Kylie's Perfect Mother's Day & Rory McIlroy on Masters Win, Shrink The Game & Golf Dad Tips | Ep 190

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce — Episode 190

"Kylie's Perfect Mother's Day & Rory McIlroy on Masters Win, Shrink The Game & Golf Dad Tips"
Release Date: May 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of New Heights blends family warmth with sports insight, featuring Jason and Travis Kelce riffing on NFL headlines, sibling shenanigans, and pop culture. Highlights include Kylie Kelce sharing her take on the perfect Mother's Day (and tackling Mother's Day hotline questions), plus a feature interview with golf superstar Rory McIlroy, reflecting on his Masters wins, the “grow vs. shrink the game” debate, and parenting as a golf dad. The brothers’ fun, open banter and a down-to-earth guest segment keep the episode engaging for listeners, NFL fans, and sports enthusiasts alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Rookie Camps & Number Controversies

• [06:41–15:10]
  • Jason and Travis discuss their first impressions of the 2026 Eagles and Chiefs rookie minicamps, critiquing drills and player numbers with trademark irreverence.
  • Notable Take: Jason expresses strong feelings about the number 34 being worn by a new Chiefs edge rusher:

    "I'm just gonna put out there. I hate the number 34. I don't think he wore that outside backer well."
    —Jason [07:28]

  • The brothers debate the significance of bag drills:

    "Can you gauge anything from watching bag drills right there? What are you seeing with this?"
    —Brandon
    "Absolutely nothing. No, that's just fun content for the Chiefs to post."
    —Jason [08:57]

  • Football's little details—like shin angles and turf techniques—are discussed with a mix of actual analysis and on-brand goofiness.

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2. Mother's Day: Kylie's Take & Hotline Q&A

• [21:19–41:31]
  • Kylie Kelce joins for a lighthearted, honest chat about what moms really want on Mother’s Day, followed by crowd-submitted questions.
  • Kylie’s Perfect Day:
    • "Brunch at a restaurant and then I want 20 minutes outside. I want food that I don't have to clean up after...and a little bit of quiet." [24:44–24:28]
  • The trio digs into generational mom-daughter dynamics, with Kylie reflecting on her late-teen shift in perspective:

    "When I turned 22...I had a moment where I was like, oh, she's been on my team the whole time."
    —Kylie [27:03]

  • Father’s Influence & House Rules:
    • The Kelsey household rules grew directly from childhood mayhem, like “no playing in the car” (after notorious mischief), kids eating dinner (“You will be thankful.” —Jason [35:59]), and knife-safety stemming from “throwing knives in the air”.
  • Mother's Day for Pet Parents?
    • Kylie is supportive:

      "If you want to celebrate Mother's Day as a pet mom, go the fuck right on and do it."
      —Kylie [40:41]

    • The group gets hung up on the phrase “skin children” as a way to distinguish human from fur-babies:

      "I don't like that phrase. I don't think we need to...we can stop that phrase right now."
      —Kylie [89:03]

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3. NFL Playoffs & Sports Headlines

• [15:11–16:44]
  • NBA Playoffs: The Kelces banter about the Sixers vs. Knicks matchup and the energy of Madison Square Garden crowds, with Jason grinning about iconic New York sports moments and pop-culture cameos.

    "I can't wait to see all the social clips of the Knicks fans because it's every single year Ben Stiller on there. Oh my gosh. Hilarious."
    —Jason [15:25]

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4. Beer Bowl 2026 & Upcoming Shows

• [03:43–06:41]
  • Announcement of the return of “Beer Bowl,” the competitive drinking/games event, now expanded for more fan participation and a $50,000 prize.
  • “No hammers” allowed due to safety lessons from past shenanigans.
  • Live show in LA (June 15) previewed.

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5. Interview: Rory McIlroy on Golf, Growth, and Parenting

• [44:41–87:42]

a) Masters Win & Career Grand Slam

• Rory reflects on his back-to-back Masters victories.

  "You get to the point and you wonder if it's ever going to happen...the euphoria of it all last year, but I think this year was, like, validation."
  —Rory [48:05]

• Describes the emotional experience of sharing the win with his lifelong caddie and tasting a sense of completion.

b) Controversial “Champions Dinner” Choices

• Rory took playful heat for his non-Irish Champions Dinner menu choices and details his love of Bordeaux wine:

  "I made a quip in the press conference where I said, you know, people have asked me why I didn't do more of an Irish theme. And I said, well, I want to enjoy the dinner as well."
  —Rory [53:18]

c) Tradition vs. Change: “Grow the Game” vs. “Shrink the Game”

• The group discusses whether golf’s efforts to appeal to new fans (and events like the Masters’ par-3) conflict with tradition.

  "My thing is...growing the game is actually getting more people to play. Yeah. Like, I think that, you know, golf is a participation sport."
  —Rory [58:05]

• Rory praises Augusta’s willingness to modernize:

  "I don't think any other golf organization pushes the envelope as much as Augusta does...Golf's demographic is old. How do we get it younger? And then if you get the young people in early, then they'll be in golf for the rest of their life."
  —Rory [59:05]

d) Golf Parenting & Dad Tips

• Jason asks about getting kids into golf:

  "To me being a golfer, I don't want Poppy to associate golf with me, like, leaving and not spending time with her. So the more that I can get her on the golf course and playing...just make it fun."
  —Rory [66:59]

• Advice: Make the game enjoyable, positive, and free from pressure.

e) Course Analysis & “Welcome to the Pros” Moment

• Rory’s golf “Mount Rushmore” and a tour through global favorites: Kingston Heath (Australia), Royal County Down (N. Ireland), Pine Valley (US East), Cypress Point (US West). [78:12]
• Recalls the moment he knew he belonged on Tour:

  "I hit a three wood off the tee and he (Ernie Els) hit a driver. And I got up there and I was like 10 yards past him..."
  —Rory [86:09]

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Memorable Quotes

• Mother’s Day Wisdom

  "Brunch at a restaurant and then I want 20 minutes outside. I want food that I don't have to clean up after...and a little bit of quiet."
  —Kylie Kelce [24:44–24:28]

• Golf on Tradition and Change

  "Golf’s demographic is old. How do we get it younger? And then if you get the young people in early, then they'll be in golf for the rest of their life."
  —Rory McIlroy [59:05]

• Sibling Dynamic

  "You will be thankful. Yes, there are starving children."
  —Jason Kelsey (on kids and dinner) [35:59]

• Pet Moms on Mother’s Day

  “If you want to celebrate Mother's Day as a pet mom, go the fuck right on and do it.”
  —Kylie Kelce [40:41]

• Rory on Golf Fatherhood

  "Just make it fun. I mean, whatever that means. Like, let them drive the golf cart or, you know, like, have it be where, okay, we go play golf and then we'll go get ice cream."
  —Rory McIlroy [66:59]

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Timestamps for Core Segments

• NFL Rookies & Drills Banter — [06:41–15:10]
• Mother’s Day Special with Kylie Kelce — [21:19–41:31]
• “House Rules” & Childhood Stories — [31:01–37:14]
• Rory McIlroy Interview — [44:41–87:42]
  • Masters win reflection — [46:14–48:33]
  • “Grow the Game” debate — [56:49–61:39]
  • Parenting & golf dad advice — [66:49–71:09]
  • Course analysis & pro moment — [77:49–86:57]

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Conclusion

This episode delivers the perfect blend of personal warmth, sports insight, and genuine laughs. Jason and Travis keep things fun and thoughtful, while Kylie offers real “mom wisdom” and Rory McIlroy’s interview is a treasure trove for golf fans. Whether you’re interested in family life, locker-room tales, or the evolving world of professional sports, you’ll find something engaging in this well-paced, good-natured episode.

Transcript

[Kylie]

I went to Girl and the Goat, the restaurant Travis took you to and did not eat goat at.

[Brandon]

It is a fantastic restaurant.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice. You get some goat nuts.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Travis, you're wrong. That place rules. It's so good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Didn't say I hated it. I just didn't try it. I wasn't in for goat.

[Kylie]

I had peanut butter and jelly pancakes, which is the fattest thing I've done in months. And it was so.

[Jason Kelsey]

God, that's the most non goat thing air.

[Kylie]

It was a brunch. There's no Greek brunch options. Ooh, chilaquilas was really good though. That's not Greek either.

[Brandon]

But boy, do you think if we went back that you would be more experiment? I feel like. And we won't use this in the episode, but I feel like Taylor has definitely expanded.

[Kylie]

I gotta use it.

[Jason Kelsey]

We can fucking use it. That's nothing wrong with that.

[Brandon]

I feel like.

[Kylie]

Have you grown up?

[Kelsey]

He's more adventurous with food.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like she's a man when I'm around her and eating foods I haven't tried before. Yes.

[Kylie]

When she does the little airplane noises, I like it.

[Rory McIlroy]

Boom, boom.

[Brandon]

That's a clip.

[Jason Kelsey]

Welcome back to New Heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wondrous show brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. We are your hosts.

[Brandon]

I'm Travis Guzz.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is my brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Heights. Shout out to the Cincinnati BearCats.

[Brandon]

Subscribe on YouTube wherever we get your

[Jason Kelsey]

podcast and follow the show on all social media at new heights show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. Man, we got a good show coming up and Jason's going to tell you just how good of a show it is.

[Brandon]

That's right. How good of a show is it? Well, 92%. We got a great show lined up for you. We're going to be taking our first look at some Eagles and Chiefs rookies that we've got of a sudden out there in the social media landscape. Princess Kyana is here to answer some Mother's Day Heights hotline questions. And Roy McElroy is here. That's right, the back to back Masters champion is in the house. It's going to be a doozy, but let's get into something first. As you all know, the first thing we always get into, a little bit of that new news

[Jason Kelsey]

coming in.

[Brandon]

New news is brought to you by Mentos. I'll see if I can. Tickets still available for our live show in Los Angeles. The show is Monday, June 15th.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice link.

[Brandon]

In the description. Check it out. We are excited about this live show. It's gonna be a lot of fun, mainly highlighting the World cup, but it's a chance to just be in front of the fans and doing a live show always has that energy. Still trying to figure some of that stuff out. Is there going to be a goal on stage? Probably. Is there going to be some shenanigans? Most definitely. Should you be there? If you have time available and can afford it, yes. It's going to be a blast. You're going to want to be there if you are a 92 percenter. If you're not a 90 percenter, you probably still going to be there because our book no Dumb Questions is still available for pre order on Chelsea clubhouse dot com.

[Jason Kelsey]

How about it, man?

[Brandon]

The book comes out June 2nd.

[Jason Kelsey]

June's a big month.

[Brandon]

I bet this is going to be a book that does really well on the shitter. Like when you need to just like pass the time. Put the phone down. We don't need more screen time. Because if you're anything like me, you just sit on that phone, then all of a sudden your. Turns into like a 30 minute and then. And then c. And you know, I mean, it just.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's not good for your blood flow, Jason.

[Brandon]

Your. Your feet start like tingling.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's not good for blood flow, man. I heard a lot of bad things happen to people that do that for over 30 minutes. Although it hasn't caught up to dad because dad used to read those Tom Clancy books for hours.

