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Nephilim Death Squad
TIMECAPSULE: From Witchcraft to Christianity w/ Mama Sha
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This episode is a throwback to the early days of Nephilim Death Squad—before the algorithms, before the polish, when the conversations were raw, dangerous, and unfiltered. In this classic NDS episode, we’re joined by Mama Sha (Shannon), who shares...
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David Lee Corbo
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
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Top Lobster
Hank. What's going on? We haven't worked a case in years.
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David Lee Corbo
I just bought my car at Carvana and it was so easy. Too easy.
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Top Lobster
Think something's up?
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David Lee Corbo
You tell me. They got thousands of options, found a great car at a great price, and it got delivered the next day.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
It sounds like Carvana just makes it.
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David Lee Corbo
Easy to buy your car, Hank. Yeah, you're right. Case closed.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
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David Lee Corbo
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is.
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David Lee Corbo
Going on and what is really going on is absolutely.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim shit.
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Top Lobster
It's like we all know what's going.
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David Lee Corbo
Down, but no one's saying shit. What happened to the home of the brave Take controlness now when no one's talking about how they made us part of their slaves and everybody's just walking around, heading across and wanna wake up to a in the grave Finally Too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of the year. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven, that is Top lobster, the father of disinformation. And today we are joined by Shannon, AKA Mama Shah. Shannon, if you could for the audience, just introduce yourself and describe sort of the nature of what you're here to talk about today.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Hey, everyone. So, like I said, my name is Shannon. I am a Christian, but I came out of the occult and Satanism, and I'm here to share my testimony. It's sort of like split into two sections where I became a Christian and. And then within the last year or so, I realized that there were. The spiritual forces of darkness are very real and attached to Christians too. So that's the sword I'm here to talk about.
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Top Lobster
Very cool. So we were. We were suggested.
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David Lee Corbo
You.
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Top Lobster
You were suggested to us by Brad Bradley Lyle. And I listened to your interview on there and I caught. I didn't want to, like, ruin the whole story myself, but I think it would be cool to start at the beginning of what was going on in your life. How did you get mixed up in this stuff and like, how this. How does your story play out? Like, how did. How does one get into witchcraft in the occult?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So I was raised Christian, kind of like my parents took me to, like, a Presbyterian church a couple of times growing up. But then after they got divorced, I. You know, kids are dramatic and especially teenagers. So as a young teenager, I. My parents were divorced. They didn't have very many friends, and I was one of those, like, a typical Goth 90s, early 2000s teenager. And so I found a book at Borders on Witchcraft, sort of advertised to teenagers. And at up to that point, I had had no idea that witchcraft was. Anybody actually believed in it. Like, I thought it was something on, like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Charmed. So that's. That was sort of my perspective on it. And then once I realized it was real, I was like, hell, yeah. Like, why not? Why not? Like, let's. Let's dive in.
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Top Lobster
So it's funny, I think. I think Brad set us up here because he suggested our previous guest, Nyx, who basically covered all the sex of Satanism. And just yesterday, we talked about Buffy the Vampire Slayer. We talked about, like, soft occultism. We talked about witchcraft being hokey. We talked about, like, goth and the style of, like, you know, this kind of like this soft entry into the occult and Satanism. And here we are today talking to somebody who this. This stuff just work.
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David Lee Corbo
Seemed to work on Brad seemingly pitching us an underhand throw here. When it comes to. It's really interesting that you're talking about. I was just in this bookstore the other day, books a million. And there is like an entire new age witchcraft occult section. And it does have a teenage bent to it.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And a lot of that stuff is what they pitch at teenagers. And I don't want to be the type of person that's like, don't watch Harry Potter. But these things do effectively act as a gateway. And I don't. I'm not the type of person that tells people to stay away from it, because I think your journey is your own. Here you are sitting before us, right. Who you seemingly came to Christ through the back door of the church. That's kind of the expression that I use when it comes to people who first found their way through the occult and then end up Christianity. It's just interesting, though, that you're here telling us it was a. It was a book on witchcraft that was aimed at teenagers. It's like, well, there you go. The door does work.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yep. Well, I mean, teenagers are very impressionable and they care a lot more about social standing and, like, appearance and everything. Like poetry, like dark poetry, like all of that cheesy stuff that's all teenager, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's cheesy to us. But they obviously. I got super into it.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. So what. What about it was so alluring? Because you said initially when you had gotten into it, you. You didn't really believe anybody believed in this.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
And then there was something that was tangible enough that kept you there. What was that?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I thought it was attractive. There was some sexual appeal and the whole aesthetic to, you know, like the goth subculture, you know, And I was very overweight at that time. Like, I. I was 230 pounds in middle school. And it. I think that played into it also was like wanting some sort of release to like, escape myself and escape my family, escape everything. And also witchcraft offers a. You get you, like, control so you can control a world that is spiraling out of control. And like, I felt out of control in my body and it just is a multifaceted issue. But yes, so I got into witchcraft and I was sort of like toyed around with it and built an altar and things. And I tried a few spells and I ended up doing basically like a love spell on this kid that I had this massive crush on. And I left a candle burning in my room and I left for school with the candle burning and naturally it. My room caught on fire.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh my goodness.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah. And my. When I got home from school, like the whole house was filled with smoke damage. My room had been like burned and. But the spell worked. Which, if you know anything about magic or like the, the law of. Oh, what is it called? I can't remember.
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David Lee Corbo
The attraction.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, well, not the law of attraction, but in a way. So when you, you sacrifice things to like a, an entity or like a spell or whatever, like it can sort of increase the power is like.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. So as far as your offerings go.
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Top Lobster
You kind of offered up your entire.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Right. And it worked.
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David Lee Corbo
Which is filled with things that you're, you know, are beloved to you. Right. If you're, if you're a teenager in your room that's filled with all of your memories and. Yeah. So you sacked. That was a big sacrifice.
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Top Lobster
Burned all your.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
This might be. If you don't want to, don't answer it. But is there a specific name. Entity that's involved with. Because I assume that there is going to be a different principality for this sort of magic, this sort of spell that you're doing. Were you in that deep into it?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
No. So I, at that time I didn't have any idea about like demons or I was into goddesses. So I was like sacrificing to like Diana or Hecate or Hecate, however you pronounce her name. And so my, like, I, I had been after. After that spell I started to be attacked by shadow people. But I didn't have any concept about demons. And so like that didn't come in until a lot later.
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David Lee Corbo
So how effective was this spell? You said that it, it worked.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
It worked. So he. Within like a couple of months he asked me out and I quickly realized I did not like him. He's like, yeah, this guy's a simp. Yes. And so I broke up with him and he. All the way through high school into college, he had a thing for me and would sort of, I think, to like an obsessive level because I went on, I like became, I became like a full blown lesbian in college and I like bought the leftist liberal the whole pie. Like I ate it all. And I was like full blown blue haired, literally blue haired, like all of it. But even through all of that, that whole time he had like, like an, an obsession kind of thing going. So I, I personally think, like, looking back, I don't think it was actually the spell that worked, but probably like Demonic oppression involved there. That's what I think now. But back then, I thought my magic had worked.
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David Lee Corbo
I want to ask you a question.
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Top Lobster
Can I circle back before you. Before you move on? So you just said shadow people attacking you. Were these it. Were you able to tell? Were those entities or were those people that are astral projecting like. Like you opened up a door and now they're. They have access to you. What do you think?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I don't know. I'm not sure. I think that they were entities. I think because it was like, choking and, like, holding me down and. And everything, and it would happen on, like, a consistent basis, so it could be actual projection. I do have something related to that that when I was a kid, long before I ever tried witchcraft, there was a Satanist that lived a house a couple houses down from me. And I think that he had, like, a thing for kids. And he would, like. We'd have our pool out as, like, a little kid and be like, swimming, me and my brother. And he would just be standing there watching us. And I. Around that same time, I would wake up sometimes at night and there would be, like, a shadow figure. Not. It's more like a static, like on the old TVs. There'd be like white noise or static on the TV when it wasn't connected to anything. A figure that looked like that, just static would be, like, standing in my doorway looking at me. And it happened, like, numerous times. And I've never heard.
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David Lee Corbo
Shannon. Other people's descriptive of that static, man. Because I. I've heard that descriptive several times.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Have you? I've only heard. I. I talked to Tony Merkel about it, and he said that he had a dream once about, like, a static person. But that's the only person I've heard that about the static people, because it.
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David Lee Corbo
Seems to be like, repeat. It's very far and few in between that you find somebody with an experience that somebody else hasn't also seen something similar. And I think that just speaks to the categorization of entities that are in this realm that we can't see. It's not a random thing. Oftentimes people are visited by the same entities.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, man.
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David Lee Corbo
You know, you said something before that you fell into the whole gambit of, you know, leftism or liberalism, you know, becoming a lesbian at some point.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And you even said, like, the blue hair. It's fascinating because these are political and cultural alignments that always seem to meet this end of the spiritual spectrum. You know what I mean? And I just think that that's fascinating because that's not the forward facing, you know, mask of the movement, but it's always an element to it. And it's, it's. I don't know what it is. It's like something about these ideologies and these spiritual practice practices. They prey on people who are disenfranchised from the general population. So people that are outliers, that have had a negative experience one way or the other socially often fall into these things. It's, it's really like these things are parasitic or, or prey driven and they're waiting for somebody to take advantage of.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I, I think that like wounds like that, like, I'm sorry if y' all can hear that, but I think that on the spirit realm we have, when we go through social traumas and just whatever, like emotional trauma, it can leave windows open to our bodies. And I think that that that window like leaves opportunity for parasites, like you said, to climb in through and like inhabit and torment us. And it sort of like leaves us vulnerable, especially if you don't have like the, the armor of God, for example, which I had no idea what that even was until like a couple of years ago. And I think. Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
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David Lee Corbo
We talk about it on the show often and it's certainly a contentious topic because it's, it's a touchy one. But it does seem like within these organizations there is a uplifting of women to a higher spiritual authority place. And when I mean these organizations, I mean like covens and, and you know, at the top of the show, Top Lobster said that yesterday we were discussing various sects of Satanism and such within these organizations. They'll elevate women to a high spiritual place. And I find it interesting that the church doesn't do that. And I just wonder if it's because women are particularly spiritually vulnerable. I think in some ways women are a bit more in tune with the spiritual realm. They're more, they can interact with it, they're subjected to it more. It can interact with them a little bit more than, than men. And I think when you take women and you strip them of their spiritual understanding, but you cannot remove that interaction that still happens to them. That's where things go wrong. Because now they don't have a map and they seek to further their interactions with this thing that's communing with them and then we end up with this situation where you have the mothers of darkness or what have you.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, I think, I think that there is some truth to that. And I don't. I get. I don't know if you think it's like, church tradition or, like. I think there's also some, like, misunderstanding of or misinterpretation of, like, the writings of Paul about, like, women shouldn't, like, speak in church and things like that. Yeah, I don't. It does seem like women are, by and large more in tune spiritually. And it's also. The serpent spoke to Eve, so I don't know. It's interesting.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I. I do think that that's the. The doorway. If you want to corrupt people, it seems that you can leverage women. And I think this is a mistake that happens over and over again where we lose our spiritual understanding, but it never stops interacting with us, in particular, women. And so. Okay, so let's. Let's. I'm sorry to interrupt. Let's continue. This, this. So you. You are a. For a period, you're really immersed in this culture, right? Like you said, you went through this socially, culturally, politically, and, of course, spiritually. How do you end up getting.
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Top Lobster
Did you end up, like, finding a group or something like that, or is it real?
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David Lee Corbo
Okay.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
In high school, I found friends and we did form a coven of sorts. And it wasn't. I mean, we did some rituals and things, but it wasn't anything super hardcore. But, I mean, we did. We did do some magic together. And we also. We did like, study groups, like on magic and like, paganism and things. And. I mean, no, it's a cheesy goth click, you know.
