Franchise Records, Sanders NFL Debut, Taco Domination and We’re Going “Belly Bucking” | EP 165

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce

Episode 165: Franchise Records, Sanders NFL Debut, Taco Domination and We’re Going “Belly Bucking”
Date: November 19, 2025
Podcast Host: Wondery

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Overview

In this energizing episode, Jason and Travis Kelce return with their trademark blend of football insight and brotherly banter. They cover Week 11’s most compelling NFL moments, personal record-breaking milestones, spicy NFL controversies (including “Spitgate”), and lighter conversations about tacos, tailgates, and belly bucking competitions. The Kelces don’t shy away from candid analysis of their teams—the Chiefs and Eagles—and offer entertaining takes on NFL personalities, locker room energy, and everything from game-day stats to pineapple on tacos.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Show Updates and Upcoming Events

• Podcast Recognition: The brothers celebrate their Taylor Swift episode being named a top podcast episode by Apple.
  • “[Our Taylor episode] was named one of the best podcast episodes of 2020. One of them. What the are we talking about? ... There’s nothing that’s even fucking coming close to that.” —Travis (01:41)
• Upcoming Content:
  • Heights Hotline Hot Takes bonus episode dropping Friday.
  • Guest conversation with Erin Andrews & Carissa Thompson coming Monday.
• New Heights Tailgate Announcement:
  • Black Friday, Philadelphia – all are invited to a tailgate at the Link, complete with food, merch, field goal competition alternatives, and a “belly bucking” tournament.
  • “I want a belly bucking competition at the New Heights tailgate. That’s what I want.” —Travis (03:37)

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2. Chiefs vs. Broncos Recap & Franchise Record

• Chiefs’ Frustrating Loss & Path Forward:
  • Jason voices exasperation over Chiefs’ 5-5 record, emphasizing discipline, accountability, and a team-first mentality.
    • “[I] haven’t been in this situation in a long, long time ... It’s just got to be about this team, about the guy next to you, and you gotta have fun doing it.” —Jason (07:23)
• Travis Sets Franchise Record:
  • Travis becomes the Chiefs’ all-time leader in receptions, yards, and touchdowns.
    • “This is a huge accomplishment and a testament to the career you’ve had in Kansas City ... You’re the one guy at the top of that organization for an entire career in multiple categories.” —Jason (10:09)
  • Travis expresses pride but wishes for more team success.
    • “I’m just a product of my environment and, and I love Kansas City for it. And let’s, let’s go ahead and keep adding to that fucking record, baby.” —Travis (11:31)
• Analysis:
  • Statistically, the Chiefs’ 2025 team is stronger than 2024 offensively and defensively—but they're not closing late, especially in one-score games.
    • “2024, 11 and 0 in one score games. 2025, 0–5 ... Winning is a skill.” —Jason (13:09)
  • The brothers discuss the crucial importance of communication and execution in late-game moments (15:17).
  • Tyreek Hill (“Cheetah”) congratulating Travis on his achievement is noted as a highlight (16:30).

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3. Eagles vs. Lions Recap: Defensive Brilliance

• Eagles’ Defensive Masterclass:
  • Travis celebrates the Eagles’ defense as “playing unbelievable right now... at every single level.”
    • “Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter were playing volleyball out there, batting down passes left and right.” —Travis (22:21)
  • Five batted passes led to turnovers, helping stifle a powerful Lions offense.
• Lions’ Toughness and Missed Opportunities:
  • The Lions’ failure on five 4th-down attempts, despite their usual strength in those situations, was decisive (24:00).
• Eagles’ Offensive Concerns:
  • Jason and Travis discuss the Eagles’ struggles to recreate their dominant ground game.
    • “The number one difference is that we can’t run the football. We’re not running it at a consistent, successful rate.” —Jason (28:17)
  • Lane Johnson’s injury and its historic impact on the offense is highlighted (27:59).
• Big NFC Showdowns:
  • Jason names Eagles-Cowboys and Rams-Seahawks as must-watch upcoming games (30:03).

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4. NFL Highlights & Storylines

• Jameis Winston’s Return (“The NFL is Better When Jameis is Starting”)
  • The brothers revel in Jameis Winston’s pregame energy, hilarious personality, and “surgical execution” promise.
    • “NFL is just better when Jameis is starting, man. It is.” —Travis (38:52)
• Taco Domination Debate (39:04)
  • The show takes a playful turn exploring “taco dominance” etiquette and the best taco varieties.
    • “No matter which way I turn the taco, I’m still eating that. Therefore I am the dominant one.” —Travis (39:53)
    • “If it’s like a street taco, I’m with it ... I’m very pro pineapple.” —Travis (41:22)
• Spitgate Part 2
  • The NFL’s spitting controversies, player code, and appropriate responses are discussed with their usual wit.
    • “Dude, that’s just, like, such a disrespectful, disgusting thing to do. I don’t like that this has now become a thing. I think that we need to do our best as NFL players to not continue this trend.” —Travis (44:08)
• Other Games & Standouts
  • Bills thump the Bucs (44:00).
  • Rams-Seahawks: Defensive slugfest, with the Rams as Jason’s NFC sleeper (45:24).
  • Shedeur Sanders’ NFL debut after Gabriel’s concussion protocol.

