Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 9/15

Summary

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New Rory & Mal – "Best of Rory & Mal: Week of 9/15"

Released: September 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

This "Best Of" compilation episode features a week’s worth of highlights from the New Rory & Mal podcast. True to form, the show delivers new stories, plenty of laughs, and a parade of unfiltered hot takes—the kind “no one asked for.” The hosts (primarily Rory, Mal, and Damaris, aka Baby D) bounce between pop culture and music news, viral interviews, relationship debates, and their signature banter—keeping the tone irreverent, quick-witted, and tangential.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dame Dash vs. The Breakfast Club – A Viral Interview Deep-Dive

Timestamps: 03:05 – 14:13

• Dame Dash’s Legacy & the "Pause" Movement:

  • Mal is given his "flowers" for his role in popularizing the "pause" phrase, which the group jokingly reframes as part of a "legacy of homophobia," emphasizing the datedness and absurdity of the whole notion.
  • “This is a legacy of homophobia. That I think is just incredible…” – Rory (03:06)

• Recapping the Chaotic Interview:

  • Rory and Mal break down the recent contentious Dame Dash appearance on The Breakfast Club (w/ Charlemagne, DJ Envy, Jess), calling it “probably the first interview I’ve watched twice in maybe five years.” (03:29)
  • The interview is described as “completely off the rails”—no real questions were answered, Dame dominated the room, and classic NYC studio energy ensued. Charlemagne’s playful jabs (“raise your hand if you think Dame is broke”) and Dame’s repeated “that’s because you’re gay” retorts became recurring comedic motifs.

• Questioning Dame’s Claims & The ‘Chairman’ Confusion:

  • The hosts debate the truth behind Dame’s claims that he’s Chairman at Revolt. After an official statement called his assertions “false,” Mal speculates Dame was referring to possible negotiations (07:54).
  • “I think he may have took an escrow role at Revolt as the chairman. Not officially. Just so he could get back at Cam publicly.” – Rory (08:46)

• The Art of Arguing Uptown:

  • They mock how Dame and guys “from uptown” rope bystanders (like Jess) into petty arguments:
    • “Jess, is he gay? Yes or no?” – Mal paraphrasing Dame (10:20)
  • The hosts riff about how joking accusations of being gay get weaponized instead of addressing real debate points, making it impossible to have a valid argument.

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2. Cam'ron, Adrian Broner, and Handling Disrespectful Guests

Timestamps: 14:14 – 23:53

• Adrian Broner’s Drunken Appearance:

  • The group analyzes Cam’s handling of a cringeworthy live podcast incident, where boxer Adrian Broner (possibly still intoxicated post-fight) appeared uninvited, flirted at length with co-host Stat Baby, and made everyone uncomfortable—her boyfriend present in the room.
  • The consensus: Cam did the right thing kicking him out but could’ve skipped the “junkie” comments after Broner left (17:16).
    • “It got to a point where it was like, this is too weird … Cam was right in what he did and the way he handled it. But … calling him a junkie …was a little unnecessary.” – Mal (17:27)

• How Male Hosts Should Protect Female Colleagues:

  • Damaris (Baby D) pushes back on the idea male hosts should invoke “her boyfriend” to end the situation, emphasizing her own discomfort should suffice—sparking a quick, playful gender debate on handling boundaries and secrecy in relationships.
    • “Why y’all telling people my business? … Just kick him out.” – Damaris (23:06)

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3. Relationship Games, Cheating, and the Side Dude Perspective

Timestamps: 23:54 – 31:17

• Side-Chick/Side-Dude Logic:

  • Mal and Damaris spar over who “knows the signs” of infidelity, leading Mal to explain how ex–side dudes spot partner “patterns.”
  • Damaris admits, “We say [when we were wilding] to our homegirls, not to the guy,” defending women’s right to “let a man stay healed”—that is, not confess past cheating.
    • “Why would I do that? He’s moved on. He's happy. … I want you to stay happy. That's maturity.” – Damaris (27:59)

• Flirting, Temptation, and Faithfulness:

  • The group jokes about “loopholes” and “blood sacrifice” analogies for cheating and saving a partner’s life, blending irreverence and honesty:
    • “I’d suck a dick to keep her alive.” – Rory (30:05)
    • “Because you’re gay.” – Mal, riffing on Dame’s banter (30:16)

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4. Young Thug’s Seven-Minute Apology Record & Public Redemption

Timestamps: 36:18 – 49:33

• Reaction to the Song:

  • The hosts are underwhelmed by Young Thug’s lengthy apology track, questioning the need for such public, drawn-out musical contrition.
    • “Apology is changed behavior and you should change the song. This was bad.” – Rory (37:23)

• Can Thug Recover?

  • The roundtable debates whether Thug can ever reach the same heights following his legal troubles and loss of industry relationships.
    • “That window is small; one shot. He’s gotta hit Mach 10.” – Rory (46:49)

• Is 'Good Music' Enough in 2025?

  • Damaris argues that quality alone won’t guarantee a comeback; Rory and Mal counter that Gunna’s recent resurgence was largely due to strong music, despite widespread initial backlash.

• How to Redeem Thug:

  • Mal floats a tongue-in-cheek “solution”:
    • “Thug gotta do the ayahuasca.… Go to Costa Rica, get the shaman, live stream the whole ayahuasca experience, and then watch what happens to the music.” (49:09)

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5. Boxing & Battle Rap News

Timestamps: 49:39 – 58:09

• Jake Paul vs. Tank Davis:

  • The hosts express skepticism about the legitimacy of YouTuber Jake Paul’s upcoming bout with champion Gervonta “Tank” Davis—but sheepishly admit they’ll watch regardless.
    • “I have no backbone. I want to boycott this, but I’m 100 percent going to watch.” – Rory (49:45)

• Battle Rap – Mook vs. Hitman Holla:

  • Recap of the recent Takeover Battle League main event; consensus is that Mook, a veteran, easily took the win.
    • “I thought it was 3-0 … Mook is just different, cut from another cloth.” – Mal (56:57)
  • The discussion explores differences between battle rap eras and notes how even allegations of domestic violence fail to stir the “battle rap world,” which values technical skills and bravado above all.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Dame Dash and debating on air:
  • “To even…argue with Dame is one of the hardest things on Earth. The way they handled it…made it one of the greatest interviews I've ever seen.” – Rory (05:04)
• On viral moments and messy interviews:
  • “Nothing was covered…I just want to make that clear. We got no answers on anything.” – Rory (05:02)
• On side-dude wisdom:
  • “If a guy is dating you that has been a side dude before…he knows you’re lying.” – Mal (24:34)
• On relationship lore:
  • “We say we were wilding to our homegirls, not to the guy.” – Damaris (27:51)
• On Young Thug’s comeback odds:
  • “Everyone's gonna follow if it's good.” – Rory (41:30)
• On ‘Boxing as Simulation’:
  • “This is why this is a simulation. This all started with Nate Robinson…and now Tank in his prime. What the fuck is going on?” – Rory (50:41)
• On battle rap's selective outrage:
  • “They care about scheming your man out of money, not beating up women.” – Rory (56:49)

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Segment Timestamps

• Dame Dash Breakfast Club Interview Breakdown: 03:05 – 14:13
• Adrian Broner, Cam’ron, and guest etiquette: 14:14 – 23:53
• Relationship debates—side-dude detection, confessions, and gender roles: 23:54 – 31:17
• Young Thug’s apology track and artist redemption: 36:18 – 49:33
• Jake Paul vs. Tank Davis & Battle Rap (Mook vs. Hitman): 49:39 – 58:09

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Tone & Language

The show’s hallmark is its fluid, comedic flow; the hosts tease, riff, and debate with unfiltered energy; irreverence, inside jokes, and pop-culture fluency dominate. Banter about controversial moments is always cut by honesty or sarcasm, with recurring references to New York culture and hip-hop history.

