Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 10/13

Summary

New Rory & Mal – "Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 10/13"

Release Date: October 19, 2025
Hosts: Rory, Mal (Dixon), Burke
Podcast Network: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Overview

This week’s “Best of” episode captures classic Rory & Mal: sharp takes on hip hop headline news, nostalgia trips, music industry inside stories, hilarious tangents, and heartfelt cultural tributes. From dissecting the drama around Drake’s recent defamation lawsuit to celebrating legendary music—old and new—plus personal reflections on the loss of D’Angelo, the conversation spans the serious, the silly, and everything in between.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Drake Lawsuit & Industry Reactions

[02:12–14:24]

• Drake’s Dismissed Defamation Case:
  The hosts react to recent developments in Drake’s lawsuit (involving UMG, promotion, and defamation claims) and address public confusion and trolling.

  • Rory reflects on unintentionally becoming part of the viral discourse:
    “That video they have positioned—like I said it yesterday… Like, I enjoyed it. It actually makes me laugh.” (03:25–03:40)
  • Both hosts acknowledge the confusing nature of the lawsuit. Initially, they thought it targeted UMG for promoting a defaming song, but the outcome revealed the core issue was defamation, which couldn’t be proven.
  • Discussion of fans’ extreme reactions and internet toxicity:
    “‘Yeah, and his cohost should commit suicide. And it’s like, yeah, because he likes a rapper you don’t.’” – Rory (04:02)
  • Rory’s transparency:
    “I was wrong. I have no idea what the f*ck is going on. Clearly, the paperwork I initially read is not even where the case ended up.” (06:02)

• Legal Process & Next Steps:
  – Dixon believes the case isn’t over—appeals and more legal moves are expected.
  “The people have to know that his lawyer, his team, they’re going to appeal this and take this to another level.” (08:48)
  – Discussion of what inside information Drake’s legal team might hold.
  – Speculation over why Drake’s team opted for certain legal strategies.

• The Culture War & Legacy Record Impact:
  – How legal battles add unintended hype to diss records (“Not Like Us”) and affect their legacy:
  “You’re adding more allure to what this battle was with these moves and the appeal is just going to continue that.” – Rory (09:55)

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Producer Burke: Hit Records & Studio Stories

[14:25–24:35]

• Record “Versus” Game:
  Burke picks favorites among his own hits, brings back industry lore (e.g., how “John” ended up with Lil Wayne), and shares inside baseball on the creation of major records with Meek Mill, Nicki Minaj, Ray J, and more.

• Nicki Minaj Studio Sessions:
  “I remember walking in a booth—it was like a beach. Like, had sand in the booth, beach balls, toys—on some crazy sh*t… She would just let me… gave me free reign. At one point, she was just like, ‘Yo, Burke, this is my studio, just go crazy, do whatever you want to do.’” – Burke (17:34)
  On “Favorite” (Nicki Minaj/Jeremih):
  – Jeremih recorded the hook in seven minutes before rushing to the airport.

• Ray J & “Sexy Can I” Mayhem:
  – Hilarious, wild tale of recording “Sexy Can I” with Ray J—pornography in the studio, guns on the table, surprise appearance by Shaquille O’Neal.
  – “Shaquille O'Neal bailed me out of jail. I can't make this up, bro. Like, yo, bro, I knew I should have known the record was going diamond when Shaq came and picked me up.” – Burke (23:27)

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Mobb Deep’s New Album & Mass Appeal’s Hip Hop Leadership

[27:25–36:47]

• Mobb Deep “Infinite”:
  – Hosts praise the new album and its authentic feel (“not a possum album”) and the powerful, respectful approach to posthumous material.
  – “It really feels like Havoc, Prodigy and Alchemist put out an album in 2025.” – Rory (27:46)

• Highlighting Mass Appeal:
  – Mass Appeal’s critical role in hip hop’s maturation and preservation of legacy acts.
  – “Hip hop is aging perfectly because of what Nas and Mass Appeal are doing.” – Rory (28:45)
  – Hosts urge more recognition for the label and Nas as a curator and elder statesman.

• Shout-out to Hip Hop Producers:
  – Deep dive on Alchemist’s contribution to hip hop, comparing his current stature to legends like Swizz Beatz and Timbaland.
  – “You can make an argument that Al [Alchemist] is above some of them at this point.” – Rory (31:15)
  – “Alchemist, again, we talk about it. He’s the soundtrack to New York hip hop.” – Dixon (32:14)

• Anticipated Projects:
  – Announcements of Nas x DJ Premier album coming December 2025, a new Big L album, and more Mass Appeal “elder statesman” projects on the way.

• Call for Positive Attention:
  – “Like, let’s stop complaining and highlight the people that are doing it correctly.” – Rory (35:58)

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Reflecting on D’Angelo’s Passing

[36:50–48:31]

• Emotional Tribute:
  – Both hosts express deep sorrow and admiration.
  “This one, like, hurts. I felt like I know him. And I’ve never met him.” – Rory (37:12)
  – D’Angelo’s influence on R&B and neo-soul, his style, musical genius, and the unique mark he left across generations recognized.

• Personal Memories:
  – Dixon recalls seeing D’Angelo in the studio but never connecting one-on-one.
  – Rory shares memories of working in proximity (through Kevin Lyles) when “Black Messiah” was coming together—awe at being near D’Angelo’s creative process.

• Legacy & Impact:
  – “You can’t compare his voice or style to any other artist, period.” – Rory (37:30)
  – Both hosts reminisce about how D’Angelo’s music soundtracked youth, shaped shows, and even set standards at talent shows.

