Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/2

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/2

Release Date: June 9, 2025
Hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Introduction

In the "Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/2," hosts Rory and Mal dive deep into a variety of engaging and often controversial topics, blending humor with insightful discussions. This episode stands out as a compilation of the week's most riveting conversations, featuring debates on conspiracy theories, hot takes on the music industry, and reflections on cultural phenomena. Below is a detailed summary capturing the essence of their discussions, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for reference.

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1. Flat Earth Debate

Timestamp: 02:44 – 20:17

Overview:
Rory, Mal, and guest Lord Jamar engage in a spirited debate about the flat Earth theory. The conversation explores the origins of the theory, its proponents, and the scientific rebuttals against it. The hosts balance skepticism with humor, dissecting the motivations behind conspiracy theories and their impact on public perception.

Key Points:

• Origins and Motivations:
  The discussion begins with Lord Jamar expressing frustration over flat Earth claims, questioning the relevance and evidence presented by flat Earth proponents.

  Quote:
  Lord Jamar (02:52): "This entire pod is not about current events, not about music. We're strictly here to figure out what."

• Scientific Rebuttals:
  Mila brings up scientific explanations for phenomena that flat Earthers often dispute, such as gravity and the curvature of the Earth. The conversation delves into why these fundamental principles are widely accepted in the scientific community.

  Quote:
  Mila (05:04): "How come the curvature? He goes, hey, dummy. Because the earth is a gigantic mass, a humongous mass, and gravity exists and there's a force that keeps us down."

• Personal Anecdotes and Humor:
  The hosts share personal experiences and inject humor into the debate, making the conversation lively and relatable. They discuss instances where flat Earth claims seem implausible, such as the depiction of astronauts and inconsistent explanations of space phenomena.

  Quote:
  Lord Jamar (10:24): "I'm still on the side of them. Did they go up? These didn't go to space."

Notable Insights:

• Psychology Behind Conspiracy Theories:
  Rory and Mal explore why individuals might gravitate towards conspiracy theories, citing distrust in government and exposure to misinformation as primary factors.

• Impact on Society:
  The debate highlights how such theories can influence public opinion and the importance of scientific literacy in combating misinformation.

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2. LA Rappers Ranking Challenge

Timestamp: 42:40 – 58:00

Overview:
Rory and Mal shift gears to discuss a contentious ranking list of the greatest Los Angeles rappers, originally published by Complex. The hosts critically analyze the list, debating the inclusion and exclusion of key artists based on criteria such as skill, commercial impact, and lasting influence.

Key Points:

• Initial Reactions to the List:
  The hosts express strong opinions about the placement of certain artists, particularly questioning the absence of iconic figures like The Game and Tupac Shakur.

  Quote:
  Godfrey (46:35): "Game not in the top 10 is crazy. I mean, that's... To me, we could just talk about that."

• Criteria for Ranking:
  They dissect the criteria provided by Complex—skill as a hip-hop artist, strength of catalog, commercial impact, and lasting influence—and argue whether these truly reflect an artist's legacy.

  Quote:
  Ben O'Keefe (48:29): "The pillars are skill, like total skill, strength of a catalog, commercial impact, and lasting influence."

• Regional Authenticity:
  A significant portion of the debate centers on what defines an "LA rapper," with arguments about whether artists from surrounding cities like Compton and Long Beach should be included under the LA banner.

  Quote:
  Mila (43:44): "A lot of these guys are not from LA. Snoop is from Long Beach. Kendrick is from Compton."

• Debate on Inclusion of Defenders of the List:
  Rory, Mal, and their guests discuss the legitimacy and intentions behind Complex's rankings, with skepticism about potential biases and the representation of different eras within the LA rap scene.

Notable Insights:

• Subjectivity of Rankings:
  The conversation underscores the inherent subjectivity in ranking artists and the importance of diverse perspectives in evaluating musical impact.

• Legacy and Influence:
  There's a consensus on the undeniable influence certain artists have had on both LA's music scene and the broader hip-hop landscape, regardless of their ranking positions.

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3. Musings on Hip-Hop Culture and Evolution

Timestamp: 65:00 – 84:33

Overview:
The hosts transition into a broader discussion about the evolution of hip-hop, focusing on the technical aspects of rapping, the importance of lyrical complexity, and the role of modern artists in preserving the genre's authenticity.

Key Points:

• Technical Skill vs. Commercial Appeal:
  Rory and Mal debate the balance between technical rapping skills and commercial success, questioning whether modern artists prioritize depth and artistry over mainstream appeal.

  Quote:
  Ben O'Keefe (72:24): "You gotta learn how to read. You gotta learn how to travel, and you gotta learn how to travel."

• Importance of Lyrical Content:
  They emphasize the importance of meaningful lyrics and how studying, traveling, and life experiences contribute to an artist's ability to craft impactful verses.

  Quote:
  Mila (68:46): "They had to have read books, seen things, experienced things for your vocabulary to open up this wide."

• Critique of Modern Rappers:
  The hosts critique newer artists for lacking the lyrical prowess and conversational abilities that characterize veteran rappers, suggesting a decline in the genre's intellectual engagement.

  Quote:
  Godfrey (69:43): "These rappers... Can't even hold a conversation. It's... It's sad."

• Appreciation for Classic Rappers:
  There's a nostalgic appreciation for classic rappers like Pusha T, Malice, and others who exemplify technical skill and lyrical depth, contrasting them with their modern counterparts.

  Quote:
  Lord Jamar (72:08): "Push, Malice, and Ross are masters at this type of shit. Very simple delivery. You catch every word."

Notable Insights:

• Preservation of Hip-Hop Integrity:
  The discussion highlights the ongoing tension between commercial success and artistic integrity within the hip-hop community.

• Future of the Genre:
  There's an underlying concern about the future direction of hip-hop, with hopes that emerging artists will balance commercial appeal with the technical and lyrical sophistication that has defined the genre's golden years.

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Conclusion

"Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 6/2" offers a compelling mix of debate, analysis, and humor, tackling topics from conspiracy theories to the intricacies of hip-hop culture. Rory and Mal, along with their guests, provide listeners with thought-provoking discussions that challenge conventional viewpoints while celebrating the rich tapestry of contemporary and classic media. This episode serves as both an entertainment and an educational experience, making it a must-listen for fans seeking depth and diversity in podcast content.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Flat Earth Debate:

  • Lord Jamar (02:52): "This entire pod is not about current events, not about music. We're strictly here to figure out what."
  • Mila (05:04): "How come the curvature? He goes, hey, dummy. Because the earth is a gigantic mass, a humongous mass, and gravity exists and there's a force that keeps us down."

• LA Rappers Ranking:

  • Godfrey (46:35): "Game not in the top 10 is crazy. I mean, that's... To me, we could just talk about that."
  • Ben O'Keefe (48:29): "The pillars are skill, like total skill, strength of a catalog, commercial impact, and lasting influence."

• Hip-Hop Culture:

  • Ben O'Keefe (72:24): "You gotta learn how to read. You gotta learn how to travel, and you gotta learn how to travel."
  • Godfrey (69:43): "These rappers... Can't even hold a conversation. It's... It's sad."

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[Lord Jamar]

The volume. This show is dedicated to the shape of the Earth.

[Mila]

Are you Lord Jamar?

[Lord Jamar]

This entire pod is not about current events, not about music. We're strictly here to figure out what.

[Mila]

The shape of the controversial episode.

[Lord Jamar]

I came in here, they didn't get on the same path as me. That was the greatest podcast episode I've ever seen in my life.

[Godfrey]

Hold on. But before. Before we get into that, but before.

[Lord Jamar]

We pay attention, I watched it three times. I subscribed to Professor Dave. I watch his YouTube to this day.

[Godfrey]

He's not lying. He's dead serious.

[Lord Jamar]

Y. I came in here like, yo, have y' all seen what's up with.

[Mila]

You and Jamal and the flat Earthers? What's going on with the flat Earthers? K? Don't make no sense. Who gives a about what the shape of the earth is? And this is supposed to be 5% peace to the gods in the earth.

[Godfrey]

So this about some flat earth. Right, right, right.

[Mila]

You know what? Talk when they breath go away. I don't give a shit. Don't matter. Does it affect you?

[Lord Jamar]

Going to.

[Godfrey]

The funniest part about all this is this original a Zoom episode. We was gonna have Godfrey on Zoom, and I came in here, I'm like, yo, I think Godfrey lives in Manhattan. Why are we zooming?

[Mila]

And it was like, you in? I said, yeah, man.

[Godfrey]

He's like, yeah, I'm right here. I'm like, yo, where you at? And now he's here in the studio. So thank you for coming by, guys.

[Mila]

Yeah, no doubt. Appreciate y' all. I know you guys sort of.

[Godfrey]

Sort of? Sort of.

[Mila]

Cuz I was like, aren't you. You're like, don't say don't fuck.

[Godfrey]

It's all right though.

[Lord Jamar]

I do appreciate that you blindly accept podcast invitations because when we got on Zoom, you're like, ain't you the guys.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

Coming over there.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, we appreciate that.

[Mila]

Yeah, because I watch. Listen, regardless of what happens in this biz, you know, everyone's doing their thing. Things happen. It is what it is, man. I mean, look at what the flat earth and shit.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

I don't. I ain't even spoken to him. And man, over. Over the shape of the earth that's what's hilarious.

[Godfrey]

So you haven't spoke since then at all?

[Mila]

No, because I don't. I don't. I didn't do anything.

[Godfrey]

Right.

[Mila]

Well, here's the thing, okay? He was like talking about the shape of the earth. And I go, all right, hey, why don't you have. When we bring. Because we're Gonna bring Neil DeGrasse Tyson on there, okay?

[Lord Jamar]

He said that he was gonna debate.

[Mila]

Him because Chuck Nice, my man Chuck Nice is his co host on his show Star Talk. I've done startalk with him. I did also. I did Neil degrassen's. Neil degrasse Tyson's show on Nat Geo. We shot at the planetarium. So I know. And I said, yeah, let's call Neil DeGrasse. Cause he wanna. Let's put a black man on there to talk to another. So. And Neil degrasse was too busy. So he's like, well, this guy, the Dave the science communicator said, hey, man, I'd like to debate this dude.

