Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 8/25

Summary

New Rory & Mal: "Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 8/25"

Date: August 31, 2025
Podcast: New Rory & Mal (iHeartPodcasts & The Volume)

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Episode Overview

This "Best Of" episode showcases highlights from recent conversations on the New Rory & Mal podcast, offering fresh stories, humor, and signature hot takes. The main focus centers on authenticity in hip hop media, celebrity interviews (especially Drake), the nature of pop culture moments, generational divides in music, and lighter conversation around celebrity couples—plus some classic New York nostalgia and random comic relief.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Drake, Interview Culture, and Hip Hop Media (02:04–18:44)

• Why Drake Avoids Hip Hop Media: The discussion opens with Peach acknowledging why Drake might not want to sit with hip hop media outlets in the current climate, understanding his desire to control perception while avoiding tough conversations until his album drops (02:04).

  "I can be objective and understand why Drake would want to avoid hip hop media or avoid any real conversation until the time is right of when that album comes out." — Peach (02:04)

• Ideal Interviewers for Drake: Rory and Peach ponder with whom they'd like to see Drake engage in a real interview—listing names like Angie Martinez, Rob Markman, Charlemagne, and reflecting quality over access.

  "If Drake went to Drink Champs tomorrow, I'd be ecstatic." — Peach (02:36)
  "Angie creates a very warm environment, does not avoid questions...That's why she's a legend." — Peach (03:59)

• No Interview Will Satisfy Everyone: Rory notes the futility in public expectations—no matter who interviews Drake or which questions are asked, people will be unsatisfied.

  "People already have in their mind that don't like Drake...it doesn't matter what he says." — Rory (10:23)

• Real Friendship vs. Interviewing: The co-hosts discuss the difference between genuine relationships with artists and the transactional nature of interviews, expressing their disinterest in leveraging friendships for content.

  "I've never thought about sitting and talking to Drake on camera. It's never once crossed my mind." — Rory (07:10)
  "Truthfully, the things that we talk about, I wouldn't even talk about on camera." — Rory (08:14)

• Drake vs. Kendrick: Public Expectations: They compare Drake’s forward-facing, interactive style with Kendrick Lamar’s reclusiveness, justifying fans’ desire for more Drake interviews while respecting artist’s autonomy.

  "You can't name another artist at Drake's level that we've ever had access to the way we have access to him." — Peach (17:40)

2. The Shifting Landscape of Music Promotion & Legacy Acts (18:16–27:47)

• Artists Like DJ Khaled & Jay-Z: The conversation explores how the promotional landscape has changed—even for perennial hitmakers like Khaled, whose formula of nabbing iconic features is running thin.

  "I think with an artist like Jay, who's obviously a legacy artist at this point. Like, I just don't know what he does after a record or verse like God Did." — Rory (21:07)

• Rihanna, AI, and Music Industry Fatigue: They speculate on why stars like Rihanna aren't motivated to release new music, highlighting industry evolution, the rise of streaming, catalog sales, and the need for personal inspiration over financial necessity.

  "I think artists just realize this thing that we came in on...the music industry, it's changing." — Rory (22:41)

• Moments vs. Music: The ‘moment’ in music is now often outside the music itself, and legacy collaborations don’t hold the cultural weight they once did as audiences move on quickly.

  "Everything outside of the music is the moment." — Peach (25:52)
  "Once you hear the record, it's like we just move on." — Rory (26:49)

• Gen Z Influence: The hosts address the balance between satisfying long-term fans and staying relevant to younger audiences.

  "If you're gonna put your art into this space into the consumer space. You have to look at who's consuming it and a large part of the consumer base is the younger audience." — Rory (27:00)

3. Pop Culture, Celebrity Couples, and Podcasting’s Cultural Impact (33:00–41:01)

• Taylor Swift vs. Mariah the Scientist: Peach claims Taylor Swift writes better melodies, sparking playful banter about what music is acceptable to listen to in the car, and what it means about your vibe.

  "Taylor Swift writes better melodies than Mariah the scientist." — Peach (33:00)
  "If I get in Rory's car and he got Taylor Swift playing, we're going to have to have a conversation." — Rory (33:13)

• Celebrity Couple Engagements (Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce): The hosts satirically debate whether they, or anyone, truly care about celebrity relationships, admitting most of us only feel genuine happiness in relationships of those we know personally.

  "I truly don't think I've ever been happy for a couple that I didn't know." — Peach (35:26)

• Podcasting and Relationship Rumors: The start of the Swift-Kelce romance validates the “power” of podcasting, according to the hosts, since the rumor started on Travis’ podcast.

  "It did validate podcasting." — Peach (37:24)

• Wedding Gossip & Last Names: The hosts riff on the logistics of planning a high-profile wedding and the possibility of Taylor changing—or not changing—her last name.

  "One thing I can promise you is Taylor Swift is not losing that last name." — Rory (46:24)
  "Imagine that jersey [Swift-Kelce] in every seat of the stadium." — Peach (48:09)

4. Nostalgia, NYC Graffiti Stories & Iconic Moments (54:45–59:46)

• The Smokey Robinson ‘Happy Chinooka’ Cameo: A hilarious recount of the now-viral cameo in which Smokey mispronounces “Hanukkah” brings laughter and a riff on spelling, pronunciation, and Cameo-gig fatigue.

  "Happy Chinooka. I have no idea what Chinooka is." — Smokey Robinson via Peach (49:56)
  "This is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. Like, he can spell, he can pronounce, like, he can read. Like, Smokey isn't wrong here." — Rory (51:19)

• NYC Graffiti & Changing Neighborhoods: The episode rounds out with Smokey sharing stories from the old days—narrowly escaping beefs between graffiti crews, the culture of respect (or disrespect) across boroughs, and lamenting the loss of old NYC spaces to gentrification.

  "Back then, down there was really a melting pot....there was, like, real...going on. Like, it was like a real energy going on at that time down there. And I feel like now it's just like, all right, bro." — Smokey Robinson (58:13) "We're losing recipes." — Smokey Robinson (58:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On unmet fan expectations:

  "No matter what he says, no matter what he does, no matter what album he puts out, people already have in their mind that don't like Drake and that don't like...it doesn't matter." — Rory (10:23)

• On genuine friendships in the industry:

  "If Drake never gives me [an interview], sits down on the camera, I wouldn't give a fuck." — Rory (07:49)

• On the fleeting value of 'music moments':

  "Everything outside of the music is the moment." — Peach (25:52)

• On pop stardom invisibility:

  "Taylor Swift is not a regular person." — Peach (39:05) "I think that as big of a star as Taylor Swift is, if she goes to other countries, she just has this very, like, prototypical aesthetic where it's just like, she could be working in a library, a bookshop." — Rory (40:08)

• On podcast culture's real-world influence:

  "I think anything podcast related we are attached to as a genre and a culture and as a family." — Peach (37:54)

• On old NYC and gentrification:

  "We're losing recipes." — Smokey Robinson (58:58)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:04 — Drake's media avoidance & interview debate
• 03:59 — Angie Martinez as ideal interviewer
• 07:10–08:14 — Real friendship vs. interviews
• 17:40 — Drake’s public access and unprecedented exposure
• 25:52 — What constitutes a 'moment' in music now
• 33:00–34:55 — Taylor Swift, car playlists, and pop melodies
• 35:26–37:24 — Celebrity couples and podcasting’s hand in the Swift-Kelce romance
• 46:24–48:28 — Discussion of the Swift-Kelce last names and jersey potential
• 49:54–52:24 — The Smokey Robinson "Chinooka" story
• 54:45–59:46 — Graffiti rivalries and NYC nostalgia
• 58:58 — “We’re losing recipes.”

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Summary Flow & Tone

The episode mixes irreverent humor with thoughtful commentary on hip hop culture, artist authenticity, the changing music industry, and communal nostalgia. The hosts use sharp banter, a relaxed storytelling mode, and jump fluidly between heartfelt sincerity and sarcasm—never missing a moment to lampoon both themselves and the larger cultural circus they inhabit.

Whether you're a longtime fan or new to Rory & Mal, this “Best of” episode delivers lively debates, inside industry reflections, and plenty of laugh-out-loud pop culture moments—without ever losing their distinct voice.