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David Lee Corbo
So what did you try to do, if anything, about this shadow people? You said that you were having instances where you're being choked and such. Did you take any recourse?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I. No, that would have been smart. I. I was an idiot, of course. But so I. I knew intuitively that these shadow people were coming at me because of the witchcraft, performing magic. I felt like I had opened a door and I. So I stepped back from magic for a short period of time. But, I mean, ultimately I just accepted that they were going to happen and they began happening less frequently. But I did experience, like, sleep paralysis and, you know, like, haunting situations. But, yeah, I never. I never thought. It never occurred to me to try and protect myself. I mean, I would do, like, salt circles and things, but, yeah, I didn't. Like, we didn't have the Internet back then, so it was. It wasn't as easy to identify things like that. And I didn't really understand, like, the mechanics of magic until later in life.
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David Lee Corbo
So, yeah, these books, what Are they telling you to do? I never really thought about that much. You have a book on witchcraft in the teenage section in your local bookstore. What is, what are the, you know, what is it about?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So it'll go through. So it re. So the book that I had specifically. All right, a few books, but it, they basically did like a retelling of how women used to be in power. So like there were, there was goddess worship. And then as like the pendulum swung towards masculinity, Christianity came in and like the sky father. And so masculinity took over and then now the pendulum is swinging back towards feminism. So there's like a dualistic balance that happens. And like every 2,000 years it'll. The pendulum will swing is what this book said. Okay. And it like retold how Christianity was just a construct from Constantine to rule Rome and to unite the pagan empire and, or the Roman empire under one God and all. It's like a. It had some seeds of truth to it, but it was like a revisionist history. And then it also taught you how to build altars. It gave you information on different deities and it was like the basic instructions on like how to do a spell and how to protect yourself during the spell with like the salt circle and you know, calling on the different powers from north, east, southwest and all of that stuff. So.
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David Lee Corbo
This altar, you said at one point you had built an altar.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yes.
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David Lee Corbo
Did you make an effort to dedicate that altar to any particular deity?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yes, I preferred Artemis and Diana. Let me see if I can.
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David Lee Corbo
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Sorry, my husband's work computer keeps going off.
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David Lee Corbo
I wasn't sure if that was you or top there.
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Top Lobster
It's okay. Yeah, you can figure that out because we're. This is pre tape, so we could edit that. I'll bookmark it.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah.
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Top Lobster
How cool is that? We used to usually go live and it's like, all right, well, I guess we'll just struggle through it, but don't worry about it.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Thank you.
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David Lee Corbo
I'm going to take this opportunity for a quick pee break, then I'll be right back.
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Top Lobster
Okay. I'm here looking up Artemis. So it's a, it's a deity, a patron protector of young children, especially young girls.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yep.
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Top Lobster
Interesting. This is like, oh, this is an ancient Greek, Greek God. So on this. Yeah, on our, on this show here, we, we kind of tie the, the idea of these ancient, ancient deities, especially from the Greek pantheon, we tie them back to possibly the Nephilim, possibly the fallen angels. Some of them, like Ball and Zeus have a lot, a lot of overlap as far as. I think it's like the Triton that he holds. And I mean, even, even if you look at the Statue of Liberty that kind of resembles Ball in a certain, in a certain way. So we think that, we think that some of these deities, most of these deities are just rebranded and retold to us in a different way and you worship them under a different name.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, I agree with that. I think that's exactly right. And the pagans back in, back in biblical times knew this, like their gods had many names. So it would. The same deity would shift names like Ishtar. And then she has a lot of similarities, in my opinion, to like Kuan Yin, who is like an Indian goddess of death. But they have like these similarities where it's like as people moved throughout, you know, the European continent and Africa and everything, like they brought their gods with them. And so. Yeah, I think, I think that's exactly right.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. David, we're just like recapping just the rebranding and it's kind of interesting as, as you popped in into the Stream yard before, we were talking about aliens and what we think is going to happen there. And we've, we've been saying for a long time as well, aliens just seem like a rebranding of, of demonic entities or possibly nephilim or something. I don't know. Dave, what are we thinking here?
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David Lee Corbo
I mean, I think that there's several elements to the alien thing, whether or not it's reverse engineered craft or even. It doesn't have to be reverse engineered. It could just be technology that's been suppressed by our own military industrial complex. But then there is an element that seems to be very real. I just don't think they're from outer space. I think that more than likely they're these kind of ancient, adversarial biblical entities, and they've figured out ways through technology and such to interact with this realm a little bit more concretely. But it speaks to human beings. Our thirst for knowledge also plays really well with our ego in such a way that if you rebrand something and present it to someone, they will look at that and then go, now I understand it. And that understanding is. It, like, bolsters their ego. So in a way, like, you're talking about revisionist history from this witchcraft book. Yeah, you read this book and there is an egocentric element to it where you go, ah, I now have deeper gnosis. I have deeper understanding of a topic. And then it just, it folds into your rhetoric and the conversations that you have. Well, actually, this isn't true. What really happened is 2000 years ago, things. You know what I mean? And it's like somehow that information gets tied into your personality. And I think that it's so clever, the rebranding aspect of things, because it plays off of, you know, natural human proclivities to kind of just want to be the best. And we know it all and we have the coveted knowledge that nobody else has. And so I think that it's not just unique to aliens even. You know, you're talking about Hecate, right? And Diana and such. And I think there's real precedent for at least Hecate or Hecate, however you would pronounce it, being Lilith. Yeah, the. The night monster that's spoken about in the Bible. This, this female negative spirit that typically lures men. I think it's where we get the idea of, like the siren as well, or the harpy. They described Lilith as a harpy, which I find fascinating. But there is something there where, you know, you've taken this character and it's the same character but you've rebranded her for Norse mythology for maybe a Native American bent, but it's the same one, and it does the same things. And. But now I know her as Hecate, or I know her as X, Y and Z. Therefore, I have gnosis, a deeper understanding of this subject, and you lean on that and mistake that for the ability to trust this topic, and that's where things go really wrong. But, yeah, it's. It's over and over again. Things get rebranded, and it just hijacks our psychology. And, yeah, we get wrapped up in it.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I think it's. I think it's so interesting. It's terrifying, but also interesting. My dad was obsessed with Native American Lord, Native American history, Native American everything. We have, like, a minuscule amount of, like, Choctaw and it. He had all of, like, these flutes and dream catchers and all of this stuff inside of our house. And I had. I would have, like, this reoccurring nightmare where there was a. Like, a bird monster trying to climb in through my window. And this happened. It was the exact same dream several times. And I would be. And this was in waking reality, like, in real life. I would be sitting in my room, like, on my top bunk, and I would see, like, these feathers, like, go, like, above my bed and. And then down, and I would, like, go and look, and there'd be nothing there. And, like, I. This happened before I started getting into witchcraft. And I feel like maybe, like, spiritually, something was, like, already had, like. Had its grips in me and was, like, sort of, like pushing me in, like, this direction. And I don't. I just think it's interesting, like, with the Lilith tie in and, like, the harpy. Yes.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yeah, There's. I mean, that's something, too. You'll see Isis depicted as having bird wings, you know, or, you know, these. Most of these are fallen angels or some offshoot of them.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
It always seems that wings are.
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Top Lobster
Oh, yeah. Lilith has, like, bird feet, right?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
Harpies. Yeah. So harpies are. They have the lower half of a bird, more or less, with. Yeah. Talons and. And gigantic wings and, you know, the upper half of a woman.
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Top Lobster
But kind of interesting, right, because it's like. You hear this. You hear this kind of story a lot where if someone gets involved in this stuff, there are precursors in their childhood or their past that.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
They're like, I remember this happening, and then, boom, all of a sudden, I'm waist deep in. In the occult. It's like. I don't want to say. I mean, we have free will, but it's almost like. Like there's a mark on you, or there's like a susceptibility to you that they're like, I know that I can get in. It's just a matter of time, and they're just in waiting.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. And it. Is it a matter of you doing something that. That triggers this attention that they're now giving you, or is it a matter of maybe a generational thing, for example? And this is very effectively brings us to the question that I want to ask you. But when I was younger, my grandmother, who I love dearly, was. You know, she thought she was a clairvoyant. She was writing papers on remote viewing. She was victim of AD UP alien abduction phenomenon when she was a child. She didn't know what it was until she got older. And, you know, there was cultural context for what she had gone through when she realized, oh, wow, other people are experiencing this as well. But I have a series of strange things that has. You know, they've always happened throughout my life, and I think in great deal it probably has to do with some sort of, like, what the Bible might call generational iniquity. So I'm wondering for you, Shannon, is there anything that you could look to in your past where maybe a relative was involved heavily in something that could have been passed down, or does any of that seem to resonate with you?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I do. I do believe in generational curses. Like I said, my dad was very into, like, Native American religion and Native American. Just culture in general. And his mother was like a quarter Choctaw, and she. She was Christian, but she would also, like, she had visions and things, and. I don't know. I don't know. But my. I know that my father was into all of that, and so we have that, like, in our bloodline. So I don't know specifically, though. And on my mother's side, there were Catholic, so for, like, generations. So. Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
Like, for example, if you had stayed on the path that you were on, then do you believe maybe generations after you could have been? Because that's what it seems like from where I'm sitting. Yeah.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah. And I had my first son before I got out of all of that, so. And he has, I think, been marked also. He. Yeah, he's. We've had some wild experiences with him, and he can see. I. I think I. I call it, like, discernment of spirits, but he can, like, see spirits, and he has these crazy. There's some weird stuff with dreams with him. We can we can talk about that.
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David Lee Corbo
Please. Let's go. Let's go.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So after I became a Christian, I. And my son was already born. He was probably over between 1 and 2 and I was having this dream where a demon, a female bird demon, Lilith, I assume, had like her claws in my head and she was like trying to like rip my head. And all of a sudden my son's head appears in the dream and he was just. He's like glowing, just his head. And he goes, no. And I wake up and he is laying on top of me and like shielding me. And that has never happened before. He does not. I've never woken up with him like that. And he. Yeah, dude, he totally saved me in that instance from a demonic attack.
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David Lee Corbo
That's incredible.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
You said when he, when he appeared, he was glowing his head.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Like he poked his head into the dream. Whoa. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Wow.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, it. It was super weird. And when I. When I. So I don't normally have dreams. When I. Before I found out I was pregnant with him, I started having dreams that I was pregnant with a boy and I was giving birth to a son. And like, I don't have dreams and I don't know if that's because he was inside of me or what, but like. Yeah. So after all of that happened, he became very ill. He got like strep throat and a staph infection and he had to. We were in the hospital for 30 days and he had all of these surgeries and he has like all of these like scars on him. And like, I personally think it's because he's marked and the enemy. Whatever was trying to like take him out is my personal opinion. But anyway, he survived that and he. Now every once in a while he'll have these. Just these crazy dreams and it. Yeah, it's very interesting.
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David Lee Corbo
What sorts of dreams?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Okay, so he. So for example, just recently he'll have like, we've started praying and praying like the armor of God and for like a shield around the house. And he will have these dreams where like hordes of bees are like trying to like break in and. Yeah. And then he'll. So that was the most recent dream. But. Okay, so we at. My pastor knows my testimony. Right. I promise this getting back into the dream. So my pastor knows my testimony and we go to like a Baptist ish church. So whenever I'm his official like demon person. So whenever there's somebody who is afflicted, he'll send them my way.
