other or the over power struggles to dominate the earth. And then they also turn on the gods, the pantheon of gods of Mount Olympus, which are the fallen angels of Mount Hermon. It's the same thing, you know, and they start turning on their own parents, thinking we want to be the only gods on earth. Screw you parents, we're coming for you. You know, and these are angels they're dealing with. So the angels just murdered them. Just Absolutely annihilated them because it's kind of like they're way above any earthly creation. Nephilim or it doesn't matter, you know, you're not going to stand up against these gods as the. As they are. So the parents had to kill their own children and they had to watch their own children kill each other.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, this is an amazing anime like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Attack on Titan.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, it's the inspiration for all. All modern media and cartoon. This is where it all comes from. It's the same story just being retold over and over again with new fiction, fictional names and settings, but it's always the same core story. You know, any. Anyway, you know, these Nephilim, when they were around, they also mated with human women and they created smaller Nephilim. And then those smaller Nephilim which were called the Eliud, also mated with human women and created even lesser Nephilim which were called the Elio. So there wasn't. The Og ones may have killed each other off, but there was still corruption around. There were still these hybrid people everywhere, you know.

[Top Lobster]

So what you're saying, what you're saying is that Nephilim is just whack. Like they just want. They just want to smash humans all day long.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I think they had. I think they had a serious fertility issue, actually. Me, I was talking with Gary Wayne about this when I had him on, and he was explaining how it's not easy for Nephilim to reproduce. It's like they don't really have women like we do. It's because they're not supposed to really exist. They need eggs. So they come to human women to abuse that system in order to propagate and create more. And the book of King, of. King Og of Bashan is another one of these books like the Book of Lamech goes on about King Og, who was a Nephilim who's mentioned in the Bible, you know, and it's his story, and he was warring with Nimrod, it says, or a character called Nimrod, anyway, and he was basically. He had his own religion where he was. There was this prophecy of a. A moon child would come, this, this female who will then help us propagate more of our own kind. She was like the, The. The one to come to save the Nephilim fertility problem. She was the one that was going to help us breed more Nephilim. You know, she was going to solve our issue of our population problem. And then Nimrod kills her. So he's. And the whole book is basically him Just screaming about how much he hates Nimrod for what he's done. Like that's basically.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This is, yeah, actually really interesting because if you do a lion and a tiger, it creates a liger, but a liger can't mate with another liger. It's not. Its offspring are non viable. What's interesting about a liger is that it's significantly larger than both a lion and a tiger. But like I said, non viable offspring. If you mate it with another one. But I do believe you can still take that liger and have it mate with either a female tiger or a female lion and still create an offspring that way. But two ligers cannot mate. They, they're, they're non viable creatures essentially. And so and there is this idea that oftentimes when you cross breed species, one, the, the offspring is going to be non viable and two, it's going to be significantly larger than the original two species. That's, that's something that actually is relatively common in the animal world. So I find that interesting how that sort of almost mirrors the same exact thing when it comes to human beings. And in Nephilim, although I suppose in the being larger that doesn't seem to be the case where they, like you said, there's sort of sub sections of Nephilim as they get smaller throughout lineage and, and have different titles or names.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

But humans though still large than the, the latter half of their DNA, you know, right. That angel blood, the original angels mixing with human women. They're the Og Nephilim, they were the giants. They were like those tall as mountains. These were the ridiculously sized things, you know, that would just. Humans could not sustain them. They ate too much, they destroyed, they devoured the land. You know, there was, there was no. If they, if they stuck around, there wouldn't be anything left.

[Top Lobster]

They would have starved themselves like, like 40ft. Like this.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, these stupid ones, these were like, these are the ones that were wiped out by God. Even before the flood, you know, the Nephilim wars, you know, the, the punishment of the watchers to watch their own children kill each other. These. Then after that we had this problem of I don't know, 18 foot giants, 9 foot 10 foot, 12 foot giants, lesser versions. And then you had this other thing happening where it's called the mixing of kinds. In the book of Jasher, it describes the last like 200, 120 year period just before the flood. Humanity decided we are going to manipulate our own DNA to be like Nephilim. So not birthing new Nephilim but changing your own DNA to become mutant hybrids. So that's where you start getting all these half human, half animal hybrid creatures appearing in this time period. The mermaid, the sirens, you know, the half bird, half women people, centaurs, half horse, half man. All sorts of crazy Chimera stuff started to be created during this weird time period.

[Top Lobster]

Where would you say ancient Atlantis falls in this time period? Because you're describing a time period of like, when we're. Like when I'm thinking about the Bible back in the day, you're thinking of like these guys just walking through with robes and sandals. But possibly we should be thinking about them as having greater technology than ours, like most, maybe like wet technology rather than like this tiny mechanical shit, you know.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh, yeah, they were advanced. There's something weird to be able to do any of this. You've got to be messing with the fabric of reality on a molecular level. You know what I mean? This is crazy stuff we're talking about here. But that's what's described in these ancient texts. That's what they were doing. They're not mincing the words. They're mixing animals together and creating monsters is literally what it says. Okay, so it's kind of something weird was happening. And, you know, Atlantis was around this time period, which I think was probably destroyed during the flood. That's. That's probably when that was wiped out. But there was definitely something weird going on. You know, genetic engineering started to happen because the angels, don't forget, had been locked away who mated with humans. So now they have to corrupt the humanity in a new way. So the way they did it was they got the people themselves to corrupt their own DNA. That's what people started to do. They started to hybridize themselves, giving themselves the wing of an eagle, giving themselves the armor of an insect, for example, just doing stuff to themselves to make themselves more powerful, like gods themselves. Appealing to that ye will be as God's mentality that humanity is just so prideful for and lusting after power, you know, and that's what happened. And it says in the Bible, all flesh was corrupted. It grieved God that even created mankind. Look at the mess they've created. There's nothing left. There's no flesh left. I. I have to save my creation now. So he made an arc and he put nowhere on it with all the animals that were meant to be there, that was left of them. And, you know, he tried to do a hard reset basically to try get things back on track. So that's Biblical.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Very quickly there's this notion that in the end times, it'll be as the days of Noah. And as you're talking about this animal human hybridization, my brain is going towards all these theories that are emerging lately of the idea of a lot of these cryptids having been experiments essentially that have escaped from military facilities. I know one of the strange things that is kind of a cultural thing that's happening right now is that there has been research being conducted on the progenitor of regenerative properties of the axolotl. I believe is how you pronounce it. It's a small newt like creature that has the ability to regenerate limbs. And they're trying to see if they can figure out a way to sort of reverse engineer that DNA and apply it to human beings. And what I find really interesting about that is that recently the axolotl has become sort of a cute little character in a lot of children's entertainment. And my son is now aware of him and he says it all the time. In fact, I'm pretty sure he's listening through the door and he just shouted it through the door. And so. But, you know, there is this permeation of children's culture of this, this little character. And it makes you. If you're conspiracy minded, you already know that there is an endless amount of things that the government has already experimented with. And so if we're downstream and getting Axolotl, you know, reverse engineering DNA to regenerate limbs, well, then the chances are there's already been applied experiments that failed or succeeded. But we are now in a time where that is much more a reality than ever before, maybe since the days of Noah, where we really could be sort of corrupting the flesh of mankind, mixing it with all these various creatures for whatever, you know, experimental purposes you want. And there's even this notion right now that there is these dog men. That's something that Tony Merkel, both Top and I are a fan of a show called the Confessionals, and he handles heavily encrypted. And there is a correlation between people seeing this dogman, this upright walking dog in excess sometimes of like 12ft, with a body very similar to a man and a face that looks like, almost like a German shepherd, but it does have almost a human aspect to it. You were talking before about glowing eyes that emit light, amber or yellow. This is something that you get a lot of when it comes to these things. But one of the most consistent parallels between one story to the next is their appearance on Military bases and almost even this, this impression that they are there to guard these military bases. So that's enough to entertain mildly the idea that there are some places where experiments are going on where they've commissioned essentially hybridized dog men to guard the, the base and you know, against would be hunters or anything who would accidentally stumble upon these places. And so it's just funny because you go to, I believe it's in Revelations where it says, you know, during the end of days, things will be as the days of Noah. And I feel as though there's so many things that you can pluck out of what was going on before the flood. And you can speculate with a great deal of anecdotal evidence at the very least as to how those things are happening right now and how they all plug into this larger conspiracy, this Nephilim, these paranormal cryptid experiences. And so, yeah, it just is something that I was thinking about while you were speaking.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

