NFL Draft Preview, New Additions & Why Charlize Theron Loves Stunts, Serial Killers & More | EP 188

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce | Episode 188

Date: April 22, 2026
Title: NFL Draft Preview, New Additions & Why Charlize Theron Loves Stunts, Serial Killers & More

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Episode Theme & Overview

This week, Jason and Travis Kelce deliver a packed episode featuring:

• Insider buzz and personal stories tied to NFL Draft week
• A deep dive into effort, curiosity, and team culture in football
• Banter about recent sports events (NHL playoffs, golf trips)
• A lively and thoughtful interview with Oscar-winning actress Charlize Theron, discussing her new Netflix movie "Apex", love of action stunts, serial killers in pop culture, and parenting
• Listener "no Dumb Questions" segment about Jets fandom and raising kids
• Fun pop culture chat, memorable quotes, and plenty of brotherly ragging

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Key Segments & Topics

1. NFL Draft Hype & Team News

• Draft Week Excitement:
  • Jason: “It’s one of the greatest weeks in the NFL because it’s draft week. It’s lottery time. Dreams are coming true for everyone. Oh, it’s glorious.” (01:39)
• Chiefs and Bengals Moves
  • Travis jokingly demurs when asked who the Chiefs will pick, instead focusing on wanting “guys that love ball… How infectious is your energy?” (28:15)
  • Jason provides analysis of Dexter Lawrence’s trade to the Bengals, emphasizing Lawrence’s dominance when given one-on-one matchups. Discusses defensive strategy and position-specific nuances. (24:13–28:13)
• Advice for Rookies:
  • Jason and Travis stress the importance of on-field effort and intellectual curiosity for new players.
  • Jason’s recurring wisdom: “You are marketing yourself each and every play… Your competitiveness and how hard you go is going to be one of the things every coach is feening for.” (42:17)
  • Travis: “The one thing I always tell guys is, bro, understand the other side of the ball just as good as you understand your own.” (43:51)
  • The value of “being curious” and never settling for just knowing your assignment—learn what everyone is doing. (47:06)

Notable Quote

“You gotta be able to be good enough, but you want to make the team? That’s a damn good start.” – Jason (42:43)

2. Sports Roundup: Personal Stories & Banter

• Wedding & Fashion: Discussion of Jason’s scarf-and-bolo look at Lane and Kelsey Johnson’s wedding and the joy of reconnecting at big team events. (02:29–03:32)
• Hockey Nostalgia: Memories of youth hockey rivalry with the Junior Blue Jackets, including Travis fighting a coach after scoring five goals in a game. (09:24–10:40)
• Golf Trip & Holes-in-One: Travis recounts witnessing two holes-in-one, including a lively tale involving beers, heartburn, and zebras at the Ohoopee Match Club. (16:17–20:34)
• NBA Talk: Discourse on the most dominant college basketball players—names like Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, and Carmelo Anthony are dissected with humor and awe. (51:16–54:44)

Notable Moment

“I lost a Super Bowl to my brother and it was the worst pain on the planet.” – Jason, discussing shared and individual athlete pain (01:02)

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3. Listener Segment: "No Dumb Questions"

• Jets Fandom & Raising Kids: A listener (Jake) solicits advice about preparing his new child for a lifetime of New York Jets heartbreak:
  • “My advice that I give everybody is don’t listen to anybody that wants to give you advice.” – Jason (64:41)
  • Fun, heartwarming banter about passing on sports fandom to the next generation amidst struggle.
• Jokes about sponsorships and selling out to baby brands follow.

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4. Main Guest: Charlize Theron (Interview Starts ~72:04)

Introduction:

Charlize Theron, Oscar-winning actress, producer, and noted action star, talks about her new Netflix film 'Apex' and her penchant for physical storytelling and high-intensity roles.

Key Points & Timestamps:

A. Filming ‘Apex’ and Love of Stunts

• Charlize on doing real stunts:

  “I do a lot of the action. Yeah. I do all of the climbing in. It is me. Some of the kayaking is not me...but I do everything else.” (72:22)

• On loving action, drawing from her background in dance, and storytelling through movement.
  • “You need the stupid and the crazy to get to greatness.” (72:56)
• Discussing the nerves and physical fear in cliffside climbing and real-life stunts for the film.
  • “There was no… you couldn’t put mats or anything down…It was a real hang. So they had to drop me on a very, very thick, secure safety rope...That was one of the…physically the hardest.” (74:42; 76:17)

B. Portrayal of Serial Killers and Psychological Warfare

• Theron’s fascination with serial killers and producing ‘Mindhunter.’
  • “I’m obsessed with serial killer movies. I think…because I’m so obsessed with real serial killers, there’s so much variety to pick from.” (80:00)
  • On ‘Mindhunter’: “It really was the academia...and how serial killers, real serial killers, were part of that academia being found, you know, sitting down with them. That’s how they built their knowledge for profiling…fascinating.” (83:13–83:47)
• Playing cat-and-mouse with movie villain, and the value of storytelling that doesn’t over-explain the evil.

C. Personal Life & Parenting

• On raising daughters: “They're stubborn and they're just firecrackers. And so when they love, they love very hard. But. But when they fight, I'm like, oh my god...Listen, you're in your worst place right now so that you can cope with what you have. But...you're in a lovely place.” (91:20)
• Her advice as girls grow into teenagers: “You're going to have days where you just get in your car and drive around the block for like, an hour out of the house. It's what I call, like, a timeout.” (93:21)

D. Fun Bits:

• Movie Quotes Game: Jason & Travis read user reviews/comments; Charlize tries to guess which of her films the quote is about.
  • “All sex scenes from now on should have Al Pacino in the background cheering for participants.” – “Oh my god, that's Devil’s Advocate.” (86:10)
  • “I feel like I just got drop-kicked in the cervix for 120 minutes straight.” – “Atomic Blonde or Tully.” (84:52)

E. Olympic Experience

• On delivering the Winter Olympics opening ceremony: “It was just amazing to be that close to something like that. You know, I just have such respect for athletes…discipline that goes into sports.” (86:54; 88:08)
• On inspiration: citing Nelson Mandela’s wisdom, and the high stakes for Olympians.

F. Pets & Movie Names

• Charlize shares that her dog is named Johnny Utah after Keanu Reeves’s Point Break character (93:54), and another, Ripley after ‘Aliens’.

G. Climbing Kilimanjaro Story

• Jason recounts his climb for charity, with candid remarks about the physical grind and camaraderie. Charlize expresses interest in doing it with her own daughters one day (95:00–100:47).

H. Welcome to Hollywood Moment

• Charlize’s story: arriving at LAX, mistakenly thinking she’d fly directly to “Hollywood,” seeing the sign from a taxi, and knowing “I’m gonna make it.” (103:04–104:40)

Notable Quotes

“You need the stupid and the crazy to get to greatness.” – Charlize (72:56)

“I loved making this movie so much…this is my favorite, favorite movie I’ve ever made.” – Charlize on ‘Apex’ (81:51)

“When you have the third one, hit 11, I promise you, you’re going to have days where you just get in your car and drive around the block for like, an hour out of the house. It’s what I call, like, a timeout.” – Charlize (93:21)

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5. Memorable Quotes & Funniest Moments

• “Philadelphia Boo is kind of like also a term of endearment.” – Jason (08:13)
• “I'm gonna ask you questions about…your knowledge for the game, how you acquire that knowledge…guys that have a good understanding of what the other side of the ball is doing…” – Travis (29:23)
• “You gotta just love it when we're out there.” – Travis, on competing at high stakes (00:52, and again after Charlize describes Olympian heartbreak)
• “I'm actively working still and doing her job, which is much more serious than mine, but she's doing great…she's a rock star…” – Jake (Listener segment about his pregnant wife, 67:43)

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6. Episode Structure & Timeline

| Segment | Timestamp (rounded) | |--------------------------------------------|-----------------------------| | Opening banter; recent events | 00:20–11:00 | | Current sports news (hockey, golf, NBA) | 11:00–22:00 | | NFL Draft discussion | 23:29–40:00 | | ‘No Dumb Questions’ - Listener Qs | 64:08–68:12 | | Main Interview: Charlize Theron | ~72:04–105:50 | | Movie quotes guessing game | 84:38–86:41 | | Parenting chat & personal advice | 91:04–97:14, 101:52–103:04 | | Kilimanjaro & adventures | 95:54–100:47 | | 'Welcome to Hollywood' moment | 103:04–104:40 |

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Takeaways & Episode Tone

• Genuine, humorous, kinetic energy. Jason and Travis deliver camaraderie, analysis, and playful roasts—as always, blending athlete insight with accessible, laugh-out-loud brotherly humor.
• Theron Interview: Offers rare depth on acting, stunts, psychology of thrillers, personal resilience, and parenting—combining inspiration, humility, and candid self-deprecation.
• For Football Fans: Deep-dive on what matters in the NFL draft process, with actionable advice for aspiring pros.
• For Pop Culture Listeners: The guest segment is both fun and revealing, emphasizing Theron’s authenticity and star power.

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Selected Timestamps (for fast reference)

• Wedding stories, fashion, and hockey: 02:29–11:03
• NFL Draft trade analysis: 24:13–28:13
• Team chemistry & rookie advice: 28:13–47:59
• Listener Jets question: 64:08–68:12
• Charlize Theron interview begins: 72:04
• Movie reviews game: 84:38–86:41
• Parenting advice (daughters): 91:04–93:43
• Kilimanjaro story: 95:54–100:47
• "Welcome to Hollywood" moment: 103:04–104:40

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Final Thoughts

This episode stands out for its balance of high-energy sports talk, sage advice for NFL hopefuls, and an insightful, often hilarious interview with one of Hollywood's top action stars. Whether you’re a diehard football fan, a movie buff, or just looking for laughs and life lessons, Episode 188 is a must-listen.

Transcript

[Travis Kelce]

The wrongs we must right, the fights we must win, the future we must secure together for our nation. This is what's in front of us. This determines what's next for all of us. We are marines. We were made for this.

[Jason Kelce]

You got to do the opening ceremony at the Winter Olympics this year. How was that experience?

[Charlize Theron]

It was a great experience. It was just amazing to be it's that close to something like that. You know, I just have such respect for athletes.

[Jason Kelce]

It really is a special event that takes place on the national worldwide scale.

[Charlize Theron]

And then you see the smallest thing go wrong and you're just like, it's because the stakes are so high, right? If it wasn't the four year thing, it would be fine, right? I don't know. It's like, you know you're probably gonna lose, right, Travis? But you keep fucking playing. You gotta keep playing.

[Travis Kelce]

You gotta just love it when we're out there.

[Jason Kelce]

We have 11 other guys on the OR, 10 other guys on the field

[Travis Kelce]

with us going through it together, all eyes on them.

[Charlize Theron]

You guys have had that feeling, right?

[Jason Kelce]

I lost a Super bowl to my brother and it was the worst pain on the planet. I wasn't in.

[Travis Kelce]

Welcome back to new heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, a wondry show and we are your hosts. I'm Travis Kelsey, My big brother Jason Kelsey out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Shout out to the Cavs, baby.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. How about that?

[Travis Kelce]

Jonathan Mitchell. James Harden, man. Yeah. Shout out to the CAVS. Subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at new height show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. And this is the part of the show where Jason tells us what we have coming up.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, 92%. We got another great episode. This time brought to you by Liquid iv. It's one of the greatest weeks in the NFL because it's draft week week. It's lottery time. Dreams are coming true for everyone. Oh, it's glorious. And if you've been waiting to for your chance to see new heights live, we've also got another great announcement for you. We are going to be announcing that later. It looks like we also have Charlize Theron is here. Awesome new movie coming out.

[Travis Kelce]

Talk a little apex.

[Jason Kelce]

Before we get to any of that, let's get into some of that new news. New news.

[Travis Kelce]

Before we do anything, we have to have a moment for this slice of brisket.

[Jason Kelce]

Thank you, Travis. Shout out to the the cameraman or woman, whoever took this photo is this guy Lane and Kelsey Johnson's Wedding so good.

[Travis Kelce]

Shout out to Lane and Kelsey, man, for tying it, man. That's awesome.

[Jason Kelce]

I thought I looked horrendous at this wedding. This photo came out really good. Probably a good angle, I would assume.

[Travis Kelce]

Where'd you get the scarf and the bolo?

[Jason Kelce]

We landed in Nashville. That's where the wedding was. We went from straight from the Masters. You and I were at there and we wanted to get a bolo. Me, Bo Allen, cowboy hat. We go in there. I didn't love the bolo tie selection. It was okay. And then there was like a one that was. It was like just like a little thing with a ring around it. And I was like, oh, like that one looks dope. And they're like, well, that's more for like a scarf. And I was like, oh, maybe I should I do a scarf. And I was like, yeah, let's see what it looks like. And we got the scarf. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna rock it. I don't know. I've never wore a scarf, but I kind of dig it.

[Travis Kelce]

You fucking made this scarf rock, dude. This is awesome.

[Jason Kelce]

It was on for about 30 minutes and then was off.

[Travis Kelce]

But yes, we got to let it breathe. Got to let it breathe in there. Yeah, the Kelsey way.

[Jason Kelce]

It was. The look definitely really came together in a way that I was not expecting. Wedding was awesome. It was like a big reunion.

[Travis Kelce]

So many looked amazing.

[Jason Kelce]

Players, offensive linemen. It was great. It was a tremendous time.

[Travis Kelce]

That's awesome.

[Jason Kelce]

Band was awesome. People were dancing.

[Travis Kelce]

Gotta love a good wedding band, man. Fuck.

[Jason Kelce]

It's in the middle of a field.

[Travis Kelce]

Like a little ranch wedding.

