Coaching Changes, Wildcard Recap & Jameis Winston on Giants Rookies, QB Celibacy & TD Catches | EP 175

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce — Episode 175 Detailed Summary

Coaching Changes, Wildcard Recap & Jameis Winston on Giants Rookies, QB Celibacy & TD Catches
January 14, 2026 | Wondery

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Episode Overview

In this lively playoff edition, Jason and Travis Kelce recap the NFL Super Wild Card Weekend, debate the season's biggest coaching and team changes, and dig deep into what happened with the Philadelphia Eagles. Special guest Jameis Winston brings insight and stories—on QB mindsets, celibacy, the challenges of new playbooks, tricks of leadership, the value of multi-sport athletes, and some hysterical anecdotes about Giants rookies. The brothers' signature banter, player perspectives, and raw honesty keep things entertaining throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Show & Merch Announcements (02:08–09:04)

• Official launch of the Kelsey Clubhouse: A one-stop destination for New Heights merch, collaborations, and products both related and personal favorites.
  • Jason: “We’re trying to bring this show to life... to have more fun with it and keep y’all engaged.” (03:25)
• Announcement of their first book: No Dumb Questions—a collection of the funniest and oddest fan and football queries, available for preorder.

2. Jason’s Quest to Dunk (09:04–13:27)

• Jason updates his "dunking by the end of January" goal—planning to attempt a live dunk at a 76ers game on January 29.
  • Travis: “Dude, you look explosive. It looks like you got the footwork down.” (10:04)
  • The brothers debate the usefulness of gear: “You lost about a foot of airtime with that weightlifting belt.” (10:26)
  • Jason on dunk-attempt stakes: “It’s either gonna be maximum celebration... or Philly will literally boo me off the court.” (13:16)

3. Super Wild Card Weekend Recap (13:33–28:45)

a. Tightest Wild Card Weekend Ever

• Four games decided by four points or less, 12 fourth-quarter lead changes—an all-time playoff record.
  • Travis: “Playoff football, baby. Are you fucking kidding me?” (13:49)
  • Jason: “Soldier Field getting a fucking dub, man. That place looked like it was absolutely rocking.” (14:48)

b. Bears-Packers & Caleb Williams’ Magic

• Caleb Williams’ clutch performance, especially his late heroics.
  • Travis: “Some quarterbacks just have that ability to flip the switch... Caleb Williams came up huge.” (15:36–16:02)
  • Jason: “At the end of games, when it has to happen, he makes some of the most insane throws.” (16:10)

c. Eagles’ Frustration & Coaching Change

• Eagles lose to 49ers, capping a frustrating, injury-plagued season. OC Kevin Petullo fired.
  • Jason: “The offense didn’t live up to what it should have... Petullo as OC bears responsibility, and so do the players.” (24:45)
• Debates around stale playcalling and need for offensive creativity vs. execution.
  • Travis: “You can’t just throw it on one guy.” (25:29)
  • Jameis Winston: Offers perspective later in episode on Eagles’ scheme, QBs, and coaching carousel. (80:24–86:31)

d. Other Recaps

• Rams edge Panthers in a wild affair—Stafford praised for late-game mastery, Bryce Young for resilience.
• Seahawks and league’s best defenses highlighted.
• Bills-Jags: Josh Allen gets credit for composure in big moments.
• Chargers’ playoff slump and Patriots’ defensive grit.

4. Coaching Changes & Coaches As Trade Assets (34:49–36:13)

• Steelers’ Mike Tomlin stepping away; debate over trading coaches (reference to Jon Gruden’s trade).
  • Jason: “Can you believe coaches get traded, like—forgot that was even a thing.” (35:02)

5. Divisional Round Preview (36:13–37:47)

• Most-anticipated games: Texans vs. Patriots, Bills vs. Broncos.
• Jason: “I’m looking forward to May versus this Texans defense, to see how he responds.” (36:48)
• Travis: “Josh and Bo Nix kinda play the game similar. This is an opportunity for Bo to cement his name.” (37:13)

6. Stamps of the Week & Favorite Moments (37:52–41:35)

• Travis stamps their mom for her turn on “Traitors”: “It was just so cool to see her living out her dream, giving the world a beautiful message.” (38:13)
• Jason stamps youth hockey brawlers, reminiscing on hockey fights and “locker boxing” as essential growing-up rituals.

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Jameis Winston Guest Segment: Key Highlights

7. On Team Culture & Leadership (45:18–49:03; 66:01–67:56)

• Jameis: “Speaking life into my teammates... being impeccable with my word.” (66:01)
• On building a winning culture: “Being a better football player will never make you a better man, but being a better man will make you a better football player.” (67:19)

8. On Quarterbacking, Playcalling, and Youthful Teammates (46:40–55:14)

• Jameis praises Drake May’s consistency and resilience under adversity.
  • Jameis: “Drake May, man, he continues to impress me.” (48:19)
• Shares what it’s like adapting to countless offensive coordinators; the difference between great playcallers and systematic callers.
  • Jameis: “When a coach pulls something that was installed in OTAs... and it hits... you know he’s in his bag.” (49:15)
• On confidence as a signal-caller even with a "straight poo" play—“I gotta make it sound good to everybody else.” (52:00)

9. Locker Room Wisdom, Off-Field Struggles, and the 30-30 Season (57:16–62:01)

• Explains his famous “30 touchdowns, 30 interceptions” campaign—mix of aggressive scheme, personal challenges, and celibacy.
  • “I was doing this freaking celibacy thing, literally refraining from sex.” (58:51)
  • The season was tough emotionally: family losses, personal transitions, relentless effort.

10. On Giants Rookies, Especially Cam Skattebo (73:07–77:28)

• Skattebo’s unique background and old-school toughness.
  • Jameis: “He is from a football kingdom somewhere else, and somebody just dropped his crazy ass on earth.” (74:19)
  • “When we played against Kansas City and him and Nick Bolton met in that hole... I said, okay, this white boy right here is something serious.” (75:31)
• Emphasizes how Cam helps protect rookie QB Jackson Dart by shouldering more carries and punishment.

11. On Balancing QB Aggressiveness, Youth, and Risks (64:10–65:18)

• Jameis: “I’d rather a young quarterback be about it than be scared.” (65:18)
• Stories of O-line and D-line banter, and how trash talk can backfire.

12. On Eagles’ Offensive Frustrations, Jalen Hurts & OC Turnover (80:12–86:31)

• Jameis diagnoses Eagles’ woes: loss of run-game identity, Jalen Hurts’ reduced rushing threat, lack of playcalling continuity.
  • “It’s not even just the play-caller... it’s the verbiage too. That gets homogenized in your brain.” (87:01)

13. On Head Coaches & the Right Leadership Formula (88:00–95:23)

• Jameis asks Jason what makes for a successful head coach and organizational reset (for the Giants’ situation). Jason explains the importance of loyalty, keeping staff continuity, and motivational skills.

14. Jameis’ Personal NFL Moments (107:46–109:53)

• Jameis: “My very first pass in the NFL was a touchdown... to the other team.” (107:59)
  • Both Travis and Jameis bonding over their first NFL passes being interceptions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jason on Eagles coaching problems:
  “The bottom line is this offense didn’t live up to what it should have. Right. And Petullo as OC bears responsibility, and so do the players. That’s my thing. I don’t think the players played as good as they could have.” (24:45)
• Jameis Winston on culture-building:
  "Being a better football player will never make you a better man, but being a better man will make you a better football player." (67:19)
• Jameis on Cam Skattebo:
  "He is from a football kingdom somewhere else and somebody just dropped his crazy ass on earth... and said, 'Go run that pill.'" (74:19)
• Travis on playoff chaos:
  "Playoff football, baby. Are you fucking kidding me?” (13:49)
• On Jameis catching a touchdown:
  "When I toss him this pill, I'm just like, man, I know I'm about to Score a touchdown. I've been waiting on this moment my whole life." (77:56)
• Jameis on his 30/30 season:
  “It was a contract year for me, man. And that was one of the most up and down years off the field that I had in my life, too, man... I was doing this freaking celibacy thing, like, literally refraining from sex, man.” (58:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Kelsey Clubhouse Launch & Merch: 02:08–09:04
• Jason’s Dunk Challenge: 09:04–13:27
• Wild Card Weekend Recap (all games): 13:33–28:45
• Coaching Trades & Tomlin News: 34:49–36:13
• Divisional Round Preview: 36:13–37:47
• Stamps of the Week (Mom, Hockey Fight): 37:52–41:35
• Jameis Winston Interview Main Start: 45:18
  • QB Mindsets & Playcallers: 48:28–55:14
  • On Young Giants QBs & Cam Skattebo: 62:23–77:26
  • Eagles Offensive Diagnosis: 80:12–86:31
  • Head Coaches & Locker Room Culture: 88:00–95:23
  • Playoff Picks & Philosophies: 95:39–97:51
  • Favorite NFL Moments: 107:46–109:53

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Tone & Style

• Playful sibling rivalry and deep football knowledge (typical Jason & Travis).
• Jameis brings earnestness, humor, and wisdom—mixing hilarious stories with motivational philosophy.
• Real talk about player performance, front office decisions, and the constant churn of NFL rosters/coaches.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode blends playoff intensity, locker room insight, and comedic stories, all tied together by brotherly chemistry and one of the NFL’s most charismatic guests. You’ll get:

• Honest Eagles postmortem (from inside).
• Wild Card weekend drama and breakdowns.
• Jameis’ unique look at modern quarterbacking and team leadership.
• Explanations of why QB and coaching continuity matter.
• How rookie energy and veteran wisdom fuel NFL teams—especially the 2026 Giants.

If you care about what happens behind the NFL headlines (and want to laugh along the way), this episode is essential.

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Transcript

[Jameis Winston]

The question of the week is. And y' all gotta answer this.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, I love this. Come on.

[Jameis Winston]

What is your favorite Jameis Winston quote.

[Jason Kelce]

Favorite Jameis Winston quote.

[Travis Kelce]

How lucky are we to be here in Cleveland, Ohio, on this beautiful day?

[Jameis Winston]

Come on, y'.

[Jason Kelce]

All. Are you kidding me, man?

[Jameis Winston]

So happy and grateful to play in some snow, bro.

[Travis Kelce]

It just. It makes me crack up every single time. That's the best.

[Jameis Winston]

Yes, man. I was happy I was able to represent for y' all city.

[Jason Kelce]

Let's go. Time out. What's Jameis Winston's favorite Jameis Winston quote?

[Jameis Winston]

Let me ask me.

[Travis Kelce]

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome back to New Heights, the Wonder show, brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. Doggone, I love me some Reese's and I love me some Oreos. So put the two together and you got one of my favorite combinations and one of your guys favorite combinations of the Kelce brothers. How about that? We're your hosts. I'm Travis Guzzin. My big brother, Jason Kelce. And thank you to the 92 percenters for tuning in each and every single week. If you're not a 92 percenter, you want to be, subscribe on YouTube, Wonder plus, or wherever you get your podcast and follow show on all social media at new heightshow with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. And we're going to have some fun ones for you today, baby. Jason, let the people know what we got coming up.

[Jason Kelce]

Ooh, 92 percenters. We got an amazing playoff episode.

[Jameis Winston]

Playoffs.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm a little less exc. Obviously, the Philadelphia Eagles did not come out with the victory. We are going to touch on that. We're also going to recap an electric super wild card weekend outside of the Birds game. Break down a youth hockey fight, because who doesn't love doing that? Look ahead to the divisional round of the playoffs. And we're eating W's because James Winston is here. Can you do that? I can't cross the two fingers.

[Travis Kelce]

I can't do this one. I jammed my shit early on.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, either way, we got James coming. One of the most electric guys. Let's get into the episode right now with a little bit of that new news. New news is brought to you by Hill's Pet Nutrition. That's right.

[Jameis Winston]

Got it.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, Nitros, we've got some massive new news. All right. Massive new news. We're launching the new official destination for New Heights merch, including brand new exclusive collabs with some outstanding brands. I'm wearing this hoodie. I do Got to say, I really enjoy. I'm big on texture, you know what I mean? I. I don't like when things feel synthetic. These feel real nice. I like the collar of this shirt.

[Travis Kelce]

I love this.

[Jason Kelce]

This little baby shirt is. It's heavy. It's got some girth to it. Just like Vinceland baby would have if he was a real person.

[Travis Kelce]

Where is Vincent baby at?

[Jason Kelce]

It's in my garage.

[Travis Kelce]

We gotta get some more good use.

[Jason Kelce]

Out of it, dude. I really do want to do some baby games. Giving out gold cups. I think this off season, we gotta have some fun with all this stuff. Come on.

[Travis Kelce]

This is also a place where you can find and shop all of our favorite stuff. We call it the Kelsey Clubhouse. That's right. Kelsey Clubhouse is the official home for the 92 percenters. Everything, new heights, everything Kelsey, all in one epic destination. And let's get this right here. Got the beautiful new heights green. What a. What a fucking dope layout.

[Jason Kelce]

It's the best. I mean, listen, there's a lot of cool merch on there. There's a bunch of products, like Travis said, some of our favorite products that maybe not even associated with the show, just things that we like. You're going to see these brands on this page. But one of the things I'm really excited about this Clubhouse for is we've thought about trying to bring this show to life. Like, we do this show every week. We love that everybody tunes into this. How the fan base that we built with you guys, the 92 percenters, and what are ways that we can continue to build this thing in a way that you guys have fun with it and feel engaged, Whether that's creating T shirts or things that 92 percenters yourselves come up with, supporting things that this show and our fan bases encourage. And, like, we're just trying to figure out a way to. To have more fun with it. And I think you guys will really enjoy it. It's. This is the first official launch. I got the vintage pickup truck hoodie.

[Travis Kelce]

I love that one, man. You already know the back. The back of his shows. The pickup truck and the license plate is doped up. No, it's dope, man. It's dope.

