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Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
What'S going on, man?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I'm good. How you feeling?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I feel good. I feel like we should get right to it.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Let's get right to it, man.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I feel.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I feel I'm in the mood today. I feel some type of way today.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I feel like you owe the culture some push ups.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Why?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I feel like you owe us 10 push ups.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
For what?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Cause on Friday, nothing dropped, but another variant of COVID Mad.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Mad albums dropped.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Nah. No. But one of the most singles anticipated albums of all time did not drop.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Mad albums dropped. Mad songs, singles.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I'm so happy to see that the Wave is free. We'll get into the French and Max B tape. I like it a lot.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know. No, you didn't know.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No. That's what everyone is saying. Well, did not know.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I know. Come on, man, don't do that. Don't do that.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Christmas, we gave you a mulligan sample clearances or whatever. Yeah, but you were certain that something that we have been anticipating, which could only really be three people, when you get down to it. If we're talking rap, if you said across all genres, you throw Beyonce in there, whatever. But we were thinking, and I guessed you were talking about J. Cole. I don't think Iceman is done yet. I don't think Kendrick is dropping in the first quarter. So that would only leave one, which we assume to be based off the clues that you gave us was Jermaine Cole. So I feel, even though I would not speak for the culture, just in the room, I'm the only one with a mic that wasn't wrong in this situation. I feel like you owe us 10 pushups.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
10 push ups for the culture just for getting us all excited.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Had a great weekend.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Rob Markman made a good point. I don't know if he was some of you or not, but I feel like as podcasters, maybe we should get fined for misinformation.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Why?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, we should put like, you know, the swear jar. We should do a swear jar across the board for all podcasters. Listen, I owe a lot of money. If that's the case.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. But if I. If I said a name, that's different. But I did think I did. I did have very good intel that an album was dropping that we were all anticipating.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know what I feel like.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
This is almost like Woman, semantics. Because we knew based off the clues you were giving, there was really only one person that it could have been.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Who else do you think it could have been?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Well, I know who I was talking about, but I wouldn't say.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Did they drop?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Why? I don't know. I don't know. Things happen. I don't know why it didn't drop, but I have very good conversations that it was supposed to drop, but, you know, okay, things happen. So it is what it is. Do you think I was wrong that one time? I'm sorry, y'. All, I apologize. But I didn't give that information without great resources. That's all.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Which I understand. I've been in that situation. And sometimes you get good information from great sources and things change. And then you already went out there and said some shit.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's okay. I'm not like others in the culture where they don't. You know what I'm saying? Apologize for their mishaps. I'm a man. I apologize, y'. All. My work's still good. My stamp is still good, though. You know what I'm saying?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Players fuck up, too.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. The work just got intercepted at the border. That's all.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Trump, Trump.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Trump is being hard out here.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Was your 92 bricks?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Now you're crawling back.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's okay. It's all right. It's all right. We still here?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Do we think that that. All right, I'm done playing the guessing game. I. Me personally thought you were talking about J. Cole. You did not say it was Cole. I felt like you were talking about Cole. Whatever album it is, do you think maybe this Friday? Do we think it's just off? It was either last Friday or we don't even know. Is it just getting pushed a week?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know about a week, but it definitely was. Again, off. The information that I had, it definitely was slated to drop Friday with.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay. With the fall off being rumored. Not just with you. There was. There was. You were not. You were the first person, not the only one that talked about what an album was dropping Friday or around that time with Iceman, we think is almost done. I don't know. Fall off, rumored to be almost done. Do Cole and Drake drop within the same month?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Same day?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So do you think they're both playing the guessing game of who's gonna drop and that's maybe why things are being pushed back?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Nah, I don't. I mean, you know, Drake is the algorithm. He does what he wants to do when he wants to do both of.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Them do whatever the fuck they want to do?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, but I mean, I think Drake has more of a chokehold on the algorithm than any other artist right now. I think more people aren't anticipating anything that Drake does or says.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Good and bad. People that want to see his downfall and people that want to see. You are correct.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yes, he controls that. But I think Cole, people want to hear from him.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Cole is still very much in that algorithm based off everything that's been going on. Cole is not talked about constantly because he's not so forward facing as Drake has been, especially in the last two years. So I still think Cole kind of moves. They both move whenever the fuck they want. Unless Taylor Swift is dropping. I think the only other way that would dictate their release schedule would be the two of them with each other. Of. Of when Fall off is coming and when Iceman is coming though, I don't think like it matters. I feel like both could drop the same day and it would be fine.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
For who?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Both of them. I think you'd get very similar sales.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You think if Drake and J. Cole dropped the same day, they. So who do you think has, you.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Know, Cole has outsold Drake in a year before.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Right, I understand it, but who do you think has the number going into this album? Who do you think number one album that week if they drop the same day?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know. I. I don't know. Based off the directions they're taking in the album where if Cole goes for a more for your eyes only style type of album and Drake goes for a more, I don't know, views style, I'm taking Drake there. But I think you underestimate the Cole Stan fan base. And I don't want to say stream for him because that implies bots, but I'm saying how dedicated and loyal his fan base is and the numbers that Cole does, I. I think it's neck and neck to be. It's been neck and neck before. Neither Drake has never completely outsold Cole like by a mile. They've been very similar with numbers. So they went that Cole's outsold Drake.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Before they dropped on the same day before?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No, but I'm saying same year.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Does that count for something?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No, I mean, I think both of them are. Obviously, you know, Forest Hills was the.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Highest selling rap album that year. Right?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I'm not, I don't remember. I couldn't tell you.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I. I believe that broke a bunch of numbers. No, Josh, not Forest Hills, Queens. All you had to type in was J. Cole. That's literally all you needed to. He types in Forest Hills, New York. What the. Is going on right now?
