Best NFL Offseason Advice, Kelce Mock Drafts, and Dumb Questions with a Salary Cap Expert | EP 134

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce – EP 134 Title: Best NFL Offseason Advice, Kelce Mock Drafts, and Dumb Questions with a Salary Cap Expert
Release Date: April 16, 2025
Host: Wondery

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Introduction

In Episode 134 of New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce, brothers Jason and Travis Kelce dive deep into the complexities of the NFL offseason, offering valuable advice, engaging in mock drafts, and addressing listener questions with the help of a seasoned salary cap expert. This episode is packed with insider insights, humorous banter, and thoughtful discussions aimed at both casual fans and dedicated followers of the league.

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Offseason Strategies and Mock Drafts

[04:37]
The episode kicks off with Jason and Travis discussing the unique aspects of the NFL offseason. They highlight the excitement surrounding the draft and tease their plans to conduct a mock draft featuring unconventional categories for added fun.

Notable Quote:
Jason Kelsey: "Teams are back in the building next week. Maybe we're also going to do a little mock draft ourselves in the form of an NFL draft around some nonsense categories."

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New News Segment: Emmy Nominations and Parodies

[05:25] – [10:55]
In the "New News" segment, Jason shares his excitement about being nominated for an Outstanding Personality in Emerging On-Air Talent Sports Emmy. The brothers humorously discuss other nominees, including Ryan Fitzpatrick and Richard Sherman, and playfully mock each other's chances of winning.

Simultaneously, Travis introduces their latest project—a Bloodsport parody featuring Bo Allen. They describe the creative process behind the parody, blending elements from classic martial arts films and action-comedies like Beverly Hills Ninja. The segment showcases their comedic chemistry and willingness to experiment with different content formats.

Notable Quotes:
Travis Kelsey: "I am going to beat the fuck out of Bo. I'm just way smarter than him."

Jason Kelsey: "We're flanking the fuck out of Boaz."

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Rated R Movies and Personal Anecdotes

[12:00] – [17:41]
Jason and Travis reminisce about the first Rated R movies they watched, sharing personal stories from their childhood. They discuss classics like American Pie and Jean-Claude Van Damme films, highlighting memorable moments and the impact these movies had on them.

Notable Quote:
Travis Kelsey: "The first Rated R movie I remember watching was American Pie when we were like 10."

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Golf Highlights: The Masters and Player Insights

[14:00] – [18:15]
The brothers shift their focus to golf, recapping the excitement surrounding the latest Masters Tournament. They discuss standout performances by Bryson, Justin Rose, and Rory, sharing their personal experiences and emotional reactions to the game's pivotal moments. Jason reveals his wagers on Rory, adding a personal stake to the discussion.

Notable Quote:
Jason Kelsey: "That putt on 18, I'm just like, six footer."

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Offseason Training and Personal Routines

[28:00] – [39:27]
Jason and Travis delve into offseason training, contrasting their approaches as veterans versus rookies. They emphasize the importance of adapting routines to maintain peak performance and the challenges of balancing physical training with mental well-being. Travis shares his history of offseason surgeries, framing them as both a challenge and a forced commitment to improvement.

Notable Quote:
Jason Kelsey: "When you're younger, you're a kid in a candy shop, trying everything. As you get older, you develop habits that make you your optimum self."

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Mock Draft: Bucket List Events

[39:27] – [48:52]
Engaging in their mock draft, Jason and Travis take turns selecting bucket list events they wish to experience. From the intense Running of the Bulls to prestigious sporting events like the F1 race in Monaco and the Champions League final, the brothers share their aspirations and the rationale behind their choices. Their playful competitiveness shines as they debate the merits of each event.

Notable Quote:
Jason Kelsey: "Running of the bulls is hands down my favorite choice."

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No Dumb Questions: Salary Cap Insights with Jake Rosenberg

[53:28] – [71:10]
In a highly informative segment, Jason and Travis welcome Jake Rosenberg, former Vice President of Football Administration for the Eagles, to discuss the intricacies of the NFL salary cap. They break down fundamental concepts, such as prorating signing bonuses and the strategic implications for team spending. Jake elucidates how teams balance immediate expenditures with future financial commitments, providing listeners with a clearer understanding of contract negotiations and cap management.

Notable Quotes:
Jake Rosenberg: "The salary cap is a limit on what every team can spend to pay their players, but it's more nuanced than a typical budget."

Travis Kelsey: "When you see a 4-year, $50 million deal with $10 million guaranteed, you should say bullshit."

Jason Kelsey: "If a player's contract shows a lot of non-guaranteed money, it's often manipulated by agents to make the numbers look better."

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Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes

[71:10] – [73:13]
The episode wraps up with Jason and Travis teasing future content, including a special guest episode focused on the NBA playoffs. They encourage listeners to subscribe and engage with the show on various platforms, ensuring fans stay connected for upcoming insights and entertainment.

Notable Quote:
Jason Kelsey: "We will be back Friday with a special guest episode. You're not going to want to miss this NBA playoff starting."

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Key Takeaways

• Offseason Preparation: Adapting training routines is crucial for longevity and peak performance in the NFL.
• Salary Cap Understanding: Grasping the mechanics of the salary cap, including prorating and guaranteed money, is essential for comprehending team strategies and contract negotiations.
• Personal Aspirations: Even professional athletes have adventurous bucket lists, reflecting their diverse interests beyond the sports arena.
• Humor and Camaraderie: The Kelce brothers maintain a lighthearted and engaging dynamic, making complex topics accessible and entertaining.

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Quotes Highlight

• Travis Kelsey: "When you see a 4-year, $50 million deal with $10 million guaranteed, you should say bullshit."
• Jason Kelsey: "We're flanking the fuck out of Boaz."
• Jake Rosenberg: "The salary cap is a limit on what every team can spend to pay their players, but it's more nuanced than a typical budget."

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Listen to the full episode on Wondery, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify to gain comprehensive insights into the NFL offseason, enjoy some comedic relief, and deepen your understanding of salary cap management in professional football.

Transcript

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

It was like seven or eight years in a row where I had off season surgery.

[Jason Kelsey]

It might have been blessings for us.

[Travis Kelsey]

Forces you to be in the fucking building. I would have been fucking outta here, right?

[Jason Kelsey]

Especially as a young player. As my man Charles Barkley says, bro, you got somebody with a money and time and bad habits. It ain't a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, Chuck. Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. A wondrous show produced by Wave Sports & Entertainment and brought to you by Suave Men. No nonsense self care for men. We are your host. I'm Travis Kelsey is my big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cavs, baby. Yeah. It's playoff basketball, baby. Let's go man. Let's go. Number one seed dog on you gotta love it, man. Subscribe on YouTube Wonder plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at new heightshow with 1s. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay, first I gotta touch on this. No nonsense Self care. Have you ever. Do you remember Brian Regan, the standup comedian?

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm better with faces, with comedians.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm pretty sure Regan had a. A bit where he would the. The no nonsense. Well, what about the nonsense self care like. And that's all I can think of is like, no nonsense. Like are they just saying all the other self care is nonsense? Self care.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they're saying.

[Jason Kelsey]

What's a nonsense self care for men item? Beard oil.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, no.

[Jason Kelsey]

That feels pretty nonsensical to me.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, I think beard oil is solid.

[Jason Kelsey]

Solid. That's a no nonsense. What else is self care for men? What's another men product?

[Travis Kelsey]

Another men product.

[Jason Kelsey]

No nonsense.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nonsense would probably be like gold bond powders.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why does that product still exist?

[Travis Kelsey]

You're right. Now with compression shorts, you don't need that stuff.

[Jason Kelsey]

And even if without compression shorts, they gotta make some type of gel that is more efficient than this powder getting all over the fucking place.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, man, the powder is. You gotta keep it dry. That's what keeps it sliding around. If you put lubricant in there, it'll get too fucking moist.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, but they make those gels that have like a powdery gel. It just seems a little archaic to be throwing like corn starch, zinc oxide dust into the air and then rubbing it on.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're big. You big. All right.