[Jason Kelce]

I felt bad. I mean, it was just like a pop up barn in the middle of like some tall grass. They came out of a pasture. They all just kind of like walked down. Seriously, it was great.

[Travis Kelce]

I wouldn't expect anything else from Lane.

[Jason Kelce]

I was like, man, Lane, that's a. That's a long walk for ba Man Lane.

[Travis Kelce]

Shout out to Lane and Kelsey. Man, it looked amazing up there. And we also got a little bit of Jason Kelsey back on the ice. Are you jumping into the battle of Pennsylvania with the Flyers and the. And the Pens going at it?

[Jason Kelce]

I wish, I wish. In another life form maybe. But dude, you look. No, we set up this.

[Travis Kelce]

Look the part.

[Jason Kelce]

I do not look the part. Especially if you watch the video. Watch the video. I can't skate at all anymore. The kind folks over at Bauer were setting up their outfit. Me. They saw a video I did earlier this year with down in Jacksonville. There's a awesome facility where it's like a bar, sports bar inside of an ice rink.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, you got a little men's league action.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, so there was some of that. And they said, hey, if you want to get outfitted with a bunch of gear. So we kind of set this up a while ago, even before the playoffs were clinched. And they got me some skates. Skates are probably a little too big, so we're gonna size it down maybe a tad.

[Travis Kelce]

What are you rocking? I gotta resize. I haven't gotten these skates in a while.

[Jason Kelce]

They were 13s, which usually go size down from a shoe. So it was a 13 skate. I think I'm more like a 12 and a half. Like, I don't know. We're gonna try the next one down, see if it fits a little bit better. But it was all, like, personalized. It was. It was really cool. Awesome for Bauer to do that at

[Travis Kelce]

this day and age. You don't need to be fucking out here. Like, feet, like in there so you can get quick feed and like, you just got to be comfortable out there.

[Jason Kelce]

I agree. You want comfort. So we. We definitely were going with the Supremes as opposed to the Vapors. But the Supremes now, they're not, like, as thick as they used to be.

[Travis Kelce]

They're still power Supremes. Man, those things were sweet when we were kids.

[Jason Kelce]

Man, it is crazy seeing the difference of, like, technology and the equipment now from when we were playing when we were younger.

[Brandon]

Do you guys watch hockey at all this weekend?

[Jason Kelce]

Did I? Dude, Flyers. That Flyers game was awesome.

[Brandon]

Do Philly and Pittsburgh have beef?

[Jason Kelce]

It's all. It's a rivalry for sure.

[Brandon]

I wasn't aware of how much hatred there was until I got online with it.

[Travis Kelce]

And who was it? Senators in Calgary. Fucking as soon as the puck dropped, fucking Kachuk again. Fucking.

[Jason Kelce]

Our guy could truck install. Yeah. Usual suspects.

[Travis Kelce]

I know he plays for Ottawa. I don't know who the other team was. I forget. Who else is it? Oh, it's Carolina.

[Jason Kelce]

Carolina Hurricanes. Yeah.

[Brandon]

But yeah, Philly.

[Jason Kelce]

Pittsburgh was good the last time. The Flyers were pretty good with Jeru Hartnell, who now does, like, the post game commentary. Jacob. Jacob Vorice. Those guys were playing the Penguins in the playoffs the last time early in my career. It's been a while since they've been back. I mean, they might have been back one more time.

[Brandon]

Penguins fans were reminding Flyers fans of this. Yes. And Flyers fans were threatening to kill the Penguins at the zoo. So, like, it was a good Good

[Jason Kelce]

spirited back and forth from Barry Flyers fan. Like, oh, you guys.

[Brandon]

How many guys got. We'll kill the Penguins. You're like, okay, guys, chill, chill.

[Jason Kelce]

I just love playoff hockey. There's. They're cross checking each other off the puck. They're like. And the rest is murdering people.

[Brandon]

Did you, did you guys watch the Sabers game at all? The first how many years they've had a playoff.

[Jason Kelce]

I saw the tailgate from the Sabers, the Rollerbladers. That was the best.

[Travis Kelce]

That's honestly Buffalo, man.

[Jason Kelce]

No, the arena was Sabers mafia. Look out.

[Travis Kelce]

Watch out for the Blazers, dude. That's such a good bit.

[Jason Kelce]

It was great. But yeah, playoff hockey is just by far the best. The game is so fun when it's.

[Travis Kelce]

You going to go to the game when it gets back to Philly?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I would love to. I think I won't be. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town. Their second game is tonight in Pittsburgh. I think I'm out of town by the time they come back to Philly.

[Travis Kelce]

I'm going to go to the Flyers game without you, Jason.

[Jason Kelce]

Go for it. They're awesome. They're a good time.

[Travis Kelce]

Philly doesn't love me unless I'm with you.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude. If you show up to a flowers game, Philly will be all lit.

[Travis Kelce]

They'd boo me the whole time.

[Jason Kelce]

You probably get a little bit of booze, but also you understand.

[Travis Kelce]

I love Philadelphia. Booze are cheer to me. I love a boo.

[Jason Kelce]

Philadelphia Boo is kind of like also a term of endearment.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's a sign of respect.

[Travis Kelce]

I don't know if it's respect in some.

[Jason Kelce]

Some ways. Yeah, I wouldn't say that either. It's more like a acknowledgment of annoyance.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah. But when I show up in my Eric Lindros jersey.

[Jason Kelce]

You were a big Flyers fan growing up, actually. That was your team.

[Travis Kelce]

I had a whole like, like floor to ceiling poster of Eric Lindross and I was just like, if I could just be this tall and sweet.

[Jason Kelce]

LeClaire was your guy. That was the guy you talked about a lot.

[Travis Kelce]

I was 88. And hockey. Yeah, I was. Yeah, I was 88 in my like. Yeah, 88. I always thought was a dope number.

[Jason Kelce]

Tony G. LeClaire, Brenda Moore.

[Travis Kelce]

Dude. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

I was always into the Avalanche growing up because I liked Forsberg and Wa and Rob Blake, Sakic.

[Brandon]

You guys weren't Big Mike, Madonna fans.

[Travis Kelce]

I love. You know what?

[Jason Kelce]

We didn't have a. We didn't have a team. So we really were we like players.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah. We were fans of the big names on every team. The Blue Jackets didn't come around until we were in, like, later middle school.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

And their Junior Jacks were in our like, Cleveland Suburban Hockey League for some other fucking reason. Maybe there wasn't like a big league in Columbus yet, but I just remember wanting to fucking beat the shit out of those kids every single time. I was like, what the fuck? Junior Jack Junior Fucking the fuck out of here.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm with you. I felt like we.

[Travis Kelce]

I think I actually did. I think I fought a coach.

[Jason Kelce]

Actually fought a coach. That's aggressive.

[Travis Kelce]

It got bad. I scored like five goals and, like, was talking shit to their bench. And then at the end of the game, I felt we were like shaking hands or like doing the, like, everybody skates past each other.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

And then their player hit me. I hit him. Then I got into a brawl with the players. The coach that was in the line shaking hands grabs me by the back of my jersey and I just said, what the fuck?

[Jason Kelce]

Wow. Sounds like the coach. Sounds like the coach.

[Travis Kelce]

Instantly you already know. You're on me. You're on the fucking ice standing your ground. You're on the ice with shoes on. So now it looks like he just got knocked out by an eighth grader. Ed Kelsey. Big pops. Mom called him. I'm on the way home. He's like, don't ever do that when I'm not there. Don't you ever put your mother in that situation. I'm like, I don't plan on hitting a grown ass man ever again in my life, dad.

[Jason Kelce]

That. That was not a choice that I wanted to make. There's a weird moment in like a kid's life where you realize that you can, you can beat up like a fully.

[Travis Kelce]

And it was, that was one of the moments I was like, okay, I don't.

[Brandon]

I don't know if that's true for everybody. Guys.

[Travis Kelce]

I'm a little taller than this guy. Definitely towering over him on skates.

[Brandon]

I think you guys maybe are different athletic abilities than some of us.

[Jason Kelce]

Mine was with dad himself. We were like in the house and he had just like. I did something where I was mouthing off to him, I'm sure, but he was like, I was like mouthing off. I don't know what I said to him to get him so riled up. And he just like, you think you're, oh, the big tough football guy. You think you've, like, you're the big guy. And he like, tried to like, wrestle me to the ground. But he just kind of like fell and, like, was like ankle biting me, basically. And I just like fell down because I. Oh, my God. This is like. I feel so bad for dad. So.

[Travis Kelce]

Playoff hockey, playoff basketball. It's a fun time to get your fix in, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Going from March Madness to playoff basketball and playoff hockey. This is a very fun. And the Masters and golf heating up, too. It's a very fun time for sports.

[Travis Kelce]

Fuck, yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

No doubt about it.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

I'm not.

[Travis Kelce]

I'm not gonna lie. The ending to that fucking Harbor Town with Scheffler and Fitzpatrick. Yeah. If you're familiar with that, man, that was a fucking fun one to watch. All right, well, biggest piece of new news.

[Jason Kelce]

Fuck it.

[Travis Kelce]

We're going live. That's right. We're taking a show on the road. New Heights is live in la. We're taking our talents west coast. We're going to be at the Orpheum Theater June 15th.

[Jason Kelce]

We're talking surprise guest, big time audience interaction, all the usual New Heights energy live in front of a crowd. USA is kicking off the World cup in la, so we got to be there to cheer them all.

[Travis Kelce]

Let's go, USA.

[Jason Kelce]

Come on, baby.

[Brandon]

Come on.

[Jason Kelce]

General on sale for the 92 percenters begins April 27th. We'll put the link to buy tickets in our bio. Also over at the Kelsey Clubhouse. It's going to be fun.

[Travis Kelce]

Dude, I can't wait.

[Jason Kelce]

Done a few of these before. We've done one in Cincinnati. We've done one out in Kansas City. In Kansas City for the draft a few years back, we did somewhat of one down at the Shore with a little beer bowl action.

[Travis Kelce]

Multiple. Yeah, yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

This is going to be fun.

[Travis Kelce]

It'll be a blast at the Orpheum Theater, man, that we're going to. We're trying to get that thing packed and rocking and we're going to have a whole bunch of games and whole bunch of guests, and I'm sure it'll be.

[Jason Kelce]

It'll.

[Travis Kelce]

It'll be another electric evening for the live shows, man. We're pumped for it.

[Jason Kelce]

Always is. Always is. All righty.

[Travis Kelce]

Little T shirt cannon. I owe Jason a T shirt cannon right at the side of the dome. Got shot one at me from three feet away.

[Jason Kelce]

It didn't connect. It didn't connect. Definitely connected. I remember New news, new merch. That's right. The New Heights Essential spring collection is here, baby. We got some. You guys have been asking for it. We finally have New Heights crewnecks, as you see right here. That's not a crew neck. That's a nice T shirt Travis has, but that was also a cool design. The crew neck, the Cleveland Heights tee, the globe hoodie. Ooh, that one's actually sick. I like that one a lot. The New Heights monogram tee. All of it is now available on KelseyClubHouse.com if you want to support New Heights, wear some merch. Show people that you're fans of the show.

[Travis Kelce]

I love wearing these things.

[Jason Kelce]

Or just get us to give you a big high five the moment we see it. I mean, high five in a picture for New Heights merch wears for sure.

[Travis Kelce]

And it's a good shirt, guys. I'm not going to lie. These, this material and everything is some of my favorites.

[Jason Kelce]

Whoever did their homework on the on the materials and sent them to us, they did a great job.

[Travis Kelce]

Fantastic. Love it. So go to KelseyClubhouse.com grab some merch. We got some good shit for you guys.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, 92 percenters. You know, we've got our no Dumb Questions dropping soon, but there's also a special Target exclusive version of the book. It's got even more dumb questions that didn't even make the cut to the regular version. It's a director's cut, if you will, of no Dumb Questions.

[Travis Kelce]

Right? Ooh.

[Jason Kelce]

So if you want the full experience with all the wisdom we could possibly cram in there, make sure you grab the Target exclusive edition of no Dumb Questions. Pre orders are live now links in the bio below. And remember that all the pre orders of the book, you can get exclusive sticker packs. Who doesn't love stickers? Just pre order the book from Target or any retailer and submit your receipt.

[Travis Kelce]

Love it.

[Jason Kelce]

And we've also got a bonus episode with Jess Stoutland dropping Friday.

[Travis Kelce]

This Friday. Let's go, Stout.

[Jason Kelce]

We've been trying to figure out this Jeff Stoutland episode for a while. Initially, we're going to tag it on to another guest episode, but we felt like Stout deserved his own episode. Was highly instrumental in my career and a lot of Eagles career. So excited to launch this one on Friday. It's not only Stout, it's also got a round table with Jordan Malata, Brent Selick. There's a lot of Eagles centric talks in there. So if you're interested in that, you're going to want to tune in. I think it highlights one of the best coaches in Eagles history.

[Travis Kelce]

He's one of the best storytellers of all time, too, man. He's. He's so fun to talk to, man. He's got stories for days. And it's just such cool insight, like sitting here talking to style just on the pod alone and really hearing how much he loved this game and he loved teaching this game, and he just loved being around guys that, that desired that knowledge, man, and, and. And really, you know, took that knowledge and ran with it, like yourself, like a Brent Selleck or a Jordan Malata. So I'll even be tuned in. I missed the round table, but I got. I got some action in with him here on New Heights.

[Jason Kelce]

Awesome. Well, last thing, shout out to Bacon. How about that?