• Handling Tributes & Grief:
  – Some playful side talk about Benzino’s awkward tribute (recreating D’Angelo’s iconic “Untitled” video):
  “Some things, some tributes should just be kept in the tuck.” – Rory (45:31)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On lawsuit confusion and the power of internet narratives:
  “Like, you’re commenting under a video with a quote. The video’s… I didn't say that.” – Rory (04:23)

• On lawsuits amping up rap beef legacies:
  “You’re putting more allure to it… I’m sure ‘Not Like Us’ because of this announcement made charts this week just because of the announcement.” – Rory (09:55)

• Nicki Minaj Sessions:
  “She would just be there sober, doing whatever she doing. I would be getting overly drunk and smoking weed. And then she just let me… gave me free reign.” – Burke (17:34)

• Ray J Studio Session Chaos:
  “Allegedly, he had a gun… It’s nothing but white women porno playing on this big screen inside the studio. And we’re finishing the song ‘Sexy Can I.’” – Burke (21:10–21:30)
  “Shaquille O’Neal bailed me out of jail. I can’t make this up, bro.” – Burke (23:27)

• On hip hop’s aging and legacy labels:
  “This is the best example ever… Hip hop is aging perfectly because of what Nas and Mass Appeal are doing.” – Rory (28:45)

• On D’Angelo’s legacy:
  “His music and his art lives on, for sure.” – Dixon (41:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:12] – Drake Lawsuit, Media Misconceptions & Social Media Fallout
• [14:25] – Studio Stories with Burke; Producer “Versus” Game
• [27:25] – Reviewing New Mobb Deep Album and Praise for Mass Appeal
• [36:50] – Remembering D’Angelo; Cultural Reflections
• [44:16] – Benzino’s “How Does It Feel” Tribute Debate
• [46:47] – On the last D’Angelo record (“I Want You Forever” with Jay-Z); conversations about hip hop’s maturity
• (Advertisements and intros/outros skipped)

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Overall Tone

Candid, irreverent, and insightful—balancing humor and honesty, with heartfelt moments and industry expertise.

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Summary prepared for listeners seeking major takeaways, insider anecdotes, and the full flavor of the episode’s culture-rich conversation.

Transcript

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[Burke]

The volume.

[Rory]

I guess we have to get into what I'm. I'm sure not so much our listeners, but the people that don't listen to our podcast unless they want to just come here to be mean to us. They're all at the edge. They came to this episode just to hear us talk about the Drake lawsuit. And what's the best way you want to approach it? Do we want to satisfy them and be like, yo, you, you guys are the greatest. You guys are right. We're losers. We're lames. Like, we're, yeah, you know, you guys, hey, man, you guys win.

[Dixon]

Is that how you want to, Is that how you want to answer response?

[Rory]

Oh, no, I don't, I, I, I mean, I don't really care, which is kind of funny. But of course, anytime whether it be the report of the judge dismissing the defamation case or even. I forgot what the other big announcement was. That video of, of me speaking about the case maybe 30 minutes after just the announcement came out. Like, I was just speculating of what we knew at that time, which was nothing.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Rory]

And that video they have positioned. Like I said it yesterday.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I had no information like anyone else. We were all speculating. I was like, hm, I don't know what the case is at this point. Defamation wasn't even in the case. I was like, oh, this could be interesting. They have ran that clip to the ground. Like, I enjoyed it. Like, it's actually makes me laugh. Not by the people that like, are really reacting to it. Like, yeah, man, you had this one wrong. This or that. It's like the people that are like, this is why he should die.

[Dixon]

Those are my favorite, the ones that take it there. Like, somebody should die behind all of this. Yeah.

[Rory]

And then they also just go like after that, like, yeah, and his co host should commit suicide. And it's like, yeah, because he likes a rapper that you don't.

[Dixon]

It's absolutely, I don't know, it's weird.

[Rory]

I mean, I'm not here to like really defend any of my position. Even though I said from RIP that I don't care if Drake is doing this for artists. It's weird that you could have a video and they will remix exactly what you said in the video to a complete. Like, I'm like, wait, you're commenting under a video with a quote. The videos. I didn't say that. I did not care if, if Drake was doing this for himself or I for other artists. I never said he was. I just thought it could be helpful if UMG had to open their books and show. Yeah, that was about then turned into this whole defamation and everything else. I, I just don't like care that.

[Dixon]

Much now about the case or.

[Rory]

Yeah, because I, I, I cared about it more when I had the idea of, oh, this could lead to UMG having to reveal certain things like that happens in cases, whatever deposition is happening. I was curious. I didn't care what Drake's intentions were. They could be just for him or just for. For other artists. I didn't care. I just thought it would be cool if we finally made them open up.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Rory]

And reveal some shit other than that. I mean, cool.

[Dixon]

Yeah. A lot of my. You know, my phone went crazy when the news was. We had Peach.

[Rory]

I had just left, so I think y' all was still here.

[Dixon]

Yeah, me and Peach was here. My phone started going crazy. But it was just. It was funny. It's funny to see people' reaction. And again, people still not understanding what the case was about.

[Rory]

I, as someone that thought I understood it, now I actually don't like, because I know he was, from my understanding, initially suing for umg, promoting, pushing and using bots about a song that was defaming him. Then the result was, all right, the case is dismissed because there's no defamation. I didn't know. I didn't even think he was suing for that. So now I'm just lost. So that's why I say. That's why I say you guys win. Like, K.K by the whole world. Y' all win. I'm sorry, I'm. I'm gonna. I. I'm sorry. I was wrong. I have no idea what the. Is going on. Clearly, the paperwork that I initially read is not even where the case ended up. Because I thought he was suing UMG for them promoting a song that defamed him. Well, it was because when the. I agreed with the judge, because I initially came in here when you and I would. Would argue where I'd be like, do you really think anybody actually sits and thinks that Drake is a fucking pedophile? It's just a battle. Like, no one is really, really walking around thinking that I agreed with what the judge said. Like, this is just a battle back. No one really thinks that. But I didn't think that was the lawsuit. I thought it was illegally promoting outside of the industry standard, a song that was defaming him. And now it. How the judgment, how the judge made it sound. It was like, all right, yeah, he said mean things about you, but you said mean things too.

[Dixon]

What was the words? Non actionable. What was the.