[Lord Jamar]

Well, you're leaving out a part. Because after you guys had that conversation, yeah. Professor Dave did his reaction video with a glass of cognac in his hand, which I grabbed some as well to watch that reaction.

[Godfrey]

We're all drinking now.

[Lord Jamar]

I was like, oh, now I'm on board. Professor Davis in the mix, yo.

[Mila]

So I was like, this is great. Yeah, it's science, man, right? It's a debate. Who gives a fuck? Like. And I go, hey, I got a guy. Because of course, I didn't surprise him. We said, hey, would you like to. He goes, yeah, I'll come through. I said, well, cool. And so he's on there. And before, remember, before he even got on the screen, yo, fuck that motherfucker. I was in a shot, I was like, oh, shit. Oh. So I just kept quiet. And I'm not trying to embarrass anybody. You want to battle? And he said, I'll even go against Neil DeGrasse Tyson. He's not a real astrophysicist. He's an actor. I was like, huh, dude? He was. If you guys, I'm a real nerd. So Carl Sagan was the original Cosmos. Carl Sagan, you know, Carl Sagan is. No, well, Carl Sagan was the. Well, Neil DeGrasse Tyson hosts Cosmos. But the original host of Cosmos was Carl Sagan. This white dude, dark hair, and I love Carl. I grew up on a Carl Sagan and watching Cosmos because I was into astronomy and like that. And so he was Neil DeGrasse Tyson's mentor.

[Godfrey]

Okay.

[Mila]

When. And you know, Neil DeGrasse is from the Bronx.

[Godfrey]

Yes.

[Mila]

And he was. When he was studying science. You know, Neil degrasse is a. Was an all state wrestler. He was a free guy. And he goes, yeah, and when I got into science, I met, you know, Carl Sagan. He gave me like a blessing. Boom, boom. So all of his. That's how his life has been. He's a real scientist. And so he goes, yeah, I'll debate anybody. And I said, cool. This will be awesome. And what's funny, he says, oh, I was just doing it for clicks. I go, who isn't doing shit for clicks?

[Godfrey]

Right?

[Lord Jamar]

That's how you live, how you titled an episode.

[Mila]

I need clicks. That's how you get money.

[Godfrey]

Right.

[Mila]

And so he got on there, and when he said what he said before the guy got on, I go, oh, boy. So I just sat there and Dave stood. Stood his ground.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

You know, and he went at him and.

[Lord Jamar]

And Dave is also a very. How do I put it? Arrogant. Yes, Arrogant with stipulations. Because what he's saying is factual. But it can piss somebody off.

[Mila]

Just the way he's snarky.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Like.

[Mila]

Well, if you understand what a ball is.

[Lord Jamar]

Idiot.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

It's gravity, dumbass. He's gonna talk. Go ahead.

[Lord Jamar]

He's gonna piss somebody. Somebody from New Rochelle, he's gonna piss off. The way he speaks.

[Mila]

Yeah. The way he's talking. Yeah, of course. But when you're right, you're right. That's my thing. And I'm like, you handle this. I just wanna watch. I'm not trying to go back and forth.

[Godfrey]

Right.

[Mila]

You know? Cause I. I know science, but I'm not that deep in it like that, you know? But you really wanna battle this flat earth shit? Cause for me, I understand why flat earthers have come into play. I understand because we're lied to so much. Just in general, government lies to us. Lies about food, they lie to us about everything. So I understand when people go, conspiracy theories. That's where conspiracy theories come from.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

Is there the presence of God? Is there such thing as a Jesus? You get it because lie a lot. So I understand the flat earth thing.

[Godfrey]

Right?

[Mila]

And. And what's funny is there's some things about flat earth that make sense. You go, you know what? That kind of makes sense. I like people that even if they're wrong, they have some that you go, well, wait a minute.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, so that makes for good. Yeah.

[Mila]

You know, a good conversation. And so go ahead.

[Lord Jamar]

What are you Gonna say I'm a huge conspiracy theorist. Okay. They accused me of being a flat Earther for a long time. And granted, I went and went through the same YouTube rabbit holes that I'm sure Lord Jamar did as well. I was like, nah, this is probably. But I still believe in a lot of other conspiracies.

[Mila]

There was some stuff that made sense. Yeah. You know, perspective wise. Okay. If the. If this is this, why don't we see the curvature? Then I brought my bud on. My buddy Calvin Stig. Stiggy. He's a pilot. Jamaican. My boy's Jamaican is all hell. And he studied geospace engineering. And he was. He protected Obama. He was an Air Forceman. Like, he did the Tom Cruise that. He did the tricks and all. So he. He goes. He goes. He said, what? Blood clot. The Earth is round. He's like, I seen the curvature. And when a Jamaican is saying that shit.

[Godfrey]

Yeah. You gotta believe it.

[Mila]

When a Jamaican go, I see sin.

[Godfrey]

It was.

[Mila]

I was on 80,000 buck. When they go, bumble.

[Godfrey]

You got to believe him.

[Mila]

He said, dude, he said, bumba clap.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Vibe said the same thing. Said he didn't kill that person.

[Mila]

I was on the ear. I swore up. I said, he said, bumble, it's real. So it's real. So there is curvature. It is what it is. It's like. Because I don't know. Because I don't fly. I don't. You know, so what if. What if those pictures that we have seen of the Earth are fake? What if they are? Because we don't. We're not satellites. We have. I haven't. I'm not Superman. Where I can fly and go, ah, it is round. What if they're lying to us because we're here on the planet? We don't know what the they're doing up there.

[Godfrey]

Right.

[Mila]

They could be. I'm saying they could be lying.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah.

[Mila]

With the moon landing. I. You know, the moon landing.

[Lord Jamar]

I'm still on the side of them.

[Mila]

I'm doubting that, you know, especially after those space cunts went up there.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

I'm sorry. The Cosmic Concert.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah. Call them by the proper names. The Cosmic Hunts.

[Mila]

The Cosmic cunts Went up.

[Lord Jamar]

Did they go up? These didn't go to space.

[Mila]

There was some air and their. First of all, where's your helmet? At minimum, like, first of all, where's your pressure suit? They'd even have at least motorcycle helmets.

[Lord Jamar]

I saw Armageddon.

[Mila]

Take a go at this.

[Godfrey]

On opening a. Wow.

[Mila]

I'm just saying. I don't mean to insult him, but I was just like. And you. And then you have Katy Perry describing what the happened. Why would you pick her? She's like, it was just love. Love and connection and just love. And we were just there and connect. What the are you talking about? We're talking science. Like, hey, I felt the gravitational pull. And then Bezos's wife with that. You would think that she had all that face done that. The gravity would have whole shit would have been like, oh, my God. Yeah. Every needle just fucked my whole operation up. Her shit would have been like. You see what it looked like a. Yeah. It was no, there was no effect on that.

[Godfrey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mila]

So I was like, we're. And they were like this. We're in bath.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

If you're in space, if you're on a high speed train, you're like this. Oh, right. If you're. Oh, you know, I do that.

[Godfrey]

Getting off the fdr.

[Mila]

You're like, oh, God damn. But you're in space and you're just going.

[Lord Jamar]

Look at my Daisy.

[Mila]

Oh, my God. A daisy meant Kanaksha. And then they came out like, yeah. If you come from space, you're like, yeah.

[Godfrey]

That was like. You know.

[Mila]

And then Bezos tried to open the door. They already opened it up. It was already open. Yeah. He was like, close it.

[Lord Jamar]

Take two.

[Mila]

He's like, yeah, we saw it.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

No X. To make sure his wife is okay.

[Mila]

Yes. And you know what? And then it's like, you can't. We. Our bodies can't handle those kind of forces. You. You know when you're in an airplane 35,000ft and your pressure and then. Come on. There's pilots that go higher than that.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

The you talk. These pilots are up there with helmets on and oxygen and you. Yeah. And you're higher than they are, but you're like, yeah, Beth.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

The final frontier. Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

These are the people.

[Mila]

Like, Spock, we have to go on turbo. He's like this. Captain, I don't think we can make that. He's like, damn it.

[Lord Jamar]

Even on tv, this makes no sense. Even Star Trek look like real space.

[Mila]

Like, yeah, I don't think we can make it. I think that force will suck us in. Spock, we have to get there. Spock spot. Yeah, right. And these like, yeah, yeah, we were there. It was love. It was connection.

[Godfrey]

Like, it was brunch.

[Mila]

It's not time for feminism in that high altitude. The is wrong with you?

[Lord Jamar]

Is there any gender in space.

[Mila]

Connection? And what the.

[Lord Jamar]

Not that she found about Love up there. It was the fact that she decided two days later that she needed to learn how to walk again.

[Mila]

Did you see that concert she was doing? That was trash. Her concert was garbage. Straight. That was so bad. She was. She was. I said maybe she did go rickets.

[Lord Jamar]

They left her up there.

[Mila]

Gravitational forces done her knees up.

[Godfrey]

Oh, my.

[Mila]

That's when she was in that. Dressed as a. That was. At least she should have been dressed in that to go to space. Yeah, but there were all these sexy suits. And then there's Gayle King, right? And there's Oprah's body double. And then there's. I call her Oprah stunt double. Because if Oprah's like in a car scene and she rolls out, it's Gail.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, absolute.

[Lord Jamar]

And yo, it's gailing out the car.

[Mila]

And there's two scientists. Were real scientists. The girl, that's the Vietnamese girl who was actually, you know, she was like sexually assaulted when she was a science. Yeah, she's gone through a lot. She's actually a real astrophysicist or whatever. And the black girl, it's the. The in the middle, there's the Vietnamese. No, the Vietnamese chick in the front. That's the lowest. And the black. They're two real astrocytes. So I think they brought them in to just keep the hoax going. But it was some bull. They went straight to Katy Perry first. And I said, oh, this is they up.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mila]

She's like, it was just love. And we're just.

[Lord Jamar]

That she was on love. Gail, like, kind of had a little sassy attitude. Like when she was like this.

[Mila]

Like, she's like, have you been to space? Then you tell me. I'm sorry.

[Lord Jamar]

Ask you what happened up there.

[Mila]

Well, your friend is Jeff Bezos. Nate's cost a million dollars a ticket.

[Godfrey]

I just did.

