Undercover Journalist Exposes the ORGANISED INVASION of Criminals & R*pists - Patrick Christys

Summary

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Podcast Summary: New Culture Forum – “Undercover Journalist Exposes the ORGANISED INVASION of Criminals & R*pists”

Date: April 19, 2026
Guest: Patrick Christys (Investigative Journalist, GB News Presenter)
Host: New Culture Forum

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the extent, organization, and impact of illegal migration into Britain, as uncovered by undercover journalist Patrick Christys. Drawing on his on-the-ground reporting from Calais and inside smuggling networks, Christys argues that the UK is experiencing an "organized invasion," often abetted by criminals, traffickers, and complicit actors on both sides of the Channel. The discussion delves into the failures of border security, the role of international actors, and the consequences for British society, democracy, and public safety.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Reality in Calais and Smuggling Networks

• Lawlessness in Calais:

  • Christys describes the situation as "carnage and total lawlessness," enabled by open-border charities and French authorities. Despite the UK sending over £700 million to France for border control, there are minimal security measures on the beaches, with fences only protecting private property, not public areas. [02:08]
  • French efforts are focused more on their Italian border, with little meaningful attempt to stem Channel crossings.

• Demographics of Migrants:

  • The overwhelming majority are young men from Sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East (Sudan, Eritrea, Iran, Afghanistan, Kurdish regions), and increasingly, a broader range of countries. Many pose as protected groups (e.g., Bedouins, Roma) to claim asylum. [05:04]

• Infiltrating Smuggler Groups:

  • Christys and his team easily contacted and met multiple smugglers in Calais, handed over evidence to the French police, and infiltrated WhatsApp groups (one with 56 members advertising weapons and using extremist propaganda, such as Ayatollah images). [02:08, 09:30]

  “Within an hour and a half, we’d met up with four human traffickers, got their faces on camera, exposed their numbers. Massively begs the question, why are the Brits not doing that?” – Patrick Christys [02:50]

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2. Failures in Border and Asylum Systems

• Home Office Practices:

  • Migrants receive instructions—from smugglers and charities—on how to pass Home Office interviews, including language cheat-sheets and practice questions. Whistleblowers confirm that officials are pressured to approve Afghans and Eritreans, often regardless of evidence or criminal record. [06:14-07:35]

• Importing Criminality:

  • Christys recounts cases of migrants—some with extensive criminal histories, including sex offenses—being permitted to remain in the UK, at taxpayer expense. [08:03]

  “The taxpayer basically paid for his legal defense to stay in Britain, paid for his accommodation and paid for him to have a drink after he’d raped a British 12 year old girl.” – Patrick Christys [08:03]

• Lack of Enforcement:

  • Intelligence agencies, local authorities, and international partners display “no real evidence” of acting on clearly provided intelligence. [20:30]
  • French authorities may conduct visible actions but little sustained change results—camps reappear “three or four days later.” [20:33]

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3. National Security and Geopolitics

• Criminal and Terror Links:

  • Evidence points to involvement of Afghan special forces, “Ayatollah fans,” weapon-smuggling, and possible state sponsorship (Iran, Pakistan, Russian Wagner group involvement in Africa). [09:30-13:36]

  “It’s a soft war to sow social discord and fundamentally undermine, you know, culture, society, safety, etc.” – Patrick Christys [13:15]

• Money Flows:

  • Smuggling fees alleged to be dropping or “massively overblown,” with some migrants traveling for little cost, sometimes funded by family or networks in the UK. Rival groups sometimes fight for places on boats; UK-based facilitators play a key role. [14:28]

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4. Societal Impact and Public Policy

• Local Consequences:

  • Massive numbers (over 100,000 asylum seekers in taxpayer-funded accommodation, exceeding British Army size) are distributed around the UK, often in unsupervised settings. This is causing tension, safety concerns, and is linked to increases in various crimes and illegal work. [28:08-29:05]

• Life in Hostels/Bases:

  • Migrants staying in hotels or military bases such as RAF Wethersfield benefit from 24/7 transport, food, recreation, and other amenities; illicit activities like drug use are reportedly frequent. [33:55]

• Public Frustration:

  • Many Britons feel their concerns (crime, safety, democratic accountability) are ignored, and that labelling criticism as “racist” or “far-right” is silencing debate. [31:50-33:04]

  “We do have democracy in this country on paper, but how many times can we vote for something or vote against something and the opposite happens over and over and over again…” – Patrick Christys [31:50]

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5. Press Freedom and Government Accountability

• Challenges to Journalism:

  • Christys shares his experiences of receiving credible death threats from UK-based traffickers, underscoring the risks for journalists who expose such networks. [18:12-16:33]
  • Governmental reluctance to publicize or act on their findings: authorities sometimes demand stories be suppressed to protect intelligence operations, yet fail to dismantle networks afterward. [19:15-20:30]

  “They just don’t want me to expose it...And that’s a big problem.” – Patrick Christys [19:50]

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6. Political and Electoral Shifts

• Weaponization/Sectarianism of Voting:

  • The rise of identity politics and “Islamic vote” in local and general elections is changing political campaigning, with some candidates appealing directly to specific communities (sometimes in other languages), focusing on niche or foreign issues. [41:08-50:49]
  • Concerns about growing numbers of MPs representing sectarian interests, potentially undermining national cohesion and free speech (e.g., efforts to silence discussion about grooming gangs). [50:49-52:58]

  “It is the weaponization of the Islamic vote on steroids in a way that we’ve never seen before.” – Patrick Christys [44:10]

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7. Root Causes and Proposed Solutions

• Institutional Failures:

  • Cultural reluctance to confront criminality or extremism—for fear of appearing racist—has led to deadly consequences (Manchester Arena, Nottingham attacks, Batley Grammar School). Christys argues for personal accountability for public servants and removal of DEI/woke training contributing to failures. [53:57-57:56]

  “Not wanting to seem racist led to three little girls being killed and 22 other people being terribly injured.” – Patrick Christys [54:35]

• Recommendations:

  • “Radical solutions”: leaving the ECHR, mass deportations regardless of origin, complete overhaul of asylum systems, and drastically reducing benefits for claimants to remove incentives. [37:39-39:13]
  • Emphasis on the necessity of reclaiming national control rather than relying on French or other foreign actions. [39:13-40:56]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On British taxpayers funding the crisis:

  “Would you say then that the British people are funding our own invasion?” – Host
  “Absolutely.” – Patrick Christys [25:20]

• On the threat to democracy and press:

  “It constrains the ability of the British people to even know what’s going on...if journalists and press freedom is threatened from actually exposing this...” – Host [18:38]

• On electoral consequences:

  “There are about 120 constituencies with a Muslim population of 10% or more...enough to swing a marginal constituency.” – Patrick Christys [48:04]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Calais & Smuggling Networks: 02:08 – 06:08
• Home Office & Asylum System Failures: 06:14 – 09:26
• Criminal/Terrorist Ties & Geopolitics: 09:30 – 13:36
• Money Flow & UK-Based Gangs: 14:28 – 16:33
• Threats and Government Reluctance: 18:12 – 20:30
• British Policy, Hotels, and Local Impact: 28:08 – 33:55
• Electoral Shifts and Weaponization of Voting: 41:08 – 50:09
• Institutional and Societal Fears: 53:57 – 57:56
• Future Outlook for Children: 59:09 – 61:10

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Tone & Conclusion

The tone is urgent, polemical, and unapologetically skeptical of the UK government and mainstream institutions. Christys calls for radical, uncompromising action to address migration, smuggling, and the broader cultural changes affecting the country. The host and guest agree that current trends threaten British security, culture, and democracy—and that only determined and possibly unpopular measures can reverse the tide.