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This “Best Of” episode captures the mix of viral pop-culture reviews, spicy relationship takes, and insidery music talk that keeps New Rory & Mal compelling for fans—and will quickly catch up any newcomers on what they missed this week.

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[C]

You.

[B]

You. You earned. Like, this is a legacy. This is a legacy of homophobia. That I think is just incredible that now they're taking your phrases and making them.

[C]

I'm homophobic.

[B]

I don't think you're homophobic.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Did you watch this Dame, Dash and Charlemagne?

[C]

I watched it three times. This is the greatest show on earth right now.

[B]

Let me say Breakfast Club as well, because they were all there. This is probably the first interview I've watched twice in maybe five years.

[C]

Yeah, I don't watch anything other than, like, maybe a movie or series when you talk about interviews and things like that. I watch clips and things like that. But this. This Dame Breakfast Club interview was just another one to add, because I think every time he's done this, it's a classic. I don't think he's ever done a Breakfast Club interview.

[B]

He has the greatest Breakfast Club discography of all time. When he put out the first one, it was like, how could he ever top that?

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, this one, we didn't know what we had coming.

[A]

So what exactly happened for the people that haven't watched it? Because I only seen a clip, and the clip I saw with Charlamagne saying, raise your hand if you think Dame is broke. And I was screaming. I'm like, yo, what the is going on in this interview? But I didn't watch the whole whole thing.

[B]

Well, that was after an hour and a half of things being off the rails. And anytime Charlemagne said anything, Dame would say, well, that's because you're gay. So then Charlemagne, at some point started to get not frustrated. He played into it well and was like, raise your hand if you think Dame is broke. And then Dame said, raise your hand if you think Charlemagne is gay. This was one of the corrupt.

[C]

Oh, I thought she was telling the room.

[B]

Yeah. And honestly.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Before we get into this, I would say I apologize for some of my Charlemagne hate of the complex list. Yeah. This could put you at number one after this interview. This is the greatest I've ever seen in my life.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because to even like, before, when Envy and Charlemagne trying to talk or argue with Dame is one of the hardest things on Earth. So the way they handled it of, like, really playing into it made it one of the greatest interviews I've ever seen in my entire life. But where do we even begin? Nothing was covered. I just want to make that clear. We got no answers on anything. No real questions were asked. Dame became a chairman in the middle of calling somebody that has been on Revolt gay. Everything was insane. He was standing up. He was. I was like, how is the mic even still picking him up? He's running laps around the table. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen.

[C]

It was cool because Dame, he went up there. Well, he had announcements. We don't know how true those announcements are, but he had announcements. And he wanted to use that as an opportunity for Charlamagne or Envy to say things that they may have said about Dame when he wasn't there. Like, okay, let's talk about it now. And Dame, he started it with, I'm not gonna get upset. I'm not gonna yell, so you're not gonna trigger me, but just don't cut me off. Let me answer so that you can understand what I'm saying. So he went up there with the right energy. He went up there with the energy to kind of, like, answer any, you know, things that they may have been saying about him. You know, saying he's broke and, you know, whatever. Whatever, you know, they may have been saying. It's like, okay, so Dane was trying to explain, like, if I've been paying 250,000 a year in child support for the last however many years, is that person broke? Like, these are the things that, you know. So he went up there trying to teach them and say, you know, y' all don't know because y' all are stuck in this box in this coffin every day. So y' all don't know what's really going on. Y' all don't know business. So it started as trying to shed light on some of the things that they may have been hearing about Dame in so many ways. I think that you and I both know some of the things that Dame is doing legally to where it's like, okay, you know, we get it. We understand.

[B]

He was giving away a little too much on that down to the family office.

[C]

I was like, so, you know, it's like, we understand, but I think he went up there just to have a con. But then in Dame fashion, it has to be entertaining. It has to be, you know, him, you know, talking shit about somebody in the room, like, snapping on him. It has to. That's Dame. That's who he is. And it made for a great. Another classic Dame Dash Breakfast Club interview. Now, some of the things he was saying, you know, his announcements with the chairman thing and all, you know, at Revolt, you know, then I guess the president of Revolt, somebody came out and said that that wasn't true. We don't know if he's saying it's not true, meaning it's not happening or it hasn't happened yet. Maybe there are talks of it happening, but as of. I guess still today, I don't think that they've come out and may release a statement saying that he is the chairman.

[B]

So again, because so much dancing and manipulation was happening throughout the entire interview, he briefly said, which I don't know how to fully interpret, he was saying that he has a certain amount of time to. To buy it, I guess, like, he was the chairman, but there's only a window where he has. He has to make a choice of whether he's acquiring this or not.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So I guess officially he wouldn't be, but the. It was offered, so if he wants to be, he could be. I'm not gonna sit here and try to explain it, because I didn't fully understand.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I. When they came out and said that was all false, I was like. I went back to that part, and that's where I think he was explaining like, he has a window, and if he wants to take it, he can take it. If he doesn't, then he's going to move on. And I think he may have just taken. Like when you put. When your house is in escrow.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I think he may have took an escrow role at Revolt as the chairman. Not officially. Just so he could get back at Cam publicly. And I don't think he will be taking that Revolt Chairman Joe. I think that was all just a play to be able to go to Breakfast Club and say, cam, I'm your boss now.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I thought he was gonna have way more smoke for Envy. Outside of the first one. Envy was the one on Instagram last week in front of all his cars. Like, this is what not being a boss gets you. After Dame had. Had filed chapter 11, I thought he was going to come with Envy smoke. I didn't know he was going to be calling Charlemagne gay for two hours.

[C]

Did he file chapter 11 or chapter 7?

[B]

Chapter 7, I'm sorry.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

But.

[C]

Classic, though.

[B]

How do you argue with somebody when. Because even towards the end, Charlemagne tried to get it back on. On at least subject. How do you argue with someone, and when you ask a valid question, the only response they have at that point is, it's because you're gay. The funniest was when in the beginning they were cutting Dame off, but then they stopped, and then Dame would ask them a question, and they try to answer, like, stop cutting me off. Like, you just ask me a question. I'm answering your question, bro.

[C]

That is a classic, though. That's a classic. Classic. Breakfast Club 1000. Like, it's the first. I saw a clip first. And I said, oh, no, I gotta watch. Like, I can't. I can't just watch clips. I have to watch it. Because I knew just that energy that Dame had in that clip that I was watching and him calling Charlemagne gay. I was just like, oh, yeah, this is another classic about that one.

