Travis on Returning for Year 13, Jason Defends the Tush Push (Again) and New Combine Events | Ep 127

Summary

New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce - Episode 127 Summary

Release Date: March 5, 2025

In Episode 127 of "New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce," hosted by Wondery, brothers Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs delve into a variety of topics central to the NFL offseason. This episode primarily focuses on Travis Kelsey's decision to return for his 13th season, Jason Kelce's defense of the controversial "Tush Push" play, and an in-depth discussion on the latest events at the NFL Combine. Additionally, the episode features a lighthearted segment where the Kelce brothers engage in a food taste test at the LA Food Court.

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1. Travis Kelsey Returning for Year 13

[02:40] Jason Kelce:
“We're back with another incredible episode for you guys. We're gonna get to the big Yeti signing up for year 13.”

Travis Kelsey announces his intention to return for his 13th NFL season, despite contemplating retirement a year prior. Jason Kelce challenges Travis on his decision, questioning the rationale behind risking injury and earning less by continuing to play.

[04:18] Jason Kelce:
"Why are you playing another season? Why are you going to go out there, risk injury and make less money than you could make not playing football? Why are you doing this?"

[04:23] Travis Kelsey:
"The biggest thing is that I fucking love playing the game of football. I still feel like I could play it at a high level and possibly at a higher level than I did last year."
(04:23)

Travis emphasizes his passion for the game and his desire to fulfill his contract with the Kansas City Chiefs. He reflects on his performance in the previous season, expressing a commitment to improving and contributing positively to his team and community.

[06:12] Travis Kelsey:
"I just go off a feeling. I don't really. I'm not a very... I just go off a feel and I just pure gut. A pure gut feeling."
(06:12)

He highlights his decision-making process, relying more on intuition than on overanalyzing pros and cons, contrasting with Jason's analytical approach.

2. Defending the Tush Push

[42:49] Jason Kelce:
"Everyone debating the Tush push. Green Bay Packers GM Brian has submitted a rule proposal to ban the tush push quarterback sneak."
(42:49)

Jason Kelce addresses the ongoing debate surrounding the "Tush Push," a play that has garnered both support and criticism within the NFL. He argues in favor of the play, emphasizing its alignment with the physical and strategic nature of football.

[43:58] Jason Kelce:
"What represents football? Physicality, toughness. We're just going to bulldoze against each other like machines made of meat."
(43:58)

Jason contends that the Tush Push epitomizes the traditional essence of football—emphasizing strength and determination. He disputes claims that the play is akin to rugby, asserting its legitimacy within the sport.

3. NFL Combine Events and Insights

[20:34] Travis Kelsey:
"I saw a little bit of the tight end workout. That's it though."
(20:34)

Jason and Travis discuss the recent NFL Combine events, focusing on tight end performances and the physical metrics showcased. They express surprise at the generally slower 40-yard dash times for tight ends, noting the trend towards more specialized, blocking-oriented players.

[21:10] Travis Kelsey:
"I was so surprised by this tight end group's 40 yard dash. I mean, they didn't have anybody under a 46 and typically, I mean you'll usually find a lot of blocking tight ends."
(21:10)

They highlight standout performances, mentioning specific prospects like Travis Hunter from Penn State and Mason Taylor from LSU, praising their athleticism and potential impact in the NFL.

[33:53] Travis Kelsey:
"It's 100% possible. I mean, he's going to have to... Nobody has ever played every single play on both sides."
(33:53)

A significant portion of their discussion centers on Travis Hunter's ambition to play both offense and defense, a feat rarely seen in the league. They analyze the feasibility of such a dual-role player, referencing historical precedents and the physical demands involved.

4. NFL News & Player Contracts

[41:07] Travis Kelsey:
"He's one of my favorite guys to play with."
(41:07)

The brothers touch upon recent contract negotiations, specifically Saquon Barkley's extension with the Philadelphia Eagles. They dissect the structure of the contract, expressing admiration for Barkley's contributions and the strategic financial maneuvers by the Eagles' front office.

5. New Heights Food Court: LA Taste Test

[48:07] Travis Kelsey:
"All right, we got to give it a 1 out of 10. What are you going?"
(48:07)

In a fun and entertaining segment, Jason and Travis visit the LA Food Court to review local food staples they missed attending Jake's wedding. They evaluate items such as the Heavy Handed Burger, Lasorta Pizza, and 1986 Tacos, providing candid and humorous feedback.

Heavy Handed Burger:

• Jason's Rating: 9/10
  "It's a really good burger for a smash burger."
• Travis's Rating: 7/10
  "It's a really good burger."

Despite the cold condition of some items, they appreciate the flavor and quality, especially praising the burger's taste and comparing it favorably to established chains like In-N-Out.

Lasorta Pizza:

• Jason's Rating: 8.2/10
  "It's got really good crust. The texture, the dough and everything. They nailed all that."
• Travis's Rating: 8/10
  "The bite is pretty solid. I'm going a solid seven."

They commend the pizza's robust flavors and crust quality, though they suggest enhancements like more sauce and cheese for an elevated experience.

1986 Tacos:

• Jason's Rating: 7.8/10
  "It's a great taco."
• Travis's Rating: 7/10
  "The last time I was in LA, I went to... I'll eat those tacos over these any day of the week."

The tacos receive positive remarks for their authentic taste and fresh ingredients, emphasizing the importance of quality in street food offerings.

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Notable Quotes:

• Travis Kelsey on Returning:
  "I fucking love playing the game of football. I still feel like I could play it at a high level and possibly at a higher level than I did last year."
  (04:23)

• Jason Kelce on the Tush Push:
  "What represents football? Physicality, toughness. We're just going to bulldoze against each other like machines made of meat."
  (43:58)

• Travis Kelsey on NFL Combine Performance:
  "I was so surprised by this tight end group's 40 yard dash. I mean, they didn't have anybody under a 46 and typically, I mean you'll usually find a lot of blocking tight ends."
  (21:10)

• Jason Kelce on Tampa Super Bowl Loss:
  "Don't overanalyze, Trev."
  (11:06)

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Conclusion:

Episode 127 of "New Heights with Jason & Travis Kelce" offers a comprehensive look into Travis Kelsey's decision to extend his illustrious NFL career, the brothers' perspectives on evolving game strategies like the Tush Push, and insightful analysis of incoming talent from the NFL Combine. Their candid and humorous interactions, coupled with expert opinions, provide listeners with an engaging and informative experience, whether they're dedicated football fans or casual listeners looking to stay updated on NFL developments.

Transcript

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

God damn it. You're about to fucking throw rock. I know you are. Rock, paper, stair. Shoot.

[Travis Kelsey]

I thought it was his.

[Jason Kelce]

Like these Monkins. You're throwing rock now you're going to throw rock. Paper. Say shoot. I can't get him. I can't get them. I can't get them.

[Travis Kelsey]

Welcome back to new Heights, ladies and gentlemen. A onery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by audible. Hey, how about it? Shout out to audible. Gotta love listening. Jason, you gotta listen.

[Jason Kelce]

We're your host.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm Travis Kelsey. This is Jason Kelce out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio. Ohio. Cincinnati Bearcat alum, if you didn't know. Shout out to the Bearcats. We're recording this together in Los Angeles. Yeah, we are. West coast, baby. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondry plus wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on all social media at new heights show with 1s to follow with fun clips throughout the week. Jason, tell the people what we got Coming up.

[Jason Kelce]

We're back with another incredible episode for you guys. We're gonna get to the big Yeti signing up for year 13.

[Travis Kelsey]

Go.

[Jason Kelce]

Of course, we're gonna talk about some of the news coming out of the combine this past week, some of these rookies coming, the NFL trying to take everybody's jobs. And we're also going to get very specific LA food reviews. Don't worry, I'll make sure my microphone away from my mouth while I'm chewing. I got those notes last time, guys. Thanks for that. Anyways, before we get to any of that, we're going to get to a.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Jason Kelce]

Make it easy for you guys. All right, Travis, we have a playing update or you have a playing update.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

It has since been announced that you are playing another season.

[Travis Kelsey]

It is. Yes.