[Mila]

I was just on kayak to get my ticket to go to North Carolina. Talking about I was using my flyer miles and negotiating, just trying to go a two hour flight. And you talking about, have you been this way? That's when I knew it was. I'm sorry. Have you been to space? So when you get to space, let me know. Have you been to space? No, we haven't. You're the only ones that have obviously been there because guess what? You weren't.

[Godfrey]

Right.

[Mila]

That's why you don't know what the you're talking about.

[Godfrey]

Right? Right.

[Lord Jamar]

Flint doesn't have clean water. And you went to space for funsies.

[Godfrey]

Oh, my God. I totally forgot about that.

[Lord Jamar]

That Flint didn't Have clean water?

[Godfrey]

No, I went to Flint. I'm talking about this space voyage that Gayle King and him went on.

[Mila]

People don't believe it. Have you been to space? If I have a friend named Jeff, a friend at Jeff Bezos, I'll go right? And he'll pay for my ticket. But you didn't go to space. Have you been to space? You obviously haven't either because you're not explaining anything to us. You could have been like, well, the gravitational forces. It was really amazing. We saw. Then we saw cosmic dust and. Yeah, just some space talk. Like you could be at least like we, I think saw like Haley's comet come by, right? And we saw there's an asteroid. We were able to see, you know, the moon, the craters and the da da, da. I mean, I know some science. Like tell us something, right? Even like this. Have you been to space? Well, if you don't know space, shut your ass up. And you know how they use the word space now? Just in jail. I just love this space that we're in.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mila]

You know, that's what that was. We were in a space in space. It was sort of a safe space in space, which was. Was sort of space.

[Lord Jamar]

Like they were nice and it's spacecraft.

[Mila]

So everything's about space.

[Godfrey]

Everything's about space. Respect our space.

[Mila]

Spacey that I'm spacey from the space. And in this space, I was able to really be in a safe place for space. And this is a good working space for me. And, you know, and people who don't know about this space know nothing about space.

[Godfrey]

So where are you? On the side of the flat Earth.

[Lord Jamar]

I still want to take Lord Jamar to Antarctica.

[Mila]

Do you remember when they did the experiment? They recently $35,000 a piece for these flat Earthers to go to. Because they say that Antarctica, there's an end in Antarctica there's some other, like, big land. Okay. There's a wall.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

So this dude's like on the other side, right. I'm curious. It's a Rothschild island right there. Go to Google Maps. Is there a Rothschild island in Antarctica?

[Mila]

Ye believe that though?

[Lord Jamar]

No, it's a fact.

[Mila]

Snow castle.

[Lord Jamar]

No, listen, I'm saying that the Earth is round. I'm also saying that the Rothschilds own an island in Antarctica.

[Godfrey]

And I believe that along with that.

[Lord Jamar]

It could be the.

[Mila]

The Rothschilds. The Rockefeller. Yeah, I believe all that now. But as far as like, he goes, okay, I'm gonna take you guys to Antarctica, fly you all out. This guy scientist, paid 35, 000 a piece. Yeah, yeah, I got the money. And then we're going to sit there and watch the sun. If the sun stays in, the air, stays out for 24 hours, it the Earth round. They were like, okay, bet. And they camped out. That sun stayed there. And they were like, that's cgi. That's AI.

[Lord Jamar]

They. All right. So they were there. They took like, Flat Earther influencers. Like, they took the Kendall Jenner of Flat Earth down there, right? And when they got there, there was like, yo, now the 24 hour sun exists. Like, we.

[Mila]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's real.

[Lord Jamar]

Then they exiled them like some Scientology. Like, they kicked them out of the flat Earther community.

[Mila]

Yeah, they're out.

[Lord Jamar]

Because they were like, guys, I was there. I promise you that was not.

[Mila]

They were. And if. And they're like, it's round. Earth is round. It's. It's right.

[Godfrey]

Sonata kicked out of the fraternity.

[Mila]

Yes. They're freaking kicked out. You're out of here. You think it's wrong. You think it's a sphere. You're out of here.

[Lord Jamar]

And the Internet is just the worst place. Because when I.

[Mila]

That's how they make their money, though.

[Lord Jamar]

I wasn't even looking at the flat earth when I started on that rabbit hole. They were telling me like, yo, there's no flights from Argentina to Australia. And I was like, damn, why is that the case? Then I went on Priceline. I'm like, no, you could fly. They just put out misinformation as a fact. And if you don't double check it.

[Mila]

It doesn't go to Trinidad. I just found that out yesterday. They don't.

[Lord Jamar]

So it's got to be a triangle.

[Mila]

Jet blue does.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, yeah, you can get there.

[Mila]

They show the lines. JetBlue has more lies. We're going to Trinidad.

[Lord Jamar]

At one Flat Earther rabbit hole, I went down. They showed footage of everyone taking off from Australia, and they said they were forcing everyone to put the windows down so you couldn't see. Yo, yo, where are we at right now?

[Mila]

I got to give credit to Flat Earthers that. Keep going. They'll go like this. But no. And how come the wing was tilted?

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Guess what that means.

[Mila]

That's the flat Earth, the gravity. And then we were talking about. There was a thing about buoyancy. You saw that?

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah, of course.

[Mila]

Like, okay, how come when you dip a tennis ball in a ball of a ball in water, like a tennis ball, and you spin it, the water comes off? How come it does it? The Water doesn't fly off the Earth. He goes, hey, dummy. Because the earth is a gigantic mass, a humongous mass, and, and gravity exists and there's a, you know, there's a force that keeps us down. You know, when you throw a ball up, it goes down.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

It's like, well, you know where down is. Remember? He's like, do you know. And in, in buoyancy in the equation, if you can even pop it up, the equation for buoyancy, there's a G for gravity on the other side of the. Of the equal sign.

[Godfrey]

Right?

[Mila]

A G is in the. The is in the equation for buoyancy.

[Godfrey]

Right.

[Mila]

And again in the equation. Why do things float? There's gravity right in the equation.

[Lord Jamar]

Guys, I'm stupid. So it's not like I'm sitting here like I know everything.

[Mila]

No, me either.

[Lord Jamar]

But what. This makes more sense to me than someone just screaming, hey, a ball can't. What's their famous line? Can't hold water. Or whatever the they say, right? It's. And I'm like, no, when they said it, I was like, hm, that's a great point.

[Godfrey]

Easily disproven right here. It's a great point.

[Lord Jamar]

I have a lot of love and respect for Lord Jamar. I don't want to make, I don't. I don't want to make it seem like clowning him. I was on his side in the beginning and I thought in the like, dope, you're making up some great points. And then Professor Dave just was like, dog. All right, let me break this down for you.

[Mila]

And, and, and Neil Degrasse Tyson, you know, have you heard when him and Terence Howard wrote some stuff, some scientific theories, and Terrence was like, I believe that, that the planet. There's no such thing as zero. Because if you see, I've done a lot of calculations, you know. He sounds light skin.

[Godfrey]

That's what he sounds light skinned.

[Mila]

I love Terrence Howard. He sounds light skinned, though. I sound like a dark skinner. He sounds light skinned. See, nobody dark skin sounds like that.

[Lord Jamar]

He hits S's.

[Mila]

Here's the thing though. You have to understand the philosophy and astronomical calculation. I've done this for a long time. He sounds light skinned. That's what I love about him. But he ain't no joke though. He don't play that though. That will smack out somebody. He's real deal. He's the real. He ain't no. He ain't no punk.

[Lord Jamar]

That's one thing whether he was playing a, A pimp, a rapper, he wears the same thing and looks exactly the same every role and doesn't matter.

[Mila]

And I love him to be that guy.

[Godfrey]

President, United States.

[Mila]

That Batman thing where he meets Batman. Like, he goes, oh, what's up, Batman? He goes, it's Batman. Okay, that's what I said.

[Godfrey]

I said Batman.

[Mila]

That is his.

[Lord Jamar]

But, but when you say things with conviction like he does, right, because Neil.

[Mila]

DeGrasse actually looked at the paper he wrote and said, I looked at it, but I just didn't have time to, you know. But there's some things that he said that didn't that weren't right. But I give him credit for his effort.

[Godfrey]

Okay.

[Mila]

You know, there's this thing they call what's the theory? They call where you. You think you know enough. You think you know something, but you don't have enough information to really know and you don't know what you're talking about. There's a. There's a theory. Was it. Was it called. It's. No, it's not cognitive dissonance. It's. It's.

[Lord Jamar]

It's a theory where you, you Narcissism.

[Mila]

You don't know as a go, right? Where you, where you have. You think you have a certain amount of information to make you think you know everything, but you don't have enough. Something like that.

[Godfrey]

The district attorney, Attorney.

[Mila]

Puffy's lawyers. Is it. Okay, read that. Can you read that?

[Godfrey]

The phrase you don't know what you don't know highlights the limitations of human knowledge and the potential for gaps in understanding. It emphasizes that there are often things we are unaware we don't know, which can lead to misunderstandings or flawed assumptions.

[Mila]

Right? So it was. It's that. And so Neil DeGrasse said that's what he has. He has that. You know, that's what he has. But I love his. But I. We're scientists.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mila]

We do. We've done experiments over and over and over. We. This is what we do. And I'm not knocking him, but what you're talking about is wrong.

[Godfrey]

Right?

[Mila]

Because I'm a fucking scientist. Because I know about acting, right? Like, yeah, Terrence is an amazing actor. That's like me telling you about acting. You don't know it like I do.

[Godfrey]

Right?

[Mila]

And so, so it. So that was really interesting that, you know, and, and it's. And, and my thing is science is there to be debated. What's wrong with that? It's nothing wrong. Even though they've. They've. Since the days of Einstein and, and, and, And And Bohr and all these scientists that have, you know, they have all these different types of. They have. They have their own theories, they have their own calculations and equations. Even back then, these were. I mean, Madam Curie. They all did science experiments over for tons of them. So these know what they talking about, and it's okay to debate them. Just absolutely.

[Godfrey]

Ready to get started, Right? Just be ready to be wrong.

[Lord Jamar]

Their actual job, like.

[Mila]

Right. Just get ready.

[Lord Jamar]

You know, it's like getting in a scene with Denzel and be like, I know how to act. All right.

[Mila]

Are you sure about that? Are you sure?

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

So what are we going to do? We're going to work. You're going to keep your mouth shut? Is that what you're telling me? You think you know. You know.

[Lord Jamar]

And now I'm sitting here like, I don't know how that girl said, what.

