Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 4/21

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & Mal – Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 4/21

Release Date: April 28, 2025

Hosts: Rory & Mal

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1. Nas’s Beat Selection and Legacy

Rory and Stephen A. Smith delve into the enduring legacy of Nas, particularly focusing on criticisms surrounding his beat selections over his 30-year career. The discussion highlights the dichotomy between Nas's exceptional lyrical prowess and the perceived inconsistency in the quality of his instrumental accompaniments.

• Rory emphasizes Nas's influence:
  "[04:56] Rory: 30-year career speaks for itself. Who are all these magical rappers that pick great beats over a 30-year career?"

• Stephen A. Smith acknowledges the validity of the critique:
  "[05:49] Stephen A. Smith: I don't think that every beat Nas has is weak or trash. No. But there are some songs where the performance and rhymes carry the track more than the music itself."

The hosts agree that while Nas has delivered numerous classics, not every beat aligns with his lyrical genius, leading to some mixed receptions among fans and critics alike.

2. Double Standards in Age-Gap Relationships

A significant portion of the episode addresses the societal double standards surrounding age-gap relationships, especially when older men date significantly younger women. The conversation is sparked by Tracee Ellis Ross’s remarks about preferring younger men due to perceived toxic masculinity among her peers.

• Rory introduces the topic:
  "[11:16] Damaris: No, because..."
  "[11:29] Rory: Gates versus LeBron."

• Stephen A. Smith critiques the notion:
  "[13:35] Rory: Yeah, I'm probably a little bit more progressive than my father is just my generation, period. But it is odd to what Dimitris just said to the generation under me is like more toxic than my dad's generation."

The discussion navigates through the complexities of consent, manipulation, and societal perceptions, emphasizing that toxic masculinity isn't confined to a particular age group but is influenced by various factors including upbringing and cultural exposure.

3. Shannon Sharpe’s Sexual Assault Allegations

The hosts engage in an in-depth analysis of the allegations against former NFL star Shannon Sharpe. They dissect the implications of the accusations, the role of legal representation, and the potential impact on Sharpe’s career and public image.

• Stephen A. Smith outlines the controversy:
  "[46:43] Rory: Which we didn't bring up in tight ends on the other conversation."
  "[47:11] Stephen A. Smith: ...Shannon Sharpe offered $10 million to keep things quiet."

• Rory expresses skepticism:
  "[53:14] Rory: We've had this conversation on the pod plenty of times outside of the Shannon Sharpe situation..."

• Damaris underscores the severity:
  "[69:45] Damaris: Yeah, but to be politically correct and then went put it in her ass."
  "[69:55] Rory: Yes. You should not try to put it in a girl's ass if that was not told to be done already."

The conversation underscores the importance of due process, the challenges faced by accusers in high-profile cases, and the nuanced views on consent and legal ramifications.

4. Bottled Water Critique

Shifting gears, Rory and Stephen A. Smith critique the bottled water industry, expressing disdain for several popular brands and discussing their environmental and quality issues.

• Rory laments the quality standards:
  "[41:28] Rory: Everybody has been, like, flexing for 20 years that New York City has the best tap water. I found out recently that we have been lying about that for two decades."

• Stephen A. Smith shares his preferences and criticisms:
  "[41:41] Stephen A. Smith: Sipping on a propel is. Wow."
  "[42:07] Rory: Liquid death. It's okay if it's cold. I guess I'll take that over most of the, like, the Poland Springs of the world."

The hosts advocate for better water quality standards and highlight the misleading marketing practices of major bottled water companies.

5. K-Pop Podcast Promotions

Interspersed throughout the episode are promotional segments for various podcasts, including Reggaeton Cola Gata and Dub Dynasty. These segments are succinctly integrated into the conversation, providing listeners with information on where to access these shows.

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Notable Quotes

• Rory on Nas’s Beat Selection:
  "I think I solved this rumor." [03:17]

• Stephen A. Smith on Toxic Masculinity:
  "Toxic masculinity doesn't have an age." [13:55]

• Damaris on Legal Protections in BDSM:
  "Please, please, please protect yourself." [65:18]

• Rory on Bottled Water:
  "I found out recently that we have been lying about that for two decades." [43:02]

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Conclusion

In this episode of New Rory & Mal, the hosts navigate through a spectrum of topics ranging from the intricacies of Nas’s music career to the contentious debates surrounding age-gap relationships and high-profile sexual assault allegations. Their candid discussions offer listeners a blend of entertainment, critical analysis, and thought-provoking insights into contemporary issues.

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For more engaging discussions and diverse topics, tune into New Rory & Mal on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or your preferred podcast platform.

Transcript

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[Damaris]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

Artist that you need to have the.

[Rory]

Patience for finding your hand.

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[Damaris]

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[Rory]

The volume.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Remy you I'm all I.

[Rory]

Am Rory and we are starting for the first time the best of the week new Rory and Maul.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Because they need more. Yes, Rory and Maul.

[Rory]

All of our amazing moments. We understand people are busy. If it gets to those weeks on Sundays, you can come right here and get the best of what happened from this entire week, Monday through Sunday.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The best of us. Yes, the best of me.

[Rory]

The best of me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The best of me. Yes, because there's two of us.

[Rory]

Pressure bus pipes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Exactly. Every Sunday. Best of us, best ofs, best of Rory Maul.

[Rory]

Best of us.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The best of us. We're giving you the best of us. Yeah, Mom. Only the best. This is only for the best. For the best.

[Rory]

Peas, drop that beat. Did our Nas worst beat picker and rap make it to our best of. Yeah, that. That clip I saw. There was definitely some. Some back and forth. I even had people texting me about that. And it was. I felt an easy proof. Like, I. I think I. I solved this rumor.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Which one?

[Rory]

That Nas does not pick bad beats. I mean, you guys at Rockefeller concocted this whole conspiracy to try to ruin his legacy and put it out there. And then Vlad says it every five minutes, and now everyone just.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, that's not across the board.

[Rory]

Just goes nonspec.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Bad beats. That's not true. Mac just sat in and said he asked him about that years ago. And Nas himself said he picks bad. Said he picks bad beats on purpose.

[Rory]

He didn't say picks bad beats. He said that he wants the people to listen to what he's saying more than the music. That doesn't mean it's a bad beat. It may not be. You don't know from Just Blaze, but they're not bad beats. They're just maybe not like the crazy beats that you just focus on.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The beat is Eat the baby.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right. Cool.

[Rory]

Awful. That works.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, it worked. It worked. It definitely worked.

[Rory]

But to.

[Stephen A. Smith]

To say that somebody said Ether is a fire beat. All right.

[Rory]

Is ghetto techno.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't even know if that's a real account. I'm not shouting that. What the is work. It's not even a real. Click on that. Click on that. Let's see who the that is. It's not even a real person. Like Ether is a fire beat. No, it's not.

[Damaris]

It's a bot Ether.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's a bot. Whoever said that is definitely a bot.

[Rory]

Anthony, friend of the show, manages Kendrick and Nas bots.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Off of the Nas beats. Me and fire.

[Rory]

Not maybe Anthony. I don't switch the account from Kendrick to Nas to do the bot thing for the day.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't think they're sending. They're sending bots to say Nas beats, but not.

[Rory]

I just think it's unfair because, like, Jay has bad beats sometimes. Every rapper does. They just put it on Nas. And I was actually shocked. A lot of people did agree with me because that's just been the running thing forever.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean, I think that Nas has obviously some, some great beats in his discography. But there's a thing, even when he got with Hit Boy and they did their, their collection, people, the thing was, oh, he's finally getting beats that are gonna be consistently at a certain level.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So it's, it's a thing that people feel like Nas doesn't have the greatest beats for one to be one of the greatest rappers. Obviously people feel like a lot of his songs, some of the beats are just like, ah, that was cool. But compared to other, you know, other greats, other great rappers, people feel like his discography probably has the most beats that are just a little lackluster now. I don't think that every beat Nas has is weak or trash. No. But I do think there are some songs where I'm just like, the performance is what carried this, what he's saying and his rhymes is what carried it. But if you just listen to the music, it's just like, it's cool. It's not incredible music.

[Rory]

30 year career speaks for itself. Who are all these magical rappers that pick great beats over a 30 year career? That's a good point. Yeah, 30 year career that we can say as a flawless beat selection.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean, but it doesn't have to be flawless. Like if you look at somebody like Jay Z, he obviously, you know, is not going in there saying, I'm gonna pick a bad beat and let the rhymes carry the song. You go in there and you find a beat that you feel like embodies or captures what you're saying and can kind of just carry a little bit of the emotions that you're trying to project through your rhymes. But I mean, it is a thing though that people just feel like some of Nas's music is just not up to the level of Nas's rapping ability. That's a real thing. I don't think that that's some false narrative that people created. I think that's a real thing.

[Rory]

Blueprint two, I think had some misses. Volume three.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Is everybody how everybody has missed every.