[Jason Kelsey]

I know. I do my research on my ingredients.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, and you're big on the environment. I didn't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. I'm all into no nonsense self care. This nonsense self care can kick rocks. All right, coming up on this episode, we've got another great episode for you guys. It's mostly just going to be the fellas today. That's right. Hey, hope you enjoyed all the guests we've had on. And yes, we have heard your feedback. We will have a Chiefs player on soon. Note to Travis, please ask a chief so that they can stop bitching at Brandon and Jake that we don't have any chiefs on.

[Travis Kelsey]

I didn't realize we didn't have any chiefs on. I got the perfect guy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who? Who's who are we rolling with Creed?

[Travis Kelsey]

Trey, I just said that so that it could like lead up to.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay. Just so we don't have the perfect guy yet. Okay. Well, Creed, I'm hoping it's you. Anyways, today we're going to check in with the NFL off season. That's right. A lot of things happening. The draft is coming up.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, sir.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's exciting time in The NFL landscape. Teams are back in the building next week. I guess some are back in this week. Maybe we're also going to do a little mock draft ourselves. How about in the form of an NFL draft around some nonsense categories? And also our first NFL expert will be stopping by. We talked about. We talked about a couple weeks ago doing a salary cap episode. Yeah, we're going to have a salary cap expert on the episode today.

[Travis Kelsey]

92 percenters. They spoke up.

[Jason Kelsey]

They did. Hopefully this is the start to a bunch of NFL experts, whether it's equipment managers, people that work in the league office. I'd love to take this show to new heights. I think both Travis and I would to take the show to new heights and our fan base in new heights with our understanding of the inner workings of the NFL.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right with you.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, now it's time for new.

[Travis Kelsey]

New coming in high.

[Jason Kelsey]

New news is brought to you by American Express.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, it is. Right now. Don't leave home without it.

[Jason Kelsey]

New news. I've been nominated for outstanding personality in emerging on air talent Sports Emmy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, you're up against Ryan Fitzpat. Fitz Magic. You're done. Dude, that guy's the best.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, look at all these.

[Travis Kelsey]

Everybody, man, if he smiled, he would have won it. But he doesn't smile.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think he still is going to win it. Saban killed it on college game day.

[Travis Kelsey]

Richard Sherman, Prime Video, baby. And then Jay Wright. CBS and tnt. The old Villanova coach, Jay Wright.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep. Jay's awesome. He's killing coach and he's been killing it on cbs. How about prime video? TNF has two emerging talents in Ryan Fitzpatrick and Richard Sherman. Both of those guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

And kills it, man. Yeah, you already know. Both of them are the absolute best and hell of football players, too.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep. Ryan Fitzpatrick, also fellow wave podcaster. That's right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Okay, shout out to Ryan Fitz. Him and Fitz and Wit.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's not mad. Fitz, Magic and Wit. I thought it was gonna be all right anyways. Fits and wit. All right, here we go. Past winners of this award are Noah Eagle in 2024 and Greg Olson in 2023.

[Travis Kelsey]

G Reg, my dog.

[Jason Kelsey]

Some good company right there.

[Travis Kelsey]

What a guy, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, listen, it's my third nomination for a sports emmy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, you're killing it, man. You gotta get one. You gotta get one eventually.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm really good at getting nominated. Whether it's sports Emmys, Sexiest man of the year. I'm a great nomination.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, you're not a great winner. You're a ribbon winner. You're a ribbon winner. We need you to win the award, Jason. But you're getting ribbo.

[Jason Kelsey]

We can't put our finger on it. We like him, but he's just not the best story of my life. There we go.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're my, you're my favorite, Jason.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm the Travis Kelce brother. Emmy award winner.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, I'll tell you what you did win a. Win an Emmy for my heart for was this Bloodsport parody with Bo Allen. We've got a new garage beer commercial coming your way. The long awaited Bloodsport parody that Jason and and Bo have been brewing up. And if there was an actual blood sport, who is winning, you or Bo? That's the real question.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm beating the fuck out of Bill. I'm just way smarter than him. I outsmarted him for years playing offensive line center versus nose guard. He's a brute force guy. He thinks about things very simplistically, you know, thus Kelsey's. We're flanking.

[Travis Kelsey]

Come on now. Come on.

[Jason Kelsey]

We're flanking the fuck out of Boaz.

[Travis Kelsey]

We're, we're. Deception is what we are.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. I'm gonna find a way. I don't care if it's pocket sand. I don't know what it's going to be. It's going to take me over the top against Bo, but I'd take it down.

[Travis Kelsey]

If you guys haven't seen this commercial, you are going to want to. It's the fight or Jason's training for the. The Brumite.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's hard to explain because this thing makes no sense whatsoever.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, it makes all the sense. And it, if it has, it doesn't make sense for somebody just watching the video. I'm sure it will eventually.

[Jason Kelsey]

And this is just like a. Owning a beer company is weird because you start to understand commercial structure and how they advertise things and how things are pushed and like a lot of it comes in like 30 second blocks, 60 second blocks, and how they pay to push it out to people to see it. It's almost like a trailer for the actual full video that we made with Beau and I where I'm doing more training and there's a little bit more dialogue, but it's mostly just a 80s movie, 90s, early 90s action movie montage. Yeah, we were trying to think of different things and I come up with all sorts of stupid ideas. And I've always loved the movie Bloodsport. In particular, I've loved those old martial arts movies of the 80s and 90s. Like I just. I love all of them.

[Travis Kelsey]

They're the absolute best.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was a huge Bloodsport fan. We also. This is kind of like part Bloodsport.

[Travis Kelsey]

Part Beverly Hills Ninja.

[Jason Kelsey]

Beverly Hills Ninja, which was another one.

[Travis Kelsey]

Of our most opposite action movies ever. But the combination of the two is perfect.

[Jason Kelsey]

And I couldn't care what Rotten Tomato says about Beverly Hills Ninja. That movie is a classic.

[Travis Kelsey]

It is 90% or more on Rotten Tomatoes if you ask me.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. And the Kelsey vote it is. Well, this is part one. Part two is going to be the actual filming of the Brumate, which will be the creme de la cremen.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can't wait to see how you do.

[Jason Kelsey]

We'll see who. We'll see who finishes with the last beer. I don't know. I like thinking about these old 80s movies and 90s movies. How could we parody them and have fun with it? So this was a lot of fun to put together. Yeah, we filmed it at like a legitimate dojo down in Florida. Sebastian was kind enough. Sensei Sebastian, I think was kind enough to let us use his dojo and everything he had down there. It was teach me actually how to like do some karate moves, which is pretty awesome.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, I'm not going to lie. You look pretty smooth.

[Jason Kelsey]

I look terrible.

[Travis Kelsey]

But no, no, no, no. The video that I saw that I'm not sure everybody has seen yet, you looked like a fucking.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, just.

[Travis Kelsey]

You were in the zone.

[Jason Kelsey]

Next video I'm going to be at my peak. That's the way it's going to work.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, I can't wait. Jason, have you shown the girls Bloodsport? Your girls?

[Jason Kelsey]

They have not seen bloodsport. No, they haven't. No. I don't think Bloodsport be that interesting to them.

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you kidding me? Jean Claude Van Damme's like the hottest guy on earth.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jean Claude Van Damme is hot. He does the splits. I mean, he does the splits better than anybody ever seen. Great splits guy. We did recently just watch Miss Congeniality.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, nice. Andrew Bullock.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Yep, yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out to Sandra.

[Jason Kelsey]

Good movie. Good movie.

[Travis Kelsey]

Classic right there. They love it. They were kind of in and out or whatever.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, I don't know how you don't like that movie. It's just a good feel good movie, you know, classic tale of a beauty pageant gone awry with, you know, the, the operator trying to kill everyone because she's being pushed out of it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

And the in the FBI and police getting involved over. Yeah, I think we've all heard this story before.

[Travis Kelsey]

What was the first rated R movie you ever remember watching?

[Jason Kelsey]

First Radar movie. Oh, man, I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

What about you?

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you know?

[Travis Kelsey]

We definitely. We definitely watched a bunch with. With Ed. With Big.

