← New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce
Mahomes Bromance, Stumping Caitlin Clark, Hurts' Snaps, LeBron Gets Paid, "Edelnut" & MORE | Best Of
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Yeah, they sent over the first offer and I was like, all right, where do we sign? They're like, we could get up. We could go high. We can go high. Oh man, that's funny. As welcome back to new heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wondery show produced by Wave Sports Entertainment and brought to you by DraftKings Kings. That's right, the crown is yours. All righty. We've got an incredible best of episode for you guys today. We put together some of our favorite moments from the conversations with some of the best athletes we've had on the podcast. You'll hear from Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, Caitlyn Clark, Kronk, Shaq LeBron James, Matt Stafford and more. Remember, we'll be back with new episodes of New Heights just in time for the NFL season on Aug. 27. You won't want to miss it. Our guest is Super Bowl MVP Mr. Julian Edelman. Baby, what an intro. What an intro. Woke was like one of the best route runners I've ever seen. Like, the first couple years when I was with him, I was like, this dude's a monster. He was so small and so quick. Even on a press coverage, he could get like four steps in. He'd be doing his head. He could get guys to turn their hips and just. And get in, like, his. His release, he's came and his routes, they were sick. And, you know, honestly, it was a huge part of, you know, how I got to learn the position. You know, I came in playing quarterback, so, you know, so, like, I got to watch him and I got to take tidbits from Randy Moss, Joey Galloway, like, all these guys and even. What's Randy telling you? Just be bigger and faster than everybody and jump up and catch. Like. I just remember Randy how. Hey, Jules. Hey, Jules. He used to call me Edelnut. Hey, Edelna, get my hot tub about 103 and get my Gatorade. That's where we used to have the metal tubs. Yes. You know you have metal tubs and hot tubs. Yes. He never wanted to go on the regular hot tub. He had to have his own with the. He had to have this. It was like menthol rubbing alcohol in there. And he'd go, edelnut, go get my towel, my Gatorade. Make that hot tub about 103, 102. Don't fuck it up. This one time. What a legend. Yes, sir. This one time, Randy, it was like the day before Christmas and we had to work. We had a game on Christmas or something. And Randy was talking to his mom, and I just walked by. I was like, hey, Randy, tell Mama Moss I said, you know, merry Christmas. He goes alnut when I'm talking to my mother. Mom, you shut the up. I literally went like this. I looked at. And I fucking just. I walked away. Eye contact. I was so scared. I was a rookie. He's like, don't you talk to me when I'm talking to my mom. But he'd always love me up too, you know? Of course. Yeah, yeah. But, like, you could learn things from him, like how he tracked the ball like. Like in one on ones. He would sit and run, and it looked like he wasn't running and the ball would come, and we all know that the DBs play hands. Yeah, you throw your hands out there, DBs are going to try to come through. Yeah, he would just run, and the ball would come right there. He just booped and just pop his little hands out the last second, you know. So you could take things from anyone. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Especially as a route runner. Was Welker, like, did he help you out the route, running all this stuff, like. Or was it more just like watching him do it? Watching, you know, I love woke to death, you know, but he was kind of like the asshole older brother, you know? I mean, like, I was there to take his job, and he was there to that end up happening when he got right. I know what an asshole older brother is, man. That is. It's a tough position to be in as a younger brother. Like, I could be way more of an asshole. Oh, you thought I was talking about you. Did you actually take Jerry Rice's daughter to prom and try on the super bowl ring? Was that real? She took me to her prom, and, yes, I did. To wear those super bowl rings. That's awesome. Sorry, Jer. I used to go into his office all the time. He was never home. So I'd be over there playing with balls. I saw jerseys. It was crazy. Jerry Rice, bro. I was a Berry kid. He was a legend. I mean, the record setter himself. It was. It was so crazy. And they had such a cool house, man. I remember flashback right now. Last time I met him, dude came out yoked up six, packed up with his chain on. He had his, like, his dreads that are starting back here. He was old Jerry by then. Oakland Jerry. Oakland Jerry. He intimidated the out of me. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't having it, which I understand. I have a daughter. I have a daughter. I'm a father of1. Number 95, Chiefs defensive tackle Chris Stone Cold Jones. Where are we at here? If we're sticking to it? It's the combine. Nice combine, man. You had one of the most electric combine moments I think has ever. Has ever gone on national television, man. Yes. Let's just talk about it, you know? Yeah, let's talk about it. Big guy. How'd that 40 yard dance? I'll be honest with you, bro. I was. I was so big on being different from everyone. Everybody was wearing the long tights. I was like, you know what? I am not going out there and copying everybody. I'm aware of short tights. I didn't realize they was boxers, bro. I didn't realize they was Boxes, bro. I honest to God, you know, they put you in the trains when you stand in the combat. It's like these. The rooms are like little train cabins that I could barely see. So I'm just grabbing them. I'm like, I'm gonna put these on. I'm gonna run in these. Get out there. Everybody is looking crazy. I'm like, let's do it. Oh, my gosh. Well, it made you faster, man. It made you so fast. You tripped over your feet. Oh, my goodness. Tripped over that third leg. Tripped over. He just jumped out, man. That is so funny, man. I'm not gonna lie. We were dying laughing with, like, would you. First, the face you had when the camera came up to you. I believe you said it right there in quotes, like, my dick fell, bro. I. I think that's what you said, right. Exactly what I said. I didn't even believe it. I was running. Well, I'm looking at the 40, and all of a sudden, I feel it. I feel it touching my leg, and I'm like, oh. So I try to. I try to cuff it and take the dive, you know what I mean? Because I know little kids are watching and, oh, my God, put your dick away, Chris. I gotta say how blessed you are to even be able to describe it as though your dick fell out, because I. I don't even think I could describe that adjective for mine. I don't think it could fall anywhere. Oh, man. All right, we gotta get that some good, man. Oh, that's some good. Hey, man, what are you thinking about the kids, man? Put that away. That. I mean, that is it. That is crazy. Like, what would be going. I mean, I guess that is what's going through your head. You're like, oh, my gosh, there's kids watching. There's families here. I mean, that had to be quoted. Quoted to Sports Illustrated, 2017. My dick came out, I look down, and the hummer is out. The hummer, man. Stone cold. You're the greatest, man. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. We got the man, the myth. Mr. Rob gone kowski, baby. What was it like meeting Tom? Do you remember the first time you met him? Like, yeah, I guess so. I was in the training room getting my. My foot taped and my ankle's taped or whatever. And he comes up, he's like, hey, I'm Tom. I was like. I was like, no way. I was like, I gotta play it cool, too. I was like, I'm just gonna introduce myself. I'm not gonna be like, oh, big fan, or Anything. I was like, hey, I'm Rob, man. But it was just hilarious. Like, yeah, Tom. Like, I know you're Tom, dude. Like, I'm in the facility. It's not like I'm meeting you somewhere else either. Like, I'm in the football facility. And then what was funny is, like, a couple years later, new rookies came in and he still did it to new rookies. And I was just sitting there watching, like, their reaction, and they're like, they all get confused. You're like, he just introduced himself as Todd. That was a good scene to see. Yeah. That's how you know you're a next level superstar when you introduce yourself by your name and everybody's like, yeah, we. We know who you are, man. You don't got to say that anymore. Yeah. Is there. So I don't know what led to you guys having, like, such great chemistry. Is it. Was it just, you know, were you guys on the same wavelength? Was it practice? Was it all the above? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, definitely not the same wavelength. At first. I mean, at first I thought he was out of control, man. I was like, this dude. This dude crazy. Like. Like, I just never really. Yeah, I never seen anyone. In what way? Like, I, like, like a. Like, kind of. I was like, he's like a coach. Like, like, this isn't like my buddy, you know? Like, you're going into the NFL. Yeah. You're expecting it to be that. What's that movie with Jamie Foxx as a quarterback? Sunday. And he give it Sunday, baby, Sunday. Like, that's in my mind. That's what I was expecting. That's. That's what I was. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Like, that's how I lived my first couple years in the NFL too. Like, that's what I wanted. Like, the movies tricked you. Like, you think every time. So I'm like, this isn't anything. Like, any given Sunday. Like, I'm like, this guy. This guy's yelling at me. I mess up just a tad bit. And the dude's yelling at me like, get over there. Like a coach. He's yelling at me more. And. And then it took me a little bit, you know, to. To realize, like, what. Where it was coming from and. And what the love was for. And I kind of felt like he was more hard on me at first because I think he saw some talent in me, man. I think he saw the opportunity that I had that was presented in front of me. And every single day, man, after practice, he would make me stay he would make me and like two other rookies stay and he'd be like, we're getting on the same page. And he'd be throwing pass after pass right after round. I'm like, man, I just took first team, I took second team and I took that reps ain't no joke. And they keep everyone after the rookies and the like second year players. What's that called again? The mini camp. The rookie mini camp. Oh yeah, yeah, the rookie mini camp. No, no, no. After practice they bring, they bring over the guy like to the other side of the field. Like say it's joint training camp. And like we, yeah, we, that might be the, that might be the Patriot everywhere. It was like fundamentals or something. It was called like. Yeah, we call it, we call it developmental. Yeah, that's what we call that one or something. And I did all that too. And then he'd be like, no, you're staying after. And then boom. I'd be running 10 routes with him after the practice too. And then he would be calling me in the meetings. This is how I want you to run around this. I don't ever want you to go around the guy here like it's a flag route. He goes, get outside of the guy. When you run a corner, if you go inside, guess what, I'm never throwing you the ball. He just, he was just always telling me the place, you know, where he wanted to me to be. But there I had so much going on that I freaking, I freaking couldn't get it all down. Like I'm like, okay, I get, I get it, you want me there. But like I can't get there. Like I just, I'm thinking way too much when you're thinking you're losing already. And I'm just thinking like ties the feet up. But. And then after that it kind of clicked. He caught you up to speed? Yeah, he caught me up to speed. His speed was ridiculous when you, when I first got there. And then after a couple more practices, you know, going throughout the year, training camp, about halfway through my rookie season, everything started clicking. I was like, oh, all right. Like this is what he wants. This is where he wants me to be. This is how he wants me to run the route and everything. And then going into my second year, I was ready for it. I was like, oh shit. I got this game down to a science now. I got it down. And then we worked in the off season and then going in training camp just after practice every day, yo, let's go, let's get on the same page, you were getting. You were getting on him. Was there ever a day he forgot? You were like, hey, yo, Tom, we got to throw? Yeah. No, no, no. I never said that he forgot. I said, oh. I was like, oh. I was like, oh, thank you. His kids are here. Because then he would run over to his kids. I'm like, oh, thank you, you kids. Please welcome Mr. Matthew Stafford. Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. That's a hell of an intro. I need you in game. You played with two of the best D tackles in this decade plus of football. And Aaron Donald and Domin. Yeah. Who frightened you more as a quarterback? You know, spent more. I probably played more. I don't know. It might be kind of close. I was going to say I played more games against Aaron Donald than I did sue, but I played quite a few against sue there. Kind of at the end, I would say, having, you know, experience with both ads, it was a different deal because there was like, the get off was crazy. I mean, he just wrecked practices. Sue was that way too, in a lot of instances, and was a great player for us in Detroit. And then, you know, bounced around and had some unbelievable seasons at other places, too. But, yep, AD was. That was something different. Just watching him go about his job every single day. I remember, like, the third practice I was there in training camp. We have no pads on. We're in a quick game. I'm throwing a hitch to the field, and I smash my thumb on him on his helmet, and I'm like, yo, I just caught the ball. He's like, catch, throw, bang. And I'm like. And next thing you know, everybody had the Guardian caps on, you know, but it was. But he was. He was crazy in his ability. And I would say the respect that he got from offensive lines and other defense and other offenses was something I've never seen before. Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, we treated him differently than any other defensive tackle that we ever played. And. And sue was the re. I think sue was like, almost. He, like, wanted to kill somebody. Yeah. Where AD Wanted to kill somebody, too, but it was like a different level of intensity. I agree. AD Though. His, like, motor. It was every single snap, every single play. You could not take a playoff. He never took a playoff. He was running. I don't know how he had that kind of conditioning. It was to this day, ye. The combinedness of, like, his athleticism is, like, explosive and strength. Smart player. Like, I mean, he knew, like, you talk to him, like, I get in the, you know, cafeteria, and you sit down, you talk to him, and he's like, yeah, I knew if I wasn't doubled, if the center didn't come to me, it's run away. Yeah. Because the center comes to me every pass play. Yeah. And if a center comes to me, it's pass or it's run two. Yeah. Center goes away. Like, you're not. Not blocking me with two. So he knew it was run away, and then he's shooting a backside gap. I mean, like, he was just, like, could make decisions and go like that that quickly. It was. It was impressive to be around him and watch him work. I mean, the way he worked out. We had a. I'll never forget, he's crazy in the weight room, right? Like, the Rock came in and worked out with him one time, and there's fighting. Yeah. He's a maniac in the weight room. Right. And I'll never Forget, this was 21 or 22 maybe. Yeah. We had, like, a make a wish kid who had, like, a year before had been like, hey, I want to. My dream is to go, like, be with Aaron Donald for a day kind of thing. And thankfully, this kid at that point had kind of beaten the odds and had beaten the cancer that he had, I believe. And, like, was really on the mend. And it was really cool. Like, he came in and you're like, oh, man, this guy's, like, doing good, right? High school kid, like, bigger kid, like, loved to play football. And AD was like, cool, come work out with me, right? And I'm like. I'm walking by. I'm like, yo, what is about to go down? Yeah, right? I look over and, like, I'm over there doing, like, banded something, and like, 30 minutes in and AD's just ripping curls out and this and this. Next thing you know, this kid is puking in the trash can. Can you please, like, have a little couth, A little understanding? Like, you want to be AD chemo for months? Ad, can we just relax on the bicep curls for a little bit? It's like, how many do we do till we throw up, you know? Unbelievable. I was like, this guy has no. I mean, the motor just never stops, man. It was incredible. I remember it was my first time playing in LA against the Rams, and it was a preseason game, and I'm number. I'm number three, closest to the line. We're running all go Special. It's Cover 2, or at least I see too high, and I'm thinking I'm just right up the hash and I take off and I'm like, man, I'm just going to dig for my first, like, 5 to 10 yards. And by the time I got to the like, five yards downfield, I felt something throw me to the numbers. And I got up out of that play like, like little dazed. I'm like, what in the was that? And I watch it on film and it was AD coming from the backside B gap and just smoked me. Oh, I believe. Because there was a blitz from the other side and I was just like, what the. I had never felt like more of like. Like the lightest thing in the. Yeah. I had never moved that fast before, ever in my life by anybody. I remember we were. I was in Detroit. We're playing a against the Rams, and they were in St. Louis still at that point. Jim Bob was our coordinator. And, you know, I dropped back to pass late in the game. We need to play. And Aaron. I have two hands on the ball right like this. And Aaron just comes up from behind me and just rips both my biceps apart. The ball falls down the ground and I'm like. I'm looking at him and I'm like. I come over to the sideline. I'm like. I mean, I'm pissed. And I'm like. I don't know what I'm supposed to do there. He's like, you gotta find a way to hold onto it. I'm like, go fuck yourself, man. Like, you think I'm gonna be able to hold onto this? This is monster, Jim. He just went like this and like, kindly separated my arms. He's like, I'll take the ball. What do I do? Oh, is that what I was supposed to do? Got it. Thanks, man. That's how this works, dude. I was with Jim Bob. I'll never forget when he came up. We will probably cut this. Gotta tell it, though. Anyways, so I'm sitting there. We had just hired Nick Sirianni and Shane Steichen and Jim Bob was on the staff. I had never met Jim Bob. Oh, yeah. I didn't know about him in Detroit. Really? Yeah. He comes up and he says, hey, Jason, my name's Jim Bob Cooter. And I just, like. Laughs like, audibly, like, Like a giggle. Yeah. And I'm like, oh. Oh, that's real. My bad on that one. Awesome dude. He's a great dude. All time name all time. The Time magazine Athlete of the year, Ms. Caitlin Clark. Please welcome everyone. We're gonna try the segment. We've never done it. It's probably gonna be very short lived. It's called name a person. We're gonna go around the horn and each name an athlete from Iowa until we can't anymore. Oh, gosh. I feel like you're probably not gonna struggle. Can you name current players? No, no, they just have to be an. It has to be former players. Can they be current? No, they can be former. They have to be former. Have to be former kid. No. Current. No, they can be. They could be current. I'm going to try to do like NFL current players. See if I can do. You might beat us in that too. Travis has like the. Actually, we both really have the positions, so let's see how it happens. All right. All right, who's starting? I'll start George Kittle. I knew that was going to be the first person he was going to say. I'm going to say Sam Laporta just to take Travis's answers away from him before I'm gonna go Tyler Linderbaum on the rave. No. Nice, nice. I'm gonna go Claire Kittle. Tristan Wurfs. That's right. Solid answer. The Eagles, actually. Rookie Cooper De Jean from Iowa. Nice. TJ Hakasan. Ah, that's right. I always heard about him. What? He's on the Vikings, right? Yes, yes. He's finally back healthy, doing his thing. That's awesome. Back here. I'm gonna get a throwback. Throwback. Robert. His wife actually played basketball at Iowa too. There we go. Look at that. Yeah, they actually came to quite a few of our games last couple of years. Great people. Cool people. Oh, gosh. Okay. Let's see. Hmm. This is tough. We stumped her. We stumped her. I'm thinking about NFL. She's still