Transcript

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[Peach]

See mint mobile.com the volume I can be objective and understand why Drake would want to avoid hip hop media or avoid any real conversation until the time is right of when that album comes out. And he does want to address everything. But you know, perception is still a thing, which I think Drake still cares about. Yeah, I don't want to hear. I mean I liked him and Bobby on the first interview, but for what?

[Rory]

Who would you like to hear him with us?

[Peach]

And they're just gonna flip this to be like I'm salty. Anyone? That if Drake Went to drink champs tomorrow, I'd be ecstatic.

[Rory]

I wouldn't.

[Peach]

If Drake WINS A Hot 97 Tomorrow, I'll be a static Drake went to Charlemagne tomorrow. I'd be ecstatic if. If Drake sat with Rob Markman, I'd be ecstatic. Like, I.

[Rory]

But Bobby, also, if you're not ecstatic.

[Peach]

Oh, I'm gonna watch it.

[Rory]

No, he. He doesn't want to. Drake, Rob.

[Peach]

No, I'm just trying to let you guys know it's. It's not a salty thing where I'm like, mad that Drake is. I'm not the person that's like, if Drake won't sit with me, yo, like, then him. The way they tried to paint Elliot when Elliot had pointed out, like, you're not sitting with anyone from the culture, and they took that as you're salty that he won't sit with you. When Ellie just said, somebody of the culture. I'm just saying I want the Drake interview that answers the questions that I have as a fan at the moment. I'm sure this Bobby shit will be funny. Their first interview was fucking hilarious. I've watched it more than once. It's very funny. I just don't really care at this point.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just don't. I mean, if you. No matter who you want Drake to sit with, once he sits with them, people are going to say, oh, they didn't ask him this. If he didn't talk about that, he didn't. And even if he does, even if they ask all the questions and that we all want to hear answers to, however Drake answers it, people going to feel away about that.

[Peach]

Listen, somebody going to be.

[Rory]

Think pieces about his answers. Somebody going to be perfect about his answers and his streams about how come he didn't answer this. It's like everybody just shut the up.

[Peach]

Somebody perfect right now. Angie Martinez. Angie creates a very warm environment, does not avoid questions, because Angie will ask you that shit. She will do it in such an amazing way. That's why she's so good. That's why she's a legend. It'll almost feel like it's a soft question, but she's really asking that she would be a perfect person.

[Rory]

Yeah. But then if. If he goes to sit with Angie, you know what they'll say? Oh, why he didn't sit with black boy Max? Why he didn't go sit with this person? Why he didn't go to Charlemagne? Why he didn't go to this.

[Peach]

I think, I think.

[Rory]

No, I think it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

[Peach]

I think fans now just want him to sit with somebody that is going to ask. I'm not saying like straight hardball. Knock it out the park, yo. Tell me how you found out if you think Whitney was abused. I'm just saying Bobby and she. It'll be like a Curb episode, which is fine. But I think fans want to hear from Drake now. Now. I think the goal post moves a lot.

[Rory]

Oh with him, it moves every. Every hour.

[Peach]

I very much enjoyed the conversation with SZA and Kendrick, but I hold Kendrick to the same thing. I want Kendrick to sit with somebody. Not that he has to, but yeah, that scissor conversation was great. And I get that was gq, right?

[Rory]

Bizarre. Harper. Is it Harper Harper or something like that.

[Peach]

I thought it was a really cool conversation between two incredible minds. But I also would love a Kendrick like I loved Nadeska sat with him talk too. Rob Markman.

[Rory]

Kendrick, Kendrick need to get about. You need to get up out just to let Kendrick sit right there. Let me talk to Kendrick.

[Peach]

I would love that. I think that'd be.

[Rory]

Let me talk to Kendrick. I got. I got some questions for Kendrick.

[Peach]

I think that would be great.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'mma ask Rob ain't gonna ask cuz me and Kendrick. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just. It's just different coming from my face than Rob's face.

[Peach]

First of all, I have told you.

[Rory]

Before, me and Kendrick are probably the same complexion. This is a little different.

[Peach]

If I ask him, um, which I want the world to know and appreciate you for this. I've told you off camera, if you. If Drake wants to do an interview with you, that's like, I won't feel away. I don't need to go. I don't need to be there. I don't need to produce anything like go do that. And you have said, which I love you.

[Rory]

Me by myself. Yeah, yeah.

[Peach]

And you said no, I would want. Which is cool. I'm saying I was leaving us out of it. I want Drake to sit with you. I would want Kendrick to sit with you.

[Rory]

I don't want to. I don't want.

[Peach]

I also think people would be surprised. I think you would ask Drake real questions. I don't think it would be what the Internet has painted you as, where it would just be getting off. Drake quote unquote talking points. I think you'd ask him real and I think it'd be a comfortable environment. And if he wouldn't want me there, I wouldn't feel no way. Well, just Bringing back some Tim Hortons and, you know, I don't know. No, I don't think it's some Toronto.

[Rory]

Women not wanting you there. I just, you know, I just laugh at certain shit that I read online sometimes, like, because I've never. Being honest with you, Rory, I've never thought about sitting and talking to Drake on camera. It's never once crossed my mind.

[Peach]

Why is that?

[Rory]

Because, I mean, our conversation and our exchanges are like that of me and any of my other homeboys, where it's like, I never thought about having my homeboy in front of a camera asking him the shit that we talk about. So I get Drake is who he is, but I don't look at it through that lens or look at it with that mindset. It's like, we speak, we laugh about shit, we talk about shit. He's trusting me with some of his music and some personal shit he's going through. But I think it's that because he knows that I'm not thinking interview. If Drake never gives me sits down on the camera, I wouldn't give a fuck.

[Peach]

Oh, no, but I know that part, right?

[Rory]

But people don't know that. So I'm saying it for people that don't know that. So I've never thought about, oh, damn, I hope he comes sitting. That's never once crossed my mind.

[Peach]

So when you don't think you have a real relationship with him, that's why they think you're doing it, to leverage an interview, Which I know is.

[Rory]

Which is fucking crazy, but that's cool. They could think that. But what I'm saying is, I don't. If you. If me and you didn't have a podcast together and you putting out dope albums and it's that. And third, and you had. Going through some. You my guy, I wouldn't be thinking like, damn, I hope Rory one day wants to come and sit on camera and we could have this. That shit doesn't even cross my mind.

[Peach]

With a real friendship, there's artists that I'm.

[Rory]

But now if you say, you know what?

[Peach]

I got some shit I want to.

[Rory]

Get off more, and I want to get it off with you.

[Peach]

Pause.

[Rory]

Set up the cameras. Pause.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

All right, cool. But I'm not in my mind. That doesn't even. You know what I'm saying? When I see people say, oh, he didn't. He got to give them all in. Why? Why? Like, I don't. Because truthfully. Truthfully, the things that we talk about, I wouldn't even talk about on Camera. I would never ask him that on camera. You get what I'm saying? Because I just don't think that people are even worth the answer.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

You know what I mean? Because it's like, okay, even if he says even if we get Drake, we get the, we get the Drake, let's paint the scenario for him. We get the Drake interview.

[Peach]

Gotcha.

[Rory]

We ask every question that's online every week.

[Peach]

Can we stay in Toronto for the week?

[Rory]

I don't. Wherever. Drake said bring the fucking interview.

[Peach]

That's what I'm trying to leverage him.

[Rory]

Wherever. I wouldn't give a fuck where we.

[Peach]

No, let's do it in Toronto. Even if he's in New York. Let's flat. It's wrong.

[Rory]

There's things that we've spoken about that I would never.

[Peach]

Oh no.

[Rory]

Ask on camera.

[Peach]

But I still think there's like basic shit that Bobby's not gonna ask. Or it'll be pitched as like a sarcasm. She'll be like. But she's like, who's this Kendrick guy?

[Rory]

Okay, she'll like. But even, even, even if she does that right, even if she asks the hard hitting questions, even if she gets.

[Peach]

To like Bobby asking her.

[Rory]

I'm just saying we had a pivot.

[Peach]

She'd go from that, that sarcasm, wet humor shit to, to Barbara Walker.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Peach]

She got a little work done.

