A Swift Debrief, Travis’ Preseason Prep and Starting Shedeur | EP 151

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce | EP 151

"A Swift Debrief, Travis’ Preseason Prep and Starting Shedeur"

Release Date: August 27, 2025
Podcast Network: Wondery

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Episode Overview

This episode of New Heights finds the Kelce brothers reflecting on their historic, record-breaking episode featuring superstar Taylor Swift, breaking down NFL preseason stories, and previewing the 2025 season. There’s brotherly banter, pop culture detours (from dying beards to domesticated animals), a behind-the-scenes peek into what it took to get Taylor Swift on the show, and candid thoughts on major league headlines—including Shedeur Sanders and the Browns, Cowboys contract drama, and detailed preseason analyses for the Chiefs and Eagles.

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Key Sections & Discussion Points

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1. Taylor Swift Engagement & Last Episode Debrief

[00:00 - 16:00]

• Opening News: The big off-pod news: Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift are officially engaged. Travis was absent for recording (“the proposal heard round the world”). The New Heights team sends their congratulations.
• Last Episode Recap: The brothers debrief their record-setting Taylor Swift episode (20+ million YouTube views in 72 hrs, most-viewed IG Reel ever, 1.3+ million live YouTube views, 400k new subs, etc.).
• Swift Impact:
  • Taylor’s transparency and comfort on the episode are praised (“She is the human exclamation point”—Taylor describing Travis, [07:19]).
  • Travis’s favorite song from Taylor’s new, poppier album is “Opalite” ([04:01]).
  • Jason dives into “Swifty Easter eggs” and details fan reactions across platforms.

Quote

“Taylor gave the world two hours that she’s never given them before...it felt like it really resonated with the fans.”
— Jason ([05:20])

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2. Inside the Swift Episode: Fan & Family Reactions

[09:00 - 22:30]

• Mama Kelce’s Take: Donna Kelce calls the episode “eventful” and “very loving” ([16:08]).
• Turning Dudes into Swifties: NFL players and staff expressed newfound admiration for Swift, especially her take on handling media pressure ([19:06]).
• Highlight Fan Reactions:
  • A 54-year-old male listener left a viral comment about becoming a Swifty and loving the episode despite initial skepticism ([20:20]).
  • Fans, including dads and male coaches, were won over by Taylor’s authenticity.
• Zoo/Banter Tangent: Travis dreams of saving otters from captivity; the brothers banter about animals they’d domesticate (bear, wolf, otter, orca—very on-brand [22:39]).

Quote

“Friends, is it crazy for a 54-year-old dude to be googling what is a Swifty?...I laughed. I got angry at her not owning her own music. And I got choked up…”
— Dread70’s YouTube comment, read by Jason ([20:42])

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3. Behind the Scenes: Keeping the Swift Episode Secret

[27:04 - 32:00]

• The Production Crew: Producers Brandon and Jake reveal the stress and secrecy required to prep the Swift episode (shout-outs to “not dropping the baby,” recalling Jason’s main internal mantra: Don’t say another word; don’t cut her off ([15:12])).
• Taylor’s Professionalism: Marveling that Swift trusted a podcast instead of a late-night show for such a massive album announcement ([30:27]).

Quote

“This is something that usually happens on Tonight Shows...She decided to come on the off-season of New Heights—a bunch of idiots that don’t know what we’re doing.”
— Jason ([30:50])

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4. Chiefs Preseason Analysis & Travis’s Preparation

[33:57 - 53:22]

• Chiefs Camp Recap: Travis details the vibe at St. Joe’s, tight end room excitement, offensive line rebuild, and the division’s new look: easy banter on the AFC West’s loaded head-coach roster ([36:37]).
• Offensive Line Focus:
  • Josh Simmons and Kingsley transition; Jason gives in-depth O-line analysis, calling left tackle “one of the hardest positions” ([41:44]).
  • Trey Smith highlight, likened to a “domesticated bull” ([43:48]).
• Papa Kelce Prediction: Travis’s dad predicts Travis’s “best season ever,” citing strict offseason training ([49:58], [50:13]).
• Training Details: Travis discusses working with Tony Villani, focusing on fundamental speed, explosion, and adapting with age:

  “I went to Tony and said, I need to get my get-off off the ball more explosive and my top-end speed back...That’s what I need to focus on.” ([52:18])

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5. Eagles Camp & NFL Preseason Storylines

[54:48 - 64:51]

• Jason’s Retirement/Ambassador Role: Jason talks about returning to Eagles camp, the joy of sharing his football knowledge, and the contagious “relentlessness” of Coach Stoutland ([56:09]).
• Camp Highlights:
  • Lane Johnson vs. Myles Garrett—watching “two of the best of the decade” go head-to-head ([59:45])
  • Offensive line evolution, and culture on the team
• NFC East Watch: Deep-dive into divisional changes, defenses, and why Philly still leads the pack ([66:01]).
• Dallas Cowboys Drama:
  • Jerry Jones vs. Micah Parsons contract standoff; speculation on management style:

    “Jerry is kind of the issue a lot of people have brought up for a long time in Dallas.” — Jason ([71:05])

  • Micah reportedly seeks $40M/yr, agent disputes JJ’s claims.

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6. Cleveland Browns QB Controversy: Flacco vs. Shedeur Sanders

[73:11 - 80:30]

• Overview: Browns opt to start veteran Joe Flacco over rookie Shédeur Sanders, sparking fan/media uproar.
• Jason’s Reasoning: Believes coaches pick who they trust most, not a conspiracy against the rookie ([76:48]).
• Travis’s Take: Wants to see Shedeur play (“Give the people what they want!”), but understands coaching logic.
• Fan Expectation Reality Check: Jason clarifies that every rookie must earn first-team reps the hard way—preseason disappointment with Shedeur’s workload is “normal”, not a slight ([78:17]).

Quote

“Let the kid develop...just have faith that the Browns know what they’re doing at quarterback.”
— Jason ([77:52])

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7. Off-Field/Personal Updates & Foundation Work

[83:41 - 91:02]

• Travis’s Car Jam Returns: Details on the 3rd annual 87 & Running Car Jam—raising money for Operation Breakthrough, helping underserved youth, and a unique STEM Ignition Lab electric-car build ([84:04]).
• American Eagle Collab: Travis launches a clothesline as True Colors Creative Director, involving top collegiate athletes and Olympians ([87:58]).
• Garage Beer x Chuck Liddell: Jason recounts being “knocked out” by MMA legend Chuck Liddell in a promotional skit ([66:19]).

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8. Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “She is the human exclamation point.” (Taylor Swift on Travis, [07:19])
• “I’m all in on that guy. That was very well stated.” (Jason on 54-year-old fan’s Swifty conversion, [21:06])
• “Shout out to Mama Kels... it was authentic, very loving.” ([16:08])
• “Don’t cut her off, don’t ruin this. Just listen, you stupid idiot. Don’t drop the baby, man.” (Jason on his approach to the Swift interview, [15:16])
• “Jerry is kind of the issue...There’s an old-schoolness…but you have to find a way to work this out.” ([71:05])
• “Give the people what they want! Let him shake!” (Travis on Sanders, [79:23])
• “When Pop’s all good, we’re all good, baby.” (on Pacheco’s preseason sideline hit, [45:11])

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9. Humor & Running Gags

• Jason’s Dyed Beard: Garage Beer bit went awry, resulting in an accidentally dark, youthful beard ([12:23])
• Domesticated Animals: Top five dream pets: bear, wolf, primate, otter, dolphin/orca ([22:39])
• Social Media Trends: Viral TikTok audios, Kylie Kelsey’s wit, women in sports meme circulation ([26:28])
• OT producer banter: “Don’t drop the baby,” “Mission Impossible”–style secrecy prepping Taylor’s pod appearance ([27:04])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00 - 05:54] — Engagement, Swift episode and record-breaking stats
• [05:54 - 15:52] — Taylor on the pod: reactions, brothers’ approach, production talk
• [16:08 - 21:06] — Family/fan responses, why dudes love the Swift ep
• [21:31 - 28:30] — Animal banter, behind the scenes, viral clips, production secrets
• [33:57 - 53:22] — Chiefs preseason, Travis’s training, O-line rebuild, season outlook
• [54:48 - 66:01] — Jason’s return to Eagles camp, NFC East preview, league storylines
• [68:25 - 73:02] — Cowboys contract drama (Jerry Jones vs. Micah Parsons)
• [73:11 - 80:30] — Browns QB situation: Flacco vs. Shedeur Sanders
• [83:41 - 90:51] — Charity car show, Garage Beer ad, American Eagle “True Colors”
• [91:02 - End] — Plugs, thanks, episode wrap

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Overall Tone and Takeaway

The episode is classic New Heights: insightful, irreverent, and full of warm, brotherly ribbing. The brothers balance fan service and football geekery with internet savvy and genuine affection for their guests and listeners. From Swiftie debriefs to lineman battles, playful animal hypotheticals to earnest talks about legacy and community, it’s an episode that’s as much about relationships and joy as it is about football.

Listeners will walk away feeling like insiders on both the NFL and “Kelce Universe”—with heart, humor, and more than a few hot takes.

Transcript

[A]

What's up? Not a Trooper Centers. Welcome back to another episode of New Heights. Unfortunately, it probably won't be as good as the last episode of New Heights, where we set our own records. We set podcasting records. We set a Guinness Book of World Records. That's right. Thanks to the one and only Taylor Swift for hopping on and deciding to talk with two complete idiots that don't know anything about the music industry. And it was a doozy. So get ready for a much lower bar this week. But before we get to that, there is one gigantic piece of new news that just hit the waves. We did record this podcast on Monday, which was Travis's one day off, so he is not here to address this himself. But we felt necessary as a team here at New Heights to get together and send Travis and Taylor a giant congratulations for being engaged. The proposal heard round the world. Yeah. Let's go.

[B]

Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of Wondry show brought to you by the NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. The NFL is back, baby.

[A]

Nelly.

[B]

Preseason is over. We're your host. I'm Travis Kelsey. My big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, and our UC Bear cats are coming to Arrowhead, baby.

[A]

Come on, baby.

[B]

Hopefully I didn't. I know there's a hot mic, but all right now. Oh, man, I'm. I'm pumped for this. These cats to come into Arrowhead and. And go to work on Nebraska, man. You know, I. I think we got a great team this year. I've been hearing a lot about Source B at qb. I know we got a good offensive line, defensive line. Man, we just got to put a full four quarters together, baby. And I know the boys are busting or sweating.

[A]

I know they're sweating. Nebraska is a good team, too. A lot of people are picking.

[B]

There's a lot of confidence over there. I don't know if it's real confidence. What's that?

[A]

Well, a lot of them picking them to, like, potentially win the sec, aren't they?

