Flipping the Playoff Switch, Fixing the CFP, Why We Love Snow Games & Hobby Horsing Around | Ep 121

Summary

Episode Summary: "Flipping the Playoff Switch, Fixing the CFP, Why We Love Snow Games & Hobby Horsing Around | Ep 121"

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce, hosted by Wondery, delves into the intense happenings of the NFL season, offering insider perspectives from the celebrated sibling duo—Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs. In Episode 121, released on January 22, 2025, the brothers dissect playoff scenarios, critique the College Football Playoff (CFP) structure, celebrate the allure of snow games, and engage in light-hearted banter about hobby horsing. This summary encapsulates their key discussions, insights, and conclusions, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.

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1. NFL Playoffs and the Kansas City Chiefs' Dynasty

Travis Kelce opens the conversation by reflecting on the Chiefs' unprecedented streak of advancing to the AFC Championship game for the seventh consecutive year.

"It feels good, man. One game and you get the puncher ticket into the super bowl... we've been fortunate enough to do this for seven straight years." ([13:20])

Jason Kelce expresses awe at this achievement, highlighting its rarity and the Chiefs' consistent excellence.

"Seven straight times you have been one of the top two teams in the AFC. It's mind-blowing." ([13:52])

The brothers discuss the impact of Coach Andy Reid's leadership, noting his 300th career win and his ability to maintain team morale and performance.

"Andy Reid, even though he's one of the greatest coaches ever with 300 career wins, is absolutely insane. He still finds a way to brush it off and have fun with it." ([14:23])

Travis emphasizes the team’s focus on collective success over individual accolades, underscoring the importance of teamwork in their playoff aspirations.

"It's all about what your team does at the end of the day." ([14:23])

2. Critique of the 12-Team College Football Playoff (CFP) Structure

Jason and Travis critique the CFP's expansion to 12 teams, debating its effectiveness and length.

"Did the 12 team format a success? Did it go too long? I think both of those can have different answers." ([03:58])

Travis finds the extended playoff season taxing, suggesting a reduction to six teams.

"Just go six teams." ([04:12])

They acknowledge that while the format may determine the best team more accurately by including traditionally strong programs, it compromises engagement and length.

"But I don't like it still... It was very hard to stay engaged through the whole College football playoff." ([04:23])

3. Potential Expansion of NFL Season and Rule Changes

The discussion shifts to the NFL considering an 18-game regular season, a topic indirectly confirmed by Roger Goodell on a late-night show.

"The NFL will move to an 18 game in season." ([08:04])

While recognizing logistical challenges, they debate the necessity and implications of extending the season, especially concerning team dynamics and player fatigue.

Jason mentions the uneven distribution of home and away games in a 17-game season, hinting that an 18-game season would resolve such issues.

"They went to 17 to see how it felt. The 18 game season was a foregone conclusion when they went to 17." ([08:30])

4. Rule Changes and Defensive Strategies

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to proposed rule changes to enhance defensive fairness, specifically the Defensive Pass Interference (DPI) penalties.

Jason advocates for a tiered DPI system, suggesting that minor infractions warrant a 15-yard penalty instead of a spot foul.

"I feel like that should be 15 yards. Does that make sense?" ([09:22])

Travis remains skeptical, preferring the current system where defensive holding is a 5-yard penalty compared to offensive holding's 10 yards.

"I think all of this is fine the way it is." ([09:28])

They also touch upon unconventional rule proposals, such as awarding four points for hitting the crossbar on a field goal attempt, which they find questionable.

"I don't know where Bo was going with this, but it was good to see him in the suite after the game." ([09:42])

5. Player Performances and Playoff Statistics

Travis Kelce highlights his remarkable playoff journey, now trailing only legends like Jerry Rice in receiving yards and touchdowns.

"I have over eight miles of receiving yards." ([26:21])

He discusses his relentless focus on team achievement over personal records, emphasizing continuous improvement and team success as his primary motivators.

"I'm still focused on beating The Buffalo Bills right now... I've just never felt like I've made it." ([26:34])

Jason praises Travis's dedication and teamwork, celebrating his brother's impact on the field.

"There is nothing more that I love, knowing that I'm still having an impact on the field by telling Trav the story." ([15:33])

6. The Magic and Impact of Snow Games

A passionate discussion ensues about the beauty and challenge of playing football in snowy conditions. Jason reminisces about past snow games, appreciating how the weather adds a layer of unpredictability and excitement.

"I love snow. That's what it comes down to. I just like snow." ([30:42])

Travis adds that snow neutralizes speed, allowing players like him, who grew up playing hockey, to leverage their agility and toughness.

"I grew up playing hockey. I know how to even run on ice... I feel like I have the upper hand." ([48:10])

They agree that snow enhances the strategic complexity of the game, making it more engaging for both players and fans.

"Snow neutralizes speed to a certain extent." ([48:17])

7. Highlighting Key Defensive Players

The brothers commend standout defensive performances, particularly Jalen Carter of the Rams, who delivered multiple game-changing plays.

"Jalen Carter had so many huge plays... He hit just about every defensive statistic you could possibly hit." ([49:38])

Jason outlines Carter's ability to disrupt offenses, showcasing his versatility and impact on the game's outcome.

"He sets up blocks and being able to... hit the holes and speed, confidence, bulldozer, break arm tackles." ([44:07])

8. Interactive and Light-Hearted Segments

Towards the episode's conclusion, the brothers engage in playful segments, including building a single-game parlay and humorous discussions about hobby horsing—a whimsical pastime. These segments provide a relaxed finish to the intense football analysis, showcasing the Kelce brothers' dynamic camaraderie.

"After hearing you guys talk about obscure sports... I need to know if y'all consider hobby horsing a sport." ([73:14])

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Concluding Insights

Episode 121 of New Heights offers a comprehensive exploration of the current NFL landscape, blending in-depth analysis with the hosts' characteristic humor and sibling banter. Key takeaways include:

• Dominance of the Kansas City Chiefs: Their consistent performance underscores exceptional coaching and team synergy.

• Critique of CFP Expansion: While inclusivity is praised, the extended playoff duration may dilute engagement.

• NFL Season Expansion Debates: Considerations for an 18-game season highlight logistical and competitive balance concerns.

• Rule Changes Focused on Defensive Fairness: Proposed adjustments to DPI penalties aim to balance offensive and defensive play nuances.

• Player Spotlight on Travis Kelce and Saquon Barkley: Their playoff performances exemplify individual excellence contributing to team success.

• Appreciation for Snow Games: Weather-induced challenges enrich the game's strategic depth and spectator experience.

This episode serves as an invaluable resource for NFL enthusiasts seeking insider perspectives, strategic analyses, and the engaging personalities of Jason and Travis Kelce.

Transcript

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Did you guys survive the great TikTok blackout of 2025?

[Travis Kelsey]

That didn't affect me one bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Didn't even know what happened. What app being banned would actually ruin your life?

[Travis Kelsey]

Probably say like YouTube or Spotify or onedry plus or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Kelsey]

That would be a big bummer for us.

[Travis Kelsey]

That would mean I'm out of a welcome back to new heights, ladies and gentlemen, a wonder show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's New Chocolate Lava Big Cups. That's right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

God damn, those things are good.

[Jason Kelsey]

You had some?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I did. I mean, they're enormous.

[Jason Kelsey]

They're a little thicker. Kind of like the specialty Reese cups, which I like personally. The Pumpkin Reese during Halloween is my favorite. Reese Reese's. But the. The lava. What's nice about the Lava cup?

[Travis Kelsey]

What's that?

[Jason Kelsey]

The Lava isn't like a flowy lava, it's like a gooey lava. And there's a nice little texture on the bottom that I kind of enjoy so far with the with the chocolate lava big cups. There's like a little gooeyness to it that pairs well.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, we're your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is my big brother, Jason kelsey. Subscribe on YouTube laundry plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at new heights show with 1s. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up. Oh, boy.

[Jason Kelsey]

We had a great week of football that we're gonna dive into. That's right, Chief. Advanced to the seventh straight AFC title game. That's crazy. I mean, that is insane. God, you guys are good. All right. Eagles dashing through the snow in a one Saquon away over the Rams we go winning all the way.

[Travis Kelsey]

We're out of Christmas. We're out of Christmas.

[Jason Kelsey]

Eagles dashing through the snow against the Rams. We'll provide a bunch of championship Sunday discussions and more. And as always, though, we're going to get a little bit to that New news.

[Travis Kelsey]

New news.

[Jason Kelsey]

New news is brought to you by American Express. Yeah, we got to get into the college football championship. That happened this past Monday. Ohio State Buckeyes. That's right. National championship back in the Buckeye State as they are the winners of the 12 team College Football Playoff. Was the 12 team format a success? Did it go too long? I think both of those can have different answers. Did it go too long?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, yes.

[Jason Kelsey]

Too long to me. But I'm also. I just don't like the. I don't like the playoff thing being that long for college. I don't know why. Maybe I'll get used to it. But it was very hard to stay engaged through the whole College football playoff.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just go six teams.

[Jason Kelsey]

But here's the problem.

[Travis Kelsey]

Both of the teams that won it, two buys.

[Jason Kelsey]

Both of the teams that won it weren't in the top six. Right. Both of the teams that were in the championship were what, seven and eight, Right?

[Travis Kelsey]

Seven and eight. Eight and seven. All right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hey, so I. I mean, if it's a success to figure out who the best team is in football, then I think it worked because it allowed all of the big teams to compete in it. But that said, I don't like it still.