[Rory]

Art 444 is flawless. But yeah, anyone that has this long.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Of a career, yeah, I mean, you're not going to love every beat from every song. You're not. That's just impossible. You're not going to love every beat. But as somebody who's been listening to Nas for years, that is a real thing. I don't think this is some made up new thing that the Internet or social media just tried to make up and Carry. It was a real thing that, you know, Nas production sometimes is like. I wouldn't have went with that one. But obviously Nas's rhymes is incredible, so it works. But I think overall, you know, a lot of people feel like Nas's music and his has gotten better later on in his career.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm with you. But I still think from 94 to 2002, flawless.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

Send Street's Disciple. It got a little weird that. That one got odd.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay.

[Rory]

I don't know what's going on in the studio that day.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That double disc, that's where it always gets tricky. That was a time when rappers tried to do the double diss shit. It was like, fam. Like, you could have just condensed this to one and just left it alone. That was like the. Every rapper felt like they had to do that to kind of prove themselves. That was like a. Yo, you gotta get your double diss shit off.

[Rory]

And it's like, I get it. Everyone at that point was chasing Pac and Big, and they both have classics. All Eyes on Me, Life After Death, Flawless. No Skip Double albums. That doesn't mean the rest of the.

[Stephen A. Smith]

World has tried, right?

[Rory]

Like, at all. Cuz blueprint 2 could have been close to Blueprint if It was just 10 records.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I say that all the time. Just condensed it to one album.

[Rory]

And then Street Disciple, like, as a N Stan. I like certain records on there, but it. It was not needed for, like, at one point, he's. He just did like the first AI voice when Shorty got AIDS and he was rapping as her, and I thought it was Lil Kim for the first time. And then I realized it was nos pitched up. I was like, you know what, man? I don't know if this album's for me. This one's rough.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And now we're doing biographies about KRS1. When Wikipedia exists, or Rakim, rather. It was. It was a weird time. And then you're taking two singles back to back with Hip Hop Is Dead, using the thief scene beat. Like, I was confused on so much what was going on at that time.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But Hit Boy gave Nas new life. I guess that's a real narrative, though. That's a real thing. People was happy to hear Nas.

[Rory]

I love, love.

[Stephen A. Smith]

People kill me all the time when I say lock in with one producer. But I think that's when you make your best music. He.

[Rory]

He needed to do that, but that's a stretch. Like Hit Boy, of course, legend in his own right, but gave Nas. I don't know about that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nas was. Okay, because when you say new life, it's kind of sound like Nas was dead out here. No, Nas's career wasn't dead, but I do understand he gave him a new kind of frequency. He gave him a new sound and.

[Rory]

I think more of an output because Nas never had an output like that, I think. Okay, I will give this comment some credit then because yes, that gave Nas a new way of putting.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, that's so nice. But I understand it kind of like new life. It's like Nas didn't need new life we talking about because before, like the.

[Rory]

King's disease Life is Good existed, which is close to a classic album. So I don't really know about new life. But anyways, it was cool to see. I've liked our pod for the last few months because I feel like we're back to like just discussing music. Of course we're talking about baddies and. But you know, I like having those nerdy combos.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Why?

[Rory]

I love to have mech on. But I like to see people react to music shit for real. Not Stan beef like the day 26 video comments are all about music.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Rory]

No messy, no puff shit. Like I. I love that we can get engagement this way rather than always having to do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I like this comment right here. Renaissance man underscore the seven says, even if you owe me, it's considered good. Many don't agree. There's still not enough evidence of him doing those type of records to say that, oh, I can do that when I want to. Nah. And I absolutely love Nas. I ran through the KD series, Katie and Magic series. I ran through the KD and Magic series just yesterday. But I ain't buying that last part. The last part being that Nas said he picks bad beats on purpose.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which I don't really think that's exactly what he's trying to say.

[Damaris]

No worrying now.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Damaris. What did you think about Tracee Ellis Ross and what she said about her liking to date younger men because they're Lex. The toxic masculinity of men her age is a little too much. And if I said that, could I get away with it? Isn't it? No.

[Damaris]

No, because.

[Rory]

But she is who you are talking about. Like you're the toxic man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

She was describing me. I'm not toxic. I'm toxic. Let me know. Don't get quiet.

[Rory]

Oh, no.

[Damaris]

What's on the.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Listen.

[Rory]

Gates versus LeBron.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I see up there you think I'm toxic for real.

[Rory]

No, I think you have some old school mentalities of things that you say is from a good place. I know you don't mean it in a mean, malicious way, but people could view it as toxic.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like what?

[Rory]

There's no such thing as a bisexual man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, what else?

[Rory]

45, 47 Trump. What?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Wait, now you lost. You had me on the first one. All right, I was grateful.

[Rory]

I don't want to just list off a thing where now we could, like, invite ourselves to get canceled.

[Stephen A. Smith]

See, I'm trying. I'm trying to talk real. Like you ain't trying to talk real.

[Damaris]

No, I get, I get. I mean, I only saw like a little bit of that clip. I didn't really watch it. But I mean, I guess I get where she's coming from, if that's what she's saying, that the men her age or have a little bit of. More of a toxic masculinity thing. Yeah, I can. I can understand that. But if she goes too young, she's also gonna run into the toxic masculinity thing. She has to stay with the young millennials.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Toxic masculinity doesn't have an age. I would have rather her just say she likes younger guys.

[Damaris]

Toxic masculinity doesn't always have an age. But there are some preconceived beliefs within different generations. Different generations believe certain things. Like, for example, there's a bunch of articles on how Gen Z is more susceptible to the Andrew Tate rhetoric. Because that's because of how they grew up being sheltered, not really going out and seeing the world, being on the Internet, the addiction to porn and all this women hating rhetoric. It's become very prominent in Gen Z men. So there is so no toxic. There isn't just one set of generation that's toxic, but some more than others, some are more susceptible to things more than others due to the media they were exposed to, due to the things that was cool when they were growing up, the belief systems that their parents had, the mute, like the music, the movies, everything. All of that has an effect. So if she's dating people Rory's age in comparison to dating people that might be in their late 20s or early 40s, it's gonna be a little bit different. So I understand what she was saying.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm probably a little bit more progressive than my father is just my generation, period. But it is odd to what Dimitris just said to the generation under me is like more toxic than my dad's generation.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Of course, that's what I'm saying. Toxic masculinity doesn't have an age. Like, it's not. It's. It's how you were raised, where you were raised. Like, to me, that's more. So what?

[Rory]

Yeah. That's not just Definitely zip code.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. Like, it's not. It's not just the age. Like, that's why, again, I would have rather. I felt like. And I. I'm. I love Tracee Ellis Ross. I'm a huge fan of hers. I thought that, you know, her saying because she dates. That's. That's why she dates younger people because of the toxic mess. I'm just like, all right. I would rather her just say, I just like younger guys.

[Damaris]

Well, that also could just be her experience. That could have been the experience she's had.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Your. Your personal experience. But I'm just saying what she said and the reason for her dating younger guys, I thought was just like, that doesn't make any sense, because you can find a young guy that's more toxic than y'all. Say I'm toxic. Way more toxic. These. These little YNs 27, they be talking to chicks. I'm like, yo, they all. Why they talking to each other?

[Damaris]

I don't think that Tracy Ellis Ross is y. She's dating younger men, but she's not dating y. I mean, you don't know that. I don't know that. But I'm. I can assume. We all. We all live on in assumptions here.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I could come in the front row at little TJ's trial.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I could see a D, a little Y in just for the. You know, just for the thrill. Like, I don't know if this little going, you know, rob me or not, but let's just see.

[Damaris]

But I mean, we've all had the. The older men have had the conversation of they like dating younger women. I had that conversation recently with a man that's headed into his 40s, where he likes dating younger women. Not creepily young, but women who haven't been. The older women get, the more we see and the smarter we become. And the more, if you want to say, damaged we become because the fantasy is gone. Right. The younger you are, the more you still hold on to the fantasy of this. This dream man and believe in that dream man. As you come into. You learn more. You come into contact with more men. It's like, oh, I'm chasing a unicorn. And this is more. More than likely not real. So if someone's love bombing me, more than likely this will not last. Like, you don't really believe the things you used to. You use, you lose your naivety. So it's easier to date. Even if you are trying to be a good guy, it's easier to date. I can see why they say it's easier to date younger women because they're more likely to believe you. Even if you are really a good guy, they're more likely to believe you. An older woman is more likely to give you a hard time and make you really have to prove how good of a guy you are.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Because they can't bullshit.

[Damaris]

They seen the bullshit.

[Rory]

Beautiful way to just say young girls are easy to manipulate.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But that was my thing with chasing. When Tracy said what she said, I'm like, oh, she could run laps around these little young dudes.

[Rory]

I would have let her manipulate me in at 21, 22.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Tracy Ellis.

[Rory]

Hell yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay. I'm not mad at that.

[Rory]

She can manipulate me now.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, me too.

[Rory]

I believe anything she says. I believe that all older men are toxic.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I've seen it.

