Episode 234 | Mos Def Made Drake Pop

Summary

Summary of "New Rory & MAL" Podcast Episode 234: "Mos Def Made Drake Pop"
Released January 16, 2024
Hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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In Episode 234 of New Rory & MAL, the hosts delve into a wide range of topics, blending insightful discussions on the music industry with personal anecdotes and lively banter. Here's a detailed breakdown of the key points covered in the episode:

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1. Upcoming Event Announcement: Howard Theater in D.C. (00:00)

The episode kicks off with Rory announcing an exciting upcoming show at the Howard Theater in Washington D.C. on March 23rd.

Rory [00:00]: "Howard Theater, March 23 Washington D.C. we cannot wait... It's going to be an amazing show."

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2. Movie Review: The Book of Clarence by James Samuel (09:16)

Damaris shares her experience watching The Book of Clarence, praising James Samuel's unique take on the story of Jesus of Nazareth.

Damaris [09:17]: "If you do have a chance, go see the Book of Clarence. It's a great movie."

Rory and the team discuss the film’s underpromotion, highlighting the reliance on big names like Jay Z to gain traction.

Rory [12:32]: "Studios and production companies need to stop relying on Jay Z for promo... this is a major picture. You can't rely on just Jay Z to get the word out three days before the release."

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3. Critique of Music Promotion Strategies (11:19)

The hosts critique the current state of music promotion, particularly the over-reliance on influential figures like Jay Z.

Rory [11:19]: "When Jay launches a lot of stuff, his team relies on just Jay to do one thing, and like, it's over... Some people just lean on Jay."

Damaris [14:12]: "If you deliver great quality, great quality promotes itself."

They advocate for a shift towards focusing on the product’s quality rather than star power to engage modern audiences effectively.

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4. Discussion on Drake's Musical Evolution and Pop vs. Hip Hop (29:56)

A substantial portion of the episode centers around Drake’s transition from hip hop to pop music, prompted by Mos Def’s (Yasin Bey) comments labeling Drake as "pop."

Damaris [30:16]: "He's not just hip hop. He's more than just hip hop."

Rory emphasizes Drake’s roots and love for hip hop, drawing parallels to Kanye West’s influence on making hip hop more mainstream.

Rory [34:30]: "This was the first time we've seen rappers make pop music like Kanye did... Kanye is the reason Drake is a pop star."

The conversation critiques Jay Z's involvement in Drake's projects, particularly a lengthy and seemingly unnecessary verse.

Rory [16:00] - [17:18]: Discussion about Jay Z's 12-minute verse feeling out of place in Drake's song.

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5. Personal Anecdotes: Interactions with D'Angelo (19:01)

Rory recounts an awkward encounter in the studio with D'Angelo, reflecting on missed collaboration opportunities and the challenges of pitching music to established artists.

Rory [19:01]: "I saw him at a baby shower... It was really uncomfortable being surrounded by four people."

The team discusses the difficulties of presenting their work to high-profile artists, emphasizing respect and timing.

Damaris [22:27]: "I'm never mad at anybody... I'm never pitching anything to him on the first meeting."

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6. Parenting and Childhood Trauma (75:30)

The conversation shifts to personal experiences with parenting, focusing on how childhood trauma can influence one’s approach to raising children. Damaris discusses challenges in having sensitive conversations with her 11-year-old son due to her own past.

Damaris [86:16]: "I have a son who's 11, and I still have a hard time having certain conversations about women..."

Rory expresses concerns about potentially being less affectionate with a future son, rooted in his own upbringing.

Rory [97:24]: "It's the parent's responsibility to raise a child that is going to contribute to society as well."

They emphasize the importance of unconditional love and supportive environments in parenting.

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7. Concerns About 20 Women vs. One Rapper Platform (89:35)

The hosts address a controversial platform where 20 women interact with a single rapper, expressing worries about the psychological impact on young participants and drawing parallels to past child stars like Bow Wow.

Rory [56:43]: "This is going to ruin his life and his perception on women, nightlife, just everything in general..."

They highlight the potential long-term negative effects of such exposure on children’s self-esteem and perception.

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8. Host Interactions and Banter (Various Timestamps)

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage in lively and sometimes contentious banter, discussing topics like driving experiences, physical appearances, and humorous disagreements.

Damaris [130:46]: "They in the way. I would just go ahead and say it. In 2020, if you ain't on Only Fans busting it open, you're doing the bare minimum."

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9. Closing Remarks and Shoutouts (126:13)

In the closing segment, the hosts reiterate their upcoming event in D.C., encourage support for Black directors and artists, and engage in light-hearted farewells and humorous exchanges.

Damaris [129:47]: "Shout out to James Samuel. Shout out to Booker Clarence. Go see the movie. Support Black directors. Support Black artists."

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Conclusion

Episode 234 of New Rory & MAL offers a blend of critical insights into the music industry's promotional strategies, particularly spotlighting the roles of Jay Z and Drake's musical evolution. It also delves into personal topics like parenting influenced by childhood trauma and the potential impacts of media exposure on young artists. The episode is punctuated with the hosts' signature humor and candid discussions, making it both engaging and thought-provoking for listeners.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Rory [00:00]: "Howard Theater, March 23 Washington D.C. we cannot wait... It's going to be an amazing show."
• Damaris [09:17]: "If you do have a chance, go see the Book of Clarence. It's a great movie."
• Rory [12:32]: "...you're going to have people lean on Jay. Even Beyonce..."
• Damaris [30:16]: "He's not just hip hop. He's more than hip hop."
• Rory [34:30]: "Kanye is the reason Drake is a pop star."
• Damaris [86:16]: "I have a son who's 11, and I still have a hard time having certain conversations about women..."
• Rory [56:43]: "...this is going to ruin his life and his perception on women, nightlife, just everything in general..."
• Damaris [129:47]: "Shout out to James Samuel. Shout out to Booker Clarence..."
• Rory [97:24]: "It's the parent's responsibility to raise a child that is going to contribute to society as well."

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Timestamps Reference:

1. 00:00: Event Announcement
2. 09:16: Movie Review
3. 11:19: Music Promotion Critique
4. 29:56: Drake's Musical Evolution
5. 19:01: Studio Interaction with D'Angelo
6. 75:30: Parenting and Trauma
7. 89:35: 20 Women vs. One Rapper Concerns
8. Various Timestamps: Host Banter
9. 126:13: Closing Remarks

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Note: This summary captures the essence of the episode, focusing on the primary discussions and highlighting pivotal moments through notable quotes. The playful and sometimes edgy nature of the conversation is preserved, reflecting the hosts' dynamic and candid style.

Transcript

[Rory]

Hey Everybody, we're in D.C. march 23rd. Mall is going to storm the Capitol and we cannot wait. Let us know what the Declaration of Independence is like. Well, I mean you were there already, but anyways. Howard Theater, March 23 Washington D.C. we cannot wait. Mall cannot wait. It's an election year. So we'll be at the edge of our seats when we go to our nation's capital. It's going to be an amazing show. Who knows who's going to pop up. I met Bill.

[Mal]

You never know the big oh, you're big guy.

[Damaris]

No worry enough.

[Mal]

Wow, man.

[Julian]

Let me tell you about it, y'all.

[Damaris]

We are back. Good to see you guys back from the weekend. Had a, had an interesting weekend. I went to the movies. You know, that's my, my interesting weekends. Whenever I go to the movies.

[Rory]

By yourself?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Because you used to on me for years for going to the movies.

[Damaris]

No, but then. No, don't do that. Because then I told you how wrong I was about that. And it's actually a pretty like peaceful thing to do.

[Rory]

I think it's the only way to go to the movies.

[Damaris]

Not the only way, but you know, it is a cool way to go.

[Rory]

I'd rather just be at home and watch a movie with somebody. And I'd rather go to the movies by myself.

[Damaris]

But it's kind of the same though.

[Rory]

If I'm in the movies, I'm there just, just for the movie, not for the experience with the other person. Yeah. But if I'm there for the round sound, the big ass screen, if I could just stay at home with somebody.

[Damaris]

I mean, first of all, staying at home is always the number one thing to do. But I think watching a movie, it's cool to go to the, to the movies with, with people. Definitely depends on what type of movie it is. And definitely depends on who you're with. Cause there's such thing as movie theater etiquette. A lot of your friends don't have movie theater etiquette. A lot of girls, they wanna be on their phone checking Snapchat. And a lot of girls have that light up case where the whole phone lights up. Now everybody in the theater is disturbed because you wanna check your snap or your Instagram with this whole light thing on your case. So definitely don't wanna go to movies with those type of girls.

[Rory]

There's a great standup bit here between white people going to the movies and black people. But I'll just leave it alone.

[Damaris]

Yeah, leave that alone.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

Why the most what cliche standup Bit of all time.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Black people speaking in a movie theater.

[Julian]

I like those movies, though. I like when black people Movies.

[Damaris]

No, when white people go to the. When black people go to the theater. And loud inside the theater.

[Julian]

You like that when it's the type of movie that requires certain interactions.

[Mal]

No movie requires crowd participation.

[Damaris]

No, no, no. But I know what she mean, though, because sometimes if you watching a movie and it's somebody in the. The laughing hysterically at a part that you thought was funny too, like, you'll start laughing because you're like, yo, that was funny.

[Mal]

I'm not talking about. I'm talking about, like in a classic serial killer movie and there's the. The killers around the corner and someone in the back goes, run. It's like. It's that. I'm sorry, we don't need that.

[Julian]

If it is.

[Damaris]

That's kind of like an ad lib. That's. I'm not mad at.

[Julian]

Funny to me.

[Damaris]

I'm not mad at.

[Julian]

Don't OD on it. But every once in a while with. That happens. Like, that's like if you're. Or if you're watching, like a ridiculous movie. Like, when I went to see Aquaman 2, there were people in the theater, like. Like, because we were. It was like a collective.

[Damaris]

Everybody realized, why did we spend our money to come see this?

[Rory]

Here we go again.

[Mal]

Every time the hero pops up, you're like, oh, man, him again.

[Damaris]

You know what's crazy about Aquaman 2, now that I think about it? His power is that he could talk to all the fish in the sea, Right?

[Rory]

Yes, true.

[Damaris]

I didn't see Jaws attack anybody.

[Rory]

Like, how.

[Damaris]

How is a great white. And Aquaman 2 doesn't kill nothing. Orca. Nothing. None of these.

[Rory]

None of these orca. There was any affair.

[Damaris]

Like, he just summons them to come help him. And I didn't see them kill anybody.

[Mal]

He doesn't mobilize him to, like, do stuff. No, they just there, like, he calls.

[Damaris]

Them when he's about to, like, go fight whoever he's fighting. But you don't see them. No, they fight, but, like, you don't see them in action. You don't see, like a jaw, like a great white, like, kill anything. You don't see an orca kill anything.

[Rory]

It's like, what he's calling, like, flounders. I didn't see it.

[Damaris]

No, it's him with his.

[Rory]

It's him with his pitchfork they call Nemo.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's just like, yo, I want to see, like, make it that. Make the sharks kill something, make the fish on fish violence.

[Rory]

Who is his, like, enemy? Who is he fighting?

[Damaris]

He's always fighting. Just random people. Like, are they other ocean?

[Rory]

But. Yeah, are they in the ocean?

[Damaris]

They're doing stuff in the ocean. So they try to land people in the land. People that try to do things in the ocean.