[Mila]

Do I need to do to be outcome actor? He said, learn. Shut up.

[Godfrey]

Up.

[Mila]

Turn off your phone. Practice train. Right?

[Lord Jamar]

It was. Who was Menace Society. Who directed that? Which brothers?

[Mila]

Was it Hud? No, not the Hud.

[Godfrey]

I think it was the Hud. Yeah, I think it was.

[Mila]

Was it Hudlin Brothers?

[Lord Jamar]

Nah.

[Godfrey]

Oh, no, it was. Was it Bill Duke?

[Lord Jamar]

Nah, Society is the. The brothers, you know.

[Mila]

You know, you done up even that one, right? With Bill. Bill was the one.

[Godfrey]

It was the Hughes brothers.

[Lord Jamar]

The Hughes brothers.

[Mila]

Oh, Bill Duke was the one who said, you know, you done up.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, he was in. He was actually in. Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

So Alan Hughes was doing a PO Think was like, with Neil Brennan maybe, and was talking about directing Denzel for the first time. And anytime he had any type of note or real direction, Denzel would just yell, 32. 32. He'd do it for the whole week. And then Alan Hughes realized he was saying the amount of movies he's done and saying, shut the. Shut the up. 32. 32. Like, don't tell me what the I'm doing right now.

[Godfrey]

Look is hilarious.

[Mila]

32.

[Lord Jamar]

Didn't for a whole week.

[Godfrey]

Thought he.

[Mila]

Was calling it audible. 32. Set. Set. 25.

[Godfrey]

32 is crazy.

[Mila]

But it's. You know that. That's what I l. It's like, shut the up.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, let me do what I got.

[Mila]

You just saw me in a gang of movies, right? Got an Oscar real quick, right?

[Godfrey]

Let me do what I do. Know what I'm doing.

[Mila]

He's like, den, can you like, no.

[Godfrey]

Yeah. No, I can't.

[Mila]

Do you see me directing you? Huh? You know, it's in that. 32. It happened to me. I Was on a set. And, and when it comes to comedy, like, I just feel like most people can't tell.

[Godfrey]

What's the difference for you between, let's.

[Mila]

Say stand up and then actual situational comedy? Yeah, I, it's, it, it. I can, I'm, I'm good at both. You know, not everybody. A lot of comedians can transfer into acting. That's one thing. A lot of comedians can go from stand up to like sketch comedy and stuff like that because we have that timing thing. We do character work on stage so we can adjust easier. I'm not saying we're all going to be the greatest at it, but we. That's why they pick a lot of comics on a lot of sketch stuff. Because we kind of know. Because a lot of sketches come from comics that they've watched or they'll steal a joke and just extend it into a sketch. You feel me?

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah.

[Mila]

So a lot of times a lot of writers from the snls and whatever will go to comedy clubs.

[Godfrey]

Okay.

[Mila]

To get premises. Oh, yeah. And you'll go, wait a minute. That looks like my.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

You know what I mean? So that's why we're real. We, we can think in sketch too. Because a lot of comics are writers, right? You got Michael Che, you got Colin Jost. They're all comics.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah.

[Mila]

You know, there's a lot of. My comic friends write a lot of sketches. They're all comedians.

[Lord Jamar]

So even though John Mulaney was the head writer at snl, right.

[Mila]

Sketch Ye. He's stand up. So a lot of us are stand up. Colin Quinn was a stand up. Dennis Miller a stand up. Stand up. So we can get into acting. A lot of comics can become dramatic actors too. You can, because we're angry. First of all, we're fucking angry. Comedy comes from anger, pain and shit like that. You look at some great actors. Robin Williams, you look at. Michael Keaton was a standup.

[Godfrey]

Really?

[Mila]

What, in the 80s? Yeah. Michael Stand up comic. Michael Keaton, who's one of the best, greatest actors. Michael Keaton was a stand up. Kevin Pollock a stand up. Who else was. Richard Pryor was a good actor. Richard Pryor act his ass off. You got Eddie Murphy, you got. We can keep going. There's a lot of stand ups that can become actors. Rosie o' Donnell was a stand up comic. Roseanne Barr, stand up Comet. We could just. It's easy to. It's easier. It's. It's harder for an actor to do comedy.

[Godfrey]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Mila]

But drama, we. It's easier for us to get into that.

[Lord Jamar]

We've seen Robert De Niro try to be a comedic actor.

[Mila]

And it's funny because, like, go back.

[Lord Jamar]

He'S doing mafia movies. I like. Listen, I like parents too.

[Mila]

But he. But we got.

[Lord Jamar]

Trying to be a comedian.

[Mila]

There was a show called the Actor's Studio. Yeah, I remember, with James Lipton. Yeah, I love that interview. Chappelle did it. Yeah. And he asked De Niro, what's the hardest thing for you as an actor? He goes, comedy, It's. It's so difficult. Denzel said it. Comedy, comedy, comedy. Kim Basinger said, comedy, it's harder than drama. And it doesn't get rewarded the way it should be. I think a funny movie should be rewarded for. Because that's hard because you already go into. When you're going to go see a funny, funny movie, you already got attitude. This better be funny.

[Godfrey]

Right, right, right.

[Mila]

That. You know, you don't go into the drama going, I better cry like a. Cause the Notebook had me snotting bubbles, baby. I better cry like a. I better cry like. Like a. Do I wanna. I wanna lose breath in this. You never do that. Yeah, you just go, drama's a drama. You don't always go to funny. Oh, that wasn't even funny. Yeah, it's way harder because there's an expectation.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

You know, with drama, you can have laughter, you can cry, you can. Comedy's like. I just. I come for one fucking reaction.

[Godfrey]

So you grew up. You grew up in Chicago?

[Mila]

Yep.

[Godfrey]

What's the. Is it tougher? Like the. The comedy scene, the comedy clubs in Chicago. Is it tougher than New York, or is New York, by far the toughest.

[Mila]

City for comedy right now? I don't know the. The landscape of comedy as far as coming up, because I'm like, I've been doing it over 25 years. So I don't. But I knew in Chicago, I mean, New York had just more stages.

[Godfrey]

Okay.

[Mila]

New York. And I was coming up during the Def Jam times and the night it was. I ain't gonna lie. The urban was wild as. Like, these. New York were like, boo. I don't give a. Yeah, I didn't even go up yet.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah, they went to boot.

[Mila]

They were like, I'm just letting you know what's about to happen to you, son. Don't be corny out here, son. Swear to God, son, All you see was Pele. Pele jackets and echo jackets and like that. It's like this.

[Godfrey]

Like, make me laughter like this.

[Mila]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

All right.

[Mila]

You're like, damn, son, what the. You Brooke? I did all. But in Chicago, we had our urban circuit. Cause I came under Bernie Mac's club. So it was me, Deon Cole. I would see Dion Cole, Corey Holcomb, D. Ray Davis. I see Mike Epps would come from Indianapolis, Cedric would come from St. Louis. So we was under Bernie Mac. Shit. So we were doing urban. Like Chicago urban scene was like, you know, we had Bishop, Don Juan, you know, the guy that hangs out with Snoop. I know him before Snoop, though. He knew me as an amateur. When I shot Soul playing with Snoop, Bishop came on the same set and greeted me first.

[Godfrey]

Wow.

[Mila]

He came on, he said, baby. Man, I'm proud of you, baby. Man, you've been, man. I remember when you first started, baby. You represent Chicago.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

And Snoop was like, how you know? I said, I'm from Chicago, Snoop. He goes, that's why I with you, dog.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, I love Chicago.

[Mila]

I said, yeah, we used to do pimp shows in Chicago where the pimps would come. Bernie Mac and it would be the Chicago Bulls. When we was winning.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

When we was giving the Knicks next hand in that they ass. Boy.

[Godfrey]

A lot of years of that. Yeah.

[Mila]

That was the greatest playoff ever. That was. But that was the time when I was coming to New York wearing. Wearing Jordan T shirts. Just being an and catch was like, no, you, man. I go, yo, I'm not playing in the game, bro. Yeah, go say that to Jordan, man. Say it to me. I'm right here telling jokes, bro. I did like that. I dug myself in a hole every time I'd be wearing Jordans. Like Jordan had, like real special. Like he had a store. It was Jordan's. Had a restaurant in Chicago. And there was T shirts you could only get from that store. So I would buy these exclusive. So I had one where he's a cyborg. Jordan the greatest. And I came on stage with that in Brooklyn. I was in Brooklyn. I went. I think I went up after Chappelle or D.C. benny went up there was like, yo, Chicago. I go, you're losing. It does no good. Jordan's still gonna score 50.

[Godfrey]

You.

[Mila]

You being mad here?

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

Show is going to do you no good, my friend. He will still score 50.

[Lord Jamar]

Did.

[Mila]

Did you know the only reason why you're in Madison Square Garden is for Michael Jordan?

[Godfrey]

Exactly.

[Mila]

Don't forget.

[Godfrey]

Exactly.

[Mila]

Go ahead.

[Lord Jamar]

Did you know in Chicago at that time. Because that list you just named off coming like this is all Birdie Mac.

[Mila]

Bernie Mack was like the guy. And my boy Evan Lionel, Evan, my Big brother is the one that got Birdie, that had hooked Bernie up. People don't know Evan. Evan's like this old Chicago dude, my big brother, who started like the black comedy circle circuit when he was in college and just put. He was the first guy to put money in our pockets. And he's the one that brought Bernie into the scene.

[Godfrey]

Okay?

[Mila]

He got footage on Bernie doing open mics.

[Lord Jamar]

Crazy.

[Godfrey]

Wow.

[Mila]

He got shit on Bernie doing open mics. I've seen it.

[Godfrey]

Wow.

[Mila]

When Bernie wasn't rich, when Bernie was just funny with his little glasses and shit. Some of them.

[Godfrey]

A right?

[Mila]

Fuck your mother. Yeah. Yeah. He got footage on all of us when we first started. Evan Lionel, remember that name? He's the one that stopped Bernie from a life of crime time. He's the one that went to high school with Bernie. Chicago Vocational high school, Bernard McCollum, you know what I mean? He said, bernie, man, come do my shows. Do that. You talented. That's the dude we need to talk about. Evan Lionel, for real. He brought us all into that. You know what I'm saying? He's still in la and anytime, Chicago, Chicago, anything that happens with Chicago, we always let him know I'm in town. You know, he. He looks out for Chicago. So. D. Ray, all of us came through there. I saw everybody. D.L. hughley came through there everybo. Then we had a club called All Jokes Aside, which was all black comedy club for like seven years. And it was all black. And it wasn't Black Knight at a white establishment because most of the black knights.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mila]

At a mainstream establishment.

