Checking In With Bag Fuel

Summary

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New Rory & Mal: "Checking In With Bag Fuel"

Release Date: September 25, 2025
Hosts: Rory & Mal
Guests: Bag Fuel (Esso, Heineken, Space, Randy)
Producer: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Rory and Mal sit down with the Bag Fuel crew for a long-awaited conversation full of banter, hot takes, industry insights, and behind-the-scenes stories. Topics flow from celebrity divorces and the state of hip-hop to podcasting's business realities and personal codes in relationships. The energy is loose, irreverent, and introspective—a blend of laughter and real talk that makes for an engaging listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Welcoming Bag Fuel and Setting the Tone

• [02:57] Rory welcomes Bag Fuel, expressing excitement and respect for their work.
• [03:14] Mal sets a relaxed tone: "Stop being so fucking formal and get the rolling start."
• The conversation quickly turns informal, focused on honest, humorous takes.

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Cardi B & Offset Divorce Debate

Main Segment: [04:20–27:20]

The Situation:

• Bag Fuel leads a breakdown of Cardi B and Offset's alleged divorce proceedings, including rumors about asset divisions and alimony.

Key Points:

• Offset reportedly wants Cardi to pay his taxes and give him a property as part of the divorce deal.
• The group debates the fairness and gender dynamics of alimony and asset division.
  • Maul: "Cardi B definitely talked to Mary J. Blige, the only woman that's had to pay alimony." [04:54]
  • Randy: "Marriage is a business... At the end of the day, it's a business." [07:16–07:18]
  • Heineken: "If Offset has started off the marriage saying, ‘I want prenup,’ everybody would've dragged him and said, it’s about love...now the tables are reversed." [07:29]
• The hosts discuss male pride versus practical realities when accepting financial settlements:
  • Randy: "If Offset's not taking it on the chin and you know for a fact, we be taking a lot of bullshit...shouldn’t we salute him?" [25:12]
  • Maul: "But that's the difference though. As men we just at a disadvantage, because there’s certain things that we just gotta take on the chin and be like, yeah..." [25:04]
• Arguments around who elevated whom in the relationship and the importance of timing and pre-nups.
  • Randy: "When the Bodak thing...that relationship is what took her worldwide." [11:02]

Memorable Quotes:

• Randy: “If I really want to get this out the way, let’s just get it out the way, and let’s just move on. Why would I drag it out? That’s how I’m thinking if I’m Cardi. Because I’m in the driver’s seat.” [14:09]
• Heineken: “Marriage is a business.” [07:17]

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Gender Double Standards in Relationships

Segment: [17:17–22:34]

• Discussion deepens over reputations, infidelity, and societal expectations.
  • Maul: "If you wife an allegedly promiscuous woman, that’s your prerogative. Just because you agree to do that doesn’t mean...now when I get in this relationship, I can fuck a bunch and embarrass her." [18:17]
  • Randy: "If I fuck with a thought or a hoe and I’m giving you a chance and you catch me a couple times, you best to turn your head." [18:52]
  • The hosts challenge old-school thinking, especially regarding who "deserves" loyalty or sympathy in breakups.

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The Role of Rumors & Reputation

Segment: [22:39–24:40]

• Rumors and "scouting reports" play into dating decisions and reputations.
  • Maul: "At a certain age, every chick is gonna have a rumor about her." [24:09]

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Artist Collaborations, Ghostwriting & Stardom

Segment: [28:29–41:44]

• Cardi B’s music is discussed, with focus on Partisan Fontaine’s songwriting and the balance between being a hitmaker behind the scenes and stepping into the spotlight.
  • Rory: "Party might be the messiest nigga in the industry." [30:12]
  • Heineken: "His strength is obviously his pen." [32:27]
  • Career paths of writers becoming artists: Dream, Ty Dolla $ign, Victoria Monet, Bryson Tiller, Neo, etc.
  • The relative merits of being lowkey (writing hits) vs. seeking stardom.

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Friendship, Loyalty & Fallout in Hip-Hop

Segment: [58:48–68:47]

Cam’ron, Dame Dash & 50 Cent Drama:

• Dissecting the ongoing public beef and business/personal consequences.
  • Rory: "We can have disagreements but...certain shit you just can’t fall into." [59:15]
  • Heineken: "You got an animal in Dame Dash, Cam’ron and 50 Cent." [60:14]
• Noting how old wounds, pride, and public forums escalate issues, threatening to derail legacies and relationships.
  • Randy: "We always forget the beginning for some reason. We always remember when niggas is in the top spot and who got the leverage. This is a leverage game." [17:27]
  • Rory: "That's how I feel about this Cam and Dame shit...there was real genuine love there..." [67:42]

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State of Hip-Hop & Superstar Culture

Segment: [73:13–78:53]

• The group laments a lack of excitement and “outside” presence from today's hip-hop stars.
  • Randy: "When Drake was in town, it was hysteria..." [74:09]
  • Heineken: "Once the battle died down, it’s been boring." [76:31]
• Debate about rollouts, old vs. new promotional strategies, and the accessibility of artists.

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The Future of Executives and Label Power

Segment: [78:53–83:23]

• Which executives can create new superstars? A discussion about risk-taking, the old guard, nepotism, and why rising execs like Coach K and P from QC (Quality Control) matter.
  • Heineken: "These Execs now are 50 and above. If they take a chance on the wrong artist and get fired—they're out forever." [79:48]
  • Maul: "I think nepotism is a good thing." [81:15]
  • Talk of record labels eventually signing podcasters and streamers the way they once did rappers [82:41].

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Podcast Culture, Business, & Authenticity

Segment: [87:24–94:36]

• Personal and business relationships in the podcast world—why integrity and mutual value matter.
  • Heineken: "The conflict is good for YouTube, but business-wise, it don’t make sense." [88:30]
• The "podcast boom" is discussed as evolving from a gold rush to a space requiring real production, teams, and audience understanding.
  • Randy: "It was just fun and games, but now they realize you gotta have real cameras... if you don't have a Space Ghost... it's hard to find these niggas." [91:14]

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Dating Norms, Spending Money & Societal Narratives

Segment: [101:10–108:45]

• Jokes fly about dating, "tricking," buying Birkins, and the "cheap" label.
  • Rory: "A girl brought that up to me last weekend. She was like, 'Yo, I heard you was cheap.' I was like, Where are y'all getting this from?" [102:09]
  • The crew rib each other over who pays for what, and whether dinner dates should lead to sex.

Memorable Exchange:

Randy: "I go on dinner dates all the time, bro. Why? I'm not looking for pussy."
Maul: "To get to know people."
Heineken: "You don't pay for pussy is what you."
Rory: "Yeah, I don't do that, but I'll definitely go being cheap in that." [103:31–103:42]

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Lightning Round: Quick Stories & Anecdotes

Jail, Car Troubles & Fan Encounters

• Randy recounts almost getting arrested, only to be saved by a cop who recognizes him from Bag Fuel. [97:19–98:18]
• Shout-outs to fans in unexpected places—including jail.

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Reflections on Authenticity & Podcasting Success

[93:02–94:36]

• The value of “perspective” over mere visibility is praised.
  • Maul: “Our only goal was perspective. We need to have an opinion to tell the people that are on camera what to do...This is why we can do long form content and the people that just want to be on camera can’t.” [36:34]

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Supporting Each Other & Addressing Industry Recognition

• The group discusses being left off complex’s “best podcasts” list, but find validation in peer respect.
  • Randy: "If a dude is saying all your lists is trash, why would you list them on the list?" [95:07]

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• "Marriage is a business." — Heineken [07:17]
• "When the Bodak thing...that relationship is what took her worldwide." — Randy [11:02]
• "If Offset has started off the marriage saying, ‘I want prenup,’ everybody would've dragged him..." — Heineken [07:29]
• "At a certain age, every chick is gonna have a rumor about her." — Maul [24:09]
• "Party might be the messiest nigga in the industry." — Rory [30:12]
• "If you really got money and want this shit behind me, I’m putting this shit behind me." — Randy [14:29]
• "The podcast boom once upon a time, and now it’s...not the same no more." — Randy [90:27]
• "Our only goal was perspective..." — Maul [36:34]
• "When Drake was in town, it was hysteria..." — Randy [74:09]
• "If they take a chance on the wrong artist and get fired—they're out forever." — Heineken [79:48]
• "A girl brought that up to me last weekend. She was like, 'Yo, I heard you was cheap.'" — Rory [102:09]
• "That's why I don't go out no more." — Rory [100:58]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Cardi B & Offset Divorce: 04:20–27:20
• Gender Double Standards: 17:17–22:34
• Artist Ghostwriting/Career Choices: 28:29–41:44
• Hip-Hop Legends Drama (Cam, Dame, 50): 58:48–68:47
• State of Hip-Hop & Superstar Culture: 73:13–78:53
• Podcasting Business & Authenticity: 87:24–94:36
• Dating & "Cheapskate" Narrative: 101:10–108:45

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Overall Tone & Character

The entire episode stays true to New Rory & Mal’s signature laid-back, witty, and candid style—juxtaposed against Bag Fuel’s no-filter honesty and seasoned industry perspective. Banter feels authentic, yet the crew goes beyond surface-level takes, giving listeners a seat at the table for genuine, insightful, sometimes spicy conversations about the music industry, gender roles, business, loyalty, and the evolving nature of hip-hop and podcasting.

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For Listeners Who Missed It...

Expect:

• Unfiltered takes on celebrity relationships and the business of marriage
• Deep dives on what makes a lasting music career (and why some stars fade)
• Hot takes on the state of hip-hop and what’s lacking today
• Industry wisdom about friendship, loyalty, and "making it" in media and music
• Jokes, real-life stories, and a running thread of male bonding, self-reflection, and mutual respect

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Listen for a mix of wild humor and hard-won wisdom—a true “checking in” with Bag Fuel and a testament to the power of keeping it real in hip-hop culture and podcasting.

Transcript

[Randy]

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[Randy]

The volume. No warrior now.

[Rory]

All right, Rory, we are back with another episode. Today we are joined by some guys that we've been watching. Really proud of the things that they're doing in the space. Very entertaining, very funny. And I'm glad that we finally have them here. Cause this conversation's been long overdue. We've been talking about having them on for a while.

[Maul]

Stop being so fucking formal and get the rolling start.

[Heineken]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

They want the ignorance. We here with bad fuel how to get so. And we got space here as well. Nah, nah. I wanna get some shit. I wanna get some shit.

[Rory]

Let's get right.

[Heineken]

Where's my girl at though? The marriage.

[Rory]

The marriage baby D be. You know she come in whatever she feel like. You know this world we live in.

[Randy]

Now we got valuable enough.

[Heineken]

I know she took the vac. She took the off day PTO popular for her to come.

[Rory]

That's probably not.

[Maul]

You need to come on a Monday or a Thursday. That's really it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

Okay.

[Maul]

Monday, Wednesday she don't be in here.

[Randy]

Wednesday she ain't coming making all type of excuses.

[Rory]

Listen man, just roll the tape back. She. She never hit on Wednesday. She's never here. Was only way she'll be here on a Wednesday if we have a guest is if it's somebody like she like a Chris Brown. Like oh, Chris.

[Maul]

But even her defense she missed Bryson Tiller and that was a Wednesday and she. She wanted to do that. But yeah.

[Heineken]

It's not personal. Then.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, never.

[Maul]

But now. I mean space could take.

[Heineken]

Take her space got topics especially he got.

[Rory]

You got topics. What you want to talk about? Let's get to it because let's start with the first.

[Heineken]

Yeah, let's start Cardi B. And now what y' all put let's talk about her not wanting to get a divorce.

[Rory]

Not wanting to get a divorce.

[Maul]

I didn't know that part. See y' all know more about Cardi B than I do.

[Rory]

Yeah, I didn't know nothing about that.

[Maul]

Isn't she in a relationship in breakfast.

[Randy]

And she's saying that offset in order to get the divorce for him to sign off. She's saying allegedly that she want. He wants her to pay his taxes. Yep. He wants her to give her to give him a property and something else. He wants something.

[Heineken]

I just want to say God bless equal rights and she's. It worked out perfectly in all sex favorite hold On.

[Maul]

So Cardi B definitely talked to Mary J. Blige, the only woman that's had to pay alimony.

[Heineken]

Cardi B would have to pay, too.

[Maul]

As she should, though.

[Heineken]

Oh, yeah, I agree.

[Maul]

And that's not a Cardi B thing particular. But how she got alimony works, she gotta do that.

[Rory]

Wait, hold on.

[Maul]

I don't agree with the alimony lawyer.

[Randy]

You know more than one. Nobody say nothing about Cardi B.

[Rory]

No, no, I love Cardi, but I'm just. I'm trying to figure off Offset.

[Randy]

Allegedly is what Cardi Bs come out and said.

[Rory]

Offset wants the divorce, Cardi doesn't.

[Heineken]

Yes, because she would have to pay out because.

[Randy]

No, Offset wants it. But in order for him to sign off, she's saying he wants his taxes paid.

[Rory]

Oh, okay.

[Randy]

He wants a property and something else. It's something else.

[Rory]

The only reason. All right, so this is McCarty saying.

[Maul]

Y' all want to know the tea? The only way I can get out of my marriage is if I pay for somebody else's taxes. Even though I pay for my own and give them one of my properties. I'm gonna fight for that. That is not no love. I'm not gonna stop living my life. I mean, that's just a divorce, though. Don't you, like, go split up assets and owe money back? Like, that's just a divorce. No.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

That's why divorces take 10 years.

[Rory]

But I'm on the side of enlightened. If I'm Offset and my ex wife is months pregnant with her new dude already. I'm not. Let's just get this over with. Like, I want nothing.

[Heineken]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Randy]

I'm not.

[Rory]

I'm not. Like, she's pregnant by someone. It's like, all right, cool. Like, I'm not even embarrassed.

[Randy]

You got.

[Heineken]

You got a great NFL wide receiver impregnating your wife while you're legally marri. That's what it was designed for.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Randy]

They don't want you saying nothing about Cardi B. No, no, no, no.

[Maul]

I'm just saying it says wild shit about Cardi B, though.

[Rory]

As a man. You got the thing. As a man, I don't think that I would even want to drag that.