[Jason Kelce]

This is what the back of it looks like. There we go. Boom.

[Travis Kelce]

Nice.

[Jameis Winston]

We got the. All right.

[Travis Kelce]

Nah, nah. New heights you already know. And we just. We wanted to do something fun for you guys and make it easy to. To, you know, go one destination for anything new heights related. So go over there and check out the clubhouse that is Kelsey Clubhouse.

[Jason Kelce]

Baby, yeah, Check it out. We got some. Are there any boyfriend whistles for sale yet?

[Travis Kelce]

Do we have any whistles yet?

[Jason Kelce]

What about one whole straws or two whole straws?

[Travis Kelce]

It's. We're brewing this thing up. All right, all right.

[Jason Kelce]

Now let's talk pro standard. One of our first big brand collabs of the Kelsey Clubhouse is pro standard. Jake, you got some of the merch. Why don't you come on in here, buddy? Model it off. Jets. Jake's first modeling gig. Look at this.

[Jameis Winston]

We got. This hoodie is nice.

[Jason Kelce]

This, we got a nice wash gray look.

[Jameis Winston]

We got the T shirt here, too. Jason, you were saying you like the textures? We got like a raised logo here.

[Travis Kelce]

Little bubbly little bubble letter.

[Jason Kelce]

I was wearing this earlier.

[Jameis Winston]

It's so comfy. It's unbelievable.

[Travis Kelce]

It's.

[Jason Kelce]

Love it. Great job.

[Jameis Winston]

This is maybe the highest quality thing we've ever put out in the store. This is. This collab is for the people. I love it.

[Jason Kelce]

They're nice. They're nice. Why don't you show off that little baby shirt a little bit, too?

[Jameis Winston]

We got the baby. I was wearing this.

[Jason Kelce]

No, no, no. Stand up, stand up. I want to see a spin. I want to see a spin. You want me to spin? Yeah. Jason, I don't.

[Travis Kelce]

I don't know what I'm wearing under this.

[Jason Kelce]

Are you just wearing underwear under this? Are you wearing a diaper under this?

[Travis Kelce]

Do you wear with the bait. The le baby.

[Jason Kelce]

Are you. Are you dressed like the lum baby?

[Jameis Winston]

I'm not appropriately dressed to be modeling full body. I'll put it down.

[Jason Kelce]

I think. I disagree. I think you look great. Oh, well, thank you. All right, well, we're also announcing our first book. That's right. Can you believe that we're publishing a book? We're authors. Who would have thought? We're authors. I don't even know if that's the correct way to say this.

[Travis Kelce]

We're publishers.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, we're publishers. Yeah. No dumb questions is now available for pre order on the Kelsey Clubhouse. We're compiling all the no dumb questions that you guys have helped us build throughout these wonderful three years of doing this show thus far so that you guys can enjoy these with friends, people around you. I don't know. You're taking a shit. Open the book. That's what I like reading. It's got all the best and funniest dumb questions we answered on the show. And it's a in book for your reading pleasure. Do you remember that book that we have? We used to take Shits. And growing up, there was like a book that had like random facts and I would just sit there and like, get stuck. This is before you had your phones, but you would just get sit there and you would get stuck on it.

[Travis Kelce]

I don't remember the random facts. It was always a Golf digest and a Tom Clancy book.

[Jason Kelce]

Or Popular Science. Popular Science was one that did.

[Travis Kelce]

Popular Science was a good one.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Was it Popular Science or Popular Mechanics Anyways. All right, well, we don't have those, but we do have no dumb questions. You can pre order it now and you'll be one of the first to get it when it drops later this year. Yeah, who doesn't love a no dumb question?

[Travis Kelce]

Not right now.

[Jason Kelce]

We have the book if you want to see it. Do you want to see it?

[Travis Kelce]

I mean, yeah, sure, we'll see it.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, let's see it.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, wow. This is a hardback cover. How about it, man?

[Jason Kelce]

So go check out kelsey [e-mail]. it's live right now. We're going to be highlighting some new great stuff every week. Listen, tell us. We want this to be an interactive thing. Like you tell us what you want. Like what are you guys interested in celebrating this show with? How can we provide for you? Yeah, we got a lot of fun collabs, new products planned, so let us know what you think.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, honestly, we're really proud of this and yeah, it's been something that we've been working on over the. Over the past year and yeah, I think, listen, we've.

[Jason Kelce]

We've been working on this for a while now. We've been trying to build one hub. We've heard you guys, you guys like representing the show. The 92 percenters are freaking fearless and relentless in their pursuit to express their 92 percenterness and this what the shop does. And it's also gonna again, we want this to be a communication thing. We want to build this thing together. We, we love having the no D questions, fan mail, like all the things.

[Travis Kelce]

The new collabs and we love hearing from you guys on what you guys think. We're pumped. Make sure you check out Kelsey clubhouse.com for new surprises every single. Welcome to the club, 92 percenters.

[Jason Kelce]

Hey, you.

[Travis Kelce]

Did you want to do a dunk update before we wrap new news?

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, I think it's funny. I'd like to hear. I'm genuinely curious if Travis thinks I can do it.

[Travis Kelce]

You look legit as I look legit.

[Jameis Winston]

Yes.

[Travis Kelce]

Look at that. You are up there. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to dunk other than you probably can't palm a basketball.

[Jason Kelce]

I definitely. Well, I can palm it, but I can't contain it through a violent movement like jumping and trying to dunk a basketball. So this is my question. I can get high enough now I feel like using my arms as momentum. What's the technique of running and jumping with a basketball that allows me to build this?

[Travis Kelce]

This is why. This is why you see a lot of kids, like, throw the alley oop and get it to right there. Right there by the rim, and then they just flush it right here. Looking at you palm this volleyball, it's great. You can't do a basketball like that.

[Jason Kelce]

I can. The problem is I lose it at the top.

[Travis Kelce]

It's that. It's that finger, isn't it?

[Jason Kelce]

That finger is not helping. It's not helping.

[Travis Kelce]

Isn't it?

[Jason Kelce]

My dead. My dead knuckle.

[Travis Kelce]

Damn it, man. Dude, you look explosive. It looks like you got the footwork down right. It's just. I don't think you could.

[Jason Kelce]

And then I saw.

[Travis Kelce]

I saw you do it at the end here, dude.

[Jason Kelce]

I got my. My weightlifting belt on. Did you see that?

[Travis Kelce]

Take that thing off.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm trying to apply more force with the belt.

[Travis Kelce]

So this is you.

[Jason Kelce]

You.

[Travis Kelce]

You lost about a foot of. Of airtime.

[Jason Kelce]

That was a bad rep. We didn't show the ones that look good on there. We're trying to build suspense here, but I'm very close.

[Travis Kelce]

You didn't even get to the rim, Jason.

[Jason Kelce]

Mike didn't want to show the good one. All right. I don't know what you want me to tell you. He showed the bad one. I'll take it. The weight belt. I'm not sure if it was beneficial or not. I got all sorts of gadgets I'm going to try and use to get my fat ass up there.

[Travis Kelce]

A weight belt is not it?

[Jason Kelce]

Well, it allows you to apply more force. You to apply more force.

[Travis Kelce]

Care what you have to be able to use those hips to sink.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know. I'm going to try a squat suit. I'm trying to squat suit this week. I'm going to get my fat ass up there.

[Travis Kelce]

You're not even going to touch the fucking rim, dude.

[Jason Kelce]

It's like a rubber band.

[Travis Kelce]

It's not a rubber band.

[Jason Kelce]

It's legitimate.

[Travis Kelce]

Literally restricting your hips.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, well, listen, I'm not trying to actual dribble and do functional.

[Jameis Winston]

Jump higher.

[Travis Kelce]

You need those things. You need those things. Fluid so you can fire right now. That's good for a standstill movement. That's not good.

[Jason Kelce]

What about knee sleeves? What? Knee sleeves?

[Travis Kelce]

No, you need. You don't need knee sleeves.

[Jason Kelce]

God damn, my knees hurt. They might be able to provide balance. What.

[Travis Kelce]

What about get those outer hips going? That's how you save the knees, man. Get the outer hip.

[Jason Kelce]

Should I take the tights off? Should I take the tights off?

[Travis Kelce]

No, the tights are fine. Tights aren't doing anything.

[Jason Kelce]

All right.

[Travis Kelce]

The first half of this video is very legit, though, so I'll give you your props. I think you might. You're way closer than I thought.

[Jason Kelce]

You thought?

[Travis Kelce]

Yes. You bringing in all these belts and braces.

[Jason Kelce]

How high do you think I jump on the vertex? Not just standing, just running and jumping.

[Travis Kelce]

Running and jumping on a vertex?

[Jason Kelce]

No, no, no. I'm just talking about how. What height do you think I'm reaching?

[Travis Kelce]

I'm looking at you getting, like, vertical. Not the vertical, a hand length. Over the. Over the back, over the rim. So it looks like you're probably jumping like a ten. Five, ten, six.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude, ten, eight. Two ten, Eight and a half. Really?

[Travis Kelce]

Two inches, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude, you know how important two inches is? Come on now.

[Travis Kelce]

Create life with two inches.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, if I had two more inches, I'd be. I'd basically be a porn star at that point. I mean.

[Travis Kelce]

All right, man. Well, so how long did it already start? Did the month start? Are we. The whole month of January.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, so January 29th, I'm dunking at a Sixers game. That's going to be the day that I'm going to try and do this.

[Travis Kelce]

Half, half or during one of the timeouts.

[Jason Kelce]

I honestly, I don't know. I just know it's.

[Travis Kelce]

Dude, that's how you sell some tickets right there.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, I just. I figured I'm going to try and do this for the first time and, you know, we're going all in. It's either going to be maximum celebration and energy at the first time I've.

[Travis Kelce]

Ever done this, or Philly will literally you off the car.

[Jason Kelce]

It's going to be public shame. Going to be public shame, which I'm all in. Either way, I'm going to feel something.

[Travis Kelce]

Ah, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Anyways, that wraps up new news. New news is brought to you by Hill's Pet Nutrition.

[Travis Kelce]

Get into some super wild card weekend that we just experienced, and, man, was it action packed. We had a bunch of great matchups, but let's start off with some bold topics that are brought to you Buy into a turbo tax. That's right.

[Jason Kelce]

There we go.

[Travis Kelce]

There are those taxes. We are in getting close to the tax season. So. Yeah. Don't forget that. You don't want nobody knocking at your door. Tell them that you owe him. So nice. Best wild card weekend since last wild card weekend is playoff football, baby. Are you fucking kidding me? We had four games decided by four points or less. That's right. It's. The NFL is, you know, tighter than it's ever been in terms of the wins, losses. Don't have to get into how many one scored games I lost this year. The 12 fourth quarter lead changes in the first four games set up an all time playoff record. How about that? 12 fourth quarter lead changes. That means teams are coming up big on offensive side of the ball and. And going back and forth, man. And it does create some fucking magic, man.

[Jason Kelce]

It's been wild. Yeah. The fourth quarters lead changes have made him extra exciting at the end of them. The Bears game alone, that's the one that stands out. I mean, it's insane.

[Travis Kelce]

Soldier Field getting a fucking dub, man. God damn it. Dude, that place looked like it was absolutely rocking.

[Jason Kelce]

Are there two teams that hate each other right now more than the Bears and Packers?

[Travis Kelce]

I don't. It doesn't seem like it, dude. You know. You know when they really hate each other is when the two coaches, it's. You can't hide it. It's palpable. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Like normally coaches. I'm so used to coaches. I kind of love it. I'm used to coaches like, oh, no. You know, we got a lot of. For these guys. We don't want any bulletin board material. These guys are talking before the game. They're. The handshakes of midfield is petty. I mean, this would look at the.

[Travis Kelce]

She. Love that. I hear you would love that.

[Jason Kelce]

It's so. I don't even know what to say about it. I just. It's crazy.

[Travis Kelce]

La Fleur's gotta be pissed.

[Jason Kelce]

The look on his face.

[Travis Kelce]

It's tough, dog. But the Bears have been doing what the Bears have been doing, man. They. Those fourth quarter surges and like we were kind of talking with Jamis later in this episode. Man, some. Some quarterbacks just have that ability to just flip that switch and they get into that mode of where, you know, I. I don't have to think about this. This is do or die. I have to throw this ball. I have to make this play. And Caleb Williams came up huge, gave us some highlights that we'll remember forever.

[Jason Kelce]

We should just. Rename them Mr. Caleb, Dr. Williams or something like Doc.

[Travis Kelce]

Mr. Williams, Dr. Caleb, Jekyll and Hyde.

[Jason Kelce]

What he was in the first half and what he is at certain times where it feels like he should be easier. And then all of a sudden, at the end of games when it has to happen, he makes some of the most insane throws I've ever seen in my life.

[Travis Kelce]

It's like he just. There's. And it's feels like it's been like this all year. He just. He feels it out. He feels it out. He feels it out. And then the fourth quarter comes, and he's just like, all right, I know what's going on now. And he's just like. He just shows up. And. I mean, it was that fourth down where he threw the, like, off the ground, through it, going left.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

Crazy. Yeah. It's either like, literally, the game is virtually over if you don't make that because you're all. You're. The packers are in scoring position again already, and it's like, man, just an absolute epic throw. And to be able to see this and be like, oh, yeah, he's open. I can put it somewhere he can catch it is crazy.

[Jason Kelce]

Like how.

[Travis Kelce]

And then what, is it a doozy for him to hold on to this fucking ball right here after he turns around? Yes, big time. He did. He got fucking schlopped.