[Mal]

Oh.

[Damaris]

You understand what I'm saying? It's like one of those type of like, don't pollute the ocean type is. Aquaman is really Captain Planet, but just, like, more handsome.

[Rory]

But, like, if I was losing the fight, I could just like, take a step onto the sand and I'd be out of the fight, right?

[Damaris]

No, he. Well, Aquaman can volume on sand, but.

[Rory]

Like, can he do anything to me in the breathing world?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

He's half human.

[Damaris]

You can breathe.

[Rory]

No, I know he can breathe, but, like, does he have any special powers?

[Julian]

Like, I mean, he can fight.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, is it. Is it a fair one? If we're on the board, he's outnumbered.

[Damaris]

Because the fish are not.

[Mal]

Well, as I say, Jerry's point. He can't, like, call the lions and giraffes. They don't with him.

[Damaris]

No, he's just awkward. Anything in the water is he. He owns.

[Rory]

What if I had a gun? Roll credits.

[Damaris]

Yes, but that, that's. See, on land, he's outnumbered because. But even in the war, he's outnumbered because the sharks are not killing nothing for him.

[Mal]

What if.

[Damaris]

What if you don't got nobody sliding the bag?

[Mal]

Nobody did a casual oil spill. There goes his whole team, and that's wild. Dump some oil.

[Rory]

That little, little loser kid got Free Willy to jump over the rocks like, he can't even give.

[Damaris]

He could do that.

[Julian]

But why did he have to be a loser? Like, why?

[Mal]

He was a whale.

[Rory]

Then the movie start with him, like, throwing a baseball through a window because his parents were arguing. Like, shut up and take your trauma. Yeah, he's like, oh, God, the argument. And like, just randomly throws a brand new baseball through a window. That kid should not be around marine life.

[Julian]

Okay?

[Mal]

I mean, if your best friend's a way impulsive, that's a pretty long. That's a towel.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You pretty lonely. Those are. Those are the school shooters right there.

[Julian]

Michael Jackson's best friend was a rat. So you guys are.

[Damaris]

One of my best friends was a rat. I just found out two years ago. It is what it is. Me and Mike, me and the King of Pop got more in common. Like, yeah, that's how it happens. Oh, man, y'all don't never. We don't never tell that story. Like, when one of your homies that you grew up with that you was crazy cool with and y'all get older and he do some. He rat. Like, literally tells on the stand. It's like, damn, you got to delete that whole chapter of your life. You got to delete that. You can't be friends with him no more. Or you can. I don't know. That's up to you.

[Rory]

I mean, I just don't. We're not really the audience that's been through the experience.

[Damaris]

You never had a friend that ratted?

[Rory]

Like, ratted for real? Like. Like tattletale? Sure.

[Damaris]

No. Like, in court?

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. I got to live more.

[Rory]

Not like a. Like a friend. No, no. I like. No. I know people.

[Julian]

Rattass.

[Damaris]

We not doing that. Who we not doing?

[Rory]

A friend.

[Damaris]

I'm not going even. Oh, no.

[Rory]

Call me out.

[Damaris]

I'm not doing. No. I would never say names, but you have a friend that's a rat or. Well, you're not friends. I don't know where y'all stand today, but.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. Oh, that was alleged. I don't.

[Damaris]

No, no, that ain't a legend.

[Rory]

I know we're talking about the same.

[Damaris]

I know, homie.

[Rory]

I know him as well.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah. No, he did time.

[Rory]

I. I know him very well. Yeah, I saw him at a baby shower not too long ago.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Rat. He.

[Rory]

He ratted.

[Damaris]

He's a rat. Yeah, he's a rat. We all got a.

[Rory]

Well, we're not. We're not friends anymore.

[Damaris]

So I'm saying. But. But.

[Rory]

But.

[Damaris]

But you were friends after that?

[Rory]

I was, yeah. But I honestly didn't know. I was not friends with him when I was in high school, when that whole thing happened.

[Damaris]

Okay, okay.

[Rory]

We became friends when I was, like, 20. Okay, 21.

[Damaris]

All right. But my thing is that we all.

[Rory]

I had heard rumors about it, but then, see, this is where it got weird, too, because he went to jail as well. I visited him at Rikers Island. Like, it's not like he told everyone. Went to jail and did pretty much close to the same amount of. Well, your man's did a little bit more. He's a good dude, too.

[Damaris]

So habits. You rap to get lesser talk.

[Rory]

I was at. I'll tell a quick story. I totally forgot about that entire thing. I really thought I had you in a corner till I realized, yes, somebody. That was really.

[Damaris]

We all got.

[Rory]

I was at a. I was at a birthday party. How I really found out about most of it was. I went to a birthday party, and I got there a little bit early, and then I got cornered by, like, three people, one of which, he had just came home and was like, yo, your man's coming tonight. And I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Then I got the story.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And I can't lie, I was a little uncomfortable in that bar being surrounded by four people, one who was fresh home and like, oh, your best friend. Where's he at? I'm like, I don't know.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Why?

[Damaris]

Right?

[Rory]

I thought this was a Kappa thing.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's not a Kappa thing.

[Rory]

Then a. Then a girl cornered me, screamed at me. That was awkward. I'm like, guys, I was in high school when this happened. I have no idea what the you're talking about.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So, yeah, you. You excluded from that.

[Rory]

Damn. Even you know about that. I thought that was, like, internal.

[Damaris]

No, that's. My people's from uptown.

[Rory]

Like, his family.

[Damaris]

His. His cousin and me are cool.

[Rory]

Got you.

[Damaris]

Okay. We cool people.

[Rory]

He's a good dude, though.

[Damaris]

All right. Yeah, we.

[Rory]

We get along. At the baby shower was all. All fun.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

That's so funny.

[Damaris]

I mean, it happens, man, but I don't know, man.

[Rory]

Everyone did time.

[Damaris]

Well, listen, it is what it is, but I went to the movies this weekend. I did. I went to go see the Book of Clarence Shout out to James Samuel on another good. A great project. I thought it was really good. I enjoyed it. I love the spin on the whole story of Jesus of Nazareth and giving that perspective on it.

[Rory]

Jesus of Israel, you mean?

[Damaris]

Well, yes.

[Rory]

Too soon. Sorry.

[Damaris]

Too soon. But I do love James Samuel, the way he's depicting his movies and his stories, telling it from our perspective and our culture. Just a beautiful, beautiful story. And I think that a lot of people that didn't see this because I went to the theater and it was empty. I almost thought it wasn't showing at the theater, but, like, we spoke about it off Mike. A lot of people didn't know about the movie coming out this weekend. A lot of people didn't know what the movie was about. If you do have a chance, go see the Book of Clarence. It's a great movie. Another edition of James Samuel and his. Another addition to his collection of movie and film. And I thought it was dope. I liked it.

[Rory]

It did. I mean, we. We knew about the movie, obviously, because we knew when James was shooting it, but I did see a lot of people feeling like this just sprung up kind of out of Nowhere. And there wasn't a lot of lead time with the promo. Even the convo with Elliot, Jay, and James, which was great. I almost feel like was kind of under promoted. Like, even some of the clips that came out were, like bad cell phone videos and like, I don't know, just. It felt like it was a secret. Mm.

[Damaris]

It felt. No, it felt like that in the theater. Like, I'm telling you, I went to the theater and I was surprised at how empty the theater was. I couldn't believe that the theater was that empty, but it wasn't.

[Rory]

Select ones. It's going to go to streaming soon, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it wasn't in. It wasn't in all theaters, though, because it was certain theaters that I usually go to to watch. Like, if I go see a movie, like, I just like the theater. It wasn' to go to, like, a different one, but it is in theaters, so I don't know. Again, it was promoted. It wasn't promoted. Well, a lot of people didn't know it was out this weekend. A lot of people didn't know the soundtrack was out. I don't know. It just was under. Under promoted, I guess.

[Rory]

You know, I'm a whole avenger. But I didn't know we were going to start with Book of Clarence, but I was prepared to come in here and be objective about Jay Z. Okay, one, I'll start with the topic that we're discussing now. I think studios and production companies need to stop relying on Jay Z for promo.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

I'm not saying a negative way, but I understand that that's a big card and it's going to get me to click something at any point, but I don't know if there's a million people just like me in that regard. I think when Jay launches a lot of stuff, his team relies on just Jay to do one thing, and, like, it's over, and that's going to be the promo. Jay did one thing. He popped out, said hello. They took a photo with Beyonce, and that's the only promo we need to do for the remainder of this entire thing. Like, I saw James did Breakfast Club, which was great, but we're talking about a $40 million move. This is a major picture. You can't rely on just Jay Z to get the word out three days before the release. He's powerful, but he's not. He's not literally the only promotion that you should.

[Mal]

Not Taylor Swift.

[Damaris]

No, he's not. Julian, thank you for that, because I feel like even.

[Rory]

Even Beyonce doesn't do that. Like even Beyonce puts more promo assets and build up for certain stuff. Like, yeah, I just think some people just lean on Jay. Like, even when a lot of times with like the roster with Rock, sometimes I've seen, it's like, well, if this isn't bubbling, let's just throw a picture with Hov in the office. And it's like, not just think things needs to add a few more things around that. When it's something of this magnitude, I.

[Damaris]

Think things have changed significantly in the way promotion needs to go and needs to happen. I think that's a very old card that people use when it's just, you know, put Jay Z's name on something or stand next to Jay Z or have Jay Z come out to the video. This, that or third. Cool. That's still a great thing because it's a great look. Talking about one of the greatest artists, greatest rapper ever. So it is a great look. But at the end of the day, like you said, I think the consumers are just different now. Consumers are not just like, that's cool. But what about the product, though? Like, I don't care about, you know, the name. How great is the product, how good is the product? And I think that's where, excuse me, a lot of consumers are now. They care more about the end result. It's not about the bells and the whistles that you put around the whole thing. It's about, okay, what am I paying for? What am I getting? And I think that a lot of people need to focus more on just delivering great quality. Because when you deliver great quality, great quality promotes itself. Yeah, you can have everybody show up to the premiere. Everybody show up, look great and dressed cool. If the product is terrible, none of that matters.

[Rory]

And because I went to the Harder They Fall premiere, which was great, and I think they grabbed a lot of promo clips for that one, which, similar case, James directing, produced by Jay Z.

[Damaris]

Look at the movie. That was Netflix, wasn't it? Yeah. So that's different, of course.

[Rory]

Way more money with promotion in that regard.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But if you look at. And I'm not gonna pretend like I know the movie business or how to market it correctly, I'm simply speaking as a consumer. That's observing. I'm just a consumer in this. I've noticed that when there's premieres for huge movies, down to fucking Scorsese movie, we don't ever really see the premiere. It's not that big of a deal as far as promo goes. They put promo into everything else with these movies. It feels like the premiere is the only promo piece. My second thing here to hate on hov. I want to start by saying the soundtrack is great. James smoked it. I had that on repeat. I didn't really get around to most of the albums because I was listening.

[Damaris]

To when you see the movie and how the music plays into the movie is. It's dope smoke.

