Bills New Coach, Championship Preview, Wedding Advice & The New Era of TEs with Greg Olsen | EP 176

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Bills New Coach, Championship Preview, Wedding Advice & The New Era of TEs with Greg Olsen"

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce | EP 176 (January 21, 2026)

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Episode Overview

This episode of New Heights features NFL greats Jason and Travis Kelce joined by elite tight end and broadcaster Greg Olsen. Together, they cover a packed slate: reaction to NFL Divisional Round action, deep dive into head coach changes (especially in Buffalo), preview of the Championship round, tight end talk, inside scoop from Greg's coaching and broadcasting life, plus Greg’s trademark wedding advice and more. As always, the brothers blend genuine football insight with humor, brotherly banter, and some truly memorable stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Merch, Social Media, and Fan Banter

• The Kelces open with fan messages about Kelsey Clubhouse merch and Jason’s foray into TikTok.
• Jason’s "button nose" becomes a running joke (08:16).
• They discuss Swifties’ proficiency with Easter eggs and React to fun online commentary from fans (04:24).

Notable Quote:

"They sure know how to plan them and call them out. All right, what else we got...?" — Jason K. (04:28)

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2. NFL News & Coaching Carousel

Eric Bieniemy Returns to Chiefs

• Travis and Jason react to reports that Eric Bieniemy is returning to the Kansas City Chiefs coaching staff.
• They reminisce on his coaching style, impact on player development, and speculate about his growth during his Chicago/Detroit stint.

Quote:

"I've had so many unbelievable, you know, growing moments under him as a player, as a person, and I just love the guy" — Travis K. (07:05)

Jason Joins TikTok

• Jason shares his awkward entrance onto TikTok, sparking laughter about his nose and lack of social media savvy (08:05–09:12).

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3. Greg Olsen Joins the Show

Greg’s Career & Coaching Middle School Football (12:10–17:29)

• Greg talks about coaching at Charlotte Christian with Luke Kuechly, Jonathan Stewart, and his own father, emphasizing the joy and purpose of coaching kids new to football.
• He highlights the unique learning curve and fulfillment in developing young athletes.

Quote:

"We joke that we coach lunch... We've got to teach them how to buckle their shoulder pads... They can't buckle their helmets." — Greg Olsen (14:38)

On the Value of Diverse Football Experience

• Greg discusses how tight ends, thanks to their exposure to O-line and receiving roles, transition well to coaching and broadcasting.

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4. National Championship & Miami Pride (20:31–25:46)

• Greg, a Miami alum, reflects on Miami’s loss in the college football national championship, pride in the program’s resurgence under coach Mario Cristobal, and the unique energy of Miami football culture.

Quote:

"It wasn't even just that they were good, it was that they were... the bravado that Miami had." — Travis K. (24:11)

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5. Divisional Round Breakdown & Bills' Future (29:12–41:39)

Bills' Coaching Change & Josh Allen Discourse

• The crew analyzes the firing of Sean McDermott and what’s next for Buffalo, emphasizing the complexity of coaching changes and Josh Allen's brilliance but also the roster’s limitations.
• Greg calls for an offensive-minded hire to capitalize on Allen’s talents.

Quote:

"You have a guy like Josh Allen... the roster was elevated by a generationally talented quarterback." — Greg Olsen (32:14)

Handling QB Struggles:

• Greg details how teams should support young QBs—both in-game and offseason—especially after rough playoff performances (35:25–37:19).

Bills Catch Controversy

• They discuss controversial catch rulings, with Greg explaining the call per the rulebook, and Joe Burrow’s viral 'flabbergast' tweet (37:46–38:56).

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6. Coaching Market & Olsen’s Prospects (41:22–44:15)

• The Kelces press Greg on his coaching ambitions. He shares his love for coaching but says he has no imminent plans to pursue an NFL head job, preferring TV and middle school coaching for now.
• They debate which current NFL head coaching role is most enticing (Buffalo and Baltimore are top picks).

Quote:

"You walk into Buffalo, that box is checked for eternity. I can put all of my time and effort into everything else." — Greg Olsen (45:02)

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7. Broncos’ QB Change & Championship Weekend Previews (47:42–54:42)

Nick Foles’ Advice, Stidham as Stopgap

• With Bo Nix injured, Nick Foles tweets tongue-in-cheek encouragement for the Broncos’ backup, Jared Stidham, referencing his own Super Bowl run.

Previewing the NFC

• Seattle’s defense and Rams’ experience are discussed as the likely NFC deciders, with Chicago’s quarterback excitement featured.
• Praise for tight ends emerges, and specific players like Cole Kmet and AJ Barner are highlighted.

Quote:

"I think Seattle's probably the most well-rounded team in the league... to me it's how every defense in the league would want to be created." — Greg Olsen (53:12)

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8. Wedding Advice & Fun Segments with Greg Olsen (63:40–77:30)

Greg’s Top Wedding Tips (64:17)

Top Five Must-Haves:

1. Greg Olsen himself—“If you want it to be memorable… I’m at the top of the list!” (64:21)
2. Short ceremony; keep energy up
3. Great cocktail hour (“I want a little sushi, a little shrimp cocktail… sets the tone”) (65:15)
4. Great music—live band or DJ, just keep dancing
5. Have your people there and get it on video (Greg regrets skipping a videographer)

Rapid-Fire Fun:

• Most eccentric QB: Cam Newton over Jay Cutler—Cam’s unique style and confidence (67:37).
• Underappreciated former teammate: Frank Gore and Julius Peppers get shoutouts (70:09).
• Girl Scout cookies: Thin Mints are unanimously #1, heated discussion on differences between regional versions (72:20).
• Super Bowl 57: Greg praises the Kelsey family, highlighting their openness and sibling dynamic (74:17).

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9. The Evolution and Glory of the Tight End Position (78:22–84:13)

• Greg and the Kelces laud Tight End U and its role in elevating the NFL tight end profile—culturally, financially, and on the field. They discuss the modern “diva” tight end and the explosion of tight end personalities and talent.

Quote:

"Tight ends over my career started being played by the faces of the league... It’s just a different time where it’s OK for the tight end to be the star of your team." — Greg Olsen (81:46)

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10. Welcome to the NFL Moments, Broadcasting Lowlights & Closing Laughs

• Greg’s “Welcome” moment: Getting manhandled as a rookie trying to block Michael Strahan in short yardage (85:33).
• Worst game called: Minnesota at Seattle—when a team had less than 50 yards by halftime (76:09).
• Jason humorously complains about jacket-handling by sideline equipment staff and extolls the importance of good equipment teams in tough weather (91:11).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Greg on coaching middle school:
  “It’s probably like what I enjoy the most... You have to teach them how to buckle their shoulder pads.” (14:53)

• Jason on Greg the broadcaster:
  “My favorite to listen to... This man is the best calling the games right now, and I fucking love every single game that I get to listen to.” (29:21)

• Wedding advice from a pro:
  “You want guys that bring it and can have a lot of fun and can dance with grandma or the bride... We’re very multiple.” — Greg Olsen (64:22)

• On tight end evolution:
  “It’s just a different time where it’s okay for the tight end to be the star of your team, the star of the league, and it wasn’t always like that.” — Greg Olsen (83:46)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:01] – Show opens; Greg Olsen joins
• [08:05] – Jason on TikTok; nose banter
• [12:10] – Greg Olsen full intro & middle school coaching
• [20:31] – National championship, Miami, football culture
• [29:12] – Bills-Broncos, Bills’ coaching changes, Josh Allen analysis
• [37:46] – Catch controversies, Joe Burrow’s tweet
• [41:22] – Bills’ coaching vacancy analysis
• [47:42] – Broncos’ Bo Nix injury, Nick Foles tweet, championship preview
• [53:12] – NFC preview: Seahawks’ defense, Rams, Bears excitement
• [63:40] – Greg’s wedding advice
• [67:37] – Most eccentric QB, shoutouts to former teammates
• [72:20] – Girl Scout cookies debate
• [74:17] – Super Bowl 57 and the “Kelce Super Bowl”
• [78:22] – Tight End U and TE evolution
• [85:33] – Greg’s NFL welcome moment

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Conclusion

Greg Olsen delivers wisdom, entertainment, and stories—whether about his Miami roots, coaching kids, calling games, or the rise of modern tight ends. Jason and Travis infuse the episode with brotherly humor and honest discussion on NFL changes, playoffs, and the quirks of football life. Whether debating which Girl Scout cookie reigns supreme or forecasting the AFC/NFC championship, the episode brims with authentic, high-level football talk and the easy camaraderie that makes “New Heights” a must-listen for NFL fans.

Listen for:

• Real football insight from players and coach-broadcasters
• Iconic tight end tales and personal moments
• Actionable advice—on and off the field

Transcript

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Coming from the natty last night.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah man, I just. I just flew back to Charlotte, was at the game with my family. Appreciate you guys having me on. I feel like this has been a long time coming. This is a career highlight. Every time you guys release like your new episode and I see who you chose over me. Stop it. Hurts the soul just a little bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, stop it.

[Travis Kelsey]

We've been trying to get you on for years. You've been ducking us.

[Greg Olson]

That's not true at all.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm just so glad that we finally free Jeff here for a little divisional football talk.

[Greg Olson]

It's the least I can Do.

[Jason Kelsey]

Welcome back to new heist. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wonder show. That's right. Brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. Dagnamit, if they didn't put together two of my favorites, Reese's cups and Oreo cookies. Go get you some, man. We're your host.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm Travis Kelsey.

[Jason Kelsey]

My big brother Jason. Jason Kelsey.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, sir.

[Jason Kelsey]

Over there with his cowboy hat on.

[Travis Kelsey]

You city slicker. Turn cuddles for real.

[Jason Kelsey]

Subscribe on YouTube laundry plus and or wherever you get your podcast. Follow the show on all social media for fun stuff throughout the week. Don't Forget that Kelsey clubhouse.com for anything new heights. And Kelsey, Jason, you want to tell everybody what we have coming up on this wonderful episode?

[Travis Kelsey]

92%. We got a great episode for y' all are gonna go around out right here. We got everything from the division around and we're going to get everything coming up in the championship round and we got our. My defying friend, Mr. Greg Olson. Don't stop by the show, but before we get into any of that, we're getting a little bit of that new news. New news is brought to you by American Express. First bit of new news. We got some great reactions from the Kelsey clubhouse Thanks to United 2 percenters from Steph. Also, the Kelsey clubhouse is a gag and I love the green hoodie, but I can't believe none of the new hoodies are called new heights of man hoodie. I don't know what the that means, but she's disappointed. What does that mean? What's a man hoodie? Is that. Is that a thing?

[Jason Kelsey]

New heights of manhood.

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you familiar with man hoodie?

[Brandon]

I'll just say it's a life of a showgirl reference. Boys, come on.

[Jason Kelsey]

Man hoodie to lyric.

[Brandon]

New heights of manhood. It is the time we were referenced in the album.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right. New heights of manhood. So a man hoodie.

[Brandon]

So they made man hoodie. You get it?

[Travis Kelsey]

Got it. All right, now. I get it.

[Jason Kelsey]

There you go.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right. Thanks, Brandon.

[Jason Kelsey]

I didn't understand that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right over our heads.

[Jason Kelsey]

Taylor's going to kill me for not.

[Travis Kelsey]

Knowing that we're not as good with the Easter eggs as these swifties.