[Travis Kelsey]

Even though we're just old school kind.

[Jason Kelsey]

Of guys, probably it.

[Travis Kelsey]

We just like how it used to be. And I don't know, I'm kind of with you. But at the same time, I did enjoy all these college football games. I did enjoy watching meaningful football being played and kids out here, you know, fighting for their. Their team to go a step further in the playoffs. Be crowned champions. I did enjoy it.

[Jason Kelsey]

I will say. I can't remember a less exciting national championship though. I mean, just a complete ass kicking.

[Travis Kelsey]

You hate to see it. You hate to see it. I mean, especially between like literally the Battle of Cleveland in my book. I mean you. When you grow up in Cleveland, Ohio, you either love Notre Dame or Ohio State or both.

[Jason Kelsey]

No doubt.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was a funny feeling at least going into it for me. On top of that Freeman being a X. Ohio State. Buckeye. Yep.

[Jason Kelsey]

Cincinnati Bearcat coach. Right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Yeah. So he was there when. Since he went to the college football playoffs themselves.

[Jason Kelsey]

You know, Ryan Day was with me in Philadelphia for one of Chip Kelly seasons. And now Chip Kelly is the OC for Ryan Day at Ohio State.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did not know that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Wow.

[Travis Kelsey]

So Chip Kelly got a.

[Jason Kelsey]

Got a national championship. That's right.

[Travis Kelsey]

He went to the. I was at the. Damn. I didn't even realize. This is why I got to watch more tv. Well, shout out to Chip Kelly. Getting himself a ring. And shout out to Ohio State Buckeyes, man. I got a bunch of. A bunch of friends that were super stoked that Ohio State went for the field goal at the end to make sure they covered the spread. And something that the Chiefs did not elect to do in the game against the Houston Texas this past week.

[Jason Kelsey]

That is always. That is one of the things, man, with the like the sports gambling that dude. These end of game scenarios where it's.

[Travis Kelsey]

The right thing to do and then so crazy. We had a legit bad beat like SVP and in Stanford, Steve always love to do those bad beats, man. That is as bad of a beat as you can think of a safety with 40 seconds left in the game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Just.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just to go to the other side of the spread, dude. Hilarious.

[Jason Kelsey]

I had big wit in the suite for the Eagles versus Packers and when Saquon slid, missed his bet. He would have gone over or whatever. I don't even know what was it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, whatever parlay or whatever it was.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, but it just like you could see it just like just crushing.

[Travis Kelsey]

And it's so sick how Vegas always knows. They always know it's right. It's going to be this way or that way at the end. Ohio State goes up three fucking touchdowns or whatever it was and all of a sudden it's that right at the end of the game, it's right at 8 to like 10 points. Are you kidding me? It's right in between those two numbers. Either way, it's absolutely hysterical.

[Jason Kelsey]

The NFL scripted, you know that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, that's why you got to give him a story to write, man. Got to give him a good story to write. You had Roger on last week talking about it.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, Shout out to the buck, guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Speaking of Roger Goodell on late night. Yeah, Jason, you had our. You had our big dog. Roger Goodell, a friend of the show on. They call it late night.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. Every NFL player's dad.

[Travis Kelsey]

He all but confirmed the NFL will move to an 18 game in season.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think he can technically confirm it because I think it has to be voted on by the owners. But I think everybody know. I mean, everybody knows this is where it's headed. 17 games doesn't make sense. There's like more away games than home games some year for some teams, I think that the 18 game season was a foregone conclusion when they went to 17. They went to 17 to see how it felt.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, we did get some rule updates. Roger still out on including hockey fights, which. Big bummer over here, But Ochocinko wants DPI to be 15 yards instead of a spot foul.

[Jason Kelsey]

First of all, I love that Ochocinko is trying to make the game more fair for defensive players because it feels like that's the complete opposite direction. As a receiver, I would not expect him to say something like this.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

But I wonder if there's a way to have DPI similar to face masks, where depending on how overly egregious the DPI is, it's a 15 yarder or it's a spot foul. Like if you straight up tackle a guy that should be put at the spot like you, that's bull crap. But if you're just like hand fighting and it kind of happens like in the play, I kind of feel like that should be 15 yards. Does that make sense?

[Travis Kelsey]

I hear what you're saying. I think it's.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think it would be impossible to.

[Travis Kelsey]

Find the way it is. I think all of this is fine the way it is.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, fair enough.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think defensive holding is only 5 yards. That's kind of like where it balances out. Offensive holding is 10.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, we gotta get rid of offensive holding. Just in general, the defense can hold.

[Travis Kelsey]

Psycho. You're insane. Bo Allen wants hitting the crossbar on a field goal to be worth four points. Doink is actually good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Very out on this rule.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I don't know where Bo was going with this, but it was good to see him in the suite after the game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Honey Bobo.

[Jason Kelsey]

Honey Bobo.

[Travis Kelsey]

Miss my guy, man, it's Always fun watching him on the late night, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's. He's brought a lot of energy and.

[Travis Kelsey]

Juice to it, as he always does. Shout out to Goodell and everybody. And you guys, always killing it. Can't wait to see this week, brother. You wanna. You wanna pump it? You got any good? You got any good Guess this week or.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got Ryan Clark.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hey, nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got Jameis Winston.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

Famous Jamis.

[Jason Kelsey]

And then we got my man, Jim Gaffigan.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jim Gaffigan.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes. Are you kidding me? I'm excited for all three.

[Travis Kelsey]

Awesome. Dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

You know he played offensive line, I believe, in college.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, God damn it makes sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

A lot of the offensive linemen are some of the funniest. I know, dude, he is.

[Jason Kelsey]

And he's right up there with one of the funniest dudes I've ever heard. Yeah, I've been a fan for a long time. Are you getting a pre show speech from Jamis? I don't know, Brandon. I'm trying to. We haven't figured out the full gambit of the content, but we got some good. We got some fun things lined up.

[Travis Kelsey]

You always do. But he sure does get the people going when he does that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Something else that got the people going was Tick Tock being banned for 15 hours. That's right. You would have thought all of the Internet lost their mind. Did you guys survive the great Tick Tock Tick tock blackout of 2025? Didn't even know what happened. I'm not on TikTok.

[Travis Kelsey]

Knew it happened. Didn't give two shits about it. Shout out to everybody on TikTok that needs it to make money and does a great job of, you know, promoting themselves or their business on there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

But that didn't affect me one bit. I'm an Instagram Twitter guy. I don't know. It is what it is. I got off Facebook a long time ago and haven't looked back.

[Jason Kelsey]

Facebook?

[Travis Kelsey]

What?

[Jason Kelsey]

What happened? How did Facebook go the route of MySpace? What happened to that?

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, they let all the old people on. They let our parents get on and our parents, you know, pretty true. Started telling everybody how they felt.

[Jason Kelsey]

They would have just kept it a college kids. You have to have the college URL. That's how you first had to. Had to get on.

[Travis Kelsey]

You got to add to have the. The college email.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

That was the only time I ever used it. I never used it.

[Jason Kelsey]

I used my college email for a good 10 years after leaving University of Cincinnati and then found out that it was not Working anymore.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I think they. They move on.

[Jason Kelsey]

They cut me off.

[Travis Kelsey]

I didn't know how to log in.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, that's a problem.

[Travis Kelsey]

That is. That is a problem. Unless you let it work for you instead of against you. Although it did work against me when class was canceled and I just showed up to class for no reason. Shout out to. Shout out to TikTok.

[Jason Kelsey]

What app being banned would actually ruin your life?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know that any of them say, probably maps. I probably say, like YouTube or Spotify or Wondry plus or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Kelsey]

That would be a big bummer for us. That would really suck.

[Travis Kelsey]

That would mean I'm out of a job. All right, that's it for new news, brought to you by American Express.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, let's move on to some bold topics to wrap up the divisional round of the NFL playoffs, starting with Chiefs 23, Texans 14. Triumph. How does it feel to be going into your seventh straight AFC title game?

[Travis Kelsey]

It feels good, man. One game and you get. One game and you get the puncher ticket into the super bowl, man. It's.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's right there.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's one of those scenarios you dream about in the beginning of the season to be able to do this, and we've been fortunate enough to do this for seven straight years. I've had a heartbreak. I've had a triumph. I've. I've won and lost this game multiple times. So it's. I know exactly how to attack this thing, and you just got to attack it a day by day and not peak too soon and. And, you know, circle the wagons, baby. It's going to be a tough one against the Buffalo Bills.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't think people realize how fucking crazy this is. Seven straight times you have been one of the top two teams in the afc. It's just mind blowing that this has happened this much. And it's a testament to you guys, obviously. Is it just expected you're going to go to the AFC championship?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I mean, I put that. I put that on myself every single year.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's either that or I'm a failure.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nothing in between.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, that's a hell of a way to live your life. It's working out so far, and it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Has nothing to do with. I don't care if I'm the MVP of the league, which I'll never be or which I've never been up for. But it doesn't matter what you do individually. It's all about what the. What your team does at the end of the day.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't care if I'm the rushing league title, like, if I'm the rushing yardage champion.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's all about what your team does. And in Kansas City, we set those expectations for ourselves.

[Jason Kelsey]

This game was also Andy Reid's 300th career win.

[Travis Kelsey]

Big Red.

[Jason Kelsey]

How about that?

[Travis Kelsey]

You hear what he said?

