Checking In With Gary Owen

Summary

New Rory & MAL - Episode: Checking In With Gary Owen

Release Date: August 7, 2025

In this vibrant episode of "New Rory & MAL," hosts Rory and MAL sit down with the multifaceted comedian and actor Gary Owen. Known for his sharp wit, engaging performances, and unwavering support for the troops, Gary shares an intimate look into his journey from stand-up comedy to acting, navigating the entertainment industry's challenges, and balancing his personal life with his professional aspirations.

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1. Introducing Gary Owen ([02:15] - [02:56])

Rory and MAL kick off the episode with a warm welcome to Gary Owen, highlighting his roots in comedy and his unique background as a Navy veteran. They express admiration for his longstanding presence in the comedy scene and his commitment to the community.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [02:15]: "He's a Navy man. So salute to him. He's a Navy man."

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2. The Story Behind the Name ([03:03] - [04:10])

Gary delves into the origins of his stage name, sharing a humorous account of how he adapted his name to fit Screen Actors Guild (SAG) regulations. Faced with the challenge of having a unique name, he creatively dropped the 's' from his surname, becoming Gary Owen.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [03:03]: "I'm American man. What you want me to do? This is Gary Owen. No S. Thank you s. Gary Owen."

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3. Early Beginnings in Comedy ([07:07] - [09:19])

Gary reflects on his passion for comedy, tracing it back to sixth grade. An encounter with a gym teacher who questioned his comedic inclinations sparked his determination to pursue stand-up, despite initial discouragement. Gary recounts his first performance at the Comedy Store in La Jolla, which, although modest in audience size, ignited his commitment to the craft.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [08:00]: "I didn't know how, but I always knew I was going to do it."

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4. Breaking Into the Spotlight on Comic View ([12:32] - [14:38])

Winning a local comedy contest in San Diego marked a significant turning point for Gary. Competing without disclosing his race to fit the contest's criteria for black comedians, he successfully secured a spot on BET’s Comic View. This experience showcased his versatility and ability to connect with diverse audiences.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [12:32]: "It was a bad competition. They just bring people down."

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5. Navigating Diverse Audiences ([17:12] - [22:00])

Gary shares his strategies for engaging diverse audiences, particularly his first performance for a predominantly black crowd. By incorporating elements like hip-hop music and dance, he effectively resonated with the audience, earning their appreciation and establishing his unique comedic style.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [10:30]: "We love you."

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6. Transitioning from Stand-Up to Acting ([22:00] - [26:48])

The conversation shifts to Gary's transition from stand-up comedy to acting. He discusses the complexities of memorizing scripts, adapting to different character portrayals, and aligning with directors' visions. Gary expresses that while many comedians find stand-up challenging, he personally encounters more hurdles in acting due to its structured nature.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [25:04]: "If you're going to ask me what's harder, I'm not going to say, Oh my, I'm not like doing back-breaking work here."

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7. Experiences in Major Cities and Celebrity Encounters ([30:04] - [56:55])

Gary reminisces about his performances in cities like New York and Los Angeles, sharing humorous and sometimes chaotic experiences. He recounts interactions with celebrities such as Jamie Foxx and anecdotes involving impromptu show additions and surprise guest appearances, illustrating the unpredictable nature of live performances.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [66:19]: “No s. Gary Owen, No s. You're at the City Winery here in New York this weekend."

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8. The Role of Wardrobe in Comedy ([37:53] - [29:34])

Discussing the importance of wardrobe, Gary highlights how attire can significantly influence a comedian's stage presence and audience perception. He shares insights into maintaining a consistent look for his specials, drawing parallels with icons like Eddie Murphy, who use distinctive clothing to enhance their comedic persona.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [27:43]: “But I have another one come out eight months ago called Broken Family.”

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9. Audience Interactions and Voicemails ([61:15] - [72:56])

The hosts feature voicemails from listeners seeking advice on relationship dilemmas. Gary, along with Rory and MAL, offers humorous and candid responses, addressing issues like trust, communication, and navigating complex emotional landscapes.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [62:44]: “Don't ever get that twisted.”

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10. Live Show Dynamics and Management ([73:35] - End)

Concluding the episode, Rory and MAL discuss their live podcast shows, sharing behind-the-scenes stories about last-minute additions, managing tight schedules, and the spontaneity required for live performances. They highlight memorable moments, including unexpected guest interactions and the challenges of performing across multiple venues.

Notable Quote:

• Gary Owen [73:35]: “I love that movie. And Held up is a classic.”

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Key Takeaways:

• Resilience and Adaptability: Gary's journey underscores the importance of staying resilient and adaptable in the face of challenges, whether altering his stage name for SAG or transitioning from stand-up to acting.

• Audience Connection: His ability to connect with diverse audiences through strategic comedic elements highlights the essence of effective stand-up comedy.

• Balancing Act: Navigating between live performances and acting roles requires a unique balance of spontaneity and structured execution.

• Wardrobe as a Tool: The discussion emphasizes how wardrobe choices play a crucial role in shaping a comedian's public persona and enhancing their performance.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Gary Owen [03:03]: "I'm American man. What you want me to do? This is Gary Owen. No S. Thank you s. Gary Owen."

• Gary Owen [07:32]: "I always knew I was going to do it. But I didn't know how."

• Gary Owen [12:32]: "It was a bad competition. They just bring people down."

• Gary Owen [22:00]: "Stand without good access is not a good stand."

• Gary Owen [25:04]: "If you're going to ask me what's harder, I'm not going to say, Oh my, I'm not like doing back-breaking work here."

• Gary Owen [27:43]: “But I have another one come out eight months ago called Broken Family.”

• Gary Owen [62:44]: “Don't ever get that twisted.”

• Gary Owen [73:35]: “I love that movie. And Held up is a classic.”

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Gary Owen's candid storytelling and insightful reflections provide listeners with a deeper understanding of the complexities and triumphs within his career. His ability to blend humor with genuine experiences makes this episode a must-listen for fans and aspiring comedians alike.

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Listen to "New Rory & MAL" on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts to enjoy the full conversation with Gary Owen.

Transcript

[Bob Crawford]

This is an iHeart podcast. I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, a different type of podcast. You, the listener, ask the questions.

[Jake Hofer]

Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?

[Bob Crawford]

Were JFK and Marilyn Monroe having an affair? And I find the answers. I am so glad you asked me this question.

[Jake Hofer]

This is such a ridiculous story.

[Bob Crawford]

You can listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast guests.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Bob Crawford]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. So what happened to Chappaquiddick?

[Bob Crawford]

Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Jake Hofer]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Bob Crawford]

Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to United States of on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bob Crawford]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.

[Jake Hofer]

San Diego. Coming to MLS is gonna be a.

[Bob Crawford]

Game changer because this region has been.

[Jake Hofer]

Hungry for a men's professional soccer team. We need to embrace this community.

[Bob Crawford]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The volume New Warrior now.

[Gary Owen]

All right, Rory. We are back with a new episode of New Rory and Maul. And today we are joined by a gentleman that I have been a legit fan of for years. You were a little young Rory, when I first saw this gentleman on BET Comic View. When I saw that, he was automatically welcomed into our community. He's been one of us ever since. Funny, funny guy, comedian, standup comedian and actor. And also a Navy man. So salute to him. He's a Navy man.

[Jake Hofer]

He really supports the troops. Like, he's really into the troops.

[Gary Owen]

I'm really into the troops. We are joined.

[Jake Hofer]

He's actually a football Republican, just to let you know you're joking. But this guy is very much. Support the troops. Back the blue.

[Gary Owen]

I'm American man. What you want me to do? This is Gary Owen. No S. Thank you s. Gary Owen.

[Bob Crawford]

Clap for myself.

[Gary Owen]

But it's funny because you are Gary Owens. But you drop. You dropped ass.

[Bob Crawford]

Well, when you. When you join the union. First movie I got.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

There was Gary Owens. He was the host of Laughing.

[Gary Owen]

Yes. And then. Yes.

[Bob Crawford]

They literally. I didn't know this. They gave me a list of names to choose from.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

And I was like, what is this? They go, well, once you're in the Screen Actors Guild, there can only be one of everything.

[Gary Owen]

Got you.

[Bob Crawford]

I kept thinking, what's the easiest thing to do? Cuz they gave me like two Rs. Put my mental initial in there. You know, just. It was all this different range. I just went. I just. I just dropped the S. It's easier.

[Gary Owen]

How did mom feel about that? How did dad feel about that?

[Jake Hofer]

I felt. I thought it was actually just Gary Owen in the way that black people tend to pluralize, like everything. Barnes and Nobles. Great adventures.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

We love Meek Mills. Like you guys just add essence to everything. So I assume like it. Your name was really Gary Owen. And then. Then your audience just said last year.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, I was on. On a. On a pedestal. Like yo. Or Soapbox.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

It's no S. Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, stop. Meanwhile, the family is like, what's wrong with Gary?

[Bob Crawford]

I'm trying.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

But I tried to keep everybody protected like that. But then it finally just came out. People start googling like, wait a minute.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Then my kids got in school. They like, how's your dad? And you're this.

[Jake Hofer]

Then you start to figure out like Jon Stewart's real last name and think maybe Jamie Foxx.

[Gary Owen]

Eric Bishop. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Tom Cruise. I'm guessing it's not Cruz.

[Jake Hofer]

He could. I mean, he converted to Scientology. So I'm sure it's definitely not Cruz Hub Hubbard or something. Is. Is his last name.

[Bob Crawford]

I think the best one was Charles Bronson.

[Gary Owen]

Yes.

[Bob Crawford]

Where he literally went in for an audition and it was on Bronson Avenue. And he was like, yeah, I'm just gonna go with that.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

He just looked at the street. I was like this. Just glad I didn't. They didn't pick Santa Monica for me, you know, Weird name.

[Jake Hofer]

Well, how are you doing in New York for the week? City Winery.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

That we were just discussing. Last time I saw you. You did not see me, but did you did out bottle war me in like 20.

[Gary Owen]

He loves telling the story.

[Jake Hofer]

Fifteen.

[Bob Crawford]

I did what?

[Jake Hofer]

You out Bottle ward me.

[Gary Owen]

You had a bottle war and it was in a club, right?