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For full context and to hear extended commentary, see the original episode.

Transcript

[A]

The second thing that we exposed is how easy it is to infiltrate and identify human traffickers if you want to. And they are advertising weapons, they've got profile pictures of the ayatollah you touch down on British soil. You are guaranteed to stay in Britain even if you are a prolific sex offender.

[B]

So we just don't have a border then?

[A]

No, I mean, I've lost count of the amount of times that there's been a gang rape or a child rape. The taxpayer basically paid for his legal defense to stay in Britain, paid for his accommodation and paid for him to have a drink after he'd raped a British 12 year old girl. We are importing people who hate us and hate our way of life. It is in my view, a matter of time before we get a large scale marauding terrorist attack. It's a soft war, basically. There have been numerous times when they've called up and said, do not run this story.

[B]

So would you say then that the British people are funding our own invasion?

[A]

And I managed to film some of these lads staring through the great gates of the primary school. The weaponization of the Islamic vote on steroids in a way that we've never seen before. You not wanting to seem racist led to three little girls being killed and 22 other people being terribly injured. I have had death threats as a result of this. We've let people in who are facilitating the invasion of Britain and then who are not above like actually threatening the life of a British journalist.

[B]

The journalist who has exposed the smuggling gangs at great personal risk in order to expose what is really happening in Britain's migrant crisis. He's also one of the most popular television presenters in the country, second only to his wonderful wife Emily. Patrick Christie's. Thank you for joining me.

[A]

Thank you for having me. This is great.

[B]

Just slip Emily into the introduction there.

[A]

Absolutely. As you should.

[B]

Hi Emily. So let's start with your trips to France because you have really gone to the source of the migrant cris travelling over to Calais, talking to people, seeing what's actually going on in the ground. So what is actually happening? People see the results here but don't necessarily know what is going on on the beaches of France.

[A]

Well, it's completely utter carnage and total lawlessness aided and abetted by numerous different hard left open border fanatic charity groups and of course the French. And it is absolutely horrific what's going on over there. What we were able to expose was not just the French aren't doing anything with British taxpayers money. We've sent them upwards of £700 million of taxpayers cash. They've not even bothered to put a fence up around the beaches at all. What they have done, though, is put a fence up around some local people's houses so the migrants don't bother them. They've also used some British taxpayers money to patrol the French and Italian border. We are responsible for 10% of France's border control. Very little of that is going on around Calais. So you've got that side of it, you've got the numbers of it. You've also got the cold, hard reality that most of these, in fact, like 99% of them, from what I saw, are men. Also, it's not just the boats. Everyone focus on the boats and with good reason. But it's the lorries as well. There's an entire massive warehouse in Calais that is just men. Just men. And they are mostly from sub Saharan Africa and they are all on their way to Britain. So you've got. That's kind of the first thing that we exposed. The second thing that we exposed is how easy it is to infiltrate and identify human traffickers, if you want to. So we went there the second time. We'd managed to get a load of numbers from various different sources and avenues of human traffickers. We touched down in Calais, got straight on the phone. Within an hour and a half, we'd met up with four human traffickers, got their faces on camera, exposed their numbers, all of those, handed it over to French police. Massively begs the question, why are the Brits not doing that? In terms of our intelligence services, you could literally spend all day rounding up human traffickers. The problem would not necessarily go away, but it would certainly be helped. But just more than that as well, Emma. We've infiltrated very recently a huge people smuggler WhatsApp group with 56 members on and they are advertising weapons, they've got profile pictures of the ayatollah, ISIS fanatics, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So what we've exposed, I hope anyway, is the kind of big umbrella picture of chaos. French not doing anything, how easy it would be to stop the human traffickers if you wanted to. But also unequivocal links to firearms and to terrorist groups. And that is all coming across the Channel.

[B]

God, there's a lot to dig into there. So let's start with who these people actually are. So you said they're mostly men, and I know you. You mentioned this warehouse in another interview that you did, or you said that you basically were there for a number of hours and didn't even see any, you know, French police or anything. It's totally unattended. So who. Who are the people that are coming over? They're not women and children. Maybe there are some, but who are they and why are they coming to Britain?

[A]

So when it comes to the lorries, loads of those are Sudanese, Eritrean, and they are basically people who can't afford the boat crossings. You're still getting a lot of them coming by boat, but for whatever reason, some of them maybe have tried to fail multiple times. They're out of cash, they want to go into the lorries because that's basically free. So that's. That's. That's that. Then you get more of your kind of Iranian, Afghan, Kurdish, that kind of ensemble coming on the boats. And now that is shifting a bit. You are also seeing a lot of African men. Sudanese, again, is the big one that I saw when I was there. So that's who a lot of these men are. But what they are very often pretending to be more for the Middle Eastern contingent, less so for the Africans, is they're pretending to be various different tribes or sects. So, like Bedouin, Kuwaitis, because they are a protected group. Roma Gypsies, because they are a protected group and they know what to say and what to claim.

[B]

Who's telling them this? Is this social media or is it these charities who are in Calais telling them what to combination?

[A]

So, in the WhatsApp groups, they are given information about questions that the Home Office will ask you and they will ask you about nationality. They will then ask you to try to prove your nationality by asking you, say, three or four questions about known historic landmarks in those countries. They will do kind of basic language tests as well. So, you know, maybe if you learn a few phrases down, you bank on the idea that whoever is doing the Home Office interview doesn't really care about that anyway. And they'll. Yeah, they'll. They'll get you to just kind of give you this checklist of things to. To say. And that's been put out, yes, by CH charity groups, but also just by the smugglers themselves. And there's a list of it. I'm doing an exclusive on it tonight, actually. There's the checklist of what to say if you want to come across as a Roma gypsy. And there you go. But ultimately, the final backstop for us as a country, of course, is the Home Office. And we know from various different whistleblowers within the Home Office and the asylum system that they have been told Even if you know that this person is lying, you should wave them through. And even if in the case of one Afghan man who'd been caught exposing himself near a child's playground multiple times, he was still approved because there told that they weren't allowed to not approve Afghans and Eritreans. So you basically have 100% success rate for Afghans and Eritreans. So if you are of those nationalities or you can lie and claim to be of those nationalities and you touch down on British soil, you are guaranteed to stay in Britain even if you are a perfect sex offender.

[B]

So we just don't have a border then?

[A]

No, we don't have a border.

[B]

I think it was Alison Pearson. She did an interview with one of these whistleblowers who said that she was afraid that one of these people that she's being forced to allow into the country at some point is going to commit some kind of abhorrent crime, which presumably a lot of the people who will be involved in checking people who are coming in know that that's what they're doing and they just simply don't. What is it that they just don't have the ability to say no at all?

