You Pick Our Topic | An NDS Bible Study

Summary

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Nephilim Death Squad Episode Summary

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad
Episode: You Pick Our Topic | An NDS Bible Study
Date: December 13, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta, Raven (David Lee Corbo), Matt ("Sweet Matthew")
Theme: Exploring conspiracies, Christian doctrine, and scripture through frank, often irreverent discussion, inviting audience participation and engaging with contemporary religious debates.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad is a lively blend of open-forum Bible study and back-and-forth on conspiracy topics, with the hosts riffing on everything from the nature of Hell to the job titles of angels. Audience members picked the night’s themes via Patreon comments, and the hosts navigated a winding journey through scripture, doctrinal debates, and cultural commentary, tackling questions on hell, the afterlife, spiritual warfare, and the Book of Job. The show’s tone oscillates between earnest study and playful banter, peppered with inside jokes and zany anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Listener-Driven Topics & Community Shoutouts

• Audience Picks: Listeners suggested topics (Malachi, Matthew 5 pirates, hell, Mephibosheth, the Book of Job, the true nature of hell/purgatory, etc.).
• Shoutouts: Thanks given to community contributors, shoutouts to “Z Man” and “Dallas Spitfire” for their support (03:10, 04:00).

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2. Debate: The Nature of Hell (05:29–30:02)

• Eternal Hell or Temporary Cleansing?

  • Matt and TopLobsta read from Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:10, stressing that scripture refers to “everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”
  • Discussion on doctrines claiming hell is not eternal, with Matt noting:

    “If you don’t think separation from God is torture, then good luck with everything.” (27:21)

  • Contrast drawn between Christian and traditional Jewish views — the latter described hell (Gehenna) as a temporary spiritual cleansing, versus the clear New Testament teaching of permanent damnation (31:46).
  • Critique of “purgatory” and “indulgences” (33:12–33:59).

• Notable Quote:

  “It’s everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels… God’s done everything He can do to rescue back the dead. If you choose to follow the devil… that’s their ultimate destiny.” — Matt (28:55)

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3. Modern Christian Witness: Shane Cashman on Timcast IRL (09:49–22:45)

• The hosts praise journalist Shane Cashman for reading scripture sans commentary in a hostile environment on Timcast IRL—viewed as a “powerful moment.”

• The panel mocks the antagonistic “Gary the Numbers Guy,” a numerologist with anti-Christian vibes, as embodying “satanic” traits and misusing Jewish esoterica.

• Shane’s approach: Undiluted Gospel, no ego, just scripture—“He just went in with the word of God and only did that.” (17:04)

• Memorable Exchange:

  “When you pray, you become prey.” — Gary the Numbers Guy (20:22)
  “I will pray for you, sir. Thank you very much.” — Matt (20:34)

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4. Feuds, Debunking, and In-Community Drama (41:06–46:44)

• Addressing pushback and heretical teachings from figures like Jacob Israel, the hosts stress the importance of adhering to scripture and caution against “dangerous doctrines,” especially when audience reach is large.
• Matt emphasizes evangelism over argument:

  "We have a platform, but it's for the gospel."

• TopLobsta is more confrontational:

  “If you’re gonna talk shit, I’m gonna say something back, and I’m better at it.” (42:06)
  “Just be careful with the heresy. It’s dangerous for your own soul.” (42:12)

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5. Deep Dive: The Book of Job (49:04–93:44)

- Job’s Suffering, Spiritual Realms, and Theodicy

• Summary of Job:
  Raven recounts Job’s trials—his riches, his righteousness, the “divine council” scene where Satan is permitted by God to test Job (53:06–55:57).

• Prosperity Gospel Critiqued:

  “His accusation is the prosperity gospel… That’s Satan’s accusation… He’s only serving you because of the gain he gets.” — Matt (55:38)

• Doctrine vs. Living Faith:

  “They had flawless doctrine… but they couldn’t understand the situation in real time.” — Matt (49:49)
  "Cold, dead doctrine, just like the Pharisees had.” (77:53)

• God’s Rebuke:

  "Gird up your loins now like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.” — God to Job (Job 38:3) (71:37) “Sometimes, bro, you just have to know the Lord, man." — Matt (71:21)

• Endings and Restoration:

  • Job’s restoration is discussed—he receives double his animals but the same number of children, which Matt interprets as a sign of human eternality in the afterlife (91:11–94:59).
  • Job’s final intercession for his “worthless friends” is the closing test (79:03–80:04).

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6. Hell in Jewish Tradition vs. Christian Doctrine (31:46–34:11)

• Explores Gehenna (Jewish) as a temporary, purifying place vs. the “lake of fire” (Christian) as eternal torment.
• Links Jewish funerary customs to beliefs on punishment and purgation.

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7. Angelology, Satan’s Role, and Spiritual Warfare (61:12–66:17, 123:14–128:56)

• Discuss roles of Satan (“the Accuser”), concept of divine councils, fallen angels, spiritual authority, and why Satan is “allowed in the presence of God.”

• Heiser’s thesis on Satan as a job title vs. a singular being evinces debate.

• Psalm 82 and the "council of the gods" as a model for celestial hierarchy.

• The idea that fallen angels and demons act within allowed boundaries, sometimes as agents of God’s justice or testing.

• Notable observation:

  “Everything is under the authority of God… God’s not in a war with Satan. God’s all-powerful.” — Matt (88:39)

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8. Satan, Judas, and Demonic Possession (109:46–114:39)

• Analyze John 13:27 and the concept of Satan entering Judas.
• Distinction made between demonic possession ("disembodied spirits") and unique Satanic empowerment as a rare event.

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9. Time, Judgment, and the Afterlife (118:35–124:34)

• The “holding tank” for souls (Luke’s rich man and Lazarus) is discussed.
• Judgment as a possibly atemporal event; time works differently in the spiritual realm.
• “If you're born once, you die twice. If you're born twice, you die once.” — Matt (119:53)

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10. Community Prayer & Support

• Special prayer request for Daniel Aspen’s wife, who is facing cancer (81:09–85:39).
• The group encourages faith, resilience, and humor in suffering.

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11. Fun, Memorable Moments & Quotes

• They riff on whether animals talked in Eden and postulate pet psychics (137:05–140:50).

• Lots of banter about the mundane (popcorn flavors, TV placement) and the bizarre (diarrhea confessions, lost punch cards).

• Top Memorable Quotes:

  • “You buy a straight Bible shirt...Germany. That godless.” — TopLobsta (05:06)
  • “When you pray, you become prey.” — Gary The Numbers Guy (20:22)
  • “Just read the Bible, it’s very clear.” — Matt (47:00)
  • “Here’s a deal: If you’re not giving worth to God, you’re giving it somewhere else.” — TopLobsta (128:43)
  • “The stuff is always there. It’s just a matter of you seeing it or not.” — Matt on 2 Kings 6 (137:29)

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Notable Timestamps & Segments

• (03:10) – Listener perks, show credits, Patreon engagement
• (05:29–30:02) – Bible passages on hell and the eternal/temporary debate
• (09:49–22:45) – Shane Cashman, Timcast IRL story, spiritual witness on secular platforms
• (41:06–46:44) – In-community feuds, the role of arguing vs. evangelizing
• (49:04–93:44) – The Book of Job: Suffering, righteousness, restoration, real-life application
• (61:12–66:17) – Angelic councils, spiritual hierarchies, Satan’s identity
• (81:09–85:39) – Praying/support for Daniel Aspen’s wife
• (109:46–114:39) – Judas, demonic possession, Satan’s rare direct empowerment
• (118:35–124:34) – Afterlife “timing,” judgment, spiritual warfare
• (130:25–133:23) – Book of Remembrance, affirming those who discuss God openly

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Tone and Style

The hosts blend scripture-based teaching with irreverent, sometimes "locker room" banter, cartoonish insults, inside jokes, and pop culture references. While deeply committed to their biblical worldview, their manner is intentionally approachable, often sarcastic, and community-centered.

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Final Takeaways

• The NDS approach is to "just read the Bible," parsing doctrine live and prioritizing clear scriptural witness over tradition or speculation.
• The Book of Job is highlighted as a warning against cold, dead orthodoxy—knowing about God is less than knowing God.
• The panel encourages direct engagement with scripture and warns against “dangerous doctrines” spread by popular Christian influencers.
• Humor is used as both a protective shield and a means of connecting the sacred to everyday life.

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Suggested Further Listening

For new listeners:
Try episodes focused on specific Old Testament figures or “NDS Bible Study” sessions for the show's unique blend of irreverence and insight.

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“You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you…” — (102:15, closing)

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Matt]

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[David Lee Corbo]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

And Doug here we have the.

[Top Lobster]

Limu Emu in its natural habitat helping.

[Matt]

People customize their car insurance and save.

[Top Lobster]

Hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally Doug.

[Matt]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty Liberty Liberty Savings Ferry Unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates excludes Massachusetts.

[David Lee Corbo]

Never.

[Top Lobster]

In the shadows of the ancient ones they never went away they're still here.

[Matt]

Today.

[David Lee Corbo]

Never Death Squad when the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack.

[Matt]

Squad angel sing the name when the sky cracks we got a storm, we got.

[David Lee Corbo]

A flood Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. And this is Sweet Matthew, That was very disagreeable. Pourer of brown water and host of straight Bible. And we are guaming at you live from the standard coffee shop/nds studios here in Lady Lake, Florida. Guys, how much of a banger was that intro?

[Matt]

God, that felt good of a banger.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was a super duper banger.

[Matt]

Kind of a banger.

[David Lee Corbo]

Kind of a bang.

[Top Lobster]

That's why we're late.

[David Lee Corbo]

It was a smasher. Hey, by the way, it was great. Shout out to Dallas Spitfire on X for that intro. That unbelievable intro was awesome. And also shout out to Z Man. Sweet, sweet Z Man for the. The laser lights.

[Top Lobster]

Can we show the laser lights are all over your face? Well, they are.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're all over your face, too.

[Top Lobster]

We don't know how to use them yet, Z. No, they're figuring it out.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're on the third camera shot. There you go. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We didn't know who sent us it because for whatever reason, Amazon got rid of Zman's note, so we had no idea. We thought it was an anonymous donor. No, it was our very own Zman, who's actually our moderator over on Telegram.

[Top Lobster]

So when you're on Telegram, patreon member.

[David Lee Corbo]

Ooh, patreon.com forward/nephilim death Squad. That's where Zman is. And you want to be there, too. Early access to episodes. You can engage with the live chat. This episode's gonna go for free to the pores.

[Top Lobster]

But. But, but. Yeah, we asked the pores. Well, we asked the. The rich, the guaman.

[David Lee Corbo]

The guaman.

[Top Lobster]

That they can pick whatever we're gonna talk about today.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I thought we decided we were gonna talk about hell.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah. But I asked them, so I think we should.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, we should read it and say, isn't that nice? But we should still talk about hell.

[Top Lobster]

That's probably true.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, let's. So those are the kind of perks that you get on Patreon. We can read your input and then disregard it entirely. Also, early access to tickets to Bohemian Grove.

[Top Lobster]

When they drop.

[David Lee Corbo]

When they drop.

[Top Lobster]

When we find a venue.

[David Lee Corbo]

When we find a venue. Matt March.

[Top Lobster]

No pressure.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sixth and seventh.

[Top Lobster]

I thought we. I thought we had this squared away.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, it's pretty squared away.

[Top Lobster]

It still is. Are you sure?

[David Lee Corbo]

And discount codes off merchandise. And Top Lobster.com show VIP night is.

[Matt]

Here at this location. And then the other night, where it's a lot more people is going to be at the Brownwood location.

[Top Lobster]

Hey, buy a T shirt.

[David Lee Corbo]

We steer the show. Okay. You don't steer the show.

[Top Lobster]

No, they were talking about the Tish bite.

[Matt]

Exactly. Where Bohemian grows.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't steer the show. Dude, we steer the show.

[Top Lobster]

Just pour your water.

[David Lee Corbo]

Pour your brown water.

[Top Lobster]

You buy a straight Bible shirt. A lot of people. Somebody from Germany bought one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Germany.

[Top Lobster]

Germany. That godless.

[Matt]

Thank goodness nobody's bought the ones that say, I'm not doing this. Dude, that's.

[David Lee Corbo]

So has anybody bought the I'm not doing this?

[Top Lobster]

No, they have.

[Matt]

No, they haven't.

[Top Lobster]

Actually, at least two people.

[Matt]

My whole family has been asking for them. Now I'm like, no, guys, we're not doing that.

[Top Lobster]

Are they? Because I'll give them to them.

[Matt]

No. Like, everybody's asking for them.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. Yeah, in my family, that's coming.

[Matt]

My family. That's normal people.

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife. So we're going to talk about hell today. I mean, let's. Let's first.

[Top Lobster]

Are we going to talk about it?

[David Lee Corbo]

I would love to. I'm sweating so hard.

[Matt]

If we do the health thing, we're doing it for 10 minutes. Just type in hell in the blue letter Bible. Like, this is a quick study.

[Top Lobster]

There's 22 comments in the Patreon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow. 22 people contribute.

[Top Lobster]

Keisha said Malachi they want to talk about.

[David Lee Corbo]

Malachi's a black name.

[Top Lobster]

Yes, it is. But that's fine. They want to know Pirates in Matthew 5. Cool. Got something cool in the works for you. But it's going to be cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's not going to be that.

[Matt]

Do those.

[Top Lobster]

That corny wanker that you were talking about before.

[Matt]

Oh, what?

[Top Lobster]

Wow. I mean, he was talking about. He's like, oh, let's make a shirt with just a pirate on it. I'm like, just a pirate?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's really.

[Matt]

Just a pirate. I said, it's got to have a pirate.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a bad idea.

[Top Lobster]

He said, just a pirate. That's fine.

[Matt]

It's going to be a long show.

[David Lee Corbo]

I can't. I got to take this sweater off. I'm sorry, guys. I'm covered in little roly polygon pills. But it doesn't matter anymore. This is just too hot.

[Top Lobster]

He. He came in mad green today. Hold on. Look at. Oh, my God.

[David Lee Corbo]

I can't even tell how green I was. Because he came in cuz we're green.

[Top Lobster]

Haircut, tank top.

[David Lee Corbo]

Haircut, tank top.

[Matt]

Blacktown honey knows she gets it. The peg leg. Yeah, exactly. Because Jesus said, if your eye caused you to sin, rip it out. If your hand caused you to sin, cut it off. If your feet cause you to sin, cut it off.

[David Lee Corbo]

What does that mean? If you're jerking out.

[Matt]

That's the whole. Yes.

[Top Lobster]

What?

[Matt]

In. In context. Yes. That is what he's talking about.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm really glad I got that under control because they want me to cut.

[Matt]

My hand off if any.

[Top Lobster]

Any past.

[Matt]

What did he say? I got it right here, actually. If you're right, he says, you've heard that it was said them of old time, thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say unto you that whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. And if your right eye offends you, like you're lusting after this woman looking at her, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off and cast it from thee. For it's profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body shall be cast into hell. So in the context, it. It does seem like the scripture that.

[Top Lobster]

Talks about the worm.

[Matt]

The worm that never die.

[David Lee Corbo]

The brain worm.

[Matt]

No, no, no, that's a different passage, but we can pull that up. If you got blue letter Bible handy, we can do the hell thing in like 10 minutes.

[Top Lobster]

Keep doing the blue letter Bible.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let's not. Look, I don't want to say their name.

[Matt]

Finish the intro. I didn't want to cut you off because I'm trying to be very respectful to you.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think finished it. I don't think.

[Matt]

Well, I just know how you get. You know, you want to. I get, but I don't want to be nasty to you.

[David Lee Corbo]

I do want to say that people should come and visit us here because we're working on Studio B and Stu.

[Top Lobster]

Well, Studio. This is Studio 2A.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, 2A.

[Top Lobster]

And then there's Studio 2B. And then Studio 2F.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, no.

[Matt]

Should be 70% done in another Studio 2B.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then there's 2C and there's 2D.

[Top Lobster]

Where's the D?

[David Lee Corbo]

The D is the whole long area with the thing. That was not good.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, don't getting too loud out there.

[David Lee Corbo]

I just want to say that you guys should come in.

[Matt]

What's your name? David. Yeah, you're being a little loud out here. My name's Nancy.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was reprimanded. I was reprimanded by an elderly woman, a lovely elderly woman named Nancy.

[Matt]

No, it's really loud out here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hey, we might have her on the show, so stop.

[Top Lobster]

You guys like the Green Nephilim Death squad? What? The last trump. All right, we have more comments. You don't want to just play the intro again? Do you guys want to play the intro again?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, it's fine.

[Matt]

No, no, we're in the episode. People came to, like, do the Bible study.

[Top Lobster]

Hey, guys, if you want to hear the intro, give us a 1, 2, 3.

[Matt]

So who all can see the Bible study right now or who all can see this?

[Top Lobster]

Everybody.

[Matt]

Your mama's ass on all the platforms.

[Top Lobster]

On all the platforms.

[Matt]

Yeah, but he does not care. He does not respect the space.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, so let's talk about hell before.

[Top Lobster]

We get into Raised by Wolf.

[Matt]

What are we.

[Top Lobster]

So that's our first passage on hell, Jacob Israel.

[David Lee Corbo]

Don't say that.

[Top Lobster]

I'm. I just tagged him.

[David Lee Corbo]

God bless him.

[Top Lobster]

We're debunking, we're rebunking.

[Matt]

I know, but we don't have to beef with that dude. Like, let him say whatever he wants. Like, let him. It's irrelevant. Like, we're just putting out what we're putting out. It doesn't matter what anybody else is putting out.

[Top Lobster]

But he's beefing with the Bible.

[Matt]

Let him beef with the Bible. Let's see how that goes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let him beef with the load.