[Jason Kelsey]

They sure know how to plan them and call them out. All right, what else we got from dream? The pathological people pleaser Saber Babe 13, who sounds like she's from Buffalo. I love that it's on Amazon. What a huge win for me. Prime shipping, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hey, it is nice. It is a very nice feature.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, it's honestly changed the world of ordering things. Amazon is like freaking insane.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's wild. It's annoying. Not shipping with that.

[Jason Kelsey]

They have literally everything on there. You can search it in the little search bar and you got a plethora of items that you could choose from that they do.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, From Pop takes. My new height show T shirt arrived from the Kelsey clubhouse and it's so nice. Great quality. Can't wait to wear it out of the house. I wonder which one they got. The golden baby quality is unreal. That's. I love that shirt.

[Jason Kelsey]

The new heights. All right. I shirt that I was wearing last week, dude, I was wearing that all fucking day. Might have slept in it.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, no judgment. No judgment. All right, from killer Scorpio. I need crew neck new heights sweaters. Brandon. Brandon, this is somebody calling you out. Who does. Who do they have to bag? Well, ironically, it's probably not Brandon.

[Jason Kelsey]

We'll work on it. Well, I like a good.

[Travis Kelsey]

When it goes crew, I like a.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice knit crew neck, you know, a nice little fabric crew neck. So we might have to get that in there. We're working on these. And if you haven't, please check out all the great new [e-mail] and as.

[Travis Kelsey]

Of right now, this is officially, unofficially new news, but it looks like Eric B. Will be back with the Kansas City Chiefs. Trav, you and I have talked about this a lot. I know EB Was a huge part of this offensive success for a while in Kansas City. You offered a lot of. Not just great offensive schematic coaching and play calling, but I just. I mean, he's. He's going to coach you hard, and sometimes that's exactly what you need. How do you feel about this?

[Jason Kelsey]

I love that. I think it's great. I think it's. A marriage is going to pick up right where it left off. EB and who he is as a. As a coach, you can see kind of his personality, what he brings to this table in that Chicago team. I know Ben Johnson has his own version of that. He's a very tough guy. And what he did in. In Detroit he brought over as well. And you can see those running backs over Chicago and their. Their body of work was. Was definitely Eric B. Enemy style of football, man. And hell yeah, I can't wait to see him back in the building, man. He's one of. He's one of my favorite coaches of all time, one of my favorite people of all time. I've had so many unbelievable, you know, growing moments under him as a. As a player, as a person, and I just love the guy. And. And it's going to be awesome to see him back in the building and see him back wearing the. The Chiefs logo, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what he learned while with Ben Johnson. I mean, I think he's probably one of the most creative minds right now, coaching the game on the offensive side of the ball. And to be in a building with that guy, I can't. I wouldn't. I'd be picking eb's brain. I'd be like, yo, man, what. What'd you learn? What do you think? Then I also, like, you know, how has Eb changed as a coach? Is he going to rip his shirt off? Are we going to see a shirtless EB after a game hyping the offense up? I want to see it be enemy. I want to see those tits out. New tits.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who knows, man?

[Travis Kelsey]

Maybe.

[Jason Kelsey]

Maybe he's elevated. He's taking his game to new heights in that regard. But it'll be awesome to see him back with the Chiefs final piece of new news. Jason has joined tikt.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right, Travis. I finally have finally done it. I have two videos. I think they're both very high quality. I was in Huntington, West Virginia, and saw this Frost Stop root beer mug.

[Jason Kelsey]

What the fuck were you doing in Huntington, West Virginia?

[Travis Kelsey]

That should be disclosed at a later date, but I was enjoying myself. I like the newest one. The newest one's. I like this one.

[Jason Kelsey]

Where the fuck is your nose so big?

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a optical illusion.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, man. Dude, they're so good.

[Travis Kelsey]

I made that one just for you, Trev.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love those goddamn candies. God damn it. I love those.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. So I'm on TikTok. I don't know what I'm doing. I really don't understand how it works.

[Jason Kelsey]

You really do have, like a button nose. Like, that nose is. You got like a real. Like. We got like a little marble on the end of your nose there.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's just an illusion, I think, right?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Kind of like a round tip of the tip of the nose.

[Travis Kelsey]

I feel I get close up like that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, wow.

[Travis Kelsey]

I kind of got that look at nose. How about that? Yeah. Now who's got the big nose?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's just an Egg Kelsey thing, huh? Because I definitely got egg Kelsey sn.

[Travis Kelsey]

That rosacea or whatever that stuff is called. What the doctor started yelling at him for, like, going out in the sun too much and not wearing sunscreen.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're not part Croatian. You Got to be. You're not meant for the sun like that. You're. You're Irish.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're up there in them UK islands. You don't need to be out in the sun like that.

[Jason Kelsey]

The Welsh side of you. You need to be inside or at.

[Travis Kelsey]

Least cover that nose. Just wear a hat.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, well, let's not make fun of new news brought to you by American Express. Well, let's keep this thing moving into some bold topics to wrap up the divisional weekend that we just experienced. And I think we should do it with a friend.

[Travis Kelsey]

Love that idea.

[Jason Kelsey]

A fellow tight end.

[Greg Olson]

You.

[Travis Kelsey]

We need the expert of experts.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's the only expert that I trust with anything in life.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm sorry. To whoever's air pods these are, because I am a waxy eared guy. Let me tell you. You have no idea what you signed up for.

[Greg Olson]

I' shared sweaty towels. I've shared a lot of things I'm not proud of. I don't think I could put another man's AirPods in my ear. Do you ever look in your case, like, do you ever open this?

[Jason Kelsey]

And, oh, I got to get the Q tips. I got to clean that out, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

I've had to clean them.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, it's ugly. It's ugly.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll just toss them and buy a new pair. I'll just eat the. Oh, yeah, A thousand bucks for a new pair.

[Greg Olson]

Just be like, dude, that's like ultimate rich guy move right there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Because I'll do. I'll get the haircut and then put them in and then. So then you got wax on top of hair.

[Greg Olson]

It's a dangerous game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Get some aperol spritzes last night at the game or what?

[Greg Olson]

I would hammer an aperol spritz right now. Can we just meet up and just get a platter of apparel spritzes and just hammer them?

[Travis Kelsey]

That sounds great. I don't know if you know this Greg, but there's another person named Greg Olson on Twitter. And for some reason I just, like, was getting their stuff on my homepage and they were sending out like a lot of like, like dry January, like, no more drinking. I was like, is Greg gone? Is he. Is he giving up the sauce? And I thought it was you. For like three days. I was telling people. I was like, dude, I think Greg's going through some stuff. I don't really know what's happening right now.

[Greg Olson]

Cleanse never hurt anybody. Listen, if I was supposed to do dry January that lasted 25 minutes.

[Travis Kelsey]

Alrighty. Stop wasting Greg's time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you for the time, big guy. This has been a long time coming, man. I've never been here, man.

[Greg Olson]

Appreciate you guys having me on. I feel like this has been a long time coming. This is a career highlight. Every time you guys release like your new episode and I see who you chose over me, it hurts the soul just a little bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, stop it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Stop. We've been trying to get you on for years. You've been ducking.

[Jason Kelsey]

Busy, man. You're busy.

[Greg Olson]

Not true at all.

[Jason Kelsey]

All the weekend ball coaching that you do.

[Travis Kelsey]

True.

[Jason Kelsey]

Just you're. You're a tied up individual, man. And I'm just so glad that we finally freed you up here for a little divisional football talk.

[Greg Olson]

At least I could do.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, I'm going to do this intro and we'll get to this very unserious discussion between three slaptics. Sound good?

[Greg Olson]

Sounds right up my alley.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's do this. All righty.

[Travis Kelsey]

We got a very special guest to help us wrap up the division, right? Our guest today is the 6 foot 5 tight end out of the University of Miami. He's the first round pick in the 2007 draft. He played 14 season in the NFL, three time Pro Bowler, two time All Pro, first tight end in NFL history to record three consecutive seasons with at least 1,000 yards receiving. He's a founding member of tight endu and he is also a two time Emmy winning broadcaster for Fox Sports. Please give us a giant welcome, 92 percenters to the best tight end on this podcast right now, Mr. Greg Olson.

[Greg Olson]

Listen, I've been a part of some cool in my day. I've watched you do intros over a lot of episodes on this pod for a lot of really famous people. And I'm not going to lie, I've laid in bed at night being like, I wonder what my intro would be. I wonder the energy. Is it the same when you introduce the rock as it is when you introduce me?

[Jason Kelsey]

Even more?

[Greg Olson]

I have to say, everything that I dreamed of it being, it was better. It was better. Especially a guy in a cowboy hat in a saloon.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's in character right now.

[Travis Kelsey]

Bit out of place right now.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, dude, you're right where you need to be.

[Greg Olson]

Do a great monologue. You do a great open. Dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, I'm trying. It's the best. He did. You did blackout. So you forgot to mention that he's the head coach of the undefeated Charlotte Christian middle school football team, baby. Let's go boys. Let's go boys.

[Greg Olson]

Now, now. You know you've made it in life you want to do something cool? Go coach middle school football.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's go.

[Greg Olson]

That's how you know you've made it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Honestly, what is, what is it like coaching middle school football?

[Greg Olson]

It's amazing. It is the. Of all the shit that we do, it's probably like what I enjoy the most, right? So what's cool about the age group is so it's at the kids school, like, like Trav said, Charlotte Christian, It's A K through 12 school here in Charlotte. They've got a good program. So me, Lou Keakley, Jonathan Stewart and my dad, we've coached it the last couple years. Stu's kids go there, my kids go there. Luke has no kids. He's just been coaching with me for years. When we started when my two boys were little. So we've been doing it over there. And what's cool is, unlike the other sports, a lot of kids nowadays aren't playing football until middle school, right? The days of growing up in first, second grade. So when we have these kids show up to our first practices in the summer, I mean, we joke that we like coach lunch. Like, we got to teach them how to buckle their shoulder pads. We got to teach them, you know, you got kids, they're like, kidding me. They can't buckle their helmets now. They got those like rat. Now the new fancy helmets, you know, they have like the ratchet. The ratchet straps.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

So like stuck in their helmet, they can't get their helmets off. So like there's. It's amazing where we start.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can't see what this thing is.

[Greg Olson]

It's literally we, we are the little giants. And you know, so a lot of the kids, I would say, well, more than half have never played football. They might have played a little flag, a little seven of them, but. And then by the end of the year, after a long time, all summer, all fall, a lot of workouts and a lot of training, like, what we're able to do with these, you know, call it 13 to 15 year old boys is, man, it's just such a great age. They take it all in. They want to be coached, they want to be pushed. It's everything you guys remember. Like it's the, the most wholesome version of football you can imagine. And we live for it, man. We love it.

[Jason Kelsey]

You got three all pros on your coaching staff. That is.

[Travis Kelsey]

How lucky are these freaking kids? Oh my gosh.

[Jason Kelsey]

The parents in the school districts that you guys are playing gotta be like, this is unfair.

[Greg Olson]

You can't do this. We get after it. Pretty good. Yeah. We, we always joke with Stu, so he's done this for the last two years. And you know, at the young age, your really good players are your running backs, right? So we joke like, how nice is it for Stu? Like you just get to walk in and you just get to coach like the best three athletes in the school that are like, you just give them the ball every time, you know? But yeah, yeah. And then Luke's out there teaching guys like fit, gap fits and how we set the front.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh yeah. Cover.

[Greg Olson]

I mean it's, it's cool. And then. And my dad who's out there, he's 73 years old. He was me and my brother's high school.

[Jason Kelsey]

73.

[Greg Olson]

He's the youngest, he's the youngest 73 year old you've ever met. He, he was a 40 year high school football coach. Me and my brothers all played for.