No, well, I, I think in terms of being as it was in the days of Noah, it truly will be when the public themselves have been sold the technology and are using it openly right now. I do think you're right. I think it's happening in military kind of circumstances, behind the scenes, hidden from us, in labs that are doing secret experiments type of stuff. I think that probably is going on. And they are creating these, these elite guards, let's say. I think I watched a video recently someone posted in the Telegram and I think it's like the G something summit where all the world leaders come together and they're taking photos. Yeah, they're taking photos, shaking each other's hands. And someone points out, look at the guards on either side of them, they're like 13 foot tall. These guards are stood next to them, towering over these midgets, shaking each other's hands. And no one's like pointed it out. They're on camera right there. Clearly huge human beings like in like wearing military gear with like a, you know, have a, have a gun and everything, everything. But they are, they are not normal sized people. So something must be. When you said guarding, that made me laugh because I thought that, yeah, they probably are utilizing genetic engineering to make super soldiers that are the modern day versions of Nephilim. You know, including mixing DNA with animals to gain certain traits from them, longevity, regeneration, for example, you know, impermeated skin, whatever they can do to make humans better human. Plus it all fits into the transhumanist movement as well. The idea of mankind taking control of his own evolution. They're slowly selling it to us in the media, but it's a drip feed for now. And, and these things tend to snowball and very quickly roll out once the. It's in the collective psyche of humanity, you know, and they need to gauge how people would react to seeing such things, you know, so I think they do subtly place them there on the screen every now and then just to see does anyone, did anyone notice what's the general. Yeah, what's the general consensus to people noticing these things? Are they for it? Are people saying, oh cool, I wish I was a super soldier? Or they're saying, what the hell is going on?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We've.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Jesus. What are people saying? You know, like, I think they do these test runs, but when it is public and when people are willingly taking the mark, the change, the genetic corruption to become X Men, to become superheroes by their idols. Yeah, yeah. When people start to openly take these things publicly and the masses are taking it and accepting it, that's the days of Noah. We're there.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Then, you know, I have to shout out once again, project Cheney in the chat. I love this. We bring this up very often on this show and I don't know if I've gotten your thoughts on it when you did the Ravens Watch, but this idea that this is not a conspiracy theory, the WikiLeaks of Hillary Clinton's emails looking for Gilgamesh and the buried bodies of the Nephilim, I mean, that is like the, the highest level of confirmation. And I don't know how you, you know, when you see the email where Hillary Clinton is talking about sacrificing a chicken to Moloch, you could almost, by some incredible feat of mental gymnastics, say that that is a sort of euphemism. And you can, you can, you know, say maybe that means she's paying her donors off or something like that, or whatever the case may be, you really have a hard time finding a euphemism that's going to plug in nicely to like, oh, she wasn't looking for. She didn't mean she was looking for Gilgamesh and the buried Nephilim. How sad.

[Top Lobster]

How sad are our elites? Like, how fucking stupid do you have to be to write this in? Like, what a boomer. You didn't think this would ever be read by anybody else? Like, you're literally saying, like, I'm looking for the two tomb of the Nephilim. And it's like, what are you thinking? And then they rule over us. It's incredible.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I think they know the majority of people just aren't going to take it seriously or even they don't have enough information or knowledge to even acknowledge what that means. When she says she's doing that, they don't know. So they just, rather than trying to figure it out, people just tend to glaze or gloss over that type of stuff and move on to things they can understand that are in their context, the world. This is our world towards it makes sense. As soon as we see something like that, we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, back up, back up, back up. What? You know, but to them it's kind of like, I don't understand what that means. Whatever, let's keep moving on. It was some Middle east stuff, whatever. Something to do with the war. Probably nothing, nothing important. You know, they probably don't even know. Gilgamesh must have been like one of the, one of those tyrannical terrorist rulers of some kind of like Hamas cabalist. I don't know what they go. People don't think like we do about it. They don't understand history, let alone biblical history.

[Top Lobster]

In your opinion? In your opinion, do you think a lot of this nephilim ties into our, our like 20 year war in the Middle east or the Israeli occupation of this land here and what, what's going on? Like, because that's ancient territory, right?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

People would say it does. I mean I, I, the research I do, I'm not even sure that that what we call the Middle Eastern and, and, and you know, Israel, that land even is what was being referenced in the Bible. I think it might be a completely different geographical location and we're living in some, I don't know anymore. And I tend not to speculate too heavily on, on that their internal politics going on there. And that's, I don't want to fall into that paradigm, but there's some mysterious stuff going on in that place anyway. But there's mysterious stuff on, everywhere on Earth if you actually dig deep enough. You know what I mean? It's not just, at least.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So I just have mountains here in America.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, well, one of, one of the first things we did when we invaded Iraq was just like basically pillage their, their museums and their artifacts. Just basically just took, took all that. So like that kind of gets my, you know, the clocks turn in my head. Like what do you do here?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

A lot of information found in those artifacts which are from Sumerian and Mesopotamian culture, which are pertain to stories of beings enslaving mankind and making them create monolithic structures and also they're manipulating the DNA of these humans to make them a more servile class, which is kind of mirroring the Nephilim watchers coming down and manipulating the DNA to create the Nephilim, you know. So I think it would be best for everybody who wants to keep that suppressed and hidden to destroy any artifacts or tablets that would tell that story. And then they disseminate what is available and take control of that. It's called controlled opposition. And they disseminate disinformation from there with a bit of the truth mixed with lies. I think Zachariah Sitchin did a good job of that when he decoded the Sumerian tablets and came up with this huge story about Nibiru, the 13th planet, bringing, you know, going into all sorts of other false narratives. But yeah, it's a sus play. I mean, I just did a video recently about Jordan, the Black Desert in Jordan. This is. I didn't even know this existed until somebody sent me an email about their research into the land and what they're trying to call currently do. And there's this team that's trying to get permission to go to the Black Desert to do research on these strange rock formations that have been made in this thousand mile wide expanse of just black broken up basalt rocks just covering this land. And it makes no sense why they're even there. And then if you go into Syria a bit north, there's this enormous black, flat, melted patch, like a huge hole in the ground which seems to emanate with all this black rock around it. It's kind of. And within these black rocks, for some reason, they've been sculpted into the shapes of embryos from an aerial perspective and literally stage by stage, they've been mapped out next to each other. It's the development of a human embryo. And then at the end, there's a reptilian embryo in the egg. It's kind of, it's exactly as it looks in biology, as we see today under a microscope, but on a huge scale. And each one of these egg rock formations is 40 meters wide. And you don't see it until you look at it from an aerial perspective. And it's kind of like, what the hell was going on in this area? This is insane.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's incredible because we, we always speculate, you know, as to the reasons for various wars. Right. It's like on the surface, you know, to the, to the normies, to the, you know, I don't want to say uninitiated because that sounds like we're in a secret society, but you know what I mean? And it's like from the outside looking in, and I've got like an eye on my shirt and a brick background and I'm gonna get torched for this episode. So, you know, it's like, oh, well, we're in it because we have to save those people. We have to save those people from their tyrannical oppressor. Right? And that's like the baseline. And then after that it's like, well, really it's about money and oil, right? And that's like the second step. And if you're willing to go there, then you're kind of considered a conspiracy theorist already. And then it's like, well, no, this is to set up a permanent occupation in these countries and, and you know, police the, the planet. And that's like a third level that's a little bit more pop, right?

[Top Lobster]

Like that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yes, exactly. We have an opium epidemic and, and we're guarding 90 of the world's poppy fields. But then on top of it, it's the, the, the actual reason is more than likely human history and the subversion of human history and the, the, the maintenance, the, the, the hiding the. Of these ancient sites that even oftentimes the destruction of these ancient sites. I mean, just that email alone looking for Gilgamesh and the buried Nephilim that tells you we're on low level stuff. This isn't necessarily just about money or just about oil or just about permanent occupation. It's certainly not about saving people from their oppressors. But this is also at the highest level about subverting our understanding of who we are and the, and the history of mankind. I mean, this opens up this show with David Ike, and I'm at odds with a lot of what he says. I think he's one of those guys that does nine truths and one very important lie. You know what I mean? And maybe it's because he's misinformed or being misled by these disembodied spirits of the Atlanteans that he communicates with, you know, but he is right in this, this idea that we are being lied to on a mass scale and our history is far stranger than we could even begin to imagine, or at least most people can begin to imagine. So I want to detach from this and get back to sort of the core of why we want to communicate with you today. And one of the things that I think is so interesting about your theory regarding this Nephilim and, and the visage of the Clown is the jester aspect and also the experiences that one has on dimethyltryptamine. These gestures that people claim to see very regularly in their experiences. And I believe we spoke on, on the Ravens watch and you even mentioned how you thought that the jester hat was much less of a hat and much more of a, a structure to their being. But you know, go at that however way. But, but top, you have a. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I, I kind of want to know too actually before I say this, guys, if you're here, go to Nephilim Death Squad, the YouTube channel. It's in the description and subscribe to us because I'm going live on a bunch of different platforms so. But we want you there in that one spot. So like it's, it seems like on one hand they're trying to keep this a secret. The, the ideas of the Nephilim and what we come from, what we are. And then on the other hand, the idea of the visage of a clown, it's like, why tell us this? Why would that have. It's like, it seems like it almost has to be done in some form or fashion. Why is that?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Well, why, why are they revealing themselves to look like clowns in the DMT realm? Is that the question?

[Top Lobster]

No, why, why do we, why do we have clowns? Like, like what's the point of this? Is it, is it just like, what do you think?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Okay, so, so clowns have been around as a concept way before they were co opted and turned into a symbol of the Nephilim. So they haven't always represented Nephilim. Okay. Jesters themselves haven't always been a representation, even though maybe on a, on a subtle spiritual reflecting of the spiritual realm level, they have always been in some way a reflection of the Nephilim. But we need to go into the history of where we get the, the clown from to truly answer this question. So this is a story. This is going to take a bit of time. It's not an easy question just to answer it. This didn't happen just overnight. Quickly. This is a, this is hundreds of years worth of progress to get to this, this thing we call a clown, which is then used as a tool by the occult to channel demons. So that's basically what it's for. The one point to make quickly is they don't want us to know what it means. It's, it's an occult, it's a hidden symbol. It's meant to be meant. The masses aren't supposed to know that it means this. Okay. They're not supposed to know that it's used for this purpose because then it loses its magic, it loses its point. People can point it out and they can't use it anymore. It becomes a null and void tool for them and also exposes their agenda and what they're all about. But let's, let's do the history of the clown first of all.