[Travis Kelce]

So, hole in one. A lot of people don't. Don't know this. I went on an epic golf trip last week from a hoopies match club to the Masters, which is probably the two top destinations in. In the state of Georgia to, to play some golf and to see some golf. And yeah, my guy, DJ Young Chuck, Charlie Grace kind of, you know, pioneered the entire weekend and, and. And helped us get into a hooby. But even then, man, Patty Banks on hole five, hits his first hole in one at a hoopy match club. We're going nuts. As you can see, he has the beers in his hands. He had just shotgun the beer before the sh. Before the actual hit. Walks up to the hole. Couldn't see the ball go in, so we're walking up to it. He thinks he hits it over the green.

[Jason Kelce]

Ah, God damn it.

[Travis Kelce]

He's all pissed off at himself, holding his beers in his hand. He walks up to the hole just to peek in it. And sure enough, that ball is laying right there in the. In the cup, man. And we all start going nuts, start chugging beers. And about five beers later, after three holes, Bacon's walking around like, ah, anybody got any heartburn medicine? God damn it. I got too excited. But from going from a hoopie to the Masters, we then saw Shane Lowry right after I talked to you on that front lawn. The next day, the hit a hole in one on six. And we were up at the top next to the. The tee box. And if you've been to the Masters, hole six is a huge. It's a drop. And you had a beautiful look at the hole. And, man, that thing was tracking it the entire time. And the tee box turned into a mosh pit. Everybody starts banging shoulders, going nuts, throwing beers in the air. I'm like, this is the Masters. You can't do this at Augusta. But sure enough, man, when you hit a hole in one, it doesn't matter where you're at, man, the people are Going to go nuts. So shout out to Shane for, for dropping that in. And shout out to old Patty Banks getting his first hole in one. And it was, it was an epic weekend of a lot of fun with some of my closest friends. So it was dope.

[Jason Kelce]

I can't tell you how jealous. I've still never seen a hole in one. You saw two of them that week. There are four that happened in the part three.

[Travis Kelce]

I've seen like six hole in ones in my life and the closest I've ever gotten is waste management where it dropped to like four feet. I, I, I can't, I can't even get close to a hole in one. I've seen Pat Mahomes literally shoot a skyrocket in the air, go in the cup, bounce 20ft out of the hole and then like had like a 40 foot putt that he, that he almost drained. Like I've seen some fucking crazy shots on some part threes, man.

[Jason Kelce]

We can't move on from this without taking a look at this picture. This very proud picture of Patty Banks on the green right after his hole in one at a hoopie and without giving a shout out to just the most glorious calves in the history of the world. It's, I mean, it's honestly like it looks like they're implants. Like it doesn't look like it's possible for someone of that stature to have calves.

[Travis Kelce]

Like he got, they're like he got a, he got Botox in his calves.

[Jason Kelce]

Like if he was a woman, you would for sure think he had a BBL in his cash. But he's not. He's not. It's just his natural body.

[Travis Kelce]

These things are hilarious, dog. One of the funniest things, this is what AI is good for right here. One of the wildest things is that a hoopie actually has zebras on property. So when you're playing and Jason, Jason, you played there. It's an epic.

[Jason Kelce]

They're over the fence.

[Travis Kelce]

You can definitely see them. And, and it's one of like the unique things about, about the course. I definitely, I grabbed like a putter cover that's in the shape of a zebra. It's one of my favorite putter covers. Now one of the homies decided to AI bacon on top of, on top of a zebra,

[Jason Kelce]

Dude. But this is, this is good. This is how you know it's AI. Those are regular cats. Regular cats. Those are not Patty Bakes cats.

[Travis Kelce]

Patty Bakes calves would never look that, I mean, oh no. Those are kind of meaty too.

[Jason Kelce]

That's not enough though. That's not enough Patty Banks.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, that's epic with the garage beard, his hand more fitting than the Miller Lights that he was out there crushing on on the on the course. So good man. Shout out to Patty Bakes and that's

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

I'm not saying the Jets super bowl is tomorrow. Jason, you can say it if you want.

[Brandon]

I. I wrote it.

[Jason Kelce]

It's fine.

[Brandon]

I'll say it.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't play anymore. I mean, it is very funny.

[Brandon]

Thank you. To be an asshole.

[Travis Kelce]

It's not nice.

[Jason Kelce]

All right. The Jets super bowl is tomorrow. And I can say that because I'm a Browns fan growing up, which is also their Super Bowl.

[Travis Kelce]

That's.

[Jason Kelce]

That's right. The NFL draft is this week.

[Travis Kelce]

Taking strays already. It's fucking April. That's right. We're recording this on a Monday. So the Dexter Lawrence trade is the biggest draft news right now, which is fucking huge. He goes from the NFC to one of our AFC rivals. And don't love that, because Sexy Dexy is a big piece to being a really good team.

[Jason Kelce]

There's a picture of him going viral and he's just like, of course he is huge.

[Travis Kelce]

Enormous.

[Jason Kelce]

And people are like, oh, my gosh, he's out of shape. Like, guys, he's a fucking think he

[Travis Kelce]

was like, just fine. What should I wear? Maybe I should wear something like a black shirt or something. Something slimming.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah,

[Travis Kelce]

there ain't no slim in that. He came through.

[Jason Kelce]

I'll speak on Dexter, because I had to block him. I mean, and for me, I feel very lucky that I got to play him young in his career before he had figured out all my tricks that I tried to use against him because that was the only way I was surviving. You know what's really interesting with Dexter is he really flourished when Wick Martindale got to New York and used a lot more five man fronts. Head up on the center, shades on the center. He got a lot of one on one matchups. And he would just. I mean, there was not really a lot of centers in the NFL that could block him. And he's still great rushing from the three technique in the B gap over guards. But that was like kind of when it really took off. And Wink would also bring these blitzes from all over the place. So you had to be worried about that stuff as well. So you couldn't just double them. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how he's utilized in, in Cincinnati. You know, Al golden, predominantly four down. He'll play five man fronts. You know, getting this guy, I would really try and find ways to give him one on one matchups with the center. Put him over the center and zero techniques and one techniques early downs. You know, I'm obviously not a defense coordinator. I don't know the ramifications for a lot of that stuff. I just know watching the tape from a few years when Wink was the D coordinator and he was doing that, he was virtually like unblockable. I mean you would watch the tape and it's like God damn. Guys like it just destroying centers and I mean, he is a massive human. He's every bit of six, every bit of six, four, if not six, five through over 340 easily and can move. He's a dancing bear. And he. Even when you see it, when he's doing his sexy dexy, which you do not want to see. So this is a big man, big ad for the Bengals. I hope they utilize him in a way that, you know, really accentuates when he's had the most success in his career. So, yeah, big move for the Bengals. A big pick. This is the first time the Bengals, I think, have given up a top 10 pick for another player in a long time. I saw some stat that is not in the rundown, but they haven't traded away a top 10 pick for a player in a long time.

[Travis Kelce]

They kind of been notorious for going through the draft instead of kind of giving guys contracts like this. But I mean, yeah, sexy dexy, he got him at least a one year for 28. Was it whatever it is top of

[Jason Kelce]

the market for Nosegirls.

[Travis Kelce]

Thought it was going to be way up there.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I mean, he's a little bit of an outlier because he's a nose guard, but he also rushes on third down at the three technique spots. So, you know, I, I think he's just. He's so dominant when used properly or in ways that he has been dominant that, you know, it's worth every penny. And controlling the middle of, you know, an offensive line stops the run. It generates pressure to allow edge rushers and people to get after the quarterback in the pass. It's. It's a really good building block for a defense. And you already have Joe and T and. And. Oh my God. Why am I blanking? Jesus Christ. Brown. Chase Brown. Are you frozen?

[Travis Kelce]

No, I'm trying to see where you're going with this.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, they Already have all that on offense, so obviously they. They come with Jamar Chase.

[Travis Kelce]

Not Chase.

[Jason Kelce]

Jamar Chase. God damn it.

[Travis Kelce]

Chase Brown was the safety for the Eagles.

[Jason Kelce]

I was waiting for you to kind of help me, but you just let me flounder there. Thank you.

[Travis Kelce]

Floundered as well. I was like, who's he talking about?

[Jason Kelce]

They already have. All right, so they already have T. Higgins. They already have Jamar Chase. They already have Joe Burrow. They have a lot of offensive firepower. They know that they want to win. Now they go out and get Dexter Lawrence. Hopefully adds a lot to a defense that has really been a weakness there in Cincinnati. Look forward to seeing what that looks like this season.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Trav, who are the Chiefs taking?

[Travis Kelce]

I don't know.

[Jason Kelce]

In the draft, we're gonna find out. You're lying. You know exactly who you're taking. They always tell the players.

[Travis Kelce]

They tell me everything. No, I think I'm just hoping for a guy that loves ball, man. You know, I think one of the things that you just want to have when you get back into the building after a season like last year, man, you just want guys that love what they're doing. And I think it's. It's. It's one of the things that I look for in these young guys when they come in is this. How infectious is your energy? I need that out of these young guys, man. And.

[Jason Kelce]

And.

[Travis Kelce]

And sometimes, you know, it's. It takes a little bit for a guy to, like, get comfortable in his shoes and to really, like, show his personality. But Coach Reed says it best, man, we want you to show that personality, want you to be yourself and. And bring the energy to the. To the building, to the everyday grind that we can just go and unleash out on. On Sundays. And I think, you know, that's one of the biggest things I'm looking forward to in seeing who we're going to go and draft this year is, you know, how much energy and how much fun they're bringing to the. To the squad.

[Jason Kelce]

If you're conducting a top 30 visit, what is your number one question to see if a guy's got it?

[Travis Kelce]

Just your knowledge of the game.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know if there's one question.

[Travis Kelce]

There's no. There's no one question. I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask you questions about, you know, a lot of things in terms of your knowledge for the game, how you acquire that knowledge. What's that process look like? You know, I think. I think a lot of these young guys at Least what I, what I've seen in college football from the time that I've been there to, to now is just that leap into the league. You just don't know that you don't know enough about football. And so the guys that, the guys that have a good understanding of, of what the other side of the ball is doing has a good understanding of, of how to have success multiple ways through the offense that's in place. I just think it's, it's, you get a head start on that and, and you know, I, I, I want the guys that are ready to play now, especially if you got two first round picks. I want the guys that are ready to play right now.

[Jason Kelce]

You know, this is my thing when that like top 30 visits, like I feel like a lot of the responses are so like pre planned by guys. It's hard to know when a guy is like being himself when he's trying to do what an agent tells him. Like I just, I don't put too much stock into asking questions there. If you want to like put guys through tests on the board, there are certain positions obviously like quarterback, center, where like it's good to get a gauge of like what their football IQ is. Put questions or give them like verbiage the first day. Then when you get with them the following morning, you re ask verbiage to see how well they retain information. I've heard questions like I know it. One of the questions they used to ask a lot was like, are you a dog or a cat person? And some coaches felt like dog people were more like team centric, whereas cat people were more like isolated as individuals. I think a lot of it is so nonsense.

[Travis Kelce]

What was the craziest top 30 visit you went through?

[Jason Kelce]

I only did two. I only so well, I did three. I take that back. I did a Kansas City Chiefs 1. I did one with the St. Louis Rams, who Coach Magnola was the head coach of at the time. Sat down with him in the office. And then I did a late visit with the Eagles and that's when I first met Howard Mudd and Eugene Chung, the assistant online coach. And I felt like of all the visits, the Eagles visit felt like it went the best. I felt like the whole process, the Chiefs were the most interested. So I thought there was a chance I would go to Kansas City. But for some reason leaving that building, leaving NovaCare, it felt like Howard Mudd me, I got to talk to Andy. Like it felt like the whole visit went really well and it felt like there was a Lot of interest there, too, so I don't remember, like, any crazy things. What about you? What's the craziest question you got?

[Travis Kelce]

Dude, they put me in. I was coming out in 13. Mike Shanahan was still a head coach in the National Football League, and he was a head coach at Washington, and that was the legendary, like, LaFleur, obviously. Kyle Shanahan, McVeigh, Sean McVeigh.

[Jason Kelce]

Yep.

[Travis Kelce]

All these.

[Jason Kelce]

That's where it all originated at. Yep. Well, it really originated in Denver with Mike and Gary Kubiak. But yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, you already know. That was so. I didn't even know at that time meeting all those guys in that building was going to turn out to be what it is today, the craziest thing that ever happened. I wasn't even in a room with a football coach. They sent me to, like, a shrink, and I started doing these little table games, like. Yeah, like, problem solving, like, games. Like, I was like a toddler almost. And it was like, how do you put all the rings onto this, you know, pole without, you know, I mean, it's like little games like that, and. And they would time it, and they would ask you questions afterwards, and it's just like, problem solving games. And you. The. The. The shrink in front of me looked like they were just, like, jotting down, like, numbers and, like, scores and all this. I'm just sitting here. I.

[Jason Kelce]

What the.

[Travis Kelce]

Does this have to do with football at all? And I. I kind of love it, though. Kind of one of the things that Shanahan does. Yeah, I was gonna say. Yeah, this is one of the things that Shanahan does that. That kind of gives him an understanding of how well you can problem solve and how well in process and how quickly you can do it and how quickly you can figure something out on your own without being told what the point of the game is. And I think that was, like, kind of like a fascinating kind of, like, shock of, like, is this why Mike Shanahan's so good? He's just getting all these guys that are good at these, like, jigsaw puzzle games.

[Jason Kelce]

It's a pretty dang good system as well.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, I guess it was, like, one of his ways of, like, getting a guy in the building and seeing his problem solving skills.

[Jason Kelce]

I do like that. And one. So even at the combine, there's two different tests. I don't know if you remember.

[Travis Kelce]

I still to this day want to know how, like, my score was. They didn't tell me on the puzzle. Yeah, they didn tell me. They didn't tell me how like good my scores were compared to all the other guys that they brought in. I wanted to know so bad how good I did on that like part of.

