Julian Edelman & Cooper Kupp on Super Bowl 60, NFL Beauty Pageants, and Burger Flipping OCs | EP 178

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce: EP 178

"Julian Edelman & Cooper Kupp on Super Bowl 60, NFL Beauty Pageants, and Burger Flipping OCs"
Release Date: February 4, 2026
Podcast: New Heights (Wondery)

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Overview

In this high-energy Super Bowl 60 edition, the Kelce brothers welcome two of the NFL’s most celebrated wide receivers—Julian Edelman and Cooper Kupp—to go deep on Pats vs. Seahawks, career-defining plays, and life inside the league. The conversation is classic New Heights: big game analysis, personal stories, football nerdery, and loads of brotherly laughs. Also featured: the viral Philly fan kid Sam Salvo, a madcap discussion of O-line beauty pageants, and—of course—a master class in coffee.

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Main Segments and Timestamps

1. Eagles’ New Offensive Coordinator: Sean Mannion (01:19 – 08:55)
2. Super Bowl Pre-Game Vibes & NFL Stories (10:01 – 15:07)
3. Julian Edelman Interview (Patriots Perspective) (16:16 – 32:38)
4. Cooper Kupp Interview (Seahawks Perspective) (36:24 – 68:13)
5. Stamp of the Week & Beauty Pageant Bit (71:07 – 78:41)
6. Viral Philly Kid Sam Salvo Joins (79:03 – 89:40)
7. Final Super Bowl Thoughts & Plugs (89:40 – End)

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1. Eagles’ OC Hire & Scheme Talk

Timestamps: 01:19 – 08:55

• Sean Mannion Hired as Eagles Offensive Coordinator
  • Jason and Travis break down Mannion’s McVay-Shanahan-Gary Kubiak roots and why this means “the Eagles offense is going to look drastically different” next year.
  • Jason:

    “It’s a signal the Eagles are going to change drastically and probably in a way a lot of Eagles fans want… a lot of run play action, motion offenses.” (03:10)

  • Travis is excited to see Jalen Hurts “under center more” and how this will impact Saquon Barkley, emphasizing the importance of play action and outside zone runs.
  • Jason praises Mannion’s rapid rise and hints at planned film breakdowns to analyze what Eagles fans can expect.
  • The brothers riff on how Mannion needs to “win over the Philly faithful”—Jason jokes he should “go preemptively egg the house of the biggest, baddest Philadelphia Eagles fan... take the fight to them.” (07:44)

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2. Super Bowl Week Vibes & Family Stories

Timestamps: 10:01 – 15:07

• Travis shares his excitement for the Waste Management Open Pro Am, calling it “iconic for how much of a party it is all weekend. Infamous.” (10:13)
• Jason plugs ESPN’s new “Philly Special” documentary (airing Feb. 6), recalling memories of Super Bowl LII in freezing Minnesota:

  “I was just thankful for all the skywalks… not having to go outside.” (13:32)

• Brothers reminisce about childhood Super Bowl parties at “a house covered with Kurt Warner memorabilia—something about that’s just stuck in my brain, as a kid.” (15:07)

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3. Julian Edelman Interview – Patriots in the Super Bowl

Timestamps: 16:16 – 32:38

Introduction:

• Jason: “Here to represent the New England Patriots… three-time Super Bowl champion and MVP, Julian Edelman!” (16:16)

Key Discussion Points:

• Pats’ Confidence:
  • Edelman believes Pats are being underestimated:

    “These narratives… this organization has dealt with before… I’m excited to see what Vrabel and his coaches game plan for this one.” (17:41)

• Advice to Young Players:
  • “Keep the routine the same… it’s a marathon, not a sprint. The team that makes the least mistakes wins.” (19:17, 20:08)
  • Travis agrees, noting the pressure to “be the greatest” is real, but “big plays come by just being you.”
• Vrabel’s Impact:
  • Edelman credits team turnaround to “the perfect storm”—ownership, front office synergy, hitting on free agents and picks, and Vrabel’s leadership.

    “The crappiest team is not as crappy as you think in this league. They’re three, five players away.” (25:00)

• Patriots’ Keys to Victory:
  • “Patriots win if they get the ball off Sam Darnold and win the turnover margin… getting pressure in the middle of the pocket…” (27:31)
  • Jason echoes: “Interior pressure... disrupts the run game and pressures the quarterback.” (28:54)
• Favorite Super Bowl “Welcome” Moment:
  • Edelman:

    “First kickoff… just flashes everywhere… that, and the National Anthem. That’s when you feel how big this is.” (30:27 – 32:00)

• Football & Coffee Banter:
  • Edelman asks Kupp for French press tips; brothers joke, “Coffee is the only legal performance enhancer in the league!” (26:51)

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4. Cooper Kupp Interview – Seahawks in the Super Bowl

Timestamps: 36:24 – 68:13

Introduction:

• Jason: “Please welcome the 2021 NFL Offensive Player of the Year, Triple Crown winner, Super Bowl and SB MVP: Cooper Kupp!” (36:24)

Key Discussion Points:

• Returning to Super Bowl:
  • “Just don’t take these things for granted… I’ve been on teams we thought would get here and didn’t.” (37:55)
• Seattle Vibes and “Juice”:
  • “It wasn’t like… day one, we’ve got all the pieces. It was truly… a slow build, belief in one another, great energy in the locker room.” (38:44)
  • Travis: “You could feel the energy in preseason… these guys love playing the game.” (39:35)
• Sam Darnold’s Redemption:
  • Kupp:

    “Quarterbacks in general are on the highest pedestal... for Sam Darnold to push through all those things... and just ball out like this... it’s not talked about enough how special and how difficult that is.” (40:31)

  • Jason: “Once the narrative’s set, it’s hard to get a next opportunity… it’s hard not to root for the Ginger Cuz.” (41:33)
• QB Meetings Nerdiness:
  • Why Kupp still attends QB meetings: “I want to be watching film with the QB… understand their perspective, progression, when the ball’s coming… It really changes how I run my route.” (43:09)
• Route Running Masterclass:
  • Kupp (explaining 'indicator'):

    “I gotta use my body to communicate to the quarterback… he’s gonna be letting the ball go when my back’s turned, so he needs to know: ‘it’s happening now.’” (45:00)

  • Travis: “He never gives the indicators to the defense… that keeps timing so true.” (45:34)
• Playing for Mike Macdonald vs. McVay:
  • Kupp notes: “If you don’t have a great day, it’s fine; defensive head coach is just pumped for the defense… offense didn’t matter as much. But both dudes are doing it at the highest level.” (46:57)
• Stafford vs. Darnold:
  • “Matthew’s like an AI center in his head—he stores every look, every pressure. Sam’s so process-driven… so prepared it’s almost ‘over-prepared’.” (49:17)
• Insights on JSN and Seattle’s WR room:
  • “JSN is one of the best I’ve seen… he can run a 15-yard outbreaking speed cut and never change the level.” (54:50)
• Coffee Deep Dive:
  • Julian’s French press questions return; Kupp gives a step-by-step and gently roasts Edelman for “chewing” his coffee.

    “Attention to detail! For Julian Edelman, one of the most detailed receivers, to just throw things together... it broke my heart.” (57:55)

  • The brothers and Kupp swap bean stories and brewing preferences (“black coffee all the way”), resulting in Kupp promising to send Jason a real coffee setup.
• Welcome to Super Bowl Moment:
  • Kupp, with disarming humility, shares:

    “Standing on the sideline, feeling the chaos, when Belichick decided, ‘we’re going 6-1 all game’ and flipped the script on us... That was my ‘this is the Super Bowl’ moment.” (64:48)

• Seahawks’ Keys to Victory:
  • “Be us… run through people’s faces, run the ball, pass the ball, defense runs and hits. Do what got us here.” (67:05)

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5. Stamp of the Week & NFL Beauty Pageant Bit

Timestamps: 71:07 – 78:41

• The Kelces review viral/laugh-out-loud NFL and sports moments:
  • A toupee goes flying in a fight (“I think he won the fight, though!”)
  • Indoor lacrosse big hits: “Are you allowed to do that in lacrosse?… That’s clean, I don’t care what anybody says.” (73:35)
  • Iowa’s Jennings Dunker’s mullet and O-line physique.

    Jason: “If you designed an offensive lineman in a lab, this is what he’d look like.”

  • Bit about creating an “offensive line beauty pageant” akin to best-in-show for dogs and horses.

    Jason: “Quarterbacks walking them around on a leash, up on the stage… measuring their ass.” (75:21) Travis: “We can’t be putting guys on leashes…” (75:33)

  • Joke about the Titans filling their staff with bald coaches (“I’d hate to be in the stands with all the shining heads!”).

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6. Viral Philly Kid Sam Salvo Joins

Timestamps: 79:03 – 89:40

• Sam Salvo, the Philadelphia kid known for his “A.J. Brown, pack your bags!” viral rant, comes on for his take.
• The spatula-as-mic bit returns—Sam holds a spatula during his call.
• Sam’s verdict on Eagles OC Sean Mannion:

  “If he could work with Jordan Love and make him a top tier passer... maybe he could work with Jalen better.” (82:21)

• AJ Brown take: “Not 100% sure… build around Schmitty but having someone to rely on is good.” (82:49)
• On what he wants from the Eagles’ run game:

  “Run it more to the strong side… more outside zone plays. If we could get Jalen reading the defense better...” (83:17)

• Sam’s knowledge and passion draw praise; Jokes about whether he’s regurgitating his dad’s takes.
  • Sam: “None of it! I came up with it all, except AJ Brown packing his bags.” (85:52)
• Sam picks the Patriots to win the Super Bowl:

  “Even though Drake May hasn’t played his best ball… he’s gonna come up huge in this game.” (86:38)

• Sam’s dad joins, confirming the kid “has been wild since he came out the womb” and roasting his own quarterbacking in youth football:

  “He’s screaming from the sideline, ‘You’re the biggest bum quarterback in this league!’” (88:02)

• Sam shouts out his school friends and plugs his own merch.

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7. Final Thoughts & Super Bowl Predictions

Timestamps: 89:40 – End

• Travis leans toward Seattle but is emotionally rooting for Sam Darnold’s redemption.

  “He’s playing better than he’s played all career.” (90:53)

• Jason and Travis reflect on how Super Bowl week has turned into an NFL convention.
• Thanks to all the episode’s guests and a closing nod to Sam Salvo’s “Table C Boys”—Jason: “He’s a natural. Get the plug in. Well done, brother.” (87:29)

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Notable Quotes

“Eagles fans have been voicing their displeasure... This is a clear sign that’s going to be drastically different next year. I’m excited to see what this looks like.”
—Jason Kelce on Philly’s new OC (03:10)

“It’s not the team that makes the most plays—it’s the team that makes the least amount of mistakes.”
—Julian Edelman, on Super Bowl keys (20:08)

“Quarterbacks...you don’t have a whole lot of time to prove yourself before you get counted out. For Sam Darnold to do what he did...it’s not talked about enough how special and how difficult that is.”
—Cooper Kupp on Sam Darnold’s journey (40:31)

“If you designed an offensive lineman in a lab, this is what he’d look like. Look at this guy.”
—Jason Kelce on Jennings Dunker (74:30)

“Coffee is a performance enhancer in the league—you’re not drinking coffee, you’re doing yourself a disservice.”
—Cooper Kupp (62:46)

“If he could work with Jordan Love and make him a top tier passer...maybe he can work with Jalen better than Petullo.”
—Sam Salvo, age ~10, on Sean Mannion (82:21)

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Tone and Banter

• The show is playful, irreverent, and packed with football insight and family humor.
• Candid player analysis seamlessly blends into goofy side tracks (toupee fights, O-line dog shows, coffee hot takes).
• Guests match the Kelces' energy, especially on personal routines, post-championship life, and what it takes to win when the stage is largest.

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For More

• Watch film breakdowns and off-air video at the New Heights YouTube channel.
• Super Bowl party tips, football-centric merch, and more at KelseyClubhouse.com.

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Summary by Theme — The Takeaways:

• *Super Bowl nerves and preparation are real—routine, mental stamina, and not forcing the big play are echoed advice from Edelman, Kupp, and both Kelces.
• “Being yourself” under pressure is a recurring message from both guests, reframing the idea that the Super Bowl is “just another game”—but with the volume cranked way up.
• The special mix of football intelligence, locker room culture, and pure fun that makes New Heights an audience favorite is on full display: big laughs, inside details, and grounded commentary about what actually drives success in the NFL.