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5. Stamps of the Week (46:25)

Darnell Washington, Pittsburgh Steelers

• Jason: “He’s stiff-arming three defenders in a row, man ... You love how the guy plays football, man.” —Jason (46:56)
• Travis: “He is a Steeler. When you think of a Steeler, you think of a guy that’s going to physically get after people.” —Travis (47:08)

Mark Andrews, Baltimore Ravens

• Travis: “For executing the fake tush push in epic fashion. Everybody’s like, ‘Oh, the tush push isn’t a football play...’ Well check out my man Mark Edge. Little misdirection, opens the opposite way, swings out to the right side of the line and into the end zone. They fucking won the game on a fake tush push.” —Travis (47:47)
• Jason: “Mark Andrews, the way he spun out of there, looks like he’s ran a little bit of triple option in his day, right?” —Jason (48:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Belly Bucking Competition plans:
  • “Basically sumo wrestling but you’re only allowed to use your belly.” —Travis (04:01)
• Self-Accountability in Football:
  • “You gotta kick that aside and you gotta think about how you’re going to attack the day, and you gotta put all the selfish... things that you want for yourself aside, and it’s just gotta be about this team, about the guy next to you, and you gotta have fun doing it, man.” —Jason (07:32)
• Perspective on Franchise Records:
  • “When you come into work with the right mindset and the right attitude and you got a really good coach and a really good quarterback and you stay long enough, they don’t fire you for 13 years, man, you start to pile up some stats.” —Travis (11:31)
• Taco Domination:
  • “I’ll dominate the taco by devouring the taco.” —Jason (39:50)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• New Heights Tailgate & Belly Bucking: 02:39–05:37
• Chiefs-Broncos Recap & Franchise Records: 06:58–13:10
• Eagles-Lions Recap & NFC Standings: 22:05–31:00
• Jameis Winston’s Return & Taco Discussion: 37:16–41:22
• Spitgate & NFL Locker Room Code: 42:55–44:08
• Stamps of the Week: 46:25–48:33

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Final Thoughts

Jason and Travis bring trademark honesty, fandom, and fun to this packed episode, weaving together deep football analysis, locker room stories, on-field milestones, and the random-but-relatable (taco technique wars, pineapple advocacy, and the mysterious rise of "Spitgate"). The episode is a must-listen—or, for non-listeners, a must-read recap—for anyone who wants to keep up on NFL action, player mentality, and the most entertaining set of brothers in sports media.

Transcript

[Jason Kelsey]

Going down the only road I'd ever.

[Travis Kelsey]

Known Like a drifter I was born to walk alone.

[Jason Kelsey]

And I've made up my mind.

[Travis Kelsey]

Here I go again I don't know Is that how it goes? I don't even know Basically I ain't wasting no more time.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, Welcome back to new heist. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wondry show brought to you by Adobe Acrobat Studio. That's right, all you PDF lovers. Adobe's been doing it for a long time.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

We're your host.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm Travis Kelsey.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's my big brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alums shout out to the cats. A tough one this past weekend, but since he. Since we got to get this thing rocking and rolling, man, we got one at the house this week. Yeah, baby. Let's turn this thing around. Subscribe on YouTube laundry plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at new height show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, why don't you let the people know what we got coming up?

[Travis Kelsey]

All righty. 92 percentage. You know the deal. We got a great episode coming up right now. We're gonna recap the Chiefs of Broncos, return of Jameis Winston and rest of week 11 of the NFL coming in right now. Let's get into what we always get into. And that's a little bit of that new news. New news is brought to you by American Express. Our Taylor episode was named one of the best podcast episodes of 2020. One of them. What the are we talking about?

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean. Yeah, what is beating that one so magical?

[Travis Kelsey]

Is there. Are they rating other ones up there? There's nothing that's even fucking coming close to that. Oh, Elon Musk was actually a big one, but he was cheating. He was doing political shit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Maybe we need to have Amy and Tina Fey come on here.

[Travis Kelsey]

Tina could do a great Delco accent. Phenomenal Delco accident.

[Jason Kelsey]

Pretty sure she's got a few good accents in her back pocket.

[Travis Kelsey]

Thank you, Apple, for putting us up there, for doing pretty much nothing and just having the most famous person in the world hop onto our show. If you haven't heard it, go check it out if you've been living under a rock or something. Okay. We also got some more new heights headed your way. That's right, this Friday, we are dropping a heights hotline hot takes bonus episode. On Monday, we're also going to be dropping a guest conversation with Aaron Andrews And Carissa Thompson. That's right. Maybe two of the most demanded guests of all time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yay. And Carissa are so much fun. Man, you guys are going to love this.

[Travis Kelsey]

They are fantastically entertaining, knowledgeable and charismatic. Again. If you are spending Thanksgiving in Philly and you're sick of your family, feel free to stop by the New Heights tailgate at the Link. On Black Friday, we're going to be having a New Heights tailgate in the parking lot. Reminder, we'll have food, merch, giveaways, a photo booth, a DJ games, a field goal competition. I don't like the field competition. I'm not stealing Pat McAfee's. We can do a better competition. We don't need the field competition. And it's free to enter. Just join us in lot case starting.

[Jason Kelsey]

At 11am I say a snapping competition.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, we can do. We can figure out. I want to do one on one pass blocks. I've been trying to get espn.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh my gosh.

[Travis Kelsey]

I've been trying to give. Let ESPN do it. And ESPN keeps giving me freaking pushback because it's like not safe. Whatever, espn, just sign a waiver. You can make this shit happen. I think we do the belly bumping. Brandon, show the clip of the belly bumping.

[Jason Kelsey]

The belly bumping.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's the kind of competition I want. And in Philly at a tailgate, this would be fucking electric. This is what I'm talking about. Belly bucking. I want a belly bucking competition at the New Heights tailgate. That's what I want.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're hilarious. This would be this.

[Travis Kelsey]

We got to get Bo Allen in town. We. Who else can we get into this thing? Who's got a big old gut?

[Jason Kelsey]

Golly. Who else?

[Travis Kelsey]

Sponsored by Garage Beer. Look at that. I'm telling you. Basically sumo wrestling. But you're only allowed to use your belly. And if you get pushed out of the circle, you're out. You will have to sign a waiver.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Make sure it looks like the. The trick to this is to wear some tight fit jeans with a good strong belt. Look how he's grabbing. He's grabbing his belt.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, that's how you do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love that part of the competition is just showing people pouring beers and drinking.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, that's how you do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, these two guys are gonna bump bellies, but it's more just a reason to go get together and drink beer.