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Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Zillow came up for sales in Forest Hills. Yeah, I think it's closer than. Than we would anticipate. I think Cole, Kendrick, and Drake, for the most part. I mean, Drake said more of. Of an output, so totality. Because he's had way more projects. Of course, he's. He's outsold both of them in that regard. But if you're going album for album in the years that they both drop, you make a.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You make a very good point.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's been. It's been very close.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But I can promise you that J. Cole doesn't want to drop the same day as Drake.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, I don't think he does either. Yeah, but if they're both looking at first quarter, like, it's already mid January, it could end up that they're a few weeks apart for sure.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Maybe.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
If you're Drake or Cole, do you want to drop first or second in this coin toss? Are you. Are you waiting?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, which one am I?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Either one of them. Would you want to drop first?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
If I'm cold, I want to drop first. Get it out the way.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
His most anticipated album. Get it out of the way.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No, I'm just saying. Get it out. This might be Drake's most anticipated album.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, yeah. Okay.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. And we've been with. We were supposed to get this cold album how many years ago?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I would rather Drake drop first if I'm Cole, just to get all of the Kendrick, Drake, Internet. Is he replying here? Just let that clear out for two, three weeks, and then people actually start listening to Iceman for the music it is, not for what the subliminal message means.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Wait, you said if you're cold, you want Drake to drop first.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, get the whole Drake, Kendrick.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It doesn't matter when Drake drops.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Just get the Iceman shit.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That's not going away for sure.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But I'd rather that not take over when my album's only a week or two old. Like now. We're just. This is just gonna start now.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's so much. It's a lot of pressure on Cole with this album, though.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
A lot of pressure on Drake, too.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, but I. I think we've seen, obviously, who handles pressure better. We've seen it, so. Yeah. Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So, I mean, you know, Drake has definitely made some. Some moves under pressure that look like panic, but I'm not saying they are. But yes. In the scope of things, Cole bowed out immediately where he didn't even have the chance to make those types of decisions.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Couldn't sleep. Couldn't sleep.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No worry about, I think, what made the Internet upset, which is, again, we're not going to take any accountability. We put it on page. We can't do that anymore. So now it's Trey for sure. I think the word overrated is what sent people off. Your point. I understand your point. I totally get it. We can debate the point. It. It's not a point that other people haven't made either. I think everyone just reacted to the word overrated.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But I.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
There's no world where Andre 3000 is overrated. Like, he's still one of the greatest rappers that's ever.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
If you have him in your top five, that's overrating them.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay. I mean, that's subjective, personal to me. I don't know if I had him.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
In my top five. You need. So you need solo albums. As an mc, you need solo albums. It is what it is like. But that's not a knock on him. That's not. I'm not saying he can't do it. He just didn't do it for whatever reason. That's his creative decision. I'm just saying if I'm looking at all of the other rappers and MCs that are in my top 20, all of them have solo albums.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You can't be the only one that doesn't have a solo album and you're in top five. No, no, come on, man. That's unfair. You know, 9th wonder has some very interesting things to say. I'm not saying it was about me.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Talk to 9th. Shout out to my brother Knife.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He just had some expressive things that he wanted to get off his chest about the 3,000 take. And, you know, I've read what 9th said, and I respect 9th and I think he's incredibly talented. So he's somebody who I would look at and listen to what they have to say and take some. You know, I would take something from that because I respect his opinion. But, yeah, I mean, it's just my personal opinion. No disrespect to Andre, but like I said, you have this conversation in Atlanta. A lot of cats in Atlanta don't even revere Andre the same. So when people say, oh, your regional biases. I'm from New York City. The fact that I would even have Andre 3000 in that conversation means I'm not being biased.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't think I'm talking about there's.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Plenty other New York MCs I could have put there in my top five. Just if I'm being biased, but the fact that I recognize what Outkast. Because we not gonna just say Andre, what Outkast did for the culture and the music that they gave us, especially somebody like me. That's why Andre was in that conversation. But it's not a regional bias. Like, I'm not biased because I'm from New York and I just want to. I'm not knocking Andre. But again, you go to Atlanta, the disrespect that I've personally had conversations and the things that I've heard, or the kind of like, the knock that they give Andre in Atlanta. We're in the city that he's from, and I'm looking at the. I'm arguing for Andre in Atlanta.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I can cosign separate times when I've not even been with you in studios. I've been the only person defending Andre 3000.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yes.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
With a bunch of kids that were born and raised in Atlanta.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So it's not. I'm not being biased. Just personally, you don't have any solo albums.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So this was. I didn't see all the 9th tweets. He was suggesting that there was. Oh, yeah, Agency bias.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Ninth was saying, we need to take the microphones away.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Well, I don't think he was specifically.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Rosenberg said that I need to take a week off. I'm just like, God damn. For my personal top five. I mean, if that's. If I was being re. If I was being biased, I could have had Nikki in my top five.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