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Highly recommended segments:

• Julian Edelman’s practical advice to rookies and his glowing, real-world praise for Vrabel (19:05–24:46)
• Cooper Kupp’s QB/WR nerdery and process talk (43:09–46:45)
• Sam Salvo’s viral analysis and rapid-fire takes (79:03–86:44)
• The O-line “beauty pageant” riff and playful banter about NFL culture (74:11–76:49)

Perfect for:

• Fans seeking a blend of big-game anticipation, real player insight, and unfiltered fun ahead of Super Bowl 60.

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Go Birds, Go Table C!

Transcript

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Taylor's gonna kill me. Welcome back to new Heist. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls of all ages, this is a wondry show and it is brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. How about it? Don't forget to pay your taxes. We are your hosts. I'm Travis Gus. This is my brother, Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. University of Cincinnati alum shout out to those bear cats. Subscribe on YouTube onesie plus wherever you get your podcasts and make sure you follow the show on all social media. At new height show with 1s, we got a lot of fun clips throughout the week. And especially coming up to super bowl weekend, we're gonna have some good. And Jason's right now is going to tell you about all the wonderful that we have coming up on this episode specifically.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right, 92 percenters. We've got another great episode. It's super bowl week. We'll preview the big game and we've got two incredible guests to help us do it. That's right. Cooper cup and Julie Edelman are on the show right now today. And we're going to let them kind of tell us what they think as well as what's the conference ruble 60. But before we get into that, let's get into some of that new news. New news is brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. And the newest news of new news is that the Eagles have finally hired an offensive coordinator, Sean Manion.

[Travis Kelsey]

How about it?

[Jason Kelsey]

For those of you that are unaware, Sean Manion's past and what he is is, I guess, what his lineage is. He has been in the McVeigh tree pretty much his entire career. He was with the Rams briefly under Jeff Fisher, but for the most part he has been with Sean McVay in the Rams. He's been with Kevin O' Connell in the Vikings, and he is, more importantly, only been coaching for two years under the Matt LaFleur tree in green Bay. So. So he is very well versed in that specific coaching tree. What does that tell me, that system that tells me the Eagles offense is going to look drastically different. That's a signal that the Eagles are going to try and Move into where a lot of the NFL is going, which is a lot of the run play action, motion offenses that are really spreading across the league because they've been very successful. Yeah, a lot of this stuff is rooted in the Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak lineages back in the 90s, Denver Broncos era, Terrell Davis, John Elway and rooted in outside zone boot. These offenses are doing more duo.

[Travis Kelsey]

Don't forget how, how, how, how well that tight end can thrive in these offense with little Shannon Sharpe.

[Jason Kelsey]

Man. Oh, you're right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Uncle's a part of those Broncos years.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is a signal that the, the Eagles are going to change drastically and probably change in a way that a lot of Eagles fans want them to do. There's been a lot of noise throughout the year about, you know, stagnant offenses, limited route, receiver route, trees, you know, a lot of things that Monday morning quarterbacks have been showing clips of and getting Eagles fans fired up about. Eagles fans have been voicing their displeasure of what the offense looked like. This is a clear sign that that is going to be drastically different next year. I'm excited to see what this looks like.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jalen's under center a lot more in this, this type of offense and what that does for Saquon, what that does for, for, for Jaylen in terms of run, run fakes and things like that. Obviously like he's, he's always been a kind of in the gun kind of quarterback, but I think there's, it, there's something about what this offense, this style of offense does to, to help a quarterback if he just dives in and, and, and accepted. Now, don't get me wrong, it's Jaylen Herz. They're going to do stuff out of the gun because that's where he's comfortable and they're going to, they're going to come kind of mold this thing around him because he's the one, he's the signal caller. But at the same time I'm interested to see, you know, how they're going to be using these big offensive linemen in the, in the outside zone and all the different variations of it. It's going to be, it's going to be fun to see how it all kind of unfolds.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I think you bring up a good point about it molding around Jalen hurts. I think it'll be interesting to see how much this offense for the Eagles next year does look like. A lot of these other McVeigh Shanahan tree coaches and what they did in what he did in Green Bay with LaFleur vs. What the Eagles have had success with with Jalen Hurts and the skill set that he has. They. When they had Malik Willis playing this year, they did a lot more of gun runs and zone reads and things like that. Jordan Love will do that stuff as well. The one thing I really like about Charmaine is that he has familiarity a little bit in that stuff as well, especially as a quarterback coach. He understands, you know, how do we utilize the strengths of the signal caller. You saw Jordan Love develop when he got to Green Bay and become a better player. So there's a lot of things that I like out of what appears to be Sean Manion's, not just his past experiences and players he's coached, but also how those players have developed and gotten better. I also like that he's a fast riser. Right. Two years and all of a sudden he's an offensive coordinator. That tells me that there's a lot of other coaches that are speaking very highly of this guy, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yep. You don't get an opportunity like this without a lot of people vouching for you this early.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm excited to see what this thing look like. Looks like I really am.

[Travis Kelsey]

People in, in Philadelphia are getting what they asked for. They're going to get a completely different version of these. This highly skilled and highly powerful offense, as well as everyone's coming back healthy. So it's good. It's definitely going to be something that's. That is going to be fun to watch.

[Jason Kelsey]

No doubt. There is still the question mark. I mean, the big thing everybody's talking about, he's never called plays. Right? That's the big negative. And most of the really good play callers that are doing a great job currently in the NFL already have jobs. Right. There was a guy available, Mike McDaniel. He took the LA job. Brian Dable takes a Tennessee job. So, you know, who else do you get that is you feel really confident in? They decide to go with the guy who's up and coming and has a lot of interesting backgrounds and ways to kind of shift and mold the offense into something new. And we're just gonna have to wait and see how he is as a play caller.

[Travis Kelsey]

I hear you. And don't get me wrong, having Andy Reid as my play caller. My entire life, I have been the most fortunate of having a really seasoned play caller that knows. Knows when to dial these things up. But at the end of the day, there's going to be, you know, going to be those big Time, situational plays where, yeah, you're really leaning on the coach to, to put you in a good spot. But at the, the majority, I think, of the time in the NFL, you're going out there, you're having to make something work. And, and so at the end, you have the players there, and it's just the accountability and making sure that it all meshes well and that the, the coaches are putting them in good positions. But at the end of the day, you know, going out there making those fucking plays is, is, is what's going to change the game.

[Jason Kelsey]

No doubt. And there's a question in here. What does he have to do to win over the Philly faithful? Let's. I mean, there's. It's not complicated. You go out there and win games, you have a good offense. I mean, there's not an easy way to do it. I mean, sometimes you gotta, you gotta kick the biggest. You gotta go. Jail rules, right? When you go to jail and there's a lot of intimidating.

[Travis Kelsey]

You don't know anything about jail, Jason.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, I hear this, though. I hear this from people who've been to jail. I've heard it in movies. So it's got to have some truth. You go up to the biggest, baddest guy and you start a fight. Right. To set the tone that I'm not to be fucked with. Right. So I think Sean Manion needs to go to the biggest, baddest Philadelphia Eagles fan's house and just go and egg it. He's just got to egg their house preemptively egg their house, take the fight to them.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just start eggin houses.

[Jason Kelsey]

Listen, we do have some film breakdown in video that we're going to be diving into from Sean Manion in Green Bay and looking at, you know, what this offense looks like. I think we've wanted to get into video breakdowns before. It's not the easiest to figure out virtually and with all the editing and whatnot. But we've tried to do something and we're only going to get better at it. Yeah, so we're going to be doing some film breakdown of why we like the hire, why we don't. What we think it'll incorporate into the Philadelphia Eagles offense as well as just watching ball. I love watching talking ball. And Green Bay was doing some really cool, interesting things. So, yeah, keep a Lookout on the YouTube channel for when that comes out. And yeah, we also have a special guest at the end of the episode today.

[Travis Kelsey]

You guys are not going to want.

[Jason Kelsey]

To miss this who was not the biggest fan of Kevin Patullo. As you guys might remember, we got Sam Salvo, the young man who went virtual for saying that Kevin Pitullo should be flipping burgers. And A.J. brown needs to start packing his bags at the end of the episode. He's a young star in the making, and we're going to have him on to talk about this new hire in Sean Manion.

[Travis Kelsey]

Can't fucking wait.

[Jason Kelsey]

Travis is headed to Waste Management's open Pro Am.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, sir.

[Jason Kelsey]

Trav, you've been there before. You played in it.

[Travis Kelsey]

So those. Those of you that don't know what it is. It's the PGA tournament out in Arizona, out in Phoenix. The Waste Management Open is iconic. It's iconic for how much of a party it is all weekend. Infamous. Whole 16 part three is. Is electric. They create an entire arena around a par three. It's like it's done like no other hole in golf, and it's epic, man. I've always wanted to play in it. I've always wanted to, well, obviously play in the pga, but I've always wanted to actually, like, play the course while this grandstand is there. And it's pretty cool that. That I'm getting the opportunity to.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. Well, famously, in the past, the tournament has had to suspend alcohol sales because it is that wild folks. Waste Management does not mess around. Trav, are you ready for this? Who you paired with?

[Travis Kelsey]

Am I. I don't know if I'm allowed to say or if I'm. If I even know exactly who it is that I'm paired with. Whoever I'm playing with, they're a fucking PGA golfer. You know what I mean? So anytime I'm. I'm around, you know, pros in different. Different sports, I always get pumped to, like, just, I don't know, kind of pick their brain and be a part of their world. So this would be. This would be pretty damn cool, especially at a tournament like Waste Management.

[Jason Kelsey]

That par three, what's the distance on that sucker?

[Travis Kelsey]

Do you know, last year, it was anywhere from, like, 150 to 180.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay. Okay. So it's not. It's not like a crazy distance.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think they give people the excitement that. Oh, like, somebody might jar this. You know, it's not, like the. The hardest, like, you know, green to hit.

[Jason Kelsey]

So like a 230 where you're, like, trying to choose, or am I hitting a long iron? Or what am I doing here? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can't wait. I'm pumped for this. I haven't swung a golf club in three weeks. This will be so much fun to just go out there and try not to hit one off of the nozzle and smoke somebody in the stands, which would also be hilarious. I'm either going for that or going to jar one, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Kill one or hole in one. Got it. All right. ESPN is airing the Philly special this Friday, February 6th. A 30 for 30 is coming out on the Phillies special. That's right.

[Cooper Kupp]

What?

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you in it?

[Jason Kelsey]

I am. Yes, I'm in it. Nick Foles. Is it any everybody that touched the ball in the Philly Special, as well as Doug Peterson, who made the call? Dougie P. Listen, it's. It's really all encompassing of that super bowl run, but the emphasis is definitely on that play in particular and that moment for Philadelphia. So it was a blast to be a part of all of us got together, me, Corey, Trey Burton, Nick Foles and Doug Peterson in Philadelphia to reminisce about the play and talk about what led to that moment. So that was a lot of fun. And I can't wait to see what the final product looks like, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think, dude, I can't wait either, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was just so wild. Fourth and one in the Super Bowl.

[Travis Kelsey]

Biggest game your life. 30 seconds left in the half. Oh, I can't fucking wait. God. Doggone, man, talk about crazy weather in the United States right now. That fucking week in Minnesota. Holy.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was a balmy. What, 12? I don't remember. I just remember leaving the stadium and it was cold as.

[Travis Kelsey]

And it was a blizzard the whole time. Like, literally. I remember this is kind of when Uber started and like, Lyft and all these car services really started to, like, become a thing. And I'm over here trying to get them everywhere and they're like, bro, I'm. I can't even get to you. Like, the roads are so bad, the traffic is all backed up because there's really nowhere for everybody to go because everyone's driving so slow. Like, it was like you had to get an Uber an hour and a half in advance. And it was like, man, it was insane. But it made it that much more fun to kind of be in that bubble downtown with everyone, because everyone was just like, you know what? I'm not. I'm not going out to the Mall of America because I can't get there. You know, I'm going to go ahead and just hit the bars and, and hit these restaurants around downtown and meet up with friends. And, man, it made it for such a unique super bowl, man, it was so cool to, you know, see my brother win his first Super Bowl. But also, you know, it amongst the. The madness that was that Minnesota downtown, that. That year.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was wild. It sure was. I. I was just thankful for all the skywalks not having to go outside.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, the skywalks. How about. They got that figured out in Minnesota, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

If they were going to make a doc about any other game or play from your career. What. What. What do you think they'd make a doc about? Trav?