[Jason Kelsey]

What do you say?

[Travis Kelsey]

He said we get a few more actually match my weight.

[Jason Kelsey]

I wonder how many more.

[Travis Kelsey]

So I'm here to get him a few more and match his weight.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's got a little bit skinny. I think he's under 300 now, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes. He looks great. He does look great. I have no idea how much he weighs. No. But I thought it was a pretty good bit that everybody should hear, because Andy Reid, even though he's one of the greatest coaches ever in 300 career wins, is absolutely insane. He still finds a way to brush it off and have fun with it. That's why I love the guy, and.

[Jason Kelsey]

He'S the greatest playoff yeti. Let's get to the real thing. You wore the right cleats again, and you finished with seven catches for 117 yards.

[Travis Kelsey]

I warmed this for you just so you could.

[Jason Kelsey]

I know.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just so you could thrive.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right now, there is nothing more that I love, knowing that I'm still having an impact on the field by telling Trav the story.

[Travis Kelsey]

That red dye baby makes me look way faster, doesn't it? Dude, you got to get so much quick. I can really outrun everyone. Can I get those new ones?

[Jason Kelsey]

It's not so much speed as it is the. The. The. All right. Anyways, so why did the playoffs bring the best out of the yeti?

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, I would. I wish it was just a switch that I could say that's it's time to go, and I'm ready to play. That's not what it is. It's. Throughout the year, we try and play our best every single week. Every single play. I'm trying to. I'm trying my hardest. I'm doing everything I can to help my team win throughout the week and over the course of a season. I think that we have a method and a formula from coach Reed that we just gradually get better as the season goes on. And when we go into the playoffs, we're playing our best football. At least that's the effort. That's the focus. That's the determined, like, mindset to be able to play your best at the end of the season.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, every. It's everybody on the same page. Everybody you know, doing their part and when the ball's in our hands, we make plays when, when we're called upon. And I was fortunate that I had seven to eight chances to, to make a play. I failed on one and had a ball slapped out of my hand early on. And, and you know, from that point on I felt like I could get a rhythm and get going here, but at the same time, it's, it's just football, baby. There's never a time where I'm, you know, holding back and I gotta, I just, I gotta make sure I keep some things in my back pocket. It's not that it's. I'm always competing my ass off, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I think I also, you guys had 23 days off from your last game. At least the starters did most of them.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, some, some of that helps. Some of that helps. At the end of the day, it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hurts you guys a little bit. I feel like offensively your guys timing was off the first like two or three drives. You ran some plays that felt like, oh, there's a little bit of rustiness there. But I feel like with, for guys like you, for guys that have been in the league for a long time, I know, I always appreciated the rest.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hell yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

You know what I mean? Like, it means more for the older guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what you're playing your ass off in the regular season for, is to get that rest going into a stretch and, and being able to get that one seed or being able to get a playoff berth under your belt so that you can maybe miss that last game, you know, whatever, whatever the situation is, you try your ass off throughout the year to get that opportunity and get the honor of being able to kind of, you know, take those weeks to get healthy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's watch this touchdown catch you had because I just, the styling and profiling by it was awesome as well. Go pat up.

[Travis Kelsey]

Patty Mahomes pushes the pocket, has the strength to fight off a 300 pound man while throwing an absolute dart in the back of the end zone.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why you got to look at Shair like this?

[Travis Kelsey]

I, I listen, I'm just in the moment. I, I got a lot.

[Jason Kelsey]

There's something personal there. There is something personal there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Personal there. Stop doing that. I don't, I don't have vendettas against people for no reason. He's never done anything to me. He's a great competitor.

[Jason Kelsey]

He is a great competitor.

[Travis Kelsey]

And all that is, is just me having fun playing football, dog. And sometimes, you know, in the playoffs you play with a Little bit more emotion, a little bit more aggression and. And a little bit more swagger. And I, I went on Stephen A's show last week and told everybody if I got in there, I swag it out. And sure enough, this is just how I did it, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, you also had this catch for 49 yards.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that was the first catch I had. This one was just making.

[Jason Kelsey]

Come on, look at them red shoes. Come on now. Oh, yeah, red shoes.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Yeah, the red shoes really helped me when Zaire went for the strip. Yeah, I mean, it's. You play a little bit better when nobody's guarding you. And that's the beauty of the NFL.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's always good. They went with a blitz on this, right? Is that where my Pat's.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, they went with a nickel blitz. They nickel blitz on top of that. When they rush five less defenders on the back end. You got two guys running with the flat, nobody over the middle of the field, and you just run and replace. Pat was right there in sync with me. It's a day one install play so you can play really fast. That's why. That's why coach loves dialing up those things and good football, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Big play, big play. The whole world was talking about something else during the game and I'm sure you saw some of this. But they were complaining about the refs again, Trav. Even Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne. I hate the cheating ass Chiefs. He's going ass with 2Z.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out to Duncy man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Colin Saunders had a rebuttal. He said literally, folks will see like this and say, yep, just like I thought. Refs versus the Texans, bro. The Texans left the all time leading playoffs receiver wide booty butt naked open for four quarters just here and yet.

[Travis Kelsey]

Say that and yet.

[Jason Kelsey]

The Chiefs needed those calls.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why booty button naked open. They did. They left me butt naked open.

[Jason Kelsey]

And I forgot to mention them boys at eight sacks. Eight. CJ couldn't even scratch his ass for a good second before he was getting sacked. We need to get Colin on the podcast. This guy's fucking hilarious.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, man. As you know, the D line and O line rooms in the NFL that it's the pure comedy shout out to sir bank.

[Jason Kelsey]

And you guys were getting after. See, I mean, CJ's offensive line wasn't great all year. That was the big thing that was kind of holding them back. He was getting hit quite a bit all season, but the Chiefs got after him a bit extra hard. 14 quarterback hits nine tackles for loss. George. One blocked field goal again.

[Travis Kelsey]

Leo Chanel what do you think about.

[Jason Kelsey]

The 2 ref in the pastor calls?

[Travis Kelsey]

I'd like to plead the fifth.

[Jason Kelsey]

Can I can comment on it though, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

Of course.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think the second one was completely just like, absolutely ridiculous, right? I mean, he didn't even get touched. I don't know how they just missed it.

[Travis Kelsey]

He definitely got touched.

[Jason Kelsey]

I could see what they saw, but I don't think it was really that much forcible contact to his head. I think it was like. It looked like it was, but it didn't look like it was in slow motion. It was that much, but I understand why they called it. Just thought it was a bad call. Let's talk about pregame fits. Trav, you went with the shorts, and it was. I mean, that wind was cold pre game fit.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're talking about the walk in or, like, when I was warming up, that was cold as there was not. The sun was out. And regardless, it's like, I got a hat on. I'm keeping the wind off my ears. My legs don't get cold because I'm a hairy son of a bitch, bro.

[Jason Kelsey]

That wind. I don't care what you say. That wind was gusting and it was a blowing and it was a chiller.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, you got to understand, I'm going out there. When I do these warmups, I'm going out there for 10 minutes max. Like, I'm going out there to gauge it. Like, if it's. If it's super snowy or super, like, rainy and super cold. Like, I might throw a hoodie on just to, like, get the sweat going. But for the most part, I. I really don't care what the weather is in warm ups. That being said, I didn't put anything else on for the game, but whatever it is, I mean, the cold is the cold. I'm. I'm gonna find a way to stay warm on the sidelines, whether I got a jacket or I'm sitting on the heaters or I'm running up and down the sideline to keep the blood flow going in the body loose. Like, I'm gonna do what I have to do. I'm not worried about what the weather is and how I'm going, how it's going to affect how I play. I just go out there and play my game.

[Jason Kelsey]

I felt the same way when I used to play. I didn't really get cold. But I'll tell you this, being an analyst on the sideline, it was. It was cold. Especially when you sit down and your pants roll up and your ankles are exposed.

[Travis Kelsey]

Got to get some socks. We got some longer socks.

[Jason Kelsey]

Actually had. I had. I had wool socks and I had boots on, but that area in between the pant leg, it still rolled up on me. That was cold. It's cool.

[Travis Kelsey]

Got to get your tailor work on that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know what to say.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, Jason, we got a good one from Ron Rodney Lacroix, I think that's how you say that name. Jason looks like the guy you hire to get possum out of your attic. Which I thought was absolutely hilarious because outside of like the. The. What do you call it? The. The jacket and the hat, like, coordination, it's the yellow gloves that give you. This guy can just round up some. Some rodents.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, I went with the yellow gloves because a lot of times, Trav, you'll go with the yellow gloves. But you. You didn't do that on this one.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can't. You got to know if you're calling me out for going. And I got to go red. Cleese. I've got to go red gloves. I can't just. Oh, be out here. You want me to go yellow cleats this week?

[Jason Kelsey]

Go yellow, but go with that kind of yellow. Not like the. The other kind of yellow.

[Travis Kelsey]

What?

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't do like the. The other Jordan yellow. I don't know how to show the cleat that I'm talking about.

[Travis Kelsey]

I only have one cleat. Yellow cleat.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't go with this kind of, like, color. It's got to be full. It's got to be full.

[Travis Kelsey]

Full yellow. All right, got it. I don't even know. I mean, showed me, but I hear you saying full yellow. I got it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

All yellow. Yeah, on it.

