Taylor Swift on Reclaiming Her Masters, Wrapping The Eras Tour, and The Life of a Showgirl | NHTV - New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce

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Podcast Summary: "Taylor Swift on Reclaiming Her Masters, Wrapping The Eras Tour, and The Life of a Showgirl" | New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce

Episode Details:

Title: Taylor Swift on Reclaiming Her Masters, Wrapping The Eras Tour, and The Life of a Showgirl | NHTV
Release Date: August 13, 2025
Hosts: Jason Kelce and Travis Kelce
Guest: Taylor Swift
Platform: Wondery

1. Introduction and Special Episode Announcement

The episode opens with Travis Kelce building excitement about a special guest, Taylor Swift, highlighting her monumental achievements in the music industry. Travis humorously emphasizes that this is a "special preseason episode" brought forward earlier than initially planned.

Travis Kelce [01:10]: "We have a very special episode today that we just simply could not turn down."

2. Welcoming Taylor Swift

The Kelce brothers warmly welcome Taylor Swift to the show, engaging in playful banter to set a lighthearted tone. They commend Travis for his enthusiastic (if somewhat over-the-top) intro, which Taylor appreciates.

Taylor Swift [03:03]: "Thanks for having me. This is my first podcast."
Travis Kelce [02:43]: "Make me your podcasting debut. The most aggressive guest in the history of shows."

3. Taylor Swift’s Journey to Reclaiming Her Masters

A significant portion of the conversation delves into Taylor Swift's legal and personal battle to regain ownership of her master recordings. Taylor shares the emotional turmoil of having her music sold and her strategic approach to buying back her work.

Taylor Swift [11:59]: "I wanted to own all of it. I want it because this is my handwritten diary, entries from my whole life."
Jason Kelce [13:18]: "You deserve that."

She explains the intricacies of master recordings versus publishing rights, emphasizing the importance of owning her creative legacy.

Taylor Swift [21:00]: "Master recordings is the actual recording. Mine also included my album artwork, my music videos, everything that went along with any era of music."

4. Reflections on the Eras Tour

Taylor discusses the monumental success of her Eras Tour, detailing the physical and emotional challenges she faced. She reflects on how the tour was a formative experience, teaching her about pushing her limits and prioritizing fan experience.

Taylor Swift [30:27]: "I miss it, but it was perfect for what it was."
Jason Kelce [31:02]: "We related on how much."

She highlights memorable moments, such as fans creating spontaneous traditions like lighting up orbs during performances, which added a magical element to the concerts.

Taylor Swift [48:32]: "It felt like we were all part of something together in a way that couldn't be planned."

5. Announcing the New Album: "The Life of a Showgirl"

In an exciting revelation, Taylor introduces her new album, "The Life of a Showgirl," detailing its conceptual underpinnings and collaborative process with Max Martin and Shellback. The album aims to capture the essence of her offstage life, contrasting with the high-energy performances of her tours.

Taylor Swift [88:05]: "This is my brand new album. It's called the Life of a Showgirl."
Travis Kelce [88:22]: "So that's awesome."

She provides a sneak peek into the album's themes and tracklist, expressing her pride and the intentionality behind each song.

Taylor Swift [92:03]: "We've made songs that I'm so proud of. It's telling you it's 12. There's not a 13th."

6. Personal Relationship with Travis Kelce

The conversation takes a personal turn as Taylor shares anecdotes about her relationship with Travis Kelce. From how they met during the Eras Tour to humorous exchanges about baking sourdough, their chemistry and mutual support are palpable.

Taylor Swift [05:34]: "I was waiting for you guys to invite me. This is my favorite podcast."
Travis Kelce [38:04]: "I'm picking up this numerology."

They discuss the playful dynamics of their relationship, including lighthearted segments about baking and shared interests.

7. Handling Fame and Social Media

Taylor offers insights into managing the pressures of fame and the invasive nature of social media. She emphasizes the importance of maintaining a healthy relationship with the online world, advocating for detachment and focusing on genuine interactions.

Taylor Swift [80:25]: "If you're basing your... anything you put, anything you feed your brain, it will internalize."
Jason Kelce [81:00]: "Don't. I. I got the algorithm."

Her approach contrasts with Travis's more involved interaction with social media, highlighting different coping mechanisms.

8. Humorous Segments and Rapid Fire Questions

The latter part of the episode features engaging and humorous interactions, including bakings sourdough puns, playful debates over Pop Tarts, and lighthearted questions that showcase the hosts' and guest's personalities.

Taylor Swift [109:14]: "It's a goofy little inside joke."
Travis Kelce [112:00]: "Wow, why did you change the ending?"

These segments provide a balanced mix of depth and levity, making the conversation enjoyable and relatable.

9. Closing Remarks and Future Projects

As the episode wraps up, Taylor reflects on her growth as an artist and her continuous pursuit of creative excellence. She expresses gratitude towards her collaborators and the Kelce brothers for their support.

Taylor Swift [119:18]: "I love what I do. I absolutely love it."
Travis Kelce [123:00]: "This has been a blast."

The hosts congratulate her on her new album, reiterating the release date and encouraging listeners to support her work.

Travis Kelce [105:42]: "The Life of a Showgirl is available now. You can pre-order it and the official Release date is 10 3, that's October 3rd."

Key Takeaways:

Ownership and Legacy: Taylor's successful journey to reclaim her masters underscores the importance of artists owning their creative output.
Tour Insights: The Eras Tour was both a massive success and a learning experience for Taylor, highlighting the physical demands of large-scale performances and the deep connection with her fans.
New Creative Ventures: "The Life of a Showgirl" represents a new chapter in Taylor's career, focusing on the behind-the-scenes aspects of her life and offering a fresh musical direction.
Personal Growth and Relationships: The episode offers a glimpse into Taylor's personal life, particularly her relationship with Travis Kelce, showcasing their mutual support and shared interests.
Handling Fame: Taylor emphasizes the importance of maintaining a healthy relationship with social media and focusing on personal well-being amidst the pressures of fame.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

Taylor Swift [11:59]: "I want to own all of it. I want it because this is my handwritten diary, entries from my whole life."
Taylor Swift [30:27]: "I miss it, but it was perfect for what it was."
Taylor Swift [88:05]: "This is my brand new album. It's called the Life of a Showgirl."
Taylor Swift [80:25]: "Anything you put anything you feed your brain, it will internalize."
Travis Kelce [105:42]: "The Life of a Showgirl is available now. You can pre-order it and the official Release date is 10 3, that's October 3rd."

Conclusion

This episode of "New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce" offers a comprehensive and engaging conversation with Taylor Swift, blending her professional milestones with personal anecdotes. Listeners gain valuable insights into her strategic moves in the music industry, the grandeur and challenges of her tours, and her dynamic personal life. The inclusion of humorous segments and relatable discussions makes this episode a must-listen for fans of both Taylor Swift and the Kelce brothers.

