Jim Nantz on The Masters, John Daly's Guide to Life, Moon Eras, TikTok Algorithms & More | Ep 186

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce — Ep 186

Jim Nantz on The Masters, John Daly's Guide to Life, Moon Eras, TikTok Algorithms & More
Release Date: April 8, 2026

Episode Overview

In this Masters week special, Super Bowl-winning brothers Jason and Travis Kelce invite legendary broadcaster Jim Nantz and golf icon John Daly for lively, wide-ranging conversations covering everything from Augusta National traditions to unfiltered life philosophies, football memories, and the TikTok rabbit hole. Interspersed with their trademark brotherly banter, the Kelces offer a peek into the worlds of elite sports, memorable family moments, and sports fandom—all with a humor and warmth that makes you feel like part of the crew.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Masters Week: A Behind-the-Scenes Look

• The Allure of Augusta National
  • Travis talks about returning to the Masters, his previous visit post-Covid, and his excitement to experience the full grand spectacle with fans (11:30).
  • Jason highlights the unique “no phones” rule at Augusta, which he says creates real community and presence, making the event stand apart from any other in sports (13:21).
• What Makes the Masters Unique
  • John Daly: “It’s the only major that never leaves home… It stays in the same spot every year.” He adds that selling his own merchandise and meeting fans is an essential part of his Masters week (61:22).
  • Jim Nantz expresses awe over the long-standing traditions and storytelling opportunities unique to the Masters, sharing how it shaped his broadcasting career.

2. Jim Nantz: The Voice of Sports

• “Hello, Friends”: The Backstory
  • Nantz reveals his iconic greeting was a personal message to his father battling Alzheimer’s, which became his signature after viewers responded to the heartfelt message (20:38).

    “That became my line to him so that he knew I was thinking of him when I came on the air.” — Jim Nantz (20:41)

• Organic Broadcasting vs. Scripting
  • Nantz says most of his memorable calls (Super Bowl, Masters) are organic, born from “calling it from my heart” (24:10).
    Example: “When Nicole Hardman caught the winning touchdown… I said, given it was in Las Vegas, ‘Jackpot. Kansas City again.’ I didn’t have that one pre-planned.” (25:18)
• Living the Dream
  • Nantz shares how he and Fred Couples, as college roommates, declared their ambitions (him to broadcast, Couples to win the Masters) and how they realized both dreams in 1992 (33:07–34:34).
• Favorite Masters Moments
  • Nantz recounts his personal “Mount Rushmore” of Masters moments, including the 1986 Nicklaus win, Tiger in 1997 and 2019, and more (39:32–44:16).
• Family & Legacy
  • On the role of family in driving his career: “Family is love and love is family. And if you’re surrounded, you understand. The world is like that.” (47:41)
  • Nantz expresses his gratitude for being part of such a storied sporting history and discusses dealing with critics and maintaining pride in one’s work (44:45–47:07).

3. John Daly: A Life Lived “Grip It and Rip It”

• Life Philosophy
  • Daly explains why he’s so beloved by fans: “I always played for ’em and… I’ve never lied to them. If I screw up, I tell them I screw up and apologize and move on.” (62:14)
• Unconventional Training Regimen
  • On his famous pre-round routine: “I just smoke cigarettes and look at the putting green or practice get away from the putting green.” (71:03)
  • On lifestyle: “I believe caffeine, nicotine, equal protein.” (63:01)
• On Golf & Youth Play
  • Daly laments that young players focus too much on driving distance. “All they want to do is go to driving range and beat a driver 320 yards. But 100 yard chip shot, they’re missing the green... if you ain’t got a short game, what’s the use?” (76:08)
• Advice to Amateur Golfers
  • Recommends focusing on “low and slow and finish the backswing” for driving, but insists short game is the real key to breaking 80 (63:36).
• Father-Son Dynamic
  • Daly shares amusing anecdotes about his son, also an aspiring pro golfer: “He’ll listen to everybody but me” (69:49).
• On Workouts
  • Daly jokes about opening a “John Daly Gym-lazium Bar” where the treadmill has an ashtray and a cup holder (73:06).

    “If I knew I was going to live to be this old, I’d have taken worse care.” — John Daly (71:49)

4. Kelce Brothers' Banter: From Space Flight to TikTok

• The Moon, Space Dreams & Being “Too Tall”
  • Travis learns he’s too tall for NASA’s astronaut requirements (6'3" max). Jason jabs, “Too tall. Trash, yeah.” (05:53)
• Family Stories
  • Jason introduces his new German Shepherd puppy, Frida (“Freddy”), rescued via a local shelter (09:45).
• Social Media & Algorithms
  • The Kelces discuss what side of TikTok (or Reels) they’re on—golf content, comedy bits, DIY, otters, billiards (85:38–89:08).
    • Jason: “Currently, I’m on the side of TikTok that doesn’t watch TikTok. I only post on TikTok. I don’t scroll.” (86:11)
    • Travis: “Mine are rodeos, guys getting slung off bulls, otters, as we all know, and then just sports… and comedy bits.” (87:30–88:02)

5. Masters Traditions & Recommendations

• Jim Nantz’s Tips for First-Time Broadcaster at the Masters
  • Focus on two things: the player-caddie dynamic, especially if the caddie is a family member, and how players feel heading into the tournament (57:11).
• John Daly’s Augusta Tips
  • Practice rounds best for spectators; recommends visiting his “Top Dog” bar for classic Daly hospitality (81:47).
  • “You won’t be able to take your phone in and all that stuff… but you can see the guys practice. That’s what’s really cool.” (81:50)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jim Nantz on “Hello, Friends” Origin (20:38)

  “That became my line to him so that he knew I was thinking of him when I came on the air.”

• Jim Nantz on the Storytelling Craft (24:10)

  “…In golf, I like to say I’m calling it from my heart, and what I see is what I feel, and I’m going to let my heart speak.”

• John Daly on Diet & Training (63:01)

  “I believe caffeine, nicotine, equal protein.”

• Daly on the Modern Game (76:08)

  “If you ain’t got a short game, what’s the use?”

• Kelce Brothers on Family Support (49:17)

  Travis: “Those moments where you come out of that game and you see the ones that are there to support you… it’s the most beautiful thing that I could have ever asked for in my life is the fact that I have that much support from family and friends.”

• Nantz on Dreaming Big (34:38)

  “Strong testament to how dreams can come true. You got to dream big for them to come true.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |---------|-------------------------------------------------------| | 04:46 | Show preview, Masters week setup | | 11:30 | Travis on Augusta National and Masters excitement | | 13:21 | Jason on Augusta’s traditions and “no phone” rules | | 19:32 | Jim Nantz interview begins | | 20:38 | "Hello, Friends" — origin story | | 24:10 | Nantz on preparing for iconic calls organically | | 39:32 | Nantz’s personal favorite Masters moments | | 61:22 | John Daly on why the Masters is special | | 62:14 | Daly on connecting with fans | | 71:03 | Daly’s unfiltered training & round routine | | 73:06 | Daly jokes about his fantasy “gym-lazium bar” | | 76:08 | Daly on the evolution of the game & youth focus | | 85:38 | “No Dumb Questions” & TikTok algorithm chat | | 86:37 | Jason describes personal (non-TikTok) social feeds |

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Additional Highlights

• The brothers compare the broad spectrum of golf culture—propriety and decorum at Augusta vs. John Daly’s offbeat, everyman appeal.
• Nantz offers advice to Jason on broadcasting the Masters par-3 contest: interview on caddie stories and the mindset heading in (57:11).
• Daly says the secret to being a fan favorite is authenticity—no lies, no secrets; just living life unapologetically (62:14).
• Travis’s and Jason’s feeds are full of golf, sports, and DIY—“the standup bits are always entertaining to me,” says Travis (88:02).
• Daly reminisces about his brief football career, barefoot kicking, and shares stories about his son’s golf journey (66:04, 69:18).

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The episode is filled with warmth, authenticity, and humor. Jim Nantz is reflective, wise, and sentimental, offering emotional stories from his storied broadcasting life and the importance of family and dreams. John Daly is hilarious, raucous, and irreverent—a true character whose love for fans and passion for life come through in every story. The Kelces, as always, serve as both loving brothers and curious sports fans, asking the questions every listener would want to and sharing their own relatably messy and joyous journey in sports and beyond.

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Best For:

• Golf fans hungry for real Masters stories and personalities
• Sports aficionados who love inside stories about fame, family, and legacy
• Anyone seeking comedic, authentic sports talk with uplifting life lessons

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Closing Note

This Masters special is New Heights at its best—fun, honest, and unexpectedly poignant, with conversations that span from the nuts and bolts of elite competition to the power of family, dreams, and just simply enjoying the ride.

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Selected Quote to End:

“Family is love and love is family. And if you’re surrounded, you understand. The world is like that.” — Jim Nantz (47:41)

Transcript

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We get the full breath. We're gonna get it all.

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And that's just who we are as people. Jason, everything we've talked to Jim about, man, felt it in my heart, man. That guy could see speaks to the heart. We share a lot of the similar, similar, like family and, and. And desire for the love of what we do. And then, you know, I, I get it. John. I want to be at a bar that's in a fitness center. You know, I wanna. I want there to be a treadmill while I'm drinking a Guinness. You know, I want there to, you

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know, I want my cake and eat it too. I want to smoke a cig and

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hit a ball as far as I can.

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I. I got nothing to add. I'm right there with you. I think that's one of the. That's one of the cool things about golf, just in general. I think that is like, you know, you got your character like John Daly, who I think in a lot of ways is very just like unhinged and,

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and everybody loves him for being wild.

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Everybody loves him for being who he is. And you got Jim Nance about his dialed in of a storyteller and, you know, touching on all these different walks of life. And it's pretty wild that the sport has that breath. You got your muni lot with your hair down and your no rules, and then you can be in the grounds of Augusta where you got to have a jacket on the moment you step foot. And there's a lot of rules and decorum in place to protect something that's pretty sacred. So, yeah, it's a pretty awesome game for that.