[Heineken]

You're not wrong.

[Rory]

I'm just like, yo, let's just get this over with. Because it's just like, I'm. This is obviously completely done.

[Heineken]

I want the mansions. Give me the mansions. Giving the Maybachs.

[Rory]

Yeah. But Offset got some. He naughty. I mean, he probably Is not doing as well. I'm not pocket watching, but he's probably not doing as well as guardians.

[Heineken]

But take more. This is what it was designed for. Equal rights.

[Randy]

It's true. If it was a man, if it was vice versa, we'd be like, give her a house.

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Randy]

Pay her little taxes and give us something.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

But y' all know standards are real.

[Rory]

But y' all know it just looks away. It's like, I mean, as men, it's a lot of shit. We just got to take on the chin and just be like, yo, marriage your business?

[Randy]

Huh?

[Maul]

Marriage is a business.

[Heineken]

It's a business.

[Randy]

At the end of the day, it's a business.

[Maul]

You don't have to be in love.

[Randy]

He's trying to split when he needs. Where he needs his money, and she's gonna get his.

[Maul]

It's a business breakup.

[Heineken]

If Offset has started off the marriage saying, I want prenup, everybody would have dragged him and said, it's about love. When you make it business, it's not really about love. That's what they always say. Right now the tables are reversed.

[Randy]

The tables turn. She got more money. Yeah. She's in a better position. Yeah.

[Heineken]

Nobody dragged Rihanna when she said, I'm not mad.

[Maul]

Kevin Federline like, yo, be a man. Don't take nothing.

[Randy]

Give me my 10 million, I'm out.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

But he's accustomed to a certain life.

[Rory]

Pregnant with another child.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

What does that mean? I think as a man, I'm just like, man, I don't even like, yo, whatever we got to do for me to never have to even stand in front of this woman again.

[Heineken]

But y' all have to.

[Randy]

You got three kids.

[Rory]

I don't got to see her, see my kids.

[Heineken]

That's not how that works.

[Rory]

Party again to see his kids. Y' all know that.

[Randy]

No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

Put the kids in the. In the truck.

[Maul]

Sports and other activities, graduation, holidays.

[Rory]

She's on the. She's in the. She's in the end zone. I'm standing by the 50 yard line. She got to stand over there by the end zone.

[Maul]

Okay, well, I need a car to drive to football practice. Party.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Nah, that's nasty.

[Heineken]

That's nasty.

[Rory]

A man can't do that. Nah, nah, nah, nah.

[Randy]

You can't do that.

[Rory]

Nah, that's nothing.

[Randy]

When you do nothing. Right. If we split up and she got more money than me, I want a crib.

[Heineken]

Yup.

[Randy]

I don't know about paying my taxes. I don't know about that.

[Heineken]

You know what it is?

[Randy]

If we're married, but I'm keeping it honest. Like y' all said. If we're married and we got properties, will I naturally get me a proper property anyway? Why would I have to get a property from her? Or is he saying he wants a extra property? Like, what are we talking about?

[Rory]

He's trying to hit a home run. You know that.

[Maul]

Like, this is all him and Esso's point, though. Like. All right, if they have. They had an LA one and Atlanta one. I don't know these people. Business.

[Randy]

Just what they tell us, supposedly, in New Jersey.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Like, if we're splitting all that. Yeah. We need to bust down which properties are going which. And on top of that, it could not just be his personal taxes. They could have property tax. They could have business together.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Maul]

His taxes have not been paid.

[Rory]

Like, this answers all of this. They don't have a prenup.

[Maul]

No, I don't think.

[Heineken]

Pretty much not.

[Randy]

I guess if we did, we wouldn't.

[Heineken]

Be talking about this.

[Randy]

She wouldn't be up there talking about, oh, he wants his tax. That would already be in the paperwork. Yeah, but like. But like he said prior, when they got married, he was the one that was up. Right.

[Rory]

His first album year in.

[Randy]

Yeah. Say they both was up.

[Rory]

They both doing well for you.

[Randy]

Let's give them both up. Yeah. Nobody. Nobody.

[Rory]

Well, on the album, Cardi's saying that she. She's, like, making more than him. She's. She said.

[Randy]

You mean right now?

[Rory]

I mean everybody right now. I'm just saying, like, not since the album came out. I'm saying she put that in the bars. Meaning she. That's like. She's known. Like, I'm making more than him.

[Randy]

But when. When she. I'm not even gonna go into that.

[Rory]

Yeah, no. Go into it.

[Randy]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

Say what you gotta say.

[Randy]

When I go based upon things, I always go back to the. And we had Offset on the show one time, and I asked him, I said, yo, how does it feel to be like, you know, you really helped spawn Cardi B. To me, it's like, because the relationship with you and her was what took it worldwide and the record and all that. He was like, I ain't got nothing to do with that. You know what I'm saying? That's what he said. He's like, I ain't got nothing to do with that.

[Rory]

Yeah. She was lit before they got together.

[Randy]

You think so?

[Maul]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

She has the greatest first rap album.

[Randy]

They was together.

[Maul]

Bodak Yellow.

[Randy]

Bodak Yellow was out. They was together.

[Maul]

No, yes, they was after bodega for sure.

[Randy]

She was in Europe when Bodak Yellow was fresh. She was in Europe, and they asked her about Offset in Europe and. Yes, and that's when it leaked. And Bodak Yellow blew up right after that.

[Rory]

Oh, that came out in June.

[Randy]

They got married in September of the same year. That's what I'm saying. They were together already. My.

[Maul]

But I'm not. I'm not.

[Randy]

They were just keeping it quiet. That's what I'm trying to tell you. They was together already.

[Heineken]

No, he was different. He was when they got put together. That's why he know.

[Randy]

Okay, but it was together.

[Maul]

Fair. But let's not just say. There was also Cardi putting out good music, Atlantic behind it, her personality, everything she had had before on social media, it was a whole.

[Rory]

It helped both of them. Yeah, it did.

[Randy]

Cardi put out a dope album, but before that album, no street records. People was not fucking with those records. I be. Can I curse up here?

[Rory]

Yeah, of course. Absolutely.

[Randy]

I be with it. I be with the DJs. And back then, that's all I did. And I'm gonna say this on camera. I used to come to the DJs and be like, yo, y' all gonna play cardi B. And N. S was laughing at me. And they was like. And he knows that. I was like. And they would be like. This is what they would say, Randy, why you think we gonna be playing Cardi B? She can't rap or whatever. I said. Because nobody works harder than her. And because she works so hard, all it takes is to get one joint. And when she get that one joint, she gonna kick the door down. Because evidently she works harder. And people liked her personality from television already. So I kind of saw that, you know what I'm saying? But when the Bodak thing. I'm telling y', all, when the Bodak. It was a good record. I knew about it. It was going to be popping. But, like. Like he said, they got married right after that. And that relationship is what took her worldwide, I'm telling y'. All. Yeah, People wasn't thinking about her like that. She was. She was. She had 500, 000 followers, and they was rocking with her. But when that relationship changed, because Migos was through the roof at that time, and that really helped her. You know what I'm saying?

[Maul]

I'm not saying it didn't help her, but to what you were also saying, her being a hard worker and her being able to follow up with Bodak, there's a million artists that have a Bodak yellow and not a motorsport after that. Or not a classic first album. Like, that happens all the time.

[Randy]

Migos record. And then if we talking right from the beginning, right, Some people are gonna burst, right? So if I'm with y', all, right? Say when Backfield first started, when we had the spin off, if y' all could have said, yo, we gonna with y', all, right? You know what I mean? And we could have said, all right, Boom, boom, boom. Yo, we gonna bring y' all under the umbrella and all that. Y' all might have not thought that we was gonna burst, but say we do go on and burst and we start doing extra numbers and we making millions and millions of dollars more than y', all, right? I still would owe y'. All. Mm. You feel what I'm saying? That beginning and that break and that matters, putting me on that platform.

[Rory]

But now everybody don't think the way you think.

[Randy]

I know that. But that's why I'm saying, if I'm Cardi B, I'm. Yo, bro, if I' all this money, yo. Get a stupid. The house. Get it. Pay this his dumb ass taxes. Yeah, give him the stupid. Because I got a baby by another football player that even if he's going out the league, they still make $8 million, $12 million. You know, the money. If I really want to get this out the way, let's just get it out the way, and let's just move on. Why would I drag it out? That's how I'm thinking. If I'm Cardi. Because I'm in the driver's seat.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

And if I really want this shit behind me, I'm putting this shit behind me.

[Heineken]

That's a big fact.

[Randy]

That's how you think. To me, that's how I think. If you got the money and I.

[Rory]

Can you get it over.

[Randy]

And you. You got that, too.

[Rory]

Let's just get it over.

[Randy]

And I'm gonna move on and let it just me.

[Heineken]

I want to think that way, but I'm seeing too many dudes getting private investigators trying to deal with divorces right now.

[Maul]

Okay?

[Heineken]

The women play really nasty because men want to be honorable, because what mall said that is not a manly thing to take money from a woman from a divorce. But in order to fix this ideology, an example has to be made for them to say, we need to chill right now. If Offset got to be the first one to do it, to lay the groundwork, so be it.

[Randy]

But I understand where Maul's Coming from he right. I agree with Maul because there was a time I'm getting divorced, but there was a time when I was with my wife where I took a step back so she could make more money. And I was cool with that, and it had nothing to do with me. But I do know that if I divorced her at that time and she was still making that much more, because she's probably making three, four more times. You right. I wouldn't have asked her for nothing. I would have just spun off. Because even that's just.

[Rory]

Man, that's the difference, though.

[Randy]

But I didn't look at it like that when you first said it.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

Because I. Because at that time, I would have been like, I ain't taking.

[Heineken]

But some women are smart.

[Randy]

Do my own thing. I'm gonna get back to doing what I do right. And just get my bread.

[Rory]

And that's just our nature to be like, yo, listen, whatever she need, take it.

[Randy]

It's over with it. You got it.

[Maul]

But I'm talking. That would be on that side.

[Heineken]

If they think a man going to be up, they'll drag the divorce out. Still say you married. Just like the coach on the Heat when Pat Riley did a service and said, we gonna hold your contract. And then when the divorce is final, 200 million. Here you go.

[Maul]

Yeah, I mean, but to the honorable thing. Again, we don't know these people, but I can see Cardi, based off what she's told us, just one side of the story.

[Heineken]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Offset wasn't the most honorable person in that relationship, which could lead somebody to extremely petty when it comes to a divorce. So, yeah, you helped put me on. You helped launch my career. But I didn't come for that. I came because I loved you, and you dishonored that.

[Randy]

How about this publicly, let me tell you.

[Maul]

Why am I paying you?

[Randy]

Cause y' all talking crazy, right? If that's the case about being that right. When Austin first got with her, people had issues of saying, like, why would he be with Cardi B? She had a reputation. People said a lot of things about her, and he overlooked those things as well, bro. And, and, and, and, and, and he went to a place where not too many would have gone with her. And people was looking at him like, yo, you really gonna marry her, bro? And he did it and did have.

[Heineken]

Three kids and dropped three albums in her.

[Maul]

Back to back to back, dropping three albums in hers.

[Randy]

We got to remember, we always forget the beginning for some reason. We always remember when is in the top spot and who got the leverage. This is a leverage game.

[Maul]

What were people saying about Cardi though? She's a stripper.

[Randy]

I'm gonna say Cardi, come on. I'm not gonna go into it.

[Maul]

I'm outside. You were in the outside looking in.

[Randy]

I'm going to. You can look online and things have.

[Rory]

Yeah, you can scroll back in 27, bro.

[Randy]

I'm not gonna lie. It's a lot, bro. You know what I'm saying? He said things on his show with him that then. 20 million hits.

[Maul]

That's been.

[Randy]

That's wild for me.

[Heineken]

Oh yeah, it went viral again. I forgot about that.

[Randy]

With that people of a certain stature, especially where he was at at that time. People forget he was taking heat, bro. Yeah.

[Maul]

All right, so. All right, so let me. Can I reply to that?

[Heineken]

What's up?

[Maul]

All right. If you wife a alleged promiscuous woman, that's your prerogative. You can do that. Just because you agree to do that doesn't mean. Now when I get in this relationship, I can a bunch of and embarrass.

[Randy]

You publicly kind of. I gotta get a couple of things off.

[Maul]

As long as you don't get in a relationship with a woman that has a reputation. And I'm not saying this about car just in general.

[Randy]

Yeah, that's that nigga's thing. If I with a thought or a hoe and I'm giving you a chance and you catch me a couple times, you best to turn your head. Yeah, because I attitude. Nobody.

[Rory]

That is crazy.

[Maul]

You don't think nobody was wa.

[Randy]

After this one? After she became this Cardi B. Yeah, after she became this. I'm not talking about wife and I'm talking about making her your wife. For real.

[Maul]

You think that was her first relationship Ring.

[Heineken]

When a ring.

[Randy]

A ring is you, it means a whole lot. That's a contract now, right?

[Rory]

But that don't mean. That don't mean she got to turn her head.

[Heineken]

If yes, she does.

[Randy]

Nah, turn your. Yo, B, B, B, I accept.

[Maul]

So any chick that has a pass, you can just cheat on it.

[Randy]

Yeah, right. You better cheat me and accept me for who the. I see.

[Rory]

Now you got to appreciate me more, cuz. You think that I'm crazy.

[Randy]

I this crazy.

[Rory]

I'm not this crazy.

[Maul]

Like because you. You decide you no one else you decide to date a woman with a pass, you get to just around on her, publicly embarrass her, cheat on her. That's not get other pregnant, come back with std.

[Randy]

Me? Yeah. I said if you catch me cheating, I Say bring. You.

[Heineken]

You got to turn your head real quick.

[Randy]

You throw her. You throw.

[Rory]

But because she was, I guess what they say. Promiscuous.

[Randy]

Promiscuous before we got together, which we don't know.

[Rory]

And she's not doing nothing while we're together.

[Maul]

Nothing. No. You tripping, bro.

[Randy]

All right.

[Heineken]

Did Kanye west have the right to cheat on Kim Kardashian even with the sex t.

[Randy]

Supposed to turn her head. That was her.