[Rory]

The soundtrack. That Doja and Kodak Black record is crazy. Kodak went nuts. I forget sometimes how dope Kodak is when he feels like rapping. Rapping. He was rapping on. This content was great. Dojo went nuts. Hats off. The most unnecessary Jay Z verse I've ever heard in my entire life. Just make it a 10 minute D'Angelo song. I feel you, like, either commit or don't it. I didn't know where he was taking us. Like wherever he took us, I didn't go right. I was just waiting for it to go somewhere and it didn't really go anywhere. And I get like trying to put a different spin on it because it's D'Angelo and I. Understanding the inflections in your voice with the type of record. I saw the attempt. It just felt unnecessary. I think, like, it was a weird point in the song that just didn't need to be there.

[Damaris]

I think that it's. We're at a point where we're just so used to hearing Jay a certain type of way and when we hear it, hear him do different things, especially at this stage in his career, it's kind of like, I don't know if I wanted that from Jay.

[Rory]

I'm fine with experimenting. And I'm not saying I wanted a God did verse on this D'Angelo record. I don't think it called for that. It just felt so incomplete. I'm fine with an experiment. If Jay gave us a better verse in that type of tone and that.

[Damaris]

Was only what, like eight bars?

[Rory]

Maybe like 12.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I just didn't really know where. Where it was going. It was just unnecessary. It was the first time where I was like, I really just didn't need that. That J verse. And that's never happened before.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, then that's. That's okay. I think that this was a different type of sound, a different type of. First of all, we haven't. I don't remember the last time we even heard D'Angelo.

[Rory]

Oh, this was more than a 12. It just felt like.

[Mal]

No, it was just. Yeah, the cadence was weird. It sounded spoken wordy.

[Rory]

I would have been fine with. If he delivered better Incomplete spoken word.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it was like random, sporadic thought.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, he was doing it. It was more couplet based rather than a.

[Damaris]

That was just like his thoughts in his head and he just kind of threw them out there on the beat, like. So it was, it was, it was unorthodox. It was very unorthodox.

[Mal]

But even to Rory's point, because when we came in Friday and we were talking about it, when the official whole song came out, we were like, okay, the leak was the full verse. So we were under the impression, okay, this is, this is like the. The pre verse mumble, like talks through the. Talk through. What am I going to say on this verse before I really get into it? And then we came out and we heard it. We're like, oh, no, this is.

[Rory]

That was the first.

[Mal]

That's it. The next seven minutes is D'Angelo, which is great. But that was the verse. There's no. Okay, I found this. Let me really lock in and give you. Because I also am like against the Goddard versus Cool, but I'm against the whole like cut the beat on and let him go for 64 bars. Like, we don't need to do that every time. He could have just done like a cool 16 or like 32. That would have been dope like after this. But I mean, it just didn't.

[Rory]

If you're going to do.

[Mal]

It was flat.

[Rory]

You're going to do a 10 minute song. That's where I'm saying it felt pointless.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

If this was a four minute song, you wanted to get that Jay and D'Angelo moment and this filled up a minute of the song. I'd still be disappointed in the verse, but I would see the purpose of it. If you have 10 minutes and then just randomly throw this in the middle, it's like, if you're gonna do 10 minutes, let Jay Z really do something here.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But definitely was unorthodox. Definitely wasn't expecting that type of flow and that type of cadence. But the overall soundtrack is really good though. And especially in the flow of the movie and the scenes that they use certain songs really well put together. But James is, you know, he's hands on with everything. He's a producer, director, writer, artist. Like he's. He's hands on with everything. So he, he has his vision in his mind and he. I think he did a great job at putting his vision out to everybody. And again, we should support it. So if you haven't seen Book of Clarence, go check it out. Go support it. Shout out to James Samuel on another great job.

[Rory]

I. I'll tell a very quick story. I think I was in the studio the same time this was cut or was being mixed in October when I. You guys remember when I blocked out a whole week. Yeah. To start on the second album. So I was at Flux studio. Shout out to Flux. Love that place. And again, I have no D'Angelo could have cut this in Australia. I have no idea if what I'm saying is accurate, but in the basement of Flux, there's two studios. I was in one, the other one was closed, and there's, like, a water cooler area in between. So I was going back to get water or use a bathroom, and I.

[Damaris]

Was trying to hear what they was.

[Rory]

Working, and I would. It was right next to the studio, and I was like, is that D'Angelo?

[Damaris]

So then you had to go to the bathroom seven times.

[Rory]

Then I went back into the studio, and I told Yanni Child. I was like, I think D'Angelo's next door.

[Damaris]

And he was like, get the.

[Rory]

Come on. Shut up. So we both kept walking back and forth. I started pulling out Shazam. Cause I was like, maybe this. Like this. I don't know this D'Angelo song, and I know his catalog pretty fucking well. Wasn't popping up on Shazam. Like, this is weird. Then another engineer came, and I was like. Like, I don't want to be that guy. But, like, is D'Angelo in there? He's like, they're doing something. He's not in there, but they're doing something. Then I went back in the studio, and another engineer came and said, hey, can you guys not go over there again?

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, that was definitely Rory. That was definitely Rory going over there too many times and then had his phone like this at the door.

[Mal]

Rory dropped the mic.

[Rory]

I was smoother with it than that.

[Mal]

You had your ear pressed on the door.

[Rory]

But you got to understand, like, when you're in studio, sometimes you'll walk down the hall and, like, just tear. Like, oh, wow. It's cool. When you hear a D'Angelo song, you. You stop.

[Damaris]

Like, yeah.

[Rory]

What the is going on in there?

[Damaris]

Well, he's one of those artists. You definitely. If he's in the studio while you're in the studio, it's kind of like, oh.

[Rory]

And I don't know if it was. I can't really remember the song because this was in October, but I can't think of anything else D'Angelo's put out recently.

[Damaris]

Or maybe, like, something that he has that's coming.

[Rory]

Pause and it does make sense because they were working on one record for. For like six hours, and now it makes sense. If it was ten minutes that they were mixing ten minute record, they mix.

[Damaris]

It down from six hours to ten minutes.

[Rory]

Crazy. Yeah, but I don't. That story doesn't matter too much. But it just made things full circle for Yanni and I because the whole time we were bragging to people that we. We're next to a D'Angelo session.

[Mal]

You said you did a D. You told people you did a D'Angelo session.

[Julian]

Oh, for sure. He texted me and told me you.

[Mal]

Said you did the drums on the fifth.

[Damaris]

You know, Rory, if D'Angelo was there, Rory was like, yo, I got this track. That'll be.

[Rory]

I would, of course I would do that. Why wouldn't I? D'Angelo, if I was in a session with D'Angelo, don't think I would play any of my beats.

[Damaris]

No, no, not if you were in a session with him. If you happened to be in a studio and D'Angelo was in another room recording. Hey, you saw D'Angelo, like, you would die. Definitely be like, yo, I got this.

[Rory]

If. If I wasn't in. If he wasn't in the middle of actually recording and I. I felt like it was a downtime, of course I would. Why wouldn't you do that?

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Julian]

That's not crazy.

[Rory]

How is that crazy?

[Damaris]

That is.

[Rory]

You do it in a respectful. I'm not going to. If he's in middle writing or listening to some sh. Yo, you want to listen to some beats? Like, I wouldn't do that, but if there was some downtime, I would introduce myself and check the temperature.

[Julian]

Well, I think your beats trash. That's why he's saying it's disrespectful.

[Rory]

That's fine.

[Damaris]

No, I'm not saying his beats are trap. I'm just saying it's a certain. A certain level. No, it's just a certain level. It's a certain. It's like artists.

[Rory]

I'm just not at the level.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, if you. If it's your first time meeting D'Angelo. No, you should absolutely not pitch a beat to him.

[Rory]

I just don't think that if there. If I thought there was a world where I would maybe meet D'Angelo again or we would form some type of relationship. No, I would not out the gate, be like, yo, listen to some stuff. But D'Angelo is D'Angelo, bro. If he was at Flux that day, I'm sure he disappeared to Antarctica. The next day, I'm going to shoot my shot because I don't think I'm going to build a relationship with D'Angelo later on or run into, like, hey, remember me at Flux last year? How about you listen to some beats now?

[Damaris]

No, I mean, listen, I'm never mad at anybody. Especially, like, if you're a recording artist. I'm never mad at you if you bump into artists that you, you know, you like or that you would love to work with. Never mad at somebody trying to, like, shoot their shot or get their. Get an opportunity to work with that artist. Me, personally, I just feel like if it's my first time ever meeting that artist, I'm never pitching anything to them. I'm not doing it. Because it's just like, yo, this person, like, especially an artist like D'Angelo, he's not. He doesn't just work with any and everybody. Like, even if your music is great.

[Rory]

I mean, he produce if it's not the Silquarians.

[Mal]

Like this.

[Damaris]

But this is what I'm saying. So even an artist like that is more so like, yo, I'm just here to listen and learn whatever from this conversation. Take from this conversation. I'm not trying to work with him. And it's the first time or pitching something, and it's my first time meeting this artist. I would never do that. Because especially an artist like D'Angelo. Nine times out of ten, one, he's probably gonna be pissed that you even did that or he's not gonna do the record. So it's like, now you're in a space of. You look awkward. It's awkward. Now. You. You. The energy is just weird now because, you know, he's like, he. He wasn't receptive to it because he's that type of artist. Like, he's not. He's not here for that. He doesn't even know you. He's not gonna work with you.

[Mal]

He don't know you at the right time. Cause we've seen so many stories in hip hop of the younger artists running into their idol and they do a quick whatever, and then they're like, okay, like, I like that. Or like, send me something like that.

[Damaris]

Like, Big Sean, know who you're pitching to. D'Angelo is not somebody that's just jumping on anybody's record. That's not happening.

[Rory]

Of course not.

[Mal]

No.

[Rory]

But I also don't think there's a world where there would be a relationship later where you don't know that you could. You don't kind of know that cuz.

[Damaris]

Of D'Angelo you just put out. Listen, you just put out a phenomenal first record, right? First album, right? You keep doing your thing. You keep building your career. D'Angelo finds you now. But. But I think the first time that you meet D'Angelo, you should not pitch a record to him. No, I don't. I don't think. That's not D'Angelo. That's like pitching a record to. That's like pitching a beat to Andre 3000. He's not cutting that. You know, that's not happening. That's not happening.

[Rory]

I. I did that. The Hit Boy Nas session, which. I've told that story. When I walked in, I didn't know Nas was like, what the fuck? It was just me, Hit Boy and Nas in the fucking studio. I play beats.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but. Okay, did anybody cut it? Cut to the beat?

[Rory]

Did anything? No. Nas, they were done. Nas is leaving. That's why I was meeting with Hit Boy and they were finishing up a session. Nas was about to leave and hung out for a little bit, and they played me. I think that was King's disease 2 around that time. Yeah, whatever. They played me some stuff. And then as Nas was, you know, getting ready to leave, whatever, Hit Boy just passed me the auxiliary. I started playing. I played a great Mob deep flip that he loved. Like, it didn't amount to anything. But I'm not gonna take that chance. If Nas is next to speakers and I have an auxiliary chord, to not play him something, I just.

[Damaris]

I just think it's more about knowing who the artist is.

[Rory]

I agree. And I think that goes across Andre.

[Damaris]

3000, never play a beat for him. He's not gonna do shit to it.

[Rory]

I don't know if that's entirely true.

[Damaris]

What. He doesn't. He didn't lay beats. He made beats that he didn't rap on just now. He is not even rapping on his own shit.

[Rory]

So.