[Jason Kelce]

We gotta get Kyle Shanahan. We gotta get Kyle Shanahan in here. Find out what your score was.

[Travis Kelce]

It's documented somewhere.

[Jason Kelce]

Come on, coach.

[Travis Kelce]

That or Mike.

[Jason Kelce]

They don't, they don't erase. They don't erase any of that stuff. At the combine. They would give you two tests. They would give you the Wonderlic test, which is what everybody knows is like the predominant like level of like measuring like intelligence or I in the NFL world. Yeah, yeah. But the other one that I thought was far more applicable to football intelligence.

[Travis Kelce]

Great job on the Wonderlic, didn't you?

[Jason Kelce]

I was always bad at wonderlics and SATs. I wasn't bad. I was always average at them because I'm a slow reader. I don't read quickly and I just take. I don't any time tests. I just don't finish the tests. Like the Wonderlic. I only finished like 26 questions and it's like 50 questions long. So there's no way I'm gonna have a good score. But the. I felt like the puzzle test at the combine is more applicable for football. It was like a book and you would have to like list what shape was next and like each time the puzzle would get hard. Yeah, it's really a pattern test. I don't. Puzzle's wrong. That's why I didn't do good on the Wonder. Like. But stuff like that. Stuff like these little games I do think is better at generically gazing. Like how well somebody recognizes patterns, spatial awareness, like an intelligence that's more applicable for the game of football rather than, you know, how well you can answer a full on sentence in a Wonderlic test. Like I just don't think that that really tells much about. I've seen guys do great on tests like that and have great SAT scores and they have no idea to tell off a nickel's blizzard. So I don't know, like, it just doesn't. This doesn't do that much for me. You know what I mean? It just like doesn't do not really that into it. I did think at one point we had like a pickleball court in our. In our weight room. We had like a little outline and guys could play like in the off season of course. And I used to tell them like, dude, whenever you get a top 30 guy in here, just bring him down here. Let's play some pickleball And I'll tell you if he's like, worth the shit because you could tell just by stupid games. Mick Sirianni said the same thing with, like. I do agree, it doesn't.

[Travis Kelce]

He said the same thing about basketball, right?

[Jason Kelce]

Well, he said the same thing about rock Paper scissors, which I think is even more like, not true. But like, I do think if somebody's not competitive and they don't care, that's a red flag to me because, like, it doesn't matter what game you're putting in front of me, for the most part, I'm going to try and figure out how to win.

[Travis Kelce]

What about shadow boxing?

[Jason Kelce]

I just don't like to want to play it. It doesn't interest me to play the game. But if I was doing it, I would be trying to do it. I wouldn't be half assing it. Like, if I'm playing pickleball and somebody comes on to play pickleball and they're like, just like, clearly uncoordinated or like not giving a decent amount of effort, I'm like, yeah, fuck this dude. You don't want this guy. He's gonna quit quickly.

[Travis Kelce]

You're fucking insane. If that's your, that's your job interview to be the fucking scout team or scout for the fifth for the Eagles, man. Hilarious.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't think it's a. I don't

[Travis Kelce]

need to watch any film here. Just bring them on the back.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, of course the film, the film matters more. I'm just talking about getting engaged for their overall competitiveness and desire to win. But I will say this. And the reason I got this theory was all the guys that I played in pickleball in the off season that just were not fun to play pickleball against because they sucked with effort. Also coincidentally sucked as football players.

[Travis Kelce]

Correlation there. I'll take your word for it. Well, the Eagles are.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, hold on. Speaking of. Speaking of. Yeah, so. But you just mentioned something like, obviously the tape is the most important thing. When you're watching tape, what are you looking for?

[Travis Kelce]

First off, you have to be a competitor. You gotta, you have to show your love for the game, your competitiveness, how much, how much you want to compete on every single play. That's, that's one of the, one of the things that I think needs to be like, higher than a lot of the other attributes is like, does your love for the game show on the field? How much do you, how much do you have that desire to, to play this game is. And does it translate through the Building does it does, does it does. Is it infectious to the guys around you and things like that. And then on top of that, it's defensive understanding. And you could tell by how guys, depending on what route they have, how they stem, how they attack players, how they attack leverage. If it's man to man coverage, I want to see how. How much of an artist are you? Are you creating a route within the concept? And I'm not saying doing your own thing, like, no. All I'm saying is that, you know, if it's a slant, I'm not just running three steps forward and hitting a 45 degree angle.

[Jason Kelce]

I know the basic concepts of the slant. How do I take it to another level?

[Travis Kelce]

Even if it's zone or if it's match zone or something like that, you got a. A player often inside, like, what does that angle look like coming inside? Am I. Is my angle at a. At a certain degree to where I can get to the ball faster than that defender can? You know what I mean? Like the angles and how guys are coming out. Some guys just have a natural feel for that. And I think, yes, all that you could definitely see on film, for sure.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude, I'm glad you're bringing up all of that. I think all that's really intriguing and interesting, especially with the draft coming up. It's gonna be a lot of new guys realizing their dreams of playing in the NFL for the first time, getting into these OTAs and camps and then training camps coming up in a few months. And I used to get asked a lot by like, young guys, like, hey, what's what, what's advice? Like, what, what should I do? What do I need to do in training camp to make the team? Things like that. I'd be like, dude, you need to stand out. These coaches are looking at guys every single day, right? They're watching tape. And do you want to be a guy that they're just watching? It's like, okay, right guard did his job, Right tackle did his job. You want to be a guy with like, who is this guy? Where are you separating yourself? Whether it's in the. You can separate yourself in the meeting room by being very cerebral, attentive, asking questions and being very involved in discussions, right? That's one way to do it. The one way that is guaranteed to separate it if you play harder than everybody else. And I know that's like a, It's

[Travis Kelce]

a moniker if you watch my college film. That's what got me the recognition. That's what got me to stand out.

[Jason Kelce]

If you finish to the echo of the whistle. If you go, if you're the last one to stop every play, every single scout, every single coach, everybody looking at the tape is going to be like, who the is that guy? Right? So I listen. I don't know what you want me to say. Yes, there's going to be limitations that everybody has. You're not going to be. Maybe you're not the best pass, blocker, maybe you're not the best run blocker. The one thing you have control over is your effort, right? Come into camp in shape and finish.

[Travis Kelce]

That's what I'm saying. The first thing I want to see is how much you love this game. How much do you want. How much do you. How much do you want to compete on every play? And don't get me wrong, there have been, you know, times in my career where I had to evaluate myself and be like, am I showing this? That play was unacceptable. That play is embarrassing. You know what I mean? And. And it's moments like that where you're just like, I got to get my going. And there are times where I've seen that on the biggest stages and I've been embarrassed.

[Jason Kelce]

We were playing. I forget what game, what year it was, but there was like a play, I think Carson was at quarterback, and the entire offensive line was just standing. And I just remember, like, what fuck am I doing? Like, why am I just standing? Is it because I'm tired? Is it because I thought the ball was gone? I have no fucking clue. All I know is that that's not acceptable. Right? So what do you do after practice? You go and run a couple. Like, you almost, like, punish yourself, or if you are out of shape, you get yourself in shape. Those are the only options. And then after every single drill, after a game like that, where I felt like, hey, I need to get better effort, I would go in and run 5 to 10 yards after each thing. It'd be annoying and it'd be stupid

[Travis Kelce]

sometimes, and I'm more tired in practice than anybody else. But I'm gonna. Yeah, 100%.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm gonna train myself and condition myself that this is the standard. This is how you react. Anyways, back to these young guys. You are marketing yourself each and every play. You are on the field to the coaches, to the scouts. And what Travis is saying is exactly right. Your competitiveness and how hard you go is going to be one of the things I.e. aBS. Every coach is going to love is

[Travis Kelce]

feening for their feet. They're drooling to Find a guy like that.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Now, you got to be able to be good enough to. That's not alone, but you want to make the team. That's a damn good start, and that's something you can control.

[Travis Kelce]

All that shit is infectious when you get guys flying around on defense and everybody's at the ball and everybody's getting excited for the guys that's making the big hit. You watched Seattle's defense last year.

[Jason Kelce]

Year.

[Travis Kelce]

Those guys loved each other, man. Those guys. Every single tackle was a celebration. Granted, they were making some big hits and making some big tackles and rally into the football, but the 49ers have done it in years past. When the. When our defense is. Is. Is at the top, I see it. It's infectious, and I see that on the defensive side of the ball. I'm excited as a. As a player that's on that team, I. I'm gonna match that energy on. On the offensive side when I get a first down or I get a big catch.

[Jason Kelce]

Having great players obviously matters, but I do think that, like, half of being good on defense is just playing relentless energy and rallying to the ball. Right? And coaches preach it, but, dude, if you guys are truly doing that, it is so hard to execute offensively. Now. You got bad players. You got bad players, but that's. That's a big component of it, and that's one common thing that all great defenses do have. Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

The one thing I always tell guys is, bro, understand the other side of the ball just as you. Just as good as you understand your side of the ball. Like, if I'm playing like the one. I think one of the coolest things that. That you specifically, you know, kind of taught me without even telling me, was you knew the defense because you played linebacker in. In that system. You know, I mean, when you. When at Cincinnati, when you move from linebacker to center, you understood gap assignment. You understood how. How safety rotation happens, how. How, like, if there's a rotation over here, something has to, you know, happen on the backside for everybody to be balanced and for a defense to be sound. And it's like when you understand what the other side of the ball is doing to the point where you could literally point out what guys are doing before the snap. It makes you play at a 4. If you're a 4,5 guy, it makes you play at a 4,3. It makes. If you're a 4,7 guy, it makes you play at A 4,5. You know what I mean? Because you're more alert and more precise with your movement. And there's no wasted time. And it's like. And it's like, when you find guys that it's working faster up here. You know what I mean? Whether they're a 4, 3 guy or a 45 guy or a 47 guy. Like, I was like, like, what. When. When you find guys that are making it happen faster here, the timing of the offense, the. The. The ability to be there before the ball on defense, the natural instincts that you have. And you're training instincts. You're training your mind to think fast. You're training your mind to not only

[Jason Kelce]

just go, but not even think. Just go.

[Travis Kelce]

But that's the thing.

[Charlize Theron]

And.

[Travis Kelce]

And you're reacting. And in practice and in. In film study, you're creating these instincts to be able to. When you recognize something, you're immediately doing something to react to that to benefit you. That's one of the biggest things for me when I'm watching film and seeing what guys are doing or really evaluating myself is like, how am. How am I using the ability to understand things at a high level to play faster, especially at, you know, you're getting later in your career, and the body just doesn't move like it used to.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude, I wish I knew what I knew late in my career when I was early. You know what I mean? What's crazy about offensive line? I got better as I got older and more unathletic, which is kind of crazy. It's not the way it's supposed to work. You're supposed to. I didn't make a all Pro until I was 28 or 29 or whatever it was. Right. Like, I'd made it all after my prime. But that brings back memory to me. Kobe Bryant came and talked to Our team in 2017, the year before that. We went to the super bowl that year.

[Travis Kelce]

Subtle flex. Subtle flex.

[Jason Kelce]

Okay. And normally I'm not a huge fan of, like, basketball relations to football. Like, I think it's a different sport. And anyways, Doug had Kobe coming to talk to the team, and he said a couple things that he said. One thing that resonated with most people, and they said, you know, what's your mindset in the game? Somebody asked him something along that lines. He said, I wanted to make the guy across from me quit. I wanted to make the guy across from me not want to play basketball. And I remember everybody being amazed at that statement. And the guy said, how did you get. What would you. What advice would you give to any young player? And Kobe said, you know, be curious. Try and Learn as much as you can.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

And all of these fucking idiots were talking about how cool it was that he wanted to make the other guy quit. And I'm like, what do you, what do I do with that? There's nothing I gained from having that piece of information. How about be curious is such a awesome way to say knowledge is power, man. Learn as much as you can on how you're supposed to operate on what the guys around you are operating on and what the defense. Having all of that knowledge is going to help you be such a better player. High level executives are like, oh man, he wants to make the guy crossroom quick, cool. What the fuck do I do with that? How did he get to be such a good.

[Travis Kelce]

How did he make him quit? You know, I mean, no, he made him quit because he was so good and a step ahead of his guy that it felt like there was nothing the guy in front of him could do to fucking stop him.

[Jason Kelce]

It was such a profound disconnect with like, how did you guys hear those two statements? And that was the one that you're like, that's going to really change my game.

[Travis Kelce]

But the curious part is like, it's not just like hearing the your game plan. It's not just understanding the defense's like scheme. It's like you're being curious on like, oh, well, if they do have the one coverage that might stop this play, how would I still beat it? How can I manipulate them to open up a window? Or how can I beat this defender up to get myself open in time with the quarterback? And it's just like being curious isn't just doing the job, it's finding what those problem solving is. Exactly. It's problem solving with problems that don't seem like they can be solved at this time, but it's having the creativity and the curiosity to go out there and try it, at least to get it done.

[Jason Kelce]

There's a guy I'm going to give some love. He was later on pick. Brandon knows him because he's a fucking UT guy and he loves everybody from Texas. Moro Jomo used to drive the offensive line crazy on scout team. He would ask questions constantly, like, hey man, what do you think about this? What if I did that? Why do you do this on this play? Why do you do that? That guy has developed so much as a player because he's built up such a knowledge early in his career and he had a great year last year. I anticipate him continuing to play well and he is maximizing what he has. And stout. You say it all the time. Knowledge is power. And just like you're saying we're not just running routes on a paper, we're trying to know why are we running this route? Why does the quarterback want us there? Why is. Why am I going there? All of these things you're trying to have answers to and trying to, like, become the best. Allow that information to take your game to another level. So, yeah, be curious and play harder than everybody else. That's the note to all the draft picks that are going into camp. Those two things dominate those two. Well, I guess if you all do it, somebody's gonna get cut. But either way, that's how I would approach it.