[Top Lobster]

So they have to tell you, like they have no you in some way.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

No. And I mean, I. I don't feel like I've. They've given me hints to make me find this. I think I've just clocked on to what's going on and I've just told the world what it really is and so be it. You know, I don't think they intended anyone to figure it out, to be honest. I think it's one of those things that's so ridiculous on the surface that they thought no one would ever figure this out. I'll take it seriously or whatever, you know, I do. There is, there is this whole revelation of the method thing. I know what's going on, but I don't think they want people to know what it's really all about. I think there's a revelation of method in the sense that they want more people. Normies will call them dressing like clowns for the purpose of being, opening up more portals and channels for demons. There's that externalization stuff going on. But they didn't want people to know that that's what they were doing.

[Top Lobster]

It was funny before I met Corbo. We're making it happen. Corbo before I met him. I was on this after I came back from Jamaica. Like I tell my wife all the time, like whenever we see something retarded happening or someone dressed crazy, I'd just be like, it's clown. And then Corbo, like kind of coined the Nephilim and I'm like, you know what? Clown and Nephilim is the same thing. Then I heard you on his show and I was like, yeah, it's the same. It's literally the same thing. We're talking about like two phenomena from like a. Just a different point of view, but it's clown. Nephilim, very tied in together.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

And oh yeah, I do believe that there is a certain attitude to the Nephilim which you could call clownish, jokerish, gesterish. Irreverence is the word, you know, anti human to the point of humor and crudeness. There is, there is a level of comedy to the way the nephilim Behave even for example, there's this one story which I thought was fascinating. It comes from, from the Americas in the city car with a tribe that had to deal with this, I think and no, the. Is it the. It's a city car, I think it is. Or the Piutes, they had to basically they had these cannibalistic like giants with pale skin and red hair and they basically fought against them and killed them in, in a cave. But it was in a similar region. There was this people called the Duamish people who were dealing with a similar tribe and they weren't so lucky. They didn't win this war against the Nephilim. It was something quite different. And they were talking about these red haired, tall, pale skinned giants that were basically just coming along every now and then to the tribes. These normal people just across the river and playing with them, messing with them, doing tricks on them, just, just teasing the humans because it's like, what are they gonna do? Like bullies, you know what I mean? It's like they would play really horrible cruel practical jokes on them. Like take something really important and just put it on a really high tree where they can't reach it anymore. They would just do silly things to the humans. Like jesters would, you know, and they would, they would steal the people's clothing off the line because they thought it was funny or. But it was also, it also crossed the border of sadistic. They would, they would tell jokes which would make the tribesman just blush. Really rude, horrible jokes, you know, about sex.

[Top Lobster]

Go on, tower gang.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, really large jokes. Yeah. And this is what this, this, no this well established Dwamish tribe in, in the Americas ancient tribe was tell, still has this story, this oral tradition story of telling the story. And what these giants were doing, as they always like to do, is they were stealing women for the purpose probably of genetically keeping the lineage going and impregnating them. And so. But some women return, some didn't. A lot of them didn't, you know, and the tribes, the braves, the leader and the men decided we're not taking this anymore. We're sick of. We're sick of the. That he's Nephilim are giving us. We're just sick of it, you know what I mean? And they stood up to them verbally. They said, you need you. You have to stop doing this. You have to leave us alone. Right? This isn't fair. It's wrong. What you're doing is wrong. And in reaction to this tiny human daring to speak up to the mighty giants who are far more superior than them, they just decimated the humans. They ripped the heads off all the braves, threw them in the air and let them just fall to the ground and splatter everywhere and die. Just wiped them out utterly, just destroyed them. And the tribe never recovered from that experience.

[Top Lobster]

Man, it really makes you. Makes you think about, like, I mean, I. I believe that some passages. Passages in the Bible where God was like, yo, go over here and don't leave even a goat alive. Kill their men, their woman, their children. I believe that maybe he was sending them to war against some of these giants. And it's kind of like, what were these men like? Because what you just described is probably very common, where even Timothy Albarino thinks that the idea of human sacrifice goes all the way back to the Nephilim, where we're just like, here, take this person.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Eat them.

[Top Lobster]

Like, we can't even feed. We have enough shit to feed you. Just, you know, that kind of stuff. So it's like, what kind of ferocious warriors were we even thinking about? When you're talking about these ancient Israelites that, you know, were actually the real.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Israelites, it's funny that you should say that too, because that trope is you'll find that in all kinds of horror films and things of that nature where it's like, they have to. The village has to sacrifice, you know, some member to this giant, you know, monster that's going to eat them essentially, in order to appease it and keep it at bay for a long time. And then sometimes it's like, cool, if they have some powers, they'll make it rain or some shit, and you'll have a good harvest, you know. But that trope of, like, even the trope of the giant coming and stealing the woman away has been recycled and revamped and thrown into Hollywood over and over again. A lot of these things, these cultural entertainment mechanisms, they always have some, like, really horrific root. And it often goes back to a biblical story. Right? Because that's really all we're doing. I think, Paul, you just alluded to that a moment ago, where it's like, we're just us recycling these stories and telling them over and over again. And the reason they're so potent and they work so well is because they speak to us on a very deep level. You know, like something in us that remembers what exactly? When they ripped our heads off and threw us, you know, 400ft into the air and let our bodies bounce off the. The ground and then stole our women.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Think what could you do how. What would, what would you actually do if, If a giant came up to you? I mean, what. Think about the concept of that. I've wrote about my book. I made a paid a. A paragraph where I describe some guy just walking through the forest, walking his dog, suddenly coming across one of these giants and it eats his dog. Okay. It's kind of. What do you do? You run what, like 10 steps to you is like a little, a little skip to him? It's nothing. You know what I mean? Do you fight? You're gonna die, you're not gonna win. You get down on your knees and you pray and beg that this thing understands mercy. That's all you can do if you buy.

[Top Lobster]

Sounds like it sounds like me walking through the ghetto is what, what you're describing? I guess I'm just a strap, but that's something different.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, well, that's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What does it say, though? It goes, okay, go back to your village and come back to this spot once a year, once a month, whatever the case is, and bring me an infant. And I'm gonna eat the infant and I'll. And I'll. And I won't come and do what I just did to your dog, to you and all your homies.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, well, the world, they usually come back and ask for more.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

If you give a mouse a cookie. Has anybody ever read if you give.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Him.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

He'Ll ask for your wife?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

They didn't gotta write that book. From my history, my research, they. They literally became the kings and rulers of this time. They. They usurped every position of leadership in every human tribe, and they became the kings and the ones that were venerated and the ones that the people had to worship and work for and bring everything to, including the food and the newborns and all sorts of things. And the women, you know, they, they took over everywhere. And I believe they were working on behalf of their parents, the angels, who they also worked for. And they also created their own religious institutions, which are human beings who sold out their own race basically and became these secret serpent cult worship societies and helped the giants and worked with the giants to keep the people in line, creating false religions. So the people would see these giants as gods or the sun as gods or the pantheon of angels as gods, whatever it was. As long as it wasn't God, the.

[Top Lobster]

Creator, as long as North Korea isn't like, yeah, if, you know, Kim Jong Un was, was actually a giant, like this could be, this would be very feasible. Do you think that there was some giants were better than others. Like, were there any, like, places that were, like, better to live under what, like, I could only imagine if this is global, you know, you'd have some really retarded ones where, like, was just backwards all the time and it didn't matter. And then some where there was like.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Okay, I think there was variation among it all. Yeah, Nothing's a monolith, you know, and like I said, by the variation of the religions that still exist today, these ancient folk traditions that have been passed down since this time, you can see the variation, but the core elements are always the same. You know, it's always psychedelic colored clothing to channel the ancestor spirits. And their own reasoning for doing it varies vastly. Sometimes they're doing it in order to appease them, to. To give them offerings to keep them away, you know, sometimes they're doing it because they want power from them. It really varies from tribe to tribe. I think some of them were more in, you know, I don't know if these spirits are attached to a specific locale or something like that from their ancient past and. And each tribe is channeling a different type of Nephilim who once ruled that region. Therefore, each spirit demands a different thing from their subjects, of their people. Perhaps. I don't know, you know, but it seems like there would have been variation, I think, but no, you wouldn't have been. You wouldn't want to been around for any of them.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

You would not.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

You know, it just. None of them were good in any stretch.

[Top Lobster]

Imagining the, like the mock election, it was like, you can get Nephilim Donald Trump or Nephilim Joe Biden. You're like.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

The word Nephilim itself, it has its roots in two words, which is nefal and nephil. And the fall means to fall or product of the fallen and fallen or corruption and corrupted in some way. And the feel. What's it mean again? It's. I thought she just had it on the tip of my tongue. What. What are we talking about?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

The Nephilim are. Catch me up, guys. I'm trying to.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Giant. Giant Donald Trump. Giant.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Sorry. It needs tyrannical ruler. That's what it means. So they are tyrannical giant rulers of the fallen ones. So.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Okay.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

They are people always. I get this argument a lot. Recently since one of my videos went viral, it's now like110,000 views and I basically, it's just one of my random episodes of the Neph. Them look like clowns. It's like the 40 seconds second episode or something. So There's a lot, there's like a lot of, a lot of context that people do not understand when I'm saying some stuff like the nephilim are demons, for example, and they don't understand. I've realized there's a huge swath of Christians out there and even just people who believe that the nephilim are fallen angels. And yeah, there is no evidence for that, not even in the Bible.