[Top Lobster]

To be honest, Kirk Cameron's beefing with the Bible too.

[Matt]

It goes for him.

[Top Lobster]

Not great. He's got. He's the guy that made Spirited Away. That's that gay anime.

[Matt]

We just read it in Jude though all that was really about.

[David Lee Corbo]

I never watched it.

[Matt]

All they care about is if people go with them and people agree with him and they like it. That's all. So they'll get their reward that people will like it. So let them do that. Let them do that. We just put out truth.

[Top Lobster]

Can we say lasciviousness about him?

[Matt]

Oh, no, we're not. Can we give him the business of like beefing with people?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, hold on, let's do the opposite. Let's give flowers. Can we do that? Shane Cashman crushed. He was on gym cast irl and he was chatting it up with the satanic Gary, the numbers guy who hates Christianity. And it says a lot of really off putting crap.

[Top Lobster]

Can we play it? You gonna play it?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, it's kind of long. We play some of it. Yeah, but just to give everybody the thousand foot overview. Gary hates Christianity. He hates Christ.

[Matt]

This dude is a gangster. I like this dude Cashman.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's the best dude. Let, let, let it rip. Okay. Or just take it off the screen is cool too.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, what? I came off the screen. That guy's Jewish. Just in case.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he's being.

[Top Lobster]

That guy's Jewish too.

[Matt]

Didn't you go on his show?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, big mistake.

[Matt]

Embarrassed.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, it says no audio.

[Top Lobster]

No audio. No audio.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hold on a second. All right, so just so you guys know what's going on, I talked to Shane. I actually called him earlier and he said basically the Lord put it on his heart to only respond only. As far as I'm concerned. He said his only input on that entire episode was reading Scripture.

[Matt]

I love that dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

In. In the.

[Top Lobster]

The face of a dude that goes hard.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I'm not saying this environment he's.

[Matt]

In, the lion's Den bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And he's also on a platform that, that reaches so many people. So this guy just got up there and spread the gospel on a massive platform in the face of, you know, my understanding, more than a few people who are really awful by Christianity. Really off put by the word of God. And. And he didn't add his own conjecture, he didn't add his own input. He just read scripture and then said peace out. Which is like powerful. Very, very cool. We're gonna. I don't know if we're gonna try to get it up here again.

[Top Lobster]

We'll try it again. I don't know if this will work though. Tell me if you can hear. If you can't, then we'll stop.

[Matt]

And Doug, here we have the Limu.

[Top Lobster]

Emu in its natural habitat helping people customize their car insurance and SA with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

[Matt]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty.

[Top Lobster]

Liberty.

[Matt]

Liberty. Liberty Savings. Very unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts. Hey, this is Sarah. Look, I'm standing out front of a.m. p.m. Right now and, well, you're sweet and all, but I found something more fulfilling, even kind of cheesy, but I like it. Sure, you met some of my dietary needs, but they've just got it all, so farewell. Oatmeal. So long, you strange soggy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Break up with bland breakfast and taste.

[Matt]

AM PM's bacon, egg and cheese biscuit made with K tree eggs, smoked bacon and melty cheese on a buttery biscuit. Am PM Too much. Good stuff.

[Top Lobster]

Who's this guy? They got nothing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Damn. Sorry, guys. I don't know what the heck's going on.

[Matt]

Who is that guy? Go check it out. Anybody who thinks they have a relationship with God has it. What did he say? Is it ego?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, he said they have a huge ego on them. So Gary the numbers guy is saying on Tim Pool show he goes, anybody who believes they have a relationship with God has a huge ego. More or less alluding to the idea that the creator of the universe, which he calls the prime creator because he's gay, he. That he is so busy with, you know, being the, you know, the. The caretaker of the universe, he couldn't possibly give a shit what we're doing. And the only time he interacts with us is when we die, enter this next realm and are judged.

[Top Lobster]

That's pulling up on your computer for one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe I Could pull it up. Yeah, that's fine.

[Top Lobster]

I feel like it's important to listen to, especially with the feedback. Not the feedback, but with the, with the constant barrage of nonsense that we've been getting from Gary the numbers guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

From putting hexes on good people. Which.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he does do that. He does put hexes on people. He's got a whole ass thing where he does that. Very gay.

[Top Lobster]

To scamming people. Yeah, to scamming people of their money. Oh, my God, Their hard earned money. To. This is what I was trying to explain to Matt before, but he's texting now, so it doesn't matter.

[David Lee Corbo]

It doesn't matter. Yeah, he's doing some text messages. He also manages, he's looking at blue letter Bible guys.

[Top Lobster]

He also manages the mis or disinformation campaign of this, like, weird brand of anti Semitism.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's not.

[Top Lobster]

And I, I, I don't even want to call it like anti Semitism because that word's been used a lot. But like, you don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait.

[Top Lobster]

This brand of noticing from like, people like Myron Gaines who have huge followings. I, I actually had message Jake Shields about him. Like, hey, you had this guy on your show. You have beef with Jewish people. Number one, this guy's Jewish. Number two, this guy's out there doing, like, when I say Jewish people that I got a problem with, it's this dude. This is what I'm talking about. This worldly Jewish person that is dabbling in sin, in numerology, in, in spell casting, in straight up Satanism. That's what this dude's doing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But he was like, I really, I really don't have a problem with this guy. I was like, that's very interesting. It's very interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know if this is gonna work because I've never used anything with audio from here, but let's, let's let.

[Top Lobster]

It rip real quick, so. All right, here we go. Light mode.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. I don't, I don't.

[Top Lobster]

Light mode on your.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't use Twitter that much, so.

[Matt]

For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a power and love and a sound mind. It's from Second Timothy 1:7. A lot.

[Top Lobster]

Wow, Shane, that was powerful. Thanks for saying that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let us know if you could hear.

[Matt]

Such thing has been quiet and I'm curious your thoughts on full screen. Not just to say, like, hey, everything that's going on we're talking about, but just like, where we're going. I just feel compelled to Say, rejoice in the Lord always. Again, I will say, rejoice. Let your gentleness be known to all men. The Lord is at hand. Be anxious for nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God and the peace of God which surpasses all. Understanding, understanding. And we'll go.

[Top Lobster]

Don't be gay. I asked Ray.

[Matt]

I think personally and again, I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I think anyone who thinks they have a relationship with God has an extremely huge ego. I think we're all. I think we're all specks of Sanda, the real prime creator. And the only time he's going to deal with us is when we pass on to the next lifetime. Then he judges us. We all will be judged. I don't see any point of the worship or any of this other. I will say, then submit yourselves to therefore, to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. James 4.

[Top Lobster]

7, I love. He says, the devil.

[Matt]

Give no opportunity to the devil.

[David Lee Corbo]

And here I got a little bit of inside baseball on this. I talked to Shane. Basically, he doesn't know this guy at all. He shows up to the studio, he feels a heaviness while he's in there. He doesn't know what's going on. And then right before the show starts, this guy just goes on a tirade against Christianity and he's like, oh, that's what's going on. So according to Shane, he had a whole game plan and he goes, nope, that's not what we're doing anymore. The Lord put on his heart Scripture, read scripture. That's all he did. He just went in with the word of God and only did that. And I. Dude, just so you understand this guy's character a little bit, Matt, this is a guy that sought out the. The. What would you call it? What happens when you. When you lose a family member? Like they.

[Matt]

You.

[David Lee Corbo]

You fade away from a family or whatever. He finds Joe Rogan's birth father and invites him on his show to then have Joe Rogan's estranged father, who's been missing from his life, call Joe Rogan a homosexual.

[Matt]

All four.

[David Lee Corbo]

So he's got an elderly man who did that. If you were focusing, you would have understood. Gary, the numbers guy, platforms, Joe Rogan's elderly father. Dude's like, what, 70, 80 years old just to call Joe Rogan a homosexual on his show. That's how hard he's chasing clout. That's how hard he's. That's what he does.

[Matt]

Wait, so Joe Rogan reach out to him, was like, bro, are you serious?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, Joe Rogan ignored him, rightfully. So that's what he did. He ignored him because that's what you do with shit like that.

[Matt]

That's sad, though.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's super sad. But that's the kind of guy this is dealing with. This is who you're dealing with here. Let's bring it up. We'll finish it a little bit. And. Yeah, so this guy is a real piece of work.

[Matt]

Ephesians 4:27. Oh, I mean, listen, you can read a book that's 2,000. I will say, whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil. And for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3 Brother, for 2,000 years, people thought Jesus was coming back, and he still isn't there. So what does that make all those people who died waiting for him? We covered that today. That guy fulfilled prophecy right there. The redhead guy. We said that on the Jude study today.

[Top Lobster]

Jewish guy.

[Matt]

He fulfilled prophecy doing that.

[Top Lobster]

Who's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Who's a redheaded guy?

[Matt]

Like in Peter and in Judas says that mockers will say this. And specifically in 2 Peter 3, it says that people will say, where is he?

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, like, so he's doing the exact.

[Matt]

He's fulfilling prophecy and doesn't even know it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. Here, let's.

[Matt]

That's intriguing, man. But on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall hurt you, you hold a pale horse. They keep saying he's coming back.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, I mean, sound awfully quiet over.

[Matt]

There as our residents doesn't even know.

[Top Lobster]

It outside of the box.

[Matt]

Thinker, what do you think of numerology and what we've. Be sober minded, be watchful. Your adversary, the devil prowls around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour. Res him firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world. Shane has wrapped himself in the armor of the Lord tonight.

[Top Lobster]

That sounds.

[David Lee Corbo]

What I will say is Phil was based on this whole thing. And Shane went out of his way to say this sarcastic, no, no, no. I talked to Cashman. I talked to Cashman.

[Matt]

Yeah, that dude seemed like that was a cool thing that he said. He's kind of almost head nodding to him and saying, I think Phil.

[David Lee Corbo]

Phil Labonte is a.

[Top Lobster]

But he was cool in this. He's a huge homosexual atheist. He's the lead singer of all that Remains, that band that was in A Guitar Hero one time. He's. This is. If this is genuine, okay, Legit.

[David Lee Corbo]

Labonte had his back.

[Top Lobster]

Every other time that I've talked to this guy, it's always been disadvantageous. Nonsense, garbage.

[David Lee Corbo]

Big gay.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. So I don't know these people. Almost everybody at that table, I'm telling you, I was there, almost fell asleep because these people are that, like, retired. Well, except for Ian. I like Ian. I think he's there, too.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, Ian's an interesting character.

[Top Lobster]

We have a whole bunch of people.

[Matt]

Questioning numerology, but they're, you know, willing to believe the Bible and Quran with no evidence that. So it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Half of the people here are. Wouldn't even consider themselves Christian.

[Matt]

Like, I don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't.

[Matt]

I got one more thing to add before I go. Just want to say, humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God, at the proper time, he may exalt you. And I'm praying for you. Please don't pray. Because when you pray, you become pray. Thank you. Despite that, I will pray for you, sir. Thank you very much.

[Top Lobster]

I'll see you all.

[Matt]

I do not accept your prayers, but thank you. That's. Shane Cashman had so much pushback, it doesn't seem like anyone wants to push back on religion. You don't sound how that works.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't sound half as ridiculous.

[Matt]

Well, but, like, you don't sound.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't sound half as ridiculous as he does.

[Matt]

What a bizarre exchange, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

What a legendary exchange. Legendary exchange. Shane Cash, I just want to say really quick. Shane Cashman, I. We had the pleasure of. You introduced him to me, Top. We had him on the. On the show really early. My overwhelming impression of Cashman in the early days of this show is that's one of the most genuine dudes I've ever met. Most genuine dudes I've ever met. And to this day, two years later.

[Top Lobster]

Keep in mind, that guy that just said that about Shane, that's his boy. They're on the show together all the time. That's his boy.

[Matt]

Which guy? The redhead guy?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, the guy sound half as reasonable or whatever.

[Top Lobster]

The guy. He probably just met Gary, the numbers guy today. But what do they have in common?

[Matt]

They hate. They hate Jesus? Well, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Why?

[Matt]

I don't know. I thought Christianity was, like, popular now. Isn't that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it is. But what are they?

[Matt]

Wankers?

[Top Lobster]

Yes, that's true. And.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. And he's alluding to the idea that they're Jewish.

[Top Lobster]

They Are. And this is, but this is what you get from that dude. That guy, that guy specifically is a religious Jew. He observes which one, the other, the other gay looking dude, Gary the numbers.

[David Lee Corbo]

Guy is like a Luciferian Jew.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, same thing.

[Matt]

Really.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean this is a guy who.

[Top Lobster]

Has a big problem though. You see what we're dealing with? This is why, like the hostility.

[Matt]

Not concerning myself with any of that, bro. I'm just like, well, whatever they're doing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is like, whatever, whatever's happening on the world stage is Cashman just read the word of God on a show where that does not happen in the presence of people who, who cannot stand the word of God. And that's all he did. And then he, and then he bounced, dude. And then he bounced. So hats off to Shane Cashman. One of the, I think one of the more powerful things I've seen in sort of like the Internet influencer corner that we, that we, we dabble in here. Really, really, really cool moment. And so I love to see it. But that, that's, that's it. That's all I wanted to say. Shout out to Cash.

[Top Lobster]

Very powerful moment.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very, very powerful. Very powerful.

[Top Lobster]

I'm glad that he was like allowed to talk. The only reason Shane was allowed to talk about it is because the rapport that he did bring to the show already.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So like Tim has a certain level of respect for him, but anytime that scripture or the Bible or religion specifically coming from the Christian standpoint has been brought up on Tim cast, it's been shot down very fast.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but, but Tim has a lot of respect for, for Cashman and you know, Cashman will always say that too. He's like, yeah, dude, he lets me, you know, he doesn't make me censor my ideas. Even though he's on Tim cast as a, as a umbrella company, he's allowed to talk to whoever he wants. There's never any like that. So, you know, say what you will about Tim and I've said a lot of things, but at least he's a decent enough dude to do that. So, you know, Tim cast IRL ended up being a platform for the Word of God.

[Top Lobster]

This is an interesting one. Jonathan Greenroy says that we should cover Mephizabeth, the Promise of David with the son of Jonathan. And I do want to cover the, the story of David. That's, that's a big story. But I mean, guess we're still on hell right now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, are we still on hell? We haven't held at all.

[Matt]

We haven't even Started.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are we gonna.

[Matt]

Hell, no. I'm down for whatever. Come on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do it up then, dude.

[Matt]

Mephibosheth. That's what they want to talk about. That.

[David Lee Corbo]

The. What was that?

[Matt]

The son. The son of Saul that was like.

[Top Lobster]

The son of Jonathan. Soul son.

[Matt]

Son of Jonathan that was crippled. And David took care of him the rest of his life?

[Top Lobster]

I think so, yeah. It will be. David makes him that pack.

[Matt]

I don't know that we're going to cover the life of David like, today.

[Top Lobster]

No, not today, but soon.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Can we.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can we talk about hell?

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

More flexible. And with stays under $250 a night, you can book a home that suits your exact needs. Book [e-mail] all right, so here. So here's the strange thing, man. In Matthew 25:41, this is the. This is the sheep and goat judgment. In verse 41, Jesus says this. He says, then shall he say unto them, on the left hand, depart from me, you cursed into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

[David Lee Corbo]

Everlasting fire.

[Matt]

So that gives us the time. Like. Like some people say that, like, oh, it's not eternal. Hell's not eternal.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, who's he talking to here?

[Matt]

This is. This is a. This is a story that Jesus is sharing with. I don't know. We got to go back to the beginning of the story, exactly who he's talking to.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, but this is a human man that he's. That he's talking to.

[Matt]

It's Jesus talking. Yeah, he's. He's going through, like, a bunch of stuff. There's, like, four pages written in red. If you look at this, this is all like. It's after the Matthew 24. Take heed that no man deceive you. And he tells everything about the end, and he's just going hard. It's all written in red. Written in red. Written in red. And then he talks about the sheep in the goats. Judgment, the judgment of the nations written.

[Top Lobster]

In red is a name, like a really good name of a, like a band or a show or something.

[Matt]

But, but so it's good, it's good to understand things in context. And we are just pulling out the specific passage though. 41. Then shall he say unto them on the left hand, depart from me, you cursed into everlasting fire. So regardless of the context, he's talking about everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. So he's making a point that there is such a thing as everlasting fire. It's not temporary, it's everlasting. And it was prepared for the devil and his angels. So the thought is that mankind.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is the lake of fire. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yes, Amen. Because hell, people who say hell is not eternal. Amen, but something is. There is eternal fire. Like Jesus alludes to it here. Eternal fire, everlasting fire. And we can pull up the passages to talk about that. The worm that dies. Not. There's. There's plenty of passages about this stuff. The very end of Isaiah talks about it that we'll be able to go look at the burning carcasses forever.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, so what do you make then of people who are saying, like, you know, there's Christians or Catholic or otherwise who are saying there is no hell. There is no sort of damnation, no, no suffering when you're judged that you're, you're going to befall for any.

[Matt]

You know, top and I talked about it on the last show that like they're saying it just means separation from God. It's like, if you don't think separation from God is torture, then good luck with everything.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Matt]

Like, good luck. Like, like, let's, let's say it's not burning and fire and torture and like little Nicky where they shove a pineapple up Hitler's ass at 3:00'. Clock. Like, like, let's say it's not that. What separation from God is torture. So I don't know what people are trying to get at. Like the Bible's clear, but I just want to make this point of what it is. Like what it is. It's everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. So our take on it.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's definitely not going to feel good.