[Rory]

I've met every one of them.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, they're all toxic.

[Rory]

But yeah, if roles are reversed, we couldn't get that off.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hell no.

[Damaris]

Get that off all the time.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No. God. Yo, older guys date younger girls, but they get about it. They ain't even got.

[Rory]

And I kind of think they shouldn't matter.

[Stephen A. Smith]

If you could see an older guy walking a restaurant you at with a younger girl and you and whoever you're at the table, y'all gonna start talking about that.

[Damaris]

No, cut it out. It depends on how. Yo, it depends on how young. If, if I can see that that girl is way too young, then yeah, we're gonna talk. But we automatically 50 year old man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Walks into a restaurant you're at with a 24, 25 year old girl, you're gonna have something to say.

[Damaris]

Yes, because that's real. That's a huge age difference. Yeah, that's a 20 something year age difference. A dude that's seven years older than his girl, nobody's checking for that time.

[Rory]

We're not talking about seven years.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We're not talking like what, Tracy? We're talking about significantly younger than you are.

[Damaris]

Did she say 25 years? Did she say she's dating people? 25?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't know if she put an age on it, but.

[Damaris]

Or did she just say younger?

[Rory]

Nobody says I date younger people. And It'd be a 5. Especially at her age.

[Damaris]

What women do, because women are not used to that. So if a woman is dating a guy even remember I told you I went on a date with a Guy that was three years younger than me, and I'm like, he's like, younger than me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

52 years old. How old do you think the men she.

[Damaris]

I'm sure she's dating men in their early 40s.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right. I'm sure she has two. I'm talking about when she says she dates a younger man.

[Damaris]

I'm sure she's talking about men in their early 40s, maybe late, late 30s. I don't think that she's dating early 30s.

[Stephen A. Smith]

She's definitely talking about 30s, man.

[Rory]

Two year old.

[Damaris]

I don't. I don't think so. But, I mean, that's. If that's what you guys took from that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Even if it's a 35 year old, it's a 17 year difference.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

If Tracee Ellis walked down here right now, her boyfriend was 35 and she's.

[Damaris]

50, people gonna talk about her too. People gonna talk about her quicker than they gonna talk about the man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, but it's a different talk, though. It's a different. And that's my point. It's a different talk when it's a woman with a guy. If I'm talking.

[Damaris]

It's not a difference. Y'all. Y'all niggas dragged Draya to the ends of the fucking earth.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But that. No, but that was different because she was actually around him and his girlfriend since they were in high school. That whole situation was different. That's why they gave Dre a shit about that, because Jalen's ex girl Andrea were actually like, she was mentoring Jayden.

[Damaris]

They didn't. They gave her about. They were like, he's the same age as your son. That's what they would. What they were giving her about.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Okay, valid. That's not a valid giver.

[Damaris]

No, but what I'm saying is, yeah, she still caught. Like. Let's not make it seem like women are able to walk around and do whatever they want. Nobody gives them for it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, no, but that's that situation. You can understand that. No, if you're dating a guy that's.

[Damaris]

The same age, I can understand anything. I can understand all of what they're saying. But what I'm saying is we're not just going to paint it like women can do it and make it, and they don't catch.

[Rory]

We're speaking in general, not specifics. Typically when an older guy is with a younger girl, what is the reason? She wants money, he wants young. If we're talking about typically, what that scenario ends up being. Right.

[Damaris]

More than 15 years.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Sure.

[Rory]

Okay. When it happens, typically with an older woman and a younger man, let's say a 50 year old and a 35 year old, is everyone going to bring up income or they're gonna be like, oh, maybe like each other.

[Damaris]

They usually say that they're taking advantage, that he's trying to take advantage of her for money. If Tracee Ellis Ross is with a 35 year old and he don't happen.

[Rory]

To have no money, I'm just saying in general, we've seen that before where income isn't a thing. We've never seen a broke old man with a young thing. Like it's never happened.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it does happen. Where Just because you don't, you don't see it because you don't care about broke people. So you're not checking for what the I'm doing.

[Rory]

I don't got a dollar to my.

[Damaris]

Neighbor talking about this. And when we're in people's business, they're celebrities, so they have money. You only know their business because they're celebrities that have money. So you're not checking for the business of people who are not celebrities with money. So you can't sit up there and say, well, we don't hear about them. Of course you don't. They're broke. You don't know them. Why would you know them?

[Stephen A. Smith]

No. All right, but Damaris, what we're saying is this. If you, you could be walking outside, the chances of you seeing a younger girl with an older, significantly older man and he's not well off is what? Slim to none.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

Walk down.

[Damaris]

That's my experience. I see it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You won't know where you see it at.

[Damaris]

That's not for me to speak on situations because these are people that I know. But I see it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They.

[Damaris]

With an older, broke man, he's not well off.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They not. With a younger broke. Don't. With an older broke.

[Damaris]

Why y'all think that people don't. People don't date.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not saying broke people don't date. I'm just saying a woman is not seeking out.

[Damaris]

No, she's not seeking out. But women date men who don't have any money. People who don't have any money date. That's what I started with.

[Rory]

Just in general, like, percentage wise. Usually what a stereotype would be. If you walk down Collins in Miami right now, you will run into old men with young women and they're not famous, but you can assume one thing, that they are.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's Miami. That's Miami. Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right. Manhattan rich all right, so where we.

[Rory]

Want me to Little Rock, Arkansas.

[Damaris]

Broke older men with young girls.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But them young girls are him. For that check that he get on the first day. We're not doing that. It ain't much, but it's something. Something. It's something there. It's an incentive. It's an incentive. That old. He tr first of the month come she right at his crib with him, girl, he want me to just cook for him and just, you know, rub his feet. He gonna give me a little 800. That's a lot, you know, to some people. 800 just to over there, kick it. Just to go over there and kick it.

[Rory]

What old man need their feet rubbed?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You want. You. You available?

[Rory]

800 cash.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

I told y'all, Roy, do anything for money.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's. You make something shake. Yo, he. He makes something shake.

[Rory]

For $800, I make him a smoothie.

[Damaris]

That was a terrible, terrible joke.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, my God. Shout out to Tracy Ellis Ross though. It let her get that off.

[Rory]

Hey, I'll be 35 in two weeks.

[Damaris]

And this is why when you say stuff like that, boo, you gotta clarify because she could be talking about a that's seven years younger than her, and they don't put 20, 25 year old men on you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Tracy Ellis Ross aide saying she likes younger guys and saying the dude is 45, not a younger guy.

[Rory]

I think we're being actually nice and saying 35.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like, come on. Yeah, like, it's okay. She. She. She can do whatever the she want. But it's. If the rose was reversed, a guy saying that, it would have been a storm.

[Rory]

And, you know, I believe in double standards, so it's cool. It's just like when Nia Long went on that talk show and they asked her about the J. Cole bar. Like, oh, he's. He's not too young for me. If that was flipped, we see Leo do it, but he's never said it on a talk show. He said that out loud?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, he ain't gonna do that. He ain't gonna say that out loud. No, we know what he doing, but he ain't gonna say that up. Nah.

[Rory]

Leo's sick.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Listen, man, it is what it is.

[Bodie]

Yo, Kiba fans, it's your boy, Bom Han, and I'm bringing you something epic.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Epic.

[Bodie]

Introducing the K Factor, the podcast straight into the heart of K Pop. We're talking music reviews, exclusive interviews, and deep dives into the industry like never before. From producers and choreographers to idols and trainees. We're bringing you the real stories behind the music that you love. And yeah, we're keeping it a hunted, discussing everything from comebacks and concepts to the mental health side of the business. Because K Pop isn't just a genre, it's a whole world and we're exploring every corner of it. And here's the best part. Fans get to call in, drop opinions, and even join us live at events. You never know where we might pop up next. So listen to the K factor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This isn't just a podcast, it's a movement.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Are you ready?

[Bodie]

Let's go. Let's.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.

[Israel Gutierrez]

From the building of the core that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport.

[Rory]

I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.

[Rory]

Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Come revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dove Dynasty.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The Doves Dynasty is still very much alive.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Damaris]

That's the fun part about being an artist that you need to have the.

[Rory]

Patience for finding your pen.

[Lagata]

I'm Lagata, the culture's favorite reggaeton historian and mosicologa. On an episode of my show, the Reggaeton Cola Gata Podcast, I sit down with Bodi Aborigua Regatonera who's demanding her place in a male dominated music industry.

[Damaris]

That's the game. Like who stays and who leaves, you know?

[Lagata]

Listen to Reggaeton Cue la Gata on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow reggaeton colagata and start listening on the free iHeartradio app today.

[Camila Ramon]

I'm Camila Ramon, Peloton's first Spanish speaking cycling and tread instructor. I'm an athlete, entrepreneur and almost most importantly, a Perreo enthusiast.