[Top Lobster]

You know, I had over, had over my, my wife's uncle that you met and he was over for Thanksgiving as well. And I've had my, my aunt who's a pentecostal preacher for 40 years. I mean, knows the Bible front and back. And I was like, what do you know about Genesis 6? And both of them are like very little. I was like, they just read other. I'm like, that's very, that's like real important. And I was like, I thought I was going to get some like, good scoop or maybe some information. Nothing at all. It's just like they're not interested in this part.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

No.

[Top Lobster]

And I get it.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

But it's, you know, that's the problem. I've learned, I've realized. I mean, I guess I don't come from a church. I wasn't raised in this realm. I don't speak Christianese. You know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm a non denominational, this is my church talking to people about these things online. This is what, that's where I get my communion. That's where I get my, you know, fellowship, shall we say. So I don't have any of these weird indoctrinated thought processes on where things come from, what biblical concepts are. I suppose. So when I, when I was talking about the nephilim being the products of fallen angels mixing with human women, people have been lambasting me, saying, you're wrong. That's, that's incorrect. The foot, you know, the fallen angels are the nephilim. And it's like, well, that's not canon. That's not in anywhere. That's not in the Bible. It doesn't say that. That's, that's the case. And they make the case for it because it says Nephilim means to fall and the angels fell from heaven, therefore fallen angels. And it's good. That's all they have. That's all they have to make that connection. And I've just explained to you. Well, nephilim comes from two root words, Hebrew words, Nephilim, the fall, which means giant tyrant and fall. So they Are. That doesn't mean they are angels. Like, I don't know. Where'd you get that from?

[Top Lobster]

Argue to argue. That point is so stupid because that would just mean that you've glossed across it. Because when I first did read it, it seemed like that to me. And it, you know, it's just that first glance, you're like, okay, yeah, kind of makes sense here. But as you really look into it, like, it makes a lot more sense that these were their children, you know, and then, and then you get the next generation, which are the. The Rafaim, right? And Elohim or whatever it is. So it's like, yeah, this, there's a lot more to this.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Rephaim are also Nephilim. It's just another word for me. It's actually a particular sex group name for the Nephilim. It's a different language's word for it.

[Top Lobster]

Not a different type of Nephilim, but like, just.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It's a continuation of the pre flood Nephilim because Raphael, it means something like to heal or the healed ones, or the undead ones, or the ones that rose from the dead and can heal really quick. So it implies that it's pre flood Nephilim that have somehow resurrected and become back the world physically somehow. That's what it's implying by the ones that have healed that were once dead. Basically the dead ones.

[Top Lobster]

Have you ever seen Tony Merkel? I'm sorry to interrupt you. I feel like this would blow your mind. Tony Merkel on Tinfoil Hat. I forget which episode it was. At the second half of the episode, he's talking about somebody that he interviewed and he has not released this interview. But this guy, apparently he interviewed the guy that was a witness. And the guy that he's talking about can. He made a pact with an interdimensional being. And he's like constantly going into this realm and that. And the interdimensional being can also come into this realm. Kind of changes this guy's shape. Like, he'll grow and he'll. His physical features will change. It's like it's pole, but not quite pole, that kind of thing. And in, in the story, he just, he tells it really quickly, but the guy describes like another world, interdimensional world that lays right on ours or underneath ours, however or however it is. And there's like just an eternal battle going on there. And people are doing things. They're working for entities, they're working for this one, that one. But they have missions and it ties in really nicely. In my head, with a lot of the stuff you're, you know, you're going on about with, with the Nephilim and what we think of it today.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It's interesting because this is, this is very complex spiritual realm you're talking about here. It's not just, it's not just easily explained by this one realm. Then there's hours, it turns out now, because it seems like there was a lot of Nephilim of the time. And Gary Wayne was talking about this. They all had this, this afterlife they were hoping to get to physically in physical form. And it's not afterlife for us. It's the Nephilim religion, afterlife. It's this place they want to get to where they will be safe. And it, Gary Wayne was explaining to me, it's like if you beheaded from what? Humans, God's judgment, basically. So this is the thing. So there was this edict to wipe out all the Nephilim, not only by the flood, but also, like you said, the people of Israel just warring against them and decimating them. Absolutely. Annihilating these giants, these mighty men of renown, these gibberim. Well, they were also mighty. Humans were also called Gibborim. That's what Gibbereen means. It's. It's a mighty warrior. And the Nephilim were also Gibborim, but they were Nephilim. So not every Gibberim is a Nephilim, but every Nephilim is a gibberim. But the human gibberims, the mighty warriors of Israel, were just decimating these Nephilim. So a lot of these Nephilim were like, God's coming for us. We're not winning against the humans anymore. He's on their side. We need to get away from this before we're doomed to become demon spirits trapped behind the veil in the astral realm. So if they, if they die physically, they're stuck here. That's what demons are today, the discipline, purgatory.

[Top Lobster]

That's what purgatory really is.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It's the astral realm, but it's actually the Earth, the astral realm. I describe it as the pipe work behind the walls of this reality. It's still this reality, but it's the thing that keeps it running. It's the code of this projection. It's the, it's, it's the behind the scenes meshing stuff that we don't need to see to know it's making this happen. It's like the plumbing of our reality. You know, it's the behind the scenes.

[Top Lobster]

Working plumbing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

On the ravens. Watch. He described it, I thought really elegantly as this sort of like if you have an ornate rug and there's all this beautiful tapestry on the top of it, right. And all these different designs and colors and everything. But if you lift up that rug, it's just cross stitching underneath and it's absolute. It's fundamental to the rug and it's. It's part of the entire structure. But it's just. It's not beautiful.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's like the plumbing or like the cross stitching. Our realm. Yeah.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

The analogy is called the warp and the wolf. So you have the warp which we're meant to see, which we experience and love, which is beautifully designed and in order. And then underneath the. The wolf. It's actually where all the. The, you know, when they do the sewing, they move the randomly go to the other end of the rug. It's a big line made. It's a mess, you know, but it makes the beautiful image on. That's where they are. They're in the woof. They're stuck in this. They haven't gotten. Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Embroidery.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

The body anymore. To inhabit where we are. Where we are is the prize. That's where they want to be. They want to have a body and they want to be here with us because we have senses. We can experience things. We can taste, we can smell, we can see, we can touch, we can have pleasure and fear.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

We can.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

We can experience stuff in an embodied form. They can't. They hunger and thirst, but have no mouth to feed or to quench those hungry. They have no stomach to quench these things. They are desperate to be back. Here they are in hell by any stretch of the death of the definition. And when the Nephilim were alive, they knew that's what would happen to them if they died. They knew their fate, you know, so they. It seems like what happened and Gary Wayne explains this is they were trying to get to places like Valhalla, and it seems like it's like a pocket dimension they can get to in a physical form before they die so they can stay in this place. And it seems like the fallen angels made these pocket dimensions for the Nephilim to reside in safely. So when the flood came, they didn't die. And that seems to be how they came back after the flood. They just opened the portal and came back into our world physically again.

[Top Lobster]

You know what that makes me think of this, like pocket dimension. Have you ever heard of the Boneyard, Alaska? This dude, he was On Joe Rogan? No, no, he owns, he, he owns a gold mine in Alaska and on five square acres of it, very, I mean, not large at all, he's uncovered, I don't even know, hundreds of thousands of mammoth tusks, but also mammoth bones and other things that he won't talk about. And then the question is like, well, why the. Are all these giant bones dying on top of each other? They're like just, you know, they're spraying the perma for us and the deeper they go, the more bones, bones that they find, like all on top of each other. It's like, could that be a pocket dimension that like, you know, Nephilim might want to go there to die? And, and I know, I know these lying about the dinosaur bones, you know, that was probably giant bones. And then they present this to us however we want. But who. I don't know that. That's something I think about often too.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Mysteries. Every, I mean, Bigfoot, for example, people describe this weird, tall, hairy creature just manifesting out of nowhere from through a tree portal of some kind and then suddenly going as quickly as he comes back again. Could these be the Leo, the Leo, the, the smaller Nephilim and even some of the main Nephilim who'd made it to that dimension before they were wiped out. And it says in Gary Wayne was saying, because they could heal really fast, it wasn't enough just to stab a Nephilim or cut them, you had to remove the head. And that's why you always have this symbolic image of them holding up the monster's head, Medusa's head, for example, or the head of, of Goliath was lifted up. You always take the head off to make sure they cannot come back, they cannot revive, the body is done for, and then they become demon spirits, obviously. So that's kind of the fate that we're trying to avoid when they went to these pocket dimensions as described by Gary Wayne's research. And it makes, it makes a lot of sense as to how they got back, because if they managed to save, preserve the physical form, there are. Mortal beings don't feel they can live forever. Like they have that from the parents they. DNA. So they just live forever in this pocket dimension. You know, they try to.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This is looking for the. That's why she's looking for the body of Gilgamesh and the, and the fallen Nephilim. If the body's still here, then it's still viable.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And so if they can, you know, essentially reincarnate, come into this realm re. Inhabit that body, then it would just regenerate and it would. It would go through a healing process. And the next thing you know, we'd have nephilim running around the street again.

