Chiefs Matt Nagy on his Mahomes 'Cheating', Rookie Kelces, Andy Reid Lessons & "Swingin' D" | Ep 147

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce: Episode 147 Summary

Host: Wondery
Episode Title: Chiefs Matt Nagy on his Mahomes 'Cheating', Rookie Kelces, Andy Reid Lessons & "Swingin' D"
Release Date: July 9, 2025

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1. Introduction and Welcome [03:28 - 21:21]

Jason and Travis Kelce kick off the episode by introducing their special guest, Matt Nagy, the current offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs and Travis's former quarterback coach with the Philadelphia Eagles. They highlight the unique connections between the East Coast, Philadelphia, and Kansas City in their upcoming conversation.

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2. Charity and Community Involvement [08:01 - 10:14]

Travis Kelsey discusses his participation in the Alex's Way Foundation Golf Tournament, organized by Patrick Bacon. This event, sponsored by Forest City Insurance, aims to raise funds and awareness for the foundation following the loss of a family member. Travis emphasizes the importance of community and supporting friends and family through charitable efforts.

Notable Quote:
Travis Kelsey [08:06]: "It's just cool to see everybody in our childhood, in Bacon's life come together for a good cause."

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3. The Bet: Mahomes' Weight Loss Challenge [10:20 - 13:29]

Travis shares a humorous bet made with Matt Nagy regarding quarterback Patrick Mahomes' weight loss journey. The challenge stipulates that if Nagy fails to lose 25 pounds by their Tahoe meet-up, he must participate in a round of golf dressed as a member of the Blue Man Group. The segment is filled with playful banter and camaraderie, highlighting the brothers' close relationship.

Notable Quote:
Travis Kelsey [12:50]: "I made the bet that if you lose, you have to do a round in Tahoe dressed as the Blue Man Group."

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4. New Heights Film Club: Movie Selection [03:57 - 07:56]

The Kelce brothers discuss the final installment of their New Heights Film Club, where listeners vote on movies to watch and review. This episode's selected film is "Pretty Woman," which garnered 45% of the votes. They debate the merits and popularity of "Pretty Woman" compared to other contenders like "The Princess Bride" and "Jaws," ultimately deciding to watch and review "Pretty Woman" in an upcoming episode.

Notable Quote:
Jason Kelsey [07:08]: "Pretty Woman it is. We'll watch and review at one of the up and coming New Heights Film Club episodes."

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5. No Dumb Questions Segment [16:24 - 21:21]

In the "No Dumb Questions" segment, Travis and Jason answer listener inquiries about group chats within their teams. They discuss the existence of tight-knit group chats among players and coaches, emphasizing the importance of effective communication and camaraderie within the team environment.

Notable Quote:
Jason Kelsey [14:56]: "There are plenty of people who would practically get any tattoo to be on the pod. The tattoo would be a talking point for the rest of their life."

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6. Main Interview with Matt Nagy [21:21 - 77:41]

Guest: Matt Nagy, Offensive Coordinator, Kansas City Chiefs

a. Confidence in Patrick Mahomes [30:03 - 33:13]

Matt Nagy recounts the Chiefs' decision to draft Patrick Mahomes, emphasizing the team's conviction based on Mahomes' exceptional football IQ, leadership qualities, and on-field performance. He shares anecdotes about mentoring Mahomes and the initial support from coaches like Brett Veach and Coach Andy Reid.

Notable Quote:
Matt Nagy [31:00]: "As we all started watching more and more tapes, we were like, 'he was special,' and I couldn't put the film down."

b. Coaching Philosophy and Andy Reid's Influence [35:13 - 52:40]

Matt delves into his experiences under the mentorship of Andy Reid, highlighting Reid's holistic approach to coaching that goes beyond X's and O's. He shares personal stories about Andy Reid's impact on his professional and personal growth, emphasizing the importance of trust, relationships, and continuous improvement.

Notable Quote:
Matt Nagy [35:13]: "He's always trying to make us better... it's all for one common denominator."

c. Team Culture and Relationships [56:12 - 65:19]

Discussing his tenure as head coach in Chicago, Matt emphasizes the significance of building strong relationships across all departments—offense, defense, and special teams. He reflects on the challenges of transforming team culture and the lessons learned from past experiences, including fostering trust and sustaining bonds with players and coaches.

Notable Quote:
Matt Nagy [56:12]: "The relationships with the entire team... create trust and build a positive culture."

d. Memorable Stories and Anecdotes [44:06 - 55:43]

Matt shares entertaining and insightful stories from his coaching career, including a humorous incident involving almost choking on a steak with Andy Reid and a memorable moment with a rookie player confronting a grizzly bear. These anecdotes illustrate the unpredictable and dynamic nature of coaching in the NFL.

Notable Quote:
Matt Nagy [55:31]: "I could have just got him and just... Thankfully, he saved himself."

e. Offensive Strategies and Play Development [73:09 - 74:05]

The conversation shifts to offensive coordination, where Matt discusses the complexities of play-calling and game-planning. He highlights the evolution of defensive strategies and how modern defenses present new challenges for offensive gameplay, necessitating innovative approaches.

Notable Quote:
Matt Nagy [73:09]: "If I'm gonna say no... That's no criticism."

f. Mentorship and Player Development [67:30 - 77:41]

Matt emphasizes the role of mentorship in player development, particularly how veteran players like Travis Kelce contribute to the growth of younger teammates. He underscores the mutual respect and competitive spirit that drive the team forward, fostering an environment of continuous learning and excellence.

Notable Quote:
Matt Nagy [67:30]: "You guys have that DNA thing. You guys have it."

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7. Closing Remarks [77:42 - 79:50]

The episode concludes with final thoughts from Jason and Travis, encouraging listeners to subscribe and engage with the New Heights community. They briefly mention upcoming content and express gratitude towards Matt Nagy for his insightful participation.

Notable Quote:
Travis Kelsey [78:07]: "Thank you to Matt Nagy for joining us on the show."

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Key Takeaways

• Patrick Mahomes' Selection: Matt Nagy's unwavering confidence in Mahomes was pivotal in securing him for the Chiefs, based on his exceptional skills and leadership.

• Andy Reid's Mentorship: Reid's comprehensive coaching philosophy significantly shaped Matt Nagy's approach to coaching, emphasizing personal growth and team cohesion.

• Team Culture: Building and maintaining strong relationships across all team sectors is crucial for fostering trust and achieving sustained success.

• Innovative Strategies: The NFL's evolving defensive strategies require constant adaptation and creativity in offensive play-calling.

• Mentorship Matters: Veteran players play a vital role in mentoring younger teammates, contributing to their development and the overall success of the team.

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Transcript

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Extra special. So if I'm trying to be extra special.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

You're glowing, dude. You look great.

[Jason Kelsey]

The setup she's got. She's got a great setup.

[Travis Kelsey]

Really highlights her features.

[Jason Kelsey]

Kylie's going to look good regardless. But I think. I'm not going to lie. I think I'm. I think I look pretty good in this light.

[Travis Kelsey]

Get over yourself. What do you get?

[Jason Kelsey]

A tan and a wax?

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you kidding me? Get some sun and a wax, tan and a wax, and all of a sudden, Jason's tan, wax and a new studio set up.

[Jason Kelsey]

And that's all we need to make me full of myself. All right, let's fucking go.

[Travis Kelsey]

Welcome to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wonder show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible. Why read when you can listen? We're your host. I'm Travis Kelsey. My big brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Look at this old school, 1980s Heights hat. Dude, this thing's sweet.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's the tiger I remember.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out to Dave Damio Day for giving me it. Subscribe on YouTube Wunderie plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show and all social media at New Heights show with 1s. Jason, tell the people what we got.

[Jason Kelsey]

Coming up today we got another incredible, incredible episode for United two Percenters. We'll pick a film for the final installment of the New Heights Film club. We're going to answer some not so dumb questions as we always do. And we've got an incredible conversation with Chiefs offensive coordinator, my former quarterbacks coach with the Philadelphia Eagles, Matt Nagy. That's right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's go, Nags. It's my guy right there.

[Jason Kelsey]

We finally get to hear his side of the story on giving Pat Mahomes the answers to the test.

[Travis Kelsey]

Slide him the test a little bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Listen, if it's Pat Mahomes and you're that confident, give him the answers. All righty.

[Travis Kelsey]

He already has the answers.

[Jason Kelsey]

We're also going to get his opinions and thoughts on the Chiefs offense heading into the 2025 season. But before that, it's time for a little bit of that new news. New news is brought to you by American Express. All Right. And the new news is we are watching Pretty Woman.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's do it.

[Jason Kelsey]

The Talia's in the. Talia is in Pretty Woman walking down the street. Pretty Woman, the one I'd like to meet. Pretty Woman.

[Travis Kelsey]

We'll watch the movie, circle back and wait.

[Jason Kelsey]

That song isn't in that movie though, is it?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, guarantee it is. Guarantee it.

[Jason Kelsey]

I wonder why. Okay, so who is. What's Pretty Woman? Is that Patrick Swayze? Who's a pretty woman? I don't know. I know nothing about this film.

[Travis Kelsey]

Not Swayze. It is Julia Roberts. And dude, another like 980s like Russell. Suave dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

Kurt Russell. John Travolta.

[Travis Kelsey]

More stoic Steven Seagal. Oh, it's Richard Gere.