[Lord Jamar]

Urban nights.

[Mila]

Yeah, I'm sorry, the urban people nights, the rough nights, economically. But what's funny is the urban nights are what keeps the clubs open.

[Godfrey]

Absolutely, absolutely.

[Mila]

They make the most money. But they won't say anything about that because it. And. And what's funny is most of the African American headliners are the reasons why a lot of these comedy clubs survive. It isn't the white ones. It isn't the.

[Godfrey]

Like.

[Mila]

It's like the black ones always kept going because the urban nights made. It was packed.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Mila]

Because it was like, oh, this is all night, you know?

[Lord Jamar]

And.

[Mila]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's where I came from. Watching all of the Mark Curry. I just watch all the greats come through there, man. Like. Like, it was like, holy.

[Erica]

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[Lord Jamar]

I didn't have much service and the WI fi was down where I was at, so there was only a few times I could see what was pissing everyone off per hour. But I did. But I did see Complex. Anytime Complex puts any list out, you know the timeline is gonna melt. Everyone's gonna stop what they're doing on a Saturday, say, fuck their kids, fuck the plans they had. We need to argue about what Complex.

[Godfrey]

Has to say, right?

[Lord Jamar]

Even if it is a third party writer. 1099. That doesn't even work. Does anyone even work at Complex anymore?

[Godfrey]

I think it's bots that just make.

[Lord Jamar]

They just do AI generated. Like, what would piss the time? What would piss the timeline off?

[Ben O'Keefe]

Shout out.

[Lord Jamar]

Like, just leave Tupac off.

[Godfrey]

Exactly.

[Lord Jamar]

That's what ChatGPT spit out.

[Godfrey]

Well, to be fair, PAC is not from L. A.

[Lord Jamar]

Which we'll get there. Yeah, Complex, Best L A rappers of all time list. I don't know if this is going to start the city by city thing that we're going to get for the rest of the year. But I'm not mad at them. Starting with la. We'll just go through the top five real quick.

[Godfrey]

Well, the funny thing. Go ahead, because this is the top 50 LA rappers, right?

[Lord Jamar]

Yes.

[Godfrey]

A lot of these rappers are not from la. They're from California, but they're not from Los Angeles. So how are we. You know what I mean? That's when I saw the list I looked at, I was like, okay, but they're saying from la.

[Mila]

A people.

[Godfrey]

Lot of of these guys are not from la. Like, Snoop is from Long Beach. Kendrick is from Compton. You know, I mean, it's kind of like where we.

[Lord Jamar]

Okay, I see what you're saying. But if they did the greatest New York City rappers of all time and Jadakiss was on the list, I wouldn't be like, no, he's from Yonkers. I wouldn't say that. He's still New York City rapper. Long beach is still comp. I understand that, that those are not in the LA county, or maybe it is LA county, but it's not a Los Angeles address. Compton is its own city. Long beach is its own city. It's still the LA greater area. I feel like.

[Godfrey]

I mean, I just know people from. From these places that they've had these same. They're like, yo, that's. We're not la. This is. That's not la. He's not from la.

[Lord Jamar]

Okay.

[Godfrey]

They're saying this like, he's not from la. He's not from la. Where he's from, they don't even fuck with la. Like, it's a lot of that, of course.

[Lord Jamar]

And I get that politics, especially with LA of any other city, but not even to get on the Amaretta shit. But, like, if they were to do the best rappers from Atlanta, Andre 3000 can't be on it now because he's technically not from Atlanta.

[Godfrey]

Well, that's why you go best rappers from California.

[Lord Jamar]

No, but then that's insane because you're getting into the Bay. Like, that's a big. California is like the third biggest state. That's crazy.

[Godfrey]

Okay, yeah, I'm not. I'm not here to nitpick, but I'm just, you know, was reading the timeline and seeing what people were saying, that's all.

[Lord Jamar]

Like, if we can't have Rakim on the Greatest New York City rappers, why wouldn't you. He's from Long Island. Exactly.

[Godfrey]

That's New York, though.

[Lord Jamar]

It would be New York City.

[Godfrey]

It wouldn't be New York City. It would be New York.

[Lord Jamar]

Oh, Then if we get into New York State, then we have to put in Griselda there.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Okay.

[Godfrey]

All right, cool.

[Lord Jamar]

So we just state by state. You would do.

[Godfrey]

I would just do the whole New York.

[Lord Jamar]

Okay. I'm not state of New York. Fair enough.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Some from Binghamton who get it in for sure.

[Godfrey]

From Binghamton. Like rapping who?

[Lord Jamar]

No, she said get it in. She's not talking about rapping.

[Godfrey]

Okay, Yeah, I know a few that's.

[Lord Jamar]

Moving a few people who flooded who's from.

[Godfrey]

Who's rapping from Binghamton. Like, I missed that whole that move movement.

[Ben O'Keefe]

I'm just saying, you know, I get Rory's point, though.

[Lord Jamar]

I was more so on the side of the rappers that are straight up, not from the LA area, period. Okay, so we'll get at least to the top five. And then from there, I think it brings up immediately somebody that's really not. So at number one is Kendrick Lamar. Number two, Snoop Dogg. 3, Ice Cube. 4. Dr. Dre. 5, Tyler Creators. 6. DJ Quick. 7, Iced Tea. 8. Be Real. 9. Easy E. 10, Nipsey Hussle. Out the gate. To your point, Mall. I know Ice Tea very much made his career on the west coast and is a representation of the West Coast. He's from Newark, New Jersey.

[Ben O'Keefe]

He would be. Ice Tea would be from Newark, New Jersey.

[Lord Jamar]

Why do you say that?

[Ben O'Keefe]

Because he acts like he's from Newark, New Jersey. That makes so much sense.

[Lord Jamar]

Because he likes white girls?

[Ben O'Keefe]

No, not just that.

[Mila]

That.

[Lord Jamar]

Because he pimps out white girls.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Because of the type of, you know, we love Coco.

[Lord Jamar]

Of course. How do you feel about the top 10 outside of the regional debate between Ice Tea and Newark, New Jersey?

[Godfrey]

I don't know. I just think having Game not In the top 10 is blasphemy.

[Lord Jamar]

I completely agree with you.

[Godfrey]

You know, then the more I look.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Through the list, who would you replace them with?

[Godfrey]

Game.

[Mila]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

I think Game can be in the top five.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Who would you replace them with in the top five?

[Lord Jamar]

I'm fine with Tyler going down to six if I'm. If I'm keeping their order and just bumping where Game should be. I am not mad at the top five if it's no matter the order. Kendrick, snoop, ice cube, Dr. Dre. Game. I think that is a very fair, fair top five.

[Godfrey]

Okay, before we do that, what is the criteria here? Are we just talking?

[Lord Jamar]

It's complex, so you never get one.

[Godfrey]

Okay, so. So we don't know what the criteria.

[Lord Jamar]

As much as I hate B Dot's list, at least he puts a criteria at the bottom and says it's because of these things. Complexes just throw shit out.

[Godfrey]

Okay.

[Lord Jamar]

And makes us all argue without any context. No context. And complex is what happens every time.

[Godfrey]

No, they know that we're going to do what we're doing. Sit me on our platform and dissect this list and. And keep saying complex over and over and over.

[Lord Jamar]

Exactly.

[Ben O'Keefe]

We stuck to three core principles when sorting our ranking. This is coming from complex. Skill as a hip hop artist, strength of a catalog dog, commercial impact, and lasting influence. They say by skill they mean the entire rap package. Delivery, presence, pin game, overall artistry. They're focusing strictly on rappers. So while artists like Nate Dog and Ty $sign are iconic LA artists, they're fundamentally singers, not rappers. So hip hop skill, strength of a catalog, commercial impact, and lasting influence.

[Lord Jamar]

If you're focusing just on rappers and Skill, then is Dr. Dream and Eazy E allowed on the list? As they do not write their own raps and have both admitted that. And it's like, I'm fine with it. I'm. I don't really care. They made incredible music and are the two probably biggest icons in the LA rap scene ever. But if you're going off skill of rapping off their criteria, not mine. Dr. Dre and Eazy E, are they allowed to be on the list?

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yes, because they explain that by skill they mean the entire rap package. Delivery, presence, pin game, and overall artistry. It takes more to be our rapper than.

[Lord Jamar]

I agree. But if you're. You're taking out one complete pillar where.

[Godfrey]

Every other person on this list, Game is the biggest. That's.

[Lord Jamar]

And on top of that, every single artist on here would cover every single pillar, period. Those two. An entire pillar is gone. Like, gone gone.

[Godfrey]

And, and the pillar, if you, if we. The pen is the pillar. Like as a rapper, that's what you have. You have your pen as your sword.

[Lord Jamar]

Like, if you want to talk about the two most important people in LA rap history history, Dre and Easy, and I'm fine with that. But if you're going off that criteria, I don't know if Dr. Dre and Easy E are allowed on this list.

[Ben O'Keefe]

I think they're allowed on the list. I just don't think they should be as far up.

[Godfrey]

Game not in the top 10 is crazy. I. I mean, that's, That's. To me, we could just talk about that.

[Lord Jamar]

Take out. Take out the Pillar. And it should be Kendrick, Snoop, Ice Cube, Dre and Game for sure.

[Ben O'Keefe]

I don't know LA politics. I'm not from over there. Is there this like do they hate Game? Because I feel like he's so disrespected by LA but so uplifted by New York and other place. So that's why is it a thing.

[Lord Jamar]

Or I mean Game. I wouldn't ever discredit what he was doing in the Bay and in LA before he broke with G Unit. But I mean why I think Jimmy even put him with G Unit outside of G Unit being on fire at the time is that he sounded and rapped like he was from New York. Of course he sounds like he's from la.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Don't get me wrong, I get what you're saying.