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah. Well, it was definitely a one sided war. It was like when they invade a very small country and they can't fight back. We were at the Anthony on Bleecker and there was only two tables that were upstairs and I was there already. Then you, you came. You're very, very kind. But then I was just ordering from the bar for everybody. Then you started like having the, the fireworks show. And then slowly all the people that I was with went to your table.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, that's hysterical.

[Jake Hofer]

And then, and then I just boycotted and sat at my own table and just like, yo, that's funny.

[Bob Crawford]

My bad.

[Jake Hofer]

Was it? No, I loved it because I had to stop buying drinks.

[Gary Owen]

Was it all.

[Jake Hofer]

You were very gracious. You let everyone I was with have drinks from, from the bottles you had.

[Bob Crawford]

Were they black? Yeah. It's hard when the black guys start coming over like you really don't want them to take over your sex team.

[Jake Hofer]

You're like, oh, no, I was only with women. I was with. Only with black women.

[Bob Crawford]

Okay, that. That makes sense.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, that's the Gary's. Oh, yeah, yeah. Come on over, let's party.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, sure. Come on.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Jake Hofer]

Started pulling up YouTube showing views.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

I was like, all right, man, I can't win now.

[Bob Crawford]

There's nothing worse though than like going out and just dudes just overrun your area.

[Gary Owen]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I remember I was in St. Louis and I was on one of them shows. There was like five of us and. And Tony Rock was on the show.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

And we went to this party and Tony said, hey, stop by. All right. So I go with two of my buddies. And Tony Sexton's literally got like four guys and four girls at this point. And I come in, now it's seven guys, we gotta go.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And it's like, well, I go, we gotta go. And he's like, what are you talking about? I go, we just messed up the entire odds here. And I looked at all four dudes faces and they didn't have to say nothing, right. I knew what they was thinking. Like, yo, you just messed up the entire ratio. We don't know who we're trying to talk to. We don't know what's going on. So I was like, yeah, we gotta dip. This is not a good look right now.

[Gary Owen]

So Gary, we. Well, I'm a little older than everybody else in the room, but I remember seeing you for the first time on BET Comic View. Take us back Because I know you started in San Diego comedy. You were in the Navy. And what was the, the move like in California? Like, did you fall in love with comedy while you were in California? Was this something that you always thought about doing?

[Bob Crawford]

No, I always wanted to do it.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

From high school, I was in sixth grade and the first day of school, I was talking while the gym teacher was talking, and then he goes, you know, he goes, hey, you gotta be quiet. He goes, what are you gonna be, a comedian or something? And I was like, yeah. And he goes, whoa, okay, not in my class.

[Gary Owen]

Right, right.

[Bob Crawford]

Like he, he tell, he still tells the story this day of how that this spark happened in sixth grade with Gary Owen. He goes, he had to almost backtrack, like, wait, well, not my class. Didn't want to crush my dreams and everything.

[Jake Hofer]

That's the beginning of Juicy for Gary. All the teachers that didn't want me to succeed.

[Bob Crawford]

But I don't know, I just always knew I was going to do it. I didn't know how. I lived in a trailer park in Ohio. I didn't know how to even become a stand up. But I always. And people I grew up with will tell you, I was like, I used to tell people, I'm going to be a stand up. I'm gonna be a stand up.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I don't know how, but I'm gonna do it.

[Gary Owen]

But how does that. Cause you could say it, but then when it's actually time to go to a comedy club or into a competition, get on stage, like as somebody that's never done that before, like, how do you prepare for that moment?

[Bob Crawford]

You think you're gonna get discovered? At least I did okay the first time I got on stage at the Comedy Store in La Jolla, which was the open mic night. I remember I was in the mirror, I got dressed. I don't know why I thought I was gonna be like Eddie Murphy, Del.

[Jake Hofer]

Of leather, like this.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, yeah. They're going to see this. Where you been?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Where have you been?

[Jake Hofer]

The void we've been needing to fill.

[Bob Crawford]

I go, they're going to say they're getting ready.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I just remember I got there like if the show was at 8, I got there like 7.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

And I just sat in the back and I just started watching people come in, Right. I think I was 11th of 12 or maybe 12th of the open micrs at night. So just as fast as I saw the people come in, I also saw them leaving.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

So then by the time I got on stage, it was probably 10 people in the audience. You know, the Comedy Store in La hoya is only 250 people maybe. So it wasn't sold out, but they just kept leaving. I think there was more comics in the back than actual audience members. I go, oh, this isn't what I envisioned. And then didn't go that great. But I was like, okay, I can do this, I think I can do it.

[Gary Owen]

But I read that when you performed the first in front of a majority black audience, a lot of your jokes landed that you would use in other places and you was like, oh, okay, this room, like, they get it. They understand my type of humor. My type of.

[Bob Crawford]

I cheated too, because I was young as. I'm like, I was like 20, 21. I came out dancing and I had some hip hop music playing. Okay. And if you had a little rhythm as a white guy.

[Gary Owen]

We love you.

[Bob Crawford]

Once the black women. That guy on the boat singing Keith Sweat.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah, you see that one?

[Bob Crawford]

I wanna sing. He can't really.

[Gary Owen]

You really listen.

[Bob Crawford]

But he hit that first note and they went, oh, we love him. That's what we was. That's what I did. I go, oh. I kind of had a cheat code a little bit.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And then. And I, I. It was always Destiny's Child. No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz they had like a little slow intro to the beat kicked in.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So I, I'd walk out real slow and then I started doing some with gyrating and. And they're like, like I was cheating. Straight up.

[Jake Hofer]

Got him on my side. La Hoya. I think that'd be fun. How would that work at the Apollo?

[Bob Crawford]

I think Apollo. No, the Hoya was. I couldn't do it in La Hoya.

[Jake Hofer]

Because it was mostly.

[Bob Crawford]

They don't have a sound system.

[Jake Hofer]

They still don't. Or have the Destiny style cd.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, they don't have that.

[Gary Owen]

That's crazy.

[Bob Crawford]

No, the Hoya Comedy Store, because I did it like three years ago. Almost like nostalgic. I'm going to go back to where I started.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So I did a weekend there. It's the same. I got a little guy piano.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Like.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh. And one of my openers lost it because he got like four music cues.

[Gary Owen]

Oh my God, his show.

[Bob Crawford]

I told you. I tell my gu don't use all the music crews. You can't rely on them. And they don't translate the TV right. He was like, yo, they ain't got nothing. You gotta come out cold. I go, well, welcome to Stand up, bro.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, that's that's crazy, though. Walking out and no music, no nothing.

[Jake Hofer]

Play Destiny's Child off the phone, but right to the mic like this. Walk out.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Jake Hofer]

So you leave.

[Gary Owen]

You leave San Diego. And how does. How does Comic View happen?

[Bob Crawford]

I won a contest in San Diego. They said, we're looking for the funniest black comedian in San Diego. So I called in, didn't say I was white or black. Right, right. And got on, won the contest. The first prize was an audition for Comic View. So do you guys remember De Militante? He was a. He was a producer and he was also a comedian on. On Comedy. He passed away a few years ago.

[Gary Owen]

Yes, I do remember him. Yes.

[Bob Crawford]

He was one of the judges of the contest. And then he got me audition, so I drove to la, auditioned, and then I got on Comic View.

[Jake Hofer]

Before you get there, though, did the casting person get fired once you showed.

[Bob Crawford]

Up for the contest?

[Jake Hofer]

They're looking for the black comedian and then you showed up. Did anyone go to casting?

[Bob Crawford]

Like, hey, well, it's San Diego.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

It's not Brooklyn. Yeah, let's bring it down. It's Tony Gwynn. Natron means it wasn't a lot of gangsters at the time. I think Nick Cannon was in it. He just started with 17, so I won it. And it sounds cocky. I won by a landslide.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

Like, it was a bad competition.

[Jake Hofer]

Do you remember Nick's jokes?

[Bob Crawford]

Nick was rapping. He wasn't even telling jokes. He was in a rap group called the Bomb Squad with another guy. And I always say, what happened to that guy? Because that's Brian Dunkleman from American Idol. Nick went on to be Ryan Seacrest. Brian Dunkleman, where's he at?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, that was the other guy.

[Bob Crawford]

I know that. It was literally the guy in San Diego. I used to be in a ref group.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know, so he was rapping. He wasn't doing stand up yet. He was like the musical guest.

[Jake Hofer]

How. How many rap groups do you think were named that in the 90s?

[Gary Owen]

The bomb squad. Yeah. Oh, at least 30A. Yeah, gotta be Squad. The Bomb. Yeah, absolutely. But shout out to Nick Cannon. He's doing.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, he's doing great.

[Jake Hofer]

He's doing. Yeah, he's doing okay.

[Gary Owen]

He did okay. Mariah Carey's I Feel for Baby Mom.

[Bob Crawford]

Like, yeah, he's struggling.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I mean?

[Jake Hofer]

Were you inviting some of, like, your platoon out? Like, were the Seals always. Were the Seals there?

[Bob Crawford]

Dude, when I first started going to la, well, I won the con anyways. I won the contest got on Comic View and the rest is history, so to speak.

[Gary Owen]

The rest is history.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. But I would start going to LA and Mopa Mic, around LA and stuff. I'd always, I didn't want, I'd always have to drive. Like, I get off work at like 4 in the Navy. I might have like a 10pm spot in LA. It's two, two and a half hour drive. So I'd always like get guys to go with me. I go and I lie. I'm like, yo, last, last time I went up there, I saw Jim Carrey. What? You know, I saw, I saw Vivica Fox, I saw Will Smith. And we're like in the late 90s now, right?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So they're, they're like, what? And every time we go, we wouldn't see anybody. I said we were shooting something.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah, it was here last time.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I mean?

[Jake Hofer]

Jim had told me he was working on a movie. That's why he's not here.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, dude, I was like, I was lying because, you know, we might not be on Sunset. I might have a spot, you know, south of Figueroa.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

But here's the crazy part. At that time, they were nobody. If any of those military guys was to come back now, they did see Kevin Hart, they did see Cat Williams, but no, I knew who they were back then.

[Gary Owen]

Yes.