[Jason Kelsey]

Him back home, so we lean on him, man.

[Greg Olson]

Amazing.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's so much fun.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's amazing, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Me and Jason, we talk about this with our, our really more so with our college buddies that, that than anybody else, but we talk about it all the time. Like one day just getting into like a middle school, high school coaching deal and it's just the fact that you got to do it with the gu. Played with two men and your father that's got to be so epic, man.

[Greg Olson]

Do it. If you guys get a chance to do it, I promise, like of all the cool that you get to do and the experiences and all that, like the purpose and the connection and seeing these young boys like grow up in front of your eyes and like the light go off, it's, it's pretty special. And like we, we look, we can't wait.

[Jason Kelsey]

We'll.

[Greg Olson]

We'll start here after spring sports end and we'll get back ripping into the summers and everything. But it's, it's everything you think it is, it's even better.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's awesome. Do you find that former tight ends and linebackers make the best coaches? Because you guys kind of got to know everything on both sides of the.

[Greg Olson]

Ball, you know, it's. I talk about. Because people ask me that a lot about like the TV stuff, right? So like, I think what's unique about tight end and even what you guys did with the offensive line, we sat, I just think back to when I played. We sat in on so many different meetings, right? I would sit in with. I started every single day for, for nine years in Carolina in the offensive line room. When the special teams guys were doing their meeting, I was in there with the offensive line and was in their run game installs, all their pass pro meetings, all their stuff with our offensive line coach, John Matsko, like, so that's where I started my day. And then I would jump out of that and go into the offensive pass game install and then sit through hot reads and, and coverages and pass games. So the point of saying all that, like now as I find myself doing the TV or even just coaching middle school kids, I spend every waking second with the offense in the defensive line. I do very little in the past game. We're blocking, we're taking angles, step footwork, splits, stance, combination blocks, double teams, angles like. And it's just the perspective that I was around. Not that I certainly didn't make a living on double team blocks, but I've heard, I've heard and watched a lot of. Really? I've coached enough. Right. I, I watched Ryan Khalil, I watched block on counter. I watched how they taught guards to make sure you're going into the line of scrimmage to get on kick. Like I was around it, experienced it. And you want to have a good middle school football team, have a good offensive line, you have a good offensive line, you're going to dominate people because nobody can block.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, it's also hard to have like a high powered passing attack in.

[Greg Olson]

Middle school or pass protection's a bitch.

[Travis Kelsey]

Pass protection is rough.

[Greg Olson]

We're not sorting anybody on the backside four weeks. We're not sliding the protection. Okay. It's a lot of like play action. Yeah, let's roll out the pocket. Yeah, we're. And anything you do from the pocket is. We're gap protection. Everyone's got your inside gap backs, got the edges. We're building a wall and if the quarterback doesn't throw it to the first or second guy, we got a three step drop.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Progression here. Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

But it's cool. I, and I'm sure you guys like everything about my career. I enjoy so much of the stuff that I didn't necessarily do personally, but I was exposed to. I use more of that knowledge. Like it's now secondhand passively into my career and also just into my coaching. More so than teaching a tight end how to run a stick route. Like it doesn't really, it doesn't really come up as much.

[Jason Kelsey]

Diego.

[Travis Kelsey]

Makes sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it, man. Well, good luck to the boys this year. Is it? Appreciate you still. Still middle school, right?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I got One more year. My. My seventh grade. Your boy tj. My seventh grader.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's go. He's got one more tight end, baby.

[Greg Olson]

Let's go teach fellow tight end. He's getting big now. He's getting tall. He's long.

[Jason Kelsey]

There we go. There we go.

[Greg Olson]

He wears 87. I'm like, what the.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why would you wear that?

[Jason Kelsey]

No. Sometimes this is the only number there that makes sense. Jason. Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Saying I get it.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, here we go, baby. How we feeling after the Natty, man? Miami obviously didn't. They weren't able to pull it off, but it was a fun game to watch and follow along to. Man, Indiana just, they just had it rolling this year, man.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I mean, I, I think it was what was so cool. It was a clean game right there wasn't a lot of controversy. The last, you know, obviously the last pick by. By Carson Beck was the only turnover. Like it was a good clean football game. We, our offense really struggled in the first half, came to life there in the second, and then the game kind of flipped. Our offense came to life. We were going up and down the field. Passing game started clicking and we scored multiple, you know, back to back possessions there at the end and we just couldn't get a stop.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, right.

[Greg Olson]

The two fourth downs were throwing back shoulder fades and of course, the fourth down quarterback draw was a hell of a play by Mendoza. So, you know, it sucked pulling out of there. My wife and I both went to Miami. Our family members went to Miami, like where Miami got, you know, through and through and oh yeah, pulling out of the stadium and being on a flight full of Indiana fans this morning, leaving Lauderdale was not. Was not the best feeling. But I'll tell you what, Mario, Crystal ball, man. He. He's a stud. He was my tight end coach in college actually. And really. Wow. Now obviously that. Yeah, so he, he recruited me when he was at Rutgers early on in his career. Eventually became the tight end coach in Miami at the end of my career for a couple years and then went off to FIU and went off and did his head coaching stuff. So the fact that he's back home, has them back on the national stage. Would have been a storybook ending for him to win Miami. Guy grew up there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

At home, but, you know, wasn't meant to be. The other Miami guy, Mendoza, he got the storybook ending, but tough one to walk out of a man. It was what a moment. So cool. Connect with all former players, connect with guys I went to school with and just kind of Rally around a school that we all take a lot of pride in.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hell yeah, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's awesome, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

So what was your freshman year? What? What year was it?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, so I was 03. So I got there in the fall three. Yeah, so we were. We were on the heels. So my junior year in high school, we beat Nebraska. My senior year in high school, we lost Ohio State. So that I was. My freshman year, we went to the Orange bowl, you know, back. It was like the BCS and all that back then. So we didn't play. We never played for a national title. When I was there, we played in the BCS Bowl. My freshman year I was a red shirt. I was scout team, you know, But I'm breaking the huddle on the scout team and the scout team. Def Shawn Taylor and Antro Roll and Vince Wilfork and Jonathan Vilma and D.J. williams and Kelly Jennings. I mean, there was like seven first round picks just on defense.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're looking at a safety literally the same size as you.

[Greg Olson]

Trav, if you would have seen Shawn Taylor.

[Jason Kelsey]

Holy.

[Greg Olson]

Like live and in person, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

No way.

[Greg Olson]

Now mind you, I came from North Jersey. Like we played high school football, but you know, back then, like we never play. You never played football outside of your little bubble, Right? So I went to like a summer camp here and there, but it was no pads and it just wasn't like kids are exposed to now, where, you know, every kid in California, every kid in Ohio, every kid in Florida. Wasn't the case back then. So I show up, man, and I'm a 225 pound, 18 year old freshman. And Sean Taylor, 6, he looked like he was 6, 8, dude. And he's got the rainbow visor. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

The tape on the face mask. You know it, man.

[Greg Olson]

I was like, what am I? Yeah, the tape on the bars. I'm like, what am I doing here? This is so stupid. Why am I here?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's so crazy.

[Greg Olson]

It was awesome and just a great part of my life and to see them back now and. And the guys feel prideful again and the country kind of take notice of them. It's. It's been fun.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's awesome. Oh yeah, man, I Don't you have kids now? I have no idea. Like they weren't around when it was happening, but like the Miami, like it wasn't even just that they were good, it was that they were. I mean the 30 for 30 on them says it so perfectly from back in the day too. But the like swagger and every. It was like the bravado that Miami had, it was on top of all that other stuff. So college football is just better when Miami is balling out, so.

[Greg Olson]

I agree. Well, I'm glad you guys feel that way because we, Our Miami guys are a little obnoxious. You know, like, they walk around and, you know, they especially probably of the last, like, 20 years, we've. Because we've all. We didn't accomplish, like, we all were in Miami, but we didn't actually, like, win anything worth meaning, but, like, we still acted like we did.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, but I think that Miami, though, it feels like, yeah, there's like a. There's a confident, like, swagger to it, but it doesn't feel like conceited, kind of like arrogant, like, pompous. You know what I mean? Like, that those are the type of ones that you really get upset with. Like, Miami is like a bunch of dogs that are just, like, achieving their dreams and love playing the game. That's kind of the vibe I always got.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Greg Olson]

There's like, a little bit of a difference. The thing about Miami guys is the high energy and the. And the things they say. But they were, like you said it, like they were dogs, man. Like, they were hard. The hardest working guys in college, the hardest working guys in the league. Like, everybody that came out of Miami, everybody that I played with, everybody that I played with in the NFL, Miami guys, you never had to worry about, like, their work ethic, how hard they competed, their toughness, like, and I think that's why they always had the respect of their teammates and the respect of everybody around them.

[Travis Kelsey]

Absolutely.

[Greg Olson]

For sure.

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[Jason Kelsey]

All right, let's talk some pro ball, man. Let's talk some some divisional round from last week, man. We had some great games and our first one I wanted to get into was this Bills Broncos game, right? Bills are taking some heat, man. They fired McDivitt. Josh is taking McDermott. Damn it they fired McDermott.

[Greg Olson]

And this TV ain't easy, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Names the worst over here. The absolute worst.

[Travis Kelsey]

It is hard.

[Jason Kelsey]

And by the way, I have to give you flowers from the jump. You are the best at it right now, brother. My favorite to listen to 92 percenters. I don't give a shit if you think I'm biased. This man is the best. Calling the games right now. And I fucking love every single game that I get to listen to.

[Greg Olson]

Thanks, buddy.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love my guy Troy at espn. Troy and Joe Buck are phenomenal.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, they do great.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm not trying to throw shade anywhere, but I will say it's pretty routinely acknowledged from players that Greg offers some of the best insight at of all time, calling games. And he makes, man, good times, baby. Well, it's high energy. It's good times. But there's really good insight that I think you could tell. I mean, everybody's brought this up. Like, you're the son of a coach. Like, the way you think about the game is very holistic. You're very caught up with the analytics. Like, I'm not telling you anything, you know, but as a player, we all just enjoy how much you put into it, and it's apparent, and it's. Every time I get the chance to listen to Greg Olson, I come away learning something as a professional player that played 13 years, which I think is just awesome.