[Mal]

Yeah, but to Rory's point, I still think there's value in. I'm. I don't think the expectation is I played him something, therefore we're going to have a record together. It's just. Why not just be. Take advantage of that moment and just play something? Why? Like, why?

[Damaris]

I'd rather. I'd rather. I'd rather just have a conversation with certain artists. I don't need to play any music. I would rather have a conversation, talk to you, learn from, hear something. We develop a type of, like. That's what I would rather.

[Mal]

You're like. You're leaning into like, the development of a rapport. These instances don't come about ever. Certainly not in a repeating way. So, like, Rory can't be like, all right, I'm in the studio sharing a wall with D'Angelo. I'll catch him on the next one. Like, I wouldn't see why I kept.

[Rory]

Going to the water. Because, like, there's no fucking way D'Angelo's in the. But you keep Angelos.

[Damaris]

And you keep saying, catch him on the next one, though. I'm not talking about, like, that. I'm just saying, like, it's certain artists that you just know. Like, bro, I would. I'm not going to. This is my first time ever seeing this artist in real life. If. If we have a conversation, great, But I'm not going to push it and then be like, yo, I also produce and make beats. Like.

[Julian]

But I don't think Rory would do that in an awkward. Like, yeah, I would check the template. DM, the sound. Your SoundCloud link to my. Like, I don't. Rory doesn't give me that. Like, he's gonna. If the opportunity presents itself in an authentic way, he'll do it. I don't think he's just awkward and say, oh, you're in there making music.

[Damaris]

Hold on.

[Julian]

Like, listen to my beats. Like, no, the.

[Damaris]

The.

[Julian]

That would only come if they are already having a conversation where he felt comfortable enough to do that. I think Rory's pretty good at reading the room in that way.

[Rory]

And I would. If I would introduce myself to start to check the temperature, and if for some reason he seemed, like, in a warm mood and had some idea of podcast world or any cool conversation we could have to connect dots, I would 100% say, hey, do you have, like, five minutes? You want to hear what we're working on next door? I would ask something like that. I wouldn't be like, yo, listen my fucking beats. Like, no, I would easily.

[Damaris]

I know you. I know you wouldn't say it like that.

[Rory]

I wouldn't treat it like the Spotify dinner.

[Damaris]

See, my. I'm just. I just feel like through conversation, if that's meant to be, it'll just happen through conversation. Like, if we're conversing and I'm like, yeah, nah, I'm next door. You know, we write, produce, da, da, da. And D'Angelo says, oh, word. Let me hear what y'all doing then. Cool. But I'm not gonna be like, yo, you got five minutes. Like, I want to play you. Like, okay, but I'm just not certain people I'm definitely never doing that and we can close.

[Rory]

But I will say that Nas situation, it wasn't awkward. Personally, just for my own sake of Bucket List shit, know that I played Nas beats and he enjoyed them. Like, even if he was faking, he was great at it. That's still cool with me. And the amount of times I've gotten a response from an artist that said, damn, I had no idea we should work. As opposed to the one time with Nas that nothing happened. I'm always gonna go with the times. It's. It's worked. I've gotten the response, dam, bro, I had no idea. Way more times than I'd had someone listen to something, leave and never hit me again.

[Damaris]

Well, listen, at the end of the day, my brother, you gotta do what works for you, right?

[Rory]

Who would you play Beats for first, Most Def or Drake?

[Damaris]

Drake.

[Rory]

You're not hip hop.

[Damaris]

I am.

[Rory]

That's fucking crazy.

[Damaris]

I'm very hip hop. I just know Most Def probably ain't gonna do nothing with it. He gonna disappear for another seven years. Fuck him. Play Beats for Most for he probably won't lay to it. Dre could probably put. At least he may use it. He putting out two albums a year.

[Rory]

Well, let's get everyone up to speed. For those that don't know, on Saturday afternoon, the Internet was set afire. Hip hop Twitter was in a frenzy. Mos Def, AKA Yasin Bey, went on the cutting room floor, which is a great platform, shout out to them, and was asked if he considers Drake to be hip hop.

[Damaris]

They Jack in my is a hip hop shit. That's all I'm saying.

[Mal]

No, because this has nothing to do with sexuality.

[Rory]

Yeah, this had nothing to do.

[Mal]

This was purely a real music question.

[Damaris]

It had nothing to do with shopping either. Well, he may turn it into that.

[Rory]

Let's listen. To what? To what Yassin had to say. I mean, points were made. That's all I'm saying. Can we listen?

[Mal]

Yeah, let's check it out.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Julian]

Why are you doing this to me?

[Damaris]

Drake is pop to me in the sense. Like, if I was in Target in Houston and I heard a Drake song, it feels like a lot of his music is compatible with shopping, commercial music.

[Rory]

Or it's, you know, shopping with an edge.

[Mal]

That's crazy fair.

[Julian]

I like Drake's music, but I understand.

[Damaris]

Exactly what you're saying. Of course.

[Mal]

I mean, it's commercial, entertaining, fun, good.

[Julian]

It's formulaic music.

[Damaris]

It's likable.

[Julian]

Likable music? Yeah, it's likable.

[Damaris]

So, but see, this is not. But see, this is a very, you know, Yasin is hip hop, like to the core. Like, he's hip hop.

[Mal]

Of course, yeah.

[Damaris]

So asking somebody like him is Drake, who is obviously who raps, who makes hip hop music, who makes pop music, popular music. So asking Yassin is Drake hip hop. It's like, that's like asking, you know, is asking Henry Ford or whoever made the Ford car is a Tesla car. It's kind of like it's a car, but it's not. You know what I mean? It's like, where's the.

[Rory]

It doesn't burn fossil fuels.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It's like it doesn't put a hole in the ozone.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, you know, you want that original, that core. So, I mean, yes, Drake is Drake. To me, Drake is hip hop. But Drake is more than just hip hop. He's a. He makes pop music, he makes R and B music. He makes, you know, Afrobeats. He makes. He. Drake is just one of those artists that touches many different genres, many different parts of the world. So it's not. Drake is hip hop. I would say he is hip hop, but he's more than just hip hop.

[Mal]

He's hip hop and pop.

[Damaris]

He's not just.

[Rory]

And he's R and B and he's. Yeah, he's everything.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And very few artists are like that. So before I get to my point that I want to make, I want to ask was this hating was most def hating?

[Damaris]

I'm not going to say hating. I'm going to say that this was just somebody who to his core is a hip hop head. And I think that he's always going to push hip hop for. And I think that, you know, it wasn't hating, but it was like that's not the hip hop that we know and that we push and that we, you know, stand for. But, you know, he makes good music.

[Mal]

The initial comment wasn't hating because it was hate.

[Rory]

It was hate. It was funny hate.

[Julian]

Drake Shade.

[Mal]

The initial comment wasn't because Drake is pop. I think there's more that we said. He is also hip. He's also all these other things.

[Rory]

That's, you know, that's not what most the hate.

[Mal]

The hate is the extra. The. The shopping shit, the dig about if I'm in the Target in Houston. That's the hate. He's not Roy Drake is pop. And I know he's more than.

[Damaris]

Drake is a. He's more than an anomaly, bro. He's more than all of that shit. Like I'm pretty sure if, you know, if Drake wanted to just rap every album, he can do that. He can make rap songs, he can make hip hop records. But he realizes that his fan base calls for different sounds. It calls for different type of music because his reach and his platform is so vast and goes around the world twice that he has different audiences that he has to try to please on each project. So it's like, yeah, he's not just hip hop. He's not. You're never gonna see Drake walking down the street and see a cypher and jump in the cypher and start giving. You might not see that.

[Rory]

That's how he started, though. We know for a fact Drake is a hip hop nerd. And I mean that as a compliment. Comeback season is rapping over fucking Kanye west soul beats and dilla beats. We know that Drake loves hip hop. I could even make a fucking case that his first single that got him out, Best I Ever had, is a boom Bap record, if you really want to get down to it. I know people would disagree with me. I. It has. It derives from boom.

[Mal]

Yeah, that beat.

[Rory]

It's a pop song as far as.

[Damaris]

The hook and everything.

[Rory]

That's. That beat derives from boombap. But. And we know Drake is boom bap, and that's where he comes from. Yasin is obviously entitled to his opinion. And when I said it was funny hate, he took it a little further. Then someone brought up that old screenshot of when Drake put out his poetry book. And I said, okay, I take it back. As far as hate, it's warranted hate. Yassin was holding on to this Drake DM'd complex. I believe it was when they did the piece where, like, models were reading Drake's poetry. Shit.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So he reached out and said, can you do an article now where the baddest Instagram girls in the world review my poetry book? Not the head of the most deaf fan club. Thanks, laughing emoji. Yasin is allowed to hate. It was hate, but he's allowed to hate.

[Damaris]

It was.

[Rory]

He threw an unnecessary shot at me for no fucking reason.

[Damaris]

I don't think those. I don't think it's hate, because I don't.

[Rory]

It's a little joke.

[Damaris]

It's a dig.

[Rory]

Somebody. Somebody could take that personally.

[Damaris]

No, you. Yeah, but then you talking about somebody that's just being overly sensitive because, like.

[Mal]

I understand that is hip hop.

[Damaris]

I understand what Drake is saying in that right there.

[Mal]

Hip hop is extremely sensitive.

[Damaris]

Well, artists. No, no, not just hip hop.

[Mal]

Artists Are, yes. But hip hop in particular, it's just.

[Damaris]

You know, that's a dig. It's like, you know, of course we don't expect those type of girls to understand this coffee table book that I put out or to understand just the joke behind it. Like I get it. But like that's. If you're talking to that type of person, can you talk to the type of person that this was intended for? So I understand that. So why he used Most Def's name, but any artist's name that he would have put there, it's a dig.

[Rory]

But just leave me alone. I don't bother anyone.

[Damaris]

Why are you trying to take. No, but the reason why I can't say that's hate is because I. Well, from what I. From what I know, I'm just an outside looking in. I don't think that Drake has any hate for Most Def.

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

Unless he asked for a verse and most never sent it or a record that you know he wanted to do it most and most said no. Maybe something that we don't know about. But just from the outside looking in, I don't see why it would be hate. Now dig and a shot is, you know, that's different.

[Rory]

I say all that to say Drake towards the latter part of his career has started to insult the fan base in which he comes from. He is hip hop and started out Boom Bap. We know his favorite. His favorite rapper is Fonte. We know what Drake was listening to growing up. Lately, anytime someone has brought up any digs towards for all the dogs, he always resorts back to. To people that like the type of hip hop that is a Yassin Bey that we're losers, we don't go outside, we don't get women. And he is now making fun of the community in which he comes from and who he really is. So I can see why most would look at that and be like, my fan base is who you want to take a dig at. You're making a mockery of what you come from. Now the point I wanted to make on the flip coin of that Most Def is sort has a hand in the responsibility of why Drake is a pop star now. Nobody championed Kanye west more than Most Def. He said at the first deaf poetry jam. I want to introduce to you the future of hip hop, Kanye West. That was before College Dropout came out.

[Mal]

Mm.

[Rory]

Nobody championed Kanye more than most. Kanye is the reason Drake is a pop star. He has said that we had never seen the real rap pop star until Kanye West. That was the Crossover. Stronger was the crossover. Drake and Kanye are extremely similar in their career paths.

[Damaris]

Wait, wait. Kanye is the reason that Drake is a pop star?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Nah, that's. That's too much to give. Kanye.