[B]

And this is why you just can't argue with anybody from uptown, because they have this strategy and you do it, too, where you get other people involved in the room that want nothing to do with it. And then they sit there awkwardly. Like, when he was arguing with Charlemagne, he went over to Jess. Jess hadn't said a fucking word yet. And I forgot exactly what it was. So I'll use an example. Jess, is he gay? Yes or no? Is he gay? And justice is like, I'm not. I don't. Dudes from uptown, that's how they argue in rooms. They just bring in other people and be like, yo, yes or no? Like, dude, I'm not in this. I have no.

[C]

But.

[B]

All right, but don't try to use me to prove your point. And then when you do that, they're like, see?

[C]

See, he thinks.

[B]

He thinks the same thing.

[C]

I mean, well, Envy said he thought Charlemagne was gay too, though. He just said, I think he's kind of gay, too.

[A]

So I think Envy was being, like, funny. Like, that's his co host. Like, that's like, if Roy said that.

[B]

About one of us, like, well, I mean, you are.

[A]

And you are, too now.

[C]

What?

[B]

You can't steal.

[A]

James, you sound like you want me to convince you that he's not gay. You sound like you want me to convince him.

[C]

No, no, it's not. You can't do that because you're actually gay. Like, that's. That's on record.

[A]

What?

[C]

So gay?

[A]

No, gay.

[B]

Like, are you trying to recruit me? Like, I don't.

[C]

Rory's not on record doing gay. Like, don't do that. Don't even start that.

[B]

I'm not on record or offer.

[A]

I was about to say so because.

[B]

Not a single Record. Well, no, y'. All. Because at one time, I did get a lot of. And I must have been gay at that time.

[C]

No, no, you wasn't getting the type.

[A]

Of pussy we like you.

[B]

Really?

[A]

That's why you was trying to defend it. And I wanted to say in my head, Rory, you wasn't getting that type of pussy that we talking about.

[C]

Yeah. Like, you wasn't. And you wasn't, like, in a. See, we were saying, like, when you're in a rel. A healthy relationship and you just can't stop.

[B]

Oh, no, we got off the relationship part then. We were just going into. Just getting mad. Like, if you just a lot and, like, run through girls, you're gay.

[A]

That's. We did not say that.

[C]

But okay, yeah, we left it. We was talking. We was talking about intercourse. You just cheating on your girl like, you serial cheater.

[B]

No, I'm saying just like Koface on tour.

[C]

No, no, no, no. That's not the same.

[B]

Different city.

[C]

Like, we're saying, you have.

[B]

You just save her as Tennessee.

[C]

We've all been there. Love, Miss Tennessee. Love her, Miss. I wonder how she's doing in life. But, yeah, this Breakfast Club interview, though, was definitely, definitely one for the red. But Dame has people say what they want. Dame has the ability to, like, sit on a platform and, like, you know, I guess, go viral whenever he wants. He has that. He's. He's that type of personality. He's. That he's, you know, he speaks about. He says whatever the fuck he wants to say. He's not apologetic about what he wants to say. And then he says, like, I'm the chairman of Revolt. And people are just like, but Revolt says you're not.

[B]

And then he calls them liars.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, he reposted on his Instagram and says, this is a lie.

[C]

So it's like, you know, anybody that has the ability to do that, you know, then this is. People are gonna watch it. People love that type of shit where it's just like, yo, this dude is crazy. But Dame is not crazy. Dame is definitely very intelligent. His methods and, you know, the way he goes about things are a little unconventional, but he's had success in being unconventional, so that doesn't matter. Yeah, I just think the fact that he was up there and, you know, it kind of got a little. A little tension between him and Charlemagne is what kind of made that whole thing like, oh, no, I gotta watch this.

[B]

But, I mean, they both handled it very well because it could have went left. And I liked how both of them had that understanding. Because even when Dame was like, I could punch you in your face right now. You would do nothing. I would never do that. But you're feminine. Like, you're proud. You were proud of running. Yeah, I'm proud of staying and getting my ass whooped.

[C]

Right?

[B]

You're gay. And it's like, wait, damn.

[C]

Yeah, you didn't do the math.

[B]

Like, that's.

[C]

Damn.

[B]

No.

[C]

What else you got to do? The gay math. That's it. You ran. Yeah. Like, you ran. I wouldn't. Yeah, you gay.

[A]

Like, no worry.

[B]

Was being disrespectful because he was asked once, hey, her boyfriend's here. Please don't do that. And then he kept doing it. Like, that was ddg. Didn't do that.

[C]

No, he didn't do that. It wasn't. It wasn't a disrespectful thing, though.

[A]

So I love that Cam did this. I have two comments on it. Okay, well, from what I see that people are commenting. The number one thing that I'm seeing that people are commenting on is they're saying that Cam start. Well, Cam started talking once Adrian was gone. Called him a junkie and was popping shit. But when he was there, he said, you know, as much love, my brother, respect to you. Thanks for coming by. Like, I love you. Da, da, da, da.

[C]

Now, you know Adrian could fight, right? Like, you know, he's like, no, I'm aware.

[A]

Listen, I'm commenting on what people are on the Internet. The backlash that I saw Cam get. Right. How would y' all have handled that scenario? You don't have to use me as an example. But how would.

[B]

They were hitting on Peej.

[A]

How would you.

[C]

So Agent Broner comes in here. He's flirting with Peej, and we're asking him to stop because Peej is the heterosexual.

[A]

Have handled that scenario the same way.

[C]

I would've asked Adrian. I'd be like, yo, bro, you gotta. Clearly, Adrian wasn't in the most clearest of minds. He looked like he probably was hanging out. It was fight. Just coming off a fight weekend in Vegas. Like, he probably was a little intoxicated, hungover, partying. And it looked like Adrian didn't even know he was gonna be on the show. Cause he was like, oh, y' all good. Like, y' all got me. Cause he, like, he just came in there because I don't know if people know, but the studio is in the lobby of a hotel casino.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[C]

Yeah. So, like, have you ever been to Vegas? They have all the restaurants, stores. It's just like that. It's just that it's a studio and people walking by. You can actually. If. When they're recording, you can, like, walk by and see cam recording. So I think Adrian happened to just be in the hotel and was like, you know, just popped in. But I don't think. Because if you look at the very beginning, I don't think he knew that he was gonna be. They were gonna be recording, he was gonna be on the show. And that's why Cam paid him. Cause we was on some shit like, yo, just come on. Hop on real quick. The fight just, you know, happened this weekend. Yeah, we just wanted to just talk about the fight real quick. But, you know, Adrian was a little hungover, a little, you know, might have been on, you know, just a different cloud at the moment. And he's an asshole.

[A]

It's okay to say that.