[Jason Kelsey]

But also maybe just keep wearing the red ones because they're working and I don't know what the yellow does.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, player makes shoes. Shoes don't make the player.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Tell that to your feet when they start fucking hurting and they don't work very well. I had to go back into this old ass cleat for the last four years of my career.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's because you were in Under Armour, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, I went. I was in Nike. Then I went to an armor. Then I went back to Nike and then Nike made these awful cleat. The bottom of the new Nikes is just so terrible. And so I went back to an old Nike cleat and I tried the Jordans, but they were too soft. It was like running in sand. So I went back to the old, like, Nike cleats and then I Got my acceleration back.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice shout out to Nike.

[Jason Kelsey]

Did you meet the Rizzler?

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you meet the Rizzler?

[Jason Kelsey]

Did I meet him? I didn't meet him. Who's the Rizzler?

[Travis Kelsey]

There you go. He didn't meet him, folks.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is that the Rizzler? This kid?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, the kid, yeah. Yeah, he's big on tick tock, I think.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

Tick tock went down, so he had to show up at the game.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's huge.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out to the wrestler, man. He's just. He's just a young, chubby kid, man, just like me. Just a sports fanatic.

[Jason Kelsey]

LeBron stats. Travis Kelsey's 14th straight playoff game with 70 plus receiving yards. That is the longest streak in NFL history. The second longest streak in the anniversary is 7. The second longest active streak is 2. In other words, Travis Kelsey is killing the postseason. Great LeBron step.

[Travis Kelsey]

There you go. 70 yards. Chris Burman, the swami himself, he, he interviewed me before this one and told me that including my playoff yardage, I have over eight miles of receiving yards.

[Jason Kelsey]

Eight miles.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's pretty cool.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's pretty damn. Pretty damn awesome.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's insane.

[Jason Kelsey]

How does it feel be right behind Jerry Rice, the only players with 2,000 plus receiving yards and 20 plus receiving touchdowns in the postseason? Postseason.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, I'm. I'm right there with them at this point, and it's a pretty goddamn cool feeling. That being said, for whatever reason, man, you know, you set these goals and these, like, statistical accolades that you want us, that you want to meet when you first get into the league, you're just like, man, I want to be in the conversations with the greatest ever and the most yards and the most touchdowns and all the guys that you look at that are at the top of that list, like, you feel like, like, that's what's going to make me satisfied, and that's what's going to make me feel like I've done it. Yeah, while you're in it, I just, I'm just not satisfied with, you know, what I'm doing. I feel like I have this mentality and this, this mindset, week in, week out, year in, year out, to just be better than what I was the previous day.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, I think all these stats and accolades and everything, they'll, they'll be cool when I'm. When I'm done playing, I'll be able to look back on everything and say, nice, man. That was what I edged in the, in history. And right now I'm just, I'm so focused on beating The Buffalo Bills right now, man, that I. Hell yeah, I could really care less about passing any of Jerry Rice's records and. And, you know, shout out to Jerry Rice. I'm not saying that because, you know, Jerry's a man downplaying that, you know, he's the goat. And even if I past his records, I'm still going to consider him the greatest to ever do it, you know? Like what? Like, it's. It just is how I. It's how I feel about these kind of things. Of just never being satisfied, man. And as I look over the course of my career, I've just never felt like that. I've never felt that I've made it feeling. It's always just been, what can I do better? What can I do next? And what I can do next is, you know, win another AFC championship.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, no, I get it. And you're focused on team goals, and you guys are one game away from going to your another consecutive Super Bowl. There was somebody that cared about the LeBron stats, and that was LeBron. LeBron James tweeted Kelsey. Yeah, congrats, brother.

[Travis Kelsey]

This got me going. This is sweet.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, right? Sometimes this is why the LeBron SATs matters. And LeBron tweets about you. Congrats, brother. NFL record for most 100 yards receiving in the playoffs. Nine games. Bada boom fire. NBA J. Three of them. And a salute. Oh, you got a salute?

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

It sure does. Travis, when do you like to enjoy Reese's chocolava big cups while watching tv, a movie, end of the day.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I'll eat them probably. When I'm probably eating them. Watching a movie, maybe on a. On a long car ride, I like to stop at a gas station.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's what I think. There's nothing better than a re see in a car on a long road.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

We're not in it. So how's it? Epic if we're not.

[Travis Kelsey]

They're keeping it under wraps though. But word is there's something about lava and volcanoes.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my. I'm very excited. Did they just throw a Reese into a volcano?

[Travis Kelsey]

Sounds like a science fair meets Willy Wonka.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Jason, we're almost done with the NFL season. Any fun travel plans you're looking forward to once it's all over?

[Jason Kelsey]

Callie and I have been talking about going to Turks and Caicos for a long time. I heard the water is really nice down there. Seems like it's a pretty good environment. Yeah, I wouldn't mind doing a ski trip. We haven't really done that with the girls. I know that. I think Wyatt might be into it. Plus, I want to go skiing.

[Travis Kelsey]

Last time we met, man, every time is just like, so much the best.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love snow. That's what it comes down to. I just like snow.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I just. I love the mountains. I love snow. I love going fast speeds.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Travis Kelsey]

And risking my life.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Like you know to check if you've packed your good possum catching hat before going to the pregame show at Arrowhead.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Thank you, brother. Eagles 28, Rams 22. Moving on to a little snow game in Philly. Jason, you were at this magical snow globe.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was.

[Travis Kelsey]

How? I was talking to you earlier about it. You said it kind of reminded you of the 2013 game you had a little bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, the 2013 game was snowing from the get go. What was unique about this one is if you go back and watch the first half, there's like not a fucking fleck of snow. It all just like started coming down randomly.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

And then by the time it's the third and fourth quarter, it's a full on goddamn blizzard. Like it was crazy. It was cool. And the Eagles have already, I think, maybe even said publicly, at least it's being alluded to, that they want to go to a retractable dome because they want to be able to like, host Super Bowls. They want to be able to have events year round in the next stadium they build. And I just am so much against the dome. Like, I think that snow, rain, that's one of the things I love about football, is that the elements play a factor and they played a factor in this game. So I thought it was awesome. I love snow games. I was also in a box, so I didn't really have to deal with any of it, but it was awesome to watch from outside the window. Highly big fan of the snow game.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, the irony about the 2013 game in this game was that the Eagles were playing Matthew Stafford in both games, right?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right.

[Travis Kelsey]

And the Eagles came out on top in both games. Shout out to Matty Stafford, man. Our guy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hell yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Fellow friend and man, what a fucking competitor that guy is. Are snow games the best type of football game, though?

[Jason Kelsey]

I think so. I think snow is. It just makes everything magical. It has this way of putting everything, especially when you're playing in it, but also as a spectator. Like, I don't know, it just, it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Does just make it more dramatic and just more like just a fun atmosphere, doesn't it? I mean, we played Buffalo up in Buffalo and it was snowy and we're getting pegged with snowballs at the end of it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And I just, I There was something about, I don't think if it's as snowy as it was and you know, built up, like, excitement for the fans going in there, paying, getting paid $20 an hour just to, you know, clear out the snow. I think it makes such a cool element for certain stadiums and certain, like, teams that I. I think it has to be like, the best, like, atmosphere to play in. It's the only one that kind of uplifts everybody if it's the right amount of snow, I guess.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. It just has this way about it where it just feels like it's almost like whimsical and like, it's awesome. I love snow games. Always.

[Travis Kelsey]

Where did you get this? What is this? This road? This like poncho. Is that so we were blanket material, though. That's not poncho material.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, it's poncho. I got it in la. It's definitely not NFL licensed because it was from a guy named Chang on Venice Beach Boardwalk. I'm not even making this up, bro. We had a whole bit for the late night show that we ended up not doing because of the fires that are out in la. It didn't feel right anymore. The comedy behind it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

But I ended up making friends with one of the shop owners down there on Venice Beach.

[Travis Kelsey]

And this was what he had for you?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, he scammed me into paying $100 for this poncho. Yes.

[Travis Kelsey]

A hundred dollars.

[Jason Kelsey]

I knew it was wrong, but I'm like, I gotta support Chang. You know, I knew there's no chance. But you know what? This guy's out here trying to scam people, make a living. I get it.

[Travis Kelsey]

It.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. So I did it. Whatever.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. You're a good guy. That's all I saw in there. You didn't get scammed. You knew exactly what you were buying.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, he tried to scam me. I didn't knew, I just went along with it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that's not getting scammed. I just want. You just wanted to help a guy out.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's true.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's nothing scammy about that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, his. He was scamming. I wasn't scamming.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, he was scamming. Or he just knew that he could hit you at the right spot.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, there's nothing. He's like, there's a big whale over here. He's got a big old pocketbook.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. And yeah, I can hit him where it hurts.

[Jason Kelsey]

I bought three other ones for $100 and then I had people sign them and then I sold those for $200.

[Travis Kelsey]

And that's. That's how you didn't get scammed.

[Jason Kelsey]

I became the scammer and then I took the money back. I told them I took the money back to Chang one day. That video surface, it was going to be epic.

[Travis Kelsey]

So good. The biggest combo going on in the game was Rams rookie Jared Verse talking that. And, I mean, he was backing it up. He was back and he was having a. He was having himself a hell of a game. But after every single play he made, he made sure that the Eagles fans saw him and heard him as he was running to the sidelines. But a pregame quote, though. I hate Eagles fans. They're so annoying. I hate Eagles fans. When I see that green and white, I hate it. I actually get upset. I actually genuinely get hot. I get. And being him. Being hot is like him being furious.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. He's from like an hour or two north of Philly. I think at least that's where he went to high school.