[Matt]

No. Like, clearly the context is this is not good for you. I don't know why people would go out of their way to say, no, no, don't worry about it. Unless they're like, tickling people's ears, trying to make them feel good. Like, I don't know what you're gaining from that. Like. Like, if the scripture is very plain on this, I. I don't know why you try to make it say something it doesn't say. But I just want to keep getting back to this point. It's everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. God has done everything he's going to do to rescue back from the dead. He's gone on this rescue mission. He's come down, he let people spit in his face and rip his beard out and died this bloody, torturous death to buy you back from the dead. That was his way to buy you back for you to enter into eternal life with him. He has done that. There's nothing more he can do. He's doing everything he can to buy you back from the dead. If you choose to follow like the passage says, the devil and his angels. God says, okay, you go right ahead. It's. Remember, we read it's God's will that all would be saved. We just read that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That all would repent and be saved. But he doesn't overstep his boundaries with you. And if you. If you choose to follow Satan and his angels, that's their ultimate destiny is. Is in the lake of fire, into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. So we'll. We'll just pull it up in Revelation 20, verse 10. And the devil that deceived them. So this is where a lot of this is coming from. Deception. The devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night, forever and ever. I don't know how that can be any clearer.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and false prophet are and shall be tormented day.

[Top Lobster]

So this is false prophet there. So the beast, the devil, they're talking about Elohim entities, but false prophet, they're.

[Matt]

Talking about very specific ones. They're very specifically talking about Satan. Mm. They're very specifically talking about the beast and the false prophet. There's like this triune entity, and before.

[David Lee Corbo]

It'S the devil and his angels.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Matt]

Right. And it's a place where there will be tormented day and night, forever and ever. Like. Like, that's just. I don't know. That's very clear, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

So if you put that in conjunction with what it said before, where it's the same place that the devil and his angels are going to. I mean, it's just an elaboration on that same place. It's a lake of fire and brimstone. And you're. And they are tormented forever and ever there.

[Matt]

Watch this. We'll just keep reading. Verse 11. And I saw a great white throne. This is the great white throne. Judgment is what we refer to. This and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God. And the books were opened, and another book was open, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, plural, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them. So hell is almost like a holding place. Now, Death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them. And they were judged, every man, according to their work. So anybody who's in hell now is going to come out, get judged. And then verse 14. And death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

[Top Lobster]

Very clear.

[Matt]

I don't understand how that's, like, debatable, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a spiritual.

[Top Lobster]

What do Jews think about hell? Hell, because they're not going to observe the New Testament. I think that's a lot of what that guy, whatever his name is, was like. That guy's kind of foolish, you know, Everything that you said here was more accurate. Well, he's also reading from the New Testament. He's reading.

[Matt]

Let's look at Isaiah, dude. Like the very end of Isaiah. But. But they understood eternal life because back to David. When David's son dies, David sins with Bathsheba. And you have the whole thing nine months later, which is staggering. Nathan comes and rebukes him. He hasn't repented for nine months, which is staggering. You kind of missed that if you don't read it slow.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait a second. I'm sorry, can I interject here? Because you said, what did the Jews think about hell? I've got two fascinating things here. So the Jewish word closest to hell is gehennam, and gehenna is not.

[Top Lobster]

Let's just use that word.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this is not eternal. This is understood as a spiritual cleansing process. It's more of a rehab, not a prison. Purification, not punishment.

[Matt]

Nowhere in the scripture.

[David Lee Corbo]

Temporary, not eternal. Here we go.

[Matt]

We Just read that it's eternal.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Talmud teaches that the maximum amount of stays, time you're going to stay in there is about 12 months. So you're going to do longer in a federal prison in, in the physical realm than you are going to do in the spiritual realm for your spiritual transgressions after judgment.

[Matt]

Nothing in the Bible teaches that it's temporary. Like nothing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Only extremely wicked individuals might stay longer. And even then the language is symbolic, not literal. This is why Jews never recite the mourners kadish for more than 11 months because it's saying it for 12 implies that your, you think your loved one is extra wicked. So I guess the mourner's kadish is something that you say for your passed on loved one who maybe you suspect.

[Matt]

Is in Gehenna that's incredibly convenient for Jesus indulgences. So anybody who wants to bring up this concept of so called purgatory, which is what this is alluding to, that it's like a refining place that goes hand in hand with what's called indulgences. You guys are familiar with indulgences?

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not familiar with indulgences.

[Matt]

Yeah, that's where the Catholic Church had people praying, paying, I'm sorry, paying to get their dead loved ones out of purgatory. So. So it's very convenient. It's very convenient. There's a place called Purgatory and you're paying for your sins there. And somehow after death you'll be able to get out of there. And one of those ways is paying Catholic priests or popes or whatever to get them out of purgatory. So you can't. So you can never talk about these passages or this context of purgatory without talking about indulgences because they go hand in hand. There's only Purgatory because there's indulgences. That a Catholic priest or pope could get people out of purgatory if you paid them enough money.

[Top Lobster]

Let's look into this. So what did you. Can you read that, what you said about Gehenna again?

[David Lee Corbo]

Which part? So the part where you stay in.

[Matt]

There 12 months or less. No, it's alluded to that that was like a garbage dump that, where the fire was always burning and carcasses were there burning. And so that's why Jesus used it as a, as like a metaphor of what hell is like referring to it as.

[Top Lobster]

Well, here's what it is. It's called the Valley of Hinnom. The Valley of Hinnom or gay Hinnom. And it's a real valley outside of Jerusalem where ancient Israelites committed child sacrifice to false gods. Oh, okay. That's kind of crazy. Yeah.

[Matt]

So, I mean, that's a nice allusion to hell, I would think.

[Top Lobster]

He called the Pharisees children of that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, this is. It's a refiner's fire. It's a place of truth and revelation. Okay, so this place that is their hell is a place of truth and revelation, and one where the soul confronts its own deeds.

[Top Lobster]

A place where child sacrifice happens.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then you go there and you think about it.

[Matt]

Good luck. Okay, so back to what we were saying about what does the Old Testament say about this? I was talking about the story about David. Nathan comes and rebukes him. It's been nine months. He says the child's gonna die. And then God strikes the child sick, and seven days later, the child dies. That messes a lot of people's doctrine up, messes up a lot of theology. But it's very plain in the scripture. God strikes the child sick, seven days later, the child dies. He's fasting and mourning, and then after the child is dead, he stops fasting and mourning. And they say, what the heck? Like, you were fasting and mourning, like, while the child was still alive and now you're not? He says, yeah, I was fasting in morning to try to get God to. To maybe not kill my child. But now that the child's dead, I can't bring him back to me, but I will go be with him. So clearly they understood eternity. They understood eternity now, like, the punishment end of it, the hell part of it. I mean, I don't know. There's a lot of these passages, like we read, where Korah gets swallowed up into the earth, and it's understood that hell is somewhere in the earth. Through the Old Testament, what was the.

[Top Lobster]

Scripture that we read about? It was in. Was it in Genesis, where it talks about Korah, but it doesn't mention Korah.

[Matt]

It says that, oh, Abraham and Dathan, I think, was the other guys that were with Korah.

[Top Lobster]

Right. What verse was that?

[Matt]

It was in 2 Peter, chapter 3. I forget what verse, but. But here's the end of Isaiah. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass that from one new moon to another and from one Sabbath to another shall all flesh come to worship before me, sayeth the Lord.

[Top Lobster]

What scripture?

[Matt]

Yet I'm at the very end of Isaiah, chapter 66, verses 22 through 24. And they shall go forth and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me. For their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched. And they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh. That's how the book of Isaiah ends. So the Jewish people are certainly familiar with that passage. So I don't know if people decide that it's just a refining. That seems like quite the gamble, man. That seems like quite the gamble. Like it's appointed in a man wants to die and after that the judgment. We talked about that passage earlier because it was in regards to where you're like, you get born and you're another animal or you're a butterfly in your next life.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

What's it called again?

[Top Lobster]

Reincarnation.

[Matt]

Reincarnation. People talk about reincarnation. It's appointed unto man wants to die. And after that the judgment. So they're saying it's appointed unto man wants to die. Then they can go through some kind of process of purifying and then the judgment. That's. It doesn't work like that. Nowhere in the scripture would allude to that.

[Top Lobster]

What was the scripture for second Peter again?

[Matt]

It's two Peter, chapter three. And what were we looking for again?

[Top Lobster]

When he basically tells the story of.

[Matt]

Of Korra, it's in like the beginning versus it's in two or three. With stays under $250 a night, VRBO makes it easy to celebrate sweater weather. You could book a cabin stay with.

[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

Or a brownstone in a city where festivals are just a walk away. Or a lakeside home with a fire pit for cozy nights with friends. Or if you're not a sweater person.

[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug Limu.

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[David Lee Corbo]

So what is the. And I. I don't really know. Like, I hate to bring them up.

[Matt]

But, you know, maybe it's not too Peter 3. Oh, no. It's in Psalms. It's in Psalms 106. Sorry, that was the other passage we referenced.

[David Lee Corbo]

What is Jacob Israel claim to that hell is.

[Matt]

I don't know. I don't watch any of that stuff. Top was like talking about him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Matt]

He wanted to say that hell's not real. I don't know. Like, I'm not. I don't really like to get into it. I'm just straight Bible, like.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I mean, I'm not even saying it to like dunk on him or anything. I'm just trying to understand, like, what he's saying.

[Top Lobster]

What.

[David Lee Corbo]

What is it that he's claiming?

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

That Kirk Cameron claimed it. So he's right.

[Matt]

Yeah. I don't know. I'm still not even totally clear.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe he posted about.

[Matt]

But he was just saying he wanted to say that hell's not eternal. It's not an eternal place of torture. So who knows?

[Top Lobster]

Maybe right here.

[Matt]

So maybe we're just splitting hairs, man. Like, I don't know. But if you're separated from God. Yeah, to me, that's torture.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so he says Psalms 106.

[Matt]

So for some people, maybe it's not torture. People who don't love God. Like, if you don't love God and you're going to be separated from him for all eternity, I don't know, maybe heaven would be hell for you.

[Top Lobster]

Those are. Those are the same type of people, though, that live in hell and deny it. But 106, 16. They envy Moses, also in the camp. And Aaron, the saint, the saint of the Lord. The earth opened up and swallowed Daythan and covered up the company of Abraham. And a fire was kindled in their company. A flame burned up the wicked. Is that pertaining to the same exact. The same story?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Like the earth opened up and then there was a fire in their company.

[Matt]

Well, remember it said that the plague spread through the camp and then Aaron had to run in between and stand between the living and the dead. Dead, like. Like people were drop, drop, drop, drop, drop. And Aaron ran in. In the middle. Can you imagine? He has the center and he stands there like this dude. And the people are drop, drop, drop, drop, drop. And it gets to him. And he's standing with the sensor like this, and it says he stood between the living and the dead. Like, everybody on this side didn't die. Everybody on that side died. Remember, that was the context when we said the big difference between apostasy and faith.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

All right, but. Sorry, I didn't mean to. I just Think like, that's like a very plain teaching. And if somebody thinks hell doesn't exist, no problem. No problem.

[David Lee Corbo]

Endless torture isn't biblical. And yet country music Scar. Zach. Oh, okay. Because I'm reading one of Jacob's tweets. There was a weird thing where Zach Brown did this whole satanic ritual, but.

[Top Lobster]

There'S nothing in there.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's nothing new there.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know how to say this person's name. We don't really have a problem with them, but if you're going to come after us and say bullshit it, we're gonna say it back. We're gonna say the truth back. So this is the truth. We've been nice up until now.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I mean, I'm still. We're still being nice. No, no, no, I'm not. Your back nice.

[Top Lobster]

The. The. That that he told me in the private messages was demeaning, talking down. When in reality, I see the power in the relationship or whatever relationship that we have with him as completely opposite. So I don't need to be talked down to somebody that doesn't understand the Bible, somebody that claims to be a prophet, someone that's saying these things. He can come back, he can apologize. He can say like, yeah, I was talking a lot of. And I was wrong. I was talking stuff about your boy, too. Calling him out, wasting time, running, asking for debates, running from debates. It is. It is a waste of time. And I actually do feel. I'm sorry, Matt. I feel bad for even asking you to do that.

[Matt]

I'm not sweating it, bro. I'm not sweating it at all.

[Top Lobster]

I know, but. Well, what I will say, though, is that I'm just not gonna. Like, if you. If you're gonna talk shit, then I'm gonna say something back, and I'm better at it. So just be careful. Also, be careful with the heresy that's dangerous for your own soul.

[Matt]

Yeah. And when he initially brought it up, I was happy to do it, but then he bailed, and then it was like, okay, well, bro, I'm not gonna spend. Like, we're doing a thing now. Like, we have a very specific study that we do now. Like, we're out promoting truth, like, preaching the gospel. I'm not gonna stop doing that. That and nothing against Jacob Israel. I'm not going to stop doing that to argue with anybody. Not just him, just not against anybody. Like, we. Like, we have a platform to preach the gospel. I don't have. And that's why I sent you that Nehemiah passage. I'm not going to come down off the wall and stop the work that I'm doing to do anything else. I'm not going to argue with anybody else. We have a platform, but there are gospel. Let's just do that.

[Top Lobster]

But there are people who are, like, saying things about you.

[Matt]

No problem.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And I'm just showing them the door.

[Matt]

No, and I respect that right hand corner. But it's all good. Like, I'm not. I'm not sweating it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, no, no, me neither. But please leave. Thank you. Yeah, we can continue. That's how. That's how I play the game.

[Matt]

What just happened? You just got nasty with somebody in the chat.

[Top Lobster]

They can go like, this is it. This is the thing. Like, I'm not here to people, please. Well, you know what? Here to please you.

[David Lee Corbo]

If you got a problem of it, there's this one person in the chat who, like, always has something say to say about you.

[Matt]

You.

[David Lee Corbo]

They go, I don't like madness. Where's the episodes without it? And then they just revealed themselves to be like. And by the way, don't talk about Jacob Israel.

[Top Lobster]

I said, oh, it's because of the new.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's bullshit.

[Top Lobster]

See, when you're doing what we're doing, you're gonna get pushback from. From people.

[Matt]

Yeah, but I don't care. I just want to focus on preaching the gospel, not getting in little bickering arguments.

[Top Lobster]

It's not a big.

[Matt]

Somebody says, what's up with hell?

[Top Lobster]

We just got the microphone.

[Matt]

This is what the Bible says about hell. If somebody else debates that, no problem.

[Top Lobster]

No, I got the microphone and I say goodbye. So you're out. Yeah, that's. That's how this works.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Simple as that. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, anyway, so hell is real.

[Top Lobster]

Hell is real. You just got banished to the underworld, baby. I just. I listen my show, I respect it personal. You gotta go. We. We're all moving in a certain direction.

[Matt]

You are a gangster and you are kind of like taking. Take dominion and situations and stuff. And I respect that and love that. I'm just saying, for me, yeah, I'll just preach the gospel. Like, I should have never had a platform like this to preach the gospel. Like you guys just walked in one day. I saw you walking with a Nephilim shirt. Yeah, The Raven was in the back dumpster digging around, trying to find the punch cards with the 10 punches on them. When I dumped the garbage in there, he's like, I came in, what are you doing?

[David Lee Corbo]

And I bought a coffee.

[Matt]

We became buddies with my own money. That was Cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then I sat out for.

[Matt]

And somehow I got some platform to preach the gospel. I'm not coming down off the wall like Nehemiah's building to argue with people.

[David Lee Corbo]

I just thought it was funny because that, that one in particular person has a lot to say. And I've seen him in the comments and I kind of remember the name and then I saw that and it was just a little bit of pulling the curtain criticism.

[Top Lobster]

If it's his face.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

If it's his. The ears.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's crazy though, cuz they're like, don't talk about Jacob Israel as you read scripture.

[Matt]

Yeah, I, but I, but if Jacob Israel says something different from scripture, that's okay. Like, that's okay. It's no problem. It's just like, hey, here's the scripture. We're not here to bicker about it. I think it would be very crazy to tell people there's no eternal fire and then come to find out there is. That would. Of all the things that'd be a huge. That I wouldn't want to be held accountable before God for. That would be the main one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Matt]

I would, I would be very careful with that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, it is what it is.

[Top Lobster]

Listen, I'll respect people until they don't respect me. And I feel like I did respect and show respect to him. He disrespectful.

[Matt]

Are you mad? Are you like beefing with him or whoever was in the chat?

[Top Lobster]

Well, they don't know, but they're gone now, so it doesn't matter. But yeah, no, you just don't, don't disrespect. Especially when it comes to like this, this biblical stuff. Like it's very clear what's written in this book. I've read it a number of times and what I got from him in the messages was like basically heresy. Saying like, well, if you're reading the book, how do you know that that's completely true? Because it says that it's not written by God. It's kind of like inspired by. So you're playing this weird sleight of hand.

[David Lee Corbo]

So we're very dangerous doctrine from.

[Top Lobster]

Made it up like this one. He said, well, because I pray, so I hear things. When I pray is like, well, what are you hearing, dog?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a huge problem. Because now what you're an authority on the, on the word of God that doesn't come through the Bible, but comes through your own interpretation from these spiritual inner, inner.

[Top Lobster]

And when you're talking to 200,000 people, this gets A little bit weird. So now it's my job to call you out on it. And I'm sorry to do this, but that's what we're doing. We're calling you out because you're leading people astray, and that's just not what we're going to have here.

[David Lee Corbo]

I didn't know that that's how he was getting his. His doctrine.

[Top Lobster]

You read it. You.

[David Lee Corbo]

I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

[Top Lobster]

He seen it. And I was just like, wow, it's crazy. That's crazy. And then he's like, you're getting all mad. I was like, I wasn't really getting mad in the messages.

[Matt]

But now he was writing you these long things, and you were writing, like.

[Top Lobster]

Just read the Bible. I was like, read the Bible. It's very clear.

[Matt]

And then I don't care. Like, I don't want to get sidetracked by this. Is all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. It's like, bro, we have a show. We could say whatever we want. We could preach the gospel every week. Every Wednesday, we're putting out a message like, I don't want to stop and bicker with people about stuff. If he thinks hell isn't a place to torture and we talk through it, who knows? Maybe we would end up saying the same thing. Because people like to split hairs over definitions. I don't think so. I don't think we would.