[Liz Ortiz]

And I'm Liz Ortiz, former pro soccer player and Olympian. And like Kami, a Perreo enthusiast Come on, who is it? Our podcast, Hasta Bajo is where sports, music and fitness collide. And we cover it all, the arriva hasta sit downs with real game changers in the sports world like Miami Dolphins CMO Priscilla Shumate, who is redefining what it means to be a Latina leader.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It all changed when I had this.

[Damaris]

Guy come to me.

[Liz Ortiz]

He said to me, you know, you're not Latina enough.

[Camila Ramon]

First of all, what is that? My mouth is wide open. Yeah. History makers like the Sucar family who became the first Peruvians to win a Grammy.

[Bodie]

It was a very special moment for us. It's been 15 years for me in this career. Finally, things are starting to shift into a different level.

[Camila Ramon]

Listen to Asta ajo on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Rory]

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of.

[Liz Ortiz]

I Heart Women's sports.

[Rory]

Do we have voicemails?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You've got mail.

[J]

Hey, what up, Rory? Ma baby D, what it do? Look, I got a question, right? Because I was having this debate with my friends and they told me this is some sucker shit. So I don't know if this sucker shit or not. Is it sucking for me to pull up on a girl, eat her box, and then get nothing in return?

[Damaris]

Are you the realest alive? Word up.

[J]

I said, that's not sucking. I said, that's cool. Like if that's. If that's all you want from the girl, that's all you want. And they like, nah, yo, like, is you her or something? Like you me? You mean you only want to give a hit? And I'm like, bro, like, maybe I don't. Maybe I just felt like eating box. You feel me? Like, you know what I'm saying? That fun. But they told me that sucker. So I want to know is that sucker or not? That's really all I need, you know what I'm saying? Baltimore signing out.

[Rory]

That kid's having a life now.

[Damaris]

He a real word to me and God. When God rise up from the dead, he really gonna reward him for the real ass he doing and how he contributed in society. We appreciate my brother.

[Rory]

And this is why I believe in double standards, especially when they work in our benefit. It's fine if girls just give you head and that's it, it's done. Yeah, if you just eat some. You just sitting there hard.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's why. Okay, so that's where I was going to go with it, cuz I'm like.

[Rory]

Like now you're just sitting here hard like If I.

[Stephen A. Smith]

If I'm meeting a girl, I'm like, I'm. I'm. I'm turned on. I want to have sex now. So it's like how you do that and just leave?

[Damaris]

Like, maybe he got off. That's what he got off from it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

Nah, that's not.

[Rory]

You saying he nutted while giving a girl head.

[Damaris]

Girls have done it. Y'all don't think men can do it. I've definitely watched. I've. I've heard of situations where men have.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, no, I've definitely.

[Rory]

I've definitely came too quick and then pretended like I was just going back down. Eat the. That's an angel.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Y'all don't know no. That ever did that. I don't want to hear that.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Damaris A came from eu.

[Damaris]

No, not me. I don't even date men. But I'm saying I've. I've. I've heard of situations of it happened. That's all I'm saying.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not. I'm just not rolling with that.

[Damaris]

I think y'all think confusing.

[Rory]

The trick of when you feel like you're about to nut too quick, so you pull out and then you're like, not even ready. Start eating the.

[Damaris]

Just to get your thoughts back together, homie. Clothes was.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nah, man, I can't. Nah. No, I don't believe that. I do not believe that. I'm letting y'all know right now. I don't believe that men are coming in their jeans.

[Damaris]

Me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Your homegirl lied probably.

[Damaris]

I don't know. Maybe.

[Rory]

I do believe that the man that would eat fully clothed probably could not in his jeans.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't believe that eating fully clothed. Lock that up.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The that's able to do that put him in prison. Because that's a small peek into the. That he can do for sure to the society.

[Rory]

And he did it in wrangler jeans.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, but get him out off the streets. Coming in your jeans. Why you eat some like. Come on, fam. Come on, dog. We know you. I love women. I get horny, too, because ain't never been that horny. Come on yourself. Fully clothed.

[Rory]

Let's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Come on, man. I know if you want to eat a girl out and just go home. Cool. I just don't understand it. Because I would be ready to have sex. I would be aroused. I would be ready. Like, I just. I can't see it. For me. I'm not knocking anybody that wants to pull up on a girl and just eat out and go Back home. I mean, your girl, why not stay back home?

[Rory]

It's crazy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, why not stay? Like, finish. I don't. I don't know. Y'all do what y'all want to do, but y'all not gonna sit here and tell me are coming on themselves fully clothed. Not like masturbating while they're eating. I just don't believe that that happened.

[Damaris]

Do y'all think that a girl a.

[Rory]

Rag after you just ate and that's it?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, that is crazy.

[Damaris]

Do y'all think that women have done it? Do y'all think women. Have you ever seen women. Let me guess. You've seen women come from giving head, right?

[Rory]

They come looking at more.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, I. I've never. I've never. Now if she did. I don't know.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

The one thing ma has never seen.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But it's different. But it's different. But it's different when y'all come. Then when men come, you're gonna know when we came, like, it's gonna be a mess everywhere. Like, a woman is like, oh, she just crazy wet when she get up. Like, you're like, oh, damn. Like, so she may have. I don't know. I'm just saying for a man to do it, it's just like. That's just. That's just crazy to me.

[Rory]

Only time I've seen that they either had a vibrator or they were touching themselves while giving head.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You have to be doing something to get there.

[Rory]

And I. If I was eating pussy and corner my beef, yeah, I could probably nut, but just to be chilling fully clothed.

[Damaris]

Well, maybe there was friction.

[Stephen A. Smith]

How much friction?

[Rory]

Nah, he drive up in the bed while he eating her out.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's just. See, and this is where I sound crazy because. But that is absolutely insane to me. How was that even physically possible?

[Rory]

I've never just ate and that was it. But I mean, I probably would probably. Oh, what?

[Damaris]

You've never just eaten and that was it? Never. That's never happened to you? You've never had a moment where you.

[Rory]

Even in long term relationships, you just.

[Damaris]

Ate and kept eating pussy because you couldn't get hard? Are you telling me that never happened to you?

[Rory]

Well, my dick works.

[Damaris]

Okay, all right. I'm just saying. Okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not coming over me. Oh, I don't know what I feel like.

[Damaris]

That's happened to every boy that has ever done drugs or drank too much before. You've been eating pussy and couldn't get hard and you over there doing that awkward jerk thing while you eating pussy. It's happened to every man.

[Rory]

No, no. And then I got there. Or. Or I just fuck with soft dick.

[Damaris]

See, now that's crazy. That's not crazy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He trying to nail jello to the wall.

[Rory]

Cause if that didn't work, maybe if I get inside the pussy, I'll get.

[Damaris]

Hard, keep pushing through a keyhole, and somehow facts. Everybody else weird, crazy, yo.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nah, I just feel like if you in. In that mode of, like, oral sex, there's no way I'm not aroused. There's no way.

[Rory]

I've definitely been, like, too drunk and not been able to get hard, but she's given me head to try to get me hard, and it just didn't work. So I didn't just eat pussy and then put my clothes back on and go home.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, if you do have Ed Roy Rose Sparks right now. Cold Roy.

[Rory]

We have too many sponsors. You. So I'm not gonna say products, but.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You gotta call Shannon. Call Shannon. We can get some Rose Sparks to you. Don't trip, bro. We're gonna take care of you, man. We love you over here at Rory Mall.

[Rory]

If I know I'm out of crazy night. Come on. I'll be chewed up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

There's no yeah, yeah. You got to, man. You got to get that Rose Sparks.

[Rory]

Headache with a gas station.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, yeah. No, no rose sparks. You need the rose sparks. That's the problem. All that other no roast Box row is a go.

[Rory]

Before. Before.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Damaris Row will help you grow. You can't spell grow without ro.

[Rory]

Lacking some baby gravy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, man. Baltimore. I don't know. I'm not gonna say you crazy for eating a girl out and leaving. Yeah.

[Damaris]

He wonder if he's a sucker.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 100. I mean, again, but born every seven seconds.

[Rory]

I would probably. I enjoy eating. I probably wouldn't mind.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. It's okay. You could be a sucker for your girl. It's all right.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's nice. I feel like if you just. If you're with your girlfriend, you just eat her and that's it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, we've all done Sucker for Our lady, man. It's all good. It's all right. That for your labor, not for no rando. You don't do that to no rando.

[Rory]

But then, like, all right, so assuming he made her come and that's what ended it, or did he just stop eating and then she was just like, no.

[Damaris]

It could have been a little, like, quick thing, like, because I've Seen that happen to women.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Doing a mouth buy is crazy. Yeah, Mouth by southwest. Mouth by southwest. He did a mouth bar. He did a mouth this. Doing mouth bars in Baltimore will kill you and do a mouth bar. Eat you out and go kill it and go to the next corner. Stop eating you out to go shoot a in Baltimore. Yeah, y'all. Y'all are crazy down there and be more.