[Travis Kelsey]

Me? Like the Chiefs?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Or something in your career?

[Travis Kelsey]

I think it would probably be the three Jet wasp. The play in the super bowl to Tyreek where we're down two scores and we need a huge player down three scores and need a huge play down to our last, you know, or what felt like our last dollar. And Tyreek came up fucking big with Coach B. Enemy calling the right play and Pat kind of throwing out. Throwing it out there as famous words.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got wasp. What about wasp.

[Travis Kelsey]

Man? Absolutely electric. So I'd say that's probably our Philly special in that regard, and that's the only one that really comes to mind.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, last bit of new news. Not sure you guys know this, but we do have a website, KelseyClubhouse.com. if you're throwing a Super bowl party, we got you covered. Check out the sale for all of your party essentials. That's right. Tablecloths, heat thermometer. Definitely got to know if that meat is done cooking.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, little jungle juice dispenser.

[Travis Kelsey]

Can't forget your football balloons. Gotta make it festive.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, don't forget that charcoal, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, X's and O's plates.

[Jason Kelsey]

Make it football centric. Live it up. I mean, this is the time of year, man. This is basically a national holiday. Super bowl time.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, I don't know whose super bowl party it was. I don't even know whose house we were at. I just remember mom and dad taking us to a Super bowl party, and it was the year that the Titans played the. The Rams in the super bowl, and it came down to that last, like, play. You remember this? The greatest show? I don't know, but I remember it like it was yesterday. The whole house that, like, it was a. They were all cheering for the Rams. For sure. It was a St. Louis, like, house. Because the entire, like, I just remember Kurt Warner memorabilia being everywhere. And all the cups and everything were St. Louis. All the napkins were St. Louis. And it's just something about that, as a kid man, it's just implemented in my brain. Brain. All right, now, once again, that's new news brought to you by Reese's Oreo Cups. Let's keep this thing moving into a little bit of Super Bowl Bold topics. That's right. It's the big game this Sunday, and we got some big things to talk about. First thing is that Bold topics is brought to you by Xfinity. That's right. This week, we're bringing some friends on to talk about this big game, and as always, we have our notorious introductioneer. I just made up a word. You know, Guys know what I'm talking about.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jason here, but introductioneer. I see what you did there. Yeah, Jason, either way, we got some awesome guests. Let's get to the first one right now. Here to represent the New England Patriots, he is the host of games with names and Dudes on dudes podcast, a seven yard pick out of Kent State, three time Super bowl champion and Super Bowl MVP. 92% is. Please welcome back to the show for his second appearance, Mr. Julian Edelman.

[Travis Kelsey]

Edel Nut Ed himself.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's back.

[Julian Edelman]

How you guys doing? How you guys doing? Thanks for having me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Doing great, man. It's shoot bowl weekend.

[Travis Kelsey]

No job, January over here, man. Just enjoying some. Some free time watching, some. Watching some good ball on the. On Sundays, man.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah. You're not used to that, though. It's. That's probably an uncomfortable feeling, huh?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know the feeling, dude. You know the feeling.

[Julian Edelman]

I get it. I get it. When you go to. I mean, you both have been to a bunch of Super Bowls and. And a lot of them in a short amount of time. Like, your body clock is messed up that first time. You're. You're not in it. You're like, what's going? Like, I'm growing a beard. I'm five years out. It just feels right. I'm like, what the hell are we doing?

[Travis Kelsey]

It looks like doing this still don't change it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't change it.

[Cooper Kupp]

It's stupid.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's 80 degrees. You're not in Boston anymore, Jules. You don't need that.

[Julian Edelman]

I know. No.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, well, should we get right into the pats? What do you think?

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's do it, dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

How you feeling? What. What. What's your confidence level for the super bowl for the Patriots?

[Julian Edelman]

Well, I'm excited. I'm super excited, and I am very confident with. With the Patriots going into this game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

There's been a lot of talk about the easy road, the schedule, young football team going against a juggernaut And a lot of these narratives are things that this organization has dealt with before. So, you know, I'm. I'm very. I'm very interested to see the coaches of the Patriots and what they game plan going into this thing. They've got. They've had a lot of experience in this, you know, Raves. Yeah. He's. He's never coached in one, but he's got Josh McDaniels who's coached in 10.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

He's been a former head coach. Rabes has played in this thing. So I just think there's a lot of value in that experience of the routine of the super bowl, because you guys know more than anyone right now, this game is a different game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Completely different.

[Julian Edelman]

And. And the little things that the coaches prepare you for, or at least me, I saw come to fruition in the game. So I. I think I'm. I'm excited with their opportunity.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, man. So there's something we wanted to ask you. It is a young team. There's a lot of guys that haven't played in it. You mentioned Braves, your organization have a ton of experience in this game.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right.

[Jason Kelsey]

You yourself, obviously, ton of experience playing in this game in this week. What piece of advice would you give the guys that are playing in it for the first time, the Drake Mays and the young players? What would you tell them?

[Julian Edelman]

My advice would be is keep the routine the same. Maybe. Maybe if you want, you know, do a little couple extras, like I'd always catch another, like 500 balls after practice or, you know, something that wouldn't tax my body, but fundamentally get me confident and keep the routine the same. You know, you guys are here for a reason. It's because of how you prepared all year going into a game. It always worked, you know, and it continued to work, so you don't have to do too much. And then one last thing I would tell them, you know, be prepared for a marathon, not a sprint. This thing, this game is a. It's longer.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yep.

[Julian Edelman]

Be prepared for, you know, spurts of rhythm throughout the game and take advantage of that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

But know that this is a long game and. And the team that wins is the team that makes the least amount of mistakes, not the team that makes the most plays. If you watch.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

You know, it's. It's the team that makes the least amount of mistakes. You know, left tackle, jumping off sides, a receiver not breaking hot on a hot route, and it's interception, you know, the quarterback not getting the right protection. Things that we're not Going to see that you need to check the box every, you know, play. When we're evaluating our plays after the game, like just don't have those negative plays. The team that has the least amount of those wins.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, dude. It's crazy to say that because a lot of the times in these big games, especially early on, you feel like you gotta be your greatest. You feel like you gotta make that extra, that crazy one handed catch when no one like expects you to make the play. But it's really just those little things that, you know, you're getting that cutoff block on the back side. So if that thing, you know, peels back to you, you know, so you can get six yards exactly, just so you can get a few yards and get downhill, you now you're not playing behind the sticks and things like that. It's, it's such a easy concept to like talk about. But when you're in it, man, you want to be your best and you want the one that like catapults the, the guys to the, to the next game or to the, to the, to the win. And it's like, man, if you just go out there and, and focus on doing those little things, the jobs, those, those big plays when the instincts are, are, are when you're in it and those big plays need to be made, you're, you'll make them by just like being you, you know, you don't got to be an extra version of yourself. So I'm, I'm so with you on that, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Absolutely.

[Julian Edelman]

And then you know, like in, and it sounds easy. Oh, hey, just do. But the distractions and the, you know, the pre game ceremonies and the 28 minute halftime. There's so many different variables that make it so much harder than a regular game.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes.

[Julian Edelman]

You know what I mean? So that lull, it's not going to be a sprint. This thing's not going to happen after, you know, you stop, you hold the team three and out you go and score. Oh, this game's over, you know. No, this thing is going to be a marathon. They're, they're always close more than they're not, right. Which they can get to not being close. They could be a blowout. But more than not, it's, it's, it's usually a close game.

[Travis Kelsey]

Have you talked to Braves at all?

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah, I, I, I, I talked to Braves week three when they lost to this. Who'd they lose to? Was it the Raiders or. No, no, it was the Saints maybe. I, I had the hall of Fame Induction. Braves came to the ceremony, and that was like, one of the last times they lost. But, yeah, we talked a little bit. He kind of busted my ball, said I went a little long on my hall of Fame speech and told me, you know, he goes, jules, you know, hey, just to give you a reminder, halftime, I know you're going to speak to the crowd and everything. Just remember it's 12 minutes. All right, but it's 12 minutes in the regular season.

[Travis Kelsey]

What a God. You missed. You missed him by, like, one year, right?

[Julian Edelman]

In terms of playing, I missed him by one year. He got signed to the Chiefs. I got drafted in. But we used to go to the Kentucky Derby together, and we had so much crossover that, you know, I feel like I played with them and the stories about Braves lived on past Braves just in the locker room.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can only imagine. If you got a good one, please share, man. I. He's a Northeast Ohio guy, so watching Braves at Ohio State and then obviously at the Patriots is like. I feel like he's like a part of my family for some reason.

[Julian Edelman]

It was always like, hey, you know, Raves would have killed you for getting on this taping table as a rookie before this guy. Like, little things like that. And then you always heard, you know, coach would reference. Other coaches would reference. Oh, you know, very able to. Ate that up on scout team or. Or, you know, this guy was one of the smartest football players that we. We've ever seen. And when you're hearing that from, you know, the coaches that we had, that I think, you know, are pretty dang good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

You know, if they're going to carry a guy's name, he must have been doing something right. Him and Rodney Harrison, they always talked about Rodney. They talked about a lot of those former guys, but, you know, they always talked about Braves in a. In a. In a great fashion. And it's been really cool to see him. He's always been a stud, though. Like, it's not like, oh, this is his first time doing good things.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right.

[Julian Edelman]

He was great with Tenn. See, he was, you know, when he went to Ohio State as a.

[Cooper Kupp]

As a.

[Julian Edelman]

As a younger coach. And he's done great things. Anything he's done. So it's been really cool to see.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was gonna ask you, what do you. What do you think has enabled him to have so much success so quickly in New England, like, in one year to be in the super bowl, to turn it around from what it's been the last couple years? I mean, it's it's amazing. Like, truly it is.

[Julian Edelman]

I think it's a combination of things. I think RKK, Mr. Kraft making the right call, getting the right people in the building at the right time. I think it's the relationship between Elliott, Wolf, Stretch, Vrabel, whoever's getting the players in. They've hit on a lot of their free agents. Milt Williams been lights out. Spillane's been lights out. Diggs in the offensive sides brought a new attitude to that receiver room. And then they have 11 rookies that they've drafted on the team. So, you know, they've been hitting on guys they brought in, guys they've drafted. And Drake may having Josh McDaniels this year, I think has been huge. So I think it's a combination of, like, the perfect storm of things happening. And things can happen that quick in this league because, you know, it's built on parody. And the crappiest team is not as crappy as you think in this league. Like, they're like three players, five players away, which can be hit in a draft or through free agency, however your team is built. So I think it's a combination of things.

[Jason Kelsey]

Love it. Love it.

[Julian Edelman]

And Brady's a great coach, too, you know.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, we got Cooper cup coming on here. After you, brother. To represent the Seattle side. Two of the best wide receivers ever to play in the super bowl, man. Cooper's coming back for his second run at it. You got anything you want to say to Cooper? Have anything avid questions for him?

[Julian Edelman]

Ask him.

[Cooper Kupp]

I've.

[Julian Edelman]

I've been making my French press coffee a little weird.

[Jason Kelsey]

How many?

[Julian Edelman]

Just ask him what's the weight on how much I gotta put in? Because he's a big coffee guy. He did his dodo thing over here once, you know, he gave me a coffee machine. You know, we know he's the triple crown winner. We know he's still balling in the super bowl, and he's still balling at a high level at a high age. But I just want to know about the coffee. How's.

[Jason Kelsey]

How do I get my.

[Julian Edelman]

My French press right?

[Jason Kelsey]

Coffee is an underrated part about having success in the league, too. Whenever I get a young guy and he's not drinking coffee, I'm like, do it. Do you not like taking legal performance enhancers? Why the would you not drink coffee? What are you doing, man?

[Julian Edelman]

I didn't drink coffee until I got in the league.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right.

[Julian Edelman]

Then I started chewing. I started drinking coffee. I mean, how do you get through these meetings?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's Right. That's right.

[Julian Edelman]

People don't realize there's.

[Jason Kelsey]

There's.

[Julian Edelman]

This is like you have to go to school before you get to just play football. It's like you're in class all day long.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

So fucking good. All right, we got the French press, man. I'm actually curious about this one.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is there anything you would say the Patriots win if they do X, they.