[Bob Crawford]

So in a way I did expose them to like.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Celebrities. Yeah, absolutely.

[Bob Crawford]

But they weren't at the time. So, yeah, I'd always lie to my guys because, you know, you make that drive, man, sometimes you get off work at 4, 4:30, you're hitting rush hour, you're not getting to LA to 7:38, you're just grabbing something to eat that you're doing your five, ten minute spot. And you're usually hanging out for a little bit afterwards, talking to comics and then you're driving back. Because I remember there was a, it was a Kmart in Dana Point, which is about halfway from San Diego to la. And I used to park there and take a nap. Sometimes I couldn't make it and then. But if I had somebody ride with me, you know, we could switch off.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And then the guys would come back and then I'd tell some. They tell a few people, he lying. I see nobody. And then get somebody else that didn't talk to them. No, no, no, no, they're gonna be there tonight.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, Tonight, straight up. Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

I didn't know the full Navy history. Now I think about Ohio to the Navy, to entertainment. You, you May be the white Antoine Fisher. Now that I really think. Now that I think about the entire situation.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm trailer park.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

He was the hood.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

The biggest.

[Gary Owen]

Well, the trailer park is the hood.

[Bob Crawford]

Without the gun violence. We shoot ourselves. We don't shoot other people. We are quick to do suicide, but we don't shoot other people. We'll shoot other people up with heroin.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

We're not used to.

[Jake Hofer]

But I mean, that's to numb. So they don't kill themselves. That's suicide prevention.

[Bob Crawford]

I remember when I was growing up in the trailer park, two things that was funny. One, I went across street to the trailer, and they had a catfish in their bathtub. And I thought that was the coolest thing. So I realized how they getting baths or showers. They only got one bathroom, but I was like, those are catfish. I remember telling my mom they got catfish in her bathtub. And it's just swimming. Having the time of its life for probably the five hours it's got left to live.

[Gary Owen]

It was dinner time.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Well, not even dinner. I just don't know how you can't survive in a bathtub of water.

[Gary Owen]

No.

[Bob Crawford]

And then the one guy tried to commit suicide, like, two trailers down, and he missed. So he went here, and the bullet went here. So I just remember waking up, and you see the ambulances coming down and everything, and I just remember thinking to myself, double loser.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah. And you got to think, like, you know, when you're suicidal, you feel very worthless about yourself. And like, I can't even. I can't even kill myself.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. And you live in a trailer.

[Jake Hofer]

It'll make me more suicidal.

[Bob Crawford]

Yourself. You couldn't do it. And now you're coming back and we're seeing the bandage. We're seeing it all.

[Jake Hofer]

Then you gotta start lying. Like, I stumbled over the gun. I tripped. It was dark, Couldn't see it. I recently went to a trailer park in Baton Rouge, and I was. I'm aware of people, like, accidentally overdosing and dying off fentanyl. They think it's something else. They were, like, actively offering fentanyl. Like, they were handing me a Bud Light to that degree. You want some?

[Gary Owen]

You want some fent?

[Jake Hofer]

Some what? Yeah, some fentanyl. I was, no, I'm cool.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, my God.

[Jake Hofer]

I understand that if it gets put in a batch and you don't know, you want to go do some or whatever. Like. Like, yeah, but they're just like, no, no. It's just straight up f. If you want some. I'm like, wait, don't if you have like a. A touch of that, you die.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Fact.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm like this. Oh, yeah, that bat roof truck. Can't stop that Ohio trailer park. You just t me. We're good. You know the guy that always wants to top every store.

[Jake Hofer]

I wasn't bragging. First of all. 35 years old with a tiny bit of money, I shouldn't be in a Baton Rouge.

[Gary Owen]

How did you get there?

[Jake Hofer]

But listen, man, sometimes you fall asleep in the car in New Orleans and you wake up in Baton Rouge.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

It must have been some good. That's what I'm saying.

[Gary Owen]

That's all it was.

[Bob Crawford]

That got me crazy.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Absolutely. Malls matter.

[Gary Owen]

I did meet a beautiful young lady.

[Jake Hofer]

But just knows a lot of people that have feno. So the way they just shoot guns for, like, not even the range.

[Bob Crawford]

Just.

[Jake Hofer]

Just in the trailer park, we're just gonna shoot a tree that's over there.

[Gary Owen]

But Baton Rouge is like, like south for real. Like, that's the. That's the. Yeah, that's south.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, yeah. You take. You take LSU out of there. It's Mississippi.

[Jake Hofer]

Okay. So, yeah, I was just being the northeast ignorant guy to the south, and I didn't false it. I knew I was going to Baton Rouge. I'm thinking, I really want to see, like, lsu, and this is going to be amazing. Take it by the stadium.

[Gary Owen]

No, no, that's not the town. That's not the town you go sightseeing in.

[Jake Hofer]

Then she was like, you want to see where young boys from? I said, no.

[Gary Owen]

I love New Orleans, though. No, no.

[Jake Hofer]

New Orleans is incredible.

[Bob Crawford]

New Orleans. Certain parts, but every agency got certain parts.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You make one wrong turn in New Orleans, that's the only place I got followed openly was New Orleans.

[Gary Owen]

We mean, he followed you, dude.

[Bob Crawford]

They were straight up trying to get me. I was like, this is so obvious. Like, I was. Because I shot a movie there, like 2006. So I was there for like two and a half months. And I remember I had this little outdoor spot right off bourbon. I used to go eat all the time. And I'm looking, there's two brothers. I'm sorry, they were black.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

They're just sitting across and it's clear through, like, kind of talking about me. I'm going, huh?

[Jake Hofer]

They're fans. Nah.

[Bob Crawford]

It'S the middle of the day.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm walking down Bourbon and literally it was almost like the guy hit the other guy. And they're just a good distance from me, but clearly. Yeah, I go into a store, they'd sit outside. I was like, they're freaking fun. They're waiting for me to be alone.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

Man, I went to. I went into a cvs. I swear to God, I was there for an hour and a half waiting. I read every Men's Health magazine there was. I was like, that guy's pretty ripped. I'm gonna. Are they good outside of CVS?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Looking at the ingredients of DayQuil, just going.

[Bob Crawford]

This was so obvious.

[Gary Owen]

At what point, though, Gary in that moment does like the Navy and you kick in, though?

[Bob Crawford]

It did. I noticed it if I was following you.

[Gary Owen]

Sometimes the combat, like, all right, y' all want this? Like, no.

[Jake Hofer]

No navies.

[Bob Crawford]

We're not like that. We're not Marines. Arm. Let's slow it down a little bit. All right, let's.

[Jake Hofer]

He was not a seal.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Gary needed water.

[Jake Hofer]

When the SEAL showed up to the San Diego bars, like, when he showed up to the bar with me, like, you're taking over the room.

[Bob Crawford]

I hang out with seals. I'm not a seal. I can hang out. Floyd Mayweather. I'm not Floyd Mayweather. You know what I mean?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

It was. It was so obvious. But. But it's weird because you become the Karen in you.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You're like, we hear so much about white Karens. Like, I don't want to tell the cops.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. I don't want to call the cops.

[Bob Crawford]

Because I'm thinking this might be if it isn't. But I know it is. But I'm going, dang. It's weird thing that the white guilt really kicked in at that moment. I was like this. You know what I mean?

[Gary Owen]

So reading every Men's Health magazine, they.

[Bob Crawford]

Finally just said, all right, let's go to somebody else.

[Gary Owen]

He's taking too long.

[Jake Hofer]

That's Boulder off bourbon.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

It was so obvious. Like, this was not me just making it up.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I dug every place I ducked into. They just kind of sat. Yeah. And I was like, damn. Did they think I'm that oblivious?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know, they kept a good distance.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Just eyesight.

[Bob Crawford]

We just need them to say beyond obvious, though.

[Gary Owen]

I was like, yeah, but other than that, New Orleans is a beautiful city.

[Jake Hofer]

Well, how did it end?

[Gary Owen]

They just left.

[Bob Crawford]

They just left.

[Jake Hofer]

Okay.

[Gary Owen]

They stopped waiting for me, like, oh, you know what?

[Bob Crawford]

And a bad part about. I was at this p. I was at this hotel called the Pierre Marquette, and it kind of sat out of the cut, and you kind of go down one of them side streets to get to it, even though it's right off Canal in Bourbon. It is off a side street. So I was like, if they're gonna eventually get to me, if I went to my hotel. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. I was at a brisk walk, almost jog.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you sort of crash, like, yes, I'm back.

[Bob Crawford]

But I like New Orleans like that.

[Gary Owen]

Just beautiful. I love New Orleans. It's one of my favorite cities, for sure.

[Jake Hofer]

It's one of the only cities I feel like you're not in the United States. Out of every US City, it's the only one that doesn't feel like you're in the U.S. i mean, I guess Miami, but.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, Miami. Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

But to me, that's. It's always just New Orleans looks way different than anything else.

[Gary Owen]

So. So. So, Gary, you make the transition from comedy to now acting. What was that, like, your first. What was your first TV role?

[Bob Crawford]

First movie was Held up with Jamie Foxx. Fox got me.

[Gary Owen]

I think that's a classic movie.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. It didn't do well at the box office.

[Gary Owen]

That's okay. We don't care.

[Bob Crawford]

They messed that. They messed the marketing up for that movie, though, because when they shot it, you know, Jamie was cool. He was Jamie Foxx show.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And like, literally the. I'm talking the week after we got back from rapping. Because I was kind of hanging with Jamie a lot back then.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

He got the audition for Any Given Sunday, and what I remember, I was at his house, and he was like, yo, He. He came in for an agent. The one. The part Dwayne Martin played, I believe O. So he goes, yo, I went in and tell me about Oliver Stone, how he was kind of like. Kind of. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he wasn't. He was. He was pushing him to his limits. Jamie in the audition, which, you know, I think every genius has a bit of crazy in him.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And I don't know. He. I know Jamie was like, man, I don't know what. What was up with that dude? And then Diddy obviously didn't get. They couldn't throw the football is what. What I've always heard from everybody.

[Jake Hofer]

Diddy was supposed to be Willie Beeman.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

I never knew that.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. He couldn't. He was unathletic.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Couldn't throw the ball.

[Gary Owen]

Too much oil, maybe.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I mean, though?

