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Rory
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Mall
The Volume.
Rory
I saw no one talking about the Grammy nominations over the weekend because nobody.
Mall
Cares about the Grammy.
Becky Milligan
I did, actually.
Rory
I mean, I went and looked at them. I cared, but I got in a couple.
Becky Milligan
Not little arguments, but little arguments.
Mall
You got into arguments about the Grammy nominations?
Becky Milligan
Not arguments, little debates about what because Mariah didn't get nominated.
Mall
Mariah Carey?
Becky Milligan
Mariah the scientist.
Mall
What would she be nominated for? Best R and B.
Becky Milligan
Best R and B album or song? I think Best R and B album, not song. I don't think Burning Blue should have been a contender, but whatever. So she didn't get nominated and people were like, oh thank God she can't fucking sing. And I'm just like, the writing on her album was. She had really good writing on her album.
Mall
I'm not mad at.
Becky Milligan
Compared to anybody else's.
Mall
I'm not mad at these nominees. The nominees for best R B albums are Giveon with beloved Coco Jones. Why not more Leticy with the crown. Teyana Taylor, Escape Room and Leon Thomas Mutt. Yeah, I think Leon gonna pack y' all up.
Becky Milligan
I think Leon is probably packed.
Mall
As much as I would love to see Tiana get a, get a Grammy, that Leon Thomas album was, was, was incredible. That's one of the best R B albums I heard in a long time.
Becky Milligan
I would have. I, I would give it to Giveon or Coco, but that's just me.
Mall
Yeah, I would give it to Giveon and Coco and let them split it.
Becky Milligan
Coco, Givean or Coco. But we love Leon over here. Leon knows he's. He's loved as family, but I just think with.
Rory
With the quality of music. Yeah, you could debate between Coco Gibon and Leon Thomas, but the impact that Leon made while doing so, not so much traditional R and B, but moving the genre forward with sound. I. I think he just. Yeah, he deserves. I think it's a cleanup for Leon if you're checking all the boxes.
Becky Milligan
Yeah.
Rory
But congrats to Tiana and Leticy as well, just for being nominated. Both. Both great albums, but. Yeah, I think. I think Leon's cleaning up. As far as best R B song, which would. Which would you take off T? I'm not against.
Becky Milligan
I didn't say. I didn't say. I don't think that Mariah. I think Burning Blue was really big and. But I think that her album deserved to be in best R and B album. That's just my opinion. Um, but for song. I wouldn't take anybody off for song.
Rory
Yeah, I think they kind of nailed it on the. The song area. I'm kind of shocked they went with.
Becky Milligan
I might take Burning Blue over Heart of A Woman. The songs for the best, the R. Best R B song nominees are Folded by Kehlani, Heart of a Woman by Summer Walker, It Depends by Chris Brown and Bryson Tiller, Overqualified by Duran Bernard, and yes, it Is by Leon Thomas.
Mall
That's a tough category. That's tough. That might be tougher than album. R B album.
Becky Milligan
I think Folded deserves it. If Mutt was on here, I personally like. Yes, it is over Mutt, But Mutt had the bigger.
Rory
The bigger Mutt just came out, man.
Mall
Before the whole Brown, Bryson Tiller. Yeah, that's tough.
Rory
I think Folded was the. The song of the year, but I wouldn't be mad at any one of these songs. Yeah, this might be the toughest category in my opinion. I think Folded should get it. But if any other record won here, I'd be like, yeah, I understand. But it should be between Folded and It Depends. I would have preferred Not Fair by Leon Thomas over yes, it is, but I think Not Fair is. Is like the superior record. Yes, but I mean, I get it was on the original Mutt album and that's what's William said.
Becky Milligan
So when you tell me that it's mine so when I. When I ask you if it's mine all I want to hear is yes, it is. My ears are sensitive. So when I ask you if it's mine All I want to hear is.
Mall
Yes, it is Chanel in every city, sitting pretty, talking dirty.
Becky Milligan
Hello.
Mall
When he said that, I said, this nigga's a genius.
Rory
Right on the wall.
Mall
This nigga is a genius. The boy is good. The boy's good. Now, now, y', all, I'm not gonna lie. That R and B song nominee is. That's a tough category. I think Chris Brown and Bryson might, might win that.
Becky Milligan
That won't be fair.
Mall
If anything, that would have qualified Durant. But NAR record is crazy. Like I. That's just a tough category.
Becky Milligan
But Folded was folded.
Mall
Folded is not. Folded is a smash. That's a, that's a big record. But you, Chris Brown and Bryson, well.
Rory
Congrats to Bryson because we had him on the show and you know, clearly he's right after he was about not wanting to do me right when he.
Mall
Was on our show, he became the, the biggest selling R P. Yes. That's to the. That, that's that we did that.
Rory
Oh, for sure we did that. That's why Nori called, was like, yo, I saw the Bryson interview.
Mall
You're welcome. We gotta go. But no shout out to Bryson.
Rory
But yeah, I mean, I think that is good though for him because he, he definitely has a bad taste in his mouth with the music industry. Not to say that the Grammys validifies anything, but, you know, I think it's great that he's getting flowers for the record he did with Chris Brown. Because it depends. Is incredible. We can go back to rap album of the year. Do we feel like they missed anything? I, I was not mad at all the nominations this year, to be quite honest.
Mall
I, I before we kind of.
Becky Milligan
You know what's going to piss me off when gnx. Okay, sorry. The official nominees for best Rap album at the 2026 Grammys are. Let God Sort Them out by the Clips. Glorious by Glorilla. God does like Ugly by Jid. GNX by Kendrick Lamar, Chromo Copia by Tyler the Creator. GNX is going to sweep and it's going to piss me off because the Clips deserves to win and that's not Kendrick.