What's funny? But the top five part, when you sit and think about it, I think I'd want to ask Ninth and Pete is three stacks in their top five. And then naming your top five is. Five's a small. Small.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You know how many rappers. You know how many rappers have come through the culture?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
50 years of hip hop.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Top five. I don't think it's disrespectful if someone's like, Yo, I got three sacks at 12.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I wouldn't think that's a diss at all. It's not. So that's what I'm saying. I wasn't. And I think for the most. Because, again, I got a lot of phone calls and text messages and DMs from some of your favorite rappers, artists, producers, where they were agreeing with me.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
They were saying, yo, you right. You gotta have that solo work. You have to. But it's not. They understood what I was saying I'm not knocking his skill set. That would be fucking crazy for me to knock 3,000 skillset. Like, he's a fucking. A legend in every sense of the word. He's one of the most creative, you know, people we've had in our culture. But without that solo work, it's too many other artists that we could fight for. And they have plenty of solo albums.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I wouldn't. I'd be lying if I said Regency Bias does not exist, but I don't think it. It exists in a negative way whatsoever. Like, if I hear a rapper and I ask, yo, where they're from, if they're from New York, am I going to be happy about that? And be like, yeah, of course. I probably like more New York rappers based off where I was from. Grew up, listen to that type of music. I probably have more of an affinity for Kiss than maybe somebody in the Midwest or the South. I get that that's in a positive light. I've never heard someone and then they said, oh, nah, they're from Chicago. And I went, I don't like them anymore.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't make sense.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That's never. Yes, there is a bias, no matter what. By proxy, wherever you grow up, you're probably going to like that music more because it's right there. You're going to be excited to champion the people that have the same experiences as you and the same neighborhoods that you grew up in. You can identify with them more. Yes, that adds in a piece to it, but I've never heard a rapper that I liked. And they said, nah, he's from Gwinnett County.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I'm like, oh, yeah, I would never.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I hate this song now.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, it doesn't.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He can't be in the top 10.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. And the thing about the top five is we know they say we're regionally biased. There's really only because I think. I think for the most part, most of us in the culture, guys like 9th, Pete and, you know, guys that have, you know, been around or in music or created music. I think we all have J Big and Nas. I think that's three that I think I could safely say, I think from.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
9Th and Pete's eras, most of those guys, no matter where you are, most.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Of us, we have Jay Big, and all three of those gentlemen are from New York City.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So where does my regional bias come in if we all unanimously have three gentlemen in our top five?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
In the beginning, it was mostly, you know, till the early 90s when the west coast came with dominance. It was New York for the most part.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So that's what I'm saying. So why am I now being regionally biased if we all collectively have at least three guys in our top five from the city I'm from, I'm not being biased. Like, that's what we all have to choose from.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
If you're not being negative, what's wrong with that? Like, I have no idea what it's like to be from Atlanta and go buy a fudgeing Gucci mixtape in 05 off Cleveland. Like, I don't. I don't know what the same.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It doesn't hit the same.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Don't know what that's like.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Right.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Does that mean that I discredit Gucci? Right. No, I just. I don't have that experience, and I wouldn't look at someone who has that experience and be like, nah, it's trash.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
And I wasn't there.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. We all kind of have some regional. Regional bias. Because, again, the way you live with the music, the way you grow up with the music, what it means personally to you, the timestamp of it, or where it takes you back as far as being a kid in high school, like, where you're from. Yeah. That's the music that. That you listen to growing up. So it has a different meaning to you, and it holds a different amount of weight personally to you and.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But to me, even, like, Gucci's an example of that. I think Three Stacks has surpassed any region. Yeah. Yes, I think so. Three Stacks is as Atlanta as you could come. Something to say, of course, atl. Yeah, we. That was.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
We've had this argument with people from.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Atlanta so far surpassed Atlanta.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
We've had this argument with people from Atlanta who don't feel that way about 3,000. They don't feel the way I feel for 3,000. And they're from the city he's from. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, you know, reading things like what 9th is saying. It's like, I understand it. I get it. But it's like there are people from the city that Andre is from that don't hold him to the regard that I hold him from. And I'm from New York.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
And again, I don't know if he was specifically talking about you or this podcast in general.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He was talking about me, man. Neither is my brother Andre 3000.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, he was talking about me as your brother. I will reply on this pod's behalf of saying regional bias. I'm From New York. In my top three, if not one, My personal favorite group of all time is Little Brother from North Carolina.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. When I was.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You've been very vocal about that.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
At 13, when I picked up one of the best produced albums ever, the Listening. I'm not sure the producer's name.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Right. What's his name again?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I didn't go.