[Rory]

She don't know. I don't know if she got work done. So you putting that. I don't know about that. What I'm saying is she got money. It's certain that I would never ask. I just would not ask. Like, it's just. I'm just not. I'm not.

[Peach]

It's.

[Rory]

But it's no.

[Peach]

Okay.

[Rory]

I guess that's serious to me.

[Peach]

I guess my point is the stuff that would be fine to ask, I think you would ask. And that's the stuff that people want to hear. The stuff that you know and you know only just y' all conversations. I don't even think that's the stuff people would even want.

[Rory]

Rory. Even, even in that. You know why it doesn't matter? Because even if he answers the question, you could ask whatever question.

[Peach]

It's never going to be tough satisfy anyway.

[Rory]

It's not going to satisfy any fucking body. No matter what he says, no matter what he does, no matter what album he puts out, people already have in their mind that don't like Drake and that don't like cool. It doesn't matter what he says. So when people get all worked up about him announcing who he's sitting down, talking to. I'm just laughing because I'm like, no matter who he talks.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

People are still gonna feel away about it. So that's why I'm just like, yo, I don't even think like that. Like, my thing is that I want great music and I want people to be happy in their lives and raise their families. That's. I don't care if he sits down or she sits down. With who. What? I don't care, bro. I really. That shit does not cross my mind at all. I don't care about shit like that.

[Peach]

What if Drake asked you to do Bobby's second episode? In the event that he is invested into this new venture, like, me and.

[Rory]

Bobby, sit down one on one.

[Peach]

You'd be the next guest. Like, how she went to, like, Drake and then Mark Cuban. It'd be like Drake and then Mole.

[Rory]

Oh, I would kick it with Bobby. Yeah. Why not?

[Peach]

I probably would. I wouldn't.

[Rory]

I mean, yeah, she seemed like. It seems like a cool. Like a cool conversation. Like, you know, I mean, like, what's the. What's the pushback there? Like, I don't really care that much. Yeah.

[Peach]

Like, I'm like, okay, call me a culture vulture. I did. I've definitely went on rants about Bobby. I just don't really care that much.

[Rory]

I'm just on rants about it.

[Peach]

In the beginning, it was a little. It was just a little weird, I thought.

[Rory]

What was weird? Oh, like, she was a plant. Like, where did she come from?

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah. It was more so that. And like, where her, like, the specific type of acts in the beginning that her team was focused on, and then she branched out and then had to come back to hip hop because that. The real reaction with that dry humor stuff came because she was coming from outside of the culture.

[Rory]

Right.

[Peach]

When she would do it with, you know, whether it be Bobby Lee or Mark Cuban or other people, she couldn't lean on that because you weren't getting the same reaction. Either the comedian was carrying it or Mark Cuban was just answering. Like, he wouldn't any interview. It just wasn't interesting the way it was when Drake is playing Rack City and she's like, I don't know who this is, or she's doing an awful bit. I forgot shorty's name of I'm a musician. I'm a magician. Which I don't even understand why y' all found that. Like, that was such a bad stage bit. So, yeah, I've definitely had some Pushback. But what I do with Bobby's interview. Yeah, I don't like. I don't care that much.

[Rory]

I just don't know when people get so worked up about these things, I just don't know who they be wanting. People like, who do y' all like? You can't sit and talk with everybody. Like, no artist can sit and talk with everybody. So when people get upset, oh, he's not talking to me from the culture. He's not talking. He sat and talked with one of his close friends, Yachty. They had a conversation and they. They kicked it up.

[Peach]

That was pre beef, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. Okay, so now post beef, they want. Who do. Who do they want?

[Peach]

No, I think that's everyone's point, that Drake was very much talking to everybody in the culture pre beef. And now that that happened, it's only been streamers that are not of. Not even just hip hop, just not music, period. So it. It appears like you're avoiding any type of question that would be asked, which, by the way, I'm fine with at the moment, because I think there's a time and place when you can address those things, and I think it should come with the album. If he wants to just kick it with streamers now and just make a little pot shot jokes every now and then, cool. But at some point, I think he needs to sit down with somebody.

[Rory]

I think he does, and I think.

[Peach]

He will, and I'm fine now.

[Rory]

I also don't feel. I also don't understand how at some point I also, I'm with you. I also, I'm with you on that as well. But I just don't understand how people don't see the side of it where somebody like Drake and what he, you know, is going. Currently dealing with and going through, what he went through and what he had to sit back and watch people support and amplify. And I don't understand how people don't see how he's turned off and like, I'm never with them again. I'll never kick it with them again. I'll never go to that radio station again. I'll never sit down. How do people not see that?

[Peach]

Oh, I see that.

[Rory]

Because, see, the thing is, people are taking it. Oh, it's just hip hop.

[Peach]

It's just rap.

[Rory]

It's just entertainment. Cool. But you're not the person standing there that has to watch people support a message about you. That, again, is the most egregious, most disgusting thing they could ever put on a man, especially a father. How do People not factor that in. Like, maybe he's never going to Hot 97 again.

[Peach]

Oh, maybe he's never. Fifteen years ago, I was just.

[Rory]

So.

[Peach]

I was just bringing in other.

[Rory]

But I'm saying, why do people not. Why do people feel like he should just get over it.

[Peach]

Oh.

[Rory]

And just move on and just sit down with everybody and talk that.

[Peach]

Why don't I just said just one.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm just, I'm just. Even the question, like, why do people. People don't factor that. We want to hear from him.

[Peach]

Because, because when you get somebody that.

[Rory]

Is of that, why do you want to hear from him? So he can answer questions. People be like, nah, he's lying. He ain't. No, that's not how you feel. Yo, he's lying. Nah, he don't. Why are you suing the. Nah, you suing the labels. You a sn. You a rat. You a snitch. What. What the fuck are we talking about here?

[Peach]

And obviously, I'm not saying Kendrick hasn't done little Easter egg stuff like the super bowl promo or anything, but for the most part, he stays quiet and off social media. Whereas Drake with the Iceman episodes, there's a bunch of things still regarding the beef Instagram, he's talking about it a lot. He says stuff on stage. Certain times he's. He's wearing certain outfits that address it. That's where I think people want more from. It's like, all right, if you're going to keep constantly reminding us every day about this, plus all the lawsuit stuff that goes out every day, people want to hear from Drake. I don't think think it's crazy for fans to want to hear from him when he also constantly, in his own way, brings it up as well. Whereas Kendrick, not to say he's quiet all the time, he finds different ways to go about it. Less energy over there because he's kind of to himself. Whereas Drake is forward facing with it. Even when he's talking to these streamers about gambling or throwing low shots.

[Rory]

Like, no, the difference is Drake is.

[Peach]

The biggest artist in the world and constantly addressing it.

[Rory]

Well, should he not? No, I think he should.

[Peach]

I'm just, I'm answering why people would want to hear from Drake.

[Rory]

They're going to always want to hear from the biggest artists in the world.

[Peach]

Sure. But specifically, that's why the, the Rap Radar interview was so heralded. Outside of BDOT and Elliot doing a great job in that interview and asking every question we wanted to hear, there was a lot going on in Drake's life at that time, whether it be his kid, whether it be the Meek Mill, whether it be the Pusha T shit. Like a lot was going on. Where we want to hear from the biggest artist in the world and this is the first biggest artist in the world that we've had access to. You can't name another artist at Drake's level that we've ever had access to the way we have access to him. No other a lister of that magnitude has been on social media the same way. Same way he'd be outside like that's where things are a bit different. Like even with Madonna who was kind of outside like that, she was still like, you still question. You still didn't know what was going on. Like you didn't know she was dating Hazen Jack. If she had Instagram, maybe you would be like, yo, I have questions.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Why are you walking out with Haitian Jack? Why are you on live with Haitian Jack right now? Things would be different. But yeah, he's forward facing. He's the most forward facing star we've ever had in music.

[Rory]

I asked the question to you so.

[Peach]

People, once they get a taste of that now you gotta live in this world.

[Rory]

No you don't.

[Peach]

I'm saying from a fan perspective.

[Rory]

Yeah, but fans got to understand that the artist is not. Doesn't have to move. When you say move and do what you say do and sit with who you say.

[Peach]

Of course, that's all. Yeah, no, of course.