[Lord Jamar]

The way his delivery and lyrical content when he was on Clue to Tapes, if he didn't constantly say where he was from, I wouldn't immediately believe that he wasn't from New York. I think he's even talked about that he rapped like he was from New York and I think that's probably why we all gravitated to him so much. And I think the record that made him pop per se was what the Jim Jones certified G's or whatever. Which I mean has. Yeah. Which has LA aspects but he was with Jim Jones when the world was really introduced to him, not just la. So I think New York has always had a better appreciation for Game than maybe the rest of the country.

[Ben O'Keefe]

But I. I hear you. But if that's the case then Tyler the creator doesn't always sound like he's an LA artist. He does sound like he's an LA artist but he doesn't always sound like he's.

[Lord Jamar]

He definitely led the newer generation of la. They call it weird. I wouldn't call it weird but that separate like this isn't the stereotypical LA scene. He led that for sure which is where you get some of the new scene now. But Game at the time LA had been non existent for quite some time. Gang single handedly brought the west coast back and put a bunch of people on this list including the number one artist on their first mixtape on their first tour. Nipy. Everyone like Game not only did that shit by himself himself he brought a bunch of people with him. He wasn't on some selfish. It's just me. Like I remember Game mixtape when K Dot was on it he was meeting with Top with the J Rock like Game. If he's not top five the only other way he could be was higher.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, Vince State was at number 23 is pissing me off. Let me just go ahead and say it. He Needs to be a lot higher.

[Lord Jamar]

Say the pillars again.

[Ben O'Keefe]

The pillars are skill, like total skill, strength of a catalog, commercial impact, and lasting influence. And I think number three might be.

[Lord Jamar]

The commercial impact as well.

[Mila]

Yeah.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Might be what's keeping him.

[Godfrey]

Who has. All right, look at. Look at the people ahead of Vince. And who has more commercial impact than him? Who has a better catalog than him?

[Lord Jamar]

Catalog. You're gonna be tough.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Schoolboy does have a great catalog. YG does.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[Godfrey]

But I love Dom Kennedy. He's not above Vince Staples.

[Lord Jamar]

Some could argue with commercial appeal and Vince Staples. Dom has a great catalog.

[Godfrey]

Vince Staples has a great catalog. And he has a Netflix show Fair. That's not commercial.

[Lord Jamar]

But they're focusing on the rapping.

[Godfrey]

Come on, man. Vince need to be higher than that.

[Lord Jamar]

I appreciate Nipsey being at 10. 10 outside of him just being above the game, which was kind of nice. If Nipsey does not pass, is he at number 10? Lasting influence. I fully understand. Let's deal with what's tangible. I mean, over game is insanity. But even over YG game, Nipsey, respectfully.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Y' all gotta go to LA in a couple days.

[Lord Jamar]

I'm not suggesting that Nipsey does not belong on this list whatsoever. He. He has hit every criteria there. But I don't know if. Against YG with everything. If we're going off what they said, not off what the allure of everything is to the public.

[Ben O'Keefe]

So we've had this conversation before when people say that Jay Z wouldn't be Jay Z if Biggie had never died. But we'll never know because Biggie died. Right. So we'll never know if people would have. If the mass. Majority of America would have noticed how talented Nipsey was because he was severely underrated before he passed. Wouldn't have. We don't know if they would have eventually figured that out. They could have eventually figured that out. He could have had a hit that went off. Everybody went back to his catalog and said, oh, my God, Nipy has been one of the greatest for so long. That could have happened, or he could have continued to be underrated.

[Mila]

We.

[Ben O'Keefe]

We will never know because he did die, of course.

[Lord Jamar]

And let me be clear. I think the Victory Lap album was the one that was going to start his. His rise. I think that's when he finally got the recognition. Commercial recognition that he deserved. He was about to be the intro of a Khalid album. Like, yeah, he. Nipy was on his way for sure. I'm not saying because he passed. That's when Everyone started to give a what's. So I'm not saying that whatsoever, but over somebody like Game and YG by those criterias is a little crazy to me. Even Schoolboy, if we're going to get into it. As far as the older acts, I. I saw Punch tweet something. I wish they do it in eras. I agree with them because it is very tough to compare Corrupt to Vince stammering Staples. It's just completely different times. And like it's. It's odd. I don't even know how you would go about this. I also don't even know how you put a list like this together to begin with. But you know, chat gbt.

[Godfrey]

Chat gbt. You know how to put it together, man.

[Lord Jamar]

If we're going off skill alone, the fact that blue is at 49 is insane. The fact that crooked eyes at 46 is nuts. Will, I am. I think most of his impact did not come from anything rap related whatsoever. I thought Rascast was from the Bay.

[Godfrey]

I don't know.

[Lord Jamar]

I could be wrong.

[Godfrey]

I don't know what they doing with this list, man.

[Lord Jamar]

Drago the Ruler. I for Impact. Everyone in LA raps like him. You could make a case that he could be a little higher when it comes to Impact.

[Ben O'Keefe]

LA gonna kick our ass. Because they probably gonna be like, no, you're wrong. You're wrong.

[Lord Jamar]

All of LA was saying they were wrong. I mean, Game, Game included.

[Godfrey]

Then Game put his own list together.

[Lord Jamar]

Game did put his own list together. I love Game, which is such a Game thing to do. And I appreciate when Game does stuff like that.

[Godfrey]

They got Game outside the top 10, which is crazy.

[Mila]

Yeah.

[Ben O'Keefe]

I don't. That's why I'm saying, like it feels disrespectful. And that's why I'm wondering if there's like an underlying issue before we get to games.

[Lord Jamar]

Is it weird that Tupac is left off when people like Ice Tea? Ice Tea, Corrupt, who's from Philly, but of course moved to la and that's where he, you know, made his career. Exhibit is from like Detroit and New Mexico. Like literally not from LA whatsoever.

[Godfrey]

She's from Albuquerque. Right.

[Lord Jamar]

Like when you have people like that on there but then say Tupac isn't there, I can see why that would upset people. Even though Tupac. Tupac maybe lived in LA for like four. I think I've lived in LA longer than Tupac did. Like, I've stayed at the Mondrian longer. And I always felt like Tupac, if he was claiming the west coast was more the Bay than he was Los Angeles.

[Ben O'Keefe]

So they, they, they talked about that as well. In, in the article. They said that this putting together, putting this list together wasn't easy. LA is a transplant town. So what qualifies someone as an LA rapper? They said for this list, it's an artist who creatively came to life in the city and reflects its eth music. That's why some big names didn't make the cut. Tupac may seem like an LA rapper, but he only lived in the city for a couple months. Although he had some big hits under the Def Row banner, he was a fully formed platinum selling artist by the time California Love came out. So I think why they left some transplants on there and not Tupac, Is it because. Is because Tupac was already a fully formed artist before he moved to la, whereas the rest of them came up in la. So I feel like that's fair.

[Lord Jamar]

I'm not terribly mad at that. And again, if it was California, I'd be fine with Pac there because he spent so much time in the Bay. And that's where he started his rap career for real was in Oakland, Marin County. So. All right, I'm not mad at confidence.

[Godfrey]

Not why they left Pac off the list.

[Lord Jamar]

Why?

[Godfrey]

His first rap name was MC New York.

[Lord Jamar]

That's true.

[Godfrey]

You can't have a rap on your top LA list of all time. And his first rap name was MC New York.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah, okay, but all right, it can't do that just because you had a nickname. Like what? Find me the vinyl press of the emcee New York record. Like, yeah, that was a thing he said. Somebody, he said that in his head when he got to Baltimore. Like, that doesn't mean that was your rap name. I mean, you can't find an emcee New York song.

[Godfrey]

So now you saying, now you telling Tupac what his rap name was? See, that's what you white people do. They try to strip history no matter what.

[Lord Jamar]

Even when we telling you I fully, I fully disagreed with what his mother was doing. It's everything.

[Godfrey]

Like I'm just saying his. He said his rap name was MC New York.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah, but you can have a name.

[Godfrey]

Just because you can't go find a vinyl with two.

[Lord Jamar]

Because he didn't record any music under that.

[Godfrey]

Exactly. But I'm just saying that maybe that might be why Complex was like, nah, we can't do that.

[Lord Jamar]

Okay, but based off what they're saying about Xzibit corrupt. Yes. Those guys moved to LA and that is what started their Rap career. I'm sure Corrupt was rapping when he was in Philly when he was a kid, but you can't find those. So I'm fine with that crisis criteria. Tupac got to the Bay, got with Digital Underground and was Tupac. He wasn't MC New York with Digital Underground, he was Tupac. So I don't think it's because that was his name. I think it was because he really honestly spent like six months in la. He wasn't like really there. He was with a gang from there.

[Godfrey]

So where is he from?

[Lord Jamar]

I think Pac is one of those hybrids that, that just moved around. That's one of those people, you can't really say where they were from. I think that's why he like not, not like click hopped, but he did. Yeah. I don't, I don't think he ever really had a place that he could call home. That's why he rode for Death Row so much, because he finally found a group of people that he could like, also had his back. He went from New York to Baltimore, to Marin, to Oakland, then to jail, then to fucking LA and then Vegas. I think that was just his mentality was with different gangs. He never had a place that he could call home.

[Godfrey]

I mean, these lists are always interesting though, because just hearing the conversations going on around the people that's on it, the people that maybe should have been on there.

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[Godfrey]

The ace trumpets. The song is hard. I like that shit.

[Lord Jamar]

Produced by Pharrell.

[Godfrey]

The production is crazy. That's one of those. I want to hear. Like, I want to hear a few rappers take that and do something to that.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah, that would be. If this was still the freestyle era, there'd be 20 radio freestyles right now over that shit.

[Ben O'Keefe]

They've been asking us to get on it.

[Godfrey]

Who's us?

[Ben O'Keefe]

Me and Rory.

[Godfrey]

Who's asking for that?

[Ben O'Keefe]

They have.

[Godfrey]

Who's they? Damaris. You gotta stop saying it. Who?

[Ben O'Keefe]

The new Rory Amalfi.

[Godfrey]

Man, ain't nobody asking for that shit.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yes. To play off of our background thing that we. We impersonated when we impersonated Pusha.

[Godfrey]

Oh, my God.

[Ben O'Keefe]

They've been asking for us to jo. To jump on. So Rory, we gota.

[Mila]

We got.

[Lord Jamar]

We do that this week just cuz.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Ballerinas doing pirouettes inside my snow globe is something I would have said.