[Jason Kelsey]

Richard Gere. I should have seen that one coming.

[Travis Kelsey]

Old Richard.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm a big fan. All right, here we go. Pretty Woman. Let's do it. Pretty Woman.

[Travis Kelsey]

Be a pretty big fan.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, I'm actually. I'm just fucking around. All right. Pretty woman received over 45% of the votes. The next closest Princess Bride. I almost want to watch print 2. Can we do 2? Should we do 2 movies?

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right. Pretty Woman it is. I'm just going to watch Jaws. Just because it's a fucking banger.

[Travis Kelsey]

Give you more nightmares. You're fucking sick. This guy wants to keep in for like getting himself right. I heard a funny ass tweet that said if you watch Jaws, backwards words. It's just a really, really heartfelt story of a shark giving people their limbs back.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, nice, nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

People giving people limbs. Well, he's funny as hell.

[Jason Kelsey]

It starts with the shark being reanimated from an explosion and then he is then whole again and then it's him just regurgitating limbs onto amputees. Yeah. All right. Anyways, it's a magical shark.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, there it is. Here it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, there we go. Agreeable Greg. There we go. Shout out to agreeable Greg. Yeah, that's a good tweet. That's a good tweet. What does that look rides me the joke. What do you get if you play a country song backwards? You get your wife back. That's another good joke. Those are both good jokes. Pretty Woman it is.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm gonna watch Austin Powers then. If you're gonna watch Jaws.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm watching Austin Powers, dude. I'm telling you. Will you please. If we're not gonna do Princess Bride this time, let's negate the whole vote. New Princess Bride for the next film club movie. It's a fucking incredible movie and I'm upset that you haven't seen it, Travis. You'll love it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'll watch Pretty Woman first.

[Jason Kelsey]

Fair enough. Fair enough, Fair enough. All right. Yeah, we wasted a lot of time getting here, but the 92 percenters eventually selected pretty Woman, which we will watch and review at one of the up and coming New Heights Film Club episodes. But thank you so much for helping us find these videos.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Thank you, guys.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, we're looking forward to this. I really am. I never know what to expect. I like watching movies. I love judging things. So prepare to be judged, Julia Roberts, by somebody who knows nothing about the film industry.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I can't wait to judge you, Richard Gear.

[Jason Kelsey]

Some more new news. Travis attended the Patrick Bacon Charity Golf Tournament.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. Yeah. Shout out to Patty Bakes.

[Jason Kelsey]

Shout out to Patty Bates.

[Travis Kelsey]

Look at that forehead. Mega. Put a fucking satellite dish on that thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

What does the funds of the Patty Bake turn a golf tournament go towards?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, so it's not the Patrick Bacon Golf Tournament. It's the. The Alex's Way Foundation Golf tournament that my guy, Patrick Bacon runs. Proud sponsor, Forest City Insurance, which is the insurance company Patrick Bacon is. Is in charge of.

[Jason Kelsey]

And, well, that's awesome. Congrats out to Patty Banks and everybody involved with that charity. That sounds tremendous. Happy for all those guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Honestly, man, it's just cool to see, you know, everybody in our. In my childhood, in Bacon's life come together for a good cause. He had a family member pass away a few years ago, and they, they try and raise funds to help the awareness around it. And it's just. It's an awesome, awesome event knowing, you know, how. How much of a Slappy Bacon can be, but how much of a. How much of a good guy he can be and, and the beautiful family that. That is up there in Cleveland, Ohio, that, that it supports. And it was just dope. It was. It was a fun outing up there at Sandridge, which I never gave enough credit for how beautiful it is up there on the east side of Cleveland. But it's. It was a fun deal, man. And it was cool to see all the family and friends that, that we grew up around that I hadn't seen in such a long time and posted a solid score. Shout out to Chuck Charlie Grace for keeping our score low. But that was a good deal, man. Had a lot of fun up there, raising some funds for a great cause. And sure enough, yeah, going up there to support old Patty Banks, my caddy out in Tahoe. He's a. He.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's A fan favorite in the celebs and familiar faces that you see out there. Patty Bake's been doing this thing for quite a while now, so it's. It was cool to get up there and support him for his foundation and shout out to Forest City Insurance, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why has he got the calves covered up? Everybody knows Patty Banks has the. The best cav game in the industry. Those calves.

[Travis Kelsey]

Those calves would get him up and down that course out there in the altitude of Tahoe, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

I cannot wait to see him out in Tahoe.

[Travis Kelsey]

Isn't he just the best, man? He's everyone's favorite human being, man. Did you. Did he text you?

[Matt Nagy]

Patrick texted me in the middle of the week and goes, hey, bro, what are we doing? Because he goes, what?

[Travis Kelsey]

This is why I'm not texting him.

[Matt Nagy]

Because we're doing a Tahoe episode, right? I was like, I don't think so. And he goes, bro, we got to. I've got so many ideas. I'll hit you back. And I never heard from her again.

[Travis Kelsey]

Because I told him we're not doing it. Do you know about this bet that we're doing?

[Jason Kelsey]

What do you. What. What bet?

[Travis Kelsey]

What's the bet? He had been trying to lose weight, so I told him, all right, I'll make. I'll make you a bet for Tao if you get down £25 by Tahoe. Yeah, I'll. I'll give you. I'll give you 10 bands.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Travis Kelsey]

And he said, all right, deal. And I said, all right, but I don't. I don't want money. I want. If you lose the bet, you have to do a round in Tahoe dressed as the Blue Man Crew.

[Matt Nagy]

Wow. Wow.

[Jason Kelsey]

Has the official way. Has the official weigh in happened yet?

[Travis Kelsey]

No, no, no. The official weigh in is the 10th. We're doing it the 10th.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is he just gonna, like, sweat it out?

[Travis Kelsey]

He said. And he says he's bringing his scale. I'm just like, this motherfucker's gonna have that thing. No, no, no, he's cheating.

[Jason Kelsey]

We'll bring our. We'll bring our own scale. But he's just gonna sweat it out. He's just gonna wrestler style it. Come on, Pat. We know you're not working.

[Travis Kelsey]

He just text me, it's your chance, Patrick. This is it.

[Matt Nagy]

We're not calling back.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nothing. Wow. He said, I'm naked. Give me a minute.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's sounds about right. That's.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, that's. I would have guessed.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sure. So he's. He's. You don't know where he's currently at?

[Travis Kelsey]

No idea where he's currently at.

[Jason Kelsey]

He looks pretty thin. He looks a little lean in that photo. I'm not gonna lie. I don't know if it's the pants or the jacket.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, listen, Jason, we're all. We're. We're on. We're on Patrick's side. I'm just trying to give him some motivation.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm definitely on your side. I want to see him.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, I'm a hater.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm sorry, I'm not. I'm definitely on your. I'm Team Travis. I want him to do blue man group.

[Travis Kelsey]

I know. That's why I made the bet.

[Matt Nagy]

I want the blue man group.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's why I made the bet.

[Jason Kelsey]

The weigh in is Wednesday. Is it in front of you?

[Travis Kelsey]

No, it's Thursday. It's the Thursday.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thursday. The Thursday before the round.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, he's. He's keeps trying to push it to Friday morning. I'm just like, dude, stop.

[Jason Kelsey]

No.

[Travis Kelsey]

As soon as we get to Tahoe, you're on the scale. And either you're there or you're not. We're not doing this whole, like, you go to the sauna and don't eat anything for a day and just sweat it out like, no, we're not doing this is it. Do that shit on your own time. I'm not.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you have blue paint form?

[Travis Kelsey]

Come on now. I did it the right way. I went to a clown shop, got the blue paint, got this, got the. The bald scully that you got to put on. And then there's like an acrylic like, like over the top layer that you put on so that it doesn't like, sweat and get in the eyes and mouth and.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice, nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's gonna look like, dude, there's no way. He said, at this point, I.

[Jason Kelsey]

At this point, I pay a hundred.

[Travis Kelsey]

Thousand dollars to not wear the blue man suit.

[Jason Kelsey]

You kidding me?

[Travis Kelsey]

This is the most unfair bet ever.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's a fucking ridiculous person, isn't he?

[Travis Kelsey]

Fucking hilarious.

[Matt Nagy]

I love him.

[Travis Kelsey]

The guy's a spectacle.

[Jason Kelsey]

In other new news, the new Heights Reddit page, 92 percenters want to know if we're serious about the Jets Jake tattoo. I believe. I mean, we're dead serious. Why would we not be serious? All right, do you guys think that they'll actually bring someone on the POD if they get the tattoo? If so, are there any rules on where it has to be? That's a good question. I would definitely go out.

[Travis Kelsey]

How much do you guys love this show?

[Jason Kelsey]

What are the parameters of the Jets Jake pinup tattoo? Your third leg has to be shown in the tattoo. It's got to be very. It's. What else?

[Matt Nagy]

What else?

[Jason Kelsey]

For the. Just shake.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, it's just Jake. So you gotta have. You gotta have the jets in there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jets have to be incorporated.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, jets. He's also Nick's guy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Does there have to be, like, a size parameter?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't think so. I think it just has to be. Yeah, that's be. It has to be respectable.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, no, it has to be disrespectful.