[Rory]

Callan ain't doing no pod. What you don't think.

[Peach]

I think this will be the first run cuz things are a bit different for that he would have to go on a proper press run.

[Rory]

Why are things different?

[Peach]

Because I think him as the promotional machine isn't what it was before because he's pulled back a bit like during the vine days. And was it vine that he got super popular on? It was before Tick Tock.

[Rory]

Snapchat.

[Peach]

Snapchat. Like he could go on Ellen. He could do. Which he probably still can. But he would like he was himself the entity. He didn't need to like the press run was happy to have him, not the other way around. He's pulled back from a lot of that stuff. So I think he now needs to go back to the press.

[Rory]

I mean, which is fine. I mean I think Khaled is in a. Very. Obviously, you know, we, we with Khaled, but I think this may be like to what you're saying. I think he's in a very different space now though.

[Peach]

Yeah, I Mean, I felt since Father of Assad, which I thought was a really, really good album, that it's kind of been wishy washy. Like there's joints but they're not as good as the previous Khaled projects. And he's been fine. Like maybe he doesn't hit number one because of a Tyler album, but he still has like joints. I, I've seen Khaled fail with two albums by Khaled standards. Not by I could dream to do the numbers that Khalid does, but. And he's fine. Like he still comes back. People are still going to listen to a Khaledo. He's still going to get all the A list artists.

[Rory]

Is it?

[Peach]

I think so.

[Rory]

I think we know one that he doesn't have.

[Peach]

Well, yeah, I mean he kind of went out on a limb there. But if you look even then, has Drake given anyone more music besides maybe Ross and a lot of those records are racalet records. Like.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean when I say he's in a different, like he doesn't have the two Drake records that he probably was banking on.

[Peach]

I mean he got one of the most iconic Jay Z verses of the last 15 years.

[Rory]

I don't think Jay Z will give him another verse. I think that was Jay's. I think Godz did was Jay's like, you gotta think about it, Jay performed that record at the Grammys outside of like the whole like Crypto arena. Like, you know what I mean? Like he really gave Khaled like a whole thing.

[Peach]

I didn't like that they put Friday at the kids table with John Legend.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean to the point of not having Drake records that you obviously were banking on. I don't think he'll have another Jay Z verse.

[Peach]

Here's the thing though. I didn't think on God did he would get a Jay Z verse and he got a four minute Jay Z verse. If I'll admit when I'm wrong and I probably said it on the podcast, I was like, ain't no way he getting another Jay Z. Like I just didn't feel like the timing was there or Khaled was even focusing on music like that at that point.

[Rory]

Point.

[Peach]

And then he got one of the greatest HOV guest features ever.

[Rory]

Which is why I think he won't get another one. I think that was Jay's like.

[Peach]

But Jay will do things. Jay will give verses to his investments. And that's why you get two Beyonce and Jay Z records on two different Khaled projects. One with future like he's invested in Khaled. He manages Khaled. So, yeah.

[Rory]

But I still don't. Again, with an artist like Jay, who's obviously a legacy artist at this point. Like, I just don't know what he does after a record or verse. Like, God did. Like, now what? We gonna give us another. I got the keys. Like, you don't really. To me, God did just feels like this is my. I'm bowing out. Like, I'm done. You know what I mean? What else? What else? What other type of song could Khaled or Jay make for Khaled? You know what I mean? I just don't understand where you go from there.

[Peach]

I don't think he should pivot to the younger, younger audience. I think throwing them in the mix a little bit is whatever. But Khaled's real connections of where he can have moments is when he gets legacy acts, I. E. Getting a Jay Z verse to be the intro on his album last time. That was the moment. I mean, Rihanna technically, I guess, was legacy when Wild Thoughts came out. But having moments like that, having Alicia Keys on your project, having, like, all these crazy A list names that don't usually do shit, will be like, all right, I'll give my verse for the year or my record for the year to Khaled. I don't know if the younger generation gives a fuck about that. But I also don't know if legacy acts are running to do that anymore either. Like Rihanna, it took us a Smurfs movie that she was fucking heavily involved in to get a record out of that. I don't know if she's doing a Khaled album. I mean, do you think she would get on there?

[Rory]

I don't think Rihanna is making music because Rihanna realizes or feels like it's just not worth her time. The music industry is. It's a dying thing. Like, what is the music industry? You see all these artists from years ago. Rory. We've seen everybody selling their catalog.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And we didn't know why. Why are people selling their entire catalogs for. Because it's like, if I can get this much money for this music now with a way. With the way streaming is affecting, you know, things and how arts are paid. AI. I think artists just realized, like, this thing that we get, we came in on with this thing called, you know, the music industry, it's changing. I don't think that somebody like Rihanna, obviously, she doesn't need the money. So it's like, it comes. It comes to think, is she inspired?

[Peach]

Yes. That's what I think it comes down to.

[Rory]

But why is she not inspired? Because of all the bullshit that surrounds it. The way people move on from music so fast now. It's like you could put out a classic album right now, and people will be done with it in a month.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So it's like when the artists that, you know, like legacy artists, Rihanna, Jay Z, whoever else the legacy artists are, you can see why they would not be inspired to put out new things if they're making so much money in other areas. Rihanna is, you know, on top of the beauty world right now. Billion dollar industry. Like, she doesn't music to her. It has to either inspire. She has to be inspired, or just at a point where she's just, like, totally in love with the sound that she found in the studio and the things that have come together as far as the songs. But to just be like, rihanna, give us an album. She's not doing that. Artist, like, that is not doing it because they feel like, yo, it's not what y' all think it is. As consumers, us on the outside, well, we know a little bit more about the industry, but the average consumer doesn't realize the business. The music business is not what it once was.

[Peach]

But that was the beauty of the Khaled album or the Khaled single, I. E. A Hove Like, I have no interest in putting out an album this year, but there's plenty of things I do want to say that I don't address unless I'm putting music out. No, I know, but I'm saying in Rihanna's.

[Rory]

But only because people, you only have.

[Peach]

To be inspired by one record. Or you could have one record on your hard drive that you love. And it's like, I have to wait to put this out because it needs to be surrounded by something. But that was the genius of the Khalid project. Like, even the Jay Z and Beyonce Shining record, which I think is incredible. It's one of my favorite Jay Z and Beyonce collabs. I don't think they would have ever put that out had it not been around something specific.

[Rory]

It has to make sense.

[Peach]

We got Beyonce rapping with Future and HOV on Top Off. Like, that's not coming out unless Beyonce is doing something or Jay Z is doing something.

[Rory]

Right.

[Peach]

Khaled gives those opportunities. I just don't know if anyone's, like, running to care for that in the current climate, which is not a knock to Khaled. It's a knock to the climate. But I mean, Rihanna putting out that smurf thing. I don't think she's inspired her. I think she would have put music out because, again, she doesn't need the money. She doesn't have to march to anyone's drum. She can do where the she wants to inspire.

[Rory]

She do whatever she wants.

[Peach]

She wants to put out Celtic reggae. She could do it because it's Rihanna.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I feel like she would do that with a Khaled album if that was a thing, that. If those moments mattered anymore. I just don't know if moments are a thing in the music industry anymore.

[Rory]

What are the moments?

[Peach]

Everything outside of the music is the moment.

[Rory]

Is it just us seeing, like, artists names featured together on a song that we never thought, like, okay, we never thought we would see these two work together. Like, that's a moment. Okay. We got to hear what that's about, what they did. But again, even with that, once you hear the record, it's like we just move on. The consumers, the average. We just move on from things so fast now. Things don't sit with us. That's why. Back to what I was saying, I don't really care if Jay puts out another album, because I know what's gonna happen. The people that grew up with Jay and that love Jay and hold him to high regard, we're gonna love it. But there's a whole new generation now, and people that have platforms and spaces and they don't care about Jay like that. Like, they don't hold him to that regard like we do. Like Cardi just did the sample, the record Imaginary players. That song started charted again. That's the first time some people ever even heard that Jay record.

[Peach]

Yeah, but again, with someone like Arianna or Jay, why would their mind move to the younger generation? Why would they even care about that?