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Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. I would never take this out of my head.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, my God.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He's from North Carolina in ninth one.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
This is the greatest shit I've ever heard in my life.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
There was no. No Regional Slum Village.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I hate Detroit when Knife says so. And this is his conclusion. So anything.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You know, we just fucking around right now.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, of course. We love Knife. So in conclusion, I don't care what ranking anyone puts him. Damn. You talking to me. Andre Benjamin is one of the greatest ever to put pen to paper.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I agree.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I've seen people put their favorites on list, even with a subpar album discography. Nope. 3000 is a master of words, period.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, well, I don't agree. I don't disagree with one thing.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Neither do I. Neither do I. But there's nobody on my list whose discography is whack in my top five. I tell you that. Not in my top five. No.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
And okay, ninth is correct about everything he said there. And again, I do think right here, we got to stop reasonable bias. Because if 3000 was born with a northern area code and did a ton of mixtapes and verses. We aren't having this debate.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Of course. Exactly. If he had mixtapes and he had solo shit. Yeah, you're right. That's my whole point. You're right.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
If he did that, but not if he didn't. If. If Three Sacks was born in New York. No, I actually think a lot of the genius of what Three Stacks is is his Atlanta perspective. No matter where you put that beautiful Mind, it's going to be amazing. Yeah, but that sound in Southern Playlistic Cadillac, like that. That's my. How much I love 3stacks is based off the sonics that he created. Like, it's the style. Yeah. And that's. That's an Atlanta style. That's why I love him, is because he's from Atlanta. And when you get down. And this is a regional bias that a lot of people outside of New York hold to this myth of New York bias. Northern area code. Go talk to a bunch of kids in Jersey because they'll start to think, if I was born in Brooklyn, people in D.C. if I was born. You just Keep going down and down and down. It's. No one's ever going to be happy. Northern. I'm sure the clips thought at the time, like, damn, we was born. Well, I guess they were. But if we were from the Bronx, Bronx legend. They are. But that's what made the clips. The clips is because they were from Virginia. So I don't agree with that. If. If they were from a certain area code, they'd be revered more.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I like what this gentleman had to say in response tonight. We said no. What does region have to do with people saying he needs a solo catalog? Y' all love Screaming Bias when up north folks don't agree. I like that. I like that. Yeah. I'm just saying, solo catalog, solo album. Even if it was just one. Even if he just gave us one solo album, I'm not saying he had to give us five, six albums. I'm just saying even if it's just something where we could say, okay, this is what 3000 looks like on his own, away from Outkast, even though he has verses. But again, it's features on other people's songs. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just not solo.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Rap, because he gave. Because people was fighting for love below and all of that. And I'm just like, bro, that's not rap.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's not. And I have to give some pushback, too. Even though I'm on nice side with this and agree with what he said and disagree with you, I still. If you look at Knights, Knight was already a young legend when he was with lb. But him doing threats, him doing girls for Destiny's Child, and then him going on to start his label, have his own artist produce for other people. That made ninth the legend outside of the group. Like Primo, gangstar race groups of all time. Would Primo be a legend just with Guru? For sure. But why Preem is alien? Like, is because he went out and did so much stuff as DJ Premier, and I feel like producers go through that same thing. There's a lot of times we've seen producers that are like in, you know, the early days when it was producer, mc, group type thing, like, well, yeah, I gotta see what they do outside of just the group. Yeah, that's a big thing with producers, too. I think ninth is the legend. He is based off Little Brother for sure. But it's everything 9th did outside of LB that made him who he is and why we revere him so much.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Right.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Because he had the range to do elsewhere outside of just what he was doing in the LB bubble. So. Yeah, I would say the same thing for producers. And I. I hear what he's saying. He's. Three Sacks is one of the greatest to ever put pen and paper like that. Goes without saying, but that's not even what the argument was. Exactly.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Show me where that wasn't. I didn't. I didn't say all of that. Didn't take nothing away from him. Just personally gotta have solo albums, man. But. Love to 3000. I hope he didn't see that clip and think that I, you know, was disrespect. It's never that from me. Love to 3000. One of the greatest ever. We just need solo 3000.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But no, I'm excited. I was hoping you were. You were correct about that. But yeah, I liked Rob Markman's suggestion of. Of finding podcasters.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
All right, so what about when I'm right? You gonna pay me more? Yeah, Rob. Yeah, we talking about Rob. Is Rob penalized me for being wrong.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But then when the Jimmy Hoffa of the podcast union.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But then when I'm the one that's gonna do when I'm right, then. Then it's just.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, it's like, you know, bonus. Like. Yeah, it's the same thing. Yeah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
The.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay, then I need a bonus for getting Merrill.
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Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
For Hot 97. Congrats to our brother Mero Morning show. How today.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You never announced that. You never said that out your mouth.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Because I was being responsible.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You never said Mero of your mouth.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I gave all the.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You said whoever takes the job is somebody that has a cult by all this other shit. You said somebody from New York, suck a shit. No, I said. I didn't say sucker.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I said whatever.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I said whatever else you said. Okay, you said that. Right. But you never said Meryl's name.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I alluded the way you alluded to just conclude for it to really be cold when the clip went viral on Twitter. All the comments under based off. Because I wasn't going to say Meryl's name out of respect for him, even though he saw the clip and laughed.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Didn't give a fuck. Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I gave as many clues where it could obviously either land on Desus Romero. So. Yeah. And then they said this podcast has no credibility. When they announced that like Atlanta Digital Team.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
And I was like, we have no credibility.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, I'm a piece of. I should die.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. No credibility. Zero.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But yeah, congrats to Merrill. I think like I said, Meryl, congrats, man. Month ago. I think it's a great fit for where HOT is at right now.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Bronx legend.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Absolutely. A Bronx.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Another Bronx legend playing high school legend.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. Hope they give him as much creative freedom as possible, you know, to turn around the HOT 97 train. Because, you know, we've been critical of HOT but that still is a logo and company that has been part of our lives. Yeah. Forever. And we love Hot 97. We only want the best for you. That's why we critique. And I think, I think Meryl makes the most sense.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. Shout out to Merrill, man. Good job.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. We should go up there.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Let's do it. Go kick it with Merrill.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