[Jason Kelsey]

Where. How do you think they got those bellies, Jason? Drinking those damn beers, dude, you drink.

[Travis Kelsey]

Too many beers to start belly Bucking. You're going to start puking all over each place. Sounds like we're going to do a belly bucking competition at the New Heights tailgate. As long as Brandon, are we amenable to that? Can we get a pretty good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

What's it called?

[Announcer/Host]

A waiver.

[Travis Kelsey]

Waiver.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. We'll contact the New Heights legal department and get that waiver.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dunphy with the freaking fanatic.

[Jason Kelsey]

Has his leg healed from the last time we introduced.

[Travis Kelsey]

The last time I did something with him, I almost tore his acl.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's a year after. He should be. He should be about ready to go. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

The reality is I only want to do this because I want to compete. Okay. I wouldn't throw this out there just for 92. I'm joining.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hold on. We're going to do belly bucking the day after Thanksgiving in the link.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right. That's right.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, done. Solved. Good luck. Amazon wondering. Philadelphia department, best of luck. I'll see you guys in Philly.

[Travis Kelsey]

Kylie responded to our announcement post. Ooh, Jason, take me. Okay. Kylie's coming in the tailgate too, it looks like. There we go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Kai's missing. Missing a little bit of the. The tailgate in life.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right. Kylie's gonna compete in the bucket. Belly bucket. Can we confirm whether Princess Kyana will be in attendance at the tail. Kai, are you going to the tailgate? I mean. Yeah, you're always invited. All right. She's in. Well, the crowd more pumped for Kylie or Jet. She. I mean, Kylie are the intern and just Jake competing in the belly bucket.

[Jason Kelsey]

Gonna wear some tight jeans and a tank top and start belly bucking Jake. I'll do it. I'm in.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jake might medically be disqualified. I think I've been cleared for belly bucking.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm in.

[Travis Kelsey]

If you have a scar that goes right down your sternum, you're out of the belly bucking. It stops before the belly. We're good. I don't think I feel good.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't think we need to do this. All right.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's fine. It's fine. That wraps up new news brought to you by American Express. All righty. Let's talk about exactly where Travis wants to go in this conversation. Oh, yeah. Bold Topics. To wrap up week 11 in the NFL, bold topics is brought to you by KFC. All right. Chiefs 19, Broncos 22. I'll let you have the floor before we dive into anything else.

[Jason Kelsey]

Bunch of flags all over the place. Whether it was, you know, procedural penalties, which is the Fucking most frustrating thing ever or holding penalties, which some I'm here for, others I'm just like, what are we even doing? And it's. It's, you know, obviously putting up touchdowns instead of field goals, man. It's frustrating because it's gotten to the point where we're five and five.

[Travis Kelsey]

We're.

[Jason Kelsey]

We're 500 going into the. The back end of the schedule here. Got seven games left, and we basically got to run the table. And I haven't been in this situation in a long, long time, man. And it's even more frustrating knowing the kind of guys that we have, knowing the kind of talent that we have, knowing that the type of coaches that we have. And everybody's got to just kind of look themselves in the mirror, man. You can't sit around pointing fingers about, you know, whether it's, you know, somebody missing a block here, somebody missing a catch here, somebody, you know, play calls. Whatever you, whatever you go into mentally when you're frustrated, you got to kick that aside and you got to think about how you're going to attack the day, and you got to put all the selfish, all the, all the things that you want for yourself aside, and it's just got to be about this team, about the guy next to you, and you got to have fun doing it, man. And we got a hell of a team coming in that's. That's firing on all cylinders. That's. That looks like they're getting after everybody in the. In the run game and pass game, and we're gonna have to put up points to help our defense. Last week, we didn't do that. This week is, you know, it's. It's about time we put it together, man. We've seen what this train looks like when, when we're rocking and rolling and we're having fun and we need to just get back to. To play Chiefs football, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I mean, well said. I do think that, you know, it's frustrating where you guys are at your five and five. Five of those losses, though, are one score games. There's like one or two plays a game, and you guys could easily still be at the top of the afc. Like, let me ask you this. This is what's crazy about the NFL. If this year's Chiefs team played last year's Chiefs team, who wins?

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm taking this year's.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what I'm saying. I am, too. Somehow you guys are better, but you're sitting at 5 and 5. You're just not being. You're you're not executing as well at the end of games, which is very uncharacteristic for Pat and what you guys have been, obviously last year.

[Jason Kelsey]

It feels like it's all self inflicting and, and, and it feels like the answers are right there in front of us and we just got to fucking do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I hear you and I. It's frustrating to watch because I know how much you put into it, how much you guys as a team and how much Andy puts into it and. Well, there was one good thing that happened in the game, which is the big Yeti set a record for the most touchdowns in organization history. He's now the triple crown holder for receivers in the Kansas City Chiefs organization. That's right. He has the most receptions, most yards, and now the most touchdown receiver in the history of the Kansas City Chiefs. Well, most touchdowns across the board for any player. I know you always like to downplay this stuff, Trav. This is a huge accomplishment and a testament to the career you've had in Kansas City. And I don't want to hear you downplay this one bit. This is incredible. This. The Chiefs are a storied organization that has been around since the beginning of the afl, the NFL, all of it. They've been around forever. Tons of people have put that Chief's uniform on, hall of Famers out the wazoo. And, and you're the one guy at the top of that organization for an entire career in multiple categories. And I know you would trade all of that to have a successful season this year, because that's the type of person you are, but you deserve all the credit in the world for this accomplishment. Congratulations to the big Yeti.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you, big guy. I. And it is an honor, man. Obviously, right now it's soured because it's coming off of a loss, our fifth loss of the season. But I got so much, so much, first of all, so much respect for the organization, so much respect for the. The guys that have paved the way not not only in the Chiefs organization, but in the National Football League that have made, you know, an opportunity for myself to come in and, and, you know, make a living, you know, live out my childhood dreams, man. And I think, you know, shout out to Priest Homes yet again. I've. We've talked about Priests on, on the show and how much we loved him when we were, when we were kids watching the game. Obviously, Tony Gonzalez is a guy. I still feel like I'm trying to fill his shoes and what he's been able to do in The National Football League and in this Chiefs organization. And I just love coming into work, man. And you know, when you come into work with the right mindset and the right attitude and you got a really good coach and a really good quarterback and you're, you stay long enough, they don't fire you for 13 years, man, you start to pile up some stats, man. And I'm, I'm just a product of my environment and, and I love Kansas City for it. And let's, let's go ahead and keep adding to that. Fucking that record, baby, and score some more touchdowns this year and try and get us into the playoffs, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Currently you guys are 5 and 5, 8th in the NFC if it started today. Everybody wants to get concerned and all these things, but I think Andy is always head on straight in these situations. We're not quite as negative as the outside world is. We know what we need to do to clean up. And the guys, they get it. Some of these guys have been through some pretty good seasons. It's not like this one is lost.