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David Lee Corbo
Right.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So I have had demonic experiences, but I didn't know what I was doing really, when this, when he first started sending me people. And there's one person in particular. So I went and prayed over this person's house without their permission and something attached to me. And so it knew where to find me. Right. So this girl reaches out to me again for help with getting rid of this demon. And, and as I'm telling her what to do, a demon, like, comes and tries to attach to me, but it can't. So it attaches to my son, the one who has all of these dreams. And that night he started, he dreamt that there was. He was being tortured and, like, all of, like, this weird stuff that he's, like, never been exposed to. And I was able to cast it out of him, and he came to know the Lord, but he, man, he just will have. I don't know if they're, like, prophetic dreams or y', all, I'm sorry, I'm, like, getting lost in my words.
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David Lee Corbo
No, that's all right. No, I know it's a difficult thing to try to explain as well.
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Top Lobster
It's like one story leads into the next. I, I, this is how my brain works, too. So go ahead, do what you got to do. I'm following. If we have questions, we're going to stop you and be like, what did you just say?
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David Lee Corbo
Well, here while you. Well, the reason that I asked what sort of dreams is because my son has had his fair share of strange experiences. He's nine years old now, and mostly these things don't happen anymore. Although in the past he has told me a story about this. When he was really little, he was probably, like, 3 years old, that he was in bed, and it felt as though his body was tied down to the bed with belts. And, and he saw a man pacing back and forth in the hallway. Black hat, black duster coat. So at three years old, you know, he's explaining the hat man to me. I still remember. And it's weird because you don't you try not to, as a parent, feed into it? Yeah, because, you know, really. And I was just saying this on another show for a good night's sleep. You know what I mean? Like, obviously, there's other very important reasons, but if you like to be able to sleep at night as a parent. Yeah, you don't feed into these things. And I remember one day he came to me and he starts telling me about a dream that he had. And whenever my son talks about dreams, I don't, like, feed in actively, but I do try. Like, I'LL I'll tune in and I'll listen and I won't make it a big deal, but I'm listening.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And, and he starts telling me about a dog, a black dog with red eyes that could talk. And, and I said, huh, that's, I don't like that, but all right, you know, and he's, he's saying that the dog is like his friend, there's a good guy in the dream. And then he comes to me only about a week later and he's describing his dreams and it's the same dog again. And at that I said, next time you see that dog, tell it in the name of Jesus Christ to leave you alone, don't speak to you anymore, don't come to your dreams, don't contact me in the name of Jesus Christ, you have to go away. And I think he's described that dog to me maybe a total of three times. And according to him, he's nine years old, so who the hell knows? And I don't even want to necessarily tell my son that, by the way. I don't want to say, hey, nine year old. Well, he was like maybe eight at the time. 7. Engage in spiritual warfare. You know what I mean?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Why not?
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David Lee Corbo
If you feed into that, it become, well, I mean, it's a double edged sword, right? Because I do believe something is definitively happening. But also the imagination of a child can take it to a point where who knows? Then it's, then it's this recurring thing and he's in this realm where he's constantly coming back to me, telling me about, you know, casting out demons and okay, so I'm.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So my son is five and he. We've had. Because of where I came from, my family has opened doors to spiritual through spiritual attack. Spiritual warfare more so than the average person. And we will all experience paranormal activity occasionally. And my son after. So I described about how this demon came and attached to us and it attached to my son. And it was torturing him in his dreams. And I started seeing this was, this happened over a course of three days. I started seeing this shadow person walking around and I didn't say anything to my son about, about what had happened. And he started seeing it too. And he was like, mom, there was a man walking through our bedroom. And he. So the first night he had a dream where a girl was like electrocuting him and torturing him. And then the second night it was this crazy sexual stuff that he had no words for. He just was describing it to me and I Was like, what do I do? And, yes, horrifying. And he's normally. He's the sweetest, kindest little boy. And he was angry. Whenever we would try and pray or talk about Jesus, he would get upset, and he was, like, growling and stuff, like something had very clearly attached to him. And finally, after the second night where he had those. The sexual dreams, I sat him down, and I was like, okay, listen. My best friend is also very. She came out. She used to be my coven. She's now a Christian also. So we communicate about all of this stuff. And she was like, what about Unforgiveness? I'm reading that Unforgiveness is. Is a. Is a big window, like an open window in the spirit realm. So I was like, okay, listen, buddy, you got to forgive your little brother. My younger son is 2, and he is a terrorist, and he can relate. A terrorist. So he is constantly terrorizing my older son. And so I was like, do you forgive your little brother? Like, do you. You have. Like, do you love him? And I explained to him that, like, unforgiveness and sin leaves us vulnerable to spirits. And I was straight up, like, I think a spirit has attached to you. And he was like, I forgive. I forgive my little brother. I love my little brother. And I was able to cast it out of him after that. And he said that he felt the bad kingdom leave him.
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David Lee Corbo
Interesting.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And. Yes. And then he was singing and happy, and we. Together, we walked through the whole house and cleared it out by, you know, you. You take authority over your home, and you cast demons out because we have authority to step over them and, you know, cast them out in Jesus name.
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Top Lobster
Now, what did you. The chat is going crazy with what you just went. You went to somebody's house, and you started casting a demon out of someone else's house without their consent.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yes, I did.
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Top Lobster
You're a wild girl. Okay.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I would never do that again. I would never, ever do that again. But I did do that. I was asking for it.
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David Lee Corbo
I could see how you would think that's a good idea, right? I mean, yeah, if you don't know otherwise until you start to realize that the spiritual realm is. Is everything hinges on consent?
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Top Lobster
Well, yeah, it technically hinges on authority, like ownership. So you have no ownership there, even though they have no right to be there. Yeah, they're like, get out of here.
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David Lee Corbo
Similar situation, though. I'm not gonna hash out the whole story, but when I moved into a new house, I went through some strange stuff for a while until I realized Like, I am the new owner of this home and I have to take authority over it and tell these things to leave in the name of Christ, because they have no authority here. I am the one who owns this property. And I, I think, you know, it's all, it's all legalese, it's all consent. You said something that, that prompted a question in my mind here. You're talking about how somebody from your coven is now a Christian. And I wonder if we could talk a little bit about that. Your, your coven, you know, the people that you met, actually met up with in real life. What did you guys do together? And also what. Where I imagine these people become fast friends. So then what are their opinions when you stop showing up for your weekly witch meeting?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I mean, it was. So the coven was in high school and we remained friends like through our 20s. And obviously I'm still good friends. I'm in my 30s now and I'm still. She's my best friend. But we, so we would do some minor spells and like promise each other to each other and like, we're going to be friends forever. And we felt like the universe was like butterflies would like fly in and like land on us and stuff like when we were doing these things. So we took that to mean we're on the right track, we're doing the right thing, we're in one, we're one with mother Nature and all of that stuff. And so, and we did a lot of. It was mostly like studying and like palm reading and you know, all the cheesy, typical like new age occulting.
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David Lee Corbo
Ouija boards.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
No, we never did a Ouija board. But we did do tarot cards. We did do the tarot cards. And we all, we believed in reincarnation. And like I believed I had committed suicide in a previous life and I had a lot of suicidal predications. And I, yeah, I struggled with self harm and so did, so did my friends in the coven, which we didn't know that until later on in life when we like talked about it with one another. Like we all were experiencing self harm. And yeah, so I mean, so she became a Christian first and she admitted to me that she was a conservative and I was still, you know, up to my eyeballs in the occult and was like shocked because I had blue hair and facial piercings and I could not believe that my best friend was a conservative. And then when she became a Christian, I was like.
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David Lee Corbo
What?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Who are you? I don't even know who you are. But because of our history, I did not, like, flip out at her, but I. I think that that is, like, was a seed that helped to lead me out of that path too.
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David Lee Corbo
So what was her experience that drove her? Because I imagine she had to explain this to you. What had her back away and become, you know, a conservative and a Christian.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I'm not sure about the conservative part, but her mother was diagnosed with cancer, and she began going to church. The mother began going to church, and she survived the cancer. And my friend had done all of this praying. And I think she saw there. I forget the specifics, but she saw some sort of, like, confirmation from God that he was real and present and that her mother was going to be healed. And she was healed. So I'm not. She needs to get up on the Internet and share her testimony. So when she watches this, like, you need to get on and share your testimony.
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David Lee Corbo
So, yeah, we'd be very interested in talking to her. Oftentimes it's a personal experience that causes somebody to. To pivot in that way. And, you know, based off of what you're describing here, that fits that bill. When you were immersed in this and you were convinced that there were spiritual entities and various ways that you could affect things on the spiritual realm, did you have an outlook of good and evil, or were these things not so cut and dry in your mind? And there was no greater good and greater evil?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I thought everything was gray. It was all shades of gray. I didn't believe in, like, I felt every. There was no true evil. There was no true good. So, like, even in terms of, like, the Holocaust, like, I felt like, well, these people, we don't know, like, these people's, like, lived experience and how we don't know what, like, drove them anyway, is not real. But I thought everything was gray, so I didn't because. Or anything.
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David Lee Corbo
So, yeah, as I feel like I turned this corner one day in my perception of the world, where I very much thought that there was a much greater gray area in all matters. And as I got older, I realized that that gray area is a place that you can get stuck in and become indecisive and a bit of a fence sitter. And in all matters cultural, political, and spiritual, I think the middle is almost just as bad as the bad side. You know what I mean?
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Top Lobster
So we're.
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David Lee Corbo
We're perceiving everything as mostly gray. And there is no greater good or evil. There is, in fact, a greater good and evil, and you're either on the side of good or really it's just all the bad side because these entities, if they can't get you to adhere to them, they just certainly don't want you to adhere to God. So they'll take even sitting in the middle.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, I agree. Like, I. So I saw everything as gray back then and now. Like you said, the older that I get and the more experience I have, it's so there's everything. It's black or white. You know what I mean? Like, so when you're sitting in the middle, it's like there's a. You're still in the shadow, I think. Like there's. The shadow still has like, its control on you. And like, I think you can get closer and closer to the good. But yeah, like, if you're in a gray area, this shadow just has its claws in you and you just don't realize it. Yeah. Like in the Bible it says that he if you're not hot or cold, like if you're lukewarm, he's going to spit you out.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I think that it's very true.
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David Lee Corbo
And what's interesting is there's almost a feeling of altruism where, or. Or at least like somehow immersing yourself in the nuance is a. Is somehow seen as a good thing. And, And I, I do think there is something to be said about somebody who can see that there are finer details to a topic, but I think what is significantly greater is someone who is able to galvanize themselves. I mean, she had almost even to one side or the other. I said it yesterday when it was like we were talking about softer versions of. Of Satanism. And there are those who are doing it as a LARP and an affront to Christianity and a front to conservatism and things like that. And they don't really believe in this on a spiritual level. And I do think that that is almost worse than somebody who is convicted and says, these entities are real and I seek to serve them. Obviously that's terrible, but there is something bad about a lack of conviction. And then also to dedicate yourself to something that you don't even believe is real, dedicating, you know, a disproportionate amount of time to an act or a joke or, you know, sticking your nose up at another organization instead of pursuing something that you're passionate about is. Is. Is wild. I wanted to get back to this bird monster. We've kind of danced around this idea that this is likely Lilith because Lilith is described as the night monster. It's described as this harpy. It kind of sounds like you saw this more than twice. Is that. Is that the case? Have you seen this a lot?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So I, like I said I had those reoccurring dreams and then I didn't see. I had a fear of birds for, like this. This random fear of birds for years. And I don't know, I guess when I became a Christian, like, that went away, but I didn't recognize it until recently. And I. The. Yeah, I've only seen it a few times. And then like I said, the dream that was a bird woman, like, she had a female face. And then there were like, these feathers and like, like bird claws and like. But yeah, so, I mean, I didn't see there were like, owls and things that would, like, like, hang around my house and like, scream, like screen, like screech owls. And I'm sure you've come across it.