[A]

Well, yeah, there's huge amounts of pressure on them from above from the higher ups to approve it and with good reason. There is a huge focus on the sexual crimes that these men commit and they are obviously absolutely disgusting. I mean, I've lost count of the amount of times that there's been a gang rape or a child rape or all of this stuff. I mean one of the people who was Afghan who rapes a child and recorded it and was caught, was ultimately caught because he used his taxpayer funded bank card that you get something like 40 quid a week to go and buy a couple of cans of Red Bull after he raped this girl. And they were able to trace him through that. So the taxpayer basically paid for his legal defense to stay in Britain, paid for his accommodation and paid for him to have a drink after he'd raped a British 12 year old girl. And you know, that is obviously the most sickening thing possible. But for me the big thing that is almost definitely going to happen and I really hope it doesn't, but I just feel like it is, is going to be a terrorist attack, a huge terrorist attack. Because when you see the kind of people that are coming across the channel and these is, this is evident by the groups that we've infiltrated and the nationalities and the social media profiles and the WhatsApp stories that are hosted by the people who were doing the smuggling. Members of the Afghan special forces that were trained by British troops. That's one of them. You've got Iranians, not dissidents, just Iranians who are carrying pro Ayatollah fans.

[B]

One of them had the Ayatollah, didn't they, in the smuggling chat? Ayatollah as a profile picture.

[A]

Several of them have the Ayatollah as a picture. You've got people there who are just openly posing with weapons. AK47s, submachine guns, semi automatic rifles, pistols, et cetera, et cetera. So we are importing people who hate us and hate our way of life. And it is the easiest thing in the world for these people to get into Britain now. And it is a matter of time. Coupled with the fact that actually by the end of this week, the government is shutting 11 migrant hotels. Now that could be upwards of 1,000, maybe 2,000 people who are gonna be now scattered across the country. And this is what we're seeing. The British government, the Labour government, seems to think that the people have a big problem with the hotels. Well, yeah, we do have problems. A problem with hotels. I'm less bothered about getting a Holiday Inn in Maidenhead back. I'm more bothered about the fact that these people are here in the first place. And when you now scatter them around to houses of multiple occupancy up and down the country, sometimes in very remote rural areas, we don't know fully who these people are or what their intentions are. It is, in my view, a matter of time before we get a large scale marauding terrorist attack conducted by people who have just come across the English Channel.

[B]

I'm going to come back to what happens when they're on this side of the Channel in a second. But first I, I want to ask, want to go back to Calais and ask you some more questions about what exactly is going on there. So these smuggling networks that you've identified, they have been posting these pictures with guns. You know, if they can smuggle people in, they can smuggle guns, they can smuggle drugs, they can smuggle anything, really. I mean, if they wanted to smuggle in a sort of small militia group, I'm sure that that would be no problem for them. So are you seeing evidence, actually that this is much more than just a migrant crisis. This is a national security emergency?

[A]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. It's a national security emergency. And I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out one day that this is state sponsored by other countries. And one of the Examples that I've got for that is that we actually exposed an Iranian human trafficker and we put his picture out there. We reported it to the National Crime Agency multiple times, and we did a real number on it. And he was one who'd been posing with guns, et cetera, and he was currently, at that moment in time, operating from Calais. He was in Calais and around Dunkirk. So that was that. Anyway, after we exposed him, he popped back up again and he'd moved to Pakistan. And what I think we are seeing, and this obviously needs a lot more work, but I wouldn't be surprised if this happens. In fact, I'd be amazed if it isn't the case, is that there are lots of other countries that are offering safe havens for people that they know are human traffickers, Iran being one of them, Pakistan being another one. I mean, Pakistan, of course, is the country that could not detect Osama bin Laden living four years a few miles away from their largest military training base. So, you know, I am slightly skeptical about Pakistan's motives here when it comes to that. There are countries that I think are willing to offer safe havens to these people and are perfectly happy as well to see the fall of the West. I mean, you know, Russia, for example, was helping with the mobilization of African people through Africa and onto those boats that you then saw crossing Mediterranean, getting into places like Italy and the islands of Lampedusa, for example. That Wagner group that was came to prominence in the British psyche because of what was going on in Ukraine. They were massive, massive, massive in Africa. And there are strong evidence to suggest that they were helping with the transportation of people, ultimately. Why? Because it weakens Europe. Who are some of the biggest boat manufacturers or the biggest boat manufacturer, China. And you are still able to buy components for boats, despite what Keir Starmer says. You can do it now. You can buy components for boats and get them delivered to parts of Europe and then obviously onwards to Calais. So you've got massive influence there from Russia, from China and from countries around the Middle east that do not wish us well. And we are basically allowing them to do it. It is a national security threat. But it's a soft war, basically. It's a soft war to sow social discord and fundamentally undermine, you know, culture, society, safety, et cetera.

[B]

It sounds from your own investigations on this as if this is a whole international industry involving criminal gangs in Europe, in the Middle East, Africa, on this side of the Channel, and in Britain as well. There's a lot of money involved here and you Mentioned that some of those who are trying to come across on the lorries are the ones who don't have the money to pay the smugglers to bring them across the Channel. They're paying a lot of money to these smugglers. And I know there's been some talk about, you know, whether or not they do deals where they then work illegally on this side of the Channel in order to pay it off. But how are they getting that money? Where is the money coming from to pay these smugglers, not just across the Channel, but to get to Calais in the first place? If this is a kind of proxy situation where states are, you know, partially funding this, maybe, or, you know, like, how. Where is this money coming from?

[A]

I think the amount of money that they're paying is massively overblown. So I think that if you are a bit stupid, like when I went over there and met the people smugglers, they quoted me £1,200. And I, you know, said I was prepared to pay this, obviously. So if you're prepared to pay it, then they're going to take your money. But I think the reality is that actually a lot of people are coming over on boats for free or for next to nothing, like maybe a few hundred quid. And there have been cases because like all things in Britain, we always end up importing both sides of whatever civil war is going on. Which is one of the reasons why you ended up seeing Eritreans fighting each other with sticks. And I think it was Clark and. Well, because we'd accidentally imported both sides of their political dispute. Same with Sudan. So what's happening sometimes is that you will see a group of Sudanese men who are working with one people smuggler on the beaches in Calais. There'll be another group of Sudanese men who are tracking them and then they'll just fight each other on the beach and whoever wins gets in the boat. And so that I don't think there'll be a huge amount of money exchanging hands there. So. So there is that one person that I spoke to over there was Eritrean, sorry, Ethiopian. And I asked him, how are you paying for this? Because he literally had wet shoes on. He was wet from the knees down. He just had a failed boat crossing. And he just said that his mum and dad, who were still in Ethiopia, were just sending him the money. He'd also left his wife in Ethiopia, which once I pointed out to him, why did you leave your wife in Ethiopia if it was such a war torn country? And it was terrible, he then suddenly forgot how to speak any English. So they're not quite often, if they're paying anything at all, they're being funded by the families back home. Also, quite a few of them already have people that they know here in Britain who are willing to pay for them as well. And that is something that can't be underestimated. One thing I want to say before I forget is that people need to understand that a lot of these human trafficking rings are operating from Britain. They are operating from Britain. So you've got people who are parts of various different gangs, very often Kurdish, actually. And there are some great Kurds, by the way. I mean, there's no. There's like, any kind of cultural.

[B]

Not all Kurds.