[Damaris]

No, but I've seen that happen to women before where men will pull up and, like, just, you know, just to tease you real quick and leave. Yeah, I've definitely seen that before. That's not as crazy as y'all think that it is.

[Rory]

No, I'm saying I would probably do it. I just haven't done it. Like, I like eating.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. Sometimes you gotta do that a little bit and get out of there. Get in and get out. I'll be back.

[Rory]

Then, like, you just walk into the car hard.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, it's a little awkward.

[Damaris]

I think your mental state has to be doing it, like, as a fun thing, because if you. If you too. If your horny brain get too horny, that's when I think you, like, really around and get, like, brick. But, like, if you doing it just to, like, tease her and play around, I don't think you'll get brick like that. I don't know. I don't have a penis. I'm just assuming. No, you get a break no matter what. The moment you smell. The moment you smell the coochie, you break.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's, like, natural.

[Damaris]

No, no, I'm not making funny.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm with you now.

[Rory]

It's weird to get hard when you.

[Damaris]

No one said it was weird. No one said it was weird.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's the foreplay. I get hard making out. Like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, for real. Like, I don't know why you. Not everybody.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like, you not everybody's like, you.

[Rory]

Don'T got this blood pressure flow through my body.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, man. Do we have another voicemail, please? That was it.

[Rory]

Josh. He has two written down. He said, nah, we're good.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We're good. We're good. Josh. Let it go. Let it go.

[Rory]

This was all over the place.

[Damaris]

Freaked out ass episode.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, man. Listen, it's all good, though, man. It's all good. Oh, man. Just need a second to breathe. All right, DJ Head, let us know.

[Bodie]

Yo, K Pop fans, it's your boy Bom Han, and I'm bringing you something epic. Introducing the K Factor, the podcast that takes you straight into the heart of K Pop. We're talking music for reviews, exclusive interviews, and deep dives into the industry like never before. From producers and choreographers to idols and trainees, we're bringing you the real stories behind the music that you love. And yeah, we're keeping it hunted, discussing everything from comebacks and concepts to the mental health side of the business. Because K Pop isn't just a genre, it's a whole world and we're exploring every corner of it. And here's the best part. Fans get to call in, drop opinions, and even join us live at events. You never know where we might pop up next. So listen to the K factor on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This isn't just a podcast, it's a movement.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Are you ready?

[Bodie]

Let's go. Let's go.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty. The story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions.

[Israel Gutierrez]

From the building of the corps that included Klay Thompson and Draymond Green to one of the boldest coaching decisions in the history of the sport.

[Rory]

I just felt like the biggest thing was to earn the trust of the players and let the players know that we were here to try to help them take the next step, not tear anything down.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Today, the warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to.

[Rory]

Love for what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on that like Mount Rushmore for guys that have changed it.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Come revisit this magical warriors ride. This is Dub Dynasty.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The Dubs dynasty is still very much alive.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Damaris]

That's the fun part about being an artist that you need to have the.

[Rory]

Patience for finding your pen.

[Lagata]

I'm Lagata, the culture's favorite reggaeton historian and musicologa. On an episode of my show, the Regato Colagata podcast, I sit down with Bodie A Bori who's demanding her place in the male dominated music industry.

[Damaris]

That's the game, like who stays and.

[Lagata]

Who leaves, you know, Listen to reggaeton Cuela gata on America's number one podcast network iHeart. Follow reggaeto colagata and start listening on the free iHeartradio app. Today.

[Camila Ramon]

I'm Camila Ramon, Peloton's first Spanish speaking cycling and tread instructor. I'm an athlete, entrepreneur and almost most importantly, a perreo enthusiast.

[Liz Ortiz]

And I'm Liz Ortiz, former pro soccer player and Olympian. And like Kamiyah, a Pereo enthusiast. Come on. Who is it? Our podcast hastavajo is where sports, music and fitness collide and we cover it all. The Arriva Asta sit downs with real game changers in the sports world, like Miami Dolphins CMO Priscilla Shumate, who is redefining what it means to be a Latina leader.

[Rory]

It all changed when I had this.

[Damaris]

Guy come to me.

[Liz Ortiz]

He said to me, you know, you're not Latina enough.

[Camila Ramon]

First of all, what is that? My mouth is wide open. Yeah. History makers like the Sucar family who became the first Peruvians to win a Grammy.

[Bodie]

It was a very special moment for us. It's been 15 years for me in this career. Finally, things are starting to shift into a different level.

[Camila Ramon]

Listen to Hasta ajo on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rory]

Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports. You said what? 68 of of bottled water is tap water.

[Stephen A. Smith]

65 or 68 of bottled water is actually just tap water.

[Rory]

I feel like that's low. I feel like 90. It's a lot of water. It's all market and plastic.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Good bottle. Good glass. Like a good glass bottle with a tint on it.

[Rory]

I haven't really seen many like water ads on podcasts, so I feel like we're not ruining advertisers here. What's. What's your top five worst waters of all time? Dasani. Number one. I think that's across the board.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We need number one.

[Damaris]

Aquafina.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Aquafina is number two.

[Rory]

I think Evian could be a number two.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No.

[Rory]

If you don't get Evian in that glass bottle that only the monster does. Any water and glass is awful.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Any water in a glass bottle cold. You can get me to go in a white van and kidnap me.

[Rory]

Yeah, for sure.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's.

[Rory]

We have candy in here. No.

[Stephen A. Smith]

100.

[Rory]

The coldness tastes. Takes away.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm good. I'm sold.

[Rory]

Evian in a plastic bottle I think is number two. I actually think it could rival Dasani for how bad Evian water is.

[Damaris]

Nah, Propel.

[Rory]

I don't even know if propel. I don't know if my streets have taken me there.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Sipping on a propel is. Wow.

[Rory]

What is the propel logo?

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's just like a pushing p. I don't know.

[Rory]

It's a Phillies logo.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't know what it is.

[Damaris]

Crystal Geyser. Nasty.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. Crystal guys is crazy. Crystal guys, is so whack. The label don't even stay on until you get home. The label fall right off in the bag from the supermarket the moment you purchase it. Yeah, I don't even look how bad water this is.

[Rory]

Liquid death. It's okay if it's cold. I guess I'll take that over most of, like, the Poland Springs of the world.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Poland Spring is only great because it's $1 and you could just get the out the store.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Poland Spring is the most accessible water.

[Damaris]

Poland Spring is good as shit.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It. I don't know about that. Like, when you put that on there.

[Damaris]

Okay. I really enjoy Poland Spring water.

[Rory]

I'll buy Poland Spring all day. But if you go through, leave everything at warm temperature. If it goes against, like, Deer Park. What was the one you just said?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Arrowhead.

[Rory]

Arrowhead. Every. Every of one of its peers and competitors. Poland Spring is light years above that room temperature.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Arrowhead water is the water that I think they take each night at the end of the carnival. Whoever didn't buy the goldfish, they take that water and put it the sports.

[Rory]

That's the sportsmanship award at camp.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They take that water if whoever didn't buy that goldfish, they take that water and put it in the arrowhead bottle.

[Rory]

So, you know, we've all been, like, flexing for 20 years that new York City has the best tap water. I found out recently that we have been.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's a lie.

[Rory]

We have been lying about that for two decades.

[Damaris]

Y'all water is terrible.

[Rory]

That used to be, like, a thing like, yeah, we have the best water.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Who has better water than New York City?

[Rory]

We're like. We're like, in the hundreds. Really? I thought we were number one my entire life up until two weeks ago.

[Damaris]

When y'all used to say that. I used to, like, because up in Syracuse, we have a spring near us, like, over in Skinny.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But we get it from the Hudson up there. That's why we thought it was the best.

[Damaris]

That is trash. I think it's y'all. I don't know.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Alabama got better water than us. I'm not jacking it. I'm not jacking. Alabama has better tap water.

[Damaris]

I'm checking. Jacking.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No way.

[Damaris]

I feel like it's your pipes. I feel like y'all pipes is just mold.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No way. That. But that builds character. You need the. You need the minerals from the pipe.

[Rory]

No, that's what, like, fights the diseases and.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. You need the mineral from the pipe. Absolutely.

[Rory]

Yo, my whole life. My whole life I thought New York City had the best tap water of all time. That was, like, a stat people would bring up.

[Damaris]

That is disgusting.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Y'all are crazy. New York tap water is great.

[Damaris]

Terrible. It's terrible.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No way.

[Damaris]

It's terrible.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Jersey tap water.

[Rory]

Jersey got octane in it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. Drinking Jersey tap water, you might as well go to the. The. To the quick. Quick. Check in 93. Put 20 on 93. Just put the nozzle in your mouth.

[Rory]

That burn? Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Jersey tap water is crazy.

[Rory]

Like, the first time I took ever. Clear shot.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes.

[Rory]

Jersey tap water.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Jersey tap water. Tastes like a dry cleaners. Anyway, we're back.

[Rory]

No, honestly, the first time, when I got to St. Peter's my freshman year, I started breaking out, like, way more. Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That water was, like, bad, bad.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Sorry. It built character. It made you the man you are today.