[Jason Kelsey]

So the answers are right in front of us. I said it. Their answers are right there. You turn on the film, you see what's going on, you see where your strengths are, where your weaknesses are, and, and you keep getting better. And you know, the concern isn't with, do we have the guys? Yeah, the concern isn't do we have the coaches, do we have the guys? Do we have the right people in the building? I have all the faith that we got the guys that we need. We just need to turn it up. A not the accountability, the details. I'm right here raising my hand saying I need to get my shit right. And that should be the mentality of everybody that steps in this building. And, and, and there needs to be a sense of urgency to get that done and to be proficient with how you're getting it done. And I got a, I got a lot of faith in the guys in this building. I know I'm gonna go to war for him, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

I got a lot of faith in you guys as well. Especially you. We just talked about this. Statistically, The Chiefs in 2025 are better than the 2024 Chiefs. 2024, 11th in EPA per play on offense, 15th in EPA per play on defense. 2025, third in EPA on offense, 10th in EPA per play on defense. I don't know that that means. But this is the one thing that I do think is showing the differences of the two seasons. 2024, 11 and 0 in one score games. 202505 I know that you're saying you got to pick it up throughout the rest of the game, right? Like it's not just about end of game scenarios, but when I think of the Chiefs, I do think about end of the game. I think about like, you can't give the ball back to Pat Mahomes. And I think it's important. I think winning a lot of times I talk about this on Monday a little bit. Winning is a skill and you get used to that. As someone who has had immense success in late game scenarios, what do you think is the mindset you need to have to be able to execute better in end of game scenarios? The team isn't getting it done right now, but I know from you, from Pat, from Andy, there's so many guys there from Chris Jones understand what the thought process is late in the games and it feels like right now the whole team is just not executing as well as they need to.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think just getting guys acclimated into the mindset that you have. And in those late moment games, there's.

[Travis Kelsey]

Things that kill drives like that, penalties, sacks and big time mistakes. Right? Those are the three things you can't have in end of game scenarios. Two minute drills, you try and preach not making those.

[Jason Kelsey]

We had all of them, not only on that drive, but the drive after that. It was a little bit of everything. It was just, you know, for whatever reason, we just aren't in sync in those moments. And I don't know if it's having all of the guys healthy in these moments and it's not, it's not effort. I can promise you that. You turn the film on, it's not effort, man. It's just getting the details right and focusing in on, on the task at hand. The play call, where we're going offensive line wise in terms of blocking and then receivers wise, there's a sense of urgency. We got to fucking get going. We got to run. We got to make sure that we're, we're on time. Knowing Pat's under duress.

[Travis Kelsey]

I feel like a lot of the times on the best teams I've been around, when you get into these crucial moments, communication gets heightened and it gets heightened in a way that it like brings you back down to like just doing what you have to do. Like little things like, hey, it's going to be loud. We know it's going to be loud. This drive, lock in on the snap count, make sure you're not off sides, right? Little things like you're saying with the receivers like, hey, the moment you're breaking the huddle, you see guys communicating and saying, like, hey, you hit. The timing of it. Like, all these little communications between players between the quarterback. Like, hey, the ends jumping the play. Let's get a double count in here. This next snap. Like, all of that just gets heightened in these crucial moments. And I know you guys have been a part of it. There's the clips with you and Pat talking before the Buffalo Bills game and him just giving you the do it, do it, Kelse. Right? There's a clip last year with the. The block field goal. You guys are losing the game, and these guys know they're going to go out and block the field and they're talking about it on the bench before they go do it. The communication and great players in those crucial moments gets heightened. And that's something you guys have been so great at throughout your time with Andy and Pat and you and Chris and everybody over there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Everything you're saying is. Is spot on, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Tyreek Hill tweeted out, congrats to you. I didn't see this until right now.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, nice. If Cheetah was here, he'd probably be the one celebrating the record.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's a very good point. He was. He was having himself one in Casey for a while. Shout out to the Cheetah. Get healthy.

[Jason Kelsey]

My man DJ Cheetah. He's on the boards now, baby. He's. He's finding. Yeah, he's getting the Every, every, every, every.

[Travis Kelsey]

I didn't know this.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

What kind of music?

[Jason Kelsey]

Like old school. Not old school hip hop, but like our generation hip hop.

[Travis Kelsey]

90S, early 2000s.

[Jason Kelsey]

2000S. I think it was 2000s hits. I forget the song. He posted it the other day of him transitioning from one song to the next and getting hyped that he finally made it sound decent.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nailed it. Shout out to the Cheetah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Cheetah, let me know where you're gonna be at, man. I gotta come see my dog.

[Travis Kelsey]

You just mentioned you got the Colts coming up. The Colts have been red hot. They've been demolishing teams. Come back down to earth a little bit the last couple weeks, but still find a way to get it done. It's.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is a big game, you know? Yeah, it's a huge game against a great football team. They're. They're firing on all cylinders offensively. Defense is stout, communicate very well, play their gaps, you know, play their tails off. And. And obviously, great D coordinator that we've.