[Rory]

But I agree with what the judge said. Like, I said rap that. I just didn't think that was what the case. No, that. That was the lawsuit. The main thing in the case was the defamation and the false statements. That's why there were things brought up in the lawsuit about, like, how it affected, like, Drake's family. Like, that's why, you know, shit like that. It's a defamation lawsuit. But if you can't. Whether they were pro on top of falsely or amplifying the defamation, it was mainly about defamation. But if you can't prove the defamation, then the amplifying of it doesn't mean anything. Fair. So that's where. Yeah, I mean, at this point, I also wanted, like, give flowers to the OVO stands for sure. Because the way they flipped it, I thought the K bots were going to be the ones that were going to be celebrating. Drake may have some of the most positive fans I've ever seen in my life. They say, yo, y' all didn't even see. Understand Drake's angle. The judge just proved that he's not a pedophile. That was his case the whole time. I said, all right, man, wait, what? I can't. They said the fact that the judge dismissed it means the judge is like, you're not a pedophile, so there's no defamation here. And they were like, well, that was his plan the whole time.

[Dixon]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

Well, that's. What's the case. The defamation would be. I'm not saying. This is logic. Yeah. I'm just telling you what I was reading. I'm just telling you what I was reading. Makes no sense. But, yes, I had a bunch of people hit me of. Of. All right, what y' all gonna do on episode? I was like, I don't know. What. What. What do you want from us? Do you want me to bow down and apologize?

[Dixon]

Well, apologize for. I mean, I don't know what people are thinking because I haven't really talked to many people about this, but it's not. I mean, the people have to know that his lawyer, his team, they're going to appeal this and take this to another level.

[Rory]

Yeah. I mean, I. I don't know if.

[Dixon]

People know that, like, this is not. Of course this is not over with.

[Rory]

Like, I mean, the shitty.

[Burke]

Just.

[Rory]

Should we just let it go?

[Dixon]

No, See, no, no.

[Rory]

At this point, no.

[Dixon]

Why would you. If you had. If you and your team, your lawyers had things in your possession that prove what you're saying is correct.

[Rory]

But why wouldn't. And I'm not saying that it depends the judge. And that's why the appeal process exists to. Didn't they reveal everything? Because that was also something I saw on the OVO stand side of, like, nah. He purposely was trying to lose the first one so he could reveal more. And I was like, well, why wouldn't he just.

[Dixon]

Yeah, no, I'm not. Just give them. I'M not speaking to. I'm speaking the factual shit. Like real things. Like, I don't. This is not over with. I don't. I know people hear things getting dismissed, but, like, there's a whole nother level that I believe this is getting ready to go to. I don't think this is over. It's definitely not over here.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, I, I see the side of, of even people just being objective and aren't on this like, weird fucking divider standline of like, hey, Drake, the more you do this, the, like, you're adding more of like this mystique. And you're making Not Like Us the greatest battle record of all time. The more you do things post the battle, like, you're putting more allure to it. Like, I'm sure Not Like Us because of this announcement made chart this week just because of the announcement. Like, you're adding more allure to what this battle was with these moves and the appeal is just going to continue that. But I also know that Drake doesn't give a fuck. I see both sides.

[Dixon]

Yeah, but that's the side that people see. What you just said, a lot of people don't think or speak to that.

[Rory]

I know he doesn't care.

[Dixon]

One, when you don't care. Two, when you know what you know and you know what's going on. Because none of us knows Drake's business with his label. We don't know his, you know, his negotiation, what he was going through with the label at the time. None of us know the specifics of that. But when you know and your lawyers know exactly what happened and what went on, when you say, just let it go, no, somebody of his caliber and his level is not gonna just let that go because they know what we all do not know. They have information that none of us have.

[Rory]

Okay. But then I guess I would ask if you're Drake, are you looking at good lawyers lose cases? I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but if you have all this stuff that we don't know, why did you go with that approach of the defamation lane? And the judge was clearly like, nah, this is a rap battle. No one actually believed this. You also said in one of the songs to call you a pedophile. Like, is this Drake's lawyers making a grave mistake in this entire thing? Like, even going in that approach of going the defamation route? Because clearly the judge was like, this is a rap battle. This is not a, a, a negotiation for your, your deal with Universal.

[Dixon]

I think that, like I said, they.

[Rory]

Should have revealed the stuff that we don't know.

[Burke]

Yeah, the whole.

[Rory]

Yeah, the information that like people keeps. There's information that the general public doesn't know. Well, I would assume that if there's information that's pertinent to h. This ruling or the lawsuit, it should be in the paperwork. And we all have the paperwork. So that's why it's like what it, what is this? This magic eight ball information.

[Dixon]

Well, how many days ago did they ask for the discovery? It wasn't, it was what, maybe two weeks ago.

[Rory]

Maybe October 9, 2024. Oh, no. Yeah. Let me say push for unredacted because even like while watching. It wasn't that long ago, you know, even. Not even the theories but of, of the third party that they claimed was hired to. To bottom not like us that worked with Universal and worked with apparently PG Lang. Like all like, where is all that stuff? Like at this point now it just feels like it's just like Twitter rumors because I, we knew that to be true. But that's not like Kendrick's not the only person to ever use a third party person to boost some shit. Every artist does. But none of that even like came up in the. I know they were trying to serve papers to that guy and like they couldn't find him. And I just feel like everything just fell apart and the judge was just like, it's a rap battle, bro. Yeah. So I, yeah, this is not how I saw this going because I thought there was way more information. I thought this was going to be like a four year long fucking trial. He got partial discovery was granted around the end of June, top of August. Limited discovery on certain communications.

[Dixon]

Limited discovery on certain communications. Yeah. So I don't believe that this K this is over. I don't believe that Drake and his team and his lawyers are letting this go. I do think that this is going to another level. And again that speaks to him, his team having things. And again, we don't know the business side of it, what Universal did. We do know that he's a top priority at Universal. He is in the middle of renegotiation. I don't know where that stands today. I don't know if he's even contemplating any type of negotiation with Universal. But I do know that Universal knows or they know the Internet can say, oh yeah, told you he lost. Ask Universal if they think this is over. Just ask somebody at Universal if they think that this case is over.

[Burke]

No Warrior.