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[00:00]
Travis Kelce
All right, let's get to the part of this show that I think is what everybody is going to be talking about.
[00:09]
Taylor Swift
Do I get to say it? Do I get to say I get to say the two words? Yes.
[00:13]
Travis Kelce
First of all, you can do whatever you want, Taylor.
[00:15]
Jason Kelce
I don't.
[00:15]
Travis Kelce
We're not going to review. This is very much whatever within the.
[00:19]
Taylor Swift
Framework of the podcast. I'm a fan of the podcast.
[00:21]
Travis Kelce
Typically, we would allow the guest to say new news.
[00:25]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, yeah, I want to do it.
[00:26]
Jason Kelce
I think Taylor has a little bit of new news.
[00:29]
Taylor Swift
New news.
[00:32]
Travis Kelce
Hey.
[00:35]
Jason Kelce
Welcome back to New heights. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, 92%ers, we missed you. This is a very special episode of New Heights a wonry show. We are your host. I'm Travis Kelce. This is my big brother, Jason Kelce.
[00:48]
Travis Kelce
Out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio.
[00:51]
Jason Kelce
University of Cincinnati grad Cincy W. Baby. Arrowhead can't come soon enough, baby. Let's go Bearcats. Let's go, baby. Subscribe on YouTube onery plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at new height show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. Jason, we got a good one. Why don't you tell the people what we got coming up?
[01:10]
Travis Kelce
That's right, 92 percenters. You may remember when we said New Heights wasn't coming back till August 27th. Well, that was a lie. That was a lie. And hopefully you can forgive us because we got a. As Travis said, we have a very special episode today that we just simply could not turn down. That's right. This is a special preseason episode that we decided to bring to you a little early.
[01:35]
Jason Kelce
So let's not waste any of their time. Jason, let's get right to it. You want to do the honors?
[01:40]
Travis Kelce
Our guest today is the singer, songwriter, producer and director from Nashville, Tennessee. That's bullshit. She is from Reading, Pennsylvania. She is the most awarded artist in the history of the American Music Awards, Billboard Music Awards and iHeartRadio Music Awards. She has 14 Grammy Awards and is the only artist in the history to win album of the year four times. Last December, she wrapped up the Era Tour which spanned 149 shows across 51 cities, five continents. It was the most attended tour of all time. Of all time. I'm still going. Hold on for him. Her last album, the torture post department set a record with 1.76 billion streams globally within the first week alone.
[02:24]
Taylor Swift
All right.
[02:25]
Travis Kelce
Of that guy on the Chiefs, she has 19 wins, two AFC titles and a Super Bowl. 92 percenters are you ready for it? Make me your podcasting debut. The most aggressive guest in the history of shows. Taylor Swift.
[02:44]
Taylor Swift
Intro. Jason. Oh, my God.
[02:47]
Jason Kelce
I've seen this before.
[02:48]
Taylor Swift
Look, his soul has left his body.
[02:50]
Jason Kelce
Just breathe, Jason.
[02:51]
Taylor Swift
No. That was so good. Thank you.
[02:53]
Travis Kelce
I tried.
[02:54]
Taylor Swift
Thank you for screaming for, like, 47 seconds for me. That was so nice.
[02:58]
Travis Kelce
I'm shaking right now. I'm shaking today.
[03:01]
Taylor Swift
No, you did a great job.
[03:02]
Jason Kelce
Take a deep breath, big guy. Take.
[03:03]
Travis Kelce
Did I get everything? How much more could we have put in that? I felt like that was.
[03:08]
Taylor Swift
That was such an amazing intro. And also just, like, thanks for wearing the merch. That goes a long way. Just, like, immediately makes me feel comfortable just looking deeply into my own eyes.
[03:18]
Travis Kelce
Okay. All right. That's what I was going for.
[03:21]
Jason Kelce
It's a good T shirt.
[03:21]
Travis Kelce
I like it.
[03:22]
Taylor Swift
Thanks for having me. This is my first podcast.
[03:24]
Travis Kelce
This is amazing. Thank you for coming on.
[03:26]
Jason Kelce
What took you so long to jump on podcasts?
[03:28]
Taylor Swift
You know what? I just. I was waiting for you guys to invite me. This is my favorite podcast, so we've.
[03:34]
Travis Kelce
Already been over this. You're a big fan of the show. You're a 92 percenter. What are your favorite segments that you hear? Travis and I go into on a routinely basis?
[03:43]
Taylor Swift
I like new news just because of the screaming. Like, I hear him screaming new news from across the house constantly. It's like my favorite part. Like, he'll be like, new news, new news. And I'm in the kitchen be like, new news. So I love that because of just the bellowing of it. Like, I love no dumb questions.
[04:02]
Jason Kelce
That's a banger.
[04:03]
Taylor Swift
I really like it when you give people advice. It's kind of my personal favorite.
[04:07]
Travis Kelce
Do you usually agree with the advice or do you just like listening to it?
[04:11]
Taylor Swift
I mean, I think that, like, you guys give such male centric advice, which I think is just, like, just dudes who don't want drama, dudes who are trying to avoid the message. But sometimes you're going to, like, do a bit and say the messiest thing that they could do, which is funny, too.
[04:28]
Travis Kelce
So we're going to ask the question everybody watching the show is currently asking. Why are you coming on the show? Why? What are you doing? You have so many better things to do with your time.
[04:38]
Taylor Swift
This podcast has done a lot for me. I owe a lot to this podcast. This podcast got me a boyfriend ever since Travis decided to use it as his personal dating app about two years ago.
[04:48]
Travis Kelce
So worked pretty good.
[04:50]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[04:51]
Travis Kelce
Hey, were his friendship bracelets that Good. Did you give the friendship bracelets or was that just on the podcast?
[04:57]
Taylor Swift
I've never. I've never seen.
[04:59]
Jason Kelce
Yeah, I didn't leave the stadium because I was butthurt.
[05:01]
Taylor Swift
Jason, was he with. Threw a tantrum. He threw a man tantrum out of here. It's so funny.
[05:09]
Travis Kelce
My plan is ruined.
[05:10]
Jason Kelce
She loves me. She loves me now. She loves me.
[05:12]
Travis Kelce
She loves me.
[05:13]
Taylor Swift
This is so.
[05:14]
Travis Kelce
Hates me.
[05:15]
Taylor Swift
Like, it was such a wild, romantic gesture to just be like, I want to date you. Like, on. I don't know. It was at first, when I looked at it, I was like, that's what.
[05:27]
Jason Kelce
It does when you're on the stage and you perform in Arrowhead. That's what it did.
[05:30]
Taylor Swift
This dude didn't get a meet and greet. He's making it everyone's problem. That's what I thought at first.
[05:34]
Jason Kelce
And then I come to Arrowhead, I get to meet you. That's the perk of playing for the Chiefs.
[05:38]
Taylor Swift
You realize he didn't even reach out to our management. I was like, when this podcast came out, I was like, did he ever reach out to be, like, in the tents or did we know he was in the building? He came with Pat, and he thought that because he knows the elevator lady, that he had the talk to her about just getting down to my house.
[05:56]
Travis Kelce
That's how it works. You just go.
[05:57]
Jason Kelce
And I got denied.
[05:58]
Taylor Swift
That's how it works. In 1973, the elevator was just invented. But yeah, but. But, yeah. He really just was like, I know a guy. I can figure this out. But I actually. When I thought about it, I was like, actually, we live in a day and age where, like, I'm not a very. I'm not an online person at all. Not, like on social media like that. And, like, I'm genuinely terrified to open my dms.
[06:21]
Travis Kelce
Smart.
[06:22]
Taylor Swift
It's just like. It's just like. It's about. I just. There's smoke coming out of my DMs. Like, I don't want to go near that. I don't know what.
[06:27]
Travis Kelce
You want somebody to go through it. I'll go through it just because I'll laugh my ass off.
[06:30]
Taylor Swift
It's like, if you have, like, 20 million unread DMs, you're not entertained. So this kind of felt more like I was in an 80s John Hughes movie and he was just, like, standing outside of my window with a boombox, just being like, I want to date you.
[06:44]
Travis Kelce
Yeah, do you want to go on.
[06:46]
Taylor Swift
A date with me? I made you a friendship place or do you want to date me?
[06:48]
Jason Kelce
Just come outside and meet me. Just meet me once.
[06:51]
Travis Kelce
Just give me a chance.
[06:52]
Taylor Swift
I was like, if this guy isn't crazy, which is a big if. This is sort of what I've been writing songs about wanting to happen to me since I was a teenager.
[07:05]
Jason Kelce
And I was sitting there at the Ayres tour listening to every single one of those songs. Like, she. I know what she wants me to do.
[07:11]
Travis Kelce
I feel that that's a.
[07:12]
Jason Kelce
That's exactly what she wants me to do.
[07:13]
Taylor Swift
He's like, this is just her wish.
[07:15]
Jason Kelce
List of like, meet me, please. Now I'm butt hurt.
[07:19]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. I'm upset that you didn't meet me even though you didn't know I wanted to meet you because I didn't do any proper logistical planning.
[07:28]
Jason Kelce
Who plans?
[07:29]
Travis Kelce
Typical Kelsey. Typical Kelsey. It was wild.
[07:32]
Taylor Swift
It was wild, but it worked. I'm glad it worked. I'm just circling back to new heights to say thank you for. For this. Look at this.
[07:40]
Jason Kelce
I'm the luckiest man in the world.
[07:42]
Taylor Swift
So, yeah, that's.
[07:43]
Jason Kelce
And thank you to new heights. All the editing, Jake, thank you for putting that on social media and letting it do its before we move on.
[07:49]
Travis Kelce
What? How did you know he wasn't crazy? Because that's the other side of that, right? Like a guy goes up there and professes his love for you. Either one. It's like, this could be the most romantic thing in the world. It could also be like, crazy about somebody.
[08:01]
Taylor Swift
He is crazy.
[08:03]
Travis Kelce
But there's a. There's a right crazy.
[08:05]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, he's the good kind of crazy. And I. I knew that he wasn't crazy the first couple of times that we talked. I was just like, he's. He's truly, like, he's truly getting to know me in a way that's very natural, very pure, very normal. Like, also, like just the way that he could make me laugh so immediately about normal things. The, like, Travis is like, he's just a vibe booster in everyone's life that he's in. He's like a human exclamation point. Like, you know, he's like when you take a picture on your phone and you put the, like, you push the enhanced color button, that's like what you do.
[08:43]
Jason Kelce
I'm always excellent.
[08:45]
Taylor Swift
I have so many more exclamation points now. But I think it was just like, you also, you were so. You're so non judgmental about people and you were not judgmental about the fact that I knew nothing about the world you were in.
[08:58]
Jason Kelce
It was the best.
[08:59]
Taylor Swift
You were nice. You were so nice.
[09:00]
Jason Kelce
I got a clean slate.
[09:01]
Taylor Swift
You were like, thank you.
[09:03]
Travis Kelce
She doesn't know any of my business.
[09:04]
Jason Kelce
Are you kidding me?
[09:05]
Taylor Swift
Jason, on our first date, I literally, I. I legitimately asked him what it was like when the Chiefs played the Eagles in the super bowl, and he looked across the field, across the line of scrimmage and saw his brother standing on the other, like, five feet in front of him on the field.
[09:22]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[09:22]
Taylor Swift
And he was like. He was. And he didn't even. He didn't even look at me. Like, I now know what an insane question that was. He was like, actually, I'm on the offense and my brother's on the offense, and I'm only on the field at the same time as defense. I thought everyone was out there at the same time. I thought. I thought that the quarterback.
[09:42]
Jason Kelce
I mean, that's how you played it on the. On the playground growing up. So I understand if you hadn't, like.
[09:47]
Taylor Swift
No, you don't understand. I thought it was like, Jared Goff is here and Josh Allen's here, and they're gonna be like. They blow a whistle, and then they. They go at each other and they're like, who's gonna win?
[10:02]
Jason Kelce
That's. Actually.
[10:03]
Travis Kelce
I would love to see Jared Goff play some defense. Let's see Jared Goff on defense.
[10:07]
Taylor Swift
Got some ideas. I've got some thoughts. Yeah. I didn't know what a first down was. I didn't know what the chains were. I didn't know what a tight end was. I am forever.
[10:18]
Jason Kelce
I am forever thankful for you. Diving into the football world wholeheartedly.
[10:22]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God. I fell in love with it. I became obsessed with it. I became like a person who was running through the halls of my house screaming, we drafted Xavier Worthy. And my friends are like, what? Who body snatched you? This is. This is. What do you mean? We drafted Worthy?
[10:41]
Jason Kelce
I forget where I was, but you were the first person to tell me that in the draft.
[10:46]
Taylor Swift
No, I was screeching. I couldn't believe it. I was freaking out. We're talking about either.
[10:50]
Jason Kelce
I'm like, wait, does she. She write. I had to look this up? I'm like, she. She get the wrong information here. But, yeah, we traded up.
[10:56]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. We're talking about COVID two. Cover four. Cover zero, man. Cover. We're talking. We're. We're learning. I continue to learn.
[11:04]
Jason Kelce
Maybe somebody else that even knows what those coverages are.
[11:06]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. I'm not ready to be an analyst right now.
[11:09]
Travis Kelce
That's been. Yeah.
[11:10]
Taylor Swift
Give me 16 months.
[11:14]
Travis Kelce
You're gonna pick up on it. I'm telling you, you would ask some of the best questions when we were up in the booth, and there's, like, your desire to learn more, but your genuine excitement around it as well as, like, your competitiveness.
[11:26]
Jason Kelce
She's not around. No, Tay's not.
[11:29]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God.
[11:30]
Jason Kelce
He's not around.
[11:32]
Travis Kelce
Reclaiming masters. You want to.
[11:34]
Jason Kelce
Let's tee it up. One of. One of my favorite things this summer was Taylor reclaiming her masters. Her recording of her first six albums finally became hers.
[11:47]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[11:47]
Jason Kelce
And you haven't really talked about it. You made that beautiful post on all your social channels thanking everyone that made it happen and everything, but why don't you tell. Tell the 92 percenters how it really felt.
[12:00]
Taylor Swift
Oh, wow. So to catch anyone up who doesn't know about this saga, like, I signed a record deal when I was 15, and I always kind of refer to it as I got my music back this. This summer, but I never owned my music at all. So, traditionally, a lot of record deals are set up in a way that artists don't own, what's called their master recordings. Owning your master recordings means that you have complete control and power over distribution, licensing, and essentially, the way your legacy is shaped. It's. It's. It's a huge thing. It's always been a huge thing for me. Like, since I was a teenager, I've been actively saving up money to buy my music back and to. To ever own it in the first place, because it's usually the label that owns it. But I've always wanted this to happen. So it's been sold. My music has been sold a few times. The first time that it was sold, it really ripped my heart out of my chest. And I told everybody exactly how that felt for me and what I was going through. And I started basically defiantly re recording my music because I wanted to own it, and this was the only way I thought it was ever gonna happen.
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Jason Kelce
And so I knew she had a bad kid, and she's just got a little bit of a bad kid.
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Travis Kelce
Yeah, it's not a bad kid. That's a savvy kid. That's what that is.
[13:22]
Jason Kelce
That's like, hey, I've been told I've been defiant a lot of times.
[13:26]
Travis Kelce
Well, you are defined. You're very defined.
[13:27]
Taylor Swift
It's like I. Insubordinate, Travis. Insubordinate. Yeah. I think for me, you know, that was the closest I ever thought I would get to owning my music. And so re. Recording My music. It was so exciting to get to have that opportunity. But there was still, like, I thought about not owning my music every day. It was something that I never was. It was like an intrusive thought that I had every day. And so we do the ERAS tour. After the ERAS tour, I had a meeting with my team and we decided this might be a good time to approach the current owners of it. The owners of it was a private equity firm called Shamrock Capital. I knew them to be above board people, you know, they had been very friendly to us. What I was looking to do though, was I wanted to buy my music outright. I don't want to be in a partnership. I don't want to own 30% of it. I want it. I want to own all of it.
[14:29]
Jason Kelce
And you deserve that.
[14:30]
Taylor Swift
But it was a long shot to think that they would do that, that they would sell that, that asset to me.
[14:35]
Travis Kelce
It's a big asset.
[14:36]
Taylor Swift
It's a huge decision for them to make to sell that to anyone, including me. I decided that rather than this be like a. A business conversation, I. I'm in the business of human emotion. I would so much rather lead heart first in something like this. Because for me, this is not, oh, I want to. I want to own this asset. Because if it's returns, because if it's, you know, because of the dividends that I will receive over the years, this was. I want it because this is my handwritten diary, entries from my whole life. These are the songs I wrote about every phase of my life. This is my photography, my music videos, my. Most of which I funded, you know, my artwork. Everything that I've ever done is in this catalog. And so rather than send lawyers or management, like in a big crew, I sent my mom and my brother, who I work with to la and they, Sorry, they sat down and they, like, this happens. I don't ever really talk about it because it's. They sat down with. With Shamrock Capital and they told them what this meant for me. Like, this is. They. They told them the whole story of all the times we've tried to buy it, all the times it's fallen through, all the times we had gotten plans together and figured out something we thought was going to work and it didn't at the last minute. And so like, my mom calls me afterwards, she's like, look, you know, they were wonderful. They. They heard us out. We have no idea which way they're going to go with this. And so I was like, I get it, I get it. I've. I Haven't gotten my hopes up about this in a decade. And so it was a couple months after the super bowl, we're in Kansas City, and I get a call from my mom, and she's like. She's like, you got your music. And so sorry that this is. It's literally been so long since this happened. It's. Every time I talk about it, she was like, you got your music. And I just, like, very dramatically hit the floor for real, like, honestly just started.
[16:54]
Jason Kelce
It's been a long time coming.
[16:56]
Taylor Swift
Bawling my ey. And I'm just, like, just. Just weeping and kind of, like, unable. I was just like, really? Are you really, really. What do you mean? What do you mean? And I'm like, get. Get yourself together. Get your shit together. Like, just go tell Travis in a normal way.
[17:11]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[17:12]
Taylor Swift
And I knock on the door, he's playing video games, and I'm trying to say it in a normal way, and I'm just like, travis, oh, no.
[17:22]
Jason Kelce
What just happened? What just happened?
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Taylor Swift
And he's like. He, like, puts his headset down. He's like, guys, gotta go. And I think he thought something was wrong. And. And I'm just like, I got all my music back and then just start absolutely heaving.
[17:35]
Jason Kelce
Just dead weight. Just dead weight. All control.
[17:39]
Taylor Swift
Had no power in my legs to support myself. And, yeah, this changed my life. I can't believe it still, every time I think about it, it's like, I have to tell the short version to everyone because it is still like, this. This will affect the rest of my life. I think about this every day now. But instead of it being, like, an intrusive thought, that hurts me. It's. I can't believe this happened. Like, how lucky am I? How grateful am I? I'm so grateful to, like, the artists that helped me with my rerecords because when I did my re records, I started doing those in 2021, and a lot of, like, most of the industry trades were like, this is a bad idea. This is her sort of derailing her career in a way. Nobody's interested in you doing the same album twice. Fans are not going to be engaged with this. This is not going to go well for her.