[Mal]

I don't think it's.

[Rory]

Drake has said on stage at. At OVO Fest, this is the. This man is the reason I exist. He said it in interviews.

[Damaris]

He is a saying.

[Rory]

I'm not saying I mean that as a compliment. I love. He's a carbon copy of some. We talk about it all the time. Curtis versus Graduation was the day that the street shit took a backseat.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And the quote unquote nerds took over. If that doesn't happen, Drake, I think, admittedly would say he probably would not have the welcoming that he had because he's very much a Kanye west, baby. And then 808s comes, and we obviously know. So far gone. We know that path. I don't need to explain that to people that have been around for a little bit. It starts with Mos. I think Kanye was comfortable singing in college dropout hooks because Most was singing hooks. Mos has been, in my opinion, one of the best rapper singers that we've had.

[Mal]

He does have a great.

[Rory]

He doesn't lean always into to singing all the time, but he was definitely a blueprint for that mid 2000s crew. Chappelle block party, if you will. That class.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Drake is their kid. Most is the one that championed Kanye west when no one would. Before. Before your brother did.

[Damaris]

I got. I, I, I, I would, I would. I could say that more for like a J. Cole, like when you say Most and Kanye. And like, I think that Drake obviously was influenced by Kanye loves Mos Fonte, all of those guys. It's just talent. We talking about just talented artists. But I think that, you know, Drake was going to be Drake no matter what. Just his skill set and his artistry.

[Rory]

Is just outside of. Outside of Lauryn Hill. I don't think we've seen a rapper turn pop before Kanye. And when I say that we've had rappers make rap songs that go pop. But Kanye west, who is a rapper and who is hip hop, to me, was the first mainstream artist to pop making elements of hip hop. But it's not really hip hop stronger with a Daft Punk thing. He's rapping on that shit. Don't get me wrong. But that's not a rap song. That's a pop song. Kanye was the one that commercialized that and made that happen. And that's how we have a Drake as well, we had never really seen that before. We had seen rap songs go pop. We had not seen rappers make pop music. Kanye made pop music by graduation.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Because on graduation, he said a lot of the impetus of that album, he's like, I want to make stadium music. I want to make music.

[Rory]

He said, get the high hats out of you.

[Mal]

I'm inspired by Coldplay. I'm inspired by big room music, whether it be electronic or alternative rock. He said, I want to make songs where when we're playing these at arenas, the whole crowd knows the cue to join in at certain points, just like at a rock show. And so he kind of, to Rory's point, neglected the elements of hip hop, where it's a lot of, like, head nodding and watching. And he was like, I want more participation. In comes, like, the strongers, the. The bigger hooks, the punchlines. Yeah. And because of the success of that, Drake could comfortably go down that lane and be like, okay, this is working. He doesn't have to be the person to pave it. He just needs to be the person that follows something that's already trending in that direction.

[Rory]

Yeah. And that's not to take away anything.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

He said on record before that that it was Kanye that laid this path down for me. And I know people are gonna be in the comments bringing up, like, Jay Z, Linkin park and all, like, but we've never seen a rapper go pot before Kanye West. And I'm saying I love that most. And maybe I'm reaching a bit here, and I'm thinking way too hard into it. I think it was a bit of a hypocritical statement by putting the tone on that, because I give him so much credit for producing the first pop rapper, which is Kanye West.

[Damaris]

You giving that to Most Def.

[Rory]

I think he was a. Him and Kweli were a very intricate part to Kanye becoming a rapper, because as we've. You know, we've all heard Last Call, your brothers just. They wanted the beats. They eventually was there.

[Damaris]

But that's not true.

[Rory]

But okay, I know I'm adding a little sauce to it just because you're sitting next to those of your brothers. But he was not taken seriously as a rapper. Most in quality were the ones like, no, we like your raps.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, yo, come open for us a lot of the labels and things like that, you know, because Kanye was producing for a lot of people, and then, you know, he was telling people, well, you know, I got the hook already on there. And then once he started playing the beats, with the hook, they was like, oh, that's you. Like, he's like, yeah, I rap. What, too? And that's how people started paying attention. But it wasn't until Dame Biggs, you.

[Rory]

Know, they started like, even if you watched in the. Is it Yeezus?

[Mal]

Oh, the Doc. Yes.

[Rory]

Yeah. If you.

[Damaris]

Genius, genius, genius.

[Rory]

If you look at that point, Mos brings Kanye west out at Irving Plaza and introduce him as. This is the guy that made the H to the Izzo beat. Nobody was taking him serious as a rapper, and Mose was like, he's gonna freestyle for a second. This was in the middle. And you know how crazy Blackstar was at that time.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Who else was giving him looks? He was putting him on Def Poetry Jam before anything. Most was the one and Quali as well, that champion Kanye west to become a rapper, not just a beat maker in. In the public eye. I'm not saying there wasn't people behind the scenes like, bro, I like your raps. Or. Or Scarface, like, no, you're dope. I'll give you a swap for a verse if you can give me this beat. Not saying that wasn't it, but Most was the first person that I feel championed Kanye west from the rap side.

[Damaris]

He was. I mean, those guys, because those are guys that he was. He was with, he was hanging out with, he was popping up at their shows. They was letting him, like, you said, get on the stage and things like that. So you're not wrong in that. They definitely. Mose and Tyler was definitely some of the few artists that embraced him early and gave him a platform to. To get his shit off, for sure.

[Rory]

And I'm not saying Most knew that he was gonna. Well, even though I've heard Quali and Yasin both say, like, they knew Kanye was going to be a superstar, I don't think they were like, he's going to become a pop star.

[Julian]

That's what. That's what I was going to say, where I'm like, rory, you can't really blame him for that, because I don't think they knew the direction that he was going to go with it.

[Rory]

I mean, but you have to see your involvement in what you champion. I don't put every last thing of Kanye west on Yasin. I just think it was interesting to have that tone about a genre that you kind of helped create.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, that's all my favorite part of this whole back and forth is. Is rap Twitter. The Rap Twitter back and forth is the. Is the younger kids, younger fans that who are unfamiliar with most def being able to see, oh, if this is a thing, who is this guy? And now they can go back and do the back catalog research. I spent most of my weekend listening to most def. I was like. It felt like I was in middle school again. It was super nostalgic. I'm just happy that these new kids can see and are probably more listening to his music now than ever. So for me, that's the win of this whole thing.

[Damaris]

And I was about to say that's, to me, a lot of the times when moments like this go viral. Yeah, I'm cool with that because I know what it's gonna cause. It's gonna cause people to want to go back, and the kids that are nerds will look back, like, you know, bring up old interviews and listen to some old records and things like that. So, I mean, you know, it's all part of the ecosystem of music and our culture at the end of the day, Whether it comes from artists throwing a dig at each other or things like that, or a little bit of celebratory hate, you know, I think that it's. It's a win no matter what.

[Rory]

And I'm gonna choose my words carefully because I want to. You know, Yasin's a private person. To the people that think Yassin most def music scares the hoes, you should do some research on Yasin's roster. That's all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

Who said his music scares the hoes? Damn.

[Mal]

You know, that was.

[Rory]

That was a thing like when people were going back and forth all day Saturday. You know, like, scare the. Scare the hoes has become a term that I think replaced lyrical miracle. Remember when he's like, yo, I want to hear that lyrical miracle. Now that term is scare the host, which doesn't necessarily mean actually scaring promiscuous women.

[Damaris]

It's just gonna. It just.

[Rory]

It kill. It kills the vibe.

[Damaris]

Kills the vibe in the room. Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. Y'all should do a little bit more research on. On Yasin's back catalog. That's not music. That's all I'm saying.

[Julian]

I don't think he makes scared women.

[Rory]

Loved.

[Julian]

Yeah, Yasi maybe scare the young hoes.

[Rory]

I mean, jid surround sound is. I mean, of course it samples Aretha Franklin, but we know where he got that sample from, and it was from miss Fat booty. Yeah, I've seen that blend together. And the host kept dancing.

[Damaris]

They definitely did.

[Mal]

Ms. Fat Booty is. Yeah, that's a. That's a positive. I was like that one.

[Rory]

There was also a time when I.

[Damaris]

But you don't like fat booty. So is it.

[Mal]

What are you talking. You literally said off camera right before we started recording, I fuck skinny women. You literally said that.

[Damaris]

What does that have to do with me saying you don't like.

[Mal]

I like fat booties, too. It's not.

[Damaris]

What is he talking about? What does that have to do. Now that you got. No, no, no. Now that you got the mic, what does that do? Telling you that you don't like fat booties.

[Mal]

I like fat booties.

[Julian]

Show me one fat booty. I don't believe you.

[Mal]

I like a fat ass. What he said about Rory's dad.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Yeah, but my dad actually likes fat.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, I like fat. No, I'm coming right at you.

[Mal]

Nah.

[Damaris]

Show me a girl with a fat ass that you ever fucked on Patreon.

[Mal]

I will not right now.

[Damaris]

All right, I'll show you.

[Mal]

I got. Come on. We're not doing that.

[Rory]

We actually not do that. I don't want them finding.

[Mal]

Well, they won't see. No, no. We're not sharing photos. We learned that.

[Damaris]

I just want him to show me personally. I don't need to. Nobody got to see that. I just want to see. Because, you know, your. Your interpretation of fat booty might be like, I like.

[Rory]

Did you pull one up really quickly that to not show and just text from.

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Rory]

A photo tomorrow. So you can just say yes or no.

[Damaris]

Show it to Damaris, and Damaris go let us know what's happening.

[Rory]

Right, but you already know it's gonna be.

[Damaris]

No, no. Show it to Damaris, and she gonna let us know what's happening right now. I don't even gotta see it.

[Mal]

That is fat.

[Julian]

Say it, Julian.

[Rory]

Or is it just. Or is it just a fat girl?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's definitely.

[Mal]

No, it's definitely not a fat girl.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's definitely not a fact. You ain't never had it. You ain't never had. You ain't never had £250.

[Mal]

That's a big ass. We're not doing that.

[Julian]

She has a nice butt for her shape. It is not a fat ass.

[Mal]

Small.

[Damaris]

Okay?

[Julian]

I'm telling y'all.

[Mal]

It's not a fat small.

[Damaris]

But you ain't never had £250 of loving, though.

[Mal]

No, definitely not.

[Damaris]

I know. See, he don't know what he misses.

[Rory]

Broke my little frame, but it was worth it.

[Damaris]

I enjoyed the ride. My hip ain't been the same, but it.

[Rory]

My pelvis was shattered.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

You a 250 pound girl before probably 220.

[Mal]

Well, I got more too.

[Damaris]

This ain't a 2 20. Yeah. This ain't a fat boat. This ain't a fat boot, bro.

[Rory]

I don't know if I've hit.

[Damaris]

It's nice 50.

[Rory]

That's cute. But two 220? Yeah.

[Damaris]

You never hit a 250.

[Rory]

I don't. I didn't weigh her before. I was.

[Damaris]

I'm just going wrong get off the scale. Well, you ain't never see a boxing fight where they didn't weigh in right. You got to weigh in before you go in there with that big girl. You got to get on the scale. So I know what I'm doing.

[Mal]

I'm really trying to think because I don't. I always. I don't never know how much people weigh. Always grossly.

[Damaris]

250 in the bed.

[Mal]

No, definitely not. Yes, no, I know that.

[Damaris]

See scared you. Julia.