[Rory]

That was her boyfriend that she made a sex tate with. That was her boyfriend at the time.

[Heineken]

That's a porno.

[Rory]

That ain't. That was her boyfriend. That was some. That was some guy she met at a bar.

[Randy]

We ain't talking about this. That. Come on, come on, come on.

[Rory]

M. But if we're married. Listen, if I'm married. Listen, if.

[Heineken]

If we're married chicks, you. That I can't. Wife.

[Randy]

Yo, cuz, you going to laugh.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Randy]

Top tier.

[Rory]

But not if. Not if. Not if you're married to her, though, like, and she's not. She's not doing nothing. She's not stepping out at all.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Rory]

She's not stepping out on your marriage at all. And you think that it's okay for the. For the husband to just cheat?

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Rory]

Y'.

[Randy]

All. Look, I'm not going to say. I'm not going to say all of them.

[Maul]

So you get to cheat because mom teased you for wife?

[Randy]

Yes.

[Heineken]

You crush my ego. I got to get him back.

[Randy]

What are we talking about?

[Maul]

What does your ego ma and your have to do with anything?

[Randy]

Listen, it's. Man.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, you always got that option.

[Maul]

Check with Mo with every decision you ever make for the rest of your life.

[Rory]

Yo, I'm gonna take my girl out tonight. Is that okay?

[Heineken]

Listen, don't be around when I'm with her.

[Rory]

Nah, man, y' all tripping.

[Heineken]

I always used to be like, how do be around.

[Randy]

Nah, Let me not say no.

[Maul]

I feel you on that, though.

[Rory]

It's awkward. It's awkward.

[Heineken]

It is awkward.

[Rory]

We cool. And you are now dating like a girl that I dated.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, like, you walk in. Of course. That's naturally. It's awkward.

[Randy]

We not talking about a girl.

[Rory]

You talk about a girl. Just have fun with.

[Randy]

Whoa, whoa. Y' all having. Y' all having. Y' all watering the conversation down a little bit. A girl? No. What were we discussing? Somebody who, from the beginning, who would have been known or said to be promiscuous. Yeah, right.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Randy]

Not somebody that mom might have had. Just. Yeah, she might have just been a girl. He Just. And he didn't like it no more.

[Rory]

Yeah, we just had fun. Yeah, we have fun.

[Randy]

Not to me. She's a slut burger. We talking about what somebody would allegedly say. So even if we don't know, I was not there. I can't confirm nothing and no woman or anybody that has done. But we know that we know hear things. Not about her, but about other women and what it makes it people think about them just hearing it. If it's just multiple times. If that guy said it. Damn. You heard it too. You heard it too. We heard it from your. Nah.

[Heineken]

Oh, man. The scouting report is matching up too much.

[Randy]

The scouting report gets crazy.

[Heineken]

What's up, bro?

[Maul]

All right. So what if Offset had just heard rumors that were never confirmed because she's Cardi B. People gonna talk. People talk about people that we don't even know about.

[Heineken]

That's facts.

[Rory]

I don't even make this a Cardi situation.

[Randy]

It's just a regular convo. Yes.

[Maul]

Let's say I've been traveling the world. I've a million different chicks. I cannot find love anywhere. I run into somebody. We meet, we are compatible. I have never had this feeling with somebody else. They feel like a best friend. This feels like a future. But. But a bunch of dudes I don't give a about have heard she did some. I'm supposed to care about y' all or should I go love the woman that I'm compatible with?

[Heineken]

You gotta do your scouting report.

[Randy]

But you don't love her.

[Maul]

I'm not saying you don't.

[Randy]

Let's be real. You gotta do. You gotta.

[Heineken]

With no game planning.

[Maul]

I'm not saying there's not.

[Randy]

Definitely a lot big screen right here. That's gameplay.

[Heineken]

In order to win the super bowl.

[Rory]

You gotta do your scout.

[Maul]

I agree.

[Rory]

That is crazy.

[Maul]

I agree. What I'm saying. At a certain age, every chick is gonna have a rumor about her.

[Heineken]

You're right.

[Maul]

I'm 35 years old and I don't want to date a 22 year old.

[Rory]

Everybody.

[Maul]

I want to date somebody in their 30s.

[Rory]

Everybody.

[Heineken]

You just can't have Wilt Chamberlain numbers and think I'm gonna give you the same privilege I'm gonna give to somebody.

[Rory]

But then why get.

[Heineken]

But Rory gave great points. Sometimes the personalities don't talk about the pussies.

[Randy]

You don't get married.

[Heineken]

Yeah.

[Randy]

I'm not saying I'm not condoning or.

[Maul]

Go find a virgin, have the most boring life ever cheating.

[Randy]

I'm saying if he cheated along the way before they got Married, then she should turn.

[Rory]

But she did, though.

[Randy]

All right?

[Rory]

She did mad times, and I'm cool.

[Heineken]

And that's why he ran out of his chances.

[Randy]

I'm cool with that. But that doesn't mean. Then I'm gonna just. Just not get the house.

[Maul]

All right? So. No, you make a fair point there.

[Rory]

I'm not mad at that.

[Randy]

You Right, I'm sorry.

[Rory]

I'm not mad.

[Randy]

I'm for the crib.

[Rory]

I understand it. But I just think that, you know, as men, we just at a disadvantage because there's certain things that we just gotta take on the chin and be.

[Randy]

Like, yeah, but why is it foul if you don't take it on the chin? Like, if Offset's not taking it on the chin and you know for a fact, we be taking a lot of bullshit on the chin that we shouldn't. Shouldn't we salute him for saying, yo, you standing up for doing something else. Like. Like, he just said, yo, bro, I couldn't do it. But on some real. If it was a trendsetter, if it was a woman in that position, we would be saying, girl, get your. Yo, pay her.

[Rory]

Yeah, but we gotta. I with Offset, but we gotta just keep it real. He fucked with girls. She's cool with some of her friends.

[Randy]

That mean he can't get a house. That mean he can't get a house.

[Rory]

Come on.

[Maul]

Hypothetically. Hypothetically, if your queen, she loane you in your LA house, are you paying the property tax on the house? Because I'm not.

[Randy]

No. No.

[Maul]

So you're on Cardi B side.

[Rory]

There you go.

[Heineken]

I'm on. I'm on the real side, but you.

[Randy]

Right.

[Rory]

I'm just saying. But we gotta look at.

[Maul]

You think I'm paying a dollar in the house. You cheated on me. Come on.

[Heineken]

What about us?

[Randy]

Just sell the house and let's bust it down. There you go.

[Rory]

I'm sure that's an option.

[Randy]

I'm cool.

[Rory]

I'm sure that's an option.

[Randy]

I'm always. I'm fit.

[Rory]

I think that that's. I think that that's probably. But I think that's not to bring. But. But to bring it back to Cartertown. I think that's probably what she's in the process of doing. Like, you know what? Let's just sell the property. Like, you know, and they want to split it down.

[Randy]

That's all this.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that's.

[Heineken]

Do I want Cardi B to go through all of this? No.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

I don't want to offset nobody, but it's just a factor of life. I've been in the house for a fucking year and six months, sulking, but just working.

[Rory]

Listen, I love I What I've said, but we gotta remember he's the reason they're getting divorced.

[Heineken]

Really?

[Maul]

Cardi took some accountability.

[Randy]

I didn't know that.

[Maul]

Yeah, she took some accountability.

[Rory]

Did you listen to the album?

[Randy]

I thought I heard Cardi say when Takeoff had passed away, she should have been a little more sensitive. Sensitive and understanding to what he was going through as a person and shit. And she said she was focused on her music that could push a away. And when get pushed away, what do we do? We go looking for comfort in other women. That's what we do.

[Maul]

Women with a pass.

[Randy]

Whether. Whether some women with a pass thoughts are good for you. You gotta know how to. You gotta know how to work.

[Rory]

Because it's being alleged that.

[Heineken]

That what's up?

[Rory]

Offset slept with alleged sweetie, which is Quavo's ex.

[Randy]

Alleged.

[Rory]

Allegedly.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Y' all cool with that? Like, you cool if. If Heineken. If he smash you?

[Randy]

I'm not cool, and I wouldn't do that. But like y' all said, that's allegedly. We don't know if that happened and if that. No, nobody ever confirmed. Nobody confirmed none of that. Did they? Did anybody?

[Maul]

Nobody confirmed anything on the Cardi side either. And we. We taking all that for fact.

[Randy]

Cardi's out here talking about the house in the car. What we talking about?

[Maul]

She on live. Just talking. We don't know.

[Rory]

One thing. One thing I could. I could. I could. I could. I take from Cardi is I don't.

[Heineken]

Think she's a liar.

[Maul]

No, I don't think she's a liar either. I agree. I'm just saying that one sentence.

[Rory]

She wear her. Whether it look good on her or don't like she tasty like it is.

[Maul]

But that one sentence of, hey, it's a property and taxes. I think there's more to the story is all I'm saying.

[Randy]

Say, yeah, that's.

[Maul]

She's not a liar. I'm just saying there's more.

[Heineken]

I don't think there's ever been a point. I'm like, she's capping.

[Maul]

We not one of those people.

[Randy]

Yeah, she's unbelievably transparent.

[Rory]

So I with. So let's. Let's talk about. Let's get to the music, though. Oh, let's get to the album. The album's out. We had to wait seven, eight years.

[Randy]

You love it.

[Rory]

It's some. I'm not going to say I love it. Hold on. This is what. This is. What, do they try to hit you.

[Maul]

In the corner.

[Rory]

Corner and get you to say some, bro, you. I'm way too soft for that. You thought I was gonna take that bait? Like, we not doing that. No, listen. So I will say this. I will say this. No, listen, I will say this. I will say this. It's a couple joints on there I like. I don't think we had to wait seven, eight years. But I'm not mad because she put a lot of the content and that she's gone through in the past seven, eight years in the music, which I gotta respect. Like, I respect her putting it in the music versus going on live and going through all that. If you a artist, put it in the music, let us get it like that. So I respect that part of. It's a couple records on there, though, that I. That I really with, though.

[Randy]

I don't think it took seven, eight years. Because all that thing is just the Partisan Fontaine thing. I don't know.

[Heineken]

I don't give enough credit to that.

[Rory]

Well, let's not do that, because we did that. And they trying to say, oh, we're saying Cardi don't write her shit.

[Randy]

And this down, the third Partisan Fontaine is credited on, like, 17 of the 23 songs.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, no, no, listen, we're on. We align. I'm just saying let's not make it. Let' frame it. Like.

[Heineken]

No, it's not about writing. We talking about chemistry.

[Randy]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna get. Yeah. Like, whatever happened when I guess she married offsetting them. And then Partisan wasn't doing the same amount of creative work with her. I don't know what happened, but you could kind of tell in the music that certain people just have that vibe with each other.

[Rory]

So Party might be the messiest in the industry.

[Randy]

Why you killing?

[Rory]

No, I fuck with. That's my nigga. I fuck with him. But you gotta understand, he's been in. He's been writing for a lot of these female MCs.

[Randy]

Okay, okay.

[Maul]

It sounds like a hard work.

[Rory]

No? Which means he's privy to certain information. He's in the studio having conversation with these women. He knows about all of this shit that's going on.

[Randy]

Yeah, but why you think he's so messy? Cause he's helping her write about the other stuff.

[Rory]

Come on, fam.

[Randy]

But isn't Cardi B right? Maybe Cardi B wrote that part.

[Rory]

Yeah, the diarrhea beer.

[Randy]

I'm going say, I think that's party, man. Maybe. Maybe Cardi B wrote that part. You know what I'm saying? We gonna give her credit. Every subject matter she's credited on the song.

[Maul]

He may just clean up.

[Rory]

I'm just saying if she. If he's having conversations in the studio and Cardi's saying things about these other.

[Randy]

Rap chicks, you gotta.

[Rory]

He's sitting there like.

[Randy]

You gotta understand that Cardi B is from the beginning with Party.

[Rory]

No, for sure.

[Heineken]

Even before the music.

[Rory]

I think that he's. I think Partisan is severely underrated.

[Heineken]

Agreed.

[Rory]

His pen, even as an artist, like, even his own.

[Randy]

Never. Some people just, you know. You know, the inside of the music business. If they don't deem you as the one that was gonna go shine. And I said this a long time ago. This was before we. People even know about us. I said it wasn't gonna be in the record label's best interest to make Partisan Fontaine big at that time, because they didn't know she was gonna marry off set and not use Partisan Fontaine. They needed his fucking pen.

[Heineken]

So let's slow his shit up.

[Randy]

If I make this nigga Partisan Fontaine big, I'm not gonna get another Cardi B album. And she's the real meal ticket if he goes and sells a million records. So what? She's doing diamond and she's all over the world. We're making money off of her when she don't even put records out. So we need to slow this Partisan font. That's what I think. Honestly, hurt him because the record that he had and chicks like this nigga. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Heineken]

He got it.

[Randy]

If he throw a nigga throw a Partisan Fontaine party, it's nothing but broads in there. So I'm like, if all these broads like him, that means he has an audience. They're not gonna push his record like, wherever he's really gonna go.

[Rory]

But his strength is obviously his pen. And I don't know. And I don't know if he's. Because a lot of these guys that are talented songwriters, a lot of them really don't wanna be stars. They don't wanna be famous. They rather be like, yo, listen, I'm eating off of all of this music I'm writing, all of these artists I'm working with, I go outside, and most of the time, people have no idea who I am. That's the cheat code.

[Randy]

Well, I can't find those guys' cause everybody I know wanna get on the damn stage and all that and wanna be in Front of the camera all the time. And then.

[Rory]

Well, that's because people, rather a lot of people, human nature, they want attention. But when you're really talented and you really get in the industry and you really see how this shit goes, you, like, I could avoid all this bullshit with being an artist and just be a writer, a songwriter, still make a shit ton of money. I travel the world. I look better than all these other artists.

[Randy]

Old thinking more.

[Rory]

Because that's not old thinking.

[Randy]

No, no, no, no. It's that old thinking. Because that's how I thought. Right?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

But now when we have the singer.

[Heineken]

Songwriters come, Eric Bellinger told us, like, I'd rather be on the stage.

