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New Books Network – Interview with John Mathias on Uncommon Cause: Living for Environmental Justice in Kerala
Host: Elena Sobrino
Guest: John Mathias
Date: October 5, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode of New Books in Anthropology features a conversation between host Elena Sobrino and cultural anthropologist John Mathias. The discussion centers on Mathias’s 2024 book, Uncommon Cause: Living for Environmental Justice in Kerala (University of California Press), an ethnography based on his fieldwork with environmental justice activists in Kerala, India. The interview unpacks Mathias’s journey to the field, the book’s core themes — particularly the lived ethics of environmental activism and the social dynamics of everyday practices — and the tension activists face between personal and communal commitments.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. John Mathias’s Path to Anthropology and Social Work

Timestamps: [04:37-07:23]

• Mathias describes joining a joint PhD program in anthropology and social work at the University of Michigan, motivated by both abstract interest in human stories and a practical desire to help make the world better.
• He speaks about his beginnings in student activism and previous solidarity work with the Campaign for Justice in Bhopal, which helped him network with activists in India and eventually led him to Kerala.
• “I came into anthropology very much with this ideal of, oh, I’m going to seamlessly integrate activism into anthropology…” [06:07, John Mathias]

2. The Formation and Direction of the Kerala Project

Timestamps: [07:35-09:46]

• Kerala’s reputation as a hub for robust social movements attracted Mathias, but once on the ground, he discovered legal and cultural limits on his participation as a foreign activist.

• Activists he met valued his critical, dialogic perspective more than his direct participation in activism, shaping his project into an observational, story-driven ethnography.

  “Some of them were just kind of like, we want a kind of critical perspective from you on our work… That was really, in some ways, very ideal for the anthropologist side of me.” [08:25, John Mathias]

3. “Living For” vs. “Living From” — Central Analytical Distinction

Timestamps: [09:46-13:01]

• Mathias explains the central notion of “living for” (pursuing a cause that organizes life) versus “living from” (being shaped by social groups and origins).
• Activists navigate whether their deep commitments align with or stand in tension to their familial and community backgrounds.
  • Some try to align their social embeddedness (living from) with their activism (living for); others experience these as sources of personal conflict.
• Sobrino highlights how the book follows these tensions through interwoven personal narratives.

4. The Ethics of Small Practices: Tea, Air Conditioning, and “Everyday Activism”

Timestamps: [13:01-21:48]

• The discussion delves into how activists’ commitment to environmental principles filters down into everyday acts — drinking tea, avoiding plastics, or rejecting air-conditioning.

• These mundane choices take on profound moral significance within activist circles due to their links with global capitalism and environmental destruction.

  “The little things then pretty quickly become huge things, in part because they are so little...there's so much ubiquitous things that are just part of the background of social life.” [18:42, John Mathias]

• Sobrino remarks on how this moral scrutiny of everyday commodities echoes trends in North America, though the specifics differ.

• Mathias discusses how striving for “total alternative living” is overwhelming, and navigating these pressures can feel as oppressive as it is liberating.

  “Activism is often understood as being kind of liberating... but it could also have a very kind of pressured feel to it... among activists can ... provoke a lot of anxiety too. It doesn’t always feel very freeing.” [23:36, John Mathias]

5. Activists, Science, and the Politics of Evidence

Timestamps: [24:51-36:09]

• Chapter 4 explores a campaign against a gelatin factory polluting a village — activists’ relationship with scientific evidence, and their skepticism about governmental, often dismissive, scientific claims.

• Mathias narrates a tense episode where a government researcher collects water samples but disregards local testimony, exposing the disconnect between expert evidence and lived experience.

  “She turns to them and says, well, that's all just what you say…here I'm here to take my samples and my samples are going to tell me whether there's a problem here, nothing you can really say about what's going on here is going to persuade me at all…” [29:05, John Mathias]

• The tension between “people’s protest” (rooted in lived, bodily evidence and community belonging) and party politics (mass mobilization, spectacle) comes to life in a story where even a Communist Party politician is pressured to recognize grassroots claims.

• No tidy success stories: the campaign against the factory is ongoing, with activists confronting the challenge that many struggles have no clear ending.

  "One of the things that makes a good story is an ending. And yet this kind of activism often doesn’t have any kind of tidy ending." [36:55, John Mathias]

6. Ethics, Integrity, and the Limits of Consistency

Timestamps: [37:21-47:28]

• The conclusion and much of Mathias’s field experience revolve around feelings of discomfort — the pressure to maintain ethical consistency can strain relationships or foster anxiety among activists and those around them.

• A central figure in the book, Hamed, worked as Mathias’s research assistant. His own story — torn between activist ideals and loyalty to his family (whose livelihood is implicated in environmental harm) — becomes a case study in these tensions.

  “Do I stick with my principles here… or do I maybe sacrifice something in the name of… preserving a relationship that is in some way threatened by having to be consistent?” [39:07, John Mathias]

• Mathias challenges the notion that all must become radical activists to live ethically. The book resists offering universal prescriptions, instead foregrounding the ambiguity and multiplicity of possible “good ways to live.”

  “Is everyone supposed to become an activist? Or are there other ways of navigating this stuff that are also valid and things that we can learn from?” [45:56, John Mathias]

7. Ongoing and Future Work

Timestamps: [48:20-52:35]

• Mathias describes current projects:
  • Exploration of “motive” as a lens to think about the drivers of human action in anthropology.
  • New ethnographic work with fishing communities in Kerala, using creative storytelling and participatory drawing to imagine collective climate futures and contest whose visions of the future count.
• Initial response from participants was enthusiastic, underscoring the value of collaborative, creative methodologies.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I try to show that what is going on with Ahmed is… not…a less kind of inherently less ethical life… than what Faiza, how Faiza is living. And, and I try to point to the ways in which maybe, hopefully my readers can… see resonances maybe with decisions in their own lives and use these kind of stories to think through what those issues as they arise in their own lives…” [47:08, John Mathias]
• “There’s these different figures or storylines almost, that you follow, and people are sort of navigating this tension between belonging or differentiating themselves and having an alternative lifestyle…” [13:01, Elena Sobrino]
• “It feels much more dynamic. But it’s interesting to think about the choices you can make about… How are you gonna sort of conclude something that doesn’t feel like it really has a conclusion…” [36:55, Elena Sobrino]

Major Segment Timestamps

• Mathias’s Background & Fieldwork Motivation: [04:37–09:11]
• Kerala Activism: Living for vs Living from: [09:46–13:01]
• Everyday Ethics — Tea, Air Conditioning, and Activist Social Life: [13:01–23:50]
• Science, Evidence, and Politics in Environmental Activism: [24:51–36:09]
• Navigating Ethics & Integrity (Hamed's Story): [37:21–47:28]
• Future Projects: [48:20–52:35]

Closing Thoughts

Mathias’s ethnography offers a richly layered look at environmental justice activism in Kerala, illuminating both the high ideals and everyday struggles of those committed to change. The conversation dwells on the paradoxes and pressures that come from trying to live in accordance with radical values, and affirms the validity of imperfect, context-specific ethical navigations — for activists and observers alike.

For listeners and readers unfamiliar with the region or with contemporary activist anthropology, this episode supplies not only analytic depth but a vivid sense of lived experience, and invites reflection on the universality of its dilemmas.