[B]

I did see that. They are in the big ten, though. For anyone that believes that news, that news is true. Let's get back to the show, though. Subscribe on YouTube, Wonder plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at New Heights show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, why don't you tell everybody what we got?

[A]

Coming up now, your presenters. We are officially one week away from the start of the NFL season and we got another great episode for you guys potentially. Actually. I'll just get out of the way. It's not going to be as good as last week's or two weeks ago.

[B]

You never know.

[A]

But it's going to be hard to top that. We do.

[B]

We'll try our best.

[A]

Yeah. We are going to debrief on everything that happened last episode with somebody that you might have heard of, Taylor Swift. We're also going to break down some of the biggest news and storylines from the NFL preseason. All right, now, before we get into any of that, we are going to start with some new news. Howdy. First bit of new news that we're going to let you guys hear about. Friend of the show, Taylor Swift finally made her New Heights debut.

[B]

Shout out to Tay. Tay.

[A]

Shout out to Tay.

[B]

We're up over, I think, like 20 million views on YouTube right now.

[A]

No, it's.

[B]

It's done really well last I looked.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, listen. And it's all us. I can pretty much guarantee everyone tuned in to New Heights for our bond.

[B]

And I think they tuned in because Taylor gave the world two hours that she's never given them before. Gave everybody a new album to get excited for.

[A]

No doubt. It was incredibly generous. It was awesome.

[B]

I'm gonna go ahead and just like keep poking the bear to. To all the Swifties. I. I keep listening to this album and I know she mentioned that it's going to be a lot more pop beats and everything, but it's just. It's still so poetic and how she like her melodies and her references and stuff. Yeah, it's just so much fun to listen to, man. I've been. I've been dancing all throughout the house.

[A]

Do you have a favorite. Do we asked this before? What's your favorite? Do you have a favorite song yet on the new.

[B]

I'm not a Politician, Jason. I think. I think Opalite might be my favorite, though. It's that at least right now, every time it comes on, I always keep catch myself.

[A]

I. I'm knee deep right now in the Swifty Easter egg hunting. I am all over. Yeah, you know I am because I keep sending you and Tay like stuff. I keep reading. Like, I know you guys don't want to read it, but I'm freaking gonna say make you guys read it because I'm interested. You guys are giving me anything, which is pissing me off even more.

[B]

That was. She's good at keeping it at Easter.

[A]

I know. I'm a very untrustworthy person. I get it. And I wouldn't trust me either, because I will. I can't keep a secret to save my life. I get excited.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah. POPPY beats. You're. You're. You're getting your groove on, dancing to these things. What. What do you. What are you. In an ideal world, what are you doing while listening to this album?

[B]

I mean, you could. It's music, Jason. You can listen to it any time of the day. It's. It's good stuff.

[A]

Can you work out to it?

[B]

Yes, you can work.

[A]

It's, like, gone full.

[B]

What are you working out to?

[A]

I've been. I've been doing some 1989 in my workouts recently. Just like, okay, gets me. Gets the blood pumping.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Max. It's like that or Metallica, which. I mean, a lot of. A lot of differences, but that's what they do.

[B]

They make you move. They make you move.

[A]

Upbeat UP TEMPO Yes. Get the rhythm. Come. Come on the kick drum. I don't know. Anyways. I don't know that it could have gone any better, and I don't think it could have gone any better. I mean, because of how open and incredible Taylor was. I mean, I think that's a really. The biggest thing that I saw of the reactions of everybody out there who listened and watched the video in the episode was just, you know, this is the first time they've seen Tay really unload for that long of a period of time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that, like, authentic and transparent of a way. And I think that it was incredible for her to feel that comfortable on the show, to be able to do that, and it felt like it really resonated with the fans who had. Who watched it.

[B]

Yeah, it was just fun to hear everybody's take on, you know, the beginning of. Of me and her, and then just all the fun from the football season and hearing her take on meeting you for the first time. I enjoyed the hell out of it. I don't think I had, like, expectations of what it was going to be. I knew it was going to get a lot of, like, eyes and. And ears, but at the same time, you just never know how the world's going to react. But so many people just keep coming up to me saying how much fun they had with their significant other, their kids, their. Their. Their family and friends watching that thing and. Yeah, I know, I know. Tay walked away absolutely ecstatic and excited and. And happy that, you know, she came on here and had our first podcast experience with me and you, man.

[A]

Well, the. The one thing. I mean, I took away a lot from the interview that, I mean, she's incredibly Brilliant. She's very smart. She's very funny.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

All of these things. But the one thing I really took away, and it was highlighted by a lot of people out there. But I try to describe you to people. A lot of the times I'm like, listen, nobody knows Travis Kelsey and dislikes him. Like, he is the epitome of, like, a great teammate.

[B]

The people definitely dislike me, but I don't.

[A]

Not people that truly know you, though. Like, that's the difference. People dislike you that don't know you, and they judge you without having any clue of who you are as a person. Everyone you're on with, like, a team. Like, there's just a way about you that you've always been a magnetic human being and you've gotten the best out of people and all this stuff. And when she said, thank you, brother, you were a human exclamation point. I'm saying, God damn. Like, this. She is. She's good with words. Like, I'm like. Great way to describe it. She. It was a banger. That is a great way to describe Travis Kelsey. That's. That might be. That's better than Big Yeti, the human excavation point. That's my new nickname for Travis Kelsey stealing that one. So I do have to ask you this. I mean, I kind of already know the answer because we've talked in depth, but I feel like this should be a question to you. The most important question from the episode. Is Taylor happy with the episode? Oh, yeah.

[B]

She walked away, like, flying around. She was having so much fun, getting to tell everybody about the. The album and. And obviously drop a few Easter eggs and see if everyone caught on.

[A]

So there are Easter eggs. This.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

What's that Pinocchio doing behind you?

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

Is it still there?

[B]

Yeah, you'll see it down there. Little Pinocchio and Jiminy Cricket.

[A]

Who is Jiminy the Cricket in Pinocchio? What does he represent?

[B]

Aren't they Disney movies? Dibs. Disney characters.

[A]

Yes. Yes. All right, let's move on.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. Very sad news for the Kelsey household. Kylie has been dethroned. We knew it was going to happen. We knew it was gonna happen. Kai was holding strong with a. I think she had, like 7 million views, like, in her own right. Was. Had a tremendous. I mean, we've had a lot of big guests. She was beating out Adam Sandler. She was beaten out LeBron James. She's. I mean, she had a great run.

[B]

Yeah, we get it.

[A]

She got dethroned pretty good. And it was very quickly. It was quickly.

[B]

We just need Kylie. Kylie just has to come out with an album.

[A]

A Kylie album. Listen, Kylie can sing now.

[B]

I know, I know. She's a. I don't know that she's.

[A]

Quite the lyricist or performer that Tay is, but she can sing. Let's get to some stats. Swift stats. We're calling these. All right, within the first 72 hours of Taylor's debut on New Heights, this is going to be similar to her intro right here. There were 379 million views on Instagram, including a record breaking IG reel. That's right. The most viewed IG reel of all time happened in this time frame, which is crazy. Yeah.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

There were 61.6 million views on Twitter, 34.5 million views on TikTok, 15 million views on YouTube. This is all.

[B]

I see you shining, girl.

[A]

1.3 million views that were live on YouTube, which broke the record for the most concurrent live views of a podcast, I believe, of all time. New heights passed 3 million followers on Instagram. We gained 400,000 plus new YouTube subscribers since the episode launched. And we also broke the record for the most concurrent podcast listeners ever. We already kind of said that. Thank you, T. So, yeah, it's all downhill from here. I. I don't know. I mean, we'll never touch anything remotely close to this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless Taylor wants to come out with another album, and even then, like, people are gonna be tired of listening to us. So. Yeah, this is.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. Everyone. Everyone sees Jason Kelsey in a different lens now, I think. I think, you know, you're. Well, that too. Which didn't necessarily notice until someone made the reference. So. Great job on you, on picking the right color.

[A]

This is not the right color. It's way too dark. It looks like it took shoe polish to my face. Travis, do you know how we did this? Because I told you we were doing this. We took the one box that has your face on it, which I don't know if that's. So your hair is a little bit lighter than mine.

[B]

Yeah, just a little bit.

[A]

Right. So had like, the. The idea that we'll take that box, which is like light brown, and we'll mix it with the dark brown, and we'll get to like a. Somewhere in between, which is more like 50. I don't know what she did. She was the one playing Chemistry. All right. I didn't touch these things. I came out of the shower. I mean, I don't even immediately I looked like Billy Mace. Like, it was the most ridiculous looking thing I had ever seen in my life.

[B]

ShamWow.

[A]

So, for those of you that don't know, I died. I dyed my beard, which many people did mention on the podcast. The dyed beard came from an idea for Garage Beer where I was going to do this bit where we go back in time. So I wanted to be younger. Initially, I was going to shave my beard completely, and then I was like, yeah, I'm not doing that. I hate my face too much. So I'm going to keep the beard, but I'll dye it to make me look younger, which did work objectively. That's going to come off great.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, we didn't play chemistry very well, and I ended up coming out a little darker than I was expecting, and I missed my grays. I can't wait for this to grow back out. It is kind of growing on me, though. I do feel like I look pretty good with the dark beard. I'm not going to lie. I am. Yeah. So, yes, I did dye my hair. I didn't. I want to emphasize, though, I didn't do it out of a desire to look well. Yes, I did do it out of a desired look. I didn't do it to try. I didn't do it out of vanity. I did it for a bit. That's all I'm saying. I think there's a distinct difference.

[B]

It's okay to be a little insecure about your grays.

[A]

That's not why I did. I like my grays.

[B]

Gotta love it. But no. Back to the world. Seeing you in a new lens, Jason, you. You crushed it. I was over here just. I was so wrapped in what Tay was saying that I forgot we were trying to interview her, because it's hard to interview someone that you love. You're just kind of, like, there to make sure that they're enjoying themselves. And the entire time, Jason's over here playing Barbara Walters.

[A]

Keeping, keeping us on.

[B]

Track, keeping the podcast on track. Everyone said you were the mvp. Everyone thought, you know how a great interviewer you are. And honestly, we both claim that this isn't that, like, this show is very much.

[A]

We're not.

[B]

We're just here to have a conversation, to have some fun, talking about some cool. Like, Jason actually kept it and asking great questions, kind of dumbing down some of the stuff that. That Tay was saying. Not necessarily dumb it down, but just, like, make it more clear to the people that aren't familiar with the industry. Like, you were Killing it as a No.

[A]

I was doing it for them. I wasn't being stupid. I was doing it for them.

[B]

My favorite was the face. Once they caught you with the face, like.

[A]

I, I. The whole time, all I said to myself was, jason, ask the question and don't say another words.

[B]

Don't cut her off. Don't cut her off.