[Brandon]

It's a great spot for getting some reading done. And this is the type of book that would do well. I mean, there's not a lot of continuity with it. It's. It's like a short stories, you know what I mean? It's.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's.

[Brandon]

It's a great book for the shitter. All right, do we want to announce Beerbolt 2026? Yes, we do want to announce Beerbolt 2026.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, nice.

[Brandon]

What are we doing with this right now? Using your phone while you poop greatly raises hemorrhoid risk. Listen, you want to know what greatly raises your hemorrhoid risk? Squatting. Squatting greatly. Much more than any amount of screen time on the toilet does. When you hold your breath with twice your body weight on your back and you go, that's a good hemorrhoid risk. All right.

[Jason Kelsey]

I almost got a hemorrhoid. Watching you do that.

[Brandon]

Exerting gives hemorrhoids. Listen, high achievers have hemorrhoids. Kids. I Don't know what to tell you. You want to be a nothing in life. Care if you get hemorrhoids or not. If you're exerting so hard that part of your intestine comes out your butthole, you're fucking trying. Until then, you haven't tried hard enough. I don't even know if that's what a hemorrhoid is. That's what I imagine it is.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's in that ballpark.

[Brandon]

Alrighty. We also want to announce that Beer Bowl 2026 is actually happening. That's right. We've been debating it, whether to bring it back or not. And to be honest, it's just too fun to not do. We have to do it. It's a blast. You're going to want to enjoy it. It is always in that last weekend in June, last week in June, before July 4th. We always have our OD event down the shore. That Wednesday Beer bowl is always going to be that Thursday or Friday we're experimenting with. Either way, we are doing it again for $50,000. If you want to be in the 2026 Beer bowl, you need to submit a video as to why you should be in it and what your team name and theme is going to be. Those are the two things you must have. Also, you need to be demonstrating your beer drinking abilities. Those are the three criteria of every video that you submit. This year is going to be all new teams with an opportunity to compete for $50,000.

[Jason Kelsey]

$50,000.

[Brandon]

The thing we're learning the most is sometimes when you start with elimination events, there's people that work up to just get there and they only get to do one event and then their time's up. This year we're going to do multiple events in the first round, a point total which will get you into the elimination round. So we're going to try and make it so that everybody who comes gets to participate, which also means more action for the fans that are there to witness. It's going to be way more of a hassle for the production team. Good luck, Brandon and Jake and everybody else. But that's your problem. But it's going to be awesome. You're going to want to be there. It's going to be fun as it is every year. Hopefully nobody gets hurt like I did last year tearing my hamstring. Jesus, Cooper Jean will not be getting a hammer this year.

[Jason Kelsey]

Wait, won't be getting hammered or won't be given a hammer?

[Brandon]

Well, one of the events has been hammer slogging. Every year but hammer schlogging, it turns out, is a risk when you give drunken people hammers in the middle of a competitive event. Yep. So we're avoiding the Hammers. Hammers are done.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Brandon]

We're also, I think we're going to have some fun shenanigans that Garage Beers participating with that will make the event inclusive, meaning if, even if you're not in beer bowl, you can be a part of raising some money for an awesome foundation and giving back. We also got first look at some rookies at Chiefs and Eagles minicamps. Trap, did you see any of these clips?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, man, I was sitting at the house checking the film and I saw a bunch of stuff.

[Brandon]

Well, let's show some.

[Jason Kelsey]

I definitely saw some, some, some practice footage of some fucking madness in rookie camp.

[Brandon]

Oh my gosh, look at him attack that bag.

[Jason Kelsey]

I can't fucking wait. Nice. Nice. So wait, who doesn't love slow motion football, man?

[Brandon]

So that was our Mason Thomas, second round draft pick.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's a edge rusher, so outside backer.

[Brandon]

Like kind of like that. Like, I, I mean, I'm just gonna lie. I'm not. I'm just gonna put out there. I hate the number 34. I don't think he wore that outside backer. Well. Yeah, good for him. It probably has some sentiment of value, but for me, as an unbiased media member and someone who knows nothing about this young man, I don't like 34.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, says, when do you like numbers?

[Brandon]

I hate numbers. Maybe I do like this guy. I hate numbers. But I could tell that he chose it, which makes me hate it even more.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like you're like, you're like equipment guy. Just give me a number kind of guy.

[Brandon]

I'm either equipment guy, give me your number or I'm going to wear this number in honor of like, like, because I want to be that number of that position. 34 is like, what is a 34?

[Jason Kelsey]

Like it's a 3, 4. Outside linebacker.

[Brandon]

What's a 34 number? Individual.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know how to ask our Mason. What is.

[Brandon]

It's a running back of sorts.

[Jason Kelsey]

Historically. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Maybe a safety.

[Jason Kelsey]

Ooh, safety.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like who could wear 20 to 40s? I feel like it was like running backs and safeties were 20 to 40s back in the day.

[Jason Kelsey]

You ever seen this man tote the football?

[Brandon]

Our Mason Thomas?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. You ever seen him run with the football?

[Brandon]

He's a running back too.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's got a nasty stiff arm.

[Brandon]

Oh, he's a dual weight player.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think last year he Messed his hammy up taking a fumble to the house and absolutely dragged a guy the entire way.

[Brandon]

Makes sense that he tore his hamstring.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was impressive.

[Brandon]

Can you gauge anything from watching bag drills right there? What are you seeing with this?

[Jason Kelsey]

Absolutely nothing. No, that's just fun content for the Chiefs to post.

[Brandon]

I. There's something about like D line drills in particular. I'm like, I don't fucking think that's working with a shit.

[Jason Kelsey]

They're over there working techniques, but at the end of the day, either you're going to move this human being out of your way or you're not.

[Brandon]

Offensive line drills definitely make a difference, and the technique matters a lot. Yeah, but then I remember Stefan Wisniewski said to me one time, he's like, dude, watching D lineman are so terrifying doing their drills. They're like swatting your hands and like getting like all that. I'm like, I just feel like it always looks stupid. I don't like. It never feels like. It never feels like that when I'm actually pass blocking the guy or playing against him. All right, let's look at Peter woods stuff and judge him.

[Jason Kelsey]

Big Pete. Let's see.

[Brandon]

Peter Woods.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, no. I like that.

[Brandon]

I'm not gonna lie. I like the way this looks. The little burst look. Oh, my God. I like. He gets fully.

[Jason Kelsey]

Just to hit a bag. You gotta. You gotta watch that left arm, though. That left arm gets a little hot right here. The left arm gets. That's head and neck area. Peter, we gotta stay away from the head and neck area. We gotta.

[Brandon]

We gotta switch the ball. Yeah, he's trying to go for the ball.

[Jason Kelsey]

I know. We gotta work that technique better. We gotta work that technique better.

[Brandon]

I mean, I like the little burst after this one. He goes,

[Jason Kelsey]

I like it. I like it too. Is that 99, 99.

[Brandon]

Little Wayne Gretzky action.

[Jason Kelsey]

Wayne Gretzky, Peter woods, he's telegraphing it

[Brandon]

a little bit, but pretty all around. Fan of that kind of movement.

[Jason Kelsey]

Feet look good to be that big too, man. I like it. Nice and quick.

[Brandon]

All right.

[Kylie]

All right.

[Brandon]

Emt. Johnson.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think it was a fifth round running back. One of the best. I think he was the best running back in the. In the Big ten this year.

[Brandon]

Are you saying statistically or actually, yeah, we saw him.

[Jason Kelsey]

He went to Nebraska.

[Brandon]

All right, let's see. I just like when you're watching these drills with the bags. If their head can stay put while they're moving their legs fast, like the more. It's kind of like a golf swing, the more that upper body can remain independent of the lower body. When you're moving through stuff like this, to me that's a plus. That shows independent appendage usage.

[Jason Kelsey]

So you don't want arms. So you don't want arm drive.

[Brandon]

I like the arm drives in sync. I'm more talking about the head and shoulders. I feel like if you are like very like this, that's not a good sign. If you are kind of stationary up top, all the legs are kind of moving all over the place. I like that.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think if you're going through that shift fluently and you're getting through it quickly, however you got to do it.

[Brandon]

That's a great point.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice L trigger right there in Madden. Nice jump cut.

[Brandon]

It doesn't look like he's fighting it. It doesn't look like he's aggressively fighting the turf. Who's the best running back you've ever seen that look like they were aggressively fighting the turf? Travis. I got one name in mind.

[Jason Kelsey]

Pacheco was throwing his.

[Brandon]

I was not gonna say that. Well, he definitely does do that. I was thinking of somebody who has had slightly more production in the NFL.

[Jason Kelsey]

Adrian Peterson.

[Brandon]

That's exactly who I was thinking. He's. There are not many guys that look like they run that hard translate into really good running backs in the FO I. I usually prefer smoothness to like fighting the turf. Adrian Peterson. Jesus.

[Jason Kelsey]

He had some thunder and lightning for sure.

[Brandon]

That grass was pissed off after Adrian Peterson ran on it. It wasn't like no gliding across it. He was fucking getting them cleats in the turf. Hopefully we'll see some more out of Emmett Johnson in the future. Also, Pat Mahomes is a freak. Adam Schefter. Patrick Mahomes is on track to participate in Kansas City's first OTAs. All right, Trav. Where'd he go? Where'd he go? To Germany. Did he go to. Yeah, Germany. Did he go to Panama?

[Jason Kelsey]

He's just. Nope. He's just. What's a hard working American man that was in Kansas City knocking out rehab and getting his leg strength back.

[Brandon]

It's like my cousin Vinny. Am I to believe that this man's PCL grows faster in his leg than in my leg?

[Jason Kelsey]

I think that's all dependent upon how you handle rehab.

[Brandon]

I think genetics also are more differential than instant crits.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

All right. Eagles fans hyped for Makai Lemon's shin angle. What's this? I have not seen this. Brandon.

[Jason Kelsey]

Good shin angle right there. Parallel with it is good Shining.

[Brandon]

I. I mean, I do like the vertical shin angle, which is what this is kind of showing. Tell me if I'm off on this chest. I like when you see more of the lateral ability to keep your foot in the ground and that shit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, that's ankle flexion. That's ankle flexion.

[Brandon]

Well, this is a form of ankle flexion, too. It's just more dorsiflexion. Whereas I like Doris in terms of changing direction, which to me makes a bigger deal on the football field, is how well you can like. Travis does a great job with this. I've always said he has gumpy knees, but a lot of it comes down to how well can he internally rotate his shins while his foot remains on the ground.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And that's where you see a lot of guys slip, is when they get too extreme and then their foot comes off the ground and they start slipping off the inside.

[Jason Kelsey]

Now they're playing on edges.

[Brandon]

Yeah, but this is. I mean, anytime you or you have good shin angles like this and good, like dorsiflexion, that's a good sign that you're gonna be able to change direction very well.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, listen. Yeah, that was one of the things you saw instantly on all the. All the film that you could see on Lemon and Right. In college. His. His. Him as an athlete. I mean, one of the best in the draft. The fact that he can get in and out of cuts. He's very. He's a strong ass runner and is. His separation on the top of routes is just so clean and pure and precise. So this is. Yeah, this isn't like blowing my mind, but I do appreciate, you know, how good of an athlete he is.