Mall
Kendrick just opened his mouth. Someone go hand him a Grammy right now.
Becky Milligan
Jamal.
Mall
Where is your Jamal? I'm just saying the boy is prophetic. That's all I'm saying.
Rory
He's a, he's a Grammy darling. That's goes without saying. Do we think Alfredo2 should have been in here?
Mall
Absolutely.
Rory
Okay, but what do we take out?
Mall
Gen X?
Rory
You can't take out one of the highest selling.
Mall
All right, so misogynistic.
Rory
Glorilla Okay. I would agree with you. The only reason I was trying to.
Mall
Keep a female representation there. Yeah, I was trying.
Rory
The only reason why I think they got it right because I'm not looking at whatever my taste is. If you're trying to put together a proper category that does reflect the entire genre, I could see why you would put Glow really in there. The album is good. I personally would put Alfredo 2 there before it, but I get why they would do this. Like, yeah, some. Sometimes they keep it fair, sometimes they don't. I could never really, you know, figure that out with the Grammys, but, I mean, congrats to everyone in this category. I think. I think they'll. I think they'll give it to clips. Let God sort them out, but won't give it to them in the album of the year category. I don't think they'll snub the clips twice. I don't think the Grammys has the balls to do that.
Becky Milligan
They've did it to Beyonce, like, 15 times. You don't think they got the balls to do it to the Cliff.
Rory
Yeah, but Beyonce never sold coke.
Becky Milligan
You don't know that. You don't know that.
Mall
Not knowing if Beyonce ever sold coke.
Rory
She's never stepped on something to make it.
Mall
Yeah, Beyonce never tap danced on a brick before. We know that.
Becky Milligan
So y' all don't think that Jid could be taken out for Alfredo, too? No. Okay.
Rory
No. It would be Glorilla for me in the rap category, but I. I don't want that to look like it's Glorilla hate, because she is my favorite female rapper, and I thought the album was good.
Mall
But Glorilla is your favorite female rapper currently?
Becky Milligan
He didn't say of all time.
Rory
He said definitely not of all time.
Mall
Oh, I'm about to be like, what is happening? But currently, no, no.
Rory
She's my favorite rapper of all time. Not even female.
Mall
Of all time.
Rory
All time.
Mall
All genres.
Rory
Across all genres.
Mall
All genres and genders.
Rory
It's Glorilla then. PR.
Becky Milligan
Like.
Mall
Yeah, no, it's Glow. Big Glow.
Rory
I thought she should have been nominated in the R B category, too.
Mall
Yeah.
Rory
So she has some melody on there, but yeah, predictions. I'm going clips. Damaris, you say gnx Mall.
Becky Milligan
Predictions. Not who you think should win predictions.
Mall
Oh, Kendrick. Yeah, I think you know that. We know what we know.
Becky Milligan
What would Yalls preference be? Who do you think should win?
Rory
Clips.
Mall
Yeah, clips.
Becky Milligan
Clips. I'm going with clips, too.
Rory
Clips, for sure. Rap song. We have clips. The birds don't sing Tyler, Sticky, Glorilla, TJI Fridays, Kendrick Lamar, TV off. Doi Anxiety.
Mall
Kendrick just opened his.
Becky Milligan
I think Sticky. Nope. I think Sticky is going to win. Me personally. This could just be cuz I'm a girl. I think TJIF deserves to win. It's 7pm Friday. It's 95 degrees.
Rory
It's a great.
Becky Milligan
Ain't no nigga, ain't no ain't got me. My bad.
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Rory
You know, I think that that should win best rap performance after her reflection.
Becky Milligan
No, but seriously, I think that that song had the biggest impact. Listen, I think that song had the biggest impact when it came out. And I think it lasted the longest out of all of those songs.
Rory
I agree with you there. Yeah, you. You make a very good point with. With that. I do think. I think the clips may clean up. I think Birds Don't Sing may get this too.
Becky Milligan
It is a very Grammy song.
Rory
Glorilla.
Becky Milligan
Yeah.
Rory
It's got John Legend on it. Come on, let me get the hook.
Mall
The birds don't sing. The birds don't sing. They screech in pain. The birds don't sing. You gotta get out of Grammy. The birds don't sing. They screech in pain. I'd have like, John, get the out the poop with that. John, get your ass.
Rory
Actually one of the better John Legend hooks I've heard in a very long time. I like that hook.
Mall
They kept it because they didn't know. Yeah, they catch it on the window. They said, john, right here. Stay right.
Rory
See the line.
Mall
We only need this. Y' all don't go crazy.
Rory
But yeah, I see birds don't sing. Did they announce the performance? Stuff like who's.
Becky Milligan
No, they probably did. I Ain't Jack.
Rory
I could see them doing Birds Don't Sing at the Grammys with John Legend. And if John is busy, you know, I don't know, saving the Democratic Party, they should just. They should just hire Maul, I think, just to fill in.
Mall
I'm available right here.
Rory
The same way Hov to Bridget Kelly to do Alicia Keys part. I feel like you could be. You're the Bridget Kelly to Alicia Keys to John Legend, in my opinion.
Mall
Okay, in your opinion.
Rory
You're his Bridget and you're very humble opinion. You're Maul Kelly to John Legend. But I think Low Relish should get best rap performance with that record.
Becky Milligan
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Rory
Because that. That was by far the best performance out of everything.
Becky Milligan
Album of the year nominations. Debit Maz photos.
Rory
I was gonna. Yeah, I was gonna let you Go Bad Money.