[18:32]
Jason Kelce
Somebody new, though.
[18:33]
Taylor Swift
And it was like, I still was able to, like, reach out to friends of mine like, Like. Like Phoebe Bridgers, Keith Urban, Maren Morris, Chris Stapleton, you know, Haley Williams from Paramore, Fall Out Boy. Like, all these absolutely incredible artists that, like, shape who I am as an artist. And. And they, like, agreed to be a Part of the rerecords. And I, like, you know, I. One of the only people I told before this happened was like, I called Phoebe Bridgers and I was just like. And she's like, I think you just. Did you just say what I think you said? And so this has just been like. It was just. I'm so grateful for it. It's. It's just unbelievable. And I was so happy you were there when that happened.
[19:20]
Jason Kelce
I mean, I was.
[19:21]
Taylor Swift
Because I could not stand.
[19:22]
Jason Kelce
Yeah. I mean, I started crying, too.
[19:23]
Taylor Swift
You know, you were weeping.
[19:24]
Jason Kelce
I was. I'm just so happy for you because I see. I've seen how you make music. I've seen how you make these videos, seen the effort and the focus and the strategy behind what just one album in Torture Poets Department and, And. And in Fortnite. And I was blown away that you had been doing this your entire life. And for, you know, your first six albums, you weren't given the rights to all of that. And I know what that. That looked like, and I know how much it burned you that. That you didn't have that and you didn't have your creation. And I just. I think doing it the right way, creating the fan base that you did the right way and, And. And leading your life in a direction that you. You were eventually going to get it back somehow, some way, because of you always doing things with the right intentions. So.
[20:16]
Taylor Swift
Thanks.
[20:17]
Travis Kelce
So how. I guess, how does music ownership. This is so crazy to me. So you wrote these songs, you sang these songs, you put everything into them. And don't get me wrong, there's publishing companies, people that support artists out there. But.
[20:29]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[20:29]
Travis Kelce
How. How does ownership of music even work? Like when you recorded these songs when you were 16. Right. Is that like.
[20:38]
Jason Kelce
You dumb it down to us 95.
[20:41]
Travis Kelce
The singer gets a certain portion. This. The the artist gets. Or the songwriter gets a certain portion, and then the publishing company gets a certain portion.
[20:49]
Taylor Swift
Okay, so this is. That's a great question. And there's two main categories that we're talking about. So master recordings is the actual recording.
[21:00]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[21:00]
Taylor Swift
It's the actual vocal band. Production, mixing, mastering, that actual thing.
[21:07]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[21:08]
Taylor Swift
Mine. Mine also included my album artwork, my music videos, everything that went along with any era of music that I had done for my first six albums, every era. So then there's also. Then there's another category, which is publishing. I own my publishing, which is why, you know, I have control over, you know, if my song is used in a film, I. And I. And I wanted them to Use Taylor's version instead of the original version. I, the songwriter can decide that.
[21:41]
Travis Kelce
Got it. Okay.
[21:42]
Taylor Swift
You know, and so it's like I basically, I, I've always been very lucky because my publishing was protected. A lot of artists have, have their publishing sold away from them or they sell their publishing. And I, you know, and a lot of artists, it may not be important to them. It was always important for me. The publishing aspect of it has always been something I've had firmly in place, which is great because my songwriting is the core of, of why I do this, why I love it so much, and what I think has made anything happen in my career at all.
[22:13]
Jason Kelce
Greatest songwriter of all time.
[22:15]
Taylor Swift
That's very nice of you to say that. It's like, says her boyfriend, says a lot of people, basically, then you have the master recordings side of things. Now this is a discussion that was not really brought up amongst the artist communities, especially not with fans. This was all kind of industry centric and kind of boring contract stuff that like fans were not speaking about. And so one thing that I think is really great that has come about because of this is that I have so many new artists come up to me now and say, hey, I didn't even know this was a thing. And when I went to go and negotiate for my record deal, I negotiated to have my masters revert back to me after a certain amount of years or that I own them outright. And it's not for everyone. Not everyone cares about this artist to artist. Artists have different priorities. Some artists sell off all their masters because everyone's allowed to have their own priorities. What I wanted, though, is that if I were to put the information out about what I went through, at least it gets artists talking about this to decide whether this is a priority for them. Because you can't know if it's a priority for you unless you know what has come before you and what has happened. And so the master recordings thing, that's your actual ownership of your recordings. To put it in perspective, if I never would have been able to buy back my music, one day someone else would be leaving all of my music from my first six albums to their kids in their will, right?
[23:51]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[23:52]
Taylor Swift
And you think about it like that. It's like I thought of it, I made it, I recorded it, I paid for most of those music videos. You know, I wanted an opportunity to buy that back and that was important to me.
[24:03]
Travis Kelce
You feel like they're yours, they should be yours.
[24:05]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, exactly.
[24:06]
Travis Kelce
Do you think it was easier for you to do one because You're. I mean, just you talking about this, you're so aware of the business side of this in the legal ramp of like, you're more aware than I think probably most artists are, but smartest in the world. It's crazy. Being a songwriter that's her boyfriend.
[24:23]
Jason Kelce
Smartest woman in the world, you being.
[24:26]
Travis Kelce
The songwriter, being the singer, owning no publishing rights, being able to re record songs, that gave you leverage and able to make this move, right?
[24:36]
Taylor Swift
Yes.
[24:36]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[24:37]
Taylor Swift
Yes. So that was. And also, you know, in my contract, they didn't put a clause in that said I couldn't re record because nobody was doing it and nobody thought that was a good idea.
[24:48]
Travis Kelce
Right.
[24:49]
Taylor Swift
So. And also, like, who would be that stubborn? Like, who would be. Who would be that petty, this badass.
[24:57]
Jason Kelce
Kid over here that they would be.
[24:58]
Taylor Swift
Record every single thing. It's so badass, over and over again.
[25:02]
Jason Kelce
What was your favorite?
[25:03]
Travis Kelce
Well, not just. Not just that. Hold on, though. Not just that. Who has a fan base that's gonna listen to the same album twice in a row?
[25:10]
Taylor Swift
It's a good point, Jason.
[25:11]
Travis Kelce
It's a good point, honestly. And this is where they missed it.
[25:14]
Jason Kelce
You had 1989. I'll listen to that.
[25:18]
Taylor Swift
That's the thing is the fans story.
[25:20]
Travis Kelce
With the second time you released this album, right? And the fans got behind that narrative and they're like, screw the first album.
[25:28]
Jason Kelce
We're.
[25:28]
Travis Kelce
We're rolling with the re recorded album because we're supporting the artist.
[25:31]
Taylor Swift
They were like, we ride at dawn. Like, and it was. It was amazing. Because, you know, they're the reason why the re records worked out. They're the reason I was able to purchase my music back because they came to the ERAS tour and basically they're the reason why any of this worked out. And I also want to note that, like, the other people who are like, we ride at dawn, my. My live band, they played on all the rerecords. It's like, you want to know why they sound so perfect on the ERAS tour? They played. They played on all those records. Like, they're session musicians too. And that's how good they are. And I'm. I'm so impressed just by their ability and their dexterity as musicians to be able to do that so convincingly. Because there. There are. There are actually some. There's. The Taylor's version is when I kind of refer a lot of that stuff. I think it sounds incredible, but I'm happy to have all of it.
[26:28]
Travis Kelce
So that leads me to the next question today. Now that you own all of it. You have the RE recordings, You have the original recordings. What should we listen to? Like, what do I do? I roll? Does it matter? You're just like, whatever you guys want.
[26:43]
Taylor Swift
Like, it's. It's really whatever you guys want. Because I love both of them. I would not have put. Put out the RE records if I didn't think that they held up or were better. I think a lot of the vocals I did on the RE records are better than the originals.
[26:55]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[26:55]
Taylor Swift
But it's like if you found a nostalgia in the originals and that was what you were listening to when you were 12 years old, bopping around in your bedroom, go crazy. Yeah, we got them all.
[27:05]
Travis Kelce
I'm going to start doing comparisons. That's what I got to do. I just got to start doing comparisons.
[27:09]
Jason Kelce
Yeah, you're going to listen to every beat.
[27:11]
Taylor Swift
You're certainly. It's not mandatory, Jason.
[27:13]
Travis Kelce
I mean, it sounds like a good time.
[27:14]
Jason Kelce
I'll say this, there's a few good playlists out there that have a mixture of them. All right.
[27:18]
Taylor Swift
You've been streaming. Yes, thank you.
[27:20]
Jason Kelce
I've been streaming for about two years now.
[27:21]
Taylor Swift
Oh, that's fantastic. Thank you so much. That's why we got that spike in the.
[27:27]
Travis Kelce
That's what it was.
[27:28]
Taylor Swift
35 year old male demographic.
[27:30]
Jason Kelce
Yes. That 1.7 billion. That was at least 1 billion.
[27:35]
Travis Kelce
We have one IP address from one iPhone that continually is listening to this. Did you have a favorite album that you re recorded that like, are there different eras that you liked recording more? RE recording.
[27:48]
Taylor Swift
I really liked them all, but I think Red was very special. There were songs that I called from the vault songs and there was one which I think is maybe my favorite song I've ever written called All Too well, the 10 minute version where I unearthed. There were. There are originally so many more verses in that song than ended up being on the. On the album that I had put out. When I originally put out Red, I made the. The glorious fortuitous mistake of saying that to my fans in an interview. You know what those words mean? You're so handsome. So basically I said that in an interview to my fans and they just like hung on to it. They were like, where's the 10 minute version? Give us the 10 minute version.
[28:38]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[28:39]
Taylor Swift
And when it came time to doing Taylor's version and re recording the album, I went back in, found the verses, restructured the song to the way that it pretty much was when I had originally written it, put them back in. And that song is one of my favorite things I've ever done. And it was. We were on the Eras tour. I'm watching people just, like, cathartically scream this song to the point where I'm like, do you need. Do you need to go to the hospital? Like, it was so passionate, the fan response to that song at the Airstore. And I remember thinking so many times, like, what if this never happened? Like, what if I never had?
[29:19]
Jason Kelce
It's one of the most iconic parts of your. Of that tour.
[29:23]
Taylor Swift
It was so fun and so, like, yeah, it really did make me fall back in love with that album. Specifically. I have a song with Phoebe Bridgers that I really love on that, you know, from the Vault. Chris Stapleton was a part of it as well. And I just. I think that one I've always loved Fearless in 1989 in a very pure way. But Red, I've kind of gone back and forth over the years and been like, you know, like that re recording, it made me just be like, ah, God, I love that album. I have no. No complicated feelings about that. Wouldn't have done anything different, maybe, except to include the original verses the first time.
[29:59]
Travis Kelce
Well, well, let's. We just talked about the different eras a little bit. Let's talk about perhaps the most daunting thing that any artist has ever taken on, which is the Heiress tour.
[30:09]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God.
[30:11]
Travis Kelce
You finally finished it up last December in Vancouver. I don't know. I. What did it feel like to wrap it up? What does it feel like now? Like not touring and being on a jet every day, basically trying to go from country to country. Yeah.
[30:27]
Taylor Swift
I mean, it's insane. It feels great. Jason, to be honest, I'm not going to lie to you.
[30:33]
Travis Kelce
You don't miss it?
[30:34]
Taylor Swift
I. I miss it. I do miss it, but it's like it was perfect for what it was. Do you know what I mean? And it was a lot of. It was a lot of physical therapy and it was a lot of, like, being in a state of perpetual physical discomfort. Kind of like when you're in season, you know? Yeah, no, I'm not getting hit by huge 300 pounders, but the heels.
[31:02]
Travis Kelce
No.
[31:03]
Jason Kelce
When I saw the recovery station in the hotel room after with the toe spacers, I got an acupuncture mat.
[31:10]
Taylor Swift
I've got.
[31:11]
Jason Kelce
I'm telling you, dude, the similarities were crazy. I'm like, oh, my gosh, she does more than I do.
[31:16]
Taylor Swift
We're, like, comparing physical therapy stories, like recovery stuff.
[31:19]
Travis Kelce
But have you ever tried taping your ankles?
[31:21]
Jason Kelce
We related on how much.
[31:23]
Taylor Swift
Big ankle tape guy. Yeah. I miss it because I miss the fans and I miss that connection. But at the same time, it was so special. It was like the most formative time of my life. I learned so much about. About how far I can push myself and if I set a goal, you know, making that a three and a half hour show in the beginning of the tour, it's like, you can't like, be sick one day and then decide tonight it's going to be two and a half hours.
[31:51]
Travis Kelce
Right.
[31:51]
Taylor Swift
And it's really just like prioritizing the fans experience before. Before. Before anything else. And my fellow broken heart. Yeah.
[32:00]
Travis Kelce
Don't get me started. Like, dude, don't you get me started.
[32:03]
Taylor Swift
Or like, stomach flu or like just like aching feet or blisters or whatever. Like, it's. It just was.
[32:09]
Jason Kelce
Which she had all of this going.
[32:11]
Taylor Swift
Through at the same time.
[32:15]
Jason Kelce
Going into her fourth show.
[32:17]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. And it's just. It was kind of the coolest thing in the world because when we were putting together this tour, I had some really lofty goals I wanted to reach conceptually, because I wanted to show. I wanted to show fans and especially younger fans, visuals and sort of performance art references that were really important to me as a kid and what inspired me to want to do this right. So, like, I wanted to put elements of musical theater, Broadway, ballet, you know, scenery that you would see in an opera.
[32:55]
Jason Kelce
Kind of thinks like this.
[32:57]
Travis Kelce
I watched the whole tour. I don't. I just thought it was amazing. I didn't notice.
[33:00]
Taylor Swift
But that's. That's exactly it. I wanted it to be references that I thought were really high concept and really high value for fans and for them to see things they hadn't necessarily seen before, all in one concert. But I wanted to do it at. At the highest intensity. Rapid fire. You're seeing something new every 15 to 30 seconds. And so it feels like you're scrolling in an algorithm. Right. And when I heard reports of people saying that they got actual amnesia after the concerts, I was like, oh, I think we did it. Yeah, I think. I think we did it. Nailed it. That's. That's genuine. That. That's. I didn't even. Wasn't even shooting for that goal. When they're like, I saw so many things and I experienced a state of euphoria that I now don't remember what happened to me. I was like, oh, my God.
[33:52]
Jason Kelce
All I remember is that she didn't want to meet me. That's it.
[33:55]
Taylor Swift
That's it. That's all. That's all he got about and as much.
[33:59]
Jason Kelce
As much as you. And I've told you this, as much as you want to, you know, give New Heights credit. I give the heirs to her credit.
[34:06]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[34:06]
Jason Kelce
I give the heirs to her credit. Because if I would have never gone to that show and been mesmerized and just being captivated.
[34:12]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[34:13]
Jason Kelce
And then left with such a desire to want to meet you, I would have never went on here and told everybody how butthurt I was. Yeah. I'd never just been so engulfed in the curiosity of who you were.
[34:27]
Taylor Swift
Oh, that's.
[34:28]
Travis Kelce
Look at this.
[34:29]
Jason Kelce
I really.
[34:29]
Travis Kelce
You know, the best things about that last statement is you didn't even know what the word engulf meant before. Like, you met Taylor. Like, this is. You've broadened your horizons so much.
[34:37]
Jason Kelce
It were the perfect. I'm telling you, it's so. She makes me so much better.
[34:42]
Travis Kelce
So.
[34:45]
Taylor Swift
Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that.
[34:47]
Jason Kelce
And then. But it's like, you see you on the stage and you see how crazy you can get an entire stadium going, and then I get you in a room, and it's like I've known you forever. It's like it was just the easiest conversation I ever had, and it was just so much fun that it just. It knocked my socks off from what they say.
[35:09]
Travis Kelce
Knocked your socks off?
[35:11]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[35:11]
Taylor Swift
Thank you. That's. I felt.
[35:12]
Jason Kelce
She blew me away, and I. I had never. I had never experienced something so mesmerizing on stage and then so real and so beautiful in person.
[35:23]
Taylor Swift
Hey, that's.
[35:24]
Travis Kelce
Should I. Should I leave?
[35:26]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, I think so. Honestly, at this point, I think everyone should leave.
[35:31]
Travis Kelce
I don't know where to go from here now. What. How many countries did you do the heirs to her in?
[35:38]
Taylor Swift
47,000 countries.
[35:41]
Jason Kelce
Jason, you just listed that in the beginning.
[35:44]
Travis Kelce
Well, I said 51 cities, which I don't know if that's.
[35:48]
Taylor Swift
It was a lot of countries. What was really fun about all the countries that we went to is when we first started dating, he was like, I always wanted to go and really vacation in Europe and see Australia and, you know, go to Asia. And I was like, well, I got. I got a tour for that. You know, it's coming up.
[36:11]
Jason Kelce
No. Nice. You got room for a 6, 5 guy?
[36:13]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, we can figure it out. Like, no, that's. The dimensions are wild. But we'll make some room. I think we'll have to leave some. Some equipment. Trunks behind the size, but. But absolutely. We'd be happy to have you. And we got to, you know, we got to travel the world and have vacations and adventures when I wasn't on stage, which was really. Is like, Europe was so fun. Australia is amazing.
[36:39]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[36:40]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. It was great. And that entire part of our lives, like, I was on tour for so long, and now I finally am not on tour. And it's. It's kind of great because I'm getting my hobbies back. Like, when I was on tour, all I had the bandwidth for was, what's the acoustic mashup this week? What. How do I say welcome to the ERAS tour in Portuguese? You know, that was the only thing taking up my brain space. And now it's.
[37:10]
Jason Kelce
It's been so fun to see what Taylor actually gets into around the house.
[37:18]
Taylor Swift
It's like, I'd say all my hobbies could be categorized as, like, hobbies you could have had in the 1700s. You know, like, I get all my Grammy shit.