[A]

Yeah, well, not all Kurds. And I say. I say not all Kurds, because I've actually got some experience of. Of. Of some Kurds who are basically as pissed off as we are about the situation similar with the Iranians. I mean, there's a big Iranian community near where I live, and they're absolutely incensed because the amount of times that people stop me in the street and say, we left our country to get away from these bastards, now you've let them in and they move. They've got a huge Islamic center of England around the corner where the ayatollah appoints the imam, and they've got a school where they chant deaths to Jews in the playground, fled to get away from these nutters. So it's not all Kurds, but they are here. And the reason why I know this, and I don't want to go into too much detail for security reasons, but the reason why I know this is that I have had death threats as a result of this. And one of the main reasons why those death threats were deemed to be credible and immediate was because they were coming from people who were based in this country. So. So when you think about that, that is doubly infuriating. You go over to France, you expose human traffickers there who are operating with impunity and invading our country, and then they have links back to Britain, and their base is almost definitely from Britain. And those people feel so emboldened that they can basically threaten to murder me in my own country. And that's the way we are. We've let people in who are facilitating the invasion of Britain, and then who are not above, like, actually threatening the life of a British journalist. And that's just particularly maddening.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, the British public know that, you know, the government doesn't seem to want to do a damn thing to solve this problem and it is getting worse and worse. And thanks to your journalism as well, people are starting to understand quite, you know, how severe the situation is, that it isn't actually just about, you know, too many people fleeing persecution, that there's a lot more going on, that these are not people who are fleeing persecution necessarily. These are people who are coming here for, you know, self interested, economic reasons, whatever.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

But surely this actually constrains our democracy in a sense. It constrains the ability of the British people to even know what's going on. If journalists and press freedom is threatened from actually exposing this, the government be held to account if people, you know, many journalists are not as brave as you are and wouldn't take those personal risks and continue to report on it even after getting a death threat or death threats, plural. So do you think that the government are not doing enough to ensure that the press are able to report on this? Perhaps because it's their own self interest,

[A]

they don't want the press to report on it. And I can tell you some cast iron examples of that. We have had numerous different stories where we've managed to infiltrate a human trafficker who has been operating in plain sight on TikTok on social media. And then once you engage with them via WhatsApp, and we have let it run and let it run and compiled all of this evidence and then we've gone for a right of reply, the National Crime Agency and the Home Office and there have been numerous times when they've called up and said, do not run this story, don't run it. And the implication there is that if you do run it, then actually you are going to shatter a long standing intelligence operation. And you wouldn't want to be responsible, would you, for the collapse of a case that we've been building for a very long time that will ultimately bring down a people smuggling ring. So few times we've adhered to that because I don't want to be responsible for that. My ultimate ambition is obviously that we don't have the invasion of Britain. So I'm like, well, okay, fine. And then I check back in a month later, still operating. So we run the story. Screw you, you're not doing anything about it. You just don't want me to expose it, you just don't want me to say anything about it. And that's a big problem.

[B]

Have they ever acted on any information that you've given them?

[A]

Very hard to see that. You can see there's no real evidence for it. There's no real evidence to suggest it. I mean, what happened was when we both times I've been to Calais, we've reported the information to the French police as well. The first time, the day after I got back, they raided the largest migrant camp in Dunkirk and they collapsed it. They got rid of all the tents, they got rid of all the supplies, they moved charity groups out of there. They rolled in a load of kind of French police vans, et cetera, and cleared it. But then like three or four days later, it's back again. They didn't do anything about the warehouse. They cleared the warehouse eventually, I think not long after I got back the second time, the second time we presented them with evidence of these human traffickers, faces, names, everything. And they raided the camp and they found a load of weapons, but that camp is still there. And like I said, there's not a fence in between that camp and the actual beaches at all. So they're not really doing anything about it.

[B]

What the hell are we paying the French for? Are they actually doing anything meaningful to stop any of these boats from crossing?

[A]

No. And you're hearing a lot of BS about the numbers that they're stopping. So the latest line from the government is something along the lines of thanks to the British taxpayers money, the French have stopped 42,000 crossings. Well, that's absolute baloney, because what happens is the French, even if that is a number of things that they've managed to intercept, the French will just release them back onto the beaches. So they just try again tomorrow and they get it. So that's ridiculous. The other thing is, I've covered numerous different cases where French police have caught people in big cars with trailers on the back with numerous different inflatable dinghies, engines, petrol and life vests. And they've caught that person, they've sent them to court, and that person has got off with it by saying, I had absolutely no idea that there was a migrant crisis. I had no idea that I was about to be delivering a load of boats to human traffickers and people. And the French at most will say to them, okay, you're not allowed in France again for another three years. Off you go back to Germany.

[B]

I'm presuming this wasn't just a local Frenchman who'd seen an inexplicable rise in dinghy sales.

[A]

No, quite a lot of them have Turkish sounding names and seem to live in Germany.

[C]

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[B]

So, on this side of the channel, what do you think that, that our government should be doing or even the social media companies? Because you've, you know, you've said that, you know, a lot of this stuff is being. They're using TikTok, they're using social media platforms, messaging services, in order to get people in touch with the smugglers in the first place, in order to maybe to get them to Calais and then to get them here to the uk. If it's so easy for you to get into these chats and to infiltrate these groups and to get this information, why does it seem that the authorities are not doing it? Are they doing it and they're just not telling us? Because I think they would be telling us if they actually were doing anything about this stuff.

[A]

We can also just tell by the numbers that they're not doing it. They're just not doing it. So it's a complete and fundamental lack of political will and they might say that there's a lack of resources there. Okay, well, if this is the national emergency that I think that anyone with a brain in their head can understand that it is, then you need to up the resources. You know, we're paying a load of tax for a load of ridiculous things in this country at the moment. One thing I wouldn't mind paying more tax for is actually to maybe have more National Crime Agency officers so that we can actually stop this invasion of Britain. Now I'm instinctively against banning things, right? So when it comes to social media, I'm kind of against that. And actually it's really useful tool because they're operating so brazenly. The risk might be that if they got off TikTok that they'd go into more encrypted chats and it might be more difficult. What I just want us to do is look at the evidence that's there and stop it. We need to reduce the incentives here in Britain. The benefits that they get, you know, is absolutely, absolutely insane. The benefits and the treatment that you get as an illegal immigrant in this country and, you know, until that stops, people are going to keep coming and, you know, they're very well trained, they're very well versed. You've got a ready standing army of human rights lawyers and activists who are perfectly willing to help them out. You know, huge amounts of taxpayer funding. You know, there's even a new scheme where loads of local authorities have signed up to it to either build new council houses or renovate existing council houses for these illegal migrants. So they know that now they're not just gonna get a hotel room, they might actually get, you know, a brand spanking new cushy new seaside apartment that overlooks the bay in the Cardiff area, you know, and that's, that's fantastic as far as they're concerned.

[B]

So would you say then that the British people are funding our own invasion?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

We're forced to fund, in fact.