[Jason Kelce]

And I did want to say a year ago I announced my retirement. So we have to address the huge news that you are coming back this year. Is it because you've seen me in retirement? You're like that.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, I actually, I. I think you handled it perfectly, Jason.

[Jason Kelce]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think you. You've thrived outside of missing an Eagle Super Bowl. I think you absolutely killed it, dude.

[Jason Kelce]

You did.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, well, that's the only way I can have fun with it. No, but I. I do think you have absolutely killed it in retirement. That didn't persuade me in any way.

[Jason Kelce]

Why are you playing another season? Why are you going to go out there, risk injury.

[Travis Kelsey]

Whoa.

[Jason Kelce]

And make less money than you could make not playing football? Why are you doing this that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, that was kind of the one I had to juggle. I think the biggest thing is that I fucking love playing the game of football.

[Jason Kelce]

That's a good reason.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love playing. I still feel like I could play it at a high level and possibly at a higher level than I did last year. I don't think it was my best outing. You know, I think I let my guys down in a lot more moments than I. Than I helped them. Especially if you look at my track record and how I'VE been in years past. I just, you know, I, I want to give it a good run. I got a bad taste in my mouth on how I ended the year and, and how well I was playing and, you know, how accountable I was for the people around me. And I love so many people in Kansas City, both in that facility, in the community, and it's home for me now. And, you know, I don't, I don't want to leave that life yet. I put in a lot of, A lot of hard work and I put in a lot of, you know, focus into, into being the best that I can for KC and last year, it just, it didn't end well for us. And I just, I feel like there's a responsibility in me to, to play out the contract that I initially signed to give Kansas City and the Chiefs organization everything that I got, and, and that's what I'm going to do, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Awesome. Well, I think I hear what you're saying. I think, you know, it's hard losing a STR bowl and you, you feel like there's so many things you could have done better or whatnot. And you kind of referenced it like you could have been whatever. I think don't lose sight of the big reason that you guys are there is because of who you are. You know what I mean? And I think sometimes you lose sight of that when you don't maximize the, you know, the, the end goal, which is winning the Super Bowl. So I know you're going to be dedicated like you always are. It keeps getting harder, though. What's your plan? What. First of all, what was your decision making process? How does Travis Kelsey go about making big life decisions?

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, it's similar to all the other decisions I make. And it's just off a feeling. I don't really. I'm not a very.

[Jason Kelce]

I relish that about you so much.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm not a big, like, measure the pros and cons and all that. I, I just go off a feel and I just pure gut. A pure gut feeling and I, I love this game, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And not only that, I love going into the building with the guys that are there.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, Coach Reed has been one of the big, biggest influences on my life, not just in the game of football. And, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to stop going to work with him. I don't want to stop learning from. I don't want to stop, you know, being the reason why he has success or being a part of the Reason he has success. You know, I like to have, I want that guy to have the most success in the world because of who he's been to my, my life. And that's the same with Pat. That's the same with, you know, guys like Brett Veach and, and Mark Donovan and Coach Spags and, you know, Tom Melvin. You know, there's so many people in.

[Jason Kelce]

That building, a lot of good names.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, you know, David Glover. There's so many people in that building that I love with all my heart, man. And I just, I, I want to keep living, living out those dreams and, and going to work with them and. Yeah, I never, I never once kind of second guessed it. It was always in the back of my mind. Even, Even when it got tough last year on the body or when it got tough after the super bowl. And, you know, you're at your all time low. It's just there's, there's something in a motivating factor that, you know, you can do this and, and, and you want to do this. And I just, you know, I pulled the trigger as soon as I, as soon as I knew that, you know, I had that feeling.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. And I think you, you knew the whole time. I, I felt like even when I was. Would talk to you, and we didn't really talk pointedly about this. You never asked my advice on this, which I asked your advice, so I feel a little hurt that you didn't ask my advice.

[Travis Kelsey]

You didn't take my advice, but that's fine.

[Jason Kelce]

All right. I felt like you always. You wanted to come back. It felt like that from the moment after the game. It felt like that to a week after two weeks. And I was like, he's gonna play again. He's not ready to stop. So, yeah, I think it's the right decision. And you talk about feel. I brought this up on Chuck's podcast, but there's one thing that I very much like. I feel like whenever I make a decision or I'm like, big Charles Barkley.

[Travis Kelsey]

Chuck now, is that not what everybody. That's a surreal moment.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm just saying everybody not called.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, no, I literally told everyone my name was Charles because it was. His name's Charles Barkley. That's pretty cool. That was pretty full. That's just a full circle moment. My bad, my bad.

[Jason Kelce]

So I'm on Charles and Ernie's podcast, Shout out to the Steam Room. I forget how we got on the topic, but I start talking about, like, a lot of times, like, when I'm trying To make a big decision. I, like, really overanalyze things, and I think way too hard about this thing and that thing and this thing, and I'll call you. And you have this really good way of not worrying about all these little meaningless, dumb things that I'm worried about or these what could be or what ifs. So, like, no, just. What do you want to do? Do you want to play football or not? Do you want to do this or not? Like, and I think that nine times out of 10, it's, like, great advice for me to get out of my own head, and it's helped me before, so I don't know why I'm bringing it up. I just always.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, I mean, there's.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm jealous of that.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's some jealousy.

[Jason Kelce]

You don't think about things in. In a way that makes you. What's the word? Bogged down.

[Travis Kelsey]

I hear you, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Indecisive.

[Travis Kelsey]

I hear you. And don't get it twisted. There's always, like, that indecisiveness. For sure.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, in my mind, I think I can be a better player than I was last year. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, I feel like.

[Travis Kelsey]

And then there's times every.

[Jason Kelce]

Every great player always feels that way.

[Travis Kelsey]

So it's like just you.

[Jason Kelce]

But you just think about it more now because of the way the season went.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

So I think there's a lot of other things that compound on that, but how big of a factor was losing a shoe bowl in this?

[Travis Kelsey]

It was probably the biggest factor.

[Jason Kelce]

If you would have won, would you have come back for another season?

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, it's a pretty cool way to go out, but I still. I think I would still have this love for the game and feeling and.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, if you want to play, you want to play.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I think.

[Jason Kelce]

Shouldn't make that.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think I would have thought about it more.

[Jason Kelce]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

If we would have won, I think, because we lost and how we lost.

[Jason Kelce]

Going out on top is nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

It's not how I did it. I went out crying on the fucking field because I saw Jeff Stalin and was like, man, this might be the last time I ever see him. Don't do that.

[Travis Kelsey]

See him every week.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. But it's different.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right. I got you. Shout out 100%. The. The ending of that game. I feel like I owe the guys that. I come into that building with a whole lot more effort and focus, and I just don't know what it was during that game, man. I. I wasn't at my best, and the more that I See clips or watch the film and, you know, put myself back into those moments, man, I'm just, like, watching the clips. What the fuck? Just. I think it's just.

[Jason Kelce]

Don't overanalyze, Trev.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think you have to overanalyze. That's the only way you. That's the only way you find, you know, at least that's one of the.

[Jason Kelce]

Ways I talked about your motivation of not overanalyzing, but that's.

[Travis Kelsey]

That.

[Jason Kelce]

Don't overanalyze it.

[Travis Kelsey]

But that's how I find motivation. That's how I create the beast. That's how I flip the switch.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm saying people put, like, the clip up where, like, Pat scrambling around and you're just standing there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right.

[Jason Kelce]

And then he runs and then your guy hits him.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Nine times out of 10, everybody else in that situation is going to be standing there, too. And I know that that's not acceptable.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's not.

[Jason Kelce]

And, like, when I watch myself do that, I would watch myself. Sometimes the quarterback gets sacked and you watch it on tape, and you're like, hey, you idiot, go over there and help the guy up. Or, like, why are you just walking away from your running back? Help the running back up. As a good teammate, you think about things like that. You ask anybody in that locker room, if you give good effort and who's a good teammate and all that show, you're going to get a much different answer anyways. Do you have extra motivation this year going into the season?