[Jason Kelce]

The Eagles got schlopped. Niners 23, Eagles 19 Eagles. Season is over. Very frustrating game and season.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, you could tell everybody was frustrated in Philly, man. Everybody that's talking about it, everybody on that team, it just feels like that's. They just couldn't get it clicking, man. And I know they were winning ball games, but you already know, man, when. When it's not clicking. You gotta. You gotta find a way to. To. To get over that hump, man. It just felt like there was always something eerie about what was going on over there this year, man. And it definitely wasn't like that last year. Last year, it was fucking Saquon and. And. And the excitement. Everybody's celebrating in the end zones. We got fucking. And guys running downfield, like, running to celebrate with each other. It just felt like there was something off about that Eagles team this year. And unfortunately, it came down to the last play against the Niners, man, and shout out to Kyle Shanahan and those fucking 49ers, man. They are proven a year in, year out, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I mean, it's probably as. I mean, everybody's saying it now, so it's not like it's breaking. But the coaching job Kyle Shanahan's done this year, what they've overcome as a team, what they have on defense, like what Salah has built, they are just a resilient, resilient group and they have fought through all the adversity and they've overcome it. And they find themselves in the second round of the playoffs missing their best players on defense like two, not just like guys like this is the best linebacker and best defensive end in the league, like arguably. So it's, you know, offensively they don't have their star receiver. Ayuk is out. Kittle has been in and out. Just went down again. I love George Kittle. I'm wishing the best for him. That sucks. Football is better when George Kittle is freaking on the field. You know, they miss their quarter, they're starting quarterbacks out for eight games and they come in Mac Jones functions. It's just that organization is, is, is doing it right. They have been doing it right for a long time and it's been impressive to watch. As for the Eagles, very, very frustrating season. Very, very frustrating season. Defensively played great and they, I mean, I know this game, they want some plays back. But all in all, the defense played outstanding all year. They overcame so much. They got better. If you look at the difference of what that defense is paid, I think it's the lowest paid defense in the NFL. And their production, it is absolutely insane. And a lot of that's because a lot of those guys are young players that they have brought in. Vic Fangio, that entire staff over that defense has done a phenomenal job. Phenomenal job offensively has been the thing that everybody's been up in arms about. And I get it, I really do. The expectations should be much higher than what they put out this season. I know. I made some comments on Monday Night Football. I do love Kevin Batulo. I'm not trying to absolve Kevin Petullo of blame. Like obviously they let go of Kevin today as the offensive coordinator. Well, I guess Tuesday as you're seeing it yesterday, and of course, like the offense wasn't up to the task this year. It regressed. And the main reason to regress, and I've been saying this from the beginning, was the run game, the offensive lines, inability to stay healthy, all together to open up holes. Saquon Barkley was almost set the NFL record for rushing last year. All right, they were incredible in the run game and the passing game. They struggled last year. I mean there were, there was all sorts of things happening last season that we like to forget because we won the Super Bowl. But the passing game has been an issue for multiple seasons now. Now the running game isn't there. Why isn't it there? The offensive line is in and out. They're hurt. Guys are overcoming injuries. They're not playing the same way they've played in the past. You have a. A quarterback that's not running as much. Jalen hurts is the threat of him running the ball.

[Travis Kelce]

Can't.

[Jason Kelce]

Stress opens up so much for the running back when they have to truly respect it. And it also opens up things downfield and they never. I know everybody likes to talk about the predictability and to be honest, yes, I would love to see more creative things. I love watching the trick plays. I love. As much as I didn't love watching it in the game, you know, the trick play to McCaffrey was an awesome play.

[Travis Kelce]

Right.

[Jason Kelce]

I like watching the creativeness. I like watching. I would love to see more motions. I would love to see all that stuff. That being said, we had plays to make in that game. I come. I keep coming back to that. When it came. When it comes down to it, not Talking about the fourth down play, the 49ers had their opportunities to win the game and we had ours and we didn't capitalize on ours. We didn't capitalize on the catches and the throws and the penalties that took back big plays. It was similar to how the whole season has gone. So it's a frustrating way to end it. Not that surprising with how they just were never able to get a lot of it fixed.

[Travis Kelce]

That's. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

You know, I don't know where they're going to go offensively. I think sometimes it's when you have success as a group and you have success as an offense, you tend to rely that. Like A.J. brown on a slant route has been automatic for four years. It doesn't matter what you do like, it's like, how do you. You can't stop it. He's too big, he's too physical. This year, all that stuff just didn't work as well. It would probably behoove the Eagles to bring in somebody with a fresh perspective on where it's at currently. Because when you're in it, you're thinking about what you've done well in the past. You're thinking about how you've had success. It's like, man, I know this guy can do this. I know this can happen here. Yeah. When you bring in somebody else, it's like, man, this is where we're at now. And now we can bring in some fresh ideas. We can figure out a way to.

[Travis Kelce]

Maximize things while keeping that nucleus together.

[Jason Kelce]

Of course. Yeah. I mean, I don't think it needs to be anything actually that drastic. I think we probably want somebody who's been proven offensively as a successful coach and he could come in and look at things under a new lens with a lot of similar pieces.

[Travis Kelce]

Well, the big, you know, topic right now is that fourth down call. And we know that Devonte missed the, the past on that third and 11. They didn't get lined up fast enough or they were waiting to see what the defense might have shown to call a timeout and get the right play call going into that fourth down. And they end up going with what everybody's saying online. Four verticals, which is those of you that don't know football knowledge. It's a play that everybody has ran their entire lives. Like we ran that at heights and we ran it at just Cincinnati. We ran it. Yeah. Every offense, it's day one type stuff. And I think that's getting thrown at Patulo as, like, that's, like, that's not the play call that needs to be called right there. If it works. It is the play call to be had right there. And I think that it's, it's tough because, yeah, it's Cover 4. That's not the best look versus Cover 4. But every play that you call has an answer.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

And it's up to those players on the field to be able to make it shake no matter what. And, and I think, you know, it's easy to point fingers at the end of the game when you're on your last dollar, you're on your last play, you're on the, this is your last chance to, to make it right. Knowing you had a whole fourth quarter, you had a whole four quarters to try and get that win. And it's just, it's, it's a crazy, it's a crazy, you know, scenario to end the season on knowing how much fucking talent was over there.

[Jason Kelce]

That's the thing. It's the highest paid offense in the NFL and they are mediocre across the board. That's what I keep coming down to. The bottom line is this offense didn't live up to what it should have. Right. And Petullo is the offensive coordinator, bears responsibility and so do the players. That's my thing. I don't think the players played as good as they could have. And I, and I love all Those guys. And that's just the way it is sometimes. I had my seasons. I damn sure did. And, you know, how do they rebound from this? Where do they go from here? There'll be new faces in. There'll be faces that are familiar, that are out. You know, in the particular with Matulo, the fourth down call gets criticized because, I mean, the whole offense was criticized all year. Now, I. I don't think it's fair to ever just put it on one guy, especially when the passing game.

[Travis Kelce]

That's where I call bullshit. You can't just throw it on one guy.

[Jameis Winston]

Yeah, and.

[Jason Kelce]

And Jalen said it after the game, you know, I. I don't think right now is the time to put it on any one person. Now, listen, I. He is the offensive coordinator.

[Travis Kelce]

That is a responsibility. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, it's not only the call plays, also to have the players play well, like. And that's the mark of all the coaches. Right? That's Jeff. Jeff Stalin is the best offensive line coach in the NFL. That's his job, is to get the offensive line to play well. We didn't play as well as we have in the past. Now there's all sorts of excuses like, guys were hurt. Lane Johnson was out for half of the year. Dang near. Like, that makes it difficult again. I would like to see more creativity. I think the Eagles tried to. They tried to do more under center. So, like, if you're not going to do the gun runs with Jalen, you might as well get underneath because that's how. That's why the gun runs are successful. He keeps people honest. He's a threat to go run the ball. Okay, now we got to get under center now we got to develop play actions. It's hard to develop all that stuff in the middle of the season. And it just. It never got to what it needed to get to. And the offense as a whole, just. The players were hurt. Guys didn't play as well. Saquon didn't have the same year because in part, the offensive line wasn't as good as they were banged up. The run game is the main difference from this season and last season.

[Travis Kelce]

Still a fucking boatload of talent over there in Philly and. And we got a boatload of talent still left in the playoffs. Baby.

[Jameis Winston]

Yeah, baby.

[Travis Kelce]

Get to some of the other games in the wild card weekend. We already talked about that Bills Jags game, but that Rams Panthers game was just as exciting. A little bit more action on the offensive side. 34, 31. Rams friend of the show, Matthew Stafford Went to fucking work. It's so fun seeing that dude play the game, man. How he can manipulate the defense with his eyes and his shoulders and his. Just, like, how he casually goes through progressions as a quarterback in the. In the pocket. It's just fun as hell to watch that guy go to work, man. And especially later in the game when it all counts. Panthers almost pulled it off. And I think that was the bigger story, is that the Panthers actually gave the Rams a hell of a fucking fight.

[Jason Kelce]

That was definitely the story. I thought that the Rams would win this game pretty handily. The Panthers kind of snuck in there. Hats off to Bryce.

[Travis Kelce]

Put up fucking 31 points in a wild card game.

[Jason Kelce]

He made a lot of freaking big plays.

[Travis Kelce]

Hell, yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Bryce Young continues to just improve and improve and improve. A guy that I think everybody was questioning whether he was going to be a bust or out when he got benched. What, two games in the last season.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Has reemerged. And, man, the Rams defense aren't any slouches, man. They got some horses over there. Their front can get after it, so. Heck of a performance. I know it's not the outcome the Panthers wanted at this point in the nfc. I do think it's going to come down to the Rams. Seahawks. I think they're the most talented teams left. Seahawks, it'll come down to, like, if Sam Darnold can deliver, that defense is.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, my God, they fly around, dude. It is so fucking fun to watch them now. They've. They got to be ready, though, man. Cause, I mean, as much as we love to see how that team has played throughout the season and in big moments, to feel like they're ready for these big moments. Playoff football is playoff football, man. It is just a different beast. And you got to kind of have an understanding of what you're getting yourself into, so it's exciting to see. But Sam Darnold's a crafty vet at this point, knows how to win some ball games. And I'm excited to see. See next week's matchup, man.

[Jason Kelce]

I am, too, man. I think, yeah. Rams, bears, freaking 49ers. Seahawks, all. Both of those games are going to be awesome to watch. And we watched a great game against the Bills and Jags. Jags almost pulled it off.

[Travis Kelce]

They were like that. That Seattle Jew, they had the juice internally.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

They had the excitement. They had. They come up big and big times throughout the season, but playoff football, it just felt like the Bills had a little bit more. I don't know. Just had A little bit more the other day, man. And, you know, I think Josh being in these moments before.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I think that's a big part of it.

[Travis Kelce]

Huge part of it. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. And this is what everybody keeps saying. I mean, they. I. Josh gets a lot of the attention for the Bills because it's the quarterback and he's the guy that's the biggest name left in the playoffs. But I do. I know they beat the Jags and it's a great win for the Bills. I just. I worry that this defense at some point and that Josh. I mean, the. The weapons they have offensively, outside of the run game and Cook, it's not that significant. And, like, how much can Josh really get done now? They got it done this week against the Jags. I'm always rooting for Josh. I love that guy, but I don't know. We'll see. This will be a big one this week.

[Travis Kelce]

Threw for 308 and got that thing out to damn near everybody on the fucking offensive side of the ball. Nine different Bills caught a pass and. Including Brandon Cooks, who's only been on the roster since November, so he's seen the field. Well, man, but what are the.

[Jason Kelce]

Bill. What are they going to do against Houston?

[Travis Kelce]

Make plays. They make plays, dude.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know, man. I just feel like they're going to struggle to get people open.

[Travis Kelce]

Josh is a big dude and he's. He makes plays as a quarterback. It just, it, you know, whether it's just breaking an arm tackle, you know, getting out of these sacks, you know, that's huge. Getting out of the pocket, making the defense have to play that extra, you know, six seconds.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't really talking about this week. I was more just talking about, like.

[Travis Kelce]

If they beat the Broncos. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

If they play Houston, they're not going to do anything. Well, the Broncos are so weird, man. Sometimes teams will freaking sneak up on them.

[Travis Kelce]

Number one.

[Jameis Winston]

See, he's going to sneak up on them.

[Jason Kelce]

No, I'm saying sometimes teams sneak up on the Broncos.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, yeah, I hear you.

[Jason Kelce]

Their defense is really, really good. But every once in a while, it's like. I don't know. Houston's defense is, like, insane, like, across the board.

[Travis Kelce]

It's about as legit as. As it gets right now.

[Jason Kelce]

And the Broncos are really good as well.

[Travis Kelce]

That's why it's playoff football, baby. It's the best there is. The best there is. Patriots. Chargers. Not that exciting, but patriots came out 16 3. Everybody was looking for Herbert to take that that next step, man drops to zero three in the playoffs. Huge Herbert fan over here. And it's. He was trying to make plays with his feet, but it just, at the end of the day, just didn't go well for him. And there were a few, what was it, four thousands that they came up short on.

[Jason Kelce]

They've been so banged up up front, they've lost both of their, their star.

[Travis Kelce]

Tackles back there getting fucking rocked.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what you want the guy to do.

[Travis Kelce]

We've seen it before. But at the same time it's like, man, he's, he's a fearless competitor.

[Jason Kelce]

And my guy, Milton Williams is running around unblocked. I mean, it's. They've had to try and overcome that all year and it's a testament even be here with some of the pieces that they've been missing up front and how good that defense is as well. Jesse Miner deserves a lot of credit for what he's built over there as well. As someone who played both of these teams, what do you think of that matchup?