[Jake Hofer]

Jamie, when he was steaming, Willie Beeman was oiled up in that music video that he did.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. He was ripped up. And so all of a sudden, he go, yeah, we're about to shoot this video, man. We're gonna. This music video. Or say I'm steaming Willie beaming. I got the ladies creaming.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Type deal. Yeah. You know, I'm just there. That's a good idea.

[Jake Hofer]

Also, he gets great record though.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, yeah. He gets. They hold held up until Any given Sunday comes out. Oh. So that movie took about two and a half years to drop.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

After we shot it.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Because they was like, now Jamie got. We think Jamie's about to go. And he did. But this movie didn't. I think they were.

[Gary Owen]

It held up was. It was a good movie, though. Like, it was. It was funny.

[Bob Crawford]

But when it came out in a timely fashion, I think it would have did better.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Okay.

[Jake Hofer]

I feel that you're comparing it to an Oliver Stone budget. And I mean, to me, a classic, classic movie. Any given Sunday.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

I would be pissed if that shit came out after.

[Gary Owen]

But what was it? What was it? That was my first Held up was the first one. Was it a huge. You know, from being on stage, because we talk to comedians a lot and, you know, going to comedy shows. To me, a stand up comic is what the. Probably one of the toughest jobs in entertainment.

[Bob Crawford]

That's crazy to me because I find it so easy.

[Gary Owen]

But how? Because you don't know when you go on a stage, you don't know who's gonna be in the audience. And a lot of standup comics, especially you, you play off of the audience, the energy, who's in the audience. You have banter back and forth with people in the audience. If it's not that, though, for a standup comic, you only have your material to kind of fall back on. That has to be a tough spot versus acting. You have lines, cues, other people to feed off of on set. Like a stand up comic is just you, the mic in the spotlight.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. I find acting much harder than stand up. Much harder.

[Gary Owen]

Why?

[Bob Crawford]

It's not your words. You gotta, you gotta memorize stuff. And then you're putting a lot of probably undue pressure on yourself because you want to, you want to deliver.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You don't know what the director, the producer's vision is of this character. You're bringing what you think think you think is right. And so. And you know, I just find acting way. If you're gonna ask me what's harder, I'm not gonna say, oh my, I'm not like doing back breaking work here.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

But if you're gonna ask me what is more challenging, acting over stand up for for me right now, if you ask, like, like anybody else that's been active for a long time, I'm sure they're going to be like, stand up's much harder. But for me, stand up was just like, nothing.

[Gary Owen]

That's crazy.

[Jake Hofer]

I mean, I. I think it's the strangest art form ever. Like, the fact that people can sell out arenas with literally just a microphone. There's no backup dancers. There's no hit song that everyone wants to hear. Like, everyone's sitting to wait to hear for that hit song is, to me, the most challenging ever.

[Bob Crawford]

And you can come out in cargo pants and a black T shirt. Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Which is also hilarious.

[Bob Crawford]

Wardrobe.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Like, you go to. You go to Hard Rock, and you see, like, this is. This was Prince. He wore this. Diana Ross wore this. And you see Shane Gillis. Shane Gillis with his black T shirt, these Levi's. Like, there's no fashion sense.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I literally. I watched some specials. I go, oh, he ain't gonna fuck.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

He literally. Like black comics being in the black comedy world and then mainstream, you have your mainstream friends, too, which are mostly white, but now you got Latinos and everything else. But I'm like, boy, the black comics put a lot on that wardrobe.

[Gary Owen]

Oh, yeah. Gotta look like I'm talking about their specials.

[Bob Crawford]

I'd be like, oh.

[Gary Owen]

But I think a lot of that is Eddie Murphy, though, when he did the leather. I think that kind of set the precedence of when you have your standup moment. Like, this is your special. You gotta come out here and just look like it has to be a moment. Like, as soon as they see you, what are you wearing?

[Jake Hofer]

The funniest thing was Aziz wearing amazing suits for, like, a decade, and then they did that bullshit to him, and then he showed up in a hoodie. I think I'm cool, man. I'm not dressing up for y' all anymore. Look what the fuck y' all did to me.

[Bob Crawford]

Mean, just wearing the zip up.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Dress like a painter.

[Bob Crawford]

Looking at. Changing the oil on somebody's thing.

[Jake Hofer]

I mean, Louis CK has done the garden for 20 years wearing probably the same black T shirt.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

Same exact black.

[Jake Hofer]

I get Louis CK specials mixed up sometimes with clips because he's been wearing the same T shirt and jeans for every single special.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

But I know my last special, the one. Oh, and no s. It's funny because I had another one come out eight months ago called Broken Family.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

How that hat. I got the same outfit on in both specials, by the way, and the same backdrop because it's the same venue. Well, we shot Friday and Friday. Saturday morning I woke up, I'm having coffee with my manager, and I go, I think I got another hour. We got it last night, right? We're good. Did we check the gate? And she called the guys like, yeah, we're good. And I go, I think I'm doing a different hour tonight. Let's. Let's try it. And then she was like, all right. Well, I didn't prepare for another hour as far as wardrobe wise.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I literally was like, oh, I bought two of the same pair of jeans, two of the same pair of shirts and everything. Because I was like, I didn't know.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So it's funny because I could literally splice two hours together and have a two hour special, basically. Now. That's crazy. It's the same. Everything's the same.

[Jake Hofer]

I was very much confused when I went to your YouTube page of 90 days till the new special, and it was the same as was at the old one. So I was like, wait, all right, is this the deluxe album? Like, I didn't, I didn't know. I was very. I was, like, very confused of the entire thing. Okay, that's right. I knew I wasn't, but I was like, maybe it's a different dentist.

[Bob Crawford]

Two for one out of it.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

You know, so where'd you. Did you misplace the shirts and jeans? Like you were good to go.

[Bob Crawford]

That was good. Because you always buy when you're doing a special. At least I always do. I buy the same outfit. Because you don't know. You might sweat.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Something might happen. So you just, you. You bring an extra.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

Just in case. So I had bought. Bought the same shirt twice and the same jeans twice. So I was just like, oh, all right.

[Gary Owen]

What do you think about the tropes that people say? They say, like, your comedy, it panders to the black audience.

[Bob Crawford]

Who says that?

[Gary Owen]

Well, it's been a thing for years. People like, oh, Gary on his comedy, he just, you know, he makes black jokes and he tries to get. And I'm just like, well, that's part of comedy, though.

[Bob Crawford]

Every standup, you talk about your life.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

My inner circle just. There's a lot of black people in it. You know, I got mixed kids. Yeah. I can't talk about having white kids. I don't have them. I don't get it.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know what I mean? I think it's just. It's easy, right? Like, it's this kind of low hanging fruit.

[Gary Owen]

Like, but you've heard that before, I'm sure.

[Bob Crawford]

Never in person on the Internet. Yes.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

Nobody's ever come up to me in person and said that.

[Gary Owen]

No, no, no, because I mean, your fans are your fans. They love you. They don't look at it like that. But. But there's a thing about Gary Owen comedy. But like you said, comic. You want. You hosted comic view. Yeah, E.T.

[Bob Crawford]

Dude, I would have hosted Telemundo if I knew Spanish. You know what I mean? Like, I was just trying to get on tv. I just won that contest and I got on. I would, I was, I was like, dude, I was, I was a finalist for the Real World before I did comic Boston 96.

[Jake Hofer]

You have to walk us through this entire process because you are. You tricked the casting director for the best black comic in San Diego. Please explain the casting experience with Real World.

[Bob Crawford]

I didn't get on it.

[Jake Hofer]

I know, but what's. But it was still a casting experience.

[Bob Crawford]

So this is before Internet.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So this is watching the Real World and they tell you.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, that cat.

[Bob Crawford]

No, no, no, that's Seattle.

[Gary Owen]

That's Seattle. Yeah, that's the same.

[Bob Crawford]

The Boston cast.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Here we go. Okay, so here's a funny story about that. There's Cyrus on the end. Okay, Cyrus. Here's the funny story about that Boston cat.

[Jake Hofer]

Prince to the right.

[Bob Crawford]

So I. They tell you when the Real World was ending, whatever season was before that next season. And they give you like an address if you want to, you know, write this or send in a tape or something. Right. We're casting for next season's Real World. That's how it was done back then. Yeah, shoot. I'm. I'm writing it down. Right, okay, right. You write a letter. I wrote a letter of why I should be on it. Then you send a VHS tape. I said, my buddy worked at this place called Good Guys. And I sat. He put like literally a hundred TVs behind me. So in my audition tape.

[Gary Owen]

Oh, you had real production.

[Bob Crawford]

Everything was timed by a hundred.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So I'm going, hi, I'm Gary. I really want to be on the Real World.

[Gary Owen]

You know, they was like, he's on ash.

[Bob Crawford]

Like Max. So they, then they, they first they, they responded to the letter and said, yeah, could you put yourself on tape?

[Gary Owen]

Uhuh.

[Bob Crawford]

So then I put myself on tape. Then I got another letter with a phone number to it. I called the phone number and they said, come up, we'd like to interview you.

[Gary Owen]

Uhhuh.

[Bob Crawford]

So I came up and then there was like, God, there was probably 40, 40 guys in the lobby. I'm sure there was more, but I went in, did the interview, and didn't get on. I just remember the one question. They go, in your world, what's the perfect house for the Real World? I go, me and six black chicks. That's probably what didn't give me the part. Me and six black chicks.

[Jake Hofer]

You are pitching the Chappelle show sketch.

[Bob Crawford]

Before the chapel show sketch and everything. Me and six black chicks. I looked around and it was all white ladies. I go, oh, this ain't going over. Yeah. Yeah. So this is what I remember about that season. So of course, I never heard anything after that.

[Gary Owen]

Right? Yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

They don't. They don't tell you. No, it's just radio silent. So when the season start, of course I'm watching it with vested interest. I want to see who got on. I remember seeing Cyrus. Someone I remember seeing.

[Gary Owen]

Right? Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So here's what's funny. Cyber just on there. He likes white girls. I went, ah, direction.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

The black girl was from Stanford. She didn't agree with interracial dating. She ended up sleeping with the white dude when they went away on their. Remember every year they went away for a week.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

She slept with a white dude on their little getaway. And I go, I was supposed to sleep with her.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I was supposed to sleep with that black girl from Stanford. He just took my kid a cat.