Becky Milligan
Swag by Justin Bieber. Man's Best Friend by Sabrina Carpenter. Let God Sort Him Out. Clips. Push a T and Malice clips. Mayhem by Lady Gaga, GNX by Kendrick Lamar, Mutt by Leon. Leon Thomas and Chromo Copia by Tyler the Creator. Bad Bunny should win.
Rory
Well, I just want to say congrats to Leon and clips for being in the Album of the year nomination because again, we know the Grammys.
Mall
Shout out to Leon. That's major. That's major Leon Salute.
Rory
Amazing that you guys have. Have far surpassed whatever genre they have tried to put you in. So I think that's incredible because everyone else here has been nominated, I think, for album of the year before Shout out to Tyler because I thought they played him with. With Igor by making a rap album instead of album of the Year. So I think that's great as well. This is the one, I think, ironically, I think this is the one that GNX does take. Guys, I'm giving my predictions, not what. Not what I. Even though I do like GNX a lot, I'm just giving you what I think is going to happen.
Mall
Do you think he deserves it?
Rory
If album of the year is based off numbers, impact, and dominating the year within the Grammy dates, then, yeah, I don't think that's a bad take for. For what it did impact wise.
Becky Milligan
Justin Bieber up just. I was about to say, y' all got. Y' all got the Grammys and Justin Bieber up.
Rory
First of all, I think Swag is an incredible album. I think Swag two is an incredible album. I would never be mad at that, but I mean, I think. I don't know with the insider trading that we're going to get to eventually. This is what, two weeks before Super Bowl?
Mall
Come on. You saw him high five Lucian. Sir Lucian last year. You saw the high five. That five meant we're going to parlay this over into next year for the next Grammys as well.
Becky Milligan
Nah, I think bad. I think. I think Baboony gonna get it.
Rory
Yeah, this is too close to the super bowl, man.
Becky Milligan
And also, if y' all talking about numbers of impact, like, come on, Baboony.
Rory
Is this like. Is this like his illmatic. You know, I'm like. I'm asking, like, where is this in. In Bad Bunnies?
Becky Milligan
Don't piss me off.
Rory
I'm not trying to be like. I'm really trying to have a serious conversation. I don't know enough about his discography.
Mall
Like, this is not his.
Rory
Is this one. Is this one.
Becky Milligan
I don't Think this is his illmatic.
Mall
The album was dope.
Rory
Okay, sure.
Mall
Definitely.
Rory
Well, like, compared to the rest of his catalog, it's one. Everyone's like, yo, he took it to the next level.
Mall
I'm not the one to speak on that. I'm not that big of a bad Puerto Rican.
Rory
Yeah.
Mall
But I don't. I don't consume the music like that. But, I mean, I know that this album definitely shook the bodegas up for sure.
Rory
Yeah.
Mall
You couldn't order turkey and cheese without hearing this album. That wasn't happening.
Rory
But, yeah, I think. I think with super bowl, that. That Bad Bunny may get it, but if not, I'm on the side of gnx. But what's your final answer? You're going with Tyler, right?
Mall
No. Come on, man. Gnx.
Rory
You're going with gnx. Damaris.
Becky Milligan
I'm going with Swag. Oh, so I'm going with Bad Bunny. I lied. I'm going with that Bunny.
Mall
No worry.
Rory
Sebastian should have hired Kim Kardashian. Wouldn't be in this mess right now. Is she allowed to represent people even if she didn't pass the bar? I don't think so, because I thought she's been a Instagram lawyer for the last 10 years. Whole time Sebastian was in the league. I thought Kim K. Was freeing, freeing the guys.
Mall
I do think it's dope that Kim, because I didn't know she was really, like, trying to be a lawyer. So I think that's dope that, you know, she's really, like, going after this and. And taking the bar. I think that's fire.
Rory
I'm not here to shit on her, because I would definitely fail the bar exam too. I'm not here to clown her, but I. I always thought that was a serious thing, that that wasn't, like, a troll that her and Kanye were doing. I felt like she really wanted to do that.
Mall
That was dope.
Rory
And she's freed some people, but I don't know. To make Ms. Pat got to have Kim K on. On her show. That would be said since she failed the bar. If she passed the bar. No, but since she failed it, I think Kim K. Should be a regular lawyer on Ms. Pat's. Like, she should be the D.A. for every case. With Ms. Pat, the D.A.
Mall
That'S crazy. No, I want to see her. I want to see a. Pass the bottle. That'll be fine. Kim Kardashian is a lawyer. That's fire.
Becky Milligan
I want that for her, the family.
Mall
Her dad, you know? Right. All of that, man, that's Fine. That story is crazy. I think that's a. I think that's a great story. I think Kim Kardashian becoming a lawyer is. Is crazy.
Rory
Your Honor, this case is so not cute.
Mall
Cute.
Rory
I feel like that's what you'd say.
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Mall
Nah. Kim go. Coming in. Really know them words, though.
Rory
Know them words.
Mall
You know them. You know them court terms that we don't know. We gotta be like, yo, what she said? Yeah, she gonna know all of that.
Rory
Before we get our back to Kim.
Mall
The suits is gonna be crazy. Oh, she gonna walk in that mother. You know she gonna walk in there. The suits is gonna be crazy.
Rory
That's gonna be the new adventure.
Mall
Yeah, for sure.
Becky Milligan
The new Michelle Obama.
Mall
I like that.
Rory
Kamala and all them.
Mall
Oh, yeah, that was influenced by Kim. To do other things. Now go pass the bar.
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Mall
Get from behind the bar and take the bar.
Rory
Yeah, don't go just from the bar to a real estate agent behind the.
Mall
Bar and take the bar.