[C]

Well, yeah. I mean, put that in there as well. And just, you know, just the energy that he was, you know, showing stat. Baby was a little flirtatious, a little awkward, a little weird. And her boyfriend is there actually, you know, like, he's present, and Cam is like, yo, like, try to give him the cool. Like, yo, chill, bro. You know what I'm saying? And then it just. It got to a point where it was like, this is too weird. Like, and it's not. It doesn't make no sense for you to keep sitting here. Like, we can't even. Every time we ask you a question, this is what you start. Like, yo, you are so beautiful. It's like, all right, we not gonna keep doing this. So Cam was right in what he did and the way he handled it. But I think the, you know, what he said after Adrian left was a little unnecessary. Like, calling him a junkie and all of that. I think that was a little unnecessary. Like, he could have just left it at, you know, thank you for coming. Paid him for his, you know, his time.

[A]

I think Cam was pissed off, though.

[C]

He was pissed.

[A]

I think he was pissed off. I think, like, when he was talking, he might have meant. I mean, obviously he meant what he said, but, you know, when you upset. I think Cam was really pissed off. And I think the more he sat.

[C]

There and thought about it. Well, Cam knew he was. Was twisted. He knew he was drunk. Anybody, you know, that look. And I'm sure they were having conversations before they started recording. You could tell when somebody. This nigga, he twisted. And I think, you know, that was it. But I just. Again, I think he could have just left it on. Yo, thank you for your time. You know what I'm saying? If you want to wait for us outside, cool. He didn't have to get into yo fucking junkie. This, that, and the third. Like, he didn't have to do that. That was a little.

[B]

Do it off camera.

[C]

Yeah. Or if you're gonna do it, like, don't let it. Don't let that see the light of day.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, make sure they cut that. Like, don't know. But that ain't.

[A]

But y' all know that ain't Kim, though. It ain't up.

[C]

Yeah, but it's. Yeah, but it's. Again, say it while he's in the room.

[A]

I mean, listen, if you're gonna say it, I get it.

[C]

If you're gonna say it, say it while he's there. Like, yo, get out the room, you junkie. Like, get out of here. If it's that. If that's the energy, then all right. Yeah. But again, I just think that, you know, Cam handled it professionally at first. It was, like, stood up for Stab, baby. Like, yo, for a bro, listen, we gotta let you go. Thank you for your time. Professional. Got a suit on. Cam got shoes on. He kept it professional.

[A]

Hard bottoms.

[C]

Hard bottoms. You know, he's sliding all over the place. He kept it professional.

[B]

And it's also Adrian, bro.

[C]

But it's Adrian, bro. At the same time. Like, niggas ain't gonna just put their hands on Adrian, bro. That's not gonna happen.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Is going to sleep. The average nigga is going to sleep.

[B]

Could be on every substance, and you're still going down.

[C]

Yeah. Like, Terence Crawford might could talk like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, Cam can't talk like that to Adrian Broner because, you know, obviously, it'll go somewhere it don't need to go. And I thought Cam did a great job, was very professional. I would have loved to see him just leave it there.

[A]

I get it.

[C]

Keep it professional.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Would y' all do that for me?

[C]

Yeah, of course. Kick a nigga outta here. Oh, Cam handled that better than I would. Like, if it was that type, I would be like, yo, bro. Like, come on, my nigga. Like, and I'm not paying you. I thought that was super honorable with Cam. Did. Like, he peeled off.

[B]

I was like, oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah, he peeled off for him. It was like. I was real. I was like, okay. I wouldn't have did that. It was like, n. I didn't get it? We didn't get what we wanted to get. Like, it's like you in here flirting with Damaris to like, yo, you are so like, bro, we talking about Terrence Crawford and Canelo, and you sitting here keep talking about Damaris. I didn't realize you was that pretty. Like, oh, my God, you are.

[A]

Yeah. We've never had. We've never had a disrespectful. Go ahead, Rory. We've never had a disrespectful guest. We've had guests flirt with me, but not that bad.

[B]

He was on his Broadway, Joe Namath, you remember on the sidelines when he was talking to the ESPN reporter asking questions, and he's like, you're so pretty. And then she asked, like, a real question about, like, the jets organization and everything, and he was. He goes, I could care less about the team struggling. I want to kiss you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He was on. Joe Namath was on a thousand.

[A]

That's like, I feel my thing.

[B]

He was cooked.

[C]

Watch Chad play impresses me. The same thing impresses them.

[B]

What does it mean to you now when the team is struggling?

[C]

I want to kiss you. I couldn't care less about the team struggling. I want to kiss you.

[A]

Thanks, Joe.

[C]

Yeah, Huge compliment. Joe Namath, part of the four decade team. She definitely closed that out real quick. Like, all right, thank you, Joe Namath.

[A]

I wish I. I love jokes. I wish men understood how uncomfortable that. Like, I wish I could feel how uncomfortable that makes you.

[C]

We feel it. Like, Cam felt that. Why? You think Cam kicked him out?

[A]

No, but I mean, like, yes, it makes everybody in the room uncomfortable, but how it feels for women, like, that icky feeling we get, especially when we're trying to be professional because you're not a nigga on the street. We can't just, like, walk away from you or say, fuck you. We're stuck. Like, we can't move. And then people on the Internet were like, well, I don't understand why Cam did all that. She laughing, and I'm like, oh, y' all uncomfortable. This is why y' all are. So many men are do accident or what they call accidental rape, because you don't know when women are on such thing as you don't know they. What I'm saying is when women don't exactly say no, but they're screaming no. It's like people don't understand cues, like body language. Like, they don't get it. They have no perception of how uncomfortable they're making somebody. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, no. She. She looked clearly Uncomfortable and thinking about her job, thinking about her. Her man's probably on the other side of the glass, like, thinking about how she's coming across. But, yeah, that's an awful situation.

[C]

People on Twitter were saying, he did it for the boyfriend, not for her.

[A]

So I saw that, too.

[C]

That Cam did it for the boy.

[A]

That Cam only did it because her boyfriend was there. And if her boyfriend wasn't there, that.

[B]

Was part of Cam said, hey, please stop doing that. Also, her man is here, too. And then he said, my bad. And then he did it again right away.

[C]

Like, yeah, people don't know Cam, like, his character. Like, he definitely. Cam definitely did that because he understood how uncomfortable she was.

[A]

Yeah, they don't play about stabbing.

[C]

Now, granted, the boyfriend being there, he said that he was like, yo, her boyfriend is his. But that was on some shit. Like, yo. Like, I'm not saying I wouldn't have did it if her boyfriend was here. You could flirt with us. Like, yo. But, like, aside from her being uncomfortable, her boyfriend is here. Like, n. Chill. Like, you bugging out right now.

[A]

Let me tell y' all something. First of all, I don't know. I don't watch that show. So I don't. I don't know if the show's general consensus is that stat Baby has a boyfriend. Let me tell y' all something right now. If nobody knew I had a boyfriend and a was flirting with me, and y' all go, yo, her boyfriend here cut that out. Yo, what y' all doing? Why y' all ain't gotta cut that out. Like, why y'. All. Why y' all telling people my business? Why y' all telling people who I got in the studio, like, chill the out. Just kick him out. You know what I'm saying?

[B]

See?

[C]

Cause you're still trying to. See, that's your fucking problem. No, no, no, that. Cause that's your problem. That is your problem. See, you still trying to be one foot in the game, one foot out. Sit your hot ass down.

[B]

Yeah, just sometimes Carlito's way.

