New Schedules, New Popes and Fitz & Whit on Getting Ejected, Kelce House Parties and More | EP 139

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce – Episode 139 Summary

Release Date: May 14, 2025

In Episode 139 of New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce, titled "New Schedules, New Popes and Fitz & Whit on Getting Ejected, Kelce House Parties and More," hosts Jason and Travis Kelce delve into a myriad of engaging topics surrounding the NFL, personal anecdotes, and special guest insights. This detailed summary captures the essence of their lively discussion, featuring notable quotes and structured sections for clarity.

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1. NFL Season Kickoff and Schedule Highlights

Jason and Travis kick off the episode by discussing the much-anticipated NFL season schedule, focusing on key matchups and their implications for the teams involved.

• Eagles vs. Cowboys Opening Game

  The Philadelphia Eagles are set to open the 2025 season against the Dallas Cowboys in a high-stakes rivalry game at Lincoln Financial Field. Jason highlights the intensity of this matchup:

  Jason Kelsey [06:22]: "One of the oldest rivalries. I think that's true. It's definitely one of the most heated."

  Travis adds excitement about the game's potential impact:

  Travis Kelsey [07:02]: "I think it'll be a great game. A great game to see if, you know, Dallas is. Have they made some moves?"

• Chiefs vs. Chargers Season Opener in Brazil

  A significant rumor surfaces about the Kansas City Chiefs potentially opening their season against the Los Angeles Chargers in São Paulo, Brazil:

  Jason Kelsey [08:02]: "It's going to be a lot of noise around it. People are going to be talking all offseason leading up to it. It's going to be electric."

  The hosts express enthusiasm and skepticism about the international opener:

  Travis Kelsey [09:04]: "But it didn't come from the NFL. It doesn't look like it didn't. It came from Eric Fisher, Front Office Sports."

2. Historic Announcement: The First U.S. Pope

In a surprising turn, Jason shares groundbreaking news about the Vatican appointing the first-ever Pope from the United States:

Jason Kelsey [13:02]: "We have officially got the first ever United States of America Pope. Did you know that?"

Travis engages in a light-hearted discussion about the qualifications and background of the new Pope, highlighting his roots in Delaware County, Philadelphia.

Travis Kelsey [13:51]: "He's Delco's finest. Spent time in Delaware County. Philadelphia."

3. Tight End Summit: Celebrating the Best at the Position

The episode features an in-depth conversation about the annual Tight End Summit hosted in Nashville, Tennessee—a gathering aimed at bringing together the league's top tight ends for networking, skill development, and philanthropic efforts.

• Event Details and Purpose

  Travis Kelsey [15:58]: "It's a summit for the best position in football. The greatest position ever created."

Jason emphasizes the event's growth and its role in supporting local communities through partnerships with organizations like Rubicon Sports.

• Philanthropic Efforts

  Travis Kelsey [16:45]: "George Kittle. The entire Kittle family really helps out doing Rubicon sports. Shout out to Rubicon."

4. Kelce Brothers' Golf Trips and the Innovative Beer Caddy Contest

Jason and Travis share their experiences from their annual golf trips to Tahoe, California, highlighting fun initiatives like the "Garage Beer Caddy Contest."

• American Century Classic Participation

  Travis Kelsey [20:26]: "My first. My first year. I think I was down there, too."

• Garage Beer Caddy Contest Announcement

  Jason introduces a novel contest seeking participants to serve as beer caddies during their golf outings:

  Jason Kelsey [21:10]: "We thought not only do we have our bags that need to be caddied, we also need a beer caddy."

Travis humorously notes the spontaneity of the idea without prior approval:

Travis Kelsey [21:49]: "Nobody cleared any of this. This is hilarious."

5. Exclusive Interview: Ryan Fitzpatrick & Andrew Whitworth Share Their NFL Journeys

The heart of the episode features an exclusive interview with NFL veterans Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth, who discuss their extensive careers, memorable moments, and personal reflections.

• Career Highlights and Achievements

  Jason highlights their impressive combined experience:

  Jason Kelsey [29:04]: "They have combined for 33 seasons. Insane."

  Andrew and Ryan delve into their individual journeys, touching upon significant games, team dynamics, and personal growth within the league.

• Memorable On-Field Moments

  The guests recount pivotal moments, such as Andrew's legendary fight with John Henderson and Ryan's unexpected debut leading to a comeback victory.

  Andrew Whitworth [37:28]: "We start podcasting. How's the podcast going?"

  Ryan Fitzpatrick [37:09]: "You guys will have to have Nick on. You know, I was only wrong with protections once in my career."

• Insights on Team Dynamics and Leadership

  Discussions reveal the importance of teamwork, leadership, and adaptability in professional football.

  Andrew Whitworth [46:05]: "I started really realizing, like, okay, wait a minute. Every week I got one of these guys, like, when do I get the easy guys?"

• Balancing Personal Life and Professional Demands

  Ryan shares the challenges of moving frequently due to his career and its impact on his large family.

  Ryan Fitzpatrick [56:40]: "We have seven kids and seven different cities."

6. Fun Banter and Audience Engagement

Throughout the episode, Jason and Travis engage in light-hearted banter, sharing humorous stories and interacting dynamically with their guests. They also announce upcoming segments and encourage audience participation through contests and social media interactions.

• "We Gotta Ask" Segment

  A playful Q&A segment where guests answer quirky and personal questions, adding a comedic flair to the conversation.

  Travis Kelsey [69:27]: "All right, next question. Fitz, did I steal your bit? Taking my shirt off in Buffalo. Is it your bit or is this just a Buffalo bit?"

• Acknowledgments and Shout-Outs

  The hosts frequently acknowledge friends, sponsors, and loyal listeners, fostering a sense of community.

  Travis Kelsey [81:46]: "You did it, New York. I'm looking at Jason's tits right now on PGA Tour."

7. Closing Remarks and Future Episodes

As the episode concludes, Jason and Travis wrap up their discussions, reiterate their appreciation for guests and listeners, and preview upcoming content.

Travis Kelsey [80:43]: "And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thanks for tuning in."

They encourage listeners to subscribe, follow on social media, and join exclusive platforms like Wondery+ for additional content.

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Notable Quotes

• On the Significance of the Eagles vs. Cowboys Game

  "It's definitely one of the most heated." – Jason Kelsey [06:22]

• Regarding the Chiefs' Potential Brazil Opener

  "It's going to be electric." – Jason Kelsey [08:02]

• Announcing the First U.S. Pope

  "We have officially got the first ever United States of America Pope. Did you know that?" – Jason Kelsey [13:02]

• About the Tight End Summit's Purpose

  "It's a summit for the best position in football. The greatest position ever created." – Travis Kelsey [15:58]

• Introducing the Garage Beer Caddy Contest

  "We need somebody to carry beer for us. Help us drink it." – Jason Kelsey [21:19]

• Reflecting on Career-Defining Moments

  "This is my Claim to fame. After that moment, I became the captain." – Andrew Whitworth [37:28]

• On Balancing NFL Life and Family

  "We have seven kids and seven different cities." – Ryan Fitzpatrick [56:40]

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Conclusion

Episode 139 of New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce offers a rich tapestry of NFL insights, personal stories, and engaging discussions with legendary figures Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth. From analyzing the season's thrilling matchups to sharing heartfelt reflections on their careers and personal lives, Jason and Travis provide listeners with an entertaining and informative experience. This episode underscores the dynamic interplay between professional sports and personal narratives, all delivered with the Kelce brothers' signature humor and camaraderie.

Transcript

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Your snaps real fast?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

How do you know about my snaps?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I used to watch film and be like, holy, that is a rocket shot. Tell by watching tape when Jalen hurts. Had to switch his stance to this.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I know. I felt. Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Speaking of guards, I'm pretty sure I just ripped my jeans. Yeah, pretty sure I did.

[Travis Kelsey]

Welcome back to new heights, 92 percenters. How about a wonder A wonder show produced by Wave sports and entertainment and brought to you by Allstate. You're in good hands with Allstate. I'm Travis Kelsey.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is Jason.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jason Kelsey, my big brother out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cincinnati Bearcats. The fucking Cavs. God damn it. We're struggling right now. We're struggling. Down three one.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is DraftKings sponsoring this episode? Yeah. So I made a real big error.

[Travis Kelsey]

By doing what?

[Jason Kelsey]

So The Cavs are down.02, and I put some cash into my DraftKings app.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hammer it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I put money into the DraftKings app thinking I was gonna bet on the horses for the derby. And then I just had cash sitting around the DraftKings app. So of course I put that to work. And the cash are down.02. So I'm like, you know what? Good odds right now. Good odds. I'm gonna take him in this series.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Big disappointment last time.

[Travis Kelsey]

Down 41 and a half. Yeah, that was. That was a struggle right there. Yeah. We're back in Cleveland next. Next game, I think. All right, here we go. Subscribe on YouTube laundry plus wherever you get your podcast, 92 percenters and follow the show on all social media at new heights show with 1s. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up.

[Andrew Whitworth]

All righty.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got a great episode coming live from New York City. We're going to break down all we know about the NFL schedule, which right now currently is nothing. Spoiler alert. Because as of this taping. The schedule comes out tomorrow. We'll get more to that later.

[Travis Kelsey]

Sorry.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. We've got two incredible guests with us. You might know them from their podcast, Fitz and Wit, but they're coming on our podcast as Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth. That's right, two NFL legends. Walter Payton, man of the Year, and most teams played on in a career. They're both here today.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's. No way that's true.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, it's got to be close, at least. Started on how many teams, Brandon, do you know?

[Travis Kelsey]

I think 13.

[Jason Kelsey]

If it's 13, that's.

[Travis Kelsey]

It might be 15.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's a lucky number.

[Travis Kelsey]

It is a good number. Rams, Bengals. Bill.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay, we asked for a number, Brandon. That's it. Oh, I felt like more. Okay. Honestly, I thought it was more.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. He tricked me into saying 13.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm a tricky guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

He tricked me into saying.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, but before they get here, we're going to start as we always start, with a little bit of that new news. New news is brought to you by American Express. All right. The NFL schedule release is here. Well, not officially as of this recording. This is being recorded Monday. The schedule release is coming out tomorrow. We do know some details coming out, though. We will comment on those right now. Eagles will open the season against the much maligned Dallas Cowboys. That's right, boys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Eagles.