[Travis Kelce]

Broncos got to show up in the first half. Not that they didn't against us. I'm just saying, like they're, they're notorious right now for finding ways to win at the end of the game. They have to show up in the first half. It's just you can't win in the playoffs by not by like not putting together four quarters unless you're Caleb Woods. I stand corrected. I think the Bills being a veteran team kind of trumps some of that. You got to play all four quarters against the Bills, you know, you can't, you can't let Josh Allen get up there. He's a, he's a tempo controller, you know what I mean? And he'll for sure. And he'll, he'll absolutely wear you down as a quarterback, man, both in the pass game and run game. And he's starting to make like, over the past like three, four years, he's been making the right decision. You know what I mean? I think if the Broncos come out, you know, making plays, Bonix comes out throwing the ball downfield early, being confident in his read. This is going to be a hell of a fucking game.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

And, and that's what I'm hoping for. And if you're Denver, man, you got to wrap that dude up, man. You got to find a way to not let Josh Allen get break tackles and get outside the pocket and, and not only make plays with his feet, but make plays with his arm outside of the pocket because that's when you can really get torched.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, the other game that we had this past week and the is the Texan Steelers game, I was at that one score, 30 to 6 looks way more severe than what that game was for the vast majority of it, which was a defensive battle between both teams. The Texans are just so loaded across the board. Like Pittsburgh's front is incredible. The Texans, like every level of that defense has dogs all across it. It does Tomiko Ryan's and Matt Burke, the defensive coordinator, have him playing physical. If CJ Stroud can stay composed and poise, this team could be the best team in the afc. That's the reality of it. Like last night against Pittsburgh, it's kind.

[Travis Kelce]

Of all in his hands right now, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude, I don't want to put it on him. And I think CJ's a great player, but it's like, dude, this is a year where it's like, dude, just freaking. You got some, you got some guys over there.

[Travis Kelce]

You got some dogs.

[Jason Kelce]

Don't make mistakes.

[Travis Kelce]

Running back ran last night. Holy.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, Mark's.

[Travis Kelce]

He was getting down hill when you got that kind of physical game and you're getting pockets like he was getting, man. Yeah, it's, it's all on, it's all on the big guy, man. And obviously we're, we're huge fans of him. I've had my, had my opportunities to meet the guy. Great guy and great player. Even better guy on top of that. And he's just, it's all in his hands right now the way that defense is playing.

[Jason Kelce]

Listen, it's going to be Texans versus New England. We're going to see the young quarterback that everybody likes, including me, Drake May up in New England face the best defense in the NFL. Yeah, I can't wait to watch this game. I really can't. I, I, his points are going to be at a premium in this one. I don't know where it's going to go. And it'll be fun to see between C.J. and Drake may who can get it done. I don't know, man. This Texas defense, so that's what I'm the most excited to watch.

[Travis Kelce]

Even bigger news than, than the Texans beating the Steelers is Mike Tomlin stepping away. Okay, Tomlin stepping down means the Steelers will retain his trading rights. He was not fired.

[Jason Kelce]

That's interesting.

[Travis Kelce]

The most recent coach that was traded was Sean Payton.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, he was for a first and second round pick. I, I, this is all news to me. I Forgot coaches were even tradable.

[Jason Kelce]

Do you remember the. The one that happened in our childhood that I was like. That ended up being crazy?

[Travis Kelce]

Wait for it.

[Jason Kelce]

You got it. You got it.

[Travis Kelce]

Wait for it.

[Jason Kelce]

Another. Another guy that did TV for a long time.

[Travis Kelce]

Bill Cower.

[Jason Kelce]

No. John Gruden. John Gruden was famously traded from the Oakland Raiders to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

[Travis Kelce]

I did not know that. And then he went back to the Raiders.

[Jason Kelce]

He won a Super bowl. And then at some point went back, I think it was to the. I think the trade happened before the super bowl, which was from Oakland to Tampa Bay. Pretty sure. Are we doing this. Are we doing this podcast by ourselves?

[Travis Kelce]

Is anybody listening?

[Jameis Winston]

He was traded. Sorry, I was snacking. He's traded to the Bucks and then met the Raiders in the Super Bowl.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, it was the year after, but he went back to the Raiders after. I'm just making sure it was. He did Monday Night football for, like.

[Jameis Winston]

10 years and then went back to the Raiders.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. I mean, it'll be interesting to see what happens to Mike T. Hopefully he does great in tv, which I'm sure he will because he's unbelievable.

[Travis Kelce]

Charisma, baby.

[Jason Kelce]

No doubt.

[Travis Kelce]

Moving to the divisional round, which one you pump to see the most? Bills at Broncos on cbs, we got the Niners at the Seahawks up there in the land of the twelves on fox. And then Sunday, those are both two Saturday games. And then Sunday, we got Texans Patriots, Rams at Bears on Sunday Night Football.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I mean, the game I'm the most excited for is the game that I'm going to actually be at, which is going to be the Texans Patriots game. And I do think it'll be a game that'll be full of excitement. I do. I'm looking forward to May versus this Texans defense, to see how he responds and how he operates. He's been incredible. He's been poised. It's going to be hard to be poised against these guys.

[Travis Kelce]

Two defensive touchdowns against the Steelers, man.

[Jason Kelce]

The one that I'm not going to. That I am excited to watch is Chicago versus the Rams. I think it's going to be an exciting one. I also just like watching both those teams play. Like, I like Sean McFay, I like Ben Johnson. I like watching all the design. I like Puka Nakua. I like watching Caleb Williams. I mean, it's. It's. It's a lot of things that will lend itself to just being a fun game to watch. I'm sure.

[Travis Kelce]

I'm fucking pumped on this Bills Broncos game. I'm so pumped that it's the first one we get to fucking see. It's going to be on CBS on Saturday. Josh and Bo Nicks kind of play the game similar in my eyes, you know, obviously two completely different athletes. Bo is. He's every bit of exciting, especially in his early years, because he still hasn't reached that. That pinnacle yet. And he. And. And this is an opportunity where he can kind of start to cement his name among the. The. The best quarterbacks in the league, man. And I'm fucking. I'm excited to see that matchup.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

That wraps up both topics. Brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. Don't forget to do your taxes.

[Jason Kelce]

Let's wrap up this episode with some stamps of the week, which is brought.

[Travis Kelce]

To you by HBO Max. Don't miss the new Game of Thrones series, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms, premiering this Sunday at 10pm Eastern on HBO Max. And for my stamp of the week, I'm keeping it in the family. Mom. Dude, I'm going mom all day. Did you watch this?

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, yeah. She killed it. She was doing great. I mean, I know she got eliminated.

[Travis Kelce]

But I was so proud of her, man. She looked like she was having a blast, enjoying it all there. And for all of you that don't know, our mother just did traitors. And she was the first ever secret trader that the show has ever had. And, yeah, showed everybody what she. What she's got. And it was just so cool to see her in this moment and shout out to my guy, Ron Funches for. For, you know, sticking by her side and. And being kind to her. Kind of got through for a loop. It kind of. I'm sure it did. He probably felt a little. A certain way after he found out that she was the secret Trader, but she. She got eliminated, uh, in the early episodes, but, man, it was just so fun to see her out there living out her dream, given the world a beautiful message about, you know, being fortunate enough to. To do these things at her age and where she is in life. And it's just so cool to see her live in that moment, man.

[Jason Kelce]

I agree. No, she. I thought she did fantastic. Like, I know she was eliminated, but I think it's. It's really hard to go into those shows as, like, an outsider that you become, like, an easy target to try and maneuver in that show. So, yeah, I thought mom did a great job. I loved watching her in it. I thought she was way more deceitful and devious than I thought mom could ever be. Which was surprising.

[Travis Kelce]

That too. She was. She stood her ground at the round table. Oh, yeah. And it was just. It was just so cool to see and shout out to everybody on this. This trainers, I'm gonna stamp some.

[Jason Kelce]

Some kids. Because who doesn't love stamping kids that are getting into fisticuffs together? Let's take a look at this hockey fight that's been making the rounds. I don't know. You guys have seen it. 92 percenters. But who doesn't love a good hockey fight to begin with?

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, look at these kids getting. Getting after it. In the corner. You messing with my boy.

[Jason Kelce]

I love this. Come here.

[Jameis Winston]

Oh, they go down.

[Travis Kelce]

Where's the rest? Once they go to the ground, the rest got to get in there. Oh, no.

[Jason Kelce]

Where are the rest? Are there no refs on the ice? What happened?

[Travis Kelce]

It's just got to be cleared at this point, right?

[Jason Kelce]

Throwing haymakers. Haymakers.

[Travis Kelce]

Come here.

[Jason Kelce]

Is anybody using their stick? Good job, kids. Don't use the stick.

[Travis Kelce]

I love how the goalie came in out of nowhere with the right hooks. He seemed like he was about it the most. Man, this is so epic. Doesn't it just take you back?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Who doesn't love kids beating the shit out of each other? I mean, that's one of the favorite pastimes of playing a hockey player, dude.

[Travis Kelce]

The best at this age. Gloves and helmets. Those punches aren't doing it.

[Jason Kelce]

You're not even feeling it. So for those of you that don't know what locker boxing is, when we play, you would literally go in the locker room, you put your helmet on and your gloves, and you would just do this for fun.

[Travis Kelce]

Royal Rumble, let's go. We're already sweaty for practice. Let's fucking go.

[Jason Kelce]

Come out there with freaking a black eye and coach like, what the hell? Well, we just. Locker boxing, coach. Anytime a goalie's getting in, you're getting a stamp of the week. Goalie fights are the best.

[Travis Kelce]

Let's go, baby.

[Jason Kelce]

There is something electric about just getting into a fight. I love that hockey players just do this. Let's give the people a show.

[Travis Kelce]

Let's go. My guys need some juice. I need to. I need to throw some hands. And you're. And you're. And you're the only one. It is so epic, man. Fuck, I love hockey.

[Jason Kelce]

That does it. For Stamp of the week, brought to you by hbo. Max. Alrighty. Let's get to some Jameis Winston.

[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

They've got a brand new Game of Thrones series dropping called A Night of the Seven Kingdoms and it premieres this Sunday, January 18th.

[Jason Kelce]

This incredible new series follows the unlikely duo of Sir Dunk the Tall and his scrappy young squire egg as they head to prove the good dudes can still survive in pretty ra ruthless world.

[Travis Kelce]

I'll tell you what I mean. I was a. I was a Game of Thrones fan. I was a Game of Thrones fan. The Red Wedding. Insane.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I love Game of Thrones.

[Travis Kelce]

It's Epic. It's heartfelt, but it's really about two unlikely heroes on a journey far away from their throne.

[Jason Kelce]

This is the next must watch chapter in the Game of Thrones universe. A Night of the Seven Kingdoms premieres Sunday, January 18th on HBO Max. You're not going to want to miss it. I guarantee you. They've done it, right? I mean, it's hbo, Max. It's Game of Thrones. It's going to be epic. There's going to be people dying, people having sex, people cheating on each other, people backstabbing each other, conniving individuals, and Sir Dunk the Tall and Dragons. Our guest Today is a 6 foot 4 Heisman winning quarterback from Bessemer, Alabama. He was the first Pick in the 2015 NFL Draft from Florida State University. He's a Pro Bowler, BCS National Champion and the greatest dub eater. We are so happy and grateful that the Lord has blessed us to be podcasting with the one and only Mr. James Winston.

[Jameis Winston]

Yes. The greatest w eater in the world. No, man, I'm grateful to be here with y', all, man. No, just, just y' all aura, y' all essence. And the fact that y', all, y' all are changing cultures and generations as brothers, man, united through y'. All, Y' all work on the field, y' all work off the field, man. It's truly inspiring. So thank you. Thank you so much, bro.

[Travis Kelce]

You have inspired the entire NFL. You are notorious for your speeches, for your game. It's, it's so cool to just see your. Your career transpire to where you are today and just see you just like, full of life, you know what I mean? This NFL world could beat you up, man. And you just keep, you know, fueling everybody with the energy and, and I just love it, man. I appreciate just who you are as a man. So thank you. Thank you for jumping on here, dog. We about to have some fun, though, man. You told us earlier you're on the Normatex, dog. Is the body feeling good?

[Jameis Winston]

The body is feeling great, man. I just, you know, one of my OGs and corn bold and he always said it's better to stay in shape than get out of shape, than try to get back in it, man. So I'm always standing on top of my body. Ever since you shared that with me, you gotta say, you know, that y' all both in the trenches, you know what I'm saying? I get to sit back and throw the ball because of you, Jason. And I get to throw the ball to guys like you. So, so Y' all in the trending, so y' all obviously got to stay on top of y' all body, but it's the least you can do, man, that 1% every day is so important.

[Jason Kelce]

I gotta ask you, did you catch wild card weekend this past week?

[Jameis Winston]

Man, you know, I did.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, A lot of young quarterbacks, yada, lot of young quarterbacks. Who impresses you or who impressed you the most this first weekend?

[Jameis Winston]

Man, I gotta go with, with Drake, you know, it's because like, okay, Josh, Matt, they did it in the time when they're supposed to do it. Like they know when the ball is in their hand at the end of the game. You guys are franchise quarterbacks. You have to come through. But I just think the consistency that Drake May has played with this entire year has been impressive, right? Like, especially like his. His offensive coordinator just got fired last year. You know, his head coach, you know, was, was. They parted ways a year before and he's coming onto this tour. Mike Vrabel, I got a chance to spend some time with him in Cleveland.

[Travis Kelce]

You know, didn't know he was from Cleveland Northeast.

[Jameis Winston]

How, baby, for him to go there, right, with a young quarterback after the year that Drake had the year prior and to have them in the position that they in now, bro, it's like with all the cloud, the great clouds that's been around that team this year and the quarterback still shows up and shows out, man, and gives that team a chance to win against a tough defense. Now, like the LA Chargers is a tough defense, right? And like, you know, you see a lot of young quarterbacks winning like those, those big games where they throw for four touchdowns and, you know, but very, very few, very rarely are you seeing quarterbacks of this generation winning the games where things ain't going right early.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

You know what I'm saying? They're playing. He's playing four quarters of football, you know, and that's what it's really about. You know, it ain't just the splash plays here, splash page there. But Drake May, man, he continues to impress me.

[Jason Kelce]

I love it. I love it. You brought something up there I want to just touch on you brought up, you know, he's got a new offensive coordinator. How many offensive coordinators have you played for, Jame?

[Travis Kelce]

One, Two?