[C]

Yeah. Like, sit down.

[A]

First of all, what's understood don't need to be explained. That's number one.

[C]

Number two, don't try to give me these colloquialisms that all these hoes out here. What's understood. That's her version. That's. If you ain't trick, it ain't tricking if you got it. That's the same shit. That's the same shit.

[A]

Yo, yo, like, keep some shit out of life.

[C]

Nah, your boyfriend is here now. You go home and deal with the other texting, like, oh, word. Yeah. Now you deal with that. Yeah. Damage control. Get your PR person on the line, and you know what I'm saying? Get out of that. But if your boyfriend is here, easy.

[A]

I'm be like, cam just said that because he wanted him to leave. That's easy. Pr. Cam just said that because he wanted it immediately. Want to buy there for me? It's easy. Pr.

[C]

It's easy. You see, the y' all women be doing is crazy.

[A]

No, I'm just saying, if I was a terrible person, that is what I would say. I would, but not me.

[C]

But you think that will work?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Why do you think that will work? I see it will work on certain guys, but it can't work on a guy like myself that has been a side nigga.

[A]

Well, me personally, I tell everybody that everything that is said on this podcast is entertainment. Don't believe anything that's said on this podcast. I say that the moment a nigga slides in my DMs and he's talking about a clip. Everything said on that podcast is for entertainment. Everything.

[C]

But if a guy is dating you, that has been a side dude before, knowingly was a side dude like him, and the girl understood, like, so he.

[A]

Ain'T know his worth.

[C]

Like, yo, yeah, I got a good boyfriend, but, you know, we could. So now, in being a side dude, you can pick up on certain things now when you're dating another woman, if she's not being honest with you and telling you exactly what it is, you know? Cause you can. You know the patterns, you know the things you can like, oh, okay.

[A]

But why are you using your history of being a piece of shit person with a scarlet A on your chest? Why are you using that against me?

[B]

Just because I feel like I'm lying.

[C]

How would I be the piece of. I was the side dude, like, knowingly, like, okay, I'm not trying to.

[A]

You know, you're still a piece of.

[B]

He was providing a service the same.

[A]

Way a girl who sleeps with a. That has a. Yeah, but that's a girlfriend.

[C]

But I didn't have a girlfriend. I was a side dude. I didn't have a girlfriend.

[A]

Yes, but you knew she was in a relationship. Your ap. You were engaging and cheating in dishonesty. You two are a piece of.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know, homeboy. That ain't my. That ain't my bitch across the barrier.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That ain't my business. That's like, what you. I don't got nothing. To do with that. But I'm just saying. And being in that position in life before and playing that role. You understand now when you date other women, when it's like, they being moving, funny.

[A]

Just because you was laying down next to a liar doesn't mean that everybody you lay next to is a liar.

[C]

I'm not saying everybody's a liar. I would never say that. I'm just saying when certain things happen and the woman starts moving a certain way, those that know, no, it's like, okay, it's all good. So when you. Yo, chill. Don't flirt with the marriage. My boyfriend right here. And then you go home and be like, yo, I don't know what I'm saying. It wasn't nobody.

[A]

It wasn't nobody.

[C]

The dude that you doing that explaining to has ever played the side dude before. He knows you're lying.

[A]

Not exactly.

[C]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[A]

Like, he knows I'm gonna pull out this. I'm pull out. You really think I'm stupid enough to let them leave that shit in there if I really had a side? I mean, come on now, bro. You being stupid.

[C]

You o. Yo, you one of those. Baby D. I didn't even know you was like, yo, Baby D, I did not know. I knew you wasn't shit, but I ain't know you. I didn't know you was, like, the diarrhea, though. Like, that's the. That's the wet shit. You the wet, like, loose shit. What?

[B]

Like.

[C]

And you'll look him in his face like, yo, what you mean? Like, oh, you one of those.

[A]

No, no, Ma.

[C]

Baby D, stop. Get out of that. Stop. Don't do that.

[A]

I don't.

[C]

I'm Baby D. Do not. Don't be. Yo. Yo, do not be that woman, Baby D. Do not be that woman.

[A]

I'm just saying, we're talking. We're having, like, what ifs? Hypothetical.

[B]

Of course. Baby D is the character on the show.

[A]

On the show. That's what I was saying.

[B]

And there's Damaris.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Baby D. And it remains to be seen with Damaris is definitely the person that if her dude questions like, yo, who is this guy? She would say, if I was cheating, you would never know who it was.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Meanwhile, that's the guy.

[C]

It's him the whole time.

[B]

The whole time.

[A]

Who?

[B]

The Scooby Doo found him immediately.

[C]

Like, who else would it have been? Like, that is the crazy. When y' all don't talk about that enough as women. Like, when y' all get past that point in your life. Like, go back and be like, yeah, yeah, I was tripping. I ain't gonna lie. I was. I was on. Why y' all don't never say when y' all was on? Like, why y' all just try to delete it like it never happened?

[A]

No, we say we, but to our homegirls.

[C]

No, say it to the nigga that you was calling crazy for thinking that you cheating on him with that.

[A]

Why would I do that? He's moved on. He's happy. He has a new family. Why would I go back and say, yo, by the way, you were right about this because now it's in his brain again. He healed. I'm gonna let him stay healed. That's maturity. I'm not gonna get that off of my chest just to relieve myself of that pressure. Like, you're happy. I want you to stay happy.

[B]

Well, have you ever had a girl accuse you, like, pull up an IG page or bring up a chick and be like, if we broke up today, you would go right to her, and in your head you're like, well, yeah, I'd be. I'd be single.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. No, that's a bit. I'm not her. But if we broke up today, yeah, I might say, yo, I might date her.

[C]

Yes, I might date her. Yeah.

[B]

But I'm saying I hate when women get that off. It's like, what do you say in that situation?

[C]

I think that's more so them speaking to the fact that you're attracted to her. You like her. That's what it is. Like, that's your.

[B]

Everybody in a relationship, man or woman, can find someone else attractive.

[C]

Yeah, it's okay. Just not acting Baby D. I didn't know. I didn't know. It was a deeper, darker, criminal link, though.

[A]

I don't cheat, though.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

Peace.

[B]

All four grandparents are gone, so there's no more cheating.

[A]

I can't use that no more. I got, like, one of y' all gotta die for me to get that off.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Just go cheat. I don't want to die.

[C]

Yeah. I don't.

[B]

Don't want to be the blood sacrifice one night.

[C]

Go be with that man.

[A]

I would never do one if. If you had to die a blood sacrifice for me to cheat, like, I would literally make it an affair. I wouldn't just cheat one night. Off your death. That's crazy. Off your death. I could get, like, a whole second family.

[C]

Do you think you could ever be 100 faithful? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, that's Yo.

[C]

Yes, I'm just. What you mean, currently?

[A]

Are you good? Yo. Is not.

[C]

I'm asking.

[B]

What you mean.

[C]

I'm just asking. Do you think this is not. Nah, baby D, I promise I wasn't framing it like that. I'm literally asking, like, do you think that you could one day was like, yo, I'm not. It's completely, like, clipped. I'm. This is my.