[Rory]

Nah, it didn't. It didn't change anything. It just made my skin up. It didn't. I'm not a better person because of it. It wasn't a trial and tribulation.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You're a man's man because of the Jersey tap water. It's all good.

[Rory]

Anyways, where were we supposed to start here today? Do we get right. Right into it? It.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Let's get right into the shits, man.

[Rory]

Our label made, slash maybe not label made, because I don't know anyone's negotiation.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You'll be out of a job soon.

[Rory]

Don't. Hi.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, see, that's why we'll be out of one. That's why I don't rock with y'all. Because when I be ready to go there, y'all leave me.

[Rory]

Let's go, then.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Why y'all.

[Rory]

Let's close your ears. I'm. Nah, I'm with you. All right. I don't think it's gonna affect him the way you think it is, though.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, listen, all jokes aside, so we talked about Shannon Sharp, our. I don't know if he's any more of our label mate, but a guy that we respect our murder into, our Rough Riders. No, we appreciate what Shannon has done in the space. Me as somebody who grew up watching Shannon Sharp play football and.

[Rory]

Which we didn't bring up in tight ends on the other conversation.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Which was offensive. I apologize, Shannon.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, apologies, Shannon. We didn't bring you up in the conversation we had earlier, but nonetheless, Shannon Sharp, hall of Fame tight end. I'm old enough to remember Shannon Sharp as a player when he first came to the league. Well, maybe not when he first came in, but while he was in his earlier playing days.

[Rory]

First video game I had was game where the Denver Broncos were the best.

[Stephen A. Smith]

There you go.

[Rory]

Terrell Davis.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And I remember when it was circle.

[Rory]

Circle, circle, circle, circle.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Shannon Shaw was the butt of jokes when it came to his speech, being able to talk. He had, you know, it was kind of, you know, heavy, heavy thick country accent. Wasn't the most articulate person. And to see where he is now in his career, being one of the biggest voices, biggest figures in media, you know, it's just a testament to the work that Shannon Sharp has put in and after his career and playing in the NFL and, you know, the things that he's doing in this space, which is tremendous work, amazing work, we support him, we salute him. But he's obviously coming to a point in his career where things are a little not so proud. It's not a proud moment for Shannon. Right now. He's facing allegations of sexual assault. The clown lawyer. I still think he's a clown lawyer. I don't give a fuck. Tony Busby is representing a woman who says that Shannon Sharp sexually assaulted her. So text messages have been released, audio recordings have been released.

[Rory]

Pretty articulate.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. You know, choke shit out to you. I knew what he said then. It was very articulate when he said that. But what does this mean for Shannon Sharp? Obviously, this is a stain on his jacket. This is something that we didn't expect to hear come out about Shannon Shop. And he's been, let's be very clear, he's been very adamant that this is 1, 1000% a shakedown, that there is nothing here. He didn't, you know, he's not in no violation. No. He didn't violate any woman. That's not who he is. You know, he's been. He's been very vocal and very adamant. Not running from that. But Shannon, you know, when you. It comes out again, and I don't know if this is true or not, is alleged that Shannon Sharpe offered $10 million. And to me, when you offer that type of money so that things are kind of quiet and don't come out and don't hit the. Hit the, you know, social media, don't hit the net that says that you are trying to cover something up. You are trying to prevent something. If you're innocent, you know, I don't care what comes out. They try to shake you down. We don't offer no money. Obviously, Jay Z just went through that with the same lawyer. He didn't offer any money. Case got dismissed, thrown out. I believe that there's legal action being taken against the same lawyer, Tony Busby, now as a result of that. So. Yeah. So what does this mean for Shannon Sharpe? Is it gonna affect his career? I don't know. I don't know if what is being alleged is true. It's still very early. More details will come out. Shannon has been very vocal. He is not running from it. He's not hiding from. Said he's willing to put out a sex tape if he had it. He told them. He told the, you know, Tony Busby and the, you know, alleged victim to put out the sex tape. You know, like show what it is that you want to show. So he's not hiding from it. He's not running from it. I don't know what that means for Shannon. I do know that as a resulting for.

[Rory]

All right, I'm sorry to interrupt you. You're giving a great breakdown of what's going on, but you really are. I just. Who is guiding Shannon Sharpe right now?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nobody. He is. He's gotten himself. All right.

[Rory]

The $10 million initially was like. That feels weird because. Which we've said a million times. If somebody's accusing me of anything and I didn't do that, I'll get on the stand. I'm refusing like no matter what. I would do anything to prove that. But I also don't know what it's like to be in $100 million negotiation. And if $10 million out of that 100 million could get this thing, that could compromise this 100 million the fuck out of here. Maybe I'd sacrifice 10 million. So I get that part. Part. But Shannon, with this sex tape shit, I'm still on the side that this looks weird. Mainly based off the lawyer, which I guess is a little fucked up. But I'm just going off evidence. You saying I'll leak a consensual sex tape does not prove the innocence of some non consensual. Just because y'all once consensually doesn't mean that there could have been a time that way. So even though I feel Shannon on everything that he's doing, attack it head on. I get it. Let's get. Let's get to the shits. Who would ever advise you to say some dumb like that?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

This girl is how old?

[Damaris]

21, if I'm not mistaken. Now they met when she was 19.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They met when she was 19. Let's say safe assumption they had sex when she was 19. Shannon Sharper is 54.

[Rory]

6.

[Stephen A. Smith]

54, I believe maybe somewhere around there. 54 55, Shannon. This is not a woman that you should be involved with in any 56 years old. This is not a woman that you should be involved with at all. Let's just put that out there. You're just in a way, a whole different league, way too grown for a 19 year old. What does a 50. 54. When you met her, I guess. What does a 54 year old and a 19 year old even talk about?

[Rory]

Big black babies.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's just, you know, you started off, you know, behind the eight ball. You should have had no dealings with this young lady at all. So I'll start there and you know, that's. To me, that's just enough of it. It's like, how does Shannon Sharpe even get to a point where he's having a sexual relationship with a 19 year old girl?

[Rory]

We've had this conversation on the pod plenty of times outside of the Shannon Sharpe situation of, of from our Patreon episodes of just having this, this wild age gap thing. But let's not act like that's not a regular thing in the United States, like in the world, period. This is regular. I don't really care about Shannon Sharp's like moral compass as a human being because I don't know him or care too much. If you want to do that. I think it's weird, but I'm more concerned on what the actual case would be. If it's consensual with a 19 year old in 56. I think it's weird as fuck. But it's well past any legal thing that we could even bring up. Even like the people of the the wack one hundreds that find every state that has a 16 year old legal shit, which I find odd. That girl was 19 years old. He's 56 years old. I think it's odd and gross and I could never even imagine any of my relatives, male to female, that would ever do some weirdo shit like that. But that's not my business. I can just think you're odd. Now, legally, where does that leave it? That's more of my thing. Who needs to mentor Shannon Sharpe? He's 56 years old. Both you and I are younger than him. Of course he knows it's odd. We don't need to tell him it's weird. He felt weird doing it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You think so?

[Damaris]

I don't think he felt weird.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't think he felt weird doing it. Yes.

[Damaris]

I don't think he felt weird.

[Rory]

I know when he got out of.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It, like you said, he got out.

[Rory]

Of his horny mind state of allowing that girl to say those certain things. Things. Because, you know, like you said, there was responses back that weren't in that, that paperwork. I'm sure once he nutted, he felt odd. I'm sure he has three kids that some I think are older than that girl. Years. I'm sure he fell out.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's been two years though.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That they've had, they've had a relationship.

[Rory]

Yeah. Listen, I've been beaten off for 15 years. Sometimes I feel weird after. I'm sure he has a, a clear conscious. Sometimes it goes, what the. Am I? Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I just don't. I, I just don't think that, you know, it's. He has children that are, are much older than her.

[Rory]

You don't think he looks at his kids and then looks at his phone on certain holidays and goes, what the fuck am I doing?

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's again, so we don't need to sit here.

[Rory]

And Monique already tore his ass up on his own show and told him what to do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I don't know if we need to sit here and do that with Shannon.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not, I'm not here. I'm not. I'm just, I'm just putting out what it is dealing with a woman that young.

[Rory]

Gross.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You're three times her age. What did, what, where did you think this was gonna end?

[Damaris]

That's my thing. I don't give a fuck who you fuck. You want to be weird. You want to be weird, but I'm not gonna have empathy for you because this is what happens.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

This is what happens. You with a teenage only fans model. This is what happens.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Guilty or not guilty, this is what your dumb ass gotta deal with. That's stupid. As I agree.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I think that it was just a lapse of judgment for somebody who, you know, for the most part, I think is pretty intelligent, pretty classy guy. I don't, I don't see Shannon as not being a classy guy. But I think this, you know, obviously when the cameras shut off and people go home and they have their personal lives, I think people are into some things that are just a little inappropriate and there's doing inappropriate things sometimes. This is where it leads you. It leads you to these types of situations and these types of circumstances where you now have to face the public and talk about, you know, your, your personal business in the bedroom and behind your own closed doors. Because again, the relationship was inappropriate to start with. So now we're here and, and Shannon Sharp is facing a lot of heat. I don't know what that means for him professionally and his career as a media personality for his businesses and his platforms that he has grown. He is in the middle of a huge negotiation right now with a media company. I don't know what that means for any of that. My guess is it is affecting it.