[Godfrey]

That's not nothing you would have said. It's absolutely nothing. You've never said that. You've never said nothing close to that.

[Lord Jamar]

When I heard. When I heard Nas Rewind, I was like, oh, I would have done that too. Like, no talk about.

[Godfrey]

I would have said. You've never said anything.

[Mila]

Close.

[Lord Jamar]

I would have. I would have approached the PSA beat the same way. J.

[Godfrey]

Like, what are y' all talking.

[Ben O'Keefe]

I'm just saying that's something I would have said.

[Lord Jamar]

That bar is crazy.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Malice went off on this record is.

[Ben O'Keefe]

My son said that's on repeat. Definitely was something I would have said. But yeah, Malice went crazy and he didn't curse the whole entire time. He's bringing real hip hop back.

[Godfrey]

Real hip hop. Okay.

[Lord Jamar]

The hip hop. I feel like they even cursed them rappers to like. Only. Only Will Smith didn't curse in his raps.

[Godfrey]

Broken vows everywhere.

[Lord Jamar]

That's explicit content for sure.

[Godfrey]

Yeah. No, that was crazy back in the day.

[Lord Jamar]

Talking about snow globe shit, too, for sure. I really love the record. I was a little Nervous with the whole Chad and Pharrell thing. Of course, we know Pharrell has produced plenty of shit by himself, but that was a thing. Coming up to this. Like, all right, we're getting a Pharrell produced clips album again, but there is no Chad in involved in this. I'm not mad. So far there, he's one for one. Pharrell is probably the best. Him and Swizz are the best at making the most simplistic beats sound incredible.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, this. No, the production on this. On this record is. Is incredible. Like, I like this record a lot.

[Lord Jamar]

I like the approach and pockets that they both picked. I'm really, really excited for this album.

[Ben O'Keefe]

What's your favorite lyric or your favorite bar?

[Lord Jamar]

It's the snow globe shift, for sure. But the Alibaba to Lady Gaga was insane to me too.

[Godfrey]

I mean, people online say Malice, he.

[Lord Jamar]

Got Push on this one, but that's not. I mean, Push got way better post the clips with his solo career.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Malice was always nice, but let's not.

[Lord Jamar]

Act like back in the day, no one was ever discrediting Push as a rapper. But Malice was always, always like the one Push would get him a few times. But I feel like Push has even admitted that his brother was the better rapper. Push just got much better with his solo career. So I'm really excited to see this one. But I feel like Malice got pushed on his last solo project. That Malice verse was one of my favorite verses of that year. 2022 or whatever malice is. Malice dog.

[Godfrey]

Like, no, no, no, listen. I'm very aware of the clips. One of my favorite groups. And this, you know, production with. With. With Pharrell is definitely, you know, it's good to see them still working together. And then the thing I'm most impressed of is how long they've been at it and how good they still sound. Like, that's it to me. That's like. You know, when they say this rap is a young man's sport. To a degree, yes. But when you have, you know, the clips and Pharrell still able to deliver and. And give us. Us joints that sound like this, it ain't no to me, it's no real. It's no young. No. Y N's can't give us this sound. They can't give us this talk. They can't. They not even this clever or this. This witty in their. In their bars and the entendres and things like that. Like, this is the type of rap that, you know, a certain sector, I think, appreciates In. In the community.

[Ben O'Keefe]

You gotta learn how to read. You gotta learn how to read. You gotta learn how to travel, and you gotta learn how to travel.

[Lord Jamar]

Drug dealing takes math.

[Ben O'Keefe]

No, but this isn't. I'm talk about rapping. It's not just about. They're not just rapping about drugs. They had to have read books, seen things, experienced things for your vocabulary to open up this wide for you to be able to make references about things from other countries. And yeah, you got to travel, you got to make money, you got to read. And even if you don't have the money, you got to read about the places that you can't travel. Reading is fundamental. And these new rappers don't read.

[Godfrey]

They can't read. They can't even talk. Have you heard some of these new artists, like, in Interview? Like, yo, you feel me? Feel me, Feel me, Feel me, Feel me, Feel me, Feel me. No.

[Lord Jamar]

I can't feel a thing.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, I can't. Neither can you, cuz you're on film. Me, feel me, feel me, feel me, feel me. Bro. Yo, bro, bro, this is a. A female you sitting across from. This is a woman. Fe. You feel me? Bro, bro, bro, bro. You know what I'm saying?

[Lord Jamar]

Bro, bro, not me.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Time.

[Godfrey]

What time I get your dumb ass up, man. Shut up.

[Ben O'Keefe]

But that's because they're on. They're on the drugs.

[Godfrey]

Drugs.

[Ben O'Keefe]

They're not selling the drugs.

[Godfrey]

They're on drugs. They're on the drugs and they're selling more drugs.

[Ben O'Keefe]

They're selling the drugs to their friends, Their friends selling them back. They just doing like drug switches.

[Lord Jamar]

Drug musical chairs.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Drug musical chairs.

[Godfrey]

Like, let me hold that pill I just sold you.

[Lord Jamar]

Same way. Yo, can I hold that chain for this video? Let me. Let me get just two of the perks, though.

[Godfrey]

Give me those two perks I just sold you.

[Lord Jamar]

And I mean, labels don't even have the staff to do media training. That's been done. Remember when they used to give Fab a lot of like, Fab was a media train. He's not good at interviews. The fabric smokes. Looks like Einstein compared to.

[Godfrey]

It's bad. It's bad. Like, they. I'm talking about.

[Lord Jamar]

He's Neil Degrasse Tyson compared to these.

[Godfrey]

Yeah. Like these, these, these new artists, these younger. A lot of these young cats, they. I mean, it's just like, my God, like you can't even hold a conversation. It's. It's sad. But, you know, it's good to hear the clip still in shape. I'm looking forward to hearing what else they got on this project. If it sounds anything like this Ace Trump is joint, then you know this is gonna be a good listen for me. Like, I appreciate this type of nostalgia and this type of. This type of attention to detail when you talk about rapping.

[Lord Jamar]

I appreciate this and I feel like Push, Malice and Ross, Even though there's a million entendres in this Ace of Trumpets record, those three rappers, to me are the best at saying very simple things and delivering it in a way that sounds so amazing. Soho shopping spree. You should have seen it. It's not even that crazy, but I was. I'm like, I was just on Broadway. How I missed that.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah, them and Drake does that really well.

[Lord Jamar]

You should have seen it. How do you deliver it that good? Like, Ross be saying some really basic shit, but it sounds better than all of your favorite rappers when they do complex shit. Pusha, Malice and Ross are masters at this type of shit. Very simple delivery. You catch every word. You may not catch the entendre, but you catch every single syllable word. It all sounds amazing.

[Godfrey]

The delivery and rap is very important.

[Lord Jamar]

Like Push as an elite MC still. Where were you when Big Meech brought the Tigers in? Like, he has more memorable stuff like that on top of his entendres. That separates him to me from everyone else. Like, they not doing rappity rap. Rap rap. They found a very specific fun. Fun. A fun pocket that a lot of people could fuck up.

[Godfrey]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Like, that could get tiresome for 32 bars. They are masters at that type of shit.

[Ben O'Keefe]

But see, that's why going back to.

[Lord Jamar]

Ross is too at that.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Going back to when we were talking about our complex list and they said skill and the majority of the pillars of skill, only one of them was actual pin. The rest of it was delivery. The way that you break it down like, that's a very, very important thing.

[Lord Jamar]

Eazy has one of the best deliveries ever. Even Dre's deliveries.

[Godfrey]

Incredible.

[Lord Jamar]

That horrible line, if. If I slip, then I slip Then I'm slipping. I'm still slipping. Awful. Bar delivered incredibly.

[Godfrey]

That hit back in the day, though.

[Lord Jamar]

I ain't going it still hits now, still hits now.

[Godfrey]

And if I got my nina and then you know I'm set TR and I'm g. Continue to put them rap down. Put the Mac down.

[Lord Jamar]

Snoop's fan was crazy. It's.

[Godfrey]

Your.

[Lord Jamar]

Delivery is important. I did. See, see, we spoke last episode that there was rumblings about a Kendrick verse from before. And then we thought because of the Roc Nation situation that they may have a Jay Z verse. I saw that Stove God tweeted that he is on the album. We know there's only two features, so I do not think we're getting a Jay Z feature on this. I believe it is Stove God which is confirmed. And I think that Kendrick feature from Chains and Whips when they did the Louis Vuitton fashion show that like Jim Jones diss, that was the one that Kendrick was rumored to be on. And then we never heard anything from it. Pusha T went and did an interview and said that they wanted to put this out last year, but when they brought it to Def Jam, this was right after the Drake and Kendrick beef. And they wanted Kendrick to more or less censor his verse because of everything that was going on. Push said that they got into some legality, which led to the clips getting off Def Jam as well as Pusha T getting off Def Jam.

[Godfrey]

Oh, wow.

[Lord Jamar]

Because of this entire thing. And they were able to shop it around and that's why there was a delay. Now, I'm sure there's always a bunch of different things behind the scenes that added to this, but that is kind of fucking insane.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

And according to Push or this article, I believe the bar isn't even that crazy. From Kedrick Therapy taught me how to open up. It also showed me. I don't give a fuck. I don't think it was the bars per se that they wanted to censor. I think it was Def Jam saying Drake's two biggest ops are coming together at this exact time to put a record out. Which kind of. I don't know. Do you think it contradicts or helps the lawsuit that Drake is going through?

[Godfrey]

Why would it contradict it or help it?

[Lord Jamar]

That. I guess this would be proof that they were aware of his brand and also wanted to protect it in the midst of this entire thing, which could go against it. But couldn't a lawyer also prove that they were very much aware when they said that they support both of their own artists and they would never stop an artist from doing anything. This does contradict what Universal said already.

[Godfrey]

For sure.

[Lord Jamar]

It does prove what Drake's lawyers were saying. And UMG was like, what? We would never. That's crazy. We would never get behind an artist. We don't treat any artist with any type of special privileges or anything. But that even though this is on Drake's side, it still is proving that that does happen.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[Godfrey]

But we knew that even if this didn't. If this never came out of Pushing, never made any mention of this happening. We know that that does happen.