[Jason Kelsey]

Did. We had to. Mom was usually more forward thinking. I feel like in the movies, dad was not a big show. R rated movies, kids.

[Travis Kelsey]

I didn't think the one I remember watching that I didn't even realize was rated R, like, was American Pie. And that was when we were like 10. I feel like I had to have watched a couple before that.

[Jason Kelsey]

But that was not with dad. That was not with dad.

[Travis Kelsey]

That wasn't with mom either. I was just fucking going to the movies.

[Jason Kelsey]

And you went to the movie theater to see American Pie?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

They'd let you in.

[Travis Kelsey]

I forget how I got in, but yeah, I might have been there with somebody else's parents. I don't know. Mom might let me go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I feel like I watched it at the house with Mom. Mom liked our comedies and she would let us watch our comedies. Dad started letting us watch our action movies. But I felt like it was later. Dad really liked. It's so funny thinking back to these comedy heroes or these action heroes. What's the fucking dude that lives in Russia now? Steven Seagal. Dad loved him. Some Steven Seagal.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hilarious. I couldn't stand those movies. I don't know what it was about that dude. I was.

[Jason Kelsey]

There's the one where he gets like, put in a. A coma. He gets out of the coma to avenge his, like these people that killed his family. Great movie. It's really, really good. The one that I do remember, I still remember sitting with dad because I just got lost at one of the state fairs. You remember that? When I got lost at the state fair and you guys had to come up.

[Travis Kelsey]

Do I? Of course I do.

[Jason Kelsey]

So we were sitting down in the movie, I think it was called Shutout. It was either shut out or shootout with John Claude Van Damme where there's a bomb in the ice rink.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes.

[Jason Kelsey]

You remember this movie?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes. God damn, you're taking great.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's there with his son at the game and he. He has to save everybody in this arena from this bomb. Very realistic scenario.

[Travis Kelsey]

Of course.

[Jason Kelsey]

He tells his son, don't move. And the kid just doesn't move. He just keeps sitting there. And I remember dad leaning over to me mid movie. Be like, smart kid.

[Travis Kelsey]

I just had to teach a lesson real quick.

[Jason Kelsey]

He doesn't go off wandering around like a fucking idiot.

[Travis Kelsey]

Big Ed, smart kid.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, smart kid.

[Travis Kelsey]

Take notes.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was like, dad, Jean, Cliff Van Damme's playing goalie now. None of this movie makes any sense.

[Travis Kelsey]

That shit was fucking great, though. I was locked in, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Had a great glove save there.

[Travis Kelsey]

We digress. Let's keep this thing moving.

[Jason Kelsey]

Last bit of new news. We've got a new Masters champion. Trav, did you watch?

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, I did, and it was electric. The whole time I was thinking, they're like, oh, man, am I going to go to the Masters on Sunday? Am I going to find a way to get down there to watch this epic ending?

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, it did not disappoint.

[Travis Kelsey]

Bryson making a run on Saturday. And then, you know, Justin Rose just trying to hold on, and it was. And then Rory just going up and down. Oh, we just. And then just skyrocketing. They kind of. Dude, it was unbelievable. It was so fun to watch and shout out to Rory. How about that? A career grand slam. There's only been five of them before now.

[Jason Kelsey]

Six.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was rooting for Rory going into it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Were you?

[Jason Kelsey]

I was actually. Money. I had money on Rory. I'm very happy about this. I am very small. I'm not a big gambler, but I did have some wagers on Rory. Listen, Rory seems like an awesome dude. He's accomplished everything in golf outside of this, and he's playing so well right now. So I think everybody's excited about it. Dude, the last day. That might be the most I've sweated watching golf in my life, like, right from the get go, really. But he, like, double boge. He's like, bryson is tied. Then Bryson goes up a stroke after what, two or three holes? And I'm just like, dude. What? He's. He's collapsing again. Like, I couldn't help but it was.

[Travis Kelsey]

An emotional roller coaster.

[Jason Kelsey]

Forms back. He's got a commanding lead.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude. Insane.

[Jason Kelsey]

And then, dude, that putt on 18, I'm just like, six footer. Listen, I missed. I missed an eagle putt. I've missed an eagle putt right at that list. Just because you know how much getting an eagle would mean, right? You're sitting there and you're like, I'm going to make this. This is so good. I can't believe. And you pull it or you push it. I think everybody can, like, relate to that moment. But the fact that he lost to Bryson last year on a very similar putt.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, it had been over 10 years since my dog has won a fucking major. How crazy is that? And. And. And. And that's the putt that you. You have it in the bag. All you got to do is just make that putt and it, bro. You could see him sweating it. Oh my gosh, bro. And then just fucking said, you know what? Enough is enough.

[Jason Kelsey]

The bounce back was great.

[Travis Kelsey]

And went into that playoff, dude, it was so fucking satisfying seeing him go up and down and up and down. And Justin Rose, I. I'm not going to lie. I thought he was going to drain that putt and put the pressure on him. I thought he was going to drain that putt on 18.

[Jason Kelsey]

What was weird was I was rooting for Rory the whole time. And then the whole story of Justin Rose and how many runner ups he's had, right. And how close he's been a number of times. It was really just like, man, I don't know who's going to win this. I'm kind of rooting for both. But the moment Rory hit that freaking second shot on the overtime, just stuck it. That was amazing.

[Travis Kelsey]

Beautiful shot, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

It did not disappoint. The Masters is always exciting. Probably the most exciting Sunday of masters golf I've ever seen in my life.

[Travis Kelsey]

My dog, Justin Thomas, dropping an ace in there, man. Had a hole in one.

[Jason Kelsey]

There we go.

[Travis Kelsey]

During the Masters, that has to feel electric. My guy, Max Homa, getting it going, man. Not hasn't necessarily been his year. He's been knocking on the door, put up a super respectable store, and happy as hell he got it going. But yeah, man, it was. It was a fun, fun weekend.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is there a football equivalent of the grand slam? I don't think there is, but we can sure try to make one.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know, I'm biased. I would say something like winning back to back Super Bowls. I don't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's where I went to.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think there's like. I forget how many teams I've already forgot.

[Jason Kelsey]

Small amount of teams.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, there's dynasties, however, Whatever you want to call them.

[Jason Kelsey]

Whatever you want to call them.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't even. That's up for you, Gu know, I don't put myself on my Mount Rushmore, whatever you kids are calling them nowadays.

[Jason Kelsey]

So good. So good. Yeah, Nine teams. I mean, back to back definitely was actually where I went first too. Brandon and Jake have a good one in the rundown. Who put it in here? But mvp, Super Bowl. Because it does feel like back to back is a team thing. And it feels like grand slam is like, what is an individual accomplished? Multiple things. Pretty much everything you could accomplish. It is certain. In the NFL, that's like the highest of the NFL.

[Travis Kelsey]

So where are you going with.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, they have mvp, Super Bowl, super bowl mvp. I would also put up Walter Payton. I mean, that's not a career. That's more like off the field stuff that. But it's a great one. What about like Rookie of the Year? Like I'm trying to think what are the all the like major milestones of like super. It's mvp, Offensive or defensive player of the year?

[Travis Kelsey]

Offensive and defense. Rookie of the year, Rookie of the.

[Jason Kelsey]

Year, Super Bowl, super bowl mvp.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

How many guys have done that? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

Who'S all won everything. So.

[Jason Kelsey]

Anybody do any research on that?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't fucking do any research. I let you guys research it up.

[Jason Kelsey]

What's the question?

[C]

What are you asking?

[Travis Kelsey]

Have you been listening to anything? Brandon, it was super clear.

[Jason Kelsey]

What do you do? Okay, we've done some research. We've come back. We're probably going to cut up really weird to you guys, but the NFL mvp, There's been seven players who have won the NFL mvp, Super bowl mvp, and led their team to a Super bowl victory all in one season. Yes, seven players have done that in one season. So if we made it an entire career, there'd probably be too many players to compare this to a Grand Slam of golf. So I think that's it. I think it's that. That's the trifecta.

[Travis Kelsey]

League mvp, Super Bowl MVP and Super bowl victory.