[Greg Olson]

Means a lot. I appreciate that, guys. I enjoy doing it. And coming from you guys, I know you're not biased. I know it's not. I guess, yeah, it means a lot more coming from you guys than you know. So I appreciate that.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, now let's get into this Bills Broncos game. Right now, the Bills are taking some heat. McDermott just got canned, and Josh Allen is getting some heat for. For not beating the Broncos. Thoughts on the game, Greg?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, just kind of an interesting divisional weekend, right? You had some. You had two overtime thrillers. You had one just absolute dog of the game that. That got away up in Seattle. And then one kind of a clunky game with the Texans. And, you know, that game kind of got weird and. And, you know, whatnot. And New England played well enough, didn't necessarily play great, but, you know, just a struggle. So it was kind of a weird weekend all around. Usually the divisional round is when it gets really fun. It kind of flipped this year. The wild card weekend was incredible. I mean, every game was just. Was down to the wire for the most part. But, yeah, I mean, you brought up the Bills. You Know, I hate it for McDermott. So McDermott got hired there from Carolina. He was our coordinator. We had a lot of success with him. Brandon Bean, the, the general manager, he was the assistant general manager. He cut his teeth here in Carolina, and, and McDermott brought Brandon from, from us to, To Buffalo. So to see them kind of have to start from scratch. I love McDermott. They've been there for nine years. A lot of those coaches are guys that I played for and worked with, you know, so you guys know it sucks to see guys lose their job in any team, right? No one roots for coaches to be fired. Players especially hate it. The one thing about the league is, you know, change is inevitable. And, you know, you have a guy like Josh Allen and, you know, here you are year after year just getting right to the end and they just can't get over the hump. Then I think, you know, a lot of people saw this opportunity with, with you guys, Trav not being in it for the first time in a while. I think a lot of people saw this as Josh's opportunity. Like, all right, get over the hump, right? No Mahomes, no Burrow, no Lamar. Get those premier guys out of the way and here's your opportunity. But, you know, as you guys well know, it's. It's never as simple as that. I think while Josh Allen is incredible, and I'd argue he's. He's the best player, if not, he's the top three player on any given year in the league. But, you know, the roster, they. They got holes. They had issues. You're giving up 30 plus on defense. And certainly he made his fair share of mistakes in that last game, but their margin for error was just so small. I think the roster was okay. I don't think it was a great roster. It was elevated by a generationally talented quarterback. And ownership just realized, hey, same old story every year, and we're going to try something different. And it sucks, but it's the nature of this business.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well said. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing with the Josh Allen, I guess, noise out there. Like, everybody's crushing him. Well, not everybody. He's getting his fair share of criticism and rightfully so. At least two of the, like, turnovers were blatant mistakes. Right? It shouldn't happen. But at the same time, it's hard to criticize him because, like, the only reason that team had the season it did and got there was because of him. And like, there was plenty of other times had that game go their way. And Josh Made a bunch of plays in it as well. So. I don't know, man. It's. It's a hard one to say because you. You obviously want to hold him accountable. You want to hold McDermott accountable. But, like, again, both of those guys, I don't know that either of them was the reason that they haven't accomplished it yet. It feels like they've always been missing pieces here or there. That offense, you take away Josh Allen, like, they're outside of James Cook, who really stresses the defense that much. Right. Like, the offensive line is great. They have a great run game, and Josh just makes tons of plays. But, yeah, it's. It's a tricky one, for sure. I don't know. What do you. Where do you sit with, I guess, Josh's performance? Like, how would you go about grading that as. As an analyst?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So I, you know, I. I think what you have to be careful is just saying, like, your performance in this one given moment, like, how did you play in the divisional round? I think there's a lot of examples. I mean, we can go back just this year, you know, in. In just the last couple weeks of playoff games where, you know, would you say Drake may had his best game in the play come the postseason? He hasn't probably played his best, but. But C.J. stroud turned the ball over 15 times, it felt like. And they win. So he gets another crack at it. And Stafford certainly hasn't been as good in the postseason. He's going to be the mvp, most likely. But, you know, in the regular season, he was incredible. I had him in that wild card round. Like, they almost lost to Carolina. He made some incredible plays down the stretch, but he wasn't great that whole game to the standard that they've set, you touched on.

[Travis Kelsey]

Obviously, Drake may not play in as good as he would have hoped yet. C.J. stroud, I mean, we used to call that being in the matrix.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, you don't know what's up, what's down. Like, you are just rattled. What if you're out there, you're a teammate, what are you saying to this guy to try and weather this? Or as a coach even, like, how do you get somebody kind of out of that and back into a rhythm?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So I think twofold. It's a great question. Right. Because watching it just as a fan and. And I like C.J. he's a great kid. I've always enjoyed the time I've been around him. Sure have a lot of respect for him. And obviously super talented to Watch a kid, to watch a guy at any position, but especially the quarterback, clearly out of sorts and the ball coming out of his hand. The weather clearly affected him. Then it starts getting mental that every ball he threw was like a hope and a prayer. And it just kind of spiraled away on him, especially there in the first half. It just kills you. Like, you never want to see someone struggle like that. So I think in the moment, there's one way to handle it, right? There's, you know, the coaches need to do a good job with play calling and play sequencing and giving them easy completions as teammates make a play for make a contested catch, right. Give them more time if you're pass protecting or, you know, we got to get open quicker and separate and give them an easy target. So I think there's things you can do on the field, then there's the sideline interaction. You know, obviously you want to be positive, you want to be encouraging, you want to try to keep them going. So in the game, I think there's a lot of people, coaches, players, teammates, that can do a lot to try to unburden him, like take some of the load off of his back because obviously he's feeling it pile on. And then I think even more importantly, like, how do they handle it now? Right? So the game's over, they lost, the season's done. They have a lot of their future tied to him being their quarterback for the next 10 years. How does the organization, how does D', Ameco, Ryan's. How does the ownership in front office, how do they handle him? Right? You can't just say, hey, don't worry about it. Go on vacation. We'll see you next week. But you also can't crush them. So I think it's going to be a very delicate balance and they're going to have to go about that in the right way because holding a guy accountable and not crushing his spirit who's the future, as we all know, is a very fine line. And if they don't straddle it the right way and it goes too far other end, they jeopardize a lot of their future.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's tough, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Absolutely.

[Jason Kelsey]

People are also saying as tough as officiating a catch because the Bills fans and really the uproar of the entire this divisional round, I from what I'm. I caught on the aftermath was, you know, the catch in the Bills game versus the catch in the Rams game between Devonte. But this bill's the. The deep throw to Brandon Cooks. How did you See it. Did they get it right From. From your view?

[Greg Olson]

I think they did. I. I think because the catch was going to the ground, he's not down by contact until the fall through the ground is completed. So I get the frustration. If I was the offensive player, if I was on the Bills, I would have been fighting my ass off too. Right. But when you take a step back and you just evaluate, now, we can debate whether that rule is sound. We can debate whether the catch rules are clear or not. And that's a legitimate debate that needs to be had. But as it's currently written, while the process was clunky and miss and bad communication and poorly handled and all that taken away, and it was. It was a correct call, in my opinion.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Well, Joe Burrow agreed. He said the amount of people that don't understand what a catch is in the rule book. Flabbergast me.

[Greg Olson]

Joe came out of retirement. He had tweeted in two years.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't think I've seen him say anything ever.

[Greg Olson]

All of a sudden, Joe is so fired up over going to the ground reception, it got him out of hibernation.

[Jason Kelsey]

Listen, if you're going to watch the game, you got to know the rules. And I'm flabbergasted if you don't.

[Greg Olson]

Flabbergast. And what a great word.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it. I don't even care what he said to the world. I'm just glad he used the word flabbergast.

[Greg Olson]

Totally.

[Travis Kelsey]

Greg, you're. You're the Bill's gm, you know, brand, you know, Bean, what do you think this team needs from coaching player? All of it.

[Greg Olson]

You know, it's a great question, and I was talking to a buddy about it this morning, and if I'm. If I'm Brandon Bean and I'm ownership and I have the magic wand, I think there's a lot of Buffalo Bills fans right now that are saying, wait a minute. We just went from decades of irrelevance to nine really good years and again, never made it to a Super Bowl. But, like, we. We put the Buffalo Bills on the map more than they had in decades prior to McDermott getting there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

So I'm looking at this saying, okay, everyone wants to make change, but how often do we see change and it. The guy making into the new guy not being as good as the old guy. Right. We're trying to replace 10 NFL coaches right now. Can we all sit here and say, these 10 coaches are going to be better than the guys they replace? Odds tell us they're not odds tell us it's not how it works. So.

[Jason Kelsey]

Especially not the first year. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. Now the advantage you get is you get to inherit Josh Allen, who's. Who makes a little of these margins a little bit wider. Yeah, but if I'm them, I think I'm getting away from defense. I don't think I can sell to my fans. Even if it's the right move, I don't think I can sell to fans and to ownership. We're going to replace a very successful defensive minded coach and just replace him with another defensive minded coach. So my gut is I think they go the offensive route. I think the pendulum swings to the other side. You know, do they, do they just promote Joe Brady who has a really good relationship with Josh Allen? And again, I'm speculating, but like, do they, do they go with Joe and say, you know what, let's focus there, let's stay consistent on the offensive side of the ball. Let's not worry about replacing that, that play caller over years. And then we could go out and get one of these defensive coordinators, you know, who's a former head coach. Right. Do you get Jonathan Gannon, you know, the Vic Fangios of the world. Right. Who. You get them and you just say lock them in the room and you have the defense and we don't have to worry about it for a long time. So those guys are all over the place. Typically there's more defensive guys that are available than offensive guys at that level. So that's what I would do. Right. Do they bring back Dable? Do they bring, you know, they, do they promote Joe Brady? I think it's going to be an offensive guy. I just think for a lot of reasons, for, for Josh, for getting that offensive pass game and everything organized consistently over time and also more so than anything else, just sell it to the fan base. I think that's a big part of this.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, speaking of the fan base, the fan base has been floating out. A guy who's been undefeated in years past. Do you know Brandon Bean from your time in Carolina? Like Jason said, I think your name has been floated out there. Would you, would you consider being an NFL coach?

[Greg Olson]

You know, it all depends on what my future looks like on new heights. Like if this is going to be recurring. I think if this is going to be recurring and this is something that I stay. I just can't, I can't make my schedule. Apparently you guys couldn't get a hold of me for all these years. Apparently I was so Hard to get a hold of that. I don't want to cloudy and muddy my schedule up to not be available. So we'll, we'll, we'll talk offline about what my future looks like here with you guys. But you know, in all seriousness, I've had coaches never to be a head coach, but I've had head coaches, you know, text me or call me and say, hey, would you ever consider if we had a spot? And, and I've always, you know, you're always flattered and you're always, you know, it's nice. I'm not sure right now being at a. Now you told me I could be the. That's a different story. All right now, now we're entering into a new world. But you know, the idea of coaching is something I love the idea of. As fun as TD is and I love it and my plan is to do this for 30 years. We'll see what that you guys know. And Jason, you're going through it right now like as fun as game day is in the booth and on set and in the studio, it's just different. Not like you're watching these guys prepare for the game. You're watching warm ups. You're watching the thrill of victory that, the agony of these bone crushing losses. The locker room, the guys, the relationships, the hard times. Like you're never gonna fill that. Like that never gets filled. What we do in TV is really close to it from like a competitive and like you're in the juice. Coaching's probably a little bit closer to the action. You're like truly living and dying because you are impacting the game. That appeals to me. I love that competitive element of it. If by some randomness I was ever considered for a job, it's something I would definitely consider. But I, I don't sit here right now pursuing that. It's not something I picture myself doing at a, any higher level than I'm doing it right now with 14 year old kids. But I like doing the TV stuff. It keeps me, it keeps me involved in the game a lot. And I get my competitive coaching fix. Yelling at younger kids. I don't want to get in there and have to start yelling at Tribe. What the hell am I gonna say, dude? What am I gonna say?

[Travis Kelsey]

Greg, you gotta coach me.

[Greg Olson]

No, just keep getting open and throw him the ball. Make this shit too hard. Hey, you see that guy right there? He's going to be open. Throw it to him. Deal.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, every, everybody sees how good of a coach you could possibly be. That's why, that's why we had to ask. But if there was, if there was an opportunity, let's say, let's let. I'll ask this. Among all the open head coaching jobs right now, which one is the most appealing if you are looking to be a head coach?

[Greg Olson]

That's a great question. So I think right now Buffalo is very appealing because every coach wants a quarterback, right? Every coach feels it's the hardest position to get. And if I have one now, I can put all of my focus everywhere else. If you inherit one of these jobs and you have to put. And most likely these jobs, a lot of them are open because the teams weren't very good. A lot of them, generally speaking, you're trying to find the quarterback and build your staff and build the roster and, and, and, and it's just, it's. It's so hard. So, you know, you walk into Buffalo, you say, okay, that box is checked for eternity. I can put all of my time and effort into everything else. How do I shore up my defense, my old line, you know, whatnot. So Buffalo feels like the best job just from that standpoint alone.