[Top Lobster]

Or they'd want to. They want to figure out how they did it. You know, like the fountain of youth sort of thing. That's like, like, like what you were talking about in the beginning of the show here, where the axolotl. Yeah, well, yeah, the axolotl, but like the. The idea of, you know, mixing yourself and becoming human, plus, you know, that. That could also be that.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, I think if you can just preserve the DNA of some of these. So that's why mummification was a thing, I think, to try and preserve the DNA so in a future generation can take it back, recreate a body through cloning or whatever you want to do, so then the spirit can come back and inhabit it again. I think that was the. The forward planning process of all of these. Because I forget, like I said, all the ancient kings were Nephilim and all the pharaohs were obsessed with preserving their body for eternity for as long as they possibly could in the hopes of being revived one day. That was the whole point of it, wasn't it? And this is where it all really, truly comes from. You know, preserve the DNA. Because we know, we've been told by our gods that don't worry in the future, we're going to bring you back. We just need you to do this thing for us so we can, you know, where we have the technology again, we can do it again as it was in the days of Noah sort of stuff. You know, it's. That's the point. It's kind of. This is a long agenda. It's a long con. They're patient, you know, and. And I do think. I do think the Nephilim look like clowns. I think that's a big part. I do. I really do. And as ridiculous that sounds, it's. It's scary because I've recently just made a video. Well, I'm working on the video now. I've wrote the script. And just in the past decade, the past 10 years, I have mapped out the history of clowns in our modern culture. It's everywhere right now. They are forcing it on us in the media. It's ridiculous how much clowns are everywhere and being ingrained into the psyche of just the collective masses.

[Top Lobster]

There's a style. There's a style of clothing called like clown core or something.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It's. That's in the list. Yeah. I mean, just at the start of this year, the runways. It's funny, actually, this is the thing. In 2019, the fashion runways did a clown thing. They did clown inspired clothing and it had a bad reception. Then people were like, what is this? This is ridiculous. Like, even by like our standards in the fashion industry, which is ridiculous. Anyway, this is too far. This is just silly. That was in 2019, in four years later, in 2023, just at the start of this year, they did it again and they went even harder into the clown aesthetic. And you just seen these Runway models walking up and down, literally dressed like clowns, like wearing harlequin clothing and all sorts of stupid, ridiculous things with red noses and all sorts of stuff. And this year it's been appraised as a wonderful thing. And it goes up and now you have like the. The idols dressing up like clowns as well. Like, Harry Styles was seen wearing a harlequin inspired jumpsuit at the recent thing. They're trying to like, sell it to the people as a legitimate fashion choice. Dress like a clown. It's cool. It's in, it's fashionable. It's, you know, it's, it's. It's avant garde, it's edgy. It's what everyone's doing right now. It's the in thing to do. 2023 is the year of the clown. It's in season and been happening, you know, and it's like, I believe from my research, once you piece it all together, that that's actually an extremely sinister move. They are trying to get the people to dress like Nephilim for the sole purpose of becoming more viable channels for the disembodied spirits now in the spirit realm.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's exactly what I was about to ask you. That's exactly what I was gonna ask you.

[Top Lobster]

I feel like. I thought. I feel like there has to be some kind of intentionality to what you're doing. But I suppose just the. The gesture at it could also create some sort of power. It's a lesser power than true intentionality.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

But I don't think ignorance to the law makes you immune to the law. I think it. I think, yeah, that's like.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Does a. Does a symbol have power even if you don't understand its. Its meaning? You know what I mean? Like, even if you're wielding the symbol, but you have no intention behind it, does the symbol alone have power? Now, I would argue that, yeah, probably.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Maybe to a lesser extent, but I think you find, you know, people who dress Like a clown and embody the clown character for a while, go a little bit insane and end up losing themselves, even if they don't exactly, you know, but that's John Wayne Gacy. That's the cautionary tale, you know. Yeah, and exactly. John Wayne Gacy, you know, killed a lot of young men, was consistently dressing like a clown and believed he was a God. You know, it's kind of. I think doing this has a psychological effect on you because you are channeling demons. And this is the point. The demon doesn't want you to know that that's what's happening. So you will think it's organically your own decision making happening. You'll never equate it to having clown iconography around you all the time or putting on a costume of a clown. You'll never think that that's what's causing all these problems in your life. And for everything to just spiral further and further down into depression. For you to start developing strange lusts and desires and all this because that's. They don't want you knowing that that's what's happening. It's an occult hidden symbol. But if, if we take that away from them, if we make people realize that dressing like this is just opening up portals in a very literal sense, making you the vessel for their spirit, I think we have a chance of maybe slowing down the clown world we currently live in. That is absolutely insane, you know, and, and just spiraling into further and further into depravity and just. Just weirdness, you know, I think. And this is why the pushing of the clown in the media is such a big thing right now. I think, I think they didn't expect people to clock onto it like we have, but I think they're doing on purpose because they want people to think clowns are cool, to then embody in their own style, more clown like aesthetics. Because it open. It does. That's what it does. It opens up channels. If we can reflect how they look in the spirit realm, we become a mirror for them. And that opens up a portal. It's a black mirror in a sense, you know, that's the point. And the more. Because the spirit, the astral realm in this realm are the same place, are more linked. If we can perfectly mirror the way they look in the physical realm, then that kind of. That touches those two barriers together and they can come through. That's kind of how the. This works. And I said, yeah, I'm not just making this up. This is what ancient practices still do today. And have done for thousands of years in these ancestor spirit world worship cultures. They dress like the thing to channel it. It's not a secret. It's just. We're stupid. We're ignorant. We don't know that that's what these things are used for. We. We don't know that. So. But that's what.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

That's why mirrors are so heavily used in the occult. Right. There's. There's something about the mirror and. And as it applies to being able to contact this other dimension or this other realm. So I'm experiencing right now in my own life. We. We talked about it earlier. Right. Top used to go forward with this whole, like, clown shit. If you see something that was, like, corrosive to society or just poisonous, venomous, especially if it was high. Yeah, it's clown shit. Right. And we've pivoted now, and it was greatly due to your influence where now I'm tossing out this idea of, like, nephilim shit. So if you have, you know, Drag Queen story hour, that's.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Owen Benjamin. To subconsciously say it, like, we're. We're putting it out there. This has to be.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah, it's. It's permeating the culture now, and people are saying it organically. And if you type it up on Twitter, you'll see its use without any reference to me or Top anymore. People are just running with it, and I've had pushback. Well, why is everything Nephilim? And, like, just talking to you during this episode, it's very clear to me why everything is nephilim. Because all the highest levels of corruption are the same goddamn game that's been being played on us since. Since our inception, you know, in this realm. And so it's just really funny because I'm finding, like, I'll get pushback and I'll have a perfectly good explanation, you know, because of guys like you and your research and the dots that I've connected outside of that.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

And.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

And it resonates with people. And I think the only reason it resonates with people is because you can. You find it to be true. It's like, you know, so much of this, especially on a cultural level of corruption and the degradation of our culture or our society can all be traced back to, like, some ancient biblical practice, you know, something that the Canaanites were doing or, you know, the list goes on. And I mean, they're literally communing with the same entities. You know, this whole episode, Epstein's island and all this is about Moloch is about child sacrifice. Like, it's all still happening. It's all still Nephilim. And once you start to see how things like Epstein's island, how Hillary Clinton and the Hunt for Gilgamesh, when all that starts to bleed over into world politics. And then, of course, we had another guy on the show, Donnie Darkin, who does this really excellent breakdown of. It's very compelling. I don't know if I buy it, but it certainly is something that everybody should pause and look at and think very critically about is this idea of Donald Trump being the Antichrist. And he goes into this unbelievable set of coincidences that are incredibly occult in nature surrounding the character of Donald Trump and bleeding over into Hollywood and Hollywood's predictive programming about him becoming the president, and all these instances you can find in all these movies, all of this shit is connected. So all of this, whether it's high level political corruption, whether it's conspiracy theories, whether it's, you know, cryptids and paranormal entities or, you know, spirits from another realm, more than likely being the disembodied spirits of the nephilim, kind of shaking their fist at us and trying to get us to believe that we suck, whispering to us, you know, you suck and you should fucking kill yourself. I get it now. I understand why after talking to you, it's like, yeah, because they go to the underground side of the rug and it sucks down there, and they hate us for it, you know, but there's so much connectivity, and all of it stems from, like, the Fallen and the Nephilim. And any pushback that I get has actually been really easy to. To sort of gracefully explain to people, and then, boom, it permeates the culture, and people are off running with the. With the expression nephilim shit. So I think that the reason it's taking off and the reason that it is, it's becoming a little bit of a cultural phenomenon on Twitter. And it's because it's. It's true. Do you. Do you think that. Are you of the same sentiment, it seems as though you are, that all these things can be traced back? I mean, it's very hard to find a thing that's happening on a large scale that can't be traced back?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Well, yeah, and there's nothing new under the sun, primarily, like you said, it does seem to lean towards child sacrifice, torture. It always seems to come back to the children. I mean, what is a clown but a thing designed for children? Children as well, you know, And I think a lot of it as well, is to do with looshing energy. Fear and. Or laughter will do whatever that is, as long as they can get that from you through either comedy or fear. And I do believe this is a. Is a food source for them in their disembodied state. And they feed off energy because they don't have mouths to feed off physical things like we do, like food, you know. And I do think that's why the clown is such a perfect symbol as well. I think that's why the Shriners dress like clowns and go to children. Children's hospitals where they're dying. I think they're trying to feed the beast. They're channeling. Because what will a clown do to a child? But either elicits extreme fear or laughter is one of the two. Either way, the energies.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Isn't that the plot of Monsters, Inc.