[Jason Kelsey]

Some would call it America's team, but it's been a while since America's been great if that's America's team. So the Eagles are going to kick off the Cowboys at home for the 2025 season. Jerry Jones going to be pretty pumped to see a banner come down in Philadelphia. Eagles Lincoln Financial Field as they commemorate Super Bowl 59. That's an electric game to start the NFL season off. One of the oldest rivalries. I think that's true. It's definitely one of the most heated.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, there's babies born saying fuck Dallas in Philadelphia.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think it'll be a great game. A great game to see if, you know, Dallas is. Have they made some moves?

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, they drafted the kid Tyler Booker early to fix. Their offensive line has been having issues as they've lost Tyron Smith and now.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is my guy Dak going to be back?

[Jason Kelsey]

I think so. Yeah. So they added Tyler Booker to kind of fix some of the offensive line issues they've been having. They had the best offensive. One of the best offensive lines in the NFL for about a decade when they. Travis Frederick, Zach Martin, Tyrone Smith.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Now all those guys have moved On Zach finally retired. Congratulations, Zach. It feels great. You're going to hate yourself a little bit, but you'll be good over it. Fuck off. So they drafted that kid. Hopefully he can pan out for him. Or hopefully not, if you're an Eagles fan. They also added George Pickens.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Picks from Steelers. They actually did make some moves, huh?

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, that's a big one to me because Pickens and CD Lamb. That should help out Dak. Those are two good. It's a combination right there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, it is. Yeah. They got a good tight end. They got obviously great defensive line. Great. When you have an opening game, you want it to be one that people can get excited for. And Eagles, Cowboys, that's like. You're going to like watching that on tv. You're going to feel the hatred and you're going to feel how intense. These NFL teams hate each other.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I think the NFL has done it, right?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Down 40.

[Jason Kelsey]

Great. I think the NFL, ever since they've gone to this, like, whoever wins the super bowl, opens the season up. Right. They've gone to that mold. The fact that the season's going to be kicked off with this big of a rivalry game, there's going to be a lot of noise around it. People are going to be talking all offseason leading up to it. It's going to be electric. Other big news, the other big rumor I should say is that the Chiefs are going to be opening their season against the Chargers in Brazil.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, this was. This was posted by Yahoo Sports.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is that official?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's kind of a yellow check mark.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yellow check marks. Good. Pretty official that. It's kind of official, but it's still X, so, you know, I mean, that's.

[Jason Kelsey]

How everybody gets news these days.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, you're right. But it didn't come from the NFL. It doesn't look like it didn't. It came from Eric Fisher, Front Office Sports. So Yahoo Sports posted this from Front Office Sports, which is even more official.

[Jason Kelsey]

Front office. That's an official position.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh. The NFL is closing in on an agreement. So it's not. It is just that it's a rumor.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, it says the Chargers will host the Chiefs in Sao Paulo in Brazil, week one.

[Travis Kelsey]

This doesn't come out till Wednesday. Yeah. Yeah, we're definitely playing in Brazil.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

I also heard those rumors.

[Jason Kelsey]

So I can skip this next question. Travis, do you know anything? All right. Should we take new heights overseas?

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, I'll be there. Not to do a.

[Jason Kelsey]

Not to do a podcast.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I'LL be there. Pretty busy in the fucking heat.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, we can still be over there. I wanted to go last year when Philly played there. By the way, the field was atrocious last year.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, the old field thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, it was noticeably. The commentators.

[Travis Kelsey]

Listen, the guys are slipping all over.

[Jason Kelsey]

They were slipping all over.

[Travis Kelsey]

Play with our shoulders, over our toes.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I mean, listen, you're. It's fair point. It was a bad field.

[Travis Kelsey]

They weren't slipping in.

[Jason Kelsey]

Just letting you know, where are your seven studs?

[Travis Kelsey]

These guys were not slipping in New Orleans.

[Jason Kelsey]

Could we. Yeah, no, they're firm footing.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I was slipping in New Orleans.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I might be able to hit both of these. It's pretty awesome. I don't know. Good question.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's just something about getting closer to the equator that I don't want to put on football uniform, doing that, especially in September. I've been in Jacksonville in September and that's fucking miserable. Is Sao Paulo. Is that like, by the water? Is it going to be Paulo?

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't believe. I think it's inland. I believe so.

[Travis Kelsey]

That feels better. I like that.

[Jason Kelsey]

You like that more.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'd rather it be dry than humid. I'm a sweaty. I like when I'm in.

[Jason Kelsey]

Definitely water around Sao Paulo, but I think it's rivers or something like that. Right. Brandon, can you do some geography for us?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. There are rivers. Google Map it.

[Jason Kelsey]

There's a source of water.

[Travis Kelsey]

I will say this. If it's human. I'm gonna be miserable. I'm gonna make. I mean, I'm prepared to be miserable.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're surrounded by the Amazon rainforest.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is a good point. Yeah. There' about the. Yeah, that whole thing they got down there. Yeah. No, I'm. If it's hot and humid and kind of what I'm expecting, I'm going to be miserable. But we're going to find a way to get a win, you know?

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay. Brazil test.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes.

[Jason Kelsey]

What language are they speaking? Brazil.

[Travis Kelsey]

Portuguese.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you know any Portuguese words?

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right. I went down there for the. That's Spanish. Fuck.

[Travis Kelsey]

What's Portuguese?

[Jason Kelsey]

It might be Portuguese, too. There's a lot of crossover. Not really entirely sure which words do and don't. I do know abdogado is thank you.

[Travis Kelsey]

What about and nova. Saltores.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think it's sevill. Ja is a beer, I believe.

[Travis Kelsey]

What?

[Jason Kelsey]

Nothing. So, yeah, it's gonna be humid.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm definitely gonna have to ask the equipment guys to have a couple jerseys. Definitely. Maybe three pairs of pants. Because I might go through A pair in warmups.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

And definitely one for each sweat, I'm assuming. Yes. Nowadays we can dry the gloves in between series, so I won't need too many of those. But definitely, probably. Maybe four cleats. I might just go through a pair every. Like, I'm going to be sweating so bad.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, you are. I would be ready for all of that. And switching out your socks. Those shoes will get sticky.

[Travis Kelsey]

I gotta make. Thank you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nothing worse than, like, soggy shoes. Step in the shoes. And sweats coming out of the.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like a sponge. Squeeze a sponge.

[Jason Kelsey]

I might. I haven't been to Sao Paulo since I went for the World Cup.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, you've been there. Tell me about it.

[Andrew Whitworth]

What's.

[Travis Kelsey]

What I got to look forward to?

[Jason Kelsey]

You know, I spent most of my time in Rio when I was down there. I was only in Sao Paulo for one game. The stadium was great. The game was fantastic. But as a city, I don't remember much of Sao Paulo. Kind of just felt like another major metropolitan area. Stadium was dope, although the grass last year again was terrible. So hopefully they fix that this year also. We also have the holiest of new news to switch gears here. We got a new pope. That's right. Since we last recorded, we have officially got the first ever United States of America Pope. Did you know that?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I've heard the news.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

So it's the finest I heard.

[Jason Kelsey]

Apparently it isn't that new of a news if we know it. He also. Do you know, he's Delco's finest. Spent time in Delaware County. Philadelphia.

[Travis Kelsey]

Okay. Now.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is there some like. Like how, like, you know, somebody would go to the NFL? Is there, like. I actually do think you go to, like, a really prestige high school, then you go to, like, Alabama or the sec, and then you go. Is there, like, something in Delaware county that's, like, the SEC of Catholicism?

[Jason Kelsey]

There is actually a very historic, notable seminary school there. I don't remember what it's called. I've driven past it. It's gorgeous. It's right next to Villanova's campus.

[Travis Kelsey]

Okay. It's probably called.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know if that's where he was or something. Huh. Pre Pope.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, this is the first Pope ever, so it's probably not called pre Pope, but there are a lot of diocese and clergy folk that come from that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Do you know, like, the qualifications for a pope?

[Jason Kelsey]

For a Pope?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Probably have to be a bishop. I don't. Is that how it works? I'm not. Neither of us are Catholics, so it's hard to know this.

[Travis Kelsey]

I want to know how a young lad from the streets of Chicago.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, you gotta be all the way over. Gotta be pretty devout. Obviously can't have sex. That's a big rule. It's a big one. It's one of the ones that I.

[Travis Kelsey]

Remember somebody getting out of Chicago without that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. I mean, you want to leave Chicago if you're not.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's how I'm honestly, they're probably like, he made it out of Chicago without any intercourse. This guy can do anything.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. This guy's convicted. This guy not getting distracted one bit.

[Travis Kelsey]

He is locked.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, this is locked in. He believes that.

[Travis Kelsey]

And in the 90s, when the Bulls were studs.

[Jason Kelsey]

What do you think he's gonna Michael Jordan? What are you talking about?

[Travis Kelsey]

The city was magical as electric. We went to ESPN Zone.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

Around those days. And it was.

[Jason Kelsey]

That was sick. That was sick. They also had a Disney quest. I believe in downtown.

[Travis Kelsey]

They did.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. That was fun.

[Travis Kelsey]

That was epic.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't remember getting any pussy, but it was a lot of great time.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was everywhere. I remember.

[Jason Kelsey]

All righty. Travis back at tight end. You.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hey.

[Jason Kelsey]

The fourth annual tight end you in Nashville, Tennessee.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. A summit for the best position in football. The greatest position ever created.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's kind of more the most of like ambiguous position ever created. It's like we get to do everything.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jason. It's our fourth year doing it in an old Nash. Vegas. Nashville, Tennessee.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

Vanderbilt's always been kind and letting us use their facilities and get just north of 80 tight ends throughout the league to come up, spread the spread the wisdom and just have a good old time.

[Jason Kelsey]

Is it only NFL tight ends?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Jason Kelsey]

No college students?

[Travis Kelsey]

Not that I know of. No.

[Jason Kelsey]

No kids? I mean, what do you guys not like kids?

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who does a football camp without fucking kids?