thinking of NFL. She can go all day. I'm gonna go Geno Stone. I think he. I think he's on the Bengals now. I'm pretty sure he had to pick six this past week. Ooh. All right, all right. I'll take you forward. I'll take. All right, We. We respect Gino. I'm gonna go a little Chiefs tight end. When I first got to Kansas City. Tony Moyaki, my dog, my shy town brother. Shout out to Teemo, man. I'm gonna go. Another former teammate, Julian Vanderbilt. E. Julian Vanderbilt. Did anybody say Dallas Clark? No. The legend. I was holding on to that one. No gloves. No gloves. The man. I'll stay in the tight end world over there. Noah fan. That's right. I think. Yes. Yep. Eight, seven. Over there in Seattle. All right, all right. I'm going. I'm gonna go Marshall yonder. I'm pulling up the the old schools. I'm gonna go Riley Moss on the Broncos. I'm going with the younger players in school with me. Well show my age and Jason's as well because he was the same recruiting class. He was also a Kansas City chief when I got to Kansas City. Ricky Stanzy, quarterback, Iowa. Oh, man. This might be right. This is where it ends. I'm pretty sure Matt Tobin I'm pretty sure Matt Tobin played for pretty sure. I'm next deposit then you lost if you're pretty sure you lost. All right, we'll end it there. I think we all did very respectfully. We did great. I'm impressed. That was fun. That was fun. I would. Who were coach with the eye. I knew it Tobe. All right, there we go. That was a fun one. We welcome number 15, Patrick Mahomes, everyone. Wow. That was. Let him break the juice, baby. You and Travis are known for having quite the bromance, Pat. I see you guys hanging out all the place. I gotta make it out there with Tahoe with you guys one year. But it's such a big bromance that even Brittany is jealous. How jealous she was of your guys relationship a few weeks ago. What were your honest first impressions of Travis and vice versa? What were. How did this bromance come together? Should I tell him the story? Dude, the story. That's your call. That's my call. It's a bad look on me. But so obviously I get here at the beginning of the beginning of the year and I'm still a rookie. So, you know, I'm just kind of going through the motion trying to figure out the best way to kind of fit in. And I think the first time that I thought I was like, me and Travis are gonna. We're gonna be. We're gonna be connected throughout this, my entire career was. You remember when we had the fourth preseason game, we used to have a little off time. You had like a little weekend you played on Thursday. Well, you know, coach. Coach Reed always would give you the, the walkthrough the day before the actual walkthrough. And me being a kid fresh out of college, I had a couple buddies that were rookies with me and they were like, let's, let's go out Saturday, man. Let's go out. We'll have the walk with. Just got back from St. Joe's we had a great preseason. So we go out and coach Rita told us the next day at like 8 o' clock. We're gonna have a 15 minute walkthrough. Done. That's all you have on Sunday. So I'm. I set eight alarms on my phone. I have them all. I go out with the rookies, of course I get out there and I see old Travis Kelsey out at the same spot as I'm at. And I'm like, hey, let's Trav. Trav. Like, Trav's like, come on, Gab. All y' all come to come over here to the table, do this. Let's have a great time. So I have a great night, get home, have all my alarms set. I made sure of that. Go to sleep, wake up. Not to an alarm. Wake up, look at the TV and I see 8:15 on my TV screen. On the resting thing. I didn't put my phone in the charger, so my phone died. And that's a rookie mistake too many times. And so drive to. So obviously drove to the facility extremely fast. Dangerous. You can't. You can't overlook that initial. That initial feeling of understanding that you're not going to make it there on time is the most like just drops. No, no, no, no, no. This isn't happening. Am I dreaming? And then immediately, immediately you just start telling yourself, how uselessly you stupid. How could you do this? You suck. You're idiot. You're so unaccountable, man. Get it together, man. And then to complete the story, I. I get there and I get to the facility and we're. They're already in the walkthrough, obviously already going. And I walk up to the door and like, how the chief's facility is built. The defense does it on the first side of the field and the offense is on the other side. And I was like, there is no chance. I'm walking through the defense late to get to the offense side of the water. Meanwhile, we're playing the super bowl champs, the. The Patriots, like the. On opening night that week. And so I sit in the locker room and I'm just sitting there shaking my head and they call me up to the office and I'm getting like the max fine, all this. I feel like an idiot. And I just. I thought it was so weird that the first question they asked me was, were you with Travis? And I was like, no, no, not at all. Why would you even ask that? And long story short, Travis was also late. He got there five minutes before me. So he, dude, I'm coming into the building like, man, I can't believe I screwed this up again, man. Because I'm not gonna say I'm notorious for late, but I screwed up a few times before and have been late. So I'm in my head about it. I'm like, man, Coach Reese is gonna kill me, man. I can't even look at this guy. In his eyes, I'm gonna. Should be looking down at the ground while he tells me I'm the worst teammate ever, man. And I walk into the building and they're like, were you with Pat last night? Where's Pat at? I was just like, my dog. I'm not alone. Let's go, man. At that point, and I knew we were teammates, man. I knew that guy was gonn. I will say, since then, though, I believe me and Travis have never been late again. So we have been on the straight narrow since then, so I won't be late again. I don't know about Travis. I can't. I don't think Coach Reed will stand me ever being late again. So I have to. I make sure I get my ass up and going early, man. I was like, one time in college, do you remember the college rule? And it's Cincinnati, if you were late for the Friday morning lift, they would make you, the whole team, do stadium steps. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Until the guy showed up and they would take somebody. Oh, my gosh. I woke up, same thing. Realized I was late in my street clothes, went straight into the stadium and just started doing stadiums. Let's go, man. Hour and a half. This is how bad your teammates can respect that, though. Your teammates were like, this guy cares. No, he's. He feels bad about it. He's doing it in Timberlands. Sweet. I was. I remember I used to. I used to do. What is it? I used to have, like a psychological, like, yeah, man. I mean, time is time, you know, back in. Back in college, like. Like, I wasn't really pressed about being late, so I would show up late or something like that, and I would get told I got to be at that five, five o' clock stadium step run, and I would fuck. I would be ready. Like, I would be. That was the only thing I was on time for. And just like Rocky Balboa, that shit just like, sprint the fuck out and just be like, I'm getting better today, baby. So they stopped making me run stadium steps and started making me push pennies on, like, the. The weight room floor, which is not a slippery surface. You know what I mean? Yeah. I had to push pennies with my finger. And I wasn't allowed to play pushes. No, I'VE never heard of penny pennies. Pennies against a weight room floor. And I had to do it in a figure eight. And I wasn't allowed to be on like my knees or like laying down. You're like bear crawling essentially. Yeah. To stand up. That sounds terrible. Dude. Couldn't get hyped for that one. So they, they beat me on the sick. Done in college was we. Have you done like the roles where you like, you have to get like this and this barrel roll across the field. Everybody's just throwing up the entire time. Terrible. Well, my first punishment, it was a team punishment for everybody was missing class that Kingsbury had us do that. But he played get your roll on was like, everybody get your roll on. He played it for like 30 minutes straight. Everybody's just rolling and throwing up. I'm like, this is just psychological warfare by Coach Kingsbury out here at Texas Tech. That's good stuff. When you hear that song to this day, do you have like Pavlov's Dog? Like, are you like, immediately, No, I. I hate it. I hate it immediately. All I think about is how sick I was that. That Wednesday morning at 4:30 before class, that boy stomach starts turning over. Man, that's good. The ever talented Mr. Jalen Hurts. What's up, Jalen? Thank you for joining us. Glad to be here, man. So he's gonna make fun of me right here. What? What do you mean? How you know it's coming. You made fun of yourself by doing this. Don't put it on me. Jason had a bad snap and gave you a forced fumble, man. He put it all on you last week, dog. First of all, have you ever had that happen? Have you ever had that happen where you're in shotgun and a center thinks you're understanding? No, no, that wasn't what happened. That. I don't. I don't think that's what happened. Not last week. Well, yeah. Oh, you just. We're on the same side. All right. I snapped it when he wasn't calling for the ball. I wasn't. I wasn't ready. I knew he was in shock. Same thing you're in. Shocking. Yeah. But, yeah, it's snapped it early. So he has a very unique way of snapping the ball. He. I mean, it's a very nice way of saying. Every quarterback that I've ever played with hates how I snap. Hey, is it getting to you quick, fast? It's up on you? Hey, you know, people always ask me why and why is your stance so low? I'm like, I Gotta be in an athletic position. Day one sports to catch the ball when it's coming, you know. But. Oh, yeah. I mean, because I remember my rookie year when I came in, like, I come in, I have a couple plays here and now throughout the game and it was like a couple, like I learned maybe a handful. It's like I go in there and fumble the snack because I just wasn't ready. Like, I wasn't in the position. You know what I'm saying? Some of them were bad snapshots, but yeah, I ain't tripping about it. He may call it. He do his thing, you know what I'm saying? He do a thing. Ain't tripping. I mean, really. I snap it fast and I snap it fast because I want my hand back. That's about it. I got stuff to do. You gotta use these. It's not 1940 where you can't use those hands. You can. You can actually put them on somebody. Yeah. Like, you know, my advantage of, like my skill set is quickness. Right. So I want to get up on the guy quick. I want to be able to get into proper leverage because I'm not going to muscle nobody. So step fast. All right. I have no complaint. The plus side is you got more time. Yeah. To make a decision if it's in the right spot. Well, I try. Like I said, I try and put myself, like, if I have to squat a little lower to catch it and tripping about it. He always asks me, like, how was that snap? Or if something. If there's like an INMA in the backfield or something like that. He's like, kind of like, I know he's. He's thinking about if you snapped it good or not. I'm like, hey, you good, baby? Might have been me. 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Because We Playing Spades is back and better than ever. That's right. So make sure you hit the subscribe button on YouTube. They gave us our own YouTube channel. It's we Playing Spades Bo bo bo bo Bo Spade. So call him Joe Shiesty. Some call him Joe Q All the dude beside his spade. Get some dogs from Boom. All right. You're also protoning. I am Prot. Taunting. Yeah. So am I. What? What. Why are you protoning? We're all grown adults that work really hard at what we do, and sometimes we like to show it. I'm not going to get my feelings hurt if somebody sacks me and taunts me like, you made a play I didn't like. Good for you. You're allowed to taunt. Like, have you ever given the taunting flag? I've never got taunting. Take flag. How many you got? At what level of football? He's throwing a flag. He's throwing. I mean, that's my favorite one. Throw the flag at the. You can get a little feisty out there. Just. Just a wee bit. Yeah. I have Trav gonna talk that anger management. And I talk entirely too much. I do. Actually. One of my favorite taunting penalties that I got. Yes, I do have favorite favorites. We were playing the Eagles my first time playing actually on the field against the Eagles in Kansas City. We did lose that game. Yes. That was the last game you guys lost that year. So we played them and sure enough, it's a low scoring game. We could have moved the ball too well on him. Smitty handed that thing off to Kareem Hunt. And it was me and Brandon Graham talking the entire bg talks major. He will. It was before I knew BG all like that. That. And then sure enough, he. He got. He got a little windy. You know, they. They, they. They come in like hockey subs on the defensive line. Yeah. It's some bullshit. And sure enough, he went off for a play. I hemmed up the D D lineman that came in for him on. On one back power, which if you guys don't believe I can block. I block. I was going to say you were blocking. I was. And I did my job and I felt so good that I thought I'd run over to the sideline and tell Brandon Graham and bring his ass back out here. Hey, what happened? Well, I got a flag for going to the sideline. Talking to the sideline. You can't do that, kids. And then Brandon Graham continued to throw me around for the rest of the game. Little pit bull. Do you. Who's. Who's the best shit talker that you played? You already talked about Fletcher Cox. You're welcome to the NFL BG's known for. Is there anybody else that really up there for you? Not really, no. No, That's Fair. What about you? You come. You played