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BET Awards Media Room Part 1: Jermaine Dupri, Ray Vaughn, Clarissa Shields, AZ Chike & More
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We with Jermaine Dupree, the legend. Yeah, yeah. How you feeling, bro? I'm good. What's happening? Listen, man, listen. I'm gonna be honest with you. I always admired your work ethic, but the last couple months, I feel like I can't open my phone and not see you working. Let's not see you in the studio. I know you got the Magic City thing you doing. How you feeling? Are you sleeping at all, J.D. a little bit. A little bit? Yeah, a little bit. But you working, though. Yeah, you working? How far? So is the project. Where we at with it? 80, 90. I got like 10 songs done. I don't know when I'm gonna stop, though. Okay. It's one of those you just like, but. Because every time I make a song, I keep saying, oh, I can make something better than that, because I. I get to a space and I feel like I can make something better. So I'm. I gotta stop myself at some Point. Yeah. Or I will just keep going. But I see you. You end with people. You with Akeem Ali, who I love Suaze. Like, you in there with people that we probably wouldn't think that you was gonna work with. But is that. Is that purpose of the new. Yeah. The goal is, I think, like, as a producer, you know, and a songwriter, you got to do something to keep you fresh and keep you excited. That's probably why I can't sleep, because I'm working with, you know, I'm getting a chance to work with people I ain't never worked with. So I don't know what. What they gonna do, and I don't know how they gonna feel when we get in the box. Like, it ain't, like, a great relationship coming. It's like my first time going in there, so it's kind of like a date. Like. Yes. You nervous? A little bit. So I'm just working. I'm working with a lot of people that. I mean, the whole album basically is artists that I never did songs with. That's what I. That was my mindset to do it like that. Is that. Well, because you just a legend in every sense of the word. Is that a way to kind of keep you motivated and refreshed, like, you got that new blood, new talent in the studio? I think it's for the people. I think it's for y' all. I think it's for everybody out there. Like, you know, people that probably, like, you know, the sway, the suave, they never. You know, I'm sure people never thought they'd see. You know, I was very surprised. But I like him. I like his visual. I like him because he's. He's a different flow in Atlanta. I think he get the light that he need. Absolutely. That's why I picked him. You gotta look at the producers that love him. Like, he has a whole project with James Blake. Yeah. Yeah. There's something special when producers like you, and that's pretty much what it is. I just wanted to give people something different. I don't want people to be like, yo, they. Oh, okay. It's already Magic City. If you've been to Atlanta, you've been to Magic City, you know exactly what to expect. Right? But you ain't expecting me to do all these records with these artists. Right. You know, people thought it was gonna be an album, and it started off like that, where I was just gonna A and R record and just get songs from people and do it like that. But I feel like that's just that's the old way, you know what I mean? And I don't think we've ever seen a producer do an album with his whole city only. Right? Yeah. I ain't putting nobody else on there but people from Atlanta. I love that fire. I mean, Division pretty much lives at your compound and you, you guys made it official. Yeah, finally. Finally shout out to the need to start paying rent at some point. Now they really there now. Yeah. So. So how's it, how is it now that obviously you have a relationship and y' all know each other pretty well, but how is it now that it's official and in that they're underneath J.D. i mean, I think it's just, you know, just understanding. I think like, you know, I don't know. I don't know because I don't know the business behind what was happening with them before. Yeah, I just know what I saw and then what I, what I was able to be a part of and then to, to get an opportunity to be a part of it because it wasn't, that wasn't even the works. When we did the last album, like, you know, them staying where they was at, I. I thought was perfect for them, but when I, you know, got a heard. What? What? Oh, wait a minute. Y' all done? Oh, come on, let's figure it out. So I just think that, you know, it was just timing because I didn't even have a deal like this at the time we did the last record. So for me to have my deal and then that, you know, they deal be up, it's. I think that's just God telling me that's a sign. Yeah. There was a lot of talk on the timeline the past two days. Timberland announced that he signed his first AI artist and that he's. We focus on that. Hey, Tim, I love you, but. I love you, but come on, Tim. I threw the throw up emoji over there. J.D. like, I get it. The technology, the new era, but it's just certain producers that's just too legendary to touch that type of. Like, if I heard JD had an AI girls group coming out, I would text JD Curse him out and hang up. Oh my God. They even have a picture and everything of this for this artist is like, I mean, I get it, Jay, I get it. Like, you know, we in a new, whole new era. The way we, you know, communicate and technology, I get it and I understand that it is part of the record making industry and the song making process with technology, but it's some things Just out of bounds. Like, it's like, we can't go that far. Yeah, see, I. I had to look at it for a bunch of different ways, right? I got in that. I took a ride in the Waymark. Yeah. I took a trip in the Raymond. I saw you post that. I don't know. Listen, it might be, you know, like, if you get in that car, it might be like, only music for that car. Like, I don't know what. What is. What his game is. I don't know what the whole thing is, but I'm just saying, like, it's a world out there. I guess they might have to have music for that world. Just our world. Right. Walking around, touching people. Like, you just said, jd, they got you out working. I feel like, you know, that ain't. That. This ain't for that person or whatever that thing is for the AI character. I just feel like it might be a world out there that I'm not privy to. I don't think. I don't know if none of us are maybe that. We don't know that you got to go into this virtual world. And anybody got radio stations. I know, like, somebody, they asked me to do, like, Grand Theft Auto, and they were saying, like, Drake got on radio station on Grand Theft Auto. The way that they getting ready to do it is that Drake can actually upload music that we probably ain't never even heard online or wherever else on that video. So I'm just saying you got to think. But that's a little different. That's like a playlist for a video game. Yeah, but I'm saying it's still inside that game. Like, you got to get on your. You got to get on your thing to actually play the music. You can't get in the car and hear it. Right. I mean, you could if they. They take it. But I'm saying they actually trying to make it where it's just like, you got to get in the car that's on that Grand Theft Auto to hear these songs. Right? So that's what I'm saying. So it's kind of like a. If he does it, say if they got a radio station or something like that, and you only hear the music over there. I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, I'm trying to make it cool. See, Wait, hold on. So let me take the thumbs down back. Is it because I thought. What I thought was keep it down. What I thought was it was an AI artist. It is, but I'm just saying it's produced. I think there is great stuff with AI it can help with pro tools. Like there is stuff with music. I think AI is very important and helping real artists. But when you go this far where it is something that's completely made up and then also where do you draw the line? Like, I mean I think it's the same thing extreme. Like I think like when they start saying streaming and they stop telling you how many records people sold or they said like or this person stream and they sold, blah blah blah. Selling and streaming is two different things. I think like if you gonna have that conversation about streaming, just say how many streams they got. Stop saying the streams equal this because when you do that then you're like you're not talking about streaming no more. Now you coming back into this, this, this world that you know, these Gen X people feel like is the dinosaur era. Right. So I'm saying the same thing. I feel like if they. And I think that's where the mistake happened. I think he introduced this in a world that ain't even into AI. Okay. Right. Yeah. So it's confusing to a lot of people. But if he introduced that at like a computer conference or they would love to make sense to them situation, it makes sense. People would be like oh my God. Right? That's what, that's why that's where I think the, the confusion comes. I to wait and see. I don't think you can introduce a AI artist. I'm sure they'll find a way by 2026. That's what I'm saying. But do you think maybe it could put producers and artists at, at risk? Like for example, with the AI they could take your whole catalog and upload it to this girl that is now Timberland's AI artist and she can take all that information and spit it out in a different way where you wouldn't even. It wouldn't be a sample, you wouldn't get any pub royalties. But they can literally just take a catalog. No, they're going to fix all that. That's what I'm saying. That ain't ready to just slide. Like yeah, you know like I got the new song Me Ti and the turnaround record. Yeah, I tried to upload it yesterday. The Tick Tock and I guess because it's got a sample in the day flagged me this song ain't even out yet. So I don't think they, they on all that. They not getting ready. Song ain't out yet and they flagged them for the sample. But, but even like if you look at chat gbt, people like using that to create lyrics. There's no sample in that. Chat GBT just has all the information of the Internet. Yeah, but. So it just makes them smarter. Listen, I say this. Hopefully it opens the door for people to have more jobs. Yeah. People sit at their desk and try to figure out whatever they got to do. I just. I just think that it's a different world. I think it's a world out there that we probably don't know about. Like I said, like, I'm asking. I don't ask everybody about the way more and everybody. Like, I don't know if I'm getting into it. They riding around here crazy. Yeah. Especially in laundry. Different. Like, ain't nobody jumping in them, but they out here. They moving. So that mean, like, it's a bunch of, you know, the urban community, we always be late with technology. So I'm happy to see that he doing it from that perspective. But, you know, when you're the first one to do it, you're gonna get some flag 100. You're gonna get some flack for it. That's why I stopped buying cars first, because in Atlanta ain't understand. Yeah, that's a flex. That's why I stopped buying cars first, because they ain't understand. For real. All right, so you got the. The so. So Deaf billboard is back. Yeah. In Atlanta. Yeah. You seen it on BMF last night? Y' all didn't see it? No, I didn't see BMF last night, but when I saw you post that, I was happy to see that, because it's nostalgic for somebody like me, because I remember what it was and how crazy that was when you first put the billboard up years ago. Yeah. And you also got the. Was it Social Deaf University, I think. Were you interned? The kids are interning. Yeah, well, I'm doing an internship with Emory. Okay. Well, I did it this. This semester, and I'm gonna probably keep it going. I think it's cool for kids to come learn. And I think, like, just the word intern, I don't think people even understand what that is. Like, if you was an intern here, you gotta, you know, pick up cords, plug stuff in. Why you gotta get y' all some car? I don't think they understand that. Yeah, they was coming to the studio thinking they was getting ready, rapping all this, and we had to like, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is what interns do first. Right, Right. I mean, then you can get to doing what you got to do. So I think that it's important that somebody, not just me, other people do this. You know what I mean? So I don't think the. The. The kids on that, Rory, or the young adults understand the type of person that they have access to. What JD's doing with the internship, like, to intern for JD, it don't get much bigger or better than have access to that. JD meant you get to go in the studio. They thought interning for JD was like the rap game. Like, they thought that's what they saw. The plaque. I assume mine was gonna be right next to them. Herbie wearing the dog. You're not doing the same thing for me. You gotta get that mop over there. Yeah, I need some snacks. You know, blah, blah, blah. Like, they was like, what? Wait a minute, we gotta take trash? Yeah, all of that. All of that. Six months of that before you touch an npc. You don't see nobody do that in a long time. It feel like you being mean to people. Nah, that's how you learn. Yeah. So now we was talking about the whole Joey Badass thing, and I remember meeting him in your studio. Oh, damn. That's when you met him? That's the first time I ever met Joey. That's great. First time I ever met him. And I was telling people. I was like. I was so blown away because he was standing there in front of, like, jd, you know, if you've never been in the studio, he got anything he's ever worked on or done with. A thousand plaques all over the place. But Joey was standing in front of Bow Wow's plaque for about five minutes, just staring at it. So I'm looking, I'm like, well, why he looking at bow plaque like that? And he said, yo, this was the album that inspired me to start rapping. And I tell people that. I'm like, I would have never guessed that Joey Badass's inspiration to rap came from Bow Wow. Now you say you've been watching my videos. You heard Suave say the same thing. Absolutely. That shit is crazy. Like, it's crazy to me to hear these guys. And I'm like, damn. Like, nothing about Joey Badass's music style, anything says Bow Wow inspired me first. Yeah, they just. They was young, though, and they was. That's why, you know, that's another reason why I'm here today. It's the 25th anniversary of BET and 106, and park was a real, you know, pivotal ever for just all kids rapping, all kids singing, everything. So it was like. And we was at the head. We was at. We was at the head of that. Absolutely. You know, and Bow Wow was the person that they was paying attention to. That's just the age gap, I think. Well. Cause that doesn't surprise me. I'm around the same age as Joey and it's like, yeah, that was like. I mean, you know, I've heard it a bunch of times and I. I get tired of arguing about it, so I just be like, man, you know, I ain't getting ready. I'm not even gonna do this because I'm saying, like, it feel like people were like, you can't tell me you want. If you was watching bet, ain't no way in hell you can even deny it. Without a doubt. That's the thing. It was like kids like Joey Badass was coming home from school watching 106 and park, which is like a daily routine. Yeah. And they also were standing in line trying to get in there to go to 106 and park. So. Yeah. You know, even when Jay z was on 106 and pop performing Ja Rule, whatever. And still when it got the number one for five months straight, bow wow. It was bow wow. Absolutely. Mr. 106 and Park. Before we let you go, is there a possibility of a Three Stacks verse on this album? I don't. I mean, we've been talking about it. He running around Atlanta a lot, so, I mean, you know, that's my man. So from. From a childhood. So I'm not. I'm gonna bump into him, but, you know, I'm not gonna. You know, it's a lot of people out there that. That want to be on this record and, you know, and I'm trying to make. Trying to make it happen for everybody. So, I mean, if it don't happen, you know, I understand. Yeah, I get it. But he should be on there. I mean, I feel like as fans were old, the jd, he's a proper Three Stacks jd. People probably don't know he's very much a strip club junkie. Oh, no. Listen, I know that because I'm a little older, but I. Absolutely. I know that 100. But I think it makes sense for him to get on that and in a. In an Andre 3000 way. Oh, no. I wonder. I mean, you know, and like I said, that's why. That's another reason why Suava on it. I don't want Suave on it. I don't want. I want people to understand. I'm not. It's not. We're not making this just like trap, trap, trap, trap. Yeah, this is a. It's a. It's what I think the strip club should be playing. I feel like the music in the strip club shouldn't be so boxy. It should be. You know, that's how I grew up. It was different range of music that you heard in the strip club. And I'm just trying to open it up so I get back to that. Sure. The legend. J.D. j.D. We appreciate you, brother. Always good seeing you. And I gotta get back to Atlanta just so we can hang out and kick it again, man. My guy, we don't even need an intro. Hey, I told him leave them legs in the car. I wasn't gonna do it. He brought the legs all the way to the bt. You know, his jeans weren't torn when he woke up this morning. This is just sitting like this. That was regular denim. 