Rory
Let's see.
Mall
Let's see them do that. Let's see that challenge.
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That challenge.
Mall
Not, not. Not the baby boo challenge. I don't want to see the baby.
Becky Milligan
Yes, you do.
Mall
Let's see the pass the bar challenge. Let's see that.
Becky Milligan
You know how hard it is to pass the bar.
Mall
I mean, hey, it's hard to shake ass too, if you ain't got nothing, but some of them is doing it. They up there on that. Click the baby boo challenge right now. It's some on there that don't need to be on there.
Rory
They should be studying for the bar.
Mall
Yeah, you should be studying for the bar. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Let Kim K. Pass the bar, become a lawyer, and let her inspire and influence the next generation of young women to pass the bar, not be at the bar.
Rory
Yeah, well, it's gonna be.
Becky Milligan
So in California, you're allowed to take the bar exam without going to law and, like, becoming. Having your degree in that. But I think it's cool. But I also think it makes it a little harder to pass the test.
Rory
Like, well, obviously, yeah, because you're not going to a law school that teaches you all this stuff. But there's some people that are not built for school and are just geniuses that should still be able to be lawyers if you can pass the bar. Like, that's the point of going to law school, is to then pass the bar.
Mall
Didn't Frank Abagnale pass the bar? Come on, Frank. How'd you pass the bar?
Rory
Studied my ass. Off.
Mall
How'd you do it, Frank? How'd you do it? Classic movie. They don't even know that movie. Rory, catch me if you can.
Rory
Was it the bar?
Mall
Yeah.
Rory
Okay. I thought. I wasn't sure it was real estate.
Mall
No, it was the. He passed the bar. How'd you pass the bar? How'd you pass the bar? Come on, Frank.
Rory
Do we want to go with some of these bar questions? I see fentanyl out the gate.
Mall
Okay, so. Damn, Josh. Okay, you are.
Rory
Let's see. Let's see what? Kim couldn't answer that. Maybe. Maybe we could. Maybe we should move to California and become lawyers.
Mall
Okay. You are a criminal defense lawyer representing a client who has been charged with fentanyl possession. The police found this fentanyl in the guest bedroom of the client's uncle's house when responding to a noise complaint at the house. Before entering the house, the officers knocked on the door. When the uncle answered the door, the officers asked if they could look inside the house and the uncle agreed. So that's, you know, the owner of the house gave them consent to come into the house.
Rory
Well, he was high on fentanyl.
Mall
Right. The client did not live in the house and was not there at the time of the search. The client had stayed in the guest bedroom of the house two nights prior to the search. The uncle told the officers that the client was the last person to have slept in that room. You are considering filing a motion to suppress the fentanyl under the Fourth Amendment, which everyone knows. Which of the following legal topics are the most important for you to research to determine the likelihood of success on a motion to suppress.
Rory
So there's A, consent search, B Exigence.
Mall
Exigent circumstances, C hot pursuit, D probable cause, E, reasonable suspicion, and F, standing.
Rory
Was the uncle standing when he let them in the house?
Mall
Definitely was standing.
Rory
So I mean, this seems like the most reasonable one. All right, so the consensus search did happen. Cuz the uncle said come on in.
Mall
Yep. Select two.
Becky Milligan
Yeah.
Mall
So I would say. I would say a consent search.
Rory
Well, no, cuz the.
Mall
Oh, no.
Rory
He consent.
Becky Milligan
Yeah.
Rory
Yes. I feel like is the only one I know is off the.
Mall
Okay. Yes. A, I guess we would have to take C out hot pursuit because I.
Rory
Don'T even know what that means.
Mall
Yeah. E, reasonable suspicion. I think we would take that out.
Rory
I would say with B.
Mall
Yeah, I would say B, Exigent circumstances. And.
Rory
I don't know, but it's like I'm doing in a multiple choice test when you just try to take out answers. You know, like I would do. I don't know the right answer. I just know what the wrong answers are.
Becky Milligan
I would do E and I would do E and D. E, N, D. What are you guys doing?
Mall
Yeah, Andy, I'm going B.
Rory
And.
Becky Milligan
Okay, so I'm doing D and E, which is probable cause and reasonable suspicion.
Rory
Oh, wait. Okay. Because the question is, are the most.
Becky Milligan
Important for you to research? Research to determine the likelihood of success on a motion to suppress?
Mall
I'm going B and.
Becky Milligan
Which is exigent circumstances.
Mall
Yep. I'm gonna go B and.
Becky Milligan
Or ex. Exigent. F. Exigent. B and F. Okay. Standing in exigent circumstances. Rory, don't look up.
Rory
I'm not. No, I'm not. I'm walsing on my computer. I wanted to take consent search out, but if that was the last place that I slept, I didn't give consent. Even if it's his house. Like, if I was the last person to be there and my is in there, wouldn't I have to give consent?
Becky Milligan
It's not your house.
Rory
Well, I would want to research that to see if there was anything I can. Okay, so if I'm standing and all my is in his guest room and he says, come on into my house. Like I didn't say you could look through my.
Becky Milligan
So you're gonna do consent search and what's the second one?
Rory
I'm gonna go A and B.
Becky Milligan
You're A and B. Consent search and exigent. I think y' all just doing that because y' all don't know what it means.
Rory
No, it's. No, that's exactly. That's damaris. That's exactly why I picked circumstances.
Becky Milligan
And I'm gonna do so and mall's gonna do existing circumstances and standing. I'm going to do standing, probable cause and reasonable suspicion. All right, what's the answer, Josh? Consent to search and standing. Damn. One of y'. All. You got one and ma got one. I got both wrong.