[Travis Kelsey]

A respectable size of the man.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't think that there's a space that is off limits. I think wherever you're willing to show the said tattoo. I'm trying to think, like, what would. What would. A space that somebody would do that I would not want, like, would not qualify, and I can't think of one. Can you? Yeah, no. Yeah. So anywhere. I think anywhere works. What does it say? I'm not sure they thought that one through, because there are plenty of people who would practically get any tattoo to be on the pod. The tattoo would be a talking point for the rest of their life. I mean, listen, if people want to do it, I think you deserve to come on the pot.

[Travis Kelsey]

I would respect it.

[Jason Kelsey]

The problem is, what happens if more than one person does it? Like, we could only have one person on the pod.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, then we just. We put it to a fanboat on the. On the. On the best one.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think that's fair. All right, there we go. Exactly, dude. Like, I'm on the way to the parlor as soon as I get confirmation that they really will do this. Listen, do it. We'll get you on the pod. We'd love to have you on the pod. I can't wait to see what this bit of artwork looks like. Forewarning, though, if multiple people do it, I can't guarantee a spot on the pod.

[Travis Kelsey]

Forewarning.

[Jason Kelsey]

We will at least show the artwork if more than one person does it. But to be on the pod, I think you gotta. If you're the only person, then you're on. If there's multiple people, then we're gonna have to some divvy up some type of voting system. All right, in the last bit of new news, 92 percenters, we have come to the end of the road. New heights is wrapping up for the season. We will air the last episode of season three, Wednesday, July 23rd.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, we will.

[Jason Kelsey]

Crazy Travis is going to training camp, as you all know. Hey, Joe, whenever training camp starts, we take a hiatus from the pod because it's nearly impossible to do a podcast while somebody's in training camp. We're gonna have a bunch of good, great pre taped episodes for you guys. We have two great guests coming up as well as Matt Nagy right now. So we still have some great episodes lined up. But we will be taking a hiatus July 23rd through training camp. That does it for new news brought to you by American Express.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, buddy. All right, now let's get to some no Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Perplexity AI. Discover fast and reliable search with Perplexity AI. Today. I like team group chats. Let's do team group chats.

[Jason Kelsey]

Team group chats. Let's go.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hey, Travis and Jason, this is Riley. Love the show.

[Matt Nagy]

I wanted to ask if there is a big group chat with the entire.

[Travis Kelsey]

Team for either the Chiefs and the.

[Matt Nagy]

Eagles or if there's just a bunch of individual group chats and if there are, how active are you both in them?

[Jason Kelsey]

I missed the question. What was it? Are there group chats and are we in them? There's usually at least a group chat for the position group. At least for the offensive line.

[Travis Kelsey]

There was 100%. We, we got a tight end group chat. Yeah, for sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

And usually there are more people that are active on those group chats. They're usually the more rambunctious or the people that just want to fuck around in them. But there's also like coaches in there. So I wouldn't say that those ones are the most rambunctious. I think the most rambunctious are usually the ones that are just like group chats on the side with like a select amount of the team or certain personalities that you just vibe with. Oh, yeah, Is that similar for you?

[Travis Kelsey]

100%. Yeah. Coach Tommy Melvin. Coach, Coach Melvin, he's the one that kind of makes sure the. The group chat is. Has the right guys in there. You know what I mean? Because sometimes, you know, you got a guy, you got a bubble guy and he's kind of off the practice squad. On the practice squad, you want to make sure that that guy's in the loop and informed with everything that we got coming up. And the group chat is up to date with who's actually in the room.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

Coach Melvin does it for the tight end group. But like you said, man, I have so many different football group chats from my team now from my team back in 2016. Like, the group chats just, they keep going up. And it's the same with college. I still have group chats with guys from college. Me, Jason, are in a few. And it's, it's just fun, man. It's always, it's always a blast. Catching up and just throwing the most absurd. In the group chat. Yes, of course you have to name the group chats. Yes.

[Jason Kelsey]

There you go.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's the best part of having a group chat.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, what's our college? Our college.

[Travis Kelsey]

We can't do that. We can't. Jason. No, we can't do that one.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm gonna say it. Trailer light, boys.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, well, I'm gonna politely ask that you don't put this on there. Brandon.

[Matt Nagy]

I didn't. I didn't see nothing.

[Travis Kelsey]

I didn't see nothing.

[Matt Nagy]

Travis.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's a good one.

[Matt Nagy]

Alrighty.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

All right, nags. Let's have some fun, big guy.

[Matt Nagy]

Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jason, would you do the honors, my brother?

[Jason Kelsey]

Absolutely. All right. Our guest today is a 6 foot 2 quarterback out of the University of Delaware, the 2018 AP Coach of the Year, two time Super bowl champion, and the current offensive coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs, 92 percenters. Please welcome Matt Nagy.

[Matt Nagy]

What's up, fellas? What's going on? How great.

[Jason Kelsey]

How we doing, coach?

[Matt Nagy]

Love it.

[Travis Kelsey]

We love that you joined us, man. There's a lot of ties in here between the. The Upper east coast, the Philly connection, the Kansas City connection. So it's awesome. And we'll get into all of that. You already know, man.

[Matt Nagy]

No, no doubt.

[Travis Kelsey]

Appreciate you jumping on with us, dude.

[Matt Nagy]

East coast, guys, right? East coast.

[Travis Kelsey]

Come on now. Come on now. Ain't nothing wrong with it. I'm getting accustomed to it. I'm a Midwesterner myself. Been stuck here forever, but I'm getting accustomed to it. Good. Coach, what. How OTA has been, man, it's been great. You've been excited seeing these young pieces come in and. And see their talent and everything.

[Matt Nagy]

It happens quick. The guys get in. You know it. Travis, you've been in here and you got kind of get to you get those juices back going again. And the guys are rolling. Coach Reed, man, he doesn't stop. He's non stop. He can't get enough of it. We love and I think the guys are in a good mindset right now. Everything that happened in that super bowl, we put that aside, we use it. And guys are in a good framework, coaches and players.

[Jason Kelsey]

I know Trav's excited for that long drive, Drew. No doubt about it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Come on now. Come on now, man. It'll bring the best out of you, baby. It'll bring the best out of you, man.

[Matt Nagy]

He kills it, you know?

[Jason Kelsey]

Test your Mentally, Yo, I tell.

[Travis Kelsey]

I would tell everybody this all the time, man. You can train your ass off doing everything possible. You could go to flipping tires, the running cross country, you know, I mean, running hills, doing. You can do all of the. All of the training, the perfect, like, off season training possible. There is nothing that will get you ready for an Andy Reid long drive drill.

[Jason Kelsey]

No.

[Travis Kelsey]

You are going to start that drill and just know mentally that after about 15 to 18 plays, you are going to be miserable.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes. Yes.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's nothing you could do about it other than just take that misery on with a good attitude.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And I think, like, you know what? It's a funny story. So last year, two years ago, I was at the airport and I forget what. What city I was in, whether it was Nashville or where it was, but I ran into Mitch Morse, of all people, and he was in.

[Travis Kelsey]

Love, that guy, man. Hell of a career, man.

[Matt Nagy]

And he was leaving, Doug, was that. Peterson was down in Jacksonville and Mitch was leaving to go down to Jacksonville and it was the off season. He had just got traded there, just signed there. And he said, you know, Nags, he goes, man, I'm excited for my opportunity here and get going here for maybe one last year in Jacksonville with man Nags. He's like, damn it, man. He's like, I do not look forward to these long drive drills. I almost didn't sign here with these long drive drills. And I just started dying, laughing and just thinking of all you guys, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

It'S the best, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

I still remember. And I don't. You. You probably don't remember this, coach, but when Andy, it was, I think my second year. It might have been my first year. Long drive drill, and we run a screen in the red zone. This had to be like, play 14 or 15. And coach had to call a timeout because I just.

[Matt Nagy]

Never will. I forget that.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's like, you all right, big fella? I'm like, yeah, I'll be all right. He's like, oh, get back in there. Let's go. We gotta get.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is so good, Trav.

[Jason Kelsey]

Did you know coach almost played my rookie year?

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you know this dude? I did not know. I was just gonna say. You said you didn't have any experience at the Andy Dreeve long drive drill. I thought you were out there slinging it with him, Mike.

[Jason Kelsey]

Vic got hurt and we, like. I think Vince was having some issues too, or something. Like in. They. There's rumblings. They gave you a workout, didn't they? They put you on the field, Yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

I actually practiced, man. It was great. You guys get all these years of touchdowns and Super Bowls, and, man, I got one day in the sun. And, yeah, they called me up and they were. I was an intern at the time, and now I think they have a rule for it. Like, you know, you see the interns that come to practices in training camp, and they sit in the meetings and they follow. You know, that was me in 2008, 2009, and my second year, you know, I. I was there just helping out, coaching. And yeah, Coach Veech. Veech was in Philly. Then he calls me up, he goes, nags, what are you doing? Come over here, man. You got to go talk to coach. And then coach goes, do you have an agent? Coach is like, do you have an agent? Are you in shape? And, you know, the playbook. And I was like, yes, yes, and yes. And I really didn't know the playbook. I wasn't in shape, but I ended up getting to have one day in practice. And then they said, you know what? No, dude, you're out. You can't do it. They nix it. They nixed it.

[Jason Kelsey]

They put a rule in.

[Matt Nagy]

They called it intern stashing because there's.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, a way to add other player. Like, increase your roster size by having, like, players as, like, that ain't right, man.