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, yes, yes and no. I've been in. Unfortunately, I've been in a situation where I didn't play my best in the final game and the biggest game of my life. And speaking about Tampa and. Yeah, I know super bowl, and I think, you know, you try and make it everything, and I just. You don't find the love of the game doing that. And I feel like I play my best when I. When I'm out there playing it for the right reasons.

[Jason Kelce]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, can it be motivation in the off season to. To, you know, go out and get a few extra reps, go out and run that extra mile, go out and, you know, get a few more catches on the jugs, go out and, you know, work a little bit harder, watch some extra film, really analyze what you're showing the opponent, really analyze, you know, how you're running your routes so that guys can't get a tick on. On what route you're running. All of that can help get you where you are, but you can't go into it like this mad human being that is just, like, I don't know, has this built up animosity about, you know, the world and how it didn't go their way. And, like, I need to this. I'll only be satisfied if it goes my way because, you know, after Tampa, it didn't go my way.

[Jason Kelce]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

I didn't even make it back to the super bowl that next year.

[Jason Kelce]

Right.

[Travis Kelsey]

So there's. There's ways to. To go out there and motivate yourself to be better than you were yesterday. Get extra reps, really put everything you have into your preparation. But at the end of the day, man, I'm. I play my best when I go out there, and I have fun, man.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And I don't. I don't play my best when I go out there, and I'm just pissed off at the world, and I'm trying to be. Be the bully because I'm playing against guys that act like the bullies.

[Jason Kelce]

So how do you have fun?

[Travis Kelsey]

You go out there and you. You go to work and you. And you build that chemistry with the guys around you.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And I think we got a young, fun team. We're gonna give my guy Rasheed Rice back. We're gonna get, hopefully, the wide receiver room that we, you know, accumulated once Rasheed went down. Hopefully you get my guy Kareem Humpback. I fucking love that guy. I want to win one for that guy so bad. You know, I just know that guys like Pat Mahomes and guys that we have on the defensive side, like Chris Jones and. And George Carloftis and. And Trent McDuffie, they all know how to have fun doing it while being professional. And that's such a unique situation to have when you can get both done. Be successful, but do it in such a fun way that it makes it more enjoyable than you could possibly imagine. Man, that's such a unique atmosphere and a unique, like, building to be in, and I just. I know that and. Because I've been on teams where it hasn't been that. And it's just. I want to. I want to keep enjoying those moments and keep building what we have in Kansas City with those guys.

[Jason Kelce]

Did you talk to Andy, anybody? Like, is there anything else you want to talk about in terms of deciding to play again? Like, what do you guys think you need to do to get back to the mountaintop next year?

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, we gotta. We gotta get. We have to. We gotta get some pieces. I think 100% this offseason, we're stuck Kind of trying to juggle some contract negotiations and losing some key pieces. And, I mean, that hurts. You know, we got a lot of guys that we rely on big time. We've relied on big time in the past that have helped us win Super Bowls that are in contract negotiations. And it's just like Trey Smith just got franchised. Yeah. And, you know, I know they're working on a long term deal to try and keep Trey.

[Jason Kelce]

A lot of times they just do that.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's unbelievable.

[Jason Kelce]

To prevent him going to free agency. So they can still keep negotiating.

[Travis Kelsey]

Exactly. And I'm hoping that they can sign something that, you know, Trey appreciates and that the Chiefs can, you know, still go out and get other pieces knowing that we need more. More guys like Trey Smith, you know, guys that are dedicated.

[Jason Kelce]

He's said it for a long time. He's one of my favorite guys to watch play.

[Travis Kelsey]

Exactly. He's one of my favorite guys to play with.

[Jason Kelce]

The mentality that he takes to the field.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah. I know. I've always trusted Brett Veach and the front office and the coaches to bring in the right guys. Not. And not only just the guys that, you know, have the skill set and the athleticism and the. And the competitive edge, but do it in a fun way. Like, we've brought in guys before, you know, like the. To that can add to the chemistry of. Of. Of how, you know, the weeks go, the routines go. And try not to make it. Like, like we're coming into work. Like, we're. We're excited about what we're doing and we're excited about the challenges ahead.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, they know how to build it. Yeah, they know.

[Travis Kelsey]

Exactly.

[Jason Kelce]

And you guys had. I mean, come on now, you guys blocking kicks to end games. The chemistry was there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. So Kansas City, baby. We're back at it for at least one more year. I can't say whether or not this is going to be the last year because I still love a lot of. Of what I do for the city of Kansas City and. And the Chiefs organization. So I know I got one on my contract. And I'm gonna give you guys everything I got, baby. That does it. For new news brought to you by American Express.

[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

I mean, I would. I want to go so many places.

[Travis Kelsey]

Ooh. Name one.

[Jason Kelce]

Anywhere in Europe.

[Travis Kelsey]

Europe.

[Jason Kelce]

Anywhere in Europe.

[Travis Kelsey]

Europe.

[Jason Kelce]

Italy. Spain.

[Travis Kelsey]

Ridiculous.

[Jason Kelce]

Croatia.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know, our family left Portugal for a good reason.

[Jason Kelce]

Ireland, London, Germany. France.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, we get it.

[Jason Kelce]

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For full terms and to learn more, visit americanexpress.com withamics. Let's move on to some bold topics. NFL Combine. That's right, the annual combine held in Indianapolis wrapped up this weekend. Did you watch it at all?

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I usually like to watch it, especially the Zero Dark thirty. I watched highlights and watched it through Twitter.

[Travis Kelsey]

I saw a little bit of the tight end workout. That's it though.

[Jason Kelce]

Who's. There was a nice one handed grab. Who's the tight end that had the like caught one? I think it was a tight end. I'm judging by his stature and complexion. He caught a ball with one hand, then he ended up having two balls in his hand at one point.

[Travis Kelsey]

That might have been a clip from a different year. Jason. Okay, so anyways, I was, I'm not going to lie, I was so surprised by this tight end group's 40 yard dash.

[Jason Kelce]

It is fun looking up the times.

[Travis Kelsey]

I they didn't have anybody under a 46 and typically, I mean you'll usually.

[Jason Kelce]

Find a lot of blocking tight ends.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean the game's moving to more ground and pound.

[Travis Kelsey]

It is, it is. Especially with this running back class. They got everybody.

[Jason Kelce]

Running backs weren't going slow.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Neither the DBs.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I think there were a few top tight ends that didn't elect to run. But yeah, yeah. Either way there's still some, some studs out there. Another Penn State kid's good. Jason Taylor, son. Mason Taylor, LSU kid. He's good.

[Jason Kelce]

Nice, nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

The lovely kid up in Michigan. There's, there's, there's still some out there.

[Jason Kelce]

Awesome.

[Travis Kelsey]

In the tight end world. But yeah, I was definitely. It was kind of like eye opening. There was no four or five guys. Typically you get at least one four, four guy in there that they, they like the label of H back.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Meaning he's shorter. Yeah, yeah. Short, kind of quicker. What are you looking at in these guys? Either on tape in college or in, at the combine that is like, oh, there's some talented guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think over the course of the, you know, over the course of the year, watching the Penn State team in the playoffs, watching the Michigan team over the last like two, three years, Loveland's been pretty solid. He shows up for him.

[Jason Kelce]

But what makes, what about like, is.

[Travis Kelsey]

There Something where you're watching, they make it. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Is there something when you're watching? Whereas he does one thing where you're like, oh, okay, yeah, that guy's got it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Make the big catch. Their catch radius is always a huge.

[Jason Kelce]

How they catch it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Like, when it hits their hands, it sticks.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Is it like fighting the ball?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I think.

[Jason Kelce]

Does it, like, bounce off of their hands?

[Travis Kelsey]

When the. When. When you get a guy with the ball in his hands and he feels confident with what he's doing? Like the kid from Penn State. I don't. I forget his name. Somebody can look it up for me.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Tyler Warren. When he catches the ball for rocks 44, you know what he's doing when he catches the ball? He's running right through.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. He's not. He's not. There's no juking.

[Travis Kelsey]

You know what I mean? But he has a little bit of. You know.