[Top Lobster]

Sometimes you got to take out the.

[Matt]

Chat, but that's okay.

[Top Lobster]

I have been. I have the train.

[Matt]

We're all on the journey, bro. Like, all on the journey. Maybe he's going to come around and look at it.

[Top Lobster]

Very nice to. To the insults as of late and acting like, oh, yeah, you guys are this. You guys. Isn't that. I've been like, thank you. Thank you.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've been doing really good.

[Top Lobster]

I've been courteous, but now is the time for me to not be courteous. Now. This is like. I know a lot of people say, where did Top Lobster go? Top Lobster took a vacation.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, Come on. No, we don't got a dust.

[Top Lobster]

No, no. I just. I'm just peeking my head out and letting you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

What it is, you know, hard, bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

It was the Hidden in Plain Sight episode.

[Top Lobster]

No, hold you.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's pulled you out, dude. You've come back out, Raven.

[Top Lobster]

You've gotten soft.

[David Lee Corbo]

Don't do that.

[Top Lobster]

You've never been.

[David Lee Corbo]

Call me by my bird name, dude.

[Matt]

Okay, how do we get back to what we asked Everybody, if they want to do a study, and we went sideways.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, they said a bunch of things. Ruth, Ephesians, fasting. Actually, that's not a bad idea.

[David Lee Corbo]

What, fasting?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. End time prophecy. I don't know if Matt. Matt really doesn't like that. The words of Elijah, I would say.

[Matt]

I don't like it. I would just say, like, there's plenty of other people who specialize in end time prophecy. That's, like, not really my thing, man. Like, I don't. I don't know. I'm very comfortable saying I don't know how this all unfolds in the end times, man.

[Top Lobster]

This is the one. The book of Job.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Top Lobster]

I think that's the one to do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Cashman and I were just talking about that. He was reading it too, and. And I've been reading it, but I'm a slow reader, so I still haven't finished it. I haven't gotten to the part where he blessed Job. I just got into the part where Job is like, fuck, man. What is. You flatten my family.

[Top Lobster]

My dad's my dad. Like, a book.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then you got. You embarrassed me in front of your dad.

[Top Lobster]

Goes, did you finish reading that book? He goes, oh, yeah. Certain parts. He never read it.

[Matt]

Job is intriguing for this reason. Reason? Because to me, it's intriguing for this reason. Job's buddies, like, when they start arguing with Job, it's really like, they've got flawless doctrine. It's. It's a lot like the Pharisees, man. The things they're saying. Back to Job. Job is saying, like, no, no, these things aren't happening to me because of some wickedness that I've done. I've served the Lord faithfully. And they're saying, job, no man is righteous before God. Well, that's. That's like flawless New Testament theology, bro. That's, like, flawless doctrine. So, like, these guys are. These guys are right in the sense that, like, the Pharisees were right. Like, nobody was beating the Pharisees in debates before Jesus, dude. They were winning every debate. They had flawless doctrine. They have flawless theology. Job's buddies had flawless doctrine and flawless theology, too, but they couldn't understand the situation in real time. Like. Like, that's the big thing. Some people have flawless theology and doctrine, but they don't understand, like, what's happening in lifetime. They can't.

[David Lee Corbo]

So what do you think this is?

[Top Lobster]

Like, it pertains to music. I know. And you're gonna hate this, but if you're. If you're too caught up in the theory of music. You get trapped in this box where you can't play live or improvise. This is the same sort of thing. You have to know both. You have to know the theory and then be able to come out of it and understand the real life situations. And some of these people are autistically caught into that book. Some people aren't even reading it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Jacob Israel, what do you think?

[Matt]

You don't have to keep doing that, man.

[Top Lobster]

I know. I'm talking about the biblical character, Jacob Israel. How could he have read the name of Israel? He couldn't have read the New Testament.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because I'm. I'm reading through it and yeah, I agree. They all seem to have flawless doctrine. Yeah. What do you think the. The correct approach is? Is just like, it's not up to you to understand the machinations of. Of the Lord?

[Matt]

Maybe. Yeah. Like, I love it that they came to just be with them. And I think in the beginning it says they just sat with him in silence.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but they sat there for seven days. Yeah.

[Matt]

Before they got pissy, man. Like, that's what people need, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but. Well, I would. What I will admit is if I'm with you for a straight week, well, I guess your whole family just died. If I'm with you for an extended period of time, at what point do I have the right, or do I not have the right to be like, yo, dude, like, get up and stop.

[Matt]

I don't know, weeping. No, he's got the scabs. He's got boils on his. But I don't know if it's a physical ailment. I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's a fair question. And we've probably all had buddies were like, bro, snap out of it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, come on, dude, isn't that.

[Matt]

So that's a fair point to do.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is like, say, hey, dude, it's time to. There's a time for morning.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then there's a time to get up and dust yourself off and continue on.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's a tough one. It's a tough one.

[David Lee Corbo]

But they do get nasty with them. And then that one young dude gets super.

[Top Lobster]

You guys want to read it? You want to start reading from 140 chapters?

[Matt]

And if we get locked into it, like, can we. Can we just summarize it and then we can just like talk about it a little bit in the summary. And Doug, here we have the limu.

[Top Lobster]

Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance. And save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Uh, Limu.

[Matt]

Is that guy with the binoculars watching us?

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

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[Matt]

So it starts off with like this dude, he's the greatest man of the man.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, can I give it a crack? And then, because I. This is like the one I actually read.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I realized, okay, so this is what I remember. This is what I remember. So.

[Matt]

So how does it start?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, job crushes, he's rich, he's a good dude. He's pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. He's like the wealthiest man.

[Matt]

Let's go in the.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, basically, like in the land. Right. And, and daughters.

[Top Lobster]

Three. Seven sons, three daughters.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, like he's, he's blessed pretty much in every way, shape or form. And the Lord is well pleased with them. And, and God is in this council. I don't know if he's in the council of angels yet, but Satan comes slinking in.

[Matt]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

And this is something that's interesting. I brought it up to you because I wasn't sure where they were meeting.

[Matt]

When the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord. And Satan came also among them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. So where is that happening, I wonder? Because if that's happening in a heavenly realm and they're supposed to be what, seven or something like that. Like does Satan have access to seven? What, seven layers of heaven?

[Matt]

And scripture doesn't say that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Or is it four or three? My numbers.

[Matt]

I mean, Paul refers to the third heaven. So logic tells us there has to be a first and second.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Matt]

It doesn't say there's not a fourth or fifth. But. But it only alludes to three.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, so Satan, you know, he's like, yo, what's up? Where you been at? And they came like me, they just.

[Top Lobster]

Came to meet for really no reason.

[Matt]

Yeah, but it's weird because the accuser just Shows up like, everything's cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's what's weird. Yeah.

[Matt]

He doesn't even, like, bring up, like, hey, bro, how about all that stuff with Adam? Like, been a real.

[Top Lobster]

And this is what I respect about n. Nancy and the people in the back there. If there's somebody that doesn't belong in that Bible study, this is close.

[David Lee Corbo]

You're not. You don't belong here. Remember the time they were like that.

[Matt]

They're like, oh, you're not from our political party and have the same money and socioeconomic status as us.

[Top Lobster]

We're praying for the Republican Party right now, dog. What are you doing? So you're an independent.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, all right. So let me see if I can. So, so Satan comes in and he's like, what you been doing? And Satan's like, oh, I've been just like, like, moseying around the earth, checking out creation this and that, and then.

[Top Lobster]

Walking up and down from it. Wow.

[Matt]

The Lord's like, going in and out of realms. Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And the Lord's like, yo, have you.

[Top Lobster]

Biblical what we're doing, though? Because, I mean, we're letting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Gen Z Bible.

[Matt]

No, he's. He's crushing right now.

[Top Lobster]

All right, all right. So by the way, one of our. One of our listeners said that they. They run like, the audio for their 501C3 church and stuff like that, and their daughter is doing like, the Christmas play, but they're reading from the Gen Z Bible, which is very funny.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's the silly.

[Matt]

I don't even know what the Gen Z Bible is.

[David Lee Corbo]

They basically the Bible. Like, I'm.

[Top Lobster]

Can we read the Gen Z Bible?

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe, but let me let. Try to muscle finish. So the Lord's like, yo, have you seen my. My servant job? Like, he crushes, right?

[Matt]

Yes, the Lord brings it up. Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And Satan's like, yeah, he crushes. But I mean, his life is pretty sweet. I bet you if his life wasn't pretty sweet, he wouldn't crush so hard.

[Top Lobster]

Does he fear God for not, though.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right, right.

[Top Lobster]

So.

[David Lee Corbo]

So God's like, oh, you think so? Like, you think that if we made. If we took away all of his blessings that he would curse me?

[Matt]

Okay, okay. Don't miss this, though. His accusations. This is heavy, dude. His accusation is the prosperity gospel. That's Satan's accusation against him is like, yeah, he's only serving you because of the prosperity gospel because of the benefit and the gain he gets from serving you. The second you take away the benefits that he gets from serving You. He'll curse you to your face.

[Top Lobster]

Fair point, though. No, it is for most people.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a fair point because that does. That's the nature.

[Top Lobster]

Matt doesn't agree with that.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's the nature of man.

[Matt]

No, I just think it's intriguing that, like, how could you ever get down with the prosperity gospel in light of this? Dude, that's Satan's accusation. He's only serv you because of the benefit and the gain he gets from it. Not because you're worthy of it. Because he wants the gain that he gets from it. I like the word is a lot of American Christianity. So maybe Satan thought, yeah, Job's just like the rest of them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Take away his Lamborghini oxen.

[Matt]

And he had Job wrong, bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. So basically, God is like, all right, I'll take that bet. And then all this befalls Job. His. His family gets flattened by a house. His. I think a huge percentage of his herd ends up dying or something like that. His.

[Top Lobster]

I think this is in their brother's house. Their brother's house fell down.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But. But they end up. He ends up losing, like, a giant percentage of his oxen.

[Top Lobster]

Who's the Sabians? Just some people.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I don't. I guess they.

[Matt]

Well, that's an intriguing thing. There's a lot of stuff in Job that we're not. Like, it's. There's no reference to Abraham kind of reference to anybody. It's like, when and where is the story. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So it seems like some people just came and killed all their animals. Right.

[Matt]

I seen a guy said it was before Adam, but I'm not getting into all that.

[David Lee Corbo]

All of. All of Job's things that made him, you know, wealthy, they all just fall to.

[Matt]

Well, look, the fire of God has fallen from heavens. Like lightning was hitting and stuff. Yeah, there's stuff in this story.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he got nasty.

[Matt]

And bumpy can control weather too. Yeah, like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, he's a. He's a principality of. Of the wind.

[Matt]

I know people don't like that, but, like, he. He had control over weather. Weather in this story.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, Job ends up all bumpy and nasty and childless because they're all dead and everything that made him rich.

[Top Lobster]

The devil controlled the weather.

[Matt]

I'm not saying that the scripture says.

[David Lee Corbo]

It with what, like a. Maybe like technology?

[Matt]

While he was yet speaking, there came also another and said, the fire of God has fallen from heaven. And it burned up the sheep and the servants and consumed them. And I only am escaped alone to tell you. Yeah, that's the thing in this.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what happens. All these people keep coming to me, like, only I escaped.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. And I think we get that in like, movies. Don't you always say the Bible's like a great archetype for like, movies and books and stuff, where there's like, one who's left to go and tell the story? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And a lot of the times you'll even see that in like a. You know, the bad guys will let one go to go and tell this.

[Top Lobster]

I'll be like, did you do this?

[Matt]

Yeah. Verse 19. Behold, there came a great wind from the. From the wilderness and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young man and they're dead. And I'm only escaped to tell you. So it's like whatever that is a.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hurricane, the way it's like he's standing there. And one dude comes running up with hard, horrifying news. Another dude comes running up with horrifying news and another dude. And it just keeps happening to him. And then he's bumpy and nasty, so.

[Matt]

All of his family dies. Then Job arose and ripped his Mantle in verse 20 and shaved his head and fell down upon the ground and worshiped. And Doug, here we have the Limu.

[Top Lobster]

Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

[Matt]

Uh, limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

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[David Lee Corbo]

That's pretty gangster.

[Top Lobster]

His mantle.

[Matt]

No, no, I don't think he had a guitar or drums or bass. He fell on the ground and worship. No, you got to begin to understand this dude. Like, it's not, it's not. Worship is music and music is worship. If you use music to worship, worship, great. But that is not what happened here. There wasn't a three piece band came out and started playing how great is our God. That's not what happened, man.

[Top Lobster]

What is the mantle? Is that like his, his robe?

[Matt]

Clothes, man. But look what he says. Yeah, he ripped it and he took. He took like no identification with the natural realm. He said, naked came I out of my mother's womb and naked shall I return. The Lord gave and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord in all this job sin not nor charged God foolishly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

And that's what we were talking about on the previous episode. Charging God fool foolishly. I. But I know he disagreed with me. He was like, I don't know about all that. We got to look into that. But I think, I think Adam charged God foolishly and there was. And Saul did as well.

[David Lee Corbo]

So.

[Top Lobster]

Well, soul charged the people.

[David Lee Corbo]

His. His homies come. Right. Like that's basically what happens is like his longtime friends show up and they try to console him and they hang with them, I think for like seven days we were saying earlier in the show, just being with them. And then eventually they start on this page. Big tirade against him for continuing to like mope around like a. Who just family and his.

[Top Lobster]

So the devil comes again. The angels are meeting again.

[Matt]

Word, chapter two. Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

The devil comes again. So he's just privy to these meetings. I wonder why they're.

[Matt]

They're. They're meeting up. Is it Psalm 82? Like there's a regular meeting, dude. Like they're, they're regularly like meeting up.

[Top Lobster]

Why is. Why is he allowed in the presence of God?

[Matt]

I mean there's a universe that's being run. I don't know. I'm. I don't know the details because I live on the earth. But like there's, there's stuff going on, dude. In the unseen real. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is the basis of a lot of like Gnostic principle that ends up coming to the conclusion that Satan is a necessary adversarial spirit who has a job. Maybe even Satan is a job title like the adversary or the, the prosecutor.

[Matt]

Yeah, I think Kaiser explains it like that. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it's meant to basically test the metal of man. That without this. This adversarial thing to overcome.

[Top Lobster]

Similar to the angel of death, like this is an angel still. He carries out God's will.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

It's just death.

[Matt]

Here's Psalm 82. God stands in the congregation of the mighty. He judges among the lowercase g, gods. That's what we're reading in Job. Yeah, that's the congregation of the lowercase g gods. How long will you judge unjustly and accept the persons of the wicked? These ones that rule over territories, they're. They're unjustly judging. And then it says, salah, it says, really stop and think about this. How long will you judge unjustly? You guys rule over territories. Prince of Persia, Gabriel had to get through. Michael had to come, get him through. How long are you guys going to act like that and accept the persons of the wicked, Defend the poor and fatherless, do justice to the afflicted and needy, Deliver the poor and needy, rid them out of the hand of the wicked. They know not, they know not, neither will they understand. They walk on in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are out. Of course, I have said, you are God, gods and all. You are children of the most high, direct creations of God. But you're going to die like men and shall fall like one of the princes. Arise, O God, judge the earth, for you shall inherit all nations. But that's the context is these ones that rule over nations. So, yeah, it looks like it's something similar to Psalm 82. There's this congregation, like when we say, what are they doing? It's kind of like saying, what are they doing in the White House today? Or what are they doing in Tallahassee? Like, they're all like, there's this governmental structure, they're meeting up. There's things going on. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not there. I live on the earth. I'm not totally sure, but I know that there's a structure. There's a structure to the spirit realm.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is interesting, too, when you think about the way that Satan was cast out of the garden, and then the way Satan is then received in this moment, it.

[Top Lobster]

This is before.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, this starts to beg the question, is this the same Satan? Right. Because in the garden he's stripped of his priestly robes and cast out. Out and pretty much cursed, right? And then this version that we see is kind of doesn't seem to be the same level of. Of.

[Matt]

I don't know. I think the same guy. I just think that's a characteristic of this dude, man. If this creature, Satan is that. He's just like. He's not even addressing what went wrong. He just shows. He's like, yeah, I'm not doing anything.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but wouldn't God be like, I've cursed you?

[Matt]

I guess not. I. I guess he's just like, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it might be before. This is what you were just. I never thought about it before.

[Matt]

It was before I just heard somebody say that.

[David Lee Corbo]

The other thing is, if it's a title and you've stripped a previous entity of that title and then given the title to something else because it's a necessary occupation.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's kind of where there's a whole school of thought that says, satan the adversary, the prosecutor is a. Is a. Is a necessary title. The one in the garden went too far, went beyond. What he was allowed to do, was stripped of the title, title, and then the title, then the mantle was passed on to something else, another entity.

[Matt]

I don't know. In Revelation, it talks about that old serpent called the devil. It looks like it's the same one. Okay. All along that. That's my take. But if. If Michael Heiser thinks different, like, I'm.

[David Lee Corbo]

Not sure if that's even what Heiser thinks.

[Matt]

I don't want to, you know, say, I'm right, he's wrong, but it. To me, it looks like, oh, that's interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Can't argue back. It's fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, yeah, I mean, he's dead. Heiser doesn't think the serpent in the. In the garden and the Satan and Job are the same. I mean, that's interesting.

[Matt]

It's just a title. Yeah, that's interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Well, also, like, when you're talking about the serpent, we're talking about the classification of angel, a seraphim, which is identified as, like this. I mean, people talk about, like, reptilians or dragonsh. Yeah. Maybe they kind of have this similar.