[A]

Yes, I've been in. Yes, I've been in. Faithful relationship nigga. Have you. Can you.

[C]

Yeah. 100. Yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

You see the different sides of this room, though? Tamara said I'd be her blood sacrifice so she could cheat for one night. I said I'd suck a dick to keep her alive. Look at the difference between.

[C]

Because you're gay.

[A]

Same voice.

[C]

Yeah, that's because you're gay.

[B]

That's not honorable.

[C]

No, that's not.

[B]

Honor up. No more of the Harlem phrases.

[C]

Coming out the closet. Coming out.

[B]

A man does. He takes care of his family.

[C]

That's. Yeah, but come out the closet. Say, I'm gay. Just say it. Don't be out here pretending you not. That's what Dane was saying. He don't like when you pretend that you not gay. Nothing wrong with being gay. But say you're gay.

[B]

No, but in those. That context, I'm saving her life.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

It's dick or die.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[C]

Got you. Okay, listen.

[B]

So to me, that's like, the honorable thing to do. The same way Dane was saying hustle for your last name, not your first. Like, you put your family every single name. I think that's the same way I'm keeping Damaris alive. Like, I'm making those sacrifices.

[C]

I mean, listen, the fact that you.

[A]

You know, why. Why would you bring that back up? Like, I thought that was funny, because.

[B]

You just said you'd kill me to go cheat, and I'm trying to keep you alive.

[A]

But so I'm just saying, like, usually when we say some shit where it's like, damn, like, you know, like, I want y' all to know how much I love y'. All. So I'm gonna say this, but we just never gonna talk about it again. Like, you bought this shit back up. You curious?

[C]

She talking to you, Charlemagne. She talking to you, Charlotte.

[B]

You're saying in that scenario, I could just tag Charlemagne in and be like you.

[C]

You like this more handling like, this is your expertise. This is where you.

[B]

Yeah, I could hire you. I could be your boss to you. Do this, and Damaris stays alive.

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[C]

So Thursday when we was in the studio, Peach played the record and I thought it was a joke. I thought it was AI.

[B]

You know, a seven minute AI record is crazy.

[C]

I mean, I just thought it was.

[B]

That's a lot of data.

[C]

I just, like, I don't know, man. I don't know if we needed this.

[B]

You made it through the whole record.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I applaud you.

[C]

Me and Pete. You have listened to it.

[B]

You have ninja patience. Like, that's crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That you made it through this record.

[C]

This was just not good. Like, the, the music wasn't good, the rapping wasn't good. I, I mean, I understand the sentiment. Like, you know, it's like you're apologizing to People that you know are hearing things that you're saying about them affected some relationships and things like that. I get it. I understand that sentiment. I don't know if we needed a seven minute record saying that. Like, just call these dudes individually, send a text.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Something like, you know, we didn't need. We didn't need this record.

[B]

Yeah, man. Apology is changed behavior and you should change the song. This is. This was bad.

[C]

Yeah, this is wasn't. This was.

[B]

I read the Cliff Notes, though. I see he apologized to Mariah, to Drake, to who else? I just don't really care. I think Thug probably thinks people care more than they really do because the Internet just wants to make jokes. Nobody really cares.

[C]

Nobody cares about. I keep telling y', all, they just showed us the UFO flying straight through a missile and no, we talking about a young Thug apology record. Like, nobody cares about this. There are crazier things going on that people are just ignoring at this point. It's like, what the fuck is happening?

[B]

I just think it's kind of crazy that this is what it took for Thug to. To start putting out music because he's been quiet until all this leaked. Now he's putting out seven minute records. And I felt like he just put out an apology record last week too, that we thought was AI and then a video came out for it. So, yeah, this is one of those that I think we should just all move past.

[C]

But what does this mean for Thug? Like, moving forward? Like, what is. What does Thug sound like? What does his music sound like? Obviously, relationships are, you know, strained at this point. He probably doesn't have the relationships that he once had as far as in the industry and other artists and things like that. What does this mean for Thug? Like, what is this? What is this? How does this affect him?

[B]

I think it's very much post 444 and lemonade. I think we will get the Thug in. Mariah the Scientist. Everything Is Love part two. Like, I think they'll do a joint album to, like, show solidarity.

[C]

Baby D.

[A]

It might be over, bruh.

[C]

I don't.

[B]

You think it's over for Thug?

[A]

I. Okay, let's clarify. I'm not saying that I think that it's over for Thug. I think it. There's a possibility that Thug will never be as big as he was. And I think that in an era wherein where people's. It's hard to come back and put out an album like, anyway, like, gunna is the exception, not the rule. Once you've been, you know, Gone for a while or like, once you kind of turn people off, it's hard. It's hard to come back and to.

[C]

Get invested to what Baby D is saying. It's hard to come back just if you just did a bid. Oh, come on. Like, that's because now it's like, you know, so much has changed. Sound, you know, slang and things like that. We move forward faster cadences. Like, a lot of things have changed in music. So you're playing catch up naturally when you go away and you gotta do a bid. But to now have relationships that you probably once leaned on that are not there anymore. The relationships you probably had that you leaned on creatively, you know, while you're in the studio, like, a lot of those things are no longer available to you because you can't even be around certain people anymore. You can't even hang out with certain people anymore. So a lot has changed for Thug just as far as life goes. So now when you talk about creative creating and writing and, you know, catching the vibe and the energy and, you know, a lot of that is things that people don't talk about that goes into making great music. You gotta catch that right energy, that moment, that pulse. It's a lot that goes, you know, that you don't really think about. That just kind of happens when you're in that. In that world that I don't think Thug probably has at this moment anymore. So, you know, his sound is definitely gonna change. What he talks about is gonna change, clearly. So it's like, does his audience, do they follow that change? Do they follow that sound? Do they follow that new Thug? Do they follow? Or does he have to. Is this something where he has to literally just start from scratch and rebuild, rebrand, you know, kind of like pivot his sound a little bit like I think Thug is. It's a lot of questions that he's probably having with his camp in his circle right now.

[B]

Everyone's gonna follow if it's good.

[C]

Like, oh, if it's good.

[B]

If Gunna came out and the music he put out right away was ass, the overall energy would be like, yo, Gunna's a rat. Fuck him. We don't support rats. But it was good, so everyone followed suit. And Gunna is probably bigger than he was before. Doug just has to focus on making good music. Like, that's it. People don't care. They will only go if the music is good. Now, if the music sucks, people are just going to continue to say, like, yo, you. You were the complete opposite of what you were perceived as. We thought you were this guy. You're not that guy. And all of those rumors and shit will just keep following him. People forget when the music is good, everything is fine after that.

[C]

Yeah, you make good music. And, you know, that's like the. The fix all. Like, everything is.

[A]

It's not the fix all, though.

[C]

If you make good music, there's plenty.

[A]

Of people that make good music that people don't like. If you have a certain sound and your sound becomes dated while you're away or you become unlikable to the public, it is good music is not enough these days. There's plenty of people who make good. There's plenty of people who make good music, and y' all don't hear of them.

[B]

Wait, who.