[Travis Kelsey]

So he gets it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Just embracing it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Listen, he played pretty dang good for being honest.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, he backed it up.

[Jason Kelsey]

Their D line played better than I thought they would. I mean, I think the Eagles offensive line is very good. They have a good D line as well in with the Rams, but I thought that the Eagles O line was really going to block them pretty handily because of how good they are. And that was a good matchup all game long. I mean, they. They brought the heat. They ran games well. They.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, I think the rookie getting banged up, I think about slowed him down. Yeah. And, man, that dude is good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. And he. And Fisk runs a lot of the games really well. He's got a knack for running those TEs and everything. He sets things up for other guys, so he's a big part of what they do up front.

[Travis Kelsey]

I will say this, though. Being a Chiefs player my entire life, going to your games, I've gotten some fun banter with the course. I think. I think Eagles fans get it. I think they. They know they want to make. They. They. They arguably do love it. Like, they love. They love. They want somebody to come in and talk shit to them.

[Jason Kelsey]

For sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

They want it to be a rowdy and like, almost like a. Like a fight mentality. Like, I hate you, you hate us.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, let's do.

[Jason Kelsey]

We're gonna talk. But then there's also, like, kind of like, at the end of the day.

[Travis Kelsey]

There'S a respect at the end kind.

[Jason Kelsey]

Of respect that a little bit being a. But you.

[Travis Kelsey]

Exactly. I think There is, there is a little bit of that. So the Eagles putting it on the jumbotron before the game.

[Jason Kelsey]

I didn't see that.

[Travis Kelsey]

I saw that. I thought that was pretty clever. Make sure the, the Eagles knew that that was.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hey, in case you missed this.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Kelsey]

That guy said this before the game.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yep. But I think, I think I've learned to appreciate the Eagles fans for that. And I've also been lucky that my brother is one of the best Eagles to ever play the game. So that makes them kind of appreciate my family a little bit more. So we have more of a mutual respect for each other. But yeah, Eagles fans, they. They want you to. They want you to do this kind of stuff. And I think, I don't know, maybe. Maybe Jared knew that coming in because he was. Grew up not too far away.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, he, I think he did know because he said this after the game. He said after the game. I was walking the locker room. They were throwing snowballs at me. They bleed green and white. I like that. They stand on it. They don't shy away from it. My phone was blowing up the last two or three days. All I was seeing was, yeah, we embrace it. We love that. And I'm like, okay, I got it. So I think he grew up on the east coast. He knows what the deal is. This is just kind of the way it works. I loved every second of it. And clearly, I mean, it got the most out of him. I thought he played pretty damn well.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Really? The Rams in general played pretty well. I thought the, the elements affected them quite a bit. And the other guy that played really well was Saquon.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's talk Saquon. Then finished with 26 carries, 205 and a touchdown. Broke off TD runs a 62 and 78. God damn. The guy's just absolutely taken over every game he's in. He seems to be unstoppable and a force that you just gotta weather and you can't, you can't stop this thing. Let's, let's see both of these clips though. I want to see both of these to the house. I mean, speed kills, especially in the snow. Looks like this is the 62 yard.

[Jason Kelsey]

Of this first one.

[Travis Kelsey]

Very similar to the, to the in season touchdown that he had against him.

[Jason Kelsey]

Interesting is that you go back to the start of this. Both of these plays, I believe are inside zones that hit front side. Typically that play has a tendency to roll behind it. Yeah, good job by Cam. God, that was a great block.

[Travis Kelsey]

Technically hit the hidden. The A gap so it hit where you think it would.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, but I mean, normally it rolls behind the center.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. It stays on that hash.

[Jason Kelsey]

Actually, that might not to the alley. That was a strong side. Inside zone.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Great kick out block by my guy, Dallas Goddard. Was that even.

[Jason Kelsey]

Inside zone. Go back to this. Let me see this guy's.

[Travis Kelsey]

Who gives this. It's 100. Inside zone, right? Yes. Outside zone. The running back takes three steps past the midline. Come on, Jason, you know this. God damn it. I'm doing this today. A day long. The second clip, though, came at one of the most crucial points in the fucking game. Fourth quarter, five minutes to go. Now, this is an inside zone.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is inside split zone. The tight ends whacking back. Landon Dickerson does a phenomenal job. They're going out to this overhang player. He bangs the guy that he thinks he's going to end up blocking out on top of the tackle as that outside backer folds back in and then tracks him on the front side of this. And then Cam Juergens has a huge block as well.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I was about to say what. What screws that kind of stuff up is. I mean, very similar. Just hand the ball off and let him just find the crease.

[Jason Kelsey]

He just has a knack for finding his way on these plays. He really does.

[Travis Kelsey]

What I like about this, though, is that Jordan Malata kind of hangs in there. He doesn't get too much depth.

[Jason Kelsey]

He could have very easily got thinned out right there.

[Travis Kelsey]

And two guys are blocking.

[Jason Kelsey]

One we would stat would call that asparagus. When all of a sudden the outside guy kind of folds in behind. Like. It's not like a design game. He just kind of like, flows naturally in behind the other D tackle.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why are we calling it asparagus?

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know. Because he didn't know what to call it. I think is literally why he called it asparagus. I don't know what to call this. Call it asparagus. So then he just called it asparagus.

[Travis Kelsey]

Make it make sense. It's asparagus because that's what we call it.

[Jason Kelsey]

But Landon does such a great job of knocking that out, tracking his guy, blocking. I mean, he blocked him near three people in that play. And then Cam Juergens has the hard job held up with the nose, and he just does a fantastic job. And this thing goes for a big one. This was kind of the game ceiling run. Not kind of. It was.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, you say it was the game ceiling run, but the Rams definitely had a chance.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, they had an opportunity. They did.

[Travis Kelsey]

They definitely had a chance and he got.

[Jason Kelsey]

It wasn't the game sale. They had a. They had an opportunity at the end.

[Travis Kelsey]

Huge momentum booster, though.

[Jason Kelsey]

Huge run. Saquon, obviously. Another unbelievable game against the Rams.

[Travis Kelsey]

200 plus yards, man. This guy's running for 200 plus in the playoffs. Holy shit. Do we know that's the guy we need to stop? Are we, Are we, Are we locked into our IDs?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

We playing our gaps. Easier said than done. Obviously with that type of offensive line, tight ends, the way the, the wide receivers are in there in the run game, how they, how you. How the Eagles spread everybody out with the RPOs. And then on top of that, the way Saquon can just set up blocks and absolutely knife the defense and hit the holes and speed, confidence, bulldozer, break arm tackles. I mean he's got, he's. He's been doing it all and he's playing confident, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think there's such an underrated part of his game is setting blocks and being able to. His vision. I'm telling you, I don't. We didn't. We never got a chance to witness it with the Giants because the line just wasn't that capable, to be honest with you.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, they were dealing with injuries. It felt like every single fucking year, I guess.

[Jason Kelsey]

But I'm just letting you like him behind this offensive line and watching him able to manipulate blocks, hit plays front side that I didn't think were like, nobody I've seen do that. Like there was the same side run. I bring it up all the time where he gets in, then he gets back out. He's just got an insane feel for the game.

[Travis Kelsey]

You want to be good at running back, Figure out how the linemen are taught to block this play. Yeah, don't just go out there and just be like, give me the ball and I'm going to just run through the A gap or the B gap, figure out how guys are being blocked and how. And how the scheme is. Is like supposed to be when.

[Jason Kelsey]

I also, like, I've never talked to this with him, but I feel like the best backs I'm. I've played with similar to the way you play tight end. Like you have like your first read and your second read when you're running a play, but I feel like you do that kind of when you're practicing when you're in the game. I feel like a lot of it is just like natural feel for how the game's being played and what is Happening in front of you, you're not so narrowed in. There's so many guys I play, I run outside zone with where like they run to the first read. It's like, brother, there's a cutback lane like two steps ago, why didn't you just hit that? You know what I mean? And it feels like he's just got that. He's got that ability to see it. And I wonder if he's just like doing that all on instinct and natural ability in the game as opposed to, like, I don't know, does that make sense?

[Travis Kelsey]

No. 100%. Yeah. You got to have a feel for the game, understand the structure in the scheme, but you still have to have a feel for the game and then be able to go out there and. And just play ball, man. Yeah, and. And that's what he's doing right now, man. He's playing the. The best ball of anybody right now at the running back position as an O line. What is it like when, you know you're blocking for a guy who can break it at any time?

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know that I. I mean, yeah, I mean, I play with some really good backs. Ryan Matthews was an underrated back, obviously, the Sean McCoy, the best one.

[Travis Kelsey]

I played with Fresno, Darren Sprouls.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, I play with some big play ability, guys, and to me, I don't think you really ever are blocking. Thinking about that big play now, it might be different because the Saquon's had so many of them this year, but I was always just like, hey, just block it to the whistle. And then you just knew. And when you had a big play like that, it was such a momentum shift. Like, it's just like a. It is a huge, huge, just like great feeling for the entire unit. And then you just get to go walk off to the sideline and you're like, yeah, that's fun. Let's go do that again. Yeah, I'll do that as many times as I want. I don't gotta grind out a 15 play drive. Yeah, let's just have those big ones. That's fun.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shady McCoy tweeted out, My boy going for 200 yards again.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

As he added Saquon, I mean, he just knew. He knew what kind of day it was going to be. And that Saquon is just in the zone right now.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, and you know this, Trav. But the snow is to the benefit, in my opinion, at least to the running game, because the defensive line is the ones that have to make a play. They're the ones that have to go out of their way to beat an offensive player. We get to sit on double teams. We get to just plod forward. The defensive guys have to be the ones that cut and make a play where Saquon. If he just hits something 100 miles an hour, a guy to try and go, like, regain his footing. Get over there. Tackle. Like. I always feel like whenever it's raining or snow, the run game is going to be more impactful in the outcome of the game.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think I'm. If it's a snow game, I'm going.