[Matt]

Features, but in Ezekiel or Isaiah, one of those prophecies where it's talking about, he's the anointed cherub that covers. He's like a cherub.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which then is like, face of an oxen, face of a eagle, face of a man, and face of a lion.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

High five.

[Matt]

Okay, you're going strong right now. Keep going.

[David Lee Corbo]

I got a headache.

[Matt]

No, I love where you're going with this dude. You're not gassy, like.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he's a little good.

[Matt]

You're not whiny. Everything you're not like, yawning, Everything's good, bro.

[David Lee Corbo]

The gassy. I am, I am gassy. So as far as I got was when I went through all of the different.

[Top Lobster]

Get to chapter two.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, no, no. I went through all of the different arguments where they're all chastising him, and he's basically over and over again saying, no, you don't understand hand. Like, I've not done anything to garner the wrath of the Lord.

[Matt]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

And he's not cursing the Lord, but he's just. He's pissed off with them. And he's also saying, like, kill me. Just end this. Like, I just let it be done. Then if you're gonna kill me, kill me.

[Matt]

Well, God's almost mad at him for, like, allowing their, like, their dark counsel. What does God say to me? He says, who are these ass hats?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, no, I didn't get there, okay? Because what all I got to was when the young one is now decided to pipe up in all of his wisdom, which is extra douchey because one of the dudes that came to counsel him or came to, you know, console him and then decided to counsel him is a young one. And he's like, I have been silent this entire time, and I have bore witness to your arguments and your arguments, but now it is my time to speak. And he's like, you know, out loud. The youngest one there and kind of seems like a bigger douche, but maybe I'm wrong about that. That so. And then that's. That's where I got. So that's like 30 something. Yeah. I don't know where the hell it is.

[Matt]

Yeah, like in chapter 32, it says, so these three men ceased to answer Job because he was righteous in his own eyes. Like, that's an intriguing statement, bro. We're not supposed to be righteous in our own eyes. Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu, the son of Barakal, the buzite of the kindred of Ram. Like, I don't know where all these places are against Job. Against Job. Was his wrath kindled because he justified himself rather than God? God. That seems like pretty good doctrine. But. But they just couldn't assess the situation in real time. Right Time.

[David Lee Corbo]

They just were assuming that he would have had to have transgressed and sinned in order for this thing to be full. They had no idea what was going on between Satan and God.

[Matt]

And by Job saying, like, no, I didn't do anything wrong to deserve this, they're saying like, no, Job, clearly you did. But but that wasn't what it was about. So their doctrine was right that no man's righteous before God, but their assessment of the situation was wrong, that this was a result of his unrighteousness.

[Top Lobster]

It's so crazy that they were like, yeah, Barakil, you know, the buzite of the kindred Ram. It's like. Like that means anything to anybody. Now, when is this?

[David Lee Corbo]

When is this?

[Top Lobster]

When is this?

[David Lee Corbo]

This is supposed to be one of the oldest books, right? I mean. Or as far as chronological goes, like.

[Top Lobster]

You know him of the kindred Ram.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know the kindred Ram.

[Top Lobster]

Come on, stop playing around. So this guy. This guy accuses Job, and you think Job actually sinned here and Job was, in his wrath, kindled because he justified himself?

[Matt]

Oh, no, no.

[Top Lobster]

He's saying.

[Matt]

Not saying Job.

[Top Lobster]

The other guy justified himself rather than God.

[Matt]

God, no, this guy is just making the point that, like, Job, you're not righteous. And he. And he's, like, mad at Job because of that, which, again, it's. It's not wrong. Doctrine. Like. Like, this is a big problem. People have, like, classroom doctrine, but it doesn't. It's not operational in real life. Like, the word of God, the living word of God is supposed to bring you into a living relationship with the author of the Bible.

[Top Lobster]

That's not what Gary the numbers guy says.

[Matt]

If it doesn't do that, then it's. It's not doing what it's supposed to do.

[Top Lobster]

All right, this is going to be one of those episodes where after he goes, I don't want to do this anymore. Well, what.

[David Lee Corbo]

What?

[Matt]

No, I like this.

[David Lee Corbo]

So can we start from that point? I mean, I guess I have to finish reading it. But what happens after the young. What happens when the young dude starts piping up? Because I got, like, same.

[Matt]

Yeah, it's same, but then. But then God says this in chapter 38.

[David Lee Corbo]

He says, this is after the young man because this is the young dude, the last of the homies to pipe.

[Matt]

I think so. And then it'll. It all just kind of goes. And then. And then God says this. And Doug, here we have the limu.

[Top Lobster]

Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

[Matt]

Uh, limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

Liberty. Liberty.

[Matt]

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[David Lee Corbo]

I like that.

[Matt]

That darkens counsel by words without knowledge. Is it to say, don't me and you already know each other, Job? Like, what are you doing with these guys?

[David Lee Corbo]

It's also interesting because it's showing you something like sound doctrine without intimate knowledge of a situation isn't always going to.

[Matt]

Sometimes, bro, you got to know the Lord, man. And it. And it doesn't matter if 10 out of 10 people are telling you you're wrong. You know the Lord.

[Top Lobster]

And how do you know the Lord? What do you do to know him?

[Matt]

How do you know your wife?

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife?

[Top Lobster]

You read about him.

[Matt]

Yeah. But then you ultimately start to live with. With him.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, you read their stor.

[Matt]

You know him just as much as you know your wife, just as much as you know your kids. Like, you know him like that. But watch what he says. He's got to be close to you to say this dude, in verse three, chapter 38, verse three. You have to be very close to the Lord for him to talk to you like this. Gird up your loins now like a man. For I'll demand of you an answer. I will demand of thee and. And answer thou Me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Damn, that's like, you know, square up.

[Matt]

Yeah, God talks to people he's close to, man.

[Top Lobster]

Square up.

[Matt]

That's how he talks to people. He says, I know my sheep and my sheep know my voice. Like, you got to be really close to him. And then he talks to you like this. Gird up your loins like a man, dude. You just let these dudes, like, do all this. Darken your council, yo.

[David Lee Corbo]

But what should he have done?

[Matt]

Who is this that darkens council by words without knowledge? Job, me and you already know each other. You already knew what was up. All this stuff came against you. You had this attack from, like, the strongest adversary, and you succeeded. And you let these guys come in and say all this. Damn, that's a no, dude, you're my guy, Job. Like, I. I put you up against Satan, like, Job. That's how. That's how much I'm tight with you, bro.

[Top Lobster]

You're making me look like a fool.

[Matt]

No, he's not saying that. He's saying, I put you up against the strongest adversary, and you did great, Job. But the difference between Jesus and Job. Job won against Satan. But he murmured. He complained. Right? I know. I'm guilty of that, too. Jesus came.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude, you complained.

[Matt]

Never complained. You complain.

[David Lee Corbo]

You complain. Oh, man.

[Top Lobster]

Complains. I mean, if one word.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was just saying that. Like, earlier here, I was like, he complained.

[Top Lobster]

He's a complainer.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what it is? Because you. A thing happens, and then you murmur.

[Matt]

Dude, but you murmur.

[Top Lobster]

He murmurs. He murmurs.

[Matt]

No, you guys are butchering, like, a big topic.

[Top Lobster]

He's solid on fake wife.

[Matt]

Big topic, dude.

[Top Lobster]

He'll go, yeah, these guys just.

[Matt]

They wanted murmuring. Sometimes we win the battle. Like, we're in this battle. We don't even know we end up in this battle, but we kind of complain through it. We catch ourselves complaining through it. Jesus went up and won and never complained through any of it. Joe won, but he complained through it.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't murmur, dude. Not. Not me.

[Top Lobster]

I complain.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't murmur.

[Top Lobster]

I do. I do. I should.

[David Lee Corbo]

You do. You murmur a lot. There's a lot of murmuring into your talk and text, but please continue. So. So.

[Top Lobster]

So you fight with God. What do you say when you fight with God? You'd be like, why did you bring these guys here?

[Matt]

What is. No, no, no. I'm not fighting with God. I'm just saying I start complaining about. No, not anything with the podcast. I've just found myself another.

[Top Lobster]

Guys, they waited for three months, and it's only 7%.

[Matt]

I'm a little bit familiar with this scenario where God's like, oh, you poor little baby. That sounds so terrible. How do you like all that unlimited food in your fridge, in your pantry? Hot water and cold water and turn the temperature any temperature you want. Your house and your car and your.

[David Lee Corbo]

Whole family's healthy and doing a coffee shop, and they start podcasts.

[Matt]

Must be so bad down there, Matt. Hey, did you see what they did to me when I was down there? Do you see what I'm saying?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Then that's embarrassing. Then you're like, yeah, my bad.

[Top Lobster]

I like this next part here. Verse. Verse 4. Read that.

[Matt]

Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if you have understanding. Verse 7. When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy. That's why people didn't like you when you're like, oh, angels can't sing. When the morning stars sang together and the sons of God. That's angels shouted for joy.

[Top Lobster]

Can we look at that word? Sang together.

[Matt]

Let's do it.

[Top Lobster]

Let's look at it.

[David Lee Corbo]

We sing together all the time.

[Top Lobster]

Sang.

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Wait, no, that's not the right one.

[Matt]

Yeah, it occurs 112 times. No, click. The click. The number.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, the number. Here. Ra non raunon rannon. To overcome. To be overcome. To cry. To shout out. To shout for joy. Right. So that. I mean, this is why I think it. It doesn't necessarily say singing or like, more like chanting.

[Matt]

It's not 16 bars in a hoof is what you're saying.

[Top Lobster]

It doesn't.

[Matt]

It's not like what we would call music music.

[Top Lobster]

It sounds like chanting.

[Matt]

Yeah. I don't think heavenly music sounds like what we hear on the stage at the 501C3 either. I think heavenly music is a different thing.

[Top Lobster]

Exactly. Is it better or worse?

[Matt]

I don't know, but we copy the world's way of doing music and we add in like Christian words and then we're like, yeah, it's worship music. And I'm not a big fan of that. I think heavenly music. Yeah, it probably sounds different.

[Top Lobster]

I would love to hear it.

[Matt]

Same. Same. Bro.

[Top Lobster]

It's probably better.

[Matt]

I'm a lover of music. I know you're not, dude, but I'm a lover of music, dude. Like coming from the heart and being able to use that artistic.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, like creed.

[Matt]

No, no. Let's get back to the raven. I like when he leads the show.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, that's. That's literally that. That's where I dropped off. That's. I didn't get job.

[Matt]

Okay, well, what else are we looking at? Didn't. Weren't people, like, saying stuff in the chat? Other stuff we were gonna look up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, so I don't know. How does that end?

[Matt]

Here's how it ends. I like this. You want to talk about. About how Israel looks at eternity? This. This is how.

[David Lee Corbo]

I want to know.

[Matt]

This is how the Old Testament looks at eternity. Watch this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Under the sunlight.

[Matt]

Chapter 42. Then Job answered the Lord and said, I know that you can do everything and that no thought can be withholden from you. Not even our thoughts can be held back from God. Who is he that hides counsel without knowledge. Therefore have I uttered things I didn't understand. Things too wonderful for me, which I knew not. This is. This is Job apologizing. Amazing. Here I beseech thee, and I will speak. I will demand of thee and declare thou unto me. I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear, but now my eye has seen thee. Wherefore I abhor myself and repent in dust and ashes. This is like when Isaiah says, he's in the throne room in Isaiah 6, and he says, woe is me. He doesn't say, woe is everybody else. Like, he's, like, doing his thing. He's a prophet. He's a man of God. He comes face to face with God in Isaiah 6. He says, Woe is me. Me.

[Top Lobster]

I don't belong here, Job.

[Matt]

Same thing, dude. I heard about you by the hearing of the ear, but now I've seen you. Wherefore I abhor myself and repent in dust and ashes. And it was so that after the Lord had spoken these words unto Job, the Lord said unto Eliphaz the Temanite, my wrath is kindled.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, wait, that's one of the homies, right?

[Matt]

Yeah. My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends.

[David Lee Corbo]

Damn.

[Matt]

For you have not spoken of me. The thing that is right, as my servant Job has. Has.

[David Lee Corbo]

Damn.

[Top Lobster]

And you're saying these guys had sound doctrine, but it was just, like, bad advice?

[Matt]

Yeah, it wasn't living. Yes. It was cold, dead doctrine, just like the Pharisees had, man. Like, the Pharisees believed in eternal life. The Sadducees didn't. Right. So, like, as you look at the Pharisees and even their beef over the Sabbath, there's those same beefs today by people with, like, flawless doctrine about the Sabbath. Right? Like. Like it's the same thing, but it's not.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's.

[Matt]

It. It doesn't work in real life. They don't get it. They have a hard heart. They don't understand. They don't know how to apply it to real life. So he says, you have not spoken to me. The thing that is right as my servant Job has. And the question is, is God saying this to preachers today?

[Top Lobster]

Wait, what?

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. Like, Job was right all along, even though his friends had better doctrine than him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, okay.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. Therefore, take unto you now seven bulls and seven rams.

[Top Lobster]

This is a hard job to have. Have. This is like when we're talking about Satan. Hold on. When we're talking about Satan specifically. If that is a job title, you're walking a thin line when you take that job. Pastors Preachers, when you take that job, you're walking a very thin line. Like. Like you're given the responsibility to counsel the people. If you don't do it right, God's wrath is upon you.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Why would you take that job, Job? How much does it pay?

[Matt]

Why would you take it? For temporary rewards is the question.

[Top Lobster]

Why would we Let David summarize the Bible this very clearly here, that we're not supposed to do that.

[Matt]

Looks like this is clearly pre law. Because. Because of how long they're living. Because it says at the end of the story, he lives another 140 years. But so pre law. Law before the Levites, before the whole sacrificial system is set up, even before that. Therefore, take unto you now seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering. And my servant Job will pray for you. For him will I accept, lest I deal with you after your folly. This is big, dude. This is intercession by Job. I'm not even going to unpack this. This in that you have not spoken of me. The thing which is right, like my servant Job. So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite.

[Top Lobster]

We know those guys went and did.

[Matt]

According as the Lord commanded them. The Lord also accepted Job. It's almost like this is Job's last trial in the whole thing. Are you going to pray for these three? Oh, it's almost like this is the end of the trial for Job. Like, he. Like, he's not out of the woods yet. Like, bro, are you going to pray for these three?

[Top Lobster]

Hold on, hold on, on, hold on, hold on, Matt.

[David Lee Corbo]

Lord, please, I want to pray for my ass friends.

[Top Lobster]

Shane's a better dude than me, and I guess he knows more than me. Even though he does a show about the supernatural, which is very, like, spooky, he's always looking into that. What are you putting your ear on? The bo.

[David Lee Corbo]

The. The old pajama.

[Top Lobster]

There he goes.

[Matt]

Know how you are. I'm looking out.

[Top Lobster]

But he tells my guy, bro. He tells Gary, the many numbers guy, the many numbers guy, he's gonna pray for him.

[Matt]

I love that.

[Top Lobster]

I think I was like. Like, I don't even. He said, don't pray for me. And I. I'll be like, yeah, dude.

[Matt]

How did you catch a grudge? We've gone over this before, and everybody that messages me direct, they always talk about how you hold a grudge, and it's bad.

[David Lee Corbo]

I catch People, when you pray, you become.

[Top Lobster]

But if you're not moving.

[Matt]

That was such a lame thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Stupid thing.

[Top Lobster]

I ever sweaty. That's just word play. But if you're wasting my time and we're not moving in the. In the same direction, I'm just like, yo, get out of here.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm going to kill you.

[Matt]

Okay, but don't hold a grub. Judge.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not. But get out of here. Okay, we're done. So. But. But keeping them. I'm gonna keep you in my prayers sometimes. Like, as a matter of fact. I'm sorry, hold on a second. This is very important.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, wait while you look for that.

[Top Lobster]

No, it's right here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that was almost it.

[Matt]

Dude.

[Top Lobster]

Daniel, as Aspden of the Patreon says. Yo, that's not. That's not a good one. Is that.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is the dill pickle. It's delicious. It says delicious.

[Top Lobster]

You gotta be in the mood for it.

[Matt]

You're expecting something sweet and caramel and then you get dill.

[Top Lobster]

That's. I was expecting. I was expecting gingerbread.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I got dill on my lips.

[Top Lobster]

Daniel Aspen, he's. He's spoken with us before, but he asked for prayers for his wife.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hell yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Today we discovered that she has stage three cancer. I beg everyone for prayers who prays to do so. So Daniel Aspen, his wife. I don't think he said her name because I haven't really followed up with the. The comment thread. But if you do pray, please do send a prayer for his wife.

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife.

[Top Lobster]

Because it sucks. Yeah, this sucks.

[David Lee Corbo]

I swear, dude, when you start getting right with the Lord, these things attack you and the wife.

[Matt]

And Doug, here we have the Limu.

[Top Lobster]

Emu in its natural habitat, helping people.

[Matt]

Customize their car insurance and save hundreds of. With Liberty Mutual.

[Top Lobster]

Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug Limu.

[Matt]

Is that guy with the binoculars watching us?

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

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[David Lee Corbo]

Right in the wife.

[Matt]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Right in the wife.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right in the wife. Dude, I swear, that's what happens.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah, it's. It sucks. So we'll. We'll pray for you, man. Yeah.

[Matt]

If you're in a war and two have become one, like, how is the most hardcore that the enemy can come against you? Yeah, dude, think about it.

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But whatever. We just stay strong in the Lord, man.

[Top Lobster]

Are you kidding me, David?

[Matt]

Like, the answer to everything is God. Yeah. People get sidetracked. They want this, they want that. It's like, just go after God and let him resolve that all things work together for good. To those who love God and are called, according to his purpose, just lay your life at his feet and say, look, I'm here. I'm called according to your purpose, you do whatever you want. Yeah, Like, I'm with you now. My body. I'm just a renter. I'm just a renter.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, my body, your choice.