[Travis Kelsey]

Faced a lot of familiar familiarity. Lou Yep.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, and got a lot of respect for him and every defense that he's he's been at the helm of and we're going to have our hands full, man. But it's at Arrowhead and it's at noon and I'm already getting fucking fired up for baby thank you to our.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Jason. Eagle 16, Lions 9.

[Travis Kelsey]

How about that travel man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Too high score. And offenses too. A lot of talent on both offensive sides of the ball there.

[Travis Kelsey]

25 only.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, only 25 points, man. It's crazy. What are your thoughts on the game?

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, my thoughts are the defense is playing unbelievable right now. Probably the best they've played since Vic Fangio has been here the last two games against Green Bay. And now the Lions, who were coming off their best offensive performance of the season in the against the Commanders. I just. They're playing so well right now and it's at every single level of the defense. The defensive line is playing out of their minds. Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter were playing volleyball out there, batting down passes left and right. They had five batted passes. One of them ended up being a pick early that the Eagles ended up scoring off of. And I think that you know the lines, they like to do all this run and play action. They hit a lot of stuff over the middle of the ball by Sucking those linebackers up when you're they batting down those passes early that clearly I think got them out of their rhythm.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's that. Yeah, that makes you as a, as a play caller, as a quarterback, that. That makes you think about the next time you're about to either call that or throw that kind of pass.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, guys are winning their one on one matches up front and pass plays as well. Jalen Phillips has been a huge addition. They got Nolan Smith and Brandon Graham and all these guys healthy. Outside of that, they got great depth. They're linebackers. Nicobe Dean, Zach Bond and John Campbell are freaking playing out of their minds right now. Nicobe Dean getting healthy added another dynamic to this defense. Their DBs outside of the one corner position been great all year. But even Adore Jackson's playing better than he was earlier in the year. Yeah, they're playing so cohesive and fun. Fantastic right now as a defense. To hold the Lions in nine points is very difficult. And they took everything they had. They had to stop them five times on fourth down. Like that's a very difficult task against the Detroit Lions.

[Jason Kelsey]

So their fourth down conversion percentage I would assume is like well above like 60, 70%.

[Travis Kelsey]

The one thing that is, I think every Eagles fan is frustrated. Like here's the thing. I thought the Eagles would win this game because I thought we match up well with the Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions are a big. We're going to stuff this ball down your throat and then throw it over your heads. Control the line of scrimmage team. And the Eagles have always been good against teams that try and play football like that because we got the guys ourselves as well. And we like they line up and they play man coverage. They ain't hiding nothing like you play. Some teams are going to disguise the coverages. They're going to be, is it zone? Is it cover three? Is it quarters? Is it man like. And they're great at that area. Detroit, Dan Campbell, they line up and you know exactly what they're doing. Come beat us. And I thought we would perform honestly much better on offense against a defense like that. Credit to Detroit. They came to play on defense, they played up, they played well up front. Their linebackers, they stopped the run. They condensed the line of scrimmage when it was a run play. And in the back end, bro, they. They played really well in coverage. There's no other way to say it. Like they, they answered the bell. I expected the Eagles offense to play much better than they did against the Lions. To be honest with you. They had some drops early that I think kind of got them out of a rhythm. The run plays, they were doing great on counter plays, but it just wasn't there consistently. But I, I got to give Detroit credit, Dan Campbell. The way these guys play. We've talked about it for weeks now. I'm such a huge fan ethos of this team. I know they didn't get the win. They wish they did 16 and I know that thing was right there. They get two of those five fourth down conversions that they didn't end up converting. This game could be completely different. And I thought it was a, it was a game that you want to see. There were two games this week that I thought were the four best teams in the NFC plan. Rams and Seahawks and the Eagles and Lions. Those, those are the big dogs right now. Credit to Detroit for playing a great game on defense. They get a couple more of those 4000s, it's different. But for the Eagles to win this game against the Lions and now be the top of the nfc, awesome, awesome team win. Gotta clean this stuff up on offense, but overall, really happy.

[Jason Kelsey]

There you go, baby. Like you said, defense came up huge.05 on fourth downs, but also held the Lions to 3 and 13 on third downs, which is huge because the Lions are so good in those critical situations and there's so many weapons on that side of the ball, man. Fast, fast running backs.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you see Jameer Gibbs in person or like even on tv? That's how you know you're fast. If you look fast on tv, you're fast. It's because every once in a be on the field and somebody will run by, you're like, that guy's doing pretty good. But then you see it on tv, it's like, oh, he's running about the same speed as everybody else. When you look like you're in a different gear than everybody else on the television.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

As. What does Gruden say? Blur the screen? He blurs the screen.

[Jason Kelsey]

He does, man. And you guys held him, man. You guys held him. You guys shut down glasses Dan Campbell so shut down my stamp of the week last week, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

And yeah, who knows, maybe a little rematch coming in the playoffs, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, I would not be surprised at it at all. I would love, as a fan of the game of football to see it because these, both of these teams, don't get me wrong, I love watching the tricky stuff that Detroit does. I love watching the unique coverages and fronts and everything that Vic does. But there's just something about both of these teams that they get also at the core of football, which is like, we're going to line up and we're going to beat the shit out of you today. And I just love watching teams that play that way. I do. I just love it. Every. Every.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's football at its core.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's army versus Navy, dude. Yeah. As a. As an Eagles fan, what's your biggest concern right now with the Eagles?