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All right, all right. Let's get into this thing, dude. Welcome back to New Heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, this is a wondry show brought to you by AT T. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jason Kelsey, my big brother out at Cleveland Heights, Ohio, man, made it back to the land. Saw the guards get a dub against the Cubs, baby.

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Subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at new Height show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, let's. Let's tell the people how amazing this show is going to be today.

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Oh, yeah, baby. We got another great episode for you 92 percenters. We're going to get out of the house. We're also going to answer some of your no dumb questions. And it's Masters week, so we got two incredible guests. Jim Nance and John Daly are here. Quite the combo. All right, let's get right into this with a little bit of that new news. All righty. New news is brought to you by American Express. Travis is going to the moon.

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I am? Yeah.

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NASA replied. NASA replied to one of your tweets. I don't know if you saw this. Please put this up on the screen. Brandon, I was about to say I

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haven't tweeted since 2010, so this is

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a doozy from 2010. The moon looks crazy tonight. I'm gonna chill out here for a little and just visualize my success and vibe to the scenery.

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Yeah, I still do that often.

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And NASA said it's been a long time.

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Long time coming. I hear you. I hear you, NASA. I hear what you're doing. I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. I want to go to the moon.

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Well, I got bad news for you, Travis. You're too big.

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That's.

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Do you know that Per cat. I can't see the screen. On this screen, the username, but we'll just say per cat. Please let Travis know he's too big for space. Yes, there are strict height limits for astronauts to ensure they fit into the spacecraft suits and workstations. NASA generally requires candidates to stand between 5 foot 2 and 6 foot 3. So you are too tall. Not too tall. Jones. Too tall. Trash. Yeah. Two told.

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Yeah, this is. This is some. Some good BS right here. No way. I believe that. But also, you know, this is one of the Ed Kelsey's favorite slogans, man. You know, life isn't fair, so don't

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ever think it is.

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You don't get to do what you want to do when you have jeans such as Mama Kelsey's Blalock jeans that make you 6, 5 or 6, 4, and 7, 8.

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Yeah, yeah. It's mostly from mom's side, for sure.

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Yeah. You know, it's still a dream.

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Hopefully there's weight restrictions, so I can just not even have to ever think about it.

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What do you think of this? Artemis 2 going. Going to the moon.

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Jason, I love it. I'm a big fan of us going places with rockets.

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Rockets.

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I don't know who I was listening to if it was Neil, degrasse Tyson or somebody who. You know, there's a lot of people I think are upset with the money expenditure on going to space and doing these things that they don't really see the upside in the investment and I think that somebody way smarter in this space than me was talking about just the amount of inventions and innovations that have taken place with the human desire to go places they've never been to, that NASA has gone through to make safe space travel safer, more effective, more efficient. I think it's. I don't know that it's a net loss the way people think that it is. No, And I. I like discovery. Right. It would have been crazy to be alive when Christopher Columbus gave word of the new world over there in the West.

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Allegedly. But I hear what you're going with.

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The.

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The. What is it Lewis? Clark. What's the other Clark?

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Lewis and Clark. Yeah.

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Lewis and Clark. That's what it is.

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Yeah. Lewis going west. Yeah.

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That's not. I don't think that's the same thing. Where are you going? I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm. I'm pro. Discovering new stuff. I think it's cool.

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So you don't.

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You don't think we've been to the moon?

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Well, I think we haven't been in a while, and we. We've. We've kind of pushed the pause button on going and doing things in space to this degree, so I think going to the moon, I'd love to see us go to Mars. Still want to see that happen in my lifetime. I think that it's. It's awesome that we're. We're back in the moon's orbit.

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There you go. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, it went up in the air, right?

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That.

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It hasn't shown anything come down yet.

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Travis. It's. It's orbiting as we speak.

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Nice.

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It's up there.

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It's epic. Can't wait to see figs. Jason, I think we all know this in house, but you guys got a new dog.

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We did get a new dog.

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You guys are.

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We got a German shepherd.

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Nice.

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We were talking about it last week, weren't we? Did that go on air? Did it?

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We weren't recording when we talked about it. The news hadn't broken it. Kylie broke the news on her show.

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Oh, yeah, of course.

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Scooped us. She scooped us.

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All right. Well, then she can have it.

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Yeah. No, we got a new dog. You want to see it?

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I mean, if it's a puppy, I would love to see it. Who doesn't love puppies?

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I'll go get. I'll go get. All right.

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Oh, look at that pup.

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That's right. This is Frida.

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Frida.

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Or as everyone is calling Freddy. Everyone is calling her Freddy around the house.

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Where did Frida come from?

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She's a rescue from. What is it? The spca. I always get that mixed up. But there's a litter. That was a PCs. Pca. PCs. Pspca. Pspc. Anyways, yeah, no, we went down. We got this beautiful dog here. I am calling her Gunda. Gunda, because I like that name better. Gunda. Gunda, sit. Gunda, sit.

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Are you speaking to another accent?

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She's German, right? Gunda. You're telling Uncle Travis, not Gunda.

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It's not Gunda.

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It's Freddy, Freddie. Nice. I like Freddy. Freddy's a girl.

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Frida is a girl. Freddy is the nickname, but, yes.

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I think to everybody that hasn't been to the Masters, it's just a. It's a event second to none. The way it's done. There's nothing else like it. Like, there's obviously great history in it dating back to what, 1934. You know, it's special not just because of the. How incredible the course is, but how it's run by Augusta National. All the people in the hospitality, a bunch of teachers take on second jobs because they're on spring break. So a lot of the workers there are actually school teachers in the surrounding community. There's obviously everything that happens at the course, but then outside of that, there's so many parties and events and concerts and homes that are throwing things all week long down there. It's really turned into such a week of just, I mean, festivities that it's.

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It's the super bowl of the. Of golf. You know, it's. It's the biggest tournament. It's the biggest showing. It's the. It's the top players in the world that know this is the one that considers, like, determines the greatness and the greatest that have ever played this game.

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And there's something really beautiful with the no phones thing, and, like, there's so many things that everybody goes. I mean, I went to Sunrise Mass this past week, and, you know, we're all taking pictures of the sunrise, and it's. It's beautiful. But the fact that you're not allowed to have your phone in there makes everybody be present in a way that's very one just breathtaking because you have to take in the scenery, in the moment, in the shots, but also that you're all doing it together. There's like a. Just this very communal aspect of the love of golf that has every walk of life down there. You know, CEOs or guys that won their tickets in a raffle, and everybody's in the same position, and, you know, whoever puts their chair down first, that's going to be their spot. You know, that's what the tradition is. And it just. It's. It's a really awesome event and something that I don't think really replicates that I've seen. I'm really excited to do that. I'm excited. Again, I keep mentioning these pimento cheese sandwiches. I'm definitely getting another one of them. Start stacking cups. I mean, I'm going to be broadcasting the par three, as everybody knows. So I'm excited to see that for the first time and to get a chance to chop it up with some of the best players in the world.

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I'll say this. I've had the pleasure of fucking meeting a lot of these guys on the PGA Tour, man. And a lot of the guys on live tour, it's hard to say I'm rooting for just one guy or I think this guy will win it because I don't want to shortchange anybody else that I've had that I have like a relationship, a good relationship with. But I am, I'm pretty pumped to see this year's Masters just because of, you know, where golf is right now and how everybody the, the love and the infatuation that everybody has with it. I mean, this year alone you've seen guys like LeBron come out and just be. Just the love of the game has just taken him and thrown him into the world of golf. And I think all around right now, like the excitement of golf is at a, is at an all time high. And I think that's going to create a crazy and fun atmosphere for these PGA guy or these guys at the Masters that are the top in the world to really go out there and hit some fucking amazing shots, man. And I'm fucking pumped for it.

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It was always Apple. I just remembered how cool the logo was, man. The apple with the rainbow colors on it on that like desktop computer, man. And then they went to like the really cool translucent, like you could like see through it and it had the cool shapes and everything. And then it just kept evolving.

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It had that great built in Pong game, right, that you would go back and forth on.

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Come on.

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Please welcome Jim.

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Welcome to the show, baby.

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Well, hey.

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Hello friends. What an introduction. My gosh, man, my head's so big right now. I'm not going to be able to fit in the butler cabin this week. But I am so thrilled to be on with the Kelce brothers. Obviously I know you both. For years I've loved being able to meet with you guys in a variety of places. I'm really proud of your story. Your whole Cleveland Heights, come on, baby journey with a lot of stops in between. You're awesome. And thanks for having me on, man. This was, this is my way to start the Masters week right here.

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Let's go, man.

[D]

And start a whole new tradition unlike any other. Let's do it.

[C]

We're so pumped up, man. Jim, thank you for even considering coming on here. We've, we've always been huge, huge fans of your big guy. And this is, this is really cool, man. But you got to tell me that. What's the secret to a good hello, Friends? Because it's so iconic and you do. There's nobody that does it any, like, anywhere close to you.

[D]

Well, let me just say this. I never had any intention of this becoming a thing, but years ago, and I'm not trying to make this too somber, I celebrate my father all the time. He's been gone a long time, but he battled Alzheimer's, and he was his late stages fighting Alzheimer's a quarter century ago. And that became my line to him so that he knew I was thinking of him when I came on the air.

[C]

So it gave me chills.

[D]

I know how close you guys are to your mom and dad. And that became a thing at a, at a golf event, a PGA Championship. And I told him, I'm going to come on the air, I'm going to say, hello, friends, Jim Nance here. Along with time, it was Lanny Watkins, great guy. And I said, when I say that, I'm thinking of you as kind of channeling you.

[C]

That's so awesome. Are you kidding me?

[D]

Said it after we came on air. And after the show, someone said, I heard you say, hello, friends. What's that all about? And I told the backstory and they said, you ought to say that every show. So I started saying it. It took about three years before people actually said, you know what? You're saying that all the time.

[C]

Right?