[Jason Kelsey]

These are the seven players who have done it. Somebody can add these pictures of Pat Mahomes and Patty Mahomes, Terry Bradshaw.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's won. He's won the grand slam at such a young age.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's probably the youngest to ever do it.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's like Tiger when he won the grand slam. Right?

[Travis Kelsey]

We could be like Tiger and his daddy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Was Tiger the youngest to win a grand Slam.

[Travis Kelsey]

Brandon.

[C]

It is Tiger Woods.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, baby.

[C]

At 24 years old.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, my God.

[Jason Kelsey]

He did it before Pat did Trifecta in football.

[Travis Kelsey]

My God, what the fuck have I.

[C]

Done with my life?

[Travis Kelsey]

Whatever.

[Jason Kelsey]

Last Masters things. Lots of fans have been pointing out online how much they enjoyed the Masters. Bear banning cell phones. Travis and I have experienced that both ourselves. It's fantastic.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's awesome. Except for they still have like photographers that could take pictures of you and sell it to media outlets.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, I don't care about that portion. I'm just talking about people being present and like actually enjoying the event rather than just like being on your phone.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, I thought you were talking about.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I have no problem with people taking my picture. I've. I gave way to that long time ago.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I think I'm all in on cell phones. I. I wanted to buy a. I thought it'd be cool to buy a bar and say no cell phones. Get back to just talking to people. Yeah, I just. I'm in on the no cell phones, and I'm too addicted to my cell phone to where if there's not a rule, I'm gonna be on my cell phone. So I need a rule to tell me to get up off my cell phone. This is an awesome tweet from Charles Robinson. One of the coolest parts of this moment when Rory won it is seeing the crowd. Everybody is actually watching it through their eyeballs, and not just a bunch of phones and cameras pointed at him. I agree, man. And maybe it's just because I'm old.

[Travis Kelsey]

Except for the guys with the cameras right there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. But those are press people. Or you bring in a camera, you can bring a camera, and that's completely different.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is that right? You can bring a camera in.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't think it's about the cameras. It's a little bit about the cameras.

[Travis Kelsey]

But, like, I think it's definitely about the cameras.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, it's the cameras. It's about being present.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's about being on the phone, and. Yeah.

[D]

All right.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's also, like, anytime, like, anything big is having everybody's just holding their phones up rather than just being in the moment. I think it's different to me, but I'm also probably just an old curmudgeon. I think it's one thing that the Masters for sure. Among the thousands of things the Masters gets right, this is one of them. And I wish more events would do it like this.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Smell good, stay dry and don't be the guy everyone avoids in the locker room. That's a winning game plan right there.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

These guys have created human grade dog food developed by board certified nutritionists. We're talking real meat and veggies, gently cooked to keep all those nutrients intact.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's be honest, traditional pet food is super processed and who knows if you're serving the right amount, right?

[Jason Kelsey]

True.

[Travis Kelsey]

The farmer's dog has totally changed the game with their freshly made food.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

You get 50% off your first box of fresh, healthy food@the farmersdog.com newhites plus you get free shipping. Just go to the farmersdog.com newhighs to get 50% off. That's the farmersdog.com newhites we've got a lot of big matchups heading into this week's slate of games. Brandon, let's have you construct a pick set on DraftKings. Pick six favorite picks for the weekend. To create a pick set, you choose just two or more players and select whether they'll have more or less than a certain stat and play for huge cash prizes. That's it.

[C]

That's it. It's that easy. Jason Kelsey. Here's what Jake and I had a lot of fun with last year. Doing little tiny picks in these little stat lines. So I'm going to go DeMar DeRozan less a half a steal and I'm going to do zach levine less 2 and a half turnovers.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's a great start. You can also select other players like Jokic to have more or less than that same number of points. Let's pick one more for this week. Do you think Anthony Davis will have more or less than eight and a half rebounds?

[C]

I'll go more on eight and a half rebounds. I'll do that for you.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[E]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[E]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Season we are officially in off season training mode. It's a little bit weird at this time of the year because OTAs are about to start up. I think they might have started up for some teams. Other teams are getting gear in, but we are. It's officially in the Instagram workout season where people are posting.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, that's the entire off season.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's true. It's true. My man Cooper De Jean and Ryan Clark had this back and forth on social media. Coop gave Ryan the shishush at the top of the break.

[Travis Kelsey]

He loved the shish.

[Jason Kelsey]

Ryan couldn't keep up with it. My guy rc absolutely love the shush. Look at that. Backpedal to the I mean, in fairness to Ryan, he's not in cleats, which he's trying to keep up with somebody in cleats. That's going to be a tough task.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, no, Ryan, do you understand how DB drills work? Ryan is working the drill as a coach and he's and he's making sure that Cooper stays with him and stuff like that. He was trying to make a break. He wasn't necessarily trying to Keep up with Cooper.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why not? He's trying to give him a cut.

[Travis Kelsey]

DeJean was trying to keep up. Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think either way, Ryan's in tennis shoes. It's hard to cut. For those of you that try and do this without cleats on, it's a difficult task. Coupe looks pretty good, though.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. He's working with the best man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Instagram workout videos. This is an example of a good one to post. I. I never really liked the Instagram post from most guys because I feel like a lot of it is just like a. There's just so many guys that I know that have gone in, done curls, taken a picture, and then walked up out of the gym.

[Travis Kelsey]

Really?

[Jason Kelsey]

It's like, did you. Oh, yeah. It's like, man. Oh, okay. And then you see it on Instagram. Oh, I don't know that you really got a lot out of that workout, bud. That's my own 2 cents on it. Not a huge fan of the Instagram workouts. There's another reason I hate Instagram. I think there's a lot of snake oil salesmen on social media that fucking have awful programs that top guys go to that are highly successful because top guys are ridiculously skilled players and that this guy is not a good player or a good trainer to go to for the vast majority of players.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. And you got to vet it, man. But also you got to do what works for you, because obviously, if you're a great fucking player and you're going to a. A decent trainer, just an average trainer, you better be getting the most out of what you're doing, regardless.

[Jason Kelsey]

You know, I think what you just said is you got to do what works for you. And I think what works for. When you play for in the league for a long time, you start to develop the habits that make you your optimum self. It's hard to know what's in the best interest of everybody. Players usually figure it out that are really good, that play for a long time and have longevity. There's a lot of guys that don't figure it out and they never reach their potential. Or a lot of guys that focus on the wrong stuff or they go to too many places and then they're getting hurt all the time. I think you're right. I think at the end of the day, you got to trust what works for you. What translates the best and is making you a better player.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. The first things first, you got to be. You got to be real with yourself. You got to be real with yourself. What do I lack at where do I need to improve?

[Jason Kelsey]

Right.

[Travis Kelsey]

And then you have to be real with yourself and how hard you have to work to be better at that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And I think, you know, once you find those two questions, you start finding an answer for it and you start to look for and seek for the best ways to get that done. And you know, that's the professionalism. Those are the routines and the off season routines that you have to set for yourself to be able to be, you know, the best you can be.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right. Other NFL offseason news. Max Crosby is officially the first active NFL player to be named assistant GM of a college football team. How about that?

[Travis Kelsey]

Assistant gm?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, Max out here doing some big Eastern Michigan alma mater.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. There's something about like being the GM where it feels like it's too much of a. Like, listen, I'll be like the help recruiter guy, but may calling me GM is like, dude, I'm not like making it that official title or like I'm committed to this like that. You know what I mean?

[Travis Kelsey]

It sounds like Max is, man. I mean, I hear you.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean he definitely is. I think that that's the case. That's why this is so cool.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that's awesome, man. Going back to the Mac, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is what college sports has turned into. Like the reality is like all of these schools now are going to these big name players to help with recruiting nil deals, garner attention around it. And to have really high caliber players tied into the organization, it uplifts them. Right. We saw Andrew Luck do something similar out in Stanford, Max taking it to the next level by being an active player and doing this. It'll be interesting to see how this affects Eastern Michigan's ability to recruit and sign players and all that other stuff. I am doing something with Cincinnati. We're still figuring out what that role is. I kind of wanted to be in charge of like team spirit. I'm a team spirit kind of guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

You are, dude. You just lifted my spirit by saying that.

