Checking In With Peter Rosenberg

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL – Episode: Checking In With Peter Rosenberg

Overview In this engaging episode of New Rory & MAL, the hosts delve deep into the world of hip-hop media alongside legendary New York radio personality Peter Rosenberg. Released on July 31, 2025, the conversation traverses Rosenberg's illustrious career, the evolving landscape of radio and podcasting, notable incidents in hip-hop culture, and the shifting dynamics within the music industry.

1. Introduction to Peter Rosenberg The episode kicks off with Mall introducing Peter Rosenberg, affectionately nicknamed "Pistol Pete." [02:55] Mall highlights Rosenberg's legendary status in radio and his significant influence in the wrestling arena.

2. Maintaining Professional Relationships in Hip-Hop Media Rosenberg emphasizes his amicable relationships within the hip-hop community, stating, "[04:00] I think most of the very few people in hip-hop media, I've never had any problems." [Peter Rosenberg] He reflects on past minor disagreements, notably a misunderstanding involving a tweet about Drake, which he clarifies was never malicious. [05:00] Mall and Cipher Sounds shed light on this incident, discussing how it was a result of a miscommunication during a celebration abroad.

3. The Intersection of Radio and Podcasting Rosenberg contrasts his experiences in traditional radio with the podcasting world. He reminisces about Hot 97's dynamic environment, where playing music was integral to daily content. [09:20] He notes the unique advantage radio has in playing music directly, allowing for immediate callbacks and continuous engagement. [09:58] Discussing the shift to podcasting, Rosenberg acknowledges the differences but appreciates the in-depth conversations that podcasts facilitate.

4. Evolution of Music Trends and Radio Programming A significant portion of the discussion centers on how mainstream music has evolved, affecting both radio programming and listener preferences. [16:37] Rosenberg criticizes the current trend of producing music with brief, catchy segments tailored for platforms like TikTok, arguing that it diminishes the depth and lyrical quality of hip-hop. [19:39] He laments the loss of substantial lyrical content in favor of superficial hooks, making it challenging for true hip-hop enthusiasts to appreciate mainstream offerings.

5. The Case of Fabio: Rise and Controversy The trio delves into the intriguing case of Fabio, a young drill rapper with high-profile collaborations, who has recently been incarcerated. [24:07] Rosenberg expresses confusion over Fabio's rapid fall from grace despite his promising start and questions the circumstances leading to his current situation. [25:06] Mall provides detailed information about Fabio's charges related to terroristic threats, stemming from a confrontation over parking. [25:06] This segment underscores the precarious nature of fame in the music industry and how quickly an artist's career can be derailed.

6. Assessing Artist Legacies and Media Rankings The conversation shifts to media rankings within the hip-hop community. [46:28] Rosenberg critiques lists that include non-traditional hip-hop media personalities, emphasizing the importance of meaningful musical conversations. [48:41] He challenges the criteria used by such rankings, arguing that true hip-hop media should focus on substantive discussions about music rather than superficial popularity.

7. The Role of Personal Relationships in Media Influence Rosenberg highlights the significance of genuine relationships in media influence, particularly referencing his rapport with artists like Tyler the Creator. [57:10] He praises Tyler's consistent collaboration and trust, contrasting it with other media figures who may engage with artists opportunistically. [58:22] This segment underscores the value of authenticity and respect in maintaining long-term professional relationships.

8. Reflections on Public Figures and Accountability Towards the end of the episode, Rosenberg discusses accountability among public figures, using Hulk Hogan and Kanye West as examples. [91:33] He reflects on Hogan's controversial remarks and the complexity of reconciling his contributions to wrestling with his offensive statements. [103:01] The hosts debate the effectiveness of public apologies and genuine change, emphasizing the need for sincere accountability beyond mere words.

Notable Quotes

• Peter Rosenberg [04:00]: "I think most of the very few people in hip-hop media, I've never had any problems."

• Mall [03:23]: "Pistol Pete. I'm gonna call you Pistol Pete."

• Peter Rosenberg [05:04]: "Because for somebody like you to have this. Nice. Okay."

• Peter Rosenberg [16:38]: "And for me, selfishly, who, like I said, my focus is morning, so I'm not."

• Peter Rosenberg [19:39]: "And it's advertising business."

• Peter Rosenberg [46:28]: "It's extremely cool. No, it's."

• Peter Rosenberg [91:35]: "And he looked at each other like it wasn't a color thing. They were all brothers."

• Peter Rosenberg [103:01]: "I'm sad. I don't, I really don't like to define people by their worst moment or their best moment. Hogan is a super. To me, it's a complicated. He's a complicated figure."

Conclusion New Rory & MAL successfully navigates a multifaceted conversation with Peter Rosenberg, offering listeners an insightful look into the intricacies of hip-hop media, the impact of personal relationships on professional dynamics, and the challenges faced by artists in the ever-evolving music industry. Rosenberg's candid reflections provide valuable perspectives for both avid hip-hop fans and those interested in the behind-the-scenes workings of music media.

Transcript

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Rory]

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[Mall]

Okay, have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Rory]

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[Cipher Sounds]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Rory]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Rory]

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[Cipher Sounds]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Mall]

All right Rory, we are back. Episodes where we have friends, family, guests in the building. Today we are joined by somebody who was probably long overdue conversation.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Here today. Somebody who in my. In my perspective is a legendary. In radio. He's a huge wrestling personality. I think I'm a wrestling personality too, if you ask me some stuff.

[Cipher Sounds]

So I don't think to the degree of him.

[Mall]

Well, not to. Not to the degree of this guy, but classic, legendary New York radio personality, radio DJ Peter Rosenberg claps everywhere live to your audience.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maury. Ma. Thanks, guys.

[Mall]

Pistol Pete. I'm gonna call you Pistol Pete.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's been a minute, but I'll take it.

[Mall]

It's been a minute since somebody called.

[Cipher Sounds]

When did they stop?

[Mall]

Yeah, what year did they stop calling you Pistol?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It comes up periodically. You know what I'm saying?

[Cipher Sounds]

Young Jeezy to Jeezy. You just had to drop the pistol.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get it. You know, it was like, hey, guys, I gotta kill.

[Mall]

I don't do those things.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm an ESPN now.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, we gotta drop that. We gotta drop that. How you feeling, though, man? It's good to see you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I feel great, man. I feel great. Well, we've been talking for a minute about doing this.

[Mall]

Yeah, Rory told me he was coming on and he was like, yo, no, I don't. Pete's coming on. I don't know if you, like, Rory thought that me and you had a thing, and I was just like, yo, I don't have.

[Cipher Sounds]

It wasn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think most. One of the very few people in hip hop media. I've never had any problems.

[Cipher Sounds]

I gotta yell out the window. And somebody would have said, yeah, we have an issue like that guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I don't think ball ever. I don't think.

[Mall]

Never, never.

[Cipher Sounds]

See, because sometimes my memory is bad with podcasting for 10 years. Sometimes I forget about the little tiffs that happened five years ago that some people hold on to and others are like, I don't even remember anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did we have one that you remember?

[Cipher Sounds]

It had something to do when you gave Seif my number and his number for Scythe to apologize and we were like, we cool. It was some back and forth on one we didn't actually care.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was Siphon Mall. And it was also nothing.

[Cipher Sounds]

It was no, nothing at all.

[Mall]

Absolutely nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm proud to have that you guys be one show. I've never had any personal problems with whatsoever.

[Cipher Sounds]

Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, listen, I have. I'll tell you the truth, though. Maul has said some things. Clips have hit my timeline about you.

[Mall]

No, no, oh, okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His takes that. The aggressive part of me at times wants to retweet it and say something like flagrant.

[Mall]

Why don't you, though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because for somebody like you to have this. Nice. Okay.

[Mall]

But for somebody like you, I respect it, though, because it's never coming from a malicious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. It would have just been just related to Drake.

[Mall]

That's it. That's it. But I like having that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know you do.

[Mall]

People like you. Let's do it. I love that type of shit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I appreciate that. So I'll start doing it more from now on.

[Mall]

I appreciate that.

[Cipher Sounds]

I think we had one. One tiff because of Drake and Kendrick, that. That separated all of us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, we did. You and I had a.

[Cipher Sounds]

It was the night that I guess Not Like Us came out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was the night not like us.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, I was celebrating.

[Mall]

It was a dark and gloomy night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, you want to set this part of the conversation out. That was a bad night, ironically.

[Cipher Sounds]

That's what I said in the tweet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that crazy, though? That night, I literally know everything that happened in that night for me from like 7pm I know where I had dinner. I remember the moment I got it. I remember my initial impression. I remember you and I getting in the argument. Although. And after the argument, you did acknowledge you were drunk when we had this conversation.

[Cipher Sounds]

I was. It was my birthday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, you were drunk out of the country.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, I was in Mexico. It was my birthday. I had not looked, of course. I listened to every record that came out, but I was not looking at the timeline's reactions to anything. I opened my phone as we were leaving the bar, and the only thing I saw was Peter Rosenberg says. What is it, the colonizer line?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I quoted the line. I said, you're a. You're a. You're a blank. You're not a blank. You're a colonizer. You're not a colleague. You're a colonizer.

[Cipher Sounds]

And then I retweeted it and said, pete, I think we should sit this line out.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Cipher Sounds]

Peter texted my phone. Which fight was on that night. I thought Pete was fighting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So can I explain why? Yeah. So this. This is drinking, having a party, having a good time. Sees one thing and reposts it. Yeah, he's not thinking about the fact that as you remember very well.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Internet was so live at that point in time.

[Mall]

Oh, those three, four days, if you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Weighed in, if you wanted to see a tweet of yours, get 3,000 retweets for the first time in Your life. You just quote something again. So his little line, when I went and checked my ad replies, It's 900 people telling him, like, yeah, Rory, tell him to sit the fuck down. I'm like, my man, why are you. It was just a quote. No one had pointed out that I couldn't quote him. Why did I need you? What? I didn't need you. So anyways, it was nothing, but it was funny.

[Cipher Sounds]

And even. Because you know where I was at in Mexico.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

If you're not in that house, you don't have service.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

And we were out the whole time, right? So, like, when I saw, like, a bar, I opened Twitter. And it was the only thing I saw. And I was like, well, that's funny if Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I said that.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

And I just retweeted it as a joke, not realizing, like, yes.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Until I got back to Mexico City airport.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then he sees me just like, hey, fight for your life. What the hell's going on?

[Mall]

Pete fighting for his life.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In his mention, I was like, don't put me near. Because that was the Vlad night, too.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, I caught that later, too. The Vlad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Don't put me over there.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's not that. That's not what this was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I was just quoting. I literally just thought it was a good line.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

And even though this wasn't the case, the next one up, you and Psych talked about it and you both were like, oh, he was just trying to position himself to be one of the good whites and all that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I did.

[Cipher Sounds]

We had already talked about it, and obviously that was not. It was really just a joke. I thought it was funny, but I was like, that's fine. I deserve it. Go ahead. On one up than you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you. You know what? I appreciate you letting me have that one.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, but Rory's kind of like. In some ways, Rory is a bad white. A bad white. That's exactly what I'm saying. No, you're sort of like one. Like a youngin for me. Like, Rory is sort of. I've known him since he was first on the come up, and I've watched his whole thing. And you know what I'm saying? Like, I was on the radio when you were practically a kid.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you were a teenager.

[Cipher Sounds]

I was on the box you got on when I was probably 17, something like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, yeah. No, I had to give him a little pow, pow. You know what I mean? But it was hilarious. But that was an interesting time.

[Mall]

And for that, that whole moment, though, because you're on the radio side and we're on the podcasting side. It's similar, but a lot. It's still a lot that's different in those two worlds. What was that moment, though, like, on the radio side for DJs and personalities and programming directors? Like, that whole moment last year with Kendrick Drake, like, what were those buildings like on the radio side?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I can only speak to out my weird one specific, most specific situation in the world of Hot 97. For us, it was obviously, which is great because we had content every day. Like we do a morning show every day. I'd say we talk around out of our four hour show. We probably talk like 90 minutes, two hours a day, every day. So, like, when you just have something to do, it's fantastic. And it relates to music. And the thing that we have that most podcasts don't have have is we.

[Mall]

Could play the music, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So we could talk about it, run it back. Yeah, play it, come back.

[Mall]

That's the superpower that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is the superpower of, of radio. Unfortunately, when you post it, like, you can't have it anymore, but for those in the car, it makes for a really good listen. So that part, it was dope. There was some separation in terms of like, DJs who were like lining up one way or another. You know, some of the younger DJs, you know, were like, who like really grew up. And Drake is like their absolute goat. You know that as we would joke, you know, like my boy E. Styles, like the cats who were like uptown at hookah bars, like, they didn't want to hear no Kendrick riffraff.

[Unknown]

Right?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Give us more Drake.

[Cipher Sounds]

But like, Dominicans love Drake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is a fact.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, I'm sure they're Dominicans that love Kendra, but uptown, I will say Drake is extremely awesome. Yeah. You know what? Maybe it's just this.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. By the way, I'm mad. I just got my new phone. That didn't save my iCloud. May 22, 2024. This happened on May 4, 2024. I wanted off the aggressive text messages that Rosenberg sent me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sure he's like, well, listen, I got it.

[Mall]

I kept the fire.