[Randy]

Todd Dollar Sign was like, nah, nah, I'd rather be on the stage. It's more lucrative for me.

[Rory]

We had Bryson on, and he said the opposite.

[Maul]

Been like that we see with Leon Thomas.

[Randy]

I like to hear that Bryson would say that, because I was like, I thought the money was in the publishing, for real. I didn't think everybody wanted to get on the stage and have to travel.

[Heineken]

But you heard what Eric said. Eric Bellinger said, yeah, you can be a writer and get the money coming in, but the perks that you get, being a visible face will allow you to keep things coming in.

[Rory]

That's ego.

[Heineken]

I mean, is it.

[Randy]

We.

[Heineken]

We're in a different time now.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's ego.

[Maul]

Artist.

[Rory]

When you want to be. No, absolutely. That's why it's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing.

[Maul]

As an artist, ego can be in a positive way.

[Rory]

You got to take that and fuel that. To be a star, you got to have some type of ego.

[Randy]

You think so?

[Heineken]

Because I agree with that.

[Randy]

I'm gonna take. I'm gonna. I'm gonna throw myself in the ring, Right? Maybe it's my ego. I don't know. But when I was a manager, I made good money and it was cool. You know what I'm saying? I managed people, made money, did things. But. But when he introduced me to this, being in front of this camera is different. The money I make is different.

[Rory]

But do you enjoy it because of the money you make, or do you enjoy it?

[Randy]

No, I enjoy. What happened to me was I stepped in and started to enjoy it. And then I was like, yo, yo, I enjoy this shit so much. Yo, we gotta figure out how I can make some money off of this shit. Cause I was like, yo, I love this shit. I was leaving. I was like, yo, it make me feel good.

[Rory]

But you a shit talker. You enjoy talking shit.

[Randy]

But I didn't. I didn't know, like, bro, I was talking to this nigga on the phone. I didn't know nothing about pot. I don't watch content now. That's why, really, when y' all was. I came over here, I said, is this the set? Cause I don't even be. I don't know. So I just enjoy being able to fucking just pick people's brains. It came from being on a relationship show.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Randy]

That helped me see that I was good. And then they would kind of marveled at the fact that I could come off the top of the dome. Like, they never show me cue cards. They never tell me topics. I really just. I just want to tell you straight up, this is how I feel. And they was calling me, like, natural. That was their joke. Like, this niggas is natural. And then when we got on Mav show, that was a whole other type of thing. I didn't know people wanted music knowledge. Oh, of course I didn't know that.

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Randy]

So when Ghost, when they was getting me drunk, and to be honest, Ghost would be the one that would be messing with me from behind the camera. So that's where all my biggest stuff would come from, would be me going back and forth with Ghosts. Really?

[Rory]

But you never. You never had a passion to be in front of the camera.

[Randy]

Never.

[Maul]

Okay, but I was. When we had mech on here, it was a couple months ago, at the end of the episode, we were talking about this. This very topic and why. I think all of us who never had a goal to be on camera, why we've been successful in podcasting, is because we were behind the scenes. And the only thing we ever wanted to have was a perspective.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Maul]

There's a lot of people that just want to get in front of this lens. They don't know why. They don't know what they want to say. They just want to be in front of the camera.

[Heineken]

What comes with it.

[Maul]

We have all been behind the scenes before this.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Our only goal was perspective. We need to have an opinion to tell the people that are on camera what to do. Now. Now we're on camera, and this is why we've succeeded. This is why we can do long form content. And the people that just want to be on camera can't. Like, they can't do that because they just want to be on the lens. They don't know why. They just want to be seen. That's all they want to do. We have perspective, and that's why this Actually works Perspective now, I think with people like Todd Alison on great writer has perspective, also wants to be a star. That's the perfect package. There's some artists that just want to be a star and have no perspective. That's why the writers. You see Leon Thomas popping off now was writer first.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Maul]

But wanted to be an artist. Victoria Monet, writer, artist, element. All these people that are now the stars were actually writers first.

[Randy]

That's.

[Maul]

That's why they popped when they was 32 years old. Because they weren't just trying to just be on camera. They want a perspective and then also be a star. I'm with you on the party. I think party wanted both. I think they. They pulled back when they realized the resource that he was.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Because if he pops off, he not writing no more. He not gonna write over here.

[Rory]

Why not?

[Maul]

That's a lot to do, man. If you Dream popped off.

[Randy]

Popped off.

[Heineken]

He had.

[Randy]

But Dream only put out two albums, and that's it. Which were his.

[Heineken]

Put out more than two albums.

[Randy]

I'm talking about.

[Heineken]

I'm saying Beyonce was at her height when Dream put out those albums.

[Rory]

Listen, when you start writing for Beyonce, you can hang everything else up. Like when B calling you consistently like, yo, I need something. I can hang everything else up. Nothing is like, bro, this is. I'll do this. And I saw something with Dream the other day, and he was saying how he likes doing when he's on the road. He rather do small shows. Like, he don't like doing big shows. He rather do 200, 250. Cap of people that really know his shit.

[Randy]

Wait, wait. Am I missing something? So Dream would still sell out in arena right now?

[Heineken]

I don't think so.

[Maul]

I don't know. I don't want to say. Listen, I don't know about an arena.

[Rory]

Listen, man, if the Dream announces show, I think he could sell a garden out today.

[Heineken]

You think he could do 20,000? You think the Dream could sell the Garden?

[Rory]

If he's saying that he. If he's saying that he's performing his catalog. Dreams catalog is incredible.

[Maul]

If you give enough time by himself. Yeah, but you know, Dreams bringing people out like, hell, yeah.

[Randy]

Wow. Wow.

[Rory]

I saw a boogie still out the garden, and I love a boogie. But I was surprised that he sold out the Garden.

[Randy]

I think that's a different thing. I think he's current right now. He's younger. He's from New York. I just. Yo, listen. I love yo, listen.

[Heineken]

The dream is that do it.

[Randy]

The dream. I just looked at the Dream As a songwriter, producer. Now, when I say Dream had the two albums, I'm thinking about his two key albums, the first one and the second one. That's how I look at. If he put out something else after that. I looked at him as songwriter, producer with Roc Nation, doing next level shit. Like you said, he's dressing different. I write for Beyonce. I'm chilling. I'm getting my residuals from Rock Nation. I'm good.

[Rory]

Yeah. I ain't got to do nothing.

[Randy]

That's how I look at him. So for me saying that, I'm like, damn, y' all think he could come off the. Off the bench and just say, yo, I'm coming to the Garden?

[Rory]

I just think that the Dream's first two, three albums was so successful and so many people still reveal those albums that if he said. Said he was doing a live show in New York City at the Garden, I'm thinking it's enough people in the. In. In the Tri State area that will.

[Heineken]

Go to that show.

[Randy]

I'm going to that. I'm going to that concert.

[Rory]

Of course you are.

[Randy]

I just don't think that it's 20.

[Rory]

000 people talking about the Tri State.

[Maul]

That's gonna land on people from Jersey.

[Rory]

People from Connecticut, like, they coming to see that show.

[Randy]

I want to put on a dream show now.

[Heineken]

I'm just saying Garden is crazy.

[Rory]

It is, but it's really not, though.

[Randy]

It is. It is, but it's really not wild, bro. By himself, empty. I was just.

[Heineken]

I was just with Freddy, and Freddy said the next time he wanted to go to the Garden, that's still, like, if he. Freddie Gibbs, if that's still iffy.

[Randy]

Like, I'm not Dream, though. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

No, really not selling out the Garden.

[Heineken]

But I'm not saying by itself, but with, like, him and a couple.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah. If it's some other people in that building. But I'm just saying, the Dream is just. To me, first of all, you don't know when he's gonna do a show. So his fan base, if they hear that he's doing a show there, might be inclined, like, yo, we gotta catch him now, because we don't know if he'll ever come back and do a show.

[Randy]

I'm curious. I need to go see a dream show right now. Yeah, you got me curious right now.

[Rory]

I saw what he did in SOBS when he was on the.

[Maul]

That's what I'm looking at now.

[Rory]

The last he had. I'm talking about his production. That he had in sobs like, like his stage production. I was like, sob's the Garden. I've never. Huh.

[Maul]

Sob's the Garden is crazy.

[Rory]

Jump. That's my choice, though.

[Maul]

No, I know, I know.

[Rory]

Like, he literally said he would rather. He would never do the Garden, but he literally said he would rather do 250 cap because he would rather have 250 people in one room that really love and know his shit. To make it more intimate, I need.

[Randy]

To know how much Dream's price is. I wanna do a dream show. If he on that type of town. If you talking about 200 people, I want to get a spot. The whole 500 people dream.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

No, he dropped that price and let me do the dream show.

[Rory]

I think. I think that that's. I think that that's something just based off his catalog. And then we don't see him live a lot. I think that if he was to announce a show in New York City at the Garden Tri State area, I think shows up and sells that out.

[Randy]

Wow. For sure.

[Maul]

I think he'd probably make more money at like a Terminal for five than he would.

[Rory]

Oh, money. Money is. That's a whole another conversation I'm just talking about. You say 20,000 people at a dream show. I think that the dream could be.

[Randy]

For me, Terminal 5 is where I.

[Heineken]

Would put Terminal 5.

[Randy]

Seems more of a better bet to me. Terminal 5.

[Maul]

And still he lying.

[Randy]

Terminal 5 would. Look, you could do three nights.

[Rory]

He would probably prefer that. Like, personally, he would prefer that. I don't think he wants to do. I don't think he wants to do the arena shitty. I don't think he wants that. He would prefer. Prefer Terminal 5, things like that.

[Randy]

Let me fund that. You heard me.

[Maul]

But I mean, to get back on track. You think Dream would rather pull back and just be the writer or the artist, right?

[Randy]

I think he wants to be the writer. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, right.

[Maul]

He did the writer, then he became full artist and went back to writer.

[Heineken]

It's easy.

[Randy]

He probably wanted the bag.

[Maul]

Yeah, I mean, I guess. But Neo too. Neo was a writer first, but Neo.

[Randy]

Always wanted to be an artist.

[Maul]

I think the Dreams did too.

[Randy]

He was in the group too sometimes.

[Maul]

Frank might have been the only one that I don't think.

[Randy]

I'm gonna keep it real. He said it right on the show, so I can say it. He was like. When he saw YG get that check, he was like, nah, I wanna be artist. He said he wrote the song, must have produced the song. YG was gracious enough. He Said to put them on the show with him so they could get paid. He said, YG, this out of his own words. YG got 9,000. Gave mustard 400. Gave him his 400. He said, oh, no, I'm gonna become an artist.

[Maul]

It was funny. I forgot what platform it was. Mustard was talking about when he went from a DJ to a producer. Yeah, they was in LA and he saw a check that. That Ty had got, and he said, nah, fuck this. I'm being a producer.

[Randy]

See what I'm trying to tell you? That's what happens. And I think that we discount money because I know you're a purist and creativity and all that, but some people just do it for the money. Like when I first got into it, when I was managing, I was. I was a party promoter. I DJed, but I stopped DJing. I couldn't afford to buy the records and all that, so I just stayed party promoting, hooked up with Clue, hooked up with S. I was doing concerts and all that type of stuff. Then I started managing. I started managing the DJs, and I caught a break, came home. Murder Inc. Blase blah, Cory Rooney and all of that. But after I got started swerving and made a nice amount of money and started doing things, I was like, these niggas is assigned. I gotta just make my money.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Randy]

I gotta take my emotion out of this shit. Because what the music was for me, it's not for them. I wish I was in the studio with Tupac to see if he really was loving the music, because these niggas is fake, right?

[Rory]

Well, a lot of people just chasing the check, man.

[Randy]

It was. I mean, bro, it was. Damn that 90% of people. I had to get in line. I had to start saying, yo, this is about the money. Because doing great music and great songs, being great beasts, everybody was like, yeah, that's cool. But you gotta be connected. I could get beats from anybody that's like this, right? I got 13 that do great beats and great songs and all the rest of this stuff. So what's gonna make me take your beat then? You gotta learn, like, you gotta help people make money. You gotta be an asset to these people. And I'm like, all right, well, once you do that, then they dickheads. They take long to pay you and do all the rest of this stuff. This shit ain't like it.

[Rory]

That's industry shit. That's the part that you don't know about until you get in it.

[Randy]

Then you got in it, and it just started making me say I was I gotta adjust.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah.

[Randy]

In order for me to make my mark, I gotta get some bread.

[Rory]

That's always the goal.

[Randy]

I gotta change my mindset. That was the goal to me. But the, like, how these people be so much on the art. See, I'm so against it now because that's how I was. And it blinds.

[Rory]

What do you mean you're against the art?

[Randy]

They think the art is everything. That's what I thought it was. I thought that the business, when that.

[Rory]

Changed, it used to be just all about.

[Maul]

And the money used to come with that.

[Randy]

That's. But that's what I'm saying. But even back then, I always says I was a manager. The business was always a factor for me. And people would downplay the business because it was so much. You'd be artistry. You could fire your manager. You could do whatever you want back then, you know, it was the wild, wild west. If you had talent, what it was the wild, wild west. You could be the dopest manager and they fire you for no freaking reason and you never get a shot again. Next time you see that nigga, he's driving a bus and you be like, you was at the Grammys with me two years ago.

[Rory]

Hey, yeah.

[Randy]

Am I lying? Yeah, you driving the bus.

[Rory]

Driving the bus.

[Randy]

Or you're a postal worker. You doing some wild.

[Rory]

Some. And. And not to knock driving, but they make great money.

[Heineken]

No, it's not just saying.

[Maul]

We had a plan that was going this way.

[Rory]

We had a plan. We was doing this. And now you are completely did a 360.

[Randy]

A 360. Now you got a dog at the crib. You move back to South Jamaica, Life is completely different. Yeah, it's quiet. It's quiet over there. You know what I'm saying?

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[Maul]

Have have you spoken to Maya since that clip went viral?

[Randy]

No. I saw her but didn't say nothing to her.

[Maul]

Why not?

[Rory]

What clip was this?