6Am I just do it.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I just can't go to sleep the night before.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Well, just.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I gotta stay up all night and then just go there. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, no sleep, but let's do it.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
How do we think Mero's gonna. Like, what do we think his. His blueprint for this? This will be. Do you think it'll be the traditional, what? Ebro Rosenberg, Laura Charlemagne. Ye Envy. Like, all right, we'll just do our commercial break shit. And then our focus will really just be the. The digital interviews. Do you think Meryl would just do that? Do we think he'll get in some of his sketch bag? Do you think they'll focus more on radio clips rather than long form interviews? Like, I mean Mero was great on desusamero as far as interviews went with everyone. But I'm curious to see the. The. The two hour sit down interview. One on one with Meryl and an artist. I just don't know if he's going to take that route. He does great with Mellowing Cass in that regard too.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But I just, I don't have the answer to it. This is me more complaining without a solution. Radio just. It needs a revamp or something.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like it can't what Breakfast Club did to kind of revamp radio. They need another one of those. And I don't know if it's the same blueprint of what Breakfast Club. Breakfast Club did what was perfect for that time Radio needed to go digital and Charlemagne smoked that shit and completely changed radio forever. I think they needed another one of those. Like give us a reason to turn on the radio.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. I think, I think it'll be a different. A different version of what we've already gotten with morning radio.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. Because right now it's a YouTube page.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Right. Right now the way Ebro and them brought it, which I'm is fine. Their interviews were great. It was just another. It's another podcast YouTube page. That's all it really is.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
At the end of the day, so I don't know if that's gonna be the solution.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, hopefully. I mean, I don't know. You know, I know radio and these program directors, I hope they give Mero more freedom with artists, though.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Hell, yeah. Yeah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Especially New York artists. I think we need to get at least back to that in some way. Yeah. You know, radio, now you can be on your morning commute to work or school or whatever, and soon as you turn the radio back on after your day is over, it's the same song that you probably left off of. It's crazy. Like, we need to get more, you know, new artists, new music on the radio. So hopefully Mero kind of has some say in that. I know, you know, program directors gets a little. A little iffy in that. In that regard, but hopefully we get to that. Man, with the morning show.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. I hope they focus. I hope Mero is able to stream 6 to 10. I hope they're not so much in that old corporate bag where it's like, we have to be on this radio frequency and on this YouTube page, and if we. If he puts this on Twitch, then it's over, because corporate would lose their mind. It all has to be under this umbrella. Like, I hope not just discovery with music, because clearly we've seen, like, people like Kai. There's young content creators in New York that do other things besides music. As much as I want music discovery, a lot of the younger kids are more interested in content discovery. Yeah. So I hope Meryl can at least focus on, like, local streamers and. And. And get them involved, because I think even, like, what Plaqueboy Max does, I think music discovery has gotten better on streaming than it has on any other platform.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, for sure.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, yeah, radio is tough to break music because you have the gatekeepers. This and that streamer's been putting on a bunch of new artists that I love, and then those artists become streamers because they're like, well, this is where my audience is at. So, yeah, I hope Mero just is able to fuck with the younger kids and that, like, doesn't always have to be some kid that could freestyle well from Flatbush. Like, let's, you know, diversify with the content and maybe not just music can help turn that entire thing away to get us to eventually focus on music.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Make morning shows great again.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Is that maga?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's close. I guess it's like Mero Mega.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah I like make morning shows great again.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Who do you think his first his first guest will be? Jesus.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay, I can promise you that won't be the first guest. I don't know man. I don't know who was first guest would be. I don't even know if it'll be a music guess.
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Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Mal we have our Senior Coal correspondent from her remote location in Fayetteville North Carolina. First of all, baby D, how are you feeling? We miss you dearly. The listeners miss you dearly. How are you feeling outside of the cold news? We just want to check on your actual health, mental health. Then we can get to what has cured you, which is Jermaine Cole announcing an album. But how are you feeling?
Baby D
I literally had nothing to live for. And then, boom, something to live for. Like, this is amazing. You know, healing wise. I'm doing. I'm doing better. I'm doing a lot, a lot better. I'm looking forward to going, coming back to work. You always be like, I don't want to go to work. And then, like, when you can't, it's like, damn, like, I would like to leave my house, you know?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So how's bedrespin? Picked up any new hobbies?
Baby D
You know, I didn't know that there were so many seasons of Law and Order svu. Like, there's so many seasons.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That show first aired when you were three years old.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It is airing tomorrow.
Baby D
I was like, damn. Like, I, like, I was like, I can't binge this from the beginning. I'm gonna start at, like, season 20. But I've been getting, like, I've been getting a lot of editing done, prayer done. Like, but I'm. I'm going stir crazy in this house. I really am.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You've been getting prayer done? It's hilarious. How do you get prayer done?
Baby D
I've been getting prayer done.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You just been praying. Like, how do you get prayer? You start a prayer and you go back to it later. Like, what do you mean?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You table that bread when you be getting bread, you know, when you be like.
Baby D
Cuz, like, a lot of my prayers, you just in the moment prayers. I'm like, damn, I need to do, like, some, like, some prayer. Like, I've been needing to. Some I've been needing to pray for for a couple years. But, like, I ain't get to.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, you finally got you. Oh, okay.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. You know, you don't want to ask.
Baby D
God for too much. But now I'm like, getting to the point where it's like, all right, I can't keep praying these same prayers. Like, I gotta expand a little.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Did you pray for this. This album to drop?
Baby D
No, because, you know, see, you should.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Have prayed for it. You would. Got it.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You still pray for times like this.
Baby D
I should have. But, you know, I feel like God, when I was getting to the point where I was, you know, looking for a reason to get out of bed, God said, Here, go one. So here we are.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I noticed that you had posted, I.
Baby D
Don'T know, y' all ordered your vinyls.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I noticed you purchased your. Your vinyl and posted the confirmation within I don't know, maybe three minutes of the announcement.
Baby D
Yes, I did.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
How much was it?
Baby D
With shipping and handling, somewhere around $70. So that's like two meals I can't eat this month, but it's fine. I don't care.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Two, six. You'll eat again on February 6th. You'll eat.
Baby D
Yeah, yeah, I eat again. February 6th, drink again. That's gonna be my first drink. That's also when I get off official, official bed rest.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So February 6th is your official bed rest day release.