[Cipher Sounds]

I think at one point I was asking, are you being serious right now? Because I didn't know if the aggression was a joke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think when you said you were. I think that's when once you asked that, I think is when I backed off, I was like, oh, he's really not. He's not he's not fighting with me. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't know what was going on, so. But to answer your question, Mall, like, I don't, I don't really know. Like, I, I, I don't. It didn't affect. From a programming standpoint. I didn't hear any sort of real, anything about it.

[Mall]

Energy was very different in terms of, in the office, in, in the studio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not in the office. You know what I'm saying? I'm in the morning and I'm done. I've officially become that guy. Like when I was, when I first started in radio.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was doing overnights in D.C. the Morning show host was Donnie Simpson.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The legend, the legendary doctor. When Donnie would walk out of the building at, at 10:01am to play his first round of golf of the day.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He didn't know a thing that happened after that. That's now me.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, I graduated from.

[Mall]

You made it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I'm done.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Y' all don't know me anym. I'm officially the morning show guy who's checked out. So I don't know like what level of politics was, was going on or how much it affected people. You know, we, as a station, we've been super supportive of both those artists. Obviously, Drake has his own. He's had his own issues with Flex. He's had his own issues with me. He's had his own issues with Ebro. Like, he's had different things at different times.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I think he would also acknowledge an immense amount of support. Like, he has been a core artist at Hot 97 now since the very beginning. And it's never changed. Like, even through whole thing, he had records playing through it, records playing immediately after it. I'm sure he didn't love everything that was being said, but like, it also didn't slow him down at the radio station. It picked Kendrick up. Kendrick had a huge. The amount of GNX we played surprised even me.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was like, we are really playing every song off of gnx.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, this is kind of crazy. It's early. That song is really aggressive.

[Mall]

That's aggressive. Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

We were talking with Graphics last week about New York radio specifically and trying to have more of a evolved conversation than the typical New York radio. Doesn't support New York artists.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If at no point it came up that I give him tickets to Summer Jam every year, the conversation wasn't through.

[Mall]

He didn't bring that up, though.

[Cipher Sounds]

He was suggesting, though, with this post year kind of to the conversation we're having. He has noticed that, you know, between like the Griselda movements, Freddie clips now coming out that bars are being a bit more respected on radio for sure. And I. I can't really answer that because truthfully, I don't like sit and listen to the radio like that, so I didn't know. Listen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just kidding.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm on my way to daycare. Listening to Baby Shark at the time you're on when you're on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We just need to stay up long enough for your daughter to age into can rock with some Hot 97. We're away. I don't know if I'm gonna make it that long though, so we'll see.

[Mall]

Nah, you will. Absolutely. What's tomorrow now? Four, three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, she's two. I'm about to say you jumped way ahead.

[Mall]

Holy shit. I thought Amar was like, at least.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way. That's so great. It's rarely goes that direction. Isn't it nice that she's younger than someone thinks?

[Cipher Sounds]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Mall]

I mean, I thought she.

[Unknown]

Wow.

[Cipher Sounds]

Last two birthday parties right in here. So I utilize the space, by the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Way, so I don't know if I'll make it, but continue.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm sorry. So when Graph was saying that, I couldn't really speak to it. Like, is the clips album playing on the radio right now? Is. I didn't know GNX was playing to the degree it was. Do you feel like the actual lyrics are back on the radio post this battle?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do think there's something that changed. There is clearly, like an interest in lyrics that has been affected by that battle. Like, I think the. The excitement about clips has. It's the perfect storm. I mean, yes, of course. God bless the rollout. It was an incredible rollout. But beyond that, you have Pusha being tangentially connected to the entire Drake Kendrick thing. Of course.

[Cipher Sounds]

Fair. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I really think a big part of it is, yeah, the bar was raised and now there are a million people who look even nerdier than Peter Rosenberg and Rory talking about a breakdown of lyrics that has become such a thing. And I do think that's extended to everywhere.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, I just didn't know if that made it to the radio. Like, I could see the clips playing there. And this isn't a slight to clips or amazing lyricist. I think Pharrell would be the factor there that that production is proven on radio already. Whereas, like, no drums. Griselda stuff may not play the Same way on Hot 97. The way a fully Produced Pharrell album for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I think from a production standpoint. Yes. I think also from a familiarity standpoint, that is important.

[Cipher Sounds]

That sound, even if it's a new Pharrell beat, it's still recognizing and even.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And even the sound of Push's voice. Like, these are things that are part of me. I think people don't appreciate that sometimes. Like when everyone, like hates radio. And I'm not saying, by the way, I fully understand hatred of radio in different ways, but I do think people take some things for granted. Like, why can't you just play an unknown artist with a song with no hook? That's like. It's like. Because that's just not what an audience would ever gravitate towards.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Cipher Sounds]

It's advertising business.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We are meant to retain people. Like, when I do work at espn, guys, I would love to show up and talk about national sports topic. Like it's. It's almost a joke at the radio station how much I check out sometimes on like local baseball topics. But guess what? That's what we have to talk about daily because bread and butter. The people in New York who want to turn on 8:80am and hear what sports talk is, they don't want to hear me waxing about what the commanders did last week. They want to hear about the Yankees. It's playing the hits, bro. And it's. It's always been radio. This made up thing of like back in the day, there's always been mix show at night or not always, but since we were kids. Mix show at night, during the day you're hearing the hits.

[Mall]

That's just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what it is.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

That's what I was trying to say to graph. Like, has it been that different? Maybe you just liked more of the popular music back then than you do now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that is exactly because, like, I've explained the.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, I loved Nelly. All the older kids I hung around that were like, I'm saying older, like 20 years older. Hated Nelly. Like, ugh, that's disgusting. Now people would say Nelly's a lyricist and it's classic. Like, yeah. So I mean, that's always been that way. Now I'm the guy that's 20 year olds older than everyone else going like, I'm cool with what y' all playing over there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Cipher Sounds]

It's the same thing, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, I think that there is something that changed in the last several years where the music that's popular and they play during the day is like the. The sing songy. Nothingness stuff I think really affects hip hop heads in this. Like. Nah, this is some bullshit. Things have changed, like in a way that's visceral. It's sort of the way it was around ringtone. Like ringtone. People were viscerally angry about the records that were playing 06 07. It is bad.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. Which again I get because at that time they probably. That was the only place they could hear music for the most part was radio or you bought the CD or a place you were going played it. My generation now isn't mad at the radio because I can just plug my phone in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Why does it matter?

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, I'm not angry at anybody. I. I can play what I want to play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well. And for me, selfishly, who, like I said, like, my focus is morning, so I'm not.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Which driving your kids to school time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like we're talking.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't care what we play.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I often. I. I'm still glad to this day that Ebro hasn't realized how he probably wouldn't want to do it because he thinks it would make us look bad if he ever said, let's play a game, Rosenberg. Tell us the name and artist of the song we're playing right now. Nothing.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm not proud of that.

[Mall]

No. I'm terrible with titles. The song titles. And I'm terrible.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But like 10 years ago, 10 to 15 years ago, certainly I would have known all of the artists off top.

[Mall]

Why do you think that's changed?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think finally, and I really never wanted this to happen. I did personally change enough. Like, I'm not going to blame the music. Like everybody tends to do. I have outgrown the mainstream. The most mainstream. And let me. Let me rephrase that too. When I say mainstream, I mean like the mainstream hits that come and go. Because really, if we're honest, the biggest hits are still the biggest artists.

[Cipher Sounds]

Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cole, Kendrick, Drake, Cardi. I know them. Right. But when it comes to all the stuff in between, you know, like eventually I knew Cash Cobain, but like, that takes time.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they have to last a little longer.

[Mall]

For me, if it's just one, one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Summer quick one, I don't remember.

[Cipher Sounds]

And has the same sound as a bunch of other records from a bunch of other artists that you're not even sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm not trying and I'm not. I'm not even dissing. That's what I'm saying. Like it just became not for me.

[Cipher Sounds]

And also, you have to think of the entire Switch in the music industry where, yes, some of the mainstream stuff. When I was in high school, they were trying to make dumbed down catchy records. Now they're trying to make 15 seconds that goes towards an app to be catchy, right? So it's even twofold of how shitty mainstream music can be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's so wild.

[Cipher Sounds]

Because now listen. Even like. Like Laffy Taffy has like three. Three verses on that. Like, it's a song. And people that were older than me hated that song, but it was a song. It just had to be catchy. Now you think I'm supposed to like something that's only cool for 10 seconds. That's supposed to be for kids on. On Tick Tock, right? I'm not a hater. I'm just like, this is not for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No Laffy Taff thing about Laffy Taffy. That would have really. That whole thing could have rang off just from the rant. Rant. That would have been enough.

[Unknown]

Yes, done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They made a whole song. They wouldn't even have to. They could have wrapped it up after 45 seconds. We all would have been better off.

[Cipher Sounds]

Knock a few buck. Just. Just the squeaks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's it.

[Cipher Sounds]

That's all you need.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like the shit that makes people run to the dance floor. I think now is the version of what TikTok is, like, that's blended together. If you were just at a high school party, at a club, at a bar, you'd hear that first note and go to the dance floor. That's all. Just now on TikTok. Yeah, it's the same thing.

[Mall]

Yeah, it's the same thing. Why don't we talk about somebody? I was thinking about yesterday and I was. I forgot that he was locked up, but I was thinking about, like, yo, he don't got a record out. I'm like, oh, shit, he's locked up. Fabio. We don't talk about Fabio. He's interesting to me for a lot of reasons, but he has. He's one of the younger artists, right? Drill rapper, if you will. He has records with. A record with Drake, a record with Kanye and Alicia Keys, and he's somebody we don't talk about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know.

[Mall]

Like, I didn't even know he was locked up. Like, I knew, but I kind of forgot. Just in thinking, like songs of the summer, you know, the energy. I'm like, damn, where's Fabio? How you put it? I'm like, oh, I forgot.

[Cipher Sounds]

He's.

[Mall]

He's locked up right now, but he's an artist. That was really Hot. Like, I'm had records with some of the biggest artists in the world, and now he's an artist that we don't even seem to even bring up in discussion anymore. Why. Why does that happen? Because I don't know many people that can say, I have a record with Drake. I have a record with Kanye west and Alicia Keys, and nobody talks about that artist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Favi is complicated for a variety of reasons, because he made. He did. And by the way, like, this is an awkward one, because I personally really like Fabio, but he did the whole Trump grift. See, I don't know jail, which is cr. Because I assume the whole Trump grift was to not go to jail.

[Cipher Sounds]

He was in the park in the Bronx or that was somebody else.

[Mall]

No, that was Chef G. And.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, no, he didn't do that. He did a record.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Oh, I. I'm glad you don't miss that one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You want to know the craziest? The Fabio Trump record's not bad.

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean, Fabio makes good music. Not bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's a straight up Trump is my president anthem.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He went. He went all the way.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Unknown]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I assumed it was because he was trying to work an angle of some sort.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Mall]

A pardon or something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And then he ended up getting locked up, and I didn't even really know what happened.

[Cipher Sounds]

I don't even know what he's locked up for.

[Mall]

I don't either.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But 5 is interesting also, because when he came out, he was older. A little bit older.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. Like, he was.

[Cipher Sounds]

He's my age.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, like, he was. But he got. He got on a little bit later.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

After pop smoke passed. But he really did have good records and has charisma. Like, he could rap. He's got charisma. He has an. His age actually was an advantage. He carried himself like someone who knew what he was doing.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. I don't. He. He did summer jam. Like we. He got support. Like, New York definitely was like, hey, absolutely. And then I. I can't quite put a finger on what happened there.

[Mall]

That is so hard.

[Cipher Sounds]

Arguably one of the best features on Donda. I think he caught the Kanye stimulus at the wrong time. Like, he last.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He got the last moment.

[Cipher Sounds]

Donda. There was still people like, yeah, but it was. Kanye was still Kanye when Donna came out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he.

[Cipher Sounds]

In my opinion, I mean, obviously, the three stacks verse didn't actually make the real album. You could say Fabio had one of the best verses, which is a crazy sentence to say. It's either Fabio or Jay Electronica who had the best verses on that. That album. He went crazy on that. And I think he rode the Kanye wave because then they got the Alicia Keys record and it was just like, you're putting all your eggs in the Kanye basket. And he was all over Donna, too. That didn't come out like. It felt like he dedicated his time to Kanye at a time he shouldn't have done that.

[Mall]

Like, that's interesting.

[Cipher Sounds]

You should have just stayed in New York and kept riding the New York way that you had. Because everyone loved Fabula because the feature.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On the album was so good.

[Cipher Sounds]

He went great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was the thing I played off of the album the most. And I love jail too. But then Kanye went even because he was already out of his gourd. But he clearly went levels beyond after Donda. And he was like, that was kind of where he had staked his flag and is like, this is not helpful. It's not doing what it should have done.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

And who knows? In people's personal lives too, because, like, obviously, again, I don't know that he went to jail, but clearly something was happening behind the scenes.

[Mall]

So Favi is in jail due to pleading guilty to a terroristic threats charge stemming from an incident that occurred on New Year's Day in Edgewater, New Jersey. The incident involved a dispute over parking. Woman claimed she asked the rapper to help jump start her car. Fabio allegedly pulled a gun on her and threatened her, stating, if I see you parked in front of this building again, there's gonna be a problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is one of those stories where the description does not feel complete, like there is more to who.