[Jason Kelsey]

All I want to do is like, how can we, how can we make the experience better on game day?

[Travis Kelsey]

He's just going to be the mascot.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't want to be the mascot. I want to be. I want to give resources to the student section and just have a fucking fun ass time.

[Travis Kelsey]

You would be a fucking student stud as a mascot, dude.

[C]

Before we get out of off season, we did have one voicemail I wanted.

[Jason Kelsey]

To put before we get out of off season.

[C]

No, I teed it up I got it. I nailed it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Are you being recorded right now?

[C]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

You record yourself?

[C]

I record myself and I watch it back. I grind tape.

[F]

Hey, guys. So I'm calling on behalf of my friend Angela and the touchdowns and Tea, our swifty group.

[Travis Kelsey]

Okay.

[F]

And she wanted to ask about how rookies and veterans handle the off season differently and how they, like, just give and if you had any advice to give to, like, the rookies that came in to, like, don't do anything dumb.

[Travis Kelsey]

So.

[F]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[F]

So basically, what do you. What would you do differently from when you're a rookie to, like, now? Obviously having the experience for both of you, I guess. All right. Thank you. They stand. Go cheese. Not so much. And go Colts.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you. All right. Well off.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jesus.

[Jason Kelsey]

Not so much. It's a great question. I think that it definitely changes as you get older. One of the things that changes is that you just have to do more stuff the older you get to, like, get ready to go.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just trying to maintain the peak athleticism that you got and to. You got to find that routine.

[Jason Kelsey]

You can't do as much workload because your body can't handle as much. And then you can't just get into it. You got to warm up more. So it just becomes harder to finish. I mean, it just becomes harder and it becomes more of a grind, to be honest with you. Like, getting old and trying to play in the NFL becomes really, really hard to navigate from, like, a body and like a.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like a physical warm up counts as the workout. Now, I never.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, when I was young, I didn't.

[Travis Kelsey]

Warm up much at all. Just.

[Jason Kelsey]

Put the weight on the bar and let's go, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

I gotta do floor exercise. I gotta do calisthenics.

[Jason Kelsey]

I gotta put this lacrosse ball into my tailbone, otherwise I can't squat. Dude. Reality of it. So I think you got to do more soft tissue stuff, which I. I always hated soft tissue. I never understood why people did it. And then you get older and you're like, oh, this is why people do soft tissue stuff. You know, I'm still not a big stretcher, and I think that that's hurting me a lot. But it's so hard to get on the page with that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why is it so hard, Jason?

[Jason Kelsey]

Because I just, like, I don't believe in stretching. And I think I need to start. I think I need to start.

[Travis Kelsey]

What are you, a flat earther? You just died. I don't believe in it.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think it's bad for muscle elasticity to do, like, static stretching. I'm A functional movement stretcher by nature.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, but stretching, stretching, whether you're static or functional. I hear you.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, but I, I need to do the stuff that's like, I need my ass and back to relax and I need to do like just this over and over again and sit in stretch poses and I just can't get to it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Now I'm out.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think the biggest thing is as you get older, you just realize kind of what works and you get into a routine and you become much more efficient at working out. When you're younger, you're, you're a kid in a candy shop. You're trying everything. You're hearing stuff from people that are doing stuff over here, different veterans that you're leaning on, trainers and coaches, and you're more kind of all over the place with your training. And once you've done that enough as a player, I think you fall in line to like, this is what works for me. This is what I respond really well with and what gets me to play the best. And then you hit another phase of your career where like, oh, what I've been doing for the last like 10 seasons now, I need to do all this other stuff. And that's when it becomes really hard because you have to like, do all these other things so that your body still can do the things that it once did. And that's where the kind of progression for me, at least it was in my career, I think.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, you hit it on the head when you're a rookie. You could just get up and go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And on top, on top of that, I kind of, I don't know, my first couple of years I was dealing with injuries, so I was in Kansas City and I was working on rehab and I was working on strengthening a lot of things more than I was working on my overall game. You know, everybody's different, but at the same time, we kind of mentioned it before this. You have to find, you have to be real with yourself. You have to be, you know, hard on yourself. Your own worst critic on what you got to get better at and, and the, the, the entire off season. You know, you need that yin and yang of like professional life and, and, and non professional life and being able to have that happy medium. Because the grind of the season is six months. It's a, if you're lucky, it's six months, but it is a six month grind of you're going into the facility having the same, same exact day every single Monday, every single Tuesday, every single. You know what I mean? So you want to be able to get away from the game so that it's fresh when you come back in and you're. And you feel that excitement and motivation like it's the first day of school or something. So I, I would. I. I always tell people, be real with yourself. Figure out exactly what you need to do. Find what, Find what that means, how you're going to get better at that and achieve that. And then on top of that, get away from the game a little bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Don't be afraid to go out there and see something you haven't seen before or, you know, go to a. Go to a new place or take that vacation with your family. Go, step away, recharge. Get that going. Because it's only going to make you work harder and feel more refreshed and, and ready to go when you come back.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, dude, it's. I agree with all that 100%.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was like seven or eight years in a row where I had off season surgery.

[Jason Kelsey]

It might have been blessings for us because it like. I don't know, man. It like kind of like forces you.

[Travis Kelsey]

To be in the building.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

That I, I would have been out of here.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right. Especially as a young player, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

What I'm finally, you know, got money.

[Jason Kelsey]

Time, dude. As I was about to say, as my man Charles Barkley says, bro, you got somebody with a money and time and bad habits. It ain't a matter of if. It's a matter of win.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, Chuck, I love that line.

[Jason Kelsey]

All righty. Since we are coming up on the NFL draft, we wanted to do some drafting of our own. That's right. We're back with the New Heights mock draft. The last one I think we did was on Easter candy, it looks like.

[Travis Kelsey]

Damn, that was last year.

[Jason Kelsey]

I know it's been a while, but happy to be back at it. I always love doing these. These are fun. Just a reminder, it is Snake draft format, which means that one of us will go first, then the other person will go, then that person will go first, then the other person will go, then that person will go first. So it kind of works its way down like a snake. We're going to do five rounds topic bucket list events. These are events that neither of us have been to.

[Travis Kelsey]

So we can't say something like the Masters, which is a lot of people's bucket list event, because we've already been there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Got it. All right. I think that makes sense. Do you want to do the honors or shall I?

[Travis Kelsey]

So the first round obviously has to be like our number One like the one we desire the most.

[Jason Kelsey]

You want to take something that I can't. Should be your goal here.

[Travis Kelsey]

Gosh. Well, now it's just. Now it's just a game of what does Jason want?

[Jason Kelsey]

Probably playing the same game on your end.

[Travis Kelsey]

You don't fucking know what I want. I want everything. Right.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're so much more inside of my head than I'm inside of yours. It's ridiculous.

[Travis Kelsey]

What does Jason want to do? No bucket list item. Bus. I'm sorry. Bucket list event. I would say with the first pick of my bucket list event draft. I want to go. That's a lot harder. I should have been writing shit down. All right, you go first if you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Have one running of the bulls. I've always wanted to do it. I've wanted to run with the bulls. This is a. This is a huge bucket list item for Jason. All right, now you get to go twice.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't want to fucking do that. I'm so glad you took that. All right, if you're going to go a random one you want to do, I'll do. I've always wanted to go to the F1 race in Monaco.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

Always wanted to do that ever since we were playing those racing games at the arcade.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, man, those are fun. Gosh.

[Travis Kelsey]

What else are you going with one you've already done. So I could just wait till the fifth round for that.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's a good strategy.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm going with, for myself, second pick, the Champions League final. I've always wanted to go to a huge soccer game and in the best soccer in the world and see the best teams in the world go at it and. Yeah, put it on my bucket list.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right. I'm going to ask your help on this next one because I don't know what its name is, but I know you know what the name is because you just watched it on Netflix. What's the horse race that happens in Italy?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know. Ty Alo or something like that. Or it might be in something like that. I don't think that's wrong. I don't think they.