[Travis Kelce]

You'll find a way on another team. It'll show. It'll show on film.

[Brandon]

Coach Mo, my guy, dude.

[Jason Kelce]

That guy would ask so many questions and so many guys would be like, dude, Will Morrow, just shut the up.

[Travis Kelce]

If you're actually, like, using them, I love it. If you just got a dumbass that when you tell him something, he's like, yeah, like, we don't.

[Brandon]

We don't make those kind of players at the University of Texas. So don't. So don't. Let's not start that.

[Travis Kelce]

Let's just be fair. Jamal Charles didn't ask questions.

[Brandon]

He didn't fucking have to. Jamal didn't have to ask questions.

[Travis Kelce]

Give Jamal the ball.

[Brandon]

Am I getting the ball? Question answered. Thank you.

[Jason Kelce]

It's very rare for a running back to be a question asker.

[Brandon]

Jamal and I were at school at the same time and he was generally one of the nicest people. That's my only story of him. I met him a couple times. Generally nicest dude. He was very much mobbed by students, but was always very kind about it and very nice to all of us. So thank you.

[Travis Kelce]

He's the greatest, man.

[Brandon]

Unlike Kevin Durant, who wouldn't even high five me one time. You

[Jason Kelce]

don't shy LaBeouf this. I don't want to hear this. Mike Piazza. Yeah,

[Travis Kelce]

I. With kd.

[Brandon]

No, he's cool. I just. I went for the high five and he, like looked at me and was

[Travis Kelce]

like, by the way, that's fair. I so obviously watching KD are like entire growing up and everything and where

[Brandon]

we going with this?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

Watching him at UT was unbelievable, right?

[Brandon]

It was electric, dude.

[Travis Kelce]

It was electric. There was nobody. There was nobody in college that looked that could play like. That could compete like that. Goes to the league. Thunder KD or Seattle. KD to Thunder kd. I'm like, man, this guy is just lighting this up. And I. And I had given him the respect. In my mind, like, this dude is like one of the best players in the league. But it was always like, on ESPN, it was always LeBron, it was always Kobe, it was always Stephen, bro. He went to Golden State. And I saw that man live in action, bro. He is top five were the best players ever to play in the NBA. Seeing a seven footer run around crossing everybody up like that, chucking threes, dunking on anybody, bro. Fat. Seeing the floor like that, I'm like, bro, I thought LeBron was like the only one, bro. No, this dude was out here just owning every aspect of the floor. And I was just like, holy.

[Brandon]

Have you watched. I know we're rambling here, but have you watched WIMBY at all this year?

[Travis Kelce]

It's not as impressive because kd. KD was so quick.

[Brandon]

I agree.

[Travis Kelce]

To be that tall.

[Brandon]

It's a little eight hitting fatal threes.

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

And that's impressive, don't get me wrong. But that's. You don't. I mean, you like. It's like the modern day Kareem with the hook shot. It's. There's just nothing you can do.

[Jason Kelce]

Wemby's got to get some shoes that don't collapse on his ankles. I mean, what are we doing here? I don't what happened. I. Every time I watch that guy run and cut, like, his shoe looks like it's about to explode. I'm like, dude, we got to get this guy some better ship footwear. It's not working out. Get on it. Do you not notice this with wimby?

[Travis Kelce]

I mean, it's every NBA player. If you take a screenshot of when they're like crossing over or something, it's like their ankle is on the ground, dude. It's insane.

[Jason Kelce]

I feel like it stands out, especially with that dude.

[Travis Kelce]

It's all this new light material. Never saw Jordan's ankle on the floor.

[Jason Kelce]

Who is the most dominant college player?

[Travis Kelce]

The most dominant college player, man. I mean, I'm a. I'm a highflying action kind of guy. So I like the dudes that are just dunking on everybody like a Blake Griffin, man. That dude in college. Oh, my God.

[Jason Kelce]

Beast.

[Brandon]

I saw. I saw him play, too. Yeah, that was insane. Dude, he was so large and he jumped so high.

[Travis Kelce]

Like robot in a jersey. Just NBA hang time, jamming on everybody, dude, I don't know why.

[Jason Kelce]

And maybe tell me how off I am because I'm not like the Most college basketball knowledgeable human being. But. And maybe it's just because it timed up right in my, like, heart of like sports fandom basically. But I feel like Carmelo Anthony when he was at Syracuse was insane.

[Travis Kelce]

Melo was another one dude. He kind of had that like, bro, he's like six, nine in person. Like what? Like I'm like looking up at mellow like this when I see him.

[Jason Kelce]

Like you were moving on the basketball court like that.

[Travis Kelce]

What the.

[Jason Kelce]

I still remember that year at Syracuse.

[Travis Kelce]

Smoothest jumper.

[Brandon]

That was beautiful.

[Jason Kelce]

Bunch of college basketball truthers will probably all over.

[Travis Kelce]

You can't on those. Both of those guys won championships. Yeah.

[Brandon]

There's gonna be somebody we're forgetting that they're gonna on us for. And I'm fine with that.

[Jason Kelce]

A guy that was electric when we were in college. Trav and won me my bracket competition was Kemba Walker at Yukon.

[Travis Kelce]

Kemba shout out to Kemba and Yukon. The crossover at the Big east tournament. Buzzer beater. Holy. Was it. I think it was Big east tournament. It might have been March Madness. They might have stopped. It's marked madness.

[Jason Kelce]

Was the crossover.

[Brandon]

I think Kimba was. Was the step was March Madness.

[Jake]

It was the Biggies tournament.

[Travis Kelce]

Thank you, Jake. I knew, I knew, I knew, I knew.

[Jake]

And it wasn't even the championship of the Biggies tournament.

[Brandon]

Well, that's why Jake knows it was at the Garden. That's why he knows.

[Travis Kelce]

Well, that's why I knew too. I always wanted to play in the Garden.

[Brandon]

Still time.

[Travis Kelce]

You're right. I still. I could still manipulate my way in there. What position would I play? What. What would a six? Five. Two. Five, five.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, dude, you gotta just be. You gotta be. You gotta. You gotta just be energy off the bench at this point.

[Brandon]

All heart.

[Travis Kelce]

That guy.

[Jason Kelce]

You got to be the guy standing out at the end of the tape session.

[Travis Kelce]

You gotta be that guy. Gotta stand out. I'm diving at everyone's elbows up on

[Brandon]

the rebounds kind of guy. Get in there.

[Jason Kelce]

You got to do all the old man tricks. Like they go up for the jumper, pull the shorts down. Could you imagine

[Travis Kelce]

give a guy a wet willie as the shots going up just so I can get good box out.

[Jason Kelce]

Just like making the star player just annoyed the entire time. Just like fucking with his equipment. Stepping on his back of his shoe so his heel comes out like doing all the little. Lance Stevenson.

[Travis Kelce]

Lance Stevenson.

[Jason Kelce]

Dudes. Lance Stevenson blowing on LeBron. That's what it is, bro.

[Brandon]

You gotta call Lance.

[Travis Kelce]

Get back in the crazy crossover over in mid range.

[Jason Kelce]

Though. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Okay. Other than that, you basically are what I've always thought of you as Lance Stevenson type out of here.

[Travis Kelce]

All right, well, for the last bit of NFL news going into the draft, the Eagles still might be trading A.J. brown to the Patriots.

[Jason Kelce]

So, yeah, I mean, listen, not that surprising, right? I think this has been, you know, something that has been rumored all off season. I think a lot of times, too, you can tell by the way teams answer questions. Like, generally, when teams shut down, trade talk right away is like, that's a guy that they're trying to keep. In general, they're always listening to offers. Like, as a team, you kind of have to be willing to do that.

[Travis Kelce]

Any good GM Isn't just gonna fucking shoot it down. They're gonna hear what the fucking offer is.

[Jason Kelce]

But at the same time, teams that aren't interested in moving players, they don't say that to the public. Like, yeah, no, we're sticking behind our guy. Like, we're not doing that. It's been pretty apparent to anybody that's

[Travis Kelce]

been following this, if both sides want to move on.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, I think that there's.

[Travis Kelce]

I think that there is a speculation, allegedly, both sides.

[Jason Kelce]

I think that there's a willingness to move on for the right price from the Eagles if teams are willing to match what would be a fair asking price for the level of talent that A.J. brown is. That's just kind of the way that all the news has been coming out about this. And June 1st happens to be the day where there's a different, like. Like, cap hit to the Eagles. If they do move on from A.J. i want to say this. I. I think that A.J. brown was not the issue with the offense of the Philadelphia Eagles, and he's a major piece that is a very good player. So at the end of the day, I think it's a net loss. Losing A.J. brown. I think it'll be apparent wherever he ends up, he's a great player. He was a disgruntled player with the way he was used and some of these other things, and I get that frustration. I think his teammates get a lot of the frustration as well, because you still have not seen a lot of negative comments or any negative comments come out from his teammates in the way A.J. brown handled last season. Was it frustrating for fans to watch at times? Yes. Obviously, they voiced that. At the end of the day, AJ Brown is a good teammate, a great player, and a guy that adds to an offense in a legitimate way. So if it does get to this, it's not. It Sucks, Right? But it has been something that has been rumored. I think we'll get some answers too with how the Eagles handle the draft this week. Right. If they draft a receiver early, that's that kind of tells you they plan on doing something. You know, they go out and sign Hollywood Brown, they have Devonte Smith, they have A.J. brown. You're probably not drafting a receiver that high with all three of those guys in the receiver room pretty set. So you draft somebody pretty high, you're probably thinking Something's happening June 1st. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go in general. Like, you know, obviously offensive line is a position that they've speculated on. Lane Johnson's getting older. I happen to think Lane has a lot of football left if he wants to play. I think, you know, defensive end edge rusher, obviously. We just talked about receiver. It'll be interesting to see where the Eagles go, especially early in the draft, who's available and what they value most and kind of upgrading at Nice.

[Travis Kelce]

Well, it's the draft, baby. I'm fucking pumped for it. I know the entire world is pumped for it. I can't wait to see what Brett Veach does. And I know the Eagles are are itching at the bit to get Thursday so they can see who they they're picking in that first round.

[Jason Kelce]

No thanks. Is there anything else we wanted to touch on in the draft? Got Fernando Mendoza looking like he's going to be 1 overall. Maybe, I don't know. Has that already been announced? I don't follow this. I as a rule, I get more interested after everybody's been picked. I'm excited. I watched the draft, but I really don't put in a lot of effort until like hey, now who's on the team? And the like, who are we dealing with? And I think it'd be cool to do some tape breakdowns of some of these guys and where they could be used. We have been doing more tape breakdown. Maybe we do some offensive line. I'm game guys we're excited about maybe some tight ends or receivers. You game for that trail?

[Travis Kelce]

Always game to do a little tight end receiver breakdown.

[Jason Kelce]

Do you think, do you think you break down quarterbacks?

[Travis Kelce]

Yes, 100, 1,000%.

[Jason Kelce]

What's your number one thing you're looking for in a quarterback? Accuracy.

[Travis Kelce]

Does he drink beers?

[Jason Kelce]

Dude, I will say this so seriously, I know you're joking around a little bit.

[Travis Kelce]

A little. Just a little bit.

[Jason Kelce]

But here's the thing. So Marcus Spears, my good friend with ESPN swagu, said to Be like a great quarterback. You got to be the guy. And he said it very apparent at one point, and he definitely needs to be able to throw the ball well as well. What do you think it is about quarterbacks in particular? Like, why that means more at it. You know what I mean?

[Travis Kelce]

I think it's not necessarily just so,

[Jason Kelce]

you know, we're saying having beers. We're joking about having beers. Although it is kind of true. It's more about, like, the camaraderie that happens.

[Travis Kelce]

Effort to hang outside of the.

[Jason Kelce]

Creating relationships. Exactly, yes. Why is that so much more important at that position? Is it because you're in charge of communicating with all these pieces and, like, choreographing it all together? Like, why.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Is it a quarterback that it seems like it's more important than others?

[Travis Kelce]

I don't know. I think. And this is where. Where. It's not always about the beers. It's about just being a guy that wants to be around your teammates, wants to be around the people in the building, outside of the building. And I think getting. Getting that chemistry, understanding who the people are, that becomes like, one of, like, the. How do I want to put this? I guess I've never even thought of it in a way like this. When you spend that time and you make that effort to know somebody that much more, you play a little harder for the guy. You listen to. You listen to a little bit more of what he's saying. You understand a little bit more what he's saying to another degree. And I think. I think that's just, you know, the camaraderie that comes with sports. When. When a team's at the end of the season is hosting the Lombardi, that team feels like one. Everybody on that podium holding that Lombardi up feels like they're passing it to a brother, feels like they're passing it to an extended relative. And I think those teams, Seattle Seahawks, you could tell how they played the game, that all those guys loved each other. And the teams that I've been on that have been the best, maybe not have had the. The most talented position on the field at every single position, but we loved each other. We knew how to play together, and. And we fed off of each other in that regard. And it's those. And then we say beers. I'm gonna keep saying beers. It doesn't necessarily mean beers, but it's those beers you have. Have outside of the facility that brings everybody a little bit closer. You need to have as a team an opportunity to create those moments.

[Jason Kelce]

Like, I'VE gone on teams, too, where, like, it's like, oh, we're gonna go to, like, an escape room. And don't get me wrong. I love escape rooms. I don't feel like I'm, like, getting anywhere near the bond of going to an escape room.

[Travis Kelce]

I want to kill myself. If you ever put me in. I'm probably not even gonna jump. Like, all right, I'll see you guys on the offense next week.