Baby D
When I. When I. Because I can't. I can't do any heavy lifting. I can't do any working out, and I can't stick anything in my vagina until February 6th. So I'll be back to work before then. But, like, the important stuff I can't do.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
P just asked if you needed, like, any furniture move. Plus that last thing.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Plus that last thing is hilarious. Plus that last thing. That last thing on your list. Like he said. He said he's a veil. He checked his avails. He checked his avails. He's free.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Stop.
Baby D
I can't laugh. Stop. For real.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He checked his avails calendar. I was slammed. I'm wide open.
Baby D
I'm wide open.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, my God.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That's what he was suggesting.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
All right. Where. Where's your head at with what's going to be on this. This album? How'd you feel about the snippet? And how do you feel as one of the most relatable rappers is porsche and charged us $70 for the vibe. I remember when it was a dollar in the dream. Now it's $70. You know, I'm just trying to start up to with you.
Baby D
The. The vinyl was 40 something after shipping, immediate shipping, and all of that stuff.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I thought Joe Biden got rid of that. All them hidden charges trump no back. Okay.
Baby D
Oh, that's for Ticketmaster. What's up? What y' all thought of snipping? Y' all know, I thought it was wonderful. I thought it was beautiful.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I thought it was the greatest snippet. I think it's a. A classic already. I think it's five mics.
Baby D
Like, what you. Y' all calling me? Y' all know what I got to say. What y' all got to say?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I'm. I'm like, actually really excited. It's hard to get me, like, really Excited for a rap album these days? Yes. I'm. I'm very, very much excited for this entire thing. I'm just being. Me too, Baby D. I just have this really. I just have this cloud of Internet rap beef over me that's trying to like rain on my parade of actually being excited for somebody that's really good at rapping and making music.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I can't wait to do the J mean when you doing this. And I'm looking up, this is hard because, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to like this, that I don't want to like it. I'm just joking. But no, I think it's gonna be a good album.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I, I my prediction to Maris. I do think Cole has a little bop on this one. I feel like he's kind of. The last two albums, I felt like he's, he hasn't focused on that, which I'm fine with because I'm usually not somebody that wants the bops from these types of rappers. I think there's something on there that's going to play outside. Like I think you and I will be on Steinway this summer listening to something off the falloff. I don't think he's just giving us this whole rapidy rap reflection. I think it's going to be there and I want that. I do think he has a joint on here that's going to play outside.
Baby D
Like a J. Cole bop in a very long time. So I would appreciate that.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I mean, don't, don't save her. Was that the last, last bop? I'm saying bop solo because he's, he's been on Box on that album. But that might, that, that plays in the Hookah Lounge, like right now?
Baby D
Yeah, yeah, probably.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I think we're getting a new one. I think he was testing the waters with his sexy drill. I heard it's grippy. I think he was just working on some. I think that was, that was his seven minute drill for Outside Records. I think we're getting one of those from Cold.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You think he'll have like a first person shooter vibe or call it first person apology.
Baby D
That was even a good joke, like.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Well, hopefully the album is better than that joke, Baby D. It will be. Hopefully.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Do you have any feature feature predictions?
Baby D
I don't have any feature predictions. Maybe a jid. I don't have any feature predictions. I'm praying for 21 savage feature. As I say all the time.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Not gonna happen.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Definitely not gonna happen.
Baby D
Okay.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He chose.
Baby D
I can still pray for it.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
The, like, well, no, you got more prayers to get done, so. Yeah, that's. That's another one. You have to.
Baby D
You know what I'm saying?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, I just feel. I mean, as much as, like, I love all Return of the Dreamers, like, I kind of just want the non Dreamville Cole project. Kind of just want Cole and he. We already have two amazing 21 Savage Records with Cole. I don't know if I want more of the same. Like, I don't want to rinse and repeat of trying to redo classics.
Baby D
Like, I want another one. But, I mean, I hear you.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know if I want Cole trying to be what he's been before, which has been great. Let me work with the younger artists. I don't know if I want that either. I think I kind of just want J. Cole.
Baby D
Oh, okay. You want platinum, no features.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. I thought we were debating about the Kendrick thing, because I've said on this pod a bunch of times that I thought there was Kendrick features. As the minutes pass, I'm leaning on a just J. Cole, no features album.
Baby D
I don't think that's gonna happen. I think there's gonna be a feature or three.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
What you think about Freddie Gibbs feature.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That's not gonna happen. You'll get a 21 Savage feature, bro.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I'm just saying what y' all think.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Gibbs has been allegedly dissing him for the last three years. I think he. I think he has a sub at Freddy. That is debatable. Like, oh, he not. He not talking about Freddy, but he was talking about Freddy.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, my God, man.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
What's up, man?
Baby D
I'm just here to say this.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It ain't no room. It ain't no room for subs. He's Jussie Smollett when it comes to subs. There's no rooms for it.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Well, that was the only true thing in his story. There was a people's love.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No sl. I don't want no subs. No subs. Just give us great music, great bars, no subs. Hold this up. Hold all subs. Great, great songs, great rapping, great production. We happy once you start subbing and it's like. No, no, no, no. Don't do that.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Stay away from that. Stay away from that. Just give us the. Give us great bars.