[Jake Hofer]

If you just would have swapped you in, it would have been the same thing.

[Bob Crawford]

I was like, yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Because that's all she was looking for was just, you know, me and Cyrus.

[Bob Crawford]

Could have hung out at bars.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Never stepped on toes. I would have slept with her. Who knows? But my life turned out.

[Gary Owen]

The Real World is one that we. And it's funny, because we just spoke about this, what, maybe two weeks ago. I brought up the Real World because they. They don't really remember. And I'm like, yo, the Real World?

[Jake Hofer]

No, not the years. You remember the first, like, year in.

[Gary Owen]

New York when they had Heather B. Was on there? Like I told you, she. She was on the. On the Real World. But that's funny. I never knew Gary Owen auditioned for.

[Bob Crawford]

Before I was doing Stand up, bro.

[Gary Owen]

That's crazy.

[Bob Crawford]

I was just. I knew. I knew I had, like, less than a year left in the Navy.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

And I was preparing myself to get out, and I was just like, I'm just gonna go for. And I. Listen, if I would have got casted, I don't know if I would have been out of the Navy yet. I didn't think that far ahead. I just leave.

[Jake Hofer]

You'd be in Germany right now.

[Bob Crawford]

I just go up.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know, but everything I was doing was getting ready to get out out. So no, I was. I was probably was doing stand up a little bit, but I think that was 96. No, I wasn't doing stand up yet. No.

[Gary Owen]

6. Wow. That just sounds like a lifetime ago.

[Bob Crawford]

I mean, I feel like Boston 96 or 97. So I was 97. So I was just starting. Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

I mean they turned your idea into think like a man.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Look at that.

[Jake Hofer]

That's pretty much what they were doing.

[Bob Crawford]

Chicks. I just remember that. My lady, that is.

[Gary Owen]

This ain't going.

[Jake Hofer]

I wonder if Viacom, like still has that casting tape somewhere.

[Gary Owen]

I'm sure they do.

[Bob Crawford]

They went, yeah, he cable tv.

[Jake Hofer]

Things are changing.

[Bob Crawford]

To go for it. It's going to go really well or really bad. Clearly went really bad.

[Gary Owen]

It went really bad. Absolutely.

[Bob Crawford]

American history is full of wise people.

[Jake Hofer]

What woman said something like, you know, 99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is. Is gory.

[Bob Crawford]

Those founding fathers were gossipy AF and they love to cut each other down. I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions about American history. And I find the answers, including the nuggets of wisdom our history has to offer. Hamilton pauses and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar. And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption.

[Jake Hofer]

My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said. It would have been harder to fake.

[Bob Crawford]

It than to do it. Listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, guys? Welcome to Agusto Papa, the go to.

[Jake Hofer]

Spot for everything musica Mexican.

[Bob Crawford]

We're proud Mexican Americans who live and breathe this music.

[Jake Hofer]

We started this podcast to share and.

[Bob Crawford]

Discuss our views on musica mexicana.

[Jake Hofer]

Whether you like Peso Pluma, Los Alegres.

[Bob Crawford]

Del Barranco, Ariel Camacho or Ivan Cornejo.

[Jake Hofer]

When you get in your fields, then this podcast is for you. We deep dive into music reviews.

[Bob Crawford]

First of all, my show last year, everything was a 10 out of 10 fashion and lifestyle inspired by the roots of musica mexicana.

[Jake Hofer]

The craziest controversies and cheesemans.

[Gary Owen]

I don't have nothing against Puerto, you know, and I don't think Joe Peach.

[Bob Crawford]

Should be mad me at mean song and artist comparisons. Competition in the scene. There is competition.

[Gary Owen]

There is sides to this. There's special Pluma, Double P and there's jp.

[Bob Crawford]

I think at the end of the day, it's business, it's all competition and.

[Jake Hofer]

Of course, our personal stories and opinions along the way.

[Bob Crawford]

This isn't just a podcast, it's a movement for fans who live Musica Mexicana every single day. Listen to Augusto Papa as part of the Michael Tura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Bob Crawford]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to back 40 on I app, Apple Podcast or wherever you get your podcast. So what happened to Chappaquiddick?

[Bob Crawford]

Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Jake Hofer]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Bob Crawford]

There's a famous headline, I think in.

[Jake Hofer]

The New York Daily News, it's Teddy Escapes, Blonde Drowns. And in a strange way, right, that.

[Bob Crawford]

Sort of tells you the story really.

[Jake Hofer]

Became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes.

[Bob Crawford]

Will Ted become President? Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

[Jake Hofer]

And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

[Bob Crawford]

The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Jake Hofer]

Lindsay, Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Bob Crawford]

American history is full of wise people.

[Jake Hofer]

Walt Whitman said something like, you know, 99.99% of war is diarrhea and 1% is glory.

[Bob Crawford]

Those founding fathers were gossipy AF and they love to cut each other down. I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, the show where you send us your questions about American history. And I find the answers, including the nuggets of wisdom our history has to offer. Hamilton pauses and then he says, the greatest man that ever lived was Julius Caesar. And Jefferson writes in his diary, this proves that Hamilton is for a dictator based on corruption.

[Jake Hofer]

My favorite line was what Neil Armstrong said it would have Been harder to fake it than to do it.

[Bob Crawford]

Listen to American history Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up guys? Welcome to Agusto Papa, the go to.

[Jake Hofer]

Spot for everything musica Mexicana.

[Bob Crawford]

We're proud Mexican Americans who live and breathe this music.

[Jake Hofer]

We started this podcast to share and.

[Bob Crawford]

Discuss our views on musica Mexican.

[Jake Hofer]

Whether you like Peso Pluma, Los Alres.

[Bob Crawford]

Del Barranco, Ariel Camacho or Ivan Cornejo.

[Jake Hofer]

When you get in your feels, then this podcast is for you. We deep dive into music reviews.

[Bob Crawford]

First of all, my show last year, everything was a 10 out of 10. Fashion and lifestyle inspired by the roots.

[Jake Hofer]

Of musica mexicana, the craziest controversies and Cheesemans.

[Gary Owen]

I don't have nothing against Puerto, you know, and I don't think Joe Peach should be mad at me.

[Bob Crawford]

Song and artist comparisons, competition in the scene. There is competition, there is sides to this.

[Gary Owen]

There's special Pluma, Double P and there's J O P Street Mob.

[Bob Crawford]

I think at the end of the day it's business, it's all competition and.

[Jake Hofer]

Of course, our personal stories and opinions along the way.

[Bob Crawford]

This isn't just a podcast. It's a movement for fans who live Musica Mexicana every single day. Listen to Augusto Papa as part of the Michael Tura Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Bob Crawford]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. So what happened at Chappaquiddick?

[Bob Crawford]

Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and left.

[Jake Hofer]

A woman behind to drown.

[Bob Crawford]

There's a famous headline, I think in.

[Jake Hofer]

The New York Daily News. It's teddy escapes blonde drowns. And in a strange way, right, that.

[Bob Crawford]

Sort of tells you the story really.

[Jake Hofer]

Became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes.

[Bob Crawford]

Will Ted become President? Kappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal. The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I see you have a wedding ring on. I have not. I mean, I kept up with the earlier stuff. The divorce, the earlier material. Yeah, you were pretty much like, my. My take. Hey, when you were on the run to not get served papers. Facts, facts. So what made you want to get married again?

[Bob Crawford]

Huh?

[Jake Hofer]

What made you want to get married again?

[Bob Crawford]

Prenup.

[Jake Hofer]

Nice. Because these things make me nervous and break out in hive, so I'm very curious. After watching. Watching that entire thing and rooting for you, I just. Just going right back, right, right back into the mix is a little terrifying.

[Bob Crawford]

So you guys got wind of the divorce. Not in real time. It was over long before.

[Jake Hofer]

It's usually how relationships go.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. You guys got wind of it later. It was. That ship had sailed years before, so it was like, to me, it wasn't like jumping in immediately like, this is. This has been dead and gone.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

It wasn't. Wasn't. It wasn't like that. When, like, emotionally, you're not ready, I go, dude, it had been over for years.

[Jake Hofer]

Yes.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

What. I mean, what's that prenup conversation like, the second time? Like, hey, look at all the evidence on the Internet.

[Gary Owen]

Look at the proof of concept that I have. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. Well, every. I think everybody, when you have that conversation, it's. It's not easy. Of course the women. The woman is gonna say, it's not like you're prepared for a divorce. Another divorce.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

The men's gonna say, prove to me you love me. For me. It's not about the money. And you just. But prenup isn't always about what was.

[Gary Owen]

What was the conversation?

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah, I don't think it was just.

[Bob Crawford]

Like, look, if this don't work out, we always say you need a lawyer to get divorced, but not to get married.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

I don't wanna. I don't wanna go through this again.

[Gary Owen]

Right?

[Bob Crawford]

If. Let's just be realistic. If it doesn't work out, this is what you're getting. It's not like I'm saying you get nothing. I'm saying this is what I'm willing to. To share with you. And I'm. Listen, I am not a vindictive. I'm not an evil Person. I would never. If. If to be with somebody, just leave them high and dry. That's, you know. Yeah, I'm not gonna do that.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Jake Hofer]

Do you think those two guys in New Orleans maybe trained you to get away from the guy trying to serve papers?

[Bob Crawford]

It could have helped, yeah. Do you think I was just good at avoiding things? I was good at avoiding getting divorced for a long time. That's what I'm saying.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah. We were following that like it was on some map questions. All right, so Gary's in Virginia, then he was in Ohio. Yeah, we were following that like you would not believe. That was. I'm serious, dude.

[Bob Crawford]

The. The. The stories I got avoiding a process server. I mean, to being in West Virginia, laying low. I was at my buddy's house for two weeks. I was at the Four Seasons in Baltimore for two weeks. And I just said, just give me a balcony because I couldn't leave, leave. But I had to get outside somehow.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I said, I just gotta step outside so I could step outside. And then all I'm doing is uber eating. And I had close friends sending me care packages, but I was under Muhammad Shabazz, so I figured nobody would look for Gary Owen there until I would order breakfast. And he goes, he wants bacon and eggs.