[Rory]

It's affecting it. But I think it'll be okay. I really do think we'll see. Granted on the side of last episode. I'm not here to say anyone's innocent or guilty. I want to see just do through everything. If he did that, put him under the prison. But I don't. I feel like a lot of this. Can we speak candidly? I feel like in the last few years a lot of these accusations have really came in and went and has. Has not affected people the way it used to. I'm not saying what's fair, what's not. I'm just speaking real on what I've observed. These accusations don't do what they used to do. No, they don't. And. And I think in some cases.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But why do you think that?

[Rory]

Some. Some cases I think it's really up. Like, I don't even want to put on like a. Because she's 19. Only fans model like that. I'm sure that happens to those girls often. But the smear campaign will be, hey, they're an only fans motto. So of course she wanted it or like anything like that. Yeah, it's an easy smear campaign, which is. Is fucked up and unfair and untrue. True. But to your point, there's also the side of what do you think that girl wanted? And when she didn't get it, she found Tony Busby. Like, both of these things are true. And I think the court of public opinion can never decide that. And I don't think the court of public opinion cares that much to even sit through this whole trial. Yeah, we're here for. For headlines and that's it. And then we'll go back to our lives. And then if Shannon Sharp says something that's controversial or intriguing or has another good interview you, everyone's gonna go, all right, well, I'm back with Shannon. What even happened with that case? That's how this goes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like, I don't know.

[Rory]

It's gonna affect his money for sure. Because no matter what, when Scandals happens, we know that any corporation is going to use that against any creator. But I don't know if it's really gonna affect his bottom line to his career as a media personality.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I Mean, I would hope not. But again, we don't know. We don't know the details of everything that is happening. We don't know what the lawyers are ready to present. And again, we weren't in, you know, Shannon Sharpe's bedroom. We don't know.

[Rory]

Nor do I want to be.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nor do I want to be. But, you know, here we are, you know, as all being a part of media, and this obviously came across the desk, and we have to talk about it, because, again, this is Shannon Sharpe, one of the biggest figures that we have. So.

[Damaris]

And if this girl is telling the truth, because I'm not. Not just automatically doubting that she is. If she is telling the truth, I'm so upset that she got the lawyer that she got, because that was your biggest mistake that you could have done.

[Rory]

Okay, again, also, I'll put. Let's take this situation out. That's also where it gets up. Because if this girl has no resources, no nothing, even though, I mean, Shannon Sharp was sending her, what, 50, like.

[Damaris]

Wow, 25, 000 a cheap crazy.

[Rory]

Yeah. Listen, Brandy, I'm sorry. I should. We should have given you more money for a lawyer. She got bread for Busby. There's a lot of girls that don't have resources when some shit happens like that, and they'll find the fucking bullshit ambulance chaser that says, yo, I've represented this group of people against this case, and women that have no experience in that world will be like, okay, okay, Antonio. If that's even your real name. Yeah, I'm still on that. I'm sorry, I'm repeating myself. Busby is not his last name. Ain't no fucking way. I know who sent him.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I mean, as. As much as I'm on that side, like, everything in me is saying, you got Tony Busby. You're. This is some. Some shakedown nonsense. But I also don't want to put it to girls that don't have resources. And there are only ambulance chasers that will listen to them. Tony Busby being a ambulance chaser. Remember that first press release with the whole. Everyone on Twitter? Oh, look at Tony Busby's resume. He's the most tried lawyer in all of federal history and won the most cases, though he photoshopped that. That was not true. This. He has no experience. He's an ambulance chaser. But to some women, that's the only lawyer that will speak to them. So you can't really put it on people that don't have any experience, myself included. When it comes to, like, legality and law. Like, I thank God for Brandi because she's taught me so much in the music business with lawyer shit that I would never know if I didn't have her. Thank God. Brandy's an amazing person and not Tony Busby, but, yeah, sometimes that's the only lawyer that will listen to you.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Especially with stuff like this, where a lawyer often won't take on cases like this because there's no evidence. Like, when it comes to freaky fucking.

[Rory]

I want to make that very clear. This is a separate comment.

[Damaris]

When it comes to freaky shit, it's very hard to prove that you didn't. It's very hard to prove consent in someone else's bedroom when you weren't there. Unless it is on camera or unless there is, like, physical damage from the assault. Like, it's tough. So a lot of. And then you're going against somebody who has money. A lot of lawyers won't take that. Won't take that on.

[Rory]

Did you guys ever watch the Breakfast Club interview with Stephen A. Smith? I'm actually shocked this clip has not, like, made its rounds on the Internet. I hope our listeners in Reddit and Twitter community find this. I think Charlamagne was the one that asked Stephen A. Smith about having women sent to him, because Stephen A. Is very vocal that he's single and, like, he's just focused on his work. He can't get me in a scandal. I'm not tied to nobody. I'm not cheating on nobody. I do what I do when I'm not working. And that's put him in situations where he's felt women have been sent to him from certain people with certain agendas to get him jammed up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Up.

[Rory]

In no way am I saying this is the case right now. Just bringing up that thought because they're both in media, and Stephen A. We've known, have gone through countless negotiations. We saw him get a deal that he got fucked over, and he was making, like, $8 million on ESPN seven days a week. Finally got his worth. But before that, he was like, nah, I peeped when they were sending women to me. I could tell that this. This wasn't that somebody sent you to fuck me over.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Over this.

[Rory]

Feels like you're about to yell rape in the hotel room.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean, I'm just always on the side of your moral compass. And having discernment will save you from a lot of.

[Damaris]

And having discernment more than anything.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah. And it's just, you know, and discipline. And discipline.

[Rory]

Even if you have these horny thoughts, but to, like, control them.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But this is. This is why. This is why it's. This is so confusing to me because you look at somebody like Shannon Sharp, who is, you know, has accomplished things athletically that not many people will ever accomplish. That takes a certain level of, you know, discipline, keep your body in shape, you know, play at a high level for so many years. You know, hall of Famer. And then, like I said, when you first came into the league, you had, if you want to call it a speech impediment. He wasn't the greatest, most articulate person when he first came in, but dedicated himself to learning how to speak and learning how to articulate. And now he's one of the biggest figures in media. So clearly he's a guy that has discipline and is able to focus, right? Is able to focus and able to execute and was able to afford himself a great lifestyle through his dedication to his craft and to his work. How do you have such a lapse in judgment when it comes to sexually, romantically? That's the part that I'm. Because that's not, you know, if somebody is a very clean cut, very sharp, you see them at work, desk area, everything is clean. And you go to their crib and they're a fucking hoarder. You're gonna be like, this doesn't check out. This is not the person I know.

[Rory]

Okay? I vividly remember this conversation. The year was 2010. I was at Def Jam, and I'm aware that, you know, know Club Shay. Shay is based off cognac and he has other vices, but an exec that was like, not shot money. Another one that I'm not going to name that was kind of mentoring me, was speaking about another executive that was super clean cut, super disciplined, super everything. And we were smoking in the office and that executive walked by and he said, I think he has some weird sexual deviant shit. Everyone on earth has to have a vice. If you're this disciplined in something, there has to be a place that you get this off somewhere. And if you don't go out, you don't do any type of drug, any type of alcohol, that's cool. You're not even gluttony like you. You're ordering salads even on days that we order and just like pizza. And he gotta have something. It's gotta be some. Everyone has a vice. Everyone has to get that out in some type of way. So I. Yeah, it's a stereotype of the way I view a lot of.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like white is his vice. Yeah, okay. Okay, that's what's up. I mean, what you want me to.

[Rory]

But you don't think someone like, all right, you've seen like American Psycho. Yeah, I mean, of course, that's the extreme version of that, but I, I, and I'm not calling Shannon Sharp anything close to. I want to make that very clear.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Peach, please don't listen that way or you don't know.

[Rory]

Of course. But a lot of the cleanest cut people are the most deviant human beings. They don't get their out with just smoking weed, right? They don't just have grab a glass of wine after work or, or eat a pizza after work. They find they get they off. And it's in a very calculated, disciplined, and nasty way.

[Stephen A. Smith]

American Psycho, I mean, you know, he.

[Rory]

Was ironing the body bags that he was putting the in. Like that translates over the man's man now. He might have been the first metrosexual.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Either way, man, you know, I hope, I hope that these are just allegations against Shannon Sharp. And if they're not them. Oh, yeah, on that. That's number anybody that sexually assaults, sexually abuses anybody, and if she lying her. Oh, she's lying. Absolutely her.