[Travis Kelsey]

Tight end, you.

[Jason Kelsey]

What do you guys talk about?

[Travis Kelsey]

My guy, Greg Olson.

[Jason Kelsey]

Tight ending.

[Travis Kelsey]

George Kittle. The Kittle. The entire Kittle family really helps out doing Rubicon sports. Shout out to Rubicon. Yeah, everybody's. We always raise funds for boys and girls Club.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, there's the kids.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. And we do end up bringing kids in there for a little camp.

[Jason Kelsey]

You just don't tell them anything about tight end.

[Travis Kelsey]

Correct.

[Jason Kelsey]

Job security.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's all fun at that age. It's all fun at that age.

[Jason Kelsey]

What is one thing you've learned at tight endu?

[Travis Kelsey]

One thing I've learned at tight endu.

[Jason Kelsey]

That you're willing to share. You've been there three times for a.

[Travis Kelsey]

Guy like Me, it's more just like, reassurance.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, hearing Gronk up there two years ago, talk about his mentality, how he. How he would get on the same page with Tom Brady and stuff like that, that was really valuable and stuck with me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. How did. How did you get on the same pages?

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, just one. A lot of work. There's a lot of. A lot of time spent, you know, finding your way out there to practice. I think Julian Edelman said it the best. He, like, he. When he couldn't go out there and practice, he was like, man, I just. I can't be at the top of my game for my. For the people around me. So it was like that in itself was like reassurance. And then hearing Gronk up there talking about that and talking about his mentality on the field and just trying to be the best teammate he possibly could for the guys around him, I think that really, I don't know, made sense in my head, and I connected it.

[Jason Kelsey]

Cool.

[Travis Kelsey]

You trying to come out to tighten you for a day.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I can't.

[Jason Kelsey]

I want to. It's in between.

[Travis Kelsey]

Run around, run around.

[Jason Kelsey]

On the old pitch, I would love.

[Travis Kelsey]

To run some routes to see if you. I mean, you're down. Wait, what Are you down right now? Dude, look at these. Look at this guy.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm about 270 right now.

[Travis Kelsey]

270. That's what I played last year. You can play tight end camp.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, my ankles and knees and back won't let me.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, that. That.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's getting bad.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's just your mind.

[Jason Kelsey]

I don't know if it's like, the moment you retire mentally, your body retires too, physically. Because I am just, like, strong. I'm trying to lift weight.

[Travis Kelsey]

When you were playing and you were saying the same thing.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. But now it's, like, actually an issue. Yeah. My ankle playing golf last week is inflamed. I can't squat now because my ankle hurts.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I can't bench because I spray my.

[Travis Kelsey]

Because you wear flip flops when you play golf.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, I was playing wearing the G Force. Shout out to G4. Free marketing. Good for you guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, Free marketing. And you're the people who wear your shoes. Their ankles hurt.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's a good point. I guess it's not the best. Sorry. G4.

[Travis Kelsey]

I got some good ones for you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, cool.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'll pub it even more. We got some fun events this year for not just tight ends in the NFL, for everybody around the Nashville area.

[Jason Kelsey]

You guys are doing stuff with kids. What the fuck?

[Travis Kelsey]

Not with kids. This is a little bit.

[Jason Kelsey]

Who are you doing it with then?

[Travis Kelsey]

Fans of the NFL. Yeah, that's even tight ends.

[Jason Kelsey]

Fans of tight ends or nobody.

[Travis Kelsey]

That was fucked up. I'm not going to do this because I like Creed. I like Creed, so I'm not even going to throw shade at you. You throw a ball through your legs. Jason through.

[Jason Kelsey]

Touch the ball every snap. Who's more important?

[Travis Kelsey]

You can barely do every snap.

[Jason Kelsey]

I gotta touch that ball. You could five yards in between legs without looking. And then block.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jason. How about we just find a way to get to the quarterback here? It's a big third down.

[Jason Kelsey]

All righty. We got the garage beer caddy contest. I don't know if you guys know this, but Travis and I golf in an event out in Tahoe, California, called the American Century Classic. Last year, my caddy was none other than our own intern, Brandon. Travis always has our hometown friend.

[Travis Kelsey]

Caddy finished last last year.

[Jason Kelsey]

Third. Third to last.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you really?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Don't shortchange me. Don't.

[Travis Kelsey]

My first. My first year. I think I was down there, too.

[Jason Kelsey]

Listen, I got Reddit working on fixing my golf swing, so look out. So Travis always has our good friend Pat Bacon as his caddy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Petty Bakes. Forest City Insurance. Cleveland's finest, baby.

[Jason Kelsey]

We did decide to do a fun every year. He's bringing great vibes. All right. But we are doing a little contest this year. We're doing a garage beer caddy contest. We thought not only do we have our bags that need to be caddied, we also need a beer caddy. I think we might be inventing it. I've never really heard of it, but I'm excited to unleash this. And we're looking for your help. We need somebody to caddy our beer for all three days of the America. Is it just one day? For however many days are stipulated by the terms of the contract? We need you to carry beer for us. Help us drink it.

[Travis Kelsey]

I kind of.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think it'd be cool if they. If they carried it like in the. Like the cups. Like the old stadium beer. Guys. You got the harness around your shoulders and you're carrying it like that? Yeah, not like a cooler. Just have a tray of beers. That'd be pretty dope.

[Travis Kelsey]

It would be pretty dope. Are we allowed to do this with garage beer? Have we talked to anybody over there?

[Jason Kelsey]

I'm assuming somebody cleared it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nobody cleared any of this. This is hilarious.

[Jason Kelsey]

We'll find out.

[Travis Kelsey]

They have their own sponsors. I think we need to. I think we need to check with American Century.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nobody said anything yet.

[Travis Kelsey]

This guy is.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why are you acting? Me?

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm just reading.

[Jason Kelsey]

What's on the thing. This is. There's a whole sign.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is your idea.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's not my idea. This is. Well, this is our idea. This is garage beer's idea. So we're all in on it.

[Travis Kelsey]

We. We had a beer caddy last year. Jonathan Thomas's son.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out to jt.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Travis Kelsey]

And his son.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, if he wants to. I mean, listen, if you want to apply, you can be the caddy again.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is crazy. I didn't. I thought this was just to be your caddy. No, I didn't know this was a beer caddy.

[Jason Kelsey]

No beer caddy. This is specifically just to carry beers. And if we can't do garage beers, we'll just do cups. They don't want to. I mean, if there's, like a sponsorship infringement, then you just. It's just liquid.

[Travis Kelsey]

Glad we thought about this.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I think it'll work.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can do it for Jason.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, so this is to be Jason's beer cat. He will also be playing with Travis. No affiliation.

[Travis Kelsey]

Everybody, American Century had nothing to do with. This is all Jason.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, that's fine. I'll take it. All right, Film club reminder. We will be back next week with our sandlot review. Little Smalls, Benny the Jet. What else am I missing besides a bunch of characters?

[Travis Kelsey]

Wendy Peppercorn, very overrated, by the way, right? No, she was so hot.

[Jason Kelsey]

I think she was just hot because she was like the only woman that was at maturity. They showed the entire freaking movie besides the mom. Well, when you're comparing her to the Catcher, yeah, of course she's going to be hot.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think you're going to watch it and be like, all right, she was hot.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, well, we'll find out. There will be a review. And we will be reviewing the hotness of Wendy Pepperborn. Now, we're going to judge you actress that played Wendy Peppercorn.

[Travis Kelsey]

I already know you're hot.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

That was rough.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was.

[Travis Kelsey]

But we got through it.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

Right? Like, you know, to check if you've got the right ingredients first before you Start a new recipe.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's a good one. Yeah. You got to make sure you know that. Like, you know, to check if you've got enough gas first. Yeah. Before heading out on a big road trip.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Ooh.

[Jason Kelsey]

What brought you there?

[Travis Kelsey]

That's a great question.

[Jason Kelsey]

Was it love?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Travis Kelsey]

Fair enough.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't leave home without it. For full terms and to learn more, visit americanexpress.com/withamics. One more thing before we get to the fits and wit episode. Thank you to our partner. DraftKings.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Shout out. DraftKings.

[Jason Kelsey]

Shout out to Draft.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out.

[Jason Kelsey]

DraftKings. That's right. That's right. We've got a lot of NBA games going on this week, so let's have our intern. Intern Brandon.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Hi.

[Jason Kelsey]

Instructor pick six on DraftKings. Pick six with his favorite picks for the weekend.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

They flew me out here just for this segment.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

All right, let's do this. Let's do this. We're in New York. Let's do Jalen Brunson Moore, 27 1/2 points.

[Jason Kelsey]

Love it. Love it. Villanova.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Oh, let's just have fun. Anthony Edwards Moore, 27 and a half points. Okay, those are my two.

[Jason Kelsey]

I believe in them. Both of these picks in this episode, you feel free to use them or do your own pick set.

[Andrew Whitworth]

By the time this episode comes out.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You'Ll know if I was wrong.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, we're doing our best. When you tape on Mondays, you gotta do some.

[Jason Kelsey]

We should do a Cleveland one.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

For Cleveland, we would do Evan Mobley more points Cause I think he might be the only cavalier starting and let's do. Let's do in the other series. I'll take Joker. I'll take Joker more points as all.

[Jason Kelsey]

Right, there we go.

[Travis Kelsey]

Those are my two for the that's.

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Narrator]

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[Jason Kelsey]

They have combined for 33 seasons. Insane. 33 seasons in the NFL. Together they have two first team all pros, four Pro Bowls or Walter Payton, man of the year, a Super bowl championship, and they hold the franchise record for five different NFL teams.

[Andrew Whitworth]

God damn.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Very impressive.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, one of one person, 92 percenters. Please welcome the host of the Fitz and Wit show, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Andrew Whitworth. Did I get that right?

[Travis Kelsey]

Is it fits and wins?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, some say fits, but I didn't know. I just wanted to make senators to say that.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well done. Thanks for joining me, guys. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, we got the NFL schedule. That is the brand new part that has come out. You guys are on the Black Friday game, is that right?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, Black Friday game. Now we wanted to ask. We are headed to Philadelphia.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're coming to Philly.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

We're coming to Philly. I wasn't asking for advice. I just want to stay at your house.