[D]

You know that one little footnote to this, I. There were a lot of people that were creating merch, particularly Masters Week, that had hello, Friends. And it looked like people thought I was. I was doing it, I was creating it, I wasn't. And so my manager said, you ought to trademark it, so we ought to get the copyright on that. So we went through that, a six month search, and we found it. We found somebody possessed it. A negotiation took place. And the lawyer called me and, you know, I've been writing checks to the lawyer here as he's been working on this thing. And he said, I've got some good news and bad news. We found it. We've. We found the people to own it. They're willing to deal with us. And I negotiated with them. And I said, look, I told you, I'll pay a lot of money for this.

[B]

Yeah, his personal.

[D]

And they said, it's going to cost you 664. And I said, 664,000. He said, no, $664. I said, wait, I paid you. I paid you $25,000 to write a check for $663. And I can't give the name away, but I can give you some hints. I bought it from a television superstar who owned it.

[A]

This is.

[D]

Yeah, wrote the check, did the whole thing, and now I own it. So when anybody says, hello, friends, like you did, Jason, to the top. Yeah, I'll give you the address. You got to send me a check for 25.

[A]

You got it. You got it. I'll bring it down to the historic Butler cabin and pay it off.

[D]

That's it.

[A]

Are you constantly thinking about, like, tags and slogan, like you've had so many times throughout your career where you're in the middle of a game and it feels like it just comes to you? Do you pre plan a lot of these things before the games, or is a lot of it just coming natural?

[D]

Let me ask you this. On the eve of games, did you ever kind of run through the game in your mind and actually see the play so vividly in your head you felt like you were actually playing it, but you were asleep and you could actually see yourself moving and how you were going to react and how you were going to perform on that play. I do the same thing before every show. It is not scripting, but I think of scenarios. I think of what happens if Tiger wins. What's that going to feel like? What are the stories I'm going to want to get into? But those taglines, particularly at Augusta, and like I said, I've been doing it for 40 years, most of them are, on the moment, organic. This is what I feel. I don't have notes in front of me a couple of times. I will have some background stories that I. I have written down. I want to make sure I get to it. But unlike a football game where I'm working off of spotting boards, in golf, I like to say I'm calling it from my heart, and what I see is what I feel, and I'm going to let my heart speak. So if Rory knocks in a putt to complete the career grand slam. As we witnessed a year ago, it struck me at the time to say, the long journey is over. McElroy has his masterpiece. I had not written that down. I had not gone to bed thinking exactly what I was going to say, but I kind of was noodling on the idea of masterpiece. But the words just kind of came out most of the time. That's the way it is. And it's. It's like my last super bowl that I called. I've had the pleasure calling seven of them. Was, was the game in Las Vegas.

[C]

I know it very fondly.

[D]

When Nicole Hardman caught the winning touchdown in overtime. I said, given it was in Las Vegas, jackpot. Kansas City again. I didn't have that one pre planned. And this is what happened after that. I went up on the victory platform and someone, someone started singing Viva Las Vegas.

[C]

I let that run out a little too long. I apologize about that.

[D]

It was perfect. We've had some great moments on those, those platforms then.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you enough for giving me those platforms, man. Those are the ones I remember the most.

[D]

One time, whatever. There was a show premiering on CBS after an AFC championship game. So, you know, you don't realize, you realize it now, but you got someone not running commentary, but a producer telling you where you need to go next. So I got up there with the Lamar Hunt trophy and I've got, I got Clark Hunt and I've got Andy over here and I got Patrick. And you're on the outside of Patrick and they're telling me we got to get through this, make it really fast. No follow up questions. Just one question to the coach and one question to Pat. We're out of here and we've got to get up there. They got to get to this programming. While the audience is sizable.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Kind of giving them a little nod. They know that's for them. And, and Patrick answers a question and I'm looking at you as he's answering it, letting you know I'm coming to you next. And they're saying to my ear, do not, do not go another question. So I said, hey, before we go, Travis, come over here real quick. And this was the first time.

[C]

Oh yeah.

[D]

You went on the you've got a fight for your right party. But the f in fight dragged on so long.

[C]

I'll tell you what, it's been seven years coming, baby. I learned one thing since I've been here.

[A]

You gotta fight for your right to fight.

[D]

And I thought not only Have I been guilty of insubordination? I've just walked into an F bomb on the CBS Television network, maybe. And I was so relieved that the word came out with an fi instead of an F. Whatever. And it was, you gotta fight for your right to party. And I said, you gotta. We're out of here. James Brown, back to you. And you made the whole thing sing.

[A]

That's awesome.

[D]

I remember. The other one was the Cincinnati Mayor.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

I brought you in and you said, hey, you big jabroni. Shut your mouth, you big Gibron. Head to the Cincinnati Mayor.

[C]

Know your role and shut your mouth, baby. Shout out to the rock. Yeah.

[D]

I have to admit, Jason, I wasn't sure what a jabroni was at the time.

[A]

This isn't good.

[C]

You had to be late 90s, early 2000s wrestling fan to know that one.

[D]

It was perfect.

[C]

I've been known through my. My friend's parents as the worst influence on my friends because of insubordination. So thank you for trusting me on the stage with the mic.

[D]

You dragged me into that, too. Friends and subordination. That's good. I'm happy to have that title.

[A]

Do you ever find yourself. Because we've all. When we were growing up or playing certain sports, you almost comment the game to yourself, right? Like, I remember playing basketball in the backyard, and my guy, there's 10 seconds left. Five, four. And he said it. He's hit the game. When you're playing golf, are you ever calling the game to yourself? Is that where you're. Are you that into it?

[D]

This is hilarious now. Not now, but I will call. I will call shots of the people I'm playing with.

[C]

Oh, yeah, we've seen.

[D]

For whatever reason, I get such a charge out of it. The other day, I was playing. I was down here at Troubadour in Tennessee and was there with Luke Ryan and Golden Tate, and they said, hey, would you mind? Yeah. So I did it. It ended up on. On Instagram.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

I. I just. Which I'm fine with. I think every kid had those voices in their head. Jace. I think. I think we all put ourselves in that arena where the world was watching us, and we've tried to figure out what that would feel like.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And I think, like, take the Masters field this week. Every single one of those players, Scottie, Scheffler, Rory, all of them. Bryson, I guarantee you that as young kids, they stood over four footers on a practice putting green over and over again, obsessing with what that moment would be like. And they had someone doing the commentary in their head saying, this is to win the Masters Tournament. I know I did.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

But no more. Now I sometimes will do it because my game has fallen off a cliff and to try to like, bring a little laughter and lower expectations, I will just play with some buddies or people for the first time. I'll walk up to the, to the, to the shot and I'll say, now, Nance, looking down that right side of the fairway, Trevor, it looks like he's gonna driver. I'm just trying to take the pressure off a shot that's destined to rope, hook, out of bounds, or bomb it right out of bounds. And now I think those voices are real for anybody as competed at a high level.

[C]

You called your first masters at 26 years old. I cannot fathom that. I was just trying to be professional. And you were like the peak of like a professional at 26 year old. How did that feel?

[D]

Well, truth is, I was scared out of my mind. And now all these Years later, I'm 66. And this will be number 41, which will be the new record. I came into the week with 40 with the great Vern Lundquist. We both had done 40. This will be my 41st. Not that anybody cares about those records, but when they entrusted me, I truly thought CBS had lost its mind.

[C]

What are you.

[D]

Don't you guys realize? I was living in a dormitory just a few years ago on the University of Houston campus. What am I doing here?

[A]

This is nuts.

[D]

But of course, I acted like I. It's no big deal. No big deal. You know, you may not know this, but Freddie Couples and I, I shared a dorm room at Houston. And so, you know, he, he was a great help to me on the mental side of this because he was already on the tour. He just kept telling me when I first started at cbs, just keep. What I do is, I just keep saying, like a broken record. It's no big deal. It's no big deal. It's no big deal. And I got that from Fred. I got that, actually when I went to New York to audition for the job and Fred happened to be staying at my house at the time. How cool is this? You know, Freddie's getting back into the field, of course, as a past champions. And I trust you guys are just barely old enough to appreciate the greatness of Fred and how cool he was on a golf course.

[C]

Smoothest swing in the world.

[A]

Yeah, I could watch him warm up all day.

[D]

Oh, coolest guy of all time. And when we Arrived on the Houston campus as two of the seven freshmen for Dave Williams and his legendary golf program, which won 13 national championships. I had nothing to do with that, by the way, but I lettered. But he had the freshmen come in and introduce one another. Just breaking the ice. And he said, guys, I want you to stand up. Boys, stand up. And just give me basically name, rank and serial number and what your goal is in your life. And I was not overconfident, but I just said, I'm Jim Nance. My goal in life is to one day work for cbs. I want to broadcast the Masters tournament.

[A]

What?

[D]

That was always my goal. And I love biology, parenthetically too. Driven by that, obsessed with that idea. Because I love the way they broadcast the NFL. Some are all at Madden, some are all in Brookshire. That was my network. But I love the way they presented the Masters in the NFL. So anyway, that was my declaration. The fourth guy down stood bashfully and said, I'm Fred Couples from Seattle, Washington, and one day I want to win the Masters. And do you know, we ended up

[C]

in the same dorm suite.

[D]

The coach was a genius. I. We have Blaine McAllister in our. In our dorm, roomed with, with. With Blaine, one of my all time closest friends. He won five tour events. And John Horn, who played on the tour a couple years. So the four of us were roommates all through school and, you know, we got to sit there and talk about a dream that had the same landing spot, Butler Cabin. Fred wanted to win it. I wanted to be in that cabin to present it. And as weird as this sounds, I don't know, this is the kind of hijinks you guys were up to at Fremont Heights High School. But we practiced the green jacket ceremony when we were kids in college, of course.

[C]

That's so cool, man. Hell yeah.

[D]

And lo and behold, in 1992, Freddie won the Masters and I was there to do the interview and present the green jacket. So.

[C]

I'm getting chills, man. I had no idea, dude.

[D]

Strong testament to how dreams can come true. You got to dream big for them to come true.

[A]

Speak it into existence.

[C]

We'll be rooting for him over there. I'll give him some extra mojo. Off the tee, baby. I'll be right there rooting them on, man, on Friday. Hell yeah.