[A]

Well, there's no doubt about it, we are funding every single aspect of it. And even when you see people that have committed, I mean, I went to a court case, it was a very, very, very brave girl, what young woman who spoke out about her experiences where she was sexually assaulted by an Iranian asylum seeker who had claimed to be a Christian and was being put up by a Christian charity and was even supported through the first stages of his legal case by a Christian charity. And it was only at his trial that it emerged that we have no idea how. We didn't know he was in the country, so we don't even know how he got here. We don't even know that bloke was. And go back to our point about how dangerous this is, right, we didn't know that guy was in the country until he sexually assaulted an 18 year old girl who was blackout drunk on a night out and was thankfully, in a sense, disrupted by police before he could go any further and do what he inevitably wanted to do. And we didn't know he was here. So how many of these people do we not know are here? How easy is it to get into Britain and not know you're here before

[B]

I ask you about what these people are doing once they get to Britain and the experience of people who are around these migrant hotels. What are the numbers as it currently stands? I mean, 20, 26, when we're recording, do you know what the exact number, roughly the ballpark number is for how many people have crossed the Channel illegally so far this year? Because presumably now those are just the people who actually claim asylum. They're not the people who maybe wash up on a beach, disappear into the country and we have no idea where they are?

[A]

Way over 5,000 for the year already.

[B]

And it's been the colder months as well.

[A]

And it's been the colder months, so we are anticipating, you know, another bumpy year. There's nothing to suggest that it won't be a bumpy year. I believe that by the end of last year, I think it was somewhere in the region of 45,000.

[B]

So this is ramping up the year.

[A]

Well, it's got, it's got higher. I mean, Keir Starmer's premiership has seen more illegal migrants come across at a faster rate than anyone ever. Which for a bloke who said that we were going to be smashing the gangs is absolutely, absolutely preposterous. So this is a problem that's getting worse, not better. And, you know, the government has said as well they're going to close every migrant hotel. And this is the thing, this is what's so annoying, right? Not only did they say they had a plan to smash the gangs and clearly they don't. And in fact we are trying to smash the gangs for them and they just don't seem interested or bothered about it at all. But, but they've got this arbitrary thing, they use another slogan. They said, we're gonna close the migrant hotels by the end of this Parliament. We'll close the migrant hotels by the end of the Parliament. Right. So it buys people off for a little bit. But actually we have got more than 100,000 asylum seekers currently in Britain in some form of taxpayer funded accommodation.

[B]

Larger than the British army is the thing that everyone wants.

[A]

Absolutely. You can fit the current British standing Army into Old trafford with about 15,000 seats to spare. Old Trafford football stadium. You have more than 100, about 110,000 people in this country currently claiming asylum who have yet to be processed, who are, or who are appealing, who are in some form of taxpayer funded accommodation. So if you close all the hotels, right, and then you just distribute them and scatter them around the uk, then that means they are in unsupervised accommodation houses and multiple occupancy, just all over the uk where they can completely run

[B]

riot and presumably even more free because they're under less surveillance to go and work illegally, which we've seen these stories about people working for Deliveroo, Uber Eats, that kind of thing. What are these people doing when they get here? Are they arranging work for themselves before they even come across?

[A]

Yeah. So it's often all tied up in a neat little bow. So for example, one of the human traffickers that we were engaging with for a while, we said, we need a job when we get to England. And he just gave us the number of an Iraqi man who was in England who got straight back to us and said, I can get you a job as a driver now. You know, I imagine there's a couple of things that could mean either delivery driver or drugs delivering drugs. And these are the kind of industries that naturally they would operate in. So that's basically what they are doing here. If they're working, it's illegally. For companies like delivery, just eat, Uber eats, et cetera. Car washes are a big one as well. I mean, the Turkish barbershops, Turkish barbershops that you're seeing popping up around the place, and all of these vape shops as well. And this is. Here's the thing that I find so, so, so infuriating. There will be people watching this now who run a small business and have run it by the buck for decades, or who work on market stalls or all of this stuff, who get up at the crack at dawn, work, lose sleep at night, who now are going to have to submit their accounts to HMRC Quarterly, thanks to Rachel Reeves infinite wisdom. And yet, when you just drive down various different streets, and I would ask anyone here now, go to Kilby Kilburn in London, drive down Kilburn High Road and you just look at the different shops that are on offer there. Why are they not getting knocks on the door from HMRC in the Inland Revenue? Again, when your tax goes up, when your council tax goes up, when you are being squeezed within an inch of your life and you get audited by HMRC and they go, oh, well, actually, you said you used 30,000 plastic cups this year for your business and we think you might have only used 20,000, so you owe us an extra few grand. Right, okay, what are you gonna do about the town in Wales that's now got 14 Turkish barbers? Because there aren't enough people in that town to get their hair cut that often for them all to be making money? Are any of them getting a knock on the door or not?

[B]

No, it seems, I mean, there's obviously a lack of political will. The British people want them to. Nobody looks at this and thinks, yeah, that's fine, we don't want the government to do anything about it. They would expect that the resources would be there to be looking into this stuff and to be, you know, making sure that these people are getting a knock at the door and are and properly investigated. But do you think that there's an element of this that is a sort of like no taxation without representation that, you know, people are not going to. I mean, people already don't want to be paying all the taxes to put these people up in hotels and so on, and feeling as if they're funding the invasion of their own country. But do you think it's a kind of no taxation without representation issue that, you know, the state don't have the right to continue squeezing, squeezing everyone's wallets and bleeding us dry in order to fund things that the British people have time and time again voted against?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it's that, isn't it? We do have democracy in this country on paper, but how many times can we vote for something or vote against something and the opposite happens over and over and over again and then you are called a racist or far right or a bigot and you're demonized and slandered and you know, this is the ridiculous thing. I mean, it's like, for example, I did a debate at the Oxford Union on whether or not the St. George's flag had become a symbol of division in this country. Right. And what, no one on the opposite side. And by the way, can I just say that they had a bloke on my side who was the former General Secretary of the Fabian Society, who stood up and then just agreed with the other side who would have guessed he would be a wolf in sheep's clothing. But they are refusing and unwilling to understand why people in this country want to raise the flag of their country now. And it's because of this stuff they're being squeezed into their life. They voted for things time and time again. They're guessing the opposite time and time again. Then they recalled a horrible little racist gammon faced piglet and then called all the names under the sun and then they're squeezed again. So people are frustrated and people want to remind our government whose country this actually is.

[B]

And then the government are like, oh, why do we have a recruitment crisis in the army? I wonder why that might be so, I mean, these people, when they're coming over here, we're putting them up at great expense. It's very cushy some of the places that. Not when they're moved into houses of multiple occupancy, necessarily, but even then that's housing that British people need and probably would like to have if they're on the council's waiting list. What is life like for these migrants in the hotels, but also and in these army bas, but also for the people who are living in those areas. So, like the Bell Hotel in Epping, like, what is life like for those people who are, you know, coming into the most close contact in their daily lives with the migrant crisis?