[Jason Kelce]

He does.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, he's got a little bit of it. He's got. At least. He's. He's making a. He's making a defender make a decision, you know, and he's. He's playing off of him or he's, like, being the aggressor.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like a guy like Gronk does. And it's just like, you see a guy or a guy like George Kittle, where you see a guy when he catches the ball, he knows he's getting north.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

And he's either running through whoever's in the way or he's finding a way to make a miss.

[Jason Kelce]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

And that usually gets me fired up. Mason is just the. The Mason Taylor kid. Jason Taylor's. I believe it's his son.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Just a fluent athlete, and he's not.

[Jason Kelce]

Even Jason Taylor, so.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Yeah. Right now he's not even 21 yet.

[Jason Kelce]

He's not.

[Travis Kelsey]

No. So I'm like, this guy had a good amount of success at lsu, played in the sec, and then on top of that, fluent athlete. He's only going to get better as he gets older. He's only going to develop more strength and more athleticism as you get older. Yeah. So, yeah. What do you got for centers? What tells you?

[Jason Kelce]

Well, just offensive line in general. I feel like.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, he gets this. He gets the ball to the quarterback.

[Jason Kelce]

That's the least thing I'm worried about. We can fix that. Trust me. Been there. Fix those snap issues. Least of my concerns. No, I like just watching the way guys move, how they use their hands. Like, I just feel like you watch guys play and you can Tell if you've watched enough guys play and enough teammates, who has good core strength, who moves their feet well, who is always in balance. Like, balance is a big one for me. When I see guys that are out of balance, I'm like, okay, he's gonna get torched.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Backer's gonna get up under that guy.

[Jason Kelce]

He'S gonna get off balance, and then it's gonna get like judo throwing or like, it's like. I think. And I've been. Hey, been there, too. I just like watching the way guys moving. That's why I do actually think watching the combine. I kind of always like watching it, even though I didn't do it this year, because I do think that there is stuff to gain by watching how guys move. I really do. I think that, you know, Jason Peters just retired, right?

[Travis Kelsey]

21 years, baby.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude. And now he's working with the Seahawks. Come home, Jason. Come home to Philadelphia.

[Travis Kelsey]

You got to get Jeff, and he's doing fine.

[Jason Kelce]

Stay in Seattle. You're doing wherever you're happy, jp. But he was never out of balance. I would watch that guy play, he would jump, and he was just always anatomically in the right position to redirect on top of being enormous and a freak athlete. But there's just. Sometimes you watch guys and they're, like, always on their insteps or their feet are in a certain way or they're bending properly. They utilize their hands a certain way, and it makes you just like, oh, yeah, I like what I see out of that. And then you watch other guys, and even if they're, like, higher rated guys, and it's like, like, I like this about him, but, like, his feet aren't necessarily the fastest or, like, you know, he's super quick, but he just gets engulfed sometimes. A power because it doesn't look like he has good core strength. So I'll. I love watching all that stuff either on tape or even at something like a combine. Like, if I watch a guy change direction quickly and they have good size and strength, usually they can translate to be good offensive lineman.

[Travis Kelsey]

You hear that, boys?

[Jason Kelce]

Balance, balance.

[Travis Kelsey]

You have to be balanced.

[Jason Kelce]

Balance and body control. It's Jeff Stoutland favorite right there.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, now he's got some big old boys that can balance themselves.

[Jason Kelce]

It helps when you're 6, 9, 375 pounds, Jordan Mulatto. He's like, man, can you believe he taught that rugby guy how to play football? Oh, yeah. Well, he was 6, 9 and a freak athlete, but he's also 375 pounds with, you know, 18% body fat. So, yeah, I could believe he's good at football, but still. Shout out to Jeff Stalin.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, And Jordan.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, and Jordan. And definitely shout out to Jordan. See, I actually love watching guys run their 40. I think you can watch a lot about the way a guy runs and be like, that guy's not athletic. I really do think sometimes you just watch a guy run a 40, I'm like, yeah, not interested.

[Travis Kelsey]

DK Metcalf.

[Jason Kelce]

No question. That is one. That is one that blows my theory out the water. That guy looked like he was fighting the turf every step of the way.

[Travis Kelsey]

Moving, angry at that ground, moving.

[Jason Kelce]

And it's like, okay, he still panned out. But you watch some of these guys run, you're like, man, I don't like what? I don't like the way it looks. And nine times out of ten, it's right, though. Like, when a guy's hunched over running.

[Travis Kelsey]

It'S like, dude, I'm hunched over when I run.

[Jason Kelce]

No, not when you're not when you're cruising.

[Travis Kelsey]

What?

[Jason Kelce]

No, yeah, not hunched over. Like, phase three.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm staying in control right here. Balance.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. No, no. It's different. I don't want to say names. So we did have an idea here from our production team events. They should add at the combine. What do you think? Anything. First of all, anything serious that you think would actually be good.

[Travis Kelsey]

I immediately went to, like, could they, like, chew gum and, like, jump rope?

[Jason Kelce]

Like, I don't know, do two things at once?

[Travis Kelsey]

Do things at once? Yeah. Can you. Can you juggle and walk or pet.

[Jason Kelce]

Your head and rub your tummy or whatever it is?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. I mean, that was a decent try.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, I could do it. I just did it. I do think innocuous things. I. I do like giving a guy a kid. Like, for a while, I was like, we should be having these top 30 guys come in, play pickleball, and I can just tell whether they want. Are competitive.

[Travis Kelsey]

Did you want everybody to pop an Achilles and.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, that's the thing. Yeah, that's a good point. That's why they don't do it. But you could tell, like, about, like, competitiveness. I mean, Nick Sirianni very famously played little Rochambeau.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, right.

[Jason Kelce]

I think it's not bad. I think there's better things to figure out.

[Travis Kelsey]

Does he have any data on that, like, to, like, if a guy goes rock immediately, is he not. He doesn't think very fast.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, Stupid didn't even move his hand. This guy's not into it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Let's go, dude.

[Jason Kelce]

God damn it. You're about to throw rock. I know you are. Rock, paper, stair, shoot. I like these monkins. You're throwing rock. Now you're going to throw rock, paper, say, shoot. I can't get him. I can't get him. I can't get him. I do, like, little stupid things like that and seeing how they think about things or I was.

[Travis Kelsey]

I was thinking in my head, I'm.

[Jason Kelce]

Like, there's a story that we're going to talk about in a second that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, we don't need. We don't need the IQ test. I just want to know what you're searching on your phone. That tells me everything. Show me your. Show me your web searches, your website.

[Jason Kelce]

You would learn a lot about a guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Show me your search history.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm not giving that up to anybody.

[Travis Kelsey]

That tells me everything I need to know.

[Jason Kelce]

This guy's watched over a thousand hoof cleaning videos on Instagram. I don't know if this is good or bad. He's dedicated.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dedicated. He's locked in. He's. He's into farming. He cares about the animals.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Yeah. It seems a little bit too simple to me. I mean, how many times you gonna watch a guy scrape a hoof off and stuff it with powder and pack it and wrap it and then.

[Travis Kelsey]

Every single time.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. I don't think I've passed it up once on my algorithm. Alrighty, some suggestions from the production team. How many uncrustables can a kid eat? What would you gain from that one? Whether they like uncrustables.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Do they like.

[Jason Kelce]

If they don't like uncrustables? I don't know. That affects their ability to play football, but it does affect their ability to be like a trustable human being. If they don't like them. Yeah, I don't trust somebody that doesn't like an aggressible.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, once they get stale, man, they can get tough. Well, yeah, that's a fresh boy.

[Jason Kelce]

Obviously. Yes. We're talking peak uncrustable.

[Travis Kelsey]

That white bread that they use.

[Jason Kelce]

All right, there's your free advertising. Uncrustable timing for how fast you can delete tweets. I mean, I think they're supposed to be funny. How long?

[Travis Kelsey]

No, take it down, Take it down.

[Jason Kelce]

How long can you speak? How long can you speak without actually saying anything? I think we would win that. We'd do well on that.

[Travis Kelsey]

What?

[Jason Kelce]

Nothing. IPhone. Screen time.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what made me think of what your search history Is.

[Jason Kelce]

Yep.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't necessarily need to know. Simon says on the phone. I want to know. I would. I don't want to know how long you're on the phone. I want to know what you're on the phone for.