[Jameis Winston]

Four? Four to five, man. Four to five. Maybe six or seven. Six, Seven. You know, I need to stop doing that a lot, bro. A lot.

[Jason Kelce]

So you've been in a bunch of different systems. Can you tell when an offensive coordinator is just dealing in a Play call. I know what it feels like in the run game where it's like, man, it just feels like it's all clicking. What's that like as a quarterback? Like, can you tell during the week? It's like, oh, we got some. We got some things designed for these guys coming up. Or is it like an in the game moment where you're just like, oh, no, he's rattled them off.

[Jameis Winston]

I think this is the sense, like. And I know you guys know this because y' all officer guys, like, when we go out there and execute the first 15, like, okay, we know we got them. Like, we're supposed to execute that.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

What. What. What shows me if we're really dialing it up is when the coach pulls something that was installed in OTAs and I'm in a holder, I'm just like, hey, hey, give me. All right, you know, 37 boot, whatever. And it hits. And we're like, oh, yeah, he in his bag. I know that one on the install.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes.

[Jameis Winston]

And it's a feel, right? Like, you know, when a guy has a feel or if a guy is just like, I'm just calling what's on his play sheet, right. I'm not looking at what the defense is actually doing. I'm calling what's on the play ship. And I think one of the best play callers that I experienced was Sean Payton. And he had this feel because he played one. He played the position. He played the position. I played with two guys that played three. Cause Sean, Ken Dorsey and Byron Leftwich. He did his thing in Tampa, and we had some historical. He had a very historical year. But back to Sean and Byron, they had the ability to sense what was going on actually was happening in the game. Not what we scouted out during the week, you know, not their tendencies. But they saw what the defense was doing. They were able to say, okay, I know what they're doing. We're doing this. And it hits.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

You know, and that's a beautiful feeling as an offense.

[Travis Kelce]

Hell, yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

I could not agree more. I love you saying, you know, ripping a play that isn't on the game plan. You haven't practiced all week, but you. It's. It's one of those ones that you've. You. You repped it in OTAs. You. You should know how to do this against every defense. So it's like, why not? Like, if you think it's there, don't waste any time. Who the hell cares? Was on our second and 10 play calls, like, just freaking rip that One out.

[Jameis Winston]

One thing I always like when I talk to, like, office coordinators, like, why do you see the McVays and people like that, that literally run the Andy Reid that run the same play over and over again if the defense can't stop it?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

And then you have guys where it's like, hey, well, we already showed that. So did it work? Did that play just work? Yeah. So we're saying in this one game, this is the only time we get to run this play against this team because we know we ain't gonna carry it over the next week. Because you're saying we already ran it once.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

Like, why not run the play that's been working for us?

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, I hear you.

[Jameis Winston]

You know, and I think as an offensive coordinator, you know, I got a lot of respect for them. For them to have that much confidence in their bag that they don't want to run the play?

[Travis Kelce]

That just ask you on the flip side, though, have you ever. You ever been in the huddle and you just hear a play call and you just know, like, man, I don't know about this one, man. It's a pretty big down right here in the game. I don't know. I can't hear you. I can't hear you. All right, boys.

[Jameis Winston]

Those moments have came up, but, like, I'm a persuasive person. You know, you got those people that they write the narratives, you know, they write the persuasive essays, they write the derogatory essay. I'm a persuasive essay writer, okay? So when a play is getting called into me, even if it sounds like straight poo, I gotta make it sound good to everybody else, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm one of those guys. Like, I'm a believer in, like, I'm obsessed with it. Like, okay, we put in the work. Like, if the play is poo, I get it. I come to the sidelines, be like, hey, please don't call that again. But if you call it, like, I'm gonna find a way to execute this play.

[Travis Kelce]

You got to. Yeah. We don't got no other way. Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

It's been numerous eclipse that I've seen you, Jason have to change your protection. Like, oh, no way. There ain't no way we sliding away from this guy right here. And it's been thousands of clips while I see you, Travis know your butt supposed to have a simple sale route. And what you do you feel zoning.

[Travis Kelce]

You just, You know.

[Jameis Winston]

But that's what it is. It's not just Capability. It's the capacity to know, like, this is the right thing to do. Like, I know what I'm gonna get here, so I'm capable, and I got the capacity enough of the work that I put in that I'm gonna make the right decision. I'm gonna help this coach be a better coach.

[Travis Kelce]

There you go. I'm just doing whatever you want me to do, Jameis. That's all I'm doing. I'm present there. I'm staying there with you. I know you want me to hook.

[Jameis Winston]

It up right there.

[Travis Kelce]

I know you want me to.

[Jameis Winston]

I love that. That's why. That's why you win. That's why you win a lot.

[Travis Kelce]

Speaking of your old coach, Sean Payton, him and Bo Nicks are rolling right now, man. They're rolling right now. They got the Bills coming in hot now. Now, watching Sean Payton's offense this year, like, I don't know if you've seen a lot of it on. On film and just been peeking at what they got going over there in Denver, but can you see similarities and stuff he's transferred over, or is this, like, a whole new world? Because B. Knicks is. He's just a different type of quarterback.

[Jameis Winston]

Well, Bo is from Alabama, so I got a lot of respect for him, and he can do it all right? But Sean has really been in his bag this year, man. Like, the amount of plays that he's been able to move the pocket for Bo, the amount of yards that they've been able to create on the perimeter by just getting the ball out of Bo's hand and letting the receivers get yacked after that. Sean is a situational guru, and I have to commend Bo on this. Bo probably hasn't had the most efficient first, second, and third quarter this year. He was way more efficient last year as a rook. But in the fourth quarter, he and Sean Payton have been finding ways to win the freaking game. And I think that is what. And that's what I'm talking about. These young quarterbacks with Bo and Drake may, like, yeah, okay, you can win the game. Well, you could tell, like, people put quarterbacks, game managers, right? Like, but at the end of the day, when it's third and seven and you know the defense is going to be in, man. Right. You still have to make the throw. Like, it's not going to be, oh, you managed the game, like, just check the ball here. No, you still have to make the play. And Bo Knicks have been making the plays for the Denver Broncos to win games.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, yeah, you're speak, bro, you're speaking.

[Travis Kelce]

Truth to me right now. Has gone on rants about this already.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, not even just like Bo Nix and Drake, but Caleb last week, right, against the Packers. Why does a quarterback all of a sudden become more accurate on harder throw? I want to ask you this. Why is the quarterback all of a sudden more accurate on harder throws? Is there like a sense of like.

[Travis Kelce]

I know I got bigger moments and.

[Jason Kelce]

You like lock in more or is it just like, that's the way this guy's wired.

[Jameis Winston]

It's the rouse on air effect.

[Travis Kelce]

Right.

[Jameis Winston]

Like some quarterbacks, I would say this Sam Bradford was the most accurate quarterback I ever seen in my life.

[Jason Kelce]

Okay. All right, there we go.

[Jameis Winston]

Seven on seven. There were. There was not. You were there with him.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

There was not a ball that touched the ground.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes, yes, Right.

[Jameis Winston]

But once you get into a game like the anticipatory throw that you making with pressure in your face, unorthodox movements, I think Patrick is elite at this. Being able to throw the ball and be accurate from a different angle. That's just God given talent and that's just that it factor that Caleb Williams possesses where like he likes chaos more than he likes stillness and peace.

[Jason Kelce]

Seriously, that's what it looks like.

[Jameis Winston]

No, no, seriously.

[Jason Kelce]

It's almost like it's like boring to him. Like he's got, all right, I got a comeback out and then all of a sudden he sails it, but then all of a sudden he's running to his left on fourth down and he puts the ball in like a freaking 4x4 window down the field.

[Jameis Winston]

It's insane because it's no thinking. It's no thinking to that. Right? When a guy's wide open, man, we have to think, well, oh my goodness, I can't miss this. Oh, it's too late.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

No, but when, but when it's fourth down, oh, that fourth and eighth throw that he made, moving to the left. There's no making no other choice, you know what I'm saying? So, so it, it, it's either going to look amazing or it's, you know, and iconically like he's made these plays against a similar opponent. Right. Because at the end of the season when they played Green Bay in his fourth quarter was amazing. Like it's just something to a quarterback being able to not turn it on, but fall back into their training.

[Travis Kelce]

I have to ask you this, man. It takes guys to have the most ridiculous backstory, the one of the best careers ever to get a 30 for 30 like in their. In their 50s, when it's all said and done and everybody's looking back, you literally have a 30 for 30. 30 tubs and 30. How crazy was that year? And the roller coaster ups and down. You were out there firing it, man.

[Jameis Winston]

Well, Travis, bro, again, I had a coordinator, right, Byron Leftwich and one Bruce Arians. We go way back, bro. I'm talking about, like, Little League football. Not Little League, but like middle school football. Like, he used to have these camps in Birmingham, Alabama, right? Because his son was a kicker at uab. UAB in Birmingham. I think Cincinnati played against him. Oh, yeah, yeah, he used to have these camps. So I knew Bruce and I knew his mentality of the. You know, the. No risk it. No biscuit.

[Travis Kelce]

No risk it, no biscuit.

[Jameis Winston]

And, bro, and like. And I took that because I love Bruce. I took that to heart, bro. Like, so I was going, I got Mike Evans, I got Chris Godwin, a young O.J. like, we to let this ride. Like, we got too much talent to be holding on to the football, you know, unfortunately, the ball ended up in the defense hands too much, you know, and, you know, that still sit with me. But, you know, that was a contract year for me, man. And that was one of the most up and down years off the field that I had in my life too, man. I just asked my wife to marry me, man. And I was doing this freaking celibacy thing, like, literally refraining from sex, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Bro, I bought.

[Jameis Winston]

Like, my parents were talking to me about shacking, like, in the south. Shacking is like when you living with your significant other, you know, in a house. Like, we had to eliminate that, bro. I literally bought a property and stayed away, you know, from my. From my house, you know what I'm saying?

[Travis Kelce]

It was so much there in the pocket, man.

[Jameis Winston]

It was so much going on, bro.

[Jason Kelce]

Don't take a black light into that house.

[Jameis Winston]

You know, it was the first year. And you guys. You guys know it was the first year in my life that my dad. My dad wasn't coming to any of my football games, bro. His brother, my uncle had passed. He was going through some things with COVID and my grandmother passed a year before. So he was. My dad was dealing with some things, man, so just spiritually of the family, like, we just were going through it, and I was having a great game or I was having, you know, a not so great game. And it was coincided with what was happening off the field. And that's why when I talk to these young athletes, I asked them, like, man, what are you consistently doing outside of the building, too? Because if you are consistently being up and down outside of the building, it's going to come on the field. It's going to come a time and a place where in the players, we can see. Our teammates can see it better than anybody. You can see when somebody is locked in and when somebody is going through something. And I'm the person where, like, I'm obsessed with it, so I'm overly locked in. I'm trying to go overboard. I'm trying to make the every throw because of what I'm dealing with off the field as well. I got my first coordinator that's played the game, like Byron Leftwich, man. He dialing it up. He's doing his thing, man. I mean, we broke records, right?

[Jason Kelce]

Yes.

[Jameis Winston]

And I'm trying to impress him. I got Bruce Arians, a guy that showed me my very first super bowl ring, right? And I'm doing everything that he's telling me to do, right? And I tell everybody, man, go back and check the tape. I told him at the end of the. Check the tape. See how many. No, see how many of those interceptions was really, like, joint efforts.

[Jason Kelce]

We were installing a lot of those plays in Philly. We were watching a lot of Jameis Winston in the year because, like, look at this dude doing down here. You know what I mean?

[Jameis Winston]

We were electric, right? We were electric. And obviously, everyone knows, like, okay, offensively, we gotta take the most, make the most of our possessions, right? Because it hurts everybody. It hurts everybody. Offensive line, when we drive the ball down the field, and boom, you throw a pick. The thing is about this, interceptions do hurt, right? But how we were growing as a team was so inspiring to see. Our defense, Our defense wasn't lights out at the beginning of the year, but toward the end of the year, they just was like, hey, Jameis, I got your back. Like, we got you. We know you gonna let it fly. Like, we got your back. Levante Davis over there, I'm gonna get you one. I'm gonna go get you one, Jay. You know what I'm saying? Carlton Davis, like, okay, I'll lock it down. Like, that started to happen, and then, you know, boom, poof. They get Tom Brady. They win the super bowl next year. It was gonna happen with me, but they decided to get Tom Brady to make it seem like it was him that did it. You know what I'm saying? And Gronk and AB And Lennon, Fournette and Tristan work. I'm gonna stop.

[Jason Kelce]

The team really was a Super team. You brought up advice you have for young quarterbacks. You're with a young quarterback right now in New York. What's it been like operating with Jackson Dart and your role within the Giants? Obviously, you're doing great. You're in the player engagement room right now. Like, what? Yeah, I love this talk about commitment. We're like, what, three weeks into the off season? Most people are, what, Hawaii? Right now, my man's in the freaking player engagement room.

[Jameis Winston]

But it's the vision of, okay, like, man, I done had a lot of short seasons, right? I only been in the playoffs once. You know what I'm saying? But through this entire reign, I'm just like, man, like, what can I do from an obsessive state to stay engaged? Like, I'm gonna keep training, I'm gonna keep preparing. Like, I wanna play and win in the Super Bowl.

[Travis Kelce]

I hear you.

[Jameis Winston]

So I'm not gonna be out the building, and I'm not taking the trips to Cabo, like, right after the season. You know what I'm saying? Now, if somebody got a job for me to go make some money for my family, you know, I go do that, you know? But, like, I'm like, bro, like, I love this. Like, it's still football season. Do you know how painful it is? And, Travis, you got to deal with this some this year because it's been a long time since you and Jason, you dealt with a lot, you know, last year of you, you know, deciding to stop playing. How when you put in everything, man, and you started from OTAs and like, you know, these teams have a one year lifespan, and then just out of nowhere, everything just stop. The preparation, the sweat equity, the togetherness, it just stops, man. So that hurts. So I try my best to just try to do as much as I can with what I have and simulate me preparing for the Super Bowl. But let's talk about Jackson Dart, man.