[Brandon]

No doubt.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's not blowing my mind because I would expect to see what I saw on film. You know what I mean?

[Brandon]

Yeah, it makes sense.

[Jason Kelsey]

Last thing. Jake and Jason might not be friends in a week because we've got Knicks versus the Sixers in the NBA playoffs. I'll be watching the Cavs versus the Detroit Pistons.

[Brandon]

Why not just watch both, Travis?

[Jason Kelsey]

Because I'm a fan of the Cavs.

[Brandon]

But you can watch. So you can just watch other teams because you like basketball.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, you're right. I can. 100%. I'll probably watch the games that are at Madison Square Garden. Because it's the Garden. Yeah. It's absolutely epic. And I can't wait to see all the social clips of the Knicks fans because it's every single year Ben Stiller on there. Oh, my gosh. Hilarious. I'm just talking about, like, the. The. Not even in the stadium. Just like people on. On the streets talking shit. Dude. It's hilarious, man, when the Knicks are fucking firing like they are right now, man. Ah, God, I got to get to a game in the garden, man.

[Brandon]

The Sixers. I don't think many people thought they'd make it out of the Celtics leading up into that series. Obviously, they playing pretty damn well. Paul George is playing really well. Embiid is back. He's a force.

[Jason Kelsey]

Axie is unstoppable.

[Brandon]

Knicks, I think they beat a team by like 70 points or something like that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Knicks rolled the end of that series, but.

[Brandon]

And obviously Jalen Brunson being from the Villa era area, I know him very well. So, like, you know, listen, I'm rooting for the Sixers, but I also like watching Brunson play, so. But yeah, at the same time, fuck you, Jake. All right, that's different. New news brought to you by Mentos.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Brandon]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Kylie]

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[Brandon]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Brandon]

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[Jason Kelsey]

You ever get stuck in the same routine? Same breakfast, same drive, same playlist on repeat?

[Brandon]

Yeah, we've all been there. And sometimes all you need is a little fresh to switch it up.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. That's where Mentos comes in. Mentos Chewy Mints help refresh your routine by giving you inspiration to switch up your day. Do you remember those Fresh Maker commercials, Jason?

[Brandon]

We were just humming them, Travis. Of course I remember them.

[Jason Kelsey]

Of course we remember those Fresh Maker commercials. It's one of the best jingles of all time.

[Brandon]

Well, if you're looking to add a little fun, a little flavor, and a whole lot of chew, they've got classic men or fruity flavors, including the new discovery roll with 14 new and unique flavors.

[Jason Kelsey]

14. Whether you're grinding through the day, stuck in traffic, or just need a moment

[Brandon]

to reset, the fruity ones are good, I will say.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh my gosh, they're, they're the. I love the fruity one.

[Brandon]

Refresh it every day with Mentos Chewy Mints. Say yes to fresh.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Brandon]

Or get the fruity ones and say yes to fruit. Thank you to our partner, Expedia.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, Expedia. Mother's Day weekend is here. And if you're planning a family getaw way to celebrate, you want to keep it simple.

[Brandon]

And that's where Expedia comes in. It's an all in one travel shop, flights, hotels, vacation rentals, cars, activities, everything. It's right there. All right. Whatever you need, you can get on Expedia. Whether you want to rent a nice suv, a minivan. I don't know if they have minivans.

[Jason Kelsey]

Actually, they should have minivans.

[Brandon]

Listen for those minivans. They are underrated vehicle. Yeah. Especially for a trip with a family. Anyways, my favorite trip of all time is probably driving all the way down to Walt Disney World and down to Florida. Growing up, it was always like we were going to like some faraway land and we got in the minivan and I got left at a rest stop and.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, and these are the memories.

[Brandon]

You look well. And also save the day by telling them that I wasn't in the backseat.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, but I waited until we were on the freeway to tell them.

[Brandon]

Yeah, you waited a bit. You, you, you wanted to See dad run on the shoulder of the interstate back to the rest stop, which I get. But, yeah, these are the fun things you can expect to experience when you are on a family vacation. And it's only going to be made easier with Expedia.

[Jason Kelsey]

Here's the thing about planning a family trip. It gets complicated fast. Everyone's got different schedules these days, different ideas. But Expedia's got you covered.

[Brandon]

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[Jason Kelsey]

That's right. Expedia. The one place you go to go places.

[Brandon]

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[Kylie]

Kylie, you ready?

[Kelsey]

I mean, this won't be the first podcast we start. And I'm still doing my mascara. Go ahead. Do I get an introduction here, Jason?

[Brandon]

I don't think I will know. It's. Travis is the one handling this. It looks like.

[Kelsey]

Okay. Oh, no. Don't put that pressure on Travis.

[Brandon]

I'm just doing what Brandon puts in the rundown. I am Ron Burgundy,

[Jason Kelsey]

92 percenters. It's almost mother's Day, so we have a special edition of Heights Hotline, brought to you by Expedia. Shout out to Expedia. And here to help us answer your motherly questions is the host of the Webby award winning podcast, the greatest podcast in all the land. Not gonna lie.

[Brandon]

Kylie, Kelsey, come on in.

[Jason Kelsey]

One of America's favorite mothers.

[Brandon]

Gotcha.

[Jason Kelsey]

Happy early Mother's Day.

[Kelsey]

Thank you.

[Jason Kelsey]

You guys are gonna do something special. Jason, no. Jason.

[Brandon]

Yeah. We always do something special on Mother's Day. Okay, you're setting yourself up, bud.

[Jason Kelsey]

You better start playing.

[Brandon]

Well, that leads us to our first question. What would be a perfect mother Mother's Day for you?

[Jason Kelsey]

Kylie? Dream Mother's Day?

[Kelsey]

I don't know. Last Mother's Day was great. We got some brunch and I love brunch.

[Brandon]

Ooh.

[Jason Kelsey]

But what.

[Brandon]

What else? Just literally.

[Kelsey]

Literally.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let me write this down. Brunch. B R U F.

[Brandon]

Act like I'm not here. Just make me disappear.

[Kelsey]

Okay. Brunch, Brunch. I don't know.

[Brandon]

Back rubs

[Kelsey]

from you.

[Brandon]

I. I got bad hands.

[Rory McIlroy]

You know that.

[Kelsey]

That's why. That's why I wanted clarity on the situation.

[Brandon]

I scratched Ellie's back last night and she was like, dad, why does it hurt? Why do your fingernails hurt? But Mom's fingernails feel good?

[Jason Kelsey]

Jesus.

[Kelsey]

To be fair, his fingers don't bend anymore. I literally. We recently called his hands man mitts.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's just walking around like this everywhere he goes.

[Kelsey]

You should see him Try to do the girl's hair. His fingers don't bend. He goes like this. To the top. Like this to the top of her head, like he's doing his palms.

[Brandon]

Isn't that what you're supposed to do? Sure. All right, so what else do we got? We got brunch. What about breakfast in bed? I heard some women like that.

[Kelsey]

No, no. I don't want food in bed.

[Brandon]

Okay. Okay. No breakfast.

[Kelsey]

I want silence.

[Brandon]

Silence.

[Kelsey]

I want silence.

[Brandon]

That's gonna be a tough one. Yep, that's gonna be a tough one.

[Kelsey]

I want 20 minutes of silence.

[Brandon]

20. We can do 20 minutes. We just go outside. We can do that.

[Kelsey]

Who's we? You're noisy. You say inside.

[Brandon]

No, we. No, we all go. We all go. No, no, no.

[Kelsey]

I go outside, and you say inside.

[Brandon]

So a perfect day. Mother's Day. Is Kylie outside? Okay, thank you.

[Kelsey]

Kylie outside, Kylie outside.

[Brandon]

All right.

[Kelsey]

A little bit of quiet.

[Brandon]

So a brunch picnic.

[Kelsey]

No, no. I want food that I don't have to clean up after.

[Brandon]

Got it.

[Kelsey]

Okay, so brunch at a restaurant, and then I want 20 minutes outside.

[Brandon]

So you just want to go to

[Jason Kelsey]

park, What,

[Brandon]

One of the two? All right, perfect.

[Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Same as usual. Got it. Yeah,

[Kelsey]

that's. I am the worst person to ask girl questions to because I am a creature of habit. I want to go to the same places. I want to get the same food. I'm not the person to ask. See, like, I would be fine if you just did. What did you used to do? Candles and earrings.

[Brandon]

That wasn't for Mother's Day. That was a Christmas thing.

[Kelsey]

Oh, perfect.

[Rory McIlroy]

Okay, nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

But you're. You're against candles now, though?

[Kelsey]

Well, just because he is.

[Brandon]

I am.

[Kelsey]

I burn them when he leaves.

[Brandon]

All right, well, we have some 92 percenter voicemails that they have asked us about Mother's Day, and we figured we'd bring you in as our resident expert. Mother, do you want to pick some of these?

[Kelsey]

Am I picking one?

[Brandon]

We're going to pick a few.

[Kelsey]

Oh, can you just pick, then?

[Brandon]

Okay. Let's do wish girls understood about their moms.

[Kelsey]

Oh, no.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hi, my name is Sarah. I'm from North Carolina. I'm not a mom, but I am a teenager.

[Brandon]

Seems pertinent for Mother's Day.

[Voicemail Callers]

And from a mom's perspective, less husband

[Brandon]

attacking and more just.

[Voicemail Callers]

What is something that you wish girls understood about their moms that we probably don't realize?

[Brandon]

Love y'.

[Voicemail Callers]

All.

[Brandon]

Love you, too. Love you. All right. You remember what it was like to be a Teenager.

[Kelsey]

Yes, I do. Trash.

[Brandon]

And I remember that you. You have told me that most daughters in the teenage years struggle with moms.

[Kelsey]

Yes. So I can only speak to my experience with my mother, because I do realize that I lucked out. My mom is Lolisa's top tier.

[Jason Kelsey]

Happy Mother's Day. Lis.

[Kelsey]

My concern is, is that. So this. This applies to great moms. I don't. I don't. I know that that's not everyone's situation, and I'm sorry that some moms fall short. I know that that's some people's experience, but what I will tell you from my own experience is that I felt strongly that when I turned. Let's call it 15. That my mom was plotting against me. I swore it up and down. I thought for sure that woman was trying to take me down.

[Brandon]

That's a good theory.

[Kelsey]

When I turned 22, maybe 21. Let's say 21. Okay, let's call 21. I had a moment where I was like, oh, she's been on my team the whole time.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Probably number one fan, if we're being honest.

[Kelsey]

Let's.

[Brandon]

Seriously, though, what. So what is. What caused you to think that she was trying to ruin your life?

[Kelsey]

That she was trying to tell me what to do. And as a teenage girl, I thought, I know better than you, which is,

[Brandon]

like, what time to be home, like,

[Kelsey]

the curfews, like that. No, I was. I didn't even go out.

[Brandon]

So what are we. What are we talking about?

[Jason Kelsey]

There.

[Kelsey]

There was a moment in time where I was potentially going to switch schools, and she was advocating for that because I wasn't happy with, like, classmates and. And that sort of thing. And I was more. Less classmates and more class. I was not excelling academically.

[Brandon]

Ah, gotcha.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean school's bad.