[A]

Of all the big events you call every. You talk about the Masters, what are the other. What are the. What are the biggest events you've been a part of a CBS that you just like, think back in your career,

[D]

you know, I've been part of the CBS golf teams, like, like I said, for over 40 years now. And I called 32 national championship games in college basketball.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

So watching the action from Indianapolis this week, I mean, I just love it. I don't miss it. And I don't say as any sour grapes. I needed. I needed time with my kids, and I gave it up in 2023, my own choosing, because basically the hamster wheel, and I called it the golden hamster wheel, never ended. I was on 48 weeks a year. You know, golf. The championship game would be played on Monday night, and I was on a flight that night into Augusta and switching Gears after calling 15 games in the month of March. I just love being a part of the tournament, being able to see everything from the Fab Five through Coach K's, all the Coach K's, five championships, UConn's program coming from nowhere to now being a dominant power, and on and on. Roy Williams, North Carolina. His time at Kansas. Worked with Billy Packer for 18 years. And then, of course, Clark Kellogg, Bill Raftery, Grant Hill. It was a joy, man. It was a absolute joy ride. Then the NFL, you know, working now with Romo. We're going in our 10th year this year. Love, Tony. We have so much fun together. He's one of a kind, you know, and that's what makes him special, is that you don't want everybody to be the same, just flat X's and O's guy. He's a big kid who expresses himself as such on the air, and I find that very appealing and very authentic.

[C]

It makes it fun, man.

[D]

Worked with Phil Sims for a long time before that. I've. I hosted two Super Bowls and I've called seven. So those are the main parts. We've had Olympic games. We've had all these different sports. I call the US Open tennis for years, but my primaries were always golf, the NFL, and college basketball. When I started basketball, I got asked at a news conference in New York, I was assuming the role from Brent Musburger. I was asked, do you think you'll ever be able to approach the record for longevity for play by play? And I said, what's the number? And they said, six. And now these are some names from your past, even before you. But Curt, Gowdy, Dickenberg and Brent had all called six apiece. And I thought if I could ever get to six, that would be amazing. I got to 32. I want to put that record away. Okay. So, no, no, it was a gift. I'm glad that CBS wanted me to do it for that many years. I'm glad I could say when I needed to step down from it and get a few more weeks at home. But all of it's been that, that childhood dream, you know what that's about?

[C]

It's burns.

[D]

It still burns deep in the heart.

[C]

It never goes away. And, well, we appreciate you for. For jumping on that golden hamster wheel and taking us for a ride with you, man.

[D]

More than anything, if I had to write the end of the script, I love the NFL and, you know, I love being able to have the chance to do it for a few more years. But someday, as you know, you approach 70, you're going to have to back off a little bit more. And I would like to do 51 masters tournaments. Holy cow, that sounds like a crazy number. It used to be 50. I wanted to be able to say I did 50 masters because again, that's that little boy still speaking inside of my head. And I mentioned that at a. At an awards event out in California, and this broadcaster of yesteryear, one of the greats of all time, Jack Whitaker, had introduced me and he said, I heard you say, you want to do 50 masters. I said, yeah. He said, you need to do 51. I said, why is that? He says, if you do the math, your 51st Masters 2036 would be the hundredth playing of the Masters. He said, you need to be there for that. And he said something very nice. He said, and I think Augusta needs you to be there for that, to usher out the first century and bring in the next. So that's kind of been everything that, you know, I've thought about for a long time. So I didn't come on your show to announce my retirement on April 14, 2036, but we're kind of working that way.

[A]

I love it. I love it.

[C]

You get the opportunity, too, man. We'll be at the 51st airing of the Masses for you, brother.

[A]

We'd be honored.

[D]

You got to fight for your right to party.

[C]

Did you have any personal Mount Rushmore of Masters moments? You got any, like, top tier, the ones that stand out to you the most?

[D]

Yeah, I do. And I'm gonna put the Freddie win in 92 in a special box over here. That was really personal because that's, again, that's like Hollywood make believe fantasy stuff. That two kids could practice. That scene of the green jacket presentation and actually have to do it for real. That was choking my guts out, and so was he. We barely could get the words out that was a watershed moment for me. I really truly feared if I could emotionally hold up for that. But we both did and I was able to get us off the air clean. And yeah, that one's in its own category, but I've got three. One would be Jack Nicklaus, 1986, my first. Now you guys weren't around to see it.

[C]

Oh, I know it. Oh, I know it. It was the him, the shark and Sevy.

[D]

Tom Kite, Tom Watson, Bernhard Langer. I mean it was a load of Corey Paven. They were all jockeying Greg Norman. Like I said, they're all in the mix. And that's when you mentioned it earlier. I was just a young kid, chill bumps up and down my arms. My teeth were chattering. Jack made a pivotal birdie on my hole, the 16th. And I uttered the words, the bear has come out of hibernation. Now I did not know where that line came from. I truly thought I'm incapable of coming up with that narrative, that clip epic, that caption. And I began to have doubt in my head as the broadcast continued because we still had Sevy to come through. Norman, Jack had gone out way ahead of them. And I began to think I just plagiarized a remark someone else had said earlier in the show. We had announcers from 10 in. So I thought, well, maybe someone down there at AMN corner said no one had as it turns out, Ohio ball

[C]

player man shout out to Jack to

[D]

debut with Jack was. Was crazy. And then I will go Tiger 97. Not that it was competitive. Now I know you boys remember that one. I called that one. I was at the 18th by, by then and I called it a win for the ages. That was one of my lines. Jason, you asked me about this earlier. That line I had pre planned. Okay, he had a six shot lead going into Sunday and he was running away from the field. And I knew that clip was going to have the narrative played with it forever.

[A]

Yeah, forever.

[D]

You know, this is a piece. This is. There's a permanence to it. It's. It's going to be a couple hundred years from now when they come on the air with the Masters. They do the montage. That clip of Tiger winning in 97 will be on there 100 drag to the history with it is the little narrative there. It is a win for the ages. So I thought about that a lot the night before. I knew it had to be short. I knew it had to like match up with the moment in a historical sense. And I'm really happy that was the line that. That we landed on. But after that, on that short list, Travis would be Tiger Again in 2019, full circle, when he was given up for not being competitive again. And it came full circle. And now he's hugging his kids behind the 18th green, basically on the same spot where his dad had embraced him 22 years earlier.

[B]

So beautiful, man.

[D]

Now that's what we are. We're storytellers. We're not. We're not spewing stats. We're trying to tell people what's inside their hearts and what this moment contextually means. And I happen to be at both of those. I call that one the return to glory. Because his kids had never seen him be the champion golfer that he. That he was. Like, we knew him. And I saw them behind the 18th green. I was told earlier today they were not on property, but they were. And I just thought, what a gift to have them see their father, you know, have this encore performance. And I just kept thinking of the word glory as this was all playing out. And when he knocked in the last putt, I just said, not with a lot of exclamation, almost soulful, because he had been through the long road back. And I just said the return to glory. It felt like it matched that moment. Yeah, but I was on that short list. And. And the last one, I would say would be Rory. Last year, the career grand slam, the. The ups and downs, the wild odyssey ride he put us on Sunday when he won it, lost it, double bogey, the first hole, nearly shanked a 13. You're like, what's going on here? And then to rally and went in at a playoff over Rosie was storybook stuff.

[C]

Those are four iconic. Absolutely iconic. I think the 86 one came across my, like, Instagram feed the other day, and there was a moment where the shark Norman is just like taking the deepest breath on 18 before his. His approach shot. And you could tell, man, that. That there's nothing like that tournament.

[A]

You're incredible what you do, Jim. And that's why you get to ask to do all these things. And that's why people remember you and have such affection for you, because you're remarkable. You're the best play by play person in this generation.

[D]

I was thinking about this at Easter service this week. You know, you do at times, no matter who you are, particularly when you're a performer and you guys are performers, you have all kinds of things that can work against you. You know that you have doubters. Like, we all have enough doubt to deal with on our own. But you have people that are second guessers, who are critics, who don't understand how hard it is to perform on a moment's notice. You're trying your best and sometimes we fail. Sometimes the words come out upside down or you don't capture something quite crystal clear as you should, but everybody's got an opinion and, you know, you learn how to, to deal with that noise. Yeah, yeah, I know. We all make it because it's personal. So we feel like there are a lot of people at times against us and it's not reality. No, it's just sometimes these louder voices that are maybe on social media or just plainly in the media. You know, we deal with media too. We got all kinds of television critics out there, whether they're social or whether they're in electronic or print, whatever. But yeah, you learn to deal with it. And like, you know, I was a little kid, I never thought about, I'm gonna have to like have people that are telling me I'm not any good or somebody's better. And I never thought about that. I was thinking about playing. I didn't realize there'd be that noise. And there is a learning curve for that. And you know, I'm. Listen, I've had to deal with it for 40 years and I think I've handled it well and just, I've tried my best to be the person that I am and not let that sully what otherwise has been a dream life. And you guys, I hope, realize that same thing. Whatever noise you hear, it's insignificant. Oh yeah, it's all, it all goes away. And you know, when, when, when life goes on and you guys get to be my age and older and you're still going to be doing whatever you're doing, I'm sure at a very high level that bust is going to be sitting there in Canton long past you both, as you know, being on the planet that bust is going to be there. The criticism or the noise, that's all immaterial. It's history. You built a life in other realms too. Your families. Look what you've done to make your family proud. I get the biggest rise out of seeing how much your parents enjoy what you both are doing and how you both have supported one another. That's where I'm coming from.

[B]

Appreciate that.

[D]

Family, to me, you know, it's everything. I was playing a video the other day, my kids were young and I know I'm way off on a tangent here.

[C]

I love it though. I love it. Yeah, please keep going.

[D]

I Was telling my kids about something. It was from four years ago, and I was three years ago. And I said, family is love, and love is family. And if you're surrounded, you understand. The world is like that. And I think you guys do. I mean, I see it from the outside. I see that love in your own circles.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Jason, the amazing life that you and your family have built, Travis, what you're building and starting right there with your mom and dad and what you've done to make Cleveland, and specifically Cleveland Heights proud. That love, man, that nurturing, got you to where you are. I had the same thing. Hello, friends. I want my dad to hear me. 18 years. I got chills right now thinking about it. I just want to make them proud. And that's when I say my feet hit the floor in the morning, and I have gone through my ritual. One of those things with gratitude is just saying, I want to make people proud.