[Gary Owen]

Wait a minute.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah, it should be turkey bacon.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Let's make sure that you're just. You're dyslexic Muslim and you're eating bacon. Everything's backwards here. But I do remember, like, I'd be on the road, right? So she had a little leg up because my schedule's printed.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And I had to get back on the road. I was going crazy. I told my age, I told my lawyer my age. I get back on the road, my lawyer's like, I wouldn't recommend it. I said, do you want to get paid?

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

Because, you know, I can't go three months without working here. So we were always very careful on the road. And I just remember my opener was having the time of his life because he was in the hotel I was supposed to be at. So he had the suite under Gary Owen. And we did it on purpose in case they were trying to find me.

[Jake Hofer]

And put you in the Motel 6.

[Bob Crawford]

I hope you never get third. He was sending me videos. He was in the row. Dude, this is the life. He was me for, like, three, four months. When I got served, I just remember he went, ah, it's over. I go, yeah, it's over, bro. Yeah, you're back to a single room, single king.

[Jake Hofer]

Meanwhile, he's in the Red Roof. He's in the trailer park in Baton Rouge.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jake Hofer]

He's around the fence.

[Bob Crawford]

Even in Baltimore. I was at the Four Seasons. Great. Up. But he was at, like, the Renaissance.

[Gary Owen]

Oh, man. He was like, in Baltimore.

[Bob Crawford]

The sweet inner Harbor.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, it like.

[Bob Crawford]

I know the sweet. He was talking about. It's like they got this wraparound hallway in big.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, dude.

[Bob Crawford]

He goes, bro.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Because I got. I got to become a headliner, so I hope this motivates you.

[Gary Owen]

So BET just announced that they canceled the Hip Hop Awards and the Soul Train Awards. As an honorary member of the black community, Gary, how does that make you feel knowing that the Soul Train Awards is no longer a part of the BET production?

[Bob Crawford]

I think we stopped watching it years ago.

[Gary Owen]

We did.

[Bob Crawford]

I think this.

[Gary Owen]

That's why they canceled it.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. The ship has sailed. I mean, everything. Here's the thing. Everything comes to an end.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You know, maybe not the Oscars, but I, like, we're not watching that like we used to.

[Gary Owen]

Right.

[Bob Crawford]

It keeps getting less. And we're at a different age right now. I just think it's great to talk about on your podcast.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Nobody. Next year is gonna be like, dang.

[Gary Owen]

We missed the social. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

And I mean, once. Once the Hip Hop Awards stopped doing the Ciphers, which was the only reason we watched when it was popular, it was like, what's the point here? And once the Soul Train Awards just started giving the same awards to people that were getting the regular BET awards, VMAs and Grammys, it was like, what's the point of the Soul Train Awards? And we could just go watch something. You're giving the awards to the same people that are winning the Grammys.

[Bob Crawford]

And let's be honest, the editing was pretty bad on some of them.

[Gary Owen]

Oh, my God.

[Bob Crawford]

There was no iconic moments like the Motown 25 of Michael Jackson moonwalk.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

When James Brown came out, you know, it was just like, it's. You know, I was watching anymore.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You're literally watching. Going. They would just. I remember the editing. I was like, who's editing this?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Yeah, it started. It started to look really bad.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, it started, and then you didn't know what network it was on anymore. Like, it be on TV1.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Just moving it around like, what. What is this on tv?

[Jake Hofer]

I just have to buy a whole new package to watch this.

[Bob Crawford]

It was time.

[Gary Owen]

So we got into it. Me and Rory got into a kind of debate last year because Rory said. And because you're A legend in the. In the comedy world. Rory feels like Chris Rock isn't an A list celebrity.

[Jake Hofer]

A list comedian.

[Gary Owen]

He said he feels like he's an A list comedian, but he doesn't feel like Chris Rock is an A list celebrity. To which I responded to Rory. I said, rory, I don't think you can host the Oscars without being an A list celebrity.

[Bob Crawford]

Hmm. That's a good question. Maybe a minus.

[Jake Hofer]

I. I thought B. And I don't think B is a.

[Gary Owen]

A bad.

[Jake Hofer]

It's an insult to say you're a B celebrity because to me, A list is Tom Cruise and Chris Rock in the same sentence.

[Bob Crawford]

You got a point there. Denzel and Chris Rock.

[Jake Hofer]

Are they in the same sentence? Like, no, they're not.

[Bob Crawford]

That's true.

[Jake Hofer]

If you're looking, he's an A list comedian for sure. I just feel like that goes without saying.

[Bob Crawford]

The reason. If you look at his movies, they. They don't do that great.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

You know, and this isn't a knocko.

[Gary Owen]

Get it? Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

But you don't think of Chris Rock, and you don't think of coming to America. You know what I mean? You don't think of Friday.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

You just like, what's his. I mean, it's probably. His famous role was Pookie New Jack City. You know Chris Rock from that? More anything else. So.

[Gary Owen]

But.

[Bob Crawford]

But the movies he's done and was the star. I don't think you hold him in the same regard as classic, quote, unquote, black lead actor comedies.

[Jake Hofer]

Like, he didn't do Dr. Do Little. Like, Eddie Murphy is an A list.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Actor, celebrity.

[Bob Crawford]

He's, you know, outside of the big mama's house.

[Gary Owen]

But he's the donkey and Shrek.

[Bob Crawford]

I didn't think about that. So maybe without his face, he's an A list. Wait, hold on. Like this. I forgot about that.

[Jake Hofer]

Chris Rock isn't the donkey in Shrek.

[Bob Crawford]

It's Eddie Murphy.

[Jake Hofer]

It's Eddie Murphy.

[Bob Crawford]

You're a liar. Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

What are you talking. I was like, hold on. You're not about to make me feel. No Eddie Murphy. It's Eddie Murphy. Murphy been Eddie Murphy forever.

[Bob Crawford]

Mike Myers, he almost got.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah, I know.

[Bob Crawford]

He really.

[Jake Hofer]

You really try to get that off.

[Gary Owen]

Chris Rock is not a Shrek.

[Jake Hofer]

No, that's Eddie Murphy.

[Bob Crawford]

That's Eddie Murphy.

[Gary Owen]

All right, we'll call.

[Bob Crawford]

Look at the. No, he was in the Animal one with.

[Jake Hofer]

Oh, the B movie.

[Bob Crawford]

He was in the Animal.

[Jake Hofer]

Jerry Seinfeld and Madagascar.

[Bob Crawford]

And that's the thing. That's probably his best movie.

[Jake Hofer]

Don't do that.

[Gary Owen]

Madagascar I Love My Wife is great. Longest Yard is a classic.

[Jake Hofer]

Gary down to Earth is great. Head of State is great. Great. Not. Chris Rock has great movies, just not A list movies, which. I feel like he would say the same thing.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

N. I feel like Chris Rock is A list, though, because all the A list celebrities know and love Chris Rock.

[Jake Hofer]

There's a. There's a lot of, like, just that A listers love that doesn't make them an A lister.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, but, like, that's different. Come on. I think I'm on the side of Chris Rock as a list celebrity. I don't think you could host the Oscars and not be A list list.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

I just don't. I don't see them going after B list people.

[Bob Crawford]

I think he's an A list celeb, but I don't think he's a list as far as, like, comedic actor carrying a movie. If I'm. If I'm a financier and I'm bankrolling a movie.

[Gary Owen]

He has a legendary.

[Jake Hofer]

This was my example, too, what he's saying.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm not. If you're asking me, like, Eddie Murphy, Chris Rock. I'm banking on Eddie Murphy.

[Jake Hofer]

He's not getting a green light. The moment he walked, like, walks into.

[Gary Owen]

Netflix in comparison to Eddie Murphy. Absolutely. You go Eddie over with Chris Rock if you box office and things like that.

[Jake Hofer]

So where do you cut off a list, then?

[Bob Crawford]

Because if you think about it.

[Jake Hofer]

Because to me, a list is walking to any network and you're there.

[Gary Owen]

You don't think Chappelle's nameless.

[Bob Crawford]

I know. What I'm saying is even Chappelle, when you think of comedic movies, take off half baked. The ones he was the lead in.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And that's by choice. Honestly.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

That's by choice. He chose to step away. You know, he had the Chappelle show, which we all know. But if you're looking at movies, you know, I mean, his Chappelle's catalog is. I would. Similar to Chris Rock as far as that goes.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. So you.

[Jake Hofer]

So Chris Rock probably has a. A way bigger movie catalog than Chappelle does.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm talking about the ones we remember. Yeah, Listen, I've been in. I've been in some duds. Yeah, I've been in some duds.

[Jake Hofer]

You've also been in.

[Bob Crawford]

That was really bad. When I watched it, I go, what was I doing?

[Jake Hofer]

What's. What's your top five worst duds? Worst being number one to five.

[Bob Crawford]

That I was In.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I ain't been a ton of movies.

[Gary Owen]

But Held up is not a dud.

[Bob Crawford]

No, of course not.

[Jake Hofer]

Held up is definitely not a dud.

[Bob Crawford]

I can't. On me. Because these directors might call me.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Set me up to not get any work. Who's dead? That's the worst. Here's the thing I say. I say, what's the worst movie? The guy goes, I was just.

[Gary Owen]

I was about to call him.

[Bob Crawford]

Okay, we're not calling Gary.

[Jake Hofer]

So dud. I don't mean. Mean by the quality of the movie. Similar with. With Held Up. Great film, but bad timing with the politics of Hollywood. Like, what were the ones that you were like, yo, this. This was it. And it did not.

[Bob Crawford]

The movie. I shot New Orleans.

[Jake Hofer]

That's why I followed you.

[Bob Crawford]

That was the one. I ain't lying. I got done with that. I go, oh, when's it come out? And here's where we got screwed on that movie. We came out out like a month after super bad. And it was dang near the same cast. We had a fat guy. We had a nerd.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, we had.