[Jason Kelsey]

But it's say.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes. That when you said running the bulls, my mind immediately went there.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, I'm going to put that as my second round pick.

[Travis Kelsey]

It. Is that. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

You got to say it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jason Palio, D. Siena. That doesn't sound right. Is that it?

[Travis Kelsey]

It's 100% it. I mean, all the. Everything looks.

[Jason Kelsey]

It looks electric as fuck. It looked like a great time.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

They're just in the middle of, like, some Italian village. So down for that second. I know I get the next pick. I get the next pick. I'm going to steal this one from you because I know you want to do it. I'm going to go to. I don't even know if this is what it's called. Whatever the darts international Championship is with the British guy saying 180. I want to go there. Yeah, I want to go there.

[Travis Kelsey]

And that should have been our first. I'm an idiot.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right. Where are you going? PDC World Championships.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm going with. What is that called? You probably don't even want to do this, but I want to do this. The Ascot races in. In London, it's, like, equivalent to what the Derby would be in.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm so down for that. What are you talking about?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You wouldn't. You didn't know about it, though.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, I definitely don't know what it is, but I'm in. All right. What's your next pick?

[Travis Kelsey]

What's my next pick? Is it for fourth round?

[Jason Kelsey]

Fourth round.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh. I've always wanted to go to, like, the. What are they called? The. The. The Red Bull. Like, derby racing. The derby carts. The. Where they go off of the. The edge. I forget when.

[Jason Kelsey]

You gotta fly as long as possible.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes. It's like. I think they have something like. Like. Like the X Games, but for, like, random events like that. I could be wrong about this, but.

[Jason Kelsey]

Flutag is what that one is called. I think Bo Allen did it last year. All right, I get two more picks. My last two picks. I'm going to go and get into the winter. I'm going Winter Olympics. I've been to the Summer Olympics. Winter Olympics is high up there. We went to the Winter X Games a few years back, and I'm like, man, this was awesome. I hear something about being in cold that I just love being a part of. So the next one, I'm going and I'm staying cold, and I'm doing the Iditarod.

[Travis Kelsey]

You have to explain it, which is.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's. I think it's the longest, like, dog racing event in the world. And they do, like, these sled dogs, and they got to go all up and down Alaska.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jason Kelsey]

Remember the movie Balto? No, I think something. He has something to do with it. Anyways, I'm in on the idea road.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. I was just gonna say the Olympics in general, because I haven't been to the Olympics, but I guess I gotta say the Summer Olympics.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was awesome. You're gonna love it when you get to go.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. Well, everybody tell us who won that one or who got the better draft.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was also thinking about Ryder cup in the Open. Ryder cup would be electric. I've heard from so many people. And then the Open. I've been to the Masters. I've done the US Open. The Open would be pretty awesome to go over there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

Especially. It's just like St. Andrews or something like that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Another one for me would be the World Cup. I haven't been to the World cup yet.

[Jason Kelsey]

I've done that down in Brazil. That was awesome. Big time. Recommend it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'll be doing it next year. 2026. Kansas City, Missouri, baby. Let's go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is Kansas City a host city?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, it is.

[Jason Kelsey]

So is Philly.

[Travis Kelsey]

How about that For Kansas City to be, you know, I mean, Midwest town. We had enough stadiums. Shout out to Hunts. Whoever hunts Brittany. Brittany. Mahomes has a stadium here as well.

[Jason Kelsey]

Are they playing the game. What stadium are they playing the games at?

[Travis Kelsey]

Arrowhead, for sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

Not gonna lie. I think I won this pretty hands down.

[Travis Kelsey]

Running of the bulls.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is somebody really going to say they'd rather go watch F1 Monaco than a bunch of bulls run over people? Like, what person in their right mind doesn't want to see people get decapitated by bulls? I don't understand.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't think. Jason. There's, like, one clip of, like, the bulls hitting somebody.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's out of your mind.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't think it happens all the time. Time.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're. It happens every year, Travis.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, I know it happens every year, but I don't think, like, bulls are just, like, mowing down thousands of people. Like, you make it seem like you see one video of it every year, and it's like one person gets smoked.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think to part the fact that you get to participate. Here's the difference. F1 Monaco. They put me in F1 car, and I'm not going around that track running because I'm not an F1 driver. I don't drive for Team Ferrari.

[Travis Kelsey]

That doesn't mean you can't get in the car and drive.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't drive, so I can't run in the race. Running of the bulls. I can just go there. Anybody can go participate in the race.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, you're right.

[Jason Kelsey]

If you're willing to.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're not about to act like I'm a coward, because I'm not. I don't want to do that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I just think it sounds more fun. Sounds way More exciting.

[Travis Kelsey]

You got. You got me on the Paleo.

[Jason Kelsey]

That seems exciting, doesn't it?

[Travis Kelsey]

That looks exciting and it looks fun. And there's a winner.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. All right, what about Darts League versus Ask? I'll give you Ascot race. I do want to see the Darts league, but Ascot races are probably a bigger event.

[Travis Kelsey]

The Fluke. The Flu Tag Winter Olympics. I might have lost the draft on that one, but I do want to do that.

[Jason Kelsey]

It does sound fun. I mean, I want.

[Travis Kelsey]

If there's more events around the entire Red Bull stuff that weekend, I don't. I. Fuck that. Whoever said Fluke Tag? Because I said the Red Bull, like, event.

[Jason Kelsey]

I just don't know. How's Accelerator gonna feel about you freaking. Well, we need to get some.

[Travis Kelsey]

We need to get a event like that. Damn it. And Accelerator uses healthy or not necessarily organic, but natural.

[Jason Kelsey]

Natural. Natural. Plant based.

[Travis Kelsey]

Accelerator uses sustained energy with plant based thermogenics. Red Bull doesn't do that. They just got a really fun event called the Fluke Tag.

[Jason Kelsey]

Good timing. Good timing. Really. Just perfect product placement.

[Travis Kelsey]

Cotton candy, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got to do some events with garage Beer. Garage Beer is like. We got to do latch on, like, you know, I don't know if it's, you know, hobby horsing or whatever it is, but let's get our. Let's. Let's celebrate people's fandoms. Right? All right, cool. Well, those are our lists, 92 percenters. Let us hear your. Let us know your lists and who you think wins.

[Travis Kelsey]

Before we get to our convo with the cap expert, time for a couple no dumb questions. Cause there's no such thing as dumb questions. Just dumb people. All right, here we go. Our no dumb question is from Christy Tay's servant. Okay, if you had to swap lives with one of your podcast guests for 48 hours, who would you pick and what would you do? I got my answer. Who do you got?

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, if you have your answer, why don't you go? Because I don't know if my answer is yet.

[Travis Kelsey]

My answer is LeBron James, because I want to play in the NBA. I've always wanted to play in the NBA. A dream that I've always had as a kid, and I would love to know what that dream actually feels like. And to be able to jump as high as he can and slam the ball in the basketball hoop as hard as he can. I would also love to know what that feels like as well.

[Jason Kelsey]

Man, are we swapping with them right now or swapping with them in their prime?

[Travis Kelsey]

I think right now, bud.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, if it's right now, I guess probably go Adam Sandler, the Sandman. Probably go Sandman.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's a good one.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, I'd go. I mean, it's a tough one because I'd go with any of the comedy guys that we've had on because I just think it seems like such fun lives and being able to be creative and bring things to life. So either him, Will, Ferrell, Stiller, any of those guys. Sudeikis, I think. And also like, think like that. To have that kind of mind would be fun to think about for 48 hours. If it's anybody in the prime though, I'm going Arnold.

[Travis Kelsey]

Damn, we've had some guests, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Arnold in his prime, dude. I mean, it's hard to go anything better than that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just be useful.

[Jason Kelsey]

Be useful. Honored. Alrighty, that's it for no dumb questions. You can submit no dumb questions in the comments on social or give us a call at 929-399-7260. That's 929-399-7260.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

What's my restaurant vibe? I like, you know, I like a good steakhouse. I do. I like a steakhouse or like a burger diner.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, I am in on burger places.