[Cipher Sounds]

There's not a single missing piece here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's exactly how it was. One of those times where someone goes, hey, can you jump my car? And you pull a gun out and say, I never want to see her again.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, you're in the middle of trying to jump the car.

[Mall]

So he. His charges include unlawful possession of a weapon and aggravated assault in addition to terroristic threats. As part of a plea deal, he pleaded guilty to the terroristic press charge. The other charges are expected to be dropped. He has been incarcerated since January and awaits sentencing schedule for August 2, 2025.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, so he's in jail and still hasn't been sentenced?

[Mall]

No. Yeah, that's why he's sitting in jail.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo, bro.

[Cipher Sounds]

If. If Kevin Gates was there, none of this would happen.

[Mall]

His attorney hopes for a probationary sentence, potentially allowing early release considering the time served. Yeah, I just thought that. That was weird. An artist that, you know, had all the momentum, all of the steam in the city at one time records with some of the biggest artists in the world and then now he's been arrested since the beginning of the year and we don't even talk about him. I just thought that was weird.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it is. I agree. I think the Fabio story is a bit weird.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. I can't quite put a finger on that. But I also wouldn't write it off yet either. Sometimes that back from jail shit. You know what I mean? That can be the set off you need.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

Just a little time to sit down and look things and you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what? That's. If you take that story at face value, like something just went. Left with an actual stranger. Yeah, that is the worst. That. That is such a. Like there are stupid situations, but that sounds horrible.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's the top of the list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the top of the list. You just.

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean, if he took a.

[Mall]

That could have been.

[Cipher Sounds]

Maybe his lawyer's telling him, like, come sentencing you'll get time served. Yeah, just sit till August and maybe it'll be over.

[Mall]

Yeah, but that's tough. Telling somebody to just sit down in jail till August is January. An artist like him who has all this momentum.

[Cipher Sounds]

Don't tell me to do the weekend in jail. So.

[Mall]

Well. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's just. That's just.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm not trying to downplay.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. No.

[Cipher Sounds]

Eight months in prison.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Totally get it.

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean, shit, Fetty is one of those two that. I am very confident that when he gets out, who's to say Fetty can't have another run? Tell me the music hasn't changed that much, that Fetty couldn't adapt to it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is an interesting one because Fetty's records sound like a million years ago ago. Like, I'm not saying he couldn't do.

[Cipher Sounds]

It 10 years ago. That was. That was summer 20.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you hear that right now, it feels like you are in a time warp.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mall]

So much has happened.

[Cipher Sounds]

It's because he owned that so much sound. So much. But to his melodic flow is still the same now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get it. But like the rep. Even long before he went away, he already wasn't doing anything of. I'm not trying. I don't want to come to situation.

[Cipher Sounds]

For a long time. That was a lot of politics too, with. With, you know. Which he spoke about briefly of just that run of like when you have 10 records on Billboard and. All right, can we slow down for a second to spread these out and work my actual records and album. We had 15 hits from them and then they were like, here's the album. Like, no, we've heard it everything. We have it all.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

And that's just a bad strategy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But some records just don't. It is weird. The line of really good song at a time and then one that lasts the test of time for me is fascinating to. To bring up Up Mall's favorite person in the world. Best I ever had to me sounds like when you hear it, you're like, this feels like a throwback. An intentional, fun, goofy throwback. Not like you really want to rock out and hear best I ever had.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You could hear Find you'd love or started from the bottom a minute later. And those songs sound like, nah, play it right now.

[Mall]

Right.

[Cipher Sounds]

It's just funny to me. I think best ever had is going past that. I think find you'd love speaks specifically to the 800 Ways and Heartbreak style. That sounds like a dated hit to me, not in a bad way, but it represents that time that would bring me to 09. Best ever had and started from the bottom, I feel like those could play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Start from the bottom, I think is forever anytime. Nah. Best I ever Had. There's something about the drums. There's something about the mix of it his. There's just something about that song to me that sounds like a.

[Mall]

It's a time.

[Cipher Sounds]

Again. And we've had this Drake conversation plenty of times. And this is our age gap there. I was a freshman in college when best ever had came out. So yes, the drums are not mixed. It's boy wondered finding a boom bap that still resonates with me. I look past the faults of what the mixing would be because it's a time. It's timeless because I was there. That's the difference, I think, with Best I ever had between our age gap, which I think plenty of people have with records.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It doesn't make you go like to wow, that's like. Like freshman year of college. It feels like, yeah, it should stay there.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, I like that time. Like you don't have shit that you know what else growing up or like in college or a specific time that just resonates with you for sure. Of course, there's can't tell me nothings. Like those are just for the rest of your life.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's just correct.

[Cipher Sounds]

But you can still have a timeless record that is from a moment in time that you liked.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Drake. It's weird. Drake to me has a lot of timeless records, but there are a handful of them from the beginning. Successful.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Best I ever had. I'm going in.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They all sound like. For whatever reason, it's. They sound off.

[Mall]

I get it. But I totally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then after that he developed a bit and everything kind of lasts to me.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

But it's not. Again, it's not a Drake thing. Maybe it's a blog era thing that I have my ears so trained to the blog era that absolute shitty mixes from that time because it's a part of my life I ignore. Like, put in crits first mixtape. They. They mastered that negatively. Like, I have to. My radio does not even go that high of how much that should play. But it still is timeless to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Cipher Sounds]

But it's. It was a shitty time.

[Mall]

People were just this big crit.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Cipher Sounds]

People were literally recording and putting out. Like, that was how bad. Cushion OJ doesn't sound polished. If you go back to it. Of course they've remastered it and put it on dsps. But goal is the one you have downloaded on your computer. It's gonna sound like best I ever had.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've probably never listened to Kushnojay.

[Mall]

You've never listened?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Probably not. How probably not?

[Cipher Sounds]

Go list. All right. Listen to od, the one that you downloaded.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That doesn't sound like ass. I'm sure. I'm sure.

[Cipher Sounds]

But it's still incredible music. Like, Even some of Section 80, our ears got crazy because technology got so good. It's so easy to mix and master a record now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'm not even with Bezier. I'm not even just talking about the mix. There's just something about it that sounds.

[Mall]

Like, yeah, he's a little dated.

[Cipher Sounds]

I get that sloppy boom bap record. I see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But no, but it's just. It's just more. Maybe it's just about Drake's development. Like, maybe it's the fact that he became so big that like, that was like just a different.

[Mall]

Everything changed about his voice, the way he raps, his ad libs, the music. Literally. If you listen to his first mixtapes or so Far Gone and go to what he just put out last year, it's a. It sounds like a completely different complete.

[Cipher Sounds]

This is a college dropout to Donda. Doesn't even sound like the same vocal tone.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, they're different people, bro.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If I have to have another argument with someone saying that Donda and even Donda 2. I've had thrown at me are classic albums. I'm gonna lose myself.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm not here to say that I enjoy Donda. Don't get me wrong.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It has joints.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

A classic. No, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You. Here's the. Here's. Here's the fact. When you decide to put out your album with 22 songs, you're right. No, the bad songs are negative on your album.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're not allowed to put out 22 songs. Twelve of them are bangers. And say you have a classic.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you could have if you subtracted.

[Mall]

10, if you took seven of those.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Off, but you didn't.

[Mall]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, like, that. That annoys the. Out of me being bootleg Kev. I've argued about this many times because he loves Don, and I. I don't know if he calls it classic, but, like, when I say, basically, Kanye's completely fallen off and turned to ye. He and other people will come. Come to me with Donda. And I'm like, when you're comparing that to the rest of his catalog, Donda's a brick. I know. It has a few great songs on it.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're talking about a guy who previously, I would have argued, had the highest percentage of great songs on albums of maybe anyone ever.

[Mall]

One of the greatest discographies ever.

[Cipher Sounds]

What one through six is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Even through Life of Pablo, which were. That's when he started to slip.

[Mall]

He started experimenting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys know my theory. You guys know my theory on this?

[Unknown]

This.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I have a really important theory on Kanye. The moment Life Apollo. About Life Apollo.

[Cipher Sounds]

He would suggest your people would. You're further proving his point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When my uncle and I were together at my synagogue discussing whether or not we should make this a hit or not, I was like.

[Cipher Sounds]

I was like, that's why Don is not a classic. If you want to get down to it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think we should let this black artist still succeed. And he said, no, I've had a no. I said, no, I like him. No. I would say this is the moment in Life of Pablo. I mean, we remember the whole rollout was a fucking mess. The album kept changing. But no, no, here's. If you want to pinpoint the beginning of when Kanye's losing his shit, it is the line, and she just bleached her asshole.

[Mall]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That song.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is an iconic, forever.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Piece of glorious music.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And in that bar, when you decided to start the song with, yeah, I just a model, she just bleached her.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you thought that was a good decision to do with a song that sounds that he lost. You've now lost. Honestly, it's a. I'm joking, but I'm not. Yeah, like, you've now lost your edge of like, what makes a song able to live forever. Yeah. Because now every grown up and Rory's gonna. We're both gonna have to deal with this soon as our babies get older.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now I can't play that in the car right now. It's like a immediate you can't even explain to someone. Yeah, I don't want my mom to hear it. I don't want my daughter to hear it. I don't want my cousin to hear. You don't want anyone to hear that line. What are you doing?

[Cipher Sounds]

Please find this footage, listeners. I think it was on the old Potter. It might have been on this one. I had this same thing. I was riding with my mom in the car, and the first record, Ultralight Beams. Beautiful. My mother's Catholic. Don't tell anyone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, that was funny of me. We were riding, and she loved that first record, even, like the chance one and not say my mom would be the. The gauge of anything Kanye related, but gets to the second record, she's on board all the way. And then when it gets to that part, my mom was like, why would someone do that? I said, bleach their. She said, no, why would you say that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo.

[Mall]

No, not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not do it.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, no, no. She was like, we understand why someone would do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Would you say they did it, though?

[Mall]

Why would you say they did?

[Cipher Sounds]

Because to get my mom even into certain hip hop is. Is a. A stretch. No pun intended. And again, not that it matters, but.

[Mall]

You want to play her.

[Cipher Sounds]

The hits rappers shouldn't even be trying to do for my mom. But since we were just in the car and she was vibing, I was like, wow. All right. Yeah, one for one with Ultr Light beans. We could. Why would someone say that? Like, it ruined the whole song.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The start of that album, Those two records is such a beautiful and incredible start to the album. And right when that line gets hit, I remember going like, no one was around to say, hey, bro, we should take that out. And like, obviously, Metro's young. You know, who's gonna be the person who says.

[Mall]

And not only that, not only is Metro Young Pete, but there's a thing, you know, you're in the studio with Kanye, you're kind of just like, I feel like he knows way more than I ever will. I can be a great producer. This is still Kanye West. Metro's probably like, he know more Than me. He got way more hits than I do. I'm not even though it probably was like a. Why would he say that? He's not gonna say that to Kanye, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And no one else around him is going. I mean, respect, respectfully, to 88 Keys or whoever else is around. No one's giving him that bit of advice. And it was a small thing, but then, like, as the album went on, Life of Pablo then starts to fall apart at points. It has. Then it picks back up.

[Cipher Sounds]

It's the middle. It's the three records in the midd. The one that Tyler wrapped on the freestyle four. It's like those three records where it gets odd, and then it comes right back to Chris Brown, and you're like, oh, this is the greatest thing I've ever heard.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Brown. You get to the.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. Rihanna's in the first half.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's. But that's the beginning of him starting to slip.

[Cipher Sounds]

And those lines were there. He always just packaged it around dope. Like, somebody should have tapped Kanye before when he said, dripping swag sauce. You dripping swagu. Somebody should have been like, yo, that was nasty. Like, come on, come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's a nasty bar.

[Cipher Sounds]

He's always had weird, cheesy lines. Fans his whole career, but they were always around. Amazing. So it's like, all right, whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But there's a certain line that you cross, and when you do it, it now just sounds like. I mean, listen, we're all hip hop fans.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For us to collectively think that something's crass.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You realize how crass it has to be.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, not many. Come on, guys. I've said this line that I just said to you guys. You could imagine to many other people in my life, not one of them has pushed back and be like, nah, that's a bar. Not one person has pushed back and said that.

[Mall]

Yeah. Nobody's fighting for that bar. Nobody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pretty chill.

[Mall]

Like, we don't get over. We not overly sensitive about a lot of things, but that one, we kind.

[Cipher Sounds]

Of look at each other, like, with the bleach on our. He kept his T shirt on because he wanted to be a clothing designer in the bleach shirt.

[Mall]

He wanted a tie dye shirt.

[Cipher Sounds]

It had to be authentic, so it had to be from, you know, her throwing her ass back. That's how you get the design with the bleach.

[Mall]

I totally understand it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you get it. We've been there.

[Cipher Sounds]

And also, a chick just getting an bleached and then is also hilarious to me. No, I mean, like she's let it dry.

[Mall]

She's a clean queen. Yeah, she's a clean queen.

[Cipher Sounds]

But I still believe that if Fetty Wap hopped on a cardi b tomorrow, it would go crazy.

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[Cipher Sounds]

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[Cipher Sounds]

The one person started with this.