[Kelsey]

That's what I'm saying. The school. Great. When I leave the school, you want me to do homework. That's weird.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

You do the work at the school.

[Kelsey]

You just had me for seven hours, and if you didn't get out of me then, I can't help you now. Like, that's how I felt about it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, my mom never brought work home. She did all of her work at work.

[Kelsey]

Thank you.

[Brandon]

So Lisa was advocating for you to leave schools or abusing for you to just do.

[Kelsey]

We were exploring other options for me to potentially go to a different school that could help me academically.

[Brandon]

Is this, like, one of the.

[Kelsey]

Jason, Daniel.

[Brandon]

I don't know where to go from there.

[Jason Kelsey]

I Think that's great advice. Moms are always on this voicemail.

[Brandon]

We can go to the next voicemail.

[Kelsey]

Let's go to the next voice. Show me the list. I'm done with him picking.

[Brandon]

I thought it was a fun one.

[Jason Kelsey]

I thought it was a good one. And that's good advice for all teenage girls out there.

[Kelsey]

They might not be rooting against you. Let's see.

[Brandon]

First Mother's Day.

[Kelsey]

Brandon likes that one.

[Brandon]

I don't think this one's going to be good, but let's go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Me neither. Let's go.

[Rory McIlroy]

Hey, guys, I have a new father Mother's Day question here. Currently pregnant, but the baby isn't here yet. Do I still have to get her a Mother's Day gift?

[Kelsey]

No. This is again, where, like, girl questions. I'm bad at. I would say, no, the baby's not here yet. What I do think is, is that if you want to do a little something, maybe like flowers or something small and be like, I can't wait until next year when we can. When we can celebrate your first official Mother's Day. That's a great segue, let's say. But I don't think that I don't

[Brandon]

gotta change some diapers. Those tits are still intact. You got a lot of. You got a lot of milestones to overcome.

[Kelsey]

What did you just say? Did he just say your tits are still intact?

[Brandon]

That's my wife. I'm just being honest.

[Kelsey]

This is still intact.

[Brandon]

That's my wife.

[Kelsey]

Are still intact. Tell Emily I'm so sorry.

[Rory McIlroy]

I will. Thanks, guy. I appreciate you being on that side of the debate. That is not what I thought was gonna happen.

[Kelsey]

I know. That's why I'm saying I'm bad at girl questions. God, I can't believe you just referenced Jake's. I can't believe that you.

[Brandon]

Just go with it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Go with your heart, man, if you

[Brandon]

want to do it. I wasn't saying about Emily. I was just saying holistically about all moms.

[Kelsey]

Well, I mean, your tits are still intact. To be fair, I really. I really resonate with that sentiment. My tits are no longer intact.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's where I thought the burn was. I thought the burn was more of an attack on who?

[Kelsey]

I agree with those.

[Brandon]

All right, all right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's do another voicemail.

[Brandon]

What's another good one?

[Jason Kelsey]

I want to. I want a specific. Kel's household rules.

[Kelsey]

If you get into specific Kelsey House rule. The problem is you're about to get bleep. Jason's gonna get bleeped here. We Go.

[Voicemail Callers]

My no, dumb question is for Kylie, who I understand is going to be on the Mother's Day podcast. My question is this, Kylie, what's a very specific Kelsey household rule that exists purely because of something Jason or Travis did once that can never be allowed to happen again?

[Brandon]

Why are you talking that way?

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't even know what she asked.

[Kelsey]

Her question was, what is a Kelsey house rule that is in place because of something that the two of you have done?

[Jason Kelsey]

We didn't really have that many, like, house rules, did we, Jason?

[Kelsey]

Yeah, I think that's why they assume that there are rules related to the stories.

[Brandon]

She's asking Kylie if. Or I think she was asking more if you implemented rules because of stories you've heard. That's what I thought the question was.

[Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

So you guys didn't understand it either. All right, cool.

[Brandon]

No. Of the house.

[Kelsey]

Let's see, let's see, let's see. I don't know. There are things that I would never allow to happen because of stories I've told that I've been told.

[Brandon]

Oh, interesting.

[Kelsey]

Okay, for instance, no one's. No one's playing in the car.

[Brandon]

Are you talking about when Travis drove it through the garage or when someone

[Kelsey]

took a dump in the trunk?

[Brandon]

Again, that was Travis.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jason.

[Kelsey]

Both of those are a.

[Brandon]

No, no, those are both. Travis.

[Jason Kelsey]

Travis did not.

[Kelsey]

You know what?

[Jason Kelsey]

Travis went. Travis went potty in the bathroom.

[Brandon]

I mean, as I've seen with Wyatt, it is now clear to me that watching Wyatt just tell her younger sisters what to do and egg them on.

[Kelsey]

Don't get me started. Do not get me started.

[Brandon]

Very accurate as to that she's your child.

[Kelsey]

That she is your child. That's what that is.

[Brandon]

All right, what other ones? What other rules

[Kelsey]

I have. I have taken into consideration how our knives are stored because we used to

[Brandon]

throw knives in the air.

[Kelsey]

Who's we? Who is we?

[Brandon]

What? The only known story is of me, but I'm pretty sure Travis was doing it.

[Jason Kelsey]

I got in on some of that fun, for sure.

[Brandon]

Did you?

[Jason Kelsey]

What?

[Kelsey]

I'm locking them in a safe.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who doesn't want to throw knives in the air?

[Brandon]

Yeah, it sounds like a blast.

[Jason Kelsey]

You ever seen Ninja Turtles?

[Kelsey]

Oh, Jesus. In our preschool endeavors, I have made it a point to make sure that the teachers know that I'm siding with them.

[Brandon]

Yes.

[Kelsey]

I'm trying to hedge our bets to not get kicked out.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Brandon]

Our parents sided with teachers.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, they didn't.

[Kelsey]

Your dad literally said when it came to the sport gang that they should have been watching you. Better.

[Brandon]

Well, I mean, they should have. I mean, he was just being honest. They screwed that up. They were letting kids play with silverware all, like, without.

[Kelsey]

It was a sport.

[Jason Kelsey]

I remember mom literally, like, vouching that, you know, we were right the majority of the time. We were in trouble.

[Kelsey]

Like, oh. Like when. When the stories of Jason fighting are always that he was. He didn't start it. He was finishing it or he was standing up for somebody else. That was the.

[Brandon]

That's the other big one of those times. I.

[Kelsey]

There was one of the 72 times I got in a fight.

[Brandon]

There was a girl that was being picked on, or I thought that it turned it out that they were playing together, but I thought she was being picked on, and I thought I was protecting her.

[Kelsey]

You thought you were

[Brandon]

told to do. Exactly.

[Kelsey]

Jason, is there a rule that you feel strongly about in our house that. Oh, I can hear our kids.

[Brandon]

What's up?

[Kelsey]

Is there a rule, like, a house rule that you feel strongly about in our house currently?

[Brandon]

I don't even know. Do we have rules?

[Kelsey]

I mean, we have a couple.

[Brandon]

The rule that I would like to change is that the puppy is sleeping in the bed right now. I don't know. That's a rule. I just want that thing out of the bed. It is quite cuddly at times, and it's very nice when. But I. My allergies are affected.

[Kelsey]

I literally said today that you needed to take us or test.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's getting bad. What else? I don't know that there's.

[Kelsey]

I will say that a rule that I've brought from my own, like, my house growing up.

[Brandon]

My rule that you guys do not follow is McDevitts, that I get sometimes a little bit up, like, a little upset is when the girls aren't eating their food.

[Kelsey]

It is.

[Brandon]

My Ed Kelce comes out, and they're gonna eat that food, and I'm not. There ain't no if, ands, or butts.

[Kelsey]

They're not.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Not if they want to leave the table.

[Jason Kelsey]

They will.

[Kelsey]

No, they're not gonna. Travis, as the resident picky eater, do you agree with that method?

[Jason Kelsey]

100%.

[Brandon]

Yeah, that's right. Yep.

[Jason Kelsey]

And I had to. I had to eat this. Eat the shit I didn't want to eat. I get it. I'm with it, though.

[Kelsey]

We have implemented.

[Jason Kelsey]

You will be thankful.

[Brandon]

Yes, there are starving children.

[Kelsey]

No,

[Rory McIlroy]

he hasn't hit that one.

[Brandon]

He's hit us. That one doesn't really work anymore. It's a thriving economy.

[Kelsey]

No, we need to say there are starving children in America. We have implemented a rule that Jason doesn't like, which is you have to taste it, but if you don't like it, you don't have to eat it.

[Jason Kelsey]

No. Because then they can just. Because there's the stubborn part of Jason's side of, like, the kid that's gonna be like, I don't like it already. As soon as I touches my fucking palate, I'm gonna spit it out and be like, I hate it. And then they. So they won. They won before they even.

[Brandon]

You gotta understand, these kids are half Kelsey. They're half Kelsey. If you give them any room for, like, hey, I got. I can. Got some wiggle room here to do what I want and not have to listen to that amount, they're gonna take it. You gotta lay down the law. Look at what Wyatt is getting a little bit. She's getting a little aggressive in some of the things she does.

[Kelsey]

Mm. Yeah. I mean, but Benny bitter yesterday, so.

[Brandon]

That's right. She's half Kelsey. She knows.

[Kelsey]

Yeah. The worst part is Benny bit Wyatt because Wyatt took something from Benny. And then when Wyatt goes, you don't even care that she bit me. I said, obviously I care. I sent her to timeout. And Ellie goes, that's because that was karma. And I was like, oof, I've said that too many times.

[Jason Kelsey]

She's figured it out. That's too good.

[Brandon]

Yeah. I was like, okay, let's do another voicemail. What else do we want to get into?

[Kelsey]

We can't do. Do pet. Pet moms count? Because we can do it. Jason's gonna disagree because the dog's living in the bed.

[Brandon]

Disagreements are good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Disagreements are good.

[Voicemail Callers]

Hey, guys, this is Andrea from Casey, and I wanted to know your opinion on Mother's Day when it comes to someone having pets and animals. Because I have, for example, three pet pigs. Gus, Georgie, and Frankie. And if I say, like, happy Mother's Day to me and my fur children, then I get told to sit back down because I don't have skin children, therefore, I don't count. So what are your opinions on that? And do pet parents count on Mother's Day? Father's Day times.

[Kelsey]

Okay, first of all, can I come over? She said three pet pigs.

[Brandon]

Three pet pigs.

[Kelsey]

I'm so in on that.

[Brandon]

Stop ducking the question.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was about to say I love bacon too.

[Kelsey]

I think you're. Oh, God. I think pet parents count.

[Brandon]

Do you think honest? Are you being honest? Are you just being nice?

[Kelsey]

No, I'm being honest because

[Brandon]

some people can't have their kids.

[Kelsey]

It's just not in everyone's plans to have human children. And so you are solely responsible for that being. Like if you are a pet parent, you are still solely responsible for that being. Now here's the. Here's where I think people are going to get a little offended.

[Brandon]

Nipples are still intact.

[Kelsey]

Fully taking into account. Jesus Christ. Fully taking into account that being a pet parent is not as difficult as being a human parent. It is not.

[Brandon]

Yeah, obvious.