Baby D
Yeah, he doesn't have to. There's no. There's no need for any of that. Everybody's been waiting for this. Everybody just wants to hear Colby Cole. And when you're exceptional at rapping without the gimmicks and the fake mystery and whatever the hell other people got going on when you're just amazing at rapping and putting words together. We just need the music, that's all.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I'm gonna out our good friend Reason. I have a group chat with Reason and some other people, and he. He put the Instagram trailer in there and put ah in all caps. A H, h, h, h, h. And I said, this is gay.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Did he scream? Is that. Is that man screaming? Screaming via text. Don't scream in my text because J. Cole announced the album, bro.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
And you an artist yourself.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, you a rapper yourself. You can't scream because J. Cole announced the album like he's a fan of Cole. You can be a fan. I'm not saying you can't be. You can't.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He has a good relationship with Cole as his man.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Imagine if. See? Nah, don't. No, don't do that. Because.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Because I would also call you gay if the Iceman came out and you went, ah.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Exactly. Exactly. That's. That's all I'm asking. Just keep the same energy for everybody. That's crazy. To scream when another man announces an album drop. That's crazy.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But if it's cold, I don't give.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
A who it is. You cannot scream as a grown started because we've been.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He claims we've been moving the goal post for gold, so I do, and it's okay.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's okay. We understand that. It's all right. Listen, I'm looking forward to this album just like everybody else. Like, I want to hear it. I want to hear what he did.
Baby D
I couldn't pick a better week to be gone from work. Every time I log on to the Internet, it's a clip of y' all somewhere. I'm like, I'm so happy that my body decided to fail me this month. You niggas been getting clipped up for the past week.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Really? For what?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, fill us in.
Baby D
Full predictions. Andre 3000 is overrated. All types of been going on when I've been gone.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, okay. Two for two.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Richard Sherman
Yeah.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Sounds like we're potting.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Two for two.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
What? What have you learned about your friend group inner circle since you've been on bed rest?
Baby D
Oh, my God. Just say you want praise being a good friend, yo.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You want me to praise you being a good friend, yo, I swear to God, that did not even enter my mind. It was more so the subs I've seen you've been throwing out. I'm only talking about subs. Yeah, I actually think I could have been a better friend. I think I've been.
Baby D
You were a very good friend. You were very attentive. You were attentive to a fault, but.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't care about that. Yeah, Nah, tell me. Tell me about the people you were subbing.
Baby D
Ah, it's cool. It's. Everything is copacetic. It's cool. I seen who was there and who wasn't. I think. I think, too.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay. That trick, you got to go through the fire to know it's hot, right?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Baby D
Nah, nah, it's cool. Lonely over here. It's been lonely, yo. But it's all right. I'm cool.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's not your shit. Yo, baby, I don't know who you think you talking to or who. What you think you getting off right now. If you think that I think that it's been lonely over there, like, cut this.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
If I can't even pull up, I.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Will unplug this zoom and you will be out of the in two seconds. Like, get the fuck out of here.
Baby D
Shout out to my. Shout out to my friends that have that. That reached out, that were there and not just, you know, shit from, like, me being rushed into emergency surgery. As far as just shit. I was already going through a shit with my mom, and people knew, and they reach out. So, like, you know what I'm saying? So, like, from that to that, it's like, oh, all right, I see. I see what 2026 about to be, but to everybody, I did have a huge village of people who did whole shit down. But I seen.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Well, I. I called you. I FaceTimed you and text you. Didn't get a response. I didn't get shit.
Baby D
I was off oxy. I was off oxy when you called me. I was in a lot of pain. I was off oxy.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But I'm saying, but you up now, though.
Baby D
And I went to surgery, got out the hospital, came home, kicked my feet up, got unconstipated. You called me three days later.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Well, yeah, I was giving you time to, you know, get your feet up under you and just. And then I went home. I said, Let me FaceTime, baby, then check on FaceTime. No response. Text you. No response. I'm like, all right, now you sitting there hugging the J. Cole vinyl. All right, cool. Say no more. You took a picture. I see what 2020. I'm glad you said it. I see what 2026 is.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
These are terrible situations.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
This is revelations right here. Wait till I have my surgery.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So I know you're getting. I know you're getting much better. But you could tell the doctors you're not, right? And still keep all those prescriptions, correct?
Baby D
Nah, it don't. It don't even work like that.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, I'm running low because we're on zoom. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk week after.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, I know a guy.
Baby D
I don't know how people take them shits. And, like, I don't like those drugs.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
But we could sell them.
Baby D
I got low dose. They gave me like a. Like, you know, just enough to put me to sleep.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That's all the dope has need.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah.
Baby D
Nah, we gotta get some of that fit for the office. That.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No, we don't. No, we do not. No. Hey, I don't know who's listening. No, we do not. There's no fence nowhere in this office. No, it is not.
Baby D
That went crazy. That.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No, let them raid the office so we can sue Mandami and get some money. No, I do want to try fent one day, but with that.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Who says that?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Like, just one day. I want to try it.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Okay.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
All right. Not till I get on it.
Baby D
But I gotta see that go straight into your veins. Whatever they putting in the coke, you don't want that. You want this. That goes straight into your veins. That was crazy.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
My godfather, who I told y' all had stage four cancer, never did any drugs, got addicted to fentanyl in one week, immediately, it was that good. And then I was on FaceTime with Damaris yesterday, two days ago, and she was telling me how good the fent was. It's a drug I gotta try.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah. Spoken like a true white boy.
Baby D
Y' all miss me? Like, damn, I know the office.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
No, not really. It's been mad. We've been having mad activities in here. This shit been lit in here. Like, we really noticed. Not like, it's cool you got another surgery coming up in February. Like, you want to. Like, you mean go back out for another week or two? Like, it's all good.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Take your time.