[Lord Jamar]

I just. I don't know. Pusha, to me, is not a liar. I just think there has to be more to this than just this sentence. Because why, after a record that calls somebody on your label that word would you be upset about or try to block a clips in Kendrick song that doesn't talk. Talk about Drake whatsoever? Like, the damage was done. This wasn't going to do anything.

[Godfrey]

What was. What was the bar?

[Lord Jamar]

The only bar that they mentioned?

[Godfrey]

All right.

[Lord Jamar]

Def Jam, Sparrow Co. UMG said the optics of two of Drake's biggest enemies linking on wax Push calls their apprehension stupid, primarily because none of the bars in Kendrick's otherwise excellent verse could be perceived as a shot or even a sub. It does, however, contain the stellar line, therapy taught me how to open up. It also showed me. I don't give a fuck what.

[Godfrey]

That's stupid.

[Lord Jamar]

I actually love the writing of this. Pusha can barely contain his disgust, recounting the stalemate with Def Jam. They wanted me to ask Kendrick to censor his verse, which, of course, I was never doing. And then they wanted me to take the record off. And so after a month of not doing so, their lawyer said, well, we'll drop the clips, but they can't do that because I'm still there as a solo artists. If you let us all go. This is out of order. Sure enough, Def Jam eventually agreed to release the clips and drop Push as a solo artist, freeing the duo up to shop for a new home with a finished clips album and plenty more music in their pockets.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, I think that was just. I mean, could it be a thing where they just felt like the song wasn't good?

[Lord Jamar]

That Chains and Whips song was fire. It was premiered at the Louis Vuitton fashion show in Paris. That was the one that Jay Z and Beyonce. You could see they was writing lyrics in their head to it. Like, that record is. It's, like, leaked now. That not, you know, the highest version of it, but you can listen to it on YouTube now. And it was rumors at that time Kendrick was already on it. They just didn't play his verse in Paris. Nah, that record is. That record is too far.

[Godfrey]

I just think that that's. I don't. I don't understand any of that. I don't understand why. Why Def Jam would even. I mean, if he's not even mentioning Drake in the. In the verse, why would you even ask Pusha to. To have it to. To have Kendrick censored?

[Ben O'Keefe]

Like, I don't want to assume no matter what because of the time it was coming out. People would assume everything in it.

[Godfrey]

Okay, that's fine. People can assume whatever. But for the label to go to push and say yo, like tell Kendrick not what like that's just. To me, that's just okay.

[Lord Jamar]

Conspiracy. Did they already have some type of worry that Drake was going to sue them or heard rumblings after the beef that that would happen and now they're trying to cover their ass because this would be another point not to say it proves anything, but something you can put in the paperwork of. These are two people that have said very disparaging things about me. You're now releasing a record they have together and putting money behind it. I could see Drake's lawyers right after the beef.

[Ben O'Keefe]

It could have been added as a little by line in the.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah.

[Ben O'Keefe]

In the lawsuit.

[Lord Jamar]

Not to say that that like really does anything I think in Drake's lawsuit because it's like they didn't say anything about him. But yeah, I think. I don't know. Does it add more feel like. I feel like major corporations when there's a possibility they could even be sued down to like the smallest sample that could be debatable, they're gonna say no just to cover their ass like legal teams do. They don't even want to hear the music. They don't give a. About anything art related. They're just there to say no. So I could maybe see that being a thing because they were already heard possible litigation rumors of what was going on. It's like, all right, we really can't do this. Even though I don't think that's really a legal matter.

[Godfrey]

Yeah, I just, I don't know that, you know, Def Jam doing that is just. That's just. That seems a little weird. That's. That's. No, that's very weird. Actually. Not a little. That's very weird for them to approach Pusha and just doesn't make no sense. Like, especially if the line. He's not talking about him, not going at him in any type. It just doesn't sense.

[Mila]

Make.

[Godfrey]

Make any sense.

[Lord Jamar]

I mean. But if that's the case, man, like amazing to. To get off the label that way.

[Godfrey]

Oh no. I mean, I'm sure, you know, they're happy about it. You know, like, oh, like we basically got a. A free walk like we out of here. But it's just. I don't know, it just doesn't make. I feel like there's more to that story that just that.

[Lord Jamar]

That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's false. I just. There has to be more.

[Godfrey]

There has to be more to that. There has to be. That makes no sense to me, but.

[Lord Jamar]

Because. What are you censoring in the verse?

[Godfrey]

Exact. That's what I'm saying. It just like. I don't know, maybe he's just trying. Not trying to really get into it and, you know, whatever. But that part of the story to me is it has to be more than that. That makes no sense.

[Lord Jamar]

Well, I mean, between Chains and Whips, I assume now that they're off Def Jam, that song is definitely coming out with that Kendrick version. Worse. And then we also have the Stove God feature. So there's our two features.

[Godfrey]

I think there was a. I think there's another feature, though. I think the feature you were alluding to where they were saying when Pusher was saying he's waiting for the feature. You saying that you think it's a whole feature. I think Nas.

[Lord Jamar]

Okay.

[Godfrey]

I think a Nas. I think a Nas verse may be on this album.

[Lord Jamar]

Well, they kind of alluded to it in this article as well. The label love what they heard, except for the Kendrick Lamar guest verse on Chains and Whips, the final version of the song that Pharrell teased at his first LV Run Runway show. The song Pusha says was the first to come out of their sessions. Don't be fooled by Push's interviews appealing for one last guest verse and the Twitter jokes that he went to a GNX tour date to physically walk Kendrick into the nearest studio. K Dot's homework has been turned in for a while while now, so I think that's still coming out, as is the Chains and Whips thing.

[Godfrey]

Oh, yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

And they said there was two features, so a Nas one would be fire. But if they're sticking to that, I think we're only getting stove and Kendrick this stove.

[Godfrey]

God, that feature gonna be. Because, listen, man, it's not too many that could talk that. You know. Yeah, that winter talk, that. That snow white talk, like, stove.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Like, I am about to make a hundred thousand next.

[Godfrey]

Nah. Now you wanna. Now you want to be stole? Now you.

[Ben O'Keefe]

I'm about to go crazy.

[Godfrey]

We were calling her stove Mrs. Stovito. She got mad, so that was her ex.

[Lord Jamar]

Like, everything okay.

[Mila]

Well, because.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah, because y' all are making fun of, like, it's funny when y' all do it from, like, people who aren't from my hometown. Like, that's. It's not funny. But, yeah, I always Support stove. We about to flip some shit, boy. I'm about to make 100,000. I swear to God, I'm about to go crazy. It's about to be the most motivated song of all time.

[Godfrey]

About to make 100,000 doing what? Lashes. No, but do 100,000 lashes.

[Lord Jamar]

She gonna date a drug dealer that buys her the lash spot.

[Ben O'Keefe]

No.

[Godfrey]

You know, they can't wait to get that. Buy me my studio. Pay my boof rent.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Pay my boof rent.

[Lord Jamar]

Push said he might date our bitch in the end. Her rib out. Push is going to do everything for our girl.

[Godfrey]

Date your and pull her rib out.

[Lord Jamar]

And yank her rib out. Like, buy her new body, you know? Like.

[Godfrey]

Is that what that meant?

[Lord Jamar]

That's how I interpreted it.

[Godfrey]

Okay.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yes.

[Lord Jamar]

Unless you thought more romantic. And he was suggesting, like Adam and Eves, like they're. He. He's her rib now.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Or she do so much coke that she just give her real skinny. But I think he meant surgery.

[Godfrey]

Yeah. I don't want that girl that does too much coke. That she's skinny now, but we about to find.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Flip a brick. Why the head is crazy. Her back, her throat always numb and dry.

[Godfrey]

Cotton mouth. I'm cool.

[Lord Jamar]

This stove got Might buy a some new hips and yank your rib out.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Yeah.

[Lord Jamar]

Imagine push by a chick, some hips, then you come home and there's a rib on the counter.

[Godfrey]

Get a body done. I get it. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that stove feature, though. I'm looking forward to that. I got to hear the greasy talk on that stove. Was one of the few. Few that I feel like probably when it comes to that type of talk may be just a little slicker than push and malice.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Oh, shit. That's you. Okay.

[Godfrey]

Yeah. Like, if you go and listen to reasonable drought, like there's not many people that could. I was very impressed by Stove God on that entire project. Like, his cleverness, his wittiness. When it comes to that type of. Again, that certain talk is. I'm not saying he did it, but he had to. He was in the house when it happened. I'm not putting nothing on him. I'm not doing that. Cause N is listening. I'm not saying he did anything, but he may have been around because you can't just talk like that and not have been in close proximity.

[Lord Jamar]

Yeah. And the amount of coke entendres we've heard over the last 20 years, to be able to really revive of that genre takes a clever type of person. I feel like I've heard every coke bar on earth. And then reasonable drought came out, and I was like, oh, well, like what?

[Godfrey]

He said, it's what you do after the brick, bitch. I'm Draymond. Niggas don't even talk. Like, you can't even listen, listen, listen. No, I'm being serious right now. I'm not even trying to cause no jokes, no laughs. It's what you do after the brick, bitch. I'm Draymond. N. Don't rap. They don't talk like that. You can't. These rappers, not even they wi fi they bandwidth. Don't even let them go that to that. Like, you don't even talk like that. Like, that's. To me, that type of slick, you know, those lines is what separates stole from everybody else. But to have him with guys like, you know, Malice and Push, who do that very well, it's just gonna be interesting to hear.

[Mila]

And.

[Godfrey]

And. And I need to know rapper's etiquette. I need to know if Pusha and Malice's verse was done first. And after Stove sent his verse, did they change it?

[Lord Jamar]

I'm from a different era.

[Godfrey]

There's no way you saying that. And I hope so. I hope so. I hope we keeping it.

[Lord Jamar]

I think there's a world where Stove gets them for sure. I'm saying I don't like pushing Malice not change. They probably just gonna sit there like that.

[Godfrey]

I hope not. I hope they kept it rap. Keep it rap. You don't want you handed.

[Ben O'Keefe]

Okay, so as a race rapper's etiquette. All right, that's rapper's etiquette. You can't change your verse.

[Godfrey]

Can't change your verse after I said I send mine in. Because if I send my verse in and then now the song come out and your bars is different than when I got it, we're gonna have a real problem now. It's like, no, don't do that. Don't do that.

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