[Matt]

If something goes wrong with the. With the building here, right? It's. It's not my job to fix it. I'm not the landlord. I'm just the renter. I call the landlord and say, hey, man, something's up with the same thing with God. Like. Like, Lord, my body, my life, everything belongs to you. I'm just the renter. You're the owner. Like, you're the owner. So whatever thing goes wrong, Lord, like, this is in your hands to deal with, just like it is with a landlord. Yeah, Same thing. And then we just roll with that and we don't get sidetracked. We don't get in these arguments with people that are, you know, whatever. Like, it's. We just do our thing, bro. We just preach the gospel. We go hard after God. We have a platform. Like, why would we stop doing what we're doing? To get in arguments with other people. People. It's. It's totally unnecessary.

[Top Lobster]

No, dude, I think we Did a lot here. And I think we. I think we staved off these other people. We spanked them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Spanked him.

[Top Lobster]

Spanked them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hey, Gary the numbers guy. You're a fat.

[Top Lobster]

No, stop, bro.

[Matt]

What?

[Top Lobster]

We're talking to Daniel, okay?

[Matt]

Chapter 42.

[Top Lobster]

Daniel, I hope you got something out of this. I hope you're getting something out of this. This Bible study that we're doing, it's. It's fun. We're keeping it light. We're keeping it fun. Hopefully you learned something. Hopefully you learned something from the previous episode with Matt that. But yeah, I think. I think the laughter is. Is good. Something to take your mind of, because this sucks. Life sucks. You. You're going through it right now, but we're thinking about you and your wife. If she's a fan of this. If she's not, then whatever.

[Matt]

Stop. No. We're praying for you either way, bro. Praying for you either way, dude. The natural realm is rough, dude. This they call the cancer and, like, the other stuff. It's rough down here, bro. And there's poison and toxic stuff like that. We're taking in from the air, from the food, from, like, from everything. And it's causing, like, these crazy things in the body. And this is a crazy realm down here. I'm just glad, like, this isn't the eternal realm. Like, we're just down here for 120.

[Top Lobster]

But we're gonna laugh through it, dude. Like, we're gonna laugh through it. We're gonna have a good time. We're gonna smile. We're Gonna put up TVs. Unsuccessfully.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, we did. We succeeded. We got a new TV up there.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Don't. Don't touch it. Don't touch it. If you come to the. The standard coffee. Don't touch The. The studio.

[Top Lobster]

Studio X2X.

[David Lee Corbo]

X.

[Top Lobster]

Don't touch that TV.

[Matt]

And the Lord turned the captivity of Job when he prayed for his friends. Also, the Lord gave Job. Like, this is where he set him free. The Lord turned the captivity of Job when he prayed for his friends. Also, the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. Like. Like, this is where the gig is up. The gig is up. He do feel like Satan had access to him. The gig is up.

[David Lee Corbo]

I feel like Job should be allowed baptism. One haymaker on stage. Satan, like, okay, dude, you failed. Now I'm gonna make you, like, a physical body, yo. And Job gets a tee off on you.

[Matt]

This story is 1 million haymakers on Satan. So, like, the fact that we have this story in the scripture Is the ultimate haymaker against Satan, dude.

[Top Lobster]

If he. If he. If he triumphs over Satan in this way, do you think Satan still has access to him afterward after this story? Because you talked about, like, oh, dude.

[Matt]

I think he's like, imagine you go out some guy, and you're throwing haymakers at him, and the guy just. And the guy comes back and like, is that all you got? I don't think Satan's messing with this dude anymore, bro. I think he's like, okay, let's just go on to.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I'm saying he's got to let him tee off.

[Matt]

Let's just go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like, all right, Job, free shot. Like, I'll stand here.

[Matt]

I think your boy read the passage from James to what is James? Where he said, like, resist the devil and he'll flee.

[Top Lobster]

And.

[Matt]

Yeah, resist them, dude. So after all this, I think Satan just bounce, bro. I was like, yeah, let's not mess with that guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

But if you pray, you become prey.

[Matt]

And the Lord turned the captivity of Job when he prayed for his friends. Also, the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.

[Top Lobster]

Have a problem with this? Hell, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

What is that? Yeah, but what about his.

[Matt]

I want to unpack it, but. So go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

Here's my problem. Every time I read this, I read this story, and he give him twice as much. So what, like, like two wives or. Or a better.

[Matt]

Read it. Let's read it.

[Top Lobster]

I like my wife that she's a little.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe this one's stronger.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[David Lee Corbo]

She can carry more and do more dishes.

[Matt]

Let's read it, because this story is very intriguing. Then came there unto him all his brethren and all his sisters, and all that they had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house, and they bemoaned him and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him.

[Top Lobster]

This is what we were talking about before.

[Matt]

So sometimes the Lord brings evil upon you through Satan or through some other way. Sometimes the Lord just does it himself.

[Top Lobster]

Would this verse imply that. That Satan is. Is in. Is still an angel of God, then? If he's brought. Brought this upon him and he's an.

[Matt]

Angel in rebellion, everything is under the authority of God.

[Top Lobster]

Rebellion yet, though, yeah, it looks like.

[Matt]

This story is when. I mean, yeah, I don't think we have anything in the scripture that's, like, before the rebellion of Satan.

[Top Lobster]

No, but I'm saying, like, when I read this, though, it doesn't look like he's rebelling. He's like, yo, Can I do this? And God's like, yeah, try it.

[Matt]

No, now he's not really like, can I? He's like, it's like a face off off. It's not. It's not Satan against God. It's Satan against Job.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but he's. God brought it up. Permission. He's asking for permission. Like, I bet if I do this and God goes, go ahead.

[Matt]

Yeah. But it's intriguing because God brought it up.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, God was like, God's not in a war with Satan. God's did, all powerful, completely in control of everything. God's sovereign over everything. He does whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants. Doesn't ask anybody's permission.

[David Lee Corbo]

Real quick, God rumble sent us $5. He says, answer me. But I don't know for what. So if you want.

[Matt]

This is Satan versus Job. That's. That's what God does sometimes. Yeah. That's a fair fight. You know how, like, when mixed martial arts teams try to put their guy against another guy, but they want to make it somebody that's going to win? God, like, did that. He's like, yeah, I'll put my guy up against you.

[Top Lobster]

Call your champion.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. He said, I'll take Job over you, Satan. Job crush Satan versus God.

[Top Lobster]

Are there any other scriptures in the Bible where Satan, Lucifer, this entity are allowed to approach God? I know, like, Psalm 82, God judges the angels. But, like, is there a precedent for them being able to be in the presence of.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, Satan just did at the beginning of this.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but that. That would imply.

[Matt]

Then there's the passages in Isaiah and Ezekiel where it's talking about where Lucifer wanted to ascend and have the throne above God. God.

[Top Lobster]

Like, once you're kicked out of God's glory, can you go. And I know this is extra canonical, but in the Book of Enoch, these guys go through Enoch to talk to God. It seems like they can't go to God. Like, they're gone. They're. They're out. I don't know. Again, that's true. Yeah.

[Matt]

No, it doesn't seem that way in the scripture because, well, these are the ones that are 82. They're talking to him. It seems like in Job, they're talking.

[David Lee Corbo]

So maybe they're just too afraid to. So they're like, oh, Enoch, you righteous.

[Matt]

I don't know a ton about Enoch off the top of my head. I read it a couple times, but I don't. I remember thinking it was kind of boring. I remember thinking, like, the first couple chapters Were good. And then it got boring.

[Top Lobster]

The first book is all right. The rest of them, like 2 and 3 are weird. You should read Timothy Alberino's version.

[Matt]

Let me just read this. Let me just read this. So the Lord, verse 12. So the Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than his beginning. For he had 14,000 sheep, remember? In the beginning he had 7,000 sheep, remember? Remember?

[David Lee Corbo]

So now he's got.

[Matt]

That's a lot of 6,000 camels. Because in the beginning he had even pet them. He had 3, 000 camels and a thousand yoke of oxen. Because he had five hundred and a thousand she asses. Oh, yeah, because he had five. Four. You guys are gonna major point.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, yes.

[Matt]

He had also seven sons and three daughters. How many did he have in the beginning?

[Top Lobster]

Same. Same amount.

[Matt]

Oh, same. It just said he doubled it, though.

[Top Lobster]

So they were better.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wait, who?

[Matt]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Don't miss this. Please don't miss this. Well, he doubled all of the animals, the humans and the asses. He didn't double. So he gave him the exact same amount twice.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yo, he gave him his family back. Oh, is that what happened?

[Top Lobster]

Are you talking about time travel?

[David Lee Corbo]

Did he unflatten that?

[Top Lobster]

Him?

[Matt]

I'm not saying that, but I like when you guys start to brainstorm.

[Top Lobster]

Are you talking about bringing him back from the dead?

[David Lee Corbo]

If he does that, I love that.

[Matt]

I was simply making the point that humans are eternal. So he did double it. Because in the eternal realm, he will have double.

[Top Lobster]

Sure.

[Matt]

The animals, he's not gonna have double. He gets double in the temporary realm. The humans.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that was such a bad one.

[Matt]

The humans, he gives them the exact same amount. He didn't double it. But in the eternal realm, he'll have 20 children. Yeah, because humans are eternal.

[Top Lobster]

I know, but like.

[David Lee Corbo]

So do you think that he gave him his family back?

[Matt]

I don't think that. I never thought that. But I like where you're going with that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Am I totally off kilter there?

[Matt]

Say that. Who am I to tell you, like. No, I'm right. You're wrong. I don't. I mean.

[Top Lobster]

Ellis. Popcorn. Very good.

[Matt]

Good to meditate.

[Top Lobster]

Don't like the deal.

[Matt]

Think about it.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't like the dill.

[Top Lobster]

Don't like the deal.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't like the. The pajamas.

[Top Lobster]

It's just personal preference for me, I'm sure. I mean, it's good. It's just. But I. I don't like it. So he gave. So he has new. New ones, then that just kind of stinks. Like, if, if Aiden and Bella weren't around, you'd be like, this sucks. Like, I mean, I got two new kids.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be a fan of that sucks.

[Matt]

Can we bring that, that statement. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Verse up on the screen. I want to try to read it real quick because I want to try to.

[Top Lobster]

You're going to try to read?

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm going to try.

[Top Lobster]

Go for it.

[David Lee Corbo]

No promises.

[Matt]

So where.

[David Lee Corbo]

Where are we at?

[Top Lobster]

Let's start right here. So. And the Lord turned the captivity of Job when he prayed for his friends. And the Lord also gave. And also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. Twice as much. It. Like it feels like things. But I guess if you're talking about like in heaven, sure. Like he will meet them later.

[Matt]

So the Lord say, you lose your children here. Yeah. It sucks for the next hundred years or whatever that you don't have them, but then you do have them in the eternal realm. And that's even more important. Man and Job, if you remember in the beginning, he's like doing sacrifices for his kids. Kids in case they've sinned. Like, that was the most dear to Job's heart, was his. Where his kids were going to spend eternity. You can work. So it's the greatest blessing. I mean, dude, there's passages that talk about the children being sanctified because of the parents. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But then Jesus talks about that the, the rich man that's in hell. And he's like, he's like, you know, send, send my brothers or whatever. And he's like, nah, you're like, doesn't work. Like, we can't pass. We can't pass here.

[Matt]

So if they, if they won't listen to the scriptures, they're not going to listen if one comes back, back from the dead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Seven sons and three daughters. Did he. Wait, so did he only have five kids before?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, he had the same amount of kids.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's really. That's like really specific. Like, why?

[Matt]

Because he's saying that humans are eternal. The whole, the whole thing we're talking about is did in the Old Testament, did they have a concept of eternal life? Clearly they did. Because the, the. The reference made earlier to David's son that he said, I'll go be with him, he can't come back and be with me. Me. That tells you David understood eternity. This story right here says that he got double all the animals, but he got the same amount of humans that says that they knew about eternal life. Because in the eternal realm. Now he will have double.

[David Lee Corbo]

Does that. Is that what that means? Or is this in the physical realm? Because it says so. The Lord blessed the latter end of Job more than he's beginning. So towards the end of his life.

[Matt]

He got given double all the animals.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is all in the physical realm.

[Matt]

In the physical realm.

[David Lee Corbo]

So he received seven sons and three daughters in the physical realm.

[Matt]

But when he gets to the eternal realm, now it's double. Because now he has the ones back who already passed.

[David Lee Corbo]

I wonder if it's the same ones.

[Top Lobster]

Here's an interesting tidbit.

[Matt]

I mean, it's a point in a man wants to die. And after that the judgment. So I don't know if they can come back to life.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know, because he called the name of the first one on Jemima.

[Matt]

There you go.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's not. It's Aunt Jemima.

[Matt]

Yeah, but I don't ever want to stop you from meditating on stuff and daydreaming about it. Why?

[David Lee Corbo]

It wasn't the next thing, you silly, goofy.

[Top Lobster]

No time travel.

[David Lee Corbo]

You're a wanker.

[Top Lobster]

Silly. The second one, Kezia, which is actually interesting.

[Matt]

In the book.

[Top Lobster]

In the this the show, David King, soul's concubine is Kezia.

[David Lee Corbo]

You gotta pee. I don't care. You got a show to do.

[Matt]

Can I get out?

[Top Lobster]

Let's take a break.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Matt]

You wanna do a three hour tour? Why don't we. Halfway through.

[David Lee Corbo]

Why don't we play the whole song for that?

[Matt]

Play the whole song. I'll be back quick.

[Top Lobster]

How do I do that? Okay.

[Matt]

You're such a boomer. I gotta.

[Top Lobster]

We can play it. All right, well, I'm gonna figure that out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Go ahead, dude. Go ahead, dude. My back is sweaty. Knees weak. Back is sweaty. My back is super, super sweaty. Oh, I'm just rolling over my hoodie. Oh, God. There we go. Just throw that on the floor over there. It's a brand new hoodie, but it's okay.

[Top Lobster]

I bet you if I try to play it here, though, it wouldn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, it's probably not gonna work. So what should we play?

[Top Lobster]

Well, I could play it maybe through heat and maybe they can hear it. I don't think they'll be able to hear it. That's fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

Where is it? In the drive?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's in the drive.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, I'll just bring it up then.

[Top Lobster]

You could do it. Yeah, do that. And we'll play for them and then we'll go and poop or whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

Poopy. Here it's this one.

[Top Lobster]

That'd be cool. All right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Too bad we don't have any.

[Top Lobster]

No video. No video for.

[David Lee Corbo]

Video for it, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I'd like to make an entire music video. If anybody can do that.

[Matt]

That.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, so we can do it.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think I was too aggressive? I don't care.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I don't think you were too aggressive. I mean, I, I, you know, the whole. I don't know. I don't know what Jacob Israel said.

[Top Lobster]

I'll let you read it.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I, I cannot say if you were too aggressive. Dude, let me tell you, my head is thumping. So I'll share.

[Top Lobster]

We only have an hour and a half left, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, good. So I shared that tab and I'll just play it. You guys can look at nothing or. Yeah, let them look at an empty room. Just put the audio on. I'll only. Yeah, we'll go make pee pees.

[Matt]

And Doug, here we have the Limu.

[Top Lobster]

Emu in its natural habitat, helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

[Matt]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see.

[Matt]

See us. Only pay for what you [e-mail] Liberty Liberty, Liberty. Liberty Savings. Very underwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates. Excludes Massachusetts.

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[Top Lobster]

Never went away. They're still here today.

[Matt]

Welcome.

[Top Lobster]

The giants walk again.

[Matt]

Bloodlines hidden in the houses of Men falling watches Chains undone Stars are bleeding the wars begun seven seals, 99 lies Eden serpent never died we see the sigils in the sky Nephilim death squad, we ride tonight.

[David Lee Corbo]

Clones in the Vatican Hybrids on the throne DNA twisted in the catacombs I know Naki gold in the Federal Reserve Seraphim watch from their abode 666 in a double helix strand the market's coming Take your stand no.

[Matt]

Surrender, no compromise Burning the veil in.

[David Lee Corbo]

Front of your eyes they bred with.

[Top Lobster]

Daughters of men and they will do and the end is written in the book, in the pages they foresee.

[Matt]

When the last trumpet sound sounds and the heavens crack. Angels say the name when the sky cracks we got a storm, we got.

[David Lee Corbo]

A flood Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Death spawn, death spawn, Death spot.

[Matt]

Sam, Get this thing off your face. You, like, wrapped up on your face.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, now we're. Now we're.

[Top Lobster]

Now we're good.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, the mic's hot. Dude, you can say stuff. Yeah, you think that's. Is that my seat right there?

[Top Lobster]

No, stop.

[Matt]

Let's stop.

[Top Lobster]

All right, fine. You can't sit there.

[Matt]

You got anything to say?

[David Lee Corbo]

Guys, did you like that song? I love.

[Matt]

I love. Give it. You want to give us a Bible verse real quick before you go?

[Top Lobster]

All right, real quick.

[Matt]

The mic.

[David Lee Corbo]

Philippians 4:13. You can do all things through Christ who strengthens you. And apparently we can go to jail because I'm pretty sure he's underage.

[Matt]

Let's go see Drain.

[David Lee Corbo]

Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Guys, did you like that? That crushed, right? That was. What's his name? Dallas Spitfire on X. Dude, that. I mean, that song was super dope. Did you like that song, Matt?

[Matt]

It's pretty good, dude, you just. No, initially I was like, what is this? Like, somebody just made a song. And then the more I listened to it, I was like, bro, dude, I.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thought it was gonna be.

[Matt]

When the chick's voice comes in, it's go. Because you never know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it comes in.

[Matt]

It goes hard when the.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not really a huge fan of. Of, you know, when the whites rap, but it was. It was really good.