Rory
That's. See, that's why we're the lawyer duo, right?
Mall
That's why Kim should have just called me. She would have passed the by.
Rory
What does standing even mean?
Becky Milligan
I have no clue where.
Rory
Where you were standing. Yo. Your Honor, he wasn't standing there, so how could you.
Mall
He wasn't standing there.
Rory
All right, maybe let's try one more.
Becky Milligan
Yeah, let's do one more. Your client owns a carpet cleaning company. The company recently contracted with a customer to clean the carpets throughout the customer's 10 story building for $15,000 with payment due in 30 days, before payment was due, the customer sent your client a check for $12,000, along with a note specifying that several of the carpets still had stains and included pictures of the stained carpets. The customer's note also said that if your client cashes the check, the remainder of the customer's debt will be discharged. Your client now seeks your advice as to whether the company can cash the ch, relinquishing its right to recover the remaining remainder of the customer's debt. Which of the following search terms will be the most likely to produce resources that will answer the client's questions? So, basically, client, we're a lawyer. The client has a cleaning company. It was due for $15,000. Payment due in 30 days. Before it was due, they sent 12,000 saying, Y' all ain't do your job well enough. If you cash this check for this 12,000, I'm not giving you the other 3,000.
Rory
So out the gate, I'm going offer and acceptance. Because they stated what it would be.
Becky Milligan
Yeah.
Rory
And if you accept that, meaning cashing the check, you've accepted the terms that the client said.
Becky Milligan
So I would do A and D because I don't know what novation means.
Mall
You said just pick one.
Rory
No, it says select one.
Becky Milligan
Oh.
Rory
So D seems so obvious that I feel like I'm probably wrong, but I'm going D. Okay.
Becky Milligan
All right, I'll go A.
Mall
All right.
Rory
Well, Kim, gotta call three of us, though.
Becky Milligan
Yeah.
Rory
For any of the cleaning questions we got.
Mall
I didn't pass.
Rory
She's a woman.
Becky Milligan
That was funny. That was interesting. We would fail terribly.
Mall
I definitely am rooting for her, though, to pass the bar. And, you know, seeing Kim in courtrooms.
Rory
Yeah.
Mall
You know, practicing law, that would be some cool.
Rory
But she's got to practice law in a state that allows cameras. California definitely does because of the OJ Shade.
Becky Milligan
Right.
Mall
We just got to see the suits. The suits, yeah.
Rory
Oh, that fit check is going to be.
Mall
Oh, my God.
Rory
Crazy.
Mall
No worrying.
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Mall
Official that him and Janae are no longer together.
Rory
I'm looking to Damaris for this one. They cleared up the rumors they well.
Becky Milligan
The clip the rumor that they cleared up was things that were being said about Janae's past. Basically there was a tweet where somebody was basically saying, big Sean and Janae have broken up. And it's because people are saying that Shawn's wasting her time. And they're like, janae was once married to Dr. Genius, and she cheated on her husband with Big Sean. And they just had this whole. They wrote a whole narrative for Janae's life. So Big Sean retweeted it. Scroll up, Josh. Big Sean retweeted it and basically was like, I hate that y' all are doing this to, like, Janae. Like, I understand y' all writing narratives about me, but I hate that y' all are doing this to her. And it became, like, a big thing because people were like, kind of like, Sean, why would you, like, retweet that? Because now you just bought more attention to it. People probably wouldn't have seen it. And then that's when Janae stepped into the shade room to be like, hey, first of all, me and Dot are fine. He never beat me. All of those are rumors. But we just got married too fast. We eloped. We fell in love fast. When I was mourning my brother, we eloped. And then we realized that we had married each other. Even though we were strangers, we have no issues. But we separated. Me and Sean got together after a long friendship. Like, it's just kind of like clearing up the rumors of people just saying how toxic their relationship is and all that, and people attacking Jana and making it somehow her fault, per usual. Per misogyny.
Mall
So her and Big Sean are still together?
Rory
They didn't really address that.
Becky Milligan
They didn't really address it. I'm assuming they're. They're broken up because they have not cleared up that they have not come on and said, we're still together.
Rory
So, yeah, Sean basically just said, leave for the.
Becky Milligan
Leave her alone.
Rory
Like, what? Yeah, y' all are being weird. Just leave. Leave her out of this entire thing.
Mall
Okay, well, hopefully, you know, whatever they got going on. And that's another thing we do, too. See, this is like spaces for Big Sean and Janae. Why are we even talking? Who cares? That's their business.
Rory
I mean, yeah, of course it is. And their personal business is not our business. I would only speak to it as somebody that wanted part two of 2080.
Mall
Now, we could have that conversation. Are we still getting that? Are we getting that? Are we getting another album?
Rory
You know what would be really dope? And again, I don't want to play around with their personal life, because I know they have a child together. That's. That's a whole thing co Parenting. It's just. It's a thing. So what if they did, like, a love Below speaker box thing where Sean gave his side on one album and then she gave hers on the other and, like, lemonade to 444 type of thing. But in the Outcast thing, and that's. That's the new 2088.
Mall
That's like, they don't have to be.
Rory
Together to do it. Like, they could just give their.
Mall
I like that. That's like the last season tomorrow. And when him and Gina couldn't be filming together, they were going through their thing, and then it was making it seem like he was moving to LA to be well. Cause she moved to LA for a new job. Like, yeah, they need to do it like that. Like, you make your album, get your shit off. I'm not gonna even listen to it. We don't hear it until it comes out. And then I get my shit off on my side of the album. I like that. So that's actually some genius shit right there.