[Julian Edelman]

Get the ball off Sam Darnold.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay.

[Julian Edelman]

Patriots win if they can get the ball off Sam Darnold and. And win that turnover margin. Yeah, I, I really think if you get it to a nitty gritty game, you have Milton Williams in the middle, Barmore on the other in the middle together, getting pressure in the middle of the pocket and getting a takeaway from that explosive offense, like, I think. And they got to take advantage of it.

[Cooper Kupp]

I think they.

[Julian Edelman]

They have a. That's their best opportunity of, Of. Of winning. Because, like, I think Seattle, if you look at them, they're a complimentary football team. We've talked about all year, all phases, special teams, offense, defense, you know, but when they've gotten to hairy, nitty gritty games with teams, you know, they've been able to, like, beat them with all their units, I don't think they could do that with the Patriots. They're pretty dang good on all three units, too. So I think when they get into a hairy game with a team that can nullify him on special teams and not give them an explosion play or maybe hit them with the explosion play with Marcus Jones at punt returner kickoff, like, I think those are the types of teams that they struggle with because then it presses on to Darnold to making a play. They got to get more in the drop back. They can't play on schedule with their run game.

[Cooper Kupp]

Always.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

So getting the ball off, Sam, getting that pressure in the middle of the pocket, I think they'll.

[Travis Kelsey]

They'll.

[Julian Edelman]

It'll give them their best chance to win.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love it. Makes all the sense in the world.

[Jason Kelsey]

Interior pressure. If you look at, like, all the super bowl teams that have won over the last few years, I mean, you look at dominant D tackles and controlling the middle of that freaking line of scrimmage, and it disrupts the run game and then it pressures the quarterback. Everybody wants to talk about edge pressure. There's something about that interior pressure. And Milton Williams and Barmer are freaking balling right now, Both of them.

[Julian Edelman]

Well, especially his pocket passer, you know. You know, Sam, he's athletic. Don't you know, he's but he likes to do everything behind that center at 8, 7 yards, wherever that spot is for him. Yeah, and he likes to deliver the ball off that play action. They do a great job moving it. But, you know, Sam saying he.

[Jason Kelsey]

He.

[Brandon]

He.

[Julian Edelman]

He don't like that middle pressure. If you watch whenever he struggled, it's because of that pressure right in his face.

[Cooper Kupp]

Because it.

[Julian Edelman]

It's hard to dissect that defense.

[Jason Kelsey]

Absolutely. Gets him a little bit off schedule, gets him off target. And then also. Yeah, he'll still throw it up there.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, let's hit it with this last thing. Dude, we got to know. You're welcome to. Welcome to the super bowl moment. Out of. Out of all the. All the Super Bowls you went to, man, what was the one moment that that hit you that you can remember? That was just like, man, that was. I'm in it, man.

[Julian Edelman]

I. I really think there's two. For me from my first one. We lost against the New York Giants in 2011, and that was still early. That was, like, still kind of almost pre phone. Still getting into the phone age and the phone age. That first kickoff, when you used to run in these Super Bowls, all you would see is just flashes.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

And I was an R2. And you'd run. And I just remember seeing all the flashes on kickoff, and I remember seeing those flashes.

[Travis Kelsey]

Cinematic, dude. That's crazy.

[Julian Edelman]

Yeah, it's super. I remember that. And the National Anthem, you know, and the national anthem's going. You see whoever. Who. Who's singing it, some. Whatever celebrities there. You know, you start to feel the environment of how big this is. I think those two things were like my welcome to the super bowl moment. By the time, you know, we got there in 14 again and then 16, you know, then I had. I kind of. I kind of had a feel for it. But that first time, you know, it's like, holy smokes, dude. What are we doing here? Batman, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

Pre phone and pre kickoff. Like, change. Like the kickoff. When it was the kickoff. You know what I mean? We're char.

[Julian Edelman]

I'm gonna go bust a wedge.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. And the moment you said national anthem, I started getting goosebumps because that is. And still, even like, when I'm at a regular game, every time I hear the National Anthem, that kind of is like, for some reason, a very visceral moment for me. And I don't think it's just about the National Anthem. It's something about, like, that it's about to happen. Like, that's always the trigger in our heads for timing. Yes. And at the super bowl, it just is at another level every single time. That's one of my favorite moments when they're videotaping everybody and you see guys just like so emotional, like, just like cage dogs ready to get out there and, man, put you right back into it for sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

It really does, man.

[Julian Edelman]

The national anthem. Anytime you watch it, like, especially in the big games, you know, you got the jets flying over, got the military there, the fans are going, you know what I mean? And you got, you know, someone's crying, you know, that's, that's that. Because that, like you said, it's ripe.

[Cooper Kupp]

It's calm before the storm.

[Julian Edelman]

It's about to. It's about to go down.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Julian Edelman]

And it's been like that since we were kids.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian Edelman]

Right after the national anthem, we're going and we're playing ball.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Travis Kelsey]

Everybody fire up, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm fired up for the super bowl, baby. I can't wait. Wait, Pat. Seahawks. We appreciate you hopping on Jules. You're the man, brother.

[Julian Edelman]

No problem, guys. Thanks for having me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you to Julian Edelman. Edelnut did not disappoint.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jules is the man, dude.

[Jason Kelsey]

But we do have one more guest. We do. We've heard from the Patriots side and contingency. Now it's time to go to Seattle.

[Travis Kelsey]

We have the other white wide out.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, man. We have the one and only Cooper Cup. All right, thank you to our presenting sponsor, Intuit TurboTax.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

We've shown you over the last few weeks some of the incredible new features Acrobat has to offer. But what about non football content?

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. We've had so many amazing guests this season and in order to have meaningful conversations, a lot of research goes into every interview prep.

[Travis Kelsey]

How about it, Brandon? Why don't you take your final victory lap showing the 92 percenters here how PDF spaces can be used for interview prep.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay, let's see. Let's see how this happens.

[Brandon]

All right, thank you. Final victory lap here. The last thing I want to talk to you guys about with PDF spaces is that it really helps take the stress out of interview prep by organizing the team's research and providing trustworthy citations and sources. Always double check what you're reading on the Internet. It's actually way more helpful to use this than it is to just start with a blank page. Like when we had met Damon on, we could easily source articles on his personal life, on his professional career, and even get hints and like read all the rumors about what he's got coming up. Additionally, you can chat with the AI assistant to get audience insights and even suggestions on like what you should ask somebody you're going to have on your podcast. It basically tells you what the Internet wants you to ask somebody and then you just do your best to ask the right question questions. Basically, PDF spaces makes being an intern a Whole lot easier. Back to you, fellas.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right. PDF spaces is the smartest way to prep for and enjoy authentic conversations.

[Jason Kelsey]

Learn [e-mail] do that with Acrobat here to represent the Seattle Seahawks. Our guest is a 6 foot 2 wide receiver from Eastern Washington University. He is a Pro bowler, All Pro NFL Triple Crown winner and 2021 NFL Offensive Player of the year. He is a Super bowl champion and Super Bowl 56 MVP. 92 percenters, please welcome Cooper Cup.

[Cooper Kupp]

That's awesome. Most proud I am is that you rounded up from 6:1 to 6:2. That was the best part of the whole thing right there.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm the same way. I'm six three.

[Cooper Kupp]

That's all the things. Yeah, let's go. I'll take it.

[Jason Kelsey]

A combine will get you, man. They go down to the eighth of an inch. It's not fair.

[Travis Kelsey]

I was six' five my whole life, and at the combine, I'm six' four and seven eight. So I'm like, you could have give me one more agent.

[Cooper Kupp]

You learn a lot at the combine, man. You learn a lot even about yourself. Even about yourself. Like, oh, I had no idea I was that short. That's crazy.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm that slow. I thought I ran a 4 7. I didn't know I was running a.

[Cooper Kupp]

Hey, you're telling me. You're telling me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Wanted to jump it off, man. Congrats on the year so far, man. NFC champs. You know how to do this thing, though, man. Obviously. You have literally the best run in playoff history at the wide receiver position, man, in terms of the stats and. And touchdowns and. And going out there and actually getting the dub in. In the big game, man. How does it feel to get back to the Super Bowl?

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, it's pretty sweet.

[Jason Kelsey]

I.

[Cooper Kupp]

You just don't take these things for Grant. I mean, we've all been lucky enough to be on parts of teams that get to the show and, you know, make it happen, get the chance to. To plan the big one. And I've also been a part of. We've all been part of really good teams where, like, man, the belief is that you're there. You're like, you're. You're going through training camp. You're like, we're going to the Super Bowl. Like, we know the work. Like, we have everything it takes to get there and. And you don't, and you fall short. And so to be in this place, to be able to, you know, week in, week out, find a way to get wins and get here It's a special thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

How has it been with the new team? Obviously, you know, this is not. A lot of people from the outside saw it coming. I'm sure you guys seeing it from your perspective, had high expectations. What's it, what's the team camaraderie been like all year? You know, how has it been being in Seattle?

[Cooper Kupp]

It's been good. I mean, obviously it was a new experience coming over here with the new team and all that, but I mean, there was a. There was a belief early on, like you said. I mean, it was exactly what Mike McDonald said up there on that stage. We did not care. You know, it was like this whole thing, like all the narratives, all this other stuff's like, no, we're just going about our business. We're going to handle our stuff. And it was, it was that. It was that from day one, from OTAs on, it's like, man, we're just going to do what we do and get better and better and better. And it wasn't like, this isn't one of those teams. I would have said day one like, oh, yeah, we got all the pieces together to go make this thing happen. It was truly like a. A build, a slow build of like, hey, this is coming together and gelling and the guys are coming together. The belief in one another, the camaraderie of the. Just the people, the energy of the locker room is. Is special.

[Travis Kelsey]

You could feel the energy in the fucking preseason, Coop. I remember playing you guys in the preseason, dude. And I was like, I was sitting there on this, on the sideline that second half, watching, watching my guys try and battle your guys is like kind of like second and third string guys. And I'm sitting there, I'm just like, this team has the juice. Like these guys love playing the game of football and they do, and they do it together. And it wasn't just the starters, it wasn't just the guys after that. It was all the way through the end of the game, man. And when you see guys loving to play the game together like that, man, having. Having that energy, having that excitement is the start of it. And then from there you just. You obviously have great coaches, great leaders. You gotta tell. You gotta talk to us about. About a guy named Sam Darnold. How fun has it been fucking seeing that guy grow into the.

[Jason Kelsey]

The.

[Travis Kelsey]

To the super bowl quarterback that he is today.

[Jason Kelsey]

Ginger. Cuz Ginger.

[Cooper Kupp]

He'S been the man. He. I mean, honestly, quarterbacks in general, they are on the highest pedestal. Like, you do not have a Whole lot of time to prove yourself before you get counted out. And for Sam Donald to do what he did going through this time with the jets, with Carolina, all the scarring that happens, that's like, man, everything that's put on you, that's saying you aren't this anymore. Like, you're not that guy. For him to push through all those things, to go to San Francisco, to learn his stuff there, to be able to, like, take in all the Shanahan, like, man, this is. I. I can do this system. I believe in this. What. How this is done, how this quarterback, how quarterbacks are asked to play this game, to go and do it for KOC in Minnesota and then to come over here and just ball out like this, I mean, it's just incredible. It's not talked about enough how special and how difficult that is for quarterbacks to do. It's. It is not an easy thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

And he's.

[Cooper Kupp]

He's kind of, you know, he's gone against, you know, common belief about quarterbacks and how it works, you know, so it's a. It's special.

[Jason Kelsey]

I could not agree more, man. And, like, listen, I keep getting asked, like, who you're rooting for in the game. And, like, I don't really have a horse in the race. Like, I like storylines on both sides, but it's hard to not want this to happen for Sam, it really is, because I think anybody that's been in the league and struggled through it yourself and had to persevere through ups and downs, like, it is very difficult, especially once that narrative throughout the league has already been set, it's hard to get that next opportunity exactly. For him to be able to do this multiple times, have to reaffirm himself and to have the year he's had on a special team right now, like, it's. It's hard not to root for the Ginger Cuz, man. What's. What's the better nickname? Ginger Cuz or Buddy?

[Cooper Kupp]

Oh, come on now.

[Jason Kelsey]

Maybe.

[Cooper Kupp]

Maybe he feels a different way about it, but. Don't call me Buddy. Don't call me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't call you Buddy.