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[Jason Kelsey]

I haven't. I have it upstairs. My cousin loves Accelerator and she made me promise that I'd give her a cotton candy. So I'm actually saving it for her.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Like, you know, to check your gas tank before heading to your your morning commute.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Like, you know to check if you have your keys first before shutting your front door.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, you know, to check if you've saved a big project first before closing your laptop.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, you know to check if you packed your running shoes first before heading to the gym. That'll get you.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

It's now time for dumb questions with cap expert Jake Rosenberg.

[Travis Kelsey]

Because there's no such thing as dumb questions unless you're dumb people.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, unless you're us and you're talking to somebody who's an expert. We've always wanted to get to talking to some people with actual knowledge in the NFL level to one, expand our knowledge, but also for you 92 percenters out there that want to learn more about the NFL and everything that happens within it. So we put a question out to you. How many of you would be interested in a salary cap episode? There was a lot of interest, so we're bringing on a salary cap expert. Our guest today is former Eagles Vice President of Football Administration, Jake Rosenberg. Welcome, Jake Rosenberg. What's up, Jake? How we doing?

[D]

Great. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.

[Jason Kelsey]

Welcome to the show. Jake, please introduce yourself to the 92 percenters.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, what is it? What is your job? What is the VP of football administration? What does that job title, like, include?

[D]

It's a cap guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[D]

Yeah, I think it probably varies all over the league. For me, I worked real closely with Howie on ultimately, like, everything pertaining to the roster, but most importantly, overseeing all the contract negotiations, dealing with all the agents, making sure we were never over the cap, and, you know, a lot of the planning on that side. So, like the finance, anything that involves money in the players, not the business stuff, not budgeting, but just all of the aspects of Paying players negotiating those contracts.

[Jason Kelsey]

Are you excited to make the salary cap fun and interesting for our guests?

[Travis Kelsey]

It's an incredible challenge.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, well, let's start off with this first question. What is the salary cap?

[D]

So the salary cap, simply put, is just a limit on what every team can spend to pay their players. Okay, now that might sound like a budget, except there are rules that differ from a normal budget. So there is cash, what you pay your players in a given year, and then there's the way it's accounted for. And that's what the salary cap is. That's where we start getting into the fund.

[Travis Kelsey]

How does it differ from accounted for and unaccounted for?

[D]

There are the easiest, like the most commonly used factors. There's certain ways to pay players, like a signing bonus or certain ways to guarantee money. And then that prorates, meaning you split that up equally over the life of the contract. So to make it as simple as possible, if you give a player a $10 million signing bonus, it's a five year contract. That would count 2, 2, 22 2, even though the player got 10.

[Travis Kelsey]

Gotcha. That makes sense.

[D]

So a player could get 10 in cash, but there's only two accounted for of that signing bonus in a year.

[Jason Kelsey]

How does that affect how teams navigate what they are allowed to spend within a given year?

[D]

Within this, there's strategy. Right. If you don't use any of that proration, let's say you don't use that at all. You choose to count every single penny you spend on a player in this year. And the salary cap, for the sake of this exercise, we'll just say is $250 million, you would be limited to spending $250 million paid out to players in a year. However, because you're able to prorate, if you wanted to spend significantly more than 250 million in a year, you could. And teams desire to spend more. And how much more determines their strategy to some extent on how much they want to use that. Yeah, if that makes sense. And so as you spend more than the 250, you're sort of accumulating accounting out into the future.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Without getting too into the weeds, how do you navigate how much money you're willing to put out into the future? Which player? Because all of this money that we just said it is prorated is essentially guaranteed. Even though there's different levels of guarantee, how do you decide how much you're willing to say, like, hey, we're going to spend this much in cash, but in the future this is going to hurt us versus how much we want to be strict to the budget this year.

[D]

I guess this process would. Would vary at different teams, I imagine. And ultimately there's somebody owns the team and someone is making a determination on how much they are willing to spend in a given year. Even though there's 32 very large, very valuable 5, $6 billion at a minimum clubs.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[D]

Each owner makes that determination on their own and gives it to their football operation and their general manager, cap guy, etc. Would figure out how to do that and how to create a sustainable strategy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice, right.

[D]

If that makes sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

It does.

[Travis Kelsey]

So in terms of the prorate system, guy signs a $10 million signing bonus. They prorated over the next whatever, five years of the contract. 22222. That 10 million is the signing bonus. So you get it there or does it. Do you get paid as the pro rate?

[D]

Right. The payment of the signing bonus is completely independent of the accounting of the signing bonus.

[Jason Kelsey]

Got you from a salary cap standpoint.

[D]

Correct. There are teams who defer signing bonuses even in cash. Out past a year or more.

[Jason Kelsey]

Out past a year. I've never heard of that.

[D]

That exists.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Wow. Okay. I mean, I guess one of them would be. That happened in baseball with Otanis. Right. That's like a max, like to get a whole nother level of deferred payment.

[D]

Ohtani's, that whole deferral thing. Yeah, that's a whole nother whole. Another. Yeah, there's no salary cap in baseball for sure. Why there's a salary cap is precisely to avoid. To avoid base baseball to a large extent.

[Travis Kelsey]

So who does. Who does the CAB benefit more?

[D]

The cap benefit. You're saying more players versus team.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Players versus team, clearly. Team.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't think there's a question about that. But I would also say though it also benefits the fans to a large extent because it makes it more fair not for a salary cap. Not to say this is 100. It's not the wealthiest owners necessarily are going to spend the most cash. That actually is not really the case, Dallas.

[Jason Kelsey]

Wow. Okay.

[D]

But I think that there, it does. Does maintain some competitive balance where if you, you know, Green Bay would be a smaller market, New York, a larger market. It ensures that there's not a huge competitive issue between those teams.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'll ask this, I'll ask this. This. A lot of this debate came up when the Cincinnati Bengals essentially allocated over what like $300 million to three players on the offense or more than that. A ton of money to three players on the offense. Yeah.

[D]

Yep.

[Jason Kelsey]

Done. Precise.

[Travis Kelsey]

I really want to know when those contracts come out and it hits the TV world and it hits the media world and you see the guarantees and you see how much the cap is and you see what is the most number that you could see come across your. The ticker.

[D]

Yeah, the most. I mean tied for bullshit. Because it's basically the same is the average in the total of the deal.

[Jason Kelsey]

They're nonsense. Right.

[D]

And most of the time. Correct. And the reason that that's all bullshit. It all goes back to one simple thing is that without money explicitly being guaranteed or being negotiated to be guaranteed within the deal, it's not right. So when they throw out a total, inevitably that includes a whole bunch of unguaranteed money which depending on how far into the future, what type of player, the age of the player, all that may have next to no to no probability that they ever see it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

How much of these numbers are manipulated by agents and or teams to make it appear publicly like a player is a top paid player. But the reality of such is that it's not that contract teams don't have.

[D]

A lot of incentive to manipulate the.

[Travis Kelsey]

Numbers except for to make the player happy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Maybe make them happy. Right. Like.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, like you got made Jason happy his last contract.

[D]

Jason, are you saying that your last contract was bullshit?

[Travis Kelsey]

Is that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm very happy with the contracts I'm signed.

[D]

I went back and looked.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, we did.

[D]

We signed. You and i8 contracts. My. My name and your name were on.

[Travis Kelsey]

Together 2014 for yeah Baby.

[D]

Now you're a rookie deal. That was a year before I got there.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's good right there. Shout out to Jay Bernstein, man.

[D]

One of those deals. I don't know if you remember this. We signed on the hood of my car in the parking lot. My son's baseball practice, outside of the baseball practice.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's the way Jason does. All right. That doesn't. He wears flip flops in the winter. You know what I mean? He's that kind of guy. He's like, oh yeah, wherever.

[D]

I think you're on your way to the airport. And I'm in. It was like an indoor place. And all of a sudden I hear a few kids and murmurs. They're like, is that Jason Kelsey in the window? And I was like, oh God. And I like ran outside. We signed it on my, my. The hood of my car.

[Jason Kelsey]

I remember that. That was awesome.