[Jason Kelsey]

Another one that's intriguing is Baltimore. Baltimore. Lamar is a generational history. He's a guy that, that can. Yeah, and, and, and a lot of really, really good players on that team. Obviously a unique set of like, like, like a unique skill set in terms of the type of offense that they've been running. But I think it's still, it's gonna be very interesting to see who lands there and, and how that team changes as well.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, that, that's a fascinating one. And again, you move off of it goes back to our. You know, you make change because you're, you're unhappy with the current status quo. And that's ownerships. The ownership has the right to do that. You get rid of a guy like John Harbaugh, are you convinced that you can replace him with a better coach? And maybe they do. And certainly we've seen it go both ways, but, like, that's a tall task. That's, that's not a given. Just because you make change that it's going to be changed for the better. So. So I agree with you. They've got some really unique pieces there on offense, obviously. Again, quarterback being checked with Lamar is a great place to start, but I'm with you, Trav. I think that's going to be fascinating to see. Do they go offense, do they go different? Do they go back to like, leader of men and kind of stay in that same Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin type vibe which both Pittsburgh and Baltimore have been for a long time. Yeah, I'm with you. I think that's going to be very fascinating to see how ownership in the front office kind of decides to move forward there.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's. You got, you got to bring in somebody with that, that similar toughness, man. Or I just, I really just don't see it panning out, man. But it's got it. You got to have that toughness as a coach, especially in that division with those teams.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, if you want to be an offensive coordinator, we do have a position open in Philadelphia. Greg, we could really use your help with. We, we need some expertise in the building.

[Greg Olson]

I love Sirianni. I actually texted him a little bit because I ran into his brother in law at the Miami game. So I, I was texting with him. We were just kind of shooting the a little bit. I love Sirianni and I know he gets a lot of flack and people want to come after him. I love him, I love his, I love his energy, I love his edge. I love the way he manages the game and I, you know, I end up fighting the entire universe on behalf of him. A couple weeks ago, that was a losing proposition. I don't know if you guys are familiar with social media, but not worthwhile. I don't know if you guys are new to this. I think if I'm an offensive play caller, I'm doing everything in my power to get that job. I want to go call offensive plays in Philadelphia because you can do whatever you want.

[Jason Kelsey]

Pick your poison, man.

[Greg Olson]

That's a great job.

[Jason Kelsey]

And when that old line gets healthy too. Holy shit, that's a great job. You want to get into this Nikki Foles situation. Now that we're talking a little Eagles offense, let's go baby. So Nick Foles offered up some advice obviously. Broncos losing Bo Knicks going into the the biggest game of his career. Jared Stidham will start for the Broncos, has not thrown a pass all season long and is in the AFC championship against the Patriots and the fighting Mike Rabels, man. Nick Foles offered up some advice on social media note for the Broncos and their fans. I know it's been an emotional 24 hours. I feel for Bo and the team and I'm sending prayers for a strong recovery. A positive note though on going into a game versus the Patriots is that they struggle against back of QBs in championship type games.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's an all time tweet from Nick.

[Greg Olson]

How many retweets is it up to?

[Travis Kelsey]

That's a great question, Brandon. What are we at?

[Greg Olson]

As of yesterday? It was like 20,000.

[Travis Kelsey]

20,000.

[Greg Olson]

It was at like 20,000. I think at one point I thought. I thought so. I might be making that up. Hold on.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's got to be something ridiculous.

[Greg Olson]

Maybe I made that up. Hold on.

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Jason Kelsey]

23K with 17 million views and 200,000 fucking likes.

[Travis Kelsey]

Deservedly so.

[Greg Olson]

You talk about using social media with a great kind of as a craft. That was a really well worded, well timed. Obviously the Internet loved it and super relevant because.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, stay positive, you know, brother.

[Greg Olson]

I mean, Wentz was going to be the mvp. You guys replaced potentially the MVP of the league that year and won the Super Bowl.

[Jason Kelsey]

Freaky Nikki foes, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was wild. And I still remember Wentz went down and I still remember you could hear a pin drop in the locker room. Like we were all. We knew his ACL was torn in the locker room after the game. You're like, dude, what is going to happen? How are we going to overcome this? We just lost our starting quarterback and thankfully Malcolm Jenkins, like was up as a. Hey, we still got a great team, man. Nick Foles has played a lot of football here. We had all played with them under Chip, so we kind of had a lot of familiarity and confidence with Nick and it took us a couple games. That's the one thing that Stidham doesn't have. Like we got the rest of the off the rest of the season and kind of warmed into that role. It's going to be interesting. I mean, Sean Payton is one of the all time schemers and he was in his bag this last week against the Bills. Like we had a thick six. Freaking had a bootleg throwback at the end of the half. Like he was dialing them up in that game as well. So it'll be interesting to see what he kind of has suited this coming week against the Patriots. I don't really know. I mean, I'm. I want to see Stidham play. Well, are you familiar with Stidham at all?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I mean, I know him enough. You know, he came out, got drafted by the Patriots, oddly enough.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

But again, just hasn't played a ton, obviously hasn't thrown a pass this season, you know, so just not a ton of experience. I do know just from talking to people around there that Sean Payton does have a lot of confidence in him. Like he views him as like a, like a sleeper backup, but. And again, I'm not this isn't a knock on him, but what you said is exactly right. He has no Runway right. There's no like, hey, give him a couple weeks, he'll find his footing. There's no best to seven series. He doesn't get to come back on Monday and play again like this is it and you're playing against, you know, one of the top teams in the league, hardly the best story in football. And Drake, who's going to be up for, you know, in the running with Stafford and mvp. So tall task. You get it at home, which is certainly helpful and, but yeah, it's a, it's a tough. I mean just could you imagine, I mean you went through it, but could you imagine you just win an overtime football game in the playoffs to go to the AFC championship and you're walking off, you're, you're loving life, your quarterback's doing a press conference sideline hit all this and you walk into the locker room and I don't even think 30 minutes had passed before Sean Payton broke the news in the press conference. Not only that he broke his ankle, that he was done for the season. Like he didn't say, we're going to reevaluate tomorrow. Like typically he's done.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Could you imagine the mixed emotions? It's everything you said you went through with Wentz to foals. But, but six days before the NFC championship, in this case the AFC championship, like I cannot imagine wake what their day was like the next day. Waking up and having to piece it together.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right, Absolutely. It's, it was wild.

[Jason Kelsey]

Stidham has some live bullets though. Like he's played, he's played some ball in the National Football League. So I don't think he cones in there with just absolutely, you know, no confidence. Obviously he's got a great team around him. He's got Sean Payton dialing those things up for him. And I think, I think it'll actually be better than what people are assuming. Obviously, Bo Nix is an unbelievable talent. What he can do with his feet, his arms outside of the pocket, he's more of a gamer. And in the fourth quarter he does have that ability to just make the crazy ass play or make, make the big play, the game changing play. And Stidham definitely is going to have to come in and show us that he's ready for that moment. But I think it's going to be closer and, and, and, and just a better game than kind of how it feels knowing that one of the best players in the league isn't going to be playing.

[Travis Kelsey]

Who do we think is going to take the nfc? Let's switch over, switch conferences. We had two. Well, we had one amazing game in the Rams versus the Bears and then one just complete blowout with Seattle. How do you see that shaking out? Because Seattle just looks like unbeatable on defense. That the way they swarmed to the ball. They're good at every level. It's absurd.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, Seattle's defense is incredible. And you know, I, I'd say probably the back half the season, I was fortunate to have a couple Seattle games, couple Rams games, had the Rams first round of the playoffs. So, like we had enough time kind of taking them in and kind of getting a picture of what they look like. And I thought going into the playoffs, the Rams and the Seahawks were the best two teams in either side, in either the AFC or the NFC side of the playoffs. I think they were the most balanced. I think they had the quarterback play, the offense's ability to score points, and then obviously being very good on defense. That Seattle defense, to me is how every defense in the league would want to be created. Right. They're, they're little, they manage the game up front. They're going to play with five or six DBs the entire game. They've got a lot of like positionless hybrid type second and third level players. They keep a lid on it. They play fast, they play in space, but then you still can't run the ball. Like you're saying, oh, we got all these light boxes and they're in nickel, they're in dime. We're just going to beat them up and you can't gain a yard. They're really physical up front. They've got good running chase players at the second level like, and I think Mike McDonald's is the defensive equivalent of like McVeigh on offense. So yeah, I think Seattle's probably the most well rounded team in the league. I felt that way kind of down the stretch. I feel even more so about that going into this weekend's game. I love McVay. I think McVeigh is very unique. I think he's incredible. Stafford's probably going to be the mvp. Of all the NFC matchups, it's probably the best matchup. If you could have picked before the playoffs, I got. Who do we want playing in Seattle?

[Jason Kelsey]

100%.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, I think the last time they played, it was damn fireworks. It was incredible. So that's the game I'm most looking forward to. And I think it's clearly the best two teams for sure. In the nfc, but if not, I think in a lot of ways are the best two teams in the entire playoffs.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm right there with you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Obviously, Seattle, the Seattle. We just talked about that defense, how they fly around, the energy that that team plays with. Yeah, the. The. Both. It feels like they got a lot of young guys that just love to fucking play ball. And they have this. They have this camaraderie. And those teams with the juice, man, they just. It just feels like those teams find ways to win at the end. And it goes back to what you were saying. How the Rams and Seahawks played their last game was a fucking insane, crazy ending to the game. And you could just see. It was like. It was like stars were coming out of both of this Seattle team of like, when they made plays. AJ Barner, our tight end, our fellow tight end over there in Seattle, man, one of my favorite guys. A young guy, a swag champ kind of guy that just kind of like brings everyone together. They have guys like that on the offensive side, defensive side. And I just think that team right now is going to be so difficult to beat, especially when you got Walker running for how, like, how, like how aggressive and hitting the second level with speed, man. That's going to be a fucking tough team to beat. And the Rams. The Rams snuck by the Bears, dude, that game was a fun game to watch. An old Soldier Field, baby. A familiar place that you know, Greg. And when that place is fucking rocking, man, it is a, it is a. It is a different type of. Of energy, man. I got to see one of Jason's games, the double Doink, man. Shout out the nags. Love nag. But I got to see the double Doink. When Jason was playing over there in Chicago and you just, you. It's a different type of atmosphere when the Bears are fucking in it, man. When the Bears have a fucking chance. And right now they got. They. They. They have one of the best and most exciting quarterbacks in the league. Young and. And you're starting to see these unbelievable plays kind of unfold. His ability to make this magic that he had in college, it started to get comfortable in the NFL. And he's starting to make these crazy plays. That fourth down and forever throwing it to our guy. Cole Cabr, bad man. Shout out to tight ends everywhere right now, making plays. Cole, commit, man. That was one of the craziest plays I've ever seen in my life. And I still get chills watching all the different camera angles from the stands. And I'm just happy for Chicago to finally get something that they can go out there and cheer for.