[Rory]

Now we did this little diss of that segment. We did it with J.D. we done it with J.D. who we did with Hit Boy. I felt like there was one more either way.

[Dixon]

Did we do Offset?

[Rory]

Maybe with Offset. But yeah. We grabbed some of your records where you have to pick which. Which one you would pick out of the two. We'll start with Bounce Back or Dangerous.

[Burke]

I say Bounce Back because it's about to be Diamond. That's what my second.

[Dixon]

That would be fair. That would be. That would be fair to pick.

[Burke]

But I think that Dangerous did something incredible for Meek. This when he first got out of jail. And this was like the radio smash that kicked off everything for him again.

[Rory]

Yeah. Now Dangerous was a joint.

[Burke]

Yeah. I think I got a lot of dangerous women after me. But bounce back because of that. Bounce back on that one. Just because how organically it happened.

[Rory]

John or rule the world.

[Burke]

Wow. I probably say John because it's the bigger, bigger record. But. And nobody knew. I don't have a tag on that record too. Shout out to Al the producer. And that was a crazy story. So John was a song. I went to work with Polo to Don. And this back when Roscoe Dash was signed to Polo Da Don. So me and Roscoe Dash did a song over the John beat that night at Interscope Studios in la. And then somehow some way. Shit, I guess Polo just took him off the song and sent the beat to Wayne. And then that's how it turned up. Being John.

[Rory]

Yeah. I didn't even know you did John until years and years later. Do you still have the. The you and Roscoe Dash version?

[Burke]

I wish I did.

[Rory]

That's gotta be somewhere on YouTube. Somebody took that hard drive.

[Burke]

Somebody leaked that shit for real.

[Rory]

The first time you heard it was when like on the album or.

[Burke]

Yeah, I know. I wasn't. I wasn't. I wouldn't lit like that. My tag ain't even all that. I had to do the follow up after the fact.

[Dixon]

Yo.

[Burke]

Get my lawyers on it. I need my credit. Talking about.

[Rory]

But then didn't another version of that end up on Teflon?

[Burke]

Don Somebody did a similar beat.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Burke]

But it wasn't that. It sounded like the. The. The Diet Coke of John.

[Rory]

Yeah. What was the name of that? Ross? It was like the second record. I think on Teflon.

[Burke]

It was the second record. Damn.

[Rory]

It was hard. But the John B. Yeah. Was. You could tell the difference when you played them back to back on it. The one or favorite.

[Burke]

The one was that record that I was telling you that Vincent Herbert flew me back to LA and kind of like started My whole LA run. But I would have to go favorite just because, man, like, y' all don't understand. Them Nicki Minaj sessions was amazing. And to me, just the work that I put into that record, like, a lot of people don't know that. I forget her name. Candace, her last name. She used to be signing Neo. That's her doing the sample that, you know, that you need to ride up. Ride up, ride up, ride up. It's Aaron Ray doing the. The backgrounds and all that other on the record. You know what I'm saying? So that was a crazy time, like, for real.

[Rory]

I mean, just judging off Nikki's Twitter as of recent, I could only imagine what a private studio session with her would be like. I mean, obviously there's NDAs on NDAs in that, but what. What is a typical Nicki Minaj session like?

[Burke]

Well, at that time, she worked at a studio called Glenwood that was in Burbank. So I would just go to the studio, and she was like, the first person I seen with, like, the booth, like, just whatever her mood was. Like. I remember walking a booth. It was like a beach. Like, nigga had sand in the booth. Like, fucking beach balls, toys, like, they was on some crazy shit. She was the first person I seen with a gigantic sign with their name on it inside the studio and fucking. For me, like, she would just. She would just be there sober, doing whatever she doing. I would be getting overly drunk and fucking smoking weed. And then she just let me. Gave me free reign. At one point, she was just like, yo, this is juice. This is my studio. Just go crazy. Do whatever you want to do. So with favorite in general, Jeremiah came to the studio. I was in another room. She was in her room. She booked me another room. And I was with her engineer while she was doing whatever she was doing. And Jeremiah was like, hey, yo, Burke, I got like seven minutes before I need to go to lax. I'm like, nigga, what the you even come to the studio for in the first place? Like, you got seven minutes to do them on. God, in my life. He went in there, he did one takedown, and somehow, some way, he said, I just want to be your favorite. I'm like, that's it stopped him, got it, chopped it up, copy paste, put it like four times, and told him to dance around. And he literally left in those seven minutes. And that's how the hookah.

[Dixon]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

That's wild. That's super wild. What's her process like? Nikki, as far as she, like, approaches.

[Burke]

Songs to me, it's just like. I think it's great beats. And then she, for me, when her collaborating, she would just have great beats and be like, yo, make some hooks for me. Do some that I like. Like, even it's a song on her album called Shanghai. I'm on the song. It's me saying, roll up on you and all this other. On the actual record. So she was just like, go, go hook crazy for me. And then I just went hook crazy. And it turned out to be in.

[Dixon]

Whatever it is incredible.

[Rory]

Sexy lady or Sexy Can I. Oh, my God.

[Burke]

I'm about to go Sexy Can I just. Because I knew Sexy lady was a hit and like, y' all gotta like, go back into them LA days. Like, like, I was literally, like, wearing a chinchilla. My man, my manager at the time was the club promoter at the hottest club or whatever. I think it was called, like, Mondays or something like that. Shout out to TK and all them or whatever. And I used to go in a club, they used to sneak the bottles in. We would go to Ralph's and buy a bunch of bottles before we went to the club. And the time was the promoter, so he would set me up at a table next to DJ Echo and they would bring the bottles out and I would wear like a full length chinchilla. In the middle of, like, summer or whatever in la, just wilding out, performing my song Sexy Lady. And then from there, it just blew to this phenomenon, Sexy Kenai. I actually hated Sexy Can I. Styles P was supposed to be on Sexy Can I Before me, remember, Ray J would sign a Koch and Epic Records. D and Shadow was doing all the radio shit for Epic or whatever at the time. So Styles P was supposed to be on that. And I'm glad that Styles P wasn't on Sexy Ken.