[Bob Crawford]

It was a. It was a coming of age movie, like, super bad. But it was three high school kids. They go to college for the weekend and they're like hanging out the frat. They're trying to join the frat, but nobody knows they're in high school. We just think they're freshmen.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And so I was one of the. The frat guys that was. That was wild. Just putting them through all the. So I got the. I got kind of like, let go on that movie. Like, Gary, just while out.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

Do what you want, kind of. So it was. It was great. I thought, it's dead. And that movie came out week one. We was 10th. I go, dang, we're 10 to 10. We're in the top 10. Pull up how much movie College made at the box office. It's like 2 million.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah. Then the years passed. You saw Jonah Hill and Wolf of Wall street was like, you know what?

[Bob Crawford]

I get it now.

[Jake Hofer]

Daisy movies.

[Bob Crawford]

In that movie was Haley Bennett, and she hadn't really done much, and now she took off.

[Jake Hofer]

Which one is Haley Bennett? Sometimes with names.

[Bob Crawford]

We made 6.2.

[Gary Owen]

The movie College, released in 2008, had a worldwide box office gross of 6.2 million. It s. Well, it had.

[Jake Hofer]

It has 7 million.

[Gary Owen]

7 million. So 800 in. 800,000 in the red.

[Bob Crawford]

That's. Yeah. If you finance, you're like, I didn't take a bath.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

I. Yeah, you could probably find a tax way to get out of that.

[Bob Crawford]

No, Haley Bennett probably was the biggest star out of that as far as like, she took off after that.

[Gary Owen]

Who's Haley Bennett?

[Bob Crawford]

You know, when you see. When pull her up, you'll see her. She's in everything now. Everything I hate.

[Jake Hofer]

Like, now that like where Hulu and Netflix will just like buy old movies, that they will end up on your queue and you start seeing stars now that I'm like, how this person was.

[Bob Crawford]

In this movie, like Bradley Cooper and Wedding Crashers. You're like, what? That you forgot he was in that.

[Jake Hofer]

I mean, he was a. A star in that. But look at her. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I know Denzel movie. She's worked with everybody now.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

What's the Denzel one where he was the cowboy and Chris Pratt.

[Jake Hofer]

Oh, what the is the name of that?

[Bob Crawford]

She's always got big roles in movies, but she's the one, you know, she's.

[Gary Owen]

Like luckiest man in America racing glory.

[Jake Hofer]

I mean, I think the kid from the 60s s crushed Happy Gilmore too. He did. Well.

[Gary Owen]

Don'T do that.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen, I liked him in the Entourage movie as well.

[Gary Owen]

I did too.

[Jake Hofer]

No, he was. He was really good in the Entourage movie. I just feel like with Adam Sandler's casting abilities, maybe we could have found somebody else.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, I think we. So, Garrett, it came out the other day that Tiffany Hadish and Jason Lee had have a baby.

[Bob Crawford]

I think it's a lie. I think we did the same one. We did the same thing four years ago. Pull up. Tiffany, Gary Owen. We held two babies up and said we just had twins together.

[Jake Hofer]

So. So you're. You're suggesting that I'm telling you. Watch, watch.

[Bob Crawford]

Pull up. Me and Tiff and we're holding babies. Boom. Way to take her idea like this.

[Jake Hofer]

So you're pretty much come up with that Jason. You're calling him Carlos Mencia is what you're saying.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, we even put like we was lying. We just held up like, surprise everybody.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah, no, I told. I told everybody.

[Bob Crawford]

I have a huge announcement. So happy to share with you guys who has her proud parents of twin girls. We have kids to take it long enough. Yeah, I just. I didn't even comment.

[Gary Owen]

Which is crazy at common. Sorry you had to find out this way, but love is love.

[Jake Hofer]

And also those are like new. Those aren't like newborns. Like maybe Common would have.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, those are newborns at all.

[Bob Crawford]

They're walking.

[Jake Hofer]

Did you manifest this to then have twins? The power. The power of Words, man.

[Gary Owen]

You have twins?

[Jake Hofer]

You know Wall's a twin.

[Gary Owen]

Yes, I'm a twin. I have a twin sister.

[Bob Crawford]

I was. I'm glad you said that, cuz I was about to say identical. No, I hate when people say that you're a twin. Like, yeah, it's my sister. Identical.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah. No, it can't. It doesn't happen.

[Bob Crawford]

That's impossible, by the way, cuz you.

[Jake Hofer]

Hate transgender issues, and that can never happen.

[Bob Crawford]

They're the worst. Really want to get the show canceled. Oh, my God. Make a decision. It's just.

[Jake Hofer]

Jesus.

[Bob Crawford]

You can't have both.

[Jake Hofer]

I mean, depending the porn you're into, I think you can also depending on the president. What's. What's been fatherhood like at this age? Because our. Our manager, Benner, has. How old is Grayson now? 12. Yeah, so he had a. A daughter. He thought he was done done. And his son was 10 and he had a daughter and was like. Him and his wife were both sitting there like, oh, gosh. I don't know if we're ready.

[Bob Crawford]

This is so easy with a nanny.

[Jake Hofer]

Oh, great.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, my God. I could have 40 kids.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

This is. People say, what's it like? I got a nanny, bro. Shit's easy.

[Jake Hofer]

There's another mom raising this.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Hey. They're crying, nanny, time to feed them. Every week when her money comes out of my account. Money well spent money. I don't ever say, oh, she's that much.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, that was worth it that way.

[Bob Crawford]

No, it really is. With a nanny. And it sounds so bad. No. My ex snapped when she found I got a nanny I saw at the airport about a year ago.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And we're cordial. We're cool.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

And I said, I. I guess, you know I got twins, right? And she goes, yeah, I heard. And I was like, you want to see him? She goes, no. I said, I know you do. So I just pulled it out.

[Jake Hofer]

Wait, is this a morning flight? Like, paint a picture of the day.

[Bob Crawford]

Atlanta, Cincinnati. Why was we on the same flight for Atlanta?

[Jake Hofer]

That's a wild flight.

[Bob Crawford]

That's what I was thinking.

[Jake Hofer]

Atlanta, Cincinnati is a weird flight.

[Bob Crawford]

So I showed her, and she sees this white arm and this white leg.

[Gary Owen]

Leg.

[Bob Crawford]

And clearly it's a female arm. Female leg inside. I don't realize. It's. It's that she's in the picture. She goes, who's that? And I go, the nanny. She goes, you have a nanny?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You have a nanny? She's. We have a nanny. I said, you met me at the Wrong time.

[Gary Owen]

You should have a nanny. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Should have met me now. Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Life is good like a man, too.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Josh, do we have voicemails?

[Bob Crawford]

You've got mail.

[Jake Hofer]

So we have people that listen to our show call in, ask for advice, tell a story. You know, just a way to close our show, which is usually entertaining because our. Our listeners live way crazier lives than we do.

[Bob Crawford]

Allegedly.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah. So, I mean, it could just.

[Gary Owen]

Allegedly.

[Jake Hofer]

It could be a bit.

[Bob Crawford]

What's up? Love the show. Everything y' all doing. Now, I've been talking to this girl in my job for about two months, three weeks, and three days. We smashed twice during this time. We text and talk on FaceTime and even go to sleep on FaceTime here and there. But we've never gone out. Not to the movies, out to eat, bowling, top golf, nothing. Anytime I try to set up a day, she always got an excuse. Like trying to find a babysitter somewhere.

[Gary Owen]

Mom's daycare.

[Bob Crawford]

It's always something every time.

[Jake Hofer]

Like that being an excuse.

[Bob Crawford]

Cold shoulder type. But whatever. So I haven't spent any money on her, per se, but I have sent her some money on two occasions which totaled about a hundred dollars.

[Gary Owen]

Just like a.

[Bob Crawford]

You know, congested, because we talking or whatever. It seems like me on the side now. I don't have a problem with that, but if that's what it is, I kind of want her to just say that. Does it sound like I'm a side to y'?

[Gary Owen]

All?

[Bob Crawford]

And should I say something to her about it? Because for the most part, I'm cool with that. But I think my feelings starting to get a bit more involved. And I'm not trying to overstep my bounds, sir.

[Jake Hofer]

I think she's trying to figure out if you're gonna murder her in her sleep. That was like a sociopath, perfect woman. Are you the Zodiac? Like this?

[Bob Crawford]

That woman's amazing. I don't know who she is, but she's amazing. She doesn't bother me. She don't ask for $700. We don't go out.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah, you trying to cause a problem where there isn't one.

[Gary Owen]

What is the problem?

[Bob Crawford]

What is the issue here, bro? Oh, my God, dude. Dude, if you see the messages I get or I got, it was never a hundred dollars. Oh, my God, dude.

[Gary Owen]

It's so. Like, he wrote that down and was reading that.

[Bob Crawford]

Hey, man, you know we smash.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Two times at work. You know, Chipotle, she's on the white rice, I'm on the brown rice. Sometimes we mix, you know, they'd be like, extra guacamole. I just put it in there. I don't even charge people, you know.

[Jake Hofer]

That added up to a hundred dollars. Yeah, he said they three times at 3.33pm What?

[Bob Crawford]

Get.

[Gary Owen]

We've been together for two months, three weeks and you got it down to that?

[Jake Hofer]

Like, felt like a ser.

[Bob Crawford]

All I got that call was it's you.

[Gary Owen]

It's not you are the problem.

[Bob Crawford]

It's you. Yeah, man, you are the problem.

[Gary Owen]

Even if you are the side dude. Play your part, man.

[Jake Hofer]

But I don't think he's the side dude.

[Bob Crawford]

I think she. I don't think she has to do. I think she got multiple dudes that was like, oh, no, I can't tell that story.

[Gary Owen]

Why? Tell her. No, please not.

[Bob Crawford]

Please.

[Jake Hofer]

All right, we have, we have a theme here. That everything was seven years years ago. It didn't happen at this time. It could be 14 years.

[Bob Crawford]

I'm not going to name names, okay? I had a friend that was sleeping with a girl that was also sleeping with a very, very well known athlete, okay? And he goes, I'm sitting here talking, he goes, man, I just found out my girl was sleeping with so and so.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

He goes, dang. And I go, I go.

[Gary Owen]

That.

[Bob Crawford]

That's not your girl. That's his girl.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, you know? Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

That if you're the side, you're the side. So let's not get this straight. That dude is not sleeping with your girl.

