Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad

Episode: What The Telepathy Tapes Left Out | Pastor Joe Infranco

Date: November 12, 2025
Hosts: David Lee Corbo (Top Lobsta), Co-host (Raven)
Guest: Pastor Joe Infranco

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This episode dives into the fascinating overlap of spiritual phenomena, non-speaking autism, and recent conspiracy-adjacent media like The Telepathy Tapes. Pastor Joe Infranco discusses his experiences working with non-speaking autistic individuals who reportedly communicate spiritual experiences—sometimes via telepathy, spelling, or nonverbal cues—that often involve encounters with angels, demons, and visions of Jesus. The discussion critiques the editorial choices in The Telepathy Tapes, highlighting the omission of explicitly Christian and spiritual content, and draws connections between biblical worldviews, supernatural phenomena, and the potential for a spiritual revival.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pastor Joe Infranco’s Background

• Time Stamp: 03:18
• Joe is a New York native, former attorney specializing in First Amendment/religious liberty cases, and since 2020, a full-time pastor.
• Active in Alliance Defending Freedom; now runs Hidden Gift Ministries, advocating for special needs families and equipping churches.

“We’re trying to reframe the church’s understanding and see the incredible gifts that these young men and women are.”
— Pastor Joe (04:36)

2. Telepathy in Non-Speaking Autism – The Spiritual Side

• Time Stamp: 06:39
• Joe describes working with non-speaking autistic individuals who "spell" on letterboards to communicate.
• Initial astonishment: These individuals were cognitively aware and educated (“fully in there”), contrary to prior assumptions.
• Shocking revelation: Many begin reporting spiritual visions—seeing angels, demons, even glimpses of heaven.
• The experience is likened to biblical prophecies and Jesus’ ministry, upending typical diagnoses.

“What came out was that they’re fully in there...when they started spelling, what came out was that they're fully in there...some of them have seen heaven. And then all these details started coming.”
— Pastor Joe (06:39)

3. What The Telepathy Tapes Left Out

• Time Stamp: 09:23, 70:57
• The podcast series, despite its popularity and attention, omits the explicitly Christian spiritual content that Joe and co-hosts consider central.
• Focus is on the “mechanics” of telepathy, not the spiritual reality that many spellers recount.
• Most spellers Joe interacts with reference Jesus, angels, and spiritual warfare—across denominational backgrounds.
• The hosts and Joe agree this omission is significant, potentially misleading, and does not reflect the entirely of the phenomenon.

“The biggest thing is that they’re all talking about Jesus, even ones who didn’t come from church backgrounds.”
— Pastor Joe (70:57)

4. The Mechanics and Controversies of Spelling

• Time Stamp: 38:24, 44:03
• Spelling as communication for non-speaking autistics has evolved from methods criticized as “facilitated communication” (potential for undue influence) to independent, validated practices.
• Scientific studies now confirm the legitimacy of spelling, validated by strict protocols and new research.
• Critiques from the 1990s are “recycled,” often fueled by vested interests in old methods or pharmaceuticals.
• Spellers show high levels of honesty; many lack motivations to lie common in other demographics.

“The newer forms of spelling, there’s absolutely no touch…it’s very strict protocols.”
— Pastor Joe (38:24)

5. Spiritual Phenomena – Angels, Demons, and the “Hill”

• Time Stamp: 19:21, 58:07, 83:44
• Spellers describe vivid spiritual experiences, frequently involving seeing angelic warfare, battles mirroring biblical events (cf. Daniel and Ephesians discussions).
• There’s a frequent mention of communicating “spirit to spirit,” visiting a realm called “the Hill,” interpreted as a place of spiritual communion/intercession but not “heaven” proper.
• Senses like smell are active in their visions; for instance, incense correlates with angelic activity and prayer, mirroring biblical imagery (Revelation 5, 8).
• Regularly, spellers insist their autonomy in describing these visions, even restricting what they’re “allowed” to share.