[Rory]

I.

[Burke]

That seems like a weird choice. Much less than a ghost. But.

[Dixon]

Styles rapping Sexy Ken out to the haze.

[Burke]

I'm like, yo. So when they presented me the record, Charlie Walk at the time, who like, is my God, this nigga's like five two, looks like Zoolander. He was the president of Epic Records at the time.

[Rory]

I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Burke]

And he was like, yeah, yo, you need to do this record for Ray J. And I'm like, I was just coming off a sexy lady. And I wanted to go to my song. The business with the girl. Cash is singing the hook. And I'm like, nah, I want to go to this song. He like, no, you're gonna do this. Is Gonna be your biggest record. He's like, what is it gonna take for you to do this record? I'm like, you gotta buy me a chain. He like, for real? I'm like, yeah. I called Jason in Beverly Hills and I put him on the phone with Charlie Walker. I'm like, yo, I want an Epic Records chain. Like, you gotta make it. He made the chain. It probably came out my budget, you know what I'm saying? He got me the chain, and I never forget it. Me, Billy J, walked from the Lowe's Hotel to Wet Willys in Miami, and we just threw bars around while we was doing. Just talking shit with my brothers and threw bars around. We wrote. I wrote all my parts with them, probably on that walk. I laid my part at Circle House, where I still work at today. That's how crazy this shit coming full circle. And then from there, it leads us to the epic studio session with me, Ray J, the girl Casha, and Tierra Marie. I didn't know it was Tiara Marie at the time. So, like, Ray J comes in the studio. I think we're at. We're at a studio. We had Chalice in la. And this when he just did his vivid deal for the Kim Kardashian tape. And, like, he was on his porn star shit. So the N came in. He like, hey, yo, Park, I don't wanna disrespect your lady, but you mind if I put these on the TV? I'm like, these? The nigga put out all vivid DVDs of porn and shit like that. So now we're in a session. He got a gun. Allegedly, he had a gun a strap on a table. It's nothing but white women porno playing on this big screen inside the studio. And we're finishing the song. Sect. See, can I. So we in there and, like, there's a girl that's, like, talking so bad about Ray J. Like, you trash. You get your weak ass out of here. And I'm like, who is this girl disrespecting Ray J like that? I ain't know it was Tierra Marie at the time. Like, I. It ain't cooked to me. I'm like, yo, the nigga goes in the booth, he like, I gotta hit this last line. He like, kim, Dungeons, have some fun.

[Dixon]

And she.

[Burke]

He like, nah, this my Stevie.

[Rory]

She like, get your weak ass.

[Burke]

From there. We delivered a record and that shot up to, like. I think it peaked at number two on the Hot 100 or whatever. And it was like, yeah, why does Ray J And Youngberg have this record that all these white people like.

[Rory]

I mean, yeah, that melody is.

[Burke]

I went to jail, yo. I went to jail on the video set of the video for what? The first shot of the day. We in Miami. I'm smoking a blunt. It's down to, like a roach. I throw the blunt out of the. And the police that was on set to protect us came, picked up the roach and took me to jail.

[Dixon]

That's crazy. All right, man.

[Burke]

Shaquille o' Neal bailed me out of jail. I can't make this up, bro. Like, yo, bro, I knew I should have known the record was going diamond when Shaq came and picked me up.

[Dixon]

Nigga, that is your greatest record.

[Rory]

Are you killing me?

[Dixon]

Don't get no greater than that. So.

[Rory]

So hold on. Let's slow down for a second. So you had Shaq's number memorized?

[Burke]

No. Ray J and Shaq had a. A business deal, and I think he was the investor on Ray J's project at the time.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Burke]

And he was a police officer in Miami. Yeah, bro came and bailed me out of jail. Come on, little man. And I went back on set 12 hours later, and it's like, I never went to jail.

[Dixon]

And sexy. Can I.

[Rory]

That's hilarious.

[Dixon]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

So I guess Kim has a type then. Because I had heard at every Kanye session, all he would have was just porno on the whole time. Like, it would be. It would be like, it's not that horny. Assistance in PR Coming back to the Def Jam office. Like, shell shocked. Like, yeah, we went to the studio, and it was just hardcore porn playing the entire time.

[Burke]

It's like, bro, the nigga is different, bro.

[Rory]

Oh, that's a different type of horny.

[Burke]

No warrior. Now.

[Rory]

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[Rory]

Where do we begin with the Mobb Deep album? Oh man, I'm ready to shed a tear. It's so good.

[Dixon]

It's a really good project. It was. I was so happy when I put it on. Played it like they did. They did it right.

[Rory]

It it feels like this is not, you know, Damaris. I can never say the word Posthumous.

[Dixon]

Posthumous.

[Rory]

Posthumous. Yeah, it's not a possum album. It really feels like Havoc. Prodigy and Alchemist put out an album in 2025.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

It feels like an evolution of Mobb Deep in the most beautiful way ever. There's not a fucking skip on it. Prodigy is rapping at the highest level of Prodigy, which is saying something. Havoc sounds incredible. I don't even know like what to say more about what this Mob Deep Album is.

[Dixon]

What is it about 25? Where, like, we're seeing, you know, Mob.

[Rory]

Deep and Mass Appeal.

[Dixon]

Yeah. Like, what is it? Like, like, what's going on?

[Rory]

Mass Appeal is. Is. I mean, I know people are obviously talking about Mass Appeal and everything that they're doing, but I still think we need to champion them even more. Everything that. That Peter, Nas and the whole staff over there. Shit, Anthony, I'm sure just being NASA's manager is heavily involved with it too. What you guys are doing is how hip hop should age. Like, this is the best example ever. When they say no country for old men. Nope. Hip hop is. Is aging perfectly because of what Nas and Mass Appeal are doing.

[Dixon]

Yeah, definitely.