[A]

Say anything. Just listen, you stupid idiot. Don't ruin this. Don't, don't. Nobody's doing it for you, dude.

[B]

But just don't drop the baby, man.

[A]

That was the key. Don't talk and shock her. That's all that I was trying to do. I will say it was similar. I felt like I knew that I was going to have to take the lead of asking the questions because I felt the same way when we did the Kylie episode. When you're both sitting right next to each other, it's hard to stay on track within the. It feels weird interviewing. It feels like it felt better with you taking the lead and asking the questions in that episode. And then, yeah, for this one, it felt like that was going to happen too. So anyways.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, well, nobody, nobody called me Barbara Walters. So what else we got? We got some other good. We got some other good reactions. Mama Kels was at the. The premiere of the Kingdom, which you can check out now on ESPN at Disney.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She was asked if she watched it and what she thought of the pod. She said, I did watch the podcast. I watched all of their. I watch all of their podcasts. It was eventful. It was authentic. It was just something I think everybody was thrilled to see. It was very loving podcast. It was a very loving podcast.

[A]

I'm going to say there's at least one lie in there. There's no way mom watches every episode of this podcast.

[B]

I'm pretty sure she does.

[A]

There's no chance. You think she watches every episode? She's moving and I don't think she watches Every episode, Jason.

[B]

She 100 watches every. Both her.

[A]

And she's been listening to us.

[B]

Watches. Listens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's like saying she doesn't watch every game. No, she watches every game.

[A]

She watches everything. No, it's way different.

[B]

You're so ridiculous, dude.

[A]

Yeah, that's an awesome quote by Mama.

[B]

Yeah. Shout out to Mom. Shout out to. And shout out to the Kingdom. You know, I, I think after watching it all and, and seeing, you know, even though it ended absolutely miserable for me last year, it was a special year. It was a. An eventful year, and there was a lot of ups And a lot of things that happened throughout that year and throughout that documentary that, you know, made you feel good, you know, made. And I. I think everybody should go and check that thing out and watch every episode but the last.

[A]

Well done. Well done. Yeah. I mean, listen, I know firsthand what it's like to have a documentary year that you lose a Super bowl. And neither of the documentaries are being made to try and capture that. I guess, like, it was more. They start from the beginning of the season and that just ends up being what the case was. And. Yeah, yeah, it's a documentary.

[B]

Shows a lot about the Chiefs history. It shows a lot about Coach Reed's history and a lot of the players background, and it shows. It definitely, you know, shines some light on what this organization has been to the city and to the NFL with the Hunt family has been to the NFL. So I think it's a beautiful documentary and I think ESPN and Disney, I should say, have something special that everybody can go check out.

[A]

Wonderful. Well, we also. We also turned some dudes into Swifties, which, yeah, we got. We got a lot of people bonus, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, 100%. I had a few. I had a few players and. And coaches that came across it and gave Tay nothing but praise. I think they. I think a lot of people saw her from a different perspective. It was just like mom said, it was very genuine and it came off so just real. And especially a lot of the stuff that meant so much to her that's happened throughout her life and especially this past, like, year has. Has kind of unfolded in her direction. And it was really. It was really cool to see a lot of. A lot of the. The guys in the. In the building and around the city react the way they did.

[A]

I. I heard a bunch of comments even specifically about. Because, you know, obviously navigating social media in today's age as, like, a current player is like, is. Is something that takes some getting used to. And I thought her answer of how she navigates the noise was just like, so unbelievably well said. And I had multiple people reach out about it, like, man, she just, like, that is such an incredible way to think about how to navigate that and not think of yourself like you're the center of some ecosystem and, like, it's not the way it really works. And it just was such a well stated thing. There's also some really good comments, like this one from Life of Patrol 6. I'm going through the comment section on YouTube and it must be the most positive place on the Internet right now. This one really got me. And I read this comment as well from Dread 70. Got some cool shades on, driving in probably a truck. I don't know what he's in there. But full disclosure, I was a bit annoyed. The spot that this sports podcast is going to have a pop singer on, I was going to skip it. I have never been more. I've never been this engrossed in anything for two hours in my entire life. Friends, is it crazy for a 54 year old dude to be googling what is a Swifty? And how can I become one? I laughed. I got angry at her not owning her own music. And I got choked up seeing two people genuinely in love when all we heard all season is this relationship isn't real, it's a marketing scheme, et cetera, et cetera. Gave me a feeling I didn't, did not know I could have. I've always thought the Kelsey brothers were just dudes with dope jobs. Like they could chug beers and they, they could chug beers with you if you met them. They don't act like famous people. Taylor seems the same. This showed all of their human sides and I loved every minute of it. I thought that was a beautiful statement. And yes, we will chug beers with you if you have them. I'm all in for that.

[B]

You. You hand me beer, I'll chug it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

S dreed.

[A]

So all in on that guy. That was very well stated.

[B]

No, like we said, she came off just as genuine as she really is, man. And I think it was, it was cool to see the world react to it knowing that they hadn't seen her in that kind of, you know, light before. Yeah, I, I got nothing. That's why I love her.

[A]

There is some other things. We've also been invited to almost every zoo and aquarium in America. That's right.

[B]

That they must not have heard what I said. I don't want to go to the zoo. Although I will not that I won't. I don't want to go to the zoo and meet the otters. And no, I want to just be the captivity.

[A]

The captivity otters. You want to meet the wild?

[B]

I want to meet. I want to meet one in the wild.

[A]

Nice, nice, nice.

[B]

That comes swimming over to me or needs help somehow and screams or screeches for me to help it. Oh, two rescue daughters. That's, that's halfway there.

[C]

Yeah, they're rescued. You could, you could spring them free of the zoo.

[A]

Get him out of there.

[B]

Come here a little bit.

[A]

Yeah. Smuggle them out.

[B]

Come with me.

[C]

You're not seeing the full plan here, Travis. You smuggle them out of the zoo and then you put him in the. It's like. It's a Free Willy situation. Free Willy situation.

[B]

Otters stolen disappear from the Kansas City Zoo.

[A]

They think they're rescuing them. No, we're gonna rescue them from them. From the rescuers.

[C]

Yeah, set them free in those rescuers.

[A]

Kansas City. That's right.

[B]

You have some creeks. Got some creeks around.

[A]

Hey, otters would do great in the Ozarks, dude.

[B]

I love the Ozarks.

[A]

So top. What are the top five wild animals you wish you could domesticate? Bear, number one. I would love to domesticate a bear. I would have a bear.

[B]

What kind of bear, though? Kind of bear. What kind of bear?

[A]

I mean, I'm. I'm a big grizzly guy. I would take. I would take a black bear, too.

[B]

Big old dancing bear.

[A]

I would take a black bear, though. Like, if you could fully domesticate a bear, all right, that would be incredible.

[B]

That'd be pretty cool.

[A]

What's another one? Tiger.

[B]

I thought about it.

[A]

I just. We're not cat guys. We'll do cats.

[B]

Like, they're okay tigers because we were the Cleveland Heights tigers. Like, I'm like, if they're. I'm gonna put it on my list. It might not be. I'm gonna put it at five. I'm gonna put it at five.

[A]

All right. Just because number one bear, five tiger. What do. What's the number two animal will you domesticate? If we get domesticated, I'm gonna go wolf. Having a freaking, like, big ass dire wolf would be.

[B]

Do you already have a wolf, Jason?

[A]

These things ain't like a timber. Have you seen a Timberwolf? Have you seen how big them things are? No, they're badass animals. You just walk around like Jon Snow with your tiger with your dire wolves next to you. Be pretty badass. Bulls are. What are you talking about? Those are definitely domesticated. They're so domesticated, they don't exist.

[B]

I know what you're doing, Brandon.

[A]

Like, there's not. The. The. The stereotypical bull does not exist in the wild. It is only there because it is domesticated as a form of live stuff.

[C]

You know what I'm talking.

[A]

You know.

[C]

You know what I'm talking about. You know, those bulls are not. Those are not pets.

[A]

You're going, those are not pets. This is another. Not the videos.

[B]

Not the videos we send.

[C]

But those aren't friendly.

[A]

There's.

[B]

Those are pets.

[A]

What Else what are good?

[B]

Everyone's thinking, like, my entire feeds otters. And in reality it's just.

[A]

So we got. We got one bear, we got five.

[B]

Tigers, bulls putting their horns through people's faces.

[A]

That's a great. I mean, those are fun videos. Little cowboy Poker never hurt anybody.

[B]

Yeah, I never heard a single soul.

[A]

Well, watching the video doesn't.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Gorilla Chimpanzee.

[B]

Yeah, I'm down with. I'm down with Monkey Prime. Like the friends monkey. Like the friend friends monkey or like Ace Ventura monkey.

[A]

Yeah, monkey that doesn't fling poop or try and face off would be a great pet.

[B]

They're all kind of into that.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. This is if you could domesticate it. So we'll go 1 bear, 2. Some type of primate, 3.

[B]

I'm going otter, dude.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Otter would be fun. They seem like fun animals.

[B]

Yeah, Land and water. Like, are you kidding me?

[A]

Yeah, semi aquatic.

[B]

So we need one more. Give me one more dolphin. We gotta go aquatic.

[A]

I'm not going aquatic. That's you.

[B]

That's what I'm doing, dude.

[A]

Good point. We can bring SeaWorld back, right?

[B]

Let's do this. SeaWorld is a lot more than just Shamu and. And Namu or. Yeah, Shamu and nomu.

[A]

Nomu.

[B]

What the are you talking about?

[A]

What's nomu?

[B]

Dude, it's. Yeah, you got a deep dive, dude. Bro, I'm telling you. Orcas are like. That's. It goes otters. Orcas.

[A]

If it was healthy for the orca to domesticate it, it would be a pretty badass animal to have domesticated. Free Willy. Yeah. Yeah. Free Willy, man. Yeah. Let it live in the ocean. It comes back to you. Yeah.

[B]

Nice. Well, shout out to Casey Zoo. Shout out to top five domesticated animals.

[A]

Dude, this photo of you. This photo of you from the GQ shoot with the otter and his hands up is so good. It's just incredible. You kind of look like a. Like a. Like a person version of an otter. Like, you kind of got a little otterish to you.

[B]

The hair is definitely helping out.

[A]

We also had a viral TikTok audio. I think we all know that if there's one thing male sports fans want to see in their spaces is more of me on their screens. Or on their screens is more of me with a bunch of people commenting. Alona Mar, Livy, Dune Mina Kimes, even Kylie, Kelsey. Hey, Shout out, Kai. Not gonna lie, Sid. It's so good. I love this audio so much. I love all the women in Sports. Using this trend. Men. Get used to it. Suckers.

[B]

Suckers. Kylie's funny as man.

[A]

She is.