[Julian]

How much do you think I weigh?

[Mal]

I'm not going to do that.

[Julian]

I really don't like. You can't offend me. I'm telling you.

[Damaris]

Look at baby dance. So I'm good. Baby D a solid. You a solid. Because I'm you. You bout.

[Rory]

I'm nervous too.

[Damaris]

You about 168, Julian.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm not answering this. Just go.

[Julian]

I promise you I won't. I wouldn't add a joke, but I am not gonna be offended.

[Mal]

I would. Sure. I'll do. I'll take a. I'll do less than mall. I'll say 1:58.

[Rory]

I'll do 10 pounds less sales predictions. But Damaris's weight.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

168.

[Julian]

171.

[Damaris]

Well, I told you. Come on, yomi. I could add that eight ball sitting on the table. I know how many grams is right there.

[Mal]

God damn.

[Rory]

She looks like she weighs a hundred bricks.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the point.

[Rory]

You remember what the weight was of the 92 bricks?

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

When they were shipped. So that's how you gauge everything.

[Mal]

Demera said it's the proportion because like I. I weigh. I'm like £6 more than Damaris. And I mean it's like I'm significantly larger than Damaris.

[Julian]

You're taller. You're taller.

[Mal]

But I just. I. I don't know. I guess I'm just. I'm up. I don't know how I always base it off height. Not like.

[Rory]

But I don't gotta add in the hair gel that weight.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah. Some grams.

[Rory]

Yeah. What do you. What do you think Rel's weight is.

[Damaris]

About a smooth. About 153.

[Mal]

Really? How do you know this?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I got 48.

[Rory]

I got 7.

[Julian]

147.

[Damaris]

145. 1.

[Rory]

145. Okay.

[Mal]

All right.

[Damaris]

Right there.

[Mal]

But how tall are you?

[Rory]

Like five, seven.

[Julian]

Five seven.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's probably. That's probably good.

[Rory]

It's a healthy weight.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's like a good bmi.

[Damaris]

Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

[Rory]

It's like what Europeans weigh, because there's not.

[Mal]

Before I started lifting, I was 155 and I looked sick. And then I started look like the women that I throwing 20 pounds of muscle immediately shut up.

[Damaris]

All right. And I ain't gonna lie, man. I don't like the way most deaf started sounding like Sir Ben Kingsley towards the end of that. Like, where you get that accent from? I know he's been out of. I know he's been out of America for a few years, but he. He started sounding like Sir Ben Kingsley at the end of that podcast a little bit. I don't know.

[Rory]

I mean, we've seen him do characters before. He's a great actor.

[Damaris]

That's what I'm saying. I can't take these guys because it's like, are you acting? Are you for real right now?

[Rory]

I think he was executing a hilarious joke.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

And put on that accent shopping, like.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, it's like, what is this, huh? So good outside.

[Rory]

Well, actually, speaking of Drake, he doesn't make scare the whole music, obviously. Probably makes the greatest music for the hoes. I just don't know who he's hanging out with at the club. Shouldn't it be the hoes?

[Damaris]

Well, he does.

[Rory]

Why is there little kids in the club with Drake? Not make. Relax. I'm not doing an Aaron Rodgers thing here. I'm not saying that whatsoever. And it's not just Drake. What's this young man's name?

[Damaris]

Young man?

[Mal]

FNG Lil King.

[Rory]

So this kid is a rapper that just goes to the club with other rappers?

[Mal]

Well, don't be rude. It was his 11th birthday, so they were, you know, like most rappers going to the club to celebrate a birthday.

[Damaris]

What's his name?

[Mal]

Fng Lil King.

[Damaris]

Well, happy birthday to Fng Lil King.

[Rory]

You don't mean that.

[Mal]

He's the big one one.

[Damaris]

We talking about him on his 11th birthday weekend.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you, like, you're really excited about his birthday.

[Damaris]

I'm not excited. I'm just wishing him a happy birthday.

[Rory]

But you found out about him just now.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah. I don't I don't know who he is. I don't. I don't follow. I don't follow him. His music.

[Rory]

But do you think he'd listen to my beats? Pause.

[Damaris]

Definitely not.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

You don't look like you make the type of beats that effing little King would be, so.

[Rory]

I don't make beats for D'Angelo. I don't make them for.

[Damaris]

I didn't know. I never said you didn't make beats for D'Angelo. I just said when and where you play a beat for D'Angelo is the difference.

[Rory]

All right, so can you guys give me a little bit more backstory? Is this just.

[Damaris]

I have this. Who is this kid?

[Rory]

It's just another thing that celebrities take a photo of him because it's the moment.

[Damaris]

So, you know, little Terry, little Terrier. That's how old I am.

[Julian]

Effing King.

[Rory]

I have a story about this area.

[Julian]

He's connected to Finesse Two Times. I don't know if you guys know who Finesse.

[Mal]

That's his management team.

[Damaris]

He has two. Two girls, two sisters pregnant at the same time. Right.

[Rory]

Does he. Oh, swag.

[Damaris]

Good.

[Mal]

This kid's in good hands.

[Julian]

I don't know where his dick's been. Like, Honestly?

[Damaris]

No. I mean, I think. No. Finesse Two Times is very open about that. Like, I think. I think he has sisters pregnant or he has two girlfriends.

[Mal]

That's what the two stands for.

[Damaris]

Proud. I mean, he's living. He. Listen, he's living his art. You gotta respect. But I do think he has either sisters or two girls pregnant, like, currently or something like that.

[Julian]

Well, FNG King has a song that went viral. He. It's called Glorilla Mode. It came out seven months ago and it has 4.4 million views on YouTube. And his latest one, he dropped a month ago, has 648, 000 views.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Julian]

YouTube. So he's. He's not unpopular?

[Damaris]

Oh, no, he's popular.

[Mal]

Amongst who, though?

[Damaris]

Amongst his peers. Demographic amongst his demographic amongst. You know, Obviously, he has 4 million views on his video. Like, he's popular.

[Mal]

I mean, we know how that. As a former digital marketer, optics are one thing. You can fabricate everything.

[Damaris]

That's very true.

[Mal]

This 4 million on YouTube means jack shit.

[Julian]

I don't know about meaning jack shit.

[Mal]

I could get a. I could get in one of our videos. 4 million views tomorrow.

[Julian]

Can you do that?

[Rory]

Then they might tick us off YouTube.

[Mal]

I'm saying it's like.

[Rory]

That happens when people buy views, their pages get taken down, labels do it every week. That's true. I mean, but then they just hit, you know, text Leora on the side. Yeah, they'll take this one down. I was a little nervous to have this conversation because I didn't want to sound like the Debbie Downer and like ruining all the fun because I feel like I do that a lot. And I don't know, we've seen a bunch of kids that are viral for the moment and it never works out well for them. Like it never, it never helps their growth as going into adulthood.

[Damaris]

Well, he's a, he's an artist. He's a rapper, right?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Damaris]

So he's, he's pretty big on YouTube, I'm assuming. So I mean, I guess he's just, you know, this is what's different from this than when, obviously. Well, he's probably not as big as Bow was at that time, but Bow Wow was in the clubs when he was 12.

[Mal]

Different time.

[Damaris]

13 also.

[Rory]

I think Bow, I would say that just did. Did not help.

[Damaris]

Well, he told us that overall life.

[Mal]

Yeah, but still you don't see this as like grooming?

[Damaris]

In a sense it is, but again it's, you know, if that's the music that he's making, then he's right on par.

[Rory]

I don't see it as grooming. I think it's taking advantage of a moment that is only going to affect that kid in a negative way and no one else.

[Mal]

Yeah, like this.

[Rory]

That's how I view this. I don't want to be the Debbie Downer here, but this, this is fucked up.

[Mal]

Yeah. This video isn't going to affect Drake or change Drake's lifestyle or perception on women at all. This kid is going to be the one catching all the. Yeah.

[Rory]

The trauma from then. I was scared that I'm now going to go down the gender path because we'd all be up in arms, rightfully so, if they had an 11 year old girl in the club dancing with female rappers. But because it's a boy, we don't give a fuck. And this is going to possibly ruin his life and his perception on women, nightlife, just everything in general materialism. But because it's a little boy, we don't give a fuck.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean we'd be up in.

[Rory]

Arms if this was a little girl, as we should be. But we should also be up in arms of how this could be extremely harming to a young boy. And I'm sorry that I'm the Debbie Downer of this topic because I know it's just Fun viral stuff and little kids rap with money. Like why we had to talk about real.

[Damaris]

We're here to talk about.

[Rory]

So yeah, I don't know. I watched Littleterio be in a hotel lobby after Trollectro in 2013, 2012, whenever it was a whole group of adults at 3am surrounding Little Therio with their cameras out, trying to get him to do the dance. And it's 3am and this kid is like, what? What are y'all doing?

[Damaris]

Yeah, this is not.

[Rory]

This is not healthy for a developing brain.

[Damaris]

Well, when we sat down with JD and Bow wow, that was one of the things we asked Bow Wow, do we think that, you know, that part of his life, him being in the clubs and being around women and having access to all these women at that young of an age, did it affect him and you know, his adulthood? And he said absolutely it did. There's no doubt about it that it definitely affected him in a negative way when it came to his relationships with women as an adult. I think that this is some of the same. I mean, I think this. He's around, he's in the strip club. It looks like he's in the strip club throwing money. He's around. So at 11 years old doing that, you start to, at a young age look at women very differently. You start to have interactions with your peers differently. So his age group, because, you know, at 11 years old, you hanging out with Drake and little baby and all these guys, like, you know, what does that do when you go, if he's even in school? I don't know if you go to school now, like, how do you act with, you know, your peers in your school?

[Rory]

And we've all. And that's why I do give Bow Wow a lot of credit for coming out relatively sane. Like because we've seen plenty of child stars. Oh yeah, it goes back off the rocker.

[Damaris]

It goes back.

[Rory]

And while this kid is not a child star, if you look at like the collie coke and Drew Barrymore, but list goes on of child stars that did just stay in the business and continue on. We saw that they got up but they were always still in the spotlight somehow this kid, and I'm sorry if I'm hating on 11 year olds, there's a high possibility that this is just a moment thing. So who's going to explain to 11 year old when nobody cares about the.

[Mal]

Viral moment anymore when you turn 13?

[Rory]

It's already damaging to have a kid in the spotlight as we've seen. But those kids at least maintained a Success level and an attention level while they were hooked on drugs and up their life. This. What happens when this passes? Who's explaining to when he turns 12 and little baby doesn't reply to his DM? Sorry if I'm putting this on people on their jacket. But when Drake doesn't reply to his dms, when all the people that wanted to take pictures with him and use this moment no longer care, and when he goes to the club and the bouncer says you're 12 years old, you can't come in because you're not. This isn't a thing anymore. Who's going to explain to that 12 year old why nobody is paying attention to him anymore?

[Damaris]

But what if he grow, what if he. What if he continues to have a.

[Rory]

Flourishing, I hope, hope that happens career.

[Mal]

But what sucks is now I'm just.

[Rory]

Going off the basis of viral moments and how long they usually last. That's all I'm saying.

[Mal]

Yeah, and now that's why I was.

[Rory]

Scared to talk about this because I'm sounding like a Debbie Downer hater.

[Damaris]

It's okay.

[Julian]

No, you sound like an adult.