[Rory]

Everything is incredible. It's handled with care. It's not just to do it for the of it. They're all moving together too. When they were all at Comic Con, I believe that was this weekend. Like, seeing everyone move together too, to promote it. It's been the most beautiful thing to watch hip hop age in this way.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Like, Nas does not get enough credit for what. This is what elder statesmen are supposed to do. Not only look out for the younger, but also your peers and the people before you.

[Dixon]

Make sure things are done right, done with taste, done with attention to detail, curating things properly. I think, like you said, everything you said is correct. What Mass Appeal has been doing with all of the projects that they've been a part of has been just handled with so much, like you said, a care. And, you know, they really, you know, want to make sure things are done correctly and with class and still have that style that, you know, hip hop is supposed to have. So shout out to Mass Appeal because they. They've been getting it right.

[Rory]

Yeah, that. I mean, just coming off the intro, like, I literally did not take the Mob Deep album off over the weekend. Like, usually I take my break to catch up on my POD shit and, you know, audiobooks and that I. This was probably the first weekend in a while that I literally did not stop listening to one album for three days straight.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Out the gate. Call me corny, but against the world. When Prodigy ended that we see you on the other side, I legitimately got chills.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And even poor the Hennessy of, like, having that verse of, like, already pre recorded for if I Pass Away was absolutely insane.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And then having Nas follow that shit up was. I can't even say enough about it. Hearing Raekwon and Ghostface with them again was incredible. The clips for the first time, like, it just reminds you how important duos are.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I know like, Ghost and Ray obviously are solo and all that, but they're a duo. Clips. Duo like that is needed in hip hop. I feel like. Yeah, the big group, cool. Solo, cool. But just two people that could rap. Well, I. I missed that so much. And this. This. Nailed it. Like I. Alchemist, when are we gonna have the conversation of. I know he gets his flowers, but the way we talk about Swizz, Tim, Kanye, just. You can make an argument that Al is above some of them at this point. This. This run for the last five, six years, outside of what Al already accomplished.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What he is even when he posted his for your Grammy consideration and you just looked at what he did in the last year.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And in the middle of doing this, also doing his Erykah Badu album coming off the Freddie Give, doing the Mob.

[Dixon]

Deep, like Hit Boy album.

[Rory]

Rapping crazy on that. Like, is there even a debate that Al is not a list hip hop royalty as a producer?

[Dixon]

That's not.

[Rory]

No. But, like, it's a different status at this point. Like, he surpassed Tim in my brain.

[Dixon]

Well, Tim does more than just hip hop. Like, Tim, you know, he does more than rap. So Tim is sure a different.

[Rory]

He does AI.

[Dixon]

He does AI. You write about that.

[Rory]

But if we're doing a versus this year, you and your fucking bullshit Korean AI girl versus Erykah Badu and Al. I think I'm gonna go with Alan.

[Dixon]

Oh, no, no, for sure. Absolutely. But, you know, Alchemist is, again, we talk about it. He's the soundtrack to, you know, New York hip hop. His sound is the. Is the backdrop to New York City as far as I'm concerned. He's one of my favorite producers ever. And what he continues to do and how he continues to still find ways to be creative and stay motivated, stay inspired by this new generation of new sounds. It's dope to watch, you know what I'm saying? Him still have fun with it and things like this, you know, this Mobb Deep album, which is obviously very personal for him, for him to still be able to capture that feeling and keep that Mobb Deep sound to a certain level of where we know it to be. It just speaks to Alz. His just, you know, his dedication to just always staying sharp and keeping. Keeping his craft at a high level. But yeah, definitely Alchemist. I mean, I don't know who argues Alchemist is his status in, you know, the best producer of all time category.

[Rory]

I guess I'm just saying now with the second run he's had. I think it's undeniable. Like before maybe there was some conversation like, oh, you gotta look. Swizz has these huge number one records and with all these a list, I just think with this run, you can't say all those names and not say Alchemist as well. And not that he gives a fuck, but.

[Dixon]

Yeah, but that makes it even better. He don't do it for that. He don't care about the recognition of it. He just wants the music and the craft that speaks for itself out to.

[Rory]

To Havoc. I mean, obviously, you know, they called Al the third member of Mob Deep years and years ago. But to even, you know, have Al part of that as well, I thought says a lot about Havoc too. Because have could have been like, nah, not this one.

[Dixon]

This is just.

[Rory]

I'm. I'm just doing this me and P. So to collaborate with him there because I think have is one of the most underrated producer, probably the most underrated drums in hip hop history is have to me. But him also, you know, letting Al be a part of this, I think was says a lot about Havoc.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

But sorry for the nerd. I just can't say enough.

[Dixon]

No. Infinite available now. If you haven't heard it, I don't know what you was listening to, but definitely go listen to that Mob Deep album.

[Rory]

They also announced NAS DJ premiere drop in December 2025. They put out a record a couple months ago. I mean we've been hearing about this for over a year. I can't wait for this. Like what a fucking year. Yeah, that we. We also get a Nas in premiere at the end of the year.

[Dixon]

I mean we've been talking about this for, for years.

[Rory]

You know, we get a big L album into it as well.

[Dixon]

Yeah, yeah. This mass appeal is. Listen man, I. I love it, man. I think, you know, they've. They've carved a very specific thing out for what they want to do and how they want to do things. And they've been executing at a high level. The quality has been incredible. So I'm here man. I. I'm looking forward to anything that masterpiece doing. I'm looking forward to it.

[Rory]

If I don't know if there's some type of Grammy or there's some. There should be some type of award. I feel like for label of the Year some something they deserve that type of award. And even coming off was it 50 years last year for hip hop anniversary? Two years. Two years ago. Even Massive Hill being, you know, behind the celebration at Yankee Stadium, like I Don't ever want to hear any old head complain that hip hop is in a bad space.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, you look at what they're doing with the genre that we love. Yeah. There's still this side over here.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

And if you're complaining, you need to start praising mass appeal and what they've done. And on the doc side and on the content side.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm out here dick riding mass appeal. I'm sorry. You guys are amazing. Good at what you do. Appreciate that. It's just all we all podcasting lately is hating. I want to highlight how amazing a company is. Is doing right now.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, for the. The spirit, all that corny of hip hop. Like, let's stop complaining about sometimes and highlight the people that are doing it correctly.