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, I mean, Lane, Johnson, injury. I don't know how long he's going to be out. That's something that is like decimated this offense. In years past, whenever Lane's been out, it's been very detrimental. Positively. Fred Johnson has played well in his snaps. He's had to go in for Lane, but make no mistakes. They're going to miss Lane.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

We got to find a way to get this offense going. And I really thought they're playing man coverage. We execute so well when we play teams that try to run man coverage against us. We just saw it and it was. It did not work. We have to do things to figure this out. We have to get the ground game going. Everybody wants to talk about this year's offense versus last year's offense and previous offenses with Jalen Hurts. The number one difference is that we can't run the football. We're not running it at a consistent, successful rate. We had some big hits. We had a nice flip play to Saquon. We had some counter plays that hit. We have to be way better. We have to be demoralizing in the ground game. And they can be, they should be and they're just not. And it's frustrating to watch. And like, if you look back at Nick Sirianni's entire existence in Philadelphia, the Eagles have been a top five to top seven rushing team every year. The NFL, we are not there right now. And that's the biggest thing that makes throwing the ball so much freaking hard. You want to talk about Pat Mahomes brother? Pat had 45 pass attempts last week. Something like that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

What'd you get? You guys had like, What? Kareem had 14 runs.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't even know if he had that many.

[Travis Kelsey]

It is extremely hard in this league to be efficient on offense if you don't threaten the line of scrimmage. All the best offenses in the league do that. Well. Birds got the Cowboys this week in Dallas, where we've struggled at times. Dallas is. Even when they weren't a very good football team, they found out a way to get our number in Dallas multiple times in my career. And they are a good football team right now. Make no mistake about it, dude. Their offense is loaded for bear. They're playing better and better every week. They are fucking motivated as hell because they've lost a member of their team in a very tragic way. And you could tell, man, these guys were fucking ready to go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Shonheimer, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

And then defensively, Quinn and Williams, a big weakness of what Dallas has had really over the past five years has been the interior of that defense, the heart of the defense. They have not had great players across the board. Right. Their linebackers have been dwindled from their times of having outstanding linebackers with Sean Lee Vanderash before he started getting hurt. Now they got two. Now they got two. But more importantly, their D tackles, which have not been. They've been guys, but they have lacked the Chris Joneses, the Fletcher Cox, the Jalen Carter's, the Aaron Donalds, the. The Vita Vegas. They haven't had that, that presence in there. They got it now with Quinn and Williams. Make no mistake about it. He is the real deal. So this is a big matchup for the Eagles in division. The Cowboys are going to be fired up for sure. Can't wait to watch this one this week.

[Jason Kelsey]

Did you hit the tables?

[Travis Kelsey]

Of course.

[Jason Kelsey]

Of course he hit the table.

[Travis Kelsey]

But I do. This is what I do. I, I always make the mistake of not talking to a host and making sure I got enough funds. I hit the table, the craps tables, and I was out of quick and then I'm out of what I can burn at the atm. It's really not a mistake. It's a good safe.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, no, no. That's the, that's the way to do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a good safeguard from doing something really. Either you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Either you go through the roof and win like 30 times more than what you. Your ATM limit will allow you to, to take out, or you just walk away with your ATM limit. Yeah, I mean, that's it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think that's the way I got.

[Jason Kelsey]

To do Vegas, dude. Don't ever change that. Don't ever go.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can't go telling my bank ahead of time and having a no line of credit. Like, I gotta stay away from it.

[Jason Kelsey]

I gotta stay when.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, I kind of wanted to, though. I kind of.

[Jason Kelsey]

When you know, the hosts in Las.

[Travis Kelsey]

Vegas, I purposely don't. I don't have any host number in my phone because I don't want to be able to contact.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't look them in the eyes. Leave their card on the table. Don't act like you accidentally left it there.

[Travis Kelsey]

I've used one a couple times before, but it's. I'm very happy I was not ahead of schedule on this.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Do not. Do not. Nice. That's. That had to be fun. Where'd you stay?

[Travis Kelsey]

So we were at Resorts World.

[Jason Kelsey]

Ooh.

[Travis Kelsey]

Which. That was my first time there. It was nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

The High limits is nice, dude. They.

[Travis Kelsey]

They did a good job with that one. I've only.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

I've been to Vegas a bunch.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's the biggest of the fucking bunch. And it's just like it feels empty as hell at times.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

But I'll tell you what, that. The. What is it over there? The, the Concords. Concords. Dude, Concords is a good one.

[Travis Kelsey]

That was where I was like, oh, shit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay, this plays legit. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Doing it right. I've only ever stayed at the Cosmopolitan and the Wynn. I've been to Vegas a bunch, but I've only ever stayed in those two place. Great.

[Jason Kelsey]

Solid.

[Travis Kelsey]

They're fantastic. Resorts World was great. It was, they were. The service was fantastic. And yeah, the, the. It was. You could tell it was newer. I don't know when it was built, but the Concords was real nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, it's real nice. It's within. It's got to be 10 years now. But when I went it was within like five years. Yeah. Of it being built.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Extra crispy does sound good.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

All right, let's get to the rest of the NFL. We got a return of Jameis Winston, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, baby. Everybody's favorite quarterback.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love Jameis. The dubs are coming back.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. In the pregame proverbs. Fit pick, baby. The horse is prepared for battle, but the victory comes from the Lord.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hey, there we go.

[Jason Kelsey]

That'll boy. Hell yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

James.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's the best with the trench coat. Hey, Harlem. Shaking the out there. Hey, hey, that dirt off the shoulders player. Hey, What a guy, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, is there a better personality in the history of the NFL than James Woodson? I don't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know of any, man. I don't. I don't know of any. I can't think of any. You might be the only one. You might be the closest second dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

Greatest city in the world. Clip. Yeah, let's play that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I want fans to know that I'm gonna do my best. You know, obviously, I'm going to have fun, but I'm going to execute. Have a surgical execution and just. Just play ball, man. Like, this is something I've been doing since I've been four years old, and I just get to do it in the greatest city in the world. I'm gonna be saying it with my son. What's the greatest city in the world? That's a Hamilton reference. If y' all don't know, I didn't. I didn't know. And I've seen Hamilton. Thank you for the educators. Oh, my God. Gosh, man, just. I can only imagine what it's actually like to be in the locker room with that guy every single day, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Agree. It's got to be just the most exciting thing on the planet.