[Mal]

No, you're right, because he's a vic now. He's a victim of changed since you had a kid.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna have to tell you that.

[Rory]

In a bad way.

[Mal]

No, I think to Roy's point, he's a victim of the people that he's. The people that are controlling his likeness in his career. Like his life is in their hands. So he's a victim of how they want to push him and how well they can push him and how he's publicly perceived. So like we know in the music business, it's a revolving door. This will run its course and either they find a younger, not a younger, they're not going to whatever. They find another artist that's even hotter and they'll divert and put all their attention into that. And like most artists, you get benched or you're no longer the priority. Like that's going to happen. It's going to happen at some point with this kid. He will no longer be the face that they're pushing. Then it's okay. Now what when you have to be alone and when you're not the hottest thing in the club, but also you're not in your 20s. You're a child.

[Damaris]

Right.

[Mal]

That's gonna, it's just, it's. You're setting this kid up for long.

[Damaris]

Again, we're speaking of if he absolutely has no career, no long standing career.

[Mal]

We know how this Industry works.

[Damaris]

I mean, well now more than ever. Yeah, it is fly by night. Yeah, it's like it's over pretty quickly for a lot of people.

[Rory]

Not everyone has the her story where they put her out at 13 as Gabby Wilson and it didn't work out and then she came back as an adult. Rarely happens. And I hope I am not wishing anything ill on little King. I actually, it's the opposite. I really hope he has a good support system and family around him because I don't care if you're 11, 21, 40. This is the worst business as far as maintaining it is. And it up 30 year olds. Imagine how it could up an 11 year old. That's all I'm really getting at. And not to go back to most def, but the last part that no one really talked about. What happens when the empire crumbles? What happens when the values of everything that we're talking about in the music destroys the genre that we have. Obviously this is an extremely small portion of it, but it's. It's part of a crumbling empire when we're having 11 year olds in the club with rappers and chains and money and like.

[Damaris]

I mean, I can't speak and I.

[Rory]

Sound like a Debbie. I like. I like ignorant music too. I like ignorant. But the. When there's no balance.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

What's the messaging here?

[Damaris]

Listen, I'm guilty, man. I clubbed with Bow Wow when he was like 12, 13.

[Mal]

Debbie, you were like 16.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

You were both legally in line.

[Damaris]

I was like 18, 19. I was like 19. I think. I think he may have been 12, 13. I may have been like 18, 19.

[Rory]

Paint the picture for us.

[Damaris]

It was All Star weekend.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Damaris]

D.C. 2001. I think it was D.C. all Star weekend.

[Julian]

Ooh, I know it was going crazy up in there.

[Damaris]

Oh man. It was a time. It was a time to be alive pre 9 11. Yeah.

[Rory]

Cause this was February and this is.

[Mal]

Probably right after they wrapped shooting like Mike because like Mike came out in 2002.

[Damaris]

I don't know but I know, listen, I was with my brother Jay and you know Jay, this is some stuff. God bless. Aaliyah was with us. So it was when Bow Wow walked in though, superstar. It was like, yo, it was grown women going crazy and I'm just like, yo, Shorty is like 12.

[Mal]

It's Calvin Coolidge.

[Damaris]

But you know, he was with J.D. and you know, they walked in the club. But yeah, so I'm guilty. I partied with a 12 year old man.

[Julian]

It is you passed on the bottle?

[Damaris]

No, see, the marriage.

[Julian]

I was just asking different times back, I didn't know.

[Damaris]

I did not pass Little bow Wow. A 12 year old bow wow bottle.

[Mal]

Well, his baby bottle.

[Rory]

But you could imagine that there was probably a very irresponsible person that. No, he was with my family was passing me that.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

At family parties.

[Damaris]

No, no.

[Rory]

So I'm not judging anyone I know at a club. I know somebody passed Little Bowels.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's an Irish like way.

[Damaris]

Yeah, right. A different culture. I'm talking about just that I'm only speaking on that night in the club in dc.

[Mal]

That's true.

[Damaris]

I think it was Zanzibar might've been the name of the club. I was 11, this is 20 years ago. Zanzibar, I think that was the name of the club, whatever it was, Heleno Rose Bar. But he was with JD and they had him. He was just in the section with them, just chilling. He wasn't drinking anything like that. But he was there with them. And I remember the pandemonium that he definitely caused when everybody saw that Bow Wow was there. And I'm just like, that's crazy. That's 12 years old. And I was young. I was like only 18, 19. I wasn't 21 legal to be in the club. But seeing a 12 year old bow wow walk in the club and how people reacted to him and then obviously seeing a career he had beyond that and after that, I mean, he's one of the success stories that we could talk about. But even him, he said it with us and how it definitely affected him and changed his life and his relationship with women. For sure. Having that, that success early and having access to women that early definitely changed his view and his energy with women.

[Julian]

So why you ain't bring that up? Like why you ain't bring up. Bow, you remember you was in the club with me like when we did our interview.

[Damaris]

Think I would do that? You think I'm that type of.

[Julian]

Nah, but you could have brought. Not like brought it up.

[Rory]

Yo, we shared a section. Oh, one.

[Damaris]

Yeah, 2001. Yo, you don't remember me also weekend 01 was crazy.

[Julian]

I was joking when I said that. But I do think that in our interview that would have been something funny to bring up.

[Rory]

Yeah, it would have been funny.

[Damaris]

He didn't even remember when we was in the strip club together like a month before that. I was like, yo. He's like, yo, why you ain't call me? I'm like, yo, you was standing right there fam like, you was there. He was like, oh, like, you think I'm like, Yo, 2001 DC Allstar. He was 12. You don't remember me?

[Rory]

Also, like, 15 minutes before that, he screamed, I'm going to take a million dollars out cash.

[Julian]

And we went to the strip club. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Hilarious. Classic.

[Rory]

But I don't know. I mean, man.

[Damaris]

Happy birthday, Lil King.

[Rory]

Yeah, happy birthday.

[Damaris]

All that turn up when all the.

[Rory]

Grown women started screaming when Bow Wow came in, like, did you hate a little bit?

[Damaris]

Nah.

[Rory]

Were you kind of like.

[Mal]

Yeah, you were. You were like, he's like 4, 6.

[Rory]

It was a little kid, man.

[Mal]

Yeah. Can't even dunk. Said that was cgi.

[Damaris]

I'm gonna tell you some funny.

[Rory]

Send y'all bottles.

[Damaris]

You know who was out. You know who was outside our hotel that was getting off his tour bus for like, 15 girls trying to run on his tour bus? Carrie Kittles, Lil Romeo, R. Kelly. Oh, well, y'all up, right?

[Mal]

Were they running on the Debbie Downer? Were they running. Were they running on the bus at their will? Or was he like, get on the bus?

[Damaris]

Oh, no, they was lined up for the R2001. It was still a R. Like, he ain't have all the shit he had on his name now. Actually, he did now, think about. It was out. That tape was out after that. But we kind of, like, kicked that under the rug.

[Mal]

That was a promo run.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but n. They was. They was outside his tour bus trying to get on his tour bus. For sure. I remember that.

[Rory]

He's. I mean, even at the court hearings, he had him lined up.

[Mal]

Wait, you clubbed with R. Kelly?

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's too. This is the early 2000s, man. Don't put that on my jacket, man.

[Mal]

No, I'm not. I'm not saying. You should have had the hindsight. This is All Star weekend.

[Damaris]

This is D.C. chocolate City all Star Weekend. Everybody was there. Are you kidding me?

[Rory]

Finally. Maul, you are opening up with stories from that time period when we were all extremely young, when I was. I try to pry these stories out of you. I'm. I'm a nerd that idolized y'all as a kid. I want to hear the stories, but you keep them to yourself. And it bothers me.

[Damaris]

I mean, I only keep it to myself because, I mean, it's one of those. When you was there in the moment, it was cool. But it's a lot of stories, man. It's a lot of stories. But that was one, though. R. Kelly, like, being outside the hotel was hilarious. But I remember everybody was like, yo, it's about 30 girls trying to get on his bus.

[Rory]

Do you have any girls? Great hov clubbing stories or anything? One to help a nerd like me out.

[Damaris]

Remember the first time? The first time I actually drove, like, the first time I actually drove, like, like nighttime on the highway in Manhattan was a night that me, Biggs, Jay and Tata went to the club. Went to. I think it was Cheetahs.

[Julian]

That's a nasty crew.

[Mal]

What a crew.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

How. Well, how old were you at this though?

[Damaris]

Might have been like around the same age. 18, 19.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Might have been like 18. I think I definitely was like. I think I was just out of high school, so like maybe 18.

[Rory]

So you were asking them like, yo, when we pull up, let me drive.

[Damaris]

No, no, no.

[Rory]

What I'm working with, put it in neutral.

[Damaris]

It was the total opposite.

[Rory]

Like, I was definitely did two laps around.

[Damaris]

Total opposite. I wasn't even. I wasn't even driving. I wasn't even driving at that at that point yet. I think. I mean, I knew how to drive, but I hadn't like driven by myself, like in a car at that point yet.

[Rory]

I'm also going to assume that Jay probably had a car. It wasn't a Honda, which is a little easier to drive for the first time. No, I still have trouble driving like a Maybach.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, this was. This was. We was chilling, I think. I think we was just chilling at the crib. And damn, looking back. Cause Jay, my bro, they was young. He was only like 33 or something like that. So that was like. Yeah, that was like them wanting to be out all the time. But we went to a club. Somebody's having a party. It's like, we're going to the club. Go to the club. So Jay had. He had Puff's. He had Puff's Bentley. I think Puff had gave him his car for the week. Puff was like out of town or something like that. And so then my brother was like, yo, I'm gonna take your Bentley. So I remember it was back to back Bentley. We going down the west side. I'm like, the niggas on the block ain't gonna never believe this shit. We going down the west side highway. Baby blue Bentley. I think Puffs Bentley was darker blue. I think Jace Bentley was like baby blue or something like that. Or it might have been reversed. We driving. So we pull up to the club. It's a bunch of people outside. I mean, it was lit. This was like before. Nobody had camera phones. So it was like, if you wasn't on that block, you ain't see the movie. That's just how it was. It was like, if you ain't outside, you didn't see the movie.

[Mal]

They were like, oh, my God, it's Maul now.

[Damaris]

I'm young. Yeah, right? I'm young. So I'm just like, n. I'm in. All of this shit is just like, yo. Like, I'm not even supposed to be. I'm not even supposed to be here.

[Rory]

You definitely told a girl, you gotta give me your number. Before you could talk to Jay. You were one of those guys.

[Damaris]

Nah, but I was. Cause this was the time. This was the time before. It was before the whole club was vip, before the whole club was table, bottle, section.

[Mal]

Before you guys ruined that, before you ruined nightlife.

[Damaris]

It was like, so if you want to. If you want to come over here. I was like, I had to go out and find the girls. So it was like, all right, cool. So I'm young. I'm like, fuck it. Whatever y'all want me to do, just to hang out with y'all, I'm doing it. Go in the club, bring some girls back to the. To the section, whatever. They got so twisted, right? So I'm like. I'm looking around. They like, yo, who gonna drive? So my brother, like, Big's like, yo, I'm. I can't fucking. I'm Twist. He like, yo, you know how to drive. Fuck it. You gotta drive. I'm fucked up. So at first it's cool. Cause you coming out of it. It was the parking lot. The parking lot was right across the street from the club. So it's like, all right, it's cool right here. But mind you, I never got on the highway. Then I got Jay this fucking big ass Bentley. Like, I'm like, oh, man. Like, I'm. I'm gonna fucking crash this shit 100%.