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David Lee Corbo
In your research that these things are correlated.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yes. And yeah, so I haven't. But ever since, like, that dream where, like, my son, like, stuck his Head in. I have not had any more like, encounters with. With her or it or whatever. And I don't have a fear of birds anymore. So I don't know if like, God delivered me at that point. I was an early Christian. When I first became a Christian, I still had a ton of New age beliefs and like, you know, I believed in like Christ consciousness and all of that stuff.
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David Lee Corbo
So I don't know sometimes how God sends us people. My. My wife. The same way your son poked his head into a dream. My wife had the uncanny ability to wake me up from sleep paralysis when I used to be plagued by it. And I. I mean, that was like, I was. I already really liked her, but that was. That helped a lot. Yeah. Because you know what it's like. It's like if you're in sleep paralysis, the. The feeling of dread and despair is so intense and to be. It very much feels like you're rescued from that when somebody wakes you up from it.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So you're like screaming for somebody to come and wake you up, right? Help me, help me. And everyone's just like, yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And so I always got the feeling that, you know, there's more than one reason why God will send a person to you. But when, when people that are so close to you also have that sort of a function, you know, who's closer to you than your son and then add another layer on it. He has the ability to pop his glowing head into your dream realm and cast out Lilith or whatever, you know. That's pretty. That's pretty handy.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, I agree. My. So just thinking about that. When, Whenever there's like a spirit that is trying to attach to me, I'll get. I'll hear a ringing, like a super loud. Like a ring, like sort of like tinnitus. But it's like, it's a short time, you know. So the first time it happened to me was when I prayed over that girl's house without her permission. I, like, heard that ringing. And then later on that night, I. I thought that something was going to happen the first time that h. Like when I prayed. And later on that night, my son, the one with the dreams. I have three children. So the one with the dreams had some. He was. I was standing in my bedroom and he was in the living room and he started yelling like, who's there? Who's there? So I, I came running in and he said that somebody had clapped right in front of his face. And then he was like, is it possible for angels to be evil? Is what he said to me. And I was like, oh, that's an upsetting question, actually.
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Top Lobster
Actually, yeah, that's how Genesis 6.
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David Lee Corbo
That's a very unsettling question, though.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, I had never brought that up to him before. He came to that conclusion on his own. But I say that the ringing for me was like, oh, maybe that means that there's a spirit trying to attach to me. So I've had it happen numerous times since then. And the night when the spirit attached to my son and was, like, in him and, like, torturing him, I heard it then, too. Well, my husband is a Freemason, and I have been praying for discernment, like, for God to give my husband discernment. Help him to. If the root of Freemasonry is evil, help him to see it. Because as his wife, it's. I can't say, like, you're not allowed to do this. You know what I mean? Like, he's. He is the head of our home. He is. I don't. I don't want him to, like, resent me or feel controlled or whatever. So I've been praying. Yeah. So we had. He had put up this big Freemason poster with, like, all of these symbols all over it in our closet, which that's. We have a large closet with, like, a chair and stuff. So that's where he would sit and do his thinking or scrolling or whatever. So I had been praying for discernment for him. And one morning recently, all of a sudden, he starts hearing this ringing. And he's like, my ears ringing. And I run up to him and I'm like, I bind you, spirit, in the name of Jesus. And it stopped. He was like. And he used to have seizures as a kid. And he said he would hear the ringing before he would have seizures. And they couldn't. He had, like, scans done, and they couldn't identify a cause for the seizures. Right. So he heard the ringing, and I ran up and I bound it. And I was like, I. I cast you out, devil. Like, come out. Like that kind of stuff. And he was like, what is happening right now? But it stopped. It stopped. And then he was, like, freaked out. And this happened right in front of the poster. And I was like, can we get rid of the poster? And he said, yes.
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David Lee Corbo
What's on the poster?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
There's a bunch of Freemason. So it was like, the history of Freemasons and, like, a line. And it had, like, all the different branches of Freemasonry. There's tons of them and, like, history and Symbols. And. Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
So is he still in it?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah. And he hasn't he. I don't. I don't know if he's been to a session since that happened, so I don't know. We'll see.
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David Lee Corbo
I wonder, when it comes to the ringing, that's actually very fascinating to me.
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Top Lobster
Everybody, we're about to drink. Everyone's about to drink.
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David Lee Corbo
No, no, no, no. I'm not going that way. I was just gonna say it's something that happens to, I would imagine, everybody, and it certainly happens to me. And when it does happen to me, I feel the overwhelming urge that I should be paying attention to something specific at that moment, although I never can lock into whatever it is. And I just wonder if there's a. There's a significance to that, because there are certain things that happen in the human experience that everybody experiences, but we give very little credence to. For example, deja vu is a. Is a fascinating one in the sense that everybody experiences it, but there's simply nothing to be said about it. And what's even more wild is you can kind of call it like a feeling or a sensation. People have sensations that everybody understands. I'm. Well, I'm hungry. That means you got to eat something. Or I'm sad. It's because something sad happened. It's weird that we all have this conjoined sensation of, well, it feels like time itself is repeating. I've lived this moment before to some extent, and, oh, it's still going. It's still going. And then all of a sudden, it ends, and you're like, yeah, it's done now. But it was going on for, like, 45 seconds and.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Glitch in the Matrix.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And it's just strange because everybody has that feeling, but there's no information to derive from the experience, so there's no discussion to be had. So even though we all know what it feels like to have time repeating on some sort of strange loop, there's nothing to be said about it. And so I just find that insane that you know what that feeling is. And it's the same way with the ringing in the ears. There's so much folklore built around it. It's like, well, when your ears are ringing, someone's talking about you.
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Top Lobster
Ah. Yep.
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David Lee Corbo
And even that is like, oh, so you think this is significant too, Right? Like, that's. That's the real takeaway from it, in my opinion, is like, oh, people have always thought that this is significant, but, you know, there's a bunch of different reasons for It. And so when you say that, I mean, how would you describe it? What is your interpretation? When your ears start ringing, that is your cue to look for what.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I think it's like a spiritual alarm, essentially. Like the. I don't know if it's the spirit or your body is, like, feeling something happening in the spirit realm. And my opinion is like, our consciousness is, like, out here, and our brains are like a filter for our consciousness. And I think that entities are able to come into us through whatever is happening out here in the spirit realm. So I think we're spiritual beings and a material body. Right. So I think that when the ringing is happening, there is a demon attempting to infiltrate you.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's fascinating.
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Top Lobster
Well, that's. I mean, it makes a lot of sense with the COVID stuff, right where you had to stay six feet away. There's something about that, like, toroidal field. Have you ever seen that donut around you? I believe that, too. You can tell when someone, just another physical being is close to you. You don't even. You don't have to see them. You just kind of, like, feel them. There's like a weird magnetic chart. So I don't doubt that that happens with the spiritual realm. But I was. I was getting at the. We should all drink because I thought you were going to. Jerry Marzinski with. With the noise. Licensed psychotherapist in the field for 35 years, yada, yada, yada. We tell this story a thousand times. But one of his stories, he's sitting at his desk, and he's talking to a patient, and he hears a crackling noise that travels across his. His wall, behind his head and into a garbage can. And it turns out that that crackling noise wasn't some kind of entity that was talking to his patient, telling him to kill him right then and there. And he.
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David Lee Corbo
He.
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Top Lobster
He heard it. He perceived it as like a free. As like a TV static, which actually goes back to your TV static, man. It's like a. Like this crackling TV static noise that's traveling across. Across the wall. So these things are here, but we're perceiving them as frequency or vibration, which is.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. And the same thing will happen in sleep paralysis. Associated with the phenomenon. There is this. Everybody drink. Associated with this phenomenon of sleep paralysis is this intense. Some people will describe it as a vibration. It's like a buzzing. I felt it as what felt like. I've never been tasered, but it seemed like a Taser, almost like I had been electrocuted. There was current running through my body. It was so powerful that it was audible, but also I could feel it in my bones. So I didn't even have to hear it because I think if something, you know, they have those headphones, you could put them on, they don't even go in your ears. They rest on your skull and you could still hear clear as day, Even though this is resonating through your skull instead of through your eardrums. Yeah, I think that I wouldn't even have had to have audibly heard it. I still would have gotten that sensation either way because it just felt like I was being electrocuted. So my body stiffens up. And the emotion, by the way, that's associated with this type of frequency is dreadful. And when I say that, I mean, I know this is old hat sleep paralysis, which is almost. I feel bad. In this realm that we're in where we're discussing conspiracy and spirituality, we just. Nobody wants to hear about sleep paralysis anymore. It's kind of this whole thing. Right.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I think it's cool.
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David Lee Corbo
I mean, I. I think it's fascinating. But it, it evokes this feeling of dread unlike any other experience. It's. It's unnatural. It doesn't even feel like it's your dread. It feels like it's been given to you, like you're the recipient of this feeling instead of it being generated from within. And it's. It's a doozy. So it's like whatever's going on. There's the minor version, it seems like where you can get that frequency, but it's an audible one. And maybe you're right, maybe it's an alarm sounding off. And then if you dial that all the way up, it's like somehow your spirit is in danger. And that's accompanied with a physical sensation, an audible sensation, you know, this intense buzzing and, and vibration. And, you know, it's. But it's. It all seems to be the same thing. Just dialed down or up.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I didn't even make that connection. But I think that's. I. I mean, that's exactly, I think that's exactly right. I have not even. I have not made that connection. The same thing happens to me. And like I used to astral project and you sort of use sleep paralysis and like that state to. It's like you're. You're switching channels, so you have to like, sort of ride the wave, like as like your frequencies change with like the buzzing. You can like send yourself out of your body. So it is, it's literally like that on a smaller scale that is, I think, wow, that's profound.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, okay. Because we're going into something that is endlessly fascinating to both Top and I. I think we don't talk about it, but I, I do believe every time somebody mentions astral projection, me and Top, we both kind of like go on.
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Top Lobster
What did you say you do?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, go on. This experience, how does it get on your radar? How did you end up practicing it? What are some of the results that it's yielded?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Okay, so as a kid, I, when a trick that I would have when I was falling asleep, I would know that I was almost asleep because I could see through my eyelids. And I was like, okay, I'm almost asleep because I can see through my eyelids. And then as an adult, I heard about astral projection and I was like, that's stupid. And then I heard, I read on the CIA website, Project, Project Stargate, and how the CIA has confirmed that essentially astral projection is a real phenomenon. And so I was like, okay, I'm going to try this. So I started reading about people's experiences and how seeing through your eyelids is one of the ways you know, like, you've done it or, or one of the ways, you know, like, it can seem like you're. Because you are awake, but it's also not reality. So sometimes you can think, am I dreaming? Am I really awake? Like, what is that? Like, especially if you don't know about astral projection, like, have you ever had an alarm go off like when, like when you were a kid and you would get up and get ready and then you would wake up again and you would realize you would never do anything. Yeah, that's essentially. Some people say that, like, that's astral projecting is like you were astral projecting, but you didn't realize it and you were just like, go about your day and then you would wake up again or so that. So I had that happen all the time. Right. So I, I forget exactly how I discovered about it, but I, I learned how to do it. There's many different methods you can use, but the one I would use was intentionally triggering sleep paralysis and then using the vibrations to essentially, like, eject yourself like, into the spirit realm or the astral realm.
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David Lee Corbo
When you say that you can see through your eyelids, you're seeing your room still. Right. Like, in other words, you're drifting off to sleep, but suddenly you're able to see your room again.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yep.
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Top Lobster
But then vibrations are. The vibrations you're describing are like when you're because when I have sleep paralysis, it feels like, like I am being like just like violent. It's uncomfortable. It's like electrocuted. Okay, so you're actually using that to slip.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Right, Right.
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David Lee Corbo
So that's interesting because I hate that state of being, like, yeah, I don't want to hang out there at all.