[Jason Kelsey]

NFL is just better when. When James is starting, man. It is.

[Travis Kelsey]

I agree.

[Jason Kelsey]

Staying on the Giants though, we had. We had a deep. No, dumb question from Cam. Scatter. Boo.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, let's hear it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you like, turn your head to eat a taco or do you turn the taco for you? Like, are you dominant to the taco or does the taco like, do you turn your head for the taco? It's about the dominance of the taco, though. Like if you're not. Not if you're turning the taco, you're dominating the taco.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know what he dominates more, linebackers or tacos.

[Jason Kelsey]

He also doesn't sound like he likes to keep what's in the taco in the taco.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's my thing. If it's a hard shell.

[Jason Kelsey]

Halfway, you got to give it like a good.

[Travis Kelsey]

I agree. I'm kind of a double. Yeah, I gotta get it like in there. I'm a. I'm a three quarter taco eater. Not overhand or submarine.

[Jason Kelsey]

What?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll dominate the taco by devouring the taco.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. No matter which way I turn the taco, I'm still eating that. Therefore I am the dominant one.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm a chew hard as so that taco knows who's boss, who's boss, and.

[Travis Kelsey]

Who just got dominated.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

What's your favorite kind of taco?

[Jason Kelsey]

My favorite taco. Give me you softer hard shell, Hard shell shell tacos. Yeah, hard shell taco. Just a classic ground of beef. I just love it, man. Just a simple lettuce, tomato, you name it. Yeah. Onions and no onions guy. I'm. I'm a guac guy. But pico de gallo. Yeah, I can do pico. I just can't do the long and I can't do like the long, slimy onions.

[Travis Kelsey]

I got you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, those things.

[Travis Kelsey]

So diced onions you're good with.

[Jason Kelsey]

With pico. Yeah, the pico. I can do it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Dude. I'm a big corn tortilla. I am a big taco guy. I love tacos. Taco Tuesday. It's taco any day. Don't limit me to tacos.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't you even. Yeah, I get tacos five days out of the week.

[Travis Kelsey]

If I. I'll dominate them, I'll let them dominate me. I don't turn down any taco.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

My favorite is El Pastor, for sure. I love Al Pastor. I will do. Especially if it's like an authentic.

[Jason Kelsey]

If it's like a street taco, I'm with it. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Pork, isn't it? I think it is.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sounds like I see it on the matter. What it is.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's great. Adobe season or adobo or whatever the heck it is. The red stuff.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Then the pineapple on it. Oh, gosh.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay. Pineapple.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, baby. I like pineapples on my tacos and my pizzas and pretty much anything. I'm very pro pineapple. I don't believe in limiting the pineapple's ability to go in anything. What's the best thing to have pineapple in? Man, I just love pineapple.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I don't think. I don't think there's a. There's a wrong answer to that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Trying to think, like a common thing. You have pineapples with, like. There's like the pineapple, like margarita, like the tropical drink that's in the pineapple. It's more of a gimmick.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I'm more. I'm more pairing things with, like, the pineapple and food, not necessarily drinks.

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you a fresh pineapple? You a canned pineapple?

[Jason Kelsey]

Fresh pineapple.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right hand pineapples. I can't believe we used to eat that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I can, because those were good too. But.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. And it was also way easier for dad to just go get dole. Canned pineapple.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Stole it. Only I'll do. I'll drink a stolidoli.

[Travis Kelsey]

What's a stolidoli? Is that a thing?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

And they call it a stolidoli.

[Jason Kelsey]

Stolidoli.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's pineapple juice and stoli.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep. Vodka aged in. In a big old barrel of pineapple.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, so it's infused.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, okay. Okay. Dole whip is very good. Isn't that coconut, too? It's like coconut and pineapple. Or is it it? What is dole whip? Because dole whip isn't ice cream. Do you know we're talking about.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I put it in there.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's just the Disneyland thing. That's the. Well, they have it else place. They have it at the shore, too. I'll get at the shore as well. Oh, I believe the base is like a coconut type thing, but yeah, it's. It's delicious.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's the best.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Also, pineapple and fried rice is pretty good. Pineapple fried rice is very good. Were we talking about football?

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

Spitgate Part 2. Dude, what the fuck is happening? What is happening in the NFL? We got Jalen Carter spitting, Dak Prescott spitting on the floor. Now Jamar Chase is spitting on Jalen Ramsey.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know what the situation is.

[Travis Kelsey]

I feel like you don't know what the situation is. Travis. There's a whole video.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, I'm saying I don't know what the reasoning for spitting on someone.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's never a reason.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why is there ever a reason to spit on.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is my thing. When did we. The last person I remember spitting in the NFL was Bill Romanowski. Now all of a sudden, we got three spitters. We got people just spitting left. And what are we doing, guys? I thought Mike Tomlin had a great way of saying, like, what you do if somebody spits at you?

[Jason Kelsey]

You know, I have no message. If someone spits in your face, do what comes natural.

[Travis Kelsey]

If you could spit on. Should you be able to react without getting a flag? I think so.

[Jason Kelsey]

But then it's like, there's a whole, like, section of, like, oh, this happens. You can react however well.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, if somebody punches you in the face, you're not allowed to punch him back.

[Jason Kelsey]

No.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're not allowed to.

[Jason Kelsey]

No. If you punch it back, you get ejected, too.