[Travis Kelsey]

Everyone thinks there's this luxury. Jay flew Jason in on a plane and he got, you know, walked into the. The office of the owner. No, just meet me at the ballpark over here while my kids playing. That's so funny.

[D]

So going back to like what you said about the bullshit because I think this is good to talk about.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[D]

The difference between fully guaranteed, partially guaranteed, and then the complete bullshit that we're talking about makes it like almost impossible to know what the actual deal is. Unless you know more than just the average in the total.

[Jason Kelsey]

You would have to see legitimately the deal in front of you to know the ins and outs of it. Yeah.

[D]

When they say fully guaranteed, I think it's safe to say that you, you know that legitimately is fully guaranteed. But once you get past that, anything goes. And a lot of times they'll also not even is it just not guaranteed. But they will include money that is based on incentives. And the incentives could be very practical and possible to something totally ridiculous out of left field that's even more. Less likely to be earned than just the salary.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right. What's an example of something that's fully guaranteed? An example of something that would say guarantee but really isn't guaranteed.

[D]

Correct. So this is where we got to be a little careful to not sure make people's eyes start glazing over here.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[D]

Fully guaranteed literally means unless you totally up and like, you know where you've done something very wrong and basically your guarantees go away. They can't. You're going to get that money.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. There's nothing to do with on field performance. This is more like there's something like a crime committed or an injury.

[D]

For violation of a bunch of policies like stuff like that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[D]

There's such a thing called injury guarantees, right?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[D]

Injury guarantees, if they have no other guarantees that that go with them, don't really help all that much.

[Jason Kelsey]

Injuries.

[D]

Because the reality is most players injuries do not last long enough from one season to the next where you can't find a spot not the players healthy and to cut them. So that would be. When something just has an injury guarantee, it's not all that protective.

[Jason Kelsey]

Interesting.

[D]

If that makes sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

It does. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

When you see average like fans of the NFL on. On any of these social medias say that the cap is not real. How close and true is that?

[D]

That I think that's more true for some teams than others, if that makes sense.

[Travis Kelsey]

Interesting.

[D]

I think the truth is if all you cared about was winning every game, you know, was really like winning was singularly the most important thing your owner was committed to spending balls to the Wall crazy cash all the time. And you were just going to be super aggressive. I think that's largely the case. Yeah, you could, you may eventually get yourself into some real trouble.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right.

[D]

But I think for other teams, they don't want to be in that situation. They're a lot more, I don't know if responsible or cheap. Both of those are words you could.

[Jason Kelsey]

Use in the eye of the beholder.

[Travis Kelsey]

If the average fan wants to sound smarter on, on social media or in conversation, what are the terms that they should be focusing on and learning?

[Jason Kelsey]

There we go.

[D]

Well, I think anytime they talk about a contract, they should look to see how much is guaranteed because that gives an element of like how authentic those numbers are.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[D]

I think they should be careful when you see, you know, just to go back the, these big numbers are put out by agents largely and then the agents are in a super competitive recruiting environment to try to get more players. Yeah. They think it helps them to say, hey, look what I got, so and so. Look what I got, so and so.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep.

[D]

Even if it never is intended to work that way and teams will help them in ways where it helps get a deal done.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep.

[D]

This is as an example. If an agent feels like he needs to get a player to a certain number so it looks better and you know, realistically this player is only going to play say two years, you may do a three or four year deal and those year three and year four may be significantly higher.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right? Yeah.

[D]

But like this is, this is where you're basically playing off the fact that this isn't guaranteed money.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right.

[D]

So if it goes 5, 5, 20, 20 now it's a 4 year, $50 million deal where realistically it's only a 2 year, $10 million deal.

[Jason Kelsey]

Exactly. That's a great example. Example. That's well put. That people can hold on to.

[Travis Kelsey]

Don't believe everything you read, kids.

[D]

So, right. Free agency. When you see 4 year, 50 million dollar deal with 10 million guaranteed, you should say bullshit.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, right on it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Good deal. I want to be very clear though. I have done a lot of deals with Jake, as you said. I'm very happy with all those deals. Jason Bernstein, if you're paying attention, you did a great job.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jay Byrne.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, we got one more here.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, one more. Does college football need a salary cap?

[D]

Oh man. I mean there is effectively a salary cap coming in terms of rev chair, depending on this settlement being approved or whatever.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, wow.

[D]

I think college football does need a salary cap if they want to stay competitive where, you know, you have More than one conference or two conferences that are competing at the highest level because.

[Travis Kelsey]

The big schools are eventually going to be able to just pay for these. These kids. Like. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

My big thing though, with college football too is I feel like this idea of the portal opening up every two times a year and there's no. There's gotta be like some type of contract signed on the player's behalf. They have too much power. We've reverted to like the complete opposite of what was the case, which everybody can acknowledge. What was the case was not fair at all. Yeah, but now it's like, dude, there needs to be some type of commitment here from the player side for like a two to three year contract. And I don't know what that is, but that just seems like it makes sense to me on something that would be something fair for both sides of what's happening in college sports.

[D]

Yeah, it's. It's a, it's a crazy. You think about in the NFL and the good teams and the continuity of the best players. You know, in college now you have two portals. One portal, the winter portal, opens while bowl season is still like in full swing. So you have players coming and going. And now you're in spring, you're in spring portal time, where some of the players who signed or stayed in the winter and took money are now like, all they've done is participated in the spring and now they're already out the door.

[Travis Kelsey]

Crazy.

[D]

And you have coaches who are still trying to win games. Like the basketball portal opened while the NCAA tournament was still going on. And so coaches are recruiting new players, losing existing players, and still trying to win tournament games.

[Travis Kelsey]

Absolutely insane.

[D]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, hopefully they figure it out. Thank you for coming on, dog. We appreciate it, brother.

[D]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

That shit was fun, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is there anything else that we missed that you think is pertinent for people to understand about salary cap or any of this stuff?

[D]

I mean, list was like, you know, fraction of 1%. I'm sure there's more stuff, but, you know, as far as how teams manage and player, this is largely the case. I mean, I think, think that's why in the beginning of free agency, when you guys start talking about all this, it's hard to just take surface level numbers. And the people who report on all this stuff, you know, they're trying to get information and they get information by having good relationships with agents. And so there isn't necessarily like competitive balance there either. You know, it's. It's a system. It's a machine. And everyone sort of has some vested interest. Yeah, you gotta take everything with a grain of salt. Like everything else in life, I guess.

[Travis Kelsey]

There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, Jake, thanks so much for helping me.

[Travis Kelsey]

Appreciate you, brother.

[Jason Kelsey]

That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jake Rosenberg for joining us. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the new Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast. You us a new episode of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus and the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts once again.

[Travis Kelsey]

New Heights of Wondry show produced by Wave Sports and entertainment and brought to you by Suave Men. That's right, that no nonsense. That's what you're looking for right there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Special announcement. We will be back Friday with a special guest episode. You're not going to want to miss this NBA playoff starting. It's a fun one. Do you want me to tease who it is?

[Travis Kelsey]

I just did.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

Follow the show on social media at new height show with 1s. Thanks to our production and crew. As always, ways you're gonna have your hands full for this one. And to the 92 pretenders for tuning in. We'll see you guys next week. You see my lumen computer?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's sick. Oh, I'm jealous.

[Travis Kelsey]

They. They sent me a senior refiner Audi gifting memo.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, so I got some gifts in there. It's pretty sweet for my inner. My inner is. He seems to be very active.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you have an innie?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jason, you have an inn.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is this my innie or is this my Audi? Are we just living in a simulation?

[Jason Kelsey]

Would your any be at the on the field you turn into the any Travis Kelsey?

[Travis Kelsey]

Ooh, that. Yeah, that would be my innie. Even though I remember my last game.

[Jason Kelsey]

So now, unfortunately, I'd the pain has not been erased.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, exactly. Follow New Heights on the Wonder app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to New Heights early and ad free. Plus enjoy exclusive episodes of the show by joining Wondry plus in the Wonder app, Apple podcasts or Spotify today.

[Jason Kelsey]

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