[37:27]
Travis Kelce
You enjoy doing all of these homey things. That's basically what you're saying.
[37:32]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. I like to sew, I specialize as you know, in children's purses and baby blankets. I make two things.
[37:40]
Travis Kelce
I know that very well.
[37:42]
Jason Kelce
Very good at these two things.
[37:43]
Taylor Swift
I love to paint. I love to cook. I have a different baking obsession every six months.
[37:51]
Jason Kelce
I'm the luckiest man in the world right now.
[37:54]
Taylor Swift
Right now. We're. We're very deep in a sourdough obsession.
[37:58]
Travis Kelce
That has taken my life. I am aware.
[38:00]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[38:01]
Travis Kelce
And I'm very deep in it now. You've got me deep in this.
[38:04]
Jason Kelce
I'm lucky. I'm lucky. I'm working as. As much as I am and running as much as I am, because I am. I'm getting the caloric intake.
[38:11]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. He asked to send him two loaves of sourdough at training camp. I'm like. I'm like, wrapping sourdough loaves in like. Like Saran Wrap or whatever. Like. Like cling film. The sourdough's taken over my life in a huge way. I'm really talking about bread 60% of the time. It's. It's become. It's become a huge, huge factor.
[38:38]
Jason Kelce
I mean, and she's getting good with making all these different versions of it.
[38:42]
Taylor Swift
Oh, yeah.
[38:43]
Jason Kelce
My favorite one is probably. I mean, the regular sourdough is one of my favorites, but the blueberry.
[38:48]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, we do. There's a blueberry lemon. There's cinnamon swirl, cinnamon raisin. And this one I've been workshopping for the girls because they love everything. Rainbow funfetti, sourdough.
[39:00]
Travis Kelce
Oh, my gosh.
[39:00]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[39:01]
Travis Kelce
Blow their Mind.
[39:02]
Taylor Swift
No, it will. Because they love sprinkles. Like, we put. You know, we put sprinkles in everything when we hang out. Yeah, it's really. Yeah.
[39:12]
Jason Kelce
She's a loafer for life now.
[39:13]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. And it's. It's gotten. It's gotten pretty crazy over here. I'm just, like, always, like, baking bread and texting my friends and being like, can I send you some bread? I need some feedback. Do you like this one better than you liked the other one? Like, I did the rise a little differently. I'm on, like, sourdough blogs. There's a whole community of us, and I didn't know it.
[39:37]
Jason Kelce
Oh, my gosh.
[39:37]
Taylor Swift
This is an.
[39:38]
Jason Kelce
The amount of people hoping that you're on their blog.
[39:41]
Taylor Swift
Oh, I'm on your blog, girl. I'm on your blog. But it's like, I just didn't know this. There's people like me out there, and this is where the Internet is good. This is where the Internet is a good place where you can curate a reality where, like, all I really use the Internet for is sourdough. And when Travis shows me videos of otters on his Instagram algorithm, I want.
[40:06]
Jason Kelce
I want a wild otter so bad. I just want to, like, find these little creatures.
[40:11]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, he does. But he wants.
[40:12]
Travis Kelce
Why a wild one? Why wouldn't you? Aren't they all wild?
[40:17]
Jason Kelce
Oh, no, there's domestic.
[40:19]
Taylor Swift
He wants one specifically whose life he saved. Who knows that he saved? It's a really specific type of otter he's looking for.
[40:29]
Jason Kelce
The. The videos that I watch are. Somebody just in a canoe.
[40:32]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. He doesn't want to, like, go up to an otter and take it from its mother. He wants to see an otter. And the otter's like, my paw's caught in a shell. And he's like, I got you. And then the otter's like, thank you forever with its little paws every time. And then it's. And you're kayaking, and it's, like, doing this to you. Like, that's what he wants, and I want it, too. Honestly. Who doesn't?
[40:55]
Travis Kelce
Yeah. I mean, who doesn't?
[40:56]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, right?
[40:57]
Travis Kelce
Yeah. So, I mean, do otters eat bread? Can we get a sourdough eating out? Or that might be.
[41:02]
Taylor Swift
We're gonna figure. We're gonna figure that.
[41:05]
Jason Kelce
I don't know if.
[41:05]
Taylor Swift
I don't know if they do.
[41:08]
Travis Kelce
They're probably.
[41:09]
Taylor Swift
But yeah, we had discussed maybe, like, carrying around cans of sardines just in case we run into one.
[41:15]
Travis Kelce
Nice.
[41:15]
Taylor Swift
It's. It's. It's better in principle than it is in practice. Easier to. Easier to conceptualize.
[41:20]
Jason Kelce
Pretty easy, though. You just gotta go canoeing, which is.
[41:23]
Taylor Swift
Also easier in principle than it is in practice for us in terms of just the weight balance.
[41:28]
Jason Kelce
I'm on the hunt. I'm on the hunt for a friend.
[41:32]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. Stuff you didn't know you needed to know, right, Jason?
[41:35]
Travis Kelce
I mean, I love otters. I don't know who does what life.
[41:38]
Jason Kelce
After Eras tour is, though, Jason. You gotta, like, it's. So.
[41:41]
Travis Kelce
I'm retired. I am all in on this. I want to bake. I just don't have the planning behind it. Taylor's a planner, and she's gonna have the sourdough alive. We're not gonna keep a sourdough alive. I've. I've folded. I've.
[41:53]
Jason Kelce
What is it?
[41:54]
Taylor Swift
I've.
[41:54]
Jason Kelce
What's the.
[41:55]
Taylor Swift
He's actually done it. He's actually done it.
[41:57]
Jason Kelce
Yeah, I've made a loaf.
[41:58]
Taylor Swift
He's.
[41:58]
Jason Kelce
You've had one of my loafs.
[41:59]
Taylor Swift
He's actually done. He's done all of it. Like, we've. We've set it up where it's like, I've got a station and he's got a station, and he's done all of it. Okay, so he's actually baked, too. Yeah.
[42:08]
Jason Kelce
I've stretched and folded before.
[42:09]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[42:10]
Travis Kelce
But there's just, like, something slightly wrong.
[42:13]
Taylor Swift
No, his was actually. His rose higher than mine. His was more delicious than mine. It's like. It's also, you know, no directions over here.
[42:21]
Jason Kelce
Jason's.
[42:21]
Taylor Swift
I get into the.
[42:22]
Jason Kelce
No chance. Jason, you've had it and you said you loved it.
[42:25]
Travis Kelce
I'm not saying it's not good, but it's no way as good as Taylor's.
[42:29]
Taylor Swift
That's not true.
[42:30]
Travis Kelce
I'm telling you, if you. If you took, like, two chunks and you sent it off to the lab, there's gonna be so many more germs and microbes.
[42:38]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God.
[42:39]
Jason Kelce
Oh.
[42:39]
Taylor Swift
Ew. The. The bacteria count.
[42:44]
Travis Kelce
What is the fungus in this? That's on this one?
[42:47]
Jason Kelce
Yeah, that's the sour, Jason.
[42:49]
Travis Kelce
That's the sour. Okay.
[42:50]
Taylor Swift
Why is there chest hair in it? How did you.
[42:53]
Jason Kelce
Yeah, there's, like, the apron's too low.
[42:55]
Taylor Swift
There's, like, chest hair in his. There's cat hair in mine. It's just like, both of these are completely inedible. But it's crazy how you can. How many puns you can make, because I do the whole. I got bread bags and I got labels, and so it's. You can. You can really go for it. With the puns. You go, are you ready for it?
[43:19]
Jason Kelce
Are you ready?
[43:22]
Taylor Swift
Flower song is the slamming screen door. That's horrible. It's a loaf story, baby. Just say yeast.
[43:31]
Travis Kelce
Just say yeast. Yeah.
[43:34]
Taylor Swift
What's. What song?
[43:36]
Jason Kelce
Keep going.
[43:37]
Travis Kelce
It's a loaf story.
[43:37]
Taylor Swift
I should have said dough. No, it's, it's horrible. Loafing him was bread. It's bad. You don't know that song, and that's okay.
[43:50]
Jason Kelce
I love you.
[43:51]
Taylor Swift
It wasn't on the tour.
[43:54]
Travis Kelce
Tour. So we do have this. I did that up 21 countries. Did you learn anything throughout the play? Is there anything at the end of the tour when you were wrapping up that you wish you had been doing the whole time? Is there anything you would do differently now that the entire tour is wrapped up?
[44:11]
Taylor Swift
No, I, I, I'm really glad that I didn't know it would have gone on as long as it did. I'm, I'm glad that I got to, like, actually be prepared for this tour the way that I was. Because, you know, in previous tours, I had noticed that I would get on the tour and I'd have to, like, get my stamina up throughout the tour. And by the last quarter of the tour, I'd finally hit my stride, stamina wise, and I'd be like, oh, I can do this easily every night.
[44:39]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[44:39]
Taylor Swift
I wanted to be at that point at the beginning of the ERAS tour. So that's why I did so much more training, so much more endurance training and, and cardio and stuff that, you know, doesn't come naturally because I'm not an athlete. So it's like that stuff I have to really force myself to do.
[44:55]
Travis Kelce
Don't you say that.
[44:56]
Taylor Swift
I mean, don't you dare say how I feel. And I don't even, it's not like I say that in a disparaging way. I, I, I don't care at all.
[45:05]
Travis Kelce
Why do we take it that way?
[45:06]
Taylor Swift
I don't know. Yeah, I'm like, I, I really, I'm not an athlete. And that's, that's fine. Like, I play.
[45:11]
Jason Kelce
I take it that way because we're undefeated on the beer pong table. I've seen you throw a football.
[45:17]
Taylor Swift
No, that's not good. And you know that's not good.
[45:19]
Jason Kelce
It does. No, it does. You can.
[45:22]
Taylor Swift
No spiral.
[45:23]
Jason Kelce
Yes.
[45:24]
Taylor Swift
You, you gotta, you gotta be real better than me. Because it's not. There's no spiral. I don't think I've ever caught anything that's ever been thrown to me, near me, around disinterested.
[45:34]
Jason Kelce
In being an athlete.
[45:35]
Taylor Swift
That's true.
[45:36]
Travis Kelce
Can you hit something with a stick? That's a telltale sign of an athlete. Good with a stick.
[45:41]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. No. I don't know, Jason. We. I've never tried that. So it's like, we're going.
[45:44]
Travis Kelce
We gotta try this out now.
[45:45]
Jason Kelce
We're going out back out.
[45:46]
Taylor Swift
Here's the thing, right? My relationship with sports was like. You know, I grew up in Pennsylvania. I always heard my dad yelling at the screen, watching Eagles games. That was always the sports sounds that I heard in my house. However, I was up in my room playing guitar, learning instruments, playing piano. Just. I was focused on different things. I was like, so laser focused on music. And that's how I was in school. Like, I. I would go to sporting events so that I could sing the national anthem. Like, everything was a means to an end to get me to get to do music. I've. I know every halftime show from the Super Bowls, but I don't. I didn't watch the sports. And so watching the tour and seeing.
[46:26]
Jason Kelce
That power skip, I knew you were an athlete from the. From the. From the power skip.
[46:30]
Travis Kelce
That's.
[46:30]
Taylor Swift
You're just saying.
[46:31]
Jason Kelce
It's one of my favorite parts.
[46:32]
Taylor Swift
Telling lies.
[46:33]
Jason Kelce
To see you just skipping down that.
[46:34]
Taylor Swift
Runway just looking like a giraffe that slims were put on all.
[46:37]
Jason Kelce
Not everybody can. Everybody can skip, but not everybody can power skip.
[46:40]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[46:41]
Jason Kelce
That takes athletics.
[46:42]
Taylor Swift
Thank you. I appreciate that. What a unique compliment. So, yeah, I. I definitely became obsessed with sports when it came to him. I'm competitive on his behalf, but, like, if you and me are gonna go against each other in something athletic, like, I'm gonna let you win, because this, to me, like, I don't see why. What do the points even mean? If I'm doing it, I'm a fan of athletics and the sports. If I'm doing the sports, like, I'm throwing like this, because I don't. What. I don't really care if it goes where it's supposed to go.
[47:15]
Travis Kelce
Interesting.
[47:16]
Taylor Swift
It doesn't bother me. And when we're in the heated battle, I'm not embarrassing. That's fine.
[47:20]
Jason Kelce
Good teammate. So she'll. She'll give effort. If you're. If it's teamed up, it's individual sports, she's not going to care. But if she needs to be held accountable.
[47:26]
Taylor Swift
If I'm on his team and we're playing beer pong or something, like, I'm really trying.
[47:29]
Travis Kelce
You're. Now you're in.
[47:30]
Taylor Swift
You're a team sport because this Matters to him, right?
[47:33]
Travis Kelce
Absolutely.
[47:34]
Taylor Swift
I'm a team gal.
[47:36]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[47:37]
Taylor Swift
Put me. Put me on an Olympic. One person trying to do some stuff. Sport. I'm doing this.
[47:44]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[47:45]
Taylor Swift
I don't care.
[47:45]
Travis Kelce
Getting out of here. Yeah.
[47:46]
Taylor Swift
I'm. I'm doing this. I care.
[47:49]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[47:49]
Taylor Swift
I'm doing this. I care this. Care a lot.
[47:53]
Travis Kelce
We're doing this. We're knitting, kneading dough. We care.
[47:56]
Jason Kelce
Stretching for.
[47:57]
Taylor Swift
I don't care if this happens. I don't care if this goes here. It's not part of my metrics for my self worth.
[48:02]
Travis Kelce
All right. That's probably very healthy, to be honest with you.
[48:05]
Taylor Swift
Hey, you know, I was like, as long as you're fine with this.
[48:10]
Jason Kelce
What? No, I'm completely fine with you being an athlete.
[48:12]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, I'm not an athlete. I'm never gonna be.
[48:14]
Travis Kelce
You just missed the whole point.
[48:15]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. What he sees what he wants to see, and it bodes well for me.
[48:23]
Travis Kelce
Do you have a favorite thing from the ERAS tour?
[48:25]
Taylor Swift
I have a lot of favorite things from the ERAS tour. I would look out and I would see a lot of bonding happening between generations of people.
[48:33]
Travis Kelce
Gosh, that's so true.
[48:34]
Taylor Swift
It was really wonderful. It was like the most incredible feeling in the world because I can see all that. I've got Lasik. I have incredible vision. Basically, the ERAS tour. I think one of my favorite things was when the fans would come up with their own traditions. Right. Because I can. I can plan a stage show that's like, we know exactly what's happening when it's going to happen. It's very stage managed. It's a whole production. Right. And I love to plan. But I also do love surprises. Like, there's a time during the European, like, of the ERAS tour, there's a song called Willow where we do a performance where we have these. It's a very, like, witchy performance. We have these, like, light up orbs and wearing cloaks. And it's all very. And the fans decided that they were going to bring their own light up orbs. And by that I mean balloons that they would blow up in the audience. Like, okay. And then they would light their. They would use their phone light behind it and create a light up orb when I tell you. I looked out. Yep. Or a glow stick, whatever. Like, they would figure out ways to illuminate them themselves. And it was insane to look out and see spontaneously thousands of these orbs just go up. And I'd just be like, I. I don't even know who organized this.
[49:53]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[49:53]
Taylor Swift
Was there a group Text. How did you guys even do this? It was so cool. It was so special. It felt like we were all part of something together in a way that couldn't be planned. And there's. As much as I love and relish in planning, it was really fun that they would do things to sort of delight me every once in a while. They had little chants. They had all these traditions. By the end of the tour, it was like Rocky Horror Picture show, where they have their own.
[50:17]
Jason Kelce
They have their own show, literally.
[50:19]
Travis Kelce
Right?
[50:19]
Jason Kelce
It was. I remember being in Gelsen Gerkin Germany.
[50:22]
Taylor Swift
And you know what.
[50:23]
Travis Kelce
What did you just say?
[50:25]
Jason Kelce
Gelsenkirkin.
[50:26]
Taylor Swift
Love him learning that.
[50:28]
Travis Kelce
Yeah, that's our actual. That's a city.
[50:29]
Taylor Swift
He came to Gelsenkirchen. I think that's how you supported me there.
[50:33]
Jason Kelce
If you say with a German accent, it probably sounds more like the actual city, but okay. My American accent is Gelson Gerkin Kelsen. And I remember seeing that part of the show, and they were literally doing circles and, like, putting the orbs up in the air and passing them to each other. Like, they were performing.
[50:51]
Taylor Swift
It was so beautiful. They were so committed. I've never. I've never played for crowds that were as committed.
[50:56]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[50:57]
Taylor Swift
So I think I loved the event of it. Like, I'm always. I'm always trying to figure out how to make music into more of an event. Right. How do we make it romantic? How do we make it something that people experience together? And, you know, that's why I love vinyl. That's why I love, you know, putting so much into the tour or a music video or events or activities for them to do or Easter eggs or little puzzles for them to solve. Like, it's gotten to the point where it's just like. It's a little bit it. People are like, the Easter eggs thing is getting a little zodiac killer at this point. I'm like, as long as they like.
[51:34]
Travis Kelce
It, you know, how do you go about, like, knowing how to do an Easter egg? I don't even know, like, where does that process start?
[51:41]
Taylor Swift
Are you like, well, I have some parameters.
[51:44]
Travis Kelce
What is the art of the Easter egg?
[51:46]
Taylor Swift
The art of the Easter egg, is it. There's. There's do's and don'ts, right? Like, I'm never gonna plant an Easter egg that ties back to my personal life. It's always going to be towards music or a musical. Something I'm coming up with something I have coming up a plan I have coming together. Something that you don't know I'm saying for A specific reason that you'll hear later and you'll go back and be like, oh, my God. Like, I think my favorite one of those was I was given an honorary doctorate from nyu, and I. I made the commencement speech, and I put so many lyrical Easter eggs in that speech that when the Midnights album came out after that, the fans were like, the whole speech was an Easter egg.
[52:39]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[52:39]
Taylor Swift
And that's. For me, that's really fun because I. Because they find it fun, for sure. And also just. I love numerology. I love math stuff. I love dates. I love certain. I just. That's stuff, like, I find really fun. And, you know, we. I want Easter eggs to be a certain thing where, like, if you are a part of the fandom and you want to experience, like, music in a normal way, then. Then you don't even see these. You don't even care what that thing is above that doorway in. Under that dimly lit, flickering light over there that's upside down, backwards in braille. I. You don't. You don't need to know what that is.
[53:17]
Travis Kelce
I love this. Yeah.
[53:19]
Taylor Swift
But if you want. If you want to look at that.
[53:22]
Travis Kelce
But if you do, then it's there. Yeah.
[53:25]
Taylor Swift
You know what I mean? Like, if you know. You know. You know.
[53:28]
Travis Kelce
Oh, yeah. What's. Then, you know, let's talk about something. I don't know. What is numerology? You threw that phrase out there. Like, that's a comment. What is numerology? Do.
[53:36]
Jason Kelce
You don't know what numerology is?
[53:38]
Travis Kelce
I'm assuming something with numbers.
[53:40]
Jason Kelce
Yeah. Like, I'm 87, and she's 13.
[53:43]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. Literally, it's that simple.
[53:44]
Jason Kelce
Just numbers and 100.
[53:47]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. 13 plus 87 equals 100. That's numerology.
[53:51]
Travis Kelce
Like numbers.
[53:52]
Taylor Swift
Numbers that have a specific significance. Like. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's. Yeah. Do you not keep it 100 ever?
[54:00]
Travis Kelce
I'm trying to. I'm. I attempt to.
[54:04]
Taylor Swift
It's crazy that you don't.
[54:05]
Travis Kelce
What numbers do I have?
[54:07]
Taylor Swift
Like, that.
[54:09]
Travis Kelce
Kylie, I don't know how to do this.
[54:12]
Taylor Swift
It's okay.
[54:12]
Travis Kelce
It's not my favorite number 13, though. It always has been, Travis. I know.
[54:16]
Taylor Swift