[Travis Kelsey]

Even if they started it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. It's got to be open hand, open hand, you're good. It's just a 15y, but if you close that fist, you punch them out of the game.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, I guess it's probably good practice to just not encourage reactions. And I get. I mean, listen, you get spit on, you'd like to think you'd be able to hold your composure, but, dude, that's just, like, such a disrespectful, disgusting thing to do. I don't like that this has now become a thing. I think that we need to do our best as NFL players to not continue this trend because it's just not appropriate, not good. Other big games and stories. Bills 44, bucks 32. The Josh Allen droll. And they struggled for a couple games there, but they've been back on the Bills train. They're rolling right now. Rams 21, Seahawks 19. This is my favorite game of the weekend, be honest with you. Outside of the Lions and Eagles game, I really thought the Rams would win this game. They're my sleeper in the NFC right now is like, not a lot of people are talking about them that much, but they're good at everything they do. They have a tremendous quarterback, a great defense. And the Seahawks, I've been waiting to see what they look like against a really good team because defensively, they got some really good players. Darnold, it's like, okay, how's he going to perform under pressure? And Listen, Darnold threw four picks, but they lost this game 21 to 19, and they threw four interceptions. If I'm Seattle, I'm like, bro, we just cleaned this up. We can beat anybody.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, they had a chance to win it at the end, right. I know they lost on a field goal.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Came down to the very end of it. So I think that both of these teams are for real this year. It was an outstanding game to watch, great defense. I don't like watching low scoring games, but I like when guys are flying around and making plays. And that's what this was on both sides.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And then, yeah, we finally got to see the Shador Sanders experience, albeit not the most set up for success. Way possible going in mid game. Tough situation for any backup. Everybody's making a big deal that he doesn't get first team rep reps in practice. This is the way it works, people.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, that's.

[Travis Kelsey]

Quarterback doesn't get reps. There's not enough reps that the starters can get.

[Jason Kelsey]

You got to be ready, man. You got to be ready.

[Travis Kelsey]

So that's part of the circumstances. But I think they've said that Gabriel's in the concussion protocol and Sanders looks like he's going to play this week, so he's going to get a lot of rips this week and we'll get to see what it really looks like this coming week with Shador Sanders.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's go.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, that's it for both topics. Brought to you by kfc.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, let's wrap this up with some stamps of the week, baby steps of the week brought to you by audible. I'm keeping my stamp of the week in the tight end world, as I typically do, baby. Always showing love to the tes. And this is the biggest, baddest tight end in the National Football League. Darnell Washington out of Georgia University, the Pittsburgh Steeler tight end. Man, the guy is an absolute beast. He had himself quite a day, but this play right here where he's stiff arming three defenders in a row, man, it's just. If you're watching this clip, man, you're. You loved how guy plays football, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, I'm happy you're giving it to Darnell. I gave him the hemi on Monday night. I mean, this play is unbelievable, but this dude does so much for the offense that doesn't get noticed. He is a stealer, you know, I mean, when you think of a Steeler.

[Jason Kelsey]

Steeler, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

You think of a guy that's going to physically get after people. He gets after him in the run game, and clearly he gets after him when he's caught the ball. He does all the dirty work. Just like a guy that doesn't get all the attention. He should love this stamp for sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

This dude, man, look at my dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

Holy trucking dudes.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hurdling dudes. This is on a third and 15, and he's only like five yards downfield. The guy's just giving all the effort in the world to get a first down.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love it.

[Jason Kelsey]

What an epic pick, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

There we go, baby. You know what? I'm gonna keep my stamp of the week in the tight end room as well. I'm going with a guy who has been known to do some tush pushes as a tight end.

[Jason Kelsey]

Ooh, I know exactly where you're going.

[Travis Kelsey]

Mark Andrews and the Baltimore Ravens for executing the fake tush push in epic fashion. Everybody's like, oh, the tush pushes it. A football play. Oh, it's not pretty. It's not schematic. It's not strategic. It's not cool. Well, check out my man Mark Edge. Little misdirection, opens the opposite way, swings out to the right side of the line and into the end zone. They fucking won the game on a fake tush push.

[Jason Kelsey]

Epic. Epic.

[Travis Kelsey]

Love it. Love it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Mark Andrews, the way he spun out of there, looks like he's ran a little bit of triple option in his day, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

I love the design. Love the design.

[Jason Kelsey]

This dude Mark is so hype when he gets into this dude. Two. Two minutes left in the game. Fourth and one. Are you kidding me? Fire me up, baby. Let's go, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's getting his Baker Mayfield on right there. All right, now that does it for stamp of the week, brought to you by audible. And that also does it for this episode of New Heights. Reminder. Heights holiday hot takes hotline is coming out this Friday. Our conversation with Aaron Andrews and Chris Krista Thompson is coming out on Monday. Hey, so make sure you're subscribed to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow new Heights in the Wonder app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen new episodes of New Heights ad free right now by joining Wondering plus on the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.

[Jason Kelsey]

Once again, New Heights, a wonder show brought to you by Adobe Acrobat Studio. Follow the show on all social media at new heights show with 1s. And thanks to the New Heights production team for always making us look great. And thank you to the 90 for always tuning in. Can't wait to see you guys next week.

[Travis Kelsey]

Enjoy some football. Football. 92 percenter. Guys and girls.

[Jason Kelsey]

You were looking sharp last night. It was something about, like, the. When they blacked out the stadium and they had the lights, the, like, phone lights going on behind you at, like, halftime. Yeah, look magical, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, it's a fun environment there in Vegas. They know how to do it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who's the halftime Nelly? What?

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right. Nelly. Underlay. Underlay, Mama. Here, here. Yep. No, it was a good one.

[Jason Kelsey]

My first game out of COVID Because Covid year was the first year that Allegiant Stadium was up and running. We go up there, we come out of halftime, love is what I got. A little sublime.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Yeah. Dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was like, where the am? I felt like I was at, like, a basket game.

[Travis Kelsey]

It does feel like that, dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, it definitely. Like you're coming out and all of a sudden you're like, am I playing for the Beers?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. What is the one guy's name? Squeak. God damn it. Squeak.

[Jason Kelsey]

It. Steve Perry. Steve Perry. God damn. I gotta watch that movie again. See if Taylor likes that movie. Should just see me laughing at everything and have a good time.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, this is. This is what he likes. I get it. The mascot is pissing into a urinal. It's clever.

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