[Randy]

Because it's, it's a. Because when I was working with her, right, I. I was really young type of, right. And my biggest break was I just asked her not to do something like I have. I had a lot of female talent at the time. I can tell the story right here. I had a lot of female at the time, so I had Yummy at the time. I had big draws at the time. I had Rockwild at the time. I had the Soul Diggers, which is K Mac, who got Coi Leray and Honey Baby. I had him and his brother. I had the Smith brothers. I was managing, I was managing all these different people and I had like a video director, R. Malcolm Jones and all the other type of stuff, right? So with coming with my, when she, when we met, she already knew she wanted me to manage her. So it was like she was coming off the Benny Medina thing and I was trying to make sure I was gonna be able to do this job. So I flew out to California with her and was out there for 10 days with her, you know, figuring it out, going to the studios, seeing the music that she wants to do. Her introducing me to people. And I was like, yo, Maya, I would be like, maya Marie, Maya Marie. Yo, don't tell nobody what I'm doing with you yet, okay? For what I'm saying, I'll be like, yo, just don't tell nobody yet. You know what I'm saying? Let me break it to these girls. Cause I got yummy. We had just signed her deal. They just bounced her check. You know what I'm saying? We was at cash money. We signed with cash money. They bounced the check. They. Yesterday. They wasn't gonna fuck with her no more. We was in limbo. And I didn't want to be like, oh, well, guess what? I'm managing Maya now. You know what I'm saying? Guess what, y'. All. Everybody else is fucked up, but I'm on top of the mountain. Everybody. You know what I'm saying? So I didn't want to come with that, right? So we at the party. We at a party, right? Everybody's stressed out about the. About the cash money thing. Stress, stress, stress, right? And a dude, a songwriter comes in and says, yo, Randy, Yo, I spoke to Maya today, and she told me, you're the man. You're the man I need to go see now. You know, I wrote four records on the last project. I'm like, bro, bro, bro. What are you talking about? Yo, I just spoke to Maya and she said. I'm like, oh, my God. So now everybody's looking at me, right? And I'm like, oh, what is she talking about? That you're the man to go see and you're doing the records and all this other type of stuff. And when I called her, I spazzed out, okay? Like, yo, what the fuck is your problem? Blase, blase, blah. And all I remember about the conversation was your relationship, Randy. What? What? You don't have to talk to me like that. That's all I remember. That's all.

[Rory]

Well, she was right.

[Randy]

Definitely. Yeah. That's why I apologize to the thing, okay? She's like, ready, but you don't gotta talk to me like that. I was like, yeah, you saying that, but you gonna cost me my. You know how you young. Yeah. You just getting money and emotional, and you're emotional about everything. That's why I tell. I be like, you gotta take them emotion out. Trust me that I was him. Raise your hand. I was him.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

So when I had to sit down and think about it, I never wanted to mention I Don't even mention her like that. Like he might say something somebody else will mention. I don't mention her because she was so, like, delicate. And that was one of the things, remember I said about rumors and shit. Like people used to say a lot of shit about Maya and none of it was true, right? I found that out later. So when I'm. When I'm managing, I'm thinking I gotta.

[Heineken]

Put a lot of capping hall of.

[Randy]

Famers, a lot of niggas in the Capitol hall of Fame. I'm not gonna lie. Niggas was capping right to me about.

[Rory]

Her not even dating her and all that.

[Randy]

And nigga, none of it was true, right? And it was. It didn't come from her. It wasn't like she never came to defend her honor to me, ever. There was other niggas like, yo, bro, son, son was mad about boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I'll be like, damn, people really like be on that type of time lying on the female about what they did do.

[Rory]

That's 95% of the industry.

[Randy]

So if people were saying this and there rappers that I know and that around me like, yo, son, you boom, boom, boom. So I'm thinking in my mind, this is the dumb Rory that we just talked about. How dudes would be thinking, I'm doing her a favor.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Randy]

These, these, these is talking about her. These is talking about her. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. She should be thankful that I'm not thinking, I'm not agreeing with these, right? And that's why my attitude was like.

[Rory]

Yeah, so you never had that conversation with her.

[Randy]

Like, we, we tried. I saw again after we did that, we saw again and we tried to go to the studio. Cuz my. My relationship was a creative business relationship with her. Like, I'm good at picking records and knowing what should be written and who should write it and stuff like that. And we just tried. And she was like, I just don't feel comfortable because you screamed at me. Because she was like, I thought that you would. I thought that she thought that, that Randy, that was that tiger that was doing that, that was gonna be hers.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Randy]

That I could unleash that you're here to protect me.

[Rory]

Got you. Okay.

[Randy]

And I didn't understand that.

[Rory]

That makes sense.

[Randy]

Yo, you. I want you to be that way.

[Rory]

But not to me. For me, for me, me got you. That makes sense.

[Randy]

And that's why when I went on the camera, I got apologized because she was the Nicest person to me.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Randy]

I mean, the artist.

[Heineken]

But sometimes you got to know how to use a grenade properly. No, and listen, and listen.

[Randy]

She shouldn't have told her.

[Heineken]

She should have told. So when you hold a grenade for too long, you can't be mad that the weapon you use to blow up the world. Take your fingers off a little bit.

[Randy]

Shouldn't have told him. But I'm different. And you know that. With my people that I'm close to, she would think I could do whatever.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

Because I give everybody that leeway. That's why you fuck with me. Right? Cause you do whatever the fuck you want to do, and nobody's gonna stop you. Right.

[Rory]

So what's y' all relationship like now? You just have a cool.

[Randy]

Whenever we see each other. But for some reason, I'm gonna be honest. When I saw her at the shit, I was right after that clip went viral. And I ain't think. I didn't want her to think I did that and then saw her.

[Maul]

Okay, got you.

[Randy]

Okay. That's why she was right there. Literally.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

And she didn't see me. She was turning her head and people was calling her, and they was looking at me, and I was like, I'm not gonna say nothing to her. And I was like. Because if she saw that clip, which I know she did.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

Oh, Randy did that shit. Cause he was gonna see me on Sunday.

[Rory]

Oh, that's nasty. Think like that. You like. I don't even want this person to think that my mind is that calculated.

[Randy]

I was like, you know what? If it's meant to be, I see it. We. We cool. I saw it in la. We cool. But of course, we not gonna be like we was.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah.

[Randy]

You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

It's different, but it's still love that. Yeah, it still loved it. Yeah.

[Maul]

Where. Where y' all at with this. This dame cam and 50 situation? That. That every other day is greatest show on the Internet.

[Rory]

I hate it though, man.

[Heineken]

I mean, for. I'm with you for all the reasons. Yes. For business reasons, it's terrible. For friendship reasons. It's terrible for. For the culture of hip hop. They're like, what the is wrong with these dudes? These dudes is all late 40s just bickering about.

[Rory]

We can have disagreements. My thing is, we can have disagreements, but when you're of a certain caliber, caliber, demographic, time, age, status, I just think it's certain shit you just can't fall into. Like, I just think that we can't expect the younger Dudes to behave and act a certain way, Especially on the Internet and social media, when you got the elder statesman, the guys that's been in it since before all of this shit even existed. Existed. They're doing the same. Listen, you know what I'm saying?

[Maul]

I also don't even think the young kids are paying attention to that.

[Rory]

I think. I'm not saying they're paying attention to it, but we'll all sit here and be like, yo, these young dudes be wilding. They be on the Internet, social media, airing out, doing all. Yo, that's corny. Y' all don't need to do that. But then it's like, okay, dudes that's older than us is doing the same, but more you.

[Heineken]

You've been around Damon. Cam, I've spent time with Fifth. This is not in their character. Too bad.

[Randy]

Down.

[Heineken]

They didn't make all these millions of dollars. Lost it and make millions again by just backing down. So you got an animal in Dame dash, Cameron and 50 Cent. Remember, Cam and 50 were going at it for a little bit. Ain't no. This ain't stopping.

[Randy]

It ain't.

[Rory]

I think this is all part of. Of 50s plan.

[Maul]

Oh, no. Queen.

[Rory]

He's had.

[Maul]

He's had a hand. He's had a hand.

[Rory]

He broke up Dipset. He's had a hand in that 100%. Now he's having a hand in breaking. Breaking up Cam and Dame's relationship.

[Randy]

I can't believe I'm not gonna say nothing about them because everybody just spit venom. And I've been able to stay out of harm's way as much as I talk.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

I cannot believe that Cam and Dame are arguing. I can't believe it.

[Rory]

No, I can believe they're arguing. I can't believe.

[Randy]

This is what I. This is what I mean. Anybody can argue because we've known each other, we're men now, and all that. I'm talking about, like, I can't believe it.

[Heineken]

The bickering back and forth at that level.

[Randy]

I can't believe it. In the fake lawsuit. And I'm not doing the lawsuit. I'm like, I can't believe that this is going on. Not from the story, because I don't. Like, I'm not bringing up nobody's parents. But not from the story about how they said that Cam got with Rockefeller. After all of that, if that story is true, how does this ever come to. How does this ever even happen?

[Rory]

But this is. But this is a conversation like, you know, you know, certain people that you have relationships with, and you have those moments where they say or they do some shit, and it always sends a light bulb in your head. And you might. It don't mean nothing in the moment. But then if something happens between y' all 12 years from now, you like, I always saw this in the game.

[Randy]

And let me say I'm sorry.

[Heineken]

50 will never, never forget when Dame went on MTV and said, that million dollars ain't nothing you broke. When he got.

[Rory]

No, no, no, don't get it twisted.

[Maul]

Dame was right.

[Rory]

Have been waiting to have a shot to go at Dame and laugh at.

[Heineken]

No, no, no, no.

[Rory]

People been waiting for this moment.

[Heineken]

Fifth remembers all of it.

[Rory]

Yeah, as he should, dog.

[Heineken]

He has.

[Rory]

Let me tell you something. If somebody stands over you and puts nine bullets in you, you're never going to forget anything anybody says about you.

[Heineken]

So. So when Dame did that video, every time he's waiting and he's relentless. I still tell the story about what he did with Jimmy Henchman when he had. The lawyers right there, had a big meeting, and then the news came up that Henchman is in jail. He stopped all the white people, walked over to me, propped the phone up and went on live and laughed at Jimmy Henchman while conducting a $20 million deal. He loves this street. He's enjoying himself. He can't wait.

[Rory]

He's waiting for his. His moment to laugh and do that talk.

[Heineken]

No. Damn, Damon. These are all legendary talkers.

[Randy]

I mean, who wouldn't wait? But you'll be waiting. But even. Oh, it's only. It's only a couple of people, and y' all know who you are. I don't have a long list. Like. But all this shit talking, even if Dame said that about Fifth, that's laughable stuff to me.

[Rory]

Some of it is just. It started off, it felt like it was just jokes at first and shit talking, but then it made a complete.

[Randy]

Left turn because anytime black people start shit talking too much, if you niggas start cracking too many jokes.

[Rory]

But it's like what I said. It's like what I said. You say something. Because even Cam spoke. When Dane brought up Cam getting punched in his face. Cam said, you've been waiting to get that off. And I know Cam really felt that because he probably been around before and niggas kind of like, is, like, alluding.

[Randy]

To it about us as our black. Like, I don't even understand why that would even be a factor. That if he did want to say it, if it happened to Cam, if you my man, whether it's on some street shit. And ma was right to punch you in your face. Even if you my man, I'm still going for feel remorse for that situation. Cuz you really my man.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it.

[Randy]

So that's why I'm like. When all of these things come up, I'm like, damn. Nobody was really each other, man, ever.

[Heineken]

It was just waiting.

[Randy]

Never.

[Rory]

Now, see, I don't.

[Maul]

So I said fifth never, cuz fifth was never there. Now he just laughing, breaking up.

[Randy]

Man was connected through money, opportunity, or desperation.

[Rory]

But Cam and Dame's relationship was definitely not just. Just about money.

[Randy]

Maybe one side of it. It can't be both.

[Rory]

Now that's a different conversation. That's a different conversation because you could be. You could be moving genuine with people.

[Randy]

And they moving strategic with you because it has to be a chink in that armor for this to occur. And that's all that I'm saying. Because if we both moving like this more, you know, that's not going to happen. Of course somebody is not moving a certain.

[Rory]

But you had what you. You've had conversations with friends and family and somebody say something. Even if y' all talking and somebody throws something out there, you like, damn. Like, that was a little like you had your thing. You've been waiting to bust that shot. You understand? Like, you know, you'd be like, I'm one of those.

[Heineken]

I'll be waiting to bust that.

[Rory]

And I'm talking about. This happens with family, with friends and business.

[Heineken]

I got a cousin I'm waiting for. He's gonna catch it.

[Rory]

He's catching a. I'm saying, like, you holding that, you holding that.

[Heineken]

No, no. But me, I'm a reactionary. So if you do something, I'll be like, all right, let it go. But if you start abusing it now, an example has to be made.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Heineken]

Because, you know, sometimes.

[Rory]

But does that mean y' all was ever really cool? Because I don't really hold tabs with my.

[Maul]

There's just no suppressing the truth.

[Randy]

That's how I feel. No, it's my. What's your birthday? What's your birthday?

[Rory]

Mall Friday.

[Randy]

Oh, that's clean.

[Heineken]

Gangster Libra.

[Randy]

Yeah. Okay. That's what I said. I must get a room because we think a lot. Like, I'm not holding tabs neither.

[Rory]

No, if you my man, out on you. But at the same time, that's come back to hurt me.

[Heineken]

Oh.

[Rory]

Not holding tabs because they was holding tabs on me.

[Randy]

But I bet, I bet. But I bet it also benefited you too?

[Rory]

Oh, absolutely.

[Randy]

There you go.

[Heineken]

You removed the to.

[Randy]

So yeah, nothing's perfect. Because me, cuz me saying I'm a very giving person, I. I give, give, give, give, give. Right. I don't really get a lot of right. But the times that I get, yeah, it be on time and it be.

[Rory]

Some crazy, crazy on time every time.

[Randy]

It be some crazy shit. So I can't say I don't get. It's just that it might not be as much as I give, but because I've been that way, that's how I've met him. That's how I've stayed in clues. Like clues. One of the few people that he'll be like, yo, Randy always would give me whether he had money or not. Make sure he had a birthday gift, taking him to dinner. So my man appreciation, whether I'm getting it or not. Same way with him, same way with Ghost. That's just me. But it does come back to me in different ways. I've been blessed, you know what I'm saying? But it does hurt your heart sometimes?