[Jason Kelce]

Simon says is interesting. Simon says. What would you gain from Simon says? It's just. I mean, it's just a pure power move. Right. I like doing this weird. Like Simon says the kids like, what are your aunt. What are your. You play along. Okay. Then if you're bad at it.

[Travis Kelsey]

Simon says it's kind of. Yeah. You got to lock.

[Jason Kelce]

I can't listen.

[Travis Kelsey]

You got to lock in.

[Jason Kelce]

This guy's not a good listener.

[Travis Kelsey]

Have you ever, like, watched, like, the Simon says championship?

[Jason Kelce]

Like, I'm not good.

[Travis Kelsey]

It goes real fast. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Is it. Is it like a good auctioneer?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes, it is.

[Jason Kelce]

Quick, put your hand on your head. Put your hand on your belly. Put your hand on your assignments.

[Travis Kelsey]

Exactly like that. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

We got to get a clip of that. I want to see what that seems like.

[Travis Kelsey]

Red light, green light. Do we just do all little kids.

[Jason Kelce]

Simon says, put your hand on your belly. I ain't playing this stupid game. I like that guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

Give me that guy.

[Jason Kelce]

That's the right answer. Podcasting how fast you deliver an ad read or asking someone. I mean, listen, if I'm being honest, if a kid's trying to podcast is a. I'm not signing.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't. I couldn't even imagine doing this outside of. I do think my first, like, after my.

[Jason Kelce]

That's where I am kind of being serious. I do think that rookies like you should. If I had a population real bad. Well, not only would the content be bad and it'd been bad for me.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know. That would have made it.

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Jason Kelce]

I'd have been a professional podcaster way earlier. How good they are at trash talking. I actually really do like that one.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

What a guy says you can learn a lot about the way he got trash talks.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's Some guys are just stone cold man. They don't give you anything.

[Jason Kelce]

I know. I respect that. That's what I'm saying. That's a type of trash stoic.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Men of little words. All right. We didn't gain anything from doing that. So we're going to move on. Three big combine stories. We got Colorado defensive back and wide receiver Travis Hunter says he wants to play both ways officially. That's right. Travis said. They say nobody has ever done it the way I do it, but I tell Them. I'm just different. I'm a different person. I want to play 100% on both sides of the ball, but it's up to the organization. He actually didn't say, but it's on both sides of the ball. We put that in parentheses to. It was inferred. What do you think about that? Is this possible?

[Travis Kelsey]

It's 100% possible. I mean, he's going to have to. You know, nobody has ever played every single play on both sides. When Dion did it, he would be like a third. He was in like nickel. He's in like certain packages. I believe I could be wrong about that.

[Jason Kelce]

So do you. You think he's talking about 100% play.

[Travis Kelsey]

Corner, every single down and wide receiver? That's what he's thinking, yes. That's what he did at Colorado.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, I'm aware he did it at Colorado.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what I'm saying. In the NFL, he'll have to guess they'll have to scheme up around him getting too exhausted.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like they'd really have to weigh that into their play calling both offensively and defensively. Like defense, you can't just go man and expect Travis to just run all around the field with a guy like.

[Jason Kelce]

Tyree Hill after he just scored a 98 yard touchdown.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. As an offensive coordinator, I'm sending him on a go every play and eventually like if you're playing offense and defense, like.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Tire injuries.

[Travis Kelsey]

The wheels. Yeah. Where the wheels are going to get at least a little worn out.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. That's a great. Especially I haven't thought about that. Scheming the other team.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

It's like, all right, want to run play. Run them off every time.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, exactly. New guy in there. And so you'd have to scheme him to be able to play cover two. And I just think, I think he's a better player when he's in man on. On defense. I think he's.

[Jason Kelce]

You think he's a better man corner than a better zone corner?

[Travis Kelsey]

I just. No, he plays great off of like in his zones. He can, he can float around. Yeah. He has a great feel of see routes. He's good at seeing concepts and jumping certain routes and things like that. So he plays well off. I would say, I say off the ball, but he plays well in zone coverages. But I think man coverage entices QBs to throw it at him more.

[Jason Kelce]

Gotcha.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right. I just think when you get man to man coverage in the NFL, you're. You think, oh, if I got a good guy out there, I'm taking my matchup.

[Jason Kelce]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

Right. I just think that that mentality, they can wear a guy out. And I'm not saying that he can't do it because I was blown away by what he could do in college in terms of, like, playing every single down.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm blown away to.

[Travis Kelsey]

But you. I think. I think it's smart. I think it's smarter to find him if you're doing. If. If he is going to do that. I think it's smarter to. To scheme it up to where, you know, you're not putting him in vulnerable position to get tired out faster.

[Jason Kelce]

Got it. All right. Well, somebody who does think he can do it is Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders is, quote, saying he's going to do it or they shouldn't draft him. Santa, still reporters. I'm going to make sure of it. Don't draft him if you're not going to give him the opportunity to play on both sides of the ball.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think he's proven that he needs to play on both sides of the ball.

[Jason Kelce]

I think he's going to be really. I mean. Yeah, well, I guess we'll find out. I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

I think it's easier for him to be on the field all the time as a defensive player and then offensively coming in on certain plays. Yeah, I think that is so much easier. Like, why have him.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, Dion did it first, second, the other way he did it where he was on the field all the time as an offensive player and then. And they did packages on defense.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yes. I think he could be more influential. What's the point in certain rundowns where, you know, it's run to have him on the field, going in there scooping out a safety. Like, could he do it? Yeah. Could I get another guy to do that? Probably.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. But they're also. There's also going to be your heavy play action. Take a shot down the field and maybe you want him out there for that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Well, good luck, Travis. Yeah, I'm a big fan, brother. You want to come to Casey? Play both sides.

[Jason Kelce]

Hey, there we go. That's how you get them there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. We have, like, we're going to pay.

[Jason Kelce]

You way less, but you play both sides of the ball.

[Travis Kelsey]

We have like the 40th pick. We'll probably not even sniff them.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Travis did say. Travis Hunter, that is, did say that playing both ways is harder than what Shohei Ohtani does. Bold statement.

[Travis Kelsey]

Very bold statement. There's no way we could possibly fucking.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, we know that. Physically, playing both ways in football is much harder. Yeah, we know that. We do know that hitting a baseball is probably the hardest thing in professional sports. I don't know what's more impressive. I mean, first of all, I guess Shohei is more impressive because he's actually doing it.

[Travis Kelsey]

He's not only actually doing it, but he's. He's proven that make believe on one.

[Jason Kelce]

End, the other guy's actually happening.

[Travis Kelsey]

And so he's also proven that he can be literally the best at both.

[Jason Kelce]

Sure.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like he was one of the top pitchers in the league. When.

[Jason Kelce]

It's remarkable when you really do think about it.

[Travis Kelsey]

On top of that, he was hitting home runs and stealing bases every year of his career.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. I mean, listen, playing both ways would be remarkable.

[Travis Kelsey]

Good luck, Travis.

[Jason Kelce]

I can't wait to watch it happen, if it does. I mean, it would be electric. I can't wait to watch and see if it does happen.

[Travis Kelsey]

It'll definitely have. He's too good on both sides of the ball. He's proven it. He's already proven. That's the beauty of playing.

[Jason Kelce]

He's better on offense or defense.

[Travis Kelsey]

I haven't seen enough of it.

[Jason Kelce]

What kind of receiver is he? Is he an outside receiver? Is he a guy that can play in the slot?

[Travis Kelsey]

Fucking all around athlete.

[Jason Kelce]

Just whatever.

[Travis Kelsey]

You can put him anywhere on the football field. You can give him the reverses. You can do anything with him on the football field.

[Jason Kelce]

He didn't run. Right. So we don't have the time from the combine.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, but when you watch him run, you're like, yeah, yeah, he's got it.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, no, yeah, I don't need a stopwatch on that.

[Travis Kelsey]

We should probably throw him the ball. Some of those guys where you don't even need a time. You're like, what's his 40?

[Jason Kelce]

Don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yep.