[Cooper Kupp]

I got a little ginger in the beer. If they were calling me Ginger Cuz, I'm like, I'll take Ginger Cuz. Don't call me Buddy. Call me Ginger Cuz. I'm checking out.

[Julian Edelman]

Okay?

[Cooper Kupp]

I'm at. I'm at a gas station getting something. You call me Ginger Cuz. That's fine. I'm good. Don't call me Buddy.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't call me Buddy.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'M pretty sure we had had our guy Matt Stafford on here talking about how you're attending early QB meetings. You still, you still in the QB room?

[Cooper Kupp]

I'm still in the QB room. They can't get me out of there, man. It's my room now. Took over.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love it, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let me ask you this, and I think I already know the answer, but just for like people watching, why do you attend the QB meetings? What does a receiver get out of going to the QB meetings?

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, well, I mean, for me it's a QB perspective. I want to hear. I one, I want to be in the, I want to be watching the film with the quarterback when he's taking his notes, when he's kind of diagnosing. Okay, these are the things that I'm seeing. These are things that even like give me concern, you know, that maybe the coach, it's not from the coach's perspective, from the quarterback's perspective, this is concerning to me. And maybe he's like, has a thought about how it wants, how he would want to attack or how he, what his answers he want, what answer he wants that to be. You know, I get to be in there and I get to be at the, at the genesis of it all. But then the other part of it is to be in the meetings themselves because now like in the receiver room, they're not going to touch on the, the progression of a quarterback. You know what I mean? Like, they're not saying, hey, this is one high, two high this way. It's like, no, we're running a bench route, you know what I mean? And so I want to know on the backside if I'm running a china route on the backside. Well, how much time do I have? Am I first in the progression? Am I fourth in the progression? Because that really changes how I'm going to run my route and when I can be ready, when the quarterback expects me to be ready for the ball. You know what I mean?

[Jason Kelsey]

I love this.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you ever play a little quarterback?

[Cooper Kupp]

So my dad was a quarterback. So my, yeah, so my dad was a quarterback in the NFL for a couple of years. He backed up. He was third string Detroit Aikman and then Jason Garrett actually beat out my dad for the third spot with the Cowboys. So my dad, I learned receiver from my dad, a quarterback. It was like when I run a route, I wasn't getting told what to do as a receiver. I was getting told, no, you can't do that because the quarterback's not going to like that, you know, What I mean, so, so he was, he was on me early. He was on me early about like, sticking my foot in the ground. Like. No, you have to, like, you have to indicate your indicator is not good enough. That's it. That's it.

[Jason Kelsey]

So indicator. What's.

[Travis Kelsey]

We're talking in code to this fat boy?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I don't know about an indicator. What's this?

[Cooper Kupp]

I gotta use my body to communicate to the quarterback, right? I want to, like, he's going to see me 20 yards away, and when I make a move or do something, I'm going to do something that's indicating I'm breaking down and I'm going to be in the spot that you're expecting me to go, right? Because he's going to be letting the ball go when my back's to him. So he needs to know, like, man, hey, it's happening now, you know, I need to be able. Putting the foot, my foot in the ground when I'm breaking in or out, how I'm rolling. So I can't just like. You can't just ooze into like a, A deep out route. You gotta like, put your foot in the ground. Like, I'm going now. You know what I mean? So he knows that it's moment Coop, I think.

[Travis Kelsey]

And that's so good. That was a great way of describing it. I think what you do that's different from others is that you're giving those indicators to the quarterback, but you never give those indicators to the defense. And that's so hard because the defense is watching those indicators. And I do a whole lot of. To make up for my speed. Like I'm. I'm doing skips and, and things with my shoulders and things. You know, I'm doing all this just to get this much separation where you actually have the speed and you have the shoulder lean and you give none of those indicators as well as, like when you want to really get open on a double move and things like that. But you're giving the defense no indicators that you're going to be going one way or the other. And that that keeps the timing of these routes so true. And it's why you always been mirrored up with your quarterback so well, man.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, try to do it. Try to. As a. You know, I, I'm like, I ran a 4 6, right? So like, I gotta do the hop and skip and the. I gotta do the little jack. Now you gotta do a little bit of this too. You know what I mean?

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, you got it.

[Paul Salvo]

All.

[Travis Kelsey]

You got it all in. In the bag. But I'm. I'm a lot of those deeper routes. You don't have all the. You don't have all that ability to really get into that kind of stuff. So that's what I was.

[Cooper Kupp]

You don't have the time. Exactly, Exactly. I get it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, I was just gonna ask, like, listen, you were in the Rams for a very long time with one head coach. What's it been like having a new head Coach and Mike McDonald, right? Like, is it been different being offense versus defense?

[Cooper Kupp]

Like, how has that been for you offensively? If you don't have a great day, it's okay because the coach is gonna be so pumped at how good at practice went. You know how it goes. It's like. It's like, oh, hey, defense had a great day today. It doesn't matter what the offense did. Hey, bring up boys. That's a great thing. Where before, it didn't matter. Like, it didn't matter how. What the energy was in practice if the offense wasn't on was a terrible day, getting absolutely crushed. So that's nice being on the other end of that. That side of things. But honestly, those two guys, like Sean and Mike, both on two separate ends with the terms of the offense and the defense, but they are. They are doing it at the highest level of those two sides. And so it's cool. It's cool to see it. And I like to sit in there with Mike and I. I used to sit in Rashawn and be able to talk through stuff and be able to talk, like, you know, the 500, 600 level football stuff. And now I'd sit in there and I used to, like, I could, like, you know, talk. I'm like, yeah, I can. I can live at this place and, like, communicate. And you start talking to Mike, you're like, oh, I don't know what I'm talking about. Like, this is this defense. Like, defense is a whole nother world that, you know, maybe you don't. You think that you understand what you're doing offensively, you're attacking stuff, but there's a whole nother world out there that you don't understand. And the depth of it, you know, And I'm reminded that over and over again, as I play this game, the depth of detail that there is in the NFL is. It's. It's an ocean.

[Travis Kelsey]

It just keeps going, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. And it's different the way it is in different systems. Like, cover three is just like such a generic term. For a way that everybody thinks about what that is. Right. And how it's taught versus, like, different formations and clusters and what teams do specifically in their progressions and how it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Changes week to week.

[Jason Kelsey]

No doubt.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

You obviously played with Matthew Stafford for a long time now with Sam Darnold. What are the difference between those two guys in particular?

[Cooper Kupp]

You know, one's got red hair, one's got gray hair. It is great, though, being like Matthew Singh when he comes in, it's like, oh, I've seen that. Like, any look. Oh, I saw that. You know, 2012, week four. Like, they brought that same pressure. It's like, okay, this is. You're ridiculous, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Cooper Kupp]

You can't. You can't. You can't compete with the experience that he has because it's not just the experience, not just time. It's like, it's memory. It's like he has all that stored in this database. He's like an. He's like an AI center and it's like built into his brain and he just, like, he's just like pulling these things. Like, dude, knowing I can't keep up with you. You're just rolling. And, you know, for Sam, Sam is so processed. You're. It's like, man, he's. He's seen a lot. He's been in a lot of different situations and he carries that stuff with him well. But a lot of it is his process and is preparing through the week. It's like, man is just. He's so on, hey, I'm in here until 7 o'. Clock. At 7 o', clock, you know, I'm moving on to my next thing and I'm on it. He's just, boom, like a robot on. On his stuff. So, you know, when he gets there, when he gets to the game on Sunday, it's like, man, he's just gone through this. He's so prepared for that moment to step out there and play or he's almost over. It's like, you don't have to poop, relax every morning. You know what I mean? Like, you can do.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just wants to be ready for it, man.

[Cooper Kupp]

He wants to be ready.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love it, man. Well, I'm sure it was. It was pretty weird lining up against your former teammate or. Yeah, former teammates and former team. But you are in, quote, saying it was cool that we had to go through the rams, the script writers and did a good job with that one. I'm glad you're. You're a believer in the script writers. As well. They were. They were definitely writing the script for me and Jason to go to the super bowl when we started this New Heights podcast.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah. You remember the meetings? Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Exactly.

[Cooper Kupp]

That was crazy, wasn't it? I mean, and like I said, I've touched on this before, but there's. There's so many guys in the, like, playing that game. You don't want. No one wants to make it about themselves. And what, like, oh, it's my story, you know? But like, in my world, that was a crazy story for it to play out. That was wild.

[Travis Kelsey]

Were you in those defensive meetings letting them know about all of McVeigh's tricks up their sleeve? And I've always wondered, when a guy goes to the other team.

[Cooper Kupp]

No, it is. It's hard. I mean, you can't. Like. Yeah, I know a lot of the stuff that they do. I don't know if it's changed, you know, but I can, like, sit there and be like, okay, yeah, this looks like. I know that signal. I know, like, what this may. Some of these, like, you know, hurry up offense, what they're doing. But how do you, as a coach, how do you tell the defense, like, oh, hey, don't listen to what my call is. I need you to listen to what they're doing. And then, you know, I mean, they know you're.

[Travis Kelsey]

And McVeigh knew you were over there, and, like, that could be a possibility. So they're changing signals, and all of a sudden, you know, you can get caught in a tough position. I just had to ask.

[Cooper Kupp]

Exactly. Yeah. No, it just doesn't. It just. I just don't know that it really works. You know, it's a little. I think there's little. There's little things, little pieces, like, hey, this little indicator maybe of something that's, like. It's a broad thing. Like, hey, this might indicate, you know, these kinds of plays are coming versus being like, yeah, oh, this is the exact play that's. That's coming.

[Travis Kelsey]

To put that in the back of somebody's mind with everything else that you got to deal with in the. On the football field, I feel like it's almost like a crutch to be able to, like, have somebody thinking that much about all of it. So I'm. I'm right there with you.

[Jason Kelsey]

How is the Coupe Chant been with the 12th man instead of the Rams fans this year? Is it. Does it feel weird or is it. What do you. How do you feel about it?

[Cooper Kupp]

It's been pretty solid. I'll tell you what, Lumen's crazy. Like, playing in Lumen, it gets rowdy, and I've been on the other side of it. It's really similar, though, because it used to be like, I used to run onto the field, you know, for part early on, and you get the booze. Now I run on. I just hear the coop doesn't feel that different.

[Jason Kelsey]

I kind of been here.

[Cooper Kupp]

I've kind of been here before.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's great.

[Travis Kelsey]

You got another unbelievable wide receiver in the wide receiver room with you in Seattle right now. JSN is absolutely taking this league by storm. I think he's right now in terms of every single route he's running, pound for pound. One of the best fucking wide receivers I've ever seen play this damn game, man. He's. He's so fun to watch, and he. He has that ability to just do it with ease, similar to how. So similar to how you are. He doesn't give a lot of indicators on the deeper. On the deeper routes, and he's always on time, and then his big play ability is through the roof.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you coach him up at all? Did you give him experience? Like, how was it when you got the wide receiver room over there?

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, I was good. You know, I basically have built Jackson myself. No, he. Yeah, he was so. I mean, he was so good when I got here. Like, watching him go through OTAs, like, dude, this dude's special, you know, And. And I don't think, like, you never know going into a season, you know, statistically what the production is going to be like, what are we going to be like as an offense? You know, that dictates a lot of it as well. But he's just over and over again made the plays. Like, when the opportunities come, we don't throw the ball. Like, we're not super high up on the list in terms of how often we're throwing the ball, but when we do and when the opportunity comes his way, he's making the play. You know what I mean? And I think to do that, you got to be consistently getting open, like, consistently open. You see. Don't know when that time's going to be, when the ball is coming your way. And so he's just been special in that way. And like you said, no indicators. Like, he's so smooth. He plays at one level the entire time. You know, he can.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, he can run a.

[Cooper Kupp]

He can run a, you know, a. A 15 yard, outbreaking speed cut route and never changed. It's like the same level the entire time. He just kind of Porsche turns the sideline and. And comes. Plays negative coming out of his. Out of his brakes and it's pretty. Yeah, it's really special seeing him, seeing him do his thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, it's so smooth. Like the effortlessness of it. And like, yeah, it's, it's fun to watch him just run.

[Cooper Kupp]

He's similar to. I mean you played with, with DeVontae Smith.

[Jason Kelsey]

Devonte. I was about to say they're very similar in the way they move.

[Cooper Kupp]

Super smooth runner, but you know, Jax is built a little more like a binding, near like a running back. When you see him a little bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Stock, you got some girth to him.