[Jason Kelsey]

Now.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I also want to bring my family.

[Jason Kelsey]

We got a whole. We got all room. How many is it?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Seven.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Should be eleven. Eleven kids between the two of us. If you don't mind.

[Jason Kelsey]

Sounds like a good time.

[Travis Kelsey]

The only thing with Fitz coming to the house, you just got to make sure the attic is locked.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

Because he will find his way into your attic and he will just start bringing things down.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I still wear that T shirt quite a bit now. I heard though, that that mural that somebody had given you is now gone.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is that not. Yeah, I didn't make it past that. That actually realized that. Okay, people can go in my attic and grab that. I need to get rid of that.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. I want to apologize for that. Yeah, I apologize for. It was our first Thursday night game ever.

[Travis Kelsey]

Epic.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

And it was the Chargers, I think, in the Chiefs. And we went over to Trav's house afterwards and had a grand old time travel.

[Jason Kelsey]

Had some bangers after the games.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Had some bangers.

[Andrew Whitworth]

There was not a lot of furniture in the house, but there was a lot of things that we got into in the end.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, T shirts. The basketball.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Basketball hoop in the living room.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Living room.

[Travis Kelsey]

We put some holes through the. Through the walls playing two on two. And that thing. Not this time when they were there, but. And other parties. Yeah, it can get rowdy.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It was a fun play.

[Travis Kelsey]

A little flip cup. Little. Yeah, it's. It was meant for after game parties.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's why there wasn't a lot of furniture. I don't want people sitting around. Yeah, you're getting active.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

You're here to fucking party or you're.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Not, you're shooting free.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

We knew. We knew when we walked in, he had a full time bartender. It wasn't just for that night. He was there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Everybody, do you remember the bartender's name?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I'm guessing Reggie or Harry.

[Jason Kelsey]

I didn't know which one.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Rare Ridge. Great guy.

[Jason Kelsey]

So Chicago at Philly. You guys are welcome to stay.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Okay. Thank you.

[Andrew Whitworth]

15 of us.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you guys like the Black Friday game? This is the second year they're doing that, right? Third.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Third year.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Third year.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I like Friday game.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, I think it's great. Yeah. Obviously. I mean, obviously we're used to Thursday nights, but Friday during the day kind of change up and. And get a little Thanksgiving action in whatever city we're in. And that's where we're, you know, looking forward to the meal that's going to be provided at the Kelsey house. So, yeah, room for 15, really easy.

[Jason Kelsey]

I got a turkey fryer.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Okay.

[Jason Kelsey]

Every year I leave the oil in it and I have to get another turkey fryer.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I do the same thing. I take a power. I try to. I take a power washer, like the next year and try to get everything out of there.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Instagram.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Butterball or whatever the company is, they're killing me.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's how you know the thing's working because you just eat the turkey and you just sit there and you just get lazy.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

You just get heavy and you're just. Thanksgiving. And I'm not about to go clean that fucking thing out right now. I'm going to do it another day. And then that other day just never comes.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, it doesn't.

[Andrew Whitworth]

It doesn't.

[Jason Kelsey]

Are you. You guys also have Christmas day you want to tell.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You want to break the news to Trav?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Well, here's the best news. We get Thanksgiving at 1, Kelsey. And we get Christmas.

[Jason Kelsey]

Christmas in Kansas City.

[Travis Kelsey]

Are you kidding me?

[Jason Kelsey]

No.

[Travis Kelsey]

You already know you can.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Okay. There's actually a bigger ask. This is a bigger ask because Christmas is.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. You know it.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Well, we don't got a store gift. Santa just needs to know where to go.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You're right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

I got. Yeah. I mean, we got chimneys.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Okay.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Andrew Whitworth]

We got Sandy school.

[Travis Kelsey]

We got chimneys. Yeah. And we got furniture now. So.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Do you really?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Did you make those decisions or how did that.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was an executive decision by myself for the betterment. Of everyone. Yes.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

I was like, I need some furniture.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So I. I don't know what time that game is at yet.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, I don't. We'll be the last game of the.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Day, but will we do Christmas morning together or prepping for the game? How has it been?

[Travis Kelsey]

Christmas breakfast.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, Christmas breakfast. Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

Last year, I think we. We were obviously in Pittsburgh, but it was a day game, so.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, I don't know how, but that was Netflix.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, good point.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, we're not.

[Andrew Whitworth]

We don't talk about that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Good point. So nice.

[Andrew Whitworth]

We're excited. A little Christmas Eve.

[Travis Kelsey]

We got the. Who do we play?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Broncos at Chiefs.

[Travis Kelsey]

Broncos.

[Andrew Whitworth]

God damn.

[Travis Kelsey]

They're getting good too.

[Jason Kelsey]

They are getting good.

[Travis Kelsey]

Banger. We beat them by block field goal last year. Down to the wire, and then they smoked us when we didn't play them last week of the season. Well, we don't count.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, you played them.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, we played them.

[Andrew Whitworth]

We don't count those.

[Jason Kelsey]

They beat us. You could have set the NFL record.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. Well, 17 games is different.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don't count it. All right, well, where do we want to start, guys? We start podcasting. How's the podcast going?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It's rough.

[Travis Kelsey]

No way, dude.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It's not great, guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

Great social clips.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

No. You know, we had a good first season. First season. Raspberry. First season wrapped. We did 25 episodes. Really? They put out a feel it or say, is this going to work or not?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Who are these people?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. But we do have season two coming up, and I think it worked. Yeah, it worked.

[Travis Kelsey]

Hell yeah.

[Andrew Whitworth]

We're back, baby.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But it'll be. It'll be somewhere around when the NFL season starts up.

[Jason Kelsey]

So you guys are completely done podcasting from now until the start of the season?

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what they said.

[Jason Kelsey]

Why have we not tried this model? This is.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't know.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I think you guys have proven yourselves that people want the content. They need the content. It's a little different. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, summer's off. Sounds pretty nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

So we were talking about how you could have played guard in another life before the show.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Who was talking about that?

[Travis Kelsey]

And I just want to kind of get into it. What do you think would have made you a good guard?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I think right now I've always had a big butt, so I feel like the squats is part of it.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a good base.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's good foundation. How's your ankle flexibility?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Pretty good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Pretty good?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, pretty good. I didn't want to insult you by saying, oh, I'd play, but I feel like It'd be more of a natural center, though.

[Jason Kelsey]

I was gonna say, what is your on the importance of you playing well? How important is having a good center? On a scale of 1 to 10.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I would say I'm gonna put it at about an eight.

[Travis Kelsey]

Really?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yes.

[Jason Kelsey]

I thought you were gonna lowball it.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

No, very important.

[Jason Kelsey]

Because was the center doing much work for you?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So it depended where I was. Right. And so I bumped around quite a bit. Now when I got to say New York and Nick Mangold was there, I wasn't coming in and being like, all right, Nick, this is my show.

[Jason Kelsey]

I am the captain now.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So in that sense, the center can take a lot off your plate. Right. And that being said, there's also times where, you know, there's some arguments in game of. You saw this, I saw that. But the blitz meetings and things throughout the week, if you've got a good center that's on it and he's training the other guys, that thing goes really smooth. So he takes a lot of work off of my plate for sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

I would love to follow up with that one. Were you ever wrong when those conversations got heated? Ooh, I like this ball.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You guys will have to have Nick on. You know, I was only wrong with protections once in my career.

[Travis Kelsey]

Once.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

And I slid the line, everybody one way and London Fletcher came the other way and fractured six of my ribs.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I would argue you were wrong twice, but.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So I was wrong twice. The first time I was wrong. Whit and I were teammates.

[Andrew Whitworth]

There you go. Thank you. I appreciate it. Now he's being honest. Now we can get to it.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

This had nothing to do with with a protection call on the field. It had to do with what happened after a play happened.

[Jason Kelsey]

Okay.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You guys remember Big John Henderson?

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my God.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Big bad John.

[Jason Kelsey]

Absolutely.

[Andrew Whitworth]

2008 Cincinnati Bengals are 0 and 8.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

We're 0 and 8 at the time.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Playing the Jacksonville Jaguars at home. And I was a young guard trying to prove myself.

[Jason Kelsey]

Fresh off of him getting slapped pre.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, fresh off the slap. You know how this goes. The Steel guys, Jack Johnson and TJ Hushmanzada decide during the TV timeout we're beating Jacksonville. They were pretty good that year to start talking trash to big bad John.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Andrew Whitworth]

He gets riled up. So we start getting in some full on swinging sessions.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Andrew Whitworth]

That leads to an all out brawl. Me and him going helmets ripped off. We're fighting across the field.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Trav, what am I supposed to do?

[Andrew Whitworth]

We both get ejected.

[Travis Kelsey]

Throw your hands.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Both get ejected. It's kind of my Claim to fame. After that moment, I became the captain. That's kind of like that. I became captain of Cincinnati Bengals from that moment on, basically because we were 0 and 8. I kind of called out the team on the Saturday walkthrough about being soft, and we were kind of acting like some bitches. And I'd never been anywhere where I accepted losing and so said this. Going the next day, get in this huge fight, get ejected out of the game. We win the game, Come in on Monday. Yeah, huge one.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

First win as a starter, too.

[Andrew Whitworth]

First win as a starter. Ryan Fitzpatrick. So there's a lot of, you know, congratulations going around. Fitz is happy, OC Stands up and he goes, the only thing I do want to talk about, we come in on Wednesday. We got our fines in from the fights. Oh, you know, back then, they did the Halo rule. If you're within the halo of the fight, you got fined.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Andrew Whitworth]

10 guys on offense got fined. Guys. There's only one guy on the offense.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

That didn't get signed on tape.

[Travis Kelsey]

Call yourself a guard.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Run into the sideline.

[Jason Kelsey]

Getting out of here. Run into the sideline, fight.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Everybody's throwing hands in the middle of the. He's running the sideline.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I told you before this started, I ran a 488. Remember that day? It was like a 4 6. John Henderson's bigger than he is.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, he's right.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

What am I gonna do? Seriously, what am I gonna do?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, my man got up out of there.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, it wasn't good.