And that's part of the numerology of why we're dating.
[54:19]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[54:20]
Jason Kelce
Part of it.
[54:21]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[54:21]
Jason Kelce
It's been in my life.
[54:23]
Taylor Swift
Right.
[54:23]
Travis Kelce
Travis. Travis likes people that like the number 13.
[54:26]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[54:26]
Travis Kelce
What is liking the number 13 say about us, though?
[54:29]
Taylor Swift
It says that we're family in. In trichodectaphilia. I think it is. Is the.
[54:37]
Travis Kelce
What?
[54:37]
Taylor Swift
The obsession with.
[54:39]
Jason Kelce
No, man. It's every day, dude. This is everything.
[54:42]
Taylor Swift
You know what that means?
[54:43]
Jason Kelce
Every day.
[54:44]
Travis Kelce
Trichodelphophilia. So that's the obsession with specifically number 13 or something. I'm sorry.
[54:49]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. Triska. Decked. Trisca. Decephobia is when you hate. Is when you love it.
[54:55]
Travis Kelce
Ophelia is love. I. I don't know why. I think it was like everybody else was afraid of number 13, so I'm.
[55:01]
Taylor Swift
Like, yeah, that's phobia.
[55:03]
Travis Kelce
That's okay.
[55:04]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. You're just being contrarian, which I love. I love that about you. All right, well, you're just like, you want to do this? I'm going to do this.
[55:10]
Travis Kelce
That's exactly how I sound.
[55:16]
Taylor Swift
All right, Jason.
[55:18]
Travis Kelce
Let's get Jason.
[55:19]
Taylor Swift
Jason. Jason.
[55:21]
Travis Kelce
All right. Favorite. Favorite thing about the Heiress tour was besides going to it and just being like this amazed at everything, I think I was on another podcast recently, just like all of the songs, everything you just talked about, where it changes so much. Right. There's something new every 20, 30 seconds. It was incredible, the non stop length of it. But I will. I'm going to be remiss if I don't say. One of the things that I love is watching Travis Kelsey get on the stage. The man in the tuxedo.
[55:51]
Taylor Swift
It was so good. It was so special. That was like. We were like. That came out because we were just do. We thought we were doing a bit. Like, we both thought we were just joking because a lot of what we're saying is like inside of a bit and we're laughing the whole time, and every once in a while, one of us be like, are you serious? Like, I. I could be. I'm. I could be serious. Are you serious?
[56:12]
Jason Kelce
Like, I was. I was serious in. And in terrifying fashion. I was like, yeah, it was like.
[56:20]
Taylor Swift
A Wouldn't it be funny if? Kind of thing.
[56:22]
Travis Kelce
Yeah. And I would try not to.
[56:25]
Jason Kelce
Fuck this.
[56:26]
Taylor Swift
It was.
[56:27]
Jason Kelce
The show's perfect. You don't want to fuck the show up, do you?
[56:29]
Taylor Swift
I knew you were going to be down for. I knew you were. If you wanted to do it. Like, I was never going to pressure you to do it. But the fact that when. When we were talking about it, we were joking, I kind of got. I saw that little twinkle in your eye where I was like, oh, he wants to do it.
[56:41]
Jason Kelce
You want me to.
[56:42]
Taylor Swift
He wants to do it.
[56:43]
Travis Kelce
He wants to.
[56:44]
Jason Kelce
You want me to go on stage?
[56:45]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, you got up there. You were so good. Every single beat. He's. His comedic timing is great. Crazy, like. And when the lights are bright, he's like. He, like, slows down time. Like, that's when he.
[56:58]
Jason Kelce
Well, no, I just black out and hope that it ends out, like, perfect.
[57:02]
Taylor Swift
That's. You said. You and I are saying the same thing.
[57:04]
Jason Kelce
I did. I did, yeah. Yeah. Like, I. I rose from that stage, and I saw how many people are looking at you. I was just like, blackout.
[57:18]
Taylor Swift
You looked so good. It was so amazing. Like, it was. It was one of the loudest, if not the loudest screams I've ever heard on the tour.
[57:25]
Jason Kelce
It was insane.
[57:26]
Taylor Swift
It really was.
[57:27]
Travis Kelce
How many? Trav, you played football in some of the biggest stadiums. You've been in front. People have been staring at your whole life. What was that moment?
[57:33]
Jason Kelce
Like, there's nothing like this. Were you, like, an ant? Like, the smallest piece of life ever. Like, that entire stadium, the floor.
[57:44]
Taylor Swift
What are all these people doing on the field?
[57:46]
Travis Kelce
How are. Holy.
[57:48]
Jason Kelce
I didn't know this place felt like this. Oh, my gosh. What is going on? I have to pick her up now. Okay, here we go.
[57:56]
Travis Kelce
Don't drop her.
[57:59]
Taylor Swift
Funny that you were actually scared about that. You could, like, throw me over a mountain and, like, climb the mountain and catch me on the other side.
[58:08]
Travis Kelce
Like, football players drop balls all the time.
[58:13]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God. It was so good. It was. It was London. It was Wembley Stadium. It was. Those were such special shows, and we had just. Wasn't this the week that I got to watch Jason meet the Royal Family?
[58:26]
Travis Kelce
It was.
[58:26]
Jason Kelce
It was.
[58:27]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. I knew you were serious when I was like, jason, do you want to go meet?
[58:32]
Jason Kelce
He was like, what do I do with my beer?
[58:34]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. I watched him have this moment with his beer where he's just like, but I want to take it. But I know that I probably should not take it. That's right. I watched this happen, and it was kind of the most.
[58:44]
Jason Kelce
What do I do when I meet.
[58:45]
Travis Kelce
I like that you picked up on it, because that was exactly what was going.
[58:48]
Taylor Swift
I don't. Like. If I don't have my beer, what do I do with this hand?
[58:51]
Travis Kelce
Now, is it disrespectful to have a.
[58:53]
Taylor Swift
Beer, or am I just, like, being. Being authentic by having the beer? I would normally have the beer. Wouldn't they want me to be myself? I'm watching you say that in your head, and it was fantastic. I don't know. I'll always remember that. I was just. Just like. I'll always remember meeting you for the first time.
[59:10]
Travis Kelce
Do we need to talk about that? That time, I did hold onto my Beer.
[59:12]
Taylor Swift
You did?
[59:13]
Travis Kelce
What was. I guess you brought it up. What was that first impression? Like, what was. Did you know I was told to be on my best behavior?
[59:21]
Taylor Swift
I didn't know what you were told, but I did know that one of the first things I saw was like, you say to Kylie, I was just shotgunning beers with the Bill's mafia, and I really want to go through one of the fire tables.
[59:35]
Travis Kelce
Yep.
[59:35]
Taylor Swift
I want to jump through it. I want to jump onto the flaming table. And she goes, okay, can we not do that right now?
[59:46]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[59:47]
Taylor Swift
And since then, I've heard her say that exact thing to your 4 year old about like, mommy, I want to throw this pudding on the wall. Wouldn't that be fun? Can we not do it right now?
[60:02]
Travis Kelce
That's a common phrase for.
[60:04]
Taylor Swift
And so I meet you. You're exactly as I thought you would be. Kylie is exactly as I thought she would be. Just like the realest, the smartest, the coolest. You're fantastic. Obviously you know that. And then, I swear to God, Jason, you flew through the window at light speed. I've never seen someone so big move so fast.
[60:27]
Jason Kelce
It's impressive.
[60:28]
Taylor Swift
It's like, you know when you see a cricket and it's here.
[60:30]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[60:31]
Taylor Swift
And then it's gone. And It's. And it's 16ft that way. You're like, did it just jump that way? How did it do that?
[60:37]
Jason Kelce
And he surprisingly. He gets more athletic the more.
[60:39]
Travis Kelce
The more beers.
[60:40]
Taylor Swift
I mean, it's really wild.
[60:41]
Travis Kelce
I really should have played in the NFL drunk. I think it would have been better.
[60:45]
Taylor Swift
You know what? Not. No. At this point, I would never argue with that. And all of a sudden, like, you're out there in the snow, you're handing me children through the window, like, trying to.
[60:54]
Travis Kelce
That was fully not my best moment.
[60:56]
Taylor Swift
It was. And like, I think it actually was.
[61:01]
Travis Kelce
And I'm Taylor. I was like, you want to see Taylor? I got you. Let's go. We're going.
[61:07]
Taylor Swift
Whose kid is that? Jason, do you know where this kid came from? But, yeah, it was. I think it was your best moment, and I think I'm very lucky to have gotten to see it. I love this, like, new world that Travis has shown me because I really. It's so fun. It's so exciting. There's so much pressure on these players that I didn't. I kind of was like, I've. I've only ever been in music and been like, you know, seeing that. But the pressure on sports is just such a different type that I have such A respect for everyone. Like, everyone I meet on his team, like, everyone I see doing this, I'm just like, you've been focused on this since you were a kid, and it shows.
[61:46]
Travis Kelce
Well, and I'm sure there's a lot of relatability there. Anybody trying to be the best at what they do and dedicating their lives to it, I mean. Yeah. Yeah.
[61:54]
Jason Kelce
And I've been. I've been so lucky because I never have gotten to see what the suite looks like when I play the game.
[62:03]
Taylor Swift
Because they didn't have.
[62:03]
Jason Kelce
I never get to see my friends and family. I never get. So now whenever I make a play, I get to see it, what it actually looks like, how much fun they're having, what. You know, the type of support that I get and how crazy it gets. So the Vegas super bowl, there was. There was a camera on the suite. And when Mikole scored that touchdown and to see everybody in that suite start.
[62:25]
Taylor Swift
Jumping, people are body slamming each other into other rooms. It was so violent.
[62:31]
Jason Kelce
It's giving me the chills.
[62:32]
Taylor Swift
Like, everybody.
[62:34]
Jason Kelce
I'm the luckiest guy in the world. That video to get everybody going, crazy people went down.
[62:39]
Taylor Swift
Like, there are people punching each other. It was like absolute chaos. And like, I have. I have every memory of that. Like, every memory of that moment is intact, but it's just like screaming and thrashing around and trying not to be taken down by this undertow of your friends going, absolutely.
[63:02]
Jason Kelce
I loved every bit of it.
[63:03]
Taylor Swift
Oh, it was so insane.
[63:04]
Travis Kelce
I mean, the suite that is the Travis Kelsey suite, that has been happening. What was your first impression of that? Of everybody in there? Who's the MVP of the suite? Who's the MVP of the suite?
[63:16]
Taylor Swift
Okay, so he's got. Which is an incredible, like a huge green flag, is that Travis has had the same friends since he's probably 4 years old.
[63:24]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[63:25]
Jason Kelce
Literally.
[63:26]
Taylor Swift
And he's incredibly good at maintaining friendships. And he's so loyal. And his friends are equally loyal. And they're just the funniest, most hilarious group of people.
[63:34]
Jason Kelce
Yeah. And you want to talk about green flags. The first game she went to, the Bears game, she literally went through the front door of the stadium.
[63:42]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. We walked right in.
[63:43]
Travis Kelce
Just right in. Like the tick.
[63:44]
Jason Kelce
Like general admission through general admission through with the. Everybody on the bus to the game. Oh, my God. I was just like, oh, she's just in it. She's down. She's down for the ride. She's here for. She's here for the fun. She's like, I'll Fucking go. I'll go through the mud. I'll be a part of Chief's kingdom.
[64:02]
Taylor Swift
Like, if this is where we walk in, this is where we walk in. I don't know what to tell you. I don't have an alternative. I'm like, you know, we just played here three months ago.
[64:09]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[64:10]
Taylor Swift
And we went a different way. But I'm not gonna say that. I'm not gonna backseat drive this.
[64:14]
Travis Kelce
What was that? Like, what were people doing?
[64:17]
Taylor Swift
I remember using, like, Ross was like, Ross is so tall and so. And so broad that it's like, that. That helps a lot. And then just. You have a lot of other. Just like, big bulky dudes that you're friends with. Green Flag, not threatened by other guys. I was walking in with. I had a hat on and I had a mask on. And I'm walking in just in the front. We're. We're walking in with thousands of people in Arrowhead and nobody. Nobody noticed.
[64:49]
Travis Kelce
Oh, my gosh.
[64:50]
Taylor Swift
There were rumors that we had been seeing each other, but I think people were like, what would they talk about?
[64:54]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[64:55]
Taylor Swift
You know?
[64:56]
Jason Kelce
Yeah. I hinted on the Pat McAfee show that I was gonna see if you would be willing to come see me rock the stage at Arrowhead.
[65:02]
Taylor Swift
It. Yeah.
[65:03]
Jason Kelce
Since I seen you make the stadium.
[65:05]
Taylor Swift
But nobody was like, oh, yeah, we're definitely gonna. We're definitely gonna see her there. And we're. Nobody see her coming in through general admission.
[65:13]
Jason Kelce
No way. This guy landed her.
[65:16]
Travis Kelce
No chance.
[65:17]
Jason Kelce
No chance. That whole podcast thing worked.
[65:18]
Travis Kelce
I didn't believe it when you told.
[65:19]
Taylor Swift
Me you manifested it.
[65:21]
Jason Kelce
I did.
[65:21]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[65:22]
Taylor Swift
You summoned me. Here I am.
[65:24]
Travis Kelce
Andy Reid has recently revealed that he was the one who set you guys up. How true is this revelation by Big Red?
[65:32]
Taylor Swift
Whatever Andy Reid says, we're gonna stand by.
[65:36]
Travis Kelce
We're not gonna refute anything.
[65:37]
Taylor Swift
He says it. That's what happened.
[65:39]
Jason Kelce
Big Red. It's all the same.
[65:41]
Taylor Swift
That's what happened. He's been friends with my dad. My dad is the most social man who's ever been born.
[65:46]
Jason Kelce
Shout out to Scott.
[65:47]
Travis Kelce
I was about to say, who's not friends with Scott?
[65:49]
Taylor Swift
He's just like. He's just a maniac. He will make a friend in an Airport in 1971, have a five minute conversation and still be talking to that dude twice a week now. And. But he's like that with everyone he meets. Like, he has. He's able to have very many very meaningful relationships. And it's. It's a skill.
[66:09]
Jason Kelce
It's a talent.
[66:10]
Taylor Swift
It is.
[66:11]
Jason Kelce
It is A mind boggling talent that I have only known him to have.
[66:15]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, yeah, he's a savant. It is impressive social savant, my dad. And so he knows Andy and you know, Andy's been coming to shows for years and stuff like that. So I've always had like a really positive vibe about Andy Reid. I didn't really know what, what, what the sports were that he was doing, but I knew that that was my dad's friend, Andy Reid. I now know he is literally the most iconic, legendary coach of all time. And like, from the way that you talk about him, his leadership style is so. I respect it so much.
[66:47]
Jason Kelce
Right.
[66:47]
Taylor Swift
Because I feel like it's done without like aggression or raising your voice or losing your composure. It's all very composed and focused.
[66:55]
Travis Kelce
Can happen.
[66:55]
Jason Kelce
It will rip you apart for sure.
[66:57]
Taylor Swift
But like, not.
[66:58]
Jason Kelce
You gotta be really like. But I feel like he's called.
[67:01]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like. But it's not done. It's not overdone.
[67:04]
Travis Kelce
Right.
[67:04]
Taylor Swift
Like, if you get it from him, you know, you deserve it and you're gonna shape up. That's what I heard.
[67:09]
Jason Kelce
Exactly. And yeah, there's validity to it. There's like, there's so. There's such a genuine, like, want to get better that him getting you to like, do it the right way is a. Is, it's like a disciplinary thing. It's just like he, he won't, he wouldn't be doing it unless he saw the greatness in you or he saw your ability to get it right. And he wouldn't be doing it this way if it was any other.
[67:36]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[67:37]
Jason Kelce
Way. If that makes sense.
[67:38]
Travis Kelce
It does.
[67:38]
Taylor Swift
There's a lot of heart.
[67:40]
Travis Kelce
Yeah, there's a, there's a stoicism too, which makes the heart when he shows it to you. And I think this is what you're kind of saying. Taylor, he's so, like composed and so like locked in. And then all of a sudden when he does show that little bit of like, warmth, it's like, oh, there's that teddy bear. I see him.
[67:57]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, he's funny. He's cheeky.
[67:59]
Travis Kelce
Yeah. And then.
[67:59]
Taylor Swift
But it's like everything has a reason. Like, everything is every, everything is very, like, intentional. He's like, I feel like he like coaches and lives in a very intentional way, which I think is really awesome. And it's just like a great leadership style.
[68:11]
Jason Kelce
Yeah. There's a layer of trust and there's a layer of like, discipline where you, you're going to have some Fun playing with for him, but you're going to know when you got to flip that switch to be serious and be on point and. And do it his way. He says it all the time. He's got 51%. I was like, yeah, all right. Whatever you say, boss.
[68:28]
Taylor Swift
I always feel like when you lose your shit, you lose your leadership, you know, for sure. It's just kind of. Of something I've always kind of tried to administer in what I'm doing. But he's a. He's a huge role model for that, of how he motivates people and how he does so without flying off the handle, and is just very focused on what the right thing is at the right moment, you know?
[68:50]
Travis Kelce
Yep. So what. So did Andy tell Scott something? Is that what I'm trying to. What did Andy say to Scott?
[68:56]
Taylor Swift
I mean, okay, so when you guys did the full send on the podcast.
[69:00]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[69:01]
Taylor Swift
Was a. And he was like, you want to date me? And everybody heard it. It was the. The shooting. Your shot heard around the world.
[69:09]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[69:10]
Taylor Swift
Basically everyone who likes you, which is a lot of people, started reaching out to everyone who knows me.
[69:16]
Travis Kelce
There we go.
[69:17]
Taylor Swift
I think it was like Andy was vouching for you. I think it was my. My relatives, my cousins were like, please, please, please. He's amazing. There were. There were friends that were like, he's actually an amazing guy. Like, he's so great. There was a lot of kind of people whispering in my ear about you, and I. Actually. That's not normal. Like. Yeah, it's not normal. There are people just willing to go to bat for you. Be like, you don't understand. This guy's incredible.
[69:44]
Travis Kelce
Well, Andy, well done.
[69:46]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. Thank you, Andy.
[69:47]
Jason Kelce
And Scott. And Scott. Thank you.
[69:48]
Travis Kelce
There we go. Scott. How. Speaking of which, how's Scott doing?
[69:51]
Taylor Swift
He's doing good, so he is doing incredibly well. My dad had an interesting summer. He actually had a quintuple bypass surgery, and that's a really intense surgery.
[70:03]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[70:04]
Taylor Swift
So it all happened really quick. He went in. I know he would want me to say this, because he really, like, he learned a lot through this process. He's had a healthy, perfect EKG every year that he's gone in to get his physicals. Perfect ekg?
[70:19]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[70:20]
Taylor Swift
But what. What found his five hard blockages in his heart was a resting stress test. So he's been telling all his friends, you need to get the stress test, because that's what's actually preventative. If you can find that earlier, you don't have to have a bypass surgery. You can. You can sort out those blockages with stents and things that are a lot less invasive. So he finds out that he's got these blockages. They're like, this is. We got to do this, like, tomorrow. Yeah, you. You shouldn't. Like, we don't know how you walked in here. Dude, this is crazy. So he was, of course, saying to our family, he was like, you guys are busy. I don't want you guys to have to, like, come in here. Like, you and Austin are busy. Like, just don't. You don't have to do this.
[71:03]
Jason Kelce