against Max Crosby, right? Yeah. He wasn't talking when we played him, though. Oh, Max, what are we doing? I'm pretty nice to the defensive line. Smart. So it's. People aren't really talking to me like that because I'll just be like, joe gets it. Nice play, man. I'm not trying to get hit like that. Smart guy. Smart guy. My. I would have to say biggest talkers. He's at the. He's on. You know, I played with him at the one at the top of my list. What? I got a story for him, too, but bg. Yeah. And then our guy, Trey Henderson, I just. Yeah. Holy shout out. Trey, man. Love it. What a bad man. Yeah. Yeah. Hell, yeah. But Travis gonna talk that we were. We were playing Denver one time Sunday night. And he comes in motion. This is mid cadence, wide 80. He comes in motion back and forth, and my DN's wearing goggles. And he. As he comes back across the guard, he looks at the D, he says, man, you got on goggles. Oh, this guy's got on goggles. Why did he. I'm like, man, he said, trav, Trav gonna talk. He gonna talk that talk, man. Y' all couldn't even see. Blind as a bat. You know him as the Big Shamrock, the Big Aristotle. Oh, yeah. The Superman, Shackus, the Diesel. We got him Simply Sha, AKA the Black Kelty brother. Let's go. You got a favorite dunk of all time? My favorite dunk of all time is two of them. And I actually just seen this dude the other day, Chris Dudley, and he left. I was like, are you trying to fight or you trying to give me a hug? He started nice. I took it as a sign of respect when you didn't double me. So I'm back, and I don't even know who's on me. Like, you know, they're switching. I'm like, I know this ain't Chris Tetley. So I take one little dribble to double. Still like him. I take. You know, he's trying to. I'm like, I take one dribble like the. I take two dribble. I even carry on the second I was like, oh, these not coming. Now I gotta take that. And then just drop step. And then boom. And, like, he was all on me. And I was like, off me. And. And then my second favorite dunk was game seven. Portland's kicking ass. They are kicking ass. So we come to the time on the fourth quarter, and Phil Jackson, him. I told you used to, like, mind. Play with your minds. All right, guys. Great year. They're kicking your ass. I'll see you next year. So now we're like, colby's pissed. He said it. I'm pissed he said. I'm like, man, that. Let's go on a little run. Legendary quote, man. Kobe's in Kobe mode. He's getting to the hole, and two people, three people, he don't care. He's know he has to score. And I'm telling him the whole time, hey, man, that lob is open. All right? All right. Amen. That lab is open. So we make kind of eye contact. I won't say he winked at me, but he looked at me and he crosses Scotty up at the top of the key. You know what? I'm not gonna even talk about the clip. Here it is right here. Yeah. Enter. Brandon. Don't you that up. Yeah, don't you fuck that up. Better be on your shit, Brandon. That was. But that was like the. The back door. Oop. The spin off him and they go, man. Iconic. No, no, that was the one where he crossed Scotty up and he got in the middle and he threw the up too high, and I had to go get it right there. Throw it up, Kobe. Throw it up. Yeah. Cole, good pass. Yes, sir. That one right there. That place is rocking. Oh, my God. Because I kept telling. I was like, yo, man, the lob is there. He was like, Because. Because listen, one thing, one thing about cold win. When Kobe gets in killer mode, don't talk to him like he's not trying to hit nothing. Like he knows he's in attack mode. He's gonna score first if anything. I'm like, yo, man, that lob is there. All right? Yo, code, the lob is there. All right? I said, lobby. Yeah. All right. And then, like, he. At the top of the kid. He gives me one of those things right there. And I'm like, huh? Huh? Is this it? And then. And then when he threw it up, the. Threw up too high. I had to go. I was like. And then, you know, as you see, I didn't catch it. Like, I just. I said to myself, I get my hands on. Just punch it through. Play it again, Brandon. Hurry up, Brandon. Play it one more time. Brandon. He's not ready. He's not ready. Come on, Brandon. Look right here. See, he backs it right there. And right there. He said, okay, boy. Yeah. See that hand? That's the second one. He threw it it. And I just slapped that. Yeah, I just slapped it through. That's electric. Please welcome Philadelphia Eagle Saquon Barkley. Here we go. I need that. I wish. I gotta have you two around. I need more intros like that, you know? Could an average person gain 1 yard on a rushing play in the NFL? Yeah, the average person. Look at Jets Jake right now. Jet shakes. Come on camera so we can see what you look like. James, come on. Come on up here. I feel like I gotta say yes now. I'm just dissing. I'm just dissing right now. Hard feelings here. He's a Jets guy himself as well. You play any ball back in your day? No. No. There we go. If you had to, like, run a 40 right now, like, under six seconds. No chance. No chance. So you're just. You're just. You're not helping the cause at all? No, not at all. I think about it. What's a play? 43. 20. What's it like? What's 20? 20 vision. That's a start. What's the play I got? I can't, like, actually, I got to say, there's a game I had against the New York jets at 13 carries in one rushing yard. Holy cow. And I would say I'm a pretty good running back. At least you got one. So you're probably. Probably not getting. Yep. Yeah. Average person, probably not getting one yard. And he's out. All right. Had to think that one through. I think about it sometimes because, like, if any. Like, if a guard and a tackle destroy a double team, like, anybody could probably get a yard, but you got to. But I've been part of the game where it's going to take them to get to the. And how fast everything changes. Right? His best. Oh, gosh. They wouldn't even know, like, if the average guy's Jets Jake. If it's outside zone. No shot. A shot. My bad. Jake, I love it. You're above average in my. In my heart. Above average person. Way above average person. That's what matters. We don't. We don't. Yeah. Who can squat more, you or Jalen? Hurts. Ooh. That's not even close. You think it's not even close. Jalen. Jalen's got you. No, they're. What? No. I'm like, I don't do that no more. I don't do that no more. But, like, when I'm in my. When I was, like, really in that mindset of squatting and, like, squat off, I'll put myself up there with a lot of people. I'm watching this clip of Saquon Squatting 585 right now. Was that in college? Nah, that was. No, this is the pro. And it was not even remotely difficult. I don't. I don't like. I don't max out anymore. Like stuff like that. Like that's like when you. Those days are one of those days where it's like. Like you like let's just push the needle a little bit. Like let's put something on you and try it. Yeah, just put a car. Jaylen strong for he probably the strongest quarterback