[Andrew Whitworth]

So he's been wrong with protection twice.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

He'll never let me live that down.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Travis Kelsey]

Damn. That's a great story. Now there's no Halo rule, though. You would have better in there.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, for sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

Thank you.

[Andrew Whitworth]

For sure.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Well, and I have. Towards the end of my career, I had more money, right. So. All right, so, I mean, it's a lot of money, but, like, my rookie year, I made 230, so I didn't know if it was going to last how many years I would be there. So. More willing to write that check?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, for sure.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Makes sense. Let's talk small hands. Let's talk small hands. Yeah. There was a. There was a tweet that came out. Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco doing the exact same pose at the top of their drop with the ball right here. And they gotta do Kenny Piggy, Joe Flaco's hands. I mean, Joe Enormous.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Just because Joe has monster hands, don't go after Kenny.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Have you guys ever heard the term Dick beaters.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Joe's got some dick beaters.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, you can touch his palm around that.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I apologize.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It is insane.

[Jason Kelsey]

I've heard the term, though. What are you working with?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Good. So I. Well, I had to do that. I had to do this hand. Do you mind?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, okay.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So here's the thing. But I. So my thumb stretches. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I had to say this. So the way they measure the hand is from that pinky all the way to the end of that.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Pinky. So it's not as good as it once was, but I had the third biggest hand at the combine in 2005.

[Jason Kelsey]

Wow.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

No, in 2005.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, Justin.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Not just quarterbacks, like, of everybody. But the reason being is my thumb goes down. So, like, good.

[Jason Kelsey]

Dick beaters.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Thank you.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's got it.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Bless. Anyways.

[Travis Kelsey]

I also wanted to get. Get. Because he's wearing a glove. Kenny's wearing a glove. He's, like, notorious. He's been wearing it since college, his entire career. Peyton Manning, actually, I believe set the NFL record wearing a glove in 2015.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Have you like. Do you like wearing.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I'll say this. So Kurt Warner went to it, too, towards the end of his career. When I got to Buffalo, I dabbled.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Just to see.

[Jason Kelsey]

I could have sworn.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But I. So I had. I had to wear one on my left hand because I tore some ligaments in my thumb, but I couldn't do it on my right hand. I hated it. I absolutely rain. I hated it so much.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'll try a glove on my right hand for two years. Years. And I had to.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Just the feel. Well, did you ever eat or.

[Jason Kelsey]

No, I try to go full glove.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Really bad way.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Can we talk. Can we talk about your snaps real fast?

[Jason Kelsey]

How do you know about my snaps, Jason?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I mean, I used to watch. I used to watch film and be like, holy, that is a rocket shot.

[Jason Kelsey]

Tell by watching tape when I.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

When Jaylen Herz had to switch his stance to this.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I know. I felt.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I mean, you would fire that pig skin back there.

[Jason Kelsey]

I need that hand back. I need to. I need to start blocking this big boy.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Speaking of guards, I'm pretty sure I just ripped my jeans.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you really?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, pretty sure I did.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, well, let's just remain seated for the remainder of this.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Oh, who's talking? I can see her.

[Jason Kelsey]

So anyways, what is the. So are there measurements that, like. Do you. What do you take away from the hand measurement test? Do you think there's validity to that?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, Anything you care about in a quarterback, I'll say this.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Somebody like Josh, Josh Allen, like, he's built to play football in bad weather, right? Just body type, hand size, where he's from, like just kind of his overall attitude. So, yes, there's some validity in the hand size thing, for sure. But more of it is that the inability to stretch the thumb out?

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But yes, for sure. And then it really comes to fruition when you're in those bad weather games, when you play in a pit, Pittsburgh or even a Philly or Buffalo, and you're playing in the elements all the time. Now, if, you know, last year, Jared Goff, I have no idea what his hands are like, but like, they played in a dome so many times. So you're in those perfect conditions and it doesn't matter, but it seems like. And you guys could tell me because I've never been. But playoff football, the elements seem to.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You don't have a lot of experience.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I don't.

[Jason Kelsey]

Are there any measurements, though, when you look at it, where you're like, this is an immediate red flag with a quarterback. Like, if I look at a tackle and his arms are. If it says 32, wait, is that. I'm like, very skeptical on where they can play.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Your LSU guy, what were his arms?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Well, yeah, I think he was 32.

[Jason Kelsey]

Ish. Was it 32 and a half or.

[Andrew Whitworth]

32 somewhere in there?

[Jason Kelsey]

That half makes a big difference. As though every woman knows half to.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Three quarters is a big deal. I want to say he was somewhere in the 32 to 33 range.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

This is just.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, we're going off the rails shorts. We're talking about dick beaters. All right.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I will say that something that didn't matter as much, which was like 40 time and agility, that matters a whole lot more now, especially with the systems.

[Jason Kelsey]

That are out there.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

The systems, the way guys play, the way defenses are playing. I think that that matters quite a bit now more than it used to.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. What do you think about the arm length measurement for tackles?

[Andrew Whitworth]

So much goes into what is their style of play, like, how do they play and what their other attributes are. So if I think they have awesome feet, like a great anchor, those kind of things, I don't think it means as much to me because that just means they need to develop a toolbox that says, all right, I'm going to get long arms. I'm going to have to get hands off of me. I'm going to have to figure out how to get those hands off and use my feet to make some of.

[Jason Kelsey]

These blocks do like more aggressive short setting.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You look at some of these guys that love to jump, love to get on a guy like that. Length doesn't matter in that setting. Now do you have a really strong hand? So I always say this, like, regardless of what it is, if you know what you're good at and are you able to develop those things to be your strength, right? And so if you have shorter arms, then you've got to develop the trait to get on guys faster. You got to develop great hand strength so that when you do get your hands in there, they're never coming off, right? And so your ability to be able to kind of fine tune what it is you are will dictate that success level. So I say it's with O lineman. Like, we can get into measurements a lot of the times, but like, number one thing I want to know is, are they one of those people who are like, I'm a chase it guy. Like, fuck it, I'm a chase whatever it is that makes me good. I'm going to chase that shit every day. So, like, to me, Will Campbell, he's driven that way. Like, he is a. I'm going to figure out a way to be freaking good. We're from the same hometown. I've known him since he's a kid. He's grew up playing high school football and the elements of what New England's going to be like playing in, he's going to be one of those people almost. You think like Taylor Lawan when he's in Tennessee, like, he's going to be an attitude. I'm New England, I'm a patriot. Vrabel's gonna be the guy pushing his buttons. I think it's just the perfect, like, scenario for a guy like Will to go there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you hear about Braves running like one on one drills with him? Yeah, during his workouts. Yeah.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I saw the pictures I actually posted the other day and I was like, I love this because it's like that's what I dreamed of when he went there. I'm like, all right. Brables got his Taylor Lawan. Like, this kid's gonna come and he's gonna be like, hey, dude, don't worry about. Not that you're against the vets, but you come in, I want you to be nasty. I want you to to finish people. Like, I'm going to be in your ear all the time. Like you're going to come in and be the tone setter for our group. Because you may not come in as a young offensive lineman and take over the room from a leadership standpoint, but you can come in and be like, I'm going to bring some attitude to this group. And I tell the funny story about 08 and Cincinnati and all that, but that was what I was. I was a young kid trying to find my way and I was like, you know what I do like to do? I love to fight and get into it and tussle and I'm scared of nobody. So this will be my role. My first couple years when I get on the field, like, like I'm gonna bring it, we're gonna finish plays. I'm gonna get guys pissed off. Like two weeks after that Henderson game, I played Albert Haynesworth. That was the year's guys contract with the Tennessee Titans. He got pulled out of the game in the first quarter because we were fighting every play and Washburn was losing his mind because he wasn't rushing. He was just swinging with me.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Because I would just start every game like, hey, let's just get in a fight.

[Jason Kelsey]

Skin his head.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Right? And so he pulled him out of the game. So that was my thing as a young player and I think will be that kind of guy. He's going to come in with an average attitude and try to finish.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Guys, can I ask questions to witness? This is great. This is so, so later. Later. No, I'm just asking later in your career, were you like, like when you were at the Rams, were you like that or were you more of a finesse guy? If that.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You know what's funny? I don't know if I just looked old and miserable, but guys didn't really mess with me. So it was just.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You had the reputation.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I didn't. I had the reputation. You know, there's not a lot of. Walter Payton, man of years, have been ejected twice. You know, he kind of goes with.

[Jason Kelsey]

The award, symbolizes the sportsmanship of the game.

[Andrew Whitworth]

It's like, hey, listen, this guy's really nice, but maybe he's so nice because he's that crazy that I don't want to mess with him, you know, that was kind of it. I always say, my favorite story, we're playing in Washington against the commanders and it was Chase Young was a rookie and I'm in a TV timeout and I see him talking to Monte Sweat and he's like. Then he starts laughing. He's like, finally he goes, hey, hey, big fella. Like I'm looking at him. He goes, you really 39? I'm like, yes. He's like, holy. He was like, man, I can't believe I'm going against this dude who's just 39. And you gotta remember I always faced out. So I stared at whoever I played the whole time. I never turned into a huddle. So I would be staring at him the entire game. So he's like this 39 year old dude, looks old as shit, is just staring at me all game. Like, I'm gonna find a way to talk to him. He's like, are you actually 39, man? Hilarious. Yes.

[Jason Kelsey]

He's never looked in the huddle? Nope. Time out. Is this a rule or this was just an Andrew Whitford.

[Andrew Whitworth]

What I've always did.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

The only other guy I had like that. You remember big Willie Colon?

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But Willie, towards the end of his career, he just didn't want to have to that extra step he had to take to turn around and get into the middle.

[Jason Kelsey]

He was always so simple.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

He was just trying to limit his footsteps up to the ball.