[Matt Nagy]

And that was it, man. On to the coaching world.

[Travis Kelsey]

How about that, though? You and Veech, man, a lot of. A lot of. I don't know if a lot of people know you and Brett Veach played college ball together. You were throwing. You were throwing my guy touchdown passes left and right, man. Ve was. Was your wide receiver, right?

[Matt Nagy]

He was, yeah. He came in as a running back. I don't know if y' all know that, but he played at a big program in Mount Car. His dad was the coach, and he was a year college wise, younger than me, and so he came in as a running back and we needed some help at wide receiver, so we bumped him to wide receiver there towards the end of my career, and I was out there throwing him passes, man, for a couple years, and he was. He was awesome, man. He. We had a couple. Couple plays versus Villanova that we still talk about to this day, and he was just. He was a hell of a player.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hell, yeah, dog. That's so crazy, man. Going to college with somebody like that and then finding a way to. To work with them and win championships with them. That's got to be a cool connection, man, between you guys.

[Matt Nagy]

Oh, there's no doubt. And. And, you know, the reason why I'm in the NFL right now is because of Brett Veach, my dog.

[Jason Kelsey]

Speaking of coaching and college, you guys are going to be setting the St. Joe's before sooner or later for a little bit of training camp action. You're. You guys are getting back Rasheed Rice and Isaiah Pacheco fully healthy this year, coming off of some injuries. How much both those guys mean when they're fully healthy for you guys? Kansas City, it's.

[Matt Nagy]

It's huge for us. And, you know, these guys, I think it's very important for everybody to know. Like, people talk about it, and I was. I've been able to witness it, but when they. These guys, they don't understand. And Pat went through it with Alex, but they don't understand how lucky they are to be able to have Trav help them and what. What they do. Understanding how to practice, how to run routes, you know, the little details of just understanding how to take coaching. And so, like, I watch. I watch, and I know it's been documented, but, like, when Trav takes them off to the side and starts talking to them in his own lingo of how to run a certain route, that's like 10 times his weight in gold versus what any of us coaches are going to tell these guys because it's respect factor that they have. And. And he doesn't have to do that. He's. He's the greatest tight end, you know, to ever play the game. Jace, you're the greatest center to ever play the game. I mean, that's an unbelievable tandem. And for me to be able to coach you guys and see, like, what you guys were as mentors, those two young guys, Rasheed and Xavier, what they have with Trav and what they have with Coach Reed and Patrick, it's special. And it really, honestly, like, it makes coaching fun, and it lets them just grow. And, like, we see the growth and development, and that's the exciting part, is, like, to put it all together and everyone's so selfless.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. And those are the best teams. The best teams are when the players are also coaching. Right. They're coaching up the young guys for sure. And that's also helping them retain it. Like, I always felt like, you know, the players coaching, like, the young guys, it wasn't like I was saying anything different than what Stout was saying. I'm just regurgitating that. But I'm saying it in a way because we're both on the same end receiving it from Stout. And when you say it to the player next to you, they're receiving it in the same way you interpreted it from the coach. Does that make sense? There's, like, a weird thing where, like, when you both are receiving the information from the head coach, then you have the same frame of reference from how it's taught. It's easier than to go off of that and say basically the same thing, just in, like, a slightly different way that the guy understands it, maybe in a different way.

[Matt Nagy]

Right.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's just a little bit more reassuring for the young guys. And I appreciate you saying that. Nags you already know. I'm just one. I'm just one of your disciples, man. I just know I can find a way to. To. To make it make sense a little bit more. And sometimes all it takes is a few extra conversations about what we're seeing out there to really get everybody on the same page, man.

[Matt Nagy]

For sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

Absolutely. You keep mentioning a guy named Pat Mahomes, though.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And I know we need to clear something up here. We had. We had. We had old Patty Mahomes on the show, and he told us a story prior to his draft interview with the Chiefs that you gave him the keys to the. You gave him the answers.

[Jason Kelsey]

Did you give answers to the test?

[Travis Kelsey]

You gave him the answers to the test next.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, man. Fortunately, it ended up working out pretty good. You know, I mean, Veech and I were. You know, we knew how much Veech and Coach Reed liked them, and obviously I was in love with them, too. So, like, you go into that process, and you guys know that. That whole deal with the combine and how it goes, but, man, when you're convicted with somebody and. And you feel the way that we all did, I don't know. I. I guess it was better to ask for forgiveness than permission. One of those type of deals.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah. I'll never forget it, because we just sat back and we went through. Off to the side in the deal, like, in between meetings throughout the day. It was middle of the day. We actually talked a little bit through. All Go Special. Travis.

[Travis Kelsey]

Come on, now, baby.

[Matt Nagy]

You know, just a little bit of some simple plays, but a few of them. And we also just said, hey, man, you can't. You got to get one or two wrong here. Can't be 100% on the test. 95. Yeah, he really. Yeah, but he killed it in the deal, and I think it stayed pretty quiet for many years. And then I guess he's the one that busted it out a few years ago.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I love it.

[Matt Nagy]

Fortunately, ended up working out.

[Travis Kelsey]

Unbelievable, dog.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, let me ask you this. What. What made you so confident that Pat was the guy coming out to be. To do that?

[Matt Nagy]

You know, watching the tape. When we watch these players on tape, you know, you sit there and you. You can't put the tape down. You just want to keep watching more and more and more. And as you're watching it, you just see the plays that he's making and these stupid throws that, you know, he saw so much drop eight in college. There was so much drop eight. So it was like part of you was like, he's seeing all this drop ape. He's scrambling around, and, you know, no one's better than him when he's outside the pocket running around. He can make special throws, and he was doing a lot of that. So the question was like, okay, what type of person is he? And, you know, what's his, you know, football IQ like? And does he love the game and all this stuff, the intangible things? And so, like, as we all started watching more and more tapes, we were like, you know, Coach Reed and Veach and these guys were like, we got to. We got to take these quarterbacks, we got to bring them into. Into the room and spend, like, you know, a good six to eight hours with each of these guys in that draft class. And really, you know, we knew how much we loved the player, but bringing him in and just seeing him take it to the top with the person side of it was, oh, yeah, unbelievable. And, like, you could just see, like, he was special, and you didn't know it until things were going to happen, but, I mean, my gosh, like, we were all on board. It was all conviction, and we. I just couldn't put the team. The film down. He was just special.

[Travis Kelsey]

I hear you, man. I'm with you on the. The first time you meet him and that first. What's up, dog?

[Matt Nagy]

That first, like, yo, is good.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's like, it's like your family forever after you get there, man. He's such a good dude, and I already know he's going to ace that part of the test every single time. And I'm sure the football IQ was already through the roof when he got in.

[Matt Nagy]

The second that happened, the moment it happened, we were super excited. And, you know, it just was. It was one of those deals where then he came in as a freshman or, excuse me, as a rookie with Alex, you know, and it's like. And Alex taught me as a young position coach, you know, he's one of the most special Human beings and people in my life and what he did for that room and for Patrick and for myself and coach, everybody, that, that year, we'll all never forget it. And I, I just could tell story after story of that season of how good he was to Patrick and also how well Patrick came in. Like, like Patrick didn't come in trying to be like, hey, I'm the guy, I'm the future guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

He came in the best teammate he.

[Matt Nagy]

Could possibly be, no doubt. And it just took off and I think like, you know, but I mean.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll say this though, a lot of the times that it's a two way street, but the veteran in the room usually dictates how that goes. And because if the veteran is open to it and they embrace this opportunity to teach this young guy and to be a productive like room, it usually goes well, right?

[Matt Nagy]

Without a doubt. I mean, Alex is, you know, because of how good Patrick is, people forget what Alex did in the time that he was here.

[Travis Kelsey]

Especially that year. Especially that year, specifically that year.

[Matt Nagy]

Because you remember, we all remember because we kind of took it personal. You know, everyone was calling Alex like a game manager, check down Charlie type guy and go back to 17 his last year when Patrick was drafted. Go back and check out the numbers and tell us who, who had the highest checking downfield like he didn't care. And Patrick or Alex was just killing it, man. And he's a winner. He's a hell of a person. And like you guys said, man, what he did for Patrick and for me as a coach, Coach, I mean, come on, man, that was unbelievable.

[Travis Kelsey]

As good as gold, baby. What he did for me as a, as a professional, his aura in the, in the facility and how he conducted himself as a professional gave me an understanding of what I needed to get better at.

[Matt Nagy]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

And it wasn't always, it wasn't necessarily the attributes, it was how am organizing all this information? How am I, how am I making myself better? Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday? Like, how am I setting up that day on Tuesday? How am I setting up my day on Wednesday to understand the entire base game plan? You know?

[Matt Nagy]

Right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Watching Alex and just talking to him about football, he gave you that confidence and understanding that he knew everything he poss. He could possibly need to know about the defense he was playing. And when you have that, that, that trust in the, not only the guy that's, that's slinging the ball around, but when you have that trust in somebody next to you. You know, Mitchell Schwartz was the exact same weight somebody that I Could. I knew he knew the answers to the test because he, he was so smart and he understood defenses like that. And Alex, I would just go up to him and talk to him about pointless backside of the routes where I knew when it was zoned he was going to the three by side. And I would just be in my mind like, hey, like is there ever a chance you're kind of like he.