[Rory]

Oh, absolutely.

[Randy]

It gets you stabbed in the back like an Ms. Sometimes. And then it makes you feel so, so different. Because when I. When I bring you into my small circle, I'm giving you a lot of attention and love and affection and money and time. You know what I'm saying? So when you damage that, you don't value me.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

You've been disrespecting me the whole fucking time.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Randy]

And that's what the part, that's the part that makes me mad over hurt my heart and.

[Rory]

But that's how I feel about this Cam and Dame shit. I feel like. It's like it hurts to see it because I know that there was real genuine love there. I know that there was real friendship there. And to see it now play out the way it's playing out. And let's just be honest, I feel like it's playing out because people feel Dame is vulnerable. They feel like he's in a position that, you know, he was the man at one point. Now he's not. Now I'm the man. It's a lot of that going on. Like, I don't need you no more. It's a lot of that energy that I don't like because it's like, don't do that. Cause it's always gonna be ups and downs. Just because you up right now your man, or you think he's down, that don't mean start talking crazy to him, shit on him and all of this other thing. Now, granted, not saying that Cam is not right for defending himself and speaking up and talking, because I think he was pushed to a position where he felt like, all right, bro. Like, I got it. I'm a man at the end of the day. Yeah, I'm a man at the end of the day. Like, fuck all of this. Like, dog, you not, like, you talking crazy. Like, so I get that. But when it starts getting too personal, when you start talking about, yo, your son is broke, he was living with this dude.

[Randy]

See, I don't be this, that, and the third, and all of that.

[Rory]

But that's what I'm saying. I don't like that because, again, as black. Yeah, my wigger, he understand. We understand. We understand that when you cross a.

[Heineken]

Certain line, point of no return.

[Rory]

Now things are in danger of going a whole nother route.

[Randy]

We start bringing the kids involved.

[Rory]

Now we. Now we flirting with things going a whole different route.

[Randy]

I might start thinking.

[Rory]

And we've seen this before. We've seen that story. That's part of our DNA growing up. Somebody say something with. Now it's beef. They shooting over here. He got cut this that. Like, we seen it start from, like, yo, where that's just. Yo, he just said something one day, and they been beefing for 15 years behind that. Like, what? So now you talking about doing that on social media, where now the world is watching this shit.

[Randy]

But didn't Dame come out and say he trying to squash the beef?

[Rory]

Yeah, but you don't have leverage to squash the beef.

[Maul]

It's past that.

[Rory]

That's because in order to squash a beef, it takes two. Like, I got to be willing to squash it, too. Now, you said something about my family or something about something that I didn't want, you know, didn't think you would ever say publicly. Now I'm like, nah, that I don't want that apology.

[Randy]

I heard about the punch in the face. Now, I don't be knowing, but we all know.

[Rory]

It's a thing that we all know. But it's like every get punching, it happens. But now when you use that, when you try to weaponize that, when we talking now, I'm looking at you like. Like you've been waiting to get that off, man.

[Heineken]

Privately, we know this, man. These dudes behind the scenes are watching the phone, and they're waiting for a mishap. They can play in front of the camera all day. I don't be caring. Fifth is just waiting for Dame's teeth to fall out Again.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heineken]

You know, Cam. Dame is waiting for Cam to say, yo, I'm broke right now. I lost my revolt deal not to wish any of that. These dudes.

[Randy]

I don't.

[Rory]

That's nasty, though.

[Heineken]

No, no.

[Rory]

When you sitting around waiting for that, that's nasty.

[Maul]

That's not waiting.

[Heineken]

No, no, no.

[Randy]

He's waiting.

[Rory]

He's not waiting.

[Maul]

He can't do.

[Heineken]

That.

[Maul]

He's not waiting, but he can't wait. The moment Ross's name hit the headline. He's not waiting, but he can't wait.

[Heineken]

The only reason 5th won't upload a video is if he gets the shit distracted. There was a person he was going to upload a video about. He was going to wreck their career. And the only reason he didn't upload it because Mayno came up then and he forgot to press send. And I said, yo, you think Fifth gonna upload that? They said he got a hundred videos. About a hundred he never uploaded. He just. He just be forgetting. If he come back to it, he'll press upload.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Heineken]

He has a hundred videos. I don't even want to say the names.

[Randy]

I don't. I'm glad. I don't know what nobody got. I want to be in the middle. I got my own.

[Rory]

Yeah, whatever y' all doing, Salute. I'm happy for you.

[Randy]

I just be like. I told him. I said, I don't even. I. I grew up with this, okay? I said, I don't even want to mention 50 cent name on Bag Fuel ever. Yeah, I feel you. Okay? I done told niggas all types of stories. And when I was a kid at 50. Is this true? Is this true? Yeah, it's true. But I don't even want that shit. Cause he might just wake up one day and say, why is Randy even saying this?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah.

[Maul]

So I'm gonna stay out that nigga.

[Randy]

Way, stay out that way.

[Heineken]

And he don't stop.

[Randy]

You gotta follow Cameron. I don't talk about Cameron. They ask me questions about Jim Jones. I don't know about Jim Jones and Kim Ron. Leave me out the middle of this. Who else they beefing with? Dame Dash? I say a little bit of shit. I said, I think he. I said on Bag Fuel, I said, I think he's getting slandered. And people say, why you getting slandered? Said. I say, but Jay Z doesn't have to slander him. Jay Z's just everybody's favorite. You know what I'm saying? He has the leverage so Jesus, just sit back and just watch everybody just do what he's doing. He doesn't even have to want y' all to do it. But your fans, it's like when you got a bunch of gang members and somebody wants to go make a. You know, they want to get close to you, so they want to go make a point. He got a. A billion gang members. That's like, oh, if his thing dash is trash, it's this on it. So it's like, what. What are you gonna get from that?

[Rory]

Yo?

[Randy]

Yeah, you out here defending yourself all day. It's like, Drake, I. I would have said, yo, Drake, I'm don't even engage in this no more. Like, yo, just go do what you decided to do later. You just put songs out, people still like your records. A battle doesn't mean nothing. I said. I said, if he just go do the songs. And I. I said on the show, I said, the industry isn't as entertaining. So since the takedown of Drake, Think about that.

[Heineken]

It's not boring, it's not entertaining.

[Randy]

That's all that I'm saying. When he was rolling around, Chris Brown's concert had all the bitches. I'm not gonna lie. Right? But when Drake was in town, it was like a hysteria. It was a thing going on in New York. It was five days and parties here and fashion here and kickstarts over here. That's how it was going. I don't know what it is about him and the people he brings or who rocks with him, him, but he had a different type of excitement to the game.

[Heineken]

And since he been chilling, shit been boring. Hip hop's been boring.

[Randy]

And now they gonna kill you for that.

[Heineken]

They can, but it's the truth.

[Randy]

We said it too, but it's.

[Heineken]

It's.

[Randy]

It has been. Yeah. It's just the truth.

[Rory]

Why do you say it's been boring?

[Randy]

Nobody's nobody who's bringing the excitement. The music just isn't in a great record. What made our exciting was the personality, the feeling that you got when they was in public. When you saw dudes coaching at the Rucker, Drake was one of the few people he's outside. Yeah.

[Maul]

One of the most successful superstars of all time.

[Heineken]

With a plastic bin, he's outside Bundles of money. He didn't even break the seal. He just threw the bundles.

[Randy]

I rock with Kendrick. I do. I think he's a talent rapper with an artist. He's not outside. Nobody's outside. Like, nobody.

[Maul]

But you guys are from an outside era.

[Randy]

All Right.

[Maul]

These. These kids are inside.

[Heineken]

Cardi B's rollout has been about.

[Randy]

And they're looking at it like it's outside.

[Heineken]

And that's standard. Regular.

[Rory]

She's doing the standard.

[Maul]

I mean, the same thing with the clips. I loved their rollout, but it was a very. Like, they just did what Eddie would have done before.

[Heineken]

And the kids thought it was magical.

[Randy]

Because they watched it from their basement a little bit.

[Maul]

They weren't outside. They watched it. Artist be outside.

[Randy]

The clips was outside. They. They was accessible. They did shit downtown and normally had outside concerts and they were popping up over here. It gave you the air of accessibility. Just because they decided to come outside and make their face scene. If you can reach out and touch somebody. If Nicki Minaj was outside, and I'm not talking about being in the clubs, I'm just talking about if we saw her somewhere beside an award show. That's something like. Like that. Hysteria would be different if she stood.

[Maul]

Up on top of a truck in soho. Oh, yeah. It would shut the whole city down.

[Randy]

But you know what it would do? It would bring excitement to hip hop.

[Maul]

I agree.

[Randy]

And this is what we don't have people doing. Remember when Jay Z spent the whole summer driving around New York in the Wrangler? Yep. Everybody talked about that shit. Yeah. Everybody went to Bob Wranglers. It created something. Oh, HOV is in the city. Nobody's doing that within their cities.

[Rory]

So. So you don't feel like hip hop has been exciting since Drake?

[Randy]

Since the battle.

[Heineken]

Once the battle died down, it's been boring.

[Rory]

I think we've had moments.

[Heineken]

We've had good music, such as I said, good music.

[Maul]

Yeah. It's been good albums.

[Randy]

I agree there's been some good music, but it's not.

[Heineken]

It's not.

[Randy]

Oh, you know, come on, bro.

[Maul]

No, but I think the clips.

[Rory]

Exciting. I can't say nothing like they going to kill me. No matter what you think. I know exactly what you're saying.

[Randy]

Battle.

[Maul]

The clips rollout was exciting.

[Randy]

Clips roll out.

[Maul]

To me, I like the. I think, yeah, that brought a lot. That was probably the most exciting moment this year as far as hip hop went.

[Rory]

I was.

[Randy]

And I'm not saying nothing if that's the most exciting moment, like, we got it.

[Maul]

It's back to. Back to square one of just a. A standard rollout.

[Heineken]

It's a standard rollout.

[Randy]

That's it.

[Maul]

But it worked. And look what the point of a rollout is to work.

[Heineken]

Think about it. They had to do it.

[Randy]

All of that. I like Cardi B on the train. Better than that. Yeah. I like Cardi B fake selling the CDs. Like, I'm enjoying that. Yeah. You know what I'm enjoying for hip hop? I'm off tilt. The Commodore skits about the hip hop story. Yeah, I'm enjoying that. Yeah, that's bringing some different flavor to hip hop. I'm looking forward when he, you know what you said?

[Heineken]

Hip hop lacks creativity.

[Randy]

Now. Yes. When he puts up the picture saying comments, I'm telling my man, stop playing with me. Drop that. Yeah, see this? That's that. That's excitement. Who else is doing something like that? Yeah, who's the next?

[Rory]

Who's the next? Because me and Rory talk about it a lot, like, who's the next rap superstar? Like, do we see one on the. On the. On the. You know, like, coming down the.

[Heineken]

I. I got one.

[Randy]

Okay, I'm. Let him speak. And I'm. And I'm going.

[Heineken]

Because of the climate that we're in and how he understands the younger audience and older people gravitate to him. Said he will.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Randy]

He could be. It could be. He could be. I'm gonna say I don't know him yet. Whoever is gonna be the next big executive is gonna have the biggest rap. Whoever that person is, whether he's a. A street executive that has money, whether somebody that they gonna give a job, it's just gonna be that person that they believe in. Like n believed in Nelly and Nelly came out of nowhere. Yeah. Somebody who knows how to work the system, who can take it from the studio to the dj, who understands the marketing. Whoever that person is, because they got it. Kendrick and them was doing it over there with SZA and all the rest.

[Heineken]

Of the Top Dog.

[Randy]

Top Dog was putting out albums. They got it. Whoever that next person is that gets it can make anybody big bro.

[Maul]

I was hoping after QC that it would catch on again because there was a break between Murder Inc. Rockefeller, Rough Riders, et cetera. And then when Coach K and P came, it was like, oh, shit, all right. This still exists. Because to me, they should be in the mix with cash money, anything. QC is that. To me, after that, though, it's been quiet on the executive.

[Heineken]

They don't wanna spend money.

[Randy]

P had the money. And you gotta remember Coach K had the know how from gz.

[Maul]

Yeah, gzn.

[Randy]

So he was in the Def Jam.

[Maul]

System, but Irv had to know how everything in his. His own thing.

[Heineken]

We went out to dinner with a big exec and he said, they are afraid to invest in artists, they're holding tight to the money. Right. And what I learned is all these Execs now are 50 and above. And if they take a chance on the wrong artists and get fired out forever. They driving the bus.

[Randy]

They out forever. Now to their standard. To their standard.

[Heineken]

Yeah, now but understand if they were 25, they would take the risk because all these executives was taking the risk at 25 that they're not going to take at 50 because they're making all this. They get to swipe the card. How many rappers budgets have been spent on y' all just to go out to dinner to convince you to play a music.

[Randy]

Yes, we know the deal.

[Heineken]

We know the deal. We saw a rapper, he has about 5 million followers and his total budget was $3,000.

[Randy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heineken]

And half of that was spent.

[Randy]

They were just trying to get rid of him.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

You know how they do? They knock your budget down and say.

[Maul]

Well, it's a write off.

[Randy]

Yeah, that's it. Let's see if you could do something with the rest of his little. We gonna reforecast.

[Heineken]

So all these older ex, they're not.

[Maul]

Taking the risk or they're putting their son in charge of labels that aren't.

[Heineken]

Come on.

[Maul]

Wait, I'm sorry. Can we not call Spade? I'm not taking away. I'm not. I'm not taking away what Elliot Grange did with 69. That was trippy Red. What's the name of their. Their company even I think Ice Spice.

[Rory]

Was under this too at one point as well.

[Heineken]

Yes.

[Maul]

I'm not taking away from somebody that was the son of Lucian Grange. But he still, he still he, he put his little work in. That's what's happening. They're giving him the position Atlantic, which now we have the Granges.

[Rory]

And wouldn't you do that with your daughter?

[Maul]

Say it again.

[Heineken]

Wouldn't you do that with your daughter?