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Top Lobster
I tell the story all the time. I. Sorry, go. Go ahead.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So your brain, your brain waves shift when you enter into sleep mode. When your body goes into sleep, your brain waves become larger and deeper and you are, your brain is always sending out waves, but we can't feel them because they're so like high pitched so fast. Like, it's just. We don't, we don't perceive it. But in sleep paralysis, you're feeling your brain waves and they're, they go throughout. Like you said, there's a whole field around you full of waves that you are emitting. And so with sleep paralysis, you're feeling your sleep cycle brain waves. I forget what they're called.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, like theta.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, something like that. So when you want to astral project you, instead of fighting those waves, you lean into them and eventually you'll be able to sit up. There's different ways to leave your body, but when you're, when you're in sleep paralysis, instead of like screaming and like trying so hard, like just lean into it and then you can like eventually roll out. I, I would do the roll out method, but there's different ways I would do the.
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Top Lobster
This is what I said. I tell you guys all the time when, like I'll watch the, the Yankee game, watching Michael K. Sitting in my uncle's living room. Same sort of thing. I, I suppose it's like a paralysis. Like a. Because it's like, it's an uncomfortable, there's an uncomfortable, like feeling. I could, like, I can audibly hear it. I'm. My, my hearing is zoomed in on Michael K. Talking, but there's like a weird vibration around me. And then I'll just be out of my body. But like, I'd never go far. I'm like in the corner of the room watching myself and my uncle and my dad watch tv. And I'm like, what the is this? Hated it. But it always happened. Like I said, it always happened. Watching the Yankees in this one place. Like the conditions in this place were correct for that to happen. Maybe the type of TV that it was coming through, I don't, I don't know. But it's not something that I like to do.
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David Lee Corbo
Sometimes I think as A child, you kind of create the conditions too. So if there's a familiar aspect to this, it almost falls into the realm of like ritual. So here I am again in the same environment with the same people watching the same thing, in the same state of mind. And I think that sometimes that's enough to put us in a, a form of autopilot and it allows our consciousness to do something else because we've been here so many times. This is a well worked groove. So I used to have a similar thing where I'd be watching the TV at night, you know, same thing, sitting on my. Well, I slept on like a futon as a kid and I'd be on the futon, I'd be watching the show. It's you know, the same time at night and I would always go through the same sensation where I would get like tunnel vision and the room would seem incredibly stretched out and the TV would get really small and far away feeling and then all that kind of weird stuff would start happening. So sometimes I think, you know, just because you mentioned, is it the type of TV or something? I think even that probably, yeah, like Those old tube TVs in particular, I think they probably have a certain way because they are often tied into this experience. You know, going back to that description of static. Like that static sensation when you first turn a tube TV on and it changes the vibe of the room. You can tell when it gets turned off and electrical buzzing stops and the atmosphere changes. Well, yeah, there's even a lot of different elements.
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Top Lobster
Like with, with the guitar, people will kill you over solid state amps versus tube amps which are solid state is just like computer chips and stuff. Sounds really good. So you guys wouldn't be able to tell. But if you're like an experienced guitar player and you have a tube amplifier, well, a modern day solid state amplifier could replicate the exact sound and tone and all that stuff that you're going to get. So you'll sound like Carlos Santana. But if you're actually playing through his stack with, with the tube amplifier with like a Marshall stack, whatever he's playing, there's a different feeling to it. There's a different tonality like on you and you're keenly aware of that. Whereas. So there is something to that technology and like it's, it's, it's being played with, there's a replication of it and.
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David Lee Corbo
You'Re changing the atmosphere of, of the area that you're in, which I think is, is, you know, certainly it's going to have Its sort of implications when it comes to this thing, if these things are all based off of frequency and, and harmonics. But I wanted to ask you, when you're doing this, what's kept me from doing this is the overwhelming feeling that something in the room was, you know, something was there and it was negative.
- [77:51]
Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And I think that that played a pretty great role in me resisting this at all costs and trying to get back to a normal state. Well, what I'm asking you was.
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Top Lobster
Did.
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David Lee Corbo
You not have that sensation? Was, was, was your feeling of slipping into sleep paralysis something that was much more neutrally emotionally charged? Because for me, it was supremely negatively emotionally charged. And I didn't want to hang out in whatever state of existence this was any longer.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
It was always negative until I wanted to do the astral projection. So it. Right. So I would always feel attacked. And I always assumed that there was some sort of like, paranormal aspect to any time I would have like a sleep paralysis attack. But with the astral projection there, it wasn't like that. Like, it wasn't terrifying. And I mean, but I also really wanted to do it. And I would sort of like, pray to my higher self, my higher self to help me in getting out of my body. So I don't know.
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David Lee Corbo
Interesting. Do you think that you were, were you praying to some aspect of yourself or was something else standing in that position pretending?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I think there was something exterior helping me out because I had more success when I would do that, like pray to my higher self to help me get out versus not. And I don't know, I think undeniably there are spiritual aspects to it, you know, so I never saw anything particularly terrifying. I did have a couple of encounters with like, entities, but I like, pretty quickly after learning how to astral project and like figuring out how to do it, I became a Christian. And. And then I started having. We had like these demonic attacks and stuff and like, so I sort of dropped off of that. And now whenever sleep paralysis starts, starts to happen, I know what it is that's happening. So. And just like saying Jesus or praying is like, releases me from it. So I think that actual projection, I mean, it's fun, it's, it's exciting getting to like, go into the astral realm, but I think it leaves you very vulnerable. And like, I've spoken to people where something like they felt like something rode back in with them and then now they have another presence like that is in their body. And I think most people have like, spirits attached to them, but they don't recognize that they don't feel that they're there. They're not like constantly being tormented. So they just. But in this case with this person, they could feel that there was an entity with them after doing it. And so, you know, like you can supposedly, if you run into a negative, a low vibration being, AKA a demon, that you can send love or positive energy at it and it's supposed to like make it go away. But I mean, I just think that's a load of BS.
- [81:21]
David Lee Corbo
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Top Lobster
A little pray to the universe.
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David Lee Corbo
Great example. Top yes, you pray to the universe. Well then something's going to pick that up and they're going to run with it and they're going to show you something that seems promising to get you on the line. But when it comes to God, you've got to be very specific. I do believe he answers prayers, but it can't be the universe, you know, whoever that, some amorphous thing. Do you think that, that I, I agree.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
100 like absolutely. And God does answer prayers, sometimes very quickly. Like I'll be praying for like I feel like deliverance has been placed on my heart and that God wants me to move toward, like to try and help set people free who are in Bondage, like I was in bondage and I feel like God has placed that on my heart. So like recently I was praying, lord, please let me see deliverance, please help me, please use me for deliverance. And literally the next morning I had a friend who is under spiritual attack call me and say I need to come over, I need prayer, I need help. Like that happened like literally within like 10 hours of me praying that. And yeah, so things like, things like that will happen. Like God will let you know. He lets me know at least that he is listening. And I don't know some weird stuff like that will happen sometimes.
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David Lee Corbo
I agree. I've always been cautious in my prayers in that I, I do think they have to pass through a filter. It's like, are you praying for something frivolous? Yeah, because I think that's foolish. Right. So I've never been the type to pray for that sort of thing.
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Top Lobster
But.
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David Lee Corbo
I try to make sure that my prayers are two things of a spiritual nature and first and foremost in alignment with, with God's will. So in other words, if I'm praying for something that's just not in the cards for me or for somebody else, it's not part of God's plan, then so be it. But it has to fundamentally be part of God's, you know, greater will. Yeah, I mean, can we talk a little bit then about. I know you said you had some altercations or some run ins with some entities and, and the way that you said that made it sound like there's not too much to unpack there, that these were maybe cursory interactions but I would be interested in hearing them. It's like when you're astral projection or astral projecting rather, where are you going? And even if these things were small, these interactions to you, what, what were they like?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So I wanted to go to like Stonehenge and see the hinges in Scotland also. And like I've never been to Europe so I wanted to travel to Europe and see you know, all of the, the different hinges, the thing and like the stone like where ancient people place all these massive stones. And so I would go there and also I like astral projected to this place in Scotland and like I, my heritage is Scottish and Swedish is, that's primarily. And a little bit of German but so I was very interested in like the Scottish side. And so I went, I came to this place and they used to have, they would like put way back in the day they would like use the ground as like a part of like their Structure and they would like dig into the ground and then also have like put like grass and like turf and stuff like on top of their buildings. So it was like this. I felt like I had time traveled and I went back and was like seeing these structures, how they would have been. And there was a dog entity there that was sort of like a guardian of sorts and. Yeah, I don't know. That's weird.
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David Lee Corbo
No, no, no. This is. You're touching on something that seems to kind of peek its head out very often. This, this element of the dog in particular. You know, obviously if you're a fan of Tony Merkel's, you're familiar with the concept of dogman.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yep.
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David Lee Corbo
There's certainly the, the concept of hellhounds.
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Top Lobster
Even Anubis.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. So these dog headed deities. And then of course, going back to what I was talking about with my, my son, this, this dog entity with red eyes that, that spoke English. It's interesting because dogs do seem to have some place in the hierarchy in the spiritual realm, whether or not they're humanoid or even just, you know, like a, like a, a quad. Quad pedal. A four legged dog. Yeah. Doesn't always have to be a dude walking around with a dog head. I just think that's that strange. Is it ever daytime when you're astral projecting?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yes, I have. Yeah. And so this time that I'm describing was in the daytime. I was at home and it was daytime, but when I. Anyway, in this realm, it was daytime.
- [88:21]
David Lee Corbo
Okay.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah. And the, this being was like a guardian of sorts. A guardian of this area or like the timeline or something.
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David Lee Corbo
Did it feel negative?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yes, it was negative.
- [88:35]
David Lee Corbo
Oh yeah. He.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And it, it was. I got like a male impression, but he like essentially chased me out of it. Yeah. And so I fled that area.
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David Lee Corbo
But the immediate area of Stonehenge. You're saying this thing. No.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So this was. I felt like I had gone back in time or it was like some sort of alternative timeline. And it was like a. Someplace in Scotland and it was like how they used to have like ancient like Stone Age time. Like how they would have their houses and they would like use them, put them like into the ground. It was sort of like a hobbit. Ish. Like Hobbiton. Like a. Yeah, kind of a lot more like stone, but so that's like what it looked like. And then this being was guarding that area. Like I wasn't expecting him and he just like appeared and was surprised and angry and wanted me to leave.
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David Lee Corbo
So do you get the feeling that you were in a different time or maybe could you have been in a different realm or aspect of a physical location in our reality? Because oftentimes you hear the concept of this upside down.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And. And sometimes there are enough irregularities within the upside down that you may have, like, different structures where, like, generally it's the same geographical location. But sometimes there's enough variation where it's like that building didn't exist here, but it does there kind of.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
That's very much how it is. Like, when you astral project, it'll look the same, but in. In essence. But there will be differences. Like the. A house that has never had a fireplace will have a fireplace, for example. Or there'll be, like, extra buildings or things will be different colors. And it's. It's just. I don't know. I. I feel like there is, like, in the spirit world, there is like a whole society, like, thing, it looks like here, but just a little, like, different how they want it to be. But like, there's like a whole society, like a whole thing, whole existence going on all around us that we just have no idea about.
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David Lee Corbo
What is it? I've heard it described as. It almost looks like it functions like another society.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And then I. That makes me wonder about the function of the entities, beings, people, whatever, that inhabit that realm. What is. What is their lot in all of this? Are they aware of. Of them being in a realm that's parallel to ours? Are they aware of our realm?
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Top Lobster
Are they aware that they were born up?