[C]

It's the best.

[D]

And I'm going into Augusta this week. I'm going to give it my all.

[C]

Oh, you're going to make everyone proud.

[D]

And I just hope I can make people proud. The people that my family, who I love and love his family.

[C]

Well, make sure I come up to you and pinch you so you know, you're not dreaming, big guy.

[D]

I'll know when somebody comes and pinches me from behind, I won't even have to turn around. Look, I'll know it's you

[C]

when I'm playing in a big game and. Or win or win or loss. You know, Jason's been at a lot of the big games. My family has been at, you know, every big game in my life, and those moments where you come out of that game and you see the ones that are there to support you, you see the ones that are. That have been on this journey with you your entire life, and you see, you know where it's gotten to. It's the most beautiful thing that. That I could have ever asked for in my life is the fact that I have that much support from family and friends. And I remember the funniest one was coming up from that Buffalo game where Jason jumped out of the suite and jumped back in the suite. I come up to the suite at the end of the game to celebrate my friends and family, and Jason has his shirt off still.

[D]

Tony and I covered that game.

[C]

Of course, you know it very well.

[D]

Yeah, you caught a couple of tunnies. You're right in that end zone. You caught one, you looked up at

[C]

him, but no, no one. You got that much support and you make your family and your loved ones that much that happy when they're, when you're playing and they get that much excitement out of seeing you doing what you love the most. It's the, it's the best, man. And I hear you on that, man. The gratitude and, and getting to be able to do what we love and all that makes, makes it all worth it, man.

[D]

You know, the odds for what you guys have accomplished, just, that's okay. That gets back to that whole pinch me thing. But the odds of even being able to make it to the NFL, I mean, everybody thinks that plays it at Division 1 level, thinks it's going to happen.

[C]

You couldn't tell me, Jason, that even with the one star connected to our names on all the high school recruiting,

[A]

I didn't even have a star. Zero stars. I had, the picture of me was that black silhouette. You know what I mean? It is a pinch me moment when, whenever we look back at that and you know, our families have been so uniquely blessed to share in all these experiences together and then to make other families along the way and all the friends and not like anything else like, you always accomplish things through the help and guidance with other people and the teams we've been on, the coaches we've been, we've had along the way. You mentioned something earlier, Jim, about people infusing belief. And I've said this before, I think belief is the greatest thing you can give another human being for exactly what you're saying. There's so much, you know in your own head that you can build up with doubt and nerves and things. When somebody gives you that gift, it just, it gives you the power to overcome all of the little things that really don't mean anything. And I just love that so much. I do want to ask you, do you have a welcome to broadcasting moment? You talked about the nerves of that first masters at 26 years old. Is there something that happened maybe young in your career that was like, all right, I'm finally doing this thing?

[D]

Well, before I got to cbs, I was, you know, I was on the Houston golf team. But I was, I was, I was not as passionate about trying to be a professional golfer, nor did I have the skill level. Nowhere close as I was. You know, the boyhood dream was the broadcasting thing. But I started working in the business when I was 20 for the CBS affiliate in Houston, the fourth largest market in the country. I was the weekend fill in sports anchor. But it mounted to a lot of like anchoring the sports Broadcast on the like 10 or 11 o' clock news, whichever time zone you're in, you know what I'm talking about? And I was still living in the dorms, and so I was still living with all my golf guys. I mentioned before, and that was. I knew that I was as far as like where I am with my age group, being on a CBS station at 20 while you're still in college was rare. I was very fortunate. But then upon graduation, I got an opportunity to be hired by the CBS affiliate in Salt Lake City at ksl. And with that, I got to do the Utah Jazz game. So I was 23, I was in the NBA, calling NBA. And I was the play by play announcer for BYU. The Cougs, yeah, they won the national championship in 1984. And I was doing their games with Steve Young.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

Who had graduated a couple years before and was playing in the USFL for the LA Express.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

So we're doing a game in Provo, and the booth where we broadcast from at Cougar Stadium was so small, they had us record our on camera opening on the field. So we knocked that out. We jumped in the press elevator for the start of the show a few minutes later, and the elevator blew a fuse. And for a quarter and a half, we. The. The elevator didn't move.

[A]

Oh, my. Are you kidding me?

[D]

Meanwhile, the game goes on, the show goes on. They ran a scroll at the bottom of the screen that says, we are experiencing audio difficulties. Yeah, you have no announcers. That's an audio difficulty.

[A]

That's quite the difficulty.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just randomly blew a fuse. And then it started back up and we rejoined the broadcast with about six minutes to go and a half. That was a terrifying moment. I can remember if you talk to Steve ever about it to this day, you know, we were starting to get claustrophobic, to say the least. There was a tiny panel. You could knock it out. I could lift him up if we wanted to, and he could try to get out of the elevator shaft. We decided that was not a good idea. That could have prevented what later became a Hall of Fame career in San Francisco. But anyway, we, we, we had that moment. And then lo and behold, after two years, two and a half years in Utah, I got a call from a producer at CBS named Ed Goran, who later became the president of Fox Sports. Great friend of mine to this day, he said, we've been taping your shows for the last month and you're one of five finalists for an opening At CBS Sports. I thought it was a prank call. I thought it was one of my comments. They knew this was my goal. This can't be true. Come on. I said, come on, give it up. But the next day I was on a plane to New York and I was auditioning in the CBS Broadcast center against the likes of Roy Firestone, who was a famous broadcaster. Had this up close show on espn, the great James Brown. And I ended up winning the audition. And within a couple of weeks I was on the air being introduced by Brent Musburger.

[A]

Holy cow.

[C]

Gone. Well, thank God that that elevator got working, baby.

[A]

Do you take the stairs now? Do you make sure that doesn't happen? Is it.

[D]

That is a fair question.

[A]

You are one of one, brother. I can't tell you what an honor it has been to listen to you share these stories. What an honor it's going to be to watch you do your 41st masters. You've officially surpassed the amount of balls Rory had to hit way past him. Congratulations. We're all looking forward to it.

[D]

Thank you for having me on. I really, truly, I was so appreciative to get the invite to come on the week of the Masters. And it would mean a lot to me if even it was just a minute, if I had a chance to express how much I appreciate both of you in person and this particular podcast, being a guest this week down in Augusta. Jason, good luck with that, by the way. I know you're going to be great. Have a, have a wonderful time. I'm here. Anything to do to help.

[A]

Do you have any advice, like, what's the advice here? I mean, it's my first time I've

[D]

been to define your role. For me, it's going to be interviewer,

[A]

interviewer of players and friends and family. I'm kind of going to be boots on the ground, just talking in between holes and stuff.

[D]

There's two things you're going to focus on here.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Virtually everybody in that field is going to have a caddy that's special to them. And more likely it's going to be a family member, a child, a daughter, or even a wife.

[A]

Yes.

[D]

So one is what was that experience like?

[A]

Yep.

[D]

And two is how do you feel about your game going into the tournament? That's all you need to ask.

[A]

Perfect.

[D]

Now, maybe somebody knocks a hole in a hole in one and you might ask them about that, but I think people want to know what the week looks like for them and what that experience was like out on the par three tournament. It's Unique. We don't see anything like that the rest of the year. You don't need to dig much deeper than that. This is a feel good event and you're going to be. You're going to be the right guy to do that.

[C]

I got a third one. Jason, don't forget. Keep your shirt on.

[A]

Goes without saying. Goes without saying. Yes.

[C]

Classy event.

[A]

Jason, thank you so much for hopping on with this.

[D]

Thank you, brothers. I appreciate you both.

[C]

That dude was epic, man.

[A]

The best. It's, I mean, the wisdom and, like, the emotion that he's in, the way he's able to tell a story. I feel so dumb trying to talk to him. Gosh dang. He is the best, though. And he mentioned the production meetings. Even in the production meetings, like, it's just. There's something about Jim that is just second to none. The way he. The way he articulates and listens, ask questions. It's like the elegance. I thought about that before with like, Rich Eisen, like, talking to him. Like, some of these guys that just are so good on television, they have a way of conversing and, and, you know, saying things, even just in regular, ordinary life that just. It's incredible.

[C]

It's awesome, man. And that was a dream come true right there, man. Getting Jim Nance on this thing right before the Masters, man.

[A]

Right before the Masters. Let's go, baby.

[C]

Jason, can you do the honors?

[A]

All righty. Our guest today is a six foot golfer out of Dardanelle, Arkansas, I believe. That's right. He's the 1991 PGA Tour Rookie of the Year. He's got five PGA Tour wins, two time major champion, and he won the 2021 PNC Championship with his son. And he was Travis Kelsey's co star in Happy Gilmore too.

[C]

I wasn't a star. He was a star.

[A]

He's here to grip it and rip it. Please welcome the one and only John Daily. Baby John. How we doing, brother?

[B]

Let's go.

[C]

As he cracks one. Man, oh, man. Look. Where's the cold, boy? I can't find one. That's what I love right there, man.

[A]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah, brother. How we doing?

[B]

Doing great. How you guys doing?

[C]

Living the dream, baby.

[A]

Good. Getting fired up. Yeah. Trav was golfing this past week. We're getting geared up for the Masters. I'm sure you are as well. Where you at right now? You got. You're in your rv.

[B]

Me and Anna, my girl, we just. We left Sunday night from Upland, California, and we're just about just outside of Tallahassee we're almost home in Clearwater.

[C]

Oh, nice, man.

[A]

Nothing.

[C]

Nothing wrong with a little, like, road trip, man. God. God, I haven't been on one of those in a while, man. Love it, man. I was just up in abandoned Dunes, actually, up in northern, well, Oregon. Not necessarily north of Cal, but up in Oregon, man. And that's a little bit of a different. A different place, man. The views out there are insane. But I'm not gonna lie. I'm a bougie golfer now, man. I don't like to walk that much. I don't love walking that much. And that's a. That's a hell of a terrain, too. So I was. I was kind of. That was a workout, man.