[Kelsey]

But you're still solely responsible for the well being of a being.

[Brandon]

Well, here's the thing. This is the problem. Who's celebrating the mother? The. The people who celebrate Mother's Day are the people who are either like the husband or children of the mom. Like, that's who celebrate. So like, yeah, if her pigs want to celebrate Mother's Day, go for it. I don't know what that she might have a spouse. I'm not going and celebrating Mother's Day for other. I'm. I'm celebrating. I mean it is for all moms, but it's more like you get celebrated by the people that you mother to.

[Kelsey]

Yeah. And you mother to pets.

[Brandon]

So let them celebrate her.

[Kelsey]

Okay. Okay. So whoever would like to celebrate you if you are a pet mom, Whoever would like to celebrate you. Green light. We're just not sure who's. Who it is.

[Jason Kelsey]

Whatever floats your boat finds the lost remote.

[Kelsey]

Yes. Oh.

[Jason Kelsey]

3,000 taught me that.

[Brandon]

Hey,

[Kelsey]

that takes us back to Jets Jake, because I'm pretty sure they have a pet.

[Brandon]

Jake has a dog. We do. We have two dogs.

[Kelsey]

Yep. So. Oh, so you're gonna have to. You're gonna have to celebrate.

[Rory McIlroy]

So this year I have to celebrate not the last five that we've had dogs.

[Brandon]

Do we not just be. Can we just make the statement that no, you don't get to celebrate Mother's Day if you are a pet mom.

[Kelsey]

I think that if you want to celebrate Mother's Day as a pet mom, go the fuck right on and do it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do your thing.

[Brandon]

Yeah, you can. It's a free country. You can do whatever you want. But I'm not going to partake in your imagination land you don't have. I don't know. Yes. That's the only reason she's asking. She's asking if there's a permission of

[Kelsey]

like, what was her name? Happy Mother's Day to the mom.

[Jason Kelsey]

Andrea, I believe.

[Kelsey]

Thank you. Happy Mother's Day to Andrea. I think it's really cool that you have three pigs.

[Brandon]

I don't. I don't think it's awesome.

[Kelsey]

You are a mother to the pigs.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think. I don't think you give yourself a Mother's Day, though.

[Brandon]

Exactly.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's the only thing. If somebody wants to give you Mother's Day, I think that makes more sense. I'm not going to say. But again, do what you want because

[Kelsey]

to be honest, I don't. I mean, are you gonna put up your own banner? What's happening for.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, people love to celebrate, so celebrate it.

[Kelsey]

Sure.

[Brandon]

It Go to brunch. Go to brunch with the pigs. Have a good old time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Give yourself 20 minutes outside, alone, peacefully.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Away from the pigs.

[Voicemail Callers]

Away.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Away from the nice. All right. Well, thank you to Kai. Happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there, either pet or human. Moms.

[Brandon]

Kai, do you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Before you get out of here, do you want to plug anything for not gonna lie?

[Kelsey]

No.

[Brandon]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Back to back.

[Brandon]

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[Rory McIlroy]

Today is my birthday.

[Brandon]

Yeah, we caught him on his birthday.

[Jason Kelsey]

Birthday baby. Let's go.

[Rory McIlroy]

Wanted to spend it with you guys. Thank you. This is. That's. I wish my first tea introductions were like that every single week. That'd be really nice. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Anytime you want. I will follow you wherever you go and personally give you that one. Do you have any birthday plans to start there? What are you, what are you going to do? What's a glory birthday?

[Rory McIlroy]

It's sort of. I do. Yeah, I'm. I could have went up to Charlotte today. We're playing a tournament in the truest championship. I could have went up there but I decided to stay at home spend my birthday with, with Erica and Poppy. We've got a few friends coming over later so pretty, pretty low key but don't think 37 is the biggest of birthdays. But yeah, I, I'll, you know, I'll. I'll spend the, the time at home which is. Which is nice.

[Jason Kelsey]

There you go, baby. Well, let's, let's get to it, baby. Let's talk about what everybody wants to hear about back to back Masters dog. I got to catch you on a Friday.

[Rory McIlroy]

I Saw you out there.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was fucking screaming it, baby.

[Brandon]

Back to back, baby.

[Kelsey]

Let's go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's go.

[Rory McIlroy]

I heard you. Yeah. I mean, geez, like, have you touched a club since? I have. I have. I'm like, you know, I did, like, a solid 10 days of, like, celebrating, enjoying it, and then I was like, you know, I felt after last year, I got. Not that I got complacent, but I got a little like, you know, this thing that you've wanted to do your whole life, and you do it, and then it's like, okay, well, what's next? And I sort of went through that lull, I think, that all athletes go through, where it's like, okay, I've achieved the dream. I've achieved everything I've wanted to achieve, so I just didn't want to fall back into that this year. So I give myself 10 days. I celebrated. I had a good time, but I've been practicing for the last. Yeah, for the last 10 days. And, you know, there's still a lot of golf left this season, and I feel like I'm in such a good spot that I don't want to, you know, I. I don't want to waste a couple months of the season like I did last year, so. But look, I've enjoyed it, absolutely. But, you know, I feel like it's time to. To lock back in.

[Brandon]

Where does this one rank compared to last year's?

[Rory McIlroy]

I don't think anything will ever touch last year. You know, you're right. It's 17 years you're willing to do this thing, and, you know, you get to the point and you wonder if it's ever going to happen, and then just the emotion and. Yeah, I don't think anything will top just the euphoria of it all last year, but I think this year was, like, validation. Like, I proved last year that I could do it at this place, and then I go back and, you know, arguably without my best stuff. I mean, I built a really big lead over the first two days, but to get it done in the manner in which I did it. Lost the lead on Sunday, came back, played really solid to get it done. I think just, like, validation on my part that, you know, this is. This is where I should be. This is the level that I should be operating at.

[Brandon]

I mean, it's also just a career. Everything kind of came to moment. Right, because that was the last one you needed for the Grand Slam is like, this whole thing that was just kind of hovering above you. I could imagine what that's like. I mean, Trav and I, I know we both have talked about when you win that super bowl, you really, like, flashback to, like, everything that you did. You go back to being like a kid again. Like, thinking about all growing up together

[Jason Kelsey]

and putting on the pads for the first times, and you see it all come full circle, baby.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, all of it. And I think that, you know, it took me a while to process it all. You know, I've even talked about, you know, I dropped to my knees when I won that first one, and I get up and I turn around, and the first person I see is my lifelong best friend Harry, who's on my bag. Just like. It's just like, he couldn't even write it. Like, it's just an unbelievable script. So there was a lot of stuff to process there, and it was my goal for so long, and finally it happened. It was like I probably needed to give myself that time. And then this year, it's felt different. I didn't even want it. I didn't want to do the going up to New York and doing the late night shows and doing the whole thing. I wanted to enjoy it with my friends, with my family, and as I said, lock back in a little bit earlier than I did last year.

[Jason Kelsey]

But all of the going up to New York and doing all that, it's good for the game, man. And you're. You're obviously been. Yeah, top of the game and one of the biggest names to ever play for such a long time. So doing that stuff, you're kind of giving back to the game and letting everybody know that, yeah, there's. There's somebody that just accomplished what only five others have done in the entire, like, history of this game. So it's. That would. I think that's always kind of needed. But I hear you on. On not wanting to, like, get back into that after this one. Was there any, like, in terms of, like, before, though, was there any, like, prep that you did differently going into this one that you maybe haven't done in years past?

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, absolutely. So I actually, my. My last couple of events before the Masters in Florida, I. I tweaked my back a little bit, so I had to pull out of the event in Orlando. And then I probably played at, I don't know, probably 75% capacity at the players. So I took three weeks off leading into Augusta, I think more to get my body right. And then it gave me the opportunity to go up to Augusta and prepare maybe more than anyone else in the field, which I Actually got a little bit of shit for afterwards, which was

[Brandon]

weird, but trash on people for practicing. Go figure.

[Kelsey]

I know.

[Brandon]

I know.

[Rory McIlroy]

But I felt as prepared as I have going in there. Even though I hadn't had any tournament reps, my game felt good. I felt like, you know, I'd spent so much time up there, I was so comfortable. But there's always a little bit of trepidation when you haven't played for three weeks competitively and you haven't had a card in your hand. It's like, you know, those first few holes on Thursday, you're just trying to feel like, how you feeling? You know, trying to play yourself into the tournament a little bit, so. But once I. Once I got through, like, that first nine holes on Thursday, I felt. I felt really good, and from then on, it was awesome. But, yeah, I felt as prepared as I ever have going into that tournament.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Brandon]

Is there something about Augusta national that just fits your game, specifically? Like, we hear about these courses sometimes. I mean, it seems like you play well everywhere. I guess every course fits your. Not quite.

[Jason Kelsey]

I've got every shot in his bag. Yeah.

[Brandon]

What is it that makes you so successful down there, you think?

[Rory McIlroy]

I think my experience. So I've been playing that tournament since 2009, since I was 19 years old. So, you know, I've played it. I think I've played the tournament 18 times, and it does. It sets up well for my game. I hit it high, I hit it long, and I think over the years, because of the experience, I've just gotten to know that the greens so much better and where to miss it. I mean, like, my short game won me this Masters, you know, just like you, you know, and even I didn't drive the ball particularly well, which is usually my strength and my recovery play. And my short game is what won me this. So I think I proved to myself that I can win a lot of different ways. It doesn't always have to be about the long straight drives and overpowering a golf course. I can do it different ways, but I've always felt, since the first time I played there, that this was a course that sets up well for me and I had the potential to do well. There's. But obviously that's easier said than done. You need to go out there and hit the shots. And I feel like I was able to do that throughout my career, but I was never really able to piece it together for four days in a row. I'd have, like, three good days, and then I'd throw in a 75. So the last two years, I just. My bad days weren't that bad. And that's what I feel like that's what won me the tournament the last couple of years.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hell, yeah.

[Brandon]

Sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, I know you said you caught a little bit of shit for the practicing too much, which is absolutely bogus. But I want to know, did you catch any shit for the Champions dinner menu? Did you get anybody coming after you saying that they didn't want to have this or that or.

[Rory McIlroy]

I had a few people from the homeland. I made a quip in the press conference where I said, you know, people have asked me why I didn't do more of an Irish theme. And I said, well, I want to enjoy the dinner as well. I got a little shit from back home, them for that. That was.

[Brandon]

That's funny.

[Rory McIlroy]

So they were coming at me pretty hard for that at the start of the week. But, no, I mean, I think. Look, I think everyone. I think everyone enjoyed the dinner. I tried to do. I tried to do enough dishes that would, like, please everyone.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

And I'm a big wine guy. I collect wine, and I have done for, like, the last 10 years. So the wine selection was something that was pretty important to me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hell, yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

And Augusta Nationals Wine Cellar is one of the best in the world. I think they have 20, 23,000 bottles down there, and it's all just the best vintages from.

[Jason Kelsey]

I didn't even know what to handle. Yeah, it's ridiculous. You learn something about this place every time.

[Rory McIlroy]

So, yeah, I had access to that. So that was. That was nice as well.

[Brandon]

Have you already started thinking about the next year's Champions dinner now?