[Jason Kelce]

This is why the. This is why San Francisco didn't draft you because you don't like escape rooms.

[Travis Kelce]

Travis. Yeah, that was Washington, but, yes.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, sorry.

[Travis Kelce]

They went with Jordan Reed instead.

[Jason Kelce]

Now they just sent 30. Top 30.

[Travis Kelce]

Life or death situation.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, he's over at the piano. What a idiot.

[Travis Kelce]

Last thing before we get to our guests. We've got a very special edition of no Dumb Questions that we've been waiting to show you. This edition of no Dumb Questions is brought to you by Allstate.

[Charlize Theron]

Hi, Jason and Travis.

[Travis Kelce]

Hi.

[Charlize Theron]

I need some advice. My husband is a lifelong jets fan, and I need advice because I just found out I'm pregnant, and I don't know how to prepare my kid for a lifetime of disappointment.

[Jason Kelce]

Love you. Oh, congrats. That's great. J. Catch up.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Jason Kelce]

That is awesome. Yeah, man.

[Jake]

So any advice on preparing a kid for a lifetime of jets fan?

[Jason Kelce]

My advice that I give everybody is don't listen to anybody that wants to give you advice.

[Jake]

Awesome.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, no, every kid's different. You'll figure it out. You're a smart guy.

[Jake]

I hope so.

[Jason Kelce]

What do you know? Sex. How?

[Jake]

Find out in a week.

[Jason Kelce]

We have to hold this.

[Jake]

We can't, like, tell people, but I wanted to tell you guys person.

[Travis Kelce]

This is awesome.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude.

[Travis Kelce]

Are you kidding me? I'm always, like, three days late on, like, figuring out what the just happened. My brother, when he told me about

[Jason Kelce]

his firstborn, the moment it said, my husband is a Jets fan, I knew who it was.

[Travis Kelce]

Hilarious. I'm over here opening a humidor, and there's, like, two boots. And I'm like, why the are there, like, baby socks? And then I look up at Kylie, I'm like, thanks for the humidor, but what the are these? Congrats, dude.

[Jake]

Thank you.

[Travis Kelce]

That's awesome.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. So you find out in a week.

[Jake]

Find out in a week what we're having.

[Jason Kelce]

That's awesome. Yes. Congrats. Very cool. Very cool. Make sure you eat during. I mean, we've already shared.

[Jake]

Yes, yes.

[Jason Kelce]

But yes.

[Jake]

And bring a fan.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, I mean, if you like fans.

[Travis Kelce]

Yes.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know what? You kind of sleeper you are, but.

[Jake]

Yes, yes, I run hot.

[Jason Kelce]

There you go. Then bring the fuck fan.

[Travis Kelce]

And we're good.

[Jason Kelce]

All right.

[Jake]

Thanks, guys.

[Travis Kelce]

Awesome stuff, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Let's go.

[Travis Kelce]

Congrats, Jay. Congrats, M. That's right.

[Jason Kelce]

Congrats. And so what should Emily do? Should the baby be allowed to pick their own team or are they a Jets fan? That's the question we want answered.

[Travis Kelce]

Stay strong, Jake. Stay strong, Jake.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, listen you. The baby's always. The kid's always going to pick. But as a dad, you can influence that kind of fandom for sure. You just buy him some jets things, right?

[Travis Kelce]

Show them.

[Jason Kelce]

You just put games on Joe Namath.

[Travis Kelce]

Look, like back in the day, it was.

[Jason Kelce]

Put some exciting jets games on from like 40 years ago. Get some John Clicko tape out.

[Jake]

We went to the playoffs in my lifetime. I will be. I will be showing our daughter those tapes and she can pretend like hopefully by the time she's interested into football, the jets are good. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Jason Kelce]

What's the teacher's name again that introduced you to jets epi?

[Jake]

Yes.

[Jason Kelce]

Get. Get. Get Teacher EPI down there. Yes.

[Jake]

She will help out.

[Jason Kelce]

Make it full circle.

[Jake]

Yes.

[Jason Kelce]

Teach another Chad Ski generation the jets way.

[Jake]

Yes, we will. We will be sworn into misery for the rest of our.

[Jason Kelce]

Our family.

[Travis Kelce]

Positive. Gotta stay positive. Gotta.

[Jason Kelce]

Positive next year.

[Jake]

Next year's the year. It's always the year. I'm gonna raise a young optimist. I can't wait.

[Jason Kelce]

Perfect.

[Travis Kelce]

That's all you could ask for. Good luck to your jets on draft day.

[Jason Kelce]

How is. Whoa. That was so. Bring. Bring Jake back in here. So. That was a while ago. How is. How is Emily doing?

[Jake]

She's doing well. We're. We're about halfway through. We had the anatomy scan earlier this week, which was crazy, but everything's great.

[Travis Kelce]

She.

[Jake]

She's a rock star. I bring her in, but she's like, actively working still and doing her job, which is much more serious than mine, but she's doing great. I'm doing whatever I can, and she's doing a lot more, so I. I can't. I can't say that I'm like a rock star, but she absolutely is.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh, give yourself some credit, bud.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. You're our rock star.

[Travis Kelce]

Appreciate it. Appreciate you, dude. Wishing you the best and a healthy, healthy next couple months, man.

[Jake]

Thank you, guys. Can't wait.

[Travis Kelce]

Wait.

[Jake]

I'll keep you posted.

[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Jake]

Any baby brands, strollers, listening that want to sponsor?

[Brandon]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

All right, let's get to our convo with Charlize Theron. This combo is brought to you by Reese's. Our guest today is an actress producer from South Africa. She's got a Golden Globe, two Critics Choice Awards and an Academy Award. She was named one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people. You know her from her roles in the Italian Job, Monster, Mad Max, Fury Road, Atomic Blonde, the Old Guard, and Fast and Furious, as well as her new film coming out to Netflix April 24th. Apex 92 percenters, please give a warm welcome to Charlie Staron. Go on. That's the flex.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh, that's good. I was. I was hoping you would give me a big one like that. I hear you give other guests big ones. I was like, I better get a really big one.

[Travis Kelce]

We're listen them all.

[Jason Kelce]

Never hold back.

[Travis Kelce]

We listen them all. You were showing off those muscles. This movie is unbelievable. It's such a flex in itself. You were doing a lot of the stunts, I heard.

[Charlize Theron]

I do a lot of the action. Yeah. I do all of the climbing in. It is me.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

Some of the kayaking is not me. I was not a great kayaker.

[Jason Kelce]

Not a.

[Charlize Theron]

They shot. They shot with these two Olympic gold medalists in New Zealand and did all the. Which the kayak stuff is great though, right? It's. I've never seen people do stuff like that with a kayak. These two women were just unbelievable. But, yeah, I do everything else. I do everything else that's in the movie. I do.

[Travis Kelce]

That's so impressive.

[Jason Kelce]

That's awesome.

[Charlize Theron]

Or stupid.

[Jason Kelce]

A lot of times those go hand in hand. I was going to ask you, do you think you have.

[Charlize Theron]

You need the stupid and the crazy to get to greatness?

[Jason Kelce]

There you go.

[Travis Kelce]

You gotta get a little crazy out here. Do you do it for the thrill or do you do it for the shot? Or do you like. What's the Madness behind wanting to do

[Charlize Theron]

all the action stuff, because I think good action movies work when you're telling the story through the action. It's not like the movie stops and you have an action scene and then the movie picks up again. I like action movies where the action is part of the story. You don't understand the story unless you actually see the action. And that kind of physical storytelling I really love. I was a dancer for the first part of my life, and so I was a storyteller that way. And when I started making movies, it was all very verbal and great. But then I really got a chance to do a big movie called Mad Fury Road, and I.

[Travis Kelce]

We're familiar.

[Jason Kelce]

Fantastic as well. Yes.

[Charlize Theron]

I fell in love with using my body again. And so it kind of like. Like, made a. A real effort to develop a couple of projects for myself to do that. So that's how I think of it. I think of it as well, this part of the story we have to now tell. And it's physical. Like, how the am I going to get up this hill without him shooting at me and hitting me? Like, how am I going to do that?

[Travis Kelce]

So cool.

[Jason Kelce]

It is physical and it is badass. These are badass female roles in, like, the fullest extent. And this one in particular, Taylor, telling the story through the action, you feel like what the character is going through. It's pretty remarkable.

[Travis Kelce]

My heart's racing with you.

[Jason Kelce]

The last scene, I. I have, like, a natural fear of, like, heights.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh, really?

[Jason Kelce]

Sometimes I get that, yes. Especially on the side of, like, cliffs, for sure. Like, even just a camera looking out. I'm in my couch. I know that I shouldn't be sweating, but I just start sweating. It's a visceral movie.

[Charlize Theron]

You know, that last climb, the. The final. I'll, like, climb up when I get on the top, and I'm exhausted and everything. That climb, that end, that last bit coming over, we shot that on an actual, like, a real face. And it was, I think, more than 60ft down. And there was no. You couldn't put mats or anything down. It was a real hang. So they had to drop me on a. On a very, very thick, secure safety rope. But that's all they could put me on. They couldn't put me on wires or anything like that because we were just in the bush. And so I had to. This was by far the scariest thing that I did. And everybody thinks it's the cliff dive, but I'm like, no, that was fun. Even though it was only six feet of Water. But every time I did that drive, I was like, I'm getting more sand and sand into my wetsuit. I'm getting closer and closer to that bottom.

[Jason Kelce]

Him.

[Charlize Theron]

But that last climb, I had to basically get myself down. So you see this drop and I don't have like a great fear of heights, but I'm also not like incredibly brave, you know, I'm like, this is probably not very.

[Jason Kelce]

You have an appropriate fear when you're 60ft over a cliff.

[Travis Kelce]

You're crazy enough to do it. That's half the fun.

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah, exactly. I think we've come this far. I have to finish this now. So I, I'm dropping myself. I'm trying not to look down. I'm like climbing and kind of scraping my body down so I'm out of the shot of the camera. And then I have to on action, climb that last bit up, which is pretty steep. And it's overhang.

[Travis Kelce]

Oh my gosh.

[Charlize Theron]

That was one of the physically the hard. And I was. Towards the end of the movie, I was so tired. And I just remember pulling myself up there the third time and I just went, this is fucking insane. Like, this is absolutely insane. And in the movie I kind of have a bit of a giggle and that he kept it in, but that was literally me on the third takeover. I'm like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, this is so crazy.

[Jason Kelce]

It fit very well. Yeah, absolutely.

[Travis Kelce]

Is a lot of this accident like that, that kind of that fearlessness that you have to find in yourself, was that a part of like wanting to be a part of this role or.

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah, I mean, I like, I like this movie a lot because I thought that it wasn't contrived at all. It was very straightforward. You know, you have a girl, she goes into the wild, she meets a guy, he ends up being a serial killer and the chase is on. And I like something about. When I read the script, I loved the simplicity of that engine that drove it. And then I liked the idea of within that, that it could be a two hander where you can get into more of the psychological warfare or the psychological action. Like I love movies like Die Hard where it's simple. Like you get it. It's like there's a Christmas party and shit goes wrong, you know?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

I love it.

[Charlize Theron]

And I like, I love those movies. And I felt the same about this. I was like, wow. I just, you know, you gotta stay alive. You gotta try and get out of this. And hopefully you do. Good luck. Go.

[Jason Kelce]

It is a nail biter. Every step of the way. Always on the edge of your seat. It combines, like, so many movies in my head, like, of great parts of them, like Cliffhanger or, like, free solo Deliverance. Like, I, I. There's, like, who isn't terrified of being in the middle of nowhere with a bunch of people playing, like, banjos and whatnot? But no banjos in this one.

[Charlize Theron]

No, no banjos in this one. But y. Amazing how beautiful places can become this. Most scary places. Right? Places where people go and hike and they have these beautiful, like, Sunday mornings can end up, you know, being where somebody dies.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Travis Kelce]

Terrifying.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes.

[Travis Kelce]

I will say this, though. Taran Edon absolutely rocks it with you. He's awesome as well. The first time he did his animal noise, did that, you up. Did it, like, catch you off guard? Out off guard. It caught me off guard every single time he did it.

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah, he, yeah, that was truly frightening. And he came up with that kind of, like, I think a week before we started shooting because he had this. He. He kept saying things like, I think of him as someone that has, like, Peter Pan syndrome. And it was such a great way to look at the character. You know, this, like, little boy who's, like, trying to, like, be a man in nature, but he's just fucking sick.

[Travis Kelce]

You're doing it, then.

[Jason Kelce]

You're doing it. You're really doing it.

[Charlize Theron]

Look at me. I can get water out of a tree. Like, okay, whatever. But I. I remember we did the first chase, and he was. He did one of those bird sounds, and it scared the out of me. Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

Is something really out here chasing me? What the is that?

[Charlize Theron]

And there's. There's a reaction shot, actually, when. The first time he does it, when he starts the song and he says, you. You have this song to get away from me. And then he does the. The bird sound. And that is. That reaction is, is. I was like, fuck me. Like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. I gotta get the fuck out.

[Jason Kelce]

Why are you that good at this?

[Charlize Theron]

He's so amazing in the movie. I think he brings, like, a whole new twist to this, you know, I think serial killer movies are. I love them. I'm obsessed with serial killer movies. I think you also want to. I think because I'm so obsessed with real serial killers, there's so much variety to pick from.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Charlize Theron]

It's not always the tropey thing where, you know, you're telling the story and this is why. And you're trying to justify or say why. He's like. Likes to Cut women's heads off. And we didn't want to do that story. We really wanted to just tell a story that's in the moment. It's happening. And we're not getting into, you know, too much of a history about where he. Why he's doing all these horrible things, which I like as well, because then he becomes. He stays very scary. You. You don't understand him.