[A]

Well, if you look at what life is like, firstly for some of these illegal migrants, you've got RAF Wethersfield for example and there is a minibus service that they are allowed to use 247 to get them into local towns like Braintree and Chelmsford et etc. So they've got their accommodation there, former RAF barracks and base. There are three square meals a day, pool table, games room, all of this stuff. Drug taking is absolutely rampant. So you know, you can basically just wake up, skin up, bit of wake and bake, go to the games room, have a nice, have a nice taxpayer funded meal, decide you want a day out in Braintree, go and do whatever you want in Braintree. You've got a phone provided for, you've got some spending money provided for you, you work illegally, back you go, that's that. Now that actually for a lot of people is quite a nice life in a sense, right? Especially given the fact that you've just come from a camp in France. The French have absolutely no qualms about these people living 1000 people in a urine stenched warehouse or in a camp, right? Things that people in this country would say is against their human rights. The French don't give a toss about that. So compared to that, that's that. Then you look at the locals, right, and the locals are having to put up with all of, with all of this stuff. They're having to put up with, you know, a fundamental lack of safety. You've mentioned there, the Bell Hotel case where the bloke just sexually assaulted a child. I mean there've been numerous different cases of this as well, which basically means more security for your home. I mean there's, there's a case as well in, I think it's in Faversham in Kent where they've got a children's home for migrants where they all, I mean I've been there twice and like, like every single one that I've seen looks comfortably over 18 and it's next to a primary school and I managed to film some of these lads staring through the great gates of the primary school while kids were playing in the playground. So for the day to day life of the people around there, you've got security, you've got the safety or lack of for your kids, you've got women's safety issues as well. You've also got the issue of house prices and for a lot of these very well meaning lovely liberal people who go, oh, it's great, yeah, refugees, welcome. Okay, let's put 500 of them next to your house house and see what it does to your house price. Because there is no way on earth I will be buying a house that's right next to a whopping great big migrant hotel. And if they're being honest, they wouldn't either. So you've got house prices, safety, all of that stuff. You know, they're being asked to take huge personal risks as a, as a result of entertaining this ridiculous migrant crisis that we've got going on at the minute. And then when something happens as it does and you kick off about it, then you are called far right and racist. And can I just say, I think it is testament, with a few very obvious exceptions like the actual torturing of a migrant hotel and things like that, which is inexcusable. But I think that actually the British public deserve a huge amount of credit for the way that we have conducted ourselves in the face of what have been an onslaught of un unwanted, undesired illegal immigration that is putting all of us at risk. And that as well, coupled with the legal migration that we're seeing and rapid cultural and societal change that is also bringing with it huge safety issues and huge taxation issues, as we discussed. And I think it is a testament to the dignity of the British people that we actually have seen very, very, very little trouble. And I don't think there's many other countries where you would have the same kind of things that we're seeing here where they would tolerate it in the way that we have.

[B]

Some might say that that's not necessarily a good thing and that, you know, people's tolerance is starting to run thin. So where does this end? I mean, what does the long term consequence of this look like for Britain?

[A]

The problem is, is that now because politicians have allowed this situation to get so catastrophically awful and it gets worse with every single day, that with every single day, the solution becomes more and more radical. Because if we'd have nipped this in the bud, if Sajid Javid had turned the first boat back and then done it for another couple of weeks, probably wouldn't have this crisis now. But over the course of the years and years they've let it run and run. So we end up in a situation now where the solution has to be, in my view, radical. Leave the echr, mass deportations. Doesn't matter what country you've come from, you are going back there. Doesn't matter what you say, really, you're going to face in those countries, you are going back there and, and there'll be some winners and losers in that. And I feel desperately sorry for some of the people who their lives will be worse as a result of that. But at some point we have to draw a line, right? And that's the only way I see that getting resolved. And I think that the system that judges these asylum seekers people needs to be completely scrapped and built from the ground up again. I think we have to stop any benefits for asylum seekers coming here and this is it. And people will say, well that's harshness against their human rights. Okay, well I have a degree of sympathy for that. But at what point do we draw the line? And we wouldn't have to behave like that now if it hadn't have got so bad.

[B]

What about the French? Is there something we can leverage against them to force them to build a fence? Or is there something that can be done on the other side of the Channel that will actually help the situation? Or does it have to be actions that are taken here in between Britain?

[A]

Well, we need to come up with something that we can use as leverage. And it is incredibly tricky because we've had successive governments that have basically taken the knee to France and have operated and negotiated from a position of total weakness. I mean, Shaban Mahmoud appears to actually be trying to do the right thing, which is saying that we're going to pay you by results. But the French have, have the whip hand here because if they decide to just let everyone cross the Channel, then that's what happens. And that is ultimately why we just need to deport people ourselves. You know, like if we aren't deporting people ourselves and not letting any of them claim asylum and not giving them any benefits, then ultimately it doesn't really matter what the French do because you can get in a boat, you can get halfway across the Channel and you just off again and it actually solves the problem on both sides of the Channel because they're not going to keep massing there if they realize that we're going to. So this is it. You know, I don't realistically think that you can get the French to do anymore because they don't want to. It's not in their national interest. If I had my exact job as a GB news presenter but was in France right now I would be urging the government to let them all through to Britain. So we don't want them here. So you know, why should we expect the French to do it? The solution has to be ourselves, just deport them. But unfortunately Keir Starmer doesn't have a set of balls. Right. And you know, is just, is just never Gonna leave the echr, dictated to entirely by human rights lawyers, even to the point where we were worried that if we boarded up some of these Russian Shadow fleet oil tankers in the Channel that the Russians would just claim asylum in this country. So we didn't board it. So we'd rather they just carried on going and providing weapons to Ukraine, who we are also funding. This is our ridiculous obsession with human rights in this country. Just deport them and then the problem goes away.

[B]

There's a slogan, just deport them. It's also bleak. But something else that's also bleak is the May elections. So I wanted to ask you about what's happening with local elections because some of the campaigning has been pretty weird.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. Now this is a one to watch, right? And we are gonna see this on steroids at the general election, which if you subscribe to the same view that I do, which is that there is ultimately one chance left to save Britain, then the next general election really, really matters. And we've seen the Warm up act really now for it with these May elections and it's like Galton and Denton, but all over the country. Sectarianism campaigning in different languages, people who barely speak English, running for office on weird like kind of niche like religious issues, et cetera. And this is where we are now in Britain. It's a very sorry tale and I think we've probably got a few clips, haven't we, that we can actually.

[B]

We do. Ollie, roll the clip.

[C]

Hello, my name is Julian Niester, I'm your candidate Forward End Workers Party. I want to change little bit this area. We need something to be good for everyone. We need cleaning, not rats, not holes in the roads. We need to change little bit the area. Please on the 7th May come to vote your support. There will be my. My good things in the life.

[A]

So that is a bloke called, well nicknamed Pablo Tescobar or Halal Capone depending on. On whose Twitter account that you look at there now he as you can tell, doesn't really speak very good England and I can't really tell what he's asking for there. One of the things that is a point of contention is I think he's saying that he will ban horse in road or whores or holes, which might make more sense. I think he's trying to run on an anti pothole ticket, but instead has essentially said he wants to ban the Urban grand national and. And there you go. So there you go.

[B]

I thought he was talking about prostitution.

[A]

He might be.

[B]

It's all up for grabs.

[A]

We don't know.

[B]

I'd ask him, but very clever campaigning method to appeal to everyone.

[A]

Yeah, there you go. So. So he might. He might win, I think. Have we got. We got some other examples here?

[B]

Yeah, we've. I mean, we've got some. Some examples of Green. A Green Party candidate, I think, who is speaking in another language. I'm actually not sure which language it is, but let's take a look at some of those clips.

[A]

Yeah, so there you go. Bad news for anyone who is. Is just an English speaker in that particular area. But that says it all, doesn't it? And that is the level of sectarianism that we're seeing. I mean, at the Gorston Denton by election, the Greens deliberately targeted every single mosque in the area and just handed out leaflets over and over and over again at the mosques. And it is the weaponization of the Islamic vote on steroids in a way that we've never seen before. And I don't know how people like Zach Polanski slaves at night. I don't get it. I don't get out. Because they must know. They must know somewhere in their heart of hearts that they will just be the ones who are eaten last.