[Rory]

I mean, not that they don't care, but to an extent, you have to care about the younger generation because it's a large part of the consumers. It's a large part of the people that are influencing the sound and the new trends and things that are going on. Even the slang, the way people talk, the way people dress, it's always gonna lean a little younger. That's just how it's always been. So you have to kind of be in tune with what the new generation is kind of doing and what they're into now. Not that you have to care. I don't like Jay and Rihanna. These people are. You know, life is set forever for these people. But I'm just saying, if you're gonna put your art into this space into the consumer space. You have to look at who's consuming it and a large part of the consumer base is the younger audience.

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[Peach]

But I would say Taylor Swift writes better melodies than Mariah the scientist.

[Host 1]

Okay, you would like bump Taylor's before Mariah's.

[Peach]

What do you mean by bump?

[Host 1]

Like bump like play like in a car.

[Peach]

Oh, okay. Because Mariah first on a lot of those.

[Rory]

If I get in Rory's car and he got Taylor Swift playing, we're going to have to have a conversation. What's up fam?

[Peach]

I probably knocked Bad Blood in in the whip before. Okay, all right, now we don't like Bad Blood.

[Rory]

No, no, you know I, I like Taylor Swift. I'm just saying if I get in.

[Peach]

My home, that's a, that's a in the act legend. You could throw on Bad Blood for sure. Nobody that's knocking with, with the 12.

[Rory]

Inch subs in the back that is knocking for Shayla Swift and an accurate legend that has never, that has never happened with no on my same playlist.

[Peach]

With Coog rap Survival the Fist.

[Rory]

Yo, playing that bad Coog rap is crazy. Like, yo, what's up man? We all like. What's the vibe like what you going through in your car? If you go from Cool G rap to Taylor Swift.

[Peach]

I actually feel like I should get more into Taylor Swift. I, I don't like boycott. I'm not a anti Taylor person. I just haven't taken the time to like get into her catalog. I'm sure I would probably like it because I love pop music.

[Rory]

I like Taylor Swift. But I mean I gotta be, I can't be at that. I gotta be doing something like I gotta be in Target or something like that. I gotta, you know you have to.

[Peach]

Be waiting in line to start where they selling cd.

[Rory]

Yeah, toiletries. I gotta. Because she helps you. I feel like Taylor helps you remember that you need paper towels. Like when you go to Target and you push in the car and you walking around and you like Taylor's, she's gonna say something where you be like paper towel. Yeah, you gotta go get the paper.

[Peach]

Start thinking about your ex. And I get Ex never had paper.

[Rory]

Towels in her crib. Yeah. That's why I like Taylor. She helps you get your crib together, get your home together. Speaking of getting at home together, congratulations to Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce announcing their engagement. I think that that was big, great, happy news over the week, so. No, you didn't think I was happy for them, man. They look like they're happy. Like they enjoy each other, like they're having a great time and. And doing life together.

[Peach]

So we got to. We have to stop this.

[Rory]

Congrats to them. No, like, they're having a really good time together and really enjoying each other.

[Peach]

We all just need. We need to stop lying, myself included, on this podcast. As far as you were not happy for them.

[Rory]

I was. I was happy for Travis.

[Peach]

You would, like during this week when he was just quiet by yourself, he was like. You felt a sense of joy.

[Rory]

Yes. That was beautiful news. I was so happy.

[Peach]

You scrolled past it and then just kept going.

[Rory]

I was so happy for Travis. I was so happy for them. I was like, you know what? Good for them, man. Like, make it official. Get married, have beautiful children and enjoy life.

[Peach]

I. I truly don't think I've ever been happy for a couple that I didn't know really, by the, like, the actual, like, how, like, I felt a sense of joy when two people found love unless I knew them.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Peach]

Like, this is good.

[Rory]

I mean, good for them. Yeah, but that's what I said. It's a great. It's great for them.

[Peach]

Like, I think. I think Travis's mom is happy. I wouldn't.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I wouldn't say I'm happy.

[Rory]

Yes. You know that they're getting married.

[Peach]

I don't care.

[Rory]

Okay. Yeah, exactly.

[Peach]

But.

[Rory]

Yes, but you don't do that. Don't do that. Cuz if Mariah and Thug get married tomorrow, you gonna come in here crying. So don't do that.

[Peach]

Cuz you did cry when she left the stage when Thug got out, and she was like, I gotta leave the bar place right now.

[Host 1]

Cried. Because she cried. She was crying and I was crying. It was an emotional stadium. Yeah, it was emotional stadium. Her boyfriend had been locked up. She found out right then at that moment, that day that he was getting out. Like, she was crying. It was emotional. I was very happy for her.

[Peach]

Yes.

[Host 1]

At that moment.

[Peach]

I got an emotion of some things that I got.

[Rory]

You're not gonna be happy for if she. If she announces that she.

[Peach]

She.

[Rory]

She got married?

[Host 1]

Aww. I hope you like. I don't. Okay, so When I say, like, genuinely happy, like, if I scroll past some shit, like, I'm thinking, like, when I put my phone down, I'm still in a good mood. When I like, oh, my God, I'm really happy for them. Like, that changed the trajectory of my day. I don't give a fuck about nobody else getting married. Ain't no ring on my finger.

[Rory]

And with that attitude, it won't be.

[Host 1]

Because I'm not happy for strangers.

[Rory]

Exactly. See, you receive what you give. Reciprocity into the universe. Right, Exactly. See, you got to be happy for others so that others can be happy.

[Peach]

So you shouldn't, you know, work on yourself, set your boundaries, and find your soulmate. You should just, like, clap for celebrities when they get engaged. That. So then that way your soulmate will then find you.

[Rory]

Well, it's kind of like, because we saw the. The start of this, we followed it. We kind of like, okay, cool.

[Peach]

We thought it was a joke.

[Rory]

Yeah. We thought it was a PR stunt and all of these things, which it might still be, but, you know, it's. It's okay. I will say married.

[Peach]

Okay. It did validate podcasting.

[Rory]

Why?

[Peach]

So I'm happy about that because he jokingly wasn't. This whole thing started when he was talking with his brother, like, about Taylor, like, nah, she's. She cute. Didn't that start the whole thing? He was on a podcast.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

It wasn't because he had four touchdowns that week. He talked about it on a podcast.

[Rory]

Nothing to do with it.

[Peach]

That legitimately started the rumor conversation. And then they ended up meeting because it became a running joke on the Internet.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

And then love was found.

[Rory]

So we put them together. Yeah.

[Peach]

I think anything podcast related we are attached to as a genre and a culture and as a family.

[Rory]

It's a culture family. See, family is getting engaged. They get. They got engaged in marriage, fan.

[Peach]

Now, if Travis stops podcasting after he gets married, then he's a culture vulture.

[Rory]

Yeah. Then he's out of here. Then we kick that.

[Peach]

Yeah, I can't. Like, you just. You used us to go find love with, like, I guess some. Some people like her.

[Rory]

Yeah, some people.

[Peach]

And then you just. You left. You left us all hanging. If the entire podcast community is not invited to the wedding, then I do feel some type of way. I feel like that's. We're owed that at least. Like, you think Travis and them got the same CPM if we didn't put the legwork in first. Like, do they even. Does Taylor even hear their podcast without us? That's where I'm at with this whole shit.

[Rory]

Oh, where do you.

[Peach]

How do you plan a Taylor Swift wedding?

[Rory]

It's a big wedding.

[Peach]

I was talking to the last time how they even do Thanksgiving. I would be so scared. And if I was Travis right now, how do you do a Taylor Swift one?

[Host 1]

I'm sure it's so much less work than you think.

[Rory]

It would be.

[Peach]

Like, Bono has to marry us. Like, I don't even know how you do this.

[Host 1]

Like, just. They're regular people. They like regular stuff.

[Peach]

Taylor Swift is not a regular person.

[Host 1]

She's a human.

[Peach]

I agree that she is a human.

[Host 1]

So outside of the security measures, I'm sure she just wants, like, normal girl stuff.

[Rory]

They gonna go somewhere to another country with people that don't even know who they are.

[Host 1]

There's no country they will go to where people don't know who Taylor Swift is. But I hear what you're saying.