[B]

They're in charge of our collective sanity. I don't get it.

[A]

Yeah. What's that mean?

[C]

People were really concerned that Jake and I were in charge of this episode.

[A]

Why?

[C]

I don't know. There's a lot of doubters out there.

[A]

Brandon and Jake do a wonderful job each and every week, and they did not drop the baby. They nailed it. Well done, guys.

[C]

Didn't drop the baby. No, I didn't. I didn't even. Man, this is the longest I was ever trusted with a secret. The phone call I got from Travis scared the out of me.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's. I was terrified myself. I thought I was writing my death sentence talking to you.

[C]

Travis called me one day and gave me like a 30 second.

[A]

Hey, hey.

[C]

So she's gonna do it. Somebody will call you with details. Bye. And that was.

[A]

That was.

[B]

Also. I didn't talk to you. You don't even know.

[C]

Don't tell him.

[B]

And I'm like, oh, don't even.

[A]

This message will explode in 15 seconds.

[C]

And your phone is being tracked. They will know if you said something.

[B]

So.

[C]

I spent a lot of time lying to people. Jake didn't find out till we were in the car on the way to Travis's house.

[D]

I was just about to say Brandon trusted me for all of 48 hours. He was like, yeah, dude, I need your help setting up Travis's new camera in Kansas City. City. And then we got in the car and Brandon got a text by someone where I was like, oh, we're doing that this week.

[A]

Oh, she.

[C]

Oh, she doesn't work for Pat Mahomes.

[A]

And I'm like, yeah, I haven't lied to you.

[C]

Yeah, we're not talking to Pat today, buddy. Sorry.

[B]

He's like, set up the camera. I only know what to do. It comes.

[D]

I was like, why the do you need my help? He was like, clear your schedule. I need your help.

[C]

I do want to flag this. Jake is very difficult to get him to go places. When you don't explain what he's doing. He asks a lot of questions. Yeah, your ticket for Kansas City.

[B]

Get out of the house.

[A]

What are we going to do there?

[C]

Are we going to have dinner? And I'm like, just get in the plane, Jake.

[A]

Maybe we did have great asking questions.

[C]

Like, this is.

[A]

I can't.

[C]

I have no time for questions with you. Just get in.

[A]

You had to do the town with them.

[C]

Honestly, I gotta.

[A]

We're gonna Go someplace. We're gonna beat some dudes up. I need you to not ask questions.

[C]

We're gonna talk to a very nice lady. And then we were. Yeah, okay.

[A]

I need you to not ask questions.

[C]

No questions.

[B]

You're gonna sign some forms.

[C]

Don't worry about it.

[A]

The world also got to see Jets Jake in fully stressed out glory. Jake, how did your. Was. This. Was your. I was a little concerned watching these videos myself. Is your heart capable of handling this type of, like, stress? Like, what is the. The.

[D]

Yeah, I mean, I got it fixed to be able to handle this kind of stress.

[A]

Got it, got it.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Look at the little hands. Sure. Yeah.

[D]

I didn't realize Emily was just filming me all day. I would have tried to remain a little calmer.

[A]

So. Good. Just hold on.

[B]

Not now. Stop, stop, please stop.

[C]

The man has two laptops out.

[A]

We were just.

[D]

It felt, to everyone's point, like it felt kind of ridiculous that we were being trusted with this responsibility. And I was for sure, very much in do not this up mode. Do not drop the baby with Taylor's album announcement, which was a very, like, very big deal thing that I did not. Yeah, I was yelling at my own computer. I just. I'm so glad everything worked out great.

[A]

It is very funny. And honestly, it's like shout out to Tay for really coming on the show and deciding to do this with us, because, like, this is something that usually happens meticulously on, like, tonight shows and, like, programs that have, like, hundreds of people, like, working and operating them. She decided to come on.

[B]

The off season of New Heights.

[A]

A bunch of, like, that don't know what the hell we're doing. We've never done or handled anything to this degree. No.

[C]

So, yeah, no Shout out to Taylor. Taylor's team took good care of me, so they. They made sure I didn't freak out halfway through. It was good.

[B]

It was good.

[C]

My only thing to add is, like, I look a lot like Jake stressing before we do things, but I'm glad nobody films me. The. The moment where I relaxed was when I. I asked her before we recorded, like, oh, hey, at the end we have, like, a section where, like, we're gonna, like, whatever question you have to ask, like, go for it. And she was like, oh, I gotta ask Jason about that wax. And I was like, oh, we're golden.

[A]

We're good.

[C]

Get her on camera right now.

[A]

She gets the vibe. She understands exactly what the show is.

[C]

Nails, go. So I. That's when I finally relaxed.

[A]

Well, yeah. Thank you to everyone that tuned in. It was easily our most successful show of all time. And I thank everybody. We have appreciated your comments. We appreciate how much you enjoyed the episode. Shout out to Taylor for coming on the New Heights podcast. But I guess now we talk about sports because this is a sports podcast. I don't.

[B]

I think that that wraps up new news, new.

[A]

Alrighty.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Are we allowed to play this? I don't know.

[C]

She sent it to me. I don't care. Shouldn't have sent me a gift that plays music. We're gonna get to meet her legal team so soon. I can't wait.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Can't wait.

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[B]

What he said.

[A]

That is the recap of the Taylor Swift episode. Let's get to some bold topics. Both topics brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Travis, we got football to talk about. It's back, baby. It's officially fall. Labor Day is Monday and then we're done with the summer. We're on to gridiron football. That's right. We're back. The Eagles are back. The Chiefs are back. Whoever you root for is back. Whoever you hate is back you. I mean, that's what's great about football. You get to hate people, you get to love people, you get to root.

[B]

Against all, you get all the emotions.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Teams you don't give a fuck about.

[A]

So let's start with a team that a lot of people that tune into this podcast give a major about, and that's the Chiefs preseason. Travis, you're fresh, fresh out of St. Joe's you're back in Kansas City. We are two weeks before the opening game of the NFL for the Chiefs in Brazil. What are your thoughts on the Chiefs preseason to date?

[B]

Man, it was fun out there in St. Joe and I think we, you know, the first two games we, we didn't show a great, great showing in terms of the starters all the way to the, to the fourth quarter and everybody that finished the game. And I think that that last game was a little bit better, man, but the Bears, the Bears figured it out at the end, but you know, at the end of the day it's all about, you know, that chemistry, that mold, that culture that you're setting in preseason during, during camp, during, you know, the time that you get back from camp. Getting ready for the last couple preseason games and we still got a lot of work to do these next two weeks. Getting ready for the Chargers down in, down in Brazil, man. What I'm, which I'm super pumped about, by the time this episode comes out, I think we'll have the 53 man roster set and everything. But right now it's still kind of in question with where we're at right now. But I, I'm, I couldn't be happier with, you know, how the, the tight end position is, how the offense is, is, is rolling right now. All the excitement. Patty Mahomes was out there the other night against the Bears having a grand old time, smiling, laughing, making plays. And, and we got to see what that offense kind of looks like for that first, that really, that first quarter. And it's just, it's an exciting time, man. I know I trust Brett Veach and Coach Reed and our scouting department to get the right guys on this team and to get the right guys if we, if we don't have them right now. And it's, it's going to be a fun, fun year, man. I think the Chargers are a huge team, are a great team and, and, and, and as everybody, everybody going into the uh, into that first week is healthy and uh, we're going to get Everybody's best shot as usual. And I'm just, and I'm, I'm fired up for it, brother.

[A]

Dude. The Broncos had one of the best defenses in the NFL last year. They're returning Bo Nicks going into his second year. The Chargers have been revamped. They look great. The Raiders, Chip Kelly, fast pace offense. They got Pete Carroll, one of the most successful head coaches of. Think about the head coaches in your division. Pete Carroll, Harbaugh, freaking Andy Reid.

[B]

We got some hall of Famers, man. And freaking Sean Payton.

[A]

I mean, it's an insane conference when you just think about the head coaches that are involved of leading these teams. It is potentially the deepest AFC west has been in a lot.

[B]

That's what you love, man. I love competition, brother. I'm here for it. I think, you know, last year it was a competitive division and this year you're going to see a lot of the same. A lot of teams are making moves. I'm interested to see what Geno looks like in, in, in Vegas. I'm interested to see, you know, how that the Chargers team looks one more year under Harbaugh where that culture is embedded a little bit more. And obviously Sean Payton has done nothing but great things since he's been in the league, let alone in Denver. And it's just, you know, a lot of those young guys are going to keep making strides and it's a huge test to, to, you know, what we have in Kansas City and how we do things to keep trying to find ways to win and stay on top of this, this division, man.

[A]

Yeah, it's hard. Was there a renewed sense of, hey, we want to improve markedly or do you think that. I mean, I guess what I'm trying to ask is like having lost a Super bowl, knowing that you guys need to get better to win this year. Like, it's just a different dynamic.

[B]

I feel we won the most games that we, that we have since I've been here in the regular season. It was, it was, it was far from, you know, a disappointing year in the, in terms of like, what the expectations were. Obviously we lost the super bowl in an ugly fashion, but it was still a very good team last year. Yeah, I think we got a lot of those pieces back, which makes us feel comfortable that we can do what we do and, and take it up a notch. Obviously you got to. There's things that you got to get better at. There's things that you look back at last year and then I reevaluate myself every single day, every single Game Like. Like looking at. At the entire work of things last year. That's why I. I chose a different, you know, preparation and a different route in terms of prepping for the season. I think everybody, you know, has to have that. And to be honest, that's what Coach Reed is unbelievable at. He's unbelievable at challenging men in the building to be able to. To up one up themselves and. And become better at at all aspects of life, let alone the football field. But definitely when we're in that building, you know, I think he does a great job of challenging everybody to, you know, find that. That. That next level that you gotta unlock.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, he's the best in the business, and he has been for a long time. Andy's the man. Let's talk about the new pieces you brought up. You guys got new pieces, and there's some exciting ones. We got, oh, yeah. Rashid Rice coming back. He might be suspended for a little bit, but he will be back this year. Xavier Worthy has another year under his belt.

[B]

She looks great. Xavier Worthy looks great.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

We got Checko's back and healthy. Pop is back healthy, running around. Kareem gets an off season and a training camp under Andy Reid and is flying around looking just as good, if not better than last year.

[A]

But I want to talk about specifically, you lose one big piece, you lose Joe Tune.

[B]

Big tune, which. It was awesome to see him on the field against the Bears. Man, I fucking love Toon.

[A]

We have new pieces coming in this year. Josh Simmons. We talked about how big of a fan I am of this kid coming out of Ohio State. If that knee is healthy, which Kingsley slides into guard. How have those two played throughout training camp? They look pretty good. In that last preseason game. Simmons definitely looks like he's holding it out on the edge. Is this a big step with those new pieces for the Kansas City offensive line?