[Mall]

I'm looking for getting their career back on track. The one artist is Max B. I think now we're in such a heavy, you know, before he went away, we're in a more heavily melodic rap time right now. And I think he's somebody that obviously created a lot of melodies that people still probably lend their, their, their talents to and use and sample. He's one of the artists that I feel like once he comes back and he starts to get his foot, you know, under, underneath him and understand the landscape, I think that he has.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the biggest question is going to be who is he moving with and who is help guiding the thing?

[Cipher Sounds]

All right.

[Mall]

I can't see much more like Drake putting, taking Max B under his wing and like, kind of like helping him in his first.

[Cipher Sounds]

While Drake is going to do that. He did it with Gucci, did it everyone. But I don't think that's the move for Max. I think he should avoid everyone that is trying to get around, no pun intended, the wave and focus on his personality and what he's doing, like anytime. Even with Bobby when he came out of jail and yeah, of course everyone wanted to be around him, around the Migos, this and that. That's great. But everyone's just using the moment of he's home to try to put a record out.

[Mall]

No, no, no. I feel like again, because somebody that raps and obviously melodies is a big part of their career with Drake, I think somebody like Max B in the studio with Drake and whatever producers that they have around them, I think that Max B picks up right where he left off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I think Drake is actually potentially a good call for him and it would serve both of them well in different ways. Right. It gets Drake working with someone with a lot of credibility who's cool and people fuck with. We don't want to see. We, we know we don't want to see. Is Max going to fuck with Kanye. We just had that conversation and we know Kanye has reached out. Like there's been something there that's not. Yeah, you could get caught up. Be like, oh, he wants to fly me out. But like, yeah, don't fall for the jet. You don't fall for the whole.

[Mall]

Don't fall for the jet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would want a free flight too. But it's not the move.

[Cipher Sounds]

That's more what I was saying of everyone is going to reach out to him when he gets out. And we've seen it with artists that get out there that hinders their career because they just start following every move that's happening out there because they've been locked up. They don't know no better. So it's like, let me get with the people that have been dominating. And maybe that's not what you need. No, you really need, like, maybe Bobby needed to go back and do exactly what Bobby not did before. But like, you had your own energy and your own wave. You trying to get everybody else.

[Mall]

It's a difference, though, to me. And Max is.

[Cipher Sounds]

I think Max could start a podcast day. Gets out and out of here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a great point too.

[Mall]

His personality is.

[Cipher Sounds]

Max, no matter what, has the personality like. But I mean, I don't know if he needs to just run and go with a major artist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's probably about finding want to do.

[Mall]

Well, that's number one for sure. The right management circle for sure. The complex hip hop power rankings, Hip hop media rankings came out last week, Pete, and we're top 10 and not 10 this year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Top 10 and not 10.

[Mall]

Yeah, we're not number.

[Cipher Sounds]

We're not number 10.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, good.

[Mall]

We're number nine.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, we're not number. We're not number eight either.

[Mall]

Not 10 and not eight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mall]

No, not seven.

[Cipher Sounds]

And hey, surprise. We're not number one. Yeah, I know you're shocked, but yeah. Did you, did you look at this list?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Cipher Sounds]

Neither did I, really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I did. The first year I decided. This is the first year I decided to go ahead and spare my fragile ego and not look.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I. And then here I have my friends to bring it up for me right when I get right on the podcast.

[Mall]

Well, no, I mean, I didn't look at it either. Yeah. And I did. I To, to, to your point, I didn't look at the list. Peach. I brought it up last week when it came out. I just saw. We was at. And that was that we went through it Monday and kind of just saw who else was the top.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I'll say this. So I didn't look at it this year, like I said, on account of protecting my. My own. Because like two things. One, I don't deserve to be on it because I don't do the things in the places that one would really do to be on that list. Because like my opinions in New York City radio, as you could tell by the list, that's not. I imagine if I were to look at it, that's not what's.

[Mall]

Shannon Sharp is on the list. You should be on the list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, fine. You're right. I should be on the list. So that's gonna be what my point is about the list though.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Endless and complex is great at getting people to talk.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I know this is now a point that's been.

[Mall]

We all get riled up over lists, you know, list. Like.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I know this is. I'm sure there's already been talked about ad nauseam. The thing that's annoying is the cats they put on aren't hip hop. Like, that's the thing.

[Mall]

So KADA is number one, not hip hop. Okay, great. Why do you feel like Kai is not hip hop?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because, like, has Kai ever done. By the way, this isn't sound like I'm dissing him. I'm not at all.

[Cipher Sounds]

I just, I just went through our last episode.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's. He's great. But like, has he. If you were to add up like 10 episodes of Kai Sonat, I wonder if he's talked as much hip hop as we did in the last hour. Talking about breaking down music.

[Unknown]

Okay, gotcha.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like there's a hit. Like we're having a hip hop conversation. You know what I'm saying?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like when Scythe and I do our, our little niche one up every week. Not every week. Sometimes we just talk about safe gallivanting the world with Dave Chappelle. But sometimes, like this week we are going out talking about the albums that came out, what we like, what we don't. That is a hip hop conversation. Kai Sonat, Shannon Sharp. Did they put Aiden Ross on the list?

[Cipher Sounds]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, so what's the difference? Real quick.

[Cipher Sounds]

So what's the difference? Essentially, I'm not going to read their whole breakdown, but it. Their criteria does sort of match the list, more or less.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, what's the criteria?

[Cipher Sounds]

The biggest one that I think validated Kai being on there the most is is this outlet where hip hop goes for rollouts and to break certain news and artists. And I can say with what Kai has done with his house and everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There'S been some roll out there.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, like some.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, he didn't roll up to Kai's house.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, no, but you know, Nikki did a whole thing there. Like, you know, Offset rappers go there often.

[Peter Rosenberg]

True.

[Cipher Sounds]

Is it hip hop media? To me, no, because they don't even really, like, talk about the music. They, they just have fun. Which I think is incredible. I just don't know if that's hip hop media. That's all. But by their criteria, I mean, I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guess, yeah, Kaisen, listen, what he's done has been.

[Cipher Sounds]

We are huge fans of Kaiser.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, I, I'm not gonna go that far because I'm just, you know, I'm not a liar. And I'm not saying you are.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, we really, like, really.

[Mall]

I love what we do. I'm not. But I'm not saying you are.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm not gonna go home and be like, all right, well, you know what? Let me tap into the Kai stream. But we have supported him for quite some time. I think every, I think him representing the new wave of media is the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Best thing that we completely agree is the one he doesn't get me mad at.

[Mall]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, I got. No, I just wasn't gonna say I'm a fan because that might imply, like, I'm tapping in.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But no, as a person, I'm a fan too. Like, he, I find him to be like, like more than inoffensive. Seems like a good person.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who uses platform well. And it's impressive. I just like, doesn't strike me as hip hop. And when I've looked at those things previously, they'll just be things that are like, I mean, they're just things I don't understand. Things that they label as hip hop that I'm like, just because this is a space where an artist occasionally shows up or literally, like, the host is black. Black. That is what your standard was for them being hip hop.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They don't need to. We're not getting into what they're doing one way or the other. Like, to me it just ends up being lazy and trolly. But that's why we're talking about it.

[Cipher Sounds]

So, I mean, ironically, I would never want Aiden Ross to be on this list. But by some of their criteria, you could make a case that for sure Aiden Ross has said more about. And I think that kid's a douchebag.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But be careful.

[Cipher Sounds]

Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because, yeah, their fans are Aiden Ross.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wild.

[Cipher Sounds]

Okay, so I think Aiden Ross is a douchebag. But if we're going off this, then Aiden has had more hip hop, where music has even been discussed than a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Lot of people he has some of.

[Cipher Sounds]

This, but I'm also complimenting him and like, all right, well, if this is the criteria, you have had hip hop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He has horrifyingly bad conversations about hip hop. They're awful, but they are conversations.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mall]

Like, so this is aiding at some point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. Like, I've definitely seen the clips move around of him saying some dumb shit about this artist or that artist with no background, no real interest. I was thinking about that earlier, bro. It is so fucking crazy. The standard by which, you know, if I felt like I was held to when I was emerging versus the lack of standard that anyone is held to anymore.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is so fucking wild.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, when you think about the things that I, like, got in trouble for early in my career, the issues I had with people, like, he. I can't believe he had the nerve to say that. Starships sucks right now. A proven fact in history, but at the time it was like, oh, my God, like, is that offensive? I don't even think he should be saying things like that. This is a problem. This is. Now you can literally move around and.

[Mall]

Say, I bleached her asshole.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Correct. In podcast form with no, no, no doing anything positive, no contribution to anything. Say whatever you want. That's n. Be hurtful, be hateful. And really, there's People will still go stand right next to you.

[Mall]

Oh, absolutely.

[Unknown]

People.

[Mall]

People.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, like, you could have right wing crazed right wing podcasts who interview the worst people on earth and then two seconds later, oh, they got hip hop. People sit right next to them, blah, blah, blah. No problem, no problem. It's just there's no standard whatsoever. Which, back to the point about Kai Snot, which is why I like the fact that Kaisen not. I don't see him stand next to really any bad.

[Cipher Sounds]

His positivity. 99.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's pretty cool.

[Mall]

It's hard not to like him as a person.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, I think he's very positive with the streaming thing. Plaque Boy Max, I. I think he's the best representation of hip hop media.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now tell me who that is.

[Cipher Sounds]

He. All right, so he's. He streams. He has this in the Booth series where he'll actually make records with the artist in real time. He's done it with up and coming artists, he's done it with famous artists. Like, his platform is hip hop for real. That's dope. He's at number four and he just smokes the streaming period. He's taking a little break. But I mean, to me, that's been the best merge of Streamers versus real hip hop media before.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's his name?

[Cipher Sounds]

Black Boy Max.

[Mall]

Black Boy Max.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, he's actually making records on that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's. That. That, to me, sounds like something that's super deserving of being in the hip hop media conversation. But they're weird, like, complex. You know, sometimes they'll throw people in who are like, legacy. Like, whose names I'm not going to mention because.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, save it. I'm already getting killed on the Internet. Like, they'll mention what I probably think you're gonna say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I don't even know who's on it. But my guess is I've seen them throw legacy names on, and I'm like, why did they get the leg? Why didn't I get the legacy? If you were just gonna toss someone in because they have not had a hip hop conversation in God knows how long. Yeah, you know, just do a little bit more work, man.

[Cipher Sounds]

And, you know, quickly, not to repeat what we talked about last time, more or less. I said, if we're gonna put Legacy in the top 10, then clear all of us out and put Angie, Sway, Big Boy. Like, if you're gonna put legacy, then just make it legacy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You already have.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, just throwing a legacy in the mix in a top 10 situation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that. Oh, that happened this time?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. It's just like, all right, well, then put Angie there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, if we're just gonna be putting people on. On the low.

[Cipher Sounds]

All right, it's Sway number two, then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, this. This whole thing is the dumbest. When you really do think about it, like, this is literally. It's. It's brilliant and dumb. Simultaneously, they get all of the people. People who are on the list to talk about the list, and then all.

[Cipher Sounds]

The people that are not on to talk about it as well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. So it's amazing. But, like, we're ranking media personalities. Okay. We are the only space that does weird like this.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We rank rappers. We need rappers to fight with each other. We need to rank.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, but I mean, with each other.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, what the are we doing?

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, I don't do that. Complex used to do the 23 best Jordans.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's true. This is their brand. This is their brand.

[Mall]

Yeah, this is definitely.

[Cipher Sounds]

But I mean, I guess. I mean, that's all. That's why we love hip hop in the battle space. And turns to us having arguments and ranking that you don't think it's going to happen in podcasting. Like, it's just going to fold over into everything else that's attached to hip hop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, listen. And if I was on the list, I'd be fine with it, but I knew for a fact wouldn't be.

[Mall]

So you just had Tyler. Tyler the creator. You just interviewed Tyler the other day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many people on the list had Tyler this year, though? Anyways, keep going.

[Cipher Sounds]

Actually, I. I'll. That is give you your flowers. Who has the most Tyler interviews in his history?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, definitely me. Has to be.

[Cipher Sounds]

And what do you think the difference is? Like, because you probably have what, like, 12?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I don't. Probably had him with. I probably done it three or four times with Ebro, and then I probably had him, you know, three to five times prior. That the difference with what? With him.

[Cipher Sounds]

So it's probably you and then Nord Ward at like three. Something like interviews. And then like everyone else maybe as.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he does. He's not. He said he does. Like, he. He. Stop. He doesn't want to really do print very much, and he doesn't like being misquoted. And I think he just. He doesn't love the idea that clips get cut out of context. Yeah. And he trusts us and we have great conversations. So.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. I mean, I meant to say, even when he. When I saw that he came on this week, it didn't shock me, but I was like, tyler, really with Rosenberg? Because he does not do this. And he. Every album continues to come right to y'.

[Unknown]

All.

[Cipher Sounds]

And let me not say y', all. You. Because I remember being back then when Ebro was like, this is weird. Get this away from me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Cipher Sounds]

And he showed up on, like, maybe the second or third one when it was uk Fox and Scythe. He popped in cuz Odd Future was catching some noise. And I'm like, oh, now E wants to show up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why are you going to remember the whole history?