[Jason Kelce]

I agree. It's scarier when you don't know why he's doing that. Like, I think at one point. Point, Sasha, like, your character even tries to, like, say the. That I don't want to give away too much of the movie, but, yeah, you try to, like, get that out of him or, like, play on that, and he just. He shuts it down right away. Like, no, I'm just a psychopath. There's nothing deeper here. It's not as deep as you're trying to make it out. Yeah.

[Jake]

Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

He's like, but can I hug you?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

I love that moment, too, because she's. She's obviously all she has left is how she can psychologically maybe talk herself out of this situation. And I love that he doesn't go down that route. Yeah. And that I have to kind of come up with something else very quick on the. On the fly. I'm so glad you guys loved the movie. I really. You know, I haven't. This is my favorite, favorite movie I've ever made.

[Jason Kelce]

What?

[Travis Kelce]

You made some bangers? I was like, this is cool to hear.

[Charlize Theron]

I know. So in 30 years, I've made a lot of movies, and I've loved all of them for different reasons. But there's something about this movie that. The way we shot it, where we shot it, just the time in my life when I needed to go and find something where I could just immerse myself into a world. And. And this. This movie was everything that I wanted, and then the end result was everything that I hoped for before we went to go do it. And so it's really nice to hear how much you guys are responding to it, too, because I fucking just. I loved making this movie so much.

[Travis Kelce]

That's so awesome. Fuck it.

[Jason Kelce]

Very cool. Yeah. I think it's going to be highly regarded that comes out on Netflix coming up here. It's. You did a great job. You should be proud of it.

[Charlize Theron]

Thank you. That's so nice. Nice.

[Jason Kelce]

You guys, you were also a producer on mine, so you really are just all about the serial killers.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah. Are we watching Dateline every night or what's the where are we getting our fix for this now?

[Charlize Theron]

Let me wrong with that. I have fallen asleep to Dateline before. Yeah. Mindhunter was a story that I heard about when I did Monster, when I played Eileen Warnos, who was considered a serial killer. And I kept hearing about this guy, John Douglas. John Douglas. He was the first behavioral science guy. And. And he is really the one that came up with profiling, which was a really big thing that he brought to the FBI. And they really fought it for years because they were like, I don't want to hear about this Monster's mom. Like, don't tell me. But he had a way of kind of looking at the history of these people. And he profiled a lot of prolific serial killers, actually through just knowing more about them. And so I read one of his books. He has many books, and he's a very, very interesting guy. And he just always as such a fascinating guy because he's like, always in like a nice suit, you know, he wasn't like. He was like the last guy that you would imagine would go to Rikers and want to sit down with serial killers and know more about them. So he was a great character. But, yeah, we did two seasons with David Fincher, and it was one of those things that I was very proud of. I absolutely love what we did with it. And it is. It's a serial killer story that really very rarely shows you the serial killer doing the act. It really was the academia behind and how serial killers, real serial killers were. They were part of that academia being found, you know, sitting down with them. That's how they built their knowledge for profiling, which I just thought was fascinating.

[Travis Kelce]

That is fascinating.

[Jason Kelce]

Fantastic. Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

You guys don't like serial killers? Well, I. I like.

[Jason Kelce]

I will sit down.

[Travis Kelce]

A lot of them come from Ohio, so I like trying to.

[Jason Kelce]

Jeffrey. Try not Jeffrey. Dmer. Yeah. Oh, my God, that's right.

[Charlize Theron]

So you guys see it in real life.

[Travis Kelce]

Got it everyday thing. So we tried to stay out of it.

[Jason Kelce]

We narrowly escaped it. We narrowly escaped it.

[Travis Kelce]

Narrowly escaped trying to kill each other. Nice. Well, for the Movie, everybody. Netflix, April 24, apex. You gotta check it out, Charlize. Before we get you out of here, though, we got. We got some dumb questions to ask you. We have a dumb little, little game that we. We made up. And your movie resume is absolutely incredible. But we want to know how well you know those movies based off of some of the comments and reviews. We think this is a fun little game.

[Charlize Theron]

And comments and reviews.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

So we're gonna read A comment and you are gonna try and tell us which movie you think that comment is referencing.

[Charlize Theron]

That is really hard.

[Travis Kelce]

Hopefully we didn't make it that hard for you.

[Charlize Theron]

Let's.

[Travis Kelce]

Let's see.

[Jason Kelce]

First one is from Miriam. It is. I feel like I just got drop kicked in the cervix for 120 minutes straight. Which of your movies would elicit that comment from Miriam?

[Charlize Theron]

It's either.

[Jason Kelce]

It's five stars, by the way. Five stars.

[Charlize Theron]

Atomic Blonde or Tully.

[Jason Kelce]

She knows it. Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

All right. The next one is from Patrick Williams who also gave the movie 5 stars stars. A few movies in history have ever whipped quite this hard.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh my God.

[Jason Kelce]

It could be a number of them.

[Charlize Theron]

Whipped so hard. That doesn't. There was no. Wait a second.

[Jason Kelce]

I can't read. Which. Which movie do you think you. That right? No, you're right. That's the. You read correctly.

[Travis Kelce]

That was a tough one.

[Charlize Theron]

Part is. I mean, is it. Is it Mad Max?

[Jason Kelce]

It is Mad Max indeed.

[Travis Kelce]

Two for two.

[Jason Kelce]

There it is. Two for two. Whipped was the. The key word in that one.

[Charlize Theron]

There was a lot of leather in that movie. So that's why I.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, I think they're like whipped around. Whipped around. All right, here we go from Liam. F3 and a half star review. They were in Italy for 24 minutes.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh, the Italian Job.

[Travis Kelce]

Yes, the Italian Job.

[Jason Kelce]

That was an easy one. That's a gimme. All right, one more.

[Travis Kelce]

One more from Adam Bolt. All sex scenes from now on should have Al Pacino in the background cheering for participants.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh my God. That's devil's advocate.

[Jason Kelce]

That's an all time comment right there. Yes.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh my God, it sounds so wrong. But now don't you want to kind of see it? Yeah. This is the only way I have sex these days. Al,

[Jason Kelce]

Al, could you come in here please?

[Charlize Theron]

And he's lovely. He. He submits, he comes, he does it.

[Travis Kelce]

He's a good man.

[Jason Kelce]

Great feedback.

[Travis Kelce]

I heard he's a good man.

[Jason Kelce]

All righty. We got to ask. You got to do the opening ceremony at the Winter Olympics this year. How was that experience?

[Charlize Theron]

Oh my God, it was amazing. I. I was asked and I was kind of like, I don't know, I feel like I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb. And it's such a special moment for so many athletes who work so hard. But I really kind of connected to this, this, the idea of just kind of spreading a little bit of hope, you know. And I think I, I felt like it was a good stage to maybe do A little bit of that. I didn't want to go and like, feed anybody medicine. Hopefully I did. But I'm fortunate enough to come from a beautiful country with this great man who plays a big part in the freedom of South Africa, Nelson Mandela. And you just can't go wrong with a Nelson Mandela quote.

[Travis Kelce]

Nice.

[Charlize Theron]

So it was very easy on my part. I just threw a dart and anyone that it was gonna pick was gonna be a good quote. It is interesting that that quote was so many years ago and how relevant it is today.

[Jason Kelce]

Absolutely.

[Charlize Theron]

But it was a great experience. It was just amazing to be that close to something like that. You know, I just have such respect for athletes. I just think that the dedication and the hard work and the discipline that goes into sports is something to really kind of take your hat off to about. Like, it's a great thing. It's amazing.

[Jason Kelce]

And the Olympics in particular, like, once every four years, these athletes get the opportunity to go there and represent their country. It really is a special event that takes place, place on the national, worldwide scale.

[Charlize Theron]

And then you see the smallest thing go wrong and you're just like, I know it's because the state is so high. Right. If it wasn't the four year thing, it would be fine, right?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

When those skiers come down and they just, oh, my God, Lindsay Vaugh. I was like,

[Travis Kelce]

she's a warrior, though. To go back out there and at least give it one other question.

[Charlize Theron]

She's a maniac. When I trained for Atomic Blonde, I trained with the same trainer as her at the same gym. And I got to know her a little bit during that period and she is like, I'd show up so fucking exhausted. I'm like, what the. Who the fuck do I think I am that I'm gonna come into this

[Jason Kelce]

gym and like, I'm a martial arts

[Charlize Theron]

expert and get strong enough. And then she'd come in and I was just like, that's my inspiration. Just look at that. Do that. Just do that. Put your head down. Do that. But she's so lovely.

[Travis Kelce]

Do you have a favorite event in the Olympics or anything that's. That amazes you the most?

[Charlize Theron]

I like the ski. That skiing is pretty amazing. But I watched a lot of the figure skating because I have two young. I have a teenager, a 14 year old and an 11 year old. So we watched a lot of figure skating. They were very much into that.

[Travis Kelce]

That's awesome.

[Charlize Theron]

Which again, the same thing. It's like that one throw, that one, that one missed land. And you're just like, oh. And I was trying to explain it to my daughters because every time it happened, I was like, oh. And they're like, mom, it's okay. She's fine. I was like, no, she's not. No, no, we can't do this for another four years. She's fine. She's young. Mom, it's fine. Don't worry about it.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, and they make a mistake, and they just have to finish their routine. Like, in their head, they know it's over, all this training was done, but they don't gonna skate around for another minute and do the rest of it. Like, it's very admirable in that regard.

[Charlize Theron]

I don't know. It's like, you know you're probably gonna lose, right, Travis?

[Travis Kelce]

But you keep playing.

[Charlize Theron]

You gotta keep playing. That's.

[Travis Kelce]

You gotta just love it.

[Charlize Theron]

Real admiration for. Yeah, for that. With the smile on the face. And they still. They're giving the performance, but they know what it is.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Yes. And we. At least when we're out There, we have 11 other guys on the or 10 other guys on the field with us going through it together. Like, they're just mono. Like one person out there at a time, and it's like another level of bravery.

[Charlize Theron]

You guys have had that feeling, right? You've had that feeling where you're for sure.

[Jason Kelce]

I lost a Super bowl to my brother, and it was the worst pain on the planet. Yeah.

[Travis Kelce]

No, it was a beautiful moment, Jason. We were both on top of the mountain together.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, it was great.

[Charlize Theron]

He was hanging off the cliff, though.

[Jason Kelce]

That's right. That's right. I would have. That's a time where I wouldn't have been afraid of the cliff because I would have jumped straight off of it. That's right. You did just mention your two daughters. I. I have four under six right now. Four daughters.

[Charlize Theron]

How are you talking? How are you putting it?

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know if you heard a second ago, there was just something happening upstairs. I don't really know what I'm saying. Going to hear about it. Is there any advice? What. What do I have to look forward to? What. What should I do? It was just Travis and I growing up.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, it was just us, too.

[Charlize Theron]

Well, I was an only kid, so the whole sibling thing, to me, when they fight, I actually got worried. Like, I was like, am I not doing the right thing? Like, they're gonna kill each other. Because they're both very, very strong. Like, you know, like, they're not wallflowers and they're. They're stubborn and they're and they're just firecrackers. And so when they love, they love very hard. But. But when they fight, I'm like, oh, my God. Like, am I going to go to jail? Like, they won't stop. They get physical. And so I have to, like, call my friends up. Who my friend was like, are you kidding me? I had two sisters. I almost killed my sister. It's fine. Like, this is horrible. Nature does this beautiful thing where you think you're in your worst place right now so that you can cope with what you have. But from where I am, I can tell you that you're in a lovely place. And they're still lovely and sweet. And then one day, you're going to walk into their room around 11, and they're gonna just be like, why did you turn the lights on?

[Jason Kelce]

What is going on?

[Charlize Theron]

Like, yesterday morning, you wanted me to cuddle with you, and. And now you're yelling at me for turning the lights on. Yeah, they just turn into hormonal nightmares. Like, I'm getting my ass handed to me from the moment that I walk into the house. From the moment. And all these things are gonna serve them so well in life, but I might. They're going to be fine. Yeah. I am the one holding them back.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. I. That is what I'm worried about. I am terrified about that 11 through high school age range. I know it's going to be rough, and they're all going to be so tightly compact.

[Charlize Theron]

Why?

[Jason Kelce]

It just kicked me the other day. My oldest daughter, like, full on. I was doing a ghost sound, a scare on purpose, and she full on kicked me. And I'm like, listen, we do not. We do not hit each other. But in my head, I'm like, kind of love this.

[Charlize Theron]

He had the right reaction. You want your daughter to kick when somebody does that, Right?

[Jason Kelce]

She's got a survive. She got to survive Apex. There's a serial killer after one day. She's got to make it.

[Charlize Theron]

Mark my words.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

When they. When you. When you have the third one, hit 11, I promise you, you're going to have days where you just get in your car and drive around the block for like, an hour out of the house. It's what I call, like, a timeout. Like, I have to literally just leave the house right now.

[Travis Kelce]

Put yourself in timeout. Nice.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm going to go to the store. Anybody need anything? I'm just going to go make quick tips. All right.

[Travis Kelce]

You got one rule, Jason. Don't turn the lights on, man. All right, We Had Keanu Reeves on the show earlier this year. Another one of our favorites. And is it true you named your dog after Johnny Utah?

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah, I did, because I got. I. I adopted him in Utah. I was shooting a movie in Monument Valley, and Stray dog. Yeah. Ended up in my trailer, and I. So he was from Utah, and I wanted to do a little throwback, and I love Keon, who's a good friend, and I was like, yeah, how about that?

[Travis Kelce]

That's awesome.

[Charlize Theron]

So I always. I always. Yeah. He always went by both those names. How cool is that?

[Travis Kelce]

It's the best.

[Jason Kelce]

Have you done other movie names or, like, character names for pets?