[Greg Olson]

Man, I'm not sure if there's a cooler city in the country. It's when their team is good than Chicago. And I was fortunate. I got there when, when I got drafted there. It was on right off their super bowl loss. They lost to Indianapolis. A couple months later, I got drafted there. It took us a couple years. We didn't make the playoffs. And my fourth year we made the playoffs, we ended up hosting the packers in the NFC championship game. It turned out to be my last game. I got traded that next off season to Carolina, but, man, I got to see it firsthand. You know, it's. It's snowing. The crowd, the city, the stadium is in the heart of the city, which is very unique and, you know, you don't see that a lot anymore with where they're built. It's just. It's a city that just loves their sports. They love the Bears. They've had a history of all, you know, between the Cubs and the White Sox and the Bulls and the Blackhawks, like, Blackhawks. They've had a lot of success. But, man, they want the Bears to win again. They want. It is a Bear city and football rules is right. So it's. It was cool. I mean, watching that game in the snow, Caleb backpedaling, throwing a 17 yard pass 50 yards in the air. It felt like that ball was in the air for three days. And when he threw it and when he threw it, everyone was like, oh, my God. That's what the end of the season came down to. It was like, punt. And then, sure, Cole commit's wide open.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right in the old bread basket.

[Greg Olson]

Man, it was. I thought they were going to go for two. Ben Johnson had been so aggressive in the playoffs going forward on fourth down. Did it against Green Bay in the wild card round, going forward on fourth, continuing to push the envelope, and then had a chance there. I thought he was going to go for two. Elected to go to overtime and with these new overtime rules and you can ba debate how you handle it, but, man, it's it. That was a heartbreaking way for Chicago's season, but the Rams have won both games that way. You know, I was there in Carolina calling that game when it looked like Carolina took the lead with two minutes and they look like they were going to win. And Stafford makes plays and, you know, McVeigh pulls plays out of his ass and puts it all together when they have to. He's so talented and so unique, but, man, Tight ends, but you're tight ends all over the world. There's a lot going on here. I mean, tight ends galore. What the Rams are doing with their dudes. It's. It's a fun time to be an NFL fan. It's a fun time to just sit back as just a casual observer and just take in exciting. I wouldn't say good football. There's a lot of bad football going on, but, man, it is fun football. And these last couple weeks of the playoffs have been awesome.

[Jason Kelsey]

Get me fired up for this round, baby. Let's go. Yeah, so we got Rams, Seahawks. We talked about it a little bit, but it's. It just feels like that's going to be the game that, that, that, you know, the team that goes on is going to win the super bowl, man. It just, it just feels like though, both those teams, the. The Rams having that veteran presence, that, that we've done it before. We've got the guys and then the Seahawks of like this new magic. And it's Sam Darnold playing his tail off in the run game and the excitement and the juice. It just feels like right now the NFC is cooking, man.

[Greg Olson]

That's kind of how I view it. And I think it does run. And then obviously it complicates things now with, with Denver's chances and all the stuff we've talked about. So fascinating. Final Four. Maybe not the final Four. Everyone would have imagined for sure when the season started, but maybe not even down the last couple weeks. So that's what makes the NFL king and one one game series, man, are so challenging. And you know, you guys have been on the good and the bad. I've been on more of the bad than the good come post season. But those one game series, man, they'll get you.

[Jason Kelsey]

They will, man. That's what makes football the best, baby. You lose the championship weekend.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Greg Olson]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

All right, well, that wraps up bold topics. Let's get into our last segment. Greg, we appreciate you, your time and. And all the fun and all the great insights you always have. But let's get to this last segment, which is we gotta ask, but you don't got a answer. You can tell us off if you want want, but we'll shoot you with some of our. Some of our best questions yet. Man, everyone's seen the viral photo of you at. At the McCaffrey wedding. Our intern is getting married, hopefully sometime soon. Do you have any advice for him and him alone on the five must haves at a good wedding, because it looks like you are a pro. Edwin.

[Greg Olson]

Number one's me. I mean, let's just be honest. I just want to be clear here.

[Travis Kelsey]

For anyone.

[Greg Olson]

Good for anyone, for Jason, for anyone potentially getting married, there's a lot of people saying it. I don't say it, but there's a lot of people saying it. Like, if you want it to be memorable and you want there to be great energy and great camaraderie and fellowship and moments, like, I'm at the top of the list. Let's send the invite traff.

[Travis Kelsey]

Send the invite tr.

[Greg Olson]

No, listen, there's no. There's no. We don't do pity invites. There's no pressure. We don't do pity. We don't do pity invites. Listen, you want guys that bring it and can have a lot of fun and can dance with grandma or the bride or the bridesmaid or the. We get. We're very, very. It's like the tight end position. We're very multiple. We're very versatile. A lot of different music. We can go journey. We can go Rihanna. We can do a lot of different things. We can karaoke if it gets crazy. Had a lot of fun at McCaffrey's wedding, as you saw.

[Jason Kelsey]

As you can see.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

A lot of good dudes there. Oh.

[Greg Olson]

All time.

[Travis Kelsey]

Time.

[Greg Olson]

We had a blast. It was like a reunion. All right, so five must haves at a wedding from the guy's perspective, from the girls.

[Jason Kelsey]

From the guy. Yes, guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So music runs the show. So I would say, number one, don't go too long on the ceremony. Right? Like, you got to do the ceremony, and you gotta have your moment and your love. But, like, don't break. Everyone's really excited to get to the excited hour.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep. Everyone's excited.

[Travis Kelsey]

Don't lose the energy.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. So let's find the balance between, like, honoring each other and getting this thing started off the right way, but also realizing why everybody came. So let's not go too long on the ceremony. Number two, like, cocktail party. Cocktail hour has got to be incredible. While bride and groom, while you guys are off taking pictures and doing your thing, like, we need to have great cocktails. We need to have great finger foods. Everyone's hungry, right? I want a little sushi. I want a little shrimp cocktail. I want, like, really good little like finger crab cakes. I think cocktail hour really sets the tone. The music, I think you can go either way. I've seen great, like, mo. Like, big, big bands that can play anything, multiple different singers, and it's awesome. DJs can also work great. Music is critical. You got to keep people out there. You got to keep people engaged on the dance floor. I don't even know how many things I just gave. Was that three?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's four. That's four. Give us one more.

[Greg Olson]

Give us one more. All right, so one more. Yeah. And this sounds cheesy, but, like, you just got to have your people there, right? Like, you got to have your people that you want to share this moment with, because you're going to wake up the next morning for breakfast and meet your family and friends, and you're going to reminisce. It's like college, right? You wake up after the night before. The best part was talking about the night before and rehashing all the moments and all that. So you want to make sure you have your people there that mean a lot to you, that you want to share, hopefully, the best day of your life with and be able to live. Oh, and film it. I regret not filming my wedding. We did a photographer. No, videographer. And I regret it. I would love to be able to show my kids, my wife and I's wedding. We only have photos. Big regret. So I'm actually going to move that, like, besides me, I'm going to move that, like, way off the list. Way off the list. That on video.

[Travis Kelsey]

There we go. Take notes, Brandon. All right, who was the more eccentric quarterback, Jay Cutler or Cam Newton?

[Greg Olson]

Oh, wow.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, that's a good question.

[Greg Olson]

So my. My. My understanding of what that word, of what, like, eccentric means. I'd say Cam.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Jay wasn't necessarily eccentric as much as he was just Jay. Right? Like, Jay had a very. And the one thing about Jay is he was pretty consistent. Like, you knew what you were going to get. He was a good teammate. He worked hard. He was tough. I always had a great relationship with Jay. Not everyone did. He wasn't for everyone. The personality there was a little aggressive. Me and Jay always had a great relationship. He was always great to me and my family. We had a lot of good moments together in our short time. You know, the couple years that we played before I got traded. So I have nothing but good things to say about Jay. In a lot of ways, Cam was Cam. I mean, you see it now, right? You turn on first take, and he's got The. The gear and the hats. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

And.

[Greg Olson]

And, you know, he's always had his little flare from the time he got drafted. Right. It started with the little. He had, like, a little, like. I don't know if he's. Like, it was like, a tail of some sort. Like, he would hang out.

[Jason Kelsey]

What was it? It was a fox.

[Greg Olson]

Rabbit's foot. Foxtail. So you cool guys? Yeah, I can't wear foxtails. I'll tell you what, Trav. You could probably get away. Like, there's very few guys that can wear what Cam wears. I think Trav to a degree. Like, he could pull it off. People would look at me and be like, that guy's a douchebag. I think people would look at Trav.

[Jason Kelsey]

No way.

[Greg Olson]

And be like. Like, that dude's cool. Like, I want to hang with that guy, so. But no, Cam, dude, if Cam's coming.

[Jason Kelsey]

Out with a line of. Of. Of the top hats and the suits and the scar. If he's coming out with a line, I'm getting.

[Travis Kelsey]

I need one of the hats.

[Greg Olson]

50% hat, so I actually own, like, four. They're called Mika free plug.

[Travis Kelsey]

Not okay, Mashiga.

[Greg Olson]

All right, so Cam bought so many of the hats that he ended up like. Like, either buying the company or investing in the company. I don't know the exact specifics. Yeah. So I actually have a few. Some were gifted to me. One at Cam super bowl party years ago in Atlanta. There's a confident element to that. Answer your question, Cam. And I mean that in, like, the most loving and endearing way, because I've been very consistent in my messaging about Cam's impact on my career and our relationship and friendship. Like, I love Cam for who he is.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And. But he is who he is.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice. Well, using a former teammate. Fill in the blank. People forget that blank was a problem.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, man. That's a great question, right?

[Jason Kelsey]

College could be NFL.

[Greg Olson]

Man, that's a great. I. I think back to, you know, in. In college, in the NFL, I think of, like, a guy like Devin Hester, but I don't think people forgot that. He's amazing. You know who I'm gonna say? Because I saw him last night, and I think he's a perfect answer for this is Frank Gore. Will Frank be in the hall of Fame? I. Maybe. I don't know. But I'll tell you what. Anyone who's watched football, studied football, knows anything about football, he would be on a very short list of guys that probably has universal respect from every player, teammate, coach, who's ever seen him. And I got to spend some time with them last night at the Miami game, and he was a teammate of mine for a couple years in college, so. So I'm gonna go with Frank because some of the other stars that I've played with, Cam and Luke Kikley and Steve Smith and Devin Hester and Brian Erlacher and Julius Peppers and these hall of fame guys that I played with, I don't know, like, people remember them. I. I don't think people appreciate how amazing Frank was. And so he's my answer.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a great answer. I will say. People definitely don't appreciate how. How much of a physical freaking specimen Julius Peppers is, though. And his voice, like, this dude. The way, like, Julius Peppers.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, it was like, what in the. This, like, the predator is just on the field playing a football game right now. Like, this is ridiculous.

[Greg Olson]

No, but you know that meme online where, like, people say, like, for every. Like, and they, like, slowly make the guy's head bigger or. Like, every time I saw Julius Peppers, he grew three inches.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was insane.

[Greg Olson]

Like, I saw him early in my career when he was in Carolina, and I was like, oh, my God, this guy. He's, like, six, five. He's a freak. And then, Yes. I played with him in Chicago, and he felt like he was 6, 7. And then I played with him again. He came back to Carolina, and I feel like he was 7ft tall. Like, every time I saw him, the biggest guy in the world got bigger.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. How is it possible?

[Jason Kelsey]

Insane.

[Greg Olson]

He's. He's insane.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, very important. Next question. Question. It's girl Scout cookie season, officially. Oh. Top three, go.

[Greg Olson]

Thin mints.

[Travis Kelsey]

Love it.

[Greg Olson]

Thin Mint. Thin mint.

[Travis Kelsey]

Sweep of Thin Mints.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. I'm hammering. Like, I'm not even opening. I mean, if you give me any of the. What's the. Like, like, the real pop. The real, like, famous original one. It's like the cracker. Like, the white.