[Rory]

Nah, you go to some countries and they might not know. Remember when Beyonce and Jay was walking to the Louvre, and he's like, who are you? And Jay was like, who are you, homie? Didn't know. He didn't know who Jay and Beyonce was.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but Jay and Beyonce aren't Taylor Swift. And that's no disrespect to Jay and Beyonce. That's no disrespect to Jay and Beyonce.

[Rory]

That is crazy.

[Peach]

I think there would be countries where people wouldn't know Jay Z. I don't know. Taylor Swift's a little different. I feel like you go to Antarctica and the penguins gonna know who Taylor is.

[Rory]

You don't think if. You don't think if Jay and Beyonce go to Antarctica, they're gonna. Somebody's gonna.

[Peach]

Jay was on the N train going to the Barclays, and this one, the woman was like, yo, you famous? And he's like, sort of.

[Rory]

I just think that. I think that as big of a star as Taylor Swift is, if she goes to other countries, she just has this very, like, kind of, like, prototypical aesthetic where it's just like, she could be working in a library, a bookshop. She could be a barista at a coffee shop. Like, she has this look about it that just fits in, like, you know what I mean?

[Peach]

Like, it's like she could be Sarah Jessica Barker's daughter more or less Every white woman.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Type thing. But, I mean, she's still Taylor Swift. There's gonna be, like, Navy seals around her. So everyone's like, who the fuck is that?

[Rory]

I think it's easier for Taylor Swift to walk around in Manhattan, kind of like, dress down, just chilling, like hoodie than it would be for Beyonce. No, I think Taylor Swift. I think Taylor Swift could fit in in Manhattan way before Beyonce.

[Host 1]

Oh, well, okay. So, yes, in disguise, right? I think in disguise, I'm just.

[Rory]

No, just dress down. Like. No glam, just like straight up. Like sweats, you know, jacket, whatever. Going to like the store, get something, like some groceries.

[Peach]

So mom used to be in the scene before Beyonce.

[Rory]

I don't think so, man.

[Host 1]

So this is the thing.

[Rory]

I think Taylor Swift fits into Manhattan way more than Beyonce. So this is the thing. Beyonce stands out.

[Host 1]

We have this thing, right? And this is a. It's not a racist thing, but there's this thing where you know how white people think all black people look alike? Black people kind of think all white people look alike a little bit. And it's like to white people, they.

[Rory]

Will notice taters Rory and Peach look just alike.

[Peach]

Who you think that is? That is actually very true. Look a lot alike.

[Host 1]

White people say that me and you are twins all the time. They say I look like mall with hair all the time. All the time. That happens.

[Peach]

You don't.

[Host 1]

I swear to. That happens a lot, though.

[Peach]

Yo, if first day of the POD walked in and if I told y', all, yo, this is my older brother Peach, nobody would question it.

[Rory]

No, nobody.

[Peach]

Same parents. They'd be like, yes, this is his older brother.

[Rory]

But never question. I'm like, of course that's your brother.

[Peach]

If y' all told me that, I would go, and this isn't a racist thing. They must have different fathers, different mothers. Yeah, see, because you guys don't look alike.

[Rory]

That's what I'm saying. We both actually.

[Peach]

It's not racist.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but I'm telling you that white people recognize the faces of other white people.

[Peach]

Listen, man, Dude, Taylor swift is also 5 10. We have to add that factor in a 5 10. White woman walking down the street. You're gonna sort of look.

[Rory]

That's regular Manhattan. You know how many models live here?

[Peach]

I know. And you look at the 510 model, no matter what, and then you go, oh, that's Taylor Swift.

[Rory]

Right past them at Puerto Vida every week. My avocado toast and smoothie. I don't pay them no mind. Tell us what might have been sick.

[Peach]

And racist and hate white women.

[Rory]

No, I love white women. I'm just saying Taylor might have been sitting in there, and I didn't even know that was her. If Beyonce's sitting in Puerto Vita, but.

[Peach]

We'Re also not the.

[Rory]

I'm like, yo, Beyonce's in Puerto Vida getting avocado toast right now.

[Host 1]

Because she's more relevant to your life.

[Peach]

Yeah, that's a 13 year old girl.

[Rory]

But she's gonna catch my eye though, is what I'm saying. I'm gonna look. If Taylor Swift was sitting down. I'm not. I'll look and just keep like, do.

[Host 1]

You know why you're going to look? Because Beyonce is your type and Taylor Swift is not.

[Rory]

That's not true. That's not. Because it's a type thing. She's just gonna catch my eye. Like I'm just gonna like glance and look. Like I'm not gonna. It's like a kind of like a. If you have blinders on, like, you see it, but you don't really like Taylor. She fits into the aesthetic a little more. Like where it's like, you're not gonna really like. Whereas Beyonce. I'm gonna be like, oh, shit. Like, Beyonce was just standing right there. That's Beyonce right there with Taylor. She could walk right past you and you wouldn't even really.

[Peach]

But in a non creepy way. Everyone in this room, when they see an attractive black woman looks at them. So yes, I would.

[Rory]

Yeah. But if I would, I would look.

[Peach]

Like, oh, God, that's Beyonce.

[Rory]

But Taylor's an attractive white woman and I would look at that.

[Peach]

So I said we shouldn't be the gauge of this. Even though I think if I saw Taylor Swift walk down the street, I go, holy shit, this Taylor Swift. And I think everyone around me would do the same thing. It's a tourist city too. People got their kids. Their kids would immediately be like, this fucking Taylor Swift.

[Host 1]

Yeah. A teenager would immediately recognize Taylor Swift before me.

[Peach]

She couldn't take one step out the Eminem store. Whereas I do feel like Beyonce could maybe get to the steps at Times Square before. Yeah.

[Rory]

Who's the mo. Who's the person you saw in public for the first time and was like, oh, shit. And they were like, just like kind of like blending in. Like, not like an event that they were doing, not like a show.

[Peach]

Chris Rock. When we did our. Our trailer for our Atlanta, that was.

[Rory]

That was hilarious.

[Peach]

But I've seen Chris Rock on Bleaker, like just walking like that. Chris Rock, like, he does that in Soho and does blend in. But everyone is like, oh, if you double take, that's Chris Rock. He's probably the one, I think the most in the city that I've seen other than that. Like, I don't know if I've seen celebrities like that.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I haven't really seen celebrities like.

[Peach]

The people that tell unless we were at an event.

[Host 1]

Not like just outside. If we were at an event, we see them all the time. But just outside, I really haven't seen them. I've seen like, famous, like, tick tockers and content creators, but not really.

[Peach]

When Beyonce was at Griffin, though, that was like the wildest shit because I didn't like, immediately recognize it was dark. And the two twins, you know, they used to dance with her, were going nuts in the middle. And I was like, oh, shit, that's the Beyonce twins. Which is up because I just don't know their names. And then Beyonce was sitting up on the couch the whole time, and Austin sat me like, yo, you just see Beyonce in the back? I was like, oh, yeah. That was kind of the. The most blended that I've ever seen. Yeah, but that. It was dark.

[Rory]

So seeing Leonardo was like the. The one for me.

[Host 1]

I was like, can't believe you ain't called me.

[Rory]

I was like, that's. This is Leo, dog. Like, and he was just, baseball hat on, walked into the club like, I'm like, bro, this is one of the most famous people ever. Like, he just walked in like, yo, so how y' all doing, man? I was like, you can't just walk past niggas like that. Leo, like, come on, this is DiCaprio, bro.

[Peach]

This is DiCaprio.

[Rory]

Are you kidding me? Like, that was the craziest shit to me. Like, seeing Leo, like, walking in the club, baseball hat on, just chilling to me, that was like the flyest shit. Like, okay, like, he just be. He don't need no cameras. He just walk right in, like, go.

[Peach]

Sit down next to the 22 year olds.

[Rory]

I mean, you know, just living 21 plus clubs.

[Peach]

So, you know, I mean, good flowers around you.

[Rory]

That's all. You just need to call them flowers. We just need some, like, unicorn blood. Yeah, just put some flowers in the garden. That's all. Yeah, just make me look good. You know what I'm saying?

[Peach]

Who do we think takes whose last name?

[Rory]

One thing I can promise you is Taylor Swift is not losing that last name.

[Peach]

All right, but what about, like, legally, not brand wise. She'll always be Taylor Swift on Spotify.