[B]

I got all the confidence in the world in this offensive line. Man. These guys, they're. They're in sync. And that's what the. That's what getting, you know, the. The preseason and training camp is to get these guys in sync. Big Creed is up there, another year under his belt as a. As a leader. Trey Smith, another leader that. That is just, you know, got paid and is worth every single penny, if not more, man. Yeah, there's a lot of confidence and a lot of. A lot of games played, a lot of wins underneath a lot of these guys, and even adding Juwan Taylor. But you had a guy like Josh Simmons in there who's one of the most athletic offensive linemen I've ever seen in my life. Just in terms of pound for pounds strength and just how explosive he can be. And he sees the field well. He's a smart player and I think all of this is going to help us out. And then Kingsley moving into guard, I think is going to fit him. I can't say is going to fit him. He's been looking great all, all camp and I think going into the season he's gonna, he's gonna be able to play a lot more free, a lot more physical. And just that second year under your belt, you feel more confident, you feel more, you know, you got that reassurance of how you need to go about things and how you're, how you're going to have to play this game in this offense. And I got all the faith in this offensive line, man.

[A]

There's also the simple fact that guard is easier than tackle. Like, let's face it, left tackle is one of the hardest positions to play in football. And the fact that he was even trying to do that, if he can bend and play inside a, like a tighter phone booth style with good feet, he should be able to translate to guard just fine, which he is. I'm not trying to throw shade any which way. The left tackle position was an issue for the Chiefs and you saw it affect Pat in multiple ways. He was anti in the pocket and when that was solidified, when Joe Tooney slid out there, the offense started functioning again and they struggled again with it in the Super Bowl. If Josh Simmons stays healthy and he can protect Pat's blindside and they can function from the pocket better and Pat feels more comfortable, it is going to directly lead to a better Kansas City offense. That's the reality of it. I think it's a big freaking move. If both these guys can play the way they have in the preseason and continue to develop a chemistry together and lock down that left side, it is going to make Pat Mahomes play so much better. And that's encouraging if I'm a Chiefs fan.

[B]

Yeah. And obviously we, we got, we got beat on all four phases or all three phases, I would say, in the Super Bowl, I think there's no question. But it was, it was a whole lot more than just our offensive line situation.

[A]

Well, yeah, I'm excited about Josh Simmons. I'm excited about Kingsley at left guard. I think he's going to do much better inside. I think that the right side picked right up where it left off. Let's show this freaking Highlight by Trey Smith. I mean, I just look at him finding work there, and then he's not done. He's still fucking blocking. And this is a preseason game. Trey only knows one speed. He's been one of my favorite players to watch since he entered the NFL. I just think he plays the game the right way. He's an enforcer, great teammate. This made me so excited when I saw it happen, because I. I just love guys that play the game this way.

[B]

That's like, he's helping the center.

[A]

He helps the left, the right tackle, and then he catches the guy beating the left tackle late, trying to make it play. I mean, it's just. This is such a great.

[B]

This is literally the. The bull that. That I send you on Instagram. The bull videos, dude.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

One dude and then another dude.

[A]

Trey Smith is just a domesticated bull. Is that what we're saying right now?

[B]

No, they are not domesticated.

[A]

That's right. That's right. All right, all right. Well, either way, Trey Smith is still Trey Smith. Pacheco is still Pacheco. Fully back, all gas, no brakes.

[B]

Oh, my gosh, man. I was in tears once I found out he was okay. I was in tears dying at laughing at this. Like, just.

[A]

Oh, God damn, dude. I didn't see.

[B]

You got to go down, dude. I'm. Anytime I get hit on the sideline like that, I am falling down immediately. I'm going head first into the concrete wall.

[A]

That's how you break your neck. That's like, the first thing they tell you in hockey is, like, if you're going into the boards, do not go into the boards with your head down. That's a great way to break. Like, check this out, dude.

[B]

My God, that is. He's trying to keep his balance, and he just couldn't, man. That's too funny. He's all good, though, ladies and gentlemen. He's all good. And whenever I go to the sideline like that and I get smoked, I'm. Because the chains, the photographers.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

There's so many people on the sideline, they're not as. Add. Their. Their awareness level is low.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. It's like, bro, just go down. Just go down. You're gonna save yourself a headache sometimes.

[A]

And.

[B]

But pop's all good, so we're all good, baby. We also got. It says new wide receiver, but Tyquan Thornton has been on the team since last year. But, man, it is. It is good to have my guy, man. High energy. Fast as all get out so we got another deep ball threat here in Kansas City, and Pat found him this past week against Chicago, man. And I think that's just a little glimpse of what you're going to see out of him this year.

[A]

And then we've also, we've been giving Josh Simmons a lot of love, probably too much love for a rookie, if I'm being honest. Like, you still got to go out.

[B]

There and no, he's proven he's going to have his rookie love. It is what it is.

[A]

I like the way he bends and I like how athletic he is, so I'm going to state it, but show him some love. The other person that I want to shout out is Ashton Jalotti. Like, first of all, the clip of him and Josh Simmons getting into it. I like that. I like when dudes are kind of competitive and coming with like a fieriness to it. I thought it was the appropriate amount through a couple hands getting in people's faces. You know, he kind of got each other.

[B]

No, nobody's backing down.

[A]

Yeah. And then I saw, I think maybe the next day or two practices later, they showed like one of the one on one clips on Twitter and Ashton got him. Like, and I think, I think that Josh is a very good pass protector and he caught him leaning, got his hands and got right around the edge. And then there are a bunch of clips in the last game where the motor is just very apparent. And to me, half of being like, great on defense, especially defensive line, is just like never stopping. Like, if you play with relentlessness, I mean, nobody blocked him right there. I think Jets, Jets. Jake might have been able to make that tackle.

[B]

Listen, but he, he, he 100% has that, though. He 100% has exactly what you're talking about. This guy has a motor, man. When you where he just.

[A]

You just keep going, keep going, keep going. It makes such a difference whether it's in pursuit. You get a lot of sacks that way. Like, look at these. He's fighting through the left tackle. He's making.

[B]

Dude, he's gonna play his gap in the run game and he's gonna get to. He's gonna, he's gonna get to the quarterback eventually. And the thing is, when guys, when guys play with motors like this, that does something to the quarterback. The quarterback's watching that on film all day and he's just thinking in his mind, he's coming. I know he's coming. If he isn't here initially, I know it's happening. I know it. I know he's on the way and that. And a guy like this is. I think I saw him flying around on special teams and back around.

[A]

He's fighting through. He's fighting through.

[B]

Yeah, he's got a good punch. He plays his gaps very well. He's technically sound. I got a lot of love for him, man.

[A]

If you have 11 guys playing with relentless effort and hustling to the ball, that is a great. That is a very hard thing to function with on offense. And I just saw that right away was apparent to me watching them and don't lose that, brother. I mean, that is something. And it's noticeable by an office alignment too. Like you. You want to play the guy that picks and chooses and every once in a while when he knows he's not going to make a play, he's just kind of standing there get getting his energy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I want that guy all day. I don't want the Aaron Donald. That is like fighting tooth and nail to get to the quarterback. I don't want that at all.

[B]

Just get to the ball, man. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Chiefs offense through the first quarter of the preseason final against the Bears. 12 first downs, no penalties, 193 net yards, 10 points scored. Patrick Mahomes averaged over 11 yards per passing attempt, which is huge. There's been a lot of topics being brought up about Mahomes not in the Chiefs often struggling to make plays down the field. We saw some of that this preseason. Hopefully that can catch back up for the Chiefs. Yeah, I don't know. Do you want to add anything else with.

[B]

No. It's a fun offense when Pat's out there throwing the ball all over the field, 80 yards downfield, making plays in tight windows in the, in the red zone, running around, throwing touchdowns. You know what I mean? Extending plays, having fun. That when we're running the ball well and the offensive line can get their mojo going. Getting after guys in the, in the, in the ground game, it's just, it's such a well powered offense and coach Reed knows how to dial this thing up and you know, I'm just, I'm fired up to show, show the, the entire league what we've been working on all preseason, man.

[A]

Well, speaking of one of the best offenses in the NFL, uh, Papa Kelsey thinks that this is going to be one of the best seasons for Travis Kelsey. I don't know if you saw this quote from Papa from Pops on the red carpet. I think you're going to see one of the best seasons Travis has ever had. He's in incredible. Travis is in incredible shape. Travis is ready to go, and I'm excited about that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Big Ed in particular referenced the work you've been putting down in and Boca. So, yeah, Papa Kels is calling it now. Big year for the big yeti. I mean, human exclamation point. Sorry. It.

[B]

Shout out to Big Papa Kelso, man.

[A]

Hey, look, go ahead.

[B]

I got you. I'm fixing for a hell of a season two in terms of shape. I don't want anybody to think that. I don't want anybody to get that out of context. I'm. I know I'm always. I'm always in the best shape that I could possibly be in. I think the difference this year from last year and even the year before that, I think is just the attention to. To the. The fundamentals that I'm. That I'm honing in on. I think I was down in Boca working with Tony Villani and working on a lot of running strides, working on explosive movements, working on back end speed acceleration. I was working on a lot of things that will translate to how I move on the football field. And that's where I think everyone is seeing the difference, is that I'm being more precise with my. My fundamentals. I'm being more precise with my movements, which is making me seem and feel more agile and more. More explosive. So I think that's one of the biggest things is getting down there. I think Tony does a great job with. With helping guys with form and helping guys understand and train that form in a way that's that you really see the results over the. The course of a month to three months training with them.

[A]

I think a lot of the times in an off season, you're always trying to train and do things to improve on areas of weakness from the season before. And you're trying to train in a way that you're going to be better the following season. And something that happens as you get older is your body changes and you start to have to realize like, hey, I can't do this kind of training or I should start doing more of this because I need to do more of X, Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And for me and for every player you go through this and you've been in the NFL for a very long time, highly successful. And I think that going and doing this training is you trying to capitalize and move and do things more efficiently and better than you either did them last year or you're trying to hold on to that. Does this make sense like 100? No.

[B]

That's what I I went down there after watching and feeling is how I got off the ball, how I was in and out of breaks, how what my top end speed was. And I went to Tony, I was like, I need to get my. Get off off the ball a lot more explosive and I need to get my top end speed back to. Back to, you know, where guys can respect me going past them. I think that's going to help me out. And then on top of that, just working the fundamentals and, and in terms of stride and then just going through his regimen on how to. How to get that out of the guys that are in the building with him. So it was 100% a focus on that. Knowing that over the past two years, I've come to an understanding that that's what I need to focus on.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I think. And as I'm getting older, you learn and you start to feel things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, get away or you start to feel things kind of, kind of go down and feeling that after last year, I was like, man, if I just train these things and I. And I. And I get that back a little bit more than what I had last year, I think I can, I can play this game at an even higher level.