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Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Take your time, baby D. Take your time, baby D. Did we look at what.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
What day of the week? February 6th is he doing? He's doing a Friday. Okay, so what are we doing for the sixth? We throwing a party that's almost just.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
As gay as reason screaming. Almost not as gay, but.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yo, what's up? We doing a listening party here. All 20, 25. I felt like maybe we could bring.
Baby D
The fan that really. With Cole. I don't want to listen to nobody that's in there looking for mistakes. No, I Want to listen with real.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
You talking to me?
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, you.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, yeah. I don't want to listen to cold fans either. Y' all gonna hit subpar bars like.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, my God, now we're gonna hear subpar bars.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
When clouds came out, which I did.
Baby D
When clouds came out the way re. Reroute subpar bars.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Hey, yo. When clouds came out, y' all was in there going crazy.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
When clouds came out and then was.
Baby D
Subpar them with subpar bars.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That was just working out.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That was just working.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
We the type of cold fans that.
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Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
He went, whoa, that bar's crazy.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Rory. You know how many times Rory played that snippet or the intro? You know how many times he played that? I thought it was the whole song. I didn't know. I didn't know you could loop like a tweet like, I didn't even know.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That poor thing wanted the war thing. He came with more pain.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
How he do that? Like that and put the merch. Oh, poor pain in the war game. Hair loss go to road gain. I know how he did that.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
When it be dropped.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yeah, yeah.
Baby D
The hate don't work.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Did you hear the song? Because actually, it was kind of hard.
Baby D
Don't worry. Yo, ain't Iceman coming like you got something?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Chill, chill. This ain't got nothing to do with that. This is the fall off. This is the fall off. We on fall off time. February 6th. 26.
Baby D
26.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
26, 26. That's what we on, baby. You about to get it tatted. 26, 26. Yeah, that's what we on.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
And he's 26. Went over your head dissing you, man.
Baby D
Yeah, it did.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That's nasty.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
So bad.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
That is so nasty that you said that.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, he's 2 6.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Oh, my God. Yo, y' all are crazy, man. I love J. Cole stole that day from Drake.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Drake.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Listen, listen, I'm with.
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Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
This was taken by Cole was over. Part six was taken. Everything's been taken. There's no sixes left for Drake.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's a beautiful day. Well, Baby D. Was good to see your face, good to hear your voice. Hopefully you healing up. You know what I'm saying? Get your hibiscus tea and all of that in you. You know what I'm saying? Get yourself together, and we looking forward to having you back in the studio sooner then later. Hopefully before. Hopefully before for 2 6. 2 6.
Baby D
I gotta come decorate the office like that.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Decorate.
Baby D
That's the real Valentine's Day. That's the real Valentine's Day.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
2 6. That's the new Valentine's Day.
Baby D
Valentine's Day.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
February 6th is the new Valentine's Day. All right. All right. I respect that. All right. That's the new. You ain't even know that was a new Valentine's Day.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
What is that? Aries? No. Aquarius. Aquarius. Which day is 2, 6?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't know.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Astrology with the stars.
Baby D
Aquarius.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Aquarius. You didn't even think about that?
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I didn't.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Scorpion like, yo.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's everywhere.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
A quemi. Three stacks. It's all tied together.
Baby D
I just. If you have sex during Aquarius season, you give birth to Scorpios. That's all I'm saying.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
Yo, Baby D, it's been good talking to you.
Host 1 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
I don't have anything. Enter your vagina, too.
Host 2 (Likely a Hip-Hop Podcast Host)
It's been great seeing you. Great talking to you, Baby D. We love you. We see you soon. Get better. Be safe, be blessed, and heal up soon. Peace.
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Episode Date: January 18, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Rory & Mal (with guest Baby D)
Length: ~55 mins (summarized for main content)
Theme: Heated hip-hop debates, industry news, J. Cole’s album anticipation, and a dose of classic podcast humor
This “Best Of” episode of New Rory & Mal spotlights the hosts’ signature blend of hip-hop commentary, playful banter, and cultural critique. Discussions orbit impactful rap album drops (especially J. Cole’s “The Fall Off”), the politics of release dates, the perennial Andre 3000 “top five” debate, and transformations in radio and streaming culture. The return of Baby D brings both comedic relief and genuine insights into stanning, healing, and J. Cole obsession.
[03:09] Album Rumor Accountability
[06:14] The Release Date Waiting Game
[08:07] Who Would Win? Drake vs. Cole Release Head-to-Head
[11:45] Triggered Over “Overrated”
[16:00] Regional and Recency Bias in Hip-Hop Lists
[36:16] Baby D Returns as Senior Cole Correspondent
[41:02] Album Predictions
Hosts and Baby D predict a “bop” will appear on the album, not just introspection.
Guest speculates on possible features (hoping for 21 Savage, expecting maybe JID, less likely Kendrick).
The hosts stress: they want authentic music, not needless rap beef or subliminals.
[47:05] Family Dynamics
[49:53] Jokes About Pain Meds & Surgery
[51:13] Dreaming of the Listening Party
[54:23] “2/6: The New Valentine’s Day”
Consistently irreverent, funny, and insightful. The hosts’ chemistry delivers both loud laughs and real hip-hop analysis—ideal for fans who appreciate nuance and outright silliness in equal measure.
Summary Verdict:
This episode is a perfect encapsulation of Rory & Mal’s strengths: hip-hop industry speculation, robust argument over GOAT status, clever inside jokes, and an affectionate roast of fandom. If you want the pulse of rap conversations and podcast culture with honest, occasionally wild, hot-takes, this episode delivers.