[B]

Well, how long do you think they can sustain this sort of Islamo communist alliance? Because you've seen the footage of them. I think it was in Trafalgar Square with the scantily clad man dancing around with Zach Polanski. And obviously the Islamists are not gonna be too keen on that, or even too keen on the new MP's love of her dogs. Because that's become a big sort of campaigning point, hasn't it? The fact that certain Muslim communities don't like dogs. So how long do you think that alliance can actually hold together? And what happens to the left when it falls apart?

[A]

Well, it's starting to fragment. So you have some independent candidates or independent voices like Ahmed Yacoub, the comedy lawyer, who is around the Birmingham area. He's already calling that stuff degeneracy. It was daylight in the daylight hours. You can't let your kids see that. You can't vote for these people. Asma, Muslims. And. Yeah, I mean, Mothyn Ali, the deputy co leader of the Green Party, seemed to take the day off that particular day. He wasn't on stage dancing with the Village People, was he? But you've got Zach Polanski there and Hannah Spencer gyrating with blokes in fishnets and wearing leather thongs on a stage while people chant things Like Yah's Queen in the middle of. Middle of Triangle Square. And so how do you marry up the LGBTQ AI? Whatever else fair with the more fundamentalist Muslim vote? And what we saw going around at the Gorton and Denton by election, to keep coming back to that was some literature, academic literature, being sent to members of the Muslim community in that area saying that it's okay to vote for a party that holds views you disagree with, basically, about the gay people and trans people, because your ultimate ambition here is Gaza. And it's okay, according to Muslim doctrine, for you to vote on that issue and ignore the rest of it. But those splits are gonna happen, and they're gonna happen at some point. I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. If. Or what I would do, sorry, if someone was campaigning against the Greens, is that I would just go door to door, every single mosque in the country, every single massively Muslim area, and I would just have a picture of Zach Polanski next to a bloke with assless chaps wearing fishnets and a thong and waving the pride flag. And I wouldn't even put anything on it. I wouldn't even say, like, vote for another party. I'd just say. I'd probably put, this is the Greens, and I'd just slip it through every single one of their doors and just see what happens. And I'd be amazed if people don't do that. People go, oh, gosh, that's absolutely ridiculous. Oh, you can't do that. Okay, sorry. How's that any different from doing election campaigns in a language that most British people do not understand? Constantly talking about Gaza, Zionism, all of this stuff, Having candidates that are just unbelievably fruity about some of their views and some of their past tweets about, let's be honest with you, the Jews, right? And just trying to hoover up votes at a mosque. How's that any different from putting a picture of Zach Polanski with a bloke wearing a gimp mask?

[B]

Do you think that by the time we actually get to the next general election, so in the May elections, we might see them being successful doing this kind of dual campaigning where the Green candidates speak in another language to a particular community on a particular sectarian, and then the Greens get in. But actually what they're doing is they're just proving the blueprint. They're sort of like testing the concept, as it were, of how to campaign in this way, so that when we actually get to the next general election, what we'll be seeing is independent Muslim MPs who don't have any of that sort of fruity green stuff and are just campaigning on the issues that matter to certain segments of the Muslim community.

[A]

Like an airport in Merpur.

[B]

Yeah, precisely.

[A]

Yeah. Like an airport in Merpool, which also happens to be the area of Pakistan where a lot of the grooming gang people came from. There have been MPs that have campaigned. Their biggest issue, the issue that was most important to them for a while was that the British government helped the Pakistani government to build an airport in Merpur. I mean, ridiculous. We're going to see more of this. The numbers on this are pretty stark. I can't remember them exactly off the top of my head. So I'm willing for someone to fact chat me on this. I want to make that very, very clear. But from memory, from memory, there are about 120 constituencies with a Muslim population of 10% or more. I think there are, roughly speaking, around 50 or 60 with a Muslim population around 20% or more. And that is obviously enough to swing a marginal constituency. And what that could mean in reality is that, I don't know, taking a Conservative number here, like, you can end up with 50 or 60 of the quotes, unquote, Muslim vote independent and MPs at the next Parliament, people will say, that's democracy. Fine. That is democracy. Absolutely. But I still have the right to say that. I think that does pose a fundamental problem because we're talking about things here, about Yale, right. Our views on foreign policy, that's one aspect of it. But also you've got things like the Islamophobia definition, the free speech issues. It will be a problem. It will be a problem for people who are pro women's rights and pro the gay community. Although to be fair, there are multiple aspects of the kind of more fundamental Islamic group who do want single sex spaces enforced quite vehemently. So there is some crossover there. But you saw a local councillor, I think it was in Burnley, who was a young female medical student who stood on a ticket of gender segregated spaces at the gyms, I think, and one and what and what. So you know you're going to end up with things with a lot of that stuff. And we have to question as a country whether or not not we seriously want that. The other aspect of this, of course, just quickly, sorry, is a lot of those countries are monumentally corrupt. So you look at countries like Bangladesh, I mean, we actually have local councillors in Tower Hamlets who are also councillors in Bangladesh.

[B]

Oh, I think they didn't win, but they were campaigning to be. They were campaigning to be MPs for the Bangladesh National Party whilst they were still sitting MPs here.

[A]

It's a bit of a commute, isn't it, London? I mean, bear in mind that they had a go at Matt Goodwin for not having much of a connection to Gorston and Denton, by the way. That was hilarious. So this same Green Party that's making all the. On the Labour Party, who are like, oh, welcome, let everyone in. Have you just arrived from rural Pakistan? You're as Mancunian as I am. My friend, Matt Goodwin, he's not from around here, is he? He's not from here. He can't vote for him. He's not even from here. But yeah, anyway. But, yeah, like, look, this is a ridiculous thing that we're gonna see and I think that is gonna be bad on multiple different fronts.

[B]

But it also, it determines the subject that we pay attention to and it constrains, I mean, people have already pointed out, it constrains our foreign policy, it constrains domestic policy, whatever. But one of the examples of speech that it could potentially curtail, and we personally, the two of us, have seen this. In the case of our coverage of the grooming site, when we attempted to discuss some witnesses or victims experiences of having been religiously abused in the context of grooming gangs, There were certain MPs and certain Muslim pundits who attempted to use Ofcom and attempted to use their own position in public life to try and silence that discussion. And we've also seen there's another news story this week at the time that we're recording this, that 70% of mosques refuse to give anti grooming sermons. And so I guess my question for you is, you know, why. Why is this the case? Why would they want to try and silence those sorts of conversations? And is that going to get worse the more that we see this sort of sectarianism in our politics?

[A]

It makes a lot more sense if you look at it through the lens of people want Islam to be the dominant religion in Britain and want Britain to become an Islamic country. Because that would be an obvious reason as to why you would want to silence any criticism and put the, for want of a better phrase, the fear of God into people who are willing to talk out about this stuff. If your main ambition was to turn Britain into an Islamic country, then that is what you would do. You'd want to stifle any kind of criticism or any conversation, even about the things that are Being heard in mosques, the links between the rape gangs and the religion of Islam, which is a very sensitive topic to talk about because not every Muslim is a child abuser or anything like that at all. But you can't ignore the fact that numerous different victims and survivors have said that they had scripture from the Quran quoted to them during their abuse, that they. Their abuse was justified on the grounds that they were not Muslim and they wanted to keep their own girls pure.