[Travis Kelce]

Come on, now.

[Jameis Winston]

You know when a dog walk in the room? You understand what I'm saying? You know, when a dog walk in the room, man. And since he first. When he first stepped foot in this building, man, he's been a dog, you know? And I just really value, like, his work ethic. Like, y', all, y'. All, I wish I could have seen just the. The sweat equity he was put in with Brian Dable. And I know Dave's got fired, man, but, like, those guys were tied at the hip, like, because he. He is obsessed with football.

[Travis Kelce]

That's awesome.

[Jameis Winston]

And anybody that's coming in to be our head Coach, you gotta know that you got a guy that wants to win, he's gonna win, because he's. He's special, but he's obsessed. In this, in this day and age, man, you got people that are more. They're more worried about what they get from football than focus on what they can do for football. You know what I'm saying? You know, like, it's that old JFK quote, you know what I'm saying? Let's not ask what your country could do for you. Ask what you could do for your country. That's the type of kid he is. Like, his family he comes from is just a great, wholesome family man. He's just. He loves football. He's a dog. I'm just trying to work with him about. Calculate the risk. Because he'll run over a safety or a cornerback anytime.

[Travis Kelce]

There's been a few times. You already know.

[Jameis Winston]

You see those collisions, man, look, linebackers are D line. Look, we not talking no smack to no D lineman because your offense line gotta pay for that. And we're not trying to run over no linebackers unless it's four, fourth down.

[Travis Kelce]

Or the end zone can't take them on fifth. You gotta roll. You gotta roll a little bit when you hit them. You can't just take them on straight up. You gotta. You're gonna jack up your AC joints.

[Jameis Winston]

But I'd rather a young quarterback be about it than be scared.

[Jason Kelce]

There was. I'm so glad you said it. I don't want to talk trash to the D line because that offensive line got to feel that. I still remember getting ready for an NFC Championship game, and my man Brandon Graham's in there and he's talking so much trash to Dexter Lawrence. I'm like, bro, will you shut the hell up? Trying to rev this dude up. What are you doing over here, bg? But I'm riding with my dog. But I got to ask you this. You just said your goal is to win a Super Bowl. What is. What are you doing to realize that goal? Like, what is. What's it going to take for Jameis Winston to get to a Super Bowl? Obviously, there's a team and all that stuff, but everything that you can control, what are you doing?

[Jameis Winston]

Yeah, the biggest thing that I'm doing is speaking life into my teammates, Right? Because a lot of these young guys, new generation guys, they look for affirmations and stuff that let them know that, okay, like, I'm where I belong. And that's the simple thing I'm doing, is being impeccable with my word, right? Because it starts with one. It starts with a plan, right? And my plan is to be impeccable, with my word, be a man of increase in the building, so everybody can attract that. And then they go out and do it out there on the field, right? The second thing is just me doing what I love. I love playing football, man. Me going out there and working, you know, and hopefully they see me working. When I invite them to come get some of this extra work for the betterment of both of us, they join me. And that starts with just culture. Like, we building that we're gonna go the extra mile. We're building that we're willing and able to do anything, you know, for some success, right? And the third. The third thing, which really should be the first thing is just instilling faith into my teammates, man. They're like, they here for a reason. Like, this ain't no coincidence that they here. It's so challenging to see these confident, moxie young athletes just not really believe. Not believe in something that's bigger than him, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Amen.

[Jameis Winston]

You know, and those are the. Those are. That's just what I take pride in, because I know how it is to be trying to please a man, trying to please somebody else, man. But it is nothing that competes with knowing that I fight from victory and not for victory, for what God and what Christ has did for me, right? And me instilling just those kingdom values, kingdom morals in them, it's going to at least help them be a better man when they get off the field. And one thing my trainer always say, you know, being a better football player would never make you a better man, but being a better man will make you a better football player. So that is what. That's my impact.

[Travis Kelce]

You're going right into coaching. Jameis, you got too many in the bag. You got too many in the bag, man. Hey, man, you got me wanting to.

[Jason Kelce]

Go strap it back up right now.

[Jameis Winston]

But it's sweat equity. Like you. You put in that sweat equity, man. You know what it is to win Super Bowl. You guys are super bowl champions, and, you know, it's those little things. Like, I haven't been privileged to be a part of that. You know what I'm saying? But y' all have. So y' all know that 1% that you put in. Like, my question is to y' all is like, how do you. How do you continue to, like, reciprocate that? How do you allow that message to just have a great vibrational frequency and not be Stopped by people that don't have that mindset, because every year, you guys done it on multiple teams, so you've done it with new guys. It's not like college where you got dynasties and all this stuff. You guys have found a way to win with multiple guys. So how do y'.

[Jason Kelce]

All.

[Jameis Winston]

What's y' all approach for welcoming and inviting other people that don't have. The mentality that you have is not cut from the same cloth as you and transforming them into being super bowl champions, man.

[Jason Kelce]

You wanna start with it, Travis?

[Travis Kelce]

I think you've already hit. Everything that. That I could even, you know, bring to the table is you just gotta. You gotta show everybody you love this shit, man, and you gotta show it every single day by your attention to detail, by how you show up to work, your energy. When you walk in the building is my hood, my hood off, and I'm ready to rock and roll. And I'm. I'm looking everybody in the eyes, and I'm like, you ready to get this? You ready to. To see this install? You ready to get after it today? And just having that sense of urgency and that integrity to come in to do something that you absolutely love. And, you know, not everybody plays the game for the same reason. I understand that. But when you show up with that integrity and that. That work ethic, like, it's. It's staying true more than not that. That guys will fight, will find that as. As. As something they want to be a part of.

[Jason Kelce]

Of.

[Travis Kelce]

And they'll see how. How you're doing, and they'll. They'll. They'll look themselves in the mirror and want to do even more, you know, and that's really the. The biggest thing is setting that culture from the top down, man, Making sure that everybody's doing that from. From, you know, the coaches to the players to the first guy on the. The guys that are on the field to the guys that are on the practice squad. Everybody's. Everybody's got to have that love and desire every single time and alertness and the attention to details, they walk into the building, man.

[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

All right, now, we've been talking about some dogs. You got another dog in New York, Cam Scatterboo. The other side of the one bread Right there, man. You gotta tell us about this guy, man. The world doesn't know enough about him yet.

[Jameis Winston]

Let me tell you something, man. Look, I was. And this is gonna be a perfect example for this, for Cam. It is. Do y' all know where Cam from?

[Jason Kelce]

No, I don't know where Cam's from.

[Travis Kelce]

Go ahead.

[Jason Kelce]

Arizona.

[Jameis Winston]

Cam is from Sacramento, California. What?

[Jason Kelce]

Okay.

[Jameis Winston]

You wouldn't know why this man is from Sacramento, California.

[Travis Kelce]

We would have never made the connection. Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

And that puzzling that y' all had in your eyes is exactly how I was puzzled when I saw him, man. When I tell you, look, so I was watching Lilo and Stitch with the kids, right? And you know how, like, Lilo is in this other land, but, you know, he steals the ship to escape that land because he about to go to prison or whatever, and he just finds his way on the earth. That's where Cam Scatterbo. He is from a football kingdom somewhere else, and somebody just dropped his crazy ass on earth.

[Travis Kelce]

This is so good.

[Jameis Winston]

And said, go run that pill. Because that is how he plays, man. He plays with a passion and a desire to kill, to hunt. And when you bro, this what got me. So I told Scott, you know, I was warningham gloves. We had these conversations. You know, we had Russ in the room and Jackson, he's young, just bless him. He said, you know, Cam, you know scat is about the same size as Marshawn Lynch. Russ gave him a look.

[Jason Kelce]

He said, yeah, right.

[Jameis Winston]

He said, marshawn's thigh is the same size as Cam. Listen. And I doubled down. I was like, yeah. I was like, jax, I don't know if he. Come on now. You can't pay him to be smol. Like, he told that rock, he tough, but come on, he ain't the same size, man. When we played against Kansas City and him and Nick Bolton met in that hole, and you know, Bolton built like a refrigerator truck, you know what I'm saying? He is grounded. He is put together. And when he ran over Nick Bolton in that hole, I said, okay, this white boy right here is something serious. I said, he right here. He is something serious. I don't know if he ran him.

[Travis Kelce]

Over, but either way, I gotta ask him about it.

[Jameis Winston]

You know what I'm saying? It was a statement where I was just like, man, he's fearless, you know? And immediately, you know, people started giving him names. Peyton Ellis, Mike Allstott. You know what I'm saying? They whitewashed it. No, dog, man, he has toting that pill. I say it not the size. But like, Earl Campbell, man, he putting his head in there, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

And he going, two guys, man, Like Bo Jackson. Like, he don't got the speed like Bo, but I'm just saying, man, he is putting his head down and falling forward, bro. And, Jason, you respect this. It's a difference when a running back can give you three, and when a running back can make three turn into seven, that's bigger for sure, man, because you know in the fourth quarter, that seven gonna turn into 12, and that 12 is gonna eventually be a breakout run for us to really step on their neck. And that is what he gave us. And honestly, y' all talked about Jackson, and we talked about the hits he took, but having a running back like that is what took some of those hits. Hits off of Jackson, right? Because Jackson felt that he had to bring that to the team.

[Travis Kelce]

Right?

[Jameis Winston]

But that's what Cam was for this team. He was that enforcer, a young enforcer that was confident. Like, one of the funny stories, man. So against the Eagles, when they was winning at Keller Green. I love that Kelly Green.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, my God.

[Jameis Winston]

It's one of the most beautiful jerseys in the world. Okay. We playing against the Eagles, and he runs little choice routes, man, and he gets. Gets regular Zack Bond falling his ankle, and he fractures his ankle, man. Greg Van Ron is out there trying to help him up, and he said, scat. Was he like, help me up. Oh, help me up. He's like, I don't think so. Like, your ankle is going. He said, but the guys out there said, help me up. I got it, like. And that's the toughness that he possesses, man. So he is from a different planet, bro. With his passion, his enthusiasm, and really, his love for football, y'.

[Jason Kelce]

All.

[Jameis Winston]

Oh, yeah, it's crazy.

[Travis Kelce]

It oozes out of him, man.

[Jason Kelce]

One more thing from this past year. You kind of did your best version of a tight end impersonation here this season. Can we pull up this clip? Can we pull up this highlight? What's going on in your head when this play gets called in, when you're running it? Like, give us the start to start to finish.

[Jameis Winston]

The start to finish was. I just hope he give me a chance. You know what I'm saying? When they talk about giving giving number one receivers and number one tight ends the ball, all you got to do is give him a chance.

[Travis Kelce]

No, risk it. No Biscuit, baby.

[Jameis Winston]

And when we see this double reverse pass, when I toss him this pill, I'm just like, man, I know I'm about to Score a touchdown. I've been waiting on this moment my whole life. And as I run down that sideline, I throw my hand up.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, he Randy Boston.

[Jameis Winston]

And that is called attacking the football. And that's called rap with the filet at the end.

[Jason Kelce]

It's incredible. It's incredible.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, my God.

[Jameis Winston]

I was waiting for that moment, you know what I'm saying? Hey, that was good eyes by that D lineman. He really was alive. Linebacker. But he can't guard me.

[Travis Kelce]

Nah, he can't either. Oh, man, that was electric.

[Jameis Winston]

Man, I. I wish I was the, the, the commentator, the media person to ask, you know, the defense, the defensive coordinator about, you know, hey, Coach, you know what? What do you think when the. The New York Football Giants did that wide receiver pass and went, well, you know, it doesn't matter what you think. Pull a lockdown on them, you know what I'm saying? Just let them know it don't matter.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, my gosh, man. Did you know where the camera was? Did you feel the camera over there? It is pure cinema. It is be. It is. It is one of my favorite clips of all time, man. Because you definitely don't expect you to be able to make a play. Come back to the ball. Then you give them the ha in the field, shake them, get them off. You come into the end zone, finger roll, get excited with the teammates, and then just right into the camera. It is so epic.

[Jameis Winston]

Every time I walk, I got the confirmation from my boy in Detroit, Devin Funches. He from Detroit.

[Travis Kelce]

Shout out. Yeah, De Funches.

[Jameis Winston]

I said, hey, man, like, when, When I score this touchdown, like I really want to hit a dance. He said, you know what a kill Detroit? He said, do the boss up on him. I said, all right. So in the night meal, I'm talking to. We got Nick Jones, who played for Kansas City, who's also from Detroit.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

He done bought everybody some wings right from Detroit, this wingspan spot. So I'm, I'm. I'm chewing on some wings, you know. I said, hey, Nick. He said, yeah. I said, man, what about this dance right now? When I score a touchdown tomorrow, I'm gonna do this dance. So I show him the dance and he said, oh, yeah? He said, yeah, the city really going to love that. So I had to. I had to put on for the city. I was grateful for that.

[Travis Kelce]

God damn, dude. That shit was epic, man.

[Jameis Winston]

I appreciate y'.

[Travis Kelce]

All.

[Jason Kelce]

I gotta ask you, as a, as an Eagle, you played us twice this year. Season just ended a lot of questions about the offense. I Mean, I know you didn't probably watch a lot of Eagles offense. What did you see? Okay. All right.