[Damaris]

And for people who are into BDSM or if you're planning on trying BDSM with a partner, this may seem extreme now, but, but write some shit out. Get some shit in writing. Get safe words out in writing. Get all of this down so that can't nobody jam you up. If you're doing brat fetishes or things where someone's in control of you or you're in control of somebody, you don't want somebody coming back and saying, oh, you forced yourself on me when you thought that that was the type of play that y'all were into sexually. There are articles you can read about how to handle that stuff legally. But please, please, please protect yourself. Like, I'm all for being freaked out. Y'all know I rarely kink shame. But you gotta be fuck. Because if you, you gotta know when somebody is antagonizing you or when somebody really wants you to force themselves on you. Like you have to. You gotta know all of that stuff. Like, all of that is very important. So being freaked out is cool. I'm all with being freaked out. But please, please set some boundaries. And if you don't, if you don't know that person like that, get that shit in writing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Let me tell you.

[Rory]

Especially if you make part of the role play a mediator with a contract yeah, yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, let me tell you something. If me and Rory sit down and they start throwing a hundred million dollars across the table, I'm going to be. It's going to be casting couch on my phone for every girl I interact with. Give us your name, your age.

[Damaris]

No, for real back.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We getting all that on video. I'm not 100 million. I'm not up that bag for no. Ain't no that good in the world. Shannon is tripping if he did that. 19.

[Damaris]

What?

[Stephen A. Smith]

What are you doing? How did y'all meet?

[Rory]

Do know right where you think he met?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Tell me, where do you meet this Internet? Shannon Sharp? Ain't supposed to be meeting no women on the Internet.

[Rory]

Where are you gonna meet him?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Shannon Sharp is 57 years old because.

[Rory]

We'Ve seen how that girl that's gonna.

[Damaris]

Let you choke her and. And say, put this big black baby in me. Where are you gonna meet that Shannon?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Shop is worth a. You think that Shannon Sharp can't meet a grown woman that will let him freak. Freak. Freak them out.

[Damaris]

Grown woman. The clip just happened with Monique where Monique says, you need to leave them young girls alone. He like, why Monique?

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's what I'm saying. He. He's tripping. But young girls, cool. I'm not talking about as young as this girl, though. 19. If she was 28, 29. All right. You know what I mean? Like, get your off. 19. Come on, fam. She's one year removed from high school. You bugging the.

[Rory]

That's not even the freaks you want.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You bugging the out.

[Damaris]

She ain't even been freaking out.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, you're like.

[Rory]

You're not even been around long enough to be freaky.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, I got sneakers older than that. I got the original. Yeah, like, my. My lime green air mattress is older than her. Like, what are we talking about? Like, you really met this girl?

[Damaris]

She's 21 now, but they're saying that he met her when she.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Man, 21 is still too young. I got hats. 21 years old. Like, what are we talking about here, man? Like, Shannon Sharp is. He's the out of. He's all the way out of pocket with this. This is crazy. And not saying you can't date younger girls, but 19, 20, 21. You playing yourself. You absolutely playing yourself doing that at 54 years old.

[Damaris]

It's bad bitches. That's 30 and freaky. You. I don't understand. Bad bitches. That's 30. Bernice Virgos in her 40s. I just.

[Rory]

Bernice is 45 with grandkids what are.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We talking about here?

[Rory]

We don't know if like. Like she's a freak.

[Damaris]

I mean, but just beauty going up and looking good and 50 y old.

[Rory]

I just said Tracy Ellis Ross at this time for. For a younger man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nia Long. Is she still available?

[Rory]

Like, none of you make a great couple.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Who?

[Rory]

You and Neil?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Me and Nia?

[Rory]

Yeah, set it up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Rory, the don't just say it.

[Rory]

Oh, let me just text her. Cuz me and Nia Long text all the time.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm just saying like. Yeah, but like, we didn't say. If I'm saying an asshole line, I'm blowing up. That would have been the only thing that came out of me. They're like, yo, this been in the alone. DMs going crazy with some 19 year old and said, I'ma choke you. Like, that ain't gonna never happen. Shannon Sharp is bugging for this. I'm sorry, I. With Shannon.

[Damaris]

The alleged rape, if I'm not mistaken, Josh, correct me if I'm wrong, is that they were having penis to vagina.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He put it in.

[Damaris]

He put it in her ass even though she put it in her butt. Hey, people, if you want that.

[Rory]

You went penis to vag to be politically correct and then went put it in her ass.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but to two beeps. Hey, for. For young men that are coming up out here, because there are some young men that listen to our podcast, and I think it's very important for them to be informed. That is rape. That is rape.

[Rory]

Yes. You should not try to put it in a girl's ass if that was not told to be done already.

[Damaris]

That is rape, period. No matter if you are having penis to vagina sex, that is rape. The moment she says no sex, that is rape. Can y'all not laugh? We're being.

[Rory]

I'm laughing because you did it in the political way that I was happy you were doing. And he was like, yeah, I just put it in a butt.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Take the penis and enter the rectum. Like, you didn't even go that route. He was like, yeah, just don't put in her ass. Yeah, no, no. I agree though. You should not.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Can I. Can we. Can we keep it real? Can we keep it real for like, just the last, like 30 seconds of this? Let's keep it real Fridays. Shannon did that. Oh, my God. Shannon did that. Man. He. He got a little too. I mean, he went a little too far. Yeah, they was having wild sex. You know what I'm Saying. And he probably was like.

[Rory]

His thumb was in there.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, he probably was like. He thought she wanted it. You know what I mean? And you know, he heard her, you know what I'm saying? She. Two days later, she was still. So she's like, nah, this gotta pay for this. I. I believe that Shannon just went a little too far. I believe, I believe he actually did put it in her butt. She did. She didn't want it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if I'm not gonna say he held it down and made her take it. He probably just tried to get it in there real quick. And she probably was like, nah, you.

[Rory]

If her text message is. Is correct. I mean, because clearly in tech she doesn't hold anything back. If she said no when he tried to put in her butt, like, then you just go back to the vagina. Oh, she also in consensual sex. And if she not with it, you just go back to the vagina. You don't keep going.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Horses don't stop. They keep going.

[Rory]

Cut that what she said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I played with the Broncos.

[Damaris]

I beg you to get it. But also, if you have sex with somebody without putting a condom on, they telling you to put a condom on, you don't put a condom on. Also rape that. I want every form of it to be.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm with you.

[Damaris]

That's awesome.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, I agree.

[Damaris]

Great. So she said I begged you to put a condom on and not put it in my ass and you didn't listen. I don't care about. Yeah, but also, also, but all right.

[Rory]

I. I hear you. And this is why sexting is a problem.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because if you ever sexed with somebody and they not that person. Person. So if you telling me to put a big black baby in me and then I show up with no condom, you could not victim blaming. Because at no point does that mean I'm entitled to you without a condom. I'm just saying you may confuse people when they show up. See, I'm gonna get. All right, never mind. I can see Molly smile. All I'm saying, I think sexting should stop because I think people just begin.

[Stephen A. Smith]

To never stop if it's.

[Rory]

If it's somebody you've been fucking. Yeah, yeah. Cuz we could.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And if it's somebody.

[Damaris]

He been her. He been her.

[Rory]

All right, well, let's be truthful in our sex thing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All I know is when, whenever a girl texts you. I don't know how to process this. You in trouble. Whenever a Girl say, I don't know how to process this. It's like, oh, she ready to find somebody to help her process it.

[Rory]

What's funny is that stress for me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Process due process. Due to our due process. Mr. Shannon Sharp, we are calling you to the Supreme Court.

[Rory]

I actually just felt blessed because I felt that nervous shit when you just said, I need to process this when I didn't take the chicken out of the freezer, man, to me, that terrified me. I can only imagine with, did I accidentally put it in your butt?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, my God. That's what, that's what Shannon should have did. He should have wrapped it up. Josh is doing this little thing he likes to do. Shannon, you should have wrapped it up.

[Rory]

How do we, how do we.

[Damaris]

Poor Leon.

[Rory]

How do we transition into our guest that is about to be here? Well, should it be a cold cut? Like, how do we get the energy into.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I mean.

[Rory]

Well, this was wild.

[Stephen A. Smith]

The good thing about our guest that's coming on is he.

[Rory]

I'm being stared at.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He is a, he's a great, great talent, Great, great singer, great songwriter and he's coming by to have a great conversation with us so we can get right into that and have some fun. But again, Shannon, prayers to you. Prayers to the alleged victim. Hopefully, you know, everybody is on the right side of history here and everybody's, you know, they will come in court and due process, like Damaris said, we will figure out more about what happened and what didn't happen. So, you know, hate to see Shannon go through this. But discernment, discipline, moral. More morals, moral compass. Where does that lie?

[Damaris]

Sex contracts.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Sex contracts. If you, that, you know, somebody as famous and as a bigger figure as Shannon Sharpe is, that might be a necessity. You might have to start doing that as well. Anything to protect yourself and to keep you away from things like this.

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