[B]

Forced into sharia marriages, forced into sharia

[A]

marriages, attempted to get them to move to Pakistan, to be forced into marriages in Pakistan. All of this stuff, right? So, like, you can't. You can't ignore that link. But then when you bring it up, I mean, we saw what happened with the Batley Grammar School teacher. We saw in the wake of the October 7 attack, the Daily Mail did a good piece where they managed to get into various different mosques in places like Birmingham and Manchester and talk about what some were actually being given in those mosques. And it was just unbelievably anti Semitic and, you know, just the antithesis of everything that we stand for as British values. So, you know, there's obviously a fear amongst certain aspects of the Muslim community that more people are gonna wake up to the fact that this is going on and that that might actually lead to more of a national conversation about, well, hang on a minute. How can we climb down on this? Do we really want this? They want to try to shut that up, up so they can continue to try to turn Britain into a Muslim country, basically.

[B]

One of the other stories this week that sort of touches on this issue is this inquiry into what happened in Southport and Axel Ruderkaban, apparently his head teacher, tried to raise the risk that she thought he posed to other students and apparently was accused by children's mental health worker of racially stereotyping. So how do we get over this? It's the same as we saw with Salman Obadi and the Manchester Arena Bomber. There was a sort of sensitivity about thinking that he was suspicious when he clearly was. So how do we get over this as a country? Because it's still going on to this day.

[A]

Sack people who do this, hold them personally accountable. I absolutely believe that his parents are ultimately responsible for this. By the way, the back catalog of disaster that this guy, this monster, was doing. Expelled from school, multiple knife offenses and instances. His dad intercepted a machete delivered to the property in 2023 and didn't tell the authorities. They knew that he was making poison in his room and didn't do anything. They didn't monitor his online activity and that included looking up an Al Qaeda training manual. On the day that he went missing, they realized he'd gone missing. They found an empty knife packet wrapper in the washing machine. The mum went back to bed. The dad prayed to God that he'd just gone for a walk. Yeah, because that's what it do, isn't it? Despite all this stuff, there was. He had a 1% attendance record at a specialist college and the teachers at that college were so scared of him that they had a police escort to go and visit him in his own home. The parents have to bear an ultimate responsibility here. And they were granted asylum in this country from Rwanda in 2002. And I think they should be sent back there. However, this is a multiple different level authority failing as well as you've identified. And it's not just this guy. Oh, we can't racially profile this complete lunatic. Oh, racially profile this guy. Well, you know, okay, you. Not wanting to seem racist led to three little girls being killed and 22 other people being terribly injured. Valdo Callocane, the Nottingham triple killer, murdered two students and a caretaker called Ian Coates in Nottingham in cold blood. He had previously tried to break into a woman's house. She had to jump off the balcony and injured her back. He was not sectioned because there were too many black people. People in mental health facilities. They didn't section him, went on to kill three people. Salman Abidi was seen with a huge rucksack containing explosives which he'd packed nails into as well for extra impact. The security guard there didn't want to raise it because he was afraid of being called Islamophobic. So where's all that come from? All of those people have been trained that they should not be racist and that if you do all of these little things, things you might be racist, that a microaggression might be racist. There is the infestation of that woke mind virus and critical race theory and whatever else it is that has come from somewhere. They have probably had workplace training, DEI training, where they've got people in to talk to them about their own lived experience of being racially profiled in the past. And that is what's got into their heads. And for those people, they. This is what I don't get, right? For me, if there was a chance that an arena full of children were gonna get blown up or this absolute psychopath was gonna do something with a knife, like go to a girl's dance class and kill a load of them, right? For me, I would rather be called a racist and have that not happen than sit back and go, wasn't called a racist at work today. Three girls are dead. You know, I couldn't live with that. And at some point people are gonna need to give their heads a wobble and recognize but you're gonna have to start sacking people. People who do this stuff, they're gonna have to be held to account. Like I said at the start of this, I blame the parents. There should be consequences there. There have to be individuals from other sectors who are named and shamed here and who are held to account for all of this stuff. And you need to remove all of this woke DEI training from various different establishments because ultimately it is a cancer and it is costing lives.

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I wonder whether you mentioned before that you know, the cases of people working in the Home Office who are just having to sort of like wave these people through, though they know that it's probably not a very good idea that whether people just need to actually start taking personal responsibility for this and not just checking the boxes, not just going along with the things that the institutions are telling them and saying no. You know, having this.

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If the book stops with you, you've got the added pressure, you know, like there's plenty of people's lives of work where it really, really matters. And if you are a faceless civil servant, part of a big globe, it doesn't actually ever come back to bite you. If that person who's got a string of sex offenses as long as his arm is waved through at your behest into Britain and then goes on and rapes a schoolgirl, you don't face any consequences to that. That needs to change, surely.

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Now, one very quick final question that is bit too big to be so quick, but for a child born today, and I know this is a personal question for you because you have a lovely little boy for a child born today, what do you think the next 10, 20, 30 years look like For a child born today, what does the country look like for that child when they reach our age?

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It depends very much on what happens at the next election and what happens at the election after that. If we don't get a grip of things, there will be no such thing as British culture. Britain will simply be a plot of land where anyone in the world can come and live. The economy will continue to get worse and worse, the housing crisis will get worse and worse, our public services will get worse and worse. And what you're gon start seeing is that Britain, like so many other European countries where they used to come to Britain as a destination, Britain will become an exporter of brainy and talented wealth creating people. And we will actually be losing the best and brightest. And in their place, we'll be importing people from, you know, third world rural hell holes to replace them. So that's one avenue it could go. Now that's incredibly bleak, of course, and I hope it doesn't look like that. The other avenue to go is that we get a hold of of net migration, we get a hold of illegal immigration, we get a hold of the housing crisis, there are mass deportations, we build more prisons, we put more people in those prisons and we basically reclaim the streets from a load of these frothing great big lunatics who go around waving Palestine flags and supporting the Ayatollah and who go around accosting members of our armed forces like they literally did on Friday, and then moan about the fact that someone points a gun at them outside the Ministry of Defense. Maybe don't go to the Ministry of Defense and start trying cost members of our armed forces. What would happen to you in Iran if you did that entry? Anyway, if we reclaim all of that and manage to get that right over the course of the next decade, but it means that someone is going to have to be fearless in their approach to doing and driving through all those radical things. Because like we saw in Australia, there was a lot of hoo ha about turning the boats back. No party left or right who has come in after that has reversed that policy. Policy because it worked. And once people realise that those things are actually making Britain a better, safer and happier place, doesn't matter who gets in, whether it's the Greens or whoever else, they will not reverse what has worked. So it's going to be a big fight, but yeah, it's going to be one or two avenues.

[B]

Well, bloody hell. Patrick Christie's thank you so much for joining us. And for those of you who are members, and if you're not, you should become one, we're going to have a little continued conversation in the members section. Thank you so much for watching. Don't forget to like and subscribe. Let us know what you think in the comments and we'll see you next time. Thank you for watching.

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