[Cipher Sounds]

But no, it's a compliment because I can't think of another artist and interviewer that has had that type of relationship at the caliber of artists that Tyler is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's nice.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, that. That's crazy that that's not brought up more that he continues to come back to your show every single time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I truly appreciate that. I truly appreciate them. It's Tyler and Clancy. And, yeah, Clancy reached out when I was gone and said they wanted to come in, and I was like, I'm on paternity. And he was like, well, you're gonna show. We need you to show up. If you. If. And I was like, what kind of asshole would I be? I don't have. I Don't have a lot of the le. You know, people. He's like a guy who's entering leg. Yeah, please, we need to have a conversation. So, no, it's super flattering. And honestly, like, they are literally among the only people who, no matter what has happened at every turn, hey, we're coming to town. Do you want to go to the show? Like, you know, And Rory knows me very well because he's listening. He listens to my shit. He's heard my complaints over all my years. Like, I am. I am beyond a sensitive type. And so that. It goes a long way for me that, like, they remember, you know. And I asked Tyler in the interview, do you remember our first interview? All he remembered was that it wasn't in the radio station. It was in a hotel lobby.

[Cipher Sounds]

Which is crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, like, I saw them, you know, on the Internet when people started seeing it. But I remember the first time I saw the first Odd Future video I saw. I remember it having under 50,000 views. And then I remember, like, it very quickly having like 500,000. A million. And I hit it very, very quick. Quick. And then six months later, whatever it was, they had that show in the city.

[Cipher Sounds]

It was at Highline or Santos.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think it was a Highline.

[Cipher Sounds]

Highline. And when I went, I went with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Benner, and that was the one.

[Cipher Sounds]

They were terrified.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And everybody was there. Like, it would. They went from, like, nothing to, like, Paul Rosenberg was there. Yeah. Every. Someone from Bad Boys, everyone from every. This is the time when that was still happening. And.

[Cipher Sounds]

And they were all petrified.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, everyone's like, because. Because everyone kind of bought the odd future gimmick. Like, it felt like, oh, my God, these guys are, like, dangerous. That's what made it so fucking cool is that, like, these dorky kids, sort of suburbanite LA kids, like, really created something that hit so solidly. But, yeah, I was into it from day one. They did my birthday. Mad times. Like, imagine what I paid Tyler versus what he's getting for a show today, bruh.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And one of my birthday, I was looking at a picture from my birthday party. Tyler performed.

[Cipher Sounds]

That was the one that we shot, right. At a Best buy, Sony, whatever, PlayStation where the shit is called now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, Well, I too with them at PlayStation.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or. But then it was Best Buy. Yeah. Tyler was on the bill. SZA was there. Frank Ocean was there. Like, it was literally the who's who was about to become like it in music. And it's crazy. I was watching the video and I saw the Age of The kids in the crowd who. Don't get me wrong, I was already much older than then.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like I was in my early 30s then and they all felt like kids. And it's just funny now to be 13 years older and so the distance feels that much bigger between me and kids today. Although the weird thing about Tyler is he still continues to get these high school kids. Like he gets older like Tyler. I think Mac Miller is similar.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Time goes on. Teenagers still right there.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like they become coming of age music.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're now like once you discover you love music.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going to find Mac Miller. You're going to find swimming.

[Cipher Sounds]

Cole is great at that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

J. Cole too. They keep continuing to get. And it's like. And I think, you know, now Kendrick seems to be in a younger space than ever too because he's now done this popular. The popular thing as well. But. Yeah, but Tyler in particular, like in terms of popular with the kids. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's very cool. No, it's. I'm grateful that they still want to talk.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, I mean here's the dig portion of it of the flowers. Tyler's usually so innovative. It's crazy that he keeps coming to.

[Unknown]

You.

[Cipher Sounds]

Which speaks human being. You are because. No, I'm serious. You know, Tyler would want to find some new way to do interviews or whatever. But still comes to radio and to you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Isn't that innovative though? Yeah, like isn't that innovative?

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean everything comes are back. Everything. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go in a radio.

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean clips did I. They call an old school rollout. I guess. Yeah. And by the way, everything comes back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We missed the clips like so we were all off when the clips. We were. We were. We were part of that as well. But missed it. But like so do we. Yeah, but I'm trying to get. I'm trying.

[Cipher Sounds]

We had a scheduling conflict.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what the inside joke is here. Was it that they didn't call or.

[Cipher Sounds]

All of our fans have been considering. This is the first time we've even acknowledged it. All our fans keep asking why the clips didn't come here and I don't know. We didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It just didn't happen.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

I thought we push on dm. Like just didn't happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, I, it's, it's. I, I'm. I got to tell you, I'm really happy they didn't do your show also. It's nice to meet one other person in media who they didn't do yo, this is like the collective of the people who didn't talk to clips on the.

[Mall]

They feel like they talk to everybody though they were on a roll out. For real.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's.

[Cipher Sounds]

Which I wasn't offended by though. No, no, no, no.

[Mall]

I'm never offended when people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I wasn't offended at all. Cuz I love them and I, I've been in contact with them. I wasn't offended. I did. So I push before and I felt like left out. There's a difference between feeling left out and being offended.

[Mall]

Well, it's. I've been both that, that. Absolutely. I have too. But there's also the thing because, you know, in watching a lot of the interviews on their rollout, I'm like, damn. But it's shit that I would have asked. I know that some people didn't ask or maybe they were told that they shouldn't ask, but you just always feel like there's a conversation that you could have specific with an artist, like a Tyler, that if you see Tyler somewhere else, you're like, he's not gonna have the conversation that he would have with Rosenberg. He's not gonna do that. So it's the same with me sometimes I see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course. And, and, and by the way, there also aren't that many people left that like. And I think you guys and I probably aren't that far off in this way where like we really would want to talk to them and have a lot to talk about.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There aren't that like the clips are probably as popular and hit all, all the touch points that we'd be interested in. There aren't that many of them that are going to go do it too. You know what I mean? But like, I really do think it's innovative that Tyler does as our show as media.

[Cipher Sounds]

And like, I see that point like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is, you know, like Drake's thing has always been embrace who the next media person's gonna be and go be there.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tyler has gone complete opposite of like, I don't do it often and when I do it, I do it with people that I trust.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, it doesn't matter because they're gonna. Your fans are coming to find it either way.

[Mall]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like the Breakfast Club has a, has a bigger, clearly a bigger YouTube presence than we do now. Whoever gets Tyler doesn't matter which platform his people are going to find. So you might as well go a place where like you're going to feel comfortable, have a good time.

[Cipher Sounds]

He's done three or four Nard Wards. Like his fans are going to learn more about him in a Nard Ward interview than they would at if he sat with Kai.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Cipher Sounds]

More or less. And not a slight guy. But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, but of course like that it makes perfect sense. And like he's. He feels at home there. Like he. Tyler showed up up dumb early, got there before me, was there dumb early and stayed dumb late. Like he feels good.

[Mall]

He seems like that type of person though. Like he still has that in him where you'll see him in the most random of places and he'll just be chilling for a few hours. And you like Tyler, you have nothing to do. Like you just here just kicking it with us. Like okay, bet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I can't. You know, it's so, it's so funny. I can't even gauge like how Tyler is perceived because I've like watched it so closely from the beginning. It's like hard for me to even fully see.

[Mall]

Grasp it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, like that. I know know he like he's a superstar.

[Mall]

He'll go outside and cause pandemonium for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I. I was outside with him for a minute the other day and talk quickly. I'm like, oh, wow. And he doesn't even look like himself.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Honestly, his look right now with the mustache and trucker hat, he doesn't even look like Tyler the creator. I drove by him at first, I was like. And yet, you know, he gets stopped by everybody. Like he really is like that.

[Mall]

What did you think about the album though? Cuz we spoke about it. I didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard you not like that was the first thing I heard about the album. Album was that Mall didn't like it. Really. That was the first thing I saw.

[Cipher Sounds]

From the west coast, which was a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good setup for me actually because I did like it. I. I need to spend more time with it. It doesn't feel like it's going to be chroma copia to me or something. I'm going to sit around with all the time. It feels like a moment in time, a vibe of feeling and like it's going to have like a few hammers that last. Yeah, I think Ring Ring Ring is awesome. Like it's going to have a couple of records that really play.

[Mall]

I would like Ring Ring Ring if we didn't have no Kia.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why. Why can't they both occupy?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. I just feel like they're not as.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I feel people, I don't think are they. People think they're that close.

[Cipher Sounds]

I only like really caught was when I saw Twitter comparing them so much, I was like, I didn't.

[Mall]

Cuz I like that vibe, but I like it. I feel like I would like it more if I didn't hear Nokia this year a couple months ago. You understand what I'm saying?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What is it that people think is so similar about it?

[Cipher Sounds]

I couldn't figure it out. I just saw the whole.

[Mall]

The vibe and energy is. Is. Is kind of similar.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, I know, I understand that with Boost, I like, I don't really see the comparison between them at all, but.

[Mall]

Not compare. I'm not comparing them, but I'm just saying I just feel like because I've heard Nokia, we've got that vibe. I feel like if we didn't have that and I heard Ring Ring Ring, I would like Ring Ring Ring way.

[Cipher Sounds]

More as opposed to like songs that have. Even though it's not sampled. Like, I've had the original record and the sampled record and I like both of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not only that, if you really think about it from like a DJ standpoint, like back in the day, it's cool when you have records that kind of like you play them together, like you.

[Mall]

Can play them in a set.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, it's every Neptune's record for two years straight.

[Mall]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That were basically felt like they could have been the same beat.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Mall]

But other than that, I just didn't. It just. I didn't. It didn't connect to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, listen, it's. I understood what you were saying. Like, even though I didn't feel the same way, I got it. Like, it's a specific thing. He said his sweet spot's like 123bpm. I don't listen to a lot of stuff at 123bpm that often.

[Mall]

My life is way much slower than that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, exactly. But like, I just. I just love to me, when you start getting into that status of like, you have seven, eight albums, whatever it is, at a certain point, it's about. Did you add a couple of songs to your concert list?

[Mall]

Oh, yeah. You're just creating the live show at that point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he added a couple more.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that.

[Cipher Sounds]

And I mean, I. I've lived with it. It's still probably at the bottom of his discography, in my opinion. But I like it when I'm not in traffic. That was the. I was going down the west side of highway and I was like, all right, you know what? I really do like this. Try to talk me out of it. And then I Got to. You know that like right by Chelsea Pier where usually traffic start. Once I said I was like, turn this off.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

It's too fast. Like when I'm even cleaning the crib. I liked it. I have to be in the right setting for it. Which is not a copying a plea on the album.

[Mall]

See, but I'm.

[Cipher Sounds]

I don't like. I don't like when people try to find excuses. I'm not finding excuse. I like this album in an environment that is moving. Moving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So this is what you guys do. See, this is the problem. This is the thing about you guys being actually popular. Okay. Everything you say is analyzed to the point that when you give a critique on an album.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If it's kind of like mushy middle.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You getting called out for it. Yeah.

[Mall]

They think I hate Tyler. Like, they think I hate him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm right because you were just.

[Mall]

Like, it's not like this last album. Like, it's. It's the craziest idea that somebody can't like Jordans. I have plenty of Jordans. Is some that I would never even look at.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Mall]

I fucking hate them. Doesn't mean it's not probably the most greatest, most iconic sneak of all time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that you don't have tons of them. But this is. This is the. This is the problem. This is. This is. This is what makes it what you guys do. Challenging where, like, people really are weighing in, like, because it. Cause that's not what music is. A Thursday to Friday. I don't even. Come on, bro. Like, I need more time with that to even give a possible review. It is so rare that I truly know after a day. Day where I sit on an album I've changed on. And I don't know if you heard on the podcast when I did my. My breakdown of the. Of the clips at the listening, but I'm like, I can't give you a full review of the listening.

[Mall]

What do you think about it now, though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were four feet in front of me, rapping along to every word. Oh, yeah.

[Mall]

Like that. It's weird. Yeah. You can't. You can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's literally. The artists are looking at you lip syncing into your face, performing.

[Mall]

They're performing for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're two of the greatest of all time. And I'm like, I'm not affected by that.

[Mall]

Of course I don't know the song.

[Cipher Sounds]

There's only been one. One time I was correct leaving an album. Listening was good, kid Mad city. And we were in chunking Studios in the engineer. That's how intimate it was. And it was Kendrick rapping the album to push a T. I left and said, this is the greatest album I've ever heard in my life. And then only time I've been right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you were like, this is actually pretty close.

[Cipher Sounds]

Ended up being that there's been so many listening sessions I've walked out of like. Nah, he got, he got one.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

And.

[Mall]

And then they come out.

[Cipher Sounds]

You like those I listen to was like, oh, he was rapping it to my face. That's what.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And some of the songs. Songs. Some of the production, they play so loud.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you're not. You're like, okay. But then when you just hear it in regular life, you're like, this is beat as a dud.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mall]

It's not hitting the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I, I, I think the album's great.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, I think the Clips album is best album this year. Best out. I'd have to go back and decide how far back we want to go, but I've been seeing that some people have cooled on it a bit. Like, ah, we got so hyped. Or I saw someone say, say the other day, oh, this Freddie Gibbs. This is what people thought the Clips album was. People just got gassed on it because the rollout was so big. Yeah, the album's fantastic.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, it's, it's among their best work. They've come. They've clearly developed.

[Mall]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I mean? Like, as much as we like to joke about the coke bars, it is true that at a certain point, that can't be all. Like, you do. You do have to truly evolve. And not that they didn't always have other stuff in there, but they've now they've mastered the other stuff.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like the first record on the album. Album is one of the most touching songs I've ever heard anyone.