[B]

That's why I got ada. My body's too screwed up to freaking walk anymore, so I'm. Enjoy the game. Regular golf cart.

[C]

That's what I'm saying. They got to get some golf carts out there, man.

[A]

We got the Masters. This Cup. This is amazing. The Masters coming up.

[B]

You got to come see me at Augusta. I'll be at the restaurant and bar called Top Dog.

[C]

Oh, man, I can't wait to have a beer with you over there.

[B]

Fill you guys up some merch. We'll drink some John Daddy. Good boys. Smoke some John Daddy cigars. Mama Lou Spice. So here we go.

[C]

Lit on my fries.

[A]

Does sound like a good time right there.

[C]

Sign me up, man.

[A]

Variant on that. We'll definitely stop by. We're all going to Augusta. What. What makes this tournament so special in your eyes, John?

[B]

Well, it's the only major that never leaves home. It's. It stays in the same spot every year. The other three move around and. And it's Augusta. It's. It's. I mean, I don't know if you guys have played it with Yalls status. You should have been able to. No, it's just a very special week. You know, I played in it for a lot of years and had a few good tournaments there, but, you know, even when I was playing, I was selling my merchandise. It just gives me a chance to see the fans, have a few cocktails, sell some shit and good time.

[A]

What do you. Hold on.

[C]

I got the little Eagles cheerleader outfit on.

[A]

That's a good outfit there. You just mentioned you interacting with the fans. I don't know that there's any golfer that I've seen that has been more connected with his fans than you. What do you think it is about you that made that the case?

[B]

Funny for me. I always played for him and you know, there's no skeletons in my closet. I've never lied to them. If I screw up, I tell them I screw up and apologize and move on and they've been great to me. You know, it seems like everywhere I've been, it's like a home field advantage. You know what, you guys, you know, playing for the Eagles and that boy there do three year contract right now. Great, great fans. But your egos, man, your egos, man. When you guys are down a little bit, they, I've never seen fans, they'll let you know. Yeah, yeah, they let you know. But that's, I guess that's called loyalty. I don't know.

[C]

But it's passion.

[A]

It's passion, John. You know,

[C]

you think you take that grip it and rip it philosophy into life too, not just on the golf course or.

[B]

Oh yeah, got to, yeah. You know, I believe caffeine, nicotine, equal protein.

[C]

Let's go.

[A]

The simple formula. John, as one of the, the legendary drivers of the ball, I'm trying to get better at golf right now. I'm trying to break 80. Got a long term goal that I want to make happen this year. I've realized I need to improve my long game and my short game the most. I'm pretty good at my irons. What is the key to driving the ball? Like what, like what, what were you, what would be your main takeaways if you want to hit it longer and preferably straighter, would you say are like your hard, fast rules? Yeah.

[B]

Well, I mean, for me it's low and slow and finish the backswing, but in golf, I mean, people always ask me how they hit it further. Well, if you hit your best drive the best you can hit it, that's pretty much as far as you're going to hit it. Now the good thing is it's like you guys practicing football every day. Every day. Consistency. You know, you get your patterns down, you get your plays down. It's consistency. And the more you're consistent with that, the better you're going to be. But if you want to break 80, get your ass out and hit 100 yard shots in and work on your butt and chip it because that's what. Sure, that's what'll get it done for you.

[C]

Steal those strokes. Yeah, he's got a Travis, he's got a goddamn KFC potato wedge as a putter, man. It's, it's like he just went to the local putt putt and just grabbed that thing out of the bag. He's gotta get up to modern day man. I don't know what he's doing with his putter.

[A]

You know those old bullseye putters? That's what I got. I got a bullseye.

[B]

Well, those are really good for fast greens, but I don't know what greens you put on, but you need to probably get a heavier putter, like a big. Like a bent nardi or something like that. A real heavy putter that'll help you short stroke and make a lot more putts.

[A]

Okay, that's a good tip. I'm gonna take that one.

[C]

I'm already on a trip chance. This guy's trash. Yeah, baby. I'm gonna take you back to 91, man. When you won the PGA Championship, I just wanted to ask, man, you were the ninth alternate going in it to. To win the whole thing. Is that correct?

[B]

Yeah, man.

[C]

That's crazy. Did you know going into that tournament that you were going to have, like, a really good chance of winning? Or was. Were you just kind of, like, happy to be there? What was the mindset going into that one?

[B]

Well, I was just happy to get in. And, you know, back then, I made 162 grand. I kept my card for 92. You make 162 grand on PJ tour? You're working in a grocery store somewhere selling grocery. But I had a pretty decent year. The golf course just fit my eye. I could fly all the trouble and reason. I got in Nick Price. Sue had the baby, and I got in last.

[D]

And.

[B]

But anyway, he asked me if Squeaky caddy from I said, hell, yeah. I love for squeak the caddy for me. And that's awesome. Squeaky did a hell of a job. It was a blur because I didn't get a practice round. We just went in first round, second, third, fourth.

[C]

So crazy.

[A]

That was wild. Oh, my God.

[C]

Grip it and rip it, baby. What else do you need to do, Jason? You're worried about trying to hit your drive straight? Just hit it.

[A]

At what point did you know you were going to be a legit professional golfer? Like, is how. When did you start playing? And at what point was it like, oh, man, I'm pretty damn good at this?

[B]

I started when I was 4. I'm probably around 16 years old. I. I just said, this is what I want to do. I'm fat, I'm flat foot, I can't run football. Basketball's out. I was a pretty good pitcher. I guess I could have pitched, but, you know, I'd have to play on a major team where the pitcher doesn't hit, which would be the American League. Is that right? American League?

[C]

I think it's both now, but yeah, I hear you.

[B]

Back then, I think it was just the National League pitchers that hit, right? But no, I was just too slow, flat footed and I feel like I had pretty good balance in my golf game because I'm so flat footed. I just got inspected when I was 16. I said this is what I want to do.

[C]

I will say that, man, the swing is obviously one of the smoothest of all time, man. And how much, how much you get on your back backswing is so impressive, man. It's like you're getting to the other side of your head almost. And for big guys like us, like, the shoulders just don't allow us to get to that point, man. So it's like you're like an anomaly in this world of like guys with big shoulders that can't get their swing all the way back there. It's just. I don't, I don't even know where I'm going with. I just love the goddamn swing, man.

[B]

You guys are always pumping and you're getting so strong here. You're more. Well, you need to stay flexible because you catch it. Jake, you had to block those boys, man. You had to be strong. Yep, it's tough because you get so tight you can't get the club back. But like, you know, quarterbacks, pitchers, hockey players, they're so flexible, they can, they can take the club back. But yeah, you just gotta, you just gotta find your, your consistent drive and see how far it goes. And there's work on that because that's all you can do. I mean, I used to be able to hit it a long way. Now, you know, my drives in the 90s sound like atomic bombs. I don't even want to tell you what they sound like now.

[A]

Get out of here.

[C]

I know you're still cracking it.

[A]

You. What was, what was your furthest drive back in the. Like, what's your furthest drive back in the day on tour?

[B]

I'm not sure how far, but I hit. I think the longest I ever saw was somebody hit it. 420, I think I had one like 399, 400.

[A]

I guess I'm saying that was back when that technology. What do you think, realistically, if you were still in your prime with the balls today and the drivers today, what do you think you'd be hitting?

[B]

It'd be scary. I mean, we could, we've. Me and Jack Nicholas have talked about that. Just thinking he was really long. Just thinking technology. Even up to when I was playing. I don't know. It's hard to say. I know that I hit over 200 ball speed way before when Bryce was trying.

[C]

God, dad, he was.

[B]

He kept getting 198, 199. He couldn't get there as a. Hey, dude, I did it 10 times in a row. You'll get there with a lot of freaking. 32. 8, 32 being Irving King driver.

[C]

Yeah. What you need to do is you need to unarch your feet. You got to get more balance. You need more flat foot into the ground. You're way too. You're way too. Your arches. Yeah, exactly, the arches. You're just not made for it, dude. How cool is it seeing your son, John Daly ii, man. How cool is seeing him making his PGA Tour debut and seeing him kind of follow your footsteps and everything. I believe he went to Arkansas. I feel like I always see him with some Arkansas gear on.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. He's. This is his last semester, fifth year senior. The team is really good. I think they're fourth or fifth in the country. So. Yeah, he. He hits it about 50 past me now, but he still can't outship me. Yeah. Hates it when I want arm him and I want arm chip him. He's got two hands on it. He gets so mad at me.

[A]

Does your son ever push back on golf advice? If he's anything like trap? My dad would try and coach him up in baseball and stuff like that. He never wanted to hear any of it. What's. What's John II like with golf advice?

[B]

He'll listen to everybody but me.

[A]

Same way it goes.

[B]

It's the same. It's a father son thing now. But, you know, if I see. See him doing something wrong, I watch him a few tournaments. I'll tell coach.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And little John will go, dad, Coach really helped me. He told me I had to get the phone. Okay, son. That's part of it.

[C]

That's awesome, man. I'm glad he's helping out a lot.

[B]

Dnc. If Tiger and Charlie are playing, Charlie will listen to me.

[A]

Yeah. When's the first time he actually beat you in a round?

[B]

Let's see. Probably about four or five years ago.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah. I was going into college.

[B]

Yeah, Right when he's like 16.

[A]

That's amazing.

[C]

There you go, man. That's how you know that's what you. What you should be doing in life right there when you're beating a pro.

[B]

I saw that little baby girl here's Jace behind you. What? Hey, she's gonna be beating you in golf pretty soon too. Just trust me.

[A]

So I, I want to get her out there. Hey, she don't got. It ain't gonna be very hard. She might be able to beat me right now, John.

[C]

I don't ever got flexible shoulders.

[A]

You famously said once, talking about your pre round routine, that you hit balls for maybe 20 minutes, put a little bit, smoke four or five cigarettes, and then you drink three Diet Cokes and you go in for the first te. Some days I won't even go to the range. Is that still the case?