[Top Lobster]

Yes, it's a plot of doctor Sleep and. Yeah. I mean, Stephen King doctor Sleep is one that was.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Wow.

[Top Lobster]

That is tied into this. I'm sure. I'm sure your clown theory, like, he's like. Yeah, figured that in like 88. You know.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

About it.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

He knew. He knew that. He knew what was going on. Absolutely. I mean, Pennywise the Clown is only a visage in which a reptilian spider monster takes in order to elicit fear in people. So we can feed off the energy. That's the point.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Possibly. Wide smile, several rows of teeth, eats children.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh, yeah, it's a Netflix.

[Top Lobster]

The three orbs that come out of him after he's defeated. If you. At the end of the book, if you read it, there's another book, I think, Tommy Knockers, but Three Orbs is. Is mentioned and they call themselves Legion. So it's like another biblical callback to this. Like, demons. And so are all Nephilim demons or old demons Nephilim?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I. I think yes and no. So. So there's. First of all, I want to quell this stupid idea that's out there that. That demons are fallen angels. They're not an angel. Is an angel fallen or not? They don't turn into demons. You need to get that into people's heads. I think that fallacy is a cause of a lot of misunderstanding and problems and an ignorance to this topic of what demons truly are. Jesus wasn't going around casting angels out of people. He was casting unclean spirits out of people, demons out of people. And they have a very specific reason why they're there. They are the Nephilim that died physically, basically, and became disembodied spirits, which are stuck on earth because their spirits are not compatible with leaving this realm. Angels can go wherever they want. Angels are way beyond that. Like they're not stuck anywhere. That's just stupid to think that they would be. They're not trapped behind some weird veil and need to possess people. They're angels for God's sake. Like they are. They, they sung next to God. You know, these are well beyond our realm. So people need to understand angels are not the demons, but a lot of these creatures we call demons, they are predominantly the disembodied spirits of Nephilim. However, working theory that also a lot of these lower demons, the lower ones, because there are hierarchies of the demonic realm, are actually humans who Nephilimified themselves just before the flood who corrupted their physical form. And I, I believe the body and the spirit and the soul are not disconnected from each other in some weird way. I think if you corrupt the body, you are corrupting the spirit, you are corrupting the soul. You are making yourself incompatible with heaven, you know, with, with heavenly realms, with God himself. So when people did this to themselves, they became demons in death. They couldn't leave the earth anymore. They, they took away the, the God given right and ability to, to be able to then be interacting with what God intended us to be. To sleep in Hades till the final judgment. Judgment where then there would be the white throne judgment at the end of time. These people aren't elicited that, that honor anymore. They have to live eternally in this weird hellscape until the end instead, you know, so they're also trapped in this weird place with the Nephilim. I think the Nephilim spirits are higher up in the hierarchy. I think they command the human spirits below them that became these demonic creatures as well, the hybridized human creatures. So I think that's what demons are. There's two classes, Nephilim and faux Nephilim, you know, the false ones that try to be like the Nephilim. That's my working theory. But if you want to just forget that extra bit about the humans, they are just Nephilim spirits. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Well, it also makes you wonder what about these hybrid creatures that were created, right, These, these half human, half animal creatures, what happens to them when they. So it's probably a very similar thing. And those would probably, if you had to consider, consider what happens to their, their energy, their spirits when they die, then yeah, it's. They're stuck somewhere and they would, it would make sense for them to be lesser than the actual Nephilim, the actual offspring of the fallen angels.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, because they don't, they don't have that half angel thing going on like the Nephilim did. But at the same time they're all just corrupt, fallen, horrible beings in, in this weird astral realm now. They're all just demons as far as I'm concerned. And they are defeated enemies. Enemy. We can, we can literally have authority and cast them out in Jesus's name. We've been given that, that God given gift by Jesus when he came and died for our sins, you know, and rose again along with the keys to Hades. It's done. They are defeated. They are. That's the thing. They are. They don't have any power unless we give it to them and not remain ignorant to our own power to use against them through the authority gifted to us through Jesus.

[Top Lobster]

You know, so this shows you how far, how far our society is fallen. Because just by like, you know, I mean, people say this all the time. Like they'll like people that aren't even Christians, atheists, they'll, you know, call upon the name of Jesus and these things have to flee. And they're so prevalent in our society today. Like that's everything is Nephilim. Every, every time I open my eyes I'm like, man, you can see the mark of demons, for lack of better word, Nephilim in everything we do. Because we haven't like our society, the church is fallen. We have not even considered, considered this. We've lost this knowledge. We've stopped even trying. And all we have to do to kind of turn this thing around is like, hey, like, you know, listen to this podcast. Like, please like turn it around. It's not that hard. You're not dealing. We're not fighting with angels. Like it seems like the real bad angels are the ones that are gonna, that are locked up for the final time, that will, will be released at the very end. The other ones, the 33, 33%, the first fallen, seem like they're kind of like roaming around, trying not to start too much because they were, they already know that they're in deep. You know, it's like we're just dealing with their kids and where we can't. Like this, this is like how humanity has fallen.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

We suck.

[Top Lobster]

All we got to do is like, all we have to do is look towards God and this kind of stops.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

But you know, don't forget Satan is still around. Lucifer is still around. There is still, there's still agenda. Like, like you said, we, we won We've already won. People have just forgotten that. That's the thing we need to remember. That's why there is such a quelling of, of the information regarding this, which is why it's so suppressed, why there's so much disinformation surrounding, well, who are the demons exactly? What are the angels and what's the agenda? What's the plan? That's what the whole conspiracy really is about. It's about learning the agenda that's been put against us by these spiritual entities. You know, Ephesians 6:12 makes it clear we don't wrestle against flesh and blood. Blood. That's not where our real battle lies. It's against, you know, spiritual wickedness in high places, principalities, powers, you know, these strange creatures that have a weird hierarchy through all dimensions, up and down, you know, and we're kind of in the middle of it and we're being swayed and moved around like chess pieces on a board. That's basically what the symbol of that whole thing is about. I mean, let's get back to something more relatable for maybe some of our listeners. When you take DMT for example, I think you're simply just opening up your perceptions to be able to see that woof we were talking about earlier. It's right here on Earth. You haven't gone anywhere special. You've not gone to some mystical realm that's better than where we are currently. But the creatures that come to talk to you, well they look like jesters and, or clowns of some kind because that's the, the physical features they had when they were in physical form. Now an even more psychedelic disembodied read way. So they, they lean more towards psychedelic fractal jester than white skinned red haired clown when they were alive on Earth. Do you get what I mean? So that's kind of the distinction there. But they always have the same message. They lie to you and tell you you are a God and do anything they can to lead you away from understanding that there is a God and Jesus is real. So it's always. And they'll tell you anything. They all have a different story. That's how you know they're liars. They all say a different thing. There's no consistency behind their message. Oh, we're, we're Palladians from another diamond, from another star system. Or were interdimensional higher ascended masters or something like that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Or were humans from the spirits of the Atlanteans?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah. Or were humans from the future who have reached an enlightened state. So, you know, now live in this place where there's no time or something like that. They all have a different story, but the message is always the same. You are a God, which is the same lie that was told by the serpent in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve. Take. Take this knowledge and you will be like gods. You know, you know, your eyes will be opened or something.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

It's never funny.

[Top Lobster]