[Matt Nagy]

Can back here one.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know what I mean? I would just go up to him and just ask questions, trying not to be annoying with it. But I would just, I just love talking ball with the guy. And he made me such a better player by just giving me just free wisdom, man.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah. And he had so much common sense too. Like, and like, just like, you know, some guys are super smart. He's super smart, really intelligent. Football, high football.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

But he also had like the self awareness of common sense, of understanding, like, you know, why he did certain things. And I think like to me I'll like that's, that's your perspective, Trav. And Pat has his own. But for me, I was a first year quarterback coach in 2013 and the quarterback that we traded for to come into the Chiefs was Alex, his first.

[Travis Kelsey]

Year from San Fran Smitty. Yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

He had like six or seven different coordinators at that time. He forgot more football than I knew. So me coming in to try to coach him like that wasn't easy. But again he was able to learn how to trust me over time and me just try to kind of ease my way into it. Man, I'm just so indebted to Alex, man. He's one the things of, he's just a special, special person.

[Travis Kelsey]

I do got to ask this though. Back on Patty Mahomes from that, from that rookie year, you had the, you had your, your, your running in Chicago and you've, you've come back between those, that, those that first year and the years now. Where do you think he's like changed the most in terms of how he progressed his game from that first year?

[Matt Nagy]

Without a doubt, his protections. You know, he came in his rookie year in, in 17 and really, I mean he was just learning how to call plays. He was all no huddle. So like take a sn rookie year understanding, you know, coverages on the back end protections. But now, I mean, you guys know how we do those walkthroughs in the morning and as, as you know, in 18, 19, 20, 21, those years where you know, everything was just, you guys were clicking and like he was learning through the Coaches, I talked to him through him, like the protections. If he didn't get the protections right, it didn't matter, you know, and you got to know where your hots are. You got to know where you're going with the football, understanding that part of it. And then you can take like the, the, the ability to make the special throws and just know when that's going to happen. And now when I got back in 22 as a quarterback coach and then 23, 24, the last two years as coordinator, I've really gotten to see him understand the student of the game part of not just understanding being a master of protections now, his leadership, what he's learned through you, Trav, and your guys time together of like how to, how to lead the players, but then also how to lead the coaches like us that are with him. Like, like how the communication part of like, listen, you might be explaining a certain route, a certain way to a guy or a young guy, but also this is how I see it. This is how we see it. Think about, you know, doing things this way. And so like he gets why we're doing the big picture, but from again a player's perspective, think about it from this way or that way. He's grown that way. He would have never done that at his early years. You know, there's a lot of things he didn't know. He does know a lot now. He knows what he's seeing coverage wise. He knows when the blitzes are coming. And sometimes, you know, it's our job as coaches to make sure that we don't let that get in the way. But he's grown in so many different areas. But the, probably the biggest part is the change he hasn't done. He's never changed as like he's such a good person and he still competes every single day.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's Patty Mahone, babe.

[Matt Nagy]

And everything he does is Patty Mahone is 100% all the time. And he's just special. He's in a great place.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jason played with my Guy Gardner, Minshew, what was it two years ago? Great, great guy.

[Jason Kelsey]

How's.

[Travis Kelsey]

How's Minshew been in the, in the qb? He, he's sparking it up or is he just. He's playing it. He's playing it cool right now.

[Matt Nagy]

So when he first came in day one, you know, he, he started, it was funny. He basically pulled a prank on our quarterback coach with asking where the quarterback room was at Girardi, man, he was messing with him. Yeah, he got him the first day Just messing with him. And. And it was one of the D's jokes. So he asked him where Room four four. He came in. He's like, man, they told me the quarterback room is in 4, 4, 4D. Like, I couldn't figure out where. And Gerardi kind of looked at him like, what are you talking about for. And he goes 4D, you know, and he kind of swivels his hips a little bit and he's kind of. It was, it was. It was a good icebreaker, I'll say that for Girardi. But he's been really good, man. He. He understands the. The game. He's smart. He's just a great guy. And I think, like, in the room, you know, he. He really. He understands where we're at. He understands where he wants to go. And, man, he's just, just. He is a character, but he. But he also knows when to, you know, lock in and really get serious. He's studying all the time, for sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, he's a pro.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, he's a pro.

[Jason Kelsey]

I gotta ask you, offensive line, you drafted Josh Simmons. This kid looks incredible. Looked incredible at Ohio State. What do you think he'll bring once he's fully back and healthy?

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, I really love his athleticism. You're right. I mean, his. His. His ability to really show his strength and athleticism on the edge, one on one, being able to recover if he gets beat. I mean, it's rare, dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was like flashes of like, Jason Peters, like Trent Williams type A movement and bending and redirecting. I agree 100%.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, agree, man. He's. He's gonna really put it together. And I think, like, right now, just Jace as, you know, man, just kind of understanding the calls and all the different calls you can have at the line of scrimmage when you're gonna, you know, squeeze.

[Jason Kelsey]

And that's what the guards for, tell. He's got to block the man Mountain Dean on the end. The guard could tell him, you know, hey, that's right.

[Matt Nagy]

That's right. So he's really, really been locked in, though. It's been great to see him, like, in meetings and out of practice, he's almost sometimes a little bit too serious because he's really locked in. It's good to see.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what. That's what blew me away, was everybody's talking about how athletic he is, and you see that immediately, seeing him go through drills and. And how. How comfortable he is, how his base. How great of a base he has and everything like that. But even when he's just the scout team stuff because his, his knee isn't just quite back for him to go full go yet. He's dialed in, he's giving good looks, he's making sure he's helped like he is, he is a professional already. He is so bought in and he understands, I think where. What situation that he's in and being that, that big of a pick for, for, you know, the Chiefs, baby, I think he's, he's actually light years ahead of where I was imagining he could be. Not to say that I was expecting something else. I just didn't know what to expect from him. Him not knowing him that well.

[Jason Kelsey]

But he's a rookie.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, exactly, he's a rookie. But he is dialed in and he looks like he's ready to work, baby. And I love that about him.

[Matt Nagy]

He is dialed in. I will say this though, and I gotta, you know, Trav, I don't know if I've ever told you this story. Maybe I have. But the one difference, and there's a. Back in 2011, I do remember a sixth round, six round draft pick coming in as a rookie. And I gotta tell you this story. I don't know if Simmons has this in him right now, but I'll never forget forget it for all my life. So I'm a, I'm a quality control coach and we're in training camp in Philadelphia and we're, we're. It's in the evening and we're kind of in the middle of camp. Guys are tired or pissed off, angry, whatever, you know. But getting ready to do a little learning. At nighttime in the installs, we're having a special teams meeting at around 6 o' clock at night. So everyone's in the special teams room, most of the team. And then there's a bunch of like quarterbacks and quarterback coaches and assistants and some guys that aren't in there that are just kind of hanging out in the hallway. And all of a sudden you just hear this cursing and freaking out and like yelling and it's this. All of a sudden, out running up the steps, these doors pop open and this big grizzly bear just pops out of nowhere and just starts MF and everybody and just starts just pounding, just pounding on the special teams. In the middle of the meeting, he's pounding on the special teams door, pops it open and it's just like, who the F. Did. Who messed with my car? You couldn't pay for my car. You stuck a banana in the pipe. You, you, you saran Wrapped it. Who the heck? And all these. All these guys are in the middle of a special teams meeting. Like, turn around. Like, what are we talking about? Here's a rookie interrupting the team special teams report to kill somebody for messing with this car in the middle of training camp. And we looked at each other to the side as coaches. We go, are you freaking kidding me? We got somebody here, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Walking around.

[Jason Kelsey]

I like that. That was a positive.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, I know.

[Travis Kelsey]

You remember that.

[Matt Nagy]

That.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, you kidding me? Definitely. Don't forget that. That was wild. That was. I was like, hit the door first, and Avant came out afterwards, and he was like, man, I thought somebody was shooting a gun out here. I thought there was gunshots going. It was just you hitting the door.

[Matt Nagy]

And I was like, I'll never forget it, man. I always tell all the rookies that.

[Travis Kelsey]

I remember him telling me that story when I was at Cincinnati. He was like, yeah, man, somebody with my car. And I swear to God, if I find out who it is, I'm gonna kill.

[Jason Kelsey]

Kill him.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude. You're a rookie.

[Matt Nagy]

And all we care about his coaches was we just loved it. We're like, yeah, we got a guy. Sixth round. We got him.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's fired up. He's fired up.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's awesome.

[Travis Kelsey]

Sometimes you just got to show you're a little nuts, man.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I didn't have an issue with that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Don't. Don't take it there.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's easy when you're nuts.

[Matt Nagy]

That's right. No doubt.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

See DKNG co audio. So being under Andy Reid or being with Coach Reid for. For so long, is there any play that is ever off the table? Have you ever gone to him with something like, man, I don't know if. I don't know if he's gonna love this or I don't know if he's gonna, you know, if he's gonna think this is too crazy or.

[Matt Nagy]

You know what? There's really not. I will say. I mean, even to the point, you know, Kelsey, we put that one play in for Chris Jones that. That we had him doing a little bit of a pass.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, Jason, you have no idea. This was. It was bad. Dude, Chris. I love Chris Jones, the death dog. I don't know what it was, but he just. He needs to stay on the defense.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah. Yeah, it just.

[Jason Kelsey]

Just.