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David Lee Corbo
Are they aware that we really don't like it when they show up?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, well, it's so. It's so weird. I think some of them intentionally hate us and don't want good for us, and they like to terrorize us. And then, like, the. Like. Dean, I don't think it's all demons, you know, Like, I. Because I. Because demons want to be like, in your body. Sinning. They enjoy sinning. They desire it. They need it. So when they jump in our. When they're with us and pushing us to do various things, like, I feel like they are receiving, like, the joy, the pleasure of whatever sin you have, like lust or whatever. And, like, that's why that they're. Well, that's why they're doing it. Because they're in chains of darkness, like in the spirit world. And they can't feel anything unless they're, like, inside a human body.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. But then on the other side of that, these people that are inhabiting this upside down almost seem like there's Some rhyme or reason, some functionality to that realm.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
I've even heard people describe, like. Yeah, or like they have a job. You know what I mean? Like, they're there. There's. Yeah. So I don't know. That doesn't strike me as some. Something that's yearning to inhabit a physical body so that it can sin as much as it's indicative of somebody just going through the motions of their everyday life. In fact, I've even heard it described where when you're astral projecting, they might be keyed into you being there but are freaked out because they can't see you. You know, so there's like. There's a lot of really weird stuff about this that y. Even on this show. Go ahead.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
My husband, we. He. He talked about this on the confessionals, but he saw a. A group of, like, little people. It, like. Like they were sort of, like, translucent is. And it was. It. It was at night, and they were standing next to this great tree, and it was like a circle of, like, little fairy dwarf people. And, like, him and two other people all saw the same thing, and they all were able to describe it to each other afterwards. But, like, what they. Like, they didn't. These people didn't do anything. Like, these little people, like, they. They recognized that my husband was there, and, like, they were, like, startled. And then my husband was terrified and ran away. And they all ran away. Right.
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David Lee Corbo
And if you have too much of a reductionist point of view, they don't. Then where do they fit in? It's like, these aren't angels or demons.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Right?
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David Lee Corbo
You know, like, what is that? And so, like, I was watching the movie. The original Hellboy films, which are actually, they. They age really well. I went back and watched them with my son recently, and in the second movie, they delve into this realm that's inhabited by sort of goblins and various. Almost like Celtic mythology creatures, like fairies and such. And the way they get there is there is a portal that is under the London Bridge, and they have to gain access to it by, like, speaking to the guard or whatever. And I think a lot of things are hidden in fantasy that rhyme with something in reality, you know, in fictional films. And I'm not saying that the base of the London Bridge has this other realm, but what I am saying is I've heard enough testimony from people that describe things that you shouldn't see outside of the film Hellboy or you shouldn't see outside of the film Lord of the Rings or you shouldn't see, you know, Insert your And. But yet here people are telling these stories and you can call them liars, but oftentimes there's patterns, if you care to look, that repeat themselves from one person's testimony to another that make you go, either everybody's lying or people are running into something that seemingly mirrors what we call, you know, fantasy Hollywood films. And, you know, the lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, Narnia. I've heard stories like that multiple times. I've seen. I know this is. I've seen videos where people all of a sudden came into contact with something that looked like a garden gnome. And all I can tell you is like, hey, it's just videos you see on the Internet. But of the ones that I've seen, the people are so horrified that they react like somebody who's genuinely afraid of a mouse. You ever see people, like, they get on a table and they're screaming and it's like, why are you so disproportionately afraid of this mouse? Well, some people have that of me that I just. Yeah, okay. So you'll know that that is a hard thing to fake. That's a very. When you see something that, you know, you're up on a chair and you're screaming. Well, I've seen people do that to things that look like gnomes. And. And then I've heard stories of people seeing gnomes. What. What business is there in this realm that we inhabit for tiny people with red pointy hats? But I've heard that story a lot more than I should have heard it for something that doesn't exist. So I am a Christian and I believe in Jesus Christ. But I also sometimes wonder, like, did the Bible just not bother to talk about the gnomes? Because it wasn't important necessarily to what the Bible was trying to get across. Because the Bible tells you something very specific. And there's so much that is under the sun that isn't in the Bible, which we know is real. Right? Like, I don't know if the Bible's talking about chimpanzees, but we know that chimpanzees are real. So I just wonder if that wasn't a component that made it, because that's not what this is about. That's out there, but this is telling you something very specific. But that is out there.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I think, like, I think it's a non salvation issue, and so it isn't. So I believe in Jesus. I. I know for a fact that I am a Christian. I love the Lord, I love Jesus. I believe that he died for our sins and rose again. And like he, he gives us authority to trample over serpents. I believe that 100%. But I do think that there is much more to the spirit realm and reality than could be explained in the Bible. And I think the Jewish people of the Old Testament were set apart from the rest of, you know, the world. The rest of the world at that time. And their stories, their history is very specific to themselves, but it leaves out the rest of the world, you know, so like there was a lot going on that isn't in the Bible. And I think that there's so much more. And I think in some ways it can be a distraction, like getting obsessed with fairies and things or whatever, or like astral project, like astral projecting. All of that I feel is a distraction from what's truly important, which is Jesus and helping people. There's so many people in bondage, so many people brainwashed. So like, it's just. And I think that that is what's truly important, is helping them and reaching them. But I do think that there is a lot more to reality. You know what I mean? Like, I think Bigfoot, fairies, Dogman, all of that is. It exists. But I think that they're like extra dimensional beings. Like they maybe they can cross, they have the ability to cross over into our realm at like certain times or at will, I don't know. But like, yeah, either everyone's wrong, everyone is lying, which.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
It seems impossible that every single person is lying, or there's something going on.
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David Lee Corbo
And I, I think that the really unfortunate thing about that body of information, Bigfoot, fairies, things like that, astral projection, is that because Christianity doesn't cover it in any meaningful way when a book on witchcraft in the teenage section of Barnes and Nobles covers it. Well, if you've had an experience or you've heard of an experience that just lodges itself in your brain and you just can't stop thinking about it. I was like, my friend said they saw little people with red hats or, you know, whatever the case may be, all of a sudden here it is in this book. Well, now this book is an authority on the, on the topic. And that's the problem is we get amazed by these spiritual encounters and then we find something that addresses it and that something then becomes our authority on the topic. And that.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, like a, like a book on witchcraft in the teenage section of Borders.
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David Lee Corbo
Right, right, exactly. So we're at the hour and a half mark. I really want to get into how you become disenchanted with this, you know, version of reality that. That witchcraft has offered you and how you make this trans transition over into Christianity.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So we had. So I had given birth. I decided to keep my baby. Okay. And some pre. Precursor. So I used to be addicted to opiates. I like lost my. My whole life fell all apart. And I was with this woman and for seven years and she introduced me to hard drugs and I lost everything and was basically living out of my car and homeless. And my husband, the man who would become my husband, got me into rehab. And I figured out eventually that. So I had had an abortion at 18 and like, the guy that I was with pressured me to get an abortion. And like, when I went. He went to like a metal show like that day and like, wasn't there for me. And. Yeah, and like, my mom drove me and she was a hardcore feminist. And anyway, so I started to torture myself. Basically. I swore off men. I became. I considered myself a lesbian. I would like, drink blackout drunk like almost daily. And I.
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David Lee Corbo
Because of the trauma associated with the abortion.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So I. My husband, the man that would become my husband got me into rehab and I got clean for. I was probably clean for like two or three years and was like waitressing and stuff. And then we got pregnant and we considered an abortion. And somebody at the clinic told me that when you have a baby and you decide to keep the baby, the universe will make everything work out. It will make reality work out. Things will fall into place. So I decided to keep the baby and I gave birth to him. And I. While I was nursing him one day. Oh. So. So I. When I was pregnant, I was nine months pregnant. I suddenly remembered that I probably had a 401k. And we didn't know how we were going to make ends meet. We didn't know what we were going to do. He was working at some like, lame job at a antique store. I was waitressing and bartending. And I was like, how are we going to do this? But then suddenly one day I remembered, hey, I have a 401k from that job that I lost due to drug addiction. And I went to go look and it turns out that I had $75,000 in my 401k. So I was like, oh, okay.
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David Lee Corbo
Balling out of control.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Thanks, universe. But if I had remembered that I had had this 401k before I got pregnant, I would have used all. I would have blown it all on drugs, right? I got a severance package of like $25,000 and I blew all of that in three months on drugs. So like I would have died, I'm sure, like something would have happened. But anyway, it worked out.
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David Lee Corbo
Can I just say as an aside, I've known a lot of people who have been through very similar situations to yours and at the peak of when they would be, they would have this proclivity to abuse drugs and live a debaucherous lifestyle. They often fall into an incredible amount of money. I mean that happens in so many, I know individuals that I can count, I think exceeding, like certainly exceeding one hand who at the height of their drug use their, their debaucherous lifestyle would come into more money than I've ever seen in my life. And it would come and go and they'd blow it on all kinds of crap and then it would just be a funny story in hindsight. And I go, you have nothing to show for it. They go, no, I have nothing to show for it. But I just find that funny because you want to talk about the universe providing. Well, it seems like maybe there's even something that wants to provide you with fuel to the fire that you're burning.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
I just see that a lot. I, I know maybe that's in an outlying thing, maybe not a lot of other people have seen that. I've seen that a lot.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I, I, I mean I believe it. And you know, I think that there are like spiritual, I think there's something spiritual to most things that happen in the natural. There's like a spiritual side to it now anyway. But Right. So I blew all of that money, $25,000. I had literally $25,000 and I blew it all on drugs. It all disappeared. But I had a 401k this that whole time. And I think that God like kept it from my memory or something. I had no idea. And then suddenly I remembered when I was nine months pregnant that, and didn't know what to do, that I had $75,000. So I used, I bribed my husband and I was like, I will pay off the truck if you marry me. And I paid off his truck and he married me. And so, and we bought our house and it made everything and I became a stay at home mom. And which I never thought in a million years would ever happen. I was not one of those girls who dreamed about getting married, what my wedding was going to be like and how many kids I was going to have. I didn't want any of that and here I am. But anyway, so after I had my son, I was sitting there nursing him and we are. We didn't have a dryer. And I would hang up my husband's clothes, his work clothes. And out of. All of a sudden I see one of the shirts, like something pinched the corner and, like, let go. And the shirt, like, started swinging. And I was like, but they're like, what other explanation could there be? There was. There was no bug there, no windows were open, like the air wasn't on. Like, there was no logical explanation for what I just saw, other than perhaps a spirit of some sort. And so a lot of weird stuff started happening. And my husband was getting sleep paralysis and he started seeing things. And I looked into. I got like a bunch of sage and like burned it. And like, I was into witchcraft still at that time. And we got this spirit out, but I realized that, like, the demonic was real. Okay. And I was like, this was a demon. My husband saw like this tall, like lanky white thing in our home and.
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Top Lobster
A rake.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Huh?
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Top Lobster
A rake.
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David Lee Corbo
It's an archetype, right? It's this, this entity. There's shadow people. There's the long, lanky skinwalker type, Skin walker type, right? Yeah. These things repeating archetypes of, you know, certainly these things can be broken down into categories.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
That's interesting. So. So all that happened, right? And while all this is going on, my dad is sending me Jordan Peterson videos. And I would watch these videos looking for things to argue with so that I could like, find things to like, tell my dad, like, you're an idiot. Like, I'm right. And this is why you need to embrace socialism is essentially like what I was doing. And. But I started watching enough of them to where like these seeds would start getting planted. And I, instead of like finding things to argue with, he, like, made a lot.