[Matt]

Shout out 41, too.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude, don't just say white rappers.

[Top Lobster]

That's my boy.

[David Lee Corbo]

41, too. That's not. You don't even know that guy.

[Matt]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hey, F, O, J, C, T, K, O says, yo, yo, my lovely, dangerous and sweet Matt with five T's, why.

[Matt]

Is there so many T's?

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you think Luke 10:18 already happened? Has Satan been cast out of heaven? Let's Go.

[Matt]

I don't know, man. That's an intriguing one. Like, he's clearly in the mix.

[David Lee Corbo]

So what crushes.

[Matt]

What exactly? Is that where Jesus says, I saw Satan fall from the sky fall. Is that Luke 10:18?

[Top Lobster]

My teeth are too big.

[Matt]

He said, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. I don't know. I really don't know.

[Top Lobster]

Click. Also, shout out to Dylan the electrician. He's arguing with somebody in the YouTube chat about what is he? I don't know, but he's watching the show.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude, my head is so bad.

[Top Lobster]

And he's arguing with somebody about it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you have a headache medication in this thing? Because I'm like.

[Matt]

Because Revelation 12 not. How do you know that?

[Top Lobster]

Because I see you take it all the time, dude.

[Matt]

Why I never take it. I never ever take.

[Top Lobster]

You've been keistering them for a while.

[Matt]

No, I have it on hand for employees. I never personally take that stuff.

[Top Lobster]

I just see them up there.

[Matt]

It has to be so crazy for me to take something like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's gotten crazy.

[Matt]

Are you okay, man?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I'm fine.

[Top Lobster]

You know, he's not okay.

[Matt]

I don't know. In regards to losing Luke, the 1018 passage, Revelation 12:9 says, and the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil.

[David Lee Corbo]

That old serpent.

[Matt]

See that? See, that's the reference I was making earlier. That like, it looks like it's the same character in the garden. That great dragon was cast out, that old serpent called the devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world, and he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. So I don't know, it makes you think that, like, this clearly already happened. Happened like. Like this already happened?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Luke 10:18. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning falling from heaven.

[Matt]

Like it already happened.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like it already happened.

[Matt]

Like. Like. Cuz. Cuz I think the context is they come back, they say, yo, you won't believe what we just did. They say, the 70 returned again with joy, saying, lord, even the demons are subject unto us through your name. He said, yeah, man, cuz my name is the name above all names, bro. Like, Satan thought he was the man, but I saw him fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I give to you power. That's what Jesus does. He doesn't take power away from us. He gives us power.

[Top Lobster]

He says, let me ask you something.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let me ask you something.

[Top Lobster]

If music. If music doesn't, like, pertain to worship and all that, how come these are called verses?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, how come Psalms reads like a song?

[Matt]

Because it is a song.

[Top Lobster]

How come Genesis 1 is literally.

[Matt]

What did that music sound like? Is the big question. If you want to talk about that, like that's the big question is what did the book of Psalms sound like?

[David Lee Corbo]

Hell, yeah.

[Matt]

I think that'd be rad to know. But you know what? Even more than that, there's freedom in music. If it sounds different today, that's okay. Like, there's freedom in music. I'm just saying, and I know you guys know I'm right about this. The music is corny in church. It's corny. It's just the same as worldly music. It's 16 bars and a hook or whatever it is. It follows the exact same model and they just use like so called Christian words in the music. So I know you. I hate when you agree with me, but you want, like, me to argue to prove your point.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not agreeing with you.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Top Lobster]

I did want to do this. I want. Don't do that. This is a. You just hit my camera.

[Matt]

He doesn't care about the space, though. That's what's very weird about about this is we went through owning my space to make this studio, like, happen. And then he just comes in and trash.

[David Lee Corbo]

You didn't do anything. You put up two things of wallpaper.

[Matt]

No, I went strong on the wallpaper and you know it. I wanted to say.

[Top Lobster]

One, we got. We got a follower. A sub to the Patreon Hell yeah. Named Brandon Lake. You're talking about people who make wanker.

[David Lee Corbo]

Music shout out to music. No, it's a good music.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know if this is the same Brandon Lake.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, it is is, dude, if it.

[Top Lobster]

Is, that would be crazy. It is. That dude's making like real deal stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

Zman, did you see we gave you a shout out as soon as the show started about the laser. Because you're the best dude. And you got us a laser and we love you for it.

[Matt]

Yes. Revelation 12:12. Satan knows his time is short after the fall. Yeah, but I mean, what does that mean? Like, he's got a week or he's got 2,000 years or. Oh, like, no matter what time short, dude. He's got like, as far as eternity goes, this is this little blip on the Radar. This little time on the earth, man.

[Top Lobster]

Also, the, like, time works differently. Like we were talking about 10,000 years. What's in your throat? Clear your throat.

[David Lee Corbo]

My wife wants me to buy pizza because I know I can eat dill or grill. Just because I ate popcorn doesn't mean that I'm gonna eat a pizza. And popcorn is okay. Carbs, not pizza. Pizza is bank.

[Matt]

Before we go off the rails, I just want to make sure we got to everybody's stuff that everybody wanted us to get to.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's right.

[Matt]

Didn't we say we were going to, like, answer people's stuff?

[Top Lobster]

A lot of other things they want Malachi.

[Matt]

You guys want to take a dive into Malachi real quick?

[Top Lobster]

No, I want to do these things justice.

[Matt]

Okay, but Malachi was one of the ones, dude. And Doug, here we have the Limu.

[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

Of with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug.

[Matt]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

Judas. Oh, this is an interesting one. Judas being possessed in John 13:27.

[Matt]

Yeah, that is an intriguing one because we kind of have an understanding that Satan entered him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right? That's gay.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it is kind of gay, but yeah.

[Matt]

Can we pull it up?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't want to see that.

[Matt]

So. So Satan entered him because I think we have the Understanding or I do, that angels have a body already. That's not who's like invading human bodies. It's demons that are invading human bodies because they don't have bodies. They're disembodied spirits. That's how they're able to get into a human body to fulfill their lust and their cravings. They act it out through humans. So like a parasite to your point, they need a host. So Satan, like getting into somebody, I don't know, that's like, on another level. It's almost like him and Judas made a deal ahead of time that somehow, which, which seems like what's going to go down with the Antichrist too, is that he's going to be empowered by Satan. The Antichrist is going to be empowered by Satan. And so the Antichrist is some dude. He's just some dude, but he's going to be empowered by Satan. Almost like he made a deal with him too, the same way Judas did. I don't know that that's a weird one to unpack.

[Top Lobster]

Do you think this is a. There's any correlation here? Jesus answered, he, it is to whom I shall give a sop, I guess, like bread that he's dipped in something right when I have dipped it. And when he, when he had dipped in the sop, he gave it to Jesus, to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop, Satan entered into him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, so you're saying like Judas ate the bread.

[Top Lobster]

Like it's like a wet bread, though? I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, well, because hold on. He, it is to whom I shall give a sop when I have dipped it. Are we talking about so small, all eating the bread and, you know, like the body of Christ.

[Matt]

We, we don't know. We don't know what do's getting at because he makes statements sometimes and then we don't. We don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

He do be saying.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just saying. So Jesus gives him this sop of bread, he dips it, and then he gives it to Judas Iscariot. And after the sop, I guess after he dips it or after he eats it, Satan enter. Entered into Jesus.

[Matt]

Like it didn't happen until Jesus gave the okay, boom.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, he's like, that's it. You're gone.

[Matt]

Then now that Satan's in him, then Jesus said as almost as say to Satan, not to Judas. Yeah, hey, bro, me and you have had this beef for a lot of years.

[Top Lobster]

Now you got to do.

[Matt]

Next thing you're going to do, do it quick. Yeah, like, he's talking to Satan when he says that. Like, he's already taken over. But I don't. But I don't know. That doesn't seem like a normal thing or as normal as when Jesus is casting out demons on like, a regular basis. That seems like something different. This is something different than just demonic manifestation or somebody being demonized. This sounds like something different now.

[Top Lobster]

Like, do you think it was Judas just because Judas just happened to be the guy? Or like, could this have been any of the other 12? Like, is this random or is there something inside of Judas?

[Matt]

Because, I mean, the Scriptures teaches that everything happens according to the foreknowledge of God. So God doesn't see through time. He sees all of time at once. He knows human hearts. He knows who everybody is according to his foreknowledge. And just like, in the same way Pharaoh, like, if it was somebody other than Pharaoh, they would have repented after, like, the second plague or the third plague or the fourth plague. Right. But God's purposes had to be fulfilled in Egypt. So he needed a character that wouldn't repent after 10 plagues, including all the firstborn in Egypt. So in a certain sense, it was like, he was the perfect guy to put in that role. So, like, Judas, for whatever reason, we can look at his character, he was a thief and he had the bag. He. He sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. So he was all about money. Like, yeah, there was this certain characteristic in Judas that was the perfect one. Because what does the passage say where it says that if they knew what they were doing, they never would have crucified the Lord of Glory. There was this chess game going on where, like, he had to be sold out in that way so that they would crucify him. Where Satan thought he was winning, but actually he lost when he did that. So they had to have a human that would open themselves up to Satan like that that would be willing to do it.

[Top Lobster]

Doesn't. Doesn't Judas also get crucified himself?

[Matt]

I don't know about crucified. He goes and hangs himself. But then it says his bowels gush out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's what happens.

[Matt]

I don't know, dude. I'm not specialist on that. But it looks like he goes and hangs himself. It says he comes back to the Pharisees and he throws the money down. And he says, I, you know, this is a just man or something. Like, they're like, what is that to. They even say it. They're like, what is that to us, bro, that's between you and God. But it doesn't say anything about him repenting before God. It doesn't matter if you go and repent before the man. Like, did you go and repent before God? Which hag. We're just opening a can of worms with that whole discussion. But then he goes and hangs himself.

[David Lee Corbo]

And poops himself and.

[Matt]

But it's weird. Yeah, because, like, that's a bizarre thing, that his bowels gush out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's actually pretty common when people die, they. Them pants.

[Matt]

Okay. Yeah, I didn't know that then. That. That makes more sense.

[Top Lobster]

Sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I don't know if everybody does.

[Matt]

Maybe that's like, he didn't buy a field. They went and bought a field with the money. Who's that? Blap juice. Blap juice.

[David Lee Corbo]

Blap juice.

[Matt]

So he. So he throws the money down. And then these righteous Pharisees say, oh, well, we can't. This is blood money. So we have to go by the field of blood with it. They're like, doing something they're like, doing. They're doing something they think is righteous. They're like, this money was bought with blood. So let's just go buy a field with it.

[Top Lobster]

They're doing something Talmudic. Yeah, that's like a.

[Matt]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

What that is, dude.

[Matt]

No, no, no.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's about the Jews.

[Top Lobster]

No, it's like making a loophole. Well, we can't use it for this, but we could buy.

[Matt]

Right, right. Just like when they go to crucify him. But they don't want to go in before. Is it before Herod or Pontius Pilate? Because they don't want to be defiled on a feast day as. As they're killing God. Yeah, bro, it's like the. It's like the peak of hypocrisy when it's the organized religious institution that claims to represent God killing God.

[Top Lobster]

You understand why this is very hard for me not to mock. What the tendency to. To do that. I think when you die, that's natural.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's natural.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, boy.

[David Lee Corbo]

What are all these notes that you write down?

[Top Lobster]

Don't touch his Bible.

[Matt]

A bunch of notes. No, I don't care, bro. I love if you read the notes now.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't want to read them.

[Matt]

Okay, so we're in Malachi now.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no.

[Matt]

Actually, why are you avoiding Malachi? Can I just bring up, like, one passage?

[Top Lobster]

But they actually asked. So you're kind of like, getting into the same thing the next Question here. Was time travel in the Bible? Question mark, exclamation point.

[Matt]

Come on.

[Top Lobster]

Don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let's not.

[Top Lobster]

Well, you just mentioned it because God. God is seeing things all at once.

[Matt]

Well, think about these angels. Like it says in Hebrews where it says like be careful entertaining strangers unaware because some have entertained angels. I think I didn't say that passage. Right, but it's something to that extent. Like be careful with strangers. It's in Hebrews 13 because some have entertained angels unaware. So like say an angel looks like a human because. Because they're just saying it looks just like a stranger. Like that. That human looking angel can pop in and out of time at different spots on the timeline. And Doug, here we have the limu.

[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us.

[Top Lobster]

Cut the camera. They see us.

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

Where is it?

[Top Lobster]

At 13. 2. Be be not forgetful to entertain strangers for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. So those human looking entities can pop in and out of the timeline.

[Top Lobster]

When do you think? I think the best justification for time travel is the judgment on, on the great, the Great White Throne where he's, he's judging every I think everybody gets judged at the same time. I think you die.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would hope so, because that seems like a really long line.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, I guess you're gonna wait, but there is a waiting place, right? You're saying hell is like kind of like a holding place.

[Matt]

Yeah, I mean, that story of in Luke of the rich man and Lazarus, and there's a great gulf between them. There's a great gulf between him. Some people say that's a parable. No problem. Even if it's a parable, that's fine. But. But the. But what's being said is. Is still being said that there's this gulf that the one dude, the Lazarus, the who was the poor man is in Abraham's bosom. He's chilling with Abraham. And the dude on the other side is saying, hey, send Lazarus, like, with some water to dip the cool of my tongue in it. And he says, no, no, man. There's this great gulf in between us. You can't go back and forth. We're in the holding tank right now. Now, exactly when did that holding tank get cleared out? I mean, when Jesus was resurrected? I don't know. I got too much in my brain to like, unpack this right now. I feel like I normally have this off the top of my head.

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you think about this, though? So I wonder, because it's. It's, you know, you only die once. What we perceive as ghosts, unless it's actually yellow, unless it's sent by God.

[Matt]

If you're born once, you die twice. If you're born twice, you die once.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, but like a physical death in this realm, we die once.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

What we perceive as a ghost is likely some familiar spirit posing at as your ancestors. Stone tape theory, your ancestor or something like that.

[Top Lobster]

Just ignore me.

[David Lee Corbo]

So what I'm wondering is, do you die and then is it the next thing that you perceive your own judgment afterwards?

[Matt]

I don't know. They're like, no. I mean, for that dude, he's in. He's in the realm of the dead, if you will. Like the. Like Lazarus, he's there. He's. There's something happening. He's just in the realm of the dead. I really don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Time doesn't work.

[Matt]

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So, like, somehow we're with the Lord. Like when we pass, if we want to pull up that passage. Like I said, I don't have this stuff off the top of my head, but Jesus is at the right hand of the Father. So if we're absent from the body, we're present with the Lord, we're somehow in that eternal realm with Him. And it looks like we're held in, like, a holding place, if you will. And then those who are not saved by grace through faith are held somewhere else until, like, the final resurrection. And then there's a new heavens and a new earth, and then we are part of that new heavens and new earth. And those who are not saved by grace through faith, like we read earlier, they're ultimately cast into the lake of fire.

[Top Lobster]

It's like, is that all happening already right now?

[Matt]

What do you mean?

[Top Lobster]

Like, is that. I don't know. Is.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's the time?

[Matt]

Is the flat disc doesn't seem like. No, it seems like, you know, when the Great White Throne Judgment happens that we read about, that we just read about in Revelation 20, and everything gets thrown in the lake of fire. And then there's the Bema seat. It's two different words. The judgment. There's the. There's the judgment that happens at the Great White Throne, and then there's another judgment that's for the believers. Paul says, you know, we will be judged. And then that's that one Corinthians. Is it 15 where he talks about that, like, all of our works will be tried by fire. Some of it will be gold, silver, precious stones, and some of it will be wood, hay, and stubble. But it's all going to get tried by fire, which is something stone separate from salvation, because the dude with wood, hay, and stubble, it all gets burned. Yet he himself will be saved, but all his works are burned by fire. But then other people will have gold, silver, and precious stones that will remain. It looks like that's the judgment for us. It's like a reward ceremony for eternity.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you think that the. The two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah?

[Matt]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Whatever, dude.

[Matt]

I'm totally comfortable saying I don't know. I think there's great arguments that it's Enoch and Elijah. There's great arguments that it's Moses and Elijah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But. But Moses does die, right? Or else there wouldn't be an argument over his body.

[Matt]

I mean, that's an intriguing one. Nobody knows where it's at. He shows up on the mount of Transfiguration with Jesus and Elijah. Like, that's intriguing because that's before the resurrection. Nobody can be resurrected until Jesus is. Because he's the first fruits. He's the firstborn of the dead. So I don't know. I don't Know, I.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[Matt]

I don't know. Know. There's a strong argument if you. If you watch. If you watch a video on the two witnesses being the church and Israel, there's a lot of strong argument in that. I'm not saying I believe that. I'm not saying that in any way, shape or form. I'm just saying just like flat earth or any of these other things, a lot of people can put together a lot of passages to spell out whatever they want to spell out. And I've seen strong arguments that it's the church in Israel is the two witnesses.

[Top Lobster]

Some people say that Top and Raven are the two witnesses.

[David Lee Corbo]

Those people are shout out to.

[Matt]

Scott.

[Top Lobster]

Said that, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Madeline said, I hope not. Scott. Yeah, I hope not.

[Top Lobster]

It's just.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. I get the inclination of like when these entities are judged, when God cast judgment on them, that it's like right there and then, but he's casting like a. It's almost like a future judgment, but it's also right there. So on angels, you're saying, yeah, so it's happened, but it has not happened happened yet. But it's happened.

[Matt]

Sure.

[Top Lobster]

Does that make any sense?

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Like in the eternal realm, like, they.

[Matt]

Know it's a done deal.

[Top Lobster]

In the spirit realm, they might borrow.

[Matt]

Time right now, trying to bring as many people with them as they can.

[Top Lobster]

That's what I'm saying.