[Jason Kelsey]

To have a big game as a pass catcher.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

So maybe. Oh, why do you think that?

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, one. Because Pat Mahomes can sling that ball to anything. It doesn't matter if it's rain, sleet, or snow. But also, I'm heavier than the dbs, which means my feet are going into the ground more, which means it's not so much ice for me as. And on top of that, I grew up playing hockey. I know how to even run on ice.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

So I feel like I have the upper hand.

[Jason Kelsey]

She just have a more acclimatized.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can move. I. Yeah. Just a more acclimatized game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Snow neutralizes speed to a certain extent.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, baby. That's all I need. Everybody just come on. Slow down just a little bit for me, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Come on down to this. We used to play Yukon, and the Yukon used to grow their grass out longer. Just slow the game down and make you play their freaking power football.

[Travis Kelsey]

Bears do it the fucking.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Green Bay does it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Smart.

[Travis Kelsey]

Smart. If you don't have fast guys.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. If you have fast guys, make that attract me. All right. Anyway, shout out to saquon and LaShawn McCoy for being the best snow running backs I've ever seen.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, it wasn't just. Yeah. It wasn't just the offense. That was. That was firing, man. Jalen Carter, bro. Arguably the best game of his career. Maybe five tackles, three QB hits, two sacks, pbu force fumble. I mean, what else is the. That's a stat stuffer right there. You hit just about every defense outside of an interception in a fumble recovery. He hit just about every defensive statistic you could possibly hit.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was insane. I mean, he. And he made all of these huge plays in really important parts of it. The force fumble, the sack, obviously, on the third and two right before the last play of the game for the Rams.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, he had so many huge plays. Yeah. I don't know which one you would kind of narrow it down to. But I think it was. Nobody impacted the game more probably on either team than Jalen Carter.

[Travis Kelsey]

Straight up.

[Jason Kelsey]

Outside of maybe Saquon.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, I'm with you. The second, third and two at the end of the game, it's like me sitting in the middle of the fucking field wide open. You got to block the biggest guy on the fucking field, guys. And you would rather have two on them than. Than none.

[Jason Kelsey]

So he kept doing this like, he kept slanting down inside. How was the game plan with the game on the. On the line? Not the double Jalen Carter. I don't know how. That's not the game plan.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, dude, I get it, man. Football is a hard game, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, I'm happy about it, but.

[Travis Kelsey]

It'S a hard game.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's not that hard. I mean, they made it harder for themselves. Secure that D tackle first. Especially when he's freaking Jalen Carter. I just. That blew my mind.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a weird sense that a lot of great defensive linemen have. They feel this like leverage point where you're, you're. You're giving them too much pressure.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

The moment you get too much pressure and you get just a little bit off balance.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Swimming you. They're ripping, they're spinning. They're using the momentum and the strength you have against you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

The great ones just have an ability to like put somebody in a mental blizzard all day by, by playing with the speed, the power, the. The hands and. And the juke moves, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

So the biggest thing I'm trying to do against him is first of all, double team them. I'm doing everything I can. Whoever is blocking to at least put a handle.

[Travis Kelsey]

Where's the mic?

[Jason Kelsey]

At least put a hand.

[Travis Kelsey]

3 Technique is the mic today.

[Jason Kelsey]

Even if you got to block this guy over here, drag. Do not just go straight out there. We ain't fucking doing that today. All right? And if I got to go over here, I'm going to drag for you. That's how we're going to do this. We're not going to give this guy space.

[Travis Kelsey]

A drag for the non football heads.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is what if I'm going away from him? I'm not just going to go away and do my assignment. I'm going to stick my hand out to limit the amount of space that that guy has to work with.

[Travis Kelsey]

There it is. You're going to limit the space. Nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

And the tackle can do that, the center can do that, or the guard can do that, depending on what technique he's in, but I'm limiting space. I'm. I'm applying, I'm trying to get him before he gets going and I'm getting ready. If I when I quick set him for that quick hump move, that's what I'm trying to think about in the back of my head. And then after that, he's going to beat me nine times out of 10 if I'm not double him anyway.

[Travis Kelsey]

So I was about to say just yeah, that's the, that's the call.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Make sure you stop by a Sleep Number store. Check them out. Let's move on to the rest of the game. Shout out to the Eagles and good luck next week against the Commanders. And speaking of the Commanders rest of the Games Commanders 45 lines 31 no one in the world thought that the Commanders were going to come out on top in this one.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean I I'll be honest, I think Scott Van Pelt, svp, he's kind of a Commander's homer because I was.

[Travis Kelsey]

About to say he's a Washington guy. Yeah, he's that. I have not area.

[Jason Kelsey]

I am. I have not thought the Commanders were ready for this all season. I feel like I always felt like they were a year away. Even with the rookie quarterback playing great. It just felt like they don't have as many talented guys as you would want and they continually do it. They just have continued to play better. I think Dan Quinn and this is not like a fucking groundbreaking take. What Dan Quinn has done up there with that defense has been nothing short of remarkable. I think he is having those guys play so great right now. Yeah, it was a huge get getting Bobby Wagner this offseason. I really feel like that's accelerated the vision of a lot of things happening.

[Travis Kelsey]

Out there on defense. That's the guy that's making it happen.

[Jason Kelsey]

So the Eagles played the Commanders last time in the first game and they had almost 100 yards rushing. Not the first, the last time they played in the second game, the Eagles almost had 100 yards rushing. Maybe they did have 100 yards rushing in the first half. And when they ran this counter play and it was there, they had a huge hit on it. Then all of a sudden you saw them adjust to it. Bobby is screaming over the tight end. Couldn't block him. Like he had no chance on the Y block, the double team block to collect Bobby Wagner. He kept beating him. Duron Payne started looping outside of lane in making the play. Yeah, they adjust so well to what you're doing on the day. They listen to calls really well. I felt like they did that well in Dallas when Dan Quinn was down there. Everything he does, they're not overly complicated on defense, but he gives those guys freedom to make plays. He coaches them well. They play. If you have any type of like tendency that's going to give the play away. Run pass, what run it is. Formational tells anything. They are going to sniff it out. And they play so disciplined across the board. That being said, I mean, you know their offense, I mean, they were the reason they beat the Lions. They just, they weren't stopped. They punted one time. They went for it on fourth down.

[Travis Kelsey]

A bunch, but which they got a bunch of fucking, you know, veteran proven guys on that side of the ball. Zach Ertz, you know the offensive line, veteran offensive line, two super bowl champs over there and Andrew Wiley, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

On top of that, they got guys like Eckler is a very savvy vet. And I think they got a lot of guys that, that, that have that confidence of. I've been doing this a very long time. I know how to win, I know how to have success and I know how to be accountable. And then you mix that in with a young quarterback that's very confident, does the work. Understand. Understands a great scheme under Kingsbury. I mean, it makes sense. And they get. He's got wide receivers all over the place making fucking big time fucking plays.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep. I mean, obviously McLaurin's the biggest one, but they still got Zach Ertz out there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hertz is making fucking big plays. Big third down, big in the red zone.

[Jason Kelsey]

They're a well balanced offense. They run the ball really well. We were talking about Eckler. He's a great third down back. You may, he does some good. He'll. He'll have some good runs too. But Brian Robinson gets north and south very well. Jaden Daniels with the reads. And then all of a sudden, if you want to stop that read stuff, you got to Sneak somebody down in the box to take it away and then they throw it over your head. They just. They. They are very conducive offensively.

[Travis Kelsey]

Conducive. Nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is that the word I'm looking for?

[Travis Kelsey]

Sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

They're very.

[Travis Kelsey]

I like the way you sold me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, they're very complimentary offensively, and I think Kingsbury is doing a phenomenal job right now.

[Travis Kelsey]

Somebody's in there. The Thoris. No, seriously, the. They're. They're playing. They're hitting on all cylinders, and I'm not gonna. The Lions were hitting on all cylinders too, man. That was probably the funnest of. Of the three games, the other two games that I watched, or three games that I watched, for sure, that one was just non stop action. It rip my fucking heart out. Seeing Coach Campbell go down and. And that Lions team was super fun to watch, man. But the commanders, they earned that one, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

And what's particularly rough about the Lions losing this one is they are. They're losing Ben Johnson. He's. He's going to Chicago. It's already been stated which. Shout out to Chicago. Way to get a hell of a coach. See, I think Aaron Glenn has said that he might leave. So this lie. This was like the last year of this group, including the coaches, to kind of get it done. And they just got so decimated by injuries. Even as an NFC fan, I think everybody was kind of like, man, it would be kind of cool to see the Lions go with the super bowl this year.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, no, I didn't think it was that cool.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think everybody kind of feels for, you know, what they went through as a team. And I don't know, man, it just sucks.

[Travis Kelsey]

Losing does suck. You think the Bears. You think the Bears offensive linemen are like, dude, yeah, we get Ben Johnson, dude, I'm about to start scoring some touchdowns.