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David Lee Corbo
Cleaning my room, right?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I started cleaning my room and I started thinking about, like goals and things. And he. But so I had a lot of free time on my hands because I was a stay at home mom. So I consumed like all of his college courses that he, like, he. At that time, he had them all free on YouTube. And so in these courses he talks about Carl Jung and shadow work. And shadow work is essentially where you go into your shadow. The things about yourself that you've like, suppressed and you incorporate those things back into your personality to become a whole person. So I was like, why not? I'll just do this. So I. The way you can tell what's in your shadow is by looking at other people. And like, the things that really annoy you and other people are what are in your shadow. So it's like a part of like projection, like when like people project their issues onto other people. It's sort of like a similar vein. But so at that time, like I said, I was literally had blue hair as a blue haired liberal. And so naturally the thing that I thought immediately jumped to mind were like MAGA people. So in rehab I, I had this guy that was in rehab with me who would wear like MAGA hats and we would get into screaming matches and like one of us would like leave the room or whatever. And so I hated this guy. And I was like, okay, that's the guy that pisses me off the most. So in my mind I was like trying to sympathize with him and like, I don't, I don't know, like empathize with a conservative standpoint. So I got on Google and I was trying to find conservative media. And it is so like at that time I had no idea that about like the echo chambers, like we literally are in echo chambers. Like I would try and find anything conservative and all I would get was like CNN or MSNBC or Rachel Maddow, which was all the stuff I was already consuming. So that was the first time I really realized that there, something weird was happening where like I couldn't find conservative viewpoints. They just were not available to me. So I did eventually find the Daily Wire and I tried to listen to a few of their podcasts.
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David Lee Corbo
And you found Ben Shapiro to be insufferable.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Like, I don't know if he could speak any faster. He's just. But anyway, he. Right, so, but I would try and listen to his podcast and like, I would get so angry at the things that they were saying, like about Obama or Hillary Clinton, that I literally could not understand what they were saying. Like I, I would be so mad, I literally, I couldn't hear it. So I, I would have to go back and like re watch things again to like try and like push myself aside to listen. So. But I, in that I learned how to set aside my emotions and look logically at a situation. And, and before that, all I did was ride on my emotions. So things started, my worldview started to shift at that point and I started to get into the Joe Rogan experience. And in his interview, his first interview with Ben Shapiro, he asks Ben, like why he believes in God. And Ben Shapiro starts talking about the image of God and what that means. And he essentially says God placed man in a logical ordered universe. And to carry to be the image of God is to be is to understand the universe and to be able to steward the, to steward reality. And we're the only beings, the only material beings that are able to do that. And he said it in a much more eloquent way, but that's a. Essentially what he said and that I don't know why God used this, but that's what he used. And it was as if he touched my forehead like and like I just. The scales fell away and I saw that God was real and that I have been like, I had been on the wrong path completely. And so I still didn't think Christianity was the truth. I was like, Christians are stupid. They are judgmental and smelly and I don't like Christians. And so I was like, I'm gonna read the Hebrew Bible and learn Hebrew and maybe I'll convert to Judaism. So I did that. I started to teach myself Hebrew and read the Old Testament and the, in Isaiah it barely very clearly and in Psalms there are very clear references to Jesus, to somebody being crucified, to somebody like being killed, resurrected.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And I was like, oh, that's weird. So I hadn't been raised. My parents taught me that like there was no way to prove that Jesus existed and that faith is blind and etc. So I got online and it's very easy to just look it up. But Jesus was a historical person and even secular scholars, most of them agree that Jesus was a real person that walked the earth. And that was like mind blowing to me. And then I discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls and in the Dead Sea Scrolls are Isaiah, the scrolls of Isaiah and they've been carbon dated to pre exist Jesus the time that Jesus would have existed. And if you compare the Isaiah scrolls to the scrolls that we use for like ESV translations, for example, they're identical, exactly the same. So there was a prophecy about Jesus that existed, has been proven to exist before Jesus walked the earth as like a material person. And it, that was mind blowing to me. So I logically converted and then I, that it took a little bit of time and then I repented for the abortion, for being an occultist and I received the Holy Spirit and like I was healed of cigarette smoking. I like complete. I felt my desires change. Like I had been a lesbian for almost a decade before that. So like those desires though have like completely melted away. And I don't, I don't know if that was. It's a heart change, you know what I mean?
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David Lee Corbo
So talk about a paradigm shift for you because you, you, you go from a world view that's completely informed by emotional decisions.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
I mean, that's. That's. That's very much what it seems like. And I do think that emotion, because we're emotional and we're logical, and that's kind of the divide. And this negative spiritual realm feeds off of our emotions and manipulates us through them. So you go from a world that's dominated by the emotional viewpoint to a world that is navigated quite successfully, considering where. Where you've ended up in your spiritual path. It's dominated by logic, not caring about your feeling.
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Top Lobster
I.
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David Lee Corbo
Right.
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Top Lobster
I took the same. Almost the same exact steps, like Larry Elder, Ben Shapiro, Jordan Peterson, which is the top lobster name. That's from his book about the lobster. Yeah. Joe Rogan. And then it's a. I don't know where you're at now. And it. I don't. I don't know. That's your own path. But, like, I kind of out. Not that I outgrew these people, but I feel like they've changed a little bit. Their messages.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
They're a lot more about censorship now or whatever. I don't. I don't know, like, the weird stuff about, like, censoring free speech on Twitter.
- [116:42]
David Lee Corbo
And Peterson, too, when he's going off about, like, you've got to take the vaccine. Like, he's spiraling about it.
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Top Lobster
And there was a change. There's money involved. There is other nefarious. But it's one of these things where they'll tell you 100 truths and then this one lie to deviate you from the path. And I'm looking at Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, which. I never knew his real motives, but to me, they've deviated from the path that I'm going towards right now. But it's fine because they. They put me on this path and they kind of the same thing. Like, I was like, I had to, like, really listen to what this guy was saying a couple of times because I was resistant to what he was saying. But something about it made me come back to it. And good for you. For like, because it's hard when you have somebody, like, basically debunking your entire ideology and.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Your entire worldview. It's real easy to be like, screw you and never go back. But, like, you went back and you listen. You're like, wait, there was. But there was something here.
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David Lee Corbo
It bothered me to. Ben Shapiro. And you went back. You were like, I know that was hard, but there's something here.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, well, I mean, so it wasn't. So I It was more so like Clavin. I couldn't stand Ben Shapiro for a long time. Like the whole, what was it called? They had like this whole movement where.
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Top Lobster
It was intellectual dark web.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
That's right, yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And I still have, you can see Peterson's books are right here. I have both of them and they serve a purpose. But he had a tendency to reduce everything to strictly allegory. And these allegories being maps by which you can, you know, navigate and become a more effective person. And you're. They miss yourself to your family, to your community five years from now.
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Top Lobster
He misses a lot of like the spiritual stuff, but the actual spirit maybe.
- [118:34]
Shannon (Mama Shah)
Maybe like I think there but not there. He's like right on the edge and he's just you.
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David Lee Corbo
And I'm having trouble deciding if that's. Is that nefarious or not.
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Top Lobster
Is that. Yeah, it's. Maybe it's purposeful. Purposeful. But there's also a tier of people, like how you're describing, like if, you know, if you're a blue haired feminist, you're not going to come to this show and have your mind changed. This show is for people who are already sort of red pilled and we're taking that next step. So there's like levels and portals that you've got to step through in order to get to, I guess where I'm at, I get, and I hope that we're at where the truth is or at least where we're like one step closer. We're taking that walk. But you know, Peterson had his, his dissection of the, the book of Genesis is tremendous. Yeah, he misses a lot of important spiritual points. But the philosophical, the philosophical reasoning that he applies to it is just, it's irreplaceable. And it's something I've listened to a bunch of times and I should go back and listen again. But I just feel like lately the world has gotten like, like we're moving real fast to wherever we're going. So I'm like, all right, we have to catch up and we've got to tell the people. But I don't know, I don't know, maybe everyone has a place.
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David Lee Corbo
Peterson really nails raising children. Yeah, he nails that, man. I think he nails that. And it's a shame what's happened to him. We'll always have these books, you know, of this guy who was. And it was incredible information. It was very important.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
But yeah, I think he's a human being, you know. Yes, he's human, just like the rest of Us.
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David Lee Corbo
And, well, that's provided that it's even him anymore. Because I look at that and I'm like, is that Sasha Barra Cohen in a. In a two tone suit? I don't even know anymore. I don't know if that's really him. I have no idea. But, you know, you're right. He's. He's just a dude.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah. And, like, there were a lot of people who were saying, oh, he's the. The last prophet, and things like that, because he seemed like this wise man that the world really needed, and we did need him.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And I think, you know, he stood, he was ringing the alarm long before, years before everything fell apart with like, the gender stuff and the attacks on free speech and it. I mean, you know, even. Even David had a fall. You know, David had a fall, Moses had a fall. All of these men of the Bible are human. And they all had their pitfall. Solomon, they all had that. God used them and he was with them. But they did have. They fell away at some point, you know.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And like, he can still redeem him and bring him back. But I think it's ironic how his claim to fame was freedom of speech.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And he has, like, reneged on that because of. What was it? It was.
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Top Lobster
Demon trolls on Twitter. He's blocked me on Twitter for being a demon troll when I was just telling him that. Telling the truth as I saw it. Yeah. You created me. Now look at me, Father. But now we're. My. My breaking off point with him was right around Covid, where, you know, one of his things, his claim to fame to me was tell the truth or at least don't lie and don't apologize to the mob.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And.
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Top Lobster
And, you know, it's like 2021, and he. He's talking to Trudeau on Dave Rubin show, and he's like, I took your damn vaccine. Now give me my freedoms back. And it's like, that's not how it works, Jordan. You knew that from 2018. You've said that. It's in your books. And here you are making a deal with the devil for something that they're not going to give you back. And, and like, you. How many people have you led down the wrong path? Whether you took the vaccine or not, it's just like you're encouraging people to do this. And same thing with Ben Shapiro. He's like, oh, my wife's a doctor. It's just. I was like, listen, next, next, next shooter. Next person up. You have. You. You have a huge audience and You're. You're leading them, and I feel like you led them astray. So I'm like, well, now, thanks for the work you've done. But we. We have to. We can't make idols out of these people. We have to take the information they give us and continue to get new information from other people or. Or do it ourselves. And here we are.
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David Lee Corbo
This is. This perfectly highlights why it's important to follow Jesus Christ and to not idolize a man and follow a man, because we're always going to fail. We're always going to misstep, we're always going to fumble. And if you're following a man, well, then the line stops there. All of a sudden, you're standing in front of Jordan Peterson. He's laying on the ground in tears on benzos, and you're going, I don't know where to go anymore.
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Top Lobster
And that's. It's partially my fault.
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David Lee Corbo
Right.
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Top Lobster
Because I. I've. I've made it a point in my life not to follow man, but it's still in some sort of way. I mean, look, top lobster, I am. I have put him on this pedestal, and I have these expectations of this guy, and when he falls short of them, I'm very harsh at him. And maybe I'm, you know, maybe I've said things to him that were a little too rough for him. He saw it and he blocked me.
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David Lee Corbo
Would you be to Jordan Peterson Redemption arc. Would you be there for it? It.
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Top Lobster
I don't really care.
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David Lee Corbo
I. I like it.
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Top Lobster
Good for him. But I've. I feel like we need. I've moved on and, you know, he could help other people. Yeah. But for me, it's just like I'm. I'm doing something else. But, yeah, I need him to come.
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David Lee Corbo
Out, and I needed to be like, I was wrong. I was a fool. And there's a huge spiritual component and demons are real. That's what I need. I need that. I need that. That's what I need.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
That would be amazing. Comes out proclaiming the gospel, but we'll see.
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Top Lobster
I mean, if you ask him if he believes and he's like, what do you mean by God? And what do you mean by.
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David Lee Corbo
If somebody said. If they were like, what do you mean by. And I think it was.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I behave. I act like I believe.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. I behave as if there is a God.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Right?