[B]

I just smoke cigarettes and

[C]

look at

[B]

a putting green or practice, get away

[A]

from the putting green.

[C]

You feel like at this point in your career you can kind of just see the tint of the. Or like the color of the green and like the layout of it and get a good feel for it just off of like putting your eyes on it.

[B]

Yeah. And we play, you know, I play two to three pro ams a week too, so it's not like I'm not going to know the golf course.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Yeah, Gotcha.

[B]

Yeah, so it's, you know, it's, it's there.

[C]

I've.

[B]

I play enough during the week that, you know, I need to go hit balls or beat balls all the time anymore. My body can't hold up to it anyway. Twelve surgeries, bladder cancer in the last, you know, eight years. So yeah, you know, if I went out and hit 20 putts, I got to sit down, have a cigarette, a diet Coke or a Johnny. Good boy.

[C]

Here we go.

[B]

Get up. 20 minutes, do it again. You can hit a thousand putts without no problem at all. But I'm old. If I knew I was going to live to be this old, I'd have taken worse care.

[C]

Do you think there's a. There's a bit of, like, trying too hard and putting in too much work in that regard? Like, like trying to fix it too much or especially like in between rounds?

[B]

Well, I think it's what you guys did after a game. You know, you got to have that day, that night off, and then go, Go back at it. Your body's tired, you get frustrated, especially when you're tired. But. But everybody's different. You know, I'm a guy that I've been, you know, gifted, very natural ability, very flexible, that I didn't have to beat a lot of balls, but I worked my ass off on my short game, 150 yards in. I'd beat balls every day for that. But that's where you score. But no, everybody's a little different. I mean, you know, these guys are working out, they're getting hurt, they're hurting themselves. Working out too hard. You know, they're not. They don't need to be like you guys. You got to do it to these man on man. And football. But golf, you just want to keep your flexibility. You want to be able to do what you can do and don't push it too hard. Guys are getting back problems and pumping weight too long. And when I grew up, man, it was like, let's go play golf.

[C]

I'm about to say. You ever see a weight room growing up?

[B]

No. I'm gonna open up John Daly gym. Lazium bar. Through. On the treadmill, ashtray, the cup holder, drink holder, porn on tv, and topless waitress.

[C]

Oh, my God, that's some good right there.

[B]

I put them. I put them on by My Fitness 24s.

[A]

I love it. I love it. Hey, I'll. I'll get a membership to that right now.

[C]

Come on now.

[A]

Sign me up, baby.

[C]

Yearly membership.

[A]

I do think you're on to something, though, tra. Because this is that way in football. Sometimes guys put in so much work and they get so meticulous with everything. Their diet, weightlifting, and they forget that you're. There's a. It's not a formulaic thing. You can try and make it that way, but at the end of the day, there is an art to it and there's. And there's a. A freedom that you need to play with as well. And if you try and be a robot out there, it just, like, it doesn't work in football. And I know, like, golf, you would think there's less factors and maybe you can be more robotic, but I bet there is a similarity there where you can't allow that to overtake your mental approach to the game.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, we're the only sport that the boundaries change every day, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're not playing the same field. We're, you know, even if it's the same golf course, tee boxes, they change tee boxes, they move them up back green. The pins are changed. You got obs, you got hazards that come into play. But, you know, it's. It's. It's just a brutal game, man. It's. And people don't realize it does take a toll on your body. Like, I don't work out, I put out. But, you know, it's taking a toll on my game, on my body. And.

[A]

Right.

[B]

People, they Go. It's such an easy sport. Yeah, this is a, kind of a sport. This is a man on man. It's, every part of your body's got to work and, but when you're repetitionally hitting that many balls, it's no different than you guys, what you guys do. It's, it's brutal on the body.

[A]

No doubt. I get more sore playing golf than I ever did sometimes at practice. I go out there, you're walking a court like a bunch of hills. You're going up and down, you hit a bunch of buttons. I'm over 100 strokes sometimes, John, I'm, I'm using all of them I got, right?

[C]

So this guy gets within 50 yards and starts playing ping pong on the green, man.

[B]

The funniest line was from Brett Favre. I'm playing with him with a Pro Am in Memphis in August. It's 125 degrees, we're on the 15th though. He goes, you know what, Bailey? I'd rather have a 350 pound lineman just run my ass over right now.

[A]

Seriously. I'll take one hit as opposed to four hours of it. Yeah, man, no doubt.

[C]

I was gonna say golf's having a, like a surge of the century. Like everybody's getting into the game nowadays and it feels like you're, you're seeing more and more content. Everybody wants to have some sort of golf show because of how fun the game is and also just how like you can, the banter in between is, it's very, it's a, it's a game you can comment on and a game that you can, you can act within. It's, it's like everybody has these new shows and everything. Do you, do you like how the game has been growing or is this starting to get kind of like, I don't know, sidetracked from what the game really is supposed to be.

[B]

Oh, I love it. I mean, you know, the only thing, the only downfall is, is Everybody hits a 320 now to 350. That's not a downfall. But you know, I, I, I, I look at kids growing up playing golf. Now all they want to do is go to driving range and beat a driver 320 yards. But 100 yard chip shot, they're missing the green, they're duffing it. They're not, you know, doesn't matter how far you hit it, but if you ain't got a short game, what's the use? It's like having a quarterback that can't call an audible and Throw a screen.

[C]

Oh, I see, I see you, big dog. You need that guy. You need that guy to be able to some. If you got to sniff out that defense, man, I'm telling you, you change the play. No, I hear you. We actually, we got a little note in here about your, your high school kicker days.

[D]

Oh yeah?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

He's talking.

[A]

We got, we got. Go ahead.

[B]

Elias High School, Elias Crusader, Jeff City, Missouri.

[C]

What? Nice. Hell yeah. So you were. So were you like you were right on the border there or.

[B]

Well, sure, about 35 miles south of Columbia.

[C]

Nice. I'm, I'm. Yeah, I'm familiar with. But that's where you went to high school. So you, you grew up in Arkansas, then went to high school in Jefferson City?

[B]

Yeah, well, I went my sophomore and junior year. I finished my last semester my senior year in Arkansas. Yeah, I was there for a couple years, but now we went to state. We had our first Perfect season at 100 since 57. We won our first playoff game in St. Charles. They were just too fast.

[C]

Was it just kicker?

[B]

I could throw it but I couldn't run. I could punt it. Thank God I didn't have to run. But I did the pump passing kicks when I was young. And your coach.

[C]

Oh yeah. Big Red baby.

[B]

They showed him a 13. He looked as big as you, Jason.

[C]

He looked like he was playing for the Rams at LA Rams at that point.

[B]

Yeah, he's such an awesome coach. I love him. But yeah, I went to front passing kick ways and when I was eight, Superdome opened up in 74 and the first person I met was Archie Manning.

[C]

How about it?

[B]

And I was talking about a man that if he ever had a good offensive line they, he could have done something. But it was great meeting him and, and you know, just getting into the. I love football. Football is my passion. Like I said flat footed and I straight on. I kick it barefooted but right on the nose, man.

[A]

That was what I was gonna ask because I know you golf barefooted. Were you a barefoot kicker as well?

[B]

Yeah, I could kick it a lot further. I just kick it off my big toe.

[C]

That's so good.

[B]

But I got something that a lot of kickers didn't get. Look up the 1992 Omadden kicker team.

[C]

What?

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Were you on it?

[B]

I was the John Madden hated kickers and we were, we were out doing the money knives. Frank Gifford held the ball for me on Monday Night Football in San Francisco and I kicked a 45 yard or 40 yarder and Cope Madden was out There he goes. Okay. I like you, Sonny. 92 old Madden team.

[C]

That's so good, man.

[B]

Thing I could say, bro, that's one of the.

[C]

That's one of the most like awarded things as a player. Because John, obviously Madden was like the mecca of or like the best in the entire football world. Like, he's our like, savior in this world. So to get that. Get that nod, that's pretty dope. But that's crazy, dude. The 1992.

[B]

I think I'm lining up a putt or something. I. The card that it has is a 1992 All Matt team. I think I'm lining up a putt. I can't remember what the card looks like, but it was pretty cool.

[A]

I gotta get that. Heck yeah. Do you have a welcome to golf moment? Like welcome to the PGA moment.

[B]

Welcome to the pga. I think would be probably winning the pga. You know, most of the time people heard I could hit it kind of long and I'd have a. You know, the group I'm playing with assigned carrier and about five people watch me hit it. Then they go watch somebody else back in the day. But yeah, the PG of America was probably. I didn't realize what I did until I got to Colorado the next week. It was like 12,000 people sitting there waiting for me.

[C]

Like.

[B]

Like, you guys Super Bowl. Y' all have hundreds of thousands, but kind of felt like that, like couldn't breathe, you know. It was really weird.

[C]

That's crazy, man. I believe that's an awesome story, man. Well, John D. Man, we appreciate the time. We appreciate the stories. Can't wait to run up on that. That fitness center you were just talking about and get a subscription for the year. But we appreciate you, dog. Thank you for jumping on with this big guy.

[B]

You got it. I'll get Yalls address, send you a bunch of these beautiful good boys.

[C]

Please do, please cigars.

[B]

And I'll send you some of my mama Lou's seasoning here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Put on everything.

[C]

Is there. There is site. There a site everybody can jump on to go grab that stuff or.

[B]

Yeah, well, good boy. You just go to goodboy.com. you see the John Daly the cigars. John Daly cigar.com and mama lose. Just go to John Daly's seasoning.

[C]

Hell yeah.

[B]

But I'll send you guys.

[C]

We'll throw. We'll throw in the. In. In the episode too, man.

[A]

Where are you at? Down in Augusta as well, because we're gonna make sure we run into you. What. What bar did you say again?

[B]

I'll Be there from this Saturday to next Saturday.

[C]

Love it.

[A]

Perfect.

[C]

Forget it. Top golf don't seem like a topgolf kind of guy. You seem like a top dog kind of guy.