[Cooper Kupp]

Got a little more. Yeah, you got a little more girthiness to him.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's. He seems like a great dude, man. And I love the combo you guys had. But I got. I gotta ask you about my guy AJ Barner in the tight end room, man. Oh, Northeast Ohio ball, baby. Northeast Ohio ball player. I got a chance to say what's up to him at. At tight end. You, man. And outside of like the on field stuff and him really like being a big part of this offense in the, in the run game and pass game, man, his energy, his swagger as a, as. As a young cat in the league, man, I love it, man, and I'm so happy for that dude. But you got to tell me, you got any good AJ stories?

[Cooper Kupp]

I got some great AJ stories. I don't know that I just got. The problem is choosing one that he wouldn't be upset about me sharing.

[Travis Kelsey]

There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

There you go.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, your first impression, when your first impression coming in, I'm sure you knew him to an extent because he was playing in Seattle.

[Cooper Kupp]

But my first impression of him, I was like, wow, this is like a young Tyler Higby, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

Higgs is another guy, dude. Love Higgs, man.

[Cooper Kupp]

Higgs is one of my all time favorite human beings teammates. Higg's the man. He's a fre.

[Brandon]

He's the man.

[Cooper Kupp]

I sit next to him in the huddle for eight years, like one of my favorite dudes and I'm like, this is. This dude runs routes, he blocks, he does all the stuff right? Is all the stuff as you get to know more like he's got a very unique energy about him and how, I mean he's like. He's the dude that's like. He's a dude that's like barking in the team meetings, you know, he's got like, he's got something to say every time, some say and you know, 90% of the time, it's awesome. 10% of the time. Of the time, you just kind of let it kind of just, you know, go over your head. You don't feel. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, Barnes yard. That's a banger right there, man. I can't wait to see him in the super bowl, man. I know he's going to be turned.

[Jason Kelsey]

We had Julian Edelman on already. All right. He had one question for you. All right.

[Cooper Kupp]

Okay.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's having some problems with this French press. He doesn't know the right ratio.

[Cooper Kupp]

This guy's.

[Jason Kelsey]

What do we got for him? What do we got for.

[Cooper Kupp]

He's hopeless. He's. I tried.

[Jason Kelsey]

I tried.

[Cooper Kupp]

I've already tried with him. I can't. I've already tried. I walked him through it the first time. He showed me he was making coffee. He's dang near. I mean, he's dang near drinking his coffee with just grounds all. I mean, he's just like. He's chewing his coffee, basically.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's got that Turkish coffee that's got the grounds in it, right?

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, yeah, he's exactly. He's drinking his coffee with a spoon. Listen, he's got. You have to measure things. You can't just, like, throw it together, right? It's ratios. You gotta have a couple feel. You have a little bit of detail. And for Julian Edelman. For Julian Edelman, the most. One of the most detailed receivers to just, like, throw things together. Oh, it broke my heart.

[Travis Kelsey]

You wanted to see the attention to detail. He. He turned that shit off, man.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, yeah. Slow yourself down, Julian. Slow yourself down. Make yourself a nice cup of joe. Make it a nice little process. We'll be good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, time out. Hold on. I want to get the inside scoop, though, for myself, though. What is the ratio? What. What do you. What is. What is Coop doing with this coffee?

[Cooper Kupp]

Most French presses, the plunger won't go all the way to the bottom, right? So the plunger will leave. Well, like. Have you made French press before?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes, I have. Okay.

[Cooper Kupp]

So the French press won't plunge all the way to the bottom. So if you want to start. See where that spot is and just fill the grounds up to right where that is. Right where that. Most of them. Most of them will be pretty. That'll be pretty accurate. So you want to start there, and then you go there and you fill up the hole. Fill up your whole thing, and you can press it, you know, wait six. Wait six minutes or so. Make sure your grind's good. You want a nice Coarse grind with French press. Don't want to be a super. You don't want to be, you know, I mean, if you get too fine, you're going to have the, the, if you're over extract, you're going to have the, you have the grounds all coming up through that plunger. You don't want to do that. You don't want to make sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's talk some more about this. What is, is French press the best method of brewing?

[Cooper Kupp]

Well, what beams do you have? Right. Because there's actual. People don't know this. There's certain coffee beans that are made for espresso. There's certain ones for drip. There's certain beans with their oil contents and things that like.

[Travis Kelsey]

Where are you getting your French press beans from?

[Cooper Kupp]

My French press beans? I'm, I, I, I honestly don't. I'm getting from Dodo is where I'm getting them from.

[Travis Kelsey]

There we go.

[Jason Kelsey]

You know it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I know if we were down in Guatemala, you know.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, the Guatemala, Guatemala is a good one. I got, we got some good ones from Guatemala. It would do a good French press.

[Jason Kelsey]

I've done French press. I've tried getting a mocha master. I've got an aeropress grinders. I've tried the beans. I don't, I've not mastered the beans. I'm not jacking the beanstalk yet.

[Cooper Kupp]

Are you going to be in Santa Clara this week?

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. We're up there, baby.

[Cooper Kupp]

Come by.

[Jason Kelsey]

Perfect. Can I show you the grinder I got? This will show you how this is. This will show you how novice I am. I'm going to show you the grinder I bought.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're about to get this dude. You're going to see the attention to detail of a, of a Pro bowl center. Yeah, this dude is. This dude is there. He, he was the one that broke out the directions as a kid for the Legos instead of just putting them together.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, I hope that he needs.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's so. He's been waiting to ask you this forever.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, this is great. I hope he just brings a hammer and it's like I used to use this.

[Jason Kelsey]

I just, I just hit the beans.

[Cooper Kupp]

Until they look good and I just dump them.

[Sam Salvo]

Coffee grinder. I wanted to be on record. I hate this goddamn industrial Kylie from the stairs.

[Cooper Kupp]

I need.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's how you know it's about to be a hammer.

[Cooper Kupp]

I'm ready to save the day. I need. Listen, you guys, you guys send me, send me his address. I'm gonna send him a whole setup. It'll be.

[Travis Kelsey]

So, dude, we're gonna send you two addresses because I need this, too.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah, you let me know. Send me the address. I'm gonna send you. It's. It. It's gonna do everything for you. It's. You're gonna have. You're gonna be able to measure out what you need. It's gonna grind them how you're supposed to have them. Is he gonna do it all? Gonna do it. All right? Because this is. People come over to our house all the time, and they're like, oh, this is so good. This is great. Like, so much better than I make at my house. It's like. Yeah, because you're making it like a. Like a caveman.

[Jason Kelsey]

What?

[Travis Kelsey]

You take this out of the wall? What the.

[Cooper Kupp]

Looks like something.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is that Dell computer?

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, accidentally, I bought an industrial coffee grinder on accident. I thought I was getting a home.

[Cooper Kupp]

Goodness gracious if it's. Is this a gun safe? That thing's crazy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dude, that's hilarious. That's the biggest coffee grinder I've ever seen in my life.

[Jason Kelsey]

When that thing showed up, Kylie was like, what in the Are you doing?

[Cooper Kupp]

The entire house just steaks in the morning.

[Travis Kelsey]

Coffee for the entire block.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right.

[Cooper Kupp]

I was telling Trav. Let me. You got. You got. Tell me where to send it. I'm gonna send you a whole setup. It's a whole coffee setup. It's gonna look nice. Your wife's gonna love it. It's gonna sit on the counter. You're like, oh, this is. Like. This is good. This looks good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Perfect.

[Cooper Kupp]

It's gonna make your coffee. I got. I got you set up.

[Jason Kelsey]

Have you always been a coffee guy? When did you start getting on the coffee? Coffee's really. It's a performance enhancer in the league. Like, you don't drink coffee. You're. You're. You're doing yourself a disservice.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah. You're not. You're not trying if you're not drinking some coffee. You come in here, you walking around with a cup of coffee. I'm like, I'm questioning your commitment to what we're doing.

[Jason Kelsey]

Exactly.

[Travis Kelsey]

When did you start it up, though?

[Cooper Kupp]

Secretly, My mom would buy me coffee, like, early middle. Middle school. My dad hated it. Oh, my dad.

[Travis Kelsey]

My dad, he's been in the game for many.

[Cooper Kupp]

I've been in the game. I've been in the game for a while.

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you a sweetener, or you like the taste of the beans? You don't want to. You don't want to mess with the beans.

[Julian Edelman]

Blackity.

[Cooper Kupp]

Black.

[Jason Kelsey]

Black.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. You got to get the taste. You gotta get the taste and go.

[Cooper Kupp]

Where are you guys? Are you.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, I'm black all the way. I was about to say I'm black, and for some reason, I don't. I don't really like espresso as much as I like actual coffee. Coffee. I will do espresso. Like, I'm. I don't discriminate, especially after, like, a nice dinner.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

All in on the espresso. Espresso martini. Hey, now. Yeah, but there's something about, like, a. A. A coffee that I just really enjoy.

[Cooper Kupp]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

The taste.

[Cooper Kupp]

Just a drip coffee. It's a nice drip coffee.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, dude.

[Brandon]

Yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm right there with you. I'm. I'm straight up. I like the coffee straight. And then I, like. I'll go back. We. We have, like, five. We have, like, six flavors from a Kansas City roasting company that I'll go and get. I'll switch it up by the week. I'll go and get, like, a dark, like, roast, and then I'll go back and get, like, a nice hazelnut, and it'll be like, the taste of the beans will make it feel like I have, like, a sweetener in there or something. But it, like, kind of changes the notes.

[Cooper Kupp]

The beans themselves have flavor.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. You know it. You know it, man. The different. The way they roast. Oh, it's the best, man.

[Cooper Kupp]

Very interesting.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got one last question for you.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you have a welcome to the super bowl moment?

[Cooper Kupp]

You saying, like, well, I can't believe that I'm playing in the super bowl or like, a. The one where you get hit really hard and you're like, oh, this is a Super Bowl.

[Travis Kelsey]

Either one you want to go with. Yeah.

[Cooper Kupp]

Ah, man, I don't know. I mean, because my first Super Bowl, I was on the sidelines. You know, I was. I had a torn ACL in 2018 against when Julian Edelman wants to rule MVP. And. And so I think maybe my this is. This would be my welcome to server moment. Standing on the sidelines and feeling the chaos on our sidelines when Bill Belichick decided, we're going 6:1, the entire game completely changed the. You know, completely change your game plan. Show something you've never done before and just choke in the super bowl saying, this is what we're going to do, and we're going to do it every single snap. That was like, oh, this is. This is a Super Bowl. Like, this is. This is. The guys that can make the guy that can sit there and make that decision. You know what I mean?

[Travis Kelsey]

It's insane to even think about.

[Jason Kelsey]

Belichick has been in the news a lot recently with everything. And regardless of any of that stuff, that was one of the most masterful, well done coaching jobs, to be honest with you. Like, and it wasn't just 6:1. He would also. He was like, waiting for the headset to turn off so that Sean could check the play in, right? And then when it got checked, he would move it to something else. That game was wild to watch.

[Cooper Kupp]

It was crazy. He was doing you. You've seen like the mic'd up where he was like, hey, where is he? Where is he? He's watching Sean. It's like, hey, we're going to show one thing. Mike clicks off at 15 seconds on the play clock, and it's like, boom. Okay, now we're getting into what we're doing because we were so much at the line of scrimmage that year. Sean really calling things all the way up until the ball snap, essentially. You know, that was. That was insane. But I mean, for Bill to come out and do that for his plan being. I'm just going to watch Sean and we're going to wait until he calls it and I'm going to change it and we're just going to do this thing like, we're putting six guys up on the ball. We're going to knock out the mid zone run game. Third down, third down. They still did the Bill Belichick. You know, they. They had their Stefan Gilmore on Brand Cooks. They doubled Robert Woods. Like, they still did the same thing that they. They always do. But that was. That was a baller move by. By old, old William Belichick.

[Jason Kelsey]

William.

[Travis Kelsey]

Slick Willie.

[Jason Kelsey]

I lied. I got one more question. What do you think? What does Seattle need to do to win this game, brother? What are the keys to victory for you guys? You think?

[Cooper Kupp]

We've said this over and over again, and it's. It's. It's cliche. It's cliche. You know what I'm gonna say?

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't turn the ball over.