[Jameis Winston]

Well, well, well, well. The main thing that I. That I saw was we can talk about simplicity in offense. We can talk about all that stuff. But Jalen hurts. He finds a way to win games. And the running game wasn't as prolific as it was last year. Right. Jalen didn't use his legs as much as he did, you know, in the years prior, you know, when you went deep into the playoffs. So it's that balance of, okay, we know Jalen, he likes it. He likes space. He likes things being open. Like, but how can we put him in the best position for him as well, Right? Like, how can we protect him? Right? Because you need your quarterback, but also use the gifts that he has, and one of those gifts is his legs. And I just don't think that that catered enough to him because I feel like that balance between having to stop Jalen Hurts and stop Saquon Barkley was. It was tough, right? But I don't think defenses really feared that this year. They knew they were like, okay, they gonna try to protect Jalen, like, and I don't know. I have to talk to Jalen. I don't know if he was dealing with an injury or anything, you know, but I just feel like y' all dominated the trenches, really. Pass, pass blocking wise. Y' all still. That offensive line still is among the top in terms of pass blocking, but in terms of running game, your running game was not as. As prominent as it has been in the past. And I think it starts like, you know, this, Travis, because Andy is adamant about establishing a run game.

[Travis Kelce]

Yes.

[Jameis Winston]

Y' all do everything with Quentin.

[Travis Kelce]

Culture, art. You know it, man.

[Jameis Winston]

Exactly. He depends on that run game because that. That's what takes the wheel of a defense. And I just think that offensively, the Eagles didn't have that. That factor where they are going to finish games with the run. They did it against us. Tank Bixby, he had a great day, but when crunch time came, when the Eagles are up, it should be a win, especially in the fourth quarter, because they can run the football. Y' all weren't able to run the football as effectively.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

And another thing, man, like. And I love AJ And I love Jalen, you know, but it is kind of. It's a beautiful thing to see Jalen Devonta, what they do outside of the numbers, because, you know, it's either a go or a stop. And if it's second and short, it's gonna be a slant. Like it's a three route minimum. Three route minimum that they're doing. And the execution that they have in those crunch moments, it has to be above 90%. Like, I'm not throwing 50, 50 balls to AJ Brown. I'm throwing 9010 balls to AJ Brown. I'm not throwing 50,50 balls to DeVonta Smith. I'm throwing 90 10. Like, you know, Travis, you know this. When it's crunch time, all of us together, no matter, no matter the angst that we have with each other, all of us have to produce when our team need us to produce. It ain't about who getting targets, but the defense know what we gonna do. We know what we gonna do. And last year, again, y' all executed it on those one on one opportunities on the outside, right? So I don't think it's rocket science.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Jameis Winston]

Like, one thing about Jalen, we talk about me and the amount of office coordinators, like, Jalen hasn't had continuity and I know it's part of the same scheme, but he hasn't had the same voice for a year, like for multiple years in a long time. And that's challenging as a quarterback to get different culture points, to get a different word. Like when you don't have that discipline, when you are a disciplined quarterback. Jalen's very disciplined. He's straight and narrow. For you to have different voices every year when you're trying to lead a team, it's tough to the promised land. It's challenging, man.

[Jason Kelce]

It is.

[Jameis Winston]

It's so challenging.

[Travis Kelce]

I think you, you hit it on the head, man, because I remember the last year and the run game with Saquon, obviously, 2,000 yard rush. I mean, you can't substitute that if. But teams are going to adjust. Teams are going to adjust to how you're playing them and, or how you, how effective you are with it. But I remember in the super bowl, man, even when we were trying to claw back and have any, any chance there in the second quarters, the third quarters, man, we get it in a, in a third and medium third and long. And he would use his legs and it wouldn't just be for, for a first down, it'd be for a huge gain. And all of a sudden they're explosive. They're in, they're in an opportunity to, to kick a field goal and we just had him on a third and third and manageable in, you know, in their own territory. So it's just being able to, I don't know, just him being able to use his legs is. It's night and day, man.

[Jameis Winston]

It's a happy balance, right? Like there are calls where the quarterback moves. Patrick has a lot of those, a lot of them where he's moving the pocket, right where he's putting the defense, like, because if you pressure him, you got a risk that we're moving the pocket and you're pressing in the area that's vacated, right? And if we play zone now, it's the two edged throw now he could beat us with our legs and God forbid you play, man. Now our back is turned against him, right? Like I believe, like it's some creativity that can be, that can help Jalen perfect his craft, man, because he is an elite talent. Like you see the accuracy, you see the ability to win the tough game and the big game, but now he needs continuity for once. Like every great quarterback done had continuity. Like you can't tell me a quarterback that's been freaking, you know, flipping OCs. That's what he doing. He flipping OCs like real estate properties, you know what I'm saying? To be important for the organization and for him to have a similar voice, man, I don't think it's fair for him, you know, Jalen, in terms of his quarterback. And I know he's okay with it. Nothing phases him. You know, he's a very disciplined and structured guy. But from an outside looking in, you know, I told you this, Jason, you know, I grew up an Eagles fan, so I'm room for the city of brother love to win, you know what I'm saying? And not when they play against us, you know, but outside of that, to win, right?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

And for their quarterback, for this to be their franchise guy, like, you have to make an effort into at least catering to his needs. And I think one thing that's required is for him to have a consistent voice that he wants, that he loves, that allows him to be in his element.

[Jason Kelce]

I love everything you're saying right there, man. I really do. And I agree with it. I really do. The one thing you brought up, man, like the. It's not even just the, like the new play caller and getting a feel for that, it's just the verbiage too. Like I was so lucky to have Stout for a long time. I would like we, like we're on like our third different head coach and I'd be calling a blitz what we called it with Chip Kelly, but because we knew what it was like, I'd be on the. Hey, they're bringing, they're bringing Wasp, right?

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

And like, the other coach is like, what the hell are you talking about? And Stout's like, oh, he's talking about the free safety.

[Jameis Winston]

Will Will. Free safety.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. A lot of that gets, like, homogenized in your brain. And for a guy like Jalen, like in the moment, like, even just communicating with guys, communicating with your teammates, that's hard when the verbiage is changing constantly. I haven't ever thought about that, but it was hard for me, so I know it's hard for him. He's been through it a lot.

[Jameis Winston]

One thing I wanted to ask you because I think that's a great point, because obviously Travis, like, you, you. You reached that pinnacle and you still keep going. It's crazy how you freaking still turning up.

[Travis Kelce]

My verbiage has been the same since I've been in Kansas City, so I don't know what you guys are talking. I experienced it one time in one of the Pro Bowls. I played in. I had to there and learn a whole new offense. I'm like, bro, I'm not running any of these routes. I'm just gonna see whatever covers there. Mac Jones was throwing me daggers that I was supposed to be running. I'm running go routes.

[Jameis Winston]

But to that point, Jason, you've experienced three. Like, what? You had three different head coaches.

[Jason Kelce]

Four.

[Jameis Winston]

Four different head coaches. So you know what a head coach looks like. You know what I'm saying? And for us, for the Giants, us being in this position that we in, like, some people aren't blessed with having a head coach for the majority of their career. Some people have different regime changes. But you've won two Super Bowls with two different head coaches. What are those key qualities of a leader in the head coach that teams should be looking for to win football games? Because that's what we all after. Because this is my perspective. My perspective is like, hey, we're all self policing. It's our team. No crap. We the one out there doing it, right? But like, what does these men or what does your team have that kind of makes up for a head coach? Or what does that head coach have that allows a veteran guy, a veteran person to your status? That is. That is has a foundation that is established in his role. What makes him want to follow a new coach coming in?

[Travis Kelce]

That's a good coach question.

[Jason Kelce]

Man, I think I was really fortunate in Philadelphia, although we had a lot of coaching changes. We had a great locker room and a great building and Jeffrey Lurie, Howie Roseman. It all started with Andy Reid, really. And I Learned from, you know, Brent Selleck, all these players before me. And there's a sense of unity and like a. Honestly, because I was drafted to Philly and unrealistic, like, idea of loyalty from the organization. I never got cut. I never went to another organization. I was only in this one. And I think between me, Lane Johnson was that way. Fletcher Cox was that way. Brandon Graham was that way. Philadelphia, even through the changes, they did a great job of retaining pieces like Jeff Stoutland. I had four different head coaches. I only had two offensive line coaches. That's rare that offensive line coach stays through head coaches. That's rare that do. Staley stays. I think the organization does a great job of keeping pieces. So Philadelphia has always had this, like, tight, like, mindset and like the locker room and it. That has always been well established. And then when a coach comes in with some fresh ideas, a lot of energy, a moxie to him, and he's surrounded with other great coaches and you already know how he's going to build. Like, I mean, what allows us to win Super Bowls. We have some pretty damn good players. Like, that's the reality of it. And the coaches. Doug was a player, so he knew how to navigate, especially like older players who knew what they were doing. He was great on top of building that energy and that motivation, infusing belief. And then on with Nick, it's the same way. We didn't win one with Nick. We went to one with Nick. He won one last year. Nick is very good, one of the best at coaching in the team meeting. A lot of times I get into the team meeting, I'm like, man, what are we going to talk about today? What's going to happen? Nick is so good at maximizing and communicating to the team. Situational ball. Little stories that I feel like sometimes are made up. Probably a lot of times are made up. But they. But they get you going. They get the juices going. They set your mindset right. At the end of the day, you still need the players. You need great, great coordinators. You need a great quarterback. But I think that between Nick and Doug, both of those guys were really, really good at talking to the team, at spreading the message, at communicating with players. Right. Doug used to have the player council meeting, so all the leaders would go and talk to the head coach. Like, I think you get a good pulse for the team. Because really, as a head coach, what I want to see is a guy that is just. Just. I want to see a guy that he wants the best for me and the best for us. And he's maximizing everything he can to get the best out of me. And that can come away like whether you're a players coach, whether you're. You're MF and me. I don't care if you're MF and me. If you got my best interest at heart, like you want the best for me, I get it. I'm right here. But if I feel like you're mfing me because there's some ulterior motive for you selfishly, me, no, fuck you.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, you wanna dance and talk to me like that?

[Jason Kelce]

You wanna dance?

[Travis Kelce]

Let's go.

[Jameis Winston]

That is so important, right?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

Like what you just stated right there. And I think we sense that. Like we know, we know when a message is from another human or if it's from a higher up. Like, man, don't feed me no what you heard from somebody else, do you tell me what you think.

[Travis Kelce]

What's in here? What's in here? What are you looking for in the Giants new coach?

[Jameis Winston]

Man, I'm looking for a stern leader. I believe that we got a great young room, but I believe like you said, that energy, man, that understanding what it takes to be a player is required, especially with this new generation. Man, we need discipline because when you got young guys, we need somebody that know how to steer that ship to where we're going. We got one mission and that's win games and win the super bowl, right?

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

We need consistency, agency. We need someone that's going to be who they are every single day, right? The emotions. As a head coach, like it's Dirk Cutter, my first oc, he always shared passion versus emotion. We don't need emotions, man, because games are going to have ebbs and flows. We need passion. We need to know that you love us. We need to know that you're for us. We need to know that you're going to make business decisions during a business decision type, like during the course of a season. We need you believing in what you presented us at the beginning of the season and not going back to your B plan. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like the third thing, man, we need someone that is going to give us a complete paradigm shift, man. Because when you have an organization over the past few years that hasn't been accustomed to winning, you have to bring in a to way.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes.

[Jameis Winston]

You can't bring in somebody that over the course of the past few years hasn't won because that's sticking. That's doing the same thing that you've been doing. You have to bring in somebody that is a winner through and through, and if you look at his pedigree, he's won everywhere he's been, or you bring in a new guy and you start to slate clean, right? And you use the culture like you said with Howard Roseman. You use the Byron Burns and the Dexter Lawrence and myself and the. The Andrew Thomases, and you use those guys, build around those guys, and you cater to that. And you see, these are my leadership roles. This is my counsel. Like, what is going to make this team the best team possible?

[Jason Kelce]

I think you just hit it on the head. You really. It's like, how are you conducting? You got their leaders, you got your guys that have experience, that know how to do it, and you're just doing that, man. You're. You're being accountable when you mess up. You're showing up and you're putting the work, kid. You're showing up and you're competing with maniacal, relentless energy like, no, it ain't acceptable. It's not acceptable to lose here. That's not. Like, I, I know it's just a. A Thursday, but I take this personal.

[Jameis Winston]

The passion.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, all of that stuff rubs off and that. You're 100% right. That's exactly where you're at. If you're the New York Giants, you sign guys, you bring guys in like yourself, guys that have. That have had success, guys that are relentlessly passionate, passionate about playing the game, and then that rubs off on everybody that passes.

[Travis Kelce]

Just got to ooze out of you, man. Before we get to this last segment, I got to ask you one more thing about the playoffs, man. Who do you think. Who do you think is going to take it? Who does Jameis think is going to be hosting that Lombardi this year?

[Jameis Winston]

Man? I really. I really think that. That the Seahawks, I think they're going to come out the NFC side, man. And I'm kind of. I'm kind of in between on the real. Really, the afc, because, like, Josh, you know, I'm a big fan of Josh, and I think, like, what better year than this year for him to do it, right? No Pat, no Joe, no Lamar, he's the head guy on that side.

[Travis Kelce]

Right.

[Jameis Winston]

But when you look at Denver, when you look at New England and you look at the Houston Texans, I don't see Buffalo beating them. I just. I just don't like the AFC is really a toss up. And I want to say. I really want to say. I want to say it's Going between the Rams and the Seahawks on the nfc. I want to. But, man, when I. When I see that Seahawks defense run around, energy, man.

[Travis Kelce]

Talk about that passing.

[Jason Kelce]

Exciting.

[Jameis Winston]

Yes. And you see that in them, the whole team, you know, And I'm not saying that the Rams don't have that right. I believe they do. But you see it like, you can sense it. I feel like the best two teams, I feel like it's three great teams. Great teams. I feel like the Seahawks, the freaking New England Patriots and the Houston Texans are great teams. I believe the Denver Broncos, they have the chance to win it, all right? I do, because of their head coach and Sean Payton. But I want to see a AFC matchup between the Denver Broncos in the Houston Texans. And I believe whoever. Whoever wins out of that is going to win a Super bowl this year.

[Jason Kelce]

Okay.