[A]

And I'll give you like a prime example from my career. Like, we were in Chip Kelly's offense for three years, where really what magnified me as a great player in that offense was my speed, explosion and acceleration. And that's what I trained heavily in the off season and in the no huddle, you don't have to worry as much about the power of the game because the defense is more fatigued and the no huddle takes care of a lot of that aspect. The first year we went back to a huddle offense with Doug Peterson, it was apparent, like, oh, no, I need to, like, work on my technique in stopping a bull rush more. I need to work on. Off that off season, I like, reaffirmed strength in squatting heavier and doing things in a different way because the system that I was in mandated that more. You know what I mean? And I struggled with certain things the year before. So it's like, of course I'm going to work on those things a little bit harder in that off season. I feel like as you get older, you lose more of the twitchiness and the quick stuff. So you have to do more to retain that stuff.

[B]

Retaining.

[A]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, when you're younger, you can just walk on the. I could just walk out on the football field. Didn't even need to warm up and I can go run full speed right now. As you get older, it's like, oh, I should probably be doing soft tissue stuff. I can't just go out there and do this. And that's something that every player, as you go off in your career, is having to go into those fields more and more. And more. So, yeah, 100% hear you.

[B]

All right, Jason, let's talk about your preseason. And you're still very close to the Eagles, so we'll tie you into a lot of what the Eagles have going on. How did you. How did you spend your preseason?

[A]

I've been to a few practices. I. I always like to go back and go to camp. It.

[B]

You'll find myself just loves football, man. This guy just loves some ball.

[A]

You'll see it. You'll see it when you do eventually retire. You miss being in camp. You miss. You miss being around the guys. You miss talking football. I was with Joe Thomas this off season. He said it really well. Like, you build up this wealth of knowledge your whole career, and then all of a sudden it stops. And there's not, like an outlet to talk about all these things. And going back to camp gets you talking about football again. Gets me around Stout, gets me around the offensive line, gets me around Nick Sirianni, and I get to talk about something that, you know, I built an, like, over a decade's worth of experience and knowledge of. And I like to. It's you. You. It's hard to not do that. So I really enjoy. I'm very thankful for the Eagles for letting me go back and get that.

[B]

Oh, yeah, well, they'd be silly not to let a perennial all star, future hall of Famer not come back into the building and. And spit some wisdom, man. Everyone saw you spent a couple of days at Eagles camp with big Stout, man. How's our. How's our guy, Coach Stoutland doing, man?

[A]

I mean, he's the same old guy. Can't fall asleep. Like, relentless energy. You want to talk about. We just talked about Ashton Jalates, like, relentlessness on a defensive line.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I feel the same way about coaches. And that's like, the one thing that has always stood out to me about Stout is like, he just is relentless. He's never going to stop coaching you. He's never going to let you fall asleep in the meeting. He's always. It's like, so repetitive. He doesn't get bored. Bored of it. He loves doing it. And he's passionate and intense about it.

[B]

Were you ever asleep in the meetings kind of guy did you ever do?

[A]

I. I'm not gonna say it's never happened, but it was really hard for me to fall asleep in meetings. I'll be on my phone sometimes if we're going over something I've been over a million times. I might doze off into that, but.

[B]

I was pretty locked in.

[A]

I was pretty locked in.

[B]

You catch me in class. I am snoring. You get. You get me in a football meeting, though. I am. I'm right here with you, coach. And part of talking some ball baby.

[A]

Center has to be dialed in, you know, I mean, they're in charge of a lot of the calls, in charge of setting everything up. So it's a position that you can't really afford to be disinterested in the meeting.

[B]

But, yeah, I just. I just love hearing coach Reed and some of these coaches talk about their positions.

[A]

I do miss coach talk. That's one thing I miss in retirement is listening to a coach install plays, motivate you for a day. Like, I miss Jeff Statlin's motive. We should have a. We should have a weekly segment on new heights coach talk and just have, like, a video play of, like, a prominent coach. Fire us the up for the week. Because that one.

[B]

Those are my favorite parts. Those are my favorite parts of, like, hard knocks of these. Like, you get a coach in there, start telling guys to stop being soft. Man, that's some of my favorite.

[A]

I need that stuff. I need that I'm soft as. Without coaches telling me to do that. But I, you know, listen, the offensive line is in great shape. We got Jordan. That's one of the things that's fun about for me going back is watching guys that I was there with now in elevated roles and being older guys like Jordan Malotta's developed into such, like, a great personality and leader in that building and on that team. Landon Dickerson continues to develop into that role. Cam Juergens in the second year, Tyler Steen had a great camp. He's a guy that's always had the physical attributes to play and play well at guard, and you've just been waiting for it to click on a more consistent basis. He did that this year against Jalen Carter, one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL on a weekly basis. And then my highlight of camp, the highlight of me being there, joint practice with the Cleveland Browns. Dude, I got to watch in practice. Lane Johnson and Miles Garrett go up against. I got to watch two of the best of this decade Just casually doing one on ones and doing team drills.

[B]

Two of the best offensive lines in the National Football League, you know, deal with the other side of the ball. Like, yeah, Bonio.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like everybody. Like, you had some specimens out there. Just a big old. Yeah. A bunch of guys drinking beer, drinking gas.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Landon. Landon was. So when we went up to Cleveland, Wyatt Teller and those guys had beer waiting after practice. So I think Landon was returning the favor. Even though his knee was hurt, he was unable to be out there.

[B]

Yeah, it was drinking beers all practice.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, listen, there's one way to rehab a knee issue. It's to drink beers. I think we all know that.

[B]

Everybody knows that garage beers help you, but no, I mean, it'll give you life.

[A]

There was a moment in that I was. I'm like, sitting here and Miles is usually over on the left side, right. He's not over on the right side. And we line up for one on ones.

[B]

And Miles, my offensive offense.

[A]

I'm sorry, our. I always speak from the offensive perspective.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I go out there for one on ones and I see Miles Garrett lines up on the right side, and in my head I'm like, dude, I'm about to watch, like, these two dudes go at it. This is insane that this is happening right now. And Lane tried this tricky little set that he's been working on and got beat clean inside.

[B]

See, that's the thing.

[A]

But that is also strategy by Lane to whip this out in a one on one.

[B]

I'm like, well, brother, are you kidding.

[A]

That he's like, you whip it out right there.

[B]

Joint practice out on Sunday.

[A]

I'm gonna fully test this out right now.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, that's a clear vet right there. But that's the thing about A lot of people don't realize in these. Not even just the joint practices, one on ones in general.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Guys are testing things out. So you don't necessarily get your full. Like, oh, he beat him. He's better than him. Like, no. Some guys are working specific techniques. You know what I mean? At the end of the day. Yeah, that's the goal. I want to beat this guy in one on one. That's the. That's the. That's where you. The love of football is, like, you get to beat a guy that the guy that chooses, you band a man across from you. You know what I mean? Like, that's the. That's the love of it. But at the same time, like, don't get wrapped up in this guy's, you know, A better player than the, the guy that he just be. Just because you know, you saw a one on one rep. At the end of the day there's. The field is, is based off of 11 one on one reps. But what you really need to focus on is how they work together as a team. But obviously when you get a guy like Lane Johnson and Miles Garrett going one on one, man, that's true. I think that's a fun action.

[A]

I think Miles in, in he wanted to go see what it felt like to go up against Lane because he had been on the left side a couple years ago.

[B]

That's why you see him go to that side. Hell yeah.

[A]

And watching that, it was a lot during the practice and watching them, those two go at it, I was just like, I don't know man, I, I haven't been that giddy about something at like a practice in a long time. And it was just so cool to witness that take place, to be honest with you. I was like, man, I'm really lucky to watch these two dudes freaking do this right now. Like, this is fucking awesome. And then there's also, you know, I still got Saquon Barkley, they still got Jalen Hurts, they still got AJ Brown, they still got Slim Reaper. Dallas Goddard shook somebody so bad in like a tag off drill. I mean I just.

[B]

Sneaky, elusive.

[A]

I say sneaky because he's six.

[B]

He's 662-50-260. Sneaky, elusive.

[A]

I agree 100%. Yeah. And then watching everything that Vick and I just have so much respect for what he did last year with that defense and how he rebuilt that thing, all those coaches on that side, obviously the players still had to go out there and play. But I think between Vic and Clint Hurd on the defensive line and Bobby King is a linebacker, they are all, they coach their positions so well. They can be so multiple. The whip zero out of nowhere. They'll play a six man front, then play max like a four man rush and play coverage behind it. They'll play a five man front, they'll play a four man front. They do, they do it all and they somehow get it well coached to the point that everybody's dialed in and knows what their assignment is. And that is something that is not easy to do. So just, it's, it's really fun to see in practice the offense have to rep all of these different things and know that when the game comes they're going to have seen all of these scenarios already. And I think it really Helps the offense be ready for when those things.

[B]

Come up in the game, you know, man, practice makes perfect, man. You and you guys got great coaches, great players, all coming back, man. But that's just like we got, man, you guys got a tough division out there. And D.C. d.C. Is Giants D Line.

[A]

Carter and freaking Dexter Lawrence. Obviously the Cowboys, you know, obviously new head coach. Defense going back to Matt Eberfluss, back to when he was with Dallas. I think that's what it's probably going to feel like. He's a little Rod Marinelli disciple. Four down. They're going to move the front a lot. I bet. I'm excited to see how they transition to that for the first game of the year. And then Washington, I mean, they just reset. I mean, I was hoping they weren't going to get Washington. Josh, way to get McLaren signed. That's a big one.

[B]

Electric, electric skill players on top of veteran team. You got Bobby Wagner, you got Zach Ertz, you got, you know, two of my favorite teammates of all time and in Andrew Wiley and Nick Allegretti. And I mean, just so many more guys on that team that are. That are just, you know, I think you're going to take that team to the next level, man. And they were, they were fun to watch last year, man.

[A]

They were flying over. Tough team to beat.

[B]

I know we. We got. I mean, we got a Monday night, man, and that's going to be a fucking. It's going to be cool to see in person, man.

[A]

They were beating the brakes off of the Cincinnati Bengals in the preseason game, which Cincinnati's defense, we'll see how they do, but it's also just a preseason game. Yeah, they added Laramie Tunzel, which I think they're investing in everything they can do to capitalize on this quarterback while he's on this rookie contract, which was why I was so surprised that it took so long to get Terry signed. It's like, listen, guys, you got a small window here. While Jaden is cheap, like, you need to strike now. And they finally shored that up. That's a big part of their offense and their ability to stretch the field vertically. Then they have all the RPOs and the reads and the quick screens underneath that really get freed up. So it's a. It's a fun offense to watch. It's a fun team to watch and everything. Being a second year in all of those systems, you'd think that they'd be far improved. So I'm looking forward to the NFC east this year. I Still think it's Philadelphia's division. I think that they're the most talented team.