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Top Lobster
Yeah. And it's. This is true. It's true to a certain point. I told a bunch of people that I know that as well, that they. A lot of people do behave as if there is a God, but do not say with their mouth. So it's like, well, you know, come on.
- [124:37]
David Lee Corbo
Right?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I mean, unless you have anything left on the table that you. You feel compelled to share. Okay, go ahead.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Okay. So that was. So we talked about, like, that's how I became a Christian. Right. And I went through. Down this path where I wanted to be a witch and a Christian and I wanted to do New age white magic. Yes. Little white magic. I literally was trying to do that. And then we. The whole Covid. Happened. Everything happened, and we ended up, like, moving out to the middle of nowhere, and I started going through this Baptist church. And we had been kind of looking at churches where we lived before, but I experienced a lot of, like, judgment or whatever at the Baptist churches. Okay. I don't. I don't. Anyway, we ended up at a Baptist church out here, and I. My beliefs and my understanding of the Holy Spirit were refined. And eventually, like, all of that New age stuff, like, fell off. And I became, like, a more solidly. Like, I had, like, a solid foundation to stand on, like, a truer understanding of the Bible. And, like, I stopped looking for, like, reincarnation in the Bible, like, trying to. Like, people would use, like, calling John the Baptist Elijah as proof that they believed in reincarnation, but it's not true. And like, in the Bible it says, like, you only die once. Okay. So I started going to a Baptist church. I'm still a member there now. And I. Everything was fine until I came under, like, very severe demonic oppression. And, like, as a result of that, my beliefs have shifted again. And it's sort of like, I think that I had, like, the religious understanding down, and then true Christian spirituality has now, like, come into the picture. So, like, the gifts of the Spirit and the Holy Spirit and, like, the authority that we have over demons has. I now understand all of that and am very. In a very real way experiencing those things. Yeah. So with the demonic oppression that I came under, my. I had just given birth to my third baby, and she. This was earlier this year, and she is perfect and amazing. But we stopped going to church because I had a newborn. And so I stopped reading the Bible. I stopped really. I wasn't really praying a lot before that anyway. Like, I would pray for, like, before meals or, like, pray like some before bed. Like, thank God for the day, whatever. Go to bed. And so that's where I was spiritually. And my husband gets me this book, and he was so excited about this book, and he really hyped it up. And as soon as I got it and opened it, I realized, like, oh, like, I didn't. Okay. So it was a hand bound, like $160 book. And it had a giant pentagram on it and freemason symbols. And it was a book on the history of symbols. And I flipped through it to the Christianity section. And the first thing in the Christianity section is information on Buddhism or voodoo and like, how voodoo is done. And I was like, okay. And I didn't want to hurt his feelings, so. So I accepted this book and I put it on top of my refrigerator and I didn't look at it again. But then my in laws came to stay with us to see the baby. And I was like, oh, they're Southern Baptists, I gotta hide this book. So I hid the book and I moved it back to my bedroom and I put it on my dresser. And then we all started having nightmares. My. My youngest son started seeing. He called it the happy monster. Like the happy monster from the playroom. He would like scream terrified and like hide behind me. The happy monster is here. The happy. He's only. He's only two. So like his. How he explains things is. He's still coming into language. But anyway, he would say, the happy monster is here. And I would rebuke it and he would say that it left. But then it kept happening and we all. I started having these dreams where like, I could not say Jesus. Like, Jesus would not come out of my mouth. And my husband was having nightmares, my children were having nightmares. Everybody was like seeing weird stuff. Stuff was moving. And we started going back to church again. While all this is going on and while we were singing I. The words that I was trying to sing, I sang Hell will reign forever. That came out of my mouth and I was like, what is going on right now? And like, trying to rebuke this thing would not work. Like, it would work and like things would disappear, but it would. It kept coming back, right? And I. That experience taught me a lot. It. I learned about, like, the legal rights that demons have for Christians. Even like Christians, you can come into agreement without realizing it with a demonic entity. And the entity can control you. It can like go into you even as a Christian. And that is not something that like, I believed or understood at all. And God, I think. I think God finally gave me a dream where I saw the book and I knew that there was. I saw myself as a teenager doing occult, like rituals, and I saw the book and then I knew that there was a demon there. And I was trying to scream for Jesus and I could not say Jesus would not come out of my mouth. And I was like getting sleep paralysis and the whole, the whole thing. And finally after this dream, I realized the book. I have accepted this book into my home. I have put my husband's feelings above God and I love what I know God wants. And so I confronted my husband about the book and he said that he thought it would be like reading about Hitler where like it's, it's harmless, you know, it's kind of interesting, it's like dark and spooky, but it's, there's no harm in reading about Hitler. And I was like, no, I have renounced all things occult. And as soon as I said that I felt this oppression lift off of me and like I felt lighter and like all of like the fear and anxiety, like I picked up vaping and stuff again. And like I don't like while this was happening and like, I don't know, as soon as I said I have renounced all things a cult, it. I felt it leave me. And my husband got upset and he took the book away and I felt like everything like leave, like the darkness leave. And he sent the book back and that began a whole journey. This all happened before the thing where like my son was attacked and had one in him. So these, I feel these all happened this year. But I feel like God was like teaching me, you know, so like he allowed this to happen. And it. I repented for idolatry, repented for like accepting the stuff into my home and begged for his mercy and. But like in all of this God has really used it to open my eyes to the authority that we have as Christians. And we like the church is so dry right now. I think like the Pentecostals aren't in like charismatic kind of non denominational churches. I think have like a much better grasp of like what's going on. But by and large like all these Methodist churches, like the Baptist churches, like I love my brothers and sisters in Christ, but it is dry as a bone. And like the, like the Holy Spirit, like is there and accessible. And like we, and like prayer is like how we tapped in, tap into that power, the power that we have. And I think there is something in us as humans that desires that power, that desires the supernatural, that. Which is why the new age and the occult and all of these things are so popular now. And there is a space that the church needs to step up and fill and like we have to Be talking about spiritual warfare. Even Tucker Carlson is coming out about his demonic attacks. And, like, it is very real. And there is a very serious need in our culture now of people that are willing and able to stand up with the Lord and, like, break people free of these chains and let people know, like, there is power in the Holy Spirit. It is not weak. It is not. You just let people. You let everything, like, trample over you, and you just, like, stay in your corner and pray and hope everything turns out okay. That is not how Christianity is supposed to be. That's not what Jesus did. Jesus went out and he set people free, and we are supposed to be doing that.
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Top Lobster
So I think we're about to. We're about to see something like that, some kind of revival. I just like, kind of how we discussed with like a Jordan Peterson type. I'm excited about it, but I. I'm weary about the. Not the outcome of it, but I'm weary about the players in it because there's going to be a lot. There's a lot of people that are noticing that that's happening and they're already moving to fill these positions. So which way they move, I don't know. I just, you know, keep your eyes on God, keep your eyes on Jesus, and it's gonna be fun. The next couple years. I think it's going to be a good time, but I'm just keeping my head on a swivel for the. The delusion or the. Whatever the. The trickery that that might come with this because.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, that's. Yeah, you're gonna try something like a UFO or whatever. Some sort of, like. I don't know. You're right. Like, they're like the enemy. And the people who, you know, are his minions essentially, like, are going to move and it's going to be deceptive. Like, it's just how that. How they work. But I think like you said, keep your eyes on Jesus, Keep your eyes on God and the Holy Spirit. I think that there's, like. I think the Holy Spirit is going to, like, we've had, like, a lot of emphasis on Jesus and God, and I think that the Holy Spirit is missing from the church and it's a triune God.
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David Lee Corbo
So anyway, I think that. Well, on that topic of the deception that's coming, that that top is anticipating. And I agree with that sentiment. I can feel it, too. And I'll not be following what's his name, Russell Brand, anywhere. Thank you very much. But, yeah, on the topic of this dream that you had, you Said you were. You had a dream where you could see yourself when you were a teenager and you're going through these books. And we did an episode recently with Heidi Love on Mormonism, and I think what that episode did for me was it made it very clear that the practices that are happening today are the same practices that were happening in the beginning. It's all sort of like this Solomonistic magic. Right. The idea that Solomon bound these demons and had them do his will using various sigils and stuff.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
Comes from extra canonical texts. But I think it makes a lot of sense because you can see the echoes of those practices still happening today. It's the same entities. It's the same practices, the same magic, the same ceremonies, the same rituals. And I think that that's what that dream. Nothing new under the sun. Right. And I think that that's what that dream was. Was like. Look, you're doing the same thing. If the through line is Solomonistic magic, which maybe it's not, I could be wrong. Who cares? But if there is a through line and it's the same practices, what you're doing in your witchcraft practice is the same thing that's happening in these freemason halls. It's just different degrees of decorum. You know what I mean? As far as, like, the level of the ceremony and the total rebranding.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. And I feel like that's what God was trying to show you in that moment was like you're beholden to the same exact practices. Right now it's just sitting on top of your fridge, but it's another book for another people rebranded, you know, packaged differently. It's the same thing, though.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, man, that's good.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. I mean, go ahead.
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Top Lobster
I look forward. I look forward to talking to you again.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't.
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Top Lobster
I don't know how much time, but I feel like you're gonna have a. A pretty good testimony maybe with your. With your husband and what happens in your life, because you're at a. It seems like you're at, like a point. You're at a point here where you're gonna do something pretty cool.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
So thank you.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
I want God to use me. Like, that's my primary. Like, I want God to use me. I want to help people who are where I was, which was blinded and deceived and, you know, all of that, so I appreciate that.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. He kept your logic intact. It's funny because, you know, you don't use something for so long. You think it gets rusty and dusty. But I think you. You navigated your way out of that using logic in a way that a lot of people wouldn't have been able to do. So. And, I mean, it's all for your benefit and also the benefit of your family.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
So. Well, thank you very much for sharing your story. This was excellent. I. I thought it was excellent. I thought it was really refreshing to hear. Oftentimes we have people on the show who are experts in. In some. You know, maybe they're a theologian of some sort of biblical theologian or. It's not often that we get to talk to somebody who came through that path that you did. I came through it in a similar way, but I never adhered to anything and I never practiced anything. It was just what first caught my interest. But you being in it, practicing it, immersing yourself in it, and then coming out of the other end, I think that that testimony resonates with. With a lot of people, because, like you said, I think you nailed it. Right. We don't have this spiritual connection in the West. So when witchcraft comes along and shows you these things that, you know are filled with truths, but fundamental lies, they're very attractive to people. And the church is dropping that bowl. Maybe. Maybe it's our lot, which really the church needs to look at itself. Why on earth are shows like this doing the job that they should be doing?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Yeah, I agree.
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David Lee Corbo
There.
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Top Lobster
There.
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David Lee Corbo
There's a vacuum. There's a void. And, you know, voices like yours need to step up and fill that void, because I get the feeling that time is short. But thank you very much for. For coming on the show today and sharing this one more time. I know you. You don't have much in the way of. For people to find you, but I'm sure there's going to be people that are interested. So could you just let folks know?
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
You can find me on Instagram at Mama Shaw OC it's private at the moment, but just send me a friend request and I'll add you on. I need to update it, but, yeah, do. Just feel free to reach out if anyone has any questions or anything. Thank you all so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Like, I love this show. Y' all are speaking truth into the darkness.
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Top Lobster
Thank you. That means a lot. And again, thanks for your time. This is amazing. And I think we'll be back. We might have the rest of the week off. David. I don't know. Not this week. Sorry, guys. But maybe we'll figure something out for these people. Maybe we'll do something last minute in a couple days, but thank you again, Mama Shot. I want to doxia. And we'll see you guys next time. Peace out.
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David Lee Corbo
Peace out.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room.
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David Lee Corbo
It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
Because they'll lack in.
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David Lee Corbo
The face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.
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Shannon (Mama Shah)
And they have.