[Matt Nagy]

We. We put it in for him, and we had him doing a little throw, and it just. I mean, usually coach, we. We put it in the incubator, like with Don Terry. Po. To jump.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just let that thing simmer, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

You wash it for a couple weeks.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Then, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

This one was called Swinging D, and it wasn't working. Man, that play wasn't working.

[Jason Kelsey]

Swinging D. Are you kidding me? That is amazing.

[Travis Kelsey]

It had the name.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Travis Kelsey]

The reference.

[Jason Kelsey]

If you.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, it.

[Matt Nagy]

It didn't work.

[Travis Kelsey]

We ran it. He would check, and it was a throw to me. Every single throw was like five yards behind me at my feet. I'm just like, coach, I don't think this is gonna work.

[Matt Nagy]

It got canned. It lasted about two weeks. And then swinging D went out. So no more of that. That was gone. But that's about the only one, you know, Coach, man, And when you guys come up with the stuff, it means so much more for him. And he Likes it. And stamps is so much better when you guys. Guys do your creativity. So that. That's the best part.

[Travis Kelsey]

I got. I still got one in my back pocket. I mean, I just might need to just put it on a little note card and just, you know, shove it under his door one of these days, man, make sure he gets to him.

[Matt Nagy]

You got to get it on that. On his whiteboard there. And he gets that beautiful mind going in his whiteboard, man, and you don't know what pops up.

[Travis Kelsey]

There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Speaking of coach, what's it like being Andy Reid's offensive coordinator every single day?

[Matt Nagy]

I make sure that I never take it for granted. And not just being the offensive coordinator, but just being with him, being so lucky to be around him every single day. I look back to when he first hired me in 2010, been with him, you know, till 2017, and then when I left to Chicago and now to be able to take me back and just get to see it from a different perspective. Yeah, he's taught me so much of how to, you know, be a coach, but how to handle certain situations, whether it's a player on or off the field. We talk so much life stuff, too, you know, that probably a lot of people don't know or understand in the coaching world. I mean, it's a lot of X's and O's, but we're together a lot. And so he's given me a lot of fatherly lessons of, like, how to understand, you know, with me having four boys and as they're growing up, things that I can do to help, to help out and be better and.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

And I think, like, you know, this is one of the greatest coaches to ever coach in NFL history.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

And I don't ever take that for granted. So, like, I'm still trying to take in when he gives me a note on a. A simple play that we've been doing for 15 years, I don't want to forget that part of it. Or if he gives me a coaching point of, you know, how to coach a coach. Right. And how to. How to handle a situation on how to do an install. What am I doing? Am I saying a few words, you know, too many, you know, little things like that?

[Jason Kelsey]

Absolutely.

[Matt Nagy]

He's always trying to make us better. And Trav, you know, like, being together all these years, like, whether it's a certain route or whatever, or the blocking technique, he's always going to just try to help you out. And it's all for one common denominator, as you Know too Jace, more than anybody, it's, it's that it comes from love, man. Like this guy, he loves his players.

[Travis Kelsey]

And he loves to see him have success, man. He wants that success for him, man.

[Matt Nagy]

He does. And I think like, that's where for me to watch that and be a part of that. I try to tell these young coaches right now, like what they, how fortunate they are to be able to coach for him and what, you know, we want to do it for him.

[Travis Kelsey]

One of my favorite installs ever. My guy, he was, he's up there and he's kind of talking it through. And Byron Pringle, one of my favorite, he played in Chi town too, man. Listen, Byron Pringle is a wide receiver for us. One of the most physical. Like they didn't get enough credit for the things he did for our team. And Pringle, it was getting, he was starting to like catch strides and he had a big preseason game and he made the team and, and coach was, was like installing a play and he looked over at Pringle and said, pringle, this plays for you, baby. I'm gonna get you that chip deal, baby. I'm gonna get you that chip dance. And I just started dying laughing. I'm like, pre go.

[Matt Nagy]

What you pop the fuck.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't stop.

[Matt Nagy]

Oh man, that's. And he did, he probably did. It probably worked.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you have any favorite Andy story before we move on from coach?

[Matt Nagy]

Gosh, there's, there's so many of them. Gosh, I'm getting caught off guard right now. The one story that, that to that. That occurred in my first Stint here in 20, I think it was 16 or 17. It was like a Tuesday night. We're game planning and every evening coach and I will go at around 5 o' clock and we'll go down to the kitchen, cafeteria and we'll sit down in between our break for half an hour and we'll grab some food. And we've done it for many, many years. And so it was about a 5:30 on a Tuesday. We're in between, it's just coach and I in the cafeteria. And it happened to be a steak night. So we're sitting there and he's eating, he's eating his steak and he kind of all of a sudden I get up and I walk over to the trash can and throw something away. And I look over to the table and I see him kind of like sneezing. And I'm like, man, coach is sneezing. He'll be all right. And he just keeps sneezing. And I'm sitting there, and then he stands up, up. And I'm, like, looking. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to bother him. He's sneezing. I'll let him go. And all of a sudden, he, like. He kind of like. Like, stops, like, coughing and choking. And I'm like, the guy's choking. Like, he's. He's choking, and I'm not. I gotta go. And it. He stopped and he's like, oh, man. He looks at me and he's like, he's a man. I go, oh, coach, I thought you were sneezing. He goes, no, I was choking on a piece of steak. And I go, what? I go, like, I thought you were sneezing. I didn't. I didn't know what was going on. So here it is, like. Like, I'm such an idiot, because I'm trying to be polite and, like, not bother him for sneezing, but the guy is choking on a piece of steak, and it's just me and him. If he goes down, it's totally my fault.

[Jason Kelsey]

You had a chance to Heimlich maneuver Andy Reid.

[Matt Nagy]

I've never done it ever. And I could have just got him and just, you know, and that would have been quite the story. But thank God he saved himself.

[Travis Kelsey]

There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank goodness. Thank goodness.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Before we get. Move along from just coaching in general, from. From your time learning under coach Reed and then the time in Chi Town, from going from, you know, offensive coordinator and everything, you were. You were even dialing up plays that year. That last year was smitty and everything.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

What was the biggest difference in. In leading both sides of the ball and being that head coach in Chicago than it was just being a coordinator? Like, what. What do you think the biggest difference was?

[Matt Nagy]

100. The relationships with the entire team. So the defense and. And the special teams. And then understand, sure. That those guys know I have the pulse of who they are and what's going on. And so, like, in 2018, when we got to Chicago, the. There just wasn't a lot of energy. You know, they needed a little bit of positivity going around. And I think, like, what we had to do was create that culture, and the only way you do that is by winning. But you got to build trust, and you got to build relationships with the players, so they do trust you. And the only way to do that is to be around them. Like, you can sit there and talk X's and O's all you want.

[Travis Kelsey]

But.

[Matt Nagy]

But if you're not around them and they don't know who you are and you don't know who they are, it won't work. And I think, like, for me, my best time to do that was to jump into meetings where I couldn't do that as a coordinator. So, like, as a head coach, I can jump into the special teams meeting, I can jump in to Coach Fangio's defensive meetings, and then when we're out stretching, like, I will walk around and talk to all the defensive guys, and then I would meet with some of the guys one on one and try to build a rapport with those. With those leaders. And. And I think, like, you know, as the three years after that went on till 20, 21, where I look back and reflect and say, man, I wish I would have done this better. It's staying on top of those relationships that we built. And, you know, like, new players come in, old players leave. I probably didn't do a good enough job of creating that bond with those players and sustaining it so that when you hit a tough patch, you can get through that, you know, get through the lows. And I think, like, that's where I needed to be better. And I reflect on that I. A lot. And, you know, you guys both know me, like, I'm an outgoing person and I, I feel like it's, you know, it's important to have a good relationship with guys and let them trust you, but you. You gotta. You gotta be able to sustain that. And so as a head coach, for me, that was my biggest thing that I really look back on now. I'm like, damn, I wish I would have done a better job there. And, and, you know, you learn from it. You learn from those mistakes.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's all it is. You already know. You learn from. You're still one of the best coaches I've ever had in my career, man. And I'm so, so thankful that you've. That you've been there for me.

[Matt Nagy]

Well, I appreciate that, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

If that double doink doesn't happen, Matt, you might still be the head coach in Chicago. Like, it went from that double doink to we lost in New Orleans. Barely lost. We should have. Could potentially won that at the end with the drop. But it was la and LA wasn't like, I don't know, you guys are rolling towards the end of the year there. The defense was good.

[Travis Kelsey]

Rolling, baby.

[Matt Nagy]

We were rolling. You're right. And I mean, you look at it and, and, and then in 2019, you know, we went 500 and. And then in 2020, same thing. We made the playoffs and played, you know, lost to the Saints in the playoffs, but. And then in 2021, you know, we just. We fell off. So again, you know, the competitor. To me, you want to be better, but I got to use that to learn it to be better. And everything happens for a reason, man. And get to be back here with. With Trav and coaching these guys and win some Super Bowls, and I'm going to learn from it. But I appreciate you all.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, we're still having fun, baby.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I do want to ask you one question from that game. Game. Was it your idea or. Or Vic's? You guys kept holding the sub guy, and it messed up all of our game plan specific runs. Like, we kept calling all these plays in a six, like, goal line deep. I'm like, bro, we can't run this play to a 6:1. Like, what are we doing? Like, I was getting so pissed off because the play kept coming in and then you'd see the big defensive line around outfields. Like, we can't run this. We got 11 personnel out here. Yeah, it was messing up.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, it was.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was. Honestly, it was great coaching. It was great coaching.