[Travis Kelsey]

I know what you're talking about.

[Greg Olson]

It's like the traditional, like, safe one. People would, like, dip.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's. It's a sugar.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Like, it's like a vanilla cook. Yeah. Whatever that is called. I mean, if there's a box there, I'll eat the whole box. I'm not saying I'm too good for it, but I'm picking Thin Mint. Like, a thousand out of a thousand.

[Travis Kelsey]

Thin mint is great, but there's something weird. Have you noticed that there's, like, different. There's, like, two different Thin Mints, depending on which Girl scout area you're in. Maybe I'm too neat and maybe I'm deep in the weeds.

[Greg Olson]

You're deep in it. Like an Illuminati, apparently. Of.

[Travis Kelsey]

Of.

[Greg Olson]

Of girlfriends.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's the one thin mint that almost has like a softer mint in the middle of it where it's like a.

[Greg Olson]

Interesting.

[Travis Kelsey]

But then there's the other one that's like a harder one. I like the hard one. Like, I don't know which one you're on.

[Greg Olson]

I don't. To be honest with you, I'm not sure if I even know the difference, but all I know is the whole sleeve is gone.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is in your mouth.

[Greg Olson]

It's gone?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, it's gone. Yeah. We were. We were tag alongs, Thin mints and then the. What was a coconut one?

[Jason Kelsey]

It was like. It was a Camaro caramel, like, drizzle on top. Dude, I'm not gonna lie. Those things are cracked. Those things got me hooked right now.

[Travis Kelsey]

They called them Samoas, but the Samoas got canceled.

[Jason Kelsey]

Caramel delights.

[Travis Kelsey]

Something different.

[Jason Kelsey]

Caramel delights.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. There we go.

[Greg Olson]

I'll eat them all. I'm not too good for a cookie.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I hear you, dude. Give me a glass of miraculous cook.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Bianna says the guy who called Super Bowl 57. How sick of the Kelsey family were you on game day?

[Greg Olson]

Let me, let me, let me say this. That was a really cool week. As a guy who, like, has two brothers and grew up with them and like, played together, fought with them, fought against each other, all that, like, we got to sit down and do. I don't know if you guys remember, we sat down and did that cool piece for the pregame show.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hell yes.

[Greg Olson]

That was awesome. Even though you guys made me late because you were filming this. But it's fine. It was worth it. That's when you first told me you were going to have me on the show. And that was like three years ago. But it's fine. I change. Apparently I changed my number. It's the. It's the same place that my invite is. But anyway. No, man, I thought it was so cool, like, and all in all seriousness, like, seeing you guys have all of that culminate to play each other, be so willing to, like, openly and share it with the world, you know, person share it with me, which was cool. And then like your parents and your mom and your families, like, it's been cool to watch you guys have like your separate deal and then like, over time bring you together and have like that moment. I think watching Like, Jason watching after the game, the emotions of, like, yeah, my brother won, but everyone who has a brother, anyone who has a sibling, for that matter, knows the feeling of, like, I want what's best for me, but if I don't get it, I'd rather you get it. Right, Right. So, like, there's this weird. So, like, watching all that play out on the world stage that week, like, I thought it was awesome, man. And I think the way you guys have handled all of it and your relationship and your families, and you have the second biggest podcast in the family, which is cool, I think is pretty. I think it's pretty awesome. So, no, I'm. If I was sick of the Kelsey's, I wouldn't be sitting here for the last. I don't even know how long.

[Travis Kelsey]

Touche.

[Jason Kelsey]

Touche. The best.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, what's the worst game you've ever called?

[Greg Olson]

Wow. I've called some clunkers.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, man.

[Greg Olson]

I'm trying to remember off the top of my head. I called a really bad game this year. What was it? Oh, it was towards the end of the season. Oh, Minnesota. I want to say Minnesota went to Seattle.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Greg Olson]

And, yeah, J.J. mcCarthy got hurt the week before, so they started the rookie Brosmer. And again, I'm not knocking the kid because a lot of guys have looked bad going to Seattle, and I can't recall exactly off the top of my head, but I want to say Minnesota had, like 50 yards the whole game, maybe less. And it by the second quarter, you're looking at my partner, Joe. We're just looking at each other like. Like, I. I got nothing. I got nothing. I got nothing.

[Travis Kelsey]

What do you. What do you do in that situation? How do you, like, how do you weather that and keep the excitement there? You just gotta the rule of thumb.

[Greg Olson]

And I don't think there's any. Like, again, by no means am I an expert. I haven't been doing this very long. But, like, I think our rule of thumb is get to, like, halftime, up till halftime, regardless of what the score is, make it about the game, make it about the teams, make it about the matchup, make it about. About the personalities and whatever. Second half, when it's clearly it's 35, 6, it's 35 nothing, and it's over. You know, you start zooming out and you try to. You have all these things. You call it like a bucket. Like, we got to empty the bucket. We got playoff standings. We've got coach of the year. We've got trends around the league, and you just turn into like a daytime radio show. Right. And you're just, you just. Sometimes it goes really off the rails and you start just talking about complete nonsense and you know, you kind of like black out. You know, you're, you're, you're like Will Ferrell in, in old school. You're like, you don't even know what you just said.

[Travis Kelsey]

We're going street.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. Those games are the toughest. That's like every broadcaster's worst nightmare is when they assign the games and it's like you got a really good team and a really bad team. You're like, I'd rather call a game with two bad teams because all we want is competitive.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, right.

[Greg Olson]

So the games that get multi score at the end and there's no drama, those are not typically the ones that you want to call.

[Travis Kelsey]

Makes sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it, man. We got, we got tight end. You coming up this off season yet again. It's getting bigger and bigger, man. Last year was, was one of my favorites. I can't, I can't imagine how this thing's going to keep getting bigger. But just in terms of the guys, what new guys do you want to see at tight end? You this year?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, good question. You know, I want to see. We were talking about the Rams. You know, we always get. Colby Parkinson has had a great year, has made some big time plays, game winning play against Carolina. Terrence Ferguson's the young rookie. I want to say he's from Oregon. He's super dynamic. He can run, he's downfield, guy kind of runs routes like a receiver. I'd love to get, like see him live and in person. I think anyhow we can all sit here and say it's because of teu. It probably is. Let's be honest.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's be honest.

[Jason Kelsey]

Everyone heard my speech on Thomas Edison. No, I'm kidding. It wasn't even Thomas Edison. I can't even remember what it was.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was inertia. You were doing one of the Newton's.

[Greg Olson]

Laws the way it should be out. But you know, it's just so cool. And I think that's what's been so cool about teu, right? And that's what I try to tell all these young guys. I try to encourage him to come. I'm like, guys, when are you ever at the front of the line going to have Travis and George and over the years, you know, Mark Andrews and like all these guys that had played for so long and then at the back of the line it's like the young wide eyed undrafted free agent rookie who's never even seen an NFL field and he's just so happy to be there. Like the fact that we have the top of the top guys that haven't even started their journey yet and for two and a half days everyone's in the same bucket. You're all in the same drills, you're all in the same conversations, you're all at the same parties, you're all in the same bar. Like you're all one in the same from a social, from a connection standpoint, from a fellowship and then obviously from a football. And the guys that you're able to pick their brains and how does Travis warm up? How does George run his routes? Like what is he like in practice? Like watching guys body language, watching guys work ethic, like it's just so unique. And then you look around the league and I would say the talent is as widespread and as deep as it's ever been. And I think that's so good for the league. It's so good obviously selfishly for the position and the fact that TEU gets to play like a small little role in like elevating the position across the league. I, I know, you know, you, you, George and I, we all take a lot of pride in it, but I think the entire position does, does.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, yeah, you guys should. I mean listen, I give, I give George a lot of crap and like national tight end day. I'm tired of made up holidays. But like since all seriousness, like it is crazy to think of what tight ends are in the modern day NFL and how important they are. Like all of the best offenses utilize these tight ends that can be hybrid blockers. They can go out and be a mismatch out at the receiver position. You can spread them out like it. All of the best offensive minds want these guys because they offer so many different things you can do formationally, schematically mismatching depending on what personnel the defense throws on the field. And it feels like tight end you has given this position a platform that it never really had before. And I know that was an initial reason that you guys all started this was, hey, we need to start like coming together for all tight ends. Like we aren't respected enough. We don't earn the money that a lot of these other star positions do and we should because we're as valuable as end how. Have you seen the position change on the national scale with tight endu?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, so I think tight end you certainly played a part of it. I, I do think the biggest difference between tight end, when I came in the league in 07 and the way it is now, right? So we're talking almost 20 years. I think the biggest difference was tight end was always seen as like the blue collar, the unsung hero right there. There were stars. Jason Whitten was a star. Antonio Gates was a, was, Tony Gonzalez was a star. Shannon Sharp, I was like right on the tail end. So there was prominent players, but they weren't the face of the league. Right? They were, they were great players and hall of Fame players, but they weren't the stars. It was a quarterback driven league, it was a running back driven league and wide receivers. And then there was like a handful of prominent defensive players, right? Brian Erlacher and Troy Palomalu and those guys, right? So you fast forward to now and again, I'm not just saying this because Travis is on the pod. I'm not just like, I'm not just saying it because he's my buddy. And George and Gronk, like the position of tight end over my career started being played by the faces of the league. They weren't just really good players, they were stars. The league was building the brand around these individual guys with, with Gronka, with Trav and with George. And now instead of it all being all quarterbacks on, you know, the, the commercial for Sunday Night Football or the commercial for the Fox double header, it was always which, who are the two quarterbacks? Plaster them up there. The commercial, the guys we saw, that's very different nowadays. So on top of just having elevated roles on their teams, playing in postseason games, winning Super Bowls, being the best player in the super bowl, like having the platform of football to play well at the position and then just all the stuff that comes around it, the off the field, the elevating, I think all of that is like high tide raises all ships, right? So I think it's been a combination of on and off the field elevation. And you know, obviously Travis at the forefront of that and he has been for, for years and Gronk and, and, and, and obviously George and it's, it's just a different time where it's okay for the tight end to be the star of your team, the star of the league, and it wasn't always like that. But I give all these guys a lot of credit because they're really the, the tip of that spear.

[Travis Kelsey]

Do you think that that's why we're maybe seeing some more divas at the tight end position than we've ever seen? Is that fair to say? Yeah.

[Greg Olson]

Divas, podcasts, podcast, podcast hosts. Yeah, I think that's part of it for sure. I think that's part of it for sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got a young man cooking over there in Chicago, man. Colson Loveland came out hot and in hard Knocks.

[Greg Olson]

If I was these NFL teams between Colson Ludland, between Aiden Hutchinson. Right. Like, they should make every guy at the combine do like a standup rookie song talk. Because right now, yeah, I was going on that. I was going on that angle. I was going like, like, if you can get up in the room, especially as like a 65 white guy and just rush it and just own the room, you have no choice to do really good. And all the boys are giving you high fives. You're instantly the man. Like, there's no greater feeling than walking out of that team meeting where you're like, I just own that.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, everyone knows. If anybody knows, you know, Greg. Oh, I started this whole thing.

[Greg Olson]

I. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Good and bad.

[Greg Olson]

Good and bad. Let's just say my rookie. My rookie show was better. Well, my. My post college days were better.

[Travis Kelsey]

Perfect.

[Greg Olson]

And my weddings. And my wedding.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's the way it's supposed to be. They're supposed to get better.