[Jason Kelsey]

They got some athletic tackles now.

[Travis Kelsey]

Some hook and laterals to their tackles.

[Jason Kelsey]

Their right tackle. I remember when he was coming. I'm trying to remember his name. Oh, my gosh. But he's. He can run now. He's got some. He's a pretty athletic dude. God damn. What's his name? Dare D. Something with the D. These nuts don't know. Right, right. Yeah. Donna, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

Donna, right, right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Speaking of Ben Johnson going to Chicago, there are fans out there, especially Lions fans, that are upset about them interviewing for other jobs. That's right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why?

[Jason Kelsey]

I think there's a perception from fans that you can't prepare your team as much as possible and interview for these coaching positions.

[Travis Kelsey]

Erroneous. Erroneous on all accounts.

[Jason Kelsey]

We dealt with something similar in Philly when we lost to you guys with Jonathan Gannon who had went to Arizona. I think there was more involved with the Gannon thing, but I always felt like it was a reach.

[Travis Kelsey]

I lost Doug Peterson, I lost Matt Nagy, I lost.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was about to say all the best coaches.

[Travis Kelsey]

Eric B. Enemy, Mike Kafka. Four out of basically every offensive coordinator that I've ever had has gone somewhere else and we've still had success. You can't, you, you have to give those guys the opportunity to be, to better on their careers, to strive for, for like a new position. That's the, that's the honor of being one of the best in the league is that everybody gets an opportunity to take that next, that next step if they get it. I don't think it's the reason why the Lions lost. I mean, offense put up 31 points.

[Jason Kelsey]

Had 500 plus yards of offense.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like what? Like that. Wasn't it by any means. Ben Johnson put together a great game plan. Bills 27, Ravens 25. The, the last of the four playoff games. Did it live up to the hype? Of course it did.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

Two of the best quarterbacks in the league. Duking it out for four quarters in the snow, man. Doesn't get more magical than that.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, it doesn't. It was an awesome game. Obviously came down to that last drive. Everybody's talking about the Mark Andrews drop because obviously that was a two point play that would have tied it up.

[Travis Kelsey]

Fuck, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

I will say this. Even before the drop, I was thinking in my head like they scored way too fast. There was over a minute 30 left.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can't control on how fast you score though.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes you can.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, you gotta just score, man. When you can get a touchdown. When you need a touchdown, when you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Need a touchdown, you need a touchdown. You gotta score.

[Travis Kelsey]

All I'm saying, you need a touchdown and a two point to time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's say Mark. All I'm saying, Mark Andrews catches that pass, what happens?

[Travis Kelsey]

You give yourself a chance to, for your defense to get a big stop?

[Jason Kelsey]

No, I'm just saying what do you think would have happened? I'm not, I'm not saying they did the wrong thing. I'm not saying that they're going to play.

[Travis Kelsey]

Would have, could have, should have.

[Jason Kelsey]

I will. I think the Bills would have gone down there, kicked a field goal anyway. I'm just trying to say Mark Andrews catching that pass wouldn't have mattered.

[Travis Kelsey]

I would have loved to See what the Bills could have done with it tied up like that. You know, it's good football.

[Jason Kelsey]

There's no question everybody wanted.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I like to see everybody, like, playing and showing their best. Yes. Thriving.

[Jason Kelsey]

One of my favorite playoff games I've ever witnessed was you guys playing Josh Allen in the Bills in the infamous comeback game with the 16 seconds or wherever the hell was. I found the clock because it felt like everybody was playing so well. Yeah, like Josh was playing great, Pat was playing great. That's fun football to watch. You don't ever want to watch something like that end up being the deciding factor in the game, in my opinion. It's just not as fun to watch.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm with you either way, though.

[Jason Kelsey]

Outstanding season for the Ravens, and Bills are going to be coming to Arrowhead next week.

[Travis Kelsey]

A lot's going to be said about how. How the Ravens, quote, unquote, lost that game, but the Bills showed up for sure. The Bills did it. The. The Bills. The Bills played their tails off 27 points against that Ravens defense is. Is damn good.

[Jason Kelsey]

The Bills, yeah, the Bills are fantastic. As they've been all year, especially towards the end of the year. They freaking have come on really strong. It's been inspiring watching the way this team has come together. You know, I think Josh Allen after the game, you know, you could tell, man, they feel like they've been doubted heavily this year, and they were. I mean, there was a lot of players on the offense that people had not heard of that have showed up and have risen to the occasion. Yeah, they play very complimentary football with the run game with James Cook and a lot of the misdirections. The backs are really active in the passing game. The defense showed up big. I mean, Derek Henry didn't have a bad day, but he didn't have the big day that he did the first time around when they played these guys. And credit to those guys and Sean McDermott for figuring out a way to slow that Russian attack down a little bit. Overall, this was an awesome game between two of the best teams in the NFL. And kudos to the Bills for sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. And I'm excited, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

We're going to get a great one this weekend.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's going to be. I, you know, me, I love going up against the best man. And the Bills are just as good as anybody in the league right now, so.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes, they are.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm excited for it to be championship Sunday at Arrowhead, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's go.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, let's go ahead and talk about some. Some previews. For Sunday, the NFC championship commanders at Eagles. Jason, got any, like, keys to the game or just like, right off the bat? Do you. What is. Have you ever played a team three times?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes, I played the New York Giants three times the year that we went to the super bowl against you guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

What the.

[Jason Kelsey]

What is that?

[Travis Kelsey]

Like? I've never played a team more than twice.

[Jason Kelsey]

It feels weird, especially when they've been three meaningful games. Like, the one game we had against the Giants was kind of like we were resting guys a little bit into the playoffs. Whenever you play a team twice, you know how this works. Like, you. The first game plays and you see what you did well, what they did well. You go into the next game prepared to either keep doing what you did well or like, you know, hey, be ready for this. If they do this again, this is how we're going to react. And now you're doing that for a third time. And it's like, man, they know exactly what we're going to do and what our counter is. So it's always interesting to see how teams respond to a third game against each other. Yeah, I think the Philadelphia Eagles, defensively, the key to the game, you got to stop the rushing attack this team. I know Jayden Daniels is a great quarterback and he's known to push the ball down the field, but I really think a lot of it is set up with the ground game. Brian Robinson, they get into a lot of manageable third and fourth down situations that if it's manageable at all, fourth down is going to be a go for it situation.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Try and keep them out of that as much as possible. Easier said than done. They're as good as, like, they're, like we've said before, complimentary team. They do a lot of things well. They don't make mistakes. This is not a team you can go into turning the ball over and making mistakes. They will capitalize on it. They will make you pay. Those are the big ones for me. Obviously, offensively, I think that we can run the ball as long as we're. We're executing everything properly. If you go back to that last game against Washington and credit to Washington now, they adjusted well in the second half and they really started shutting down our runs for the day. But if the Eagles take care of business and everybody does their job, I think that they should be able to have a successful day on the ground. But this is a really good team. Both of these teams are great. Dan Quinn coaches these guys so well. They have Jonathan Allen back this time around. He's a great player. Bobby Wagner is as good of a defensive leader as you're going to find in this league, so I'm looking forward to watching it. Freaking crazy that an NFC east divisional game is going to decide the NFC champions.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's nuts. I can only imagine AFC west like. I can't even fathom it, man. Trying to go toe to toe with a team that knows everything about you, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

A lot of familiarity here and that makes a difference. I brought that up earlier. There's one thing I think Dan does a great job of. Those guys are well coached. They, they, they know what they're looking for formationally. They know what their keys are. I've always felt like no matter where he's been at, he schemes things and lets those guys operate in the scheme and teaches them well on how to react to stuff. You see it in the way that they adjusted last game and that's a battle that's going to happen in this game.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, AFC Championship. Bills at Chiefs. Trav, what's keys to the game?

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm not going to tell you those.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's fair.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I'll leave.

[Jason Kelsey]

Can I say mine? I'll say mine.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, yeah, go ahead, Go ahead and, go ahead and give me the keys the, to the game, Jason.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I got you. Well, I'm giving the fans. I'm not giving you the keys to the game. These are what I think 92 percenters.

[Travis Kelsey]

Okay.

[Jason Kelsey]

Keys to the game. I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

Good call. Well, we do know this. We got a few extra weapons on offense. I think we're a little bit healthier on the defensive side. So it doesn't mean that, that, you know, we'll, we'll have the upper hand just because of that. You know, it's obviously these two great coach teams, two superstars at quarterback and, and playmakers all over the board. The biggest thing for me is, is just going out there and playing my tail off of these guys next to me. Man. We're excited for that challenge to, to go up against these Bills. We know they match up very, very good with us. There's a, it's a very familiar, you know, matchup. We've seen these guys a lot. We've seen them a lot in the playoffs and in the regular season. And, and you know, that being said, it's going to be, it's going to be a dog fight.

[Jason Kelsey]

No doubt about it. I think obviously James Cook is such a huge, integral part of that Bill's offense. You got to try and slow him Down. But easier said than done. And Josh is such a great job. It's. There's something really hard about stopping a passing attack that doesn't just zero in on specific playmakers. I mean, he spreads the ball around as good as anybody else.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

And then they're well coached on defense. Come on now. Sean McDermott. Let's go. Sean McDermott. Freaking Spagnola. Andy Reid. Joe Brady. Gosh. Josh Allen. Patrick Mahomes. This is going to be a fun game. Can't wait.