[Jason Kelce]

But I know it's good enough.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I've seen him run. I've seen him run. Like, when you watch Jerry Rice run.

[Jason Kelce]

You'Re like, he was a 4, 7 guy.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's no way. I am a thousand percent. I am so. I find it so hard to believe that he's outrunning DBs in the NFL.

[Jason Kelce]

Just shake, dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

I've looked it up. It's anywhere between a 4, 4 and 4 7.

[Jason Kelce]

I've heard 4, 7.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's no.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know who's telling me, But I've heard 47 at the combine.

[Travis Kelsey]

What combine?

[Jason Kelce]

The NFL.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, he was like a D4.

[Jason Kelce]

They weren't running at the combine.

[Travis Kelsey]

Back then, D3 player.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't think they were running running at the combine when Jerry was coming out either. It was only medical. He ran a 4 6. Bill Walsh said that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Who the fuck is Bill Walsh?

[Jason Kelce]

Shut the fuck up. So Bill's probably giving him a friendly time there too.

[Travis Kelsey]

Or he's saying a ridiculously slow time to show that just how great he was as a football player.

[Jason Kelce]

There's only one way to solve this. We need to ask Jerry himself.

[Travis Kelsey]

Jerry the Goat. Can you please tell these jamokes you were not a fucking 47 in the 40?

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, what if he was? He's still the best receiver.

[Travis Kelsey]

I know what 47 looks like.

[Jason Kelce]

Jason just was a notorious slow starter. Maybe he just was a strider dude.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's no way. This dude was quick off the ball and he had a fucking great strike.

[Jason Kelce]

Wasn't a burner. He was a freaking router.

[Travis Kelsey]

Why was he always behind the defense?

[Jason Kelce]

Because they were terrified of the comeback and all the other stuff he's running underneath and he would. And then go right past them.

[Travis Kelsey]

True.

[Jason Kelce]

He's a great route runner. He sold it all.

[Travis Kelsey]

I concur. Yeah, well, you're not a great route runner unless they're terrified of you going deep. And you have to have speed to do that.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm just saying, sometimes you're smooth and it all looks the same.

[Travis Kelsey]

Dominic Goodman.

[Jason Kelce]

Dude didn't plan on the NFL, but very good college.

[Travis Kelsey]

Shout out to Cole Rain, Cincinnati.

[Jason Kelce]

Last bit of combine news. Sources have told Pat McAfee show shout out to Pat McAfee that Barkley has signed a massive two year extension with the Philadelphia Eagles.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelce]

20.6 average per year. That's million, in case you were wondering. I mean, deserves every penny of that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yep.

[Jason Kelce]

36 million guaranteed at signing.

[Travis Kelsey]

Damn.

[Jason Kelce]

15 million available in incentives.

[Travis Kelsey]

Ew.

[Jason Kelce]

I wonder what those incentives are. That's a lot of money in incentives.

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't like that one bit.

[Jason Kelce]

You mean I actually have to play and earn it?

[Travis Kelsey]

Does he have to get a 2,000 yard season every year?

[Jason Kelce]

I'm betting that. So, yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are max values with like the way I used to be structured with how I'd be like. There'd be playoff incentives, super bowl incentives, Pro Bowls, all pros. And then with running backs, usually you'll add in yards.

[Travis Kelsey]

So you have to like rely on someone's vote to get your incentive.

[Jason Kelce]

That's for offensive lineman. It's typically how it happens. Pretty. Pretty shitty.

[Travis Kelsey]

Damn.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's fucked up.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, I always hit mine, so it always worked out.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's because you podcast. Always podcast.

[Jason Kelce]

That's right. That's why you should definitely start podcasting as a rookie. Yeah, I'm betting that a lot of these are just like kind of guaranteed ways of the Eagles to be like, hey, we want to pay you this money, but we need, you know, if. If injuries happen or something happens, we're.

[Travis Kelsey]

Not paying the max value.

[Jason Kelce]

But he's still getting broke off. I mean, 36 million guaranteed at signing is.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, that's damn good.

[Jason Kelce]

That's unbelievable money for a running back. And he deserved every pain. I mean, he proved how valuable, not just how good he is running back, but like his big play strike ability, bro.

[Travis Kelsey]

You could tell he's building the leaders on that team.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, that too. I mean, just a great freaking dude. And it probably frees up a bunch more space to sign other guys. This is typical Howie Roseman chess when everybody else playing checkers.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, great delivery. I got nothing.

[Jason Kelce]

Another off season news. Sticking with the Eagles. Everyone debating the Tush push. Green Bay Packers GM Brian. Brian has submitted a rule. GM Brian has submitted a rule proposal to ban the tush push quarterback sneak. I mean, listen, I get it. I would want to ban it too, if we sucked at it and it wasn't a mechanical advantage.

[Travis Kelsey]

I.

[Jason Kelce]

The only issue I have that I take up with people is saying. People saying, it's not a football play, it's rugby. I don't know what's more of a football play. I really don't. What represents football? Physicality, toughness. Will, we're going to fight for. For half a yard. You know what's coming. We know what's coming. We're just going to bulldoze against each other like machine machines made of meat. Like, I don't know what we're. It's like completely about football. Like, this isn't. I think to some people, football is like, oh, look at this pretty pass concept designs. Like, that's not fucking football.

[Travis Kelsey]

I just don't understand a different side that is.

[Jason Kelce]

This is what football has become. This is about pure physicality and advantage for the offensive lineman because we know the snap count when it's coming and where we're going.

[Travis Kelsey]

Don't get me wrong. Jason's having fun with it, but I just don't understand what the proposed, like, why.

[Jason Kelce]

I think. I think one, people want to ban it. People want to ban it because one, there's some people have like a safety concern on the play. They Think that it's more dangerous? In my experience, it is not a play that has much of an increased chance of injury on it. Do guys get hurt on it sometimes? Yes, but so does every other play that you run in the NFL. Typically it's more of a grueling play. The plays where you get hurt are usually like these high impact collisions or somebody gets landed up on wrong or twisted. And that just doesn't happen that much on that play because everybody's just nosediving forward to try and get as low as possible and push for a yard. Does it suck? Yeah. Is it a fun play to run? No. On the. I mean, except when you get the first time or touchdown. But is there an increased chance of injury? I just haven't seen that in my experience with the play. Is there an increased chance of you being fatigued and like hating your life? Yeah, but it's worth it for a yard. And then the other thing is, I think people just think it's an unfair play for the offense that they can push. My argument to that is you guys could push too. It's not like you're just pushing on the offensive side. Like you guys can hunker down in there and push and, you know, mass, accumulate mass. I don't know. It doesn't feel like teams across the league are as good as the Eagles are at it. So it feels weird to try and ban this play for an advantage that it seems like really just one team majorly has. Yeah, in my opinion.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, they're not trying to ban the quarterback sneak. They're just trying to ban the. The way you guys have perfected it.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Like, do we ban. If it's an unfair advantage, like do we ban Saquon Barkley from running with the football? Because that seems like an unfair advantage to me. You know what I mean?

[Travis Kelsey]

And that does it for the news, news, news that we have the last bit of news. And if any of you have any off season questions, please leave us a question in the comments.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, we'd love to answer them.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. Or not answer them.

[Jason Kelce]

Don't really have much else to talk about, so now's your chance. Yeah, we're answering a lot of questions.

[Travis Kelsey]

Trying to make it big, dumber, the better.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, that's about all I got.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

Right now through March 11th on Amazon, you can get any case for $5 off. How about that? Use code 5OFF at checkout. To get this deal. Stock up on the energy drink that uses 100 natural caffeine to accelerate your metabolism without the sugar crash.

[Travis Kelsey]

Make sure you guys keep going to the accelerator store on Amazon. Looks like orange ice pop and a new variety pack, right?

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah.

[Travis Kelsey]

Here maybe their next thing coming your way.

[Jason Kelce]

Some people just know they could save hundreds on car insurance by checking Allstate first.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like you know, to check the oil before road tripping through the desert. Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Or like you know, to, you know, check if you've packed for your five hour flight that's coming up.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, like you know to check the best route before getting stuck in rush hour. Ah, we've all been there.