[Charlize Theron]

No, I have not. My daughters now name all the animals that we have, so it's a lot of, like, Billy, Bobby, Bibby, Baba. Thank you.

[Travis Kelce]

Nicknames.

[Jason Kelce]

Yep.

[Travis Kelce]

Nothing but nicknames.

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah. Tiny, little cute names. I'm like, can we get, like, a tough name in here? Like, I. We have a farm, and I. We got some working dogs. And I was like, I'm get. I get to name one. I want to name just one dog.

[Jason Kelce]

And it was. What would you name a dog if

[Charlize Theron]

you could name it? I did name her after a movie. Oh, my God, I'm so tired.

[Travis Kelce]

What do you got?

[Charlize Theron]

I just named Ripley after Ripley Weaver. Yeah. Sigourney Weaver's character in Aliens.

[Travis Kelce]

Very cool.

[Jason Kelce]

That's awesome. That's a badass female character. Right?

[Charlize Theron]

We needed a badass name in there because it was a lot of, like, Billy Bowie, Booby.

[Jason Kelce]

We have a Pan Freddie. And then they're trying to call the new one Freddy. And I'm trying to go with something strong. German. It's a German shepherd. I'm thinking Gunda, like, Goondo. Or, like, it's got to be, like, a picture, like, and a big beer hall with steins walking through the. Oh, my God.

[Charlize Theron]

That's so funny. They like to put the E on the end on all of them, like, to make it cute. So what you do is they named one of the dogs Teddy, and now I just call him Ted, and it's really cool. I'm like, ted, let's go. Go to, like. I just. I just don't go. And he loves Ted. I can tell he likes it. Thank God for you. I'm not a Teddy. Thank you.

[Travis Kelce]

In 2014, you said climbing Mount Kilimanjaro was on your bucket list. Jason has actually climbed Mount Kilimanjaro. Have you done it? Is it still on the bucket list?

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah. No, I haven't done it because I have a. I Have two teenagers.

[Jason Kelce]

This is pre kids. Pre kids? Yeah.

[Charlize Theron]

Wait, what? Tell me the experience, was it, was it something that you wanted to do or was just by chance? You were so.

[Jason Kelce]

A good friend of mine that also played in the NFL, Chris Long has a foundation called water boys and they install wells in Africa and like places that they need clean drinking water and whatnot. And one of the things they do to raise money and awareness around the trip every year they kind of took a hiatus, but they did it again this year is he takes a bunch of veterans and NFL players over to Kilimanjaro, Tanzania and they hike on Kilimanjaro. So he had done it for a number of years. He had climbed, I think it at that point, four times. Like he's just a complete badass about it. And we were talking about it, a couple buddies did it the year before. I was like, you know what, I'll go do it. Thinking naively that it wasn't going to be that hard. And then just like got humbled so bad. I mean just like.

[Charlize Theron]

And it's.

[Jason Kelce]

This is like the most white collar clim, like mountain climb you can do. Right? Like, we have tons of support and like locals that are helping us up this mountain with like giving us water and food and tents are being set up. Like it's a very. If, if you're, if it's possible at all to get my fat ass up this mountain, this was the way to do it.

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Still on the last day, the summit day, you get up really early because you, the goal is to be at the summit for sunrise. Right. So you get up at like 12am and you just start hiking. You know, you got a six and a half, seven hour complete darkness.

[Charlize Theron]

Like just with a little headlight darkness.

[Jason Kelce]

You have the, you have the headlamp headlight in front of you. And the route that we went that time was very steep. So you can't even go straight up. You have to do skip backs. Right. You're like going sideways essentially so that you can go up this rock face.

[Charlize Theron]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

We finally get there and then we have another two hour walk around. But what I didn't know is once you get above, I think it's like the 18,000 foot or 17,000 foot three threshold. You get to a certain point on Kilimanjaro where you're no longer able to replace the oxygen. Right. Like it's a slower, it's not as severe as ever. The other. Yeah, the other, whatever. I forget the name of them, but the other big summits yeah, but you're up there, and as a bigger guy, you're using more oxygen. So I was doing great. Wasn't really having an issue. And then right when I got to the summit, it hit me like a ton of bricks.

[Charlize Theron]

I didn't get, like, hit you how?

[Jason Kelce]

Like, you were just, like, so fatigue, like, a level and a little bit dizzy. And they tell you, like, the moment you get there, you just want to get down as fast as possible. So I am. I am literally, like, jumping down the side of this mountain. Like, I am bounding and, like, ski, like, skiing down on my shoes just to get down as fast as possible. My one buddy, Bo, is just seated in the gravel, and he's just sulking because he's so tired. I'm like, dude, where are you guys? Like, my Sherpa left me.

[Charlize Theron]

Did you enjoy. Enjoy the summit at all?

[Jason Kelce]

It was incredible. I mean, you are very tired, but at that point, you've put in four days climbing up it. At least on this trip, we do. There are people that climb it much faster, but we. It's such a highlight of a moment. And then on top of that, like, holodinata, one of our teammates was retiring at the summit. There's all these wounded warriors. Like, it's a guy that only had one leg that climbed it with us. Right. Like, it's a really powerful trip.

[Travis Kelce]

Holy smokes.

[Charlize Theron]

And you still bitched about.

[Jason Kelce]

Exactly. That's the thing. He did it so much easier than

[Travis Kelce]

I did, and I was like, you've changed, Jason.

[Jason Kelce]

And then the worst change, the worst part, too, is then you still have to go back down. Like, we get down from there, we get down to that base camp, and then you have to go down another however many thousand feet from there. And my back just started tightening up, and it's. It was a grind of a session that I was not prepared for.

[Charlize Theron]

You're not selling it.

[Travis Kelce]

You're not selling it at all.

[Jason Kelce]

I will say this. Knowing you and what I've. I've seen you do in these movies, I. And I think you would absolutely crush it. And I told everybody I would not do it ever again. But there is something where when you go through something that taxing and that intense, I would go with my daughters because I think it's a. It's a transformative experience if you've never done anything like that. And Kilimanjaro is for sure, like, there's nothing more, like, symbolic than, like, like, overcoming struggles and, like, adversity than, like, climbing a mountain, getting to the top. Right. That. That is a very symbolic thing. And it feels like Kilimanjaro is, like, the most approachable of all the major summits for novice climbers. So if you're thinking about it, I highly recommend it. It's awesome. I feel like I just used up all of our time to talk to you, telling the story. So I'm gonna stop talking now, my next trip.

[Charlize Theron]

So.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, yeah, you'll enjoy it and also

[Charlize Theron]

hate it, which is how you love. You have to hate it a little.

[Travis Kelce]

There you go.

[Charlize Theron]

I understand the whole, like, you know, wanting to do something with your daughters. I' always looking for something like that that I can go into, because otherwise I'll just end up living in a Sephora for the rest of my life. I must get out of Sephora. And I just took my. My oldest girl is very. Like, she's a scaredy cat. Like, she's very pensive. You know, she's. Which I love because I'm like, you're going to be safe. I'm not going to worry about you when you leave home. And then the little one's a daredevil. Like, just completely crazy. But I spent spring break with them, and I was trying to find something like what you were talking about that we could do together that would be like, we'd get to the end of a real accomplishment. We did that. And so we went to Hawaii, and I found this ziplining company, and I didn't tell them because I knew they would just say no. So when we landed, I said, we're going to play a game. Everybody's going to say one thing, and we all have to do that one thing. And so mine was ziplining.

[Travis Kelce]

Nice.

[Charlize Theron]

The fear that my. It was. And it was pouring rain. It could not have been more miserable.

[Travis Kelce]

Get a little dicey.

[Charlize Theron]

We ended up so high. It was like eight zip lines to get down. Scary.

[Jason Kelce]

Like, really scary.

[Charlize Theron]

And you're tied to a rope. You can't go backwards. You can't go forwards. I was like, this is going to go so wrong. And my oldest daughter didn't want to wear the raincoat because it didn't look cute. So she's in her,

[Jason Kelce]

of course, dripping.

[Charlize Theron]

Dripping water. And I'm like, you should have put the raincoat coat on. But we got to the end of it, and it was really. It's. You can't describe it. Like, it's. It's so much work as a parent to do these things. But at the end, you're just like, wow, we got in the van. And everybody was laughing about it.

[Travis Kelce]

Nice.

[Charlize Theron]

The hard work that it is to get you guys up here and look at you now. You've got a wet sweats sweatshirt on and you're still happy.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah. There we go.

[Jason Kelce]

It's, it's weird. It's like the, even in football, like the misery that you go through with your teammates, what you talk about the most, like you talk about camping in 100 degrees and you're all out there sweating and hating life, but it somehow brings you closer together. It's weird.

[Charlize Theron]

Exactly.

[Travis Kelce]

We got one last question.

[Jason Kelce]

We will stop taking up your time.

[Travis Kelce]

But we have to know, we asked all of our guests what was their welcome to their profession moment. So what was your welcome to Hollywood moment?

[Charlize Theron]

I, it sounds like, like a written moment in like a very cheesy Lifetime original movie. But I landed in LAX and I knew nothing about Los Angeles. As a matter of fact, I thought I was getting a one way ticket to Hollywood. And when the ticket came, I was like, it said Los Angeles. I was like, God damn it. So it's appropriate.

[Jason Kelce]

That's an appropriate response.

[Charlize Theron]

Africa. Okay. And I grew up on a farm. I did not know any of this stuff. So I was, I drove in a taxi, taxi from lax. And I just remember I stayed, he took me to this hotel called the Farmer's Daughter, which now is a really nice little hotel, very boutique. But back when I stayed there, it was by, rented by the hour.

[Jason Kelce]

I was like, I can afford this.

[Charlize Theron]

And when we were, when the way he, I, he must have taken me a scenic route because it's not the natural route to get to this place. But I just remember on one of the roads I actually saw part of the Hollywood sign.

[Jason Kelce]

Nice.

[Charlize Theron]

And I just went. It was like, oh yeah. And I was like, I'm, I'm gonna make it.

[Travis Kelce]

You're doing it. Hell yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

That's awesome.

[Travis Kelce]

That's so awesome.

[Charlize Theron]

Called my mom that night and I was like, I saw the Hollywood sign. I was very proud of myself. It was a moment where I definitely felt like, oh, now I'm in Los Angeles.

[Travis Kelce]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Jason Kelce]

All right there.

[Travis Kelce]

That's awesome. And to be honest, I, I, I can attest, like you, it's hard to find that. I hear you saying he took you the scenic route. It's hard to actually find the sign if you don't know where it is or exactly what view you can get to see it. It's so, but seeing it is magical. And for you to be going to LA for the first time. And seeing that in the start of the career had to be epic.

[Charlize Theron]

It might have been the route of a serial killer.

[Jason Kelce]

Now that I'm here,

[Charlize Theron]

I like. Yeah, it was a very.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, I'm just taking you to the Cedar crowd. Don't ask questions.

[Charlize Theron]

But then, interestingly enough, somewhere on the trip, you must have decided against it, because it didn't. He didn't kill me, so I wonder what I did in the car that made him go, oh, not this one. I'm going to take her back to the hotel. Thank you, man who drove me, serial killer, for not killing me.

[Travis Kelce]

Well, we thank you. Congrats on another amazing movie. Can't wait to see how everyone just raises graves over this one. And best of luck to you in the future on. On all the other movies that you have coming. Thank you so much for the stories and your time and wishing you the best.

[Charlize Theron]

Thank you so much, you guys. Thank you. And I'm so happy you love the movie. Thank you.

[Jason Kelce]

Yes, absolutely.

[Travis Kelce]

It was.

[Charlize Theron]

All right. Bye.

[Brandon]

I will say sorry. You shouted out the best book. You shouted out the mindhunter book.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh. Oh, you love that book.

[Brandon]

You said that. I was like, that's on the shelf. I know where that is.

[Charlize Theron]

Oh, my God. I thought you just, like, googled searched it and, like, slipped a note.

[Brandon]

We got dog ears in this bad boy.

[Jason Kelce]

Brandon's our resident serial killer. He's just.

[Brandon]

Listen, you want to go see? You want. You want the LA tour? I'll take you on the LA tour. Thank you. Don't tempt me with a good time.

[Charlize Theron]

I feel like I need to do a whole other podcast with you.

[Jason Kelce]

Come on back.

[Brandon]

Come on back anytime.

[Travis Kelce]

It'll be four hours long song and

[Brandon]

it'll be just me talking about, like, Zodiac and it'll be exciting for everybody.

[Charlize Theron]

That's so amazing.

[Jason Kelce]

You're.

[Charlize Theron]

You're definitely my favorite out of the three. Now

[Brandon]

shut up. I came in right at the end.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, all right. That's it for our conversation with Charlize there.

[Travis Kelce]

She's so bad once again.

[Jason Kelce]

She really is. So many badass films, too. Well, once again, that convo was brought to you by Reese's. And that wraps up another episode. New hides brought to you by Liquid iv. Thank you to Charlize Theron. Check out apex on Netflix April 24th. Make sure you subscribe to the new Heist channel on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast.

[Travis Kelce]

That's right. Once again, New Heights is a wondry show. Follow the show on all social media at New heights. Show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. We're gonna have a bunch after that Charlize Theron interview. Man, she's a badass. You guys. Guys are badasses. Thanks to the New Heights production team for being a badass, and thanks to the 92%. We'll see you guys next week. Good luck and draft day.

[Charlize Theron]

I literally thought you were making muscles.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, don't mind me. Here's my muscles and my pit stains.

[Brandon]

This is how two football players podcast. They flex at you for 10 minutes,

[Charlize Theron]

and then you were kissing. Yeah. My God. Okay. All right.

[Jason Kelce]

We show our pit stain. Welcome to the show.