[Greg Olson]

They got way better decision making, improved. We'll leave it at that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it. All right, well, this is. We'll. We'll move it to our last question for you. G Rag man. What was your welcome to the NFL moment?

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, so. And it's ironic because I. I work with them now, you know, indirectly at Fox, but we had a home game my rookie year in, oh, seven. And we had like a critical short yardage. It was like either third or fourth down. Short yardage. Field. Short yardage play at Soldier Field. I'm the y. My hands in the dirt. We're running, I don't know, power, whatever, inside. And Michael Strahan is playing like a. I don't know if he was in a four point stance, but it felt like he was like an eight point stance and he was playing. He was playing six technique, right? So he was like on my head, the worst. But he.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, the worst.

[Greg Olson]

And like, you go too far inside and he just caves you down. You stay on his outside shoulder and he just presses you back. So. So I come off hard inside step, and I'm like, I'm gonna bring everything I got. Everything I got, I'm bringing it. Well, he, like two gaps me. He locks me out, presses me head in the hole. He takes me into the fullback into the backside, pulling guard.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, no.

[Greg Olson]

And like. And I was like. I ran off the field.

[Travis Kelsey]

Swab the hole.

[Greg Olson]

And yeah, I'm like, guard. I don't care if you dislocate my elbow. You gotta swab this thing, brother. Because, you know, as you got older, like, I don't know about you. Like, I mean, I guess both you guys, but, like, you know, you're going, and you kind of keep that inside arm out.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're like, hey, there's somebody coming. I don't want to get my elbow.

[Greg Olson]

I don't need to. 3 yards. If I'm going to break my arm, at least let it be downfield. But I'll tell you what, man. I came off the field that day and I was like, all right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, that was great.

[Jason Kelsey]

Great.

[Greg Olson]

That wasn't great.

[Travis Kelsey]

What are we doing as a coach? That's what we're dialing up. That's the dumbest thing. Like, what are.

[Greg Olson]

You can't give the ball to Johnny.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm Johnny. You can't.

[Greg Olson]

You can't put me at the tight end. I'm the tight end.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, two little giant references in one game, man. It's the best, man.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah. I'm 21 years old. I'm like £245 if I'm lucky. I'm gonna run as fast as I can down the field and throw it.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is so good.

[Greg Olson]

We're gonna work into the other stuff.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

[Jason Kelsey]

God damn, that's good.

[Greg Olson]

Yeah, it wasn't great.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, man. Well, I could definitely say I've been there with you, brother.

[Greg Olson]

By no means was that the last time.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's that. It's just the intro of the NFL, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

We gotta arc release this one, Coach. Arc release.

[Greg Olson]

Coach. That safety. I'm gonna kill that.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'll go get that second level.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, that cracker. Play safety. He's mine. And then it's Cam Chancellor, and he just knocks your helmet off. You're like, this sucks. This sucks. This game is so stupid.

[Jason Kelsey]

Not only is that going to be the game plan, we're going to run that three times today.

[Greg Olson]

Oh, my God. But, hey, that's why they pay us the big bucks, right?

[Jason Kelsey]

Hell, yeah, baby. That's the fun of it, man. Dude, it was everything I could have imagined and more. Brother. Brother. Great. Thank you so much for coming on today, man. Sorry it took so long. Appreciate you being patient. Keep taking the world by storm on the broadcast. The. The middle school football. I can't wait to see or hear these. The. The bits that you guys do, the mic top bits you do on as a coach that you put on your, your Instagram or your social media. Man 1. I got to be one of your biggest fans in the world. I love you as a person who you've been for me and my career here. Getting to meet you back at the, in Baltimore at the Ed Block Courage Awards. You were everything and more back then. You still are the. The best guy I know, man. So appreciate you coming on and I love you, brother.

[Greg Olson]

I appreciate you, man. You guys are the best. And a lot of respect for you guys. Everything you've done, everything you guys stand for, having a ton of fun while also being good at what you do, man. It's awesome. And the pleasure was all mine. Thanks for having me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's go, baby.

[Greg Olson]

Hopefully we get together and have a couple apparel spritzes this off season.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, that's probably gonna come up in.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like two weeks, brother, to that even spritz.

[Greg Olson]

Let me know. I'll be around.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right. You're the man, dude.

[Greg Olson]

Appreciate you guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Alrighty, that does it for Mr. Craig. Olson did not disappoint. That's probably the best football insight you've ever gotten from the show. It's all thanks to Mr. Craig Olson.

[Jason Kelsey]

We're gonna have to tie him in next year to a contract because there's about 10 teams that are going to hear this podcast and gonna offer him to be their own, their head ball coach. Man, that guy knows ball and he knows how to get. Get the best out of people.

[Travis Kelsey]

Man, you ain't lying. Time. He's also just a fun ass. Time. It's rare that you find somebody that's that articulate, intelligent, but fun. Hard to find those individuals. And he somehow nails all of it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, God.

[Travis Kelsey]

How many traits can one guy have?

[Jason Kelsey]

Funny, smart.

[Travis Kelsey]

I bet if you zoom in on his nose, it looks just fine.

[Jason Kelsey]

Great head of hair.

[Travis Kelsey]

Damn it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Tall, athletic, smart, smart. Great vocabulary, Beautiful eyes. He's married with a beautiful family.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a blessed man. Good for Greg, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

One day.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, let's get into some stamps of the week. Stamp of the week is brought to you by Adobe Acrobat Studio. I kind of want to give Greg the stamp of the week, but, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Craig gets the stamp of the week.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let me see this clip of the equipment guy never letting Stafford's jacket hit the ground. The Rams are on it with the jackets out in the middle of the field. I feel like that was too much. And where are you at with getting jackets put over your Shoulders in the middle of a game on the field.

[Jason Kelsey]

They were in sync right here. I'm not a big jacket guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, what is that doing? Like, there's no way you're gaining that much heat from throwing a.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's not heat. It's just keeping the wind off of you. I think I gotcha.

[Travis Kelsey]

But, guys, I mean, come on.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm not a. I'm not a hand warmer guy. I'm not a. I did the hand warmer.

[Travis Kelsey]

I would put a towel in it if it was, like, wet out so that I could keep my hand dry.

[Jason Kelsey]

I hear you on that. I think when I was younger, I did it and I didn't love it. And I felt like it was like, the more that I wear, the less, like, free I felt. It felt like I was kind of like in a straight jacket when I wore a lot of layers. So I just eat the fact that I'm just going to be cold as for four hours and I'll be fine no matter what. I don't. I. I haven't, like, noticed that it's gonna, like, make me stiffer and, like, the cold is gonna make me less athletic. Like, when you start running and your body gets warmed up, like, it's. We're outside playing football, like, I'm not gonna be stiff that way. I feel like the more layers I had on that was restricting me more than, like, if I'm just cold as balls.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, 100 agree. All right, I'm gonna say this. I. Although I'm against the coats in the middle of the game. Game. I will say, when it is a weather game, equipment managers matter more. People don't understand this. Like, equipment people actually end up playing an impact in the game. How well they articulate to the players. Like changing your cleats. I know my man Greg is on top of it with the Eagles most of the time. He is meticulous about telling guys, hey, it's slick out there, yada, yada, yada. But also, like, the balls, like, whoever's in charge of getting the balls ready for game day, when the weather's good, like, it doesn't. It's not that important. It really shows up when you got a little bit of rain or snow. If that ball hasn't been broken improperly, it just gets slick. It doesn't feel right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Half of it is just being prepared for the situation. Like, I know my guy Alan, right? Shout out to Alan Wright over in Kansas City. Just got inducted to, I believe, the Missouri Sports hall of Fame for. I think he's been doing this with the, with the Chiefs for maybe 40 years, 50 years, something crazy like that. He's still doing it. It's being prepared for all the elements for sure. Having it's having the end. It's kind of like putting your own twist on things. Like how can you be creative to help guys always be at their best in the elements and always have something available for them. I think is the cool thing. Like I know the deep diving suits with the scuba suits were. Became a thing, you know, just like. But it's like as. As things are like coming up or as things are kind of becoming a trend and things like that, having all that ready, knowing what to order before the season for your specific players on how they like to be ready for it. It's just. It's always different, man. But.

[Travis Kelsey]

And it becomes magnified when it's colder or the rain or the snow. Like it really does make a competitive advantage for your players. And it. That's one of the things I always loved was like the fact that like the equipment guys I put in the extra time. I got to give a quick shout out to my equipment guy, Craig Blake. I know, I don't know if you're watching, but let me tell you, I'm going to that shower and Craig will be scrubbing them balls. And hey, I'm telling you, he'd be in the shower, I'd be going in there showering. I feel a little bit weird that I'm naked showering next to Craig and Craig's trying to get the balls right and he's just scrubbing away at these balls.

[Jason Kelsey]

Can we give the guy you're scrubbing balls?

[Travis Kelsey]

He's scrubbing balls.

[Jason Kelsey]

Can we give him the. The chance to scrub some balls without you scrubbing your balls next to him?

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, listen, he's doing it in the shower. There's only there in a way game. There's limited shower space. So yeah, I'm going to go equipment guy. Although I'm not about the. The jacket. I respect the dedication to the craft. Rams equipment guy, don't know your name. You get my stamp of the week.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll give the stab of the week to Kian Boutay. Did you see this one handed catch for the Patriots?

[Travis Kelsey]

Did I see it? I was there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sorry, I forgot you had a Deji. Jason. Yeah. No, it was absolutely insane. It everybody that was watching the game with everybody jumped out of their seats for in this moment in the fourth quarter to go up two scores with a play like that. Fucking A, man. That is a hell of a fucking play. And you're at home. Look at everybody going nuts in New England, man. New England's back in the fucking AFC championship game.

[Travis Kelsey]

What is this, like, thing where the guys put their hand over the face? Is it like they're saying the other guy's stinky?

[Jason Kelsey]

I have no. Sure. I have no idea.

[Travis Kelsey]

I've asked so many people. Nobody knows.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's so funny, fun.

[Travis Kelsey]

The only thing that makes sense in my head is like, oh, he's stanky. He just put that stank on it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I think maybe. I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's the sleep.

[Jason Kelsey]

The sleep.

[Travis Kelsey]

Everybody knows the sleep. Peekaboo doing high fives.

[Jason Kelsey]

Peekaboo.

[Travis Kelsey]

And then this is. This is the. The stanky. They're doing. Putting the stank on it.

[Jason Kelsey]

If you're calling it that. He definitely put the stank on that castle. Shout out to booty man. You get my stamp of the week. That wraps up stamp of the week brought to you by Adobe Acrobat Studio video.

[Travis Kelsey]

And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you so much to the one and only Greg Olson. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or in the Wondery app wherever you get your podcast. And you can listen to new episodes of New Heights right now at free by joining Wondering, the Wondering app or on Apple podcasts.

[Jason Kelsey]

Once again, New heights of wonder show brought to you by Reese's Oreo cups, the perfect combination of our favorite candies, Reese's cups, and Oreo cookies. Follow the show on all social media at New High show for fun clips throughout the week. That's New height show with 1s. Thank you to our New Heights production team. Thank you again to you 92 percenters. Check out Kelsey Clubhouse, and we'll see you guys after a little championship weekend.

[Travis Kelsey]

Peace.

[Greg Olson]

Yee.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, man. Well, bud, you look great. The saloon looks fantastic. Do you have assless chaps on?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't. I actually have sweatpants on. The. The pants that they gave me don't fit my ass, so they're cutting the lining out right now to make sure that they fit. So right now I have sweatpants on. I'm a half cowboy.