[B]

No doubt.

[A]

And, yeah, man, I was thoroughly enjoyed going to camp.

[B]

Oh, let's get into some other stuff that you had going on in the preseason. Man. You can see this T shirt I got going on. You had the debut of Brumate 2. Chuck Liddell.

[A]

Dude. How about that? I got knocked out by Chuck Liddell. Not many people can say that.

[B]

Dude. How cool was that meeting Chuck?

[A]

It was incredible meeting him, but it was terrifying doing this scene with him. Like, I'm, like, looking at him, I'm like, dude, you could just see that this dude is, like, he could knock me out in a second. Like, this dude is a badass who lived it, you know? Like, you can see it just in his eyes. Like, dude, I am, like, in this right now. I.

[B]

This could go sideways eye to eye, as if you were gonna fight him. That's funny as.

[A]

But, yeah, that. It was a. It was a very fun moment, not only to film that with Chuck, but, yeah, we've done some great things at Garage Beer and all. The whole team that embraces these stupid ideas to just have fun, embrace some nostalgia and. Yeah, just. I don't know, do things in a creative, different way than everybody else is. Doing them is just a blast. So shout out to everybody. Jordan Phoenix. I don't. There's too many people to name.

[B]

Shout out to Honey Bobo.

[A]

Honey Bobo. That's right. Bo Allen has been a. A big theme. I think we're just going to try and kill him off in every single thing we do now. Like, he's the Kenny. Like, he just dies and everything. I don't know. We're figuring it out.

[B]

Hilarious.

[A]

Anyways, we've. We've had some fun. It's been a good off season, but I'm ready for football to get ramped up. Eagles versus Cowboys to start the NFL season. The banner will come down, and I mean, in front of. It's just like, whoever schedules this stuff, Roger, great job. That is a great scheduled home opener for the Philadelphia fan base.

[B]

I can't. I mean, it is the. One of the biggest rivalries in. In the National Football League, if not the biggest. And it's. It's. You know, they just came out with America's Team. The documentary of the Cowboys in their heyday. Even though there's a lot of controversy around what's going on right now with the Cowboys. Yeah, that's never an indication of what's actually going on. Yeah. But at the Same time.

[A]

It's.

[B]

What's going on right now in the media with Jerry Jones is. It's never an indication of what's actually going on in that building.

[A]

Well, listen, since you. Since you brought it up, it is on the topic, for those of you who have been living under a rock. Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons, their star player on the defensive line, have been. I don't know. They've been at it, man. Micah wants to get paid. And things have culminated into not the best scenario. Jerry Jones claims Micah Parsons agent spike negotiations told us to stick it up our ass. Harsh words. Which his agent has told. Which his agents told multiple reports.

[B]

Is there a video of Jerry Jones saying he told us to stick it up our ass?

[A]

I don't know, but apparently there is.

[B]

I gotta hear Jerry Jones say that.

[A]

Micah's agent is told multiple outlets these claims are false. He did not say that. It just. This whole situation, I just, like. It feels so weird to me, you know? I don't know. I get that, you know, you might not want to pay a guy what he's owed.

[B]

I mean, he's one of the best defensive players in the league, actually.

[A]

I don't get that. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe.

[B]

I don't know what there is. I don't know what the controversy is. You would think that one of the team's best players would get the, you know, the backing of the organization. Man, I. I only know one way. I've seen it happen here in Kansas City with a lot of our players, and I feel like that. That negotiation was always understood that, you know, I mean, the team wants you there if you're. If you've worked your ass off and you've done it in a way that has, you know, represented the team in the right. In the right way.

[A]

Yeah, you're. You're. You're a good leader. You are respectful of your teammates. All this stuff.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. All that good stuff, man. And I. I just don't know. There's got to be more to what's going on than. Than we know.

[A]

It just feels like this. There's one common denominator here, right? And that's Jerry. Right. Like, Jerry is kind of the issue of a lot of things that people have brought up for a long time in Dallas. And, you know, there's part of me that, like, really likes Jerry Jones. I. I respect. I do. Hey, in Landman, that freaking scene in Landman is. He nailed that. I. I do love that scene. It was so good. And there's, like, an old schoolness to him that like, I appreciate, but like, I just. You have to find a way to work this out. I feel like if you're the owner with Micah Parsons and it just feels like it's not going in the right direction, there's so many variables.

[B]

I just feel like there's no right or wrong way to handle these kind of things. It's just. That's fair, it's tough. It's the best you can do. Still be a great teammate, still be somebody in the building. Because those relationships, if you do sign that contract. Contract. And to get back in you, you don't want those to be tarnished. And I'm not saying that this is what Mike is doing. I'm just saying how I would handle this kind of stuff is that you always just want to be known as a great teammate, a great player to be around and. And hopefully they figure something out. Man, he's one of the best players in the league and you would hope that he gets paid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Has he said how much he wants?

[A]

That is another great question.

[B]

Like, did he say, I want to be the highest paid?

[A]

Like, I mean, so Parsons, in the final year of his rookie contract, set her in $24 million. Goddamn rookie, first round pick. Those rookie conjects are still substantial.

[B]

100% they are. But at the same time, him being the highest paid that you get double that.

[A]

He's seeking a deal exceeding 40 million, which I think puts him in the TJ watt, Miles Garrett, like all those.

[B]

Two are the only two making 40 a year. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It would potentially make him the highest paid non quarterback in the NFL is what he's looking for. Which, yeah, that's a lot of money. Who knows what Jerry has offered him. This feels like more than just the numbers at this point. Take the Trey Hendricks thing, Hendrickson thing in Cincinnati. They're not agreeing on the numbers, but it doesn't feel like there's like a personal affront. Whereas with the Mica situation in Dallas with Jerry right now, it just feels like not only are they off on the numbers, but there's.

[B]

They're in. They're in the media voicing their opinion. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

There's some type of like, breakdown of like relationship almost. I don't know if he's going to play. We want. I mean, he's not said he hasn't gonna play, which is a strong indication that he. I think he probably will play and I hope he does because as a fan, I just want to watch him play.

[B]

This is one of the.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

One of the best players in the league. Love watching him play. And I'll always be on the player side, so hopefully Dallas can pay him what he's worth.

[A]

No doubt.

[B]

Let's get to some other preseason news. Jason, how about. Let's talk about the Browns quarterback room.

[A]

A little bit more controversy, huh?

[B]

Old Cleveland at 21 6, where we.

[A]

Grew up, they're still.

[B]

Ever since they came back, they've been trying to find that quarterback that takes them to the promised land and turns the long the Browns into the winning franchise.

[A]

They had Baker Mayfield, who seems to be doing pretty good in Tampa Bay to the playoffs.

[B]

I played him in the playoffs, really good player, really good team. But now they got a guy, a few guys. Looks like as of Today, they got three QBs on the roster. Joe Flacco, Dylan Gabriel and Shadir Sanders.

[A]

All righty. Yeah, I mean, listen, shout out to Joe. First of all, I was teammates with Joe in Philadelphia for a brief moment. He can sling the pill, and he had a really good year in Cleveland a couple years back. So, you know, I think the spectacle that has been made around this seems excessive. And I get it. Chador is a. The whole story with the draft and him sliding and then the way this is unfolded, it has led to a lot of noise in the media, downright conspiracies, which has been a very fun thing to read and watch take place. But, you know, I think that my analysis of this is usually the most logical answer is correct, and usually the simplest answer is correct, and give the.

[B]

People what they want.

[A]

Well, I'm not going to give the people what they want. What they want is an outlandish take that everybody else is giving them. But what I'm going to give them is, you know, Stefanski and the Browns are trying to do the thing that they feel gives them the best chance to win football games. Otherwise they're getting fired and they're going to lose all their jobs and.

[B]

Yeah, I think I was going to say give the people what they want. In terms of the Browns fans. Oh, gotcha, Starshitter.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, listen, what do I want to watch? I want to watch Shador Sanders. Yeah. People, what they want.

[B]

The world wants to see him go out there and not only play, but have success at this point, guys are rooting for him. This isn't against anything against Dylan. This isn't anything against Joe. I'm just saying the excitement is there for him to go out there. He's going to put eyes on the screen. He is going to bring people to the game. It is what it is, man. Why? I would. At least. I would love to see it, man. I would love to see it.

[A]

Well, we're not going to see it. We're going to see Joe Flacco. And I think.

[B]

Which, I mean, the last time we saw Joe in a. He was. He was ripping. He was ripping. He took him to the playoffs.

[A]

I can't emphasize this enough. I think that at the end of the day, the reason Joe is starting is because Stefanski and them have the most amount of trust that he's going to go out there. And it's not even. It's like, there are a lot of times guys look great in practice. There's a lot of times rookies come in and there's a lot of excitement about them. Coaches oftentimes feel comfortable playing guys that they trust more and they feel more confident. They can expect a certain amount of performance out of them. And I think right now they have that more with Joe Flacco than either Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders. And people might disagree with that, and that's fine. But that's clearly the way the Browns feel. If. Rest assured, if the Browns and Kevin Stefanski felt that their best option in. The most confident option they had to win games was Shador Sanders, they would be playing him like, that is not. They're not going to go out there and not do that. I don't believe that. I just don't. You can't.

[B]

I'm with you.

[A]

I.

[B]

100%. I agree with you that. And they are doing probably the right thing, but I want to see the. I want to see 12 go out.

[A]

There and sling it.

[B]

I want to see. Yep, exactly.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's the most exciting.

[A]

It's.

[B]

It's. It's the attention. It's like. I think he's shown that he could be NFL quarterback in the preseason. I think he's done. He's done a good job since he's been in there.

[A]

Listen, I'm not gonna say that he's. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[B]

If I'm evaluating, I'm like, yeah, you can play in the NFL.

[A]

So. Because that. He should be the starter.

[B]

From a fan's perspective.

[A]

No, give me the fellow Clevelander.

[B]

Clevelander. I'm trying to see him shake.

[A]

Just because you're trying to see him.

[B]

That'Ll give me the most. Excited to. To watch the game. For sure.

[A]

Okay. As a head coach. Okay. What is your job. Is your job to make the fans Happy and to give them who can shake. Or is your job to try and play the person that you think is going to give you, the team, the best opportunity to win games?

[B]

Yeah. All right. You're on to something.

[A]

I am right there with you. I want to see Shador Sanders play as well. All I'm saying is I don't think the dialogue happening right now is good for Shador Sanders. I don't think it's good for anybody. Just let the kid develop and have faith that the Browns as an organization are. Know what they're doing at the quarterback position. Right. All right, that's fine.