It's funny to see our society so obsessed with, like, space and outer space. I don't think that we can go to outer space. I think this ship might actually be flat, but that's neither here nor there. It's just funny to see how, like, we're constantly looking up. We're shooting shit at the firmament. It's blowing up. And meanwhile, like, the. The real fantastic world is right here, right where we are far, but we're looking at probably nothing going on out there. Who knows what the. Who cares? The real issue is here, and we haven't even begun to scratch the surface. Like, we need Elon Musk building rockets to go into the other dimension or shutting down some wormholes or something like that. Instead, we're doing the complete opposite and looking up like a bunch of.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh, yeah, it's all happening here right now. We are. We're in the midst of it all. I'd say it's exciting times to be alive, but at the same time, it's terrifying as hell. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna lie. When you really put it into perspective, like, yeah, we're in the. We're in. We're in deep right now. We're in the midst of it all. And it's. It's happening now. I mean, just. Just to, you know, summarize this whole clown concept. Maybe some people haven't heard the theory before. We went into it, into a lot of detail with. On your Ravens podcast, didn't we, really? The details about why the Nephilim look like clowns. But just to summarize that quickly, so people don't understand why I'm saying this. So the common descriptor of most Nephilim creatures is white skin and red hair. Wherever you go in history, on every. Every part of the continent, that is the most common way they are described. That's the base of a clown. Straight away, white skin, face paint, big red, fluffy wig of some kind. So that's. That's the base alone. Those two things are similar. Then you have to go into the details of a clown's makeup. Makeup for example, they always have a big wide grin of some kind with big red lips perhaps. And that's, that's a reptilian feature they inherited from the Seraphim angel parents, the fiery flying serpents who mixed with human women. Serpents have very wide mouths. They can dislocate their jaws to eat their prey, for example. And the Nephilim also inherited a very wide more so when they opened their mouth and closed it, they had this line mark going around the sides because it was a wide jaw. That's why clowns accentuate that feature and make it as large as they can. The red around the mouth could symbolize that they were cannibalistic in nature. It was. It's blood, it's feeding on things, it's being covered in blood as they eat humans for example. But it could also literally be. Imagine a reptile with human lips. That would look pretty damn trippy and they'd have these red lips on a reptilian like face. It would look like a clown. It would look stupid, it would look strange to the, the human eye. Uncanny, some could say, which is a phenomena people feel when they look at clowns. It's this uncanny valley type of thing. It's almost human but it's, it's not quite human. There's something weird going on. So clown makeup, they tend to have high brow ridges, big black ridges going like up like this and down. If they close their eyes it makes it look like they have enormous eyes. And they often shade that in with blue so it looks like they have big blue glowing eyes like the Nephilim has said to a have had. They often called the glowing ones because of this in other cultures because of the nature of the huge glowing alien like eyes. It's a reptilian feature. Snakes tend to have big bulging eyeballs, often glowing gold. If you look at a snake's eye, it's often gold in nature. Clowns often have slits drawn down the eye as well. It's a common feature. Also a reptilian feature they inherited from their parents, the serpentine gods, the Seraphim class angels. So clown makeup is just there to accentuate serpent traits. That's all it's really about. On the white skin base, which I've explained earlier through the mark of Cain perhaps. But it just seems to be a feature Nephilim seem to have for some reason on the face. I believe the bodies were incredibly psychedelic, just like any serpent. Look at the reptilian of the Earth today that we have just, just lizards alone. They are so colorful, they are so bright. Nature's palette is insanely psychedelic when it comes comes to monsters and creatures of, of the lizard amphibian aven variety, the feathered serpent variety. You know, multicolored palettes are perfectly normal. And I believe the clown costume, which is often a polka dot bright multicolors is just a reference to the skin of serpents. So it's just another symbol, it's a caricature, it's an over exaggerated caricature of these features. The Nephilim would have had the big wild red hair. Often they have a stool cap on to make the head look longer, like a cone of some kind or the forehead look a lot longer. Elongated skulls are such a common trait of Nephilim. They've been uncovered everywhere. You know, there's just these, this phenomena of huge volumed heavy thick skulls are all over the place. And they likely belong to the lower form Nephilim, the Elio and the eliud. Not the 40 foot tall ones but maybe the 9 foot 12 foot tall ones because they tend to be relatively human sized, just a bit, bit bigger, you know. So that's again just another not in a wink to the Nephilim, the pinheads, the cone heads, you know, the long heads by the clown always has that usually has that feature somehow. So the ruffle around the neck really common trait. That's actually a reptilian frill. Lizards in Australia do have that feature and I do think a lot of the Neph that would have had a similar feature as well as translated into a silly little cloth around the the neck of a clown. Clowns are often associated with having extremely large feet and not on the winter. The fact that they used to be giants or large gloves in some way, if not something large, they would also have something tiny like a little hat or a little umbrella again and not on a wink to these ordinary objects to us would be tiny to them in comparison. It's just a, just a symbol, you know, a metaphor, a nod and a wink to that idea. The idea of many clowns coming out of a car is symbolic of many spirits legion coming out of a human body. You know they are. And also a tiny car full of giants. You know, it's a Nephilim reference again to their giant nature. A car in the dream symbolism world represents a human body. If your car breaks down in a dream, it's very likely in the real world you're currently suffering from some kind of debilitating illness. It's very common people dream about cars breaking down when They've broken the leg, for example. Because it's a symbol. It's a sign of your ability to move through the world. Translate that into the real world. A bunch of clowns coming out of a tiny car is a bunch of giant Nephilim Legion demons coming out of a human body. It's. It's a symbol again. So that's. And they're laughing at us when they do these things. You know, that's the whole point of this. It's a joke to them. Clowns are often on stilts as well, for that reason accentuates the height, makes them. And the fact that they were giants. And again, it's used by secret societies who did this, who created this in circuses which were made by secret societies in the 19th and the 20th century for the specific purpose of recreating rituals that were done in Freemason lodges. So the first early circuses were created by Freemasons. Everything about them was run by the Ringling Brothers, pt, Barnum and Bailey, all of them. If you know, it's always the Something bros. All these old circuses, it's the Something brothers, the bros at the end of every name. Well, Brother a brother is a member of the fraternity. That's the whole point of it. That's what it's actually referencing every. You know, they refer to each other as Brother Thomas Something or other or Brother Something. That's what they called each other. So every circus in America, the early ones that came out of Britain from as. From Asley and his horse shows, they were molded by Freemasons to be. To mimic the rituals performed in Freemason lodges. The ringmaster, the lord of the ring, the one who orchestrates the ritual of the circus, is a copy of the worshipful grand master in a lodge who is the only one allowed to wear a top hat in the lodge. The top hat wearing leader of the ring in a circus is just the worshipful grandmaster in a Freemason lodge. What do they do but have these rituals in Freemason lodges to summon demons while they're orchestrating the demons. Demons or the clowns at the circus. It's. It's just an analogy. It's a parody. It's on a grand scale. They have put into the public during this time period the satanic invocation rituals hidden and occulted under something fun for the family. But they've managed to get the entire village to get involved in the ritual. Because when the circus comes to town, you go, because what else are you gonna do?

[Top Lobster]

I was gonna bring My kids to the circus tomorrow and now like strongly considering not doing that.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think tell them what's going on. Like this is all actually about the Nephilim and the Fallen three and five.

[Top Lobster]

Like listen, my friend Paul said.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

This.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Was the original thing. Okay. Circuses today are kind of old fashioned. They're quite rare. I don't think they're, they're as sinister and openly freemasonic as they used to be. A lot of it transferred over to the clowns going to the media of the tv, for example. It became something else. It started in the theaters and the stages of London, then it moved into the circuses of America. Then it went, ended up on tv. You know, the clowns have shifted, you know, and, and the purpose of their rituals because back then the circus was the only form of entertainment the masses would, would go to because there weren't, there wasn't really tv, there was reading and stuff like that. But you know, people wanted spectacle. So the circus is where you go for that. But now we can just go to the cinema.

[Top Lobster]

You know, I think of like immediately somebody like, you know, instead of the circus, now we're in media. But like Takashi69, someone like that with this like crazy hair and he's kind of like, he's just doing the most, he's doing Nephilim out there and it's just like. Yeah, just. They just, you know, upgraded and now they're doing.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

The cloud is shifted.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah. I think circuses today are probably a bit cheesy and old, old hat aren't really what they were initially, historically speaking in terms of being Freemasonic rituals on a mass scale. Yeah. Today I think they're a bit more tame, more family orientated, a bit of fun for the kids. But I, I would say there's, there's still a danger in channeling a clown. The image of a clown, you know, whether you believe in it or not is irrelevant. It's still going to affect you and the people around you in some weird.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, the fact that like your initial, your initial reaction to a clown would be something of fear or like contempt or loathing. And your initial reaction to a snake is almost identical to kind of tell people, tell people something at a base level.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It puts you on edge. You don't know what they're going to do. A clown could throw water in your face at any moment. You don't know how to read their emotions because the face doesn't move because of the makeup up. That's how you react to a snake is it gonna, Is it about to bite me or not? Do I run? Do I stay still? What's it gonna do? I can't read. It's. It's cold, dead eyes. And it's emotional. It doesn't have emotion. You know, it's kind of. Yeah, we, we get a similar base, uncanny valley instinctual fear from, from a clown as we do from a reptile or a snake. It's, it's kind of, you know, something.

[Top Lobster]

Interesting that I've dealt with. So I lived in New York and I moved Florida because of the COVID response. But one of the issues that I had with my son is he had a, like delayed development because I, I, what I think is everybody in New York, besides like immediate family that he saw is wearing a mask. So you're never reading people's faces and you don't develop in the proper way. So I, I like got him out of there as soon as I could and now he's, he's doing well. But like, I'm, I'm just imagining the generation of kids that were born at that time, time period that didn't see a human reaction or face at the supermarket or wherever they went for two years, three years. And so people still do it to a certain point. So people will still, you know, cover their face. Like, like this is gonna, this generation, when they grow up, they'll probably be like super susceptible to Nephilim because that's kind of like a precursor to it.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Like the clown is like hiding this intention behind you. And it's, it's like, it's, it's, it's messing with their base instinct of something that they should have immediately, but now it's normalized to them, you know?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Right.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Like, man.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I think it's also, it's really telling too how the clown has just moved entirely out of the realm of humor. And it's now it's like full time capacity is horror. Yeah, it's, it's the stuff of phobias, which is weird, right, because people have phobias of snakes, people have phobias of. But like as far as an occupation, you know, a clown is a very. People don't have phobias of, I don't know, name another performer. Like a ballerina. Nobody has a ballerina phobia. But somehow clowns have pushed their way into almost exclusively horror. That's the thing that they're most known for nowadays. In fact, if you somehow had none of the context of where a clown had been from prior, and you only had today's lens to look through. You would say that a. A clown is a horror film mechanism exclusively just by today's standards alone. And it's almost very telling. Right? Because it's like as we progress down the timeline, things get more and more out in the open. And that seems to be following that trend where it's like starting to reveal its true nature and what it's actually meant for.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It's interesting to say that because in the video I'm. I'm writing currently, I noticed this trend of when that happens. Happened. It was a weird swap. Now don't get wrong. The. The evil clown trope has been around for. Since like. Well, it's basically. You know what I mean? It's been around for a while, maybe from the 80s and maybe a little bit before that, but it's been slowly becoming more prevalent prevalence and it's kind of escalating in a very exponential way in the past 10 years. The evil clown trope is now taken over and it's interesting. So in 2014 the film came out called Clown, which was about a man who put on a costume of a clown and he couldn't take the costume off. It turns out he's put on the skin of an ancient reptilian demon called a clone. Yeah. And he can't take this skin off and he's now turning into more demon. Like he tries to rip the nose off for example, and it takes all of his skin off with it. And it's kind of. It's fused to his skin. And the only way to be free.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