[Mall]

I just hate that they started that.

[Cipher Sounds]

I love that they started with that.

[Mall]

That emotion is so heavy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Mall]

It didn't take me into chains and whips. I'm still crying, I'm still wiping my face and change the whips comes on like. I just can't. That, that emotion switch to me is. It's just too drastic is all. But I love the record, though.

[Cipher Sounds]

That's supposed. You're supposed to feel that way after a repass. All right, man. We grieved. It's time to move the on in life. Come on.

[Mall]

I guess. But that's just a weird way to start an album.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You see you see it being like a 7, 8, 9.

[Mall]

If it's 14 tracks. Give me that at number 12.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I feel you. I feel you. By the way. See, this is the point. We were just talking about, like, who does hip hop podcast? We're talking about track listing.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean, we do this every episode.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what I'm saying. If you're not talking about track listing.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are you even.

[Mall]

Not even a hip hop podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you haven't got overused sequence.

[Cipher Sounds]

I don't want to talk about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have a sequencing conversation.

[Mall]

What are you talking about? What are you even talking about?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We could really get into a conversation about how many people are actually doing the true music conversation. You guys have real music conversation, which I respect the hell out of.

[Cipher Sounds]

I just feel like if you put that at the outro, like you just leave the album.

[Mall]

Not outro. Not outro.

[Cipher Sounds]

Oh, in the middle, though. I don't know where you would put it.

[Mall]

12, 11, 12. Right there.

[Cipher Sounds]

Don't make me sad in the middle of it. Let's, let's. And when I say get this out the way, I don't mean it in a bad way. I think that song should win a Grammy. But yeah, let's start this way. Two brothers talking about their parents passing. And then let's get to the.

[Mall]

I hated that Stove God didn't have a verse on that record.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the.

[Mall]

The hook is amazing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the hook is basically a verse. It's so close to a verse because that.

[Mall]

I know what he can do with that much space.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Truth.

[Mall]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. And we are. You and I are clearly part of the.

[Unknown]

The. The. The.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Stove God contingency.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm a huge fan as well. The verse would have been amazing. And I had the same thought, but for. For a lot of people. And let's be honest, most people came that out, don't know who Stove God is. Right. I think they came away more familiar with him because he's the hook. One verse. It's cool, cuz he can stunt on you.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the. The. The hook is what you're saying.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like they got. They probably come away feeling more connected to Stove God because he did the hook.

[Cipher Sounds]

And when we were talking, when I said that, I felt like Stove off the last three west side projects has turned into like the Griselda, Nate Dog. Like his hooks on all of West's projects. Like those are the standouts.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like his melodic is crazy. But I'm still with you. He needed a.

[Mall]

He's the one guy.

[Cipher Sounds]

Politics also you don't know his situation.

[Mall]

No, no, I get it, but he's. He's one of the guys that I'm waiting to sit and talk to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's.

[Mall]

I got a lot of questions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why were you just fascinated with him as a. As an mc?

[Mall]

Oh, no. I mean, that's the easy part. But there's a lot of things around him as an artist, artists that I. That I know and that I look at, and I'm just like, yo, what's going on, man?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's had an interesting journey to getting here, too, that.

[Mall]

The journey is like, fam. What is going. What's. What's up?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, I think I was first. I think the first time I. I ever heard Stove God. Busta sent me the link to Stove God.

[Cipher Sounds]

That makes sense. Yeah, he was with Rock and everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was the first time that I heard him. He sent me, like, Stove God and Praya at the same time. Okay, that sound right?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what I.

[Cipher Sounds]

Cause Reasonable Drought was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was reasonable drought 2020.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Mall]

That came out, I think, a week after we went on lockdown, like, the 26th or something. 27.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Mall]

And we went on lockdown the 15th. March 15th, something like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he's.

[Mall]

He's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's fascinating. He's dope.

[Mall]

No, I love him. I just. I just. His journey has been incredible, but there's a lot of things. And, you know, I want to know about the dynamic between everybody.

[Cipher Sounds]

By the way, Stove, to me, is the one out of that entire. I don't want to call the Grizzlies scene, because it's more than just that. He's the one that I think can actually break out and be a superstar. I know it sounds insane, for sure, but sticky.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That makes sense.

[Cipher Sounds]

I really think he would push the boundaries of that genre and be the first Superstar, I think.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Superstar. That's a tough word. Superstar is a lot. That's a lofty. Where do we start the line at Superstar?

[Cipher Sounds]

Well, don't get me started, because I actually contradicted my. Myself, because I don't think Chris Rock is a superstar. But, yeah, he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I remember that.

[Mall]

Is that not some of the craziest you've ever heard?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was a tough moment for me. No, it was a tough moment, and.

[Mall]

He was, like, standing on it, stand on it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But hold on. There was part of it I understood.

[Mall]

What part did you understand?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Didn't he say something? Like, if you saw him, you wouldn't be like, oh, my God, like, what was the.

[Cipher Sounds]

What was the cross There was a couple different points, but one of them being that, like the pandemic. And we saw him and added him to one of our tour videos because he just happened to be standing right outside there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He carries himself in an unsupersar like way. I will say that, like Chappelle Superstar gives when he shows up, it's like, like you can see the hubbub around when Chappelle walks into a place. I don't think Chris does that, but I, I, he's still a super, like.

[Cipher Sounds]

I still think Chris Rock is a super comedy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, he is in comedy.

[Mall]

I think Chris Rock.

[Cipher Sounds]

They were trying to. He was an A lister in the world. Comedy. Are you about to tell me? No. Chris Rock is a superstar in comedy, okay? He's the status quo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, he's, he's, he's, he's a list for sure.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm saying. But when you say put Tom Cruise and Chris Rock, they're in the same sentence.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Cipher Sounds]

What's wrong with being a B lister?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, but, oh, that was what it came down to, using the word B. But B list has a feeling connoted with B list. B list. List. He's never.

[Mall]

You can't host the Oscars in B.

[Peter Rosenberg]

B list. Yeah. I think B list is tough.

[Cipher Sounds]

Okay? So that's, that's okay. So because Shane Gillis hosted the espies, he's in the same esp.

[Mall]

Is not the Oscars.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, the esp. I love espn. Have I told you guys I love espn?

[Mall]

Yeah, Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Love company Oscars.

[Cipher Sounds]

Shane, though. That was hilarious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I, I have, I've had a lot of mixed feelings. Feelings about Shane. I think it wasn't hilarious. It had, it had good moments.

[Mall]

Okay?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It had good moments.

[Cipher Sounds]

I thought the awkwardness in the bombs made it even funnier.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So some, sometimes I agree. What annoyed me was people. You can't tell me someone killed. Don't say they killed. If there's not great laughter in the room, that's not killing. Okay? It might be innovative and interesting and brilliant and it went over their heads. You can't say they killed when I hear, like a glass drop in the background.

[Mall]

Even if it's awkward, it's like, even.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If it was intentionally awkward, he was paying homage to Norm McDonald. That's great. But like, at the time, just because other comedians all, like, love what Norm did, that doesn't mean he killed at the time. Okay? God bless the dead. It's interesting, but it's not killing.

[Cipher Sounds]

Superstar. A list killed. Yes. I would not say Shane Gillis Killed. I would definitely thought it was very funny. Oh, I thought it was hilarious. But no, he did not kill.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, my, my problem kill is, is.

[Cipher Sounds]

Everything he did plus everyone falling out of their seats laughing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. Exactly. So, so Shane Gillis to me is super talented. And, and I see why people really like him. Okay. Like I, I, I do like he, he has moments that I think are really funny. His snl hosting the sketches he's in like Shangulus is good. Furthermore, I, because what this is going to be relevant what I, with what I say afterwards. I think he seems like a good dude. Right. I'm not, I'm not. I don't think there's some air that I don't like about him.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

However, however I do think he is among the comedians who a lot of their that they're doing right now is the funny comes second after. Watch me push this boundary. Okay.

[Cipher Sounds]

And I don't think that at all about Shane. I think the comedians he hangs out with. Yes, but I don't think that's Shane at all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that was that night, bro.

[Cipher Sounds]

That was pushing the boundaries.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh my. There was, there was a bunch the. Are you going to tell me that saying that Carl Anthony Towns is here. Hey girl is like a great joke? Like I left. Well, you did because you're a shit talker. I'm not saying like if someone said on the corner we'd laugh at it.

[Cipher Sounds]

It's not Richard Pryor.

[Mall]

No, no, it's not Prior, I get that.

[Cipher Sounds]

But Also it's the ESPYs where no, I didn't want him to give me a full fucking one hour special type of bit. Like the point of hosting a show is quick, quick hits, quick punchlines of who's in the crowd. Crowd. Yeah. I didn't need him to give me a Richard Prior cooking freebase cocaine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no, fair enough, fair enough. Right. I, this is, I want everyone to bear in mind this involves complex thought and nuance. So this isn't very Internet.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Again, I think he's a good dude. I don't think his intention is bad but I think a lot of the like, oh my God, I'm a white guy and I'm going to say this joke about black people. While we might think it's funny and laugh because it's a good joke and we appreciate it that you cannot deny a certain part. He knows it's appealing to a certain crowd that is giddy to see a white man make jokes about Black people in 2025. That edge we're Fighting back against the wokeness. It's baked in there and he knows it's working. I'm not saying it makes it all not funny. I'm not saying I'm offended by it, right? I'm saying I'm just saying I see it and I, and I see everyone doing it like oh my God, look, can you believe I'm willing to say. Now listen, compared to the other ones out there, the Hinchcliffe's, the Schultzes, the Blup, he's way more talented, way funnier and I think could probably have an entire career where he doesn't do it at all. But he is doing it and it's winning for me.

[Cipher Sounds]

I think that's authentic to Shane whereas like maybe Ari Shafir will sit and think like what can I do that would offend a person at this exact time, time of who should be attacked that is being protected.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is more sincere.

[Cipher Sounds]

I know. I really think Shane is just, just a big white guy from Pennsylvania and this is exactly how he thinks and I think he balances it perfectly. I don't think he, he picks a specific group. I think he. No I goes at everybody and does it in a pretty tasteful way. Even when he makes, even when he calls somebody gay. Like it's funny but, but it has some tasteful and there's a background behind it more or less.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just, I guess, I guess my feeling isn't. Again, I know when people hear this they're just going to call me a. And I can't take a joke. I don't think anything's funny. All it's, it's a, it's a, it's a false narrative that the only way to be edgy is to be white and make jokes about minority groups. You know what I'm saying?

[Cipher Sounds]

Like I agree with that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go watch Ricky Gervais at the Golden Globes five years ago. We can talk about edgy.

[Mall]

That was crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that was. But no one, but no one gets bent out of shape about that because he wasn't a white guy with the audacity to make jokes about black people or gay people. They might be in there but that wasn't what it was aimed at.

[Unknown]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

His reality, Shane was knocking people in Hollywood and talking about the Epstein and Weinstein. So like no one talks about that because that doesn't get white middle America going.

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean Shane made a Epstein joke in the SB he did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was very. And that, that was a funny one. That got crickets. And now listen, part of that is let's be honest, guys. Athletes don't all have the best sense of humor. Yeah, they don't. I mean, I'm sorry. It's a tough one.

[Mall]

Athletes very rarely know more than anything outside of their sports.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, like, when it get. Starts to get kooky, they don't even know.

[Mall]

Not until they start to retire do they get into other things, other areas. But when. When they're young and entrenched in their sport, they don't everybody.

[Cipher Sounds]

Gilbert Arenas.

[Mall]

No, I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why I love. That's why I got into wrestling, frankly, because athletes. I found athletes to be often boring to interview. And then wrestlers are amazing because they're athletic, but they're also actors and they're also crazy. So they're crazy. They're in. They. They want to perform.

[Unknown]

They.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They have a lot more to give you than just like, I'm really.

[Cipher Sounds]

Wrestlers have to be athletic and. And entertaining.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And entertaining athletes. You could be the most boring.

[Cipher Sounds]

Boring as fuck.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Like, Kawhi Leonard comes, sit right here for two hours and not say anything, and he still can go out and be the best in the world.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can't do that if you're a wrestler.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, no. This question. How do wrestling scripts, like, come about? How do they decide, like, who is going to be the champ?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's funny you asked that, because they literally just dropped a show two days ago called Unreal where they're peeling back the curtain for the first. Like, truly peeling back for the first time. I mean, it's. It's a. It's a process. It's a writing team. I mean, it starts with Triple H, essentially, as the. As the Chief of Content, the Chief Content Officer. But then after that, it's a writing team and then producers and wrestlers, and it's a long process.

[Cipher Sounds]

Is it like Hollywood, where, like, all right, somebody may be talented, they get one shot, and if they do really well, I it that. All right, let's put them in more movies, for sure. Like that. Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Cipher Sounds]

I wasn't sure if they just pick somebody like, all right, this is going to be our guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

More often than not, something organically happens first. They have a moment like that in the show that just aired where they go up to J uso. Triple H goes to Jey USO and is like, hey, you're catching fire right now. And J is like, huh? And he's like, this is right before the Royal Rumble, which, for people who don't know, the Royal Rumble is big battle royal with everybody in it. Whoever wins gets a match at WrestleMania for the title. The week of the Royal Rumble, Triple H goes to Jey USO and is like, we're about to put the rocket on your back. And Jey Uso's like, all right, all right. And he's like, everything you've ever wanted. He doesn't say what it is. He just says, everything you ever wanted. Are you ready? If I put the rocket on your back, you cannot fumble the ball. It's time. And James was just like, I got you. I got you. They dap and walk away. He never says you're winning the Royal Rumble. He never says you're going on to win the title.