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, I went pretty. I went pretty fancy this year. Like, it's always on the Tuesday night. So I was like, what, I could just do, like, a Taco Tuesday or something. Hey, I don't know. We'll see. I haven't thought about it too much, but, yeah, I felt like, you know, it's hot, right? The Champions dinner, the way it's set up, you're sitting beside Ben Crenshaw is like the unofficial MC of the night. And then on the other side of you is the chairman, Fred Ridley. And it's really nice. I mean, it's the spot you want to be in. You're the defending champion, you know, and it's a big sort of long table, like both sides, like a U shape. And at the bottom left corner, you've got Trevor Immelman and Adam Scott. And they just look like they're having the best Time. They are just having the night of their lives. And I said to Adam and Trevor that week, I said, you know, if I don't win this year. That's right. Just save me a seat time where you guys.

[Brandon]

And then want to be on that end.

[Rory McIlroy]

And then Adam texted me after. He's like, well, looks like another year that you gotta wait another year to sit with us. But it's an incredible night, and to be sitting in that room, it's a bit like. And Travis, you'll feel this this year. Whenever you're sitting at your wedding and you have all the people in a room from. It's amazing to have all these people in the same room from your childhood to people that you've like. It's just. You're just sitting there, and it's, like, surreal. It's, like, unbelievable. The only thing that I can compare it to is your wedding day because it's like all this collection of people in the same room. It's, like, wild.

[Jason Kelsey]

I can't wait.

[Rory McIlroy]

As a golfer, it's the privilege of a lifetime.

[Jason Kelsey]

You got to give me your wine choice, though. What are we doing? Our favorite kind of wine for a celebration. Where are we going?

[Rory McIlroy]

France. Bordeaux.

[Jason Kelsey]

Bordeaux.

[Brandon]

Bordeaux, yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

Bordeaux. That's my go to.

[Jason Kelsey]

On it. Deal.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yep. There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

Simple.

[Brandon]

All right. I know you're more of a wine. I thought you'd be more of the Protestant whiskey up there in Northern Ireland. Is that Bushmills?

[Rory McIlroy]

All that stuff?

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

I'm not, like. I'm not a big liquor guy at all, but I was thinking of doing, like, a certain cocktail with the Bushmills in it just to try to a little bit of a nod back home. So I might try to do something like that next year just to appease all those people I pissed off.

[Brandon]

We're gonna talk a little, shrink the game, if that's all right.

[Rory McIlroy]

You shrink. Jason.

[Brandon]

Jason.

[Jason Kelsey]

Jason's been getting attacked very.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yes, you have. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Did he ruin the par three?

[Rory McIlroy]

No. You like? I thought you were very additive to the par three.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Rory McIlroy]

You were very additive.

[Brandon]

Thank you.

[Jason Kelsey]

I do.

[Brandon]

I appreciate. I mean, it's a part of me gets it because I feel like golf is growing more than ever in any sport. The sport is exploding right now, and with that growth, I think in any sport, naturally comes, like, it starts to change. People that have been around it for a long time are like, hey, I don't know that I like where it's going. And in a sport like golf that's so based in history, and tradition. I think that the shrink the game movement isn't that surprising that it is happening with golf. I think with golf at Augusta, too, in particular, it's like there's more tradition in history with that place than any other. So it's like the symbol of what golf has come from. But at the same time, I think the sport growing is good for it. At the end of the day, it's just, there's going to be this natural tug and pull of, like, how do we grow this thing but also celebrate and keep these, you know, these. What has been awesome and made golf special still a part of this change in having it progress and move forward all at the same time.

[Rory McIlroy]

Absolutely. Like, I, I, I agree. Like, I think it is like, I, the, one of the, one of the silver linings, at least for golf post Covid, has been this explosion in the game. And my thing is, like, I think when people say grow the game, they mean different things to me. To me, what the real thing of growing the game is, is growing the participation in the sport. Right. Getting more people to play the game. Like, I feel like, especially on the, in the professional world, when I, like the PGA Tour world, when people talk about growing the game, they're talking about growing, like, the fan base and growing, like, the people that watch the sport, which is a part of it. But I think growing the game is actually getting more people to play. Yeah, Like, I think that, you know, golf is a participation sport. Like, you want people to play. So, like, that to me, and doing if, if what ESPN did, for example, at the Masters, encourages people to go and play the game. I think that's amazing. Yeah, I think that's absolutely incredible. Like, and yes, Augusta is very traditional in its ways, and golf is very traditional, but I don't think any other golf organization pushes the envelope as much as Augusta does, because they had dude Perfect doing all sorts of stuff on Amen Corner a couple years ago, and they've embraced what you guys did with the par three. And they're always. Golf's demographic is old. How do we get it younger? And then if you get the young people in early, then they'll be in golf for the rest of their life. That's a really good thing. I'm not. I think there's certain values and traditions in golf that should stay because I think it teaches young people good lessons. Like, whether it be, like, fall. Like, look at Cam Young yesterday calling a penalty on himself at Giraffe. Like, that stuff is really important. But I think you can still uphold the values and the traditions of the game, but still appeal to, like, a younger demographic. I don't think those two are. I think you can do that both at the same time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Call me a cheater, Rory. I'm not telling them.

[Brandon]

I'm not.

[Jason Kelsey]

I need every fucking stroke I can get, dude. I might even move it a little bit onto a better lie. I might just go ahead and pull that thing off of the left now. Like this lie right here. I might just go ahead and move this a little.

[Rory McIlroy]

That's awesome.

[Brandon]

Yeah, we'll take that out.

[Jason Kelsey]

We'll take that.

[Rory McIlroy]

The people that are talking about shrink the game. It's like you look at what Augusta does and all the traditions and the values and then some of the things that they've tried to do to modernize and, you know, basically just try to fit in with the 21st century. It's jarring because it's such a. It's such a contrast. So I think there's some people that are just a little uneasy with that. But, like, if we're really trying to grow the game like, this is. This is a part of it, you need to try to lean into pop culture and what's relevant at this in this day and age, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Brandon]

Nice. So you're more of a grow the game guy, you would say?

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, I'm more of a grow the game guy. Like, the more people playing golf, the better.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

And however you do that, whether that's from topgolf or obviously you were. You guys were at TGL and trying to appeal to a younger demographic or, you know, some of the other initiatives that, like, you. Yeah, I, I, that's a, that's obvious. Yeah, that's obvious. But, but growing the game, but still upholding the traditions and values that that golf has. Again, I think you can do both.

[Brandon]

I love it. Well, one of the things that was my first time being at a par three that I loved, and we've seen all the clips, like, Poppy, obviously, like, that clip will be cemented in my brain to that putt. Shane Lowry's going crazy. I mean, that is such an awesome moment.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

That is the cool thing about that par three. Everybody's family, their wives, their significant others, their friends. Is that as unique to you guys as it appears to us in the sport of golf?

[Rory McIlroy]

It is. I think, like, you're basically getting ready for what is, you know, arguably the biggest tournament of the year, but you have this afternoon with your family on Wednesday that just Makes you forget about everything that's gonna happen for the next four days. You know, Poppy talks. You know, she's probably talking about the par three for next year already, right? It's just like, you know, you gotta. You know, she grows, so you gotta get her another boiler. Another white boiler set that fits, and you got it, like. And she's just so excited to go out there and spend time with her friends. It's incredible. It's like. It's the most amazing day for the family. And I think the nice thing for us is we're very close with the Lowrys and with the Fleetwoods, so to have all the kids spend that time together and make those memories as they grow up, I mean, they're gonna grow up, like, with that, you know, every year. And, you know, the focus this year was, will Frankie clear the water? And next year it'll be the same thing. Well, Frankie clear the water. Like, it's a.

[Brandon]

It's gonna happen. He was close.

[Rory McIlroy]

He was. He was. And so was Iris, she and Sheen's daughter. Iris was pretty close as well, so. But it's just. It is. It is amazing. It's. It's one of the coolest things about the Masters. And, like, if people don't like it, like, that's. You know, they have to look at themselves and look at their own lives because it's just. It's. It's families having fun. And honestly, it's a great image to portray to the rest of the world that. That golfers are human beings and they're enjoying time with their families, and it's. It's a really nice thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

Hell, yeah.

[Brandon]

Absolutely. I will say this. The one thing. So I. I went over to Dublin for the. To watch the first NFL game over there.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah. Was it the Steelers?

[Brandon]

And it was Steelers. And Vikings.

[Rory McIlroy]

And Vikings, Yeah.

[Brandon]

And the atmosphere was incredible. But it was my second time going over to Ireland. My wife is. Her whole family. They're McDevitts, so they have a bunch of.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, she's hitting Irish dances and everything.

[Brandon]

No doubt. But the golf culture there is incredible. And I was there, actually, with Bill Murray, and one of the things he pointed out was that in Ireland, a lot of the caddies actually belong in our members of the courses. And it just felt more like a communal vibe the entire time when I was out there. It was spectacular. Loved every second of the.

[Rory McIlroy]

There's no real, like, purely private golf courses. It's all, like a sort of blend of public and private. They're all, like, semi private. So you have. You have memberships, but then they're also open to the public at certain times of the day or certain tee times. And it's. It's a. It's a. It's a better way, I feel a better way to do it. And it's definitely more accessible because even you get to like, even. I don't know how much they're charging to get into Detroit national or like, here at the Bears Club. You're having to pay a million bucks to get, like, all this sort of stuff. It's like, like, it just is so foreign to me. And I think if America could get a little bit more of that where golf is like. I don't know if you've been down here. Have you seen the park in West Palm Beach? Do you know. Do you know about the park?

[Jason Kelsey]

No.

[Rory McIlroy]

It's like a pub. It's like a public golf facility. And it's been. It's amazing. It's like Gil Hans did it for free. And it's been a lot of these investors that put money into it. But honestly, if the park in West Palm beach could be replicated 50 times around the country, that would be an amazing way to grow the game. There's a par three course called the Lip 9 that opens until midnight.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, shit.

[Rory McIlroy]

It is the best communal. And it's purely for the community. So if you're. If you're like within like a 10 mile radius of. Of West Palm Beach, I think you get to play the course for like 60 bucks. But for people coming out of state, it's like 250.

[Brandon]

That's awesome.

[Rory McIlroy]

So it's like, purely for the local community. So, like, that's the. I think that's. It's hard, though, because you need wealthy people to, like, donate money, and that's the hard thing.

[Brandon]

It's hard to make your pencil out. We're dealing with actually in Philadelphia, and Tiger has been a big part of it. Cobb's Creek.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Which I think. Think that is strictly public. And maybe there is a prior. I'm not sure the parameters of that, but there's a whole, like, learning center that Tigers build, and it's very, like, community based.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, More. More of that stuff is like. And then I think Augusta did one called the Patch, which is just over, like, close by. Like, I think more of those sorts of places would be. Would be amazing.

[Brandon]

I actually played nine at the patch before one of the rounds this year down down to Gusta. That place is spectacular.

[Jason Kelsey]

You didn't break 50.

[Brandon]

I did great. I was. I was. I was having one of the rounds of my life. I didn't even. I thought I was going to pull hook this thing. Airport. There's a. There's a landing strip right there.

[Rory McIlroy]

Right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right.