[B]

I love Joe Flag. That wasn't a shot of Joe.

[A]

Some Browns fans are upset with the lack of reps given to Sanders. I just don't know, like, what was the expectation? That's what's confusing to me. Like, every quarterback drafted where he's drafted is. No, but this is my. Like, every quarterback that's drafted where he's drafted at, they're practicing with the twos and threes. Like, yes, I am frustrated that I didn't get to see him like dominate and get a ton of reps with the ones. I would have loved to see that, too, but I don't know why there was like this expectation that he wasn't going to go through the same process that every fourth and fifth round pick goes through in the NFL, which is, hey, you got to dominate on the second and third string first, and then you start getting reps.

[B]

I'm. Listen, I say, I say all this as a fellow Clevelander and I hear what the chatter around Cleveland and how everybody just, you get, you get Dion's son in the building. He enjoys being in the limelight. He enjoys being on that football field. He's got excitement. He's the showman when he plays. It's just, it's so fun to. To want to root for that. It's. It's fun to imagine what it would look like if they let 12 go out there and shake it, man.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that is the fan's perspective. The way these battles usually work is it's a competition, but the teams have in their head who they think is going to win the competition leading into it. That's almost the way all of these competitions in position battles take place. And if one person shows above and beyond that they are outperforming the other guy, they usually win the competition. If that doesn't take place, the team usually resorts back to giving it to the person that they expected and have confidence in leading into the competition. Yeah, I think that that pretty much is how this all took place. I don't think it was some outrageous conspiracy. I don't think that it was a major disservice. I just think that this is the way it unfolded. And it's not the last opportunity Shador Sanders is going to get. He's going to get plenty of opportunities to prove he is the guy. It's not over for him. This is just the way this season is starting. And hopefully all of us fans get to see him play because I think, selfishly, we all want to see it, get the people what they want. Let him.

[B]

Just let them do it. Give them the keys. Give them the keys.

[A]

All right, I'm going to try and channel my inner Taylor Swift. Last thing before the season kicks off. There's one thing NFL fans aren't getting tired of seeing is getting another edition of your NFL Sunday ticket commercial starring Jason Kelsey.

[B]

Jason Kelsey. Dude, they are good, though, man. Let's see this one.

[A]

With NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV, Jason Kelsey can watch every game, every Sunday all in one place. But how much NFL in one place place can he handle? Yes. Who? What have we done? NFL Sunday ticket in uttv. Every game, every Sunday.

[B]

New Year jc Getting fired up for some football, baby. What's better than that?

[A]

Listen, I'll say this. First of all, it's a joy to do those commercials. YouTube TV keeps it fun. I cannot emphasize as a fan and I'm not getting into anything other than user experience. It was so goddamn frustrating not being able to get the NFL Sunday ticket without having DirecTV for all these years. And that is not. I'm not trying to throw shade at DirecTV, but the fact that I can now have YouTube TV downloaded on my phone, on my iPad, on my television, I don't need. I can get all of the games outside of the ones that are on streaming channels, which is a frustrating if I'm. I'm not gonna lie. But I am so happy to be able to watch football no matter what I'm doing. Hell, you were watching T. You were watching football games at a tennis match last year.

[B]

Yes, Yes. I was.

[A]

Like, I. I just really appreciate that the Sunday ticket is with YouTube TV. I think the ease at which it is to navigate and watch football has made me a whole lot happier. Young people will never know how frustrating it was to try and watch every game in the NFL. They won't. You used to have to go to a bar. Like, if I didn't have DirecTV I had to go to be at Buffalo Wild Wings or I had to go down to some bar to watch all the games.

[B]

Now Wild Wings is the only place I knew that had a bar.

[A]

Any iPad I want. I don't have to have some ridiculous satellite on the side of my house. I just need a fucking wi fi. I don't even need wi fi. I can just have lte. Me streaming. While I'm mowing the grass, I can be watching NFL games. It's the best thing in the world. All right. It is easily one of the most happy products I've ever had to advertise. If you can't tell because it's great, it's a great product.

[B]

Yeah, dude, I'm right there with you, man. I can't stress it enough, man. It makes it so easy to watch these games. Shout out to YouTube for figuring it out. For all us NFL fans, man, we appreciate you guys.

[A]

All right, and that wraps up preseason bold topics once again brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on on YouTube.

[B]

TV, the greatest invention since sliced bread.

[A]

Alrighty. Well, speaking of plugging some things, Trav, you have some things going on off the field.

[B]

I got so much going on, Kelsey. Car jam is back for a third year in a row, baby. That's right, Kansas City. Get ready to show up and show out for another car show. We do it every single year for the Foundation 87 and running. And this year it will be held Friday, September 26th from 5 to 8pm at Knuckleheads here in Kansas City.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

So make sure you get your tickets at 87running.org. That's www.87running.org. It's one of my favorite events to do, man. And the. The entire city shows up every single time. I love Kansas City for always showing up. My foundation 87 and running is helps support the. The underserved youth in, in Kansas City, in Cleveland, where we're from, in the Heights, and, and specifically Operation Breakthrough here in Kansas City, which has been an organization around for a long, long time that's helped out the, the Kansas City youth and, and has really raised a lot of, just a lot of kids, man. Give, put them through school, help them get educations, help them eat throughout the week when, uh, their families couldn't necessarily provide, man. And it's such a beautiful organization. But a lot of the people that are familiar with 87 are running my foundation. What we've done at Operation Breakthrough, they know about the ignition lab and all the STEM programs that we've helped create for These kids that they wouldn't have so otherwise. And it's, it's pretty cool and it's unique to, to anything else I've, I've ever seen. And, and it's awesome in foundation work. And I did. I'm. I'm very honored to be a part of it. By all means. There are so many people that I, I should be able to give a shout out to that, that have, you know, made this thing what it is. And they've helped these kids really learn these STEM programs. And one of the things that they, they've done that I love shining light on is they took an old school Bronco and turned it into a modern electric car.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is going to be on site at the Kelsey Car Jam. And it's, it's just, it's cool to see what these kids have been able to do over the past, you know, three to four years since the Ignition lab has been up and a lot of it would be on display. They, they had an old school Chevy that they had on display last year that everyone got to see. I actually got to drive it to a game last year. Yeah. The. The old school Chevelle. And you know, it's. It's year in, year out, one of my favorite events, like I said, because you get to see kind of, you know, the city come out and support its own man. And it's such a beautiful thing.

[A]

And I'll, I'll vouch for this as well, guys. I went to it for the first time last year and had a blast. There's something about seeing all these classic cars and these muscle cars.

[B]

Oh, yes. I forgot to say, I forgot to mention that it's a car dance maybe.

[A]

It's a car show. So freaking cool. And people bring them all over from the, all over the state, all over the country. It's just a really fun night. And then obviously everything that they're doing over at Operation Breakthrough with the Ignition Lab, these kids are learning so many valuable skills and techniques and knowledge with Operation Breakthrough and with mine Drive. And it's just, it's incredible what they all do down there. And the car Jam kind of displays a small portion of it, which is awesome.

[B]

Yeah. And, and ultimate nod to the kids, man.

[A]

Oh, no doubt.

[B]

It's absolutely insane. If you're interested in hearing about it, I'm sure everybody from the Ignition lab and the, the mechanic shop that, that, that's doing all these fun things with these cars, they'll be there to talk about it. There'll be cars from all over last year we had a dope monster truck.

[A]

And if you don't like electric cars, they got dope ass diesel, gas powered.

[B]

And like, yeah, we got, and I'll have, I'll, I'll probably have my Chevy down there. I might even drive that thing right up to the lot and, and have a few other cars on display as well. So we always, we always get a really good show in Kansas City. Always knows how to do it. And obviously, obviously here, out, out here in the Midwest, man, everybody loves their old schools. So you'll see, you'll see a lot of people showing up and, and showing out and there'll be food and, and drinks for everybody. So it'll be a, it'll be a good opportunity to bring the, the entire family down. But that is not everything that I have going on.

[A]

That's right. That's right.

[B]

Yeah. So as of today we will have dropped, uh, the collaboration between True Colors and American Eagle. And I am the uh, the creative director for it. It was so much fun collaborating with American Eagle. They are so professional. They have the ability to really bring everything to life that you can imagine. I wanted to make something fun, kind of like a very flowy line that, that, that, that kind of just drapes on you with all these cool fabrics and these, these really like just great colors. I'm wearing one of the hats right now, as you can see is kind of a suede and, and corduroy hat with the True Colors logo and American Eagle collaboration on the side. It's just American Eagle is just, I can't say enough about how fun they've been to work with. So one of the biggest things that I wanted to do is I, I wanted to, you know, collaborate with a lot of the, the up and coming. But most importantly as creative director, I wanted to bring some amazing athletes and friends who are, you know, just real stars into the campaign and, and really help push this, this brand and this collaboration. So we got a bunch of, of huge upcoming athletes like Anna Frey Young and upcoming tennis player Drew Alar from a fellow Clevelander quarterback at Penn State. Oh yeah, Cayenne Anthony, Carmelo Anthony's son, absolute stud on the, on the court over at Syracuse, Jeremiah Smith, who is the national champion best wide receiver in the country over at Ohio State. Right now we got AZ Fudd, national champion out of Yukon, one of the best basketball players in the country. And then Suny Lee, gold medalist Olympian. Yes. And so it's, it's, it's, it's a crazy lineup of, of, of athletes. And, and it's just, it's been so fun, man, meeting every single one of them and, uh, hearing their story. I just can't wait for everybody to not only see the line, but see how cool these athletes make it look.

[A]

I can't wait to check it out. Trav sounds like it's going to be awesome.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I'd be silly if I didn't give everybody on the True Colors team a bunch of love. Our brother Harry Clark helped me a lot in terms of hd. The great baby. He's one of the best people you ever meet and he did a great job and, and helping kind of channel the direction of, of what we wanted in this. And Chris Pearson helped get, uh, the star studded athletes that we have. So it was a real family environment. And one more last shout out. Danny Salzato does so much for me off the field and she does so much for True Colors and she was unbelievable at connecting all the dots. She absolutely crushes it in the, in the fashion world and, and in the creative world. So I can't thank everybody enough for, for really getting this thing rocking and rolling for me, man.

[A]

Well done, Trav. Excited for that.

[B]

So that being said, everybody, True Colors and American Eagle coming collab. The first line drops today. That's right. August 27th.

[A]

Nice. All righty, 92 percenters. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Make sure you're subscribed to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow new Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.

[B]

Once again, New Heights Wonder show brought to you by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. All right, man. Follow the show on all social media at New Height show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. Thanks to our New Heights production team. And again, thank you to the 92%ers as always for tuning in. Can't wait to see you guys next week. We're back, baby.

[A]

Yeah. Football's back. Yeah, Sam.