[Unknown]

Right? Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's clear that moment is like, are you ready for it?

[Cipher Sounds]

That's how YouTube conspiracy theorists think the Illuminati conversation goes like, are you back?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Are you ready?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Uncle Slow Sacrifice Deciding on what happens in the music industry.

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[Cipher Sounds]

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[Jacob Goldstein]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Mall]

So into wrestling. We lost the iconic Hulk Hogan just this past week. And you know, naturally people went online and brought up the whole Hulk Hogan is a racist and the things he said in regards to who he would want his daughters to date. What, what is your position on that thought? That Hulk Hogan is a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Should white women date black men?

[Mall]

No, no, no. But here, here's why, here's why I ask you, because I saw, I saw an interesting, I saw an interesting clip of Booker T. Yeah. And somebody asked him if they felt if he felt like Hulk Washington, Booker T. The wrestler.

[Cipher Sounds]

Okay.

[Mall]

And somebody asked him if he felt like Hulk Hogan was a racist. And, and if people don't know Booker T. Hall of. He's probably in the wrestling hall of fame. Legendary wrestler, 60 year old black man from Louisiana.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, my, my dude.

[Mall]

Let'S just, it's just fair to say he may have experienced racism at some point in his life, I guess. So if somebody's talking to Booker T. About Hulk Hogan and do they think he's a racist? I'm gonna listen because this is Booker.

[Peter Rosenberg]

T. Who spent, who worked with him.

[Mall]

Spent personal time around him for years. And the story that he gave about Hulk Hogan and he was like, you know, he may have used the word around me one time, but he said Hogan used it because they were using it with each other. And he looked at each other like it wasn't a color thing. They were all brothers. And he said, Hogan somebody, I think macho man asked him, hogan, do you think you're. Or do you think something like that they were at the cafeteria or whatever Eaton and he, he was like, well, if I am, I'm a cool. Like that. Like, it was like they didn't. The word didn't even mean anything because he knows the man. He said things that Hogan did for him on a personal level, how he was with his family and things like the man that Hulk Hogan was. He said, absolutely, I don't think Hulk Hogan was a racist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was that, that, that was this week after he passed.

[Mall]

This was after I heard it after he Passed. And, and he was kind of. I think he was speaking as if Hogan had passed. So this was a real recent interview. So I just thought that that was an interesting perspective because again, here's somebody who knows this man who knew Hulk Hogan, the man, not the icon and the wrestler, knew him behind the scenes, away from the cameras. To me, that's what really speaks to a person's class, personality and things like that. Like, okay, if I hear a clip of you saying, I don't want my daughter Day to know. No, if she does, you gotta be 8 foot tall or $100 million, whatever the fuck you say.

[Cipher Sounds]

When he wasn't in the cafeteria with the fellas.

[Mall]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he.

[Mall]

But what I'm saying is, away from that, again, here's Booker T. Black man from Louisiana. Spend way more personal time around Hogan, who has his perspective. Like, no, I don't think Hulk Hogan was a racist. So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it's, it's, it's a very. It's a super interesting subject. Again, not one that lends itself to, you know, short clips on the Internet. I, I think that the Hogan tape was about as bad a tape as I've ever heard released of anyone. Sex tape. Not the, not the, the. Not the sex tape was worse. That was the really offensive part.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My man. You're gonna. Anyways, let me. I got in trouble.

[Cipher Sounds]

Everyone's going through a tough time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. But, but the things that are said on it certainly hurt me.

[Unknown]

Me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm just a white guy who is offended by racism. Right. I'm obviously not a black person. I have a lot of black friends who love wrestling who, like, I can tell you right now, it really hurt them, like in a long term, fucked up their childhood. I have so many positive thoughts about this person. The words were so hurtful and they. And I think all of us who were hurt by it, it collectively wanted that moment when he really took like this clean ownership of it.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because he had moments where he apologized. Just to be clear. He did, he did. But it always was kind of this air of like, I messed up. That's not me, brother, I swear. Yeah, it wasn't the Clear, I hurt people. What I said was unacceptable. And I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and show how much I feel bad by X amount of work in the community, by giving out turkeys on Thanksgiving, literally, I'm gonna give literal money time. I'm gonna go with Young Jeezy and give out turkeys in Atlanta. Whatever. The thing is, though, like, we could laugh about it, but, like, you gotta do the things.

[Mall]

Whatever it is. Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And, and by the way, to me, the main thing was. And I, I, I, I used the word on my show last week. Eat. But when I say eat, what I mean is, that interview couldn't come looking at a white woman on Good Morning America.

[Mall]

Like, he did it right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He had to go on a black platform and look a black person in the eyes and have that conversation. In my opinion, that, to me, would have really went a long way of having that tough conversation with a person who was hurt by it.

[Cipher Sounds]

And that never happened the way Furman and Oprah did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Mall]

Put it. Exactly. That's it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was thinking about.

[Cipher Sounds]

Went Great, great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was thinking about Mark Furman and.

[Cipher Sounds]

Oprah because that's the craziest interview I've ever seen in my life.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't, I don't even remember that YouTube that tonight.

[Cipher Sounds]

That's the craziest interview of all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yes. Oprah's like, I was really offended. And he's like, why would anyone think I'm racist?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo. So, so, so precisely. I think, I think because those things didn't happen, a lot of people are still very hurt by that. And I really think everyone has the right to be as hur. Something is there.

[Mall]

I just thought that Booker T. Perspective was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But is it? Here's my question. Is it consequential? My dad used to always say to me, I always admired Howard Stern's radio acumen. Obviously, like, a lot of the bits that he did were offensive and not for me. But I learned a lot of what I do in terms of being transparent, always being honest on the air. If it's funny, you say it. If it's good. I learned a lot from him. My dad never fucked with him for a variety of issues that he heard him talk about. My dad. My dad makes. Well, my dad decides. He decides. Didn't like him. And I remember being like, but, dad, I've heard that he's a really good guy. And my dad was like, it doesn't matter. It only matters what you put into the world. Him. You. Being a good guy when you're private at home is kind of inconsequential. What are you putting out to the world? And so, unfortunately, I think that what Hogan ended up putting out to the world was so bad in that moment. Moment. And never quite atoned for in a way that satisfied people that, I mean.

[Mall]

To be fair, he didn't put that up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. But he.

[Cipher Sounds]

He sued Gawker it also wasn't being a good guy in his home at the time either.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It didn't seem like. Although I don't know what the hell the situation was. That feels like the whole thing was weird. I don't think that was as simple as it sounds.

[Mall]

Yeah, no, there was some. There's something going on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There was some weird going on.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

But, yeah, I mean, either way, that was said behind closed doors about somebody's daughter was trying to date, like. Yeah, that's as home as it gets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, oh, oh, that part.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, absolutely. Listen, I'm. I'm sad. I don't. I really don't like to define people by their worst moment or their best moment. Hogan is a super. To me, it's a complicated. He's a complicated figure.

[Mall]

He.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's the reason. He's a major reason that it's such a big part of my life. He's.

[Mall]

I mean, it's. If you grew up in the 80s, he is the reason you watch wrestling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's, like, yeah, you were. So, as a kid, there was something. I saw some bad takes this week moving around, by the way. There were some. I saw some people just like. Like, there are so many takes you can have about Hogan that are interesting, like talking about the race stuff, even asking the question you asked. Because, like, obviously Booker has the right to feel the way he feels. I know black wrestlers who certainly do not feel that way.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, like, it. It totally depends. Everyone has their own right in a moment like this, but some people just lazy takes about him. Like, at the very least, it's worth looking at. I heard some people say he's the most American thing, and I think that's a really interesting way to put it. He, like, he had all the potential in the world. He made a ton of money. He stepped on people on his way. He didn't take ownership of the. That he did wrong.

[Cipher Sounds]

He.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He then pretended like it was all good. Let me sell this beer. Like, it's all super American.

[Cipher Sounds]

He's. He's the Dallas Cowboys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He is the Dallas. Like, it's all of what we are.

[Cipher Sounds]

It does represent America and its faults and its positivity.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. It makes you feel good at the same time, cringe. Like it's all. All there, but, like.

[Mall]

But a legend nonetheless.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I. I personally separate him a bit. Like, guys, listen, Kanye west is an avowed Nazi at this point.

[Cipher Sounds]

Didn't he take it out of his rhymes last week?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, what about the Hail Hitler song?

[Cipher Sounds]

Is that still out? You talk about old. Come on. Like, literally, like, two days ago. Wasn't he in, like, North Korea or some?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he changed lyrics.

[Mall]

He moved. He moved to Japan, I believe. Right? Is he in?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no wonder I heard Japan's about to start restricting their visitors.

[Cipher Sounds]

Line and flashing lights.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What was the left flash?

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm not gonna say either of the words that are in that book.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. I don't. I don't remember either way. I was gonna say this, though. Kanye west is basically a Nazi at this point. And if my man had a good apology tour and just didn't say shit bad for, like, six months, I would be playing the shit in the crib again. Like, we want to forgive. We want to forgive the people whose stuff that we love. Like, I don't want to. I don't want to hate Kanye. Like, people think I get pleasure out of when I have to call his shit out. And, like, you think I get. You know, I bought tickets to his concert. Like, I didn't just. Most everybody I've seen for 15 years, I got comps for.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Kanye. I forked over money to go to concerts. Like, I'm a. I was a fan. I bought the sneakers.

[Cipher Sounds]

The biggest artist in my life, period. I was from 1990. He is the biggest artist in my life.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In your personal life. Yep. Yeah. None of us want to be mad at that person.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, when I. When they asked me to go to fucking Wyoming, me, I. I wanted to go.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And my brain, I'm like, oh, man, this sounds cool. People just hang out and listen to music.

[Cipher Sounds]

Get to meet Campfire, which hang out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With Kanye and Dave Chappelle.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he would. He'd already gotten on the weird, and I was like, I can't go. This guy just said the slavery was a choice. And this is before the Jew even started.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, like, I take no pleasure in that. And my point is, it's the same with Hogan. I just wished. Even though Hogan. They're different, but it. I just wish it had been cleaned up. I wish when he passed, I didn't have, like, a feeling of mixed feelings. I wish I just felt sad.

[Cipher Sounds]

Are you asking if someone just goes on a press run after and apologizes? Like, the way Kramer went on?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I'll tell you what.

[Cipher Sounds]

Camera.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A hell of an apology recently, though.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm saying his first one, when Jerry Seinfeld. Who was he on with Letterman. Was that Letterman? And. And Kramer zoomed in before zoom was a thing, and he said I offended some Afro Americans, and we're like, Kramer, this is worse.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stop what you're doing over zoom. Oh, I'm talking about a recent one.

[Cipher Sounds]

No, no, this was right. No, this is right after that that footage leaked.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know what he ended up doing though? The Kramer literally disappeared for the better.

[Cipher Sounds]

Part of 10 years and then did Curb.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then did Curb. And then when he came back. Now I saw an interview with him like a year ago. He put a book. He put a book out or something. He literally now talks with like a whole different tone. And like everything he says is like, he did ayahuasca.

[Mall]

I think he did ayahuasca.

[Cipher Sounds]

So I'm saying he had a reset. Kramer was not my example. I'm saying, is he supposed to just Kanye Hulk Hogan if he was alive, just go on a press run and be like, I didn't mean it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Cipher Sounds]

And then it's like, oh, no, no, you good?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm. I'm being a little tongue in cheek when I say that. I would want it to be like. My point is though, even Kanye where it was about. Because by the way, people are always different about their own group versus everyone else. I'm just trying to point out the Hogan shit hurt me.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Kanye shit hurts me.

[Unknown]

Me. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, I would have forgiven Hogan. I would still forgive Kanye. That being said, it doesn't look like there's any chance he's ever going to get healthy enough to do that. Because to your point, no, it could not just be a rollout. He couldn't do Eclipse Press run. And, and in the interview with, you know, Elliot and DJ Head, he says he's good and then all of a sudden we're good. No, but if it was a real like over time, putting your money where your mouth is is really showing change and you see that he's gotten healthy.

[Mall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cuz he's not well.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I'm just saying I would be willing to. And I, I think if you're a Jewish fan of hip hop and you loved Kanye, you pro, you're really hoping deep down one day he finds his mind and you don't have these feelings anymore. It sucks.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, yeah. I just don't even know how many.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeezys have been wasted. Have you seen the price even on Stockx and looked jerseys?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, they're pretty cheap, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh my God.

[Mall]

Yo, bro, they're all sitting.

[Cipher Sounds]

Just go to Journal Square in Jersey City. You could just walk into any of those. But I guess my question there more was to the public, how can someone really go on a apology press run at this point with how many people can talk on the Internet? Because even if Kanye smoked that and was sincere, is it going to work for one half?

[Mall]

I think so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If it was a life change, it would eventually. Naturally, you have to see it.

[Mall]

It can't just be the interview. It has to be. When you see him now away from the interview in life, how he's moving around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's just moving different.