Rory
Here's the thing. All right, let's debate this. The obvious answer is that Janay is gonna win that because that's Janae's bag. I would be very, very terrified of Janae's pen in that regard. Like, if we were doing a breakup album versus in that way, Janae. Janae might be top three of all time when it comes to that type of pen. But if you've heard that Bryson Tiller record over the J. Dilla shit, when Sean gets in his breakup bag, he's up there, too. I don't know if this would just be a clear fleece for Janae, even though we know who she is when it comes to that type of content.
Mall
I don't know, but you're looking at it like a battle. I'm not looking at it like that. I'm looking at it like I just want to hear both sides from each person's perspective on what the relationship same.
Rory
Who's going to do it better?
Mall
Who's going to do it better is different now. Who picks better production?
Becky Milligan
Janae.
Rory
I mean, Janae. Janae really ushered in an entire sound to the R B genre. Like, Janae has more kids than. I think people give credit to the way we talk about Aaliyah and how many kids she has. I think we don't give Janay enough flowers of how many children she has running around of. From her exact Sonic's writing voice. Sean, though, I mean, he did go triple platinum last time he talked about his ex.
Mall
This is what I'm talking about.
Rory
He knows what he's doing when he talks about ex.
Mall
He's no stranger to this environment.
Rory
He's no stranger.
Mall
He's no stranger to this environment.
Becky Milligan
When they were dissing each other on none of your concern. Right?
Rory
Yeah. Love that record.
Becky Milligan
Cause, see, Janae could, like, go crazy on him. Crazy wordplay, crazy poetry. You say some shit to me. Like, I made you come nine times in one day, and I'm a fly. I'm gonna crash out on the record. Like, I'm.
Mall
Who said that?
Becky Milligan
Big Sean said that. I'm none of your concerns.
Mall
He said Janae made him come nine times.
Becky Milligan
He said he made her come nine times.
Mall
Oh, okay. I'm about to say, I don't know if he was supposed to admit that she made you come nine times.
Rory
I mean, they did this record together.
Mall
Yeah, but I still don't know if he was supposed to, like, let that out. Like, your girl make you come nine times in one day. You gonna tell nobody no shit like that?
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Mall
Yeah, she. She got you a girl, make you come nine times.
Rory
No, he was saying that he made her.
Mall
I know, but I'm thinking that he was saying that she made him. I'm about to say, if that was the case, a man can't. You can't let that out the bag.
Rory
Who can come nine times.
Mall
This is what I'm trying to say.
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Rory
Only a woman could do that.
Mall
This is what I'm trying to tell you. So any man that'd be like, yo, shorty made me come nine times in one day. I think every. All may collectively would be like, word like. And now every in her inbox, I'm trying to see nine times in one day, fam. Like, what's up? Soon as y' all break up, y'.
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Mall
I mean, him wasn't even cool like that.
Rory
You can give me a. A dick steroid and the baddest chick on Earth, and I still wouldn't be able to come.
Becky Milligan
What's been your top, your high? The most?
Mall
My high score.
Rory
High score of making a girl come or how many times you've come.
Becky Milligan
How many times you have come?
Mall
You're gonna come.
Rory
I'm gonna come.
Mall
Come Diddy dum dum.
Rory
I probably hit the five. I probably hit five. Am I in my. My youthful days? I could probably do five now if I trained.
Mall
It probably was around that for me, too. But all I remember is, like, after the last one, I felt like I was so, like, depleted, I said, I can't do this. Like, I can't. I felt, like, weak. Like, I had. I was lightheaded. Like, I just felt, like, empty. Yeah. Like, I got. I had to put on, like, compression socks. It was all kind of shit going on.
Rory
Like, the Red Cross had to come.
Mall
Yeah. I remember saying, like, y', all, maybe we should go outside. It was like, one of those days where you just in the crib all day probably. I think it was raining, nasty outside. We both in the bed naked, TV on. Like, we just humping busting nuts. I just remember getting up like, yo, I need, like, protein. I need to replenish. I remember having that feeling of just getting lightheaded.
Becky Milligan
Like, did you love her?
Mall
Did I love her in that moment? I did that day. Oh, yeah. I loved it that day.
Rory
All five times.
Mall
Oh, God. Who's in love that day? Yeah, that was. That was my baby that day. Two weeks after that, I was off it, though.
Rory
But by four, like, wow. There's really not much left. Like, you're just orgasming with, like. Like, a little fluid will come out. It's not. I don't even think that's come.
Mall
Yeah, no, it's like when you dry heaving, like when you vomit.
Rory
Exactly, exactly. Your dick is dry.
Mall
Yeah. I'm not even like, what am I doing right now? Let's get them. Let's be productive in society today.
Rory
Man, I miss those. Those old days when you in love. And just all goddamn day it's raining. Oh, man.
Mall
It's the best, right? Cuddling in between Uber eats outside the door cold.
Rory
And then you just get that feeling. All right, I'm ready again. Yeah, your brain tells you that. You good now.
Mall
I'm horny again. This over there, shmurmy. You ain't even. Yo, get in the shower. Y' all go outside. Breathe. Open these windows. Do something. Get out the bed.
Rory
Nah, I'm gonna go. Try to follow.
Mall
That's how you got tomorrow.
Rory
Well, I mean, respectfully, with that person.
Mall
Yes.
Rory
Somebody I was in love with and not gonna give details there, but no.
Mall
It was humping for sure.
Rory
Yeah, I would. I would.
Becky Milligan
Pumping. My God.
Rory
Respectfully, making love. I prefer, um.
Mall
Yo, see, this is why you being spacious to my. I'm sorry. You was not making love. You was.
Rory
Yes, I was. I was. Yeah. With somebody I was in love with.