[Travis Kelsey]

I got a quick question. So you obviously spend most of your career in Cincinnati, St. Louis, or not St. Louis, Los Angeles Rams. Your training camps, I don't know where they were when you were there. It just came out that the Rams are going to Maui.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Oh, minicamp. Yeah, we were always there. They'd been talking because these new partnerships you see the teams having where they're going, you know, trying to get out of the US and develop all these partnerships across the world. Part of theirs is Australia and then obviously Hawaii and so on the way. And so I think this year was like a big emphasis. They want to move minicamp there. So I'd be pretty cool. Like, I mean, you always hated having to go to mandatory minicamp, but mandatory mini camp in Maui sounds kind of sweet. So I'm actually, I'm gonna go with them so I'll get a chance to go.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm gonna take this to the team, you know.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, just a great teammate.

[Travis Kelsey]

You guys need anybody to help out with bags?

[Jason Kelsey]

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[Andrew Whitworth]

If Matthew can figure out how to get on the golf course. I can help him get out there.

[Jason Kelsey]

Came on this trip. He hasn't been to practice one time.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Staffer and I'll just go play golf.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It's just like when we used to do the Pro bowl in Hawaii, right guys? Well, never.

[Jason Kelsey]

I never did it. I visited when Andrew and Travis were in it.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, that was epic.

[Jason Kelsey]

I got to hang out in the pool.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was the Best old Turtle Bay. Forgetting Sarah Marshall. Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Oh yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

What was it like going from Cincinnati's offense to the new Sean McVeigh style, like run play action heavy.

[Travis Kelsey]

It was beautiful.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I mean, living in a world with Hugh Jackson and Jay Gruden where it's like, you know, a lot of empty and a lot of stuff where you're just in drop back protection all the time to all of a sudden like, hey, we're going to run run play action only throw, you know, really in situations the team forces to. To drop back pass was absolutely beautiful. Not to mention like small thing being that I was 35 years old. So going from playing on turf every week as a home game to now I played in a division. When you think about that at that time it's like, yeah, San Francisco, Arizona and then la all grass and then Seattle's your only turf field, but it's a pretty nice turf. So really I go to a situation where I'm playing tons of grass games. Like I was like, dude, I feel totally different. It's warmer. Obviously that, that was crazy. A pretty epic move. I mean, playing west coast was pretty insane.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You don't like turf?

[Travis Kelsey]

I hate it, man.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You feel terrible. It's night and day. As soon as we move to sofa, like obviously sofa is amazing, but just the feel you have walking in on Monday compared to walking in off that grass on a Sunday, it's night and day.

[Travis Kelsey]

I can't practice, practice the week after I played turf.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You like turf?

[Jason Kelsey]

I loved it when I was young.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I didn't, I didn't never notice a difference.

[Travis Kelsey]

I never noticed it.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, I didn't really do that much running.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You did lead a team in rushing though.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I did, yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

How many yards do you have again?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Like 236 or something.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Big rushing attack.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's gotta be. That's gotta be NFL record.

[Andrew Whitworth]

What was Yalls record by chance?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You know, you said earlier we said Cincy, we started 08 that year. We started at least 07.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, we figure.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But. But that year, the last game of the year, we went to Foxborough.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Oh, this is the Tom Brady game.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

And we beat New England, which gave somebody home field advantage and a Super Bowl.

[Jason Kelsey]

You're welcome.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Is this Tom New England or is it.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I think that was the quarterback that. Yeah, I think that's who it was.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Oh yeah. Was he mad at you? Shake your hand and tell you.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I'm trying to think if he was still there when that. Yeah, that was his last Regular season game in Foxborough, guys. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yep.

[Andrew Whitworth]

That was the handshake.

[Travis Kelsey]

I remember it.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It's great.

[Travis Kelsey]

Kevin Harlan.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Kevin Harland, dual call there. He was calling our game and the game at the same time. It was crazy.

[Jason Kelsey]

You played in how many different systems? I know you play with nine different teams, basically, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

He didn't know that before this, by the way. Don't let him fucking lie to you. He did not know it was 19.

[Jason Kelsey]

We thought it was an hon. We thought was more.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Kelsey]

We were taking the over on it.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

No, it was nine.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I'm just, like, right now. We've listed. You should have been a guard. You played for, like, 20 teams. How do you feel about yourself today? You good, bud?

[Travis Kelsey]

I feel great. Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Long ago, I learned not to really care about what people say about me, so. You know, the thing is, though, I played on nine teams, but it wasn't like collecting three teams in a year. It was all like, I started on nine teams. It was like, I played first couple years, it was two years, two years, four years. And then legitimately, at the end of my career, it was like either one year or two year. Moving every year, every other year, which, I mean, as you have all the young kids and stuff, it's like, you think about my wife. We have seven kids and seven different cities. And so it's like the amount of moving that we did. And they came everywhere I went. And then we had to pick up and go, okay, school, sports, you know, regular life.

[Travis Kelsey]

Were they homeschooled? Were you homeschooling them, or. No, we were just making new friends.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Just making new friends. Everywhere they went. So, yeah, now my oldest is getting ready to go to college, guys.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, think about this. He told us this. I think talked about this on one of our first podcast episodes. His kids, but 17, 15, 13, 11, 9, 7, and 5.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Oh, no, you got it. They all turned the next year.

[Andrew Whitworth]

18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, and 6.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah. Is that crazy?

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, that's nuts.

[Andrew Whitworth]

So he read it off and I go, wait, said that again. One more time. You have what? What? 18, 17, 15, 13. I'm like, holy.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's a lot.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It's a lot of kids.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Our first year in Thursday football, he brought them all to Chicago. And I'm like, dude, let's get some dinners. Like, like, let's go. He's like, yeah, sure. Call the places that take tin tops. Oh, my God, that's right.

[Jason Kelsey]

So we're getting pizza.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah, exactly.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah. We eat fast food. It's like, oh, okay, got it.

[Jason Kelsey]

What was your favorite system to play in of all your stops?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So Chan Gailey, strangely enough, like, he. So he was a head coach in Buffalo for three years when I was there, and then when I got to New York, he was there. And then my second year in Miami, he was there. So I played with him for three different teams.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Kevin Patullo, who's now the coordinator in Philly, I had him two different places, and he is a Chan disciple. And he's obviously done a lot of different things now. He's got some Texas A and M stuff, and then obviously being with Sirianni for a while. But he'll have some wrinkles, you know, as you sit there and watch, I'll be like, okay, I recognize that play. I know that play. But Chan was always. Spread him out. A left tackle's dream, you know, empty. Spread them out, you know, spread the ball around. But I really liked him. And part of the thing for me was just like, he infused a lot of belief into me, and so that was why I liked him the best, for sure.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I think it's one of the coolest things. On Thursday nights before the game, you get those couple hours before the game. Like him playing nine different teams, all these coaches that he's been around. I mean, it's just constant guys coming up, like, oh, he was, you know, quality control when I was in this place, he was this. And it's just like you're listing off head coaches, OCs, DCs. He's been around them all.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Luke Steckle, baby.

[Andrew Whitworth]

I mean, it's crazy. You're sitting there like, dang, when were you with him? And he starts listening it off. Just the touch, you know, for playing nine different teams that he has across the league as well.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But you guys have seen it. It's funny when you have real young guys that are coaching, whether in Kansas City or Philly, and then they become head guys. And even, like, Jonathan Gannon, when I was in Tennessee, he was like the lowest of the low defense, defensive assistant.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But there are those guys that you peg and you go, okay, yeah, he's gonna. He's gonna be something eventually for sure.

[Jason Kelsey]

We actually. A guy we were with in college. I mean, how old was Jesse when he was at Cincinnati? Jesse Minner was the. I don't feel like University of Cincinnati.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't feel like Jesse's even getting older. He still fucking looks like. Yeah, he still looks like a younger.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Guy, but when I was at lsu, similar thing. Adam Gase and Freddy Kitchens were our gas when I got to lsu.

[Travis Kelsey]

You Freddie Kitch? Yeah. No, men was my. Was. He was holding up the cards when I was. How's the scout team? Qb.

[Jason Kelsey]

Wow.

[Travis Kelsey]

And tight end. Oh, scouts. I was running dual thing over there. Just doing. Just an athlete in it. I mean, just in the. Pissing off everybody on the defense. I didn't run the route on the card back then. Well, that's how I knew that.

[Jason Kelsey]

How would you feel about.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's when I figured out. I'm like, oh, they know this play. How am I gonna get open if they know I'm gonna run that route? I'm not gonna run that round.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I want to get open, but I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

I gotta show these coaches I got what it takes. I don't.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I don't think people give. I don't think people give Patrick enough credit because it's not easy. It's not easy as a quarterback. And you guys obviously have amazing chemistry, like some of the best chemistry in NFL history for him to know where you're going to be and anticipate. And it speaks a lot to probably the way you guys have worked in practice and over the years, obviously playing so much. But that is not an easy thing to do as a quarterback.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I'll try it out in practice and if I get. Either the ball doesn't come my way or.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And then I know not to do it again.

[Jason Kelsey]

We'll do that or.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, exactly. Or I'm. Yeah, I'm getting the ball right in, right on time. That's kind of how. And Pat will let me know or he'll let everybody on. This isn't just a me thing anymore. Everybody. If you're given specific route versus a certain coverage, you kind of get a little bit of freedom. And it's just. It's evolved over that. Have you ever just. Somebody just ran the wrong round? You're like, God damn it, he's open. And you threw it all the time.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Have you ever seen me play, Travis?

[Andrew Whitworth]

His eyes were closed.

[Travis Kelsey]

I did have.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So there was a guy, Stevie Johnson, if you remember that. Stevie was so sick. Yeah. And we just used to have the. I just used to give him the. The Y signal, which was. You. Do you. So then it was like, all right, he's out there buying.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, you do get the. Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Hitch slant. Like whatever he wanted to do. He was single, so it's easier to do when you're in a three by one and you're the guy on the.

[Travis Kelsey]

Single side Anything else?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. That being said, you know, he always got open, so it worked.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, you.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Hey, Trav, you're not the only tight end. Scored a touchdown here. Just in case.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, now. Wait, what?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Little jumbo tight end.

[Andrew Whitworth]

One for one, baby. All you can be is 100%.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Listen, you ever scored on your birthday?

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Andrew Whitworth]

All my birthday.

[Jason Kelsey]

Happy birthday.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's a huge. That's a huge indicator for defenses. You got to know tackles. If it's the jumbo tie. If it's his birthday.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Scout.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Even better for Bengals in Pittsburgh.