in the NFL and he could squ. Ever Tebo squatting. Tebow's a bit pretty big dude. He had to be. He's a quarterback. T. Wow. Well, you know Jaylen power lifted when he quarterback. I'm a quarterback. Wow. What I played quarterback. Five shots. He played two. He moved a tight end his last. Yep. Bring it together. His last game was a tight end. That's all I'm saying. I threw a touchdown in the playoffs. All right now. All right now. After watching those two clips, that 585 squat was. Was damn impressive. Jaylen's pretty strong. He don't got my favorite college football player behind Cam Newton and Reggie Bush. I'm a better one squad like one rep max. Same. Yeah. I'm not like you burn out quick. You're more of like explosive. Put it. Put it on. Give me the number. Sit down and stand the up like. Yeah. Do you know. Do you know what the most you've ever squatted is? The most I probably ever put on my back was in the 600s. But it's college NFL. I never really got to do. We don't do one rep max. So only ran out of bar. You can't put the weights don't even fit on the bar at that point. You got the bands holding it on at that point. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's when you feel like you just looks like a U when you pull it off of the rack. That's right. You use the Valsalva technique. It's where Jason fill up with air. Fill up with air. You might be. And then listen I guess when you got quads is as good as Saquon. You don't need to belt. He's probably. Yeah. We had to use everything we can every technique that we possibly could have you ever flexed out was that man like you like and then get lightheaded and then all of a sudden you get real lightheaded and then just hit the and fall. Yeah. It's a thing on Tik Tok. People have all the time. I never. I haven't. I've got lightheaded. It's one of my favorite segments. 92 percenters, please welcome Northeast Ohio's finest, Mr. LeBron J. Let's go. Oh. Oh, my God. Yo, yo, Jason, that might. Yo, Jason, that might be the greatest introduction of all time. Well, you see all these shoes behind me, man? You already know I'm a sneaker head. I know, I know. Collected them over the years, man. Was it always Nike? I. You used to wear the Tmax at St. Vincent St. Mary. I seen, I think I seen you wear the. The old Iversons. Was it always Nike, Trav? No, it was not. It was not always Nike. It was Nike. When I was a young kid, when I was a young lad, obviously, you know, you, you know, I've been in love with Michael Jordan my whole life. So come on, you know, I saw him. Penny Hardaway, you know, Ken Griffey Jr. Bo Jackson. I watched all these unbelievable sports figures. So as a kid growing up, it was Nike. Once I got into the AAU program, started playing basketball, Adidas took us over, you know, and it became Adidas. It was Adidas, like from seventh, eighth grade to pretty much my junior senior year. They sponsored us every year. We played in all the Adidas tournaments. Big time tournament in Vegas and all over the United States of America. So it was, it was Adidas. And then my senior year, the process began. The recruitments, the. The Nikes came in. Adidas was still there. Reebok came in. Yeah. And one, you know, all these companies came in and, and I took on three pitches. I did Adidas pitch, I did a Reebok pitch, I did a Nike pitch. The best pitch that I got, where I thought I was going to end up was actually Reebok at one point. Reebok. I went to their meeting. I went to their meeting and I sat down across from their CEO and the guys that was running basketball at the time. I don't know if you guys remember this, but Reebok had the NFL as well. Yes. Yeah, that's what it was when I first got into the league. Yeah, they had the NFL as well. So they, you know, they knew, they knew my love for football as well. So they had all the NFL jerseys, all the Pro bowl looking jerseys. That was gonna be the next year. And I'm sitting across from the table. I'm a senior in high school. I actually have to have. I actually go to. I'm going back to class the next day. They flew me In. I'm going back to St. Vincent St. Mary the next day, my senior year. And the guy slides over a check to me at the end of the table. It's me and my mom and Maverick Carter at the end of the table. And he says, if. If you don't go talk to any other companies, this is yours. And I look at it. I look at it. $10 million. 10 million right there. As an 18 year old, I was still stealing change out of my dad's piggy bank to go get some candy. I was a high school senior. Man, they gave me a check for $10 million if I promise not to go see anybody else. I told him, I need a break. They stepped out. I need to fucking thank you. I can't believe that. I can't believe that. Right? I need a time out. My mom looked at it and me and my mom were living in an apartment and, you know, Section 8 housing in Akron. I'm going back. I don't have shit. Whatever. And my mom looked at me, she said, son, trust your gut. If they're offering you this, then who knows what the other companies may offer you. Okay, Mom. Yeah, Ma. She's composed. Yeah, she's super composed. She's like, we ain't got shit already. So it's not like, you know, it changes our life at this moment. Yes, maybe in the future. But I want you to trust your gut, that. And do what you think is right. That's awesome advice, man. So they came back in. Boom. I said, thank you. I would, you know, I would definitely like to continue our conversation, but I would be remiss if I did not take those other pitches from the other companies. I may have cried on the way home because I had to leave. Your question. Man, I hope I just made the right decision. Like, I could have bought the building and me and my mom, Mama's living in with that goddamn easily. I got a similar. My. My rookie year or my rookie contract. I'm coming up on redoing my rookie contract. And I decide potentially, I'm like, okay, I think I might do this myself. I might forego and just be my own agent, negotiate my own contract. And thankfully my agents were like, they talked me into like, no, no, no. We need to. You're going to want an agent. Trust me. They sent over the first offer and I was like, all right, where do we sign the. Like, no, no, no, no. We could get it. We could go high. We can go high. Oh, man, that's funny. As. Yeah, that first time you get Get a check like that thrown in front of you. Sorry. You never forget. You never never forget. Never seen that many zeros in your life. Never, never, never. Yes. Yes. Man, that's too funny. Have you seen this tweet from 2015? LeBron is 30. This won't go on for much longer than hit. Yes, I saw that tweet throughout my. All of my 30s. All of my 30s, and I laughed at it so hard. You just put it right there, like. Yeah. And you know what? I know what's funny. When I turned 40, the same guy said, LeBron turned 40. This won't go on much longer. That's gold, man. So good. So good. Look at that. That's so good. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. He's gonna be real upset when I turn 50. No doubt. No doubt. That shit was fucking classic, man. 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So we got the draft coming up, so we think we'd start with the draft. You obviously drafted both of us. And. And I don't know if I've ever told you this story, but I was in the Pro bowl one year and Jon Gruden was sitting there, I think you guys had done a production meeting. And he said, you know, I saw Andy before one of the games. And I said, so you drafted Jason and you drafted Travis. And he said your response was, I drafted Jason, I drafted Travis, and if there's any other Kelseys out there, I'll draft them too. So I'm asking you right now on the spot why my daughter is three years old. If you're still coaching in 18 years, can we get another Kelsey draft thing? Absolutely. Yeah, Absolutely. You got a Y. You got it, baby girl. Do you remember what led to me getting drafted? And do you remember. I think we all remember what led to him getting drafted, because all three of us were on the phone that day, I guess. What's the story behind mine's mine, and then we'll talk about Travis's. Yours was real easy. So you're a great player. A little bit undersized. Yeah. But had tremendous toughness, speed. You were smart and dirty tough. And so I, you know, it was. That was an easy decision. Yeah. And we needed a center. Yeah. And so you fit in. We just got rid of all that linebacker stuff in you, gave you the hard mud and cut you loose. Yeah. This guy I saw play against Temple. Yeah. And my son kept telling me this tight end is unbelievable. Kelsey's brother is, like, incredible. Incredible. I mean, you know, he's 265 pounds. He's a beast. And then I get scouting. I know that I get him. He's like 240. But that's okay. I remember this. I'm gonna bring back a memory for you. Game's over. They just destroyed temple. And I come over the locker room. You're there. Yeah. And he comes walk beep up and out and just giving me the business. Yeah. Like we're long lost friends. And I'm going, I'm deep down. I'm going, if I get my hands on that son of a buck, I am going to rip his heart. But I played along with it. Yeah. Cocky. Cocky. Jamie is cocky. Yeah. Just. But, but listen, I, I, I knew the roots. I knew the roots. Yeah. So for the first five years, it's been. It was a war. The last five years been unbelievable. You know, he traveled the country to 50 states, dates 50 girls. I knew this show would be. I knew this show would be easy. Yeah. This show would be easy. Yeah. This is nothing. We've named plagues after it. We've had our fun. That play has been a hell of a play for us, coach. No, it has. It has. Constant seven. Not that show, though. Not that show. We won't rerun that show. I don't think anybody's rerunning that. Do you think? So back to draft night. Does Travis get drafted if you don't. You know, if you hadn't drafted me and knew me already with the red flags that were kind of out there around him. Yeah. That would have been tough. If you were in the league. I still would have called you. Yeah. Yeah. I would have called you somewhere. I would have called you and, and checked on him just to make sure. Because I had heard the rumors about them. Yeah. What do you think now having known those rumors and now having coached him for 10 years? Oh, yeah. So I, like, I said for, like, the first five years, those rumors were pretty close. Yeah. For the next five years, they've been awesome. Yeah. I mean, he's you. I've watched him blossom in a leader, and I mean, he's always been a great player, but. Yeah. Tremendous leader, big heart. Teammates love him. You're not the only leader in the family. Yeah, I know that. No, Trav, show your personality, baby. That's right. That's one of the beautiful things that I think is behind your coaching philosophy is everybody gets to lead in their own way, and Trav does it his way. I Do it mine. I think Travis's personality, he always cares about his teammates, always wants to win. He's just a little bit young and trying to have a little bit too much fun. But that's. That's caught up. Never have too much. I mean, I told both of you guys, let your personality show. Yes. He threw the flag at the official. That was amazing. You picked it up and handed it to him. That's the difference, huh? That's an amazing clip. So I don't even know if we need to ask this, but who did you yell at most? The rookie year Mia. Travis. I was hoarse with him. Yeah. No horse left. It was every day, baby. But hey, listen, that's how you know that. That's how I knew that you saw something in me though. So you already know. I never. I never reacted in a bad way, did I? No, not yet. I was gonna say I was always ready to just rock and roll, baby. Yeah. Yeah. No, you were good with it. You already know. It's all you young guys out there. Don't be afraid to get yelled at. We gotta ask this. Was Travis very upset that he wasn't the first tight end drafted his draft year? Was he the first tight end on the Chiefs draft board that year? He actually was the first one. Really? Yeah. You're not making this up in hindsight, no. We. We were going to get him. That's who we were. That's who you wanted. That's who we wanted. Yeah. John Dorsey was a part of this. I mean you can double check with John, but it was a. That was a slam dunk up. Yeah. He was going to be a chief. I love that. I'm here. I'm fired up right now. Sorry. All right, let's talk some QBs. When did you know that I wasn't a QB? Well, there are a couple different times. If you want to take it, take it back to New York. There was a. Oh, hello. Just listen if and doubt run the ball. Are you to going him 80 yard. He wants. He. He has set the coaching point. You told him, which is. Do not, Travis, do not throw this ball. You're not making a read. It's either there or you're running. He wanted to see if he could beat my pump passing kick record. It was a good throw. It was a dart. Yeah. Then we come back and we've got this play. We called it Black Pearl and it was a beautiful thing. So wide and we. We get Tyreek to toss it to Kels and. And Patrick goes in the end zone. And although he almost stepped out of bounds and he should have been deeper, but one corner plays both of them. And your bro. I'm not going to talk to him. I'm not going to look, but your brother choked. Yeah. So he got. He got there and it was. Oh, man. And then. And then. Hold it. Not only that. So this is like in the first second quarter. It ruined him the rest of the game. I didn't even want to be. I didn't want to be there. Good thing Tyreek had 300 yards. Now this guy's got like the best arm ever. And this was like a five yard, not even a five yard. He could have run it in. It was all bad, man. It was all bad. But. But he came back. Third time's a charm, baby. That's right. Came back. Third time's a charm. In the playoffs. We needed survive in Philly. 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