[Gary Owen]

You're sleeping with his girl.

[Bob Crawford]

Cuz I said if he dies. Yeah, it's on espn. There's a high school gymnasium named after him. And the funeral will be live streamed if you die.

[Jake Hofer]

Facebook post if you're lucky. 13 Comments.

[Bob Crawford]

I hate you, Gary. Why would you say that? I'll just make any. The story sounds better if I make a name up. So let's say like, let me think. Somebody's dead. I don't want Chamberlain, okay? Like, y', all, I just found out, my man. I just found out my girl.

[Gary Owen]

Everybody.

[Bob Crawford]

My girl sleeping with Will Chamberlain. He go, my. You know. And I was like, no, no, no, no. You're sleeping with Will Chamberlain's girl. Don't ever get that twisted. I was like, man, what are you saying? I go, that's just the truth.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, yeah. That's his girl.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

He's sharing his girl with you.

[Bob Crawford]

I was looking at him like this. You think really highly yourself. Just be happy you're in the mix.

[Jake Hofer]

And even if that's not Will Chamberlain's girl, that's still not your girl.

[Bob Crawford]

That's still not right.

[Gary Owen]

Absolutely. She's.

[Jake Hofer]

Even if that's Will Chamberlain's hoe, that's not your girl.

[Bob Crawford]

That Range Rover didn't come from you, by the way. He told me.

[Jake Hofer]

I was like, oh, yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

He breaking her off.

[Jake Hofer]

She lives this lifestyle for a reason.

[Gary Owen]

All right, Gary, you're special. Your YouTube specials out now.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

No s. Gary Owen, No s. You're at the City Winery here in New York this weekend. It's already sold out. This is Gary Owen we talking about.

[Jake Hofer]

Okay.

[Gary Owen]

Well, I mean, sold out.

[Bob Crawford]

Is. I used to add shows. I had like midnight shows. We had afternoon shows. Now.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

They'd be like, yeah, you want to add one? Yeah. Three o'.

[Jake Hofer]

Clock.

[Bob Crawford]

So the. So I. I'm at the City Winer this weekend, right? So we. We go Friday, Saturday.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

So we started with four, then we added a fifth on Saturday. And they go, hey, do you want to do Sunday? I was like, yeah. I went to the website. I go, where are we gonna put it? They go, two o'. Clock. I was like, yo, I got a freaking brunch show. But sold out. We'll take.

[Jake Hofer]

We did. We did the Houston Improv for a live show for our pod, right? So we were in Dallas the night before. Three of us did the show. We got off stage at, I don't know, after meet and greets and everything. Like fucking one a.m. after we left the green room. And we found out from our agent and team that we had a noon show in Houston. Houston Improv.

[Gary Owen]

So we went back to the hotel, grabbed our luggage, drove and drove.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah. Car service came, picked us up a half.

[Bob Crawford]

Right. It's not bad, dude.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah, but we wasn't expect podcast show. And noon is the worst thing that could ever exist.

[Gary Owen]

Houston Improv. I'm not a standup comic.

[Jake Hofer]

We doing a podcast at noon.

[Bob Crawford]

Just on stage.

[Gary Owen]

On stage.

[Bob Crawford]

So how does that work? I just ask you questions stuff.

[Jake Hofer]

No, we have like a variety show.

[Gary Owen]

We have like a whole variety.

[Jake Hofer]

Actually pride ourselves. I think we do have the best live podcast show by far. I think 85 south is up there as well. Well, yeah, we have a great show. Thank God somebody at the meet and greet, which by the way, was at 10:30am meeting the meet and greet before.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, I'll do it after.

[Jake Hofer]

We usually we go on stage late. So sometimes if people are going from work, maybe they'll miss the, you know, 7:38 and then we'll do it after. So we did all of them at 10:30 in the morning. And thank God, found out somebody that was currently cheating on his girl. So we FaceTimed.

[Gary Owen]

FaceTime.

[Jake Hofer]

FaceTimed her on stage.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah. What happened?

[Jake Hofer]

She forgave him.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. She was like, yo.

[Jake Hofer]

It was kind of weird how it went.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Like, she was like, yo, you know, I know he was cheating. You know, he was like, yo, I'm sorry. Whatever.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, my God. On the air?

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah.

[Gary Owen]

It was on stage at the Houston Improv.

[Bob Crawford]

You guys are wild.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, but it was.

[Jake Hofer]

No, it was his idea. Because I went into the crowd after he told us that in confidence, obviously, at the meet and greet. And when I saw him at the table, I was like, well, do you want a facetimer? Because he was.

[Bob Crawford]

Was.

[Jake Hofer]

He was supposed to go with her and then just disappeared and ended up cheating and hadn't been home yet.

[Gary Owen]

He was in the same clothes he was in the day before for the whole night.

[Jake Hofer]

He. He left. He left the girl's crib and went to our meet and greet.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

And he was supposed to go with her. He had a plus one. He was at the table by himself.

[Bob Crawford]

Oh, wow.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, Going on.

[Bob Crawford]

There's a lot to unpack there.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah, it was. It was cool, though. It made for a great conversation.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, I bet.

[Gary Owen]

Gary O. And no s available on YouTube now. Sold out to City Winery. Gary, man, thank you. It was a pleasure meeting you. Been a fan of yours for years. Loving everything that you're doing. And Held up is a classic. Don't let nobody else tell you anything different.

[Bob Crawford]

Yeah, it is.

[Gary Owen]

I love that movie.

[Jake Hofer]

Can you get Maul to sing the John Legend song? That's at the end of Think Like.

[Gary Owen]

A Man two nights.

[Jake Hofer]

He does the best John Legend impression of all time. I think it's the best way to.

[Gary Owen]

I don't know that song.

[Jake Hofer]

Two nights.

[Bob Crawford]

The. The best.

[Jake Hofer]

It's like you couldn't escape that. Give it to us.

[Bob Crawford]

I don't want.

[Gary Owen]

I don't want to break. He sounds like he.

[Bob Crawford]

I'll be.

[Gary Owen]

Do you like Jungle Legend? Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

I got a funny story on John Legend.

[Jake Hofer]

Here we are.

[Gary Owen]

I would love to hear it.

[Bob Crawford]

He. He, he. I like John Legend a lot. Don't get twisted.

[Gary Owen]

I do too.

[Bob Crawford]

But called the Macy's Music Fest. And it's like they bring all these huge artists in and it's a big festival. It's like It'll be like 6 A list R B artists, right? Well, since John's from Springfield Saturday night, he was the last one to go up. They should. They put him up after Charlie Wilson. Wilson so Charlie Wilson went up there and just is crushing. Right?

[Gary Owen]

Tough act.

[Bob Crawford]

And then he goes up there and be like, you know, I was on crack, but God delivered me. And mother's just crying, and he's like, you know, they want Uncle Charlie. Go, but I ain't going. Right? It's like, immediate. John Leslie just walks out, sits at a piano. We're just on the sounds like this. I understand he's probably the bigger name, but sometimes you gotta read the room.

[Jake Hofer]

After talking about crack and then ending with outstanding. It's very tough to.

[Bob Crawford]

It looked like bagels were getting blown out. You can see the cars on the bridge just leaving. I was like this. I saw that two times. I saw that with John Legend and Charlie Wilson. And then I saw Fantasia and Robin Thinner Thicke at the Tom Joyner family reunion. And their managers were literally.

[Jake Hofer]

Dang.

[Bob Crawford]

They're arguing backstage who should go last. And I'm hosting the show, and I'm sitting there going, if I'm Robin Thicke's manager, I. I'm not fighting this. Let Fantasia go last.

[Gary Owen]

Yes. Yes.

[Bob Crawford]

So Fantasia's out there. She's got her lip doing.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah. Kicking her shoes off.

[Bob Crawford]

Shoes off.

[Gary Owen]

Sweating. Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

In the audience, people are getting saved.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Jake Hofer]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

Like, I'm like, what is going on? And then she just gets off again. The crowd's crying everything. Here comes Robin Thicke walking the piano. You know what I mean? Like this. Oh, my God. It's just the energy levels different.

[Gary Owen]

Yeah.

[Bob Crawford]

You can't see. Here's what's funny. Two years later, I got another show. Robin Thicke. We're in Baton Rouge. Of all. We're in baton rouge on LSU's campus, Valentine's Day.

[Gary Owen]

Okay.

[Bob Crawford]

He must have learned from that fantasy. He was trying to dance. One point, he got on the piano. I go, oh, he learned something from Fantasia.

[Jake Hofer]

That's hilarious.

[Bob Crawford]

It was me, Robin Thick, and John B. It was like the white.

[Jake Hofer]

Put this together. The White soul line up. And I love John B. That is the sickest lineup.

[Gary Owen]

Valentine.

[Bob Crawford]

No wife, an audience.

[Jake Hofer]

I have to meet that promoter and shake his hand. That is the funniest lineup for Valentine's Day.

[Bob Crawford]

Valentine Bat Rouge. Get ready.

[Jake Hofer]

If you didn't think it was white enough, we got. We had a job.

[Bob Crawford]

No white. Thick.

[Jake Hofer]

If you put that whipped cream on that vanilla ice cream, we got Gary Owen Hol. If you did not want to tell your family you're dating a black woman and want to keep it.

[Gary Owen]

Oh, my God, dog, that's g. You.

[Jake Hofer]

Can take her here.

[Gary Owen]

I'M that nigga. He's just ginger. Gary. Thank you, my brother.

[Bob Crawford]

No thanks. No worries. Now. I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, a different type of podcast. You, the listener, ask the questions.

[Jake Hofer]

Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?

[Bob Crawford]

Were JFK and Marilyn Monroe having an affair? And I find the answers. I am so glad you asked me this question.

[Gary Owen]

This is such a ridiculous story.

[Bob Crawford]

You can listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jake Hofer]

I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Gary Owen]

Should you?

[Bob Crawford]

That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. So what happened at Chappaquiddick?

[Bob Crawford]

Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Jake Hofer]

And left a woman behind to drown.

[Bob Crawford]

Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Jake Hofer]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

[Bob Crawford]

You get your podcast. Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football.

[Jake Hofer]

San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team. We need to embrace this community.

[Bob Crawford]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the Flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart podcast.