[Host 1]

Swift, Kelce.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, she got to be Swift. Kelsey then. Oh, my Swift.

[Host 1]

Kelsey. Kelsey Swift. Yeah, Taylor. Kelsey Swift. It's long, it's wordy.

[Rory]

Yo, that on the back of a jersey will sell millions.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God, bro, I might I might buy it.

[Peach]

Listen, man, Travis was one of the only white players to take a knee during the national anthem. He's progressive. I could see him putting Kelsey Swift on the back of his jersey.

[Rory]

He better not.

[Peach]

Not. Not that their family would need any.

[Rory]

Money, but his father's from a different time in America. That will not be happening from Ohio. I can promise you. Pawpaw, he will not. Pawpaw ain't going for it. I can promise y' all that right now. He don't care. Swift, whatever she do for a living, the Kelsey name stays. I can promise you that.

[Peach]

Yeah, yeah. The name got my father's blood on it.

[Rory]

They got my daddy's blood on it. Yeah, he ain't losing that name. You crazy. Nah, his family ain't going for that, but all right.

[Peach]

Of course, we're very happy and hope that they have a long lasting relationship. Never divorce, anything like that. All that they don't have, they don't. They don't need money. But I would explain, if my. My grandfather was still alive, he would be living at me if I would do something like that. But I'd be like, yo, our family name just off those jersey sales like your great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandkids will never need for anything. If I put out the swift feral jersey, like, it's over. We. We don't have to think about money for the rest of our lives.

[Rory]

Yeah. That licensing agreement, like, we. Yeah, we good.

[Peach]

Like, I know Taylor sells out stadiums.

[Rory]

But that jersey, Imagine that jersey in every seat of the stadium. Yeah, yeah, no, I get it.

[Peach]

I'm not putting on our license. It doesn't have to go on our gravestone.

[Rory]

Right.

[Peach]

Our kids could just still have the feral, but for this.

[Rory]

But it's like you're saying agreement. Yeah.

[Peach]

You want to put an asterisk next to it? We could do that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Swift feral asterisk on the back of the jersey. Like, I'm with you.

[Rory]

We got to make it. We got to come to an agreement, though. Yeah, I get it. I understand.

[Peach]

We had a cameo for a little bit and it started to feel nasty. It was like, dog, I'd be in my DMs. And if somebody wants a happy birthday, I usually just do the video for free. This feels gross now. If. If shit hits the fan and my 2 year old needs to eat.

[Smokey Robinson]

Well, we do all day.

[Peach]

Dot com backslash. This is Roy.

[Smokey Robinson]

Happy birthday to you, Duran. Cheryl. Yeah, six birthday. A 86 don't mean you ain't got it. You know, I'm saying 86. You still take the cameo.

[Rory]

Cameo. I understand, because we did it, like, for me, maybe a week. And I was like, bro, this is crazy.

[Peach]

I was doing that already, like, four people for free.

[Smokey Robinson]

You know, Smokey Robinson, the famous Smokey Robinson cameo, where he. The two kids had Smokey. Smokey was their mother's favorite artist, okay? And she grew up across the street from him, okay. And I guess he didn't know that, so they had Smokey do a cameo. But shorty was Jewish, and it was for Hanukkah, so he's like, I want to wish Ms. Sheila a happy Chinooka.

[Peach]

Is this it, right?

[Rory]

Yep, that's it right there.

[Peach]

Put the volume on it.

[Smokey Robinson]

Yeah.

[Peach]

Surprise, surprise, surprise, surprise. Yeah. You didn't expect to hear from me, but I was contacted by your sons, Jeff and Jer, and they wanted me. They told me that you used to live in Detroit across the street from me, and. Gosh, that's. That's beautiful.

[Rory]

How you doing again? How you doing?

[Peach]

Nice talking to you again, I guess. But anyway, you're living in Vancouver now, and they want me to wish you happy Chinooka. I have no idea what Chinooka is.

[Rory]

But I don't even know what Chinooka.

[Peach]

Is, so they said. So anyway, God bless you, babe, and enjoy Chinooka.

[Rory]

Enjoy.

[Smokey Robinson]

Enjoy Tanooka.

[Peach]

Wait. All right. Ask somebody that is. Is a devout Irish Catholic that was in the no. No Child Left behind program. Can you pull up how Hanukkah is really spelled? Because I might have said the same thing.

[Smokey Robinson]

No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

It is ch, right?

[Smokey Robinson]

It's bro. It's spelled, like, eight different ways.

[Rory]

Okay?

[Peach]

Like, I might have done the exact same thing, bruh.

[Smokey Robinson]

Like, that should be me.

[Rory]

Wait, now I'm having a.

[Peach]

How is.

[Rory]

This is like the K in chickfila? Because. Okay, now that's how I'm used to seeing it. Right. But I do.

[Peach]

Under it. Is it spelled Chinooka or Hanukkah?

[Smokey Robinson]

Yeah, look, a Jewish lady. I'm. I'm like, I'm clocking it. She's Jewish.

[Rory]

Now, look, I've seen the ch as well before. I've seen that spelling before. Yeah. But I've definitely seen the ha spelling as well. So now which one. Which one is correct? Cuz Smokey might not be wrong if.

[Peach]

If. If they sent it. Because, you know, like, with cameos, they'll put, like, certain things. Like, there's a list.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

So if they spelled it that way. Yeah, I'm sound. I'm sounding it out like. Like, I.

[Rory]

This is one of the greatest songwriters of all time. Like, he can spell, he can pronounce. Like, he can read. Like, Smokey isn't wrong here.

[Peach]

Like, maybe he never wrote down his rhyme. Maybe he's on a Fantasia vibe.

[Rory]

Then Smokey isn't wrong. That's why he said, I don't even know what Chinooka is. Now, if you would have put a say, he would have said Hanukkah. He knows what. I'm more than positive. Smokey Robson has Jewish friends. But if Smokey gets C H A, he's gonna say Chinooka. So Smokey's not wrong. We got to get the legend Smokey Robinson a pass.

[Peach]

Chinooka sounds like a town in Long Island.

[Rory]

I've never seen that video before, dog.

[Smokey Robinson]

It is wild. The first time I seen that, I was like, all right. I was like, every time I'm depressed, we going here.

[Rory]

I don't even know what Chinooka is.

[Smokey Robinson]

He said. He said, enjoy it. Hey, whatever, nigga. Like, the energy, that was just like, hey, I gotta listen 13 of these. I'm on number 12. I'm about to be out of here.

[Rory]

Yeah, I never saw that.

[Smokey Robinson]

But, like, to your point, like, I'll rather if somebody's in this. Like, I just did this, like, walking in, some dude was just like, yo. And I'm just like, bro, what's your name? You know what I'm saying? He's just like, yo, my name is Quasar. I was like, wow, that's a wild name.

[Rory]

Quasar.

[Smokey Robinson]

Yeah, but I'm just like, yo. And I'm like, yo, bro, I'm doing mixtape drops with no mixtapes. Like, I'm just like, bro. Cause, like, at the end of the day, people come up to you and be like, yo, I don't want to bother this. That the third I see you out, I'm like, fam, I'm off a 500 milligram edible, shopping for jeans and Neiman, you're not bothering me at all. This is actually great. I was like, this is great.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

Because now the salesperson is like, all right. They stopped following me around the store now.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Smokey Robinson]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Yeah, he cool. People know who this guy.

[Peach]

But now I'm thinking, this is a great way to steal now.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Peach]

I pretend like I've never met you. Oh, picture go around and start off with jeans. Jeans, Man, I got these fleece Dr. J.

[Rory]

That way.

[Smokey Robinson]

I live with two Casablanca sets.

[Peach]

We should do a whole chinuka series. Like, the three of us.

[Smokey Robinson]

Let's do it.

[Peach]

I feel like the original Jews definitely celebrated Chinuka for sure. We can do it on. We can do it on 2 5th with the Israelites.

[Smokey Robinson]

With the black. The black Israelites, bro.

[Rory]

That's it. Yeah. The original.