Like, don't bring dad. The strong dad.
[71:06]
Taylor Swift
He said something about, like, when a cat is injured, it curls up around a tree and heals itself. I was like, dad, cats don't have quintuple bypassers.
[71:13]
Jason Kelce
He tried to relate to.
[71:15]
Taylor Swift
You're just saying stuff now that doesn't mean anything to me. And so I was like, okay, I'm not gonna come there.
[71:21]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[71:21]
Taylor Swift
All right. Like, so he wakes up from surgery, and it's. It's my mom, my brother, and me, and his best friend. And he comes out of surgery, and he was. He did, like, a comedy act, a comedy set for, like, 15 minutes. He was the funniest he's ever been. And he's usually really funny, but he's like, he. We didn't know how many blockages he had. And I was like, dad, you had a quintuple bypass. You had five. That's crazy. It's more than we thought. And he's like, well, you see, I come from a very competitive family, and it was kind of wild because it was like. It was very parent child reversal in a lot of ways. Like, my brother and my mom and I were each taking shifts in the ICU and staying with them 24 7. And I remember when I was a teenager, my parents would always. The big fight we always had is I'd sneak my cell phone into my room and be talking to my best friend Abigail. Go under the covers all night, and they'd be like, you have a test tomorrow. You need to rest. We're taking your phone. Whatever.
[72:21]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[72:21]
Taylor Swift
I get to the hospital, my. My brother will have done the night shift, and he's like. He's like, hey, you got to take his phone. I caught him FaceTiming his friends all night. He needs his rest. He needs to be sleeping. He's FaceTiming all night.
[72:31]
Jason Kelce
It's like, one of the main things you need is you need that. That your body to just, like, yeah, cover.
[72:36]
Taylor Swift
And I'M like, I'm not taking his phone. He'll get mad. He's like, I'm not taking his phone. You got to be the one to take his phone. I'm like, I'm not doing it. My mom's like, I don't want to do it. My mom. So we're just like. It's like, we've got, like, our teenage. We've got to take our teenage son's phone away from him because he's FaceTiming all night. He came out of surgery, tried to give guitar picks to all the nurses and doctors, but he wasn't wearing pants, didn't have pockets, hospital gown. You know, I'm like, I'm having these moments where I'm like, this dude built playsets and swing sets and. And cribs, ribs for me. I'm building his. Like, I'm building his shower chair and his walker and his, like, bed that goes like this. Like, it's just surreal, man. And you're like, you know, we just all moved in with him for the whole summer pretty much. And just, you know, because you can't. You can't really walk on your own. We had a little harness for. For my dad, just like, walking dad on his harness. And he was like, the loveliest patient ever. He just kept saying, thank you, you over and over again, so.
[73:37]
Jason Kelce
Guy was full of life, man.
[73:38]
Taylor Swift
Yes.
[73:38]
Jason Kelce
He was appreciative that he. That he caught it.
[73:40]
Travis Kelce
He still is.
[73:41]
Jason Kelce
Yeah. You know, we had.
[73:43]
Travis Kelce
We had the FaceTime with him last time we were together, and I was like, yeah, he hasn't changed a bit. This guy's still freaking. Got the energy going.
[73:49]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, yeah, yeah. My. So, like, tribe was hanging with him the other day, and he was like, so. Sweetie, he says he's at 75%. And if this is 75, I'm truly terrible.
[74:04]
Jason Kelce
To give you the update. I'm. I'm probably at 85 to 90 now. We still got a month, though.
[74:09]
Taylor Swift
So my dad's like. My dad's like, new arteries, new me. My mom. My mom just got a new knee.
[74:14]
Jason Kelce
New knee.
[74:15]
Travis Kelce
There we go. New knee.
[74:17]
Taylor Swift
She's doing great. She's. She's scampering around. We're not quite at scampering yet, but she's doing great.
[74:22]
Jason Kelce
She's moving around.
[74:24]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. This was just like the summer of my parental upgrade upgrades. Like, we're just upgrading the parents, making sure that they live to be at least 186 years old.
[74:32]
Travis Kelce
Huge.
[74:33]
Taylor Swift
Because they're two of my best friends and I. I just adore them. And it was actually one of the most special things that's ever happened to me, like, spending all that time with them this summer and. And getting to like you. You have those long talks that you don't have when it's like a. A small, concentrated period of time. This is. This is when I learned to do the sourdough. Right. My. My parents friend Tina sends over a local shout out. Tina, shout out. T sends over, like, the best loaf of bread I've ever had in my life. To call it bread feels really, honestly, sort of like it's gold, sort of like minimizing what. This was my big old. So I'm like, I need to know what. I need to know how to do this. I go over Tina's house. She teaches me how to do it. She gives me some of her starter. Life is never the same. All these things are happening in Florida. Travis is doing his training. He's like, you look at him in Florida. Look at it. Look at him. And he's so fast. He jumps so high. So is this our Florida summer?
[75:31]
Travis Kelce
That's what it is.
[75:31]
Taylor Swift
It's a hell of a drug. We. We.
[75:35]
Jason Kelce
It's one hell of a drug.
[75:37]
Taylor Swift
Really. Florida'd it up.
[75:38]
Travis Kelce
Florida, yeah. No doubt. All right. How many people have come up to you guys and talking about or spoken about how much they've appreciated you being a part of the Chiefs and, like, their daughters all of a sudden being in the sports? Because I get it all the time.
[75:54]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[75:54]
Travis Kelce
I can't imagine how much you guys get it, how much the game has grown.
[75:58]
Taylor Swift
It definitely feels like a lot of people say that to us, which is really kind because there was never a thought in either of our heads that that was gonna be.
[76:07]
Jason Kelce
I had no idea that was. Yeah, that was a pleasant surprise. Seeing all the little girls in the stands at games, and you can see a proud father right there standing next to him. It's. It's a. It's. It's definitely been fun to see that, like, surprise, you know, I think a lot of.
[76:22]
Taylor Swift
Like, a lot of the. The women and girls, maybe they. Maybe they, like, watched one game to see me cheer on my boyfriend or whatever, but if they. If they stayed, which is what people are saying based on the numbers, that's because the game is so great and it's such an amazing, interesting thing to learn about.
[76:40]
Jason Kelce
I will say it was. It was cool to see the comparison of it all, because she. The way she runs, her. Her tour, her show, her, like, team and everything. Like, is very, like. Like, team friendly. There are similarities in terms of her athleticism.
[76:56]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[76:56]
Jason Kelce
What she's doing for three hours.
[76:59]
Travis Kelce
I mean, I was screaming for 40 seconds during the intro, and I'm out of breath.
[77:04]
Jason Kelce
That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But the preparation.
[77:07]
Taylor Swift
I got a whole regimen for you.
[77:09]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[77:09]
Taylor Swift
We'll get you on the tour prep. It'll be great.
[77:11]
Travis Kelce
Perfect.
[77:12]
Jason Kelce
The goals that you set for yourself to achieve. Like, it's very. Like, there are. There are some similarities that I thought you found, like. Like, I don't know, like, fascinating that you kind of have that same regimen going into stuff. And I thought that was. That was fun for me to at least see when I saw you on tour and saw how much of a. Of a team you guys were on paper.
[77:31]
Taylor Swift
Like, we actually kind of have a very similar job. Like, our job is to entertain people for three plus hours in NFL stadiums. And it's like, when I'm there, it's called a dressing room. When Travis is there, it's called the locker room. For me, it's called a rehearsal. For him, it's called a practice. For him, it's called his coach. For me, it's my mom. Yeah. So there will be times for, like, game, game versus show. Right. I'll be like, baby, how was the show? Game, game. How was the rehearsal? The practice? You know, field, stage. They're the same thing. We just call them different things.
[78:09]
Jason Kelce
Yes, exactly. It was cool to see the comparisons and how it kind of, I don't know, both aligned and her. How hard she works in the gym. We've been to the gym, like, numerous times, and she works harder than me every time. That's not true.
[78:20]
Taylor Swift
That's crazy. You can, like, lift a car.
[78:22]
Travis Kelce
Okay, he's just telling.
[78:23]
Taylor Swift
He's just saying.
[78:24]
Jason Kelce
That's just saying words, but he.
[78:27]
Travis Kelce
That's one rep. That's one rep. This is what. People can stretch more.
[78:31]
Taylor Swift
That's what I can do more.
[78:32]
Jason Kelce
Yes.
[78:33]
Travis Kelce
I've heard about the. We've talked about the treadmill. Walk in while you're doing the whole show. And, like, all of that. We can't walk for four hours. When's the last time you walk for four hours, Travis?
[78:42]
Jason Kelce
I've never even tried that. I'm not stupid enough to try something like that. You kidding me? My knees would be shredded.
[78:50]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God.
[78:50]
Travis Kelce
So one of. One of the other things that's been crazy to witness is just the immediate attention. Right? Like, I think you play in the NFL.
[79:00]
Taylor Swift
You think, Travis, on the two of us.
[79:03]
Travis Kelce
Let me. Yeah, okay. The media attention on your guys relationship, on the amount of people that talk about it constantly, the theories that are out there of which I am probably way too invested in. What. How do you guys handle all of the noise and chatter about everything that's going on in both of your lives?
[79:24]
Taylor Swift
We, we don't really. I don't see a lot of things. I'm of the firm belief that like, you know, if you're basing your kind of. If you're getting your feedback from the Internet or from comments and stuff, like, I just really think that like anything you put anything you feed your brain, it will internalize. Anything you feed the Internet, it will kill.
[79:44]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[79:46]
Taylor Swift
I've been in the music industry for 20 years. My feelings at this point, she's a pro.
[79:51]
Jason Kelce
And it took me a little while to be a pro about it. I think, I think initially. And there's still some like wacko theories from the beginning that I was very like, oh no, like, how is she handling this? I. I don't. Like, the last thing I wanted to do is screw this up. So I'm like, in my mind is like her being so calm, cool, collected, and so just real and understanding about everything that's going on really made me grow up real fast in that, in that aspect of things.
[80:19]
Taylor Swift
But also I think the fact that you genuinely find a lot of online discourses to be truly hilarious.
[80:24]
Jason Kelce
Absolutely.
[80:25]
Taylor Swift
And that changes things for me because.
[80:28]
Jason Kelce
Discourse and truth, you know, find the humor in it.
[80:30]
Travis Kelce
Find the humor in it.
[80:31]
Taylor Swift
If he's seeing things and he thinks it's funny and it doesn't even affect his day at all. Like, that's really completely bled into the way that I metabolize these things. It's at a point where like, I can. Something can be about me. Like my name can be in the actual headline and it can still be none of my business.
[80:53]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[80:54]
Taylor Swift
People can be out here. People might be out here doing too.
[80:56]
Jason Kelce
Much, just shaking ass.
[80:58]
Taylor Swift
Doesn't mean I have to do a damn thing.
[81:00]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[81:01]
Taylor Swift
We live in such a social media moment where a lot of people's identities and they get their feedback from that. Right. And I'm a real constructive criticism guy. Like, give me constructive criticism all day. I will take it.
[81:15]
Jason Kelce
Coach me up.
[81:16]
Taylor Swift
It'll fuel me, dude. It's helpful, right? But I have so many like friends or acquaintances or people were like, they'll see one comment they don't like, right? And it will ruin their day. It'll ruin their night. Like, and I just want to say to them, like, you should. You should think of your energy as if it's expensive, as if it's like a luxury item. Not everyone can afford it. Like, not everyone has invested in you in order to be able to have the capital for you to care about this, right? Because, like, what you spend your energy on, that's the day. And it's so true, right? Like, it doesn't matter where you were. Like, maybe you went to go get coffee today. Maybe you saw friends today. If you were obsessing over one thing that you saw. Like, you literally, like, saw some guy call you mid and this. And you. You can't.
[82:04]
Jason Kelce
No, he did.
[82:05]
Taylor Swift
You can't stop thinking about it, dude. That's the day, then that's the night, then. And so I. I just.
[82:11]
Jason Kelce
Just.
[82:12]
Taylor Swift
I've been able to sort of mediate a really healthy relationship with not seeing.
[82:17]
Travis Kelce
A whole lot to what you just said to the social media expounds every. All this because everybody knows if they say one thing, but all of a sudden, if they put Taylor Swift attached to it, it's going to get a thousand more retweets and likes and hate comments or love comments or whatever. It's going to stir up tons of controversy.
[82:34]
Taylor Swift
Totally.
[82:35]
Travis Kelce
And I'm. I get this way all the time where I just recently, like, went into the facility with Cam Juergens and something was happening, like, in the social media world that I was like, why are people, like, upset at this person? This is yada yada. And Cam just hit me with, like, are they really though, or did just one person say something? Because I used to get the same way where I'd get upset. And then it took me, like, actually, nobody really gives a About Jason's early Twitter years.
[83:03]
Jason Kelce
Oh. Oh, baby.
[83:04]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God.
[83:05]
Jason Kelce
Oh, baby. He had to get off. He had to. He had to literally step away.
[83:09]
Travis Kelce
It hit me right between the eyes.
[83:11]
Jason Kelce
Because he would respond. I wouldn't say everybody, but he. He wasn't shy of letting people know how he felt on Twitter.
[83:17]
Taylor Swift
Oh, yeah.
[83:17]
Jason Kelce
Based off of their comments, it was honestly, Philadelphia. You guys know this. It was a treat. And it's become a treat again now that he's back on because you'll have a friendly conversation.
[83:30]
Taylor Swift
Right? Look, you remember Twitter? You're like, I fed a.
[83:32]
Travis Kelce
Who me?
[83:32]
Taylor Swift
A squirrel, ate a piece of bread. Didn't know they.
[83:35]
Jason Kelce
I know. I need to get back on Twitter.
[83:36]
Taylor Swift
Smashed it.
[83:37]
Jason Kelce
Now that there's autocorrect, I need to.
[83:39]
Travis Kelce
Get back on Twitter.
[83:40]
Taylor Swift
To be right. I'm like, I need a pair of scissors to open this. These scissors. Like, we're just thinking things. Right. It's like a different thing now. And it's kind of about, like, information is power, I guess. Unless all of your information is geared towards you thinking that everything is about you. Because, you know. No. Not everyone is ever thinking about one person all the time at any point. It's just like, if your algorithm is giving you either criticisms of yourself or adulation or praise, it's. You're creating an ecosystem in which you're the centerpiece of the table. And I just don't think that's healthy. Like, that's not the way I want to move through the world. So I do detach from the Internet in a huge way. Like, I'm just not. I have never. I have had my comments disabled on Instagram for, like, 10 years now.
[84:31]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[84:32]
Taylor Swift
And it's very. I don't miss it.
[84:34]
Jason Kelce
Yeah. I found that out after the Heirs tour. Comments were going to be the first way.
[84:40]
Travis Kelce
Dude. The problem is I get so mad, I then go and look at all the other comments, and then Twitter just feeds me more.
[84:48]
Jason Kelce
Dude, you're on, like, Reddit.
[84:49]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[84:53]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[84:53]
Taylor Swift
Whereas. Whereas, I'm like, I don't know what this is, but get out of my office. It's on fire.
[84:57]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[84:57]
Taylor Swift
My business is. Is making music and taking care of my fans, and I have ways of monitoring what they want from me and how best to entertain them, which is my job.
[85:08]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[85:09]
Taylor Swift
And everything else. I'm just sort of like, it's not my business. I have actual business that I need to run. Can you imagine if we just talked about what people said about our relationship? Because that. If we talked about that, that would be all we talked about. Because there's so much chatter. It's like we're busy having an actual relationship.
[85:30]
Jason Kelce
I want to hear sour. Sourdough bread puns.
[85:32]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, and you will. And that's a promise.
[85:37]
Travis Kelce
All right, let's get to the part of this show that I think is what everybody is going to be talking about.
[85:46]
Taylor Swift
Do I get to say it? Do I get to say. I get to say the two words? Yes.
[85:51]
Travis Kelce
Well, you. I think we were going to try.
[85:52]
Taylor Swift
I think this is what I.
[85:53]
Travis Kelce
You could do whatever you want. Taylor.
[85:55]
Jason Kelce
I don't know.
[85:55]
Travis Kelce
We're not going to review. This is very much whatever.
[85:58]
Taylor Swift
Within the framework of the podcast. I'm a fan of the podcast.
[86:01]
Travis Kelce
Typically, we would allow the guests to say new news.
[86:04]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, Yeah, I want to do it.
[86:05]
Travis Kelce
But with Zach Brown, we had another bit that we did. I don't know if you saw.
[86:10]
Jason Kelce
I don't know if we can get harmonized. I've not got. I forgot everything that Zach taught me already.
[86:15]
Travis Kelce
All right, let's just let the expert take care of this.
[86:17]
Taylor Swift
Okay. I just wanted. I wanted to scream it Taylor, just Travis style. Do you mean to start it or echo it?
[86:22]
Jason Kelce
I think Taylor has a little bit of new.
[86:24]
Taylor Swift
New, new, new.
[86:29]
Travis Kelce
She's a natural. She's a natural.
[86:30]
Taylor Swift
It was as fun as I thought it was going to be. Oh, it was everything. It was everything and more.
[86:36]
Travis Kelce
We did talk about Easter eggs earlier.
[86:38]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[86:39]
Travis Kelce
And at the very last ERAS tour, you didn't take the lift.
[86:43]
Taylor Swift
You did that.
[86:44]
Travis Kelce
You went upstage and exited through an orange door. Why did you change the ending?
[86:51]
Taylor Swift
So that's. I'm happy you mentioned that. Did you see that? Fans. Did you see that? The fans noticed this? Because I was pretty proud of them for noticing that.
[86:58]
Travis Kelce
They know I was surfing the Internet and saw something.
[87:02]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. So that was. I was pretty happy that they noticed that I was like, trained him well. So basically every night of the ERA.
[87:10]
Travis Kelce
Is everything happens with the reason. Taylor's a planner. She's not just a random orange door.
[87:15]
Jason Kelce
Just eggs everywhere.
[87:16]
Taylor Swift
What's happening there, why is why, and why. Anyway, so I would leave the stage every night going down the elevator lift. That's how every single ERAS show ended. Except for one. Except for the last one where I exited through a door. An orange door, to be specific. And that actually was an Easter egg. Basically, the reason why I chose to exit that way is because I kind of wanted to give a little subliminal hint to the fans that I may be leaving the ERAS tour era. But I was also entering a new era. A new era. So I wanted to show you something.
[87:57]
Travis Kelce
Okay. What do we got?
[87:59]
Taylor Swift
We got a briefcase. Yep.
[88:03]
Travis Kelce
Mint green with TS on it.
[88:05]
Taylor Swift
Yep.
[88:05]
Travis Kelce
What's in it?
[88:07]
Taylor Swift
This is my brand new album.
[88:15]
Jason Kelce
We got ts12, baby.
[88:18]
Taylor Swift
This is my brand new album. It's called the Life of a Showgirl.
[88:22]
Travis Kelce
Love it.
[88:23]
Taylor Swift