[Maul]

Oh no. I think nepotism is a good thing.

[Heineken]

Oh, me too.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I love it. I support nepotism.

[Heineken]

Me too.

[Rory]

Sure.

[Maul]

And I'm not.

[Heineken]

He does it though.

[Rory]

You don't support nepotism.

[Randy]

You got to be good.

[Maul]

Yeah. And I'm saying Elliot did his job.

[Randy]

But you got to be.

[Maul]

But I'm saying the power play of instead of, of empowering someone like Coach kmp now instead I'm going to take my son. That was under the universal which I'm. I own. I'm Sir Lucian Gr. How many sirs are there? He knighted by the queen.

[Heineken]

Sean Connery was the last one.

[Maul]

And if I'M battling between Sony and Warner and I have Universal now. My son is at the head of the biggest.

[Heineken]

They own 66% of it.

[Maul]

That's what's going on. They're not going to give somebody like Coach K and P whatever the new. The new version of that is going to be. No, I'm just going to move my family around the. The three majors.

[Randy]

The new version is going to be, like I said, it's going to be off the street or it's going to be from one of those labels that's not affiliated with them that needs it. They only come get the black shit when they need it.

[Heineken]

Yeah. When they need that street energy, they.

[Randy]

Know niggas is gonna buy it, they gonna support it, they're gonna rally behind it and they know it. They just gonna wait and wait and wait. Like they trying to bring the singers back right now. That's what they trying to do. They try to take this shit all the way around. But whoever has that, who understands the discretionary fund, who has the motherfucking hedge fund, dude, and understands the game.

[Heineken]

And I think record labels going to start really signing and publicly podcasters and.

[Randy]

Streamers supposed to do that.

[Heineken]

They're not saying it publicly.

[Randy]

They been. Was supposed to start doing it publicly.

[Heineken]

But after we've seen the money that spot podcasters are making on Spotify, which is way more than rappers. I. It's going to take about another five years publicly.

[Maul]

Sony publicly has a podcast division now.

[Heineken]

People don't really know that they need a rollout of saying we signed this to Warner Records.

[Maul]

We signed. It's because a lot of. A lot of podcasters turn down those. Those deals from majors. Yeah, I'm sure we're not the only ones that have been approached by that. I'm not saying a secret or like some reveal. Now everybody's been approached by those. Everyone just turns it down because it's just not really worth it.

[Randy]

Like, no worry.

[Maul]

Now, Ma, I know you're looking for a phone plan right now and I'm going to bet you know you have $25 in your pocket.

[Rory]

You got a little cash on me.

[Maul]

Just a little bit. But I mean, if you want a phone plan and only want to pay $25 a month for unlimited talk text data, I feel like you should go with Boost.

[Rory]

I knew you was going to say that. I had a feeling.

[Maul]

I don't think you thought that.

[Rory]

No, I knew you were going to.

[Maul]

Say because you don't know they have no price hikes.

[Randy]

I knew it.

[Rory]

I knew I was about to say.

[Maul]

That you don't know what forever is.

[Rory]

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[Maul]

Nothing against them. It's just like, what?

[Rory]

We're not a priority. What's your relationship with Math like?

[Randy]

We don't have a relationship.

[Rory]

No, Because I saw y' all ran into him. I think it was Yee.

[Heineken]

We ran into him, however, but it seemed like.

[Rory]

It seemed like. It seemed like it wasn't. No negative. It seemed like it was like, you.

[Randy]

Know, it was him and Heineken.

[Heineken]

The friends go back like 08.

[Rory]

But why you did that? See, see, I know what that. I know what that move is. Why you just cut it off was like, nah, that's his man. Because that's basically what you said.

[Heineken]

That's the truth.

[Rory]

So you. So you don't have a relationship with him?

[Randy]

Nah. Before I got on the show, I tell everybody I only knew Math in nine months.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Maul]

Okay.

[Rory]

All right, gotcha.

[Randy]

And then. And then we was off the show.

[Rory]

Space. What's your relationship relationship like with him?

[Heineken]

He just spoke to him the other day.

[Randy]

And the other day it was been.

[Heineken]

A month or so since I spoke.

[Randy]

To him, but I thought it was all right. But then people tell me otherwise when I speak to them, they'd be like, well, how's your relationship, man? Like, I ain't got no problem with math. I don't. So. Oh, well, I heard he still got a problem. I'm like, I don't know what y' all hearing, bro.

[Heineken]

Yeah, we haven't been on the show for three years.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

I'm pretty black, bro. I'm just cool.

[Heineken]

And it don't bend benefit. The conflict is good for YouTube, but business wise, it don't make sense.

[Randy]

Worked on our page. Yeah, that's it.

[Heineken]

It's great for YouTube. Oh, good money.

[Randy]

I'm not doing no work. I'm not doing no work with. I'm not looking backwards. I feel you. I'm not doing no work with anybody.

[Heineken]

That I was once doing work with.

[Randy]

That didn't value my work. He's not the only one. There's other people that I work with that didn't value me or value my work.

[Heineken]

I'm just looking forward to seeing him in the shop with him. Mecca and Gab murder again.

[Maul]

Yeah. Is that going to happen again?

[Heineken]

That ain't up to me.

[Maul]

No, I know that, but he talking.

[Randy]

He. Look, I don't know what looking forward to, what bad f doing the they doing.

[Heineken]

I like seeing everybody win and everybody consolidate.

[Rory]

I don't see. I really don't be knowing. No. Like, Rory. Y' all don't understand how much Rory has to put me on to what's happening.

[Randy]

That's my roaring.

[Rory]

I don't pay attention. These people is doing out here. Rory be texting me in the middle of night. Yo, you saw this? Nah, but thanks. Like, I don't be knowing what these dudes.

[Randy]

He DMS me. Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Heineken]

It don't like all that back and forth, man. I. I just.

[Maul]

It's kind of a back and forth. It's just more so understanding what's going on in our.

[Heineken]

No, what I'm saying is, from a business standpoint, it hurts us in totality in the space as creators. Just like how you said the Dame Cam and 50 thing. That's the same with this. It's entertaining, but business wise people look at that optically, it can wreck your negotiating power. People might be like, I don't like the way these guys are moving. So it only works for us who are doing this form of content to really thrive. So if somebody's like, yo, this show ain't doing good right now, that don't help us.

[Randy]

Right?

[Heineken]

Because they're gonna be like, oh, they're the same type of show. Let's give them all the same baseline money.

[Rory]

That's how I look.

[Heineken]

Look at.

[Maul]

I'm like, look how easy shows could just drop in. Yeah, you make a great point.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Randy]

Why you think so many shows are tailing off like they ain't so many. There was a podcast boom once upon a time, and now it's. It's. It's not the same no more.

[Maul]

It's no different than the mixtape boom. The we're all starting. Our T shirt brand boom is done.

[Randy]

Is it?

[Heineken]

It's done.

[Rory]

Every day I turn around a got a pot.

[Randy]

Nah, they be coming and going. How would D.J. throw something out? He's gonna try to do it. There's nobody potting, I think, because the camp, it costs money now. You know what I'm saying? Before, this is. It was just fun and games, but now they realize you gotta have real cameras. You gotta have. If you don't have a space ghost, you gotta have the people that you got. You got your own space ghost. It's hard to find these niggas.

[Maul]

That's a fact.

[Randy]

Yeah, they are the most difficult motherfuckers. I put up so much shit with Space Ghost. This nigga goes on the road for 38 days, for three days, and I'll be pissed, but I'll be like, what am I going to do? Yeah, nobody can do the job. So what it is, let's go to the studio. Heineken, we going to pay for this and we going to get them to send the to space goes. Because I can't even have. I can't. I don't want Nobody touching my 100% right.

[Rory]

That is the only person that is allowed touch anything that I'm on the camera with.

[Randy]

Touch my. Yo, when they film this, yo, when we go play that like Heineken. What? Because I don't know. What is this? Why are they doing that?

[Heineken]

No, no. So let me be careful with my words. Please don't say he's been spoiled. So everything he's been since he's been in the podcast space, he's, you know, he's jumped the broom.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Heineken]

So when he gets back to what it really is, he's like, why are they doing. I'm like, yo, chill, bro.

[Randy]

I'll be like, what the. I'll be saying, yo, he says it out loud. I'm like, yo, why the is it taking so long, bro? Yeah, yo, bro, you know, I got this much time to be here, bro. Like, what the is they problem? Yeah. I'm like, yo, but he'd be like, space, yo, that you not don't this that you have.

[Rory]

When you have your team and y'.

[Heineken]

All know how to work, you got your man right here. Yeah, I know. He's. He's not a normal.

[Rory]

No.

[Heineken]

So Esso's used to that. That's his baseline face.

[Randy]

Can go home right now and cut my up and post my up tonight.

[Rory]

Yeah, same.

[Randy]

So when be telling me you need how long to send me a clip no, you're fired.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

You're never coming back ever again. Ghost be trying to help me have your give him another chance so he can be like, no. You see how my look fuzzy? You see how my is off? Hell, no.

[Maul]

But also.

[Rory]

But.

[Maul]

But people like space and impeach. They understand the podcast genre and the fans, so they're going to cut it up. That it's going to be effective. Whereas somebody that could just control this camera and know how to edit, that doesn't. That doesn't matter. They know our fans, and they know what's going to work and how it should be cut up, what it should look like.

[Heineken]

That's the first thing I said to you at the pool party. I said, y thumbnail games is out of here.

[Maul]

God. Right there.

[Heineken]

And I be mad in a good way. I'm like, I can't bite the message. I say, game is crazy, bro. This is top tier.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Heineken]

And that's part of, you know, being that, too.

[Randy]

I like. I like the attention to detail that I have. Y' all got a different type. I wish we was like that. We don't have that attention to detail. When we get that extra attention to detail, we. We gonna go up.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean, we. We. We supported y' all on here. We said that when the complex list came out, we. We definitely thought that y' all should have been on a complex.

[Heineken]

I weaponized that clip.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Heineken]

I got thoughts off of that. I sent it to other label heads. I said, he's like, why you doing that? They gonna give us more money.

[Maul]

He said, better send it out.

[Rory]

No, no, but, but, but me and Rory talk about it a lot. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, even though we don't, we respect the complex list because, you know, they're reputable platform, and they took time to put that together. But, you know, we definitely felt like they got it wrong. While y' all not being on the list, it was some guys on there that was questionable. Yeah.

[Maul]

No way.

[Rory]

But Bag Fuel. Yeah. Y' all definitely deserve to be on that complex.

[Randy]

But like I tell niggas, when you. When we just watching all this, we saw a show that we helped build go to bet, and everybody act like it wasn't off our work.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Randy]

It don't get no worse than that. They little funky list. I know why they left me off they funky list. I say all they list is trash. Okay, so if a dude is saying all your lists is trash, why would you list them on the list?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

[Randy]

So about. I'm talking, telling everybody, like, I'm not really upset as long as my peers and say, yo, these supposed to be on the list? Yeah. Then that's. That's good enough for me. Because they not paying us. They not the ones that. That set us right. That got us coming up here. And all of us. It's really the people that watch and support us and the work that y' all putting in.

[Heineken]

A homeless ran down on us. A homeless dressed in, like, the KKK outfit, right?

[Randy]

No, no, it was.

[Rory]

It was York.

[Heineken]

No, the Israelite out.

[Randy]

The Israelite.

[Maul]

Dude, that's totally different.

[Rory]

That's a way different thing.

[Heineken]

White with a little bit of blue.

[Randy]

Yeah, blue in it.

[Heineken]

He put a little Crip colors to it. And he was like, yo, can. Can. Can I get a dollar? And, you know, nobody carry cash, right? And he like, all them likes I give you. And all them comments.

[Randy]

All them likes and comments, I give you a bad feud.

[Heineken]

I know y' all rich. He's like, mano, give me $3. Give me two.

[Randy]

He's a. He's a young nigga. Supposed to be Paulus. Yeah.

[Rory]

Where was that? Harlem. What's that?

[Randy]

Sixth Avenue.

[Heineken]

Right by the Trump Tower. Right by the Trump Tower.

[Randy]

Oh, my God. Yes, we on 6th Avenue. The dude stopped us, and then another dude stopped us. Like, y' all just got home today from 26 years, and everybody's watching you in the jail in Beaumont, Texas. He was like, where? He's like, every jail I go to, I done been to every jail, and niggas is watching y' all niggas in every jail. I'm like, word.

[Maul]

Is that good or bad?

[Randy]

So we got more watching us, too. Because that means if you watching in jail, I'm only getting the cop that got your car. Oh, oh, the cop. I don't even want to say.

[Heineken]

Oh, no, no, listen.

[Randy]

I don't know if I can say, listen, listen, listen.

[Heineken]

I could tell the story, right? So they yanked this nigga's car, right?

[Randy]

Broken my car and everything.

[Heineken]

Yeah, the Post Police did it. The police took his car.

[Randy]

Get my car.

[Heineken]

So it's set up for him to go to jail and get arrested.

[Randy]

Yeah, I was supposed to go to jail.

[Heineken]

So we go down there to go get the car. He's like, yo, h. This is the key to the safe.

[Randy]

Yeah, I'm taking my Rolex.

[Heineken]

I'm taking my Rolex. I said, all right, cool. I'mma bail you out. This chick looks and says, my boyfriend.

[Randy]

No, no, you skipped it. She said, I'm trying to verify your identity.

[Heineken]

Cause they about to put the cuffs.

[Randy]

On because the nigga said, when she does that, they going to. The cops is going to come out back and they going to arrest you. So I said, I'm getting chills tomorrow. Look at this. I said for my D the whole time I'm like, I don't want to go back to jail again. Like, oh my God. Hepatitis C is all on the wall. It smells like in there. I'm just dreading this, right? So she says, I'm trying to verify your identity. So I'm like, I'm. I'm. I'm Randall Parker. She says, are you from Bag Fuel, cuz? My boyfriend watches you all the time. Is that you? Yeah, yeah, that's me. She like, hold on, let me get my. My boyfriend on FaceTime, do that. Get him on FaceTime, do that. He said, guess who I got here. I got here. I said, my co host is right back there. She said, hey, I'll follow him back and everything. We in the.

[Rory]

Just let us get this car.