[Travis Kelsey]

Fire me up, baby. Best on the best. That's what I love.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, before we get going with the rest of the show, it's time for Travis to duck out of here for a second because he can't be here for this next segment. It's too degenerate for him.

[Intern Brandon]

Yeah, that's what it is. That's what it is.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Joining me now is intern Brandon. Hey. Hey.

[Intern Brandon]

We've only got two games this weekend. It's almost.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, baby. Oh, yeah.

[Intern Brandon]

All right, Jason, I'm build us a single game parlay.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay, Hit me.

[Intern Brandon]

We're gonna build a little single game parlay here. Looking at just the eagles and commanders.

[Jason Kelsey]

Got it?

[Intern Brandon]

I got six picks. Swindle it down to three. What do you like better? Saquon Barkley over 100 rushing yards or Jaden Daniels two passing touchdowns?

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm picking this or you're doing this.

[Intern Brandon]

You're the expert. You inform me. I'm torn. I don't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

Saquon over 100.

[Travis Kelsey]

Okay. All right.

[Intern Brandon]

Jayden Daniels out of here. All right, do we like Jalen Carter over one sack or Jaden Daniels over one interception? I have a favorite, but I want to. I want to hear the expert.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, but the way Jalen Carter played last game. I'm going to go with Jalen Carter.

[Intern Brandon]

All right, last. Last pairing here. Saquon Barkley anytime TD scorer or Jalen hurts anytime TD scorer. Is he gonna house one or are we tush pushing?

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll go with Jalen hurts anytime TD squish.

[Intern Brandon]

There we go. That leaves us with Saquon over 100 yards. Jalen Carter over one sack in. Jalen hurts anytime TD score. That is our single game parlay. That means your odds on that single game parlay are plus 360. $10 pays you $46. Jason, take us home.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Before we get out of here, let's get to some no Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by Mint Mobile.

[Jason Kelsey]

Alrighty. After hearing you guys talk about obscure sports on Wondery plus Exclusive, I need to know if y'all consider hobby horsing a sport. No, I do not. I do not consider hobby horsing a sport.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's no way.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't consider a lot of things a sport, though, that people call sports. So I'm not really. This isn't so much just a hobby horse thing. I just think that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why is this a thing?

[Jason Kelsey]

Hobby horsing?

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, it's, you know, there's like LARPing and, you know, this thing right here, whatever this is, I mean, there's some form involved. I'll go. I'll go see what it's about. Hey, if Wyatt can jump over a hurdle like that with the wooden horse between her legs, that's pretty impressive.

[Travis Kelsey]

Watch this.

[Jason Kelsey]

Look at this hurdle. Yeah, I just think this is the type of stuff you open yourself to when you allow judges to be a part of sports. I just don't think judging sports are. There's a goal scored and somebody has more points than the other team. At the end of the day, I don't want to hear somebody's opinion on what my score should have been. I want to know, did I score? Is there a goal in the net? That's a point.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't need to hear this person in the race that I throw this further than them.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I don't need you to tell me it was my high knee form. Correct or not? Get the out of here. That's my only problem with this, is that it's a judge sport now. Highest jump. Listen, that's a sport. That's a sport. The jumping. Whoever could jump over the highest obstacle with a goddamn wooden horse in between the leg that I can get on that with being a sport because it's very. There's no subjectiveness to it. It's like, hey, if you jumped over the higher rung, you win. There was a second part to this question also. Who would win a hobby horsing competition between Travis, Jason, Jets, Jake, and intern Brandon?

[Travis Kelsey]

Sounds like Jason would.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't think I would. I definitely ain't winning the jumping contest.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm definitely not doing it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, then you're definitely not winning. So I guess I think it's really between me, Jets, Jake, and Andrew. Brandon, would you partake in this?

[Intern Brandon]

Yeah, sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

Intern Brandon. Why not here?

[Intern Brandon]

Oh, can you not hear me?

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know. I can hear you. I don't know if they can. I don't know how this works sometimes.

[Intern Brandon]

I'm recorded. We figured out that mechanism, like, two weeks ago. It's been pretty solid for us.

[Jason Kelsey]

There we go.

[Intern Brandon]

We're advancing the podcast at all times.

[Jason Kelsey]

Just. Jake, would you try this from experience, My sister did this, and it's the dumbest thing ever. She used to run around our backyard jumping over horse things. Julia, I love you. Sorry for up on a national podcast. Have you ever told your sister you.

[Travis Kelsey]

Used to go to them? Used to have to go to competitions?

[Jason Kelsey]

No, she, she didn't compete in these. She just had them in our backyard, and we just run over the jumps.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, well, if it's a kid that's in the backyard being a kid, that's one thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

She was in high school.

[Travis Kelsey]

God.

[Jason Kelsey]

Julie, I love you. That's so good.

[Travis Kelsey]

Everybody's got their hobby from Ashley Gunno.

[Jason Kelsey]

If Travis is El Travidor when he has the mustache, what is his name? When he has the playoff beard.

[Travis Kelsey]

Ooh, the playoff beard. I go a list a little less Spanish, and I go more like Nordic. Celtic.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, Celtic.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was thinking more Viking.

[Travis Kelsey]

What? Did I say?

[Jason Kelsey]

Celtic? I mean, listen, the Irish people have beards too. I feel like yours. I, I, I think it might be red beard.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's not that red.

[Jason Kelsey]

Because in the playoff mode, especially, there's, like, an anger that you play with.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's not that red.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's a little red. It's got some tinge to it.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, you're trying to give me.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm not trying to get you. I, I'm trying to, like, give you. I think it's like, I think red beard is a Great. It's not Blackbeard. Definitely not black beard. I don't think it's brown beard. I think. I think it's red.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's definitely brown beard.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's red beard. If somebody saw that beard and they were like, give it a color, they would say red beard.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, they would not.

[Jason Kelsey]

Brandon, come in here. What would you call that beard? Not like the actual color, but if you were going to nickname that beard.

[Intern Brandon]

Let me get in. Travis, get a little closer.

[Jason Kelsey]

Come on.

[Travis Kelsey]

You get what you get.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let the light hit it too.

[Intern Brandon]

There's red in there. There's red in there.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's red in there. Okay. If it's.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I'm not on you. I think it's awesome. It's. Redbeard is a great name.

[Intern Brandon]

Red beard's a good one. It sounds more. Red beard's more pirate. Red beard's more pirate. I think that's a pirate name.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's mad.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I'm not mad at all. There's nothing wrong with someone having a red beard. I'm saying you're throwing me into a boat that I'm not in. Like, there's people out here with actual red beards.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, yeah, there's. There's redder beards. I just think you. If you have any redness to your beard, you can be called red beard. Just like I could be called white beard. Gray beard. Not yet. No. But red beard, I think is a little bit more lenient.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, this is why they're all dumb questions.

[Jason Kelsey]

What is the. What's a good. I'm just thinking of good beard nicknames. What's a good Nordic freaking.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can't look it up.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nordic for Travis.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is what I'm saying. You can't look it up. Let's just look at it. Feel the energy.

[Jason Kelsey]

How do you say Travis and Norris.

[Travis Kelsey]

You did this, Brandon.

[Intern Brandon]

I know.

[Jason Kelsey]

It might just be Travis.

[Intern Brandon]

I up. I can't leave open ended questions in the show anymore.

[Jason Kelsey]

Viking names.

[Travis Kelsey]

What.

[Jason Kelsey]

What about Ragnar, Dude, Ragnar.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did I get it?

[Intern Brandon]

Did I nail it? Did I nail it?

[Jason Kelsey]

That similar to Travis?

[Intern Brandon]

It's nowhere near.

[Jason Kelsey]

Translate the Travis.

[Travis Kelsey]

God damn it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jason Celtic.

[Intern Brandon]

God damn it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jason's stuck. He's in a wormhole. He doesn't get out of these things. You did this.

[Intern Brandon]

I know. Every week I do this and I. I reflect upon this and I'm like, never do that again. Thomas love the first king of Croatia, Travis Slav. Travis Live. Travis love.

[Jason Kelsey]

Travis Slav. I mean, Slavic.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, fuck.

[Intern Brandon]

You got there, Travis.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you Travis Slav.

[Travis Kelsey]

Travis love.

[Jason Kelsey]

Travis love.

[Travis Kelsey]

When do you say it like that? It actually Travis love.

[Intern Brandon]

There it is.

[Travis Kelsey]

You have to say it more. Russian.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why Russian?

[Travis Kelsey]

Say it more. Say it more.

[Jason Kelsey]

Arnold Travis love.

[Travis Kelsey]

There it is.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's good. That's real good.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's funny as.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, I think we figured it out. That's it for totum. Questions brought to you by Mint Mobile, the smart answer to saving money on premium wireless. And that also wraps up another episode of New Heights. Make sure you subscribe to YouTube to the new Heights channel and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus and the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hey, how about a New Heights Wondery show produced by Way Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Reese's new Ch Lava Big Cup. Follow the show on all social media at New heights show with 1s for fun clips. Thanks to the production and crew. Please delete everything I said.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's going to be a lot of.

[Travis Kelsey]

Editing this episode to the 92% 92 percentage. Thanks for tuning in. We'll see you man. Get fired up for some championship football, baby. Some of my favorite favorite things to do after a game after a big play is go listen to like the the different calls from around the world of the play.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is Japan, dude. Did we just come up with a bit? We have to describe the play. We have to guess the play based on a four nations calling of the play.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Alrighty.

[Jason Kelsey]

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