[Mall]

Just tell he's healthy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It takes years. Yeah, it takes several years, I'm sure.

[Cipher Sounds]

And again, but it could happen.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

This is speaking from someone that watched Hunter Biden do a two hour podcast. And I was sitting there like, and.

[Mall]

Now you want him to become the damn.

[Cipher Sounds]

He just like cracking hoes. Why was I even mad at this guy?

[Mall]

Like, he became, he became human to you.

[Cipher Sounds]

Like, damn, is this working on me?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Me, by the way. And I, I didn't even watch the thing yet. And I was never mad at Hunter Biden. I mean, he.

[Cipher Sounds]

Oh no, I was never mad at Hunter Biden.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but you're like, why was this an issue?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, I didn't even know the gun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was a little weird.

[Cipher Sounds]

Listen, man, Second amendment.

[Mall]

Yeah, but I thought all the crack that he had was the weirdest part to me. Just all that crack.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about the coke in the White.

[Mall]

House when he left the. That's fine. That's fine. And then, and then nobody act like nobody in the White House could figure out where that that came from. That was the most amazing part. We looked at the cameras. We don't know how this coke got into. Y' all know how that shit. The president's son brought him in.

[Cipher Sounds]

This is where I can't agree with you there. The amount of people that do cocaine at the White House, to think it was Hunter Biden, that's a stretch. It could have been his dad to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stick his ass back up to do a speech.

[Mall]

It was a Biden's. It was one of the Bidens. It came in with a Biden.

[Cipher Sounds]

You don't think every White House aid, no matter what party, no matter what year, there was somebody that does not do cocaine frequently during the day?

[Mall]

Oh, no, for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Frequently. Always in every White House. Is there someone doing cocaine?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Mall]

Somebody's micro dosing.

[Cipher Sounds]

I guarantee, at every hour of every day at the White House. Since when did the open. Somebody was doing cocaine every hour.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going with in the history of the White house?

[Cipher Sounds]

Yes. So 100%. Yeah, I, I, that's like one of the only Things I'd stand on 100 no matter what. You could literally kill me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If this is false, I'm pushing back on this.

[Mall]

I think for every time we hear a Kendrick record on power, somebody's doing a line in the White House.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's, that's a. I really. I, I don't know, man. I, I. But the thing is, I haven't been around cocaine very much, so it's obviously more frequent than I am aware of. I have not seen a lot of coke in my life, and I know.

[Cipher Sounds]

It'S getting done because cokeheads are very sneaky.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know. But, like, getting into the White House is just like a certain level that you have to be at to even get your clearance. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it, it happens. I'm sure. I think every hour is wrong. I think you are patently wrong.

[Cipher Sounds]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Crazy.

[Mall]

Every hour somebody's doing a line every.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Every hour in the White House.

[Mall]

Somebody in the White House selling it.

[Cipher Sounds]

I was going to go every 30 minutes. How many people in the White House. All right. Working.

[Mall]

I think there's a lot of people that work in the White House.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but how many are you thinking?

[Mall]

Over 100.

[Cipher Sounds]

I mean, including Secret Service.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I, you think Reserve is doing cocaine also?

[Mall]

I think they need to do it. It opens the door.

[Cipher Sounds]

They're probably on the lesser side of it, but I think every, like, person on the staff in there. Yeah, there's a high, I'd say about 150 to 60 people. So that I would say, I would say at least 10 people out of that 160 are doing cocaine frequently during the entire day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think this is part of the disconnection that we have between how, like, people see Washington and how it actually is. Like, me and Sif have had arguments about this. It is not as crazy. Now, right now, different conversation. Because the White House currently is not filled with people who actually are of that world. It is filled with probably lunatic culture cokeheads who were doing Fox News a year ago doing coke, and now they're in the White House. Oh, see, previously, these are generally lifetime Washington types. Like, I know those types. And I don't mean to blow up everyone's stereotypes and fun conspiracy theories. Most of them are really nerdy and work really fucking hard.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that is how they get there, for the most part. Even in previous Republican administrations, I would say that we are currently in the wild, wild west. I don't know what is going on, but prior to that, I, I, I, in my experience growing up in Washington. Known mad people who worked in the White House and on the Hill.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is more boring than you're giving it credit.

[Cipher Sounds]

Okay, you. You are. All right. I'm not making a Washington thing or a White House thing. The AIDS and the people that work in that. I'm not saying every senator is doing coke. I'm saying the people that work there. I worked in an advertising agency in Tribeca.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Way different.

[Cipher Sounds]

I was literally the only people person I was. I was very vanilla and numb to coke. Like I didn't know much better. I didn't even know. I was like, wait, why didn't. I didn't know this many people did cocaine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but you weren't advertising. That's literally like people are having drinks at 11am too. I guess. Different situation.

[Cipher Sounds]

And before that, I was at Def Jam when I was at a lower level. Then after advertising, POD took off a little bit. Started getting into some mixes. I said I didn't know everybody in the music business was doing coke too. I. I found all of this out as I was going. So to say that people have to work 24 hours out the day with some of the craziest human beings are not on cocaine at all times is insane to say that'd be the place that would have the coke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hear you.

[Cipher Sounds]

Our advertising company didn't eat it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. I just don't think that Washington is. Previously.

[Cipher Sounds]

Till now, they were just having sex in. What was that? That. That came and went.

[Mall]

What was that? What floor was that? The.

[Cipher Sounds]

Wherever the Senate was.

[Mall]

Senate.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Who.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who was having sex?

[Mall]

Remember? You don't remember that video came out. Was that during the video?

[Cipher Sounds]

Some asshole.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, you don't have to call it gay sex. It was. It was just sex.

[Mall]

Yeah, but gay people were having it. It's like if 2. If 2. If a gay couple has dinner. We're going to a gay dinner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It just crossed my mind. I'm not trying to be that guy. It only crossed my mind right now when Rory said it. Yeah. Like the term.

[Cipher Sounds]

Then my liberal mind kicked in and I actually stopped. I was like, he's right. If a man and woman was in there, I would have said, yo, they was in there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So really people were, you know, special five. They're gay, so you know it's bad.

[Mall]

Cuz gay sex is different.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Different.

[Cipher Sounds]

Love coke, Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Had to be.

[Mall]

Oh, man. Yo, Pete, man, thank you for coming through, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is like closing. Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

Hey, great to be a father.

[Mall]

Absolutely.

[Cipher Sounds]

Congrats. Yeah. We're supposed to have our whole wholesome father conversation.

[Mall]

Two dads.

[Cipher Sounds]

He just did a trip.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I did my first. Yeah, no, no, listen, we should. We should wrap it up on the gay sex, the straight sex. No, I am a dad. It's very. It's a lot of fun. I. Yeah, it's everything everybody said. Well, you have kids too.

[Unknown]

No, not yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what I thought.

[Unknown]

Okay. No kids.

[Cipher Sounds]

You have enough nieces and nephews, though.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mall]

To know the whole gang.

[Cipher Sounds]

Have you traveled with them before?

[Mall]

Not all at one time, no. That would be very expensive and a big headache.

[Cipher Sounds]

So literally the worst thing, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I will just. I just realized that, like, when I was carrying around this amount of stuff, I'm just like. I realized that the difference between me and the successful and very rich people that I know is if you don't know the life of trying to maneuver your kids stuff onto the plane. Like, if you do some shit with private jet.

[Mall]

That's it.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mall]

You don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. Or like. Or you go to that clearance port part of the airport where they, like, take your stuff on the plane. Yeah. No, if you don't know that regular degular.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're just hoping your baby stops making noise on the plane.

[Mall]

You don't want to interrupt anybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God. Like, and then. And then, by the way, so, like, we're flying again in a few weeks. The amount of work that I'm doing to transfer points so I can upgrade us to business class, because that. Business class. Business class, international.

[Mall]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I don't know about you guys.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I personally, I don't make $20 million a month on Patreon. You know what I mean? I'm out here living a regular life.

[Mall]

Neither does. Other people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Say neither does anybody, but.

[Cipher Sounds]

Some would say neither does anybody, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if you're a regular person, even if you're doing well. Actually, here's the point where I don't relate to you anymore. If you see that the upgrade to business says your ticket went from 1200 to 6000.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that doesn't make you go, well, business class was an interesting idea.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't relate to you anymore because the idea that all of a sudden my trip's gonna go from being I spent three grand for us to fly to 15 grand for us to fly. That's not. And I don't know how rich I'd have to get where. I wouldn't care.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I really don't know. I hope I find out. But yeah. The amount of finagling I'm doing on my next trip. Transferring points over here. Let me get these. Because, bro. Yeah, the lap infant thing is great. You can bring your baby on the plane with you, right? But then you're stuck sitting next to two people with it. Is Rory.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah, no, I've been. Wait till you try to finesse that. Your daughter's passport is wrong and she's actually younger. I did that to Florida.

[Mall]

No, you didn't.

[Cipher Sounds]

Now how do you try to finesse that though?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't they look at it or you just hope they don't know?

[Cipher Sounds]

I tried. It didn't work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They saw it.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm my father's son. I try to find any scam in anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They looked like she's too old for.

[Cipher Sounds]

This because I did. I was the first Amara had just cuz it's lap is up till 2. So she just turned 2. We went down to Florida and I was like, I can get away with this. Brought her passport because we have Clear. And before Clear before. They never asked for Amar's passport.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, you just walked through.

[Cipher Sounds]

You just walked through. So they stopped us and did Amaris thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're like, wait, does she need to have cleared? She doesn't need clear, does she?

[Cipher Sounds]

No, but they asked for all. They asked for my id, Kia's id, everyone's id. And they were like, she doesn't have a ticket. She's two years old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was like, and you have to go buy one right then. Oh, wow, that hurts you.

[Mall]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's up.

[Cipher Sounds]

I wasn't mad. The chances of clear doing that are so low that I really thought I could get away with this. The scam was kind of worth me trying. Cuz it wasn't. You tried that crazy Fort Myers, Florida.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't that crazy.

[Unknown]

Yeah, come on, bro.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But now it's the baby thing has been.

[Cipher Sounds]

Wait till you're in a Mexico city airport for 11 hours with a hangover after your birthday and then sit middle seat economy with your one year old daughter. Then talk to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you do? What do the people do? By the way, once the kid said, let's say you do well in life and you do pay for business class.

[Unknown]

Cool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You finally dealt with it. You look around, you're like, I paid. Yeah, it's damn three grand for me and my wife to fly first class class, but I do now. You got to buy another one once the baby's two years and two days. And you know, nothing gets me madder. In the world than when, like, if I'm stuck in coach and I walk past like, I went for an upgrade. They didn't have it. It's too expensive. Like I said, you have that flight where it's like 5,000. I'm like, I can't do it. I'm gonna have to. I'll get the best coach seat I can get.

[Mall]

It's all I can do.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you're walking through first class, and there's like a six year old in their own first class seat.

[Cipher Sounds]

Disgusting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm like, I didn't. Yo, guys, I swear to God, I didn't touch first class. I swear to God, I was. I might have. I might have already touched 40 before I got into first class.

[Unknown]

Y.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Never.

[Cipher Sounds]

Until. Until this podcast. I never touched first class.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Never. And it's part of your life. You're like, my parents would first class. If my parents don't do Southwest, they explore. Okay.

[Cipher Sounds]

We drove. We drove to Florida.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, bro. So, like, that whole. And then when you see a little kid.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who's flopping around in the seat looking like a. A baby. Chris Farley. I'm like, look at this kid. He doesn't know.

[Mall]

He doesn't even know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Cipher Sounds]

But. So I used to think that all the time, too. And then in the beginning, when I didn't have to have Amara as a second see, I was like, I'm doing the same thing, though. Why is my toddler in first class now? She's two. She's never getting a first class.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. That's it.

[Unknown]

That's it.

[Cipher Sounds]

That's why to Florida we were flying economy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's. You have to. No. Or. Or. Or. Here's what you have to do. Isn't there a situation where you could do is you get two first class seats, one coach seat.

[Cipher Sounds]

Ah, I like that strategy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You and. You and your daughter sit in first class when the flight takes off.

[Cipher Sounds]

Because I'm the man and I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because you're the man and you're more.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah. Well, way more important.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You did everything.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then once you're up in the air, I feel like your wife can just come and sit with you and put your daughter on her lap. Unless it's a moment where they say to buckle up.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then you can basically all hang out in first class. And then when it's time to land.

[Cipher Sounds]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Mall]

We go back to our seats.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Anyways, you can hear musings like this.

[Cipher Sounds]

On the WAD podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

W Is life wherever you find podcasts.

[Mall]

Shouts out to to Juan app Cipher sounds Pete. Thank you for coming through, man. I feel like this conversation was long overdue. I'm glad we got to finally have it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was definitely long.

[Mall]

Yeah, definitely long and overdue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I I really appreciate it. Proud of you guys. Y' all are doing your thing.

[Mall]

Thank you, man.

[Cipher Sounds]

I'm gonna shame you into coming this little brother show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I I really, I really should go. That's gonna be amazing. And I I thank you guys for being some of the very few people who I don't hate on When I see you on the Internet. I just enjoy your stuff, man.

[Mall]

It's positive.

[Unknown]

All love.

[Mall]

I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's Peter Rosenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No worrying now.

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[Mall]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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