10 minutes ago. He just was straight legs. We here with our guy brother, Armani White. How you feeling, man? What's up, gang? I'm good, bro. I'm hot as hell. Bet. Yeah. How you feeling? I'm chilling, bro. I. I didn't. I definitely packed it for the wrong season. No, you didn't. It's kind of chill night. I don't know. I mean, it's always cold at night, but like, during the day, that don't be. It be. Well, it go up to about 75, but at night it's. It's 60. Yeah, no, 50 something. Depending on where you at. That be bad. Absolutely. That is bad. How you feeling, though, man? I'm good. Where y' all. Where y' all was at last night? Y' all went out. I was studio and to sleep by 11 o' clock. I was knocked out. I woke up, all the lights was on. You know, one of them, One of them. The platter still and in the B and see, like that. Like, I was planning on getting to this. Everything was on. Did you go to a BT event? I went to, like, I wanted. How the. I go to. I went to some party. I went to some party and then we went to Def Jam. Had some like, R B night type of vibe. How many people did you falsely say, yeah, now we gonna link. Let's do that. You know, I did that. I did that. We gonna link. I did the fake, like. Oh, yeah, we overdue, like, right? All right. Yeah. My man, bro. There's a reason we haven't linked in 10 years. Don't even have my number. No way of contacting me. See, that's why I Don't go out. Because I'm at the age where I don' that no more. I'm a liar, bro. I'm still on my lion for sure. I just can't do it, man. So before you came, when Peach was setting up, I was sitting there getting framed. I left and I went and sat in the car. I was already tired of talking to any person that walked past what we were going to do. I sat in the car by myself like an old divorced man in the driveway waiting for this to start because I did not want to, like, politic or talk to anyone. Yeah, no, I feel you. I feel you. I was doing the same in my career. I put on. I turned on Call of Duty right before I came in. I was like, ah, nigga, I guess, bro, I got to work. Yeah. Like, I don't feel like this, but I am. I'm not going to lie. I am impressed by the fact that rappers are out early. Yeah, cuz rap is not an early. That's a fact. It's not an early genre. N. It's usually a like or a white man. Something like him that, like, has to, like, call you or bring or drag you out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. He called me about seven times today. Right? That's what I'm saying. I'm like, bro, I'm on the way. Let's look at my last text from Tamal. What's your eta? He was here already, by the way. That day. He was in. I was sitting in the car. But he know me like, listen, I want to. As soon as we ready, I'm walking in. Let me know, my man. I don't want to do it. Wait, y' all had to be here at 11 or before 11? I mean, we had to set up ish. Okay. Because it started at 11, right? It started 11. Yeah. Because I'm. I'm going say the reason I'm asking is because I seen Maul come in. Mall came in after me. Oh, you said, yeah, yeah. So when. And I got here late. Okay. So at that point, like, Jermaine Dupree was here before I seen Jermaine Dupree too. Yeah, but you know why? But you know why JD Kevin Hart was here. But you know why they get here? Cuz they trying to get out of here right now. It's a fact. So they like, yo, listen, get in. Yo, what's up? By the time y' all heard JD Was here, he already back at the hotel. Exactly. I think he's chilling. I like that. I'M I'm scared of Maul even saying the comment he just said about people being late. Cuz I don't even think Maul knows he's in hot water. He went. Maul goes viral for the most random in the world. Said, stop drinking soda in the morning. And he got killed for two weeks. Wait, I missed that one. Mall said he doesn't like mumble rap and doesn't like some of the younger rappers that can't read. It was a very funny read. Yeah. All right. Mouth breathers for sure. Right, right. Also mouth breathers. So the fact that Maul is now saying that black people are late at the BET Awards sitting next to me, I'm. I'm nervous of where this is going to go. The thing is, I could say it. Yeah, yeah. You can't. I'm not saying it. I'm just saying I sit next to you when you go viral. Right? Yeah. There were stick pieces from scholars from the black community. And my white face was in that white man sitting next to him. Again, it over turns that he said it. Right? The cardi b every time. Yeah. Now you be getting killed. Time though. Some reparations. But I take that when we first started podding, y' all would use the N word and they would clip it and say, I said it. And I'm like, you could see the mouth. My mouth isn't even moving. So I'll take some cardi B heat instead of that back in the day because. Absolutely. I think. I think it's the fact that everybody collectively knows that at some point, not like, not offensively, but at some point you drop the nigga. Like, I don't know, like in your 30 some years of living, like, you drop the nigga somewhere. Like, it's just like. I think. I think Rory might have dropped it when he went on his side. We have to do this at this event. We also want to. We're fighting on the spot, right? Where else would we unpack this? @ BET. We've hung out in a studio at residence. There's plenty of times we can have this conversation. We didn't have to have it here. Yeah, yeah. I just found out. I just found out. Teddy Swims is nominated for BET Award. I love when white people get nominated for some shit like this. You know, Hilarious to me. You got two. I have two BTs. Yo, this is great. This is like. This is what we need. This is culture. I have a BET Hip Hop Award and a BET Award. Wait, did you. Did you go up? You had to Go up. Did you? No, that was the one they did digitally. Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ye never. Did you ever take a picture with, like, one of these? No. Just solidarity, like, you know what I mean? We stand united. I mean, when you walk in my crib, it is right there, though. Like, I'm proud of the war. I think the BET wars. I take it very serious. I love the word. I just think it's funny that I have it. Last time I seen you, I was Muslim, I think. You know what I'm saying? I think you should do the same thing, like, just. Like, just for this season of joy. I've always been Muslim, right? So, you know. Yeah, well, we. We. Who are we looking forward to seeing, though? Like, who's performing? Teddy Swims. Teddy Swims is performing? No, you see, Amani, that was Belly Gang. That wasn't Teddy Swims. Belly Gang is performing, not Teddy Swims. Amani. Look at this legs. Y' all don't think this is crazy that he's doing an interview like this? You don't understand. When he first posted this on the Internet, I sent him him, like, Googled research of how bad this is for you. I told him, don't make this a thing. I told him I used to put GI Joe like that on the window. GI Joes on the window. It was the thing that took the evil kid in Toy Story. You look like every Sid toy. That's your stance. You're a Sid toy. I think it's dope that we have. The bet was. And I don't know who's. Kevin Hors is host. Houston. Kevin Hart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Philly, huh? Huh? That's. That's about as much as I finally asked the media BT question. No, no. So Philly, right? You know Kevin Hart, right? You gotta know Kevin Hart. But who else is performing? Like, I don't even know who's performing this. Yo, I know Teddy Swims is nominated. This is all I know about BT. Teddy Swims is nominated. Kevin Hart's performing. It's in LA, I think. Yeah, it's in LA. You are from Philly. They gave us JD's Wikipedia, but didn't give us who' they came and gave us a JD bio. Like, we don't know Jermaine Du. I'm like, bro, why are you handing me this cultural architect? All right, well, let's look in real time. Okay? I like this because you're a friend. We don't have to do, like, a real interview. We can do it in real time. Okay? There's a there's a lot of women panels. Okay, okay. That's all I'm saying. A spicy moments. I see nothing. I don't even think they doing performances this year sound like. Well, we got wind of who is performing, but he told me not to say nothing. We'll talk about it. Okay. Okay. That is, that's going to be dope. Right, right, right. Other than that, I don't know. I really don't know who else is performing this. Yes. The 25th anniversary. Somebody said. Wait, wait, hold on. All right, so People magazine BT Awards 2025. Everything you need to know about culture's biggest number night. Love the headline. Why is the picture Kendrick Doi and Drake, two of which that will not be in attendance. Yeah, no, this is not happening. I what is People magazine doing? People magazine said black people. What black people do we know right now? 2025 and put two people that are definitely not going to be here. Yeah, okay. All right. May be hit up. No, I just saw. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Lil Wayne Taylor performance. Okay. Okay. I love Tiana's new record. You love Lil Wayne record. My bad. I, I, I think you intentionally skipped over there. That's one of the songs on there. I like I have not given it. I got halfway through it all the way here. That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Yo, Money, don't do that. Okay. Don't hit the matter matter of fact, that I don't like all the Wayne hate that's been happening. So he's been getting killed on the timeline for the past 24 hours. Defend him. The first, first five records I heard weren't that they weren't as bad as what I thought the timeline was saying. No, you talking about the intro where he wasn't on it or the like. All right, see, now I want to make sure I'm on the same page. How you feel about it. I ain't finish it like me and Rory. We listen to it together. I still haven't heard Chance though. Yeah. Okay. Welcome to the card. You didn't like. You didn't like Bells, the third record that didn't sit with you. That's not gonna keep. Wait, what he what did he sample? When is gonna te say, hey, can you take that Wayne part out? Yeah. Good morning. Damn, that broke my heart. It's a couple on there that I thought was okay. It was that elephant noise one. I didn't hear that. I didn't get to that one on the timeline. That was like the worst one, right? Nah, he, he, he Free. He did ban from TV. He. He redid banned from TV, which I feel like band from TVs on no ceilings though. I don't need him to rap it on it. Yeah, he did not smoke it on this one. I. Yeah, the blunt was out. No. No papers. No papers. I like walking to the flex up. I don't know if I got to flex up. Welcome to the car I liked and bell I like. But again, I. This isn't a cop out. I am going to actually listen to it. We were traveling and you know. I was traveling too. That's what I'm saying. Right. You see, I had to get here. Like you can't listen. You live in LA anymore. Yeah, yeah, but I was traveling. You had to get. You see what I'm saying? It was a lot going. It was a lot going. It's BET weekend. Like you can't listen to music during bet. You know about United WI Fi. It's rough. Exactly. You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm saying? It's all distributed. Yeah. You're just going to be, you know, color wheel the whole time. You barely get to a song. You know, you fall asleep. Don't charge your phone. Yeah. I mean 1%. Just call the Uber. I'm about to say you need. You need to call the Uber. So like you can't use that. Get the old charger. Yeah. Uhhuh. Yo, y' all, are we gonna have to clean up a lot of that? Not keeping this. We can't do that, man. We can't put that. But this will this part of go on Patreon. This will go. I can assure you Wayne and Karen Sil are not subscrib Patreon Armani. Talk to us about Bow Wow. What about him? So you're from Philly? No, listen, everybody that we sat down with today with the last. So you know Billy Eilish. Billy Eilish is probably a Bow Wow fan too. Is Bow Wow one of the. One of the guys that you listen to growing up? No. Yo. No, actually, actually. All right, Bow Wow. I didn't listen to Bow Wow like that. I listened to the one whatever the record that I sample represent that or whatever. Okay. But I used to. I used to tell me and my sister used to go to this park down the street from my house and she would tell people I was little Bow Wow and I would take pictures and they would pay her. Like we, we. We got like $20 like just off of Cuz I had hair. It wasn't that many little with hair at the time. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, like, it was a lot of little. Probably was a lot in my neighborhood. It wasn't. That means there could be two Catfish episodes of somebody pretending to be Bow Wow. Who else was pretending to be Bow Wow? That was the funniest episode. I never seen it. No, I never seen it. Let a dyke pretended to be Bow Wow. And damn. This girl was sending damn Bow Wow money. Because, like, I did see this, like, every time. Every time Bow Wow, like, went to film, his, like, credit card would be frozen and she was like, no, I understand. Right. That makes it makes sense. Like, Yeah, a little bit. Right. So, yeah, it's just a bunch of money. Bow wow. So you were the original Catfish Bow Wow. I was the original Bow Wow. Yeah. No, I. The funny thing is the song that we did where we sample blah, blah. He put a verse on it. I ain't going to say who didn't allow it to come out, but he put a verse on that. Joe. Now you got to say who. You got to say who stopped the verse? You know who stopped the verse? Some. It was somebody from the Higher. That was like, it's definitely Rock Nation. Yeah. Absolutely. Nothing to do, but it was dead. I thought Bow Wow slid. I thought he slid, but, like, hey, was with that Bow Wow? Really? Yeah. N. Bow do. I mean, he slid on the original? Yeah, I mean, you know, 20 something years ago. Yeah, I think JD wrote that. Didn't JD write that? Probably. No, I think that was. That might have been the time when T.I. was writing for him. That might be a T.I. everyone but Bob. I slid on that at this point, like, I was. I was with Bawa. I'm about like, yeah. So you wait. The question was, he's a. He's a legend. You saying is he a legend in Maul? Cannot believe people our age, like, revered by pow wow. That's not what it is. I was that, though. No, no, no. 100. But he. That let me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not sit like that. Don't do that. Don't do that, bro. That's too. It's too much going on. Do not do that. I recognize that he is a legend. Yeah. But I just think that now the artists that he inspired are actually doing their thing now. And they're outside, they're moving around, and now I'm interacting with them. So I'm hearing it more like, no. Bow wow inspired, huh? N. That's all it is. But I know I'm very aware of how insane Bow Wow was as an artist growing up. 100. And how do you not know who wrote that? You had to split the pub with them. Just look at your contract. I'mma tell you that. Oh, my God. I'mma tell you that. I know. And I'mma tell you that one. Whoever wrote that hook was fire, because I tell you who name wasn't on it. Listen, Bow Wow has. Bring some, man. 2025. We with our guy on. Yo, bro. Thank you. To the point that I just want to take y' all. Y' all are crazy, man. Yo, that's funny as. All right, Rory. We are back at the media room. BET Awards 2025. Yes. We are joined by someone who I have been wanting to speak with. Big fan of hers. Love what she's doing in. In the sports world. We haven't had a chance to connect personally, but here we are at the BET Awards 2025. Joy Taylor. Yes. We actually need a proper. We have a segment called don't know Bo Ball that we do every Wednesday. Oh, yeah. I don't know. You don't know about ball. We need you to come on there to properly tell us about and act like they do, but we need somebody like you. Joy had this conversation a few minutes ago. It's okay, though. It's so intimidating to talk about sports. Like, who cares? So you wrong. We're wrong all the time. I mean, I'm not wrong, but, like, you know, people be wrong all the time, like you mere mortals are. But, you know, it's okay. It's. People be ranting and won't even know that the player's not on the team anymore. Coach is not even there. Like, it's okay. We just. We just talk. That's all right. It's so intimidating to talk about sports. You don't need to know every single rule and every single player that played for the 87 Yankees. Like, it doesn't. It's. No, that. That defines who you are as a sports broadcaster. What is the blood type? Was. Was Babe Ruth actually black? Yes or no? Yeah, we need questions. We need the answer to that question. And I feel like we have it. But they're like, you're not taking Babe Ruth from us. So this weekend, we're going to take. We're taking Beirut for the weekend. And then I have seen the photo of his first cousins. Yes, that is a black man. Yes. Yes. George Herman. That name is who. All right. What are we talking about? All right. Yeah, I don't know how we got here. Is Halliburton, the worst human being that's ever existed. That's how I feel. Listen, I hate everything about him. It's from pure hate. It's from pure jealousy. He is having an all time run. His life is never gonna be the same and I love it for him. Yeah. Like, be prepared because if you hate him, he's gonna be on every commercial this summer. Yes. You about to see his face on every promo for the league next year. He's gonna have deals on deals. It's gonna be. I can see it now, like someone is scripting this cinematic. Do you remember the. Remember the commercial LeBron did with the Take Me to Church? Of course. Coming. Yeah. When they took the Blues Brothers. Yeah, yeah. But for Halliburton, for the overrated thing, like, it's gonna be like all the, the clips and it's just gonna be like dribbling. Yeah, yeah. And then they're gonna. I mean, just give me 10. I just wrote it for you. Very. I'm very. I mean, I. We obviously know he's a. He's a great player, but. But I am surprised by his performance in the playoffs. I will be honest. I think we all. I mean, we all are. It's. He's. But we're surprised because we've never seen it before. Like, he's never had these moments. Last year they got swept. Yeah, They're. Let's be honest, they're the Pacers. They don't have national media games. They don't get that kind of 14 national games this year. Right. Yeah. So it's just crazy. It's really not surprising that everyone is surprised. And. And he's now stepping into the moment. Like. Like you are something and so you're not. Right. So I think the overrated things, obviously, like, that's going to follow him and make it. At this point, you should want to be called overrated. Josh Allen won the MVP in Halliburton, was having the run of his life. Like, call me overrated. Please, somebody speak this on me. Like, yeah, do a. Do a 40 minute podcast. Have we seen a playoff run in the last decade that has been close to Halliburton right now? Well, Halliburton is also so unique because he isn't LeBron. He isn't. Yeah. He's not this overwhelming figure. Like, he's. Isn't he not an intimidating figure on the court? But his. The thing that I think that. That people aren't speaking to is the fact that that team has been together. They kept that team Together, their core players. A lot of the guys have been together maybe two or three years now, and I think it's just clicking at the right time. They. If they end up winning this series, they're going to make things very difficult for a lot of GMs because they are not built with multiple superstars. They're not built to be a. A super dominating team. They would have beat a completely dominant team in the Thunder who has the league mvp. So the excuses of oh well, we need more stars or we need. No you don't. You need to put together a roster that complements each other, that plays a certain style of ball, that has someone who is a clutch player player and is extremely well coached. I mean, do you think that AAU era is over? Like even to the Celtics, what they've done? Of course they're superstars, but not to the degree of what like the Heat used to do. Even the Celtics before Lakers. Is that done? Even with. Well, I mean, I think the super team era kind of died with Kawhi. Like when he moved, he. He sort of debted the. The super team thing. And we haven't really seen a super team win since the Warriors. They've still been assembled, but it just hasn't worked out. And the risk of that is you're so top heavy that you have to really be with an organization like the warriors or like the Heat that finds these players that they can develop quickly and put them in these like unbelievable positions to ascend in the postseason. Like you got to be a well run organization to do that. Yeah. So I do think the league is changing in a lot of ways. Obviously it's become very international. So the style of play is changing. The, the fan base, how we consume it is changing. How we react to certain players is changing. Like it's just. We've seen the switch over from the OGs to the younger guys now in this Finals. It's also two very small markets without transcendent superstars like SGA is a superstar for sure. Halliburton's just become one. But he. SGA is not a household name for the casual sports fan. Right. So I do think like what happens next year with the league will be very interesting. Like how and what young player takes that face of the league role on? Because while LeBron is still there and his, you know, shadow looms over the. The league as it should and Steph is still there, it's. It's a new era and who steps into that space will be very interesting or if we Even need it. I mean, I think that you do. Like, I think when you think of a league, like, you think of the NFL, you think of Mahomes. Yeah. You think of, like, the young stars in the league that are winning. So it'll be interesting to see how it develops. Jordan, what does your passion for sports talk come from? Like, did you grow up in a household where you had to kind of like, argue over what we were watching and things like that? Like, where does that come from? Because you don't see many women talk sports the way you do. Like, you talking from a very. A place of. No, I grew up. This is what I do. Like, where does that come from? So I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And I grew up with my aunt. Aunt. And my aunts and my grandmother were big sports fans. As most. Pretty much everyone in a city like Pittsburgh is still. Still a nation. Yeah. And when the game came on, everyone had to shut up. They knew every player, they knew the coaches, they knew the coordinators. If they lost, they were pissed. Everyone should be fired. Like, I just grew up. My mother is a die hard Cowboys fan. Don't ask me why or how, but she is a diehard Cowboys fan. She will rewatch games two days. Like, we know the outcome of this game. She's like, yeah, but I didn't get to see the first quarter. So she will rewatch the game. Yeah. Which is like, I'm not even that bad. So it's just always been familiar to me to have an opinion or a point of view on sports. And I grew up playing sports. I played basketball, soccer, volleyball, track. Obviously, I come from a sports family as well. Well. And I really think growing up in a city that sports is ingrained in, like, the culture and the community of the city in such a historic way, in such a proud way, because the Sealers are just like a dynastic organization. It's just. It's just familiar to me. Like, it's. I just expect that everyone has a point of view on sports. Yeah. I have to remind myself sometimes, like, everybody doesn't care this much about sports. We do the same with music. Yeah. We. It's. It's just what's familiar to me. Okay. Yeah. As coming from a city that is the same way about their basketball team. I've been a lifelong tortured Knicks fan. That's why I started with. Yeah. Hating Halberton. Yeah. Before we let you go, how do you feel about the tips firing? I didn't like it. I didn't like it. I didn't either. So I'm. I loved it. I get it. But because I knew he was going to get fired. He's the only one that's brought us this far. Like, I'm not a big fan of firing coaches. I. I think a coach really has to earn getting fired. Also hearkening back to the Steelers, like, the Steelers are always good. Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season. Yeah. Which is remarkable. And especially when you look at what he's had to work with from the quarterback position. Yeah. They've had three coaches in the history of their organization. They've been incredible coaches. But the problem with firing coaches is we just look at the guy who we see. Right. We don't hold GMs accountable the way that we do coaches. Obviously, we can't hold owners accountable. But owners fiddle with things all the time that take things out of the coach's hands. So when you have a meddling owner, is it the coach's fault or is it because this owner didn't want to pay this player that this coach wanted? Like, we don't know all the behind the scenes things that happen. What we do know is consistency and growth. And I feel like that's what Sibs did for the next organization. And he stabilized the organization. Like, I hate talking about poorly run organizations. Like, I don't want to give them airtime because I know how hard it is for people in that building to have success. When you go into work and it's utter chaos when you don't have the things that you need, when you don't have the support that you need, when you don't have the staff that you need, when they're not bringing in the players that you need. Like, it's so hard to win like that. So much goes into winning. And we zero in on the coaches because they're the guys that we see on the sideline. Also, when you fire a coach, their whole staff usually gets fired. Which means there's a whole changeover. So players, guys who are down the bench a little bit who had this connection with this coach who are actually developing and like getting some momentum now they got to get a new coach in there. Maybe they don't get along with them. Like, there's. It's such a. It's such an avalanche of effects that happen when you bring in a new coaching, a new coach. Because they have their own staff. Yeah. And then maybe they have a specific style of practice that doesn't work. Like, it's just. It's never ending. Yeah. And I am Just a fan of. It should be obvious that the coach needs to be fired. Like, it should be obvious. And if you are. If you take this organization further than they've been in 25 years, maybe just give him one more year. That's what. That's where I was at. I'm bad at that. But he made some mistakes in the playoffs. But I'm with Joy on that. Like, it needs to be a bigger reason than just they fell short. But. But there's. There's the thing going around now that's kind of alluding that cat got him fried in Minnesota and now cat got him fired in New York. Well, we're showing clips of them kind of having, you know, disagree. Yeah. I don't know that that's like, who's going to take him? I don't know that that's, like, the reason he got fired. Obviously, we know superstars play a big role in who the coach is, and if they stay and sometimes they may make, like, an offhand comment that influences things. I don't. I have no idea whether he did or he didn't, but to me, I just. I. I would have given him one more year. Yeah. Like, I think they had. They overachieved this year. Nobody had them in the Eastern Conference finals. Right, doll? Due respect. So you overachieve this year. Yes. You fell short. Run it back one more year. You've gotten better every single year. If you fall shorter than your expectations next year, cool. You didn't get the job done. Invest in a bench and. Yeah. Give it another year. Yeah. I would have given it one more year. Yeah. Well, Joy, we got to have you on. Don't know. Ball. Yeah. Let's do a proper episode. For sure. Next time you're in New York, anytime, we'll talk. For sure. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah. All right, Rory, we are back. BT Awards 2025. Yes. And we are sitting down finally with a West coast representative on the rap side. Well, we had Mozzie earlier. Yeah. Oak Park. Now we're sitting down with Az. Az. Chike. Yes, sir. I don't want to say chike. I'm going say Az. Chike. How you feeling, bro? Man, I'm good around working. You, man. Day two. Day two. Yeah, we're getting it right. Listen, it's a good weekend, though. Bet. Weekend is always a good weekend. Always a good weekend. I'm proud of you, too, Mo. This is. This is showing peace and solidarity. Yeah. He had my. My favorite verse on gnx, My favorite feature, for sure. I mean, no homo. I followed him right after I heard Peekaboo. I don't even, like, follow men on. On Instagram like that before you told us that. I'm glad. Like, after I heard. After he said, heard about your man, not sorry for your loss. I was. I'm following him. What's this? That's the. What's this? Gentleman's Instagram. That was the only person I followed immediately after I heard gnx. But with what the Internet thinks about you, I think this is great that both y' all are sitting down the west coast together. The show we can all live. They tried to make it a East Coast. West coast thing. Ovo, West Coast. Nah, man, it's all love. It's nothing but love. Especially for me. La, you know, Rory, LA is a second home for me. How you feeling, man? How's the success of, you know, being on one of the biggest albums of the year? Yeah. How's. Life changed? How's, you know, how the ladies treating you? How they talking to you now? The text was messages responding a little faster. Yeah, yeah. You know, that I ain't talked to in three years. Opening up old threads. I like that. He said, okay. You know what I'm saying? That classifies. You don't told me for three years, then you see that. Yeah. They responded to text, happy birthday from three years ago. Crazy. Now they was checking up on you. Yeah. They didn't even hear about the Super Bowl. But n. Man, I just. I just been working, bro. And, you know, like, I've been doing my best just to stay focused and not get too caught up and everything, you know what I'm saying? Because it can be a lot. Yeah. So, you know, I just have my little things. Like, I like this last thing when I did the GNX tour and shit like that. I think, like, through all this that's been happening in the past six months, I felt that one the most. Okay. Like, once it hit all over the Internet, like, I felt like, overwhelmed a little bit, like, over stimulated, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I felt that the most. So I kind of, like, I didn't take a little break, but I didn't post or nothing for a little bit. Like. All right, hold on. Let me let this sink in for a minute, you know what I'm saying? And, yeah, that's. That's really just how I've been dealing with everything, though, you know, just finding balance, you know what I'm saying? Has there been a lot of pressure, you know, because I've seen because the Internet's been a mess with everything that happened last year. Facts, facts. Has there been a lot of pressure with people saying every feature from GNX should have capitalized on that the next day? They were like, why didn't they all have albums ready to go that next day? What's the pressure been like, like with getting something so important and so great? I mean, respectfully, bro, I. I don't really deal with that because I'm the example that they using is why should have capitalized. Well, you should have did it like Chai. Well, Chai did this. So I don't necessarily feel. Feel that particular pressure. I guess the pressure I do feel is like coming with a real body of work, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's what's gonna stick and count, you know what I'm saying? So. And it's not really pressure, but you know what I'm saying? Like, I feel it though. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's the only thing I'm kind of am like focused or like, I guess you could say concerned about is like following up with that body of work, bro. Like, that's what's gonna count. Like these singles I do is cool. You know, the dot looks is great, but you know, I, I gotta build my own foundation and it's gonna start there with that album, you know, I mean, so my bad. Word. What is it, what is it like for you though? Like to, to be able to touch a stage in a stadium like so far, like. Yeah. That many people looking at you, hearing you. Yeah. Like, how does that affect your creativity? How does that affect, you know, the way you look at the industry? Like. Yeah, things have to change once you on a platform and a stage that big. Yeah. I mean, it really just leveled me up, you know what I'm saying? Like, and you know, like, like when, when, when I did the. Like. And that's why I tell a lot of people. Like, I, I was so focused on the performance. I didn't really like get too submerged into the crowd, like, you know what I'm saying? I had to cut some in ears in so I couldn't hear nothing. Like all I could hear was the beat myself and die. Like I couldn't hear nothing. And then I was so focused on hitting my cues. Okay. You know, I didn't, you know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't want to bump into the dancers. And then when you see us walk on the second side of the stage and like I had to keep up with them. Then we did the little choreographer Boo Bob, bam thing. So I'm so focused on that. Like, it didn't hit me till later. Like, I'm liking all the videos on Twitter, people freaking out, but I'm like, I'm really saving this for later. Cause I'm gonna watch it. That was the only way I was able to see the crowd reaction was through the videos. And, you know, overall, it just leveled me up, bro. You know what I'm saying? Again, it just make it make sense. And as people know, I fall for that. You know what I'm saying? I had to get on dot ass to make sure I got on that stage. And I couldn't fuck up. Couldn't fuck up. Cause I. Yeah, you gotta be ready for it. Yeah. And even before we went on stage, he, like, called me in his green room. Like right before, like, two songs before, I think Sza was still on stage. And he was like. He was like, you nervous? I was like, no. I was like, hell no. I asked for this. He's like, yeah, better not be nervous. You know what I'm saying? Meanwhile, your stomach rumbling all kind of. Keep your poker face though. Yeah, bro. So it's just a level up, bro. That's it. For real? For real, for real. How. How has that helped with what you want to do with live performances moving forward? Because, like, going right to Sophie is crazy. Very crazy, bro. It helped a lot. I mean, the main thing is like, real live performance. No backtrack. Like, that's the real thing. Yeah. Okay. Keeping your breath. No backtrack. Like, I performed without backtracks before, but not the full hour set. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a different ball game, like, you know what I'm saying? So that's one thing that I took from that. Did I have to work on. I don't have it all the way. Like, there's some songs out of my catalog that I can do, but the other one, like, I gotta figure out a way, like, you know what I'm saying, to sauce it and you know, like, do different things and that. That's the one thing. The. No backtrack, like the real performance, you know what I'm saying? After hitting that type of stage, do you feel like at some point. Point you probably. You took for granted exactly how much goes into performing? Because to be able to be on the stage that big and hit those cues, that's that far apart. Yeah. That type of performance is a different level. Facts. So do you look at that part of your career, like, okay, I gotta sharpen my live performance set. No, for real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time, bro, you couldn't tell me none of this was gonna happen a year ago. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I performed. What was it? I think it was the form, not. Not the pop out. But before that, I did. I think it was the Blank Face tour. Okay. With Q. Yeah. Hey, I brought us out there. And it still wasn't nothing like that because I didn't go with him. Like, we opened for him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But in a way. In a way, you know, again, I just. I think I couldn't see myself. I never see myself on that type of stage. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, now that I am, I guess you can say that, like, you know what I mean? Like, I have to get sharper, bro. Like, you know, the bar set high now. Yeah, the bar say hot and. Because everybody's seen it. Exactly. It's like, now they're like, all right, it's got to be at that caliber, regardless if it's 70,000 or 500 people in that room. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's a fact. One of my favorite videos this year was you with your family watching the Super Bowl. Like, honestly, that was, like, just beautiful to watch in general. That was crazy. You know, I complimented it in your comments and got killed by every TDE fan on earth. I just tried to compliment them. He's sitting with his family watching that, and then Kendrick does part of the verse with his name. I was like, this is amazing. Yeah. What was that like, sharing that moment. Moment just with your family? I mean, capturing, I thought was incredible. Bro, we didn't think he was gonna do that. Yeah, I didn't know. Like, we didn't even think he was gonna do that many new songs. But it made sense cuz he was going on a tour and it's pretty much the same set list, right? So I didn't. We didn't think he was gonna do that. My manager right here was like, we're just gonna watch. She's like, he's gonna do Peekaboo or whatever. Like, we're just gonna watch. And I got. I captured it on my Tik Tok Live. There was nobody in my life, bro. Probably like 12 people. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And he did the song. He did the damn song. So now we freaking out. Yeah, there's no way. Hell, I thought he was gonna Rap my verse, though, you know what I'm saying? So if you watch the video, it's like, he do the song, we turn. Yeah. Then he do my. We super freak out, bro. You know what I'm saying? And it was crazy, bro. Just a. It was a real wholesome moment. And I guess it's good because it was captured. Yeah. And it kind of give people, like, where I'm coming from in my essence and make them root for me more because they, like, you can see it wasn't some setup social media. It was you with your family kicking it with a real reaction. And they understand, like, how passionate I am. And my family only freaking out like that. Yeah. Because they know how much work I done put in, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, damn, all this is coming to wish. You know what I'm saying? So where we at with the album? How. How far are we? Or how close are we to getting it? Yeah. I gotta ask. That's the. Yeah, yeah, super bowl are cool. Where's the album? Where's the album facts? I've been working on it since, what, February, I think, so far. And I have some strong records, bro. I think the last stage I'm in now is features. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Even my last. My last single, I dropped Game Time. That came out of working on the album, you know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of great records like that and different shit, too. But I'm on the feature side of things now, you know what I'm saying? And I'm glad I took my time because through all these different events, now these other bigger artists is hitting me up like, you know what I'm saying? Like, not just rapper, but R and B artists, like, blowing my mind. Like, I mean, with your tone, I think you should be working with R B artists. Like, they telling me, like, you know, I'm working on some demos for you. I'm gonna send it over. I'm just like, nigga, what? Like, all right, bet. Like, you know what I'm saying? So that's the stage I'm at now is knocking those features out. I start working on it again next week. So, honestly, sometime soon, bro. Like. Like, it's gonna be this year for sure, though. Yeah, it's gonna be this year. I'm looking forward to hearing it, man. Man, I gotta get to work. Yeah, I'm looking forward. I get the word. I know Ma is critiquing, so I gotta get the word. Not critiquing. But you know what it is? I'm just listening differently because when you get those type of looks, you know, Toronto likes Kendrick to stamp you facts. I gotta hear what he. What he on, what he talking about. I know what that sounded like with Kendrick. Right. But let me hear what he sound like. I'm not looking, I'm not over critical. It's just like I'm looking forward to hearing what you did away from all of that. All of that. No, I don't like to call it noise, but it's noise. It's like. Yeah, it's big. What you did away from that once, that was quiet. Right? That's what I'm looking forward to. Real. Yeah, I like that a lot. Again, my opinion, the standout feature on GNX for Real Complex does lists. That's just what the they do. Yeah, yeah. What. What did you think about Complexes? Was it top 20, 25? They did 25, right? They did 50. Top 50 rappers from Los Angeles. How did you feel about Complex List? Pac wasn't on there. That was the biggest. Like, I didn't even notice that. Yeah, they told me that last night, bro. Do all this. I've been learning to separate myself from things. Okay. Like, like as far as, as like taking so personal. Can't take it personally. Everything is opinionated. Yeah. It's their opinion. Yeah. I'm not mad at it. Yeah. I mean, it would make sense to kind of get the backstory on who made the list. Okay. Like, are you even from the West Coast? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anytime we look at the list, we always want to. Who made this? Who made this? What's your like, what is your background? Right. What allows you to even make this list? Right. So until they start doing shit like that, I'm. I don't really feel no way about it. You don't give it too much energy because you're not really standing on business. Right. You're not coming out like, I wrote this. Yeah. My background is my credentials. This is what I know. Like I'm hip hop. You're not doing that. You're writing it and hiding like. Right. The goal is to get clicks and make people talk about it. So, you know you're going to put that type of shit. Yeah. But Game who. I felt just my personal list. I think Game is top five from the West. Just my personal. Yeah, the fact that they put him, I think, what, 11 games at 11. I think game is top five. I agree. He put out his own list. He had you at 78. I believe. Okay. 100. Yeah. How did it feel? Just like, you know, who, who Game is and what he represents to the west coast. Yeah, him. Him acknowledging that you should have been on a list when it comes to I with Game, bro. He has a amazing catalog. He a dog. You know what I'm saying? And you know, it's artists like, like that that like, makes my mom understand where I am. You understand what I'm saying? Because she raised me. We listen in the game, Black Wall street, all this. You know what I'm saying? So now it's real though. Like, so now she gets it. Like when I'm like, I send her the picture. I'm with Game. Wooty woo. She gets it. Like, oh, okay. My son really out here doing it. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I be needing those type of morning. So I definitely have a different respect level for Game. He. He definitely one of the ones, bro. Without a doubt. Doubt. Without a doubt. Before we let you go, because I, I feel like this was a great, peaceful moment for the Internet. Can you say something nice about Joey? Badass Joey is a dog. Yeah. Take that away from him. What the. Like, he cold, bro. One thing I can say. Oh, God, I wish, I wish, I wish. And what he's doing with the power is still, I mean, it's still amazing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I do wish he, he like consistently went crazy. Like, okay, not saying never wish he got into acting because I said that shit's still fire. Yeah. But I feel like if he just would have kept going crazy, he would really be like, you know what I mean? Like, he still is though. Feel me? But he definitely surprised a lot of people. Yeah. Me included with his, with his performance. But I, I, I was, I was. Who was we speaking to earlier where I said, I love the fact that all of that happened because it forced the rappers to rap. Everybody started rapping it. People was getting the studio putting records out the next day. Like, the turnover time was incredible. So if, if we got, if that is what we needed to. To get guys rapping, I'm for it. It was a good sparring, bro. Like, it was great. Like, that was fun. Nobody got hurt. Like, like, not like that, bro. But like, I done been in real rap function. You feel me, like, getting hurt. I catch you with the. You know what I'm saying? So that just, you know, kicking up dust, making the fans happy, bro. Even like, how daylight closed it of just wrapping up the entire thing. I thought it was perfect. Like this is how can it can be fine like everybody can just rap and everybody it's cool everybody move on yeah compared to all the other that's been happening before our list the dead op smoking wooty woo they really get gone they not here no more we don't need that energy you know what I'm saying? 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We outside. Here we go. Mitch, when the Bronx is here, I'm totally different. You have to. You have to give us a good introduction. Thank you very much. This one's actually. I'm glad she's here because this we could have actual personal interview now. You know, she curbed me for a date once. Oh, my God. I like that. I like that curve. This I like. I even try to set it up. What's the joint in Jersey with the ski? Let's go snowboarding. All right. I don't know if I like trying to snowboard. So he saw it on my. On my Instagram and then, yeah, he tried to finagle his way in there. Yeah. And I caught. I caught a little rhythm. Some research on what she like. Then I got curved, and I was like, you know what? It's hard. Ey, emojis here. I'm not even trying no more. She gonna get a fire emoji. You did not send me the little vinyl. Your vinyl for your song. You did not send me that. You were supposed to send me some sacks for your little thing. And you didn't do none of that. You ain't sending no merch. You ain't sending me. She's not a grown woman, but just like a woman. She's telling half the story. Yeah. You with me, at least. I'm sure with other people, it's different. You are the worst texter I've ever met in my life. I know, but call me. I tell everybody that. Everybody want to send all these text messages. Don't FaceTime me. Call me. Don't FaceTime me, though. But you can call me, though. Call me, like, so not knowing that after I get turned down for the snowboarding date, oh, my God, you think the next move is to call her? She like, yo, get this creep away from me. You gotta fight for what you want. Like, what you want. I wasn't committed enough. Yeah, you gotta get on your 300 SP. I'm gonna be on the concourse with a boombox. Let's talk about the music, because I. Absolutely. You're one of the. You're one of the ones that. Just. Your voice alone on the track. You set yourself apart from the entire pack. Thank you. What are we doing with the music? Because I'm. Wait. I'm waiting. Yeah. So a lot of people didn't know I was locked in a contract for eight years. I just got released two. Two weeks ago. Congrats, by the way. Thank you. So Monarch bought me out. But, yeah, I was locked in a contract with a production company. You know how they do. And, yeah, so they wasn't letting me release for a long time. Like, I wasn't really able to do anything, so. And it was kind of. It was messing up everything else, but I was still trying to, you know, hit my ones and twos. Like, I still had, luckily, Nikki helping me out. Like, I had a lot of people that. That was, you know. Know. I don't know. Can I curse? Yeah, a lot of people that was with me that supported me, so I'm very grateful for that. And then I was doing my modeling, my little acting thing here, and There, too. So definitely active. You was on stage. See you with Nikki. Nikki brought you. I thought that was fire. For her to bring y' all out and have y' all touch the stage, that was showing a lot of love to the next wave of female rappers coming up. How did that come about, the relationship with Nikki and, you know, the posse cut that y' all did, which is fire. Yeah, well, with Nikki, I don't know, I just always, like, just show love to her on Twitter, Instagram and everything. And then she said my name in an interview. Like, she thanked me in an interview for just, you know, just always saying her name, like, even through the hate train. Like, she, you know, So I don't know, it just. I kind of, like, grew over, over, past that. And then I did the. When she had Queen Radio, she brought me up there to freestyle for her, and that was amazing. So it kind of. It's weird how it started. Like, first she started playing my music on Queen Radio, then she hit me up to actually go up there and rap for her. And then she always, like, you know, throws me little bones and stuff like that. And I with her for that, you know, because she don't be having to do that, but she does. Yeah. Sounds like you had a better Queen Radio experience than we did. Oh, my God. What happened to you guys? Many moons ago, Kenny was shadow boxing with balloons in the background. I don't know. I was nervous. I don't know. I was scared. I don't know what's going on. I had a great time. I had a great time. Exactly. We are barbs, for sure. Yes. I know you guys be fighting crime. Yeah, absolutely. I think you have the best verse on that posse cut. Would you say the same? Same. Of course. I'mma be honest. I think Nikki's was right. Let me tell you why Nikki's was right. Because she said she was inspired by my flow. And the things that she was saying after me was fire. So I thought, like, hands down, like, you know, because I grew up listening to her, so to hear her, like, use my flow on the song and then kill it, I was. I was. My mind was blown. That's why I thought you had the best verse. But once Nikki put that out and I saw that she took. She was like. Because I thought maybe you heard Nikki's verse or. No, no, no. The fact that she was like, yeah, no, I got that flow from her. I was like, oh, yeah. She did a whole nother extra verse. She said that was gonna be it. She wasn't Even gonna do that. And then she heard my part and was like, nah, I gotta keep it going. And I'm so glad she did, because. I don't know, I was. Look, I was on a high for, like, months over that. I remember the first time I met Mitchell was in the studio. Same with. With Bird. Same. Yes. And we walk in the jungle. I think it was jungle. It was in jungle. Okay. Walking. And he playing this joint, and it's this girl rapping. And I'm like. The voice was. I was like, yo, who the is that up from behind the board? Cuz he. I guess he was sitting down right in behind the board. She pops up and was like, me? I was like, there's no way that that's her voice. Like, there's no way. Like, incredible tone, texture. Like, is that something that you. Because obviously you can't get away from it. Yeah, the Foxy and Malibu comparison, I stole it, I ran with it, I dunked it. No, but definitely I went through a phase where, like, when I did the top five project, I was like, I remixed Little Kim, Foxy, Lauryn Hill, Missy from there. I don't know, it was just like, I went to a deep rabbit hole of Foxy, and I was, like, listening to all her stuff, and then, I don't know, I just liked everything that she embodied. Like, you know, she was very pretty, very cutesy, but also very gangster. And that's how I feel like, you know, So I just, like. I honestly jacked her whole. I'll be telling her all the time, and she'll just die out laughing at me. But, yeah, I jacked that shit. No, I'm glad. I'm glad you. You cleared that up, because that was definitely. Every time I hear Mitch, I'm like, yo, Hudson, Tone is so crazy. It's definitely reminiscent of Foxy, but from a different perspective, you know what I'm saying? So was that. Was Foxy the one growing up? Was that the one? You kind of was like, yo, she's my. Like, I. I've always loved Foxy. Like. Like, really, like, growing up, I was like a Nicky head. Od. Od. Od. Od. Like, later on is when I started fucking with Foxy, you know? So, yeah, but I'm definitely a foxy girl. Like, you know, she was just so fly, and she's into fashion and I am too, you know, so. So, yeah, I think that's very New York, though. Fly girl. Like, you know, 100%. 100%. Yeah. Again, congrats of getting out of that awful contract. Y' all going to throw me a party or buy me something? I'm going to la, Boo Boo. We'll do it at the studio. Y don't know what a Labu is. I only know about snowboarding. No, Labuu is. Labu is the little ds. You don't know the little D. Oh, my God. All right, I'll buy you guys one. She. We got to look it up and get her one. Yeah, I got me a little Boo Boo. So we get. First of all, how much does it cost? It's like. It's like. It's only like, $40. Yeah. We get. Is there, like, an exclusive one that you don't have? I want the one that's $500. That's the collab with Dior. That one. But. But wait. You got to open mad boxes to find that one, though. So it's going to break like Willy Wonka and a chocolate factory. Like Golden Tickets. Yeah. So you. You online and get it, or you go online on the store. It's Pop Mark. You got to go to popmart. Pop. Y' all gonna. Well, the city, they be having the fake ones, so la, they got them pop. Popmart. Yeah. And a la boo, there's like, a $500 one. That's how much they're reselling it for. Oh, that ain't. That ain't nothing on me. What you. But look, I'm trying to get back in. I don't know how to do it. Find that. It's gonna break the bank because it's like, you gotta open it to see if it's. If it's that one. So you're just gonna be sit, like, weeks on end trying to find the one that I want. Crazy. And watch, when you hear about it, like, in a couple of weeks, you're gonna be like, yo, Malibu been put me onto that, remember? And is it just a LA thing exclusively? No, it's, like, because y' all know I'm Blasian, so it's like a big thing that's happening in Asia right now. And it's happening right now, too, because the Central Sea, he started wearing them and stuff like that. So it's a bunch of people in America. He started Nike Text, too, right? Oh, yeah. Trying to get me in trouble. That's what Sid said. He said he started Nike tanks, he said, because they thought that was a New York thing. When I be hearing those, like, I love the fact that s like, nah, I wish. 20 wearing a night. I'm 34. Now, I don't know, but we love Central C. No, of course not. For sure, absolutely. But again, congrats. I look forward that you can finally put out music. Thank you. Forward to it. Let's also talk offline now. You can put music out. I just dropped something with Jeremiah. It's called Benjamin Cruz. Saw the video. Yes. She had Jeremiah in the hood. Up top. Yes, Definitely in the booth. Did you clear that? Yeah, I'm 40th. Mitch is from the hood. I gotta check in. What I look like checking in. I did see that. I was like, she got Jeremiah uptown in the hood, like in the store and all. I was like, had the mink on. Fly very far. Thank you. Thank you. You know me, I'm checking her out. She's dope. She's dope. Yeah. And Alexander Wayne shut down his whole store for us in the Dream Mall. Talk your. That's fly, right? Get your shit on you. You know how we on my Fly girl shit. Malibu Mitch, PT Awards 2020, baby. Thank you, guys. Nah, I don't even want to do an intro with this. Listen, man, cuz they say we don't get a. Here's the thing. East coast, west coast. It's bias right now, man. I don't. I don't. I don't think it's gonna be biased. Not. It's our God either way. We wanted to talk to Kai, but I just seen my guy Reason walk this way. And I said, wait, they in the same venue? Yeah. Yeah, man, sit down. Our other co host, I have a group chat with her. And. And when you dropped your joint, man, we was on his ass. We were FaceTiming him. I was sending him. They was doing a lot. They were doing a lot. Why are you not replying? They was doing a lot. It was doing a lot, man. We sitting here with Kai Cash Reason, first of all, it's good to see y' all, man. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, for sure. For sure. BET Awards 2025. Y' all running around acting like celebrities. And I hate it. I hate it. But said I hate it. My social battery. Yeah, that's why I love it. So you gotta love it. I absolutely hate it. It's good to have both of y' all here. Yeah. After the last few weeks or. Or a couple months that we had, we sat down with a few Mozzie. Sat down with Mozzy earlier, Belly Gang, a few Pew. Other rappers. And everybody was on the same page of agreeing that the moment that we had with young rappers rapping and pushing their Pen and putting joints out was fire. Super tough. Was definitely me. Super tough. And I think that y' all two were definitely two of the guys that was through y' all hats in the ring. How was it from each perspective of that moment and your respective corners coasts writing? Like, what was the energy? We'll start with you, Kai, in New York, during that moment with Joey Badass, when we was getting jumped. That's. That's only. You showed up. For me, it's like, we supposed to be the Mecca. We supposed to have the spitters. We supposed to be. It's crazy, because I looked at it as a consumer at first. Okay. Until this dropped. Yeah, he dropped the dead apple. I said, wait, he's talking to us, all of you, and nobody's gonna say, like, joey Badass is gonna just. Yeah. Like, nah. I felt compelled. So I was like, as a New York rapper, who am I to not put myself into this conversation? Right? That was it. Okay. Reason. Cause you. You was on. We was on. On spaces for sure. And you said, not until I dropped. Yeah, did everybody. Yeah. Cause you shook the whole shit up. It was one of them things where I, like. Like, I agree with Kai. Like, it was. It was weird. It was like, why are these niggas just letting Joey catch all the fades? And so when Joey. So you admit we was being jumped? No, we wasn't. You wasn't being jumped. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's like, to me, it was like. Like, Joey said my name, but I didn't want to throw a whole joint at Joey because, like, Ray was going, Daylight was going. I'm like, it looked weird if, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's like. It's one. So I was like, I'm gonna throw Joey a couple bars, and I'm gonna just throw some grenades over there to the east coast and just see, you know what I'm saying? What pop out. But Kai was fired, though. Like, he was. Thank you, bro. He. And I gave him his flowers. Like, you know, like, behind the scenes. Yeah, but then. Yeah, directly after. Yeah, directly after. Like, to me, it was just like, I. I was. You know, of course the song is a song. But, like, I'm. I'm such a huge fan of, like, New York culture in general. That's what taught me to do how to do music, dress everything, you know what I'm saying? So for me, I'm like, why is New York not, like, standing on the same principles that I. You know what I mean? Know what to stand now after talking to some New Yorkers, like, how the fuck do we feel the same. The same way about this? Yeah. Yeah. And now we had odds because of that. I know you feel that way because your family is deep rooted in Brooklyn. And, bro, like, it's like, I'm like, I'm looking at it. That's why I said that at the end, too. Like. Like, we gotta. We gotta. We gotta get it together. The wave is back. Like, we can't do Drill forever, y' all. Like, I like it. I'm a fan of it. Shout out to all the artists I got friend. My friends do Drill. But it's like, if we wanna be who we were, if we have any hope for it, we gotta step up to the plate. Cause these niggas is rapping. Yeah, yeah. But I do stand. I told you, the west is the Mecca right now of. Of lyricist, and I'm standing on that. How you standing on that right now? Right now? Ranger shirt here right now. I just want everyone to be clear. We got to have a longer. A longer pod for this one, which we definitely need to sit down and have a proper episode for sure. How did y' all feel with that week and finally, like, lyrics trending on the top timeline? What was it like having Lake and Drama and y' all ear. Your team and your ear of capitalizing off that entire moment and the pressure of what that was like, I ain't going to lie, because I know Drama had a whole gangster grills. He's like, we'll do it in two days. You know, they didn't even know what I was doing. I finished the song. I sent it in a group chat. I was like, I'm dropping this canon. Was just like, run it. Drop. Run it. Like, let's do it. As soon as I dropped it, I sent it out. It started going crazy. It was just like, oh, I bet this was we on. And I was prepared for any responses, too. Like, I. I was. I was ready, cuz I knew, like, consequences and repercussions might come my way. That's cool. It's part of the game. Yeah. Once you pop outside, you got. Yeah, you got. You got to be prepared for what's coming. Gotta know. Yeah, but now that was. That was fire. My boy Oswald Benjamin actually sent me your joint and shout out to Oswald. Yeah. And that was when I immediately I went on Twitter. Like, I was like, I'm about to tweet this. This is fire. Like, but. But nah. Like, yeah, you always want to capitalize off of moments when people. And it's. It's funny to me because it's like hip hop does this thing where it goes back and forth between, like, lyrics mattering, you know, like the party and D, and then it go back. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? Like, so, you know, I'm just hoping that it. It can stay here in the space for a little bit, because it's like, it. We need to have, like, a lane where this is the topic of discussion. You know what I mean? And. And as much work and effort as we put into it. You get what I'm saying? Like, it. It needs to be that. So how tough is it? Because I both. You guys make great music, but a lot of the times, your freestyles will go crazy viral, literally. Is that, like a catch 22? Is that not really as great as people think it is? Does that put you in a box where you become the free? Like, I've had this conversation with Simba. Yeah, yeah, I can speak for me. I've tried not to, like, put myself in that box. So I try to, like, do freestyles at a time and then, like, lay off it for a cool minute. But also for me, I'm. Be honest. Like, people don't understand. It's hard to rap for three minutes straight and be. Yeah, like, over. Like, that is draining, bro. So it's like, we need breaks sometimes too. But for me, I would say the way I look at it now is we're in such a subjective era of the industry. It's like a freestyle could be a hit. Look at hot nigga, you feel me? So it's like, for me, anything that go for me is I'm running with it. Let's do it. Like, I dropped a preacher man feature. I mean, freestyle right after Nixon 6. And it kind of went up because everybody that started to pay attention, it's just like, y' all are paying attention to me because I brought my A game with lyricism, right? So it's like, if y' all fucking with me for this, even. Even y' all, like, I'm tapped in with y' all now, so I'm. I'm gonna keep pushing the needle forward. Yeah, when I gotta make songs, I'm gonna make songs regardless. Yeah, yeah. But I'm gonna stick to my guns because I feel like it's gonna help catapult me in the long run. Anyway, before we let y' all go, this is just simply for our group chat. I need you to rank who annoys you the most. Out of Lake Canon and Drama one to three. Who annoys you the most? I ain't gonna lie. We haven't got to a point where them n is annoying. Oh, man, oh, man. I hope they standing there clutching the waist. That's what that is. Everybody's at number one. So now do we have any possibility of Kai and Reason getting on the joint together? 1,000%. Yeah. That was the first thing. Yeah, that's the first thing I spoke about. I was like, we gotta. We gotta do a joint together. And it's. It's refreshing to me because, like, it don't be a lot of that, like, can actually. You know what I mean? Like, and so literally whenever I find somebody that I'm like, oh, this thing is actually fired, that's the first thing I think of is like, we gotta do. We gotta do a few joints, you know what I mean, and get some out. So I definitely. It's funny because I was actually gonna send him some. I got a deluxe dropping on Friday and I wanted to send them some for that, but the timeline wise, I was like, I'm not gonna be able to, like, unless this gives me the verse back in two hours. I just didn't. They still be. Yeah, come on, man. But no, we definitely gonna put some out. That this is what came out of that whole moment. And it wasn't, you know, a real beef and, you know, the Internet tried to spit it out with something else. I never felt like that. I felt like it was just raps, it just bars. Thank y' all for the energy that y' all put into it. For real. Thank you. Moment. Just being, you know, a fan of the culture and growing up in this. This hip hop thing, it was good to see younger cats still be able to throw their hat in the ring and staying on their pins. So I thank y' all for that. Appreciate y' all. Appreciate y' all. BET Awards 2025. Yes. Sitting and talking to some of our favorites. And this lady, this artist, this incredible talent that we're sitting with. One the of. Of the ones. Listen, with the new era, in my opinion, songs for women. Free. Free game for that was the soundtrack I'm talking about. I played that. I might have played that project every single day, non stop. The music was incredible. The pin game was incredible. So much the tone, everything. It was just like, hey, bro, I ain't had all these compliments from a man in a minute. Shut up. That's too much. We not doing that. Put my chain back on. We. We not doing that. And you have to appreciate it, cuz, you know, off Mike, you took one of his joints. Yeah, no, it's just. It's all love. I respected it here. I listen, it was some gangster. I respected it. Sorry. Why you do that? Switch? No, it's all good. We have the edit button. No, it's all up. It's all up. Hey, listen, I can't get in trouble with nobody. It's all love. That's real. I like you. That's hard. I can't get in trouble with nobody. It's all good. Jazzy, how you feeling? I'm so good. You look great. Thank you. The style is always immaculate. Thank you, bro. Almost. Thank you. I appreciate y' all, man. Yeah, man. And it was. There was also one time, a woman I follow on Instagram, she was on, like, one of her boat trips, and J.Y. was there. There was a. A lot of joints on the boat. And then after, like, two or three, even of the close friends, I. I seen Jazzy hovering over, and I was like, oh, never mind. If it's baddies in the room. Lost him to the game. Jy. If his baddies in the room. Jazzy is there. You can't get mad. She was being innocent. She wasn't doing anything. But I just know. I could feel the energy. Yeah. Through. Through the close friends. How you been, though? Y' all know. So y' all know that. That I'm a girl, right? So meaning, like, you really be my friends. Yeah. I say the same thing about my. Be my friends. Really be my friends. Like, okay. You know, if you was a girl. Yeah, I'm not. But if you was, like, it was me, right? So twin. If I was a boy. Yeah, yeah. Well, no, you heard the song. I don't think y' all can do that with y, homie. But, like, with your home girl, like, you know, like, we used to send each other laps as kids. Y' all never setting each other lapses. No. None. She's just different. Right? But it ain't nothing like that. No, no, it's all love. It's all love. I respect you. I don't believe. I'm not with J. I'm not listening to none of this. She talk. She with this PC. She get the. I know what that hook outside the spot. That hook outside the spot job. I know. Paige don't even. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. You cold, bro. No, not like. But I know. I know where you be. Yeah. I met a close friend. She said yeah. When she look down. Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. I know exactly. How y' all doing? Y' all good. Y' all great, man. It's good to see you. BT 2025. Listen n the air is on. You good? It's cold as in here. Listen, what we doing with the new music? New music? I need it because the EP song for women, Free Game for Niggas, is a classic as far as I'm concerned. Thank you, man. What are we doing next? What's next with Jozzy? I appreciate it. So, literally, I dropped the song in March maybe, and I did a stage play to, like, like, promote my music. Okay. And so now I'm dropping another single, like, end of June. It's called Dog Em. That's why I've been, like, working real hard getting that out. But project is done, and I'm just want to, like, honestly just stay consistent with dropping, like, you know what I'm saying? Like I said, I got a second chance to drop music. Y. I set back for. I had to fall back a little bit with all the stuff that was going on with my label, and. But now I'm back, man, and I'm just in a great space, like, maybe a stream higher than all of my songs. Really? Yes. Wow. So I'm building my fan base. Okay. So I'm loving that. I'm creating a world that's like, nobody can take that from me. They can't take my fans away. You know what I'm saying? So I'm blessed to actually see my fans. That's I who hard. So, I mean, yeah, we don't need to talk about the other label whatsoever. But during that time, who were some of, like, the legends that you were working with on the writing and producing side during the come up? That was like, one of those moments of sitting there like, ain't no way I'm writing right now, whining, swim. Oh, wow, man. Yeah. That nigga's so cold. Yeah, yeah, he cold. Like, I did along with him. Yeah, yeah. Like, well, I actually, like, I had the song and then I called him. I was like, yo, bro, I need your song up on this hook. And, like, he listened to it on the FaceTime, and then he was like, handle me. I'm like, that's it. And so, like, it was. It's just dope to have them, like, the people around. Like, some people don't really get to be around like, that actually know how to make a hit. Yeah. Like, we. We kind of in a bad state where it's like, we don't have OGs that's around us to, like, make bigger or, like, you know. So that was really dope to be around, like, Mario Winans. I got to be around Chucky Thompson. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, man. Thompson. Damn. That's hard, y' all. I see y' all some real. When some people. When I say Chucky Thompson be like. They don't. They don't go back that far. They don't. They don't know. They don't know. They don't know. That's crazy. We don't get a whole era of music without Chucky. Like, don't. Bro. That whole. You don't get young guru without. That's a fact. That's a fact. So I don't know about that. So he came under Chucky. Yeah. That's crazy. D.C. howard. Yeah. That old. Yeah. Wow. It's in everything. Yeah. For the industry. Absolutely. Who you trying to work with with now, man? It's so many dope artists that I. That I would love to work with, man. Jameson. Okay. I put you on the group chat right now. Okay. He's so cold. Yeah. He was at my stage play Twin. It didn't take no pictures. He just pulled up. I'm like, I wish I would have, like. Yeah. Wanted to embrace him more. Yeah. I wish I would have, like. I knew he was this. I could have just at least hugged him, like, you know? Yeah. So, Jameson, I would love to collab with Leon Thomas. I love Leon. Yeah. Leon. Probably one of the greatest song. I ain't even out yet. I heard. I heard. Did you hear the deluxe yet of Mutt? Not bro. I'm weird because I can't. I. I. I'm like comparison repetitive. I don't want to hear nobody while you make it. That makes sense. I don't hear nobody. It makes sense. Most actual artists. I've peeped that when they're in creation mode, they don't want to hear anyone else's. I'm not listening to anything else. Like, it's easy for bro. Subconsciously, bro. You're gonna take in. You just gonna. Just. Or. Or you gonna start matching your music up to other. No. Like, he's so good. I know what he is. I don't want to like one of them. Let's just. You know what I'm saying? When it's time, let's get in. But. But I don't want. No, but I'm about to work with Sid, too, from Internet. Me and Sid. What you trying to do, man? Cause this is you. These names And I'm just already knowing where it's going to go. I'm excited, bro. Like, I just want to create. I think, like I said, like, I'm done with songwriting. I'm letting that chapter go. I'm in a. I'm in a space where, like, I'm doing this for me. Okay. I'm doing this for me, and I'm doing this for, like, actually being able to feed my fans. It's getting bigger and bigger. I'm seeing it. So it just feels good to, like, actually get love when you out. Yeah, yeah. Making that step. I feel like this era R B, like, where rap is, it's a lot of young, young kids. They 19 years old. I feel like the ABC listers of R B now are older. Yeah. And they were always the writers. Yeah. Like, even down from Lucky to. Yeah. Leon Thomas. Like, all these people were writing before. Before. Yeah. And I've had those conversations with them of, like, what was the moment? Of, like, yo, this. I'm making money, but I'm not gonna keep doing this writing. I'm gonna give this artist a fair shake. What was that moment? Like, even. All right, Victor Victoria Monet, coming off Jaguar, too. Yeah. The amount of success she was having as a writer before, she could have been like, all right, maybe I should just do this. You're not satisfied, though, because it's like, we know. Because first and foremost. Foremost, like to be. To be a songwriter, you got to be. You got to be selfless a little bit. And you have to, like, know that you don't get the sign right. And I'm cool with that. If you give me the money. Yeah, I will take the money if you. But now y' all don't want to give us our money, right? Like, now y' all don't want to do this. That's when it started getting, like, all right, I'll go drop my music, my fan base, my merch, create my brand, my business. Because as a songwriter, it's hard to create a business because you're so under the shadow. But now, like, you see me, you know, you know, it's easy to, like, you know, create your own business. But I knew it when I knew it, when I thought I knew, I knew it was over when. I'm not gonna say the artist, man. But not even a big artist. And I gave him a banger, and I asked for a point, and A. And R was like, we don't do points. We never done points. I'm like, your artist is new. I did this and you mean to tell me you don't want to be on the right side of history with giving. Giving. Giving me a point. Like, be on the right side of history. You know what I'm saying? Just be on the right side of history. So. Right. And, like, I think people don't want to be on the right side of history. I think it's like a. It's a weird. It's a weird time for, like, ars. Because the A RS really don't give a. Because they want to just protect their job. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, like, it was a time where, like, our anrs actually cared about the writers and the producers, the engineers. Yeah. You want to, like, feed them, but, like, everybody want to keep their job. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. They going to do whatever they can to plead. All right, so those ANRs are bad. Have you ran into, in your songwriting time, the anrs that try to take pub? Oh, no, but they deserve it. They deserve it. No, so here's what I do. In some cases, yes, but there's been times that I've seen producers I've been working with, the songwriters I've been working with that they'll do something, and if they're doing something for someone on a major, I'll talk with their A R and their A R once I get the split back of. All right. They getting 1% of pub on this when they should be getting 5 at minimum. Yeah, it's going to the AR I'm talking about. You have a salary. You're not even. Yeah, Rory, I seen that. I seen. Like, you don't deserve this at all. Your job is being paid over here for what you're doing. You're so right. You so right. But I ain't gonna hold you, Rory. I use that to my. To my benefit, cuz to. To. It's like, to make them do the. Their job. I give you 2.5. I give you 5%. I'm not stingy. Like, I do that. I get my homies pub. I get my homies pub on songs, you know? Yeah. Engineers deserve more pu than a R. I get my engineers pub. That's fire. Like. Like. Like my. All my. Like what renaissance don to like my engineers get publishing on all that. Because I want him to get a pub deal. I want him to make money, you know, so. Yeah, but I done. Definitely done greed, some A and R punk with that. So you got to. So. So with the next project, Jonny, because, like I said, songs for Women is one of my personal all time favorites. The next project, Sonically Content. How. How different is it or how much in the same kind of texture is it like you said when. When you saw me, you were like sons. Women. Was there some soundtrack. Yeah. To your. To your life. And my album is called Soundtracks to Get her Back. So you don't even know what you just did there. Oh, you don't even know, like, okay, you. And that's why I did it. I want this to be a soundtrack for all of us that. That love R B and that have had heartbreak and they actually want to feel something. So the sonics are different though. Okay. It's not as. I think like Soft Woman was like to me like Mary J. Blige. What's the 41 1. It had that. It had that 90s tone. It was that 90s tone. This is more like 2000s. Like 2000s. And today. Okay, okay. But. But it's still got a little 90s, but it's not as 90s as. Okay, what's the 41 1. What's the 401 was like 90s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But the. But the top. But the subject is like really getting my. Losing my girl girl and getting her back. So who did you have in mind specifically during songs to get her back, Losing my girl and get up. It's very simple. So do I have to wait. Do I have to wait for the extra deluxe to find out if it actually happened? So that's what the stage play is about. Okay. So I created a whole stage play and it sold out in LA my first night. And it's a. Where'd you do it at? I did it at the El Porto Theater. Okay. And so literally I had amazing playwriter Bianca Williams. She would. She does the shot with Lena Wave. She's one of the writers. And literally it's all about the stories about this. Like the. The album. Okay. So the junk's so cold. Food like somebody get killed in that mug. It's cold. Have you thought about doing it like on a. On like a. Like a short film for it? We shot it. So we shot it and we working on second. We actually got on the network, but I don't want to say which one. Okay. No, it's cool. You gonna see it? I'm waiting. I want to see it. I'm invested in Josh. I want to. I'm looking forward to anything you got going. Because the way you be talking, I'm like, she talking that I got to be a part of it. I got to be a part of it, man. I got to be a part of it. I love it. I love that y' all are like, I'm seeing a lot of men really loving R B like this. And it's R B. It was a time I used to think, like, n. It was. It was weird how they made me think that R and B was just for girls or like, well, for this and for that. But like, I mean, even some of like the lo fi, toxic R and B now I think it's just for women. I don't even think it's for us. Like, like we like traditional R and B is what men like. I'm an R and B head for sure. You don't like lo fi? No, I love. I do love lo fi, but too much of it and too much of the toxic. Like, I do want to hear men sing about loving women. Like, I don't always want to be upset at my girl. Like, yeah, that's a fact. Like, I do like some positivity in my life. She be cool sometimes. She be cool in a relationship sometime. Yeah. Nice. I love that. That's so good to know. My last nerd question. Did you have an opportunity to work with Stacey Barth and what is it like working with, I think, one of the most underrated voices and shout out to Stacy, man. Songwriters like Stacy, to me is one of them. Yeah. She did one of my favorite songs on the love album, Closer to God, Tiana Taylor. With Tiana. Yeah, man. Stacy. I did a banger for Stacy. I'm so mad. She ain't cut it. So mad. So Jonny rolled the eyes right there. She was right. She was like, Stacy. Yeah. Yeah. But. But Stacy's amazing. Yeah, Stacy. Stacy, to me, she's not a. She's a. She's a spirit. She's like a particle. Yeah. She's like how I look at, like Bilal and I look at Erykah Badu. They're particles. Yeah. Like, it's just like she can just. Ah, so I don't. Man, I love Stacy. Yeah. Yeah. She cold. Stacy's one of them. Yeah, she wanted them. You. It's hard to write for her too, cuz. She doesn't. She doesn't. She doesn't. When she sings, it's like she flows. So it's like you gotta just let her freestyle and then if she wants to give you a few lyrics, if you want to throw a few lyrics, but you just gotta let her go because she's like. She's like, you know, now we definitely gotta get jobs. Whenever you in New York, you gotta come by the studio. You gotta. Please. Yes, please, please do. Like I said, I'm invested in Jozzy fully. I love everything you're doing, I support everything that that you're doing and can't wait to see and listen to what you got next for us. And if you don't pull up, it's pageful. And stop putting this l about me with these girls, cuz I'm over here trying by my wife. I thought you got her back. No, no, that's Jy. My side is my main. Don't love me no more. That's my. I have the T shirt. When did you. When did you turn top? I was working. When did you turn top? I was working, working. I was working at Def Jam when you put that record up. Damn. For real. I have the promo shirt still in my career that has that whole written out. Yeah, man, that's amazing. So we are here joined by somebody that I think is the epitome of when the Internet says, oh, one hit wonder shit this and that. Creatives, no matter what situation you put them in, will always conquer, will always find a way. And I think Trinidad James is a perfect example of that. Yeah. Coming off, you know, I mean, all goes, everything was. Was what it was. But I have been more impressed by everything you have done since. Thank you. As a creative, whether it be on some pun and on CNN or in the fashion world, when we connected, we was at the Gucci store or some at an event like, come on. Everything you've been doing outside of when you popped off, I think has been incredible. Thank you, man. Truly, truly appreciate it. It's been a journey. This is actually year 13 for me. Wow. Damn. 13 years. 