It was something that I was working on while I was in Europe on the ERAS tour.
[88:28]
Travis Kelce
So while you were on tour, I was working.
[88:29]
Jason Kelce
I would be on Earth. Did she do this on the tour? Is still blowing my mind.
[88:34]
Taylor Swift
I just love it. I just love it a lot. I love music. I would be playing shows. I do, like three shows in a row. I'd have three days off. I'd fly to Sweden, go back to the tour and actually like working on this. I was physically exhausted at this point in the tour, but I was so mentally stimulated and so excited to be creating and this is.
[88:57]
Jason Kelce
And literally living the life of a showgirl.
[88:59]
Taylor Swift
I was.
[89:00]
Jason Kelce
While she wrote it.
[89:01]
Taylor Swift
That's why I said. That's why I called it that. Nailed it. So do you want to see the back cover?
[89:07]
Travis Kelce
I would love to see all of it. Yes.
[89:08]
Taylor Swift
Back cover is where we find the 12 tracks for my 12.
[89:11]
Travis Kelce
12 tracks.
[89:12]
Jason Kelce
Bangers.
[89:14]
Taylor Swift
So we got all. So we got track one, the Fate of Ophelia.
[89:20]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[89:21]
Taylor Swift
Track two.
[89:22]
Jason Kelce
Go ahead. Go ahead. I was gonna say, do you know what fate of Ophelia is? I just. I. Hamlet. I don't want to get Jason all riled up. So let's. We can just go through the track.
[89:32]
Travis Kelce
Okay. Okay. Yeah.
[89:33]
Taylor Swift
Track two, Elizabeth Taylor.
[89:36]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[89:36]
Jason Kelce
You know who Elizabeth Taylor is?
[89:38]
Taylor Swift
You better.
[89:39]
Travis Kelce
I'm just kind of following. Just kind of following along.
[89:41]
Jason Kelce
Okay. All right.
[89:41]
Travis Kelce
All right.
[89:42]
Taylor Swift
Track three, Opalite.
[89:44]
Travis Kelce
Opalite.
[89:45]
Jason Kelce
You know what Opalite is?
[89:46]
Travis Kelce
Jason? Why? Can we stop asking me?
[89:48]
Jason Kelce
Okay. I'm done asking Jason things.
[89:50]
Taylor Swift
He's like. I hate this structure of the conversation.
[89:54]
Jason Kelce
A lot about this album, and I'm excited.
[89:57]
Taylor Swift
Track four, Father figure.
[89:59]
Travis Kelce
Father figure.
[90:00]
Taylor Swift
Track five, Eldest Daughter. Track six, Ruin the Friendship. Track seven, actually romantic.
[90:12]
Travis Kelce
Actually romantic.
[90:13]
Taylor Swift
Track eight, I wonder who that wish wish list with two dollar signs is. The S's. Point that out. Flourish. Track nine, Wood.
[90:25]
Travis Kelce
Wood. Nice.
[90:26]
Taylor Swift
Track ten, canceled, but it's in all caps with an exclamation point at the end.
[90:33]
Jason Kelce
That's a banger.
[90:34]
Taylor Swift
Track 11, honey, honey. And can I. Can you do drumroll? Last track, track 12, the title track, the Life of a Showgirl, featuring Sabrina Carpenter.
[90:49]
Travis Kelce
Sabrina Carpenter. So that's awesome.
[90:55]
Taylor Swift
So that's that.
[90:56]
Travis Kelce
Look at this.
[90:57]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[90:57]
Jason Kelce
And so then that is a showgirl.
[91:00]
Taylor Swift
We got this orange vibe.
[91:01]
Travis Kelce
And it's orange.
[91:02]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, it is. And sparkling.
[91:05]
Jason Kelce
Entering a new era.
[91:06]
Taylor Swift
Sparkly.
[91:08]
Jason Kelce
It's very nice.
[91:09]
Travis Kelce
So what is the significance of the color orange? Why orange?
[91:14]
Taylor Swift
I've just always liked it, Jason. It really. It really feels like. I don't know, it feels like. It feels like kind of energetically how my life has felt. And this album is about what was going on behind the scenes in my inner life during this tour, which was so exuberant and electric and. And vibrant. And, you know, one of the things about this record is, like, it's. It's a record I made with my mentor Max Martin, and Shellback. And this. The three of us have made some of my favorite songs that I've ever done before.
[91:48]
Travis Kelce
Which ones, if you don't mind me asking?
[91:49]
Taylor Swift
Well, they were my main collaborators on the Red album we did. We are never getting back together. I knew you were trouble. 22. Shake it off, blank Space Style. Wildest Dreams.
[92:00]
Travis Kelce
Oh, hell yes.
[92:04]
Taylor Swift
Ready for it.
[92:04]
Travis Kelce
So that's the.
[92:05]
Jason Kelce
That's the energy we're going with. Yes. I understand why it's orange now. Okay.
[92:08]
Taylor Swift
So, yeah, we've made. We've made songs that I'm so proud of.
[92:11]
Travis Kelce
There's gonna be some bangers. Yes. I'm picking it up.
[92:15]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, it's.
[92:15]
Jason Kelce
It's like telling you it's 12.
[92:16]
Taylor Swift
It's like that. And so basically, we've never actually made an album before where they're. Where it's just the three of us. There's no other collaborators. It's just the three of us making a focused album where. I mean, it felt like. It felt like catching lightning in a bottle. Honestly, we hadn't worked together in, like, seven or eight years, and this feeds.
[92:36]
Jason Kelce
This feeds.
[92:37]
Taylor Swift
They're just. There's just. They're just something. There's something about them. These guys, they, like. They're just geniuses in. In different avenues, in different ways, and we kind of. I'm gonna put it down. I just. Travis never like this. Today's the first day I've seen it. Do you know what I mean? I'm just like. So Travis is just gonna cradle it the whole time.
[93:00]
Travis Kelce
Don't drop the baby.
[93:01]
Jason Kelce
I will not drop this baby.
[93:03]
Taylor Swift
So it's like working with them again was absolutely incredible. And actually, when I was on tour in Stockholm, I had Max Martin come out to the show, and I was talking to him, and I was like, I. I just feel like. I feel like we could just knock it out of the park if we went back in. And we did this all in Sweden, and it was just us three. Like, I want to. I essentially said to him, I want to be as proud of an album as I am of the ERAS tour, and for the same reasons, you know? And. And he was like, do you understand what kind of pressure that is?
[93:34]
Travis Kelce
Yeah, that is okay.
[93:36]
Taylor Swift
I was like, yeah.
[93:37]
Jason Kelce
Why would you. Yeah, we can try.
[93:39]
Travis Kelce
So your entire career. Got it. Yeah, we can do that in one album.
[93:42]
Taylor Swift
Let's do that.
[93:44]
Travis Kelce
Well, okay.
[93:45]
Taylor Swift
So it's like, you know, I spent time in the time that we were off doing different projects, and he and Shellback were doing different things, and I was making albums that were a little bit more esoteric, like Folklore.
[93:59]
Travis Kelce
She's so Hot.
[94:00]
Jason Kelce
She says these big words.
[94:01]
Taylor Swift
You know what esoteric means?
[94:02]
Jason Kelce
I know. It's for specific following.
[94:04]
Taylor Swift
Exactly. Exactly.
[94:05]
Travis Kelce
Wait, what?
[94:07]
Taylor Swift
He knows what that means. He pretends he doesn't know what these words mean, but he knows what it means.
[94:10]
Jason Kelce
Esoteric means for a specific following, like, a specific genre, people.
[94:14]
Taylor Swift
He knows what it means.
[94:15]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[94:16]
Taylor Swift
He's doing. He does like. He does like a pretty I don't know what it means thing, but he knows all the words, and he knows what they mean. I don't know. And he may not have read Hamlet, but I explained it to him. Okay, there we go.
[94:25]
Jason Kelce
Don't tell my middle school English teacher I didn't read him because I definitely.
[94:33]
Travis Kelce
Was supposed to spark notes.
[94:35]
Jason Kelce
It's all right. I watched the live thing.
[94:38]
Taylor Swift
See? He knows what Hamlet is.
[94:41]
Travis Kelce
Wait, Lion King is based off of Hamlet?
[94:43]
Taylor Swift
Yes.
[94:44]
Jason Kelce
Jason, your Reddit searches need to be more focused on relevant things.
[94:49]
Taylor Swift
We need to get. We need your relationship with the Internet to be, like, a little bit purer.
[94:53]
Jason Kelce
Don't. I. I got the algorithm. I got that relationship with the.
[94:58]
Travis Kelce
My relationship with the Internet is bad. It is about as bad as it can get.
[95:01]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[95:02]
Travis Kelce
Sorry.
[95:03]
Taylor Swift
No, you're fine. So I was like, I. I made a few records that were a bit more, like, specific in their sound or whatever, like, folklore evermore. Those were a little bit more, like alt folk kind of leaning and just kind of exploring and trying to challenge myself as a writer. And I feel like both Max and Shellback did that, too, in their own ways, going out into the world. And when we. By the time we came back together, I feel like we had so much more dexterity to what we do, and it's almost like we'd all grown up so much. Like, Shellback and I were both in our early 20s when we started working together, the three of us. And so it was very much like we were the ingenues and Max was the mentor. And this was the time where it felt like all three of us in the room were carrying the same weight as creators, and it was really special. It, like, meant the world to me to have this creative experience where, like, we knew that we had to bring the best ideas we've ever had.
[95:56]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[95:57]
Taylor Swift
And I know. I also know the pressure I'm putting on this record by saying that, but I don't care, because I love it that much, and I'm so proud of it, and. And it just comes from, like, the most infectiously joyful, wild, dramatic place I was in. In my life. And so that effervescence has come through on this record. And, like, as you said, bangers and bangers. And we were just like, there's no other songs coming. It's not like, like, with Torture Poets Department. I was like, here's a data dump of everything I thought, felt.
[96:32]
Travis Kelce
There's a lot of songs on that one.
[96:33]
Taylor Swift
In two or three years, it's. So here's 31 songs. This is 12. There's not a 13th. There's not a four. There's not other ones coming. This is the record I've been wanting to make for a very long time.
[96:44]
Travis Kelce
I love it. I love this so much. Can we. So let's. Where do we start? I don't know where to start. You gave us a lot of information right there.
[96:49]
Taylor Swift
I know. We didn't tell Jason that this, that we were doing this. No, I just said, like, can I go on the podcast? Because Brad Pitt did it, and I want to do it too.
[96:59]
Jason Kelce
Jason was like, yes. I mean, we can make that happen. Happened.
[97:01]
Taylor Swift
That seems like a validation.
[97:01]
Jason Kelce
The request or the ask from either one of us was never going to come. I don't know why I would never ask you. I just, I, I, I don't know. Yeah. Brandon still hates me because I never asked you, but I think this is way better.
[97:14]
Taylor Swift
We waited till I had some stuff to say. I think.
[97:16]
Jason Kelce
There we go.
[97:17]
Taylor Swift
You know, I had to. I was waiting till I had, like, a sparkly briefcase to bring. I needed props. It took a long time to put that into production, so.
[97:26]
Jason Kelce
Well, it is finished. And do you want to tell everybody when it's coming out?
[97:31]
Taylor Swift
It comes out October 3rd.
[97:33]
Travis Kelce
October 3rd.
[97:34]
Taylor Swift
This album comes out October 3rd. It's easy to remember. It's 10:3.
[97:39]
Travis Kelce
10:3.
[97:40]
Taylor Swift
Still annoying. It is also your birthday week.
[97:42]
Travis Kelce
We got Wyatt October 2nd. We got you October 5th. And then we got mom October 9th. So this is a good. It's a good month.
[97:50]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, I picked a good month.
[97:51]
Jason Kelce
It's going to be a good week.
[97:53]
Travis Kelce
All these Libras. 10, 3, 13.
[97:57]
Taylor Swift
The opal burst.
[97:58]
Travis Kelce
I'm picking up this numerology. There we go. There we go.
[98:01]
Jason Kelce
See, I knew you never not annoying.
[98:03]
Taylor Swift
Always coachable, Always going to try to force a 13 into the situation. And. And this one was right there. It was just right there for the photos. There's a lot more. There are a lot more photos in this. And there's. There's a poem in this. And basically, I love the photography so much that I don't want to show it right now because I want to keep some Mystery going. Love it. Because that's, you know, fun to have things for sure still discover. But the photos are done by Merton Marcus, who are two of my favorite photographers. The last time and the only time I worked with them for an album cover shoot was with reputation with that album. And I loved what they did with those photos. So I called them up for this one. And I'm so happy with the way that the photos came out for this one. And it just basically was like I was so proud of the music and so excited about this project from a creative standpoint that I was just like all hands on deck. We're going all out. This is a full send. Like I care about this record more than I can even overstate.
[99:02]
Jason Kelce
It's so much fun. And I mean, I understand what she's saying. Obviously I've. I've been fortunate enough to hear every single song on here, so I know they're all 12 bangers. It's a lot more upbeat and it's a lot more like fun pop, like excitement. And I think that's. That's a completely like. I think It's a complete 180 from a lot of the songs on Torture Poets, for sure.
[99:26]
Taylor Swift
Oh yeah.
[99:27]
Jason Kelce
And.
[99:27]
Taylor Swift
And this life is more upbeat.
[99:29]
Travis Kelce
Well, that's what I was about to say. It probably. Do you find that your albums mimic everything that's happening in your personal life?
[99:36]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, like definitely.
[99:37]
Travis Kelce
Your genres that you've done are like so wide spanning between like country, pop culture and then like it can get. I don't even know Torture Poets. It was like so cathartic. It felt like for you probably to write those songs and to release all that.
[99:52]
Taylor Swift
Definitely. And it was like I have different goals with different albums and Torture Poets department, My goals were strictly lyrical. Like I.
[100:02]
Jason Kelce
And I. I felt like every song was a poem.
[100:04]
Taylor Swift
Oh yeah. And I love that album so much from that perspective. That was strictly what I was trying to accomplish. There was just really a full catharsis. And I loved to embrace the mess of, of writing from that perspective of the rawness of that this. I have a totally different set of goals. I always try to do something completely different if that's what I'm feeling at the moment. And I was feeling a complete pivot at this point in time. And I wanted the album to feel the way my life felt. And this completely matches the way that my life has felt. And I also wanted it to be just every single song is on this album for hundreds of reasons, you know, and, and, and you couldn't Take one out and it be the same album. You couldn't add one. And it be. It's just right. And that focus and that kind of discipline with creating an album and keeping the bar really high is something I've been wanting to do for a very long time. I tend to love to write lots and lots of music, so it's a temptation to release lots of music.
[101:12]
Travis Kelce
Sure.
[101:12]
Taylor Swift
I wanted to do an album that was so focused on quality and on the theme and everything fitting together like a perfect puzzle that these 12 songs for my 12th album, it just. Just. I feel like we achieved that, and I'm really happy about that.
[101:29]
Travis Kelce
So you mentioned a couple of things there. First, what is the theme of the album? If you would describe it as one, like, theme, if that's possible?
[101:37]
Taylor Swift
I would say it's everything that was going on behind the curtain.
[101:40]
Travis Kelce
Okay. And then what are the goals? You said something like there. What would be, like, your main goals with this album?
[101:46]
Taylor Swift
My main goals were melodies that were so infectious that you're almost angry at it and lyrics that are just as vivid but crisp and focused and. And completely intentional.
[102:04]
Jason Kelce
Check.
[102:05]
Taylor Swift
So it's like, I feel like we actually came together in a really beautiful way. The three of us, Shellback, Max and I, where we had a conversation about how Max was like, I loved folklore. I loved the storytelling on Folklore. I. I don't want that to change. Like, okay. Just because we're making these, like, these infectious anthems. Like, I don't want you to leave that behind. And I was like, I don't think I. I couldn't if I tried. So at this point, I'm.
[102:34]
Travis Kelce
I got some stuff to say.
[102:36]
Taylor Swift
I'm married to that kind of writing, you know? And so it was really amazing that we were able to. Without doing too much overthinking, we were able to get in there, and it was just ideas flying. And all of these ideas were like, we've been waiting years to come back together and make this project.
[102:57]
Jason Kelce
You are going to move. You are. This album is going to make you.
[103:01]
Travis Kelce
Wait until October 3rd. Do I have to wait till October 3rd? Yes, you do.
[103:03]
Jason Kelce
Jason. God damn it.
[103:04]
Travis Kelce
This is unfair.
[103:05]
Taylor Swift
We don't. We don't trust you at all.
[103:06]
Travis Kelce
Yeah. I mean, honestly, smart. I completely get it. Completely get it. The artwork. How do you settle on a. A front piece of, like, artwork for an album?
[103:17]
Taylor Swift
This represents the end of my night.
[103:19]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[103:19]
Taylor Swift
Right. So, like, when I'm on tour, I have the same day every single day. It's another reason why we have a Very similar life. His show, his game days are the same days every day. My. His practice days are the same every day. His meetings is scheduled, my show days are the same every single day. I just happen to be in a different city, and my day ends with me in a bathtub. Not usually in a bedazzled dress.
[103:44]
Travis Kelce
Sure. Well, it's got to be. It's. It's on the front of it.
[103:47]
Taylor Swift
We try to be dressed decent, you know.
[103:49]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[103:49]
Taylor Swift
I wanted to sort of, like, glamorize all the different aspects of how that tour felt, and that's how that felt. To, like, be at the end of the night when all this has gone down. You won't be able to get to bed till four in the morning after this, but you had to jump through 50 million hoops in this obstacle course. That is your show, and you did it. You got two more in a row, but you did it tonight.
[104:20]
Travis Kelce
That's all that matters.
[104:21]
Taylor Swift
And the reason I wanted to have it sort of like an offstage moment as the. The main album cover is because this album isn't really about what happened to me on stage. It's about what I was going through off stage. So it's like a. It's. You know, I didn't want to have, like, the lights are bright, I'm on the stage is the main album cover. It's just this. This, to me, tells more of what the actual content, contents, lyrically of the album are.
[104:47]
Travis Kelce
Got it.
[104:48]
Taylor Swift
Which is the. The life. The life.
[104:50]
Travis Kelce
Life of the showgirl. Not.
[104:52]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[104:52]
Travis Kelce
What you're seeing. It's the life.
[104:55]
Taylor Swift
It's the life behind it all. It's the life beyond, beyond the show.
[105:00]
Travis Kelce
Okay.
[105:01]
Jason Kelce
Which is fascinating.
[105:02]
Travis Kelce
Travis. I'm very jealous, very jealous that you've heard these songs.
[105:06]
Jason Kelce
As you should be, Jason. As you should be.
[105:10]
Travis Kelce
I think it's very fitting that it's orange. I mean, it looks like a giant sun. Pull that thing out again. Like the. It feels like it's going to be full of energy, like the record itself.
[105:18]
Jason Kelce
You have no idea, Jason.
[105:19]
Travis Kelce
All right. Look at that thing. That thing is awesome. That is so cool. Very cool. All right, well, congratulations.
[105:30]
Taylor Swift
Thank you so much, everyone.
[105:32]
Travis Kelce
You heard it here first. You have heard it here first. October 3rd is the release date of the TS12, the Life of a Showgirl.
[105:43]
Jason Kelce
Twelve bangers.
[105:44]
Travis Kelce
Congratulations, Taylor. I know you've been working on this for a long time.
[105:47]
Jason Kelce
You're going to be moving the entire.
[105:48]
Taylor Swift
Thank you so much. You can pre order it now.
[105:51]
Travis Kelce
You can pre order it now. There we go.
[105:53]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. On my website.
[105:53]
Travis Kelce
Okay, I'll be right back, guys. You heard it here first, folks. The Life of a Showgirl is available now. You can pre order it and the official Release date is 10 3. That's October 3rd.
[106:07]
Jason Kelce
Yes, sir.
[106:08]
Travis Kelce