[Randy]

She said. She said, do you have $377 right now? I said, yes, I do. She said, okay, I'll be right back.

[Rory]

And got you the car.

[Heineken]

And she said, we the only people that had our paperwork, right?

[Randy]

I got my registration there. I just so happened to get this shit offline. No, we see Jerry wondering and printed it out. Because we had Jerry Wonder. They printed out Jerry Wonder Studio. So I took my down there, cuz.

[Heineken]

The reason why is the cops took his registration, his license, every dude out the car.

[Randy]

I can tell you why. Afterwards.

[Heineken]

It was a criminal the cops took.

[Randy]

It's a felony, boy. I called my detective homeboy. He said, there's nothing I could do for you because I'm not in that department. He said, but they gonna arrest you. Yeah, we got a crackdown going on. You're going to jail. And I was like this crazy. And she said, do you have $377 right now? I said, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Hell yeah, I do.

[Randy]

Of course I do. She said, okay, well if you paid 377 or something, I can get you your car. I looked at this, I said, when they coming? I'm like, they coming out?

[Rory]

Yeah, something's too good to be.

[Randy]

I'm like, they coming up from somewhere. She said, do you mind following me? I said, follow.

[Maul]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

Nah, nah, we not doing that.

[Maul]

Living room couch.

[Randy]

Oh yeah. I can't even say the yard. But yo, she left the whole time I got home I was like, yo, I would be in jail, and I was supposed to fly out to Rochester with Clue and all and go to Houston H town and everything. I was like, oh, I'm all of that.

[Rory]

Was going.

[Heineken]

Have you ever did a live show in Houston?

[Maul]

Couple?

[Randy]

Yeah. Okay. Fire, Right? Absolutely.

[Heineken]

Because we ended up going to the Y N Club in Houston.

[Maul]

Which one?

[Randy]

Dome.

[Maul]

Dome.

[Heineken]

I don't think where they shoot the. The jump shot to get.

[Randy]

Huh?

[Maul]

Dome. Okay. Damaris had just came back from. She showed us footage. That place is crazy.

[Randy]

Dome with me.

[Heineken]

Yeah.

[Randy]

Yeah.

[Heineken]

Yo, and then they let the confetti fly, and then they have your name on a jumbo tribe.

[Randy]

They brought out the bag.

[Heineken]

This is mythical.

[Randy]

Yo, yo, bro. Yo, bro. And they shoot the basketball for the free section. They shoot, yeah.

[Heineken]

Then if you hit, confetti comes down like you want the shoot.

[Randy]

It's a hoop in the middle of.

[Heineken]

The day, bringing bottles and everything.

[Maul]

Okay, it's time I practice for that. I shot. Dance over to the club.

[Randy]

If you make the shot, you get a free section.

[Maul]

I would shoot 100 free throws the week before.

[Randy]

Yo, and then they get ball awards, too. That if you buy a table and I come in and pay more for the table. Your table gone.

[Heineken]

Yeah. It'll kick you out the table.

[Randy]

Off the table. Ball awards.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's why I don't go out no more.

[Maul]

No, that's a fight.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm not doing all of that. Yeah, I'm not doing.

[Maul]

They do that at my dispensary now. I do a little putt putt to get, like, 50% off. See, you walk in, if you hit the. The putt putt.

[Heineken]

Where's this at.

[Maul]

Bro? Yeah, it's in Jersey City.

[Rory]

It's too much going on right now.

[Maul]

No, when you walk in, you gotta do a putt putt and, like, yo, 50 off. I've missed it all three times. I've been there. But, yo, I'm gonna get it one day.

[Heineken]

I remember there was an episode and they was talking about, like, how you was cheap and you don't like taking girls. And I'm like, that's a false narrative. Because I see more, like, all the lit restaurants.

[Rory]

I'll be like, I just let. I just let them talk shit about it.

[Heineken]

I was like, yo, this is a 400 bill right here and more. Just be in the cut.

[Randy]

Yo, what up? We was eating it, and Maul was in the cut.

[Rory]

I'm always in the cut, though.

[Heineken]

Yo. Every lit restaurant, I was like, is.

[Randy]

That Ma right there?

[Heineken]

He Stand up real quick.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like, yo, I love, keep me love. I do this see you is love. Keep me low. I'm. I'm like, you didn't see me, I didn't see you.

[Heineken]

I'm like, how your crew saying he don't spend no money? I don't think.

[Randy]

I'm like, I just.

[Rory]

I just let people talk. You know what's funny? A girl brought that up to me last weekend. She was like, yo, I heard you was cheap. I was like, where are y' all getting this from? Like, this is affecting my real life now. Like, where are y' all getting this from? I almost caught Rory and cursing my. Like, stop saying it, cuz. This has trickled down to 20. Go to the real world. Whoa.

[Maul]

First of all, she's not here to defend herself. Damaris is the one that say that you are the person that says it yourself that you don't trick.

[Rory]

No, I don't trick.

[Maul]

I know, but I'm saying you people.

[Heineken]

You don't pay for pussy is what you.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't do that, but I'll definitely go being cheap in that.

[Randy]

I'll pay for pussy, though, with no judgments. Tricking. Tricking is out. Tricking to me is you buying a bitch a bag and all that. Get some pussy. But a nice little working girl, 2, $300 and take her down. That's different, yo.

[Rory]

That is crazy, yo. Handing a girl 200 and she start getting naked. That's the wildest I've tried, yo.

[Randy]

I've tried the trip I've tried to.

[Rory]

Pay for, and I literally could not do it.

[Randy]

Columbia, come on, my brother.

[Rory]

N. I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that.

[Randy]

I'm not.

[Rory]

No Colombia for me.

[Maul]

Colombia, I would. I would. I would pay for. That'd be my first time now.

[Heineken]

It cost now to go.

[Randy]

You pay for pussy neither.

[Heineken]

This is your line.

[Rory]

No, no, I'm old as. But now understand.

[Randy]

Wow.

[Rory]

I. I tried to do it. I physically got sick.

[Heineken]

He's a Rockefeller.

[Rory]

And I'm like. So now we just. She's like, yeah, I just. I just can't like something I just can't.

[Randy]

Like, I can't pay for.

[Rory]

My nervous system doesn't like it just before you fuck. But I'm not trying to fuck, though.

[Maul]

But I've done that before.

[Rory]

If I go to dinner with a girl.

[Randy]

You going fuck you now?

[Rory]

Yes, I do. I do that all the time.

[Randy]

Get the out of here.

[Rory]

I go to. I go. I go on dinner. I go on Dinner dates. I go on dinner dates all the time, bro. Why? I'm not looking for.

[Maul]

To get to know people.

[Randy]

Wait, hold on. Hick.

[Rory]

Just to kick it with a. With a cute girl.

[Maul]

Like, hey, like, I don't know, maybe she's funny.

[Randy]

Heineken. Heineken. Let me ask a direct question. Do you normally after your regular dinner dates with the nigga nice women.

[Rory]

Listen, listen, listen. No, no, no.

[Maul]

Listen, listen, listen, listen.

[Rory]

Because I've been on. No, no, because I've been on. I've been on dinner dates with women that I've had sex with before, but after that dinner date, we didn't have sex but you.

[Heineken]

No, no, no.

[Randy]

I've been on dates smashed already. I've been on dinner dates with smashing on. You don't get the dinner till I smash. You smash first, then you.

[Rory]

No, no, no. That is crazy. We just going to eat, though.

[Maul]

Like, God damn.

[Rory]

Like, I'm just going to eat like you got a smash in order. Like. Nah, I'm not. I don't live.

[Randy]

I don't even know if I like you to go eat with you or nothing.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's why you. That's why you go to dinner. You kick it with her.

[Randy]

You seem like, okay people that you don't know.

[Maul]

If you like.

[Randy]

No, if I meet you at dinner and I like you and the sex is trash, I don't like you, so we might as well get to the sex first.

[Rory]

That is.

[Randy]

Let's cut off. Let's cut off it all. Trim all the fat.

[Rory]

Yo, I thought I was crazy.

[Randy]

That is crazy.

[Maul]

No, I literally.

[Rory]

I go to dinner with. With a. With a woman, and it's like, obviously she's attractive. I'm attracted. So we know that. But if she says, yo, I'm going home, got to get. I'm not going to, like, all right, yo, get the out. Like, I'm not going to be mad that I'm not having sex.

[Randy]

How many times can she say you were mad? No, my question to you.

[Rory]

What Am I going to dinner? Try, like, in hopes of getting in. Hope so.

[Randy]

No, I didn't say hope so. You're moving the goal post.

[Rory]

I'm asking. No, I'mma ask you.

[Randy]

I'm very direct.

[Rory]

All right.

[Randy]

On these supposed dinner dates that you're going down with the cute girls, do you normally smash after the cute date with the girl?

[Rory]

I'm probably. I'm probably a strong 46% from the field.

[Maul]

That's a good. That's a high number.

[Heineken]

That's a great number.

[Rory]

I'm like 46% from the field.

[Randy]

Numbers higher.

[Heineken]

I think you at least 68% usually.

[Randy]

Like, like niggas usually fucking. Like, like the niggas that's killing water down. Who likes them? No, they would usually wait to see. They want to type of. I'm gonna see who like me. And if she's attractive enough, then I'm gonna go out with her. So you already know you going smash. So the playing field is already kind of rigged.

[Rory]

Normally, yeah, but I just. I just, I don't. I don't have that.

[Randy]

You let him off the hook.

[Rory]

No, it's just like, yo, we had a good time and sounded crazy. If it let him off the hook, that sounded nuts. Like, it's not that mindset. It's literally, we had a good time. And sometimes she might say, yo, I don't want the night to end right now. Like, let's go home. Let's go. Like, okay, cool. But if she don't say that cool too. I'm not, you know, I'm not tripping.

[Randy]

It ain't no like you. You gonna give it to me. But I'm just saying, I've been in the music business for 30 years. I'm an old man. I'm about to be 49 years old in November. And in my experience as being in the music business for 30 years is not very, very hard to get.

[Rory]

It's not.

[Randy]

They are. They are giving you the on a platter.

[Rory]

You. You usually fumble more than you probably.

[Maul]

That is a fact.

[Heineken]

That's why I don't believe you're 46%.

[Maul]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Randy]

Thank you.

[Maul]

Can I speak for what I think?

[Heineken]

What's up?

[Maul]

Rory, if you were leaving. If you were leaving.

[Heineken]

I'm not going to get the time frame.

[Maul]

All of us have taken on a platter that was right there. But sometimes in this like crazy world.

[Randy]

Not me.

[Maul]

We see women that we may like and be like, hey, we should go out on a date without thinking that out the gate. That doesn't mean that we wouldn't just to the girl that was.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

Just throwing it out there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Maul]

We going out for a reason. Not because. Listen, it's not because I think this only I could go get some regular.

[Randy]

Real quick date is the. The sex after the date.

[Maul]

Yeah.

[Randy]

That's the best part of the day. Yeah.

[Heineken]

That's cool.

[Randy]

That's the whole. I'm going on a date. Cuz once I get a little twisty, you know why the scout go back and smoke a little Bit that's the best part of the day. Well, yo, Ma. Yo, yo. More, more, more. What happened? He said yo was fire inspiration. Like, happen more. What happened? She was cool.

[Rory]

Yeah, we had a good time.

[Randy]

We weren't. We going for the fire. She was, you know.

[Rory]

No, for sure. But I just. I just. I hate that. That's like a narrative that I'm cheap. I'm not cheap.

[Heineken]

I'm like, this is all top tier.

[Randy]

Restaurants for you to be cheap. Like people think is cheap because you don't buy them a Birkin.

[Rory]

Yeah. Which is crazy.

[Randy]

I'm cheap.

[Maul]

I'm the cheapest because. Because I don't even know where you get one because. Because listen, where do they sell it? Where do they sell.

[Rory]

No, no.

[Maul]

You guys think I'm joking. Where do they sell Birkin? Where could you go get one right on Canal today? I could not. If somebody said, go get a Birkin, I'd be like, how you get one.

[Randy]

Right in front of.

[Heineken]

What is it?

[Randy]

Avenue? You can definitely get one online.

[Heineken]

Online right in front of that McDonald's or Canal Street.

[Maul]

$25,000. Some of buying a bag for 25 grand online to me is the CR. Now I gotta hold that shit.

[Randy]

Shout to Bonnie. Bonnie Nelson. This was back in 2009. Bonnie had the Birkin bag with the little Birkin to go in it. She was on some other level.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Randy]

That. That bad. Culture. It's a culture. Yeah.

[Maul]

No, I agree. I just tell him I got a.

[Heineken]

Side chick asking for a $2,000 bag right now.

[Maul]

Saying side chick out loud is, he ain't got nobody. Oh, okay. It's not a side chick.

[Randy]

They all his side chick.

[Maul]

You can't have a side chick if you.

[Randy]

His new nickname name is Denzel because he got all the pictures coming to him. Because everybody think I'm mean. You know what I'm saying? So everybody be thinking, this is the running joke. And he knows it. He's like the real mean one, and I'm actually the nice one. He cracks jokes about. He said everybody thinks he's me. Yeah. And the just walk right around me and be like, hey, so and so I'll be looking at this over here. He's just raking them on there to like, yeah, he's me. He's real me. He think me.

[Maul]

Yo, listen.

[Rory]

We gonna end this right here. This about to go to another level. Yo. Tell them where they can catch y' all at, how they can watch y, how they can listen to y'.

[Randy]

All. YouTube.

[Heineken]

Do you backfield type it in YouTube.

[Randy]

Back go to bag fuel on YouTube, on Instagram, go to E S, S, O W R L D. It's no O and S. That's me. And you can go to Heineken. H Y N A K E N. You can just go to our pages and you can find everything. Just hit the follow button. You are.

[Heineken]

It's the cheapest thing you can ever do.

[Rory]

Yo, this was great. We gotta, we gotta do this. We gotta do this again, man. Y' all is crazy. Thank y' all for coming through. We finally happy. We finally got to have a conversation on camera.

[Randy]

Appreciate you.

[Rory]

That's Bag Fuel. I'm that he's just ginger. Peace.

[Randy]

Mm. No worry.

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