[Cooper Kupp]

But I do think it comes down to us. It's like a BS Be. Be the people that we've been all the way through the same. It's been our process, and it's been like. It's kind of a joke now, I guess. But, you know, Mike gets up there and you for a team meeting, and you want. He wants to have some words for us, and you want to be like, man, bring some, like, juice or something. It's like, no, no. We're gonna go out there and be us. Like, that's our thing. That is what we do. We go out there and we run through people's faces. We're gonna run the ball. We're gonna pass the ball. Our defense is gonna run and hit. I just. This is. This is what we do, and it's why we are in this position right now. And so we're not gonna change that. We're gonna. We're gonna go out there and do the things that we've done to get us to this place. That's all you can do. That's all you can do anyways. So we can talk about all we.

[Jason Kelsey]

Want, but they are who we thought they were.

[Travis Kelsey]

Cool, man. You're the man. I can't wait to catch you out there and talk some French press dog, but yeah. Wishing you the best, man. And go out there and get you another one, brother.

[Cooper Kupp]

Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you. To our partner, Xfinity.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Lot of things are going to change in five years. Who knows what's going on next, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

And we have an exclusive sneak peek for this campaign for the 92 percenters. Let's take a look. This can be heavy. Whoa.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just happened to me.

[Jason Kelsey]

I see what they're doing here.

[Travis Kelsey]

Pepsi and pizza. Oh, this is. This is epic.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my God. Wow. This is good. This is very good.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is classic right here. Who doesn't love a good Pepsi? And pizza, too, man. That was a subtle. But it made me want one right then and there with a slice of pizza.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, if you want to See this commercial along with a ton of other great commercials as the super bowl always does. Have tune into the big game this weekend to see the full commercial. Go out and try Pepsi. Zero sugar today.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can't wait. You deserve taste. You deserve Pepsi. Thank you to our sponsor, Allstate.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

You're right. Not checking if your phone is on silent before starting the podcast recording. Rookie move. Not smart.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, sorry to everyone who heard my ringtone the other day. Sorry about that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate.

[Jason Kelsey]

Potential savings vary subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates in Northbrook, Illinois. Alrighty. Thank you to Cooper cup. Once again. That was bold. Topics brought to you. Man, he was awesome, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's the best.

[Jason Kelsey]

I can't wait to learn about coffee.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm kind. I feel a little bit more confident than you may, but at the same time, a French press is a different world.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Let's wrap up this episode some stamps of the week. How about that, Trav? Hey, now. Stamp of the Week is brought to you by Adobe Acrobat.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, man. Who doesn't like a nice organized app for everything you need documented? All right, who we got here? Stamp of the week. Stamp of the week. Stamp of the week. What is this punch? Somebody punched their hair off.

[Jason Kelsey]

You didn't check out this clip. Watch this one. This guy was wearing the toupee uppercut so vicious it knocks his hair off.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. What do you ask for? How did the. Did he ask for that? You just go into the barbershop and ask him if they got any toupees.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know where you get the toupee from or how it's adhered down or if the barbershop. I don't know a lot of those details.

[Travis Kelsey]

This second picture is crazy. I think he won the fight, though.

[Jason Kelsey]

Did he win?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I think they. They later threw it into the crowd, and I think he won the fight.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, he was a good sport about it. He definitely was not too nervous or shy about it. He was living it up after that kind of dancing around. Could you imagine catching that dude?

[Travis Kelsey]

No, I can't imagine getting the toupee either, but that shit's fucking hilarious.

[Jason Kelsey]

Make a nice coaster, Koozie. Yeah. Got some great nominees here. We have Philadelphia Phantoms. Kai and I went to the unrivaled game in Philadelphia. And quick shout out to these guys. They broke a record for the most regular season pro women's basketball game attendance of all time. It was 21,495. It was packed. Packed to the rafters. This unrivaled thing is awesome. They do a great job. The production quality was fantastic. A lot of people were geared up for women's basketball. It was a really cool event. What else do we got? Rochester Nighthawks goalie Rylan Hartley for stamping Vancouver warriors defensive Steph Charbonnet. Charbonnel Charbonneau. Take a look at this. Oh, indoor indoor lacrosse, dude. It's funny how big the goalies are in indoor lacrosse. Like, he's got all this pant.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, no.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh. Oh.

[Travis Kelsey]

That is a defenseless receiver right there. That's what I like.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Afterwards, you. I want.

[Travis Kelsey]

Come here.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know what that guy's mad about.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's a few brawls going on right now.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't get why they're mad at the goalies. That was a great clean hit. That's all I saw.

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you allowed to do that in lacrosse?

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, you're allowed to do it on lacrosse? Yeah, you can do some lacrosse. He doesn't even hit him in the head, dude. He didn't even hit him in that. He hits him right in the chest. Right in the chest. Right in the chest. That is clean. I don't care what anybody says.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right over the chin. I love it. I'm here for it, dude. I'm here for it. You can't throw. You can't throw over the middle late, dude. That's hilarious, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Electric.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm about to go to some indoor lacrosse if that's what they got going in indoor lacrosse. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Also got Iowa lineman Jennings Dunker for bringing the mullet back to the Senior Bowl. Do you see this freaking beauty? Check out this beauty.

[Travis Kelsey]

Pull this to get a stud. I don't know if he's any good at playing football, man, but this dude, I mean, just look at it.

[Jason Kelsey]

The hair, the mustache, the knee braces.

[Travis Kelsey]

He does look like a Clydesdale. That's hilarious.

[Cooper Kupp]

Unbelievable.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's unbelievable. Majestic, man, right there.

[Jason Kelsey]

If you were going to design an offensive lineman in a laboratory, this is what he would look like. I mean, look at this guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is hilarious. How many beers a day do you think this guy drinks?

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't. He's. It's probably by the case. He doesn't even count. This used to give me an idea, though. They. I don't think they should. You know how they do best in show for, like, dogs, where they, like, trot them out? They do it for, like, horses, too. Oh. Are you all right, Trip?

[Brandon]

We're good.

[Jason Kelsey]

You good?

[Travis Kelsey]

Taylor's gonna kill me. The best in show got me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Best in show for the dogs. Like, they.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think show for the offensive line. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Up. The quarterbacks walking them around on a leash, and they put them up on the table. You got a guy measuring their ass.

[Travis Kelsey]

We can't be. We can't be putting guys on leashes. But I. I hear you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Fair enough. No leashes. But you get them up on the stage, you got a guy measuring their. Like. Like getting their stance, and they, like, see if their ass is in the right sp. I don't know, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

All I need is the prance. Just prance around. I want to see. I want to see how this guy pranced.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's a prancer. He is. It's like a. It's like the. The. What's the. At the county fair, they got, like, the. What is that called when you got, like, the best pig, the biggest pig at the show, like, prize pig right there. Won the whole county fair. What are those called? You know what I mean?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

I got some help here.

[Travis Kelsey]

Somebody help. Jason.

[Brandon]

Go like a. Like a stock show is what you want to do.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, but, like, the prize pig, it's just.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know if this bit's gonna end well for us.

[Brandon]

Did you guys know that he was also a Iowa meat day hay bale champion toss winner?

[Jason Kelsey]

This is all. I mean, between the day.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did we know? No, but it does.

[Brandon]

Look at him.

[Jason Kelsey]

Look at that guy. This should be at the combine, dude, I'm telling you. We just need to create our own version of this offensive lineman.

[Travis Kelsey]

The New Heights offensive line combine.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes. No, it's not a combat. You're misjudging this. This is not a combine.

[Travis Kelsey]

Okay, what is it, Jason?

[Brandon]

Explain. What is it?

[Jason Kelsey]

It's just an offensive line beauty pageant contest. But it's not. It's called something different. I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's this guy, the. Cut the arms and legs off his shirts and shorts and just said it. I'm gonna go throw the. Out of this hay.

[Jason Kelsey]

I've never seen offensive linemen, like, exude out of somebody's skin as much as I've seen even the fucking name Jennings Dunker. Are you kidding me?

[Brandon]

We're moving that kid's Draft stock way up just on this episode alone.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, it's just like. It's like a character in a movie. Like, this isn't a. But it's real life. He's got the shoulder strap to hold his AC joint in place. I mean, what the. Are we looking. I really like this idea of an offensive lineman. Like, just like essentially a beauty contest of offensive line.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I don't need to know how fast this guy runs. I want to see how smooth he runs. Just do a lap. Just do a lap.

[Jason Kelsey]

I want to see how smooth he walks in prances. That's what I want to see. What's the elegance of this guy? Shout out to Dunker. Bald guys. How about this nominee? Since Robert Salas joined the Titans, he has made five additional coaching hires. The one caveat is that you must be bald. Look at this thing.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's got nothing but bone, guys. I mean, I've seen. I've seen all the hair go in Kansas City's office. I mean, yeah, dude. Guys are. Yeah, guys are dropping like flies. I think it's stressful. It's just long hours, man. Long hours means you're not getting much sleep, which means, you know, and also, this could be by choice, guys could just be like, you know what? I don't want to deal with this goddamn hair.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll tell you what, I'd hate to be in the stands on a sunny day between all the helmets and bald heads. That light going to be reflecting. You're going to be blinding. Jesus Christ. Damn.

[Travis Kelsey]

We putting Vaseline baby oil on this?

[Jason Kelsey]

Jesus. All right, I'm giving the. The nom. I'm. I'm giving my stamp of the week to Dunker. Just because I don't even. I mean, how do you not give it to just such a beauty?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I'll give it. I'll give it to my guy. Fucking lost his toupee. Gerald. Gerald Miller and still won the fight, baby. My boy, Gerald.

[Jason Kelsey]

How about. How do we know he won the fight? I feel like you're just randomly saying that there's been nothing.

[Brandon]

He did win. He did win. He did win.

[Travis Kelsey]

Confirmed.

[Jason Kelsey]

And before we get out of stamp of the week, we have an honorable stamp of the week to give out.

[Travis Kelsey]

We talked about this a little bit earlier. Jason, you want to do the honors?

[Jason Kelsey]

We love the kids here at New Heights. That's right. We're always thinking about how we could take this show to new heights. We decided to bring on somebody who had one of the greatest viral moments of all time. After The Eagles were eliminated this year in the playoffs. 92 percenters. Please welcome Sam Salvo. Let's take a look at this clip. For those of you that aren't aware, this kid has a future in the making. I mean, he's gonna be on ESPN one day. He's gonna have his. Who even thinks of this stuff?

[Sam Salvo]

Yes. This was a huge letdown. This was my Christmas present, and I got a loss.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, no.

[Sam Salvo]

Yeah, probably. I'm feeling two of two things. A, I want A.J. brown packing his bag somewhere else that is not here. I love you, A.J. but, like, you can't make those drops in that game. And I also kept flipping burgers at, like, the local McDonald's or something.

[Jason Kelsey]

I know.

[Sam Salvo]

Don't care.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why do you say that?

[Sam Salvo]

Whenever he's an offensive coordinator, it's like he's flipping burgers. One side, he's cooking. One half he's cooking, and the other half is completely raw.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dude, I just. Amazing comments from a child.

[Travis Kelsey]

Kids don't know, like, if you just come out sounding like GMs, do they just. It's just in. It's something in, like, the water. When they grow, when they. They're born, that as soon as they hit age, like eight, they know how to talk like adults. Pack your bags is something they find out when they're, like, three years old. Like, that's what you just tell Eagles players when they. When they don't play their best.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, Mom's been listening to wip Sports Take the womb the whole time.

[Travis Kelsey]

Radio waves.

[Jason Kelsey]

So they just come out with hot takes and shitting on people. Yeah, no, it's. It's. It's ingrained in Philadelphia for sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

It reminds me of a gentleman named Patrick Bacon.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, dude, that is. He's remarkably, like, maturely grown up in the way he's talking, which is what makes the whole thing.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's so fun.

[Jason Kelsey]

I want AJ Brown packing his bags.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let me tell you how I feel about the Birds right now. Two things. I'm just like, what?

[Jason Kelsey]

I got a feeling this kid's dad has been regurgitated, that he's regurgitating a lot of things. He's been hearing frustrations from his dad on the drive into school every morning for the last six months. This fucking guy. Well, you're in luck, 92 percenters, because we got Sam coming on the show. That's right. Sam Savo. That is who the child is in that video. And we're going to get his take on the new Eagles offensive coordinator. Hire Sean Manion. We Felt like. Let's see what his opinion is on this.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, let's see how he. See if he's flipping burgers, too.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sam, welcome to the show.