13 years, bro. You know, and it feel like three. Yeah, it moves fast. It was really, really fast. And you learn a lot about self. You learn a lot about life in this fantasy world of entertainment. Fantasy world of entertainment. I like that. I come from real life, you know, I come from real life, like, you know, so I. I never lost tap of real life. Right. But I come and jump into fantasy too. Yeah, yeah. We can have fun a little bit. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember like, even when, you know, you first pop with all gold, everything. I remember everyone telling me like, yeah, he does a music thing, but he was so prominent in Atlanta with the stores and fashion and everything. Like, nah, this is not just somebody that caught a lick. Right. What's the back history of what you were doing in Atlanta before All Good, Everything even hit. So I was a stylist. Street dude trapping a little bit. I ran one of the most popping boutiques in the city. That's how I got to meet all the DJs and artists, because they came and shopped with me, okay. And I never told them I did music. I kind of just put my CD inside of their shopping bag because I just don't believe. I'm not a handout type of person. Yeah. I'm a bootstrap type of person. That's how my dad raised me. Okay. And that's how I kind of just built, like, when they started realizing, like, oh, that's my guy from the store. Yeah. It built a different respect because it's like, I earned it. Yeah. And. But that's what I was doing. I was dressing people. Always been my task and duty is to make sure that our culture stays shining. And that's just by showing us that you can express yourself, you know, come as you are, but make sure that it's intention in your presence. Right. You know, and that's what it's always been, man. Like, you saw me through my visual, okay. You know, and my visual is what made people show somebody else. Like, you see this? You see this, right? See this, you know? Cause, like, and that's because it's like, it brought. Brought life into what we needed. Sometimes you don't know what we need. But God gave me the energy and I guess the presence to be that of like, oh, look at the artists that we get now after 2012 to now, you know, 20, 25, 13 years later, right? Of like, just new type of R B where they don't have to show their face no more. They don't got to be pretty, Right? You know what I'm saying? Like, you could be who you are and let your talent be the star. Right? That's pretty dope, man. With some of your earliest memories growing up of bet, like, what were some of the shows that you was tapped in with? Like, because none of us grew up and you couldn't go in our homes and not see BET on television. But what was some of your earliest memories of bet? Oh, I mean, the biggest moment is the first time I'm laying in the bed with a girl that I spent the night with. She was a dancer. Shout out to her. Her, Okay. I wake up in her bed. I think it was my first time being with a dancer. Okay. First time, not his last time with a dancer in that capacity. Yeah. And she cuddling, of course. Huh? Cuddling, of course. Of course. You know, we don't. Yeah. Fornicate. Right, right. Who does that? Am I right? Yeah. Nobody from Trinidad would ever do that. Throw that thing away. And she wakes me up like, you on tv and I'm on BET jams, and they playing, like, back to back to back. And I was like, oh, man. Because I grew up looking at BET jam. Right? And so, you know, that was like the first little piece of. All right. No, I think something is changing in my life and it's all for the better because people are happy for me. People who don't know me. She didn't know me. You know what I'm saying? But when I came in that strip club, it felt like she did. And we spent the night together, so we did. If you don't have to pay for, then yeah. She gonna cut her. Gonna cut. Exactly. You gotta cut all night. All night. You gotta cut all night. Come on now. Yeah. Obviously, you know, we have people like, you know, rest in peace to Virgil. Currently with Salahi and everything that he's doing. What. What is brand partnerships with fashion missing right now with the actual creatives and designers currently in 2025? Because I feel like we catch a good one. Like, with Salahi, what he's doing is amazing, but there's so much disconnect in between. There's only so many spots until more people make brands that are successful. Successful. The brands that are successful could only pick so many black people to do it. It's not like it's a black brand. People just want black support. But it's a white brand. If it's owned by a white person, it's a white brand, then that's real. That's fine. That's totally fine. Like, if a white person owns it, that was made for his people. Right. Or whatever. But if other people support. We have Beat the Matrix. Because now I get black money and white money. But a white person could always get white money. Right. A black person can't always get white money. You know what I'm saying? And so I said. I say that to say, as more brands come to life or whatever, you'll be able to see more people of culture, get a chance to add to the repertoire. But if you're expecting Nike to catch every Trinidad James type of cultural person to do something, you're gonna be pissed. Yeah. Or whatever. Because there's only so many times they can. There's only so many spots they have allotted for people of color or people of culture. The ones that matter in the culture. And they could be a black person, white person or whatever. Like, sometimes they just miss the ball, you know, but when they get it right, we'd be happy, you know, when Joe Fresh goods getting a chance. My gosh, my God, that's dope, man. You know, and over delivering for New Balance. Yeah. Like going, absolutely, Jordan crazy. Chicago is on fire again. Again, consistently, you know, So I. I'm a perspective person, man, and I'm a super realist. You people only doing what they can. However, just because somebody is worth it doesn't mean that you have to do it right. Who are some of your favorite black designers and favorite black brands right now? On the fashion side, I enjoy rgb. They from Atlanta. I like another young brand called Lemons on Fire. They're from Atlanta. Lemons on Fire. Yeah. Lemons on Fire. I like the name. Yeah. It's crazy. I was like, what? That's hard. Give me this. Yeah, I love that. Cool. Yeah, I just opened the store too. I was like, yo, I want to carry all in my store. Okay. I gotta close the store in Atlanta. Black designers. Who else do I love? We said Joe already. I'm biased to. Joe's a really good shoe designer. So. Yeah, Slay is my guy. Oh, Nina Chanel. Okay. Nina Chanel. If you don't know Nina Chanel, do your homework. Nina Chanel is amazing. She got her own Jordan 3 own Jordan too. She's a number amazing painter. She did the. The COVID for Meek Mills album Expensive Pain, I think. Yeah. How. Whatever. She's a beast. Yeah. Chanel for sure. Oh, yeah, that's. I'm gonna stop there. Okay, Stop while I'm ahead. Now. I didn't. I didn't notice when I. You know, we obviously first got into Trinidad James's music, but you are very. Your taste in sneakers is very unique. Like, I've caught a lot of your clips from online and I'm like, damn. I wouldn't think that Trinidad was that tapped in when it came to the sneaker culture. What's your absolute favorite sneaker of all time? I don't know if I have an absolute favorite because I just have a story with these shoes, man. I've spent 20 years doing shoes, but Jordan Twos, the original white baccarrett of my favorite Jordan period. Okay. I'm a white Air Force One, a patent leather Air Force One guy. When they come into crazy colors. The Brazils, the portugues, the Honduras, Whenever a go Air Force One low patent color. Yeah. Sign me the Hell up. Undefeated. Okay. But also, bro, I love the ratchet stuff. Soldier Reeboks. Yeah. You know, 5411s, you know, Feliz, like, just support people stuff. Right. You know, I did my collaboration with Saucony Sakony, according to. Where you from? Yeah. You know, like, bro, that's the first shoe I ever got as an immigrant from my parents, but they've been smoking lately. Shout out to that brother over there, my boy, J Tips. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, it's not always about, you know, it. Big brands only have so much space. Every brand only has so much space to let in our culture. Yeah. It's about more people. Like, new brands like Hoka and Solomon and. And on Cloud, and all these new brands is coming. You just got to see more of those. And then you'll see more people that you think like, oh, damn, she deserve a shot. He deserves a shot. Yeah. Why this person don't have a shoe yet? Yeah. Need more shoe companies. Yeah. Before we let you go, I know you're going to be biased, but I. I still want to ask this question. Uhhuh. Between Jamaica, Trinidad and Guyana, who makes the best curry chicken? Trinidad. And I was going to be biased regardless. Let's start. Let me look at the. My shirt flags. Right? This is nothing. Just a red shirt. A red shirt, bro. Maybe on the Tobago side, but when we got our independence as a country in Trinidad, the first workforce that was. It was. That came to Trinidad was Indians from India. Yes. So they brought the recipes with them. So we have mad Indians in Trinity. So you can't make curry chicken, but better than Indians, we have more Indians in the other islands. Right. Or whatever. So Jamaica. And Jamaica's curry is going to be a spicy one. Guyana, they're really good cooks there. Some of my favorite chefs. Heavy Indian population. Come on. Boom. You know what I'm saying? But I just. I think that Trini. I think because of our Indian population. Yeah. I think y' all. Y' all are the perfect middle between Jamaican curry and Guyanese. Like, it's the perfect mix. I was gonna say Trinidad too, though, by the way. I mean, bias on the guy in east side, but I do think they have perfected both of those. Why are you biased on the guy in the east side? It's got to be a girl. It's definitely a girl. What you think it was? These women, man. They got us, man. They got us. You thought, I love my homies. My parents took me to Gl when he was seven, it was a woman. It's a basketball tournament. I'm a big Jim Jones fan. I love Kool Aid. I went to Georgetown University. That was so many entendre. I should be a rapper anyways. Yes, yes, yes. I will say you guys have the best carnival. Oh, yeah. And it's probably not even close. Top of the top Carnival. Yeah, we do it. Is that even like, debatable at this point? I mean, people from Brazil might have something to say about that, but in the West Indies, like, Brazil has more people. So if you have more people, you have more power, period. Yeah, you got it. But Trinidad, West Indies in the Freeman, if you're not Brazil. Yeah, we are number one. And we created the. This steel pan. Yeah. So it's like, you know, that's the last hand instrument that's got developed and made. Created in the last. In the 20th century. Exactly. Come on. Yeah. No, I'm Trinidad Carnival. Big vibe. Absolutely. Trinity. Massive. Yeah, I know. You spent so much time in New York. How much did you really tap in with the West Indian culture in, on and off? Like my. In my artist time, I spent way more time when I was young, bro. I didn't have no green card. I wasn't tapped into having fun. You shall be tapped out. Don't. You don't know me. Yeah, I'm saying, so, like, as a young person, man, when you grow up in a Trinity household, you don't have to go out there looking for more validation from other Caribbeans. Because my household is Caribbean and I was really born in it. You know, my father's born in Tobago, my mother's born in Trinidad. You know, when we came to this country, went to Jacksonville, Florida, then when we got down to hard times, we came to Queens, New York and we lived with our uncle. That's more Trinity's. I'm in little Trinidad, inside of my uncle's house who passed away arrest Uncle Eddie, you know, so. But now as an entertainer, you know, being able to be front, like last year I hosted the Caribbean the Music Awards. Like, I presented an award. They hit me up to do that. It's like I took pride in that. You know, I showed up looking like it because it is a big deal to be Trinidad James. You know, the things that I go through that are not good, but make it through and still have good energy to give to other people and still do things of power. That shows the resilience of a Trinity. It shows what type of character Trinidadians are built with. So I'm just thankful to be Trinidadian. Be born there bro. Yeah. Salute to that. That's a beautiful way to absolutely salute to that. Yeah. God. Trinidad James, Pleasure meeting you. Pleasure sitting here talking to you. BT 2025 boom. That's great man. Unlock smarter learning with Lenovo AI powered PCs powered by Intel Core Ultra processors. Head to Lenovo.com and choose from multiple devices devices to fit your passions. 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My artist with me, man. You got with you. Go ahead, love. My name is Toyon. All the way from Montego Bay, Jamie. Montego Bay. Okay. She got that total vibe hit. I said, what you doing? That's that total. I'm all black, you know? Yeah, I see it. Okay, Tony Braxton. There you go. Jamaican from Long Island, New York. Long Island, New York. Let me say a little louder. You know what I mean? Long Island. What's up with this Long island thing? Like, we've been doing interviews, and people been like, yo, do y' all not consider Long Island, New York? It's not New York City, but New York City. There you go. Absolutely. New York. But it's not New cities one block from Queens. Like it make all you feeling, man. Amazing. Listen, I know you say some. We don't got to talk about it, but he just showed me a clip. What you got going on, man? What you doing, dog? Bro, I'm. I'm just. He. Ray J asked me a question. Yeah, and. And it all hell broke loose. Y' all know I don't got no filter, bro. Y know y' all been knowing me for over 10 years. You know, I don't give a. So I'mma tell the truth. Listen, I don't. I don't know, but what's funny is if. If the puff shit never hit or arrested, this would be. Be nothing. That wouldn't shock me at all that he said that. No, let's say none of this puff is in court. I'd be like, yeah, he probably said that. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Listen, I see what y' all doing now. You know your freaky ass. Now you. Now y' all. Now y' all on my own on my truth. Now y' all want to judge my truth, but I think you enraging. He put me in an intimate headlock one time. Yeah, I. Hey, bro. Hey, bro. Just tell I was in those same arms. That is crazy. Listen, you and Ray J look like y' all might be on y' all. Y' all look like y' all need your own show, man. That's really what I thought. After that, I was like, the Berg and Ray J Show. That's Must See tv, yo. Must See tv. We got so many stories and so much history. I believe it, bro. The. The nigga is so crazy. We were in Atlanta. He took Whitney Houston. A compound or Whitney Houston, bro. Listen, bro. We in there, and we in the suv. Whitney's so gangster. Me and Ray J was performing sexy kind of at the compound, randomly. Yeah. She's so gangster. She sent the security. They came and got a. Like the Magnum Patron Silver. Whitney was drinking Patron out the gallon. Magnet, bro, in the truck. Look at the stories. You can't make this. You cannot make something like that up. Yo, how is there no footage of Whitney Houston at the compound, bro? I think it's a picture, man. Dre Sinatra, I think he got a picture of this, man. We need that picture if you got it, man. Compound even still open? No, no, no, no. Compound is legendary. That been closed for some years now, but. Hit maker, listen, man. We don't use the word legends with everybody. You are obviously a legend in every sense of the word. Damn. Thanks, bro. How is it now you got your new artist with you. What's coming, man? Because we always know you in the studio Hit gonna be working. Yeah, well, you know, I got partnerships with six different artists right now. Toy and Ron are two of them. Tink, of course, is one of them. We got a new record with her that's about to drop with Bryson Tiller. Oh, videos in the can. Done already. So that's going to be exciting. Then Ivory Scott is another one of my artists. Dream Doll, I just did a partnership with, too. And this record that she's about to drop, I'm going to be honest, Dream Doll's out rapping. All these rap women right now. Rapping for real. And I was. I was impressed. We. We brought that up, like, two or three episodes ago just because we was talking about the Tory Lane, which I want to talk about. But I was like, do y' all remember, like, Dream do, like, her are different. Yeah. Like, that girl could rap. Rap. Yeah. Yeah. She could really have Beijing all in her legs. That was bugged out. Like, everyone needs to revisit that dis record of the era that's making a top 10 DIs record. She went nuts. So I'm excited to hear. And look, I got a curveball. Pause. Angela Simmons, AKA Angela Renee. We. She got something that she's doing. It's not rapping or singing, but it's something very interesting. She could probably tell y' all more, but we got a record with Jada Kiss that's about to drop. I got a partnership with her as well. Love it. Look at the. He'd just be throwing. Yeah. Angela Simmons. Jada got a record with Jada. It's about to drop. Don't worry about it. It's coming soon. How did this connection happen, man? You know, when I was at Atlantic, y' all know, y' all remember I was working at Atlantic, then working at Empire, and, like, after I sold a portion of my catalog, I was just like, man, I want to invest and, like, really build my own thing because I've had an opportunity to break other artists with my sound and with my vibe. Y' all know, I was doing the flips, and everybody kind of came and like, yeah. Yep. Got on that type of time. So, like, right now, the really important to me as a producer is to break these artists with my own sound, with what we're doing, what we're creating in a studio 24 7. So it's a new journey. I'm excited how, outside of just being a producer on the exec side, while you're making these records. What are you keeping in mind? Because you've broken a lot of artists, you've revamped a lot of legends careers. Absolutely. What is in your mind when you're actually making these records? What would Rory do? No, no, because I know you lying. I constantly. When I play himself, like, you know, I love it, but you ain't gonna like it. Since we want to talk about why did Rory do that with Hit Boy? Oh, let's talk about it. Why did Rory do that? I'm glad we. We. We definitely sort of had a reconciliation. I think Clemens put us on. Yeah, for sure. So here's. Here's the thing, which I did apologize. I'm like, rory's my friend. Why would you do this? Okay. I went about something wrong. I will admit. I will always admit when I'm wrong. I can't remember none of this. I'll break it down a very quick way. So I was in with Hit Boy and Basley, okay. He played me his. Him and Alchemist's project. And on one of the records, he was doing, like, his control version of Producers, okay? Where he's saying everyone's name and certain stuff. Yeah. He said it was all in good fun. It was not like no beef. So I called Burke, thought I was doing the right thing because this is my man's assist family. I was like, yo, Hitboy has this joint. Like, are you cool? And here's the thing. Here's why I up. I left out a part that in my mind didn't matter that much until he broke it down to me and I realized I was wrong. He brought up a certain situation that happened in Berg's past in that. In the jab. I can see why Berg was mad that I posted it. I thought it was in good. And I was like. I checked in with him, told him what it was. But then when you explained the to me later, like, dog, he's talking about an event, that's not funny to me. I was like, you, right? So I did fuck up in that regard, Okay. I thought it was good fun and didn't take into consideration that specific part of it. So, yeah, I was. I was wrong. We love everybody. We love Hit Boy. He's not on the radio, and I'm on the radio 24 7. And that's just what the reality of things is. Seabird. Yeah, we just got to a good space. Here was my thing too. Like, it was off the heels of you doing the Hot 97 shit, right? And I wasn't saying Nothing wrong. I just said I make radio records. He's a legend. I love Hit Boy. We've talked before. We've talked about collab and all this other stuff. I said my forte is radio records. That's what I do. Okay? Niggas in Paris, he got legendary records. Ain't nobody taking nothing from him. But you over here, he's doing that. And he took it and went and ran left with it. You know what I'm saying? We do that. We do that often, man. Like, it's all just like we. Ego miscommunication sometimes just happens and. But I mean, obviously, like, y' all are both legends in every aspect of the world. Hit maker, Hit Boy. I mean, do my album. Either one of you, please. No, Rory got to do it. I would love a Rory to do my album. Let me just talk my Super 12. I don't even think he's your friend, cuz he hasn't done your album yet. Bro, like this. They giving this all heavily critical acclaim that we've done. Where I'm rapping, I rap on our pod. Now I'm doing Push a T shirt. I try to get Maul to rap all the time. Yeah, he does try to get me rap, but I ain't rapping. Reach in a suit box mall and pull that Rockefeller chain out and get in the booth. My, what's up? And like, I. I know some of those history. He wouldn't be lying in his rhymes. Like statute of limitations. I got nothing. Let's talk about the new artist, the beautiful Toy in. Yeah, Montego Bay. Yeah. What we got? What can we expect to hear something from Toy In? Because the look is immaculate. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it. But I want to hear what you got for us. Thank you. I mean, you can look out for my. My new single, Freak coming out this month. Yeah, it's really something special. I feel like we figured out. We've been in the studio locked in, and we kind of figured out how to kind of fuse together R and B and dance hall, you know, a little bit of what Hit does. And you know, my culture. And I feel like it really hasn't been done this way before. And I'm really excited for people to hear it. I feel like there's a whole new lane that we've created and yeah, I'm really excited about it. Well, you with Hit, so I know the music is going to be incredible. Yeah. How. How do you feel now that that vibes is out and he's free is the Energy different. I mean, I'm really happy that he's out. I actually did a song with him called Ice Queen. Right. It was like he was literally in prison at the time when he did the song. And he's a legend in this. And I'm so happy. I'm so happy that he got out. I mean, the energy of dancehall has really. It's been uplifted since he's been out, and we're happy for him. Yeah, I'll be mad jerk chicken and rice and peas since he came home. Yeah, I'm so. I'm so happy that he's out. And I'm hoping to have another. Another song with him. Oh, I'm sure to happen. Yeah. The remix of this freak record. And if y' all know me freak, of course, it's one of. It's a good, good sample on there. Oh, it's gonna. The old school freak. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you flip that. Yeah. But my way. You'll see. Okay, that's already. I want to hear that already. Are we getting a Eddie Murphy party all the time Flip for the Long island crowd. You gotta flip that. That'll be incredible. Yeah. How you not think about that? People act like Eddie Murphy doesn't have joints. Eddie Murphy got joint. He got some joints. He got some joints. Rick James wrote it. Yeah, he definitely did. Yeah. So you got to make that head. Listen, you with the. If anybody could chop it and make it. Make it sound palatable, it's this man right here. Yo, this guy, though. Incredible. We like these all new partnerships a year. I think I've known both of them in a year. Ron has he won a Grammy with Chris Brown on the 11:11 album. He wrote the record and then, man, what else? Publishing deal, label deal, Grammy top 10. He's wrote three or four top tens right now. Whatever. As a songwriter with me. So boy moving. Find him a writer. He gonna keep the Avengers together. Man, this bird gonna always do it. Even when he lose one to. Well, thank you, guys. I look forward to new music. Everything you got going on. I'm happy that we could reconcile. I wasn't sure if our Aunt Clemens FaceTime got it there, but I feel like I feel good, man. I know it's some. Whenever Bird called me like, yo, what's up? What's up with Rory? I'm like, what happened, man? I don't even know what's going on. Come on. But I'm glad that we was able to get everything to a better place, you know, I respect. Because we're family. And we go through ups and downs and that you sometimes have to respect bars when you're arguing with somebody. After I posted, I was at the airport and him and I got on the phone. I don't know if it was text or on the phone when he said, oh, I see. I see the. You got the clout you could use, yo. But look, I had. I was like, I mean, yeah, you got to. You got to wear that. We've known each other for so long since I had a skinny thin chain and I was playing all my Jeremy songs like, bro, we did escape the room together. And you with this, escaping his room. BET Awards 2025. Man, I apologize, man. All right, bro. We're back. BET Awards 2025. And listen, we are sitting, sitting here with fight royalty facts. This is the undisputed women's heavyweight champion. This is no games being played here at all. Everybody getting their ass whooped July 26th. Yeah. Anybody that shows up to the fight, getting their ass, man, he's not fucking around. We are with Claressa Shields, Flint, Michigan. How are you feeling? So good to meet you. Big fan, big fight fan, but I'm a big fan of yours as well. Thank you so much. I feel really good. You know, I'm here because I'm nominated for the sportsman of the year for the BET Awards. It's my first time. Yes. I want every other. I feel like you. I feel like the award is yours. I feel something, but I don't. I. I really. I really have no idea. It's so many great women who are nominated. Yeah. But, hey, I guess we have to wait and see for tomorrow. But I'm really just happy just to be here now. You took time off, I'm guessing from your. From your training schedule to be here at the BET Awards. Somewhat. I worked out this morning. Okay. I'm gonna work out again when I leave here. Okay. Oh, two a days. Yeah. Shorty don't stand a chance. July 26th, Clarissa working out, coming to the media room and then going back to workout. Yeah. Yeah. We were talking to a lot of artists in the media room today about how important it is to not only be an artist, but you also have to know how to promote your music. Is it the same way in the fight world of not only do you have to be an amazing, amazing athlete, you have to be an amazing promoter? Is that something that's on the top of your mind as much as working out is? It's not my mind as much as working out is, but I know that it's very important. And I think that it's not just about promoting a fight, but promoting your brand. So my brand is greatest woman of all time, the goat. Right. And so with that, it's like I have to give you the goal of everything. I have to come here, I have to look really good. Like, this morning, I had on a beater. I had on some shorts. I was running. I'm sweaty. I had my braids in. And then I show up here and I'm looking like a model type stuff. So you have to know how to balance it out. But for me, it's like I have to promote all that. You know what I'm saying? So I'm promoting the fight, I'm promoting myself, I'm promoting my brand. And your brand will outlive your career anyway. That's just the truth about it. Yeah. What is some of the things Clarissa Shields is doing away from the fight game? Like, obviously, you've dominated women's boxing. We all know the legend that you are in that field. But what are some of the things that Clarissa Shields is doing that most people have no idea about? I think that they have no idea that I have 175,000 subscribers on YouTube. They have no idea. But I make money off YouTube. I'm streaming. I pray a lot. Okay. I love karaoke. Okay. And first of all, what's your go to karaoke song? Return to the Mat. And last year, Train to Georgia is my. Those are my two. Go to Last Train by Gladys Knight. Yes. Jesus Christ. I didn't expect that. I'm sorry. Midnight Train to Georgia. That's my go to. What's your go to? Karaoke? Listen, Tina Turner, what's Love Got to Do With It? Okay, hey, listen, if I. Soon as we get to the karaoke spot, I'm like, hey, you know what? I'm here to sing. You know what I'm here for? You know who just entered the spot? Right? So we at the BET Awards 2025. Growing up in Flint. What were some of the shows that Clarissa was watching on BET? Oh, my God. I grew up watching 106 in Park. Okay, Mr. 106, bow wow and Jermaine D will be performing at the BET Awards. Yeah, that's what's up. I watch the BET Awards. Yeah. I freaking watch Nickelodeon. I watched a lot of stuff on bet. I can't even. It's so many things that don't really exist no more. Rap City's gone. I mean, they need a 106 revamp. It was so much stuff that I watched from bet. But definitely I can remember like all the award shows, the Grammys. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I watched all that stuff growing up. Can. Can you speak to the state of Michigan and what it means to professional boxing? Yeah, cuz it's, it's. It's. Michigan is known. Yeah. For the fight game. Michigan is a fight town. Absolutely. You know, and I have said it that Flint is shaped like a glove. So definitely shaped like. Yes. Flint is definitely a fight town. I think that it take the right fighters to bring fight fans together inside of Michigan. So before me it was Tommy Hearns. I think Tony Harrison had some things he was doing. You know, Joe Lewis is from there. S.H. robinson. He has some great fighters. But I'm the first people female from Detroit to actually bring the eyes that I've brought. Absolutely. And I mean well, I'm from Flint, but to bring it to Detroit. And I feel like it's just a huge fight town. If I fight in Flint, Detroit or any of the surrounding areas, the fight go crazy, you know. So it's definitely a fight town and we have some of the best fighters in the world that come out of Michigan. So July 26, you are fighting in Detroit. Yeah. At L Season's Arena. Crazy Rick Russ is walking me out. I know it's. I know it's going to be sold out. Is it going to be an original record or is he doing one of the regular Ross records? Is he something from scratch on the walkout? Is he going to be rapping? Yeah, but what do you mean from scratch? Is it a new song? No, it's not a new song. Got you. Okay. No, no, no. It's going to be a few different ones. I'm going mix him up up in a collage or whatever. But I don't even know which song because it take a certain song to get me ready for a fight. Listen, I just want. I mean with. With the Detroit BMF connection. Like I feel like BMF has to be the one you very smart. You got to do that. You got to be only right Lil Caesar. Like you have to do at least start with bmf. But I love the idea of doing a medley of a bunch of different Ross records. Yeah. Yeah. So. So fighting at home in Detroit, obviously everybody's anticipating what you're going to do. July 26th, we all have you winning by knockout. Yeah. How are you preparing yourself mentally just to go out there in front of the hometown and Perform in, put on the show. Honestly, I just train my heart. Like I, I work out very, very hard. I like to be focused. I block out a whole lot of noise. Like it may look like I entertain noise, but honestly, if I, if I do something for a second on social media, like once I cut it off, I don't really think about it no more. Like I'm not sitting on social media for hours going back and forth with people. Yeah. Reading the comments, like I really just own there. If I see something, I'm like, whoa. And then I get off, you know? Know what I'm saying? But I'm leaning more of, leaning more toward the positive side and just outside the ring and I'm working, I'm working on so many different things. Like I am so close to getting that 20 million and 30 million dollar deal. Yeah. You know, endorsement that I really can't give my energy to bad things. Like I give energy like the good things into my fighting. Yeah. You know, and knowing that everybody up in Detroit, in Flint and in Michigan and just around the world who support me is looking forward to, to me fight, I want to perform like it's okay. Okay. I fight like a guy. Sure. I take it. Yeah. But it's like it, that takes work. Absolutely. You know, and anybody can get beat. So for me it's like I don't ever want to get beat. I want to beat everybody. And to knock these girls out takes a lot because they come in, they don't really have what I have, so they want to take what I have. So I just kind of put my energy toward that and making sure that I'm mentally well because it's hard to be mentally well in a world, world that we live in. So I fought with depression before and anxiety and, and all that stuff. So I've been able to conquer those things. But you can't conquer it if you're focused on negativity. You have to focus on our positive things and count your blessings. Like, I have a lot to be happy about, more than I have to be to be upset about. Now what are you doing as far as like for the young girls that want to come up in the fight game? Like, are you mentoring any girls? Do you do work directly one on one? You have any organizations directed towards young girls? Girls and fight? So my 501C3 is Shields Community Outreach Corporation. Okay. And I trained over 2,000, 3,000 kids in Flint, Michigan, love it. And I use that corporation to do like big Christmas giveaways, Thanksgiving giveaways, hats and coats, giveaways, Easter giveaways, Easter egg hunt, bikes I wasn't able to do. I've kind of been on pause for this year because I'm getting everything that I need to get in my life together. But as far as in every year before now, I have done that every, every year and that's more of what I do. So I'm, I am want to get back more into training kids. And I, and I don't just train girls. Right. I also train the boys too. Okay. So, so my little niece, she's five years old, she boxes. Okay. My nephew Bradford is 11. He boxes. My little, my little nephew Gemini, he's eight and he know how to fight too, but he want to do gymnastics. So. Okay, whatever. No, a combo of having someone that could do gymnastics. Dangerous. He taught him how, he taught himself how to do a backflip. So this dude is pretty special. Yeah. You know, and how to ride a bike, Gemini is very, very special. Yeah, I like training kids. So I've, I was training kids from the ages of 8 till 16. That's amazing. Before we let you go, I have mixed feelings on the YouTube celebrity boxing thing, the exhibition fights. How do you feel about that entire thing? I, I think it does bring a lot of money and attention to boxing and Italian when it's, it's been odd of what's being promoted and what's not. So I think it does some good. But it's also amateur fighters that are probably getting more money than professional fighters at the current moment. How have you felt about that? And my last follow up question, Jake Paul, round one. You think you knock him out? Okay, so first, so your first question, Listen, it is boxers job to build their brands. Yeah. And that's something that I actually learned from Jake Paul. Like I didn't learn about the brand, but I'm like, I have to ask myself, how did this dude come out of YouTube and start boxing and make all this money? Incredible businessman. Like, I got 17 world titles. I won the Olympics not once but twice. Twice I got 17 world titles. Five different divisions undisputed, four different times. So I'm like, how is he making millions of dollars and I'm making only a meal? So I had to see, you know, I'm, I'm very, very smart. And I'm, and I'm a, and I'm an observer. So I'm observing. I'm like, yo, he built his brand off of YouTube with 1 million subscribers. And then he just came to boxing and said, hey, all, all my fans from YouTube come support me in boxing because boxing is all about putting asses in seats, to be honest with you. That's how we make our money. So to see that he did that and he's really good at promoting, I said, that's all I'm missing. So I added that to my