Mall
That's not making love. Just cause you in love with him don't mean you not fucking.
Rory
You can make love.
Becky Milligan
Why you act like he can't make love?
Mall
That's not what I said. That's not what I said, but if you having sex and you busting five nuts in one date, you fucking. You not making love five times.
Becky Milligan
Yes, you can.
Mall
You not making Baby D. You can Baby D. Stop, stop, stop, please.
Becky Milligan
I'm humble. Or just be.
Mall
I know. That's what I'.
Rory
I'm chilling.
Mall
But stop is not making love five times. Just like you not putting on five condoms after that three pack. After that three. Listen, Check it out. Let go and let. God. I'm not going back to the store. I'm not going back to the store. I'm not.
Rory
That's why I be laughing when people that go through the condom pack and then just end up raw. Like you could have just done. Like, why didn't you just. Raw. Yeah, like, what we doing now?
Becky Milligan
But you lowered the chances, which you.
Rory
You got a lot of that. That out of your system.
Becky Milligan
Chances of, like, the chlamydia.
Rory
Oh, I was about like, a sperm count.
Mall
Oh, wait.
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Rory
Give me. That Was not.
Mall
What are you talking about? What do you mean you lowered the chances of getting chlamydia because you went through three condoms? What are you. What math is that?
Rory
Did the latex just stick to your dick?
Mall
Yeah. Explain that to me. Please explain that. What do you talk about?
Becky Milligan
Because, like, you just. If you go outside, like, five times, okay, then you. Five times without your gun, you go outside, then you might get robbed five times. But if you go outside with your gun three times, then you only might get robbed twice the times you didn't have the gun. That's.
Mall
I don't know what the. She just.
Rory
I'm drunk.
Mall
That was the marriage.
Rory
That was Foxy Bunch of.
Mall
What the are you talking about? That math was crazy.
Becky Milligan
I told you, I'm not.
Mall
You go out five times. You might not.
Rory
If a tree falls in the forest, do you hear?
Mall
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck? If a woodchuck could chuck wood? What is the matter?
Rory
What came first? The chicken of the egg?
Mall
Yo, you just gave me no clearance on what you was talking about.
Becky Milligan
I'm sorry, y'. All.
Rory
But listen, man, if you go to Ocean prime and then top golf, you're not making love after hell.
Mall
Nah.
Rory
You making love.
Mall
You go to top Ocean Prime. Yeah, we. That's not making love. We not making love. We. We ready to go. I'm horny you both.
Rory
You can do both.
Becky Milligan
You can be horny and make love.
Mall
Not. You can't make no making love five times in one day. Damaris who?
Rory
Somebody in love. I'm a.
Mall
That made love Five times in one day.
Rory
Well, wouldn't you say the definition of making love would be that you're in love?
Mall
No, I'm about to curse her out. No, I'm dead serious. I'm about to curse Damaris out. Please, I had a long week. No, stop playing with me, please.
Becky Milligan
I can't take much more.
Mall
I swear to God. Yo, I swear to God.
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Mall
They gonna have a spaces with me tonight if I talk to Damaris.
Rory
You want me to come on the stage?
Mall
Damaris, stop playing with me. Stop fucking playing. Cause I'm not. I'm trying not to go there with you, but you pissing me off. And I'm about to go there, so stop leav. Leave me alone. Damaris, I'm telling you right now, leave me the alone. All right, cool.
Rory
Okay, we can move on. You was out last night. What happened? And did mall go with you? Because I know you guys had a.
Mall
I was at a. I was at.
Becky Milligan
A party called Demons Need Love, Too. Shout outs.
Mall
Damaris. Damaris. Damaris. Yo, please, just move her mic. Just cut a mic off. She had a party called Demons and. What? Demons in Paradise.
Rory
Demons Need Love, Too, which I think is a great name for a party. If you would have just invited me, I would have been on space out.
Becky Milligan
To the demon boys.
Mall
Demons Need Love, Too. So I like.
Rory
I like the title of that.
Mall
So what happens at this party's mar.
Becky Milligan
It was a R and B party.
Mall
Demons went to a R and B party.
Rory
Yeah.
Becky Milligan
Yeah. Demons Need Love, Too was a R and B party.
Mall
I was it. Real demons in there, though.
Rory
You looking at one.
Mall
Damaris ain't no demon, man.
Becky Milligan
Please.
Mall
She's sitting here with Pedialyte. Pedialyte. And demons don't need Pedialyte. Like, she's sipping cold Pedialyte trying to recover. Demons don't need that.
Rory
They just need people's souls.
Mall
Yeah, that's it. They just eat souls and get back to it.
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Mall
Like, you don't need no Pedialyte. So Demons need love, too.
Becky Milligan
Yes.
Mall
Shout out to demons. Lead love, too. So it was an R B party.
Becky Milligan
It was wonderful. They played like, real R B. Like, you know, you go to R B parties, play the same five song. Nah, niggas got in a R B bag, yo.
Mall
Yeah, the D cuts, the B side.
Becky Milligan
Feeling shit I ain't felt in years.
Mall
You was doing what?
Becky Milligan
Feeling shit I ain't felt in years.
Mall
Like, man.
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Mall
Y' all got it.
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Becky Milligan
It was a good party I had.
Mall
You know, I was Feeling?
Rory
Tell me about the feelings I was feeling.
Mall
I ain't for what you ain't. What you felt at the demons knee love, Damaris that you ain't felt in years. Please tell me what you felt.
Rory
Why did that Carl Thomas record hit different this time?
Mall
Why them words? Why them lyrics landed like that last night? Tell the people.
Becky Milligan
Yo, listen, when you singing cater. I don't want to get into it. Anyway. When I was on space.