[C]

Who I'm talking about that had, like, the spotlight, had the moment, but, like, was a. A big name, big artist, and then, you know, went away for whatever reason and then came back and. And made good music and nobody is paying them attention. Like, who.

[A]

I would have to. I would have to secure it. I can't think about that at the top of my head. But that's, like, good. I just don't feel like good music is enough.

[B]

Well, let's. Let's use Gunna as an example. Let's. Let's not rewrite history. When that tape leaked of him saying, yes, ma', am, everyone hated Gunna. That was the consensus on the timeline. His old friends were tweeting shit. Everyone in the industry was unfollowing him. Let's not act like everyone loved Gunna the way they do now. Everyone loves Gunna. Cause the music was good. He changed the narrative right away just because the music was great.

[C]

No, he changed everything. This nigga's in shape. He doing 5k runs through Central Park. Like, he doing all kind of different.

[B]

Shit, but I feel like he was actually reformed by the state of Georgia.

[C]

Oh, yeah, he got. He got a. He got a peek behind that wall and was like, nigga, I'm never going to jail.

[B]

But it wasn't the first one ever corrected by the correction system.

[C]

Doing juice cleanses. There's all kind of shit and all.

[A]

Of the things that you're naming also contributed. It wasn't just that the music was good. He had a hit and the music was good. But Gunna, the way that Gunna was marketed, the two shows that he did, the fact that his looks changed and he changed up his style, he got more into fashion, he lost weight, he did all of those things.

[C]

He was always into yeah, but all.

[A]

Of those things, like it wasn't just the music was good.

[B]

All those things definitely help, but they won't matter unless the music is good. If Gunna said, yes, ma', am, put out shitty music and then got in shape, no, like the best he would be, would be a fitness influencer. Of course.

[A]

The music needs to be good. Okay, yes. So y' all missing what I'm saying. I'm not saying that if the music like it doesn't matter if the music is good. What I'm saying is the music has to be good. But just because the music is good doesn't mean that that will be enough. That doesn't automatically mean that that will be enough.

[C]

That fixes a lot though. Sometimes when you put out a banger, good start when you drop a joint.

[A]

Who decides what a banger is? And that's my thing, right? Like who decides what a banger? There's some songs, I'm sure that you guys have heard that in your head it's a banger. But if the public doesn't perceive it that way, if it's not marketed the correct way, if the kids don't catch onto it or know that it exists, it doesn't matter that the music is good because the right people aren't hearing it and uplifting it. And the time wasn't right. So that's why I said it doesn't. Sometimes it doesn't matter if the music is good.

[B]

Sure, and I hear you on that. But also Gunna capitalized on the moment no matter what because the memes was good. All of us had our eyes on Gunna because we wanted to see what he was going to say. Everyone clicked that when he dropped that project immediately because we wanted. It was the moment. What's Gunna about to say? And we listened. It was like, oh, this is good. So we stayed with it. He capitalized on all of the eyes being on him. So at that point, all you have to do is deliver music because you know, no matter what, everyone wants to hear what you have to say. Now Thug is in the same position, but unfortunately the moment that happened was a bunch of leaked jail calls. Instead of music, all of our ears and eyes went to that. Now he still is going to have that moment. I don't think he should waste it on seven minute apologies. I think he should focus on records that we're actually going to fucking replay. Because all the eyes are on Thug. We want to know what he's gonna do. And I feel like he's wasting Those moments on Bullshit.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like those moments. I feel like that moment has passed.

[C]

Which one?

[A]

The moment where he should have put out a banger. I feel like it's passed.

[B]

I agree, but I.

[C]

How he. He just. He didn't really put out shit. He didn't put nothing out except for this. This joint. And then obviously the. The Jeffree files that they put out.

[A]

But what I'm saying is it's not about what he has put out. I'm saying the moment, like you've let other things eclipse the moment of you getting out of jail already. Like, that's. You've let other things esclipse the moment.

[C]

Yeah, but, but, but, but, but he'll still have movement. People still want to hear his. His music, though. Like, if he. If he announces he's putting out an album next month, people are gonna listen to it.

[A]

Oh, no, for sure.

[B]

But you know what I'm saying, like, they wanna hear what he does because of.

[C]

But his window.

[A]

You only got one shot and not missed a chance to blow.

[B]

I'm saying.

[C]

Also seen Top Gun too.

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Phenomenal.

[C]

You see, when they had to drop them.

[B]

That mission, that's the precision Doug has to have, man.

[C]

Thug got that type. He got one shot.

[B]

He has to hit Mach 10, man.

[C]

He got one shot. He got. And he got it. It gotta be a hit. It gotta be a hit. If not, I don't know if people go back to it, I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if they go back to, you know, he might have to find another artist and just kind of like curate another, you know, upcoming artist and go that route. But. But, you know, it's just being honest. Like, I think he turned a lot of people off with a lot of these phone calls that are being put out again. I think a lot of, you know, favors that he may have thought he was gonna have coming home. And I think a lot of people are gonna kind of turn the shoulder on him now. Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Cause like I said, we didn't finish hearing the tapes. Oh, definitely more phone calls coming.

[B]

If it went from artists couldn't wait to have the opportunity to work with Thug again to. I don't know if I should.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And to the marriage's point too, with the likability thing with this one shot, yes, he has a window. People are going to pay attention. But if it's just average because he's become so unlikable, then you don't get a second chance after that. A likable person sometimes gets A second chance.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

An unlikable person. People are going to go in to listen, but if it is not undeniable, there's still going to be bias in your head of, I don't like this person.

[C]

I know what, I know what might help. I think I got it.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Thug gotta do the ayahuasca.

[A]

Oh, you mean like for the music or help like his life, Just life.

[C]

I think that's gonna unlock a whole nother thing for him. Yeah. I think if Thug do the ayahuasca, he gonna be all right.

[B]

I wouldn't know. I would love to like, like be able to watch and see what is in Thug's head during an ayahuasca. I would love to just be able to be on that journey with him.

[C]

Just watch it.

[B]

Just, just watch like, just watch it. Like I'm just a passenger. I'm just a passenger on the trip.

[C]

Like, Thug do the ayahuasca, he gonna drop a classic.

[B]

You know what he should do? He should do the ayahuasca and live stream it like the, the live stream marathons. He should do the week of ayahuasca and yeah, the live stream should never leave.

[C]

He should go to Costa Rica. Go to Costa Rica. Go to a nice like village, you know, I mean, get your own villa type of thing. Get the shaman. Have the shaman come in. Yeah, live stream the whole ayahuasca experience and then watch the music. Watch, watch, watch, watch what happens to the music after that?

[B]

And, and Kai, this is copywritten. So don't go rent a house and get Drew Ski and every celebrity in the world and all you guys do ayahuasca in the basement.

[C]

It, no, they could do it.

[B]

We just got to be 30 days of ayahuasca with all our favorite celebrities in Kai's house.

[C]

No warrior now. So Jake Paul and Tank Davis is the next fight. November 14th.

[B]

Yep. I mean, I, I, I have no backbone. I want to boycott this, but I'm a th percent going to watch.

[C]

You have to watch. You have to, got to watch this fight. I don't know where, where I land on it, I think, I mean, obviously Tank is the favorite, but I mean, I don't know, man.