[Matt]

We're going to hell and we're burning in the lake of fire forever. Let's grab as many humans as we can on the way.

[Top Lobster]

If you're in that spiritual realm where time has happened already, time is happening now and will happen. You've been judged in all of these things and now they not. Maybe that's why they kind of yearn to be in this physical realm where it's like time's moving slower. We can kind of.

[Matt]

I think there's an element of we're in a war and they're in a war with God and they hate God and they can't go to war against God. But if we're created in his image and in his likeness, and there's a man in the Godhead, Jesus, that. That like, it's. We are very similar and he knows how. How dear we are to his heart. As many of us as we can. As they can drag with them into the lake of fire, like that's their goal. They're not going down without a fight.

[David Lee Corbo]

So we have John Diaz sent a rumble ran. He said, did you guys check Revelation 12:10 about Satan being in the presence of God daily. And I think I.

[Matt]

Let's look at it.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, that's not what I have. Oh, you want to pull that up?

[Top Lobster]

I'll pull that up. And then I think we should wrap because I got a.

[Matt]

What?

[David Lee Corbo]

A headache.

[Matt]

What? Yeah, I feel like we were just getting started. Why are you so anti.

[David Lee Corbo]

Malachi, stop.

[Top Lobster]

And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven now, salvation and strength in the kingdom of our God and the power of. Of his Christ. For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

[Matt]

Yeah, good, good point. Whoever that was that brought that up, that's John D. That's basically like the.

[Top Lobster]

Thank you, John.

[Matt]

Like the story in Job. I mean, it's exactly that. Like the accuser of our brethren who is cast down, which accused them before our God, day and night before our God.

[Top Lobster]

So he's. He's allowed.

[Matt]

Which is what happened in the book of Jesus. Job. Yeah. He comes before God and he accuses Job. And it looks like he's doing this all the time.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so that. That means that, like the. The pre. Adamite time frame of Job.

[Matt]

I don't think that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's weird though, because think about what Satan does.

[Matt]

I shouldn't even have brought that up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Are you listening? Are you listening?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

What Satan does in the garden is he's trying. He's tempting Adam and Eve, or he's specifically Eve to. To transgress, to sin, to disobey God. Right. This is what he's trying to do. He's doing the same thing in Job where he's trying to coax Job into, you know, cursing God. And then you. You have this same instance here in Revelation 12 where he's. How is it put? You bring that up, using our brethren day and night. Right? Was how it was. So it's like it's the same Job. So he's not cast out of the title, he's just cast out of the guard.

[Matt]

Cast out of the title. What do you mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

He's got the same exact job. He's been doing the same exact thing. And it does seem like a job when you see him in the presence of God and they're talking about Job.

[Matt]

Well, I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

It looks like maybe Job. Maybe I'm using the wrong word.

[Matt]

Something changed in the garden. Like he got man who was king of planet Earth to rebel against God, if you will. Like, that's what he got him to do. That was the whole study we did today was that. That he got man to decide for himself what's good and evil as opposed to just being fully dependent on God. So that was what he did there, and then he got punished for that. And it looks like from that time on, his role did become a little bit different. I mean, I don't know. I don't know, like what exactly was going on in the garden. He only had Adam and Eve to go against. As far as we know. As far as we know, that's who. That's all he's going against in that story. We don't know exactly what else was going on outside of the, of the garden.

[Top Lobster]

Maybe, maybe he wasn't. Maybe there's like a difference between the punishment. Like God's like, you'll crawl on your belly, you'll eat men. There's a. Maybe there's a difference between the punishment and the fallen angel aspect. Maybe that happens to Satan after. It seems like angels fall when they accept worship. Did he accept worship here or did he just like, transgress against one of God's rules? Like, he probably has specific rules of what he can do when he's tempted.

[Matt]

And in a sense, is Adam worshiping him now by pledging allegiance to him by saying, like, I know God told me this, but I'm pledging allegiance to Satan now.

[Top Lobster]

God says, okay, it's an interesting thought.

[Matt]

And is that really what it is when you say, no, I'll determine for myself what's good and evil? God says, okay, you're pledging allegiance to Satan, then if you trust me completely, if you trust me completely, then you're on my team. Anything else? If you're like, no, I'll decide for myself what's good and evil. Evil, like, I'll hand pick through the Bible, I'll hand pick through other books, and I'll kind of make God in my own image as opposed to God making me in his image. He says, okay, no problem. But you're pledging allegiance to Satan when you do that because he's the original rebel and now you're just going with the rebellion.

[Top Lobster]

Well, what is worship? Right? Worship is when you're ascribing music, guitar, bass and drums. It's laser lights, fog machine, a bridge and a verse. No, it's. It's when you ascribe worth to something, when you're saying something is worth this, this. So if you're not giving that to God, you're giving it something else. So if they're ascribing the idolatry as.

[Matt]

Well, like that's a description of idolatry, something that you put before God, but.

[Top Lobster]

The advice of Satan. If they're ascribing worth to that, they're giving that worship in a sense. And there you go.

[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Matt]

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[Top Lobster]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Matt]

Okay, just watch this though, because this is a major passage in Malachi 3 16. It says, Then they that feared the Lord spoke often one to another, and the Lord hearkened and heard it. And a book of remembrance was written before him. For them that feared the Lord and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts. In that day when I make up my jewels, and I'll spare them, as a man spares his own son that serves him. I love that, dude. I love the reality that that they that feared the Lord spoke often one to another, and the Lord hearkened and heard it in a book of remembrance was written before him. For them that feared the Lord and that thought upon his name. This was so intriguing to me because I realized, like, people never talk about God, man. I remember anytime I'd be in a construction trailer, like, when. Especially when I first got converted, and I'd start talking. I'd say the name Jesus, or I'd say Bible passages. Like, the whole construction trailer would go silent. You could talk about anything in a construction trailer, you talk about anything, dude. You start mentioning Jesus or the Bible, and people go silent, and everything gets weird in the room. And I always thought that was strange. I was like, huh? The whole planet was, like, created by God. Like, this is his whole creation, and if we honor him and respect him and just talk to one another about it, there's this bad vibe, dude. There's like, this weird thing where the room actually changes. And I love this passage because it says. Yeah, the people that do that, the people that fear the Lord, they speak often one to another, and the Lord listens. The Lord hearkened and heard it in a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord and that thought upon his name, that spoke about him amongst each other. Like, there's angels, like, watching our conversations very closely, and they've got, like, a pen and paper, and they're. And they're writing out for this book of remembrance. They're like, yo, these guys are on your team, God. Like, they're down there in the earth realm talking about you. Even though it's not beneficial to them to do it, like, they're still doing. Doing it.

[Top Lobster]

Are these, like, watcher angels? What is. What is this?

[Matt]

I don't know. Somebody. Somebody. It doesn't even say angels, but it says somebody's writing it.

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you think about somebody who is close to you but has a.

[Top Lobster]

It was written before him. Yeah. So it's written and then given to him. I'm sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, I'm sorry.

[Matt]

The book. If somebody wants to talk about Malachi, let's at least just do those two verses. We don't have to do the whole book because the whole book's wild, dude. The whole book's wild. They're.

[Top Lobster]

We should do the whole book, but we can. A book of remembrance was written before him, so. Yeah, you're right. Somebody is, like, taking notes.

[Matt]

Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Realm is more real than the. Than the seen realm. And they're watching and they're keeping records. Sorry to cut you off.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm gonna keep that one.

[Top Lobster]

God's gotta read it.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm gonna keep it.

[Top Lobster]

He's got to read the transcript of this podcast.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah, we should be mindful of that. Even sometimes. Rebuke us in the chat. People rebuke us because they don't talk about. Yeah, they do, man. They talk about how God will judge every idle world. Word.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nah, they don't do.

[Top Lobster]

That's fine. Hopefully God laughs a little bit of this. You understand the intent. And he goes, and then. And they shall be mine. Save the Lord of hosts in that day when I make up my jewels. And I will spare them as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

[Matt]

Look at what Atma said. 327. Up top.

[David Lee Corbo]

Atma, even though she's the best.

[Matt]

Actually, I'm not convinced that she. I feel like.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I know who Atma is.

[Matt]

I know. But what if he had another chick call in and pretend to be Atma? Like, there's layers to this.

[David Lee Corbo]

I remember. I know who Atma is. I remember. Even though their doctrine is wrong and they're. They love you, God. They literally can't shut up about you.

[Matt]

Well, that's a horrible thing to say.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's based. I appreciate that.

[Top Lobster]

That's kind of what I know. Going for.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know who the girl is.

[Matt]

That's such a neat thing to say, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, can we bring it in for landing? Because my head is thumping and I'm sweating and.

[Top Lobster]

And.

[Matt]

And literally just getting started.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think it's the green.

[Top Lobster]

I like it. Do more green.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is weird.

[Top Lobster]

They want us to cover the story of Nimrod. Please.

[Matt]

There's not a lot about. About them in the scripture, so I don't have a ton about them, but it is a super intriguing topic. Nimrod and Simaramis and the beginning of Babylon, Simarianus. There's a lot. The false religion that ends up taking over. He's like the first world ruler, like Antichrist, if you will. It's a lot. It's a lot on Nimrod, but I'm not a specialist on Nimrod.

[Top Lobster]

All right, what's your favorite miracle?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then we'll end it here.

[Matt]

I don't have.

[David Lee Corbo]

Tell us now your favorite one.

[Top Lobster]

Come on, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

You gotta.

[Matt]

I don't have a favorite miracle.

[David Lee Corbo]

If you're forced to. So they're going to. They're going to shoot you and they go, tell me your favorite miracle right now or I'm going to shoot you.

[Matt]

My conversion is like my favorite miracle. If you. I mean, if you're. If you. They say you're going to hold the gun to my head. Like, yeah. Somehow everything is about you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Huh?

[Top Lobster]

In the Bible. This is a Bible study miracle.

[Matt]

I Don't know, man. Like, God coming to the earth as a man. Like, I don't think there's any greater miracle. The Resurrection.

[David Lee Corbo]

The resurrection is a banger.

[Matt]

I don't know, dude. The Holy Spirit being shed forth on the church on the day of Pentecost. Like the birth of the church.

[David Lee Corbo]

Banger, banger.

[Matt]

Somehow God's living inside of humans now. Like, I don't know. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

How do you gotta go so that.

[Matt]

Helper can come in you the hope of glory? So. So God lives inside you.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so that's cool. All that stuff is really cool. And I feel like it's hard to choose when you say miracle. I'm gonna refine it down. What's your favorite supernatural event in the Bible? And, and let's. Let's not. Not the Resurrection, not God coming to die. These are things that are like, like, these are things that are just like, like.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know. My favorite is say it. When the she bears come and kill all those kids.

[Top Lobster]

That's pretty cool. That's crazy. Like, what's your favorite crazy supernatural thing in the Bible that doesn't make any sense. That pertains to nds like off the wall stuff.

[Matt]

I don't know. I mean, I do, I do. Like, is it 2 Kings 6 where Elisha's servant comes out to take a piss in the morning, and then the whole. All the armies of Syria have surrounded them. Him. And he goes back to Elisha, he says, dude, we're gonna die. And he says, no, no, no, Lord, open his eyes. Elisha doesn't say, put a bunch of stuff there, God, the stuff's already there. Everything's already there. He just says, lord, open his eyes. I know. He's the first one up. I love this guy. He's a servant. He got up to take a piss and make the coffee, and he's just going out to the campfire to get the coffee going. He looks up and they're surrounded by a military, a worldly military. And then Elisha says, no, no, bro, just. God, will you just open his eyes so he can see what's really going on? And then there's this entire spirit realm that's there, that's always been there, that always is there that he had no clue about. I mean, that's just one that comes to the top of my head right now, honestly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Psalms 40. Nailed it. David's 1004 skins. That was cool.

[Top Lobster]

But I don't think that that was like a supernatural thing, I think.

[David Lee Corbo]

You don't think it's really supernatural to collect,004 skin.

[Matt]

It was a savage. Imagine he killed a bear and a lion.

[Top Lobster]

Was it a thousand?

[Matt]

Natural realm savage.

[Top Lobster]

I don't think it was a thousand. I think it was 200.

[Matt]

Yeah. Like 100 that he was told to.

[Top Lobster]

Get and he got twice. That wasn't a supernatural thing. But I do like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Although he rolled him over his face.

[Top Lobster]

I don't like to imagine the story. I like so. And on along the same lines, Balaam's donkey. The same sort of thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh. Where the donkey turns away. He's like, yo, have I not always been your donkey, dude? Yeah, yeah. We can't go this way.

[Matt]

Way.

[Top Lobster]

He's not seeing. He's not seeing it. He's not seeing into the spiritual world.

[David Lee Corbo]

The donkey talks to me, remember?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. He's like, there's an angel here. That angel's going to cut you down. The same way that Elijah's servant is like, yo, there are people here. And he's like, no, don't worry about it. There's an angel that.

[Matt]

I think I like that story just because, like, the stuff is always there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, like 6 million 4.

[Matt]

Be mindful of that, man. The stuff is always there. It's just a matter of you seeing it or not seeing it, which doesn't change whether it's there or not. It's there. Ooh.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do you think that bag of foreskin smelled bad? That's crazy. Goes on.

[Top Lobster]

I also like the idea of. Of the animals talking because then that gets into the discussion. In the Garden of Eden, when God gave him. Gave Adam these mates, you know, not mates, but these, like, chill animals to walk around. Were they talking to him? That's a really fun.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's pretty cool.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Like his home had a late inability.

[David Lee Corbo]

Saying, like, in an Australian way. He's saying like mating, like the same way.

[Top Lobster]

What does it say in Genesis 2? We just read it.

[Matt]

That what? No, it just says that he brought all the animals before him to name.

[David Lee Corbo]

Them his N word words.

[Top Lobster]

No, that's not what it says. What? Let's. We're going to find the scripture.

[Matt]

It says he brought them all. He brought all the animals before him. He formed him out of the ground and brought him to him so that Adam could name him.

[Top Lobster]

It's not. It's not man. It's not good that man should be alone. I will make him a help me and help females.

[Matt]

Do not like that passage. But that's what it clearly says, man.

[Top Lobster]

Help me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Help me.

[Top Lobster]

No, but that's when he's he's describing the animals. A help me. Whatever that helper.

[Matt]

A helper.

[Top Lobster]

A helper. So the animals were the helpers. Like, those were his, like, helper homies.

[Matt]

No, they specifically were not.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but he couldn't have romance with them.

[Top Lobster]

Yes, but that, but he. It was a help. He said, I will make. I will make him and help meat.

[Matt]

Keep reading.

[Top Lobster]

And then it says, and out of the ground, the Lord formed every. Every beast of the field and foul of the air. So there were those.

[Matt]

No, keep reading.

[Top Lobster]

No, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And he. And he names them. That's what he named. That's what he breeding.

[David Lee Corbo]

Kevin.

[Matt]

Even though it's torture.

[Top Lobster]

And the foul. The names and the beast of the air and it was not found and help me form. And then he makes another help.

[Matt]

There was not made help me that.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's.

[Matt]

Yeah, the animals were not the help me.

[Top Lobster]

So then whatever they were, they were the female was. Do you think that these animals were talking to him? Is what I'm getting at.

[Matt]

Oh, why didn't you just say.

[Top Lobster]

This is what I've been saying with Balaam's donkey.

[Matt]

Like, I don't know. He's trying to. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Did you just make the face? And you just so upset.

[Matt]

Examples.

[Top Lobster]

Balaam's donkey talks to him after he's been like, It's a fair question. I can't go any further. I'm not getting killed by any fair question.

[David Lee Corbo]

Aren't we supposed to be able to talk to them in heaven?

[Matt]

That's what it seems that way. Seems that way, man. Like, we don't understand how far the fall was, yo, what's up? I don't think we understand. Like, like, I don't like, even just this whole, like, they. In science they say we only use 10 of our brain. It's like, yo, well, who was using the other 90 if it wasn't Adam?

[David Lee Corbo]

Psalm says the snake talked and nobody was surprised. Yeah, that's a, that's a huge point. Right. Nobody was like, oh, what?

[Matt]

Right. Eve doesn't say. Why are you about talking, talking. Now there's this great debate over what exactly was that that was talking to her? Like what? Like, was it a snake that. I mean, it's intriguing because it gets cursed to the ground. So like, I, I think I've heard that they find snakes that have, like, legs that, like a snake was able to walk before and now they find him and they say it's evolution, but then Bible Readers say, no, no, no. That was after. That was before they got cursed to the ground. I don't know. I don't know. It's an intriguing.

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you think is going on with pet science psychics?

[Matt]

I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

What is a Peter Malangi?

[Matt]

What? I know what you're doing, and I don't like it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Pet psychics, dude, they go like, oh, your cat doesn't like when you do this thing. And she wants you to know there's.

[Matt]

Probably some people that are more understanding of animals.

[David Lee Corbo]

That might have been the most wanker you ever said.

[Matt]

No. What are you talking about? There's probably people that have a gift with animals, man.

[Top Lobster]

I got a confession to make.

[Matt]

What?

[David Lee Corbo]

Your cat whisperer, cat psychic.

[Matt]

What is it? Top blippity blep?

[Top Lobster]

I. Yeah, I guess I'll just put it on here. This has been very, very hard for me to do.

[Matt]

What is happening right now?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, he's dissolving the show.

[Top Lobster]

I had. Yeah, Very bad diarrhea.

[Matt]

Why would you, like, tell that?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, he's been down with the diarrhea.

[Top Lobster]

I farted. And what I thought was a fart was not.

[Matt]

What? How is this even being said right now?

[Top Lobster]

I soiled my own bed. And then. And then I texted David, who I thought was my wife. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And I accidentally sent him that, and then I deleted it because he doesn't look at his messages. Do it again. The end is written in the book. In the pages they forget.

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