[Smokey Robinson]

The original Asic. Hilarious, bro, because Eric Adams put like, yo, I got the support of the Jewish community. And he. Yo, bro, he put. He's like, yo, I got all these rabbis on deck. Like, he put like a list of rabbis that with him. And one of them was like a black Israelite dude. And he just threw that in there. Like, I know one of them was a child molester. I'm like, yo, this just throwing Hail Mary's, bro. Just trying to.

[Peach]

It's like cameo. He doesn't read it before. He just says, like, it.

[Rory]

Chinuka and hookah might be the new loud Shuka hookah. We might need to open a Chinook.

[Smokey Robinson]

Blessed by Rabbi Black Israelite.

[Peach]

We getting in shape, Palestinian.

[Smokey Robinson]

Come on, baby. We make. That's it. You ever been that episode of Curve with the chicken? You making that happen?

[Peach]

Oh, man.

[Smokey Robinson]

This is the ideation station right here.

[Peach]

Absolutely written, by the way. Everything was say is copywritten because it's been recorded. You told the story a very long time ago, but there's always new fans. And I do want you to tell Mel the time you almost got jumped by 75 bloods in the Bronx.

[Smokey Robinson]

Oh, the same exact shit happened to me, but it was like, graffiti related, right? So it was just like Bronx versus Brooklyn on the graffiti shit.

[Rory]

Like.

[Smokey Robinson]

And I'm with my man Taze, who's like the UN of graffiti. That nigga knows everybody. So we walk in, we get off.

[Rory]

I feel like I've seen that tag.

[Smokey Robinson]

Before because that shit is everywhere. Yeah, so he. Yeah, he's like, yo, he's one of these niggas like, yo, what's up, Wiz? What's good? Yo, shorty over there. Yo, what's good, baby? You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, super smooth, like Mitch type of dude, bro. We walking down. This is back in the O.J. days when you. I mean, you call people's choice whatever.

[Rory]

Yo mama do.

[Smokey Robinson]

Yeah, come through on the excursion, bro. We stopping at. We stopping that post, and then we going everywhere. Now we going down to Ludlow, whatever. We go turn the tables upside down, the pianos, whatever. Yeah, bro, we get in the fucking. We get in the fucking car. We smoking on the way there.

[Rory]

Boom.

[Smokey Robinson]

We get out the car. My man. Nice. He's like seven. The idiot dude in the crew that just does shit just to do it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

He jumps out the car. There's two dudes holding hands walking down the street for no reason. Not homophobia, nothing. Just it could have been a dude and it could have been an elephant walking down the street. Just jumped out the car. Just said in their face, bro. Like, right here. I was like, this is how we started tonight, bro. Like, I think there was a blood and dustbeat pass around an excursion, bro. Like, some was going down.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

So now we walking towards, like, 14, like, Union Square, whatever coffee shop over there. Because I knew it was sure that was bartending there.

[Rory]

Legendary spot.

[Smokey Robinson]

Legendary spot. So I'm going over there. I'm like, yo, I'm gonna get us all free drinks. I got us. We start walking, and there's another group of. With the Steve Techs and the whole.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

And the grills and the chick. I was like, Brooklyn. I was like, oh, man, I feel like Brooklyn.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

I was like, these are Brooklyn. I was like, they're graffiti. Cause they got the north fish, but they not on Bron.

[Rory]

Yeah, bruh.

[Smokey Robinson]

And I recognize him. I was like, oh, that's this one. That's that one. That's that one. And one of them dudes. I ain't gonna say his name. He used to come to the Bronx just to write. Fuck the Bronx, like, and go over people and be like, fuck the Bronx, y'.

[Rory]

All.

[Smokey Robinson]

Pussy this, that.

[Rory]

It's crazy how that was a real. That's a real level of disrespect like that. Like, war started behind.

[Smokey Robinson]

Yeah. Like, fuck your whole borough.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

So I was just like, oh, man. Like, I was like, I'm counting in my head. I'm like. It was like eight of us. It's like 14 of them. I'm like, oh, man, I'm gonna start throwing garbage cans. I'm already thinking like, yo, I'm start like Streets of Rings. Yeah. I'm gonna throw a barrel roll, nigga. Tonight I'mma catch and throw it back. I'm.

[Rory]

I'm bus this.

[Smokey Robinson]

And the pipe don't come out.

[Rory]

I'm not going to go like that. Like, everything in your mind, you think I was going to.

[Peach]

Not everything is west side Story.

[Smokey Robinson]

I'm with my jacket over my head in a puddle.

[Peach]

And by the way, I've thrown a trash can for. It does not do the damage you think. It's does no damage.

[Rory]

That means nothing generation.

[Smokey Robinson]

You can't just throw projectiles. Yeah.

[Rory]

All that double dragon. That doesn't do anything. Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

And also, eating the apple that you find on the street is not going to regenerate.

[Rory]

Your health never might give you hepatitis.

[Smokey Robinson]

Rotisserie chicken that you found in the garbage on the platter.

[Rory]

That ain't gonna work.

[Smokey Robinson]

So we walking and. And Tay's, of course, you know, smooth, man. He's just like, yo, Les, what up, my.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

And I was just like, oh, thank God. The other dude was like, yo, Taz.

[Rory]

Yeah, boom.

[Smokey Robinson]

Then same. Yo, yo. It's like, yo, we btc. We decay.

[Rory]

It was treacherous back then. Like, I drive over there now and I'm. I just shake my head. I'm like, yo, if y' all only knew what this looked like maybe 25 years ago.

[Smokey Robinson]

I'm like, fam, it was. And it was. Talk about. People talk about. New York is a melting pot. Back then, down there was really a melting pot, bro, Because I end up in spots like Manitoba. That's like a straight hardcore metalhead club. And I'm in there with gold bottoms and straight backs and a red steep tech, like, tagging up the walls and shit. But it was. Cause it was graffiti dudes in there. So it was just like, bro, you walked out, Ludlow, it. Pianos. It was like Donnie brook and Community 54. All these different spots. And, bro, there was, like, real, like, going on. Like, it was like a real energy going on at that time down there. And I feel like now it's just like, all right, bro.

[Rory]

Like, the energy is totally.

[Smokey Robinson]

We got a crumble cookie here.

[Rory]

Exactly like you said. You said a coffee shop. When that. When I heard that they was getting rid of the coffee shop.

[Peach]

Oh, listen to me.

[Rory]

That was, like, the most depressing New York.

[Smokey Robinson]

We're losing recipes.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, the coffee shop.

[Smokey Robinson]

How you keep it.

[Rory]

That's legendary spots. But it's. It's interesting.

[Peach]

You say five point, you talk about graffiti when they just gave five points away.

[Rory]

They were like, that.

[Smokey Robinson]

Also, we're gonna bust some and make you drive past this white building.

[Rory]

You tagged.

[Smokey Robinson]

Yeah, bro. It's like a rite of passage, bro. Like, not nothing crazy. Like, I didn't go up there and do, like, some crazy vertical piece. I would have to do my little tags, whatever.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

Because, you know, it's like. It's like a ranking file. You know what I mean? Like, if you. Like a young dude, because it's eighth grade. Thirteen. Like, that's when I was going over there, like, 12 years old. Thirteen. And, like, everybody else is, like, 20 years old, smoking angel dust. And, like, I'm like, damn. Used to paint trains. Like, I was like, yo, I'm gonna do my little thing here in the corner.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

Like, I ain't gonna go over nobody.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Smokey Robinson]

But yeah. Nah, that man like this, all these spots is disappearing, man.

[Peach]

Yeah. And even that. What was the movie they did with like a whole bunch of a list actors and they, they shot it at five points. They, the city got their money. It was like a 100 million dollar contract so they could shoot a scene there. And they were like, all right, we'll just make. We'll make place.

[Smokey Robinson]

Yeah.

[Peach]

One of the most iconic graffiti places on Earth.

[Smokey Robinson]

Earth, period.

[Rory]

It's crazy because I feel like things like that.

[Peach]

There you go.

[Smokey Robinson]

People from Minnesota need homes.

[Rory]

From Minnesota, they need homes.

[Smokey Robinson]

Okay.

[Peach]

This city doesn't need culture.

[Smokey Robinson]

Like, oh, we don't need that.

[Peach]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Let's.

[Peach]

Let's build overpriced condos with no closet space.

[Rory]

Yeah.

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