[B]

I don't want to say it all though. What happens, what happens if he loses? We gotta, we have to have a different Jake Paul converse. We keep having to have new Jake Paul conversations because he keeps beating people.

[C]

No, he not. He not, he not. He not being tanked.

[B]

We say that every time.

[C]

He's not being tanked. I mean, I, I like, I was on when they, when they first announced this fight, I was kind of like, you know, Jake Paul's obvious. Obviously the bigger guy. He can, you know, he hit. I guess you could say he hits hard. I don't know if we can say that he can hit Tank hard. Like, I don't know if Tank is going to be affected by how hard he hits, but yeah, no, he's not. Tank is not losing that fight.

[B]

This is why this is a simulation. This all started with Nate Robinson. Yeah, it did started with Nate Robinson and then it got to Floyd and Mike Tyson and now Tank in his prime. What the fuck is going on?

[C]

Yeah, man. Man, I mean, it's boxing, it's entertainment, man. Let's make it entertaining.

[B]

I guess we can stay in the boxing realm. But more on the battle rap side, did you watch Murder Mooc and Hitman Holler over the weekend?

[C]

I did, man. I did shout out to Mook. Shami. Mook is, you know, it's one of the goats, man.

[B]

Well, shout out to the Takeover Battle League because this happened, I think it happened Saturday in Houston, right?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Or Friday.

[C]

Yes, Saturday.

[B]

And it was out by Sunday night. If smack had this battle, we would get it in spring 2026.

[C]

Yes. We get it right. Right before the Tyson Mayweather fight.

[B]

Like, I used to hate when they would announce shit and I was like, well, I can't go to the battle. So let me not even get excited because I don't have to wait six months to see all this shit. I don't even think summer madness, the last summer madness has come out yet.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And we going, we going into fall, like summer madness. That shit would happen in August, we get that shit in December. So shout out to that league for keeping up with the times where we want the moment we see it. So I like that they turned it around. I like Hitman Holler. Don't get me wrong. Like, as far as one of the A listers, as far as battling goes in the battle rap history, he's the most basic A lister to me.

[C]

Basic.

[B]

I'm not saying, I'm not in any way saying Hitman is trash, but out of all of his peers, the people that you would compare him two, he's the most basic rhymer. And I think that showed in this, this Mook battle. Like, it showed. Showed his ass when he was rapping next to Mook.

[C]

Well, I don't know. I mean, is that. That's not really a knock on. Because you're with battle rap. It's it's, you know, from obviously somebody like Mook. Mook has been battle rapping since before it was like saying he was like literally walking to different neighborhoods, different blocks, battling whoever like, he come. Mook comes from that. Before, it was so performative as it is now. Like, now battle rap is a little more performative. It's a little more like, you know, spoken word, kind of like it's a performance.

[B]

But I feel like Sirius Jones and Mook were actually kind of the ones that started that to where we even get Hitman. I just think they all did it with real intricate schemes that sounded basic. You could still perform it, but they're rapping, rapping. Hitman says cool shit, but it's like straight basic, which is fine because he's clearly won a bunch of battles and I think he's great. But I think that's why he was probably so successful on Wild N Out, why it's so funny.

[A]

Just.

[B]

Just basic. Right in your face. Here you go. A car, hard bar Dar. Like just. There you go.

[C]

Yeah, but I think that, you know.

[B]

There'S no real schemes like that.

[C]

Yeah, but Mook is. He's just different. I think when you. When you somebody that again, you just. You just from a different era in this battle rap thing. I think that it's hard to be guys like that because, you know, the element is not as, you know, it's just not as tough as it once was. Like when you used to battle rap and go on somebody's block and stand in a circle on the sidewalk and like to come from that. And then now we on stage and it's just like, it's not. That's easy for Mook. Like, that's not a tough environment for him. Like, that's a more curated, safe, you know, like, environment for him to go in there and do what he does. Like Hitman, I mean, I think he comes from that as well. He was obviously after Mook, but, you know, Hitman has had his years of performing well in the battle rap, but I just think it's different. It's just different levels when it comes to guys like Mook and Lux and those guys. It's just a different, you know, like, you're gonna look different standing across from those guys because they just cut different when it comes to battle rap.

[B]

And yeah, again, I wasn't saying it as you said, not like a slight to him because I think he's crazy. He should be talked about with the peers that he's talked about. He's Proven that he has a resume for that. But it just. I don't know this one. I thought it was. It was 3 0. And with the information. With the information that Hitman had in the third round, especially somebody like Mook, who's been in this for so long, you think he's. We've heard every skeleton that he has in his closet. With the information. I feel like Hitman made it so basic and didn't deliver well that it didn't even matter, which is crazy. And on top of that, I do applaud him for thinking the battle rap world cares about domestic violence. Like, this ain't. I don't think this is the arena where this is going to hit the way you think it's going to hit. Like, no, that's. That's crazy. And granted, it's. If any of that is true, down to the. We'll say grape so we don't get demonetized. The grape in college that got him kicked out. Beating up his wife, beating up his daughter. Yeah, that's fucking nuts. If any of that is true, I just will care about it on the Twitter timeline. The battle rap. You think that side.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That didn't even move anyone in the crowd on stage.

[C]

No, this ain't.

[B]

This ain't the place.

[C]

Yeah, they. They didn't. They didn't care about that. I mean, I salute Hitman for that whole thing together and, you know, for sure, that whole scheme and everything like that, you know, that's. That takes skill. But it just didn't land the way I thought Hitman thought it would land.

[B]

It was so fun. And salute to the battle rap community. I'm not saying all you guys don't care about domestic violence, but if you go look at Mass last round against Hollow, when he was talking about how Hollow schemed his man's out of the T shirt company and all that, that whole crowd was like, you're fat, you're up, you foul. All this. They care about scheming your man out of money, not beating up women.

[C]

No, they don't care.

[B]

You have to think about what.

[C]

Yeah, it just didn't land what this arena is. But I think he definitely outperformed them all three rounds, though. I think it was 3. 0.

[B]

Mook went crazy.

[C]

Yeah. Outperforming. I don't know if there's anybody left for Mook to battle at this point.

[A]

Point.

[C]

Like, who else is like, guys like Mook and Lux. It's like, who. Who do they battle?

[B]

Gotta wait for the. The younger guys to get better and have a. A longer resume so they can even get in that realm. But, yeah, I'm with you.

[C]

Yeah, it's like, it's nobody.

[B]

It's, you know, I'm just mooking daylight.

[C]

I don't know. Yeah. N. I'm cool. But either way, Shout out to. What is it? Takeover. Shout out to that platform. They definitely turned that event around in less than a day. So that was dope to get that. Get that battle. Last night, I watched that shout out to Mooka Hitman. Both of them put on a great showing of skill and wordplay and things like that, but Mooga's just different, man. Mooka's. He's a goat. He's top five when it comes to battle rap. Rap, I think that's solidified now. I know guys like to argue that and, you know, say that he's not. I don't know why they would even think that, but. Maybe my New York bias. But Mook is definitely one of the goats when it comes to battle rap. No, for sure.

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