[Brandon]

We're gonna get this last section. Let you enjoy your birthday. We gotta ask.

[Jason Kelsey]

We gotta ask. You don't have to answer. You tell us. Fuck off, too.

[Brandon]

We just talked about Poppy. I am also a girl, dad. I'm trying to get my daughter into golf. Do you have any advice?

[Rory McIlroy]

I. Look, I think. I don't know if I have advice. I just think it's. To me being a golfer, I don't want Poppy to associate golf with me, like, leaving and not spending time with her. So the more that I can get her on the golf course and playing and enjoying it, I think that's. But in terms of advice, like, just make it fun. I mean, whatever that means. Like, let them drive the golf cart or, you know, like, have it be where, okay, we go play golf and then we'll go get ice cream. Or we, you know, like to. Not the treat going to the golf course, then you get a reward, but just more that, like. Just that they have, like, a positive. I don't know, a positive experience and view of it. Like, I. But I will say that, you know, Poppy takes a lesson from. From the local pro here, and he can get her to, like, stand and concentrate and do stuff for 40 minutes. I literally can't get her to do something for five minutes on the putting green. So, like, there is. I. It is just something where, you know, kids just, you know, at some point don't want to listen to their parents and. But they'll. But they will listen to other people. Like, to me, I obviously want golf to be a part of Poppy's life, but, like, if she takes an interest and wants to play more, that's great. But if not, like, I just want her to have a positive view of golf, whatever that means.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And also instill those morals and everything where she is calling her own penalty. Unlike somebody like Travis Kelsey.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Jason Kelsey]

Our father, a very similar approach. He always wanted us to just, you know, if we picked up the sticks or if we picked up the sport, then the following year, he was like, I did my job. I. They. They're enjoying this. They're. They're pursuing it on their own. He was a little league baseball coach in the community. Like, league growing up for such a long time. And one of the coolest things I ever heard was like, dad, do you, like. Do you. Do you love winning? Like, what. What's making you do this? He's like, I just love it when I see the kids pick up the bat the next year or sign up for it again the next year because they had such a good time doing it when they were. They were playing this year. So I think it's such a cool thing to just try and, like, force these kids to enjoy themselves more than really lock in on, you know, making it a grind at such a young age.

[Rory McIlroy]

Absolutely. And even, like, for, like, if you're still, like, for me, playing competitively, if I do get myself in that little bit of a funk or it's starting to feel like a job, like, just reminding of. Reminding yourself. Yourself of why you started to play the game in the first place.

[Jason Kelsey]

There we go.

[Brandon]

We do have a swing that we'd like you to critique, if that's all right.

[Rory McIlroy]

I mightn't be as good as Max Homo, but. Well, let me. Let me.

[Brandon]

Max is giving me some tips. This is a different swing.

[Rory McIlroy]

Oh, look at this.

[Brandon]

This is my daughter, Wyatt. First time picking up a driver.

[Rory McIlroy]

Are they hunter boots?

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. She got some rain boots on.

[Brandon]

So perspective. We went to. I took her to the driving range. Normally, she'll just go putt, right? And I'm starting to hit. She's like, hey, can I hit a couple? So we go to the, like, the guy who runs this specific range and ask if he has a drive, like a kid's driver. Her. Sure enough, he has a pink driver. First time swinging the club. God's honest.

[Rory McIlroy]

Okay, here we go.

[Brandon]

Well, this is actually maybe 50 times, but first day. First day, dude.

[Rory McIlroy]

Pretty good. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Proud dad right here, dude. What do you think? She's got it right, Jason?

[Rory McIlroy]

Pretty good. I mean, I think the first thing is. The first thing that I did with Poppy was try to get her to grip the club properly. And it looks like she's got a pretty decent grip.

[Brandon]

So that was difficult because the first time she grabbed it, she had the left hand on the bottom. She's, like, got it reversed. Yeah. Which some guys are doing now. There's that one kid, one of the amateurs. You see that?

[Rory McIlroy]

Yes, I did. The guy in the little. The guy in the drive. Chip and putt.

[Brandon]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. That's what it was.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like, you look at, like, a Matt Fitzpatrick, he's left below right when he's chipping. There's a few guys doing that, but pretty Good. Like, I mean, some potential.

[Brandon]

I mean, I got it. I got it going. I gotta get the dryer. I'm gonna get the dryer out in the backyard so she can start chipping.

[Rory McIlroy]

Absolutely.

[Brandon]

That's it.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, yeah. Make sure it's in the backyard, because I. I broke one or two windows doing that in my mom and dad's house when I was a kid, so.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's all right. Jason deserves to get his. His windows broken from when he was a kid. Full circle moment. You've done the Devil Wears Prada sequel and the Happy Gilmore sequel. Are you kidding me? You're a movie star now, man.

[Rory McIlroy]

Well, I am not a movie star. If you watch me act, you will tell. I am not a movie star. That is not. But, yes, Travis, both of us. And Happy Gilmore 2, which was very cool. Sandler is, like, the coolest guy alive.

[Jason Kelsey]

Absolute legend.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

So the Devil Wears Prada thing was so random. I won the Players Championship last year, and they asked me afterwards, like, what did you do last night to prepare? I said, well, I had dinner and I got back to the room, and I watched Devil Wears Prada

[Jason Kelsey]

get in

[Rory McIlroy]

the Zone, not knowing. Exactly. And not knowing that the director, David Frankel, somehow got wind of it, and his son is actually a really, really good player trying to make it as a pro at the minute. Play college golf, I think, at Stanford.

[Brandon]

Nice.

[Rory McIlroy]

So the team reached out and said, look, Dave was wondering if you would want to do some sort of cameo. And I said to my wife, Erica, I'm like, yeah, what do you think? And she's like, yeah, absolutely.

[Brandon]

You gotta fucking do it.

[Rory McIlroy]

And then I text Mike said, do you think Erica could be in it, too? And they're like, sure, bring her along. I was like, this is. So we spent the day in New York and did it, and it was. It was an unbelievable experience. But, yeah, like, I. Again, I have a day job, and that is. I am. It's cool to be able to do these things, and it's a cool experience being on a movie set, but I am not cut out for that. It is those guys. It's long days, and it's a grind. It's a grind.

[Brandon]

Have you ever tried out the Happy Gilmore swing? Have you ever tried to perfect that?

[Rory McIlroy]

I haven't tried to perfect it. I've tried it. I think we all did. Like, any kid that grew up, like, when the first movie came out, for sure. But, yeah, no, it's an inferno. Like, I mean, back in the day, like, Sandler was so good at it, dude.

[Brandon]

Right?

[Rory McIlroy]

Like, he's really good at it. I mean, he's. He can. It's. But no, I. Yeah, I'm not. I like. I like, like routine and structure and like anything that's like a little bit out of my. Out of my zone.

[Brandon]

I'm.

[Rory McIlroy]

I'm not great with.

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah, well, you. I mean, legendarily one of the furthest drivers on Tour. Like, what is your average drive on tour right now?

[Rory McIlroy]

I'd say I averaged like 3. I don't know, 325, 330. Probably average like 320 in the air.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, nice soft land. Nice.

[Rory McIlroy]

I've worked on it. I would say, like pre Covid. Like, I. I bring it back to. So pre Covid, I was probably like, I was probably carrying the ball like 305 ish, so I'm probably like 15 yards longer in the air. But to me, the big turning point was after Covid, when we all came back out to play. Bryson had put on like £40 and he was hitting the ball so far. And then he went to Wingfoot, and He won the U.S. open at Wingfoot. Playing in a way that I never thought could win a US Open, you know, completely just, you know, wasn't really. Wasn't caring about hitting fairways, but just hit it as far as possible. We'll figure it out of the rough. Yeah. And it just made me rethink a little bit. Be like. And I. I probably started to chase the distance a little too much, but then I sort of have found a bit of a happy medium where, you know, I've done some good work in the gym and, you know, I'm certainly faster than I once was. And yeah, I got to a point where I can swing it with speed, but not at the, like, not. Not having my swing deteriorate and getting into bad habits. So. Yeah, but it's. It's. The game has changed. Like. And I would say. I'd say, like, not to blow my own horn, but I'd say myself and Dustin Johnson, back in, like 2011, 2012, we sort of changed. We. Yeah, we sort of changed the way the game was played for a little bit, because if you look before that and like Tiger had his success, there was a lot of like, like, conservative strategies. Irons off tees, fairway woods off tees. And then when DJ and I came out, we just were like, aggressive driver everywhere. And then I think Bryson almost took it to another level again, so. And then you have to, you know, like, you guys know, like, in Any. Any profession or anything you do, you're always trying to look for ways to get better. And you're looking at your competitors, you're looking at other guys and like, okay, what do they do that I can't do? Or what can. So you're always just trying to figure out ways to do it a little bit better.

[Brandon]

No, it is. Especially in a day and age where there's so many analytics. Like, to your point, like, a lot of the analytics support. Just get as close to the hole with your next shot as possible. Right?

[Rory McIlroy]

Absolutely.

[Brandon]

Par five. Just go for it on your second shot and just get up and down. If you, if you're off by a little bit, count, especially if you're the type of players that are on the PGA Tour, you try and just get a rescue shot in there. But it is interesting. In football, it's the same thing. Like, these analytics get pushed in a way that eventually they're being pushed so much that you're doing it at a level that's counterproductive.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

So it's like you still have to be smart within that exact parameter as well. It's the same thing, you know, that happens in our sport. Like, everybody sees these big plays down the field. It's like, hey, we should just be striking for big plays. And it's like, hey, now everybody's playing these soft prevent defenses. You're not taking what's underneath. And it's.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Once the analytic is no longer the way to win. Sorry. No, I know.

[Rory McIlroy]

I, I. Absolutely. Well, it has to. It's very. It depends on the situation.

[Brandon]

Right, sure.

[Rory McIlroy]

Like, it's not like if you've got a, I don't know, a third, third and three, you're not gonna, like, that's not what you're gonna do. You're not gonna go for the long ball over the top. And you're like, it's.

[Brandon]

But you know that they don't. You aren't going to do it until

[Rory McIlroy]

you have Travis catching it down the field. I would like. Yeah, it is very. It's situational, and you have to. Because the analytics and the stats can't. They can't cover everything and they can't tell you, like, in this scenario or that scenario, it's like sometimes you got to go with your gut instinct and sort of throw the numbers out the window at some point. But they are. They're a good. They're a good guide. They're certainly a good guide, but I don't think we should in anything. I don't Think we should rely on them because we're all athletes and we all got here not because of the analytics of the stats. Yeah, they might have helped in some ways, but because of ability and intuition and trusting yourself. There's all of that as well.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you have a Mount Rushmore? Of golf courses.

[Rory McIlroy]

Ooh. Of golf courses.

[Jason Kelsey]

What's your top four?

[Rory McIlroy]

Was that four?

[Brandon]

Yes. Yeah. Sorry.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I was about to say.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, I should. I should probably know that we've never

[Jason Kelsey]

asked that to somebody not from America. That's so good.

[Rory McIlroy]

Nice.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

Okay. I would say. Oh, it's okay. I would say I'll go four different places. I'll go Kingston Heath in Australia.

[Brandon]

Okay.