[Travis Kelsey]

Opening drive of the game in the bird.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Did you guys win that game?

[Travis Kelsey]

You had to have.

[Andrew Whitworth]

But the only. The only thing that is a cool stepper and we still haven't ever looked it up. But I was the only offensive touchdown in the game. I don't know how many times the left tackle has been the only offensive. It was the opening drive of the game. I think Carson Palmer threw. He threw me a touchdown, but he also unfortunately threw two to the Steelers.

[Jason Kelsey]

He was thrown to a lot of the wrong positions.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Listen, a lot of guys that weren't supposed to catch it were catching it in the game. You'll have to ask your buddy Ryan Clark about that one. Pretty sure he was supposed to be covering me. He was supposed to be. No, he ran up on the run.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's just turn it in. We'll take his height.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I'm lost.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Ryan. Sorry. Ryan. I gotta tell the truth.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Never had one. No.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But when there's something late in your career that you.

[Jason Kelsey]

Late in my career, they tried to give me like a gimme touchdown by having a tush push design where Juergens would come in and I'd take center. Like quarterback snap. Yeah, yeah. Gotta report. Gotta remember that.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But you. So you had it schemed bad my.

[Jason Kelsey]

Last year, the second half of the season. Because those plays are places like, hey, we're up 17 or whatever.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

At the end of the game, let's get Kelsey. Touchdown. It's like, yeah. No, I never got that.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You didn't? Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

We were getting our asses kicked, unfortunately. Whit, you played 15 plus years, is that correct?

[Andrew Whitworth]

16.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. So it's 15 plus. I don't know why you went with 15 plus.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Brandon, he's working something in. I understand.

[Jason Kelsey]

How did you know it was time to hang it up? What finally clicked where you're like, you know what?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Now that I'm 40, honestly, probably the amount of meetings I would like wake up in, in the sense of not sleeping, but like, just be on my phone and realize that everyone's, like, walking out of the room, and I'd be like, oh, fuck. I listen to, like, once practice today. Where are we going? But anyways, literally just. You get to that point where I was sitting in there, and I'm like, you know what? I am not actually enjoying being in the building. Like, I love the guys, but I'm like, the whole thing.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's the case. I should have retired, like, 10 years ago.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Then I became a skill player. That's really what happened. I became a skill player. You're used to the skill guys falling asleep in meetings and being on their phones and everything else, but I would just sit in the O library and just like. And like, Cromer or one of the O line, whoever the O line coach, tell me to be like, whit. Whit. And I've realized, like, oh, she's been saying my name. And like, yeah, what's up? Like, I have no idea what's been happening in here. And I realized, you know what, man? This is not a good look. Like, I'm kind of like, I'm checked out a little bit. I'm tired. Like, it felt like a grind every day to go into work. I loved the games. Like, I still, even when I retired, was like. I remember going in Sean's office, you know, a month after we'd won it, and being like, I think I'm Mike. I'm thinking about keep playing. And he's like, no. He's like, dude, as your friend, like, you've done everything you could have possibly accomplished, right? And, you know, he also won the super bowl two months ago. That's what I mean. He's like, two months ago, you knew you were done. Like, you. I'd already told him, like, this is it. He's like, you. You stick with your decision. Like, you're good. And I was like, all right. And then six months after that, when they were 3 and 9, he was like, why the didn't you keep playing?

[Jason Kelsey]

We need you. Please come back.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Because they had, like, you know, with the offensive line injuries and stuff, so it really wasn't about me as much as that, but it was interesting. Like, you know, I knew it. And then when we went into those playoffs, it actually made it even sweeter because I knew it was it, but I didn't tell anybody because I wanted to just soak it all in. And then things just started happening. And I'll never forget, you know, watching Cincinnati make the kick to win, and they're going to the super bowl, and I'm running out on the field to play the Niners in the NFC Championship. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, this is crazy.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Like, there's no way in hell if Cincinnati's going to Super Bowl, I'm going to the freaking Super Bowl. Yeah. So to end your career playing against the only other franchise you played for in a place that, you know, you obviously were a huge part of, I couldn't have ever dreamed that would be the case. So once that happened, I was like, this is it.

[Jason Kelsey]

This is the story beginning.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, this is it. And that's why I had kind of the epic moment with my kids there after the game to sit out on the field and it was like, it wasn't even a celebration almost. It was like a just piece of, man. This was the ride and it's over. It was like, sit down with them and like, man, this is about to be sick.

[Jason Kelsey]

Well, there's nothing like telling you how much you're missing. You leave and the team struggles the next year.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Is that how you.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Is that how you felt?

[Jason Kelsey]

For sure.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Week four, I was feeling great. Week four was a great year.

[Travis Kelsey]

What about you, Fitzy?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So I ended up my last year I was in Washington and I had a. So 17 years. Relatively healthy for 17 years. I broke my tibia, but other than that, didn't have a ton of injuries. I hurt my hip like 15 plays in to that game. And like, for me at that point, I could still be playing right now. I could have played forever as a backup and just kind of been and get thrown into a game but hurt my hip. Wasn't a great injury to have. And then it's like my kids are old enough now to where it's fun to be home and be more a part of that as well. And the Thursday night gig, like having the weekends with the kids and not having to miss all the stuff that I missed over all those years. Because, you know, my span we were talking about earlier is 6 to 18. So it's like the weird part about my kids is my 18 year old went to 10 different schools and my 6 year old maybe will be in the same school district his whole life, you know, which is a crazy thing. But. But it was time. It was time. Like, I feel like my kids deserved it for me to step away.

[Jason Kelsey]

It feels like you were very much celebrated in every stop you had. What was your favorite stop of the bunch? I feel like New York fans, Tampa.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It definitely feels like Buffalo.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's still Buffalo.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

But yeah, I Would say there weren't a whole lot of stops, especially towards the tail end of my career, that I didn't love, because we fully just dove in. We embraced the community. Like, everybody embraced us. I would say certainly Bill's mafia and Buffalo is probably where I align most, where I feel the most love. But I had. I love playing for Miami. I love playing for Tampa. I love one of the two years in New York. But there, yeah, some great fan bases and great people that we met loved Houston. Like, I'm gonna forget some. You know, like, we. We had some. We had some great time.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Tennessee.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

And you know what's funny is Tennessee, on paper, Nashville should have been the coolest spot, man. It just.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Man, it was the number.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. I wore number four. There wasn't real swaggy.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You were pretty square. You were pretty square body. That was the old number too, Trav.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It wasn't good.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You wouldn't have approved of the fashion statement. Good.

[Travis Kelsey]

As long as you got that beard rocking, man. You got the chest hair coming out, you're good.

[Jason Kelsey]

All right, here we go. Well, let's go to. We gotta ask.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, this is how we wrap up.

[Jason Kelsey]

You don't have to answer. We have to ask.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Okay.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's why it's called we gotta ask.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can tell us to off is what he's saying.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Oh, cool. Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I mean, you could have always done that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Or you can just answer the question. Whit, is it true that you used to eat five Taco bell soft tacos and five bean burritos before going on dates in college?

[Andrew Whitworth]

That is accurate statement. I didn't embarrass myself in front of my date of how much I like to eat because I was a big boy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Big man.

[Andrew Whitworth]

So I would run by Taco Bell. I would go through the drive through crush in the parking lot, like, go in, get some, smell good on, you know, like, go pick her up. You don't want to smell like beans. So then I pick her up and, like, eat a salad, like, at dinner, you know, like a salad.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, this guy really tastes terrible.

[Andrew Whitworth]

He's really on top of it. That was the goal. I don't want you to.

[Jason Kelsey]

That's amazing.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is great. Jason, what'd you used to do, huh?

[Jason Kelsey]

I didn't go on dates. All right, next question. Fitz, did I steal your bit? Taking my shirt off in Buffalo. Is it your bit or is this just a Buffalo bit?

[Andrew Whitworth]

Ooh, it is kind of.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

No, I feel like it's been a bit from the beginning of time when it Gets cold that men take their.

[Jason Kelsey]

Shirts off in Cleveland. Happen all the time. There'd be guys in the dog pound.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

Painted up and down.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You know that I. I still feel bad. That game. We were supposed to get together that game for the tailgate.

[Jason Kelsey]

We were.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

And I got stuck in traffic. We flew in that day, and I got stuck in traffic. Yeah. And I was gonna show you around and didn't get a chance to. But I know you had a good time in the park.

[Jason Kelsey]

I still want to go back. I'd love to go back with you.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I'd love to go back, just in general, because Bill's Mafia was spectacular. Big Tree Inn.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

That place was awesome.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. You hit it up.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. No, it was good.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Well, but. But even where they're putting the stadium stuff has kind of been condensed right now because of the stadium and what they're doing there. So next year, not.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's gonna be a better once.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Once that seat. That stadium is done, it's gonna be insane.

[Jason Kelsey]

Nice.

[Andrew Whitworth]

So I think filing cabinet pizza guy is my favorite. That pizza was.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, I didn't have the pizza.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You went into the Hammer lot, which.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Is the bowling ball shot. Right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, we got there pretty much when we were going to the game, so I got to see pins around. Got to get the bowling ball shot.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

I would love to go there, though, earlier and get the. The whole experience.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, the filing cabinet pizza is.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

That's good.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Pretty special.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's a special place. It really, like, just engulfs you.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It's a special place, and you feel the vibe right away, and that's. It's called the city of good Neighbors, like, for a reason. Right.

[Jason Kelsey]

It felt very even flying in. And I've talked to Travis about this. Seeing the lake, it reminded me of being from Cleveland. Even though you're not Cleveland, there's, like, something where, like, this, like, weird, ominous vibe is in the air from the way the snow. It was.

[Andrew Whitworth]

We got.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

We had two years in a row. First year was Cleveland clinching playoff spot. It was so cool. The fan appreciation, everything. But then last year, it was Cleveland horrible. But the snow game with Jamis, where he's doing Snow angel, that was insane. The fans in Cleveland are unbelievable. There's definitely a tie there between those two cities and how Die Hard they are.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Some in the lake. All right, big wit, you played for Nick Saban at lsu. Can you give us. You got any good Nick Saban stories you can share?