“They’re able to speak in…they don’t use a word like telepathy. They just say we speak in just our mind. Spirit speaking to spirit…They go there to intercede for us… to meet with Jesus.”
— Pastor Joe (54:53)

6. Testing and Discernment: Avoiding False Spirits

• Time Stamp: 57:02, 58:07
• Joe is careful to emphasize spiritual discernment, “testing the spirits” as prescribed in Scripture.
• Non-speaking autistics can sometimes be misled, but Joe’s framework stays closely biblical.
• The result is consistently Christ-centric, non-“New Age,” and corroborated across multiple unrelated sources.

“There are legitimate forms of mental illness…and we have to stick very closely to the Bible. If it’s anti-biblical…it has to be thrown out.”
— Pastor Joe (76:12)

7. Critique of the New Age Interpretation/Human Ascendance Narrative

• Time Stamp: 31:16, 50:20, 78:06
• The popular “next stage of human development” angle is criticized. Joe and the hosts see autistic individuals as “injured children,” not evolutionary forerunners.
• They caution against adopting New Age/ascension narratives that overlap with alien abduction and spiritualist trends.
• The consistent message from spellers is not self-glorification but the glorification of Christ, intercession, and God’s sovereignty.

“These look like injured children…I don’t think that anybody who’s actually experienced this would say that this is the next step in development and this is something that you should boast about.”
— David Lee Corbo (50:20)

8. Broader Implications for the Church and Culture

• Time Stamp: 74:53, 91:26
• Joe calls for a radically inclusive approach, seeing every person as an “image bearer,” especially the marginalized and non-verbal.
• The missional calling is to equip churches to better support special needs families and recognize the spiritual contributions of those previously discounted.

“What I would have liked to have seen…is that God wants to change the way we see every human being, especially the ones whom we discount. Every human being is an image bearer of God.”
— Pastor Joe (70:57)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Spiritual Discernment

  “I’m feeling my way around a room and I keep becoming aware there’s dozens of other rooms in this place that I get hints about.”
  — Pastor Joe (58:07)

• Heavenly Visions

  “They go right to the essence…They say his [Jesus’] eyes have light...His attention is totally focused on you...His love is so deep and profound.”
  — Pastor Joe (50:45)

• On Doing What You’re Meant For

  “God made me fast, and when I run, I feel his pleasure. And I thought, oh, man, that’s it. When you do what he made you to do, you feel his pleasure.”
  — Pastor Joe (97:26, referencing Chariots of Fire)

• The Church’s Challenge

  “As soon as you find a perfect church, it won’t be perfect because you’re in it.”
  — Pastor Joe (93:52, jokingly)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:18 — Joe’s introduction and background
• 06:39 — The initiation into spelling and spiritual revelations among non-speaking autistics
• 15:10 — Telepathy, disassociation, and government interest (MK Ultra discussion)
• 19:21 — Biblical discussions on spiritual hierarchy (Daniel, Ephesians, Jude)
• 31:16 — New Age interpretations and critique
• 38:24 — Mechanics and scientific validation of spelling
• 50:20 — Debate: Is autism “the next step” in human evolution?
• 54:53 — “The Hill” and communal worship in spiritual visions
• 57:02 — Discernment, testing the spirits, and biblical boundaries
• 70:57 — What The Telepathy Tapes omitted: The centrality of Christ
• 83:44 — “The Hill” in detail; advice for families
• 91:26 — Hope for the future, spiritual revival
• 97:26 — On calling and feeling God’s joy

Resources and Outreach

• Book: Decoding Cody by Pastor Joe Infranco
• Ministry: Hidden Gift Ministries (hiddengiftsministry.org)
• Contact: Pastor Joe open to Zoom calls, Q&A, networking for special needs church ministries

Overall Tone

Genuine, searching, faith-driven, and candid, the conversation balances unashamed supernaturalism with a critical, biblically-anchored skepticism of popular new spiritual narratives. There’s a consistent sense of advocacy for the marginalized, a call to revival, and optimism about the spiritual hunger stirring in the culture—despite (or because of) the omissions and distortions in mainstream narratives like The Telepathy Tapes.