[Matt Nagy]

That was. That was all Vic and his defensive staff. Those guys did a hell of a job. I was so lucky, you know, to be able to spend a year with him. And, man, when he decided to take that job in Denver as the head coach, I'll never forget being there with Ryan Pace and Joey Lane, sitting at a restaurant with Vic, and he was so torn because he loved his players so much, and we loved him so much, and we knew what we had. And, you know, hey, it was his opportunity to go be a head coach, but, man, obviously, he's a wizard. He's a hell of a coach. He's a great person, and I have a ton of respect for him.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hell, yeah. I was going to say Dayton, you were talking about that 2018 and coming in. And I. I just remember. I remember in 13 when you guys came in, you know, we were such a veteran team. We had. You know, the team may have just went 2 and 14, but we had Pro Bowlers, we had superstars. We had guys like that were. That were at the top of their game, like Eric Barry, Justin Hughes. And when Alex came in, you know, Jamal Charles, you know, we had. We had studs on both sides of the ball and the tomb, Ali and Derek, John. I mean, I could keep going.

[Matt Nagy]

We had.

[Travis Kelsey]

We had guys right Goes on and on.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, dude, the defense when you first got there was insane stacked.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, you already know probably one.

[Jason Kelsey]

Of the most stacked defenses I've ever seen.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, I agree.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was ridiculous, man. Brandon Flowers, we had a whole bunch of studs and it was crazy to me that one, this team went 2 and 14 the year before. But two, when Coach Reed came in, I can tell the difference to this day of Coach Reed's demeanor in having to come in and break that culture. Yeah, it wasn't necessary. And don't get me wrong, I have no idea what the situation was with the coaches before that or anything, but I heard guys complaining non stop about how much and how hard we were practicing. And nowadays you don't hear anybody complaining, complaining. You guys, you just hear guys accepting.

[Jason Kelsey]

That this is out of here. You guys don't complain about practicing hard.

[Travis Kelsey]

I never, you'll never believe. You hear that out of me.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't believe it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'll be the first one to put the pads on.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right.

[Matt Nagy]

All right. Yeah, I, I would confirm that, man. You got you. And I just say this real quick. The, the reason and a huge reason that you guys bought in early on and you guys have taken the torch and you've just, you've done this with it and everybody sees it now. You can't. Not because of you guys wanting to do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's not a complaint. There are times it's like, man, do this again. Like there's that, but it's the acceptance of, this is the system. This is how you become great and it works.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right. You're not questioning whether it's the right thing to do or not.

[Travis Kelsey]

Completely different situation back in 13 on. On the veterans that we had in there and how they were used to do working and doing things and how Coach Reed came in and gave them a new perspective on it. And I really think, think that would, that's that turnaround with that talent. You saw it immediately. We won the first 10 games.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right off the bat. Because of how much those veteran guys knew the game of football. It played well together. When they, when they had that work ethic and, and how. Just I don't know, everything came together. But I'll tell you what, man, I, I can only imagine how tough it is to go in there and demand that, that discipline and that trust in trying to break a system that hadn't been working.

[Matt Nagy]

No doubt. And I'll, I'll never forget the, the first meeting that Coach Reed had talking about and, and just painting the Picture again. Coach Reed. For the very first team meeting in 2013, we had our first team meeting. The entire team was in the team room, and those doors opened, and he came walking in, and it was quiet. And I remember I was sitting in the corner and I looked over, and in the front row was all those dudes you just talked about. Tom Bali, Justin Houston, Eric Barry, Donteri Poe, you know, Dwayne Bowl. It goes on and on and on.

[Jason Kelsey]

On.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

They were literally sitting up in their seat with their hands on their knees, and their eyes were huge, and they were just staring at this guy. And the. The second I saw that, I was like, they believe. This is what they needed. They believe. And then coach just took it from there. And you remember, we did all that no huddle, those first couple.

[Travis Kelsey]

Come on, now. Come on. That was crazy. And it wasn't just. It was the long drive drill. It's different when it's 18 plays of high huddle.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, for sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a completely different experience when it is a no huddle, long drive drill. That is where you're. You just want to just. You look at Alex is like, just check it down. Just throw it. Just throw it immediately to the check down so we can get to the next play. Get through this thing, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Please. Secretly, for the O line, I'm kind of all about it because the D line's only good for the first two plays. It's a big lead fest after that.

[Matt Nagy]

Hey. Hey, J. Hey. So coach comes in the first, and he doesn't even. And Trav doesn't even know this, but he has us working all off season to get ready for this OTAs that first year in 2013. And all of a sudden, before the first couple practices, he walks into the staff room with the coaches and he says, all right, fellas. And he puts the playbook down and he goes, here's what we're going to do. These first six practices. We're going no huddle, tempo. Every single play. We're like, what? We have the play scripted. And he's like, no, we're going no huddle. Every play is no huddle. And we didn't know it at the time. Time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Why?

[Matt Nagy]

That was his way of making them think, mentally try to break them down, condition them, but make them get tired and see how they respond to some. Some frustration. He was like a wizard, man. And I'll never forget going back to that. And then, like you said, we went 9, 0, 10, 0 and ended up making the playoffs.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's Amazing.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hell, yeah, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Speaking of first impressions, what was your first impressions of Travis Kelsey? We talked about me. I want to know what you thought of Travis when you first got to know him.

[Matt Nagy]

No, man, I'm telling you what. So he gets in in his first year, and, like, you just. You see this guy, and you can just. It's the same. Same way with Pat, like, you know, watching the tape, what he brings and what he did. And then, you know, he's got that quarterback background. But I always start with the person, like, I could. You could just tell the competitor that he was and just the. The. The. Like the fire that he had to be great from early on, from day one. And I'll never forget, like, just getting him in the OTAs, getting him in. In practices. And then when. When things really took off, then when you got in there and that.

[Jason Kelsey]

What.

[Matt Nagy]

Was it? The. The. Was it Cincinnati game?

[Travis Kelsey]

2Nd. 2nd preseason game. 2nd preseason game.

[Matt Nagy]

Second preseason game. Because you had your. Your injury there. The second preseason game, you ran an August special where you nodded. The guy caught it up to seam and went, like, 70 yards and out ran a corner and a safety linebacker. And we all looked at each other on the sideline, and we just said, did we just see that?

[Jason Kelsey]

That.

[Matt Nagy]

And of course, Trav goes and he just dives into the end zone and does, like, a somersault into the end. Just, like, sprawls. And we looked at each other like, this is going to be fun. And then every. Every game, like, you just keep seeing the growth of, like, you know, what he was able to do? Like, the one year we got New England into base defense a lot. So we would go 13 personnel and get them in base and put Kels out there and let him run bubbles and RPOs and like, okay, you want to go big, we're going to throw the ball. You want to go little, we'll run the ball and block. And so, like, playing that cap Mouse. Mouse game for all those years, but, like, just to see now, I mean, this man, he has routes that are named after him. I go and talk to these college coaches, and they're like, man, we're running the Kelsey route. They're like, what the hell is the Kelsey route?

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what I want to know.

[Matt Nagy]

He starts showing all these routes, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's. That's this route here. But, man, he just put. And we talk about, like, seven different routes we have in the playbook, and Kels puts his own spin on it, and. And it's just like, it's, it's rare. There's no one like, no one else like it. And him and Pat, what they've done is just. And then you put the fire, the competitiveness, the loyalty, the trust, the love, the passion, like everything about that, you know, Jason, I mean, you guys are blood, man. You know what I mean? So it's like, it's just, it's, it's makes you such a good coach.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it. I love it, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'll tell you what, I'll ask you about Jason, but you already told us. Your first impression of him was him being a psychopath. You knew exactly what you had in your backpack pocket psycho.

[Matt Nagy]

But, you know, it was always with, with Jace. It was, you know, here, here's a guy that comes in, six round draft pick that comes in, but you could tell right away he had so much damn trust in his ability and who he was. And he was going to outwork everybody. He was going to be so coachable and he was just going to fight you to the end, man. He was just, he was going to fight you, literally. And that's what you both have. Like, you both have that. And it's like, like there, there's, that's a DNA thing. Not all kids have that. You guys have it. And to do what you've done, like for your parents, raising you the way they have, like the bond and the kinship that you all have. But watching you, I was, you know, I'm like Coach Reed on a lower level. I got to see both you come in as rookies. I got to be with you guys, you know, throughout this journey. And I'm so lucky because, like, that, like, you guys took it to the, to the max. You, you and, and not only that, but like, like, I, I'm real big on just being yourself in this journey. And you guys are yourselves like, you're, you show your, your emotions. You love each other, man. You just, you're there for each other. I'll never forget after that super bowl when we won against you guys the first time. Like, I'll never forget that hug and that embrace and that look that you both had for each other. And like, it's powerful and like, you just, here it is to this day, what y' all are doing. It's just, I, I, I'm lucky to be able to know y'. All. And I just, just, I love you guys, man. You guys are special. So it's not too cocky on here, man, but I just got so much respect and a Lot of love for y'. All.

[Travis Kelsey]

Come on, baby. You already know we're emotional sons of blood.