[Andrew Whitworth]

I got some really good Nick Saban stories, Plenty of them. A Lot of them involve him screaming. But I would say probably my favorite. My freshman year, Benny Brazile, one of my best friends in life, and I were going. So Nick would do. When the season ended, you would go in and have these one on ones with him. And everybody had to plan your one on one meeting with Coach Saban. And Nick was a sports psychology guy. So he had the big huge chair, the little tiny chairs outside his massive desk, and the electronic door that opens with the button, the whole deal. So you'd go in there and you just feel. And he'd temple you the whole time he's talking to you, the whole deal. He's all into that type stuff. So Benny and I are waiting in the secretary's office, just like waiting for him to put in. And we hear him like, Nick episode, going crazy, losing his mind, screaming like, man, what? What freshman's in there right now? Because we're trying to think of who did something recently, like, got in trouble. Man, I can't wait to see who comes out of this office. Door opens up, he's hit the button. It's Skip Burtman, who is the longtime baseball coach who'd won like eight national championships or something at lsu. He was the. He was the interim or maybe just for a little while. They're the athletic director.

[Jason Kelsey]

Oh, wow.

[Andrew Whitworth]

And he had like booked a game or scheduled a game or something had happened that Nick wasn't cool with. And this guy, I mean, this old man, we're like, Benny and I look at each other like, who's going next? This dude's like, water up.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can tell he'd been, oh, dude.

[Andrew Whitworth]

We're like, oh, no. Like, Nick's in one of these modes today. Anybody can get it. And that's how he was. But the coolest part about Nick is everything was for a reason. Like he was doing everything. Even press conference people saw him in Alabama, whatever. Like those. A lot of the time he knew he was going to erupt on that reporter. He knew what he had planned to say or the speech he had planned to give. It's all thought out and there's a reason behind it. And that's who he always was. And so once you kind of got to understand what he was really trying to get you to hear or what the example he was really trying to give you, you realize he's not that mean. He's not that hard on people. He's actually just always trying to teach a lesson every single day. And his sense of urgency is just rare. Like when you're around him, you're like, dude, we're going to win. Because this dude's urgency to being great and chasing greatness is like. Like nobody else's you've ever been around. So you started to, like, be less scared of him and more like, all right, what's he really trying to say? I'm just going to ignore all the, like, fire and, like, you know, he seems like he's trying to bite at you, but he's really not. He's really just trying to get you to listen to something he has to say.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do you guys have any welcome to the NFL moments? What is your welcome to the NFL moment?

[Andrew Whitworth]

My first two years, probably, but mine was very.

[Jason Kelsey]

It would have been John Henderson.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. Mine was very wild. Coming out of Harvard.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I was the NFL a little bit different. Fourth stringer didn't get any reps. Back then. You weren't allowed to do OTAs and things until you're a school graduate.

[Jason Kelsey]

Graduate, right? Yep.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

So, like, I didn't get to do any OTAs. I got to do a rookie minicamp, and that was it.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's bullshit.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. So I played. I played a little bit in the preseason. Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Son, you're gonna have to graduate from Harvard before you can join the NFL.

[Jason Kelsey]

It was until your class graduated.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Yes, I was still there. Yes, yes. But you don't go there not to graduate. But anyway, I was a four stringer. I was going up against the guy, Jeff Smoker for the third string spot.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah. Michigan State. Right.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Michigan State.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Smoke show. I ended up getting the third string spot, but look, I didn't get any reps ever. Well, we are like 10, 11 weeks into the season. Mark Bolger goes down. So I'm the backup for the game. I get thrown in down 21 to nothing or 24 to 3.

[Andrew Whitworth]

EPIC.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

The first huddle, I'm in Orlando. Pace Isaac Bruce, Tori Holt, Marshall Falk. My voice is cracking. I write slot, zoom bank pitch left, X, quick screen right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, oh, my gosh.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Well, we ended up coming back and winning the game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Let's go.

[Andrew Whitworth]

How about that?

[Travis Kelsey]

It's magic style, baby.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

And then I think I. We like to say I officially ended the greatest show on turf because I started the next few weeks and it didn't. Yeah, yeah. It didn't go great. The next few weeks. That was my first huddle. It was like, am I gonna be able to make it for a year or two? And then I'm in the huddle and those guys are listening to me. Looking at me and I'm like, oh, my God.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

I didn't know what to do. Yeah, it was crazy.

[Jason Kelsey]

It's awesome.

[Andrew Whitworth]

You know, I had to go in, obviously, early in my 06 when I got there and got drafted. They had just signed Levi Jones, a left tackle back who'd been a Pro Bowler, and Willie Anderson had signed an extension, you know, arguably one of the best right tackles to ever play the game. And so I really thought when I got drafted, like, I'm not going to play at all.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Andrew Whitworth]

And sure enough, how the NFL works, our left tackle, Levi, you know, blows out his knee week four of the season. And I had only been playing like, guard because they didn't obviously just pay their tackles. So they were like, hey, you're going to play left guard this season as a backup. And we had Eric Steinbach, who ended up going to Cleveland after that year. So I'm like, I'm not going to play. Levi blows his knee out in the Tampa game. And so I got hurt before the Tampa game. So I go in, they're like, hey, you're gonna have to play some left guard in this game, possibly. So, sure enough, Levi tries to play. Can't do it. He's done. So Steinbach goes in left tackle, and I'm left guard. We have a TV timeout, and I see our O line coach, like, pointing down and he's like. I'm like, what's. You know? So I'm just trying to ignore him because I'm like, I think he's pointing at me to go left tackle, not me. We're playing in Tampa. This is. But with Juice, Simeon Rice, like, you know, legendary Tampa game.

[Jason Kelsey]

Paul Alexander.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Oh, yeah. And Paul's like, pointing, you know, and sure enough, finally they go into Carson's headset and they go, hey, you know, hey. Paul says he knows you see him, like, move. You're playing, like.

[Jason Kelsey]

Don'T you see?

[Andrew Whitworth]

I like, move over one spot in the huddle, you know, like, just begrudgingly, like, when you tell your kids to sit on down, I like, move over one spot and play left tackle the rest of the game. I didn't give up any sax. I'm not gonna say it was very pretty, but I survived, right? It was Simeon Wright's on the road. And then the next week was my first ever start at left tackle, and it was Mike Rucker and Julius Peppers, who at that time, in the last their two or three years together, were leading the league in sacks. So blanked them again, but nice. It Was one of those things where like, all of a sudden you realize this is what the life is, you know? And I think my third or my second start start was Terrell Suggs on Thursday Night Football or something like that in home in Cincinnati. So, yeah, you start really realizing, like, okay, wait a minute. Every week I got one of these guys, like, when do I get the easy guys? When's the LSU.

[Jason Kelsey]

Similar. Well, not at all a similar story, but similar moment of my welcome to the F moment. Nobody really knew it happened but me and the guy that I was blocking.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Yeah, right.

[Jason Kelsey]

Like, oh, yeah, there were no sex.

[Andrew Whitworth]

That's how our life is, right? Nobody knows anything.

[Jason Kelsey]

So I'm going into. I'm a rookie. I'm playing Dallas. They're running a 3, 4. So a lot of 5 oh calls. And they got Jay Ratliff at nose guard. Quick little joy buck. I never played a nose guard head up. Didn't know how to pass at it. Howard Muntz tried to teach me it midweek. And I'm like, trying to figure this out because most of those guys are in a three, four. They're just two gapping dudes. They're not even going to rush. And I am having a rough one. Like, I don't know how. I haven't given up a sack. He's beaten me for like, four pressures.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Who's the quarterback?

[Jason Kelsey]

The quarterback would have been Michael Vick. That's probably.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

There you go.

[Jason Kelsey]

There it is.

[Andrew Whitworth]

Now we know.

[Jason Kelsey]

So I'm like, The game is 3/4 over. I've been having an awful night. And I get called for holding. And I think it's a bullshit call. I'm yelling at the breath. That's bullshit. That's not holding. And I look over at Jay, I'm like, you know, that wasn't holding you. And he's like, son, I've been whooping your ass all night. I figured I earned one of those. Like, I ran again.

[Travis Kelsey]

Guess I'm done talking to J.

[Andrew Whitworth]

As a young alumin. I feel like you get some very. Welcome to NFL. There's no doubt. Hip tosses. Just completely bold run over.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, everybody check out the fits and wit pod. Coming back during the season. And we'll see you guys on Christmas.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

In Kansas City, baby.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Kelsey]

In Tahoe. And.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, that. Oh, nice.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

At the American Century.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yes.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

At the American Century Champion Championship.

[Andrew Whitworth]

That happens.

[Jason Kelsey]

Yeah, that's right. I forgot.

[Travis Kelsey]

Kansas City brand. Appreciate you guys doing that. Alrighty.

[Jason Kelsey]

And that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thanks for tuning in. You can subscribe to New Heights to at New Heights show on YouTube or anyplace else. You also get your podcasts. Yeah. Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube to the new Heights channel and follow New Heights in the Wondery app or wherever we get your podcast. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcast.

[Travis Kelsey]

Once again. New Heights, a wonder show produced by Wave Sports and entertainment and New Heights is brought to you by Allstate. You're in good hands with Allstate, isn't that right, Jason? Follow the show on all social media new heights show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. And thanks to our production and crew for always making us look better than we are. 92 percenters. Thank you guys.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Fits and wits.

[Jason Kelsey]

Thank you guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

God damn it. I got it, baby. You did it, New York. I'm looking at Jason's tits right now on PGA Tour.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Oh my God. No, no, no. What about the 8am thing with your beater? When you had the wife beater on, your tits were hanging.

[Travis Kelsey]

Do you shave your ribs?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It just rubs.

[Jason Kelsey]

Do I shave.

[Travis Kelsey]

Do you shave your ribs?

[Andrew Whitworth]

No, that's friction from the shirt because.

[Travis Kelsey]

Your tits are covered with hair, but your ribs are nothing.

[Jason Kelsey]

Listen, it's. I don't know what part of evolution made my hair grow like that, but that's just how it happens.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

You have hair on your inner thighs or. No, probably not because of the rub. Mine don't look like that.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelsey]

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[Brandon]

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