[Rory McIlroy]

I would go.

[Brandon]

Take notes.

[Rory McIlroy]

Royal county down in Northern Ireland.

[Jason Kelsey]

County Down.

[Brandon]

Royal House Down.

[Rory McIlroy]

I would do Pine Valley on the east coast. And then I would do Cypress Point, Cyprus, west coast.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

That's so hard because, like, there's so. Like, there's. I'm leaving out so many great golf courses. It's hard to do for. But, like. Yeah, those would be the four off the top of my head.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll take those. You just took us around the world. This pretty dope. Got four that I haven't played. So I'm excited to try to play all four.

[Rory McIlroy]

No, but you. You played pebble beach this year.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's see when Rory's over here talking about one of the best courses. Let's see what this thing's heading for.

[Brandon]

I did.

[Jason Kelsey]

I played pebble, and I was just like. There was one point where you're. I think. I think you're on Pebbles. Like. Like one of the par threes down by the water on the front nine. And you're, like, looking over at Cyprus,

[Rory McIlroy]

and that's in spy glass. So.

[Jason Kelsey]

That was spy glass.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, that's. Yeah. Third. Third green of spy glass.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. And I'm just staring at it. I'm just like. Like, that place looks pretty fucking epic. Just like. And everyone raves about it, man.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah. Like, it's those sort of old traditional golf courses that have all the history and all the. Again, it's like it's going back to. That grew the game thing. I think there's. You know, that's the cool thing about golf and all these historical golf courses and all that stuff. But then, you know, that doesn't have to be mutually exclusive to then appealing to a different demographic as well. Right. I mean, I think we can enjoy both within the game. Jason. I was up. I was up in. I was up in Philly on Friday. Played Aeronomy.

[Brandon]

Oh, really? Getting ready for the championship?

[Rory McIlroy]

Getting ready for the pga.

[Voicemail Callers]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Yeah. What. What'd you think?

[Rory McIlroy]

It's good. It's looking really good. No one. There's no. Been no one on the course since October, I think. So, like, whoa. Not a divot in the fairway, not a pitch mark on the ground.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's gotta be beautiful.

[Rory McIlroy]

Really nice.

[Brandon]

It's in good shape. Do you have a favorite course in the Philly area that you've played?

[Rory McIlroy]

It's probably Marion. I don't. I don't have. I don't have much. Like, I've played most of them, but I would say Marion. I would you call Pine Valley in the Philly area?

[Brandon]

No, I would say. I mean, it's South Jersey. I mean, it's. It's close enough, but. Yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah. I heard Mike Trout's place is supposed to be really good.

[Brandon]

I just played it yesterday. Yeah, just.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thanks for the invite.

[Brandon]

Jason ate me alive. The wind was blowing. It's long. Yeah. I suck. A lot of reasons. What course has.

[Jason Kelsey]

Has it ate you alive?

[Brandon]

Good point. Good point. No, they did a fantastic job with that place.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, it looks really good.

[Brandon]

How many times will you play. Will that be the only time you'll play around? I mean, before the championship or the pga?

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah. So I go. I'll play Charlotte this week, and then I'll just go straight there. Yeah. So Charlotte's like. It's a good. You know, it's a. It's a. It's a big tournament, but it's a nice warm up to. To go into the pga, you know, especially after having three weeks off.

[Brandon]

I hear this a lot about the difference of, like, the turf between, like, the south, especially down in Florida, versus, like, the Northeast. How does that change your approach? Does it alter things that much?

[Jason Kelsey]

Always wanted to know this.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah. So around the greens is definitely different. So bermuda, you notice the. The most difference when you're chipping. Like, chipping and the rough. Like Bermuda grass is. Yeah. It's probably my least favorite grass to chip out of. So it's a good thing I live in Florida because I get a bit more practice. Yeah. Northeast, it's like three thicker blades. It's a little more predictable. I think if you're chipping out of the rough in the Northeast, that sort of bent grass or rye grass, it's a little more predictable, which is nice. And then, yeah, the turf is different. The club gets through the grass a bit easier. I'd say most players prefer to play off that sort of Turf.

[Brandon]

Is that more similar to what's over in the UK and Ireland, or is that even different up there?

[Rory McIlroy]

It's a little. Yeah. Because we play mostly Lynx courses. It's a little more. It's different. It's firmer turf, and it's. But it's very. I guess the grass would be quite. What's the word? Like, fine. So it's fescue grass. It's. It's fine and it's.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's Jason's favorite.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's different. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Yeah. I'm like a cow. I like. I love the fescue.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

This guy.

[Brandon]

So when did you get your agricultural

[Jason Kelsey]

disease or degree, dude? It's so crazy that you have to know, like, which grasses are, like, fine and which. Like, it's. Which way they grow and everything. Like, it's crazy. Or at least if you want to be a nerd about it, which I feel like all the best, like, athletes in the world are, like, they love their profession so much, they want to know it to that detail. You know what I mean?

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, I think you get. You gain it through experience, I don't think. I mean, did I want to know about different grasses and different greens? Like, no, but I. Right, but you have to. You have to learn. You have to learn how to, you know, the ball reacts on certain greens, and it just. And I think for me, like, you growing up, not from here, and then I guess the first couple of years of my career playing all over the world, so going to the Southern Hemisphere, playing in South Africa, playing in Australia, playing in Asia, you know, you just. You. You have to figure it out, you know, and you have to be adaptable. And I think that's been one of the. Probably one of the hallmarks of my career, and one of the big reasons for my consistency is I've learned how to play in a lot of different environments.

[Brandon]

Well, I gotta say, Roy, probably the most difficult environment I've ever played in was Northern Ireland at a club called ARD Glass. Have you played ARD Glass before?

[Rory McIlroy]

I have played ARD Glass, and Hourglass is the home course of my coach, Michael Bannon.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, really?

[Rory McIlroy]

Michael Bannon's been my coach since I was 7 years old. And that's his. That's his home course.

[Brandon]

It was stunning. The views, everything. And I got the true Irish links golf experience. I mean, yeah, I got all seasons. And in 18 holes, the front nine, double rain gloved up like freezing. Trying to hit this ball, it was. But I had a blast. There's something about being in those environments, like, when it's like that. That you kind of forget about trying to shoot your best round. All the stress gets put out of it. It's like, dude, I'm just gonna enjoy what's happening right now because this is absolutely crazy.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a part of it, right? We play an outdoor sport, and I think that is all a part of it. I would say, like, I grew up in that stuff, and, you know, I've lived in Florida for the last 14 years, so I probably got a little soft. Like, I. That used to be. You know, after school, I'd go out in that stuff, and. And then I. I think about, like.

[Brandon]

Like.

[Rory McIlroy]

Like nowadays, it's not. It's not a very nice day here, and it's like, maybe drizzling, and I'm like, I don't know if I want to go practice today.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let me ask you this. Have you ever. Are you a double rain glove guy when he gets too crazy or you just.

[Rory McIlroy]

I am. I think it looks terrible. I mean, I think it makes us look so soft, but it's just like. Yeah, it's. It. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Rory McIlroy]

You have to be able to hold up. You have to be able to hold on to the club, I think, as well. Like, the. The wetter those gloves get, like, the tackier they get. So it's like you don't have to worry about drying your grips or, like, it just. Yeah, it makes it a bit easier, but it does make us look incredibly soft.

[Brandon]

I embrace it. I embrace the softness. I have to. All right.

[Rory McIlroy]

Hey, look, you did what you did for a living for a long time, so no one can say you're soft.

[Brandon]

Good question, that. All right, fair enough. All right. Do you have a welcome to Professional Golf moment? We ask every kind of guest here the welcome to their career. Like, what was the moment where you're like, man, I'm really in the. On the PGA Tour.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah, it was probably even before that. I. It's a really. It's a random one. I played in the third round of the Singapore Open in 2008 with Ernie Ells.

[Brandon]

Ernie the Big Easy.

[Rory McIlroy]

Ernie the Big Easy, who ended up becoming a great friend of ours. But I played with him, and it was my first full year on tour. I was doing pretty well. I was trying to get into the top 50 in the world, so I would qualify for all the majors the next year. And I'm paired with Ernie, and we tee off the first hole at Sentosa Golf Club. And this is really. I don't know why this sticks out so much, but I hit a three wood off the tee and he hit a driver. And I got up there and I was like 10 yards past him with my three wood as he was a driver. And I was like, okay, here we go. I was like, holy, this is. And that's all it took. I was like, I belong. I just did my three wood past Ernie driver. I belong.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's so badass.

[Rory McIlroy]

That was like a big. You know, Ernie was. He's obviously a great player. Four major championships and you know, you know, one of the best players of that generation. And it was just sort of like. And I think I. I ended up beating them that day by a few shots. And that was like a. That was like a big. It's like a big moment for me.

[Brandon]

That's crazy.

[Rory McIlroy]

Yeah. 18. 18 years ago.

[Jason Kelsey]

Holding it down for the big guys, swinging the sticks, man. God, I wish I could have that tempo, dude. Appreciate. Appreciate the time. Appreciate the stories, man. Happy birthday again. Thank you. Good luck up in. Up in Philly and we're first over in Charlotte and then up in Philly, man, you know, we'll be watching. Always rooting for you, brother.

[Rory McIlroy]

Appreciate it. Thanks for having me on, guys. It's been awesome.

[Brandon]

All right, thank you to Roy McRoy, the back to back Masters champion. Good luck this week at the truest. And that conversation was brought to you by sleep number once again. And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Kylie, kelsey and Rory McElroy. Reminder, there are still tickets available for our New Heights live show in LA on June 15. Check it out in the description. Make sure to subscribe to the New Heights channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Kelsey]

Once again, New Heights of Wonder show brought to you by Adobe Acrobat. Follow Sean all social media at New Heights show with 1s. Thanks to the New Heights production team. You guys are always making us look way better and be way more organized than we ever have been in our life. But thank you to the 92 percenters also for tuning in. Hopefully you guys enjoyed it. And happy Mother's Day to all those mothers out there. Enjoy the weekend, guys.

[Kylie]

We didn't address that woman referring to it as skin children, though. I feel like we kind of glossed over that in the voicemail that I didn't love.

[Kelsey]

I didn't.

[Kylie]

I didn't love. I was with her until she said that and I wanted a more.

[Kelsey]

I didn't want to go there.

[Brandon]

I all made a face.

[Kylie]

Everybody made a face when they heard it. We can all just move on. But I did hear it. You heard it?

[Brandon]

I didn't hear it.

[Jason Kelsey]

I didn't even understand what that woman was talking about.

[Kylie]

Didn't love it. I don't like that phrase. I don't think we need to. I think I'm with her until she used that. And we can stop that phrase right now.

[Kelsey]

That's fair.

[Brandon]

I'm just real confused on what skin children means.

[Rory McIlroy]

She called her pets her fur children.

[Brandon]

I saw the fur children. I saw, I heard. I remember hearing the fur children. She called her pets her fur children.

[Rory McIlroy]

And she said because I don't have skin children, people don't consider me a mother.

[Kylie]

Don't like that.

[Brandon]

Don't pigs have skin? Is there like one of the things that's like, very similar to like pigs at Great Point.