joint. And that's why you see me now with the 1.4 million followers. I don't be trying to get in the beef on social media, but hey, it comes. It is what it is. I do. I handles it. Yeah. And again, boxing promo is. Yeah. Beef. Listen, all press is good press. What they say depends on how you spin it. Absolutely. And, you know, so that's just what I've learned. So I don't think it's a bad thing. I think that it's. Teaching boxers to build your brand is very important. Some people don't want to build their brand. They, like, they just want to fight me. I want to fight. I want to win. I want to have my brand and I want to make millions of dollars outside the ring. Outside. So, yeah, yeah. I mean, the Paul brothers, even when we give them flack, I do appreciate that they have taken like, the sport seriously. Like, I think they're both great amateur fighters, but they're great fighters. Listen, I don't have nothing against Jake Paul, but he's smoking dope. If you think he be me in a fight, that just. It is what it is. Yeah. I don't think it's last around. And I don't think you ever doing one of those invisible contracts where we decided going to go eight, you know, listen, if he. If he. First of all, no knockout rule. First of all, papoose will never allow me to get inside the ring with the man and actually fight them. I had Pat beating Jake in the first round, bruh. I'm telling you. I've seen that. He got dead arm. Anyway. He got dead arm. So he laying. Yeah, yeah. Like, he got. He got. He got one like me. Okay. He don't want hit a critter, too. Listen, man, I'm here for the Jake Paul, Clarissa Shields. Just. Just a face off. I don't really see y' all getting rain, but I would love to see y' all just go back. He gotta spar me or something. We ain't. I'm with you talk like he can really do something with the goat. And it's like, listen, my man. Yeah. I don't know where you got that from, but something ain't clicking like 1 and 2. He's skipping the number. Like he going like 1. He going like 1, 5, 10. It's like, nah, it's 1, 2, 3. My. Right, right, right. Well, I'm gonna go ahead and say congratulations on the bet win. I think it's yours. I think you have it wrapped up. So I'm going. Go ahead. I'mma go ahead. I'm go ahead and say congratulations on the win. I'll be. So listen, I would be like the most shocked ever if I win. I think you got it tomorrow for the sports money year. I swear to God, I would probably. I wouldn't know what to. I'd be like, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll be very speechless. But I know that I'm deserving. Yeah. And out of all the girls who are all the great women that's nominated, I know I am the most. I'm the most successful and the most achieved. So I will love to. To see that. I think it's yours. I think. I think. I think you got it wrapped up. July 26th. We will be tuned in Detroit. See you do what you do. Detroit, Little Caesar's Arena. And it's a pleasure meeting you and good luck the rest of the way. BET Awards 2025 BET Awards 2025 Rory, we are back. Yes. And we are sitting with someone who they probably thought we would sit down and chop it with at some point. Been a very. But they don't know. It's hip hop interaction and everything is okay. This is rap. This is rap. It's all loves, all love and hip hop. We are with Ray Vaughn. How you feeling, brother? Feeling like TD and his. Listen, man, listen. I didn't think that me and you would ever sit down. I want. Even if we did sit down, we going to run into each other. Absolutely. And have a conversation. It don't even matter. Absolutely. For hip hop though, it's fun. Absolutely. So where were you at the first time you sent a tweet out out about mo. Like give me that process of that first mall. Like when we. When you popped it up. Because we was on. We was on defense that turned the offense. I was sitting here like we've been supporting Rayon for God knows how long. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then I felt like you took it a little is is out there. I was the first to say, yo, that one his. His LA leakers is one of the best ones ever on the Bean was crazy. I didn't know that because I don't like a song he don't with Me. It wasn't that. It's how say it. Okay, how do you. How do you view how he said it? I feel like how say it is slighted. It's like, say it to get the clicks instead of it being like, oh, nah, that ain't me. It is. It is. It is my team. No, I don't. They be trying to get me to say shit. There's one person I know that don't do. That's your job to be like, nah, he don't do that. He don't do that. Not for click. What about the drink? What about the Drake glazing? What about it? That ain't for the clicks. Nah. Okay. No, I'm not. I'mma say a. I'mma say Drake is talented. I'm not going to kill Kendrick. I didn't kill Kendrick. Yes, you do. I didn't like that song. One song. You did not. They. They killing me now because they pulling up every about Mr. Morale and I was like, yo, this is incredible. The concert was incredible. I said all of that. But because I said I didn't like, not like us, because I'm not jacking calling somebody. I'm not opposed to it. They could be like, oh, I don't like the song. That's all it was. That's not only hears. They only hears the current. They forgot about what I said about Kendrick before the battle, but once the battle happened, it's the same with academics. Oh, but that's my nigga. I gotta ride with my man. If we playing ball right now, you gonna root for the other. You gonna root with your man. You. Fact. That's always been my issue where the narrative has gotten lost with everything that Ma has been saying, because Ma's been bigging up Kendrick since I met him. So when this happened, obviously utde US coast and I no matter what happens, as you should. So why. When it comes on this side, that's his man's for real. That's my man's for real. And that's what I respect. That's what I'm saying when I. When I. So that's not glazing. Yeah, you supporting your actual friend is not glazing to me. That's why I don't like that word glazing. I think that is weird also. I think it's like that word is lazy. Using that word is lazy. Use something else. Yeah, you can use something else, man. All right, cool. You supporting your man just like you were supporting Dot. I'm supporting Drake. That's all Right or wrong. Right or wrong though. I'm gonna let have it. Right or wrong. This is what I'm saying. The only thing I feel like is the Internet clicks is like, all right, that's what's gonna get talking. And me, I'm like, all right, let's go viral. Okay, let's go viral. I am still an up and coming artist, but I'm also feel like one of them. And I know that a lot of rap can't with me, period. Like, we talking rap. Rap can't with me. So I'm gonna be like, all right, for sure. If a jump out the face, I'mma any back phase. Anybody who feel like they gonna talk crazy, I'mma talk crazy. We can keep it hip hop or not, but I'm not saying I'm leaving. I'm not talking about y' all. I'm talking about general, like, in general. It's like we keep it or not. Yeah. In the space of like hip hop, it's like, okay, everybody. Everybody gonna get. Yeah. That's where the von we come from. Where it's like, all right, for sure. I'm gonna shoot at everybody who feel like they got something to say, right? Period. Well, the moment that we got from that with, you know, with Joey Badass and you and Kai Cash and reason we were talking with everybody this weekend. It wasn't just. Don't just not include daylight. Oh, no, I'm not. I'm not excluding light. I just think that light disappeared after everything happened. Am I right or wrong? You outside. Reason outside. Kyle Cash outside. We ain't seen light yet. Yet. We at but like always teammates for a week, huh? Yeah, I was teammates. No, no, no. We've been teammates for life. I know that since battle rap. I feel like that light feel like he did what he had to do. That was his mission and that's that. He had a way. The way he closed it out, I felt like light. That was good. No, because then y' all get to be like, yeah, he washed all them. He watched all them. He shot that and that. Man, I. I do still feel like Joey washed on what? On what? On what? On what degree? This. What if you getting jumped and you hit at least three people down, you win. That's what I said on the Internet. This what I said. I said, this is why I'm missing right now. Because it's like 20 attacking one. I don't give a if that still standing when you walk away. He gonna always look like the winner. And I'm not I'm not oblivious to that fact. To be like, damn, all right. In that battle. It's gonna look like that. Because, yeah, nigga, he's still shooting this records he dropping is fire. Right. And I'm not a hater. My favorite one is finals crash, dummy. I love the hook and the beat. I don't know about the verses. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But as far as, like, rap, I made that nigga rap again. See, I'm not mad at you. Even if he would disagree. I'm not mad at that take. I feel like you should feel that way. And I know you don't listen to our show outside of the clips. I do listen to your show. I did. That's why I was like, I'll be going. I'm very, very analytical and I'm going to, like, diving in. So when I again, like, I just told you off camera, if I respond, it's because I actually feel away. Right? Right. I'm not gonna respond to. I mean, I don't give a. Yeah, yeah. And it's not like y' all little. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I'll be like, all right. Yeah. I'm gonna say what the. I. Yeah, same way. Gonna say what the. They gotta say. I'm just not a podcast, so I'm not gonna say it in a conversation. It's gonna tweet and who don't know me, they're gonna take it as like, oh, right, right. When it's like, if you meet me in person, I'll be like, I say the same. I said, but you probably won't take it as this. And I'm a funny ass. Right. So I'm a crack. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, that's just what it is. Yeah. And I mean, we. We had said based off what mall saying with daylight kind of being quiet after the entire thing, we complimented. I thought you putting out that live performance in the midst of that entire thing on YouTube was the perfect move. Like, we went back and forth of who's the real winners. This and that. Did Joey wash them up? Yeah, that's. That's for fun. And that's rap talk. But the way you've capitalized off putting on God has been it put my stocks up. That's what it's supposed to do. Outside of that, this one, I'm saying it's healthy rap. A lot of niggas on the Internet beyond. Because I feel like this is what it is. Niggas hate Drake So much or hate dot so much, it's going to be a clear division. I'm T.D.E. yeah. To the bone. So the N who don't like us, they going to get under the comments, talking shit. Even if it's not Drake, it's Joey. So they gonna team Joey. Yeah. Who don't like. It's just everything but td. Yeah. That's what it's gonna be. So I'm not mad at that. Where it comes down to, like, understanding how this changes the trajectory of my career, though, I'm very understanding. That's why I want combat with. Right. That's. And for the most part, we have most medias talking about rap. Not who who. Not who text message, who got more money, who got a big exchange. We had talking about rap, who daylight really is. Even if you don't like the records, you like these rapping. Yeah. And hearing about the people that know about light, that was our first thing before Joey dropped Find the clip. Me and ma was like, I don't know if Joey want that problem, bro. Like, when I heard my town. You got another one to me, though. I'm on the phone with, hey, this dropped again. I'm in the man. I'm in a hotel. He called Lux. And this called Lux. Yeah. I didn't even listen to the song. I'm just hot. Yeah. And I'm like, all right, all right. This got Lux. Yeah. I'm gonna go get Snoop Dogg. I gotta go get somebody like crazy out there, man. What. What made you want to flip back down? 50 my favorite New York artist. Really? Really? Yeah. Okay. I don't feel like there's nobody from New York better than 50. Okay. Artist, street. Not like rap. I know what you're saying for me. 50, my favorite New York artist. And I'm like, all right. If I get him, I gotta get him. I gotta get him on some. That's like 50 and back down. It's like I'm the underdog. Keep forgetting that. Yeah. That Joey is a vet. Yeah. Period. I'm not the. That's gonna take. We rapping. So I'm a disrespect. And I'm a disrespectful. Especially when I used to battle rap. I'm talking about dead people. People. I'm going to me. There's no limit. Okay. You can say whatever you want to say to me in battle. Yeah. If it's like we ain't engaged, then it's like it might be taking this disrespect. Yeah. But we Engaged in battle. I'm putting myself on a platform for a to say whatever the they gonna say. Right? And I look like a. If I'm like, I want to kill this because he mentioned my. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So to me, I'm like, it's rap, so don't take nothing off the table. Right? Diddy angle's on the table. Table, right. Freak offs on the table. Baby oil on the table, Girl on the table. Everything is on the table. Right? When it comes down to rap battles. Right. For me. Right. I'm gonna be disrespectful. Afterwards, we can shake hands like nothing. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So to me, it's just art. Healthy sparring. Healthy sparring. And, you know, we were talking about it every day for that week on the podcast, but now we're speaking to somebody that was in that battle. Yeah. We could only speculate how people were deciding on who to reply to and who not to reply to. Because I love that everyone got in the mix. Everyone started rap. I like that idea. I feel like it made it muddy. It got muddy towards the end. But like, anything in this era, like, once something starts to pop, everyone's gonna follow. So how did you decide on who I'm replying to and who I'm not replying to? Because the understanding, the mission of, like, who the I'm talking to, who am I mad at? Not mad at, but, like, who am I Who my real issue is? So, like, when it came, when it start, I'm like, he's catching the straight immediately. Like, this nigga's popping around. I'm getting on this immediately because I'm like, he's an advocate over here. So it's like, Tori don't know me and Tori are. Yeah. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. This Tory called me. We just laughed. Yeah. Laughed and talked on the phone for like an hour and a half. Yeah. The whole era has a Tory shot. But, you know, I want that to get better. You know what I'm saying? Like, with all the shit that you've been going through, it happened the day before. I drove, dropped, and I'm like, damn, I gotta change these lines. That's distasteful. Victory is really my friend. Right. You get what I'm saying? So it's hip hop. Like, yeah, yeah. We looking at it like, oh, all right. Now if I go do that and jump out the face, I jump out the face on. They're gonna be like, damn, we not friends. Because I'm going through some real life. Yeah. And you think it's funny to rap about it's not a bar. Yeah. It's not a bar. That's not. I think what y' all did was first of all, y' all showed that a lot of the. The next wave up, y' all can still push the pin and really rhyme. But then y' all could also just keep it sport. When we talk about who killing over raps. Right. Look how stupid you look. Right. My stock didn't went up, right. I'm getting brand calls. I'm getting other. Right. Just for dissing. Right. You can do that and make money. You're doing that with high level raps. Cuz. That has not been profitable lately. Like the fact that you getting those calls because you was rapping well is something that needs. Ain't no gimmicks. Yeah. Ain't no fun funny, right. It's like re rapping. So like I said for sport. I respect the out of it. I'm shooting at who I feel like, all right. That I gotta get him. Yeah. I can't let him. I gotta get him. It's like. So it's even. If don't rap, you got a platform, right. You gonna respond because you're gonna be like, who the do this think he is? And I know. And we knew what it was. I was just like, all right. It. I gotta get some of these bars. I can't rap. So I gotta talk. Like, this is what I do. I talk on my platform. But I just love the fact to see y' all get out, go at each other and then talking. The reason that Kai knowing that them behind the channels conversations happen. Yeah. Like him and Kyle was communicating like, yo, that was hard. I didn't talk. I ain't even hit Kai. I just ran into him. Yeah. And I'm like, all right. But then his energy was good. Yeah. No, he's a good guy. He's a good dude for sure. Absolutely. And I'm like, nigga, you the only nigga. Yeah. That I felt like beyond Joey. Yeah. I'mma shoot CJ all day. Because I'm like fair. Taking my New York buys off fair. I get it. I don't give a. I get it. I'm a bleed CJ all day life. I get it, bro. That should have not that said he was in a 20v1 after you responded. That's actually funny. Get the out the way you're not taking back phase. Yeah. I feel you before we left let you go Complex put out a list. LA rappers. LA rappers. Just as a rap fan, how did you feel? Okay. I don't care about nobody list. I don't care about who feel like who is who. Everybody gonna have their own. I don't care about that either. He had his top 100 though. I feel like it is what it is. Entitled to their own opinions. Yeah. Me, I don't care. Gonna put me on the list wherever they want to put me. That ain't what I feel, so it don't matter. So, so what's next to Rayvon now? Post all of this. Now it's like, all right, capitalize, capitalize on the momentum. I feel like popping out, even popping out over here where are. Like, I wouldn't even think he would go sit down with them. Yeah, because they think they don't know, right? It's media, right? It's hip hop, right? If you ain't down or if you take shit personal, you're gonna be broke forever. So, yeah, this ain't the space. You might walk past a nigga who didn't even know your face, right? But he know your music. That don't mean he don't fuck with you. Right? You get what I'm saying? So I'm like very, very like. I'm trying to be more in the public eye when be like, oh, I see that as far as tde. Yeah. That little outside, right. And so capitalizing on that with like singles that's about to come out. Singles on a project. Good, the bad, the dollar menu. I didn't focus on those singles. Yeah. I just made sure understand the platform. However niggas receive it, receive it. Now it's like, I have singles. I write for big artists. I already done that. So it's like, all right, now we gonna focus on putting the singles out. So now I have a foundation for to come back to when next time you're in New York, you got to come by the studio so we can do a real proper sit down conversation. Talk about all the new music you got coming out. It's a pleasure to meet you. Yeah, it's away from the Internet, away from the words. It's just rap. It's just talking. I respect you, love everything you're doing and Rory and M support Ray Von. Yeah, my guy. Ah, come on. Why is this taking so long? This thing is ancient. Still using yesterday's tech Upgrade to the ThinkPad X1 Carbon Ultra Light, ultra powerful, and built for serious productivity with Intel Core ultra processors, blazing speed and AI powered performance that keeps up with your business, not the other way around. Whoa, this thing moves. Stop hitting snooze on new tech. 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