[A]

Side note, what's Augusta's been is really regarded for, like, the food and everything around there. The pimento cheese sandwich. And also, what are the must. What we're going there this week. We've been before to the. To the major. But what should we. What are the must dos? If you go to the Masters as

[B]

a spectator, practice rounds are the best because you can.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. You won't be able to take your phone in and all that stuff. They take your phone. So you just leave it somewhere. Yeah, but you can see the guys practice. That's what's really cool.

[C]

That's cool.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And. But the best place to be is going to be a top dog just on Washington Road before you go back into training there.

[C]

Big listen, you already know I'm gonna say I'm gonna eat real clean this week just so I can get out there to Augusta and have a few of those. Those. That's what I'm talking about. We're gonna throw them in.

[A]

Trust me. Hell yeah.

[C]

You're the man, big guy. We appreciate the time, man. You already know. We'll see you. We'll try to see you next week down there in Augusta.

[B]

Love you, boys. Always watched you. Keep it going.

[C]

Thank you to Jim Nance and John Daly, two of the most epic and like iconic men in. In golf. And, man, we're. We're pretty fired up for the Masters knowing we're going down there, man. But it's just cool to hear these two talk about the game and talk about their lives and the. The road to where they are now. Man, that was pretty dope.

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All right, now, it's been a minute since we've dipped into the no Dumb questions bag, so let's take a minute to dive into one. All right, this edition of no Dumb Questions is brought to you by Apple, one of our favorite companies out there, because it's every device that I have around me. All right, here we go. What side of TikTok are you on?

[A]

Oh, my.

[C]

I don't understand what this is.

[A]

Yeah, I'm confused on this as well.

[C]

It's a voice. A voicemail. It's a voicemail. I'll play it.

[D]

I'll play it. I'll play it.

[A]

But what does it mean? What side of tick tock are you on? Tiktoks aren't voicemails.

[D]

The question is a voicemail.

[A]

Jeez, was the prompt from us? What side of tick tock are you on?

[D]

We display the question, it's gonna make sense, I promise. So I have a question.

[B]

I always wonder what side of TikTok people are on? So that's my question. What side of TikTok are y' all on that is not related to you guys?

[A]

I mean, currently I'm on the side of TikTok that doesn't watch TikTok. I only post on TikTok. I don't scroll TikTok.

[C]

She's asking if we're pro TikTok or against tick Tock.

[A]

No, she's asking us. She's basically saying that there's an algorithmic thing that steers you into a certain type of content on Tick Tock. And I think Tick Tock people understand what she's asking, but neither of us being Tick Tock individuals, I don't think you're gonna understand this question.

[C]

What's coming up on your feed is basically the question.

[A]

My algorithm on Instagram reels right now is heavy golf content. I mean, I am getting. There's this one guy, Dan Grieve, I think is his name.

[C]

Greaves

[A]

has the. The three releases. I'm about to buy his book, but

[C]

he's got it on a shopping approach game. You don't have enough time to sit down and read. Jason get it on audio.

[A]

Well, I mean, I mean, Audiobook is still getting it on. Getting his book. You're still paying for it. But yeah, a lot of golf content. A lot of AI videos that I have to look at for a couple seconds to see if they're AI. But of course, of course they were AI from the very beginning.

[C]

Just, you got to get out early so you don't keep getting those fed to you, man. There's nothing worse.

[A]

I know this is AI, but I'm gonna go through the comments section just to make sure that it's AI.

[C]

You're hilarious.

[A]

Even though it's obviously AI.

[C]

The AI videos are the worst, man. I know what mine are. Rodeos. Guys getting slung off bulls, otters, as we all know. There's always those like three or four, like, reels or just, I don't know, updates on what otters have been doing around the world. And then just sports, everything. Every sport you can think of. Highlights all over the place. I got a lot of comedy, like sketches, like, like little, like comedy bits, like stand up bits that I come across. All.

[A]

Yeah, same, same.

[C]

The stand up bits are always entertaining to me. What else is in the algorithm?

[A]

Surprisingly, not as much football as you would think.

[C]

I mean, I get my fix on football with just like my love for the game. I think right now there's nothing. There's no. Football being played.

[A]

That's a good point. That's probably playing into it.

[C]

Yeah, I. I'll get. I'll get all that stuff just on like, the threads and like, like conversations through, like, my, like, messages following. Yeah, yeah. And we'll. We'll shop that. Shop those posts around to each other more than. We'll actually see it on the reels. If it has to do with sports, it's probably on the algorithm. And then comedy, a bunch of. I can just laugh at.

[A]

I'm looking through it right now. I'm not getting a lot of. I was big on billiards for a little bit.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Still get some billiard stuff. I mean, any sports stuff is kind of free. It kind of alternates probably a lot with the season, which is why I'm getting golf right now and not a lot of football. I get a lot of, like, do it yourself stuff.

[C]

Ooh, DIYs. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of, like, building cabins in the backyard. Yep, yep, yep. Carpenter work.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

I mean, that's huge. I love that. I could sit there and watch that all day. There's actually. There's some. I gotta send it to you. There's a YouTube of, like. But it's like. It's an hour long. Like, it just shows these guys in the middle of like a jungle putting an entire, like, hotel suite with a pool. They're making this all out of clay and fucking wood. It's insane.

[A]

I'm more of a YouTube deep dive and then like, certain guys on that making stuff with, like, long form that I'll kind of try to get into. Once again, this edition of no Dumb questions was brought to you by Apple. All right, last thing before we wrap. Let's take a final look at the standings in the new heights Reese's bracket challenge. Shout out to the night Trooper Center's bracket leaders. We are recording this Monday morning. But right now, here is what we got. The women's winner, which is over. So this will be the winner.

[C]

Ucla. Man.

[A]

Congrats to Jenna Duncan.

[C]

Oh, very fitting.

[A]

I don't real last name. All right, way to go, Jenna. Winner of the women's bracket challenge. And then the men's leaders. It all comes down to the final. It will either be Connor or K. Moore.

[C]

Yes. Good luck to both you guys. Connor, cameo.

[A]

Whoever wins between Yukon and Michigan, Michigan looked real. I'm not going to lie. Once Houston was out, I thought Arizona was going to take it. Michigan, I mean, just Jesus.

[C]

But Yukon does have the juice too. These are this is going to be a fun game tonight.

[A]

I'm pumped. New Heights staff updates. Men's Jake has won the New Heights men's bracket challenge once again. He won it last year. The loser is still Aaron, who, I mean, in some ways did something nobody else thought possible. So congratulations, Aaron. Winning a single round of 32 game, something that I still can't believe. And the winner of the women's is. Pj. Pj, Congratulations. Way to go. And the loser is still Travis, despite his angling to somehow blame me for him losing to everybody in New Heights's bracket.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. I didn't say I blamed you for losing. I said you cheated. I didn't say I blame you for me losing.

[A]

You still lost to everybody else in the and I didn't cheat on the women. So women's identity actually didn't seek advice or change anything.

[C]

Yeah, you're right, mama.

[A]

Kelsey has weighed in. She knows that I will exhaust every loophole possible. She very cleanly did not call me a cheater, though. She did not say those words.

[C]

So listen, we all know you're a cheater. Everybody in the comments in the post news, they know that you're a cheater. And I rest my case, you're a cheater. You. If I have to do it, you have to do it.

[A]

Listen, I will do it. I will do it just because first of all, being in a Waffle House and trying that challenge sounds fun, but I in no way cheated. And I don't need to listen to a bunch of people who are fans of yours in the comments section accuse me. That's not how I. I deserve an unbiased jury, not the Travis Kelce fan club being like, oh, yeah, you did cheat, Jason.

[C]

No, you must.

[D]

You must.

[C]

You must look at the comments. Most of the comments actually say that they are not fans of me and that they are huge fans of you and that they typically side with you on everything, but you definitely cheated.

[A]

I cheated in no way. I don't know what to tell these people. They. It's a good thing that our fans are not judges.

[C]

Yeah, it's not an objective thing. It is a subjective thing. You cheated.

[A]

No, it's objective that I did not cheat. Cheat. It is not subjective. It is plain and apparent. It's actually. It's actually impossible to cheat in this because you hit submit and then your bracket is submitted. So there's no way for me to have cheated unless games already happen.

[C]

Cheater shout out to everyone that participated in this year's reez and New Heights bracket Challenge. We. We absolutely love doing these things. Next year we're going to go into it with a lot more details, knowing that some people like to bend the rules. We will be emailing the winners after the men's and women's finals, so please check your email after those games if you have won. Good luck to the games tonight.

[A]

Alrighty. That's a wrap up of another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Jim Nance and John Daly. Make sure you're subscribed to the New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.

[C]

Once again, New Heights of Wonder show brought to you by AT&T, our favorite provider out there. Follow the show on all social media at New height show with 1s. Thanks to the New Heights production team for always keeping us in line and finishing on time and doing things the right way because it get a little crazy in this world. Thank you guys and thank you to all the 92 percenters for tuning into this madness. We'll see you guys down there in Augusta if you're going going to be fun.

[A]

Hold up, hold up. I did do some research because we are. Are we doing the Waffle House challenge? That's what we're doing.

[D]

If that's what we can agree to, we'll do it. I don't know when we're going to record that.

[A]

Oh, in la. Well, there's no LA having it out here, brother. Probably do it down at Augusta this week.

[C]

Twist my arm.

[D]

I'll come to Augusta. What are you looking for?

[A]

I did a whole, like, calorie deep dive into how many calories it would be to eat your way out of Waffle House. Okay. And I cannot find it. How many calories are in a Waffle House waffle?

[D]

A standard, raw, fast waffle contains 400 calories.

[A]

Oh, that was not the number I got.

[D]

What'd you get?

[A]

It was higher than that. I know that.

[D]

All right, well, we can sidebar on this.

[C]

We're losing Travis.

[D]

We're losing him.

[C]

What do you mean you're not watching?

[D]

That's what I'm trying to keep going. You know, the show ends when it spiritually ends. It's just not really a. Let me just wrap this episode.

[C]

I think.

[D]

Let's wrap on out of here. I will walk away from the computer.

[C]

Come on, Jason.

[A]

God damn it.

[D]

Wrap the. We'll do this later. People don't want to watch us do math.