[Jameis Winston]

I really believe. But I go back to. Because I've been talking in circles. I go back to Josh Allen. If Josh Allen can find a way to beat the Denver Broncos this week.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

I don't see nobody stop. I think that's the confidence that he needs.

[Travis Kelce]

It feels like the Bills have that trump card, man. It really does, man. But I'm excited for this next week of football, man. Cause it's.

[Jameis Winston]

Whoever.

[Travis Kelce]

It's going to be so much fun seeing how all this plays out, man. Exactly. It's. It's going to be a blast, man. But let's get into this last segment. We always end in these conversations with a little bit of. We gotta ask. You can tell us to off and you don't have answer, but we gotta ask, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Have you been working on the hard count?

[Jameis Winston]

I have. I have. I eliminated the jump. Somebody jump off sides. You got rid of them, you know what I'm saying? I did. I did.

[Travis Kelce]

But that though.

[Jameis Winston]

Yeah, yeah. What I need.

[Jason Kelce]

Terrible. What?

[Jameis Winston]

Somebody jump off S. Damn. It was elite.

[Travis Kelce]

You know?

[Jason Kelce]

It was.

[Jameis Winston]

But when. When you think about it, if it wasn't cold, I would have got somebody. When you playing in cold weather, it's very tough, very tough to get somebody. You know what I'm saying? You just, like, I'm. I'm froze. Need to step around.

[Travis Kelce]

Stuck here, man.

[Jameis Winston]

So that's why I just loved it.

[Jason Kelce]

Because there's that point where you're doing the dummy count where, you know, nobody. Nobody jumping on this.

[Travis Kelce]

I don't want anything to do with it. I fucking hate the whole dummy count. Like, let's have a play ready to run. Let's try and get them off sides first, but let's Just run a fucking play, man.

[Jameis Winston]

I think it has. It has his time, right? Like when the clock about to run out, like when you just trying to get a free 5 yards, when you got like a second in short, what's.

[Jason Kelce]

Your favorite hard count to try and get some a team offsides?

[Jameis Winston]

My, my favorite hard count is. They call it like the Green Bay case is when you have a cadence and you're just going through the cadence and as soon as somebody jumps, we locked in, they snap the ball and we go four verts, right? That's my favorite. You get a free play. You know, like, I argue so much with our staff this year about, like, why is it not in. You got a smart center, you got guys that could run like that play like you saw Aaron Rodgers did the last game, the only completion he had over freaking 30 yards was when he got up on the center. Got the guy.

[Travis Kelce]

He'd been doing it his whole career, man.

[Jameis Winston]

He'd been doing it his whole life. And if. And they try to call it the Green Bay cadence, it's not. It's just if a guy jump off size, I got every time snap it, let's go, let's get a free play.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't disagree. I think sometimes in the past where we've had issues with it is like, is it a run play? Is the tackle blocking? Are we always just going to do a vertical if we get them off sides? So you kind of got to differentiate. It's really. If it's a pass play, dude, if somebody jumps on sides, just take a shot. That's what it should be, right?

[Jameis Winston]

But look at this. If you got regular one word football plays, which we had, if you got one word football plays with alerts, with motions, with freaking protection, adjustments, you should be able to have a single cadence. And in that single cadence, this cadence right here, we gonna call this the Jason Kelce cadence. And then this cadence is one protection and it's one concept. You can do this. This I can get. I can get in a hole and call. I write, you know, fake 37, wide zone, right boot, right, Z post, X cross and say on the jk.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

Everybody know what to freaking do.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jameis Winston]

On the jk. If somebody jump off size.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes, yes.

[Travis Kelce]

You know what I'm saying? Running that white cross, I know that.

[Jameis Winston]

You going down, you might score a touchdown. You know what I'm saying, baby, you're not.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, man, you played with one of the greatest ever in Drew Brees, man. What was, what was it like playing being in in the locker room with him, man, he's. He's obviously, you know, one of the best that is. That has ever done it. Walter Payton, man of the year. The guy just seems like this character and his. His realness oozes out of him, man. What was the. What was the best thing you learned from Drew? What was it like playing with him?

[Jameis Winston]

The best thing I learned from him was, and it helped me so much with my game is focusing on the process and not the outcome. Like, he was so process oriented, man. Like just his details with his footwork. With his footwork to different concepts, man, all stemmed from, again, what we talked about earlier, the continuity that he and Sean had in that offense. He mastered everything that that offense had to give. And at the quarterback position, doing that for a very long time at a high level, it just speaks in volumes of his work ethic and just the love that he had for his teammates, man. So I'm so grateful for Drew and where he helped me, man, because, you know, that one year with him, that helped elevate me to have one of the best years of my career. It was shortly lived because I got hurt, but, like, he helped me just with my process of, you know, what first and second down really is. First and second down. Like, we playing Canadian football, right? Like, we not like, how do you play? You know, the term behind Canadian football is, hey, let's get first downs on first and second down. And let's eliminate third down, right?

[Travis Kelce]

For those who don't know the Canadian game, you only get three downs in the Canadian game.

[Jameis Winston]

Yeah, you only get three downs. And with him, just his approach to everything, one of the greatest stories I had, man, we were losing to the Las Vegas Raiders and we were down like two scores. And Drew, he had a good game, but we were coming back and we had some shots down the field that were open to me, that was open. The offensive line had great protection. And I was like, I asked him on the sideline, like, Drew, like, hey, man, we down two scores. You ain't trying to push the ball. He was like, man, I never let a mistake that I made earlier in the game hunt me through the remainder of the game, right? Because I think he threw an interception earlier that game and he was just like, man, I'm gonna stick with my process, right? I'm not gonna allow just the greed of wanting to get something right then impact with my process that I have for this two minute drive, for this drive to help us get back in the game, right? And then the next week we went and played freaking the LA Chargers, and he was in that same position, and he went down, dink, dunk, dink, dunk, dink. And ended up winning the game for us by just staying on his process. Another thing that I learned from, like, on Saturdays when everybody's gone out the building, I would just sit. I would take a chair, and I would just sit on a chair. And Drew would go through two minutes on air by himself, calling the calls. Champagne blessed us. Like, he allowed us to call the calls during two minutes. So he would go down the field, up and down the field, at least three or four times, calling his place, like, really visualizing that moment. So I practice that in my training as well, man. So just to see the attention to detail that he had, even when I was only with him on his last.

[Travis Kelce]

Year, still, though, man, and to see.

[Jameis Winston]

What he went through, you saw the full product.

[Travis Kelce]

That's. That's what. That's what the cool part of it is, that you saw the accumulation of all those years into one, and you have to see what the finished product looked like.

[Jameis Winston]

Yeah, I did, man. And just to see what he was overcoming that last year with injury and all this and that, man, it just was. It was really a sight to see, man. I'm very grateful for Drew Brees.

[Travis Kelce]

How about it, man? I gotta ask this one, man. Your Florida State days, you were known for to be on the football field and the diamond. Has it ever crossed your mind to just pick up the old wooden bat and go out there and see if you still got it?

[Jameis Winston]

Man, I actually cross trained two years ago. I started back swinging a Batman because I realized that I lost all of my torque and my rotation, man. Because every single year growing up, when I stopped football, I went straight into baseball. I did my shoulder care, I did my fielding work, I did my tee work. I did everything that I would do for baseball because I actually trained harder at baseball than I did football. And once I get to league, hey, let's work on this. And I'm just like, man, my first five years in league, I lost all my wiggle. I came to league freaking limber. I was able to take stuff to the house. I was like, I got to get back to building the athlete. Because, you see, that's what the game is. It ain't no more just standing in the pocket, look around all progressions and complete the pass. You have to be able to extend thin plays at the quarterback position to win in this football league. Now you have to. And I think that cross training with baseball has actually elevated me, gave me a few more extra years on my play because of the different movements and different actions that I do when I'm taking fly balls, when I'm fielding ground balls, when I'm swinging the baseball bat, being at different planes, man. It goes. And I try to tell young kids, like, guys, do not try to become a guru at one sport, man. Get on a basketball. Basketball court. Get. Play something lacrosse, man. Play some baseball, play some football, man. Like, don't. Do not. Do not just be focused on one little thing like, oh, my baby gonna be, you know, the number one pick at a quarterback. I promise you. Your baby is going to be looking like that number one pick from age 8 to age 18. He gonna look just. Just like he is. You gotta. You gotta get some variety, man.

[Travis Kelce]

I'm with you, man.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm with you 100%.

[Travis Kelce]

We played all of them. We played absolutely all of them, man. That shit was the best.

[Jameis Winston]

Yes, Y' all are athletes, man. Y' all really are.

[Jason Kelce]

Not even just physically. I. I feel like. Know you start to mentally take things over. Like you.

[Jameis Winston]

You.

[Jason Kelce]

You spacing that you see on the basketball court. You take it.

[Travis Kelce]

What do you know about spacing on the basketball court?

[Jason Kelce]

Well, I know that you do it. I took. I. I take spacing from. From the hockey ring. There you go.

[Travis Kelce]

Angles and leverage. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

I still remember I started playing lacrosse, and I was a. I was playing football first. I started playing lacrosse.

[Travis Kelce]

You should have seen this, man, on the lacrosse field.

[Jameis Winston]

I can't imagine.

[Travis Kelce]

Insane.

[Jason Kelce]

But. But they got all these moves. They got like a face dodge. You got a roll dodge where you're doing a spin move, all these things. And I'm like, playing D line. I'm grabbing this stick. I'm like, I'm taller than this dude. I swim them like this. Yeah, just pull up, swim, move out. And my coach is like, what are you doing? That ain't going to work, bro. Nobody could top my stop.

[Travis Kelce]

It was like, I'm over here swimming, everybody.

[Jason Kelce]

And now there's guys doing individual lacrosse. You see guys doing it and coach, like, every time I see it, I think of you. And I'm like, yeah, that's because it's.

[Jameis Winston]

Good move, Coach, if you ain't seen it, what make you think that they saw it? You know what I'm saying? Like, they don't think about that. Oh, that ain't never gonna work. Well, coach, you ain't never seen it before. How you think. Do you think they ever seen. So I know it's gonna work.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, last question. Do you have a welcome to the NFL moment?

[Jameis Winston]

Well, yes, I have a iconic welcome to the NFL moment. I got two.

[Travis Kelce]

I got two for you.

[Jameis Winston]

Well, my very first pass in the NFL was a touchdown.

[Travis Kelce]

Touchdown.

[Jameis Winston]

And a lot of people, A lot of people can never say that. Yes, it was. It was a Cody Simpson ball on a pick six. So my very first pass. That was. That was a welcome today. So you got my. So look, this is, this is, this is. This is the craziest thing, right?

[Travis Kelce]

We both threw a pick on our first man. That's why I knew you were my brother, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Our first.

[Travis Kelce]

Both of our first NFL passes were interceptions, man. Let's go.

[Jameis Winston]

Listen though, bro, like I'm tell you about this. So I'm in. I'm with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And you know, we got Lovey Smith. Lovey Smith is our cunning company. Tony Duny tree. It's going to be two Tampa spot drop three or mad right? And he'll probably throw. Bring a five man rush pressure, you know what I'm saying? Play zone, five zone in the back end. Man, our first game was the great Dick LeBeau. All that defense, all the different looks, odd fresh fronts, pressures, man. The first, third down was third and six, man. They ran two man coming from. I'm coming from college, man. I ain't seen two man all year, man. I set it up, man. I threw a little trust route outbreak, man. Cody Sizabok jumped that thing undercut. I was like, oh, my God. I had to hop on my horse. And I was like, well, it was a touchdown, you know what I'm saying now? But at first I was pissed. I was like, man, I wasn't prepared for this. You know what I'm saying? I didn't. They was gonna play no two man. I was like, what is two man?

[Travis Kelce]

That's too funny.

[Jameis Winston]

You know, first, third down, he played two man. Like, welcome to the NFL. Like, I thought I was an athletic quarterback. You played me two man. And then look, nowadays, you watching film, you like, oh, yeah. Oh, they play two man. Or some people say cover five.

[Travis Kelce]

Nobody's got me.

[Jameis Winston]

And you hit a quarterback. Coach, man, look, it's embarrassing if they play two man against you. Looking over and I'm just like, oh, man.

[Travis Kelce]

They calling it embarrassing.

[Jameis Winston]

It was embarrassing that they played two man against me and it worked. I'm like, golly, that's what I'm saying. And it worked. I should have ran.

[Travis Kelce]

Nobody's got to. That's too fucking Good, man. Well, Jameis, man, appreciate the time, appreciate the stories, appreciate the wisdom. Best of luck with you over there in New York in the future, man. Always, always a huge fan of you as a person, man. And I can't thank you enough for jumping on with us, brother.

[Jameis Winston]

Man, I'll retweet that to both of y', all, man. You know how much respect I have for you, Jason, man, for what you just done for this game, man. And Travis, as you to just inspire a whole generation of OGs, bro, the way that you kill it, the way that you dominate, bro, thank you so much for the passion and the energy, you know what I'm saying? Because like you always say what you.

[Travis Kelce]

Always say, you gotta fight.

[Jameis Winston]

Come on, bro. And you be fighting.

[Travis Kelce]

You're the best.

[Jameis Winston]

And that's the energy that we have. The fact that you know where I was going.

[Travis Kelce]

I knew Ex. You already know, man. It's that passion, baby. You already know.

[Jameis Winston]

So thank y', all, man.

[Travis Kelce]

Love you, brother. You already know, man. All love.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jameis Winston, famous Jamis baby. He did not disappoint.

[Travis Kelce]

He never does.

[Jason Kelce]

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[Jameis Winston]

That's right.

[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

Oh, yeah. We inside, but we outside. It's the other way around.

[Travis Kelce]

I'm inside.

[Jason Kelce]

Travis is outside.

[Travis Kelce]

I'm inside.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, he's inside. He's. He's outside. But he's inside. He's outside, but he's inside.

[Travis Kelce]

This all is true. All right. I'd have no conflicting remarks.