[Jason Kelce]

Like you know, to check that you set the clocks forward for daylight savings time and didn't miss your kids basketball game.

[Travis Kelsey]

Checking first is smart. So check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds, maybe even thousands. You're in good hands with all state.

[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelsey]

That's what they say over at the Farmer's Dog because they want all dogs to live a long, healthy life.

[Jason Kelce]

Imagine eating highly processed foods for every meal and expecting to stay healthy for humans. That would just not cut it. So why should it be the standard for dogs? And dogs kept at a healthy weight can live up to two and a half years longer than overweight dogs.

[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelsey]

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[Jason Kelce]

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[Travis Kelsey]

The LA Food Court. That's Right. We're gonna do a little taste test for you guys.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, give me these calories.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right. LA food court is brought to you by Suave Men. You got a little suave going right now.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, you're the swap. Take that hat off. You got the swab.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm not doing that. All right, maybe just a little.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. Look at that. Look at that hair.

[Travis Kelsey]

Gosh, Putting this thing back on.

[Jason Kelce]

Can't believe you haven't started balding.

[Travis Kelsey]

What? We're Kelsey's.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm balding, Travis. I'm getting thin up there.

[Travis Kelsey]

Where? No, this is a widow's peak, not up top. You're good.

[Jason Kelce]

I was going thin right through.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's why you do it to the side.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't do anything. I just wake up. I don't do tomorrow.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, here we go. We're doing a little food taste test for you guys. Moving on to a little New Heights food court, we have a very special theme. This week on the food court, we will be trying foods that we missed out on because we skipped jets. Jake's wedding.

[Jason Kelce]

Jake, I can't wait to judge the food you had at your wedding.

[Travis Kelsey]

I know.

[Jason Kelce]

Do you know how fired up I would be to go to a wedding that's not. What do you want, chicken, steak, or fish? I don't remember getting the invite. It's on your fridge currently. Well, you. You know you're supposed to send that stuff to Emily. I did.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's right. We. We decided not to go.

[Jason Kelce]

It was in the fall. It was during football season.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, we still chose not to go.

[Jason Kelce]

Okay. Okay.

[Travis Kelsey]

We were. We were busy, Jason. Sorry, Jake. All right, so we're told these are all LA staples. We have Heavy Handed, which is a burger out here, a burger spot out here. We have LA Sorted, which is a pizza spot out here. And we have tacos. 1986.

[Jason Kelce]

1986.

[Travis Kelsey]

Which I would assume means they've been open since 1986.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah. What is that? That's not even, like, an impressive.

[Travis Kelsey]

Like, they just started making tacos and 86 like that.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, I guess it's actually. It's close to 40 years.

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, I can tell you right now, I'm not trying the tacos. You. That's all you. Jason.

[Jason Kelce]

You're not gonna even try it?

[Travis Kelsey]

No, I'm not trying those.

[Jason Kelce]

Why?

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm looking at them like I'm not trying.

[Jason Kelce]

Travis, come on. It's Jake's wedding. We didn't go to the wedding. We at least got to try the food.

[Travis Kelsey]

Number one Heavy handed burger and fries.

[Jason Kelce]

All right. This feels weird, eating a fry without ketchup. It is a smash burger, in case people are wondering. I can tell right away from looking at it.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is probably the roughest way to ever do a food test.

[Jason Kelce]

It's like, kind of unfair. It has been sitting around a little bit. So heavy handed. We apologize for these ratings we're about to give you. I mean, cold fries, it's just so hard. I can't even rate this.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is go burger. Let's go burger. Out of all the cold fries you've.

[Jason Kelce]

Had for a cold fry? Absolute horseshit. I'm just gonna be honest. There are certain fries that hold up well with age, and this is not one of them. No other fries that do not hold up well with age. McDonald's. McDonald's are great if you catch them right out of the fryer the moment. They aren't hot, they're terrible.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's layered with onions. I'm not eating this. Don't do a food. You can't have me test food that I'm not. I'm not gonna eat. Everyone knows my st. My. My criteria.

[Jason Kelce]

I don't think everybody doesn't know your criteria. I don't.

[Travis Kelsey]

Everyone knows I don't eat.

[Jason Kelce]

I can tell you that. I don't know that everybody doesn't know because I don't know what your criteria is. Other than white sauces and onions, Those are the only two I know.

[Travis Kelsey]

There's onions on that one. So how is it, Jason?

[Jason Kelce]

It's absolutely delicious.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelce]

There is definitely a heavy McDonald's. Ooh.

[Travis Kelsey]

A little Mickey D's. Mickey D's was out here in the West Coast. Started out here. A lot of people don't know that.

[Jason Kelce]

It's a Big Mac style sauce.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, I'm. I'm in on the big.

[Jason Kelce]

It's very good.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm in on a Big Mac minus onion.

[Jason Kelce]

It's a very good burger.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice.

[Jason Kelce]

If this was warm, it would be incredible. And I will say, I think this is better than five guys.

[Travis Kelsey]

No, I don't think it's even a question that's better than five guys.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm not.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, wait, you're thinking of in and out.

[Jason Kelce]

I was thinking in and out. I screwed that up. It's definitely better than in and out. I think it's probably better than five guys too, if I'm being honest.

[Travis Kelsey]

You look. You're more of like a. A smash burger type guy anyway, so I don't discriminate.

[Jason Kelce]

I am on a mission to Find the best burger. I've been trying to. I'm trying. Burgers all over the place. I love burgers.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. I got a burger spot for you.

[Jason Kelce]

There's one in LA called Franking It Up. It's just a food truck in Santa Monica or something.

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm not on food trucks.

[Jason Kelce]

Well, it's not even a truck. It's just like a guy set up in a residential zone. I don't even think. I don't even know if it's permanent. But guy makes a great burger. At least. After 15 micheladas.

[Travis Kelsey]

One out of 10. One out of 10. Where are you going for a cold burger?

[Jason Kelce]

One out of 10. Those pickles are great. They're very good.

[Travis Kelsey]

I like pickles now for a smash burger.

[Jason Kelce]

9.

[Travis Kelsey]

This is a really good burger.

[Jason Kelce]

It's a really good burger for a smash burger. What it is. If this was warm, I'd be like devouring it.

[Travis Kelsey]

You. I mean, you are. You've taken four bites and it's already gone. You got. That's your. That's your fourth bite right there.

[Jason Kelce]

Cold fries, definitely get them warm.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right. Heavy handed. Got a nine. That's meant to be one of the highest scores Jason's ever got.

[Jason Kelce]

Just take the onions off.

[Travis Kelsey]

Food number two, Lasorta. Peppers. Cheese. Nice. Too childish. I can do peppers. I can do peppers. I don't prefer it, but I can do peppers. I don't think peppers on pizza. Go. Great, but I'll try. Ready? You're still. You still got there. Okay, great.

[Jason Kelce]

Great. Sausage.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right. A little pepper and hamburger meat. It's not bad.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm like, positive. That's sausage.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, probably a sausage. I loop the two in same.

[Jason Kelce]

Can we get confirmation? Sausage, peppers.

[Travis Kelsey]

Sausage and peppers. I mean, it's pretty good.

[Jason Kelce]

Very good.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's pretty good. I'm a. I love a good, like, Detroit style pizza, A New York style pizza. But. But I don't know. I don't know. It's not like cheesy enough or, like enough sauce for me. It's a little dry.

[Jason Kelce]

I do agree. There could be more sauce.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

And more cheese.

[Travis Kelsey]

The bread and dough, actually, I'm in on, though. I'm in on the bread and dough. I'm in on the bread and dough.

[Jason Kelce]

The sausage is really good. The flavors are fantastic.

[Travis Kelsey]

I like this flavors. Solid flavors.

[Jason Kelce]

It's got like. Does it have red pepper flakes on it?

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, 100. It does. I'm in on that. I'm in on a little spicy. I don't think long green peppers Is. Should be on. It's good.

[Jason Kelce]

That is a good piece.

[Travis Kelsey]

It is a good piece of pizza. I'm going. See, I. I'm a pizza guy, dude.