Mall
She would have put this durag on.
Rory
She want to take a. She want to take a grown man shoes off.
Mall
Yo, it's called demons. It you in there acting like you acting like a in there. It's demons get demon time. Angel that's sitting there crying, and only.
Rory
Angels run back on her for you.
Mall
Put durags on you. What you doing?
Becky Milligan
Oh, first of all, demons is the most sensitive people you can ever meet. You ever had a demon in love with you.
Rory
That is true. Yeah.
Mall
Very, very sensitive.
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Rory
Nah.
Becky Milligan
But when we was on Spaces, I was getting ready for the club, like, dead ass, trying on different skimpy little outfits, listening to Marielle. And yeah, I went out and I'm like, Rory. Like, I'm like, rory, you know, just get some sleep. That text me and say, you get some sleep. You on Steinway. I'm like, yo, get off my location. Like, yeah, I was a Stiami man.
Mall
Was running around with that. I was like, totally forgot Police. This is why I don't hang out with nobody. When start saying like that, they don't even know I delete them on my phone. Like, where you at, bro? I'm in Stiami Delete. I'm not talking to this over again. You're in Queen, sir. What the are you talking about?
Becky Milligan
Oh, my.
Mall
I'm in Stiam.
Rory
The closest beach is the East River.
Mall
Shut the up, man. You in Queens, Astoria. Like, shut the up.
Rory
You are one block away from Ravenwood project.
Mall
I'm in Stiam. All right, man.
Becky Milligan
That was a time.
Mall
So that's where you was at last night?
Becky Milligan
Yeah, that's where I was at, man.
Mall
Okay.
Becky Milligan
Had a good time.
Rory
What's the. What's the Steinway nightlife like these days? It's been a while for me. I've been on Steinway when the sun is out recently.
Mall
But wait till mom Donnie checks in January 1st.
Rory
He lives in. He lives on Stway.
Mall
He got power now. He got access to funds.
Rory
There won't be a traffic law on that street.
Mall
You see what it looked like over there?
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Mall
Y' all wait.
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Mall
I'M sorry, Baby D. So use this thing.
Becky Milligan
Yo, yo.
Mall
Demons need love.
Becky Milligan
I wanted to send Josh a video, actually, of you.
Mall
All right, all right.
Rory
Thighs.
Mall
White slip.
Rory
Little white slip with the.
Mall
With this.
Rory
That's leather shorts. Matching the leather boots. Not you cheersing on ig.
Becky Milligan
Sweet, sweet. Lady was playing. Yo, Tyrese.
Mall
Okay, lady, what did you guys be playing? Demons need love, too. Who is the. With the hookah? He trying to act like he not with you.
Becky Milligan
I don't. First of all, it's my brother. Don't do that. And it was his birthday. I own too much play.
Mall
It's always a birthday. Shout out my Gucci, yo.
Becky Milligan
All right, what's on the docket?
Rory
I'm done. I'm done making birthday jokes, so I'll just leave that one alone.
Mall
Yeah, shout out my Gucci, yo.
Rory
Clay, Clay, Clay.
Mall
What about Clay Damaris? What about Clay Thompson? Tell us. Tell us. Yeah, because your girl, your girl got this nigga. He asking to go to la now. He went out of Dallas. He like, y' all want to go to la. Yo, Meg is crazy, yo. Oh, my God.
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Date: November 16, 2025
Hosts: Rory & Mal (with Damaris and Becky Milligan)
Podcast: New Rory & MAL (iHeartPodcasts & The Volume)
Episode Theme:
A highlight reel combining fresh stories, candid hip-hop debates, irreverent hot takes, music industry chatter, and real-life laughs. This week's "Best Of" centers on reactions to the 2026 Grammy Nominations, humorous speculation about Kim Kardashian’s legal ambitions, and plenty of playful, NSFW relationship talk.
| Time | Speaker | Quote | |---------|------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:50 | Rory | “I saw no one talking about the Grammy nominations over the weekend because nobody cares...” | | 05:14 | Rory | "Leon Thomas... I think it's a cleanup for Leon if you're checking all the boxes." | | 06:23 | Mall | "That's a tough category. That's tough. That might be tougher than album." | | 09:01 | Mall | "Kendrick just opened his mouth. Someone go hand him a Grammy right now." | | 18:09 | Mall | "I think Kim Kardashian becoming a lawyer is crazy." | | 19:30 | Mall | "Let Kim K. pass the bar... pass the bar, not be at the bar." | | 24:54 | Becky | "I have no clue what standing even means." | | 35:24 | Becky | "Janae might be top three of all time when it comes to that type of pen." | | 38:31 | Mall | "After the last one... I had to put on, like, compression socks. It was all kind of shit going on."| | 39:48 | Rory | "Man, I miss those old days when you in love. And just all goddamn day..." | | 44:46 | Mall | “Demons need love, too. Shout out to demons. Lead love, too.” | | 45:01 | Becky | "Feeling shit I ain't felt in years." |
The episode blends irreverence, cultural critique, and inside-hip-hop humor. The hosts veer between silly, insightful, and vulnerable, keeping it honest (“I would fail the bar too”), always ready to roast one another, and often escalate into comedic tangents about relationships, clout, and city nightlife.
This "Best Of" episode is a perfect sampler of the New Rory & MAL show: astute music industry discussion with a bias toward R&B and hip-hop, wild hypotheticals, wild party recaps, and explicit but relatable relationship talk. It’s equal parts barbershop debate, morning show energy, and late-night oversharing—always delivered with sharp wit, a dose of self-awareness, and the chemistry of friends who know each other’s best (and worst) moves.