[Sam Salvo]

Hey, what's up?

[Travis Kelsey]

Flipping patties like the Eagles are flipping offensive coordinators, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jesus got this spatula for a microphone. All right. He's not holding back. Sam, I gotta know. What. What were your impressions of your viral moment of your video? What did you think? And what. What did everybody tell you at school?

[Sam Salvo]

Kids at school went crazy, like, because I don't even know. Like, they just came up for no reason. I don't even know, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh. I. All right, I gotta know. Obviously you weren't a big fan of Kevin Patullo. What do you think of the Sean Manion hire?

[Sam Salvo]

I hope that he can work with Jalen better than Petullo did. Because I think that. I think that if he could work with Jordan Love and make him a top tier passer in the NFL, I think that maybe he could work with Jalen better than Petullo.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh. I love this.

[Travis Kelsey]

And he's done his research, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sorry. What is. What are we thinking about AJ Are we still out on aj? I mean, you were pretty upset after the game.

[Sam Salvo]

Yeah, I was very upset.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sometimes a couple weeks. What. What are we thinking about A.J. brown for next year?

[Sam Salvo]

I'm not still 100% sure. I think that we could definitely build an offense around Schmitty, but I think that having someone that we can, like, like, sometimes rely on in some big situations to just throw to, I think that we should still have him on the team.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love that he's a good player. Don't. Don't. I know he had a rough go. I know he's had some frustrations. Hopefully that can be fixed with some new plays and offensive. By the way, what do you. What do you want the Eagles to run this year?

[Travis Kelsey]

What formations and schemes here?

[Sam Salvo]

Dude, I want them to run. I want them to run it more to their strong side of their offensive line because, like, really it was. This year it was more like, like, up the middle runs. And really with Kellen Moore, we didn't see that as much. And that's when Saquon had, like, one of the best years of all time, if not the best rushing year of all time. So honestly, I think that I would, like, if we could run more outside plays, and I think that if we could get Jalen a little bit more, like, seeing the defense better and like, recognizing sometimes, like, because, like, on the last Play of the game. It seemed like everyone was gonna blitz. I was there and, like, it seemed like everyone's gonna come in, like a house called blitz.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Sam Salvo]

I mean, if it was a house called blitz, the Goddard play would have worked, but they backed up into the zone and they batted it down.

[Travis Kelsey]

So, man, you're. You're out here watching Phil, Dude, I.

[Jason Kelsey]

Love the commitment to the spatula. You're still talking into it like it's a microphone. Everyone, have you ever actually flipped the burger?

[Sam Salvo]

Actually, I did last night, actually.

[Travis Kelsey]

There we go, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's cooking. He's cooking.

[Travis Kelsey]

You get that thing nice and cooked, well done. Was it medium? Was it was. It was one side raw?

[Sam Salvo]

Medium, Medium.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. A nice medium burger. Or keep it juicy and cooked, baby. I like it. I like it, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, I. I think it goes without saying, if football doesn't work out, you got a future in commentary, man, you are natural at this. Yeah, you got the analyst work done really well. Outside zone. The Eagles are going to run a lot. Run a lot more. Outside zone.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's what Sean manion and the McVeigh system is rooted in, right? Outside zone. Boo. They'll still go down the middle, but, yeah, you're on top of it. I love it. Well educated, good takes with some flavor to it. I love it, man. That's typical Philadelphia. Do you want. Do you listen to WIP sometimes, like.

[Sam Salvo]

When I'm in my grandpa's car.

[Jason Kelsey]

It. Yeah. I knew it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I knew it. I love it.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's a natural.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's a natural wip, man.

[Jason Kelsey]

Get a.

[Travis Kelsey]

Get him a segment this year, man, once a week. See it and see how the new OC is doing.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who's your favorite player on the Birds right now? Who do you like?

[Sam Salvo]

That's a tough question because I really like Cooper Dean.

[Jason Kelsey]

Coop. Yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

Coop's got the juice.

[Sam Salvo]

I probably gotta go with Jaylen Carter.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jaylen Carter. Jc, baby. That's a bad man. In the middle of that defense.

[Travis Kelsey]

Big old some buck right there, man. You ever seen him in person? Dude?

[Jason Kelsey]

Nah, you don't want to.

[Travis Kelsey]

You walk up on the guy that fucking big.

[Sam Salvo]

Oh, yeah, dude. He'd be like twice my size.

[Jason Kelsey]

How much of what you were saying after the game is stuff that your dad's been yelling at you furiously for the past six months?

[Sam Salvo]

Absolutely nothing. Actually none of it. I came up with pretty much every single word, except. Except the part that I want A.J. brown packing his bags because I wasn't sure 100% about that.

[Jason Kelsey]

That.

[Sam Salvo]

But I'm 100% patulo, flipping burgers, no questions asked.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's sticking to it. He's sticking to it. I love it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Fan, man. Appreciate you. Sam. Dog, thank you for the, thank you for the bit that, that you had on the, on the Philly news. And also, man, thank you for jumping on dog. We'll have to circle back.

[Jason Kelsey]

We gotta get you back.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, we're gonna need repetitive updates.

[Jason Kelsey]

How do you feel about that, Sam?

[Sam Salvo]

That'd be amazing. You guys are like my idols.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who's gonna win the Super Bowl?

[Sam Salvo]

Patriots.

[Jason Kelsey]

Patriots all the way.

[Sam Salvo]

I think that even though Drake May hasn't like played his best ball during the playoffs, I think that he's going to come up huge in this game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay. I like his five point dog.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's very direct. He's very direct. The man knows what he wants. Sam, before we get out of here, you want to give anybody a shout out? Anybody in school? Any of the homies?

[Sam Salvo]

Yeah, yeah. First thing. Can I shout out all my friends at table C at Wasikin.

[Jason Kelsey]

Table C. And can I also shout.

[Sam Salvo]

Out my friend Derek Sanders?

[Jason Kelsey]

Derek Sanders. Sanders.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out to D.C. there you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, my bad. What are you shouting out Derek Sanders? Is he just your friend?

[Sam Salvo]

Yeah, he's my friend. And also one more thing to say. We got merch now, so buy some merch.

[Travis Kelsey]

There we go.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's a natural. Get the plug in. He's a natural.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well done, brother.

[Jason Kelsey]

You killed it.

[Travis Kelsey]

We'll have to follow up and catch it next year and see how the birds are doing, man.

[Sam Salvo]

Oh, absolutely, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, dog. Enjoy the mayor.

[Jason Kelsey]

Brother, before you go, is. Is Paul there?

[Sam Salvo]

My dad.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Sam Salvo]

Hey, dad. One sec. Sorry, my dad's. He's a little bit slow.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's slow. All right.

[Sam Salvo]

Here you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

What's up, boys? What's up, Paul?

[Travis Kelsey]

What's going on, big guy?

[Jason Kelsey]

Has this kid always been like this?

[Paul Salvo]

This kid's been wild since he came.

[Travis Kelsey]

Out of his mom's room, bro.

[Paul Salvo]

This kid's crazy. We play in this touch football league down in Villan. He coaches the team. It's like all the kids and I go in to play quarterback because whatever. And he's screaming from the sideline, you're the biggest bum quarterback in this league.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm like, you're supposed to be co. You're supposed to be.

[Paul Salvo]

You're supposed to be coaching me. You're the fifth string quarterback on this team. I'm like, bro, don't tell me how bad I am. He gets a little nervous, but he. When you let him go.

[Jason Kelsey]

He.

[Cooper Kupp]

He's.

[Paul Salvo]

He's a funny cat.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, you could tell, man. He's a freaking firecracker, man. I love it. Well done. I'm sure that's a handful to deal with, but it's also a lot of fun. I'm sure. So. Way to go, dad. That's awesome.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hell, yeah.

[Paul Salvo]

I appreciate it, boys. Yeah, it's fun.

[Travis Kelsey]

But you know what?

[Paul Salvo]

That'll put him in a headlock and drop him to the ground in three seconds. I do not have the tape. I really appreciate you guys having him on, and it was a blast for him. He's been looking forward to. He looks up to you guys. I don't know why, but he does for some reason. I think Travis got Scott Taylor. He's like, ah, that's my guy, Jason. He's got a good beard, I guess.

[Jason Kelsey]

I love it, man. Well done, man. I appreciate it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Appreciate you, big guy.

[Paul Salvo]

Appreciate you guys.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you so much. All right, that's Sam Salvo and his father, Paul. I still think that Sam's probably repeating a lot of those things that Paul's saying, but either way, that kid is something else, man.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can tell Paul. You could tell his personality.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Dude. That no fan family Electric.

[Travis Kelsey]

Absolutely.

[Jason Kelsey]

All righty. That wraps up Stamp of the Week brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Any more final thoughts before we close this thing out, trav? Super Bowl 60. We're going to be out there. A lot of things happening this week.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think we've kind of already talked about it. Obviously, huge variable fans. Drake Mays got his opportunity to, you know, implement his self into, you know, super bowl stardom. And I just think it's going to be a great game because the Julian came on here, talked about, you know, how the. The Patriots and their. Their coaching staff and they just have an ability to. To kind of control the pace of every game that they're in and then make the right decisions and the big plays when the. When they need to be made on the offensive side. And that defense is good, man. And then on top of that, you got Seattle, who's got the juice. They got the energy, they got the excitement, they got. They got the. The big playability. You know, they got the ability to grind it out in the. In the run game. It's just. It's. It's going to be a fucking fun matchup, man. That defense flies around. I'm sure they'll make Drake May's job a little bit harder been. And I'm excited for a great game. But I do think that Seattle's got what it takes to kind of come out on top on this one. I can't say I'm. I'm not here rooting for Sam Darnold, man. I just. I love that story. I love. I love who he is as a dude, how he stayed true to him, to the process and himself and his confidence. And right now he's. He's playing better than he's played all. All career.

[Jason Kelsey]

Could not agree more, man. Well said. I'm pretty much right there with you on everything thing I do got to say, I will be out there at the pro. I guess this is coming out Wednesday, so I'm going to be at the Pro bowl beforehand. It is wild how this whole week has turned into not even just the Super Bowl. Like, there's all these events out there. It's like truly a week of almost like a convention for the NFL. Like the whole. There's NFL honors, like, all of it.

[Travis Kelsey]

So yeah, there's New Heights barque party. Come on down. New Heights, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

Either way, Enjoy the Super Bowl 92% centers. That wraps up this episode of New Heights. Thank you to our guests Cooper Cup, Julie Edelman, and of course, Sam Salvo. The young up and coming journalists. Make sure you subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow the New Heights show on Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights ad free right now by joining Wondering plus on the one re app or on Apple podcasts.

[Travis Kelsey]

Once again, New Heights of Wonder show brought to you by Intuit TurboTax. Don't forget to do your taxes, ladies and gentlemen. Follow show on all social media at new height show with 1s. And thanks to all our 92 percenters, this new heights production team especially. And everybody go enjoy some Super Bowl Sunday. One of the best days of the year, man. Sam's going to be the king of table C. Yeah, the Table C boys.

[Jason Kelsey]

Are going to love that.

[Travis Kelsey]

You have to give them a chance to shout out the boys.

[Cooper Kupp]

Shout out your boys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out your boys, boys. Yeah, the table C boys. Him and Derek Sanders are just gonna.

[Cooper Kupp]

Run the third grade.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you guys see me? Did you guys see me? They're getting kicked out of class. Guaranteed. They're gonna their swag. Their confidence is gonna be way too high. They're gonna think they're way too cool.

[Brandon]

Man, there is something electric about having.

[Travis Kelsey]

Kids on Mr. Fasky. You're gonna be flipping burgers.

[Cooper Kupp]

Do you know you're talking to I'm.

[Travis Kelsey]

Travis, Kelsey's best friend. You talking to me?

[Jason Kelsey]

I dig it though. I dig the kids vibe. I don't know what it is about him, and I just. Just like the confidence.

[Brandon]

To Sam's teachers. We apologize immensely.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Brandon]

He's not walking in normal on Thursday. We're so sorry.

[Travis Kelsey]

We're sorry. But just put him straight to in school detention. Actually, don't even give him a chance to put him back in.

[Brandon]

Put him right against nose against the wall.

[Jason Kelsey]

Speaking of kids, do you guys hear Benny just screaming right now? Is that audible?

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Should I try?

[Brandon]

And it makes the turbo tax ad read better, I think.