[Dixon]

No, the dope is out there. I mean, you just got to pay attention to it and highlight it and support it. But it's. It's definitely great hip hop music still being produced, still being created. So, yeah, you just gotta support it when you see it. And again, this Mob Deep Infinite album is one of them and looking forward to, again, you know, anything that Mask Bill is doing, because they are. They just paying attention to the. To the details, man. They're just making sure everything is done at a certain level. So you got to support anybody, any creator that's paying attention to the small things and the details of it.

[Rory]

No, for sure. And I mean, anything to get Nas outside too. I love that. Just Nas is. We're just running around New York now.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, this is great to see.

[Dixon]

Yeah, man.

[Rory]

Daylight looks incredible. Everybody looks young and, like, healthy and shit.

[Dixon]

Love it. But be the example, man. Hip hop can age gracefully.

[Rory]

Yeah. We do need to start by saying rest in peace to one of the greatest musicians, singers, artists of our time, d'. Angelo. Yeah. This. This was one of those. This, like when artists die or celebrities die sometimes, like, oh, it sucks. But this. This one, like, hurts. Like, I felt like I. I know him.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I've never met him. Yeah, yeah, this, this. I don't even know where to begin on this one. How many times in the last 10 years of podcasting have we just discussed how D' Angelo was one of our favorite artists ever? Anytime we have an R B debate, first name, we bring it up like he was one of them.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Like, you can't compare his voice or style to any other artist, period. Whether it be pop, R and B. Neil, whatever. He. I mean, he. He was a goat with, you know, three albums that he spread out, and each generation and era that he put an album out. He changed the face of music during it.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

So, yeah, I mean, you know, condolences to his family. Definitely to his. His son. Definitely. Probably rough, rough year for him losing both parents. So. So prayers and condolences to his son as well as his daughter. Yeah, too. But, um. Did you ever have the privilege of meeting d'? Angelo?

[Dixon]

He was in the studio one night. I forgot whose session it was. He was in the studio, but I never had the privilege of having an actual one on one conversation and kicking it with him and giving him his flowers. But when you say D' Angelo for somebody growing up in the 90s, we call that the golden era of music. R and B especially. D' Angelo was. Was the guy that, you know, absolutely changed the style. You know, you used to seeing musicians look a certain way. You're not used to seeing musicians with the. The talent level of a. D' Angelo would have cornrows and, you know, leather jackets and no shirt. Like, it was like, you know, he just changed the style of what musicians look like. Especially in the 90s. Like he just came in and was, you know, just completely, completely just changed the sound and energy in R and B soul. So many people that are an extension of his talent and his musical genius. So receiving that news of his passing was definitely heavy. Like, you know, because d' Angelo was never somebody that was ever really in the headlines.

[Rory]

No.

[Dixon]

So it's easy to kind of like not think about d' Angelo unless you like hearing his music or like you, you know, he happens to working on a new project. So when, you know, I forgot who hit the chat and was like, d' Angelo passed, I was like, I read that. I was like, whoa. You know what I mean? Just reading that was just like, that's somebody he wasn't expecting to just, you know, read had passed away. But after privately, you know, battling the illness and things like that, you know, the family decided to keep that, you know. Cause he was. Again, he was not. D' Angelo wasn't somebody that was ever really in the headlines. It wasn't nothing negative, you know, it was just like if it wasn't about music, if he wasn't performing, you didn't know what d' Angelo was doing. And I think that's the way he wanted it. That's the way he, you know, part of his mystique and his aura was strictly about the music and his talent. But so young, you know, to pass away at 51 and his talent, man, you know, obviously had to live on. His music lives on. But, yeah, d' Angelo was one of the greats. You know, for him to no longer be with us so soon is just, like. It just kind of like, you know, puts you in a fog. Cause you can't really, like, damn, like, that fast so soon, like, but, you know, one of the greatest. Remember listening to, you know, lady and Brown Sugar? Being in high school, like, he was just a soundtrack. If you was, like, had a crush on a girl, you had to play d'. Angelo. You had to, like, you know, if it was a talent show, it was like, who gonna sing d'? Angelo? Like, everybody can't.

[Rory]

Who's gonna try to do that? It's probably not gonna work out.

[Dixon]

D', Angelo, like, he was just. Just the coolest of the cool man. So prayers and condolences to his family. Left an incredible legacy. You know, just somebody just had so much musical integrity and so much style and. And did it his way. So, yeah, man, this is. It's a terrible loss for. For the culture and for music. But, you know, his work is here. His. His music is here. The people that he influenced is here. The artists that he worked with is still here. So, you know, his music and his art lives on, for sure.

[Rory]

Yeah. When I was working for Kevin Lyles, he was working with d', Angelo, I guess you could say, managing d' Angelo at that time for the Black Messiah album. And d', Angelo, you know, obviously never came to the office. Never was, like, you know, part of any meetings or anything. But when I say anytime Kev would play, like, a song from that album before it came out, like, we would all just gather around, like, the media room door, like children, and just put our ear to the side, like, to try to hear that. So, like, seeing that project from an office standpoint completely come together was, like, just an honor to be next to somebody that was working with d'. Angelo. Like, yeah, I had nothing whatsoever to do. I was just in the office. But that was, like, one of the coolest times ever of, like, damn, I'm listening to a d' Angelo project right now. Yeah. Like, nobody's hurt.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But, yeah, me and Dixon were in Electric lady, which is a very famous studio in New York City where, you know, d' Angelo recorded most of his work. So Aquarians from Eric Badu, everyone, you know, recorded out of there. We, like, didn't work for, like, an hour and a half because we were just sitting there talking like, yo, you like d' Angelo sat right here.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, we shouldn't be allowed in this. Like, why are we letting me in? Why are we working in here? Yeah, this is nuts. Like, that's the same booth.

[Dixon]

Incredible talent, man.