What's this film called?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

It's called Clown.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna. 100 gonna watch it.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not gonna watch it. I'm not gonna.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

I'm gonna watch it.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

2014 clown. Anyway, I think it's. I haven't watched it myself. I think it's Swedish and it's based on a Scandinavian mythology of the cl. Now that's a fake mythology. It doesn't exist in the real world. In the film they've invented this mythology around a cave dwelling clown looking reptile called the cl. But anyway, he puts on the skin of the cloying. Can't take it off. He's been possessed by it and he's basically has to eat five children to be free. That's wild. That's the plot and it's about him tackling with the situation. He tries to kill himself, he shoots himself, he regenerates, he can't die.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

So it's kind of they also work at cern.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I have no idea. But I, I, but either way, that came out in 2014 and that was kind of the start of something because from then on things started to happen and, and more horror films around clown started to reveal themselves. Then it came out in 2017 as well, and that really started to, to make things roll. And obviously 2016, the year before we had the clown street, the clown sightings as well, it all started to coalesce. And this is interesting. You were talking about how it's all predominantly evil clowns now. After the 2016 clown sightings, Ronald McDonald, the mascot, the Happy Go Lucky for children, happy mascot of McDonald's was removed.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Do you mean the place where they supposedly are eating human meat in their burgers, that they're constantly. There's always like once every two or three years a story pops up where they're talking about acceptable levels of human DNA found in the meat in McDonald's. I swear to you, this is a, this is a thing. And also they have directly attached to them a children's charitable foundation.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

But the thing is, it was. Yeah, yeah. Thing is, Ronald McDonald has always been associated with Happy Go Lucky fun for the kids, not a scary clown. So as soon as scared the scary clown switch happened. I find it interesting. They removed Ronald McDonald from the public light. He's no longer their mascot. He's only loosely mentioned now in their charity they do for children, Ronald McDonald House. And all you see is his hand holding another child's hand as their symbol. And that's as far as running Donald go Six fingers.

[Top Lobster]

Well, oh, that's a T shirt. That's sick.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

But, yeah, but symbolically speaking, you know, to remove from the public figure from the public eye, the, the honest clown for children and then from then on, only to push out demonic clown from then on, maybe symbolic in some way. I don't, I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

From that time we, we had floated the idea of like, basically us, our generation being the center of whatever's going on right now. Like, they don't give a. About the kids now. They're not even making good shift. I told my kid the other day, I was like, they don't even make for you. You're still watching that? I watch. We watched Blues Clues the other day. They don't even care. So it's like, so at the same time as they get rid of Ronald McDonald and he becomes sinister, that's our generation. They also said we don't need these slides in this place. Like, we don't need the thing that you can go back and forth and they just get rid of the blank ball pit. Like these guys make it into some like postmodern square that's like very gray inside and come and get your goy slop and get out of here. It's like they don't care anymore.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Human infused burgers.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. To acceptable levels. Let's not get crazy.

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

Yeah.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Well, exactly like I said. But since then, things have. The clown in our modern society has really. Wait till the video comes out. It's gonna come out next week. Anyway, I've just, I've just mapped out the past 10 years of clown phenomena and it's ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous. I mean even just recent. This is really on. This is on the nose now. Currently they've just online. A video sensation has happened called the Amazing Digital Circus. People are obsessed with this animation that's just come out. It's start. It sparked a new cosplay phenomena. People, all the Weebs are going nuts. It's just. This is the thing now, you know what I mean? Everyone's just like Jobs. It's the greatest thing ever to be created in terms of animated media. Unbelievable. And it's basically just a 20 minute pilot for this concept of a. A people trapped in an AI dimension. But the AI dimension they're trapped in, which is run by a corrupt AI who won't let them leave, is a clown world. It's like a circus of some kind with a check. But it's like 90s, early 2000 video game style themed circus effects and aesthetics and people. Maybe it's playing on the nostalgia of people, I don't know. But people are now just obsessed with the main neurotic female character who's just appeared in this world and is stuck there. And she's called Pomni and she's a jester and she honestly, she has the body of a child in this thing. But there's. Or there's already, you know, as the Internet goes, plenty of perverted things made out, you know, and it's become. What was that rule?

[Top Lobster]

The Rule 42 or something like this?

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's one of those rules of the Internet. But it's happened and it's. It's sexualizing the image of a clown more. It's becoming one of these things. That's another phenomena that seems to be happening recently and it's just so bizarre and it, it's a product of the Time is what I'm trying to explain in my video. People want me to give a breakdown of it, you know, and then because I do the clowns. So it's like, you've got to talk about this amazing digital circle because there's so much hidden nuance in there and everywhere. And it's like, I could do that, but there's thousands of people have already done that. What I will tell you is, look at the trend of the past 10 years. Can you be surprised? This has just turned up. And this is why it's so popular and amazing and everyone loves it so much. Why it's already got something stupid like, I don't know, 150 million views in a week or something like that. You know, it's because of the pattern. If you follow back for the past decade, this is. This is not surprising to me. Like, they have been inundating us with clowns and getting us to a point where we love clowns as a collective, and that's prepping us for the return of the nephilim.

[Top Lobster]

At the same time, these stories that are inherently true, these inherently true archetypes do speak to some kind of like, you know, like, just right at the base of your skull. It's like something knows, like, when it resonates. When you hear a true story, you go, ah, that's. That's the thing. That's the thing. So, yeah, it's. It's all of that stuff. It's conditioning. It's just your. Your base level of humanity understanding what this is. But I want to. I want to bring this episode in for. For a landing. Not a crash landing, a little landing here, because I know that you got to go and I want to respect your time. So can you leave us with any, like, final thoughts? Because I feel like we did an okay job letting you go, but we kind of like. Like, I. I know I derailed you a bunch. Not as much as tinfoil hat, but.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Yeah, no, no, that was fun, actually, with Sam Tripley. I didn't mind being derailed. That was fine. I don't know. I think we've. We've cut a lot of grounds here. I don't normally get to talk about, to be honest, so I'm happy for it. You know, I. I kind of. I've been doing this for so long, I kind of have a spiel that. Of the same points being hit over and over again. So I don't mind being derailed because it makes me think about other things and say other things, other things. I have opinions on other things, you know, so I'm. I'm happy to be able to say them. That's fine. In terms of final thoughts, there's nothing really, I, I haven't already mentioned in, like, over the past seven years that I'd really want to say again. Just the important thing to do is to always bring this back to the final ultimate truth of the matter, you know, These are a defeated enemy. Jesus is real, too. It's not just about these demons. That's not what my. We shouldn't just be focusing on them and, and worrying and panicking about what are we going to do about these clowns? They're done. They're defeated. We. We have authority over them. If you are suffering from demonic oppression or attacks in the form of these jesters in these other realms or sleep paralysis, just call in the name of Jesus and you'll be saved. Just remember that.

[Top Lobster]

Amen. This. That's a great place. I think it's a great place to leave this off. Paul, thank. Can you tell these people where they can find you again, please? It's important, important that you support his work. Go subscribe to his YouTube channel when his book drops, do all that stuff because we need people. Me and, me and Corbo, we're making it happen. We're idiots. All we do is come here and we make jokes and we let smart people tell us. But these are the people that you should really be supporting. So just go ahead and tell them again, man.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

Oh, yeah, just YouTube understanding, conspiracy. If you're looking, struggling to where to start, Just go to the Playlist tab. Hit the Nephilim, look like clowns and start there. But there's plenty of things that you can go into and have a look at that, that I talk about. But yeah, and also to my own listeners who are. Who are currently streaming on my show, go and subscribe to these guys. The link is in. In description below. Okay. Support them. Help them grow. I've been there since the beginning. I talk with these guys behind the scenes as well on Twitter. We're in a little group chat, aren't we? And it's good fun, the real deal. Give them a chance. Get in there, you know, give him a follow.

[Top Lobster]

Thank you. Thank you, Corbo. Anything?

[David Lee Corbo (The Raven)]

No, I mean, you know, guys, as always, go follow Nephilim Death Squad on. On Twitter. Subscribe to us on YouTube so we can kind of consolidate the fan base over there. Nephilim death squad.com and I was supposed to do a live Q and A on the Ravens Watch Wednesday ended up doing an appearance on Tower Gang. It's very important to to me that everybody likes me. So if you want to see me go crush on Tower Gang, go watch that episode, give the boys a bunch of good feedback about me. And tomorrow I'll be doing my live Q and A. I haven't decided on a time yet. Just keep an eye out on the Ravens Watch for that announcement to drop.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, guys, thank you. We'll see you. We'll see you next week. We. I don't even know what we got next week, but we'll see you next week for sure. Peace out.

[Paul (Understanding Conspiracy)]

The Swedish hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happened. And they have.