[Jason Kelce]

This is also hard. This isn't a piece. This isn't a warm pie.

[Travis Kelsey]

It doesn't matter. Pizza cold or hot could be delicious.

[Jason Kelce]

Sometimes cool pizzas.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You don't always get that with burgers. As it lingers and I get more of that spice. I like it. The bite is pretty solid. I'm going a solid seven. I'll go seven on that. That.

[Jason Kelce]

It's got really good crust. The texture, the dough and everything. They nailed all that.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

If it was just a little more robust with the ingredients, it would just.

[Travis Kelsey]

Really, really just knock.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, it'd be right up there. It'd be. I mean, it's be real good. I'm gonna go. Go. 8.2.

[Travis Kelsey]

You threw it up there. You're pretty generous right now. I think you're just hungry.

[Jason Kelce]

I am. I am on a diet. Caloric deficit. So this food tastes amazing compared to caloric deficit. Food without fats and sugar.

[Travis Kelsey]

We're right up your alley. Yeah. Nice. So we got a nine from heavy handed.

[Jason Kelce]

I'm also trying to gauge because it's not like right out of the oven. Trying to be a little bit generous. Anticipating that'd be.

[Travis Kelsey]

Look at you, Good Samaritan. Well, heavy handed. Nine lasorta. I go 70. Goes 8.2. So that puts us at about 7.6.

[Jason Kelce]

This.

[Travis Kelsey]

Good luck.

[Jason Kelce]

That avocado has been sitting out.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, I thought that was like bean sauce.

[Jason Kelce]

It's all. It's avocado. It's just been brown because it's been oxidized. It's avocado. If you don't eat it immediately just oxidizes. Are these all the same?

[Travis Kelsey]

No.

[Jason Kelce]

This looks like chicken. Chicken is possible. What did you have at your wedding?

[Travis Kelsey]

I mean, unless they have. Unless you had tofu tacos.

[Jason Kelce]

The tacos up. Love the tortilla. Big corn tortilla only I. I used to eat flour tortilla. All we ate. All we ate. Gr.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah, I still eat them.

[Jason Kelce]

I can't eat flour tortilla. I can do it maybe as a seafood taco.

[Travis Kelsey]

I got you.

[Jason Kelce]

I can't like eating a flour tortilla now. Just feels so gross.

[Travis Kelsey]

I love the crunch.

[Jason Kelce]

No, I'm out.

[Travis Kelsey]

You don't see, you don't get them the way they're supposed to be.

[Jason Kelce]

Flour tortillas.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah. You probably get them a little soggy and, like, they're not as crunchy and as fun as the. Like. I'll still go to Taco Bell, get 2 and 2. I'll get too soft, too hard.

[Jason Kelce]

It's a good chicken taco. Chicken taco by far. Least favorite taco of all the time. Sure. What is this? Do you have, like, an al pastor? What's that? Is that pork?

[Travis Kelsey]

I think that's carnitas.

[Jason Kelce]

Let's try the carnitas. Jesus Christ.

[Travis Kelsey]

Caloric deficit. You got the eyebrows up. You know, it's a good thing. You get those eyebrows to go up. That means you've surpassed expectations. Or there was a little jolt of flavor town that he was.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, it's a great taco. I will say let's wrap it up. I mean, they're good tacos. Tacos are one thing that I feel like the more off the beaten trail you go, the better the tacos are. Like, it's just the way I feel with tacos. Like, the more commercialized it is. It's just not as good of a taco. If I'm catching this out of somebody's, like, back of their vehicle that they drive, it's gonna be the best fucking taco ever.

[Travis Kelsey]

Taco Bell made a living on selling rat food.

[Jason Kelce]

They're good. They're very.

[Travis Kelsey]

Oh, yeah, he's going for the moon pie.

[Jason Kelce]

What the is this? It's a mulita. Yeah. Is that like a real thing or is that like a gordita?

[Travis Kelsey]

No, it's a real thing. Looks like a quesadilla to me.

[Jason Kelce]

It's not a quesadilla.

[Travis Kelsey]

It's a taco burger. The heavy breathing is the illest part of this entire thing.

[Jason Kelce]

I mean, it's hard because corn tortillas should be eaten fresh. God damn.

[Travis Kelsey]

All right, we got to give it 1 out of 10. What are you going?

[Jason Kelce]

I bet with all this being fresh, these are probably about as good of a commercialized taco as you can get. But, like, the last time I was in la, I went to, like, the street that Whole Foods is on in Santa Monica. Yeah, I'll eat those tacos over these any day of the week. Harder to order from, I would say. I will give these a 7. 8.

[Travis Kelsey]

7, 8. Nice. Well, that does it for food court. Brought to you by Suave Men. And shout out to Jets J for getting married. How about it? I had no idea that guy.

[Jason Kelce]

What are your ratings for these foods, Jake? Burger's a 10.

[Travis Kelsey]

1010 out of the burger. Okay.

[Jason Kelce]

Nowhere to go. Nowhere to go. Just never be tough. It's my favorite burger in la. It's easily my favorite burger in la. Well, it better be your favorite in the world if you're giving me a 10, Ben. All right, Erroneous. This is where you and I disagree. All right, go ahead. Pizza. 8.5 and tacos. I'd give a 73. 73.

[Travis Kelsey]

Yeah.

[Jason Kelce]

Nice.

[Travis Kelsey]

Nice. You guys are kind of on the board. I think that's pretty nice.

[Jason Kelce]

Yeah, we're in the same ballpark.

[Travis Kelsey]

That does it for food.

[Jason Kelce]

Score for my chewing.

[Travis Kelsey]

New Heights food court brought to you by Suave Men.

[Jason Kelce]

That is it for this show. That wraps up another episode of New Heights. Make sure you subscribe on the YouTube to the New H channel to the YouTube to the New channel, and follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad free by joining Wondery plus now in the Wondery app or on Apple podcasts.

[Travis Kelsey]

Don't forget to join Wonder Plus. Ladies and gentlemen, once again, New Heights of Wonder show, produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Audible.

[Jason Kelce]

Hell yeah, it is.

[Travis Kelsey]

Follow the show on all social media at new height show with 1s for fun clips throughout the week. And thanks to our production and crew, we got to see a lot of them out here in LA and it's been a fun time. So 92 percenters, as always, thank you guys for tuning in and we'll see you guys next week.

[Jason Kelce]

Should we write a book and put it on audible?

[Travis Kelsey]

I don't think you write audible.

[Jason Kelce]

You just get a goat.

[Travis Kelsey]

What's the point of writing an audible?

[Jason Kelce]

I got a nice sweater on.

[Travis Kelsey]

That's a cardigan. Jason, look at you. You look school boy or you like. You look Amish in this thing.

[Jason Kelce]

I had a Jeff cap on that I had to take off.

[Travis Kelsey]

They made you take off your hat?

[Jason Kelce]

No, I took it off because I was trying to be polite.

[Travis Kelsey]

Does that work?

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know.

[Travis Kelsey]

Justice is justice, whether it's polite or not.

[Jason Kelce]

Oh, you have not been to court, have you?

[Travis Kelsey]

I'm a criminal justice major. All right, you want to do it?

[Jason Kelce]

I don't know. You sure?

[Travis Kelsey]

Just use that part and move on.

[Jason Kelce]

All right.

[Travis Kelsey]

Follow New Heights on the Wonder app or wherever you get your podcast. You can listen to New Heights early and ad free. Plus enjoy exclusive episodes of the show by joining Wondry plus in the Wondery app, Apple podcasts or Spotify today before.

[Jason Kelce]

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You help your little brother land a great job abroad, but when he arrives, the job doesn't exist. Instead, he's trapped in a heavily guarded compound, forced to sit at a computer and scam innocent victims, all while armed guards stand by with shoot to kill orders. Scam Factory, the explosive new true crime podcast from Wondery, exposes a multi billion dollar criminal empire operating in plain sight. Told through one family's harrowing account of sleepless nights, desperate phone calls, and dangerous rescue attempts, Scam Factory reveals a brutal truth. The only way out is to scam their way out. Follow Scam Factory on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of Scam Factory early and ad free right now by joining Wondery plus.