[Rory]

So, yeah, rest in peace. Again, I don't know if you have any d' Angelo memories. No, not like, personally. You guys covered everything. He's a good job. Yeah, I did see, and I'm not sure if this was a rumor or confirmed that prior to his death, he was working on. Did it say, like, six different projects or something he was working on?

[Dixon]

That wouldn't surprise me.

[Rory]

So, I mean, hopefully that means, you know, we're still going to get d' Angelo music that he would want out, not just some that a label threw together with old DAT tapes. But, yeah, he was privately battling pancreatic cancer, so it wouldn't surprise me if he. He was planning these projects for after his death. So, you know, I hope we get to at least hear those sometime soon.

[Dixon]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I don't really know how to turn. Turn them around. Benzino, this was just a perfect example.

[Dixon]

Of sometimes d' Angelo to Benzino's.

[Rory]

Because I know, I know that's absolutely crazy. Like, it's a perfect example of, like, sometimes honoring legends that have passed. Like, you should just sit out sometimes. We don't need to know. What if, like, what influences you had from him after his death? Because I do believe that Benzino was influenced by d'. Angelo. All of us were. But I didn't need to see, like, exactly how Benzino was influenced. Okay. I cannot. Okay.

[Dixon]

No, I don't think. I don't think Benzino was influenced by d'. Angelo. Nothing about Benzino's music. Nothing that. I think this is just. We call it. This is cloud chasing. I think that's exactly what this is.

[Rory]

Nah, he was doing it. Or is this. Yeah, he was. Come on. He was giving d' Angelo his flowers before. Yeah, that's. Yeah. He didn't just do that when d' Angelo died. That would be fucking nuts. But.

[Dixon]

Oh, he didn't just do this.

[Rory]

No, it's still nuts.

[Dixon]

So he had this in the vault.

[Rory]

Matter of fact, I think it's more disrespectful doing this when d' Angelo is alive so he can see it.

[Dixon]

Why? But why?

[Rory]

Oh, no. Peach is going to have to put that shit somewhere on the screen. It's the Untitled Video when d' Angelo is shirtless with that shadow, but Benzino took that and put his own spin on it. Oh, this is with him being shirtless.

[Dixon]

This is his. How does it feel?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Dixon]

Okay, okay, listen, man. I mean, I stayed corrected. This was before this video was out. Before d' Angelo passed.

[Rory]

Yes. Okay.

[Dixon]

And I stand correct. And when maybe Benzino was influenced by.

[Rory]

No, no, he was suggesting, like, you know, he posted it when Benzino passed. Like, hey, I've been influenced in my career by him. Here's an example of. Of how. How it made him feel.

[Dixon]

Okay.

[Rory]

And I saw. I saw d' Angelo's son post something of, you know, it's been a tough year. Thank you guys for having me in your thoughts and prayers. I'll definitely need it. Like, keep. Keep telling me that. Do you think this made him feel any better? Like, some things, some tributes should just be, like, kept in the touch. I'm sure he read Beyonce's post and was like, oh, man, that's. That's really cool to know that my pops.

[Dixon]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You know, influence people. One of the biggest pop stars ever. Like, those types of things, I think help in grief and death. If I saw this, like, that's gonna. That's gonna delay, like, funeral plans. I'm gonna be so angry. I.

[Burke]

Honestly.

[Rory]

It probably gave him a laugh. It probably gave him, like. Like. Or him and his dad may have laughed at that together before. That could have been a good memory. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dixon]

Like, if that was out before his passing, then, yeah, I'm pretty sure d' Angelo laughed at that. Absolutely.

[Rory]

Yeah. I also thought. It's also crazy to think that James got the last recorded d' Angelo record that was put out. Fauntleroy, James Samuel for the soundtrack for the Book of Clarence. It was the Jay Z Angelo record.

[Dixon]

I want you forever.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. So that's. That was the last one that was put out while he was alive, which is crazy to think.

[Dixon]

But now that would make sense, though, James working with dm.

[Rory]

Oh, absolutely.

[Burke]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

That makes sense. Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm sure they had been talking about that for quite some time, even before that, because I think James even went in interviews and, like, Hope didn't even know about it, and he just was sending him snippets, and I think he said hov was on the treadmill, sending him bars while he was running on the treadmill because he had this d' Angelo record. Like, all right. Yeah, I rap for Daniel.

[Burke]

Yeah.

[Dixon]

You got a d' Angelo record. Yeah, I'll get on that for sure.

[Rory]

That's such a. That's such a cool way for hip hop to age. Like a guy in his 50s on a treadmill writing raps to a D' Angelo record.

[Dixon]

Yeah. For a movie called Book of Clarence.

[Rory]

And then sending them as voice notes to, like, someone's iPhone. Yeah, that shit.

[Dixon]

Electrical. Absolutely.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I wish you guys wouldn't have shamed me so much when I thought d' Angelo was down the hall from me those months ago.

[Dixon]

Oh, yeah, I remember that.

[Burke]

Oh, yeah, I remember that.

[Dixon]

When you kept conveniently having to walk to the bathroom.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. In the dungeon at Flux. Yeah, but I talked to the np.

[Dixon]

But when you told us that, I understood it, though. Like, I got it. Yeah, I was like, no, listen, that's d'. Angelo. I get it. But it's like, there's a way to go about that still. But I understood. It's d', Angelo, bro. Like, as a musician, as anybody, a producer, as an artist, if you have the opportunity to be in the same room, especially a studio, and just talk to d' Angelo and pick his brain about music, I mean, you definitely have to take that opportunity whenever you can. Cause you don't know when you'll have that opportunity again.

[Rory]

And because he had probably the most unique voice in R B history, maybe outside of, like, Marvin Gaye, you know, when you're walking past a studio and like, all right, that's d'. Angelo, and I've never heard that song.

[Dixon]

Right.

[Rory]

What the is going on in there? Yeah, well, yeah, Benzino, I guess we all. We all grieve different.

[Dixon]

We do. That is very true, Rory. We do grieve differently. Absolutely.

[Burke]

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[Rory]

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