Alrighty. We are going to move to. We got to ask. You don't have to answer. I know you're familiar with this segment, but for anybody listening, this is a segment we often get to where our guests we're going to ask a bunch of rapid fire questions. They are not obligated to answer the matter of fact they are free to tell us to fuck off if they so choose.
[106:27]
Taylor Swift
Okay, cool.
[106:28]
Jason Kelce
If you so choose.
[106:30]
Travis Kelce
All right.
[106:30]
Taylor Swift
All right.
[106:31]
Jason Kelce
Now, how do you feel about Jason telling his kids that cats are poisonous?
[106:35]
Taylor Swift
It was actually really a great challenge because as soon as I got the kids around the cats, it was my goal to prove to them that they weren't poisonous. And there's no better way to prove that than to just, just hand them Benjamin, my ragdoll cat who lets humans hold, hold him like he's a baby. And I mean like my favorite thing ever is just like when Benny will come up to me and just go, I find Benjamin and she's just like over there just like laying with him and petting him and holding him. And they're. The cats are so good with kids. They're like drag. They're just like. There's like Meredith is here. I'm like, yep. And you know what? She didn't bite you at all, did she?
[107:18]
Jason Kelce
No, she did.
[107:18]
Taylor Swift
And if she did bite you, she wouldn't be poisonous. They're like, that's not what our dad said. I'm like, well I heard you're getting a cat. I heard this from very well placed source.
[107:30]
Travis Kelce
I will neither confirm nor deny. We'll see if you're getting like a proper cat.
[107:35]
Taylor Swift
You're getting like a cat that chases mice. What I have or not that.
[107:40]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[107:40]
Taylor Swift
I think they sit around.
[107:42]
Travis Kelce
There's a chance.
[107:43]
Jason Kelce
There's a happy medium. There's a happy medium.
[107:45]
Travis Kelce
I've been talked into a barn cat that does not go inside that will survive. Survive off of rodents in the field.
[107:55]
Taylor Swift
Those guard our house are going to be sneaking that cat.
[107:58]
Jason Kelce
There's no way that.
[108:00]
Travis Kelce
We'll see. This is why I lie to my kids though is to. I want them to be able to be critical thinkers. They need to realize it's absurd to think this and you handing them Benjamin and then realize. And then walking them through critical thinking ability.
[108:16]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[108:16]
Travis Kelce
Now all Of a sudden, they won't believe something that every tells them on the Internet. Right?
[108:21]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. It was really like. I know it wasn't helpful for you, but it was like. It was helpful for me.
[108:26]
Travis Kelce
My allergies are going to be in severe.
[108:29]
Taylor Swift
I think you have. I don't even know if the allergies are a thing, Jason. I think you just.
[108:33]
Travis Kelce
I mean, I've had an allergy test. Taylor. I've had an allergy test.
[108:36]
Jason Kelce
They tell you everything, allegedly.
[108:38]
Taylor Swift
I'd like to see a copy of it. It.
[108:39]
Travis Kelce
Fair enough.
[108:40]
Taylor Swift
It's just. I think that you just, like, maybe don't like.
[108:44]
Travis Kelce
I don't. I mean, I. I think some cats I get down with. I always like Flash. Growing up the cat that we had.
[108:51]
Taylor Swift
What did you think of. What did you think of my three cats? My three perfect.
[108:54]
Travis Kelce
Well, the only one that would go near me was Benjamin.
[108:58]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. Because the other two can sense that you had resting cat.
[109:02]
Travis Kelce
That might be it. All right. If you had to choose to bake one thing to show off your baking skills, what would you choose?
[109:09]
Taylor Swift
Oh, right now, it would be my cinnamon swirl sourdough.
[109:14]
Travis Kelce
Cinnamon swirl sourdough. I thought you're gonna go Pop Tarts.
[109:17]
Taylor Swift
Pop Tarts? Pop Tarts. It depends on who I'm baking for the Pop Tarts. God, I just love making pop music and Pop Tarts. I love it.
[109:24]
Travis Kelce
I didn't even put those two together, but that makes a ton of sense.
[109:27]
Taylor Swift
Been really experimenting with the flavors there because we got now wild blueberry, raspberry, strawberry, the original. And Kylie got me baking the cinnamon sugar.
[109:39]
Travis Kelce
You're doing that now?
[109:40]
Taylor Swift
Yes.
[109:41]
Travis Kelce
Well, if I may, we need an orange Pop Tart now. We need.
[109:45]
Jason Kelce
What's a. I mean, like an orange.
[109:48]
Taylor Swift
Do it if you really want me to. Like, with, like, a marmalade. Like an orange marmalade in the middle and then orange orange extract.
[109:54]
Travis Kelce
Paddington Bear. I see Paddington Bear.
[109:56]
Taylor Swift
Okay, okay. No, I can get. I can get with this. I just didn't see the vision until now, and now I think it's kind of genius.
[110:03]
Travis Kelce
You've ruined Pop Tarts outside of yours, just so you know.
[110:07]
Taylor Swift
Thank you. Thank you.
[110:08]
Jason Kelce
They'd never be the same for me either.
[110:10]
Travis Kelce
So now I gotta try the cinnamon swirl sourdough, though. If you're putting that above Pop Tarts.
[110:14]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna send some over.
[110:16]
Jason Kelce
It's a banger.
[110:17]
Travis Kelce
Perfect. All right. There's a rumor that you played the bear in Happy Gilmore 2 in the scene where Travis has honey put on him.
[110:24]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God.
[110:25]
Travis Kelce
Can you confirm or deny this rumor?
[110:27]
Taylor Swift
I can deny. Like, this is. This is one of those ones where, like, we'll send it to each other and be like, hey, did you hear? I was the bear in there? He's like, yeah, you hear we bought a house in Lake Como?
[110:38]
Travis Kelce
Right.
[110:38]
Taylor Swift
It's. We're just sort of like. At this point, we're just like, of course they think I'm inside of a bear costume. Like, I'm honored to be thought of in that context because I loved that movie so much. I watched it multiple times. Loved it so much. Whoever did the bear acting was solid Bear, exquisite performance.
[110:58]
Travis Kelce
Bad Bunny. And the bear killed that scene.
[111:00]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, Bad Bunny. He absolutely delighted me in that movie.
[111:05]
Travis Kelce
It's so good.
[111:06]
Jason Kelce
Would you like a breastfeed?
[111:07]
Taylor Swift
Amazing. His comedic timing is so good. There's this one part where they look over where they're like, who did that? And, like. Like, his name is Oscar. His character's name is Oscar in it.
[111:16]
Travis Kelce
Yes.
[111:17]
Taylor Swift
Right?
[111:17]
Jason Kelce
Yes.
[111:17]
Taylor Swift
And it's like his brother gets hit by the golf ball, and they look over and they're like, who did that? Who did that?
[111:23]
Jason Kelce
And they do.
[111:24]
Taylor Swift
There's a face that Bad Bunny makes, and they do the kind of the. Like the pan in the zoom.
[111:31]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[111:31]
Taylor Swift
And it was just. I was like, who thought of that? How did they know he could be that? If I. I was. I watched it five times.
[111:38]
Jason Kelce
Benito kills it.
[111:39]
Taylor Swift
He actually so funny. He's so good. But he's also.
[111:43]
Jason Kelce
No.
[111:44]
Taylor Swift
I felt so much for this character. I'm so excited to go to his wrestling. Like, I thought this was a real man. I believed this.
[111:52]
Travis Kelce
Whose idea was arriving to the ERAS tour stage via a cleaning cart?
[111:57]
Taylor Swift
Mine. That's a weird idea that I. That's my type of weird idea.
[112:00]
Travis Kelce
Where did that come from?
[112:02]
Taylor Swift
Well, when you're putting on a first show of a tour like that, you're not just performing for the entire stadium. You're performing for the entire Internet. And so I wanted to curate and really romanticize the images that they were seeing first. So I didn't want them to see my first outfit and my first look, which would have given away what the first arrow was before. You know, when I'm walking up the ramp behind the stage, there's all these fans that are seated behind the stage at certain angles that where they would have been able to film it. I didn't want that to be the first thing people saw from the ERAS tour. I wanted it to be the huge lover motif, and they're surprised and Delighted by the fact that Lovers the First Era were doing. And they have been. That's the first time they've seen that Versace bodysuit all lit up like. Like, once the lights hit that thing, it's just like, yeah, I love that outfit so much. And so it was really about preserving kind of like, the sanctity of a surprise moment. Right. So I kind of thought I might only do it for night one, and then I just got attached to it. I was like, I just. I find this fun.
[113:04]
Jason Kelce
The perfect intro. It really is.
[113:05]
Taylor Swift
There's a, like, weird little side of me that likes sneaking around, and. And I think the fans found it funny, too. They're like, what a weirdo. We've come to see a weirdo in concert. Why is she doing that? I was. I don't know. Why did I make it look like a mop cart? I don't know, man. There's just, like, so, like, if you can't have fun with the hijinks of this thing, there's enough stress that goes into this. If you can't get joy from silly little things like the mop cart, man.
[113:34]
Travis Kelce
Yeah.
[113:35]
Jason Kelce
You need to live a little.
[113:35]
Taylor Swift
You're doing it wrong. Live a little.
[113:37]
Jason Kelce
Loosen up.
[113:38]
Taylor Swift
Get into a fake mop cart. Everyone knows you're in there, but you're in there. Like, I'm sneaking around. Nobody knows I'm in here. Everyone knows you're in there. Well, it's like. It's one of those things, like, I work so hard to try to surprise fans, and they're like, I don't want to be surprised. Sometimes they. They really don't think they want to be surprised. When I figure stuff out.
[113:58]
Travis Kelce
No, they do.
[113:59]
Taylor Swift
But then I know. I know that when I can really get them and surprise them, that it was. It was. It was so worth it, because that's what entertainment is, really. It's just giving people something to escape, to sink their teeth into, to. To. Like, we're world building. You know, that's what the whole tour was. Hopefully people never thought that we'd go on this podcast and announce an album. Like, I was hoping that that's something that the fans would be like, that's from left field. Like, if we accomplish that, then that's.
[114:28]
Travis Kelce
She went out with those two idiots to release this.
[114:34]
Jason Kelce
And things are really getting dark for Taylor.
[114:38]
Travis Kelce
All right, we ask all of our guests this.
[114:39]
Jason Kelce
Yep.
[114:40]
Travis Kelce
Who. What is your welcome to the NFL moment?
[114:43]
Taylor Swift
Oh. Oh. I'd say it was the first time I stepped on the field, which would have Been when you won the AFC championship, Baltimore. The first season that I was with you, and it was in Baltimore. And we're in the suite, and he's just won the AFC championship. We're freaking out. Everybody's screaming. And. And his mom goes, all right, let's go down to the field. And I was like, what? We're doing. What are we. What do you mean?
[115:09]
Travis Kelce
What are you talking about?
[115:10]
Taylor Swift
We're going. Why? We're going where? And she's like, we're going down to the field. And I was like, did he say that that's okay? Like. Because we hadn't talked about this. There was no. Like, there was no, like, hey, if.
[115:20]
Jason Kelce
I don't want to jinx, I don't want to jinx it.
[115:22]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, he doesn't. He doesn't jinx anything. Which I respect, actually. Like, I'm all about that. But we hadn't had a conversation about it, so I'm like, is he gonna be like, what. What are you doing down here, dude?
[115:35]
Jason Kelce
It was Mama knows. Presumptuous Mama knows best. She knew I wanted.
[115:38]
Taylor Swift
And so she was like, he. Trust me. He wants you there. And I was like, okay. Well, she. She would know. And so I'm walking out onto this field, and it's just like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. This is. It's so. There's so many lights.
[115:55]
Jason Kelce
We're going in a Super Bowl.
[115:56]
Taylor Swift
I've never seen this many cameras. I've never seen, like. I've never seen this much media in my life. And I've seen a lot of media.
[116:04]
Jason Kelce
Yeah.
[116:05]
Taylor Swift
And then the media sees me, and they're like, ah. And then they just start running at me. And I'm looking at you, and you're. And then you're screaming into the mic. Because when there's a mic and there's Travis, like, he physically needs to scream into it.
[116:18]
Travis Kelce
Of course. All right. Okay.
[116:22]
Taylor Swift
That's like, I do. So basically, I'm experiencing this whole heightened scenario that I had no idea five minutes before I was going to be experiencing. And it was. It's one of my most cherished memories because I was so proud of you.
[116:33]
Jason Kelce
And I was so proud that you came down there to enjoy that moment.
[116:36]
Taylor Swift
It was so magical. It was so fun. It's, like, crazy. It's crazy to. To get to see someone you love work that hard and then have that kind of, like, euphoric payoff where you're like, for sure you did it. Like, you did it underlined 100 times. You did like, you did it human, exclamation point. What do you mean? That's crazy. Like, yeah, I had such a great rookie year. It was crazy.
[117:04]
Travis Kelce
It was a great year. What is your welcome to, like, I don't know if it's like, singer, like. Like being a pop star, being a performer. Yeah. What is your welcome to the industry moment in. In that regard?
[117:16]
Taylor Swift
Oh, my God, man. I never really. I actually never really allowed myself to feel like the you've arrived thing.
[117:28]
Travis Kelce
Sure.
[117:28]
Taylor Swift
I've just now started to be able to really be in a moment when I'm in the moment. That's why I'm so glad that the ERAS tour happened when I'm an adult, because I was able to completely and totally soak in these moments while I'm planning, obviously, what I'm doing next in the show. But, like, when I'm at the end of that show and I'm standing there taking it in, that's me 100% present. But, you know, starting to do this. When I was putting out my first album when I was like, 16, I was always onto the next plan and that I get joy in planning. So it's not like I wasn't happy with that. But I never allowed myself to say, you've arrived, you've made it. I was always like, how are you getting. How are you going to get to make the next project? And it was all about. It was all about the. The higher I climbed, the more creative control I had and the more fun I had making stuff. Right.
[118:18]
Travis Kelce
Yeah, yeah.
[118:19]
Taylor Swift
So it was not the, like, the altitude I was reaching. There was more pressure every step of the way, but I was getting more creative control and freedom every time. And I. And that is why it felt so much more special to keep working harder to get to new levels. It's not like, oh, like, I can afford to buy this or whatever. Like, it. It. Not to discount that, but for me, every time I got higher up on a new rung of the ladder, I could make stuff in a more focused and free and autonomous way.
[118:49]
Travis Kelce
What else would you want?
[118:50]
Taylor Swift
As an artist, I never really let myself be like, I've made it. But the ERAS tour, I was like, oh, this is different. Like, this is not. This is nothing like what I've ever experienced before. It was so much better than anything else.
[119:04]
Travis Kelce
Literally.
[119:05]
Jason Kelce
While she's doing that, she's still creating the next thing.
[119:08]
Taylor Swift
Yeah.
[119:09]
Travis Kelce
That's what's crazy to me.
[119:11]
Taylor Swift
I love it.
[119:12]
Travis Kelce
Live show Sweden. Live show Sweden. Live show Sweden. Yeah.
[119:15]
Taylor Swift
That's what No, I. I adore what I do. I absolutely love it. And I love then taking the songs and writing a treatment for a music video and directing the music video. Like, all of the things that I get to do now. I'm so grateful for the ability to create. Like, that's still what drives all of it.
[119:31]
Jason Kelce
Well, us Swifties appreciate your dedication.
[119:33]
Travis Kelce
We are very grateful for this as well.
[119:36]
Taylor Swift
Thanks, guys.
[119:38]
Travis Kelce
Alrighty. Do you have any questions for us? We're kind of out of the questions for this section. Is there anything you wanted to ask Travis or. I. I mean, you have a. Yeah. You put Travis on the spot right now.
[119:49]
Taylor Swift
Yeah, I know.
[119:50]
Jason Kelce
Oh, God.
[119:50]
Taylor Swift
Well, I. I don't know. I was wondering how that wax is growing in, like, because I haven't talked to you in a couple weeks about it. And I just feel like it's really important for you to, like, make sure.
[120:01]
Jason Kelce
That those hairs don't get a little itchy.
[120:03]
Travis Kelce
But no, it's fine.
[120:05]
Taylor Swift
When you go, like, when you go from skin a little prickly to no fur at all.
[120:10]
Jason Kelce
And you can wear us because we got some thick hair.
[120:13]
Taylor Swift
It's, like, important to figure out, like, I mean, just hair. Don't tell us, are we. How. How are we doing?
[120:20]
Travis Kelce
We're doing good. We're doing.
[120:22]
Taylor Swift
Managing it.
[120:23]
Travis Kelce
Well, we're not managing it. That's how we're managing it is. We're not managing it.
[120:27]
Taylor Swift
Okay.
[120:28]
Travis Kelce
It's fortunate for me my hair grows fast.
[120:32]
Taylor Swift
Yep.
[120:32]
Travis Kelce
It's coarse. It's got a texture that was difficult for about a couple weeks. Very itchy.
[120:39]
Taylor Swift
Yep.
[120:39]
Travis Kelce
But we've passed. We've passed that phase now. And Are we gonna do it again, do you think? I don't think so. And I listen shout out to the people in downtown Philadelphia. They did a great job. I'm not. I don't think it's going to be a recurring bit.
[120:55]
Taylor Swift
Yeah. It was the best it could have been.
[120:57]
Travis Kelce
I also don't think I'm gonna find myself in a Speedo again. Jason walked into a door that said European Wax and was treated with the utmost respect in class.
[121:09]
Taylor Swift
He had to try it in order to know. That's life, you know, it feels. It feels important that you did it. And also because now you know, I know.
[121:18]
Travis Kelce
You know, I. I know what I.
[121:20]
Taylor Swift
Always say that after. After I. I make unfortunate. Just judgment calls.
[121:25]
Travis Kelce
Right.
[121:26]
Taylor Swift
Well, now I know.
[121:27]
Travis Kelce
Now I know.
[121:28]
Taylor Swift
Had to try it.
[121:29]
Travis Kelce
The one thing I didn't try was.
[121:32]
Taylor Swift
Wasn't great. Wouldn't do it again.
[121:34]
Travis Kelce
Yep. Yep. On that note, now you know, thanks for having me, Tay. Thank you so much for hopping on. Oh, my gosh. All right. Thank you so much for hopping on. You are the best. This has been a blast. I think Kylie enjoyed being the number one most viewed episode for her time that she had. This is.
[121:59]
Jason Kelce
Don't you do that to Kylie.
[122:01]
Travis Kelce
Don't you do that to me.
[122:02]
Taylor Swift
If you guys throw Kylie under the bus, you're gonna pay for it.
[122:06]
Jason Kelce
Why didn't Elliot already doing it?
[122:08]
Taylor Swift
Let's find out.
[122:09]
Travis Kelce
That's right. And that's a wrap, folks, on another episode of New Heights. Thank you to our guest, Taylor Swift for joining us on the show. Life of a Showgirl comes out October 3rd. Pre order is now available on Taylor Swift.com reminder. New Heights will be back to kick off the NFL season August 27th. Make sure you're subscribed to the New Heights channel on YouTube and follow new Heights in the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.
[122:40]
Jason Kelce
All right, now, once again, New Heights a wondry show. Follow the show on all social media at new height show with 1s. And thanks to our production and crew always for your your editing skills and making us look entirely better than what we are. Taylor. Got to see this firsthand, actually.
[122:55]
Taylor Swift
Thanks, guys. It's been great.
[122:56]
Jason Kelce
And to the 92 percenters and to the swifties. We love you guys. We'll see you guys next time.
[123:00]
Taylor Swift
Bye, pe.
[123:11]
Travis Kelce
All right. I. I don't know.
[123:12]
Taylor Swift
Oh, God.
[123:13]
Travis Kelce
Where to go from here.
[123:15]
Taylor Swift
I went. There was confetti all over. Oh, this is like when the cats taste something they don't that they're confused by. This is my favorite impression. It's a confused. The cat ate something. It doesn't know what it is. This is. This that gets. Gets me every time. Gets me every time. Man, I will laugh at that. I will like fall off the couch laug laughing at that if he'll do it.