[Jason Kelsey]

No doubt.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's jump into it. This is one of our last segments, but one of our favorite segments. We gotta ask, but you don't have to answer nags. You can tell us the off. You can just tell us to kick rocks. If you don't want to answer these.

[Matt Nagy]

All right, all right, all right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Who is the toughest defensive player to game plan for in your career, in your coaching career? Who did. Who have you, like, watched on film is just like, man, I don't know how we're gonna deal with this guy.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah. In all the career, huh? I'm gonna stay somewhat. Somewhat current and I'm just gonna give a ton of respect to Max Crosby, man. I just. I mean, he's. He. He's just. I mean, he's. And he's all over the place. I mean, Kelsey, you know, there's times where they put him out and butched you, like, out by the sideline.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, man.

[Matt Nagy]

And that's okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

And you want to talk about a guy that'll fight you to the fucking end.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

It doesn't matter what that score is. Max is coming off the ball and he's going to fucking punch you in the mouth, man. I love competing against that dude. But you're right, he is. He's unstoppable, man. He's one of the hardest to ever fucking game plan for.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah. And I, you know, I go back to the Philly days, you know, and there's some of those rushes that we used to see from some of that Giants defensive line and The Cowboys with DeMarcus Ware back in the day, I mean.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

Right. I mean, and. And so, And. And the guys on the inside, there's so many. But this, just because I'm so current right now and losing my train of thought, that's. That's probably Crosby's early on there.

[Travis Kelsey]

There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, all right. Do you still keep the bu on the play sheet?

[Matt Nagy]

No, I don't. I don't.

[Travis Kelsey]

And no.

[Matt Nagy]

No other reason, because I just, I. I did that in Chicago and. And I. I haven't done that here, but I. I do, do. I do use that every single day, man. I live by that thing.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. I hear it every day.

[Matt Nagy]

My oldest son, man, he told me that. And that's. That's something that at the time, a 15 year old told me, and I'll never, You know, I think that's powerful, man. Just be yourself. Don't try to be someone different.

[Jason Kelsey]

And that's something that, I mean, Andy has always appreciated. That's one of the things I've always loved about Andy. Everywhere he's been, he wants guys to be their personality show. Wants them to like genuinely be themselves. So I think I'm with you 100% on that. That, yeah, that's the beautiful thing of a team.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love how Coach Reed says this and then he has all these rules that you gotta like abide by, like tuck your shirt in and be.

[Jason Kelsey]

Show your personalities within the confines of the team.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, finally figured out why he does all these things. And Yeah, I mean he has like kind of that, that, that understanding of the military and how everybody has to, you know, present themselves the right way and, and have that discipline aspect of like being one unit. You know what I mean? There's like, there's reasonings too.

[Jason Kelsey]

It.

[Matt Nagy]

You guys know, he doesn't miss a thing either. Like he sees everything in training camp and practice, like everybody. He sees periph on everything, no matter who you are.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just when you don't think he's looking, man.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah. And my first year I was back doing the cards in the back end and I had a hat on and I had a, a pencil in my ear and I heard this whistle from. And I'm a first year coach and I hear this whistle and I'm like. And I don't react and I hear it again. I look and he's looking at me and he points to here and he goes like this. Get rid of the pencil. That was in 2010. Never again in my life was there ever a pencil on my hat. Never. There never will be.

[Jason Kelsey]

Wow.

[Travis Kelsey]

So good, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

You gave Bears new head coach Ben Johnson this advice. Win and beat the Packers. What's the best coaching advice you've ever received?

[Matt Nagy]

The best coaching advice I've ever received was. Was win and beat the Packer. It was, it was Coach Ditka. He told me, he told me that. And you know, unfortunately we were 1 and 7 against the packers and Aaron Rodgers and that's a tough draw. Yeah, that was tough. So that, that's. I, I wasn't able to do that. So that's why I gave Ben that advice.

[Jason Kelsey]

There you go.

[Travis Kelsey]

As an offensive coordinator, do you think the average person could get one yard in the NFL at like running the.

[Matt Nagy]

Football or like just.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I mean, just back there.

[Jason Kelsey]

However they gotta do it. However they gotta do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Zone. Get them a nice little screen out there.

[Matt Nagy]

If I'M gonna say no.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it. I love it.

[Travis Kelsey]

You would have to get awfully lucky, dude.

[Matt Nagy]

Hey, listen, I'm not. That's no criticism. If I was out there, I couldn't get a yard.

[Jason Kelsey]

I used to think that, you know, the offensive line could get the average person a yard. And Mitchell Schwartz actually gave the best rebuttal to this because I was like, tough. It's a line. Blocks it. Like anybody can just run behind them. But Mitchell Short said, you don't get it, man. They're going to be so slow to get to that hole. Like, they're going to be so out of phase with you. And I'm like, you know what?

[Travis Kelsey]

To get to it.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is a good point. I know. They're not going to know how to.

[Travis Kelsey]

Set up their blocks.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes. You're asking.

[Matt Nagy]

I mean, like, they either got to catch the toss or they got to figure out the open pocket for the handoff.

[Travis Kelsey]

What was your welcome to the NFL moment, coach?

[Matt Nagy]

For me, it was probably more my, my, my first year coaching in Philadelphia and I was in charge of the scripts.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Nagy]

Making sure the scripts and training camp are done the right way. And you guys remember Juan Castillo, obviously, and Juan Bek that went from the offensive side to the defensive coordinator and the guy knew how to get into the system and figure out what the plays were for training camp with the offensive play.

[Jason Kelsey]

This has been alleged for a long time.

[Matt Nagy]

I didn't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

Proven. Okay. All right.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah. So me and Eugene. Me and Eugene Chung were in charge of the scripts. And one day, yeah, man. Coach Marty Morningweg called us into the office as the OC at the time and he pulled shut the door and he said amen. And he just read us the riot act about not letting. And how the heck are you going to let Juan get into the system and see our plays? This is B.S. this doesn't happen. And I mean, I'm talking about. He chewed our asses out and we walked out of there. And I'm like, I have one job to make sure that the defense doesn't get the script. So now, like we have such a high tech system right now. Liking, like you're not finding what plays we're doing. Like spags isn't fine in training camp scripts anymore. Like, we've. We got our quality control guys ready. But that was my welcome into the NFL. I was like, man, I got to get this right.

[Travis Kelsey]

So good.

[Jason Kelsey]

I will say this is always alleged, though. Like every time the defense is kicking our tails. Oh, you just know you're gonna be in split double A against this all exact play. Like it's like that's always funny.

[Matt Nagy]

Training camp, no doubt.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let me ask you this. It's not on here, but I'm just curious. So it feels like the NFL over the last couple years, it always goes in waves and, and the Chiefs were such a high powered offense for a long time. Really, NFL offenses were high powered. Feel like points were up recently. Defenses have kind of felt like they've been getting the upper hand. What is, what have you seen change, I guess that you think is leading to defenses having a little bit more success? What are they doing differently?

[Matt Nagy]

You know, drop bait became a phase for a little while. I think that's gone away a little bit. I think that from the offensive perspective for some teams, you know, the running back position slash plays aren't, you know, I don't know that 100%, but I feel like sometimes right now like those downfield chunk plays and we've, we've talked about it here internally, you know, like the last couple years of being able to try to get downfield, you see more shell, you see teams saying, listen man, we're going to bend but don't break and we're going to make teams be great in the red zone. And I think like when you look back at the coverage schemes from these defensive coordinators back in the day, 10 years ago, even just 15, 12, 10 years ago, go, yeah, it was, it was much more single high, it was more predictable to understand what they were in. And now you're seeing all these crazy different fronts and adjustments and blitz and back end stuff that you know, you want to be able to try to take shots downfield and sometimes they're not going to let you, but you know, it's real, it's there. And I think that right now teams are okay with like saying you're not going to go downfield and then we're going to make you be great in the red zone and self inflict with turnovers, penalties, etc. Etc. So it'll be, it is the league's cyclical. I mean it's always, it's always kind of changing and, and maybe the run game comes back for more and there's, there's bigger runs there and, and then it brings more guys in the box to take shots. But that's what I feel like.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice. All right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Makes sense, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Makes a lot of sense to me.

[Travis Kelsey]

92 percenters, one of my favorite coaches of all time.

[Matt Nagy]

Baby, I appreciate you, man. You got are the best.

[Jason Kelsey]

Coach, thanks so much for joining us.

[Matt Nagy]

Yeah, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Appreciate the time, dog. Appreciate the stories.

[Matt Nagy]

Appreciate y', all, man. I'm just lucky. Appreciate y'. All.

[Travis Kelsey]

We'll see you in a few weeks at at minicamp, coach. You got back after this thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Guys, thanks to Matt Nagy for joining us on the show. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the new Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever. Get your podcast. You listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus on the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.

[Travis Kelsey]

Once again, New Heights are Wonder show, produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible. Follow the show on all social media at new heights show with 1s for fun clips throughout the weeks. And thanks to our production and crew for always making us look great. And thank you to the 92 percenters. We'll see you guys next week. Follow New Heights on the Wonder app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to New Heights early and ad free. Plus enjoy exclusive episodes of the show by joining Wondry plus in the Wondry app, Apple podcasts or Spotify today.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Matt Nagy]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Matt Nagy]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Matt Nagy]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Matt Nagy]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Matt Nagy]

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[Matt Nagy]

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