[Mal]

Were you driving Jay or Puffs?

[Damaris]

No, Jay's car.

[Mal]

Okay. That's a good starter car.

[Damaris]

So we.

[Rory]

We learned to drive in a Bentley.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, I didn't learn. I knew how to drive, but it.

[Mal]

Was still like, you know, at night on the highway.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm just like, yo.

[Rory]

And.

[Damaris]

And it's like, you know, people drunk. I'm just like, oh. So I'm nervous. I'm like, God damn, I'm gonna end up crashing this shit. So we pull out the lot or whatever. So now I'm kinda, you know, I'm feeling myself. Cause it's like, I'm Just I'm driving. But we ain't really going nowhere. Cause the block is packed that the club is on. Soon as we turned around. Cause it was right there by, I wanna say, Houston. I think that's what Club Cheetah, right there in that area. So soon as we came around to get back on the west side highway to go back to Jersey, nigga, I start shitting bricks. I'm like, yo, dawg, like, I hold 92 of them. Yeah, like 92 bricks, yo. I'm like, yo, like, dog, like, what the fuck? But you know, I did the speed limit. Jay was like, yo, listen, just stay behind me. That's all you gotta do. Just stay behind me. We just gonna. I was like, all right, bet. So we literally might have did about 60 up the west side Highway. Twisted, though. Like them niggas was twisted. But that was the first time I remember driving, like, leaving the club young. I ain't supposed to be behind his wheel. I was drinking. Like it was just a bad time. See, bad influences, man.

[Julian]

That's how you turned out. Now you talk shit on podcast.

[Mal]

Imagine being an 11 year old.

[Rory]

Those cars are very difficult. Difficult to drive. The only time I ever drove like a Maybach or a Bentley was the intro to the Emotional Oranges down to Miami video. They had this great idea that I would play the driver.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And they got a Bentley, I think. Or was it Maybach? I forgot.

[Damaris]

I think it was the Bentley that was on. It was on. On. On the COVID of. What was it? Is it Hard Knock Life? Was it the Bentley? J had the blue one.

[Julian]

Okay. So that just makes it like super.

[Damaris]

The.

[Rory]

The dark. Yeah, the Navy Volume 2.

[Damaris]

I think that was the same car.

[Rory]

You parked it in in the studio in the white. Psych.

[Damaris]

No, not that one. Because that wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't convertible. I can't remember. But it was like the Bentley Anage, I think that's the name of that one was Go Great times.

[Rory]

Go real quick to the video. Julian started from the top.

[Damaris]

They.

[Mal]

That's a Rolls Royce.

[Rory]

It was Rolls Royce then. I see. I forgot, bro. I drive a Mazda. They put like a mark down to.

[Damaris]

Where you're supposed to stop at.

[Rory]

Yeah. And here's. I had never driven a Rolls Royce before.

[Damaris]

And I'm a. I realized them brakes was kind of.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, I think I'm a pretty good. All that weight driver. So I tried it once. Completely it up. Because the brake and even just touching that pedal, that whole jumps.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I then took that I took it around the block a few times to practice, and, like, I almost hit a mailbox.

[Damaris]

Practice to practice.

[Rory]

Because I had to pull it into it. Like, that's a big body Rolls Royce to get into the entrance of that driveway. Thank God for practicing driving into Queens driveways because you only get this much.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

Between the house.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I had some experience at least.

[Damaris]

Trying to do that practice on smaller driveway.

[Rory]

When I say the director was, like, starting to get a little upset with me that I kept missing that mark in the Rolls Royce.

[Damaris]

It's okay.

[Rory]

But.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you're like a Karen driver, though. You're like. You would be a great, like, carpool driver for, like, soccer moms. Like, you like a soccer mom driver.

[Rory]

Go on.

[Damaris]

Very safe.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, land it.

[Damaris]

Very safe.

[Mal]

You think Rory is a safe.

[Rory]

I'm not a safe driver.

[Damaris]

He is.

[Rory]

I'm a great driver, but not a safe one.

[Mal]

He is. Yeah. Yes, you're a good driver. You're not. He's not like, the safest.

[Damaris]

Why you say he's not safe?

[Mal]

I've been in the car a lot.

[Damaris]

But what's, like, not safe about his.

[Mal]

Driving fast and angry?

[Damaris]

You think Rory drops?

[Julian]

He'll dip in and out of traffic, too.

[Mal]

Like, he's the king of, like, the cheat slides, too.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Oh, I love that.

[Mal]

Like, he's like, I'm.

[Damaris]

He.

[Mal]

If there's a. If he's getting off the ramp and the line is, you know, a quarter mile up the freeway, he'll go right up until the end.

[Damaris]

That's what you're supposed to do. You stay on the back of the line.

[Mal]

No, I'm not saying it's a bad move, but I'm saying there's a lot of, like, aggressive moves that he makes.

[Damaris]

Well, you gotta be aggressive driving in New York City, though. Like, when you grow up learning to drive in New York City, like, you're just naturally a more aggressive driver. Because if you're not, you'll be at the same one traffic light for eight minutes.

[Rory]

Like, tell me how to drive passively on the Grand Central or Van Wick.

[Damaris]

No, there's no way.

[Mal]

No, I'm not. But that's the thing. You're.

[Rory]

Luckily, you drive at 4pm and let me know how. How passive.

[Damaris]

Julie, you know how to drive?

[Mal]

Yeah, girl I drew drove upstairs.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You upstate driving.

[Mal]

I drive, like, once or twice a year now.

[Rory]

You drove with them when we drove back from D.C. we split. Yeah, I split time.

[Damaris]

I was. I might have been.

[Mal]

I'm like, a little Tamer version of Rory. I won't make, like, the wild, aggressive moves, but I like to move fast. I like to be in the lane that's like actually going.

[Julian]

I'm a very fat.

[Mal]

I'm not a stop, go guy. Let me go.

[Damaris]

Oh, baby. Do you drive, too?

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm from upstate. I had to know how to.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah, Yeah. I had to drive when y'all was, like, 14.

[Mal]

I haven't had a car, though, since 2012.

[Julian]

I've never owned my own car. I always used my parents.

[Mal]

My brother told it.

[Julian]

So whoever I was dating, I never had my own car.

[Rory]

But y'all have. Y'all been in the car with me when I drive with Amara, because that's a drastically different.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Julian]

But we were that drive city, so it's like you're not really going anywhere.

[Rory]

That drive home from the hospital was like the scariest. That I went five miles.

[Mal]

It's like the end of Knocked Up.

[Damaris]

You thought you're gonna break it.

[Mal]

You know the end. Break it, break it.

[Damaris]

He's gonna break. I don't want to break her. Like, what?

[Rory]

Just drop. She's really fragile right now.

[Julian]

She's a brand new mirror you just bought from Crate and Barrel.

[Mal]

You know the end.

[Rory]

No, nothing was worse because Amara was earlier than the due date by almost a week, so I hadn't put the.

[Damaris]

At all.

[Rory]

Yeah, the thing together. I did that in the front of the hospital in, like, 10 degree weather. That was the worst experience ever. Trying to put together a car seat.

[Julian]

When your fingers are freezing and having the nerve.

[Rory]

She's gonna be down here in, like, 10 minutes. What if I don't strap this in?

[Mal]

Yeah. What if I this up?

[Rory]

Yeah. I still still have flashbacks of that paranoia.

[Damaris]

Yo, I love on, like, women drivers that are great drivers.

[Julian]

Don't drive with me.

[Damaris]

Get in the car with me. I had. I had a female Uber driver. Well, I always have one. Right. I had a female Uber driver one day, and I. If you know me, I just. It annoys me when I.

[Rory]

You hate women.

[Damaris]

No, I love women. I just feel like I don't want to be in a. I don't want to be chauffeured by a woman. I don't want a woman driving me around. I just.

[Julian]

You don't think women can drive? It's fine.

[Damaris]

No, no, no. That women could drive, but I just don't. When I'm in an Uber. It just feels weird having a woman driving me around. That's just.

[Rory]

That's a very dame perspective. That's like, we don't let women drive us in Harlem. That's not Harlem.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, you don't. That's just like, let me.

[Rory]

A woman can't be my boss or.

[Damaris]

Let me sit in the front with you. Like, if I'm. I'm not gonna be. But being in the back and having a woman driving is crazy.

[Mal]

The only time I don't like having a woman driver is when we're going to the airport and she wants to do the luggage thing. I'm like, I'll take. Let me. Yeah, do the bag thing.

[Damaris]

Never. You never. Like.

[Mal]

But then they feel offended. They're like, why don't you let me. I'm like, but come on.

[Damaris]

Like, I actually let. One time, I was on my way to the airport, I actually let her try to lift up my luggage because I was like, yo, it's heavy. She was like, I got it. I was like, it's heavy. So I was like, all right, go ahead.

[Mal]

And I won Toomey bags.

[Damaris]

She went to try to pick that shit up. She said to me. She's like, yeah, no, I can't do it. I'll say exactly like, but, you know, I got it. It's okay. Now drive fast because I'm late. But I love.

[Rory]

You're never late for flights, though.

[Damaris]

Flight. Well, I know. I don't. I don't miss. No, but I. I don't.

[Rory]

You're late to us.

[Damaris]

I don't miss flights.

[Rory]

You respect Delta way more than you respect us.

[Damaris]

No, no, I don't miss flights, but I have. I have been late to the airport, though.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Like, you know, when you rushing, like, damn. Like, I got to get to the airport. Like, I haven't missed it, but it's been times where I cut it close. Getting to the airport for sure.

[Rory]

This is a very me thing. I've never come close to missing a flight. Getting to the airport. I've almost missed my flight. Sitting at the gate. Yep. How that's a me thing. I don't. I just get in my own world, and then it's like, last call, boarding.

[Damaris]

See everybody else getting up, getting on the.

[Rory]

I sometimes just get in my head, especially at airports, because I just, like, block out everybody.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because if you're.

[Damaris]

Flight sitting at the gate, you got to go get checked.

[Rory]

I've never done it, but I've come very close multiple times.

[Julian]

Yeah. I've fallen asleep at, like, I'm sitting up there, like, and they're, like, boarding, and the gate came and the lady came and Tapped me was like, is this your flight? Like, we're about to close.

[Damaris]

Oh, yeah. No, if they see you sleep, they'll do that.

[Mal]

That's nice of them.

[Julian]

But also the b. I'm. I will be on time to the airport because I have to get a glass of champagne at the airport. Every single time I go. It's just like, you just want to.

[Mal]

Over champagne.

[Rory]

You just want to get there, buy a $8.

[Mal]

You want those bubble guts at 30,000.

[Julian]

It's just kind of become like, I just become my thing. Like, I have to eat and have a glass of champagne at the airport. I do it every flight. So what I'll do is I'll be sitting up there, like, just chilling, and I'll miss my flight that way.

[Damaris]

Like, you got to drink. You got to, like. You want champagne to fly to, like, champagne or Prosecco. Detroit.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Matter of fact, only Detroit is where I would do that.

[Mal]

Well, when we flew back from London, Rory and I got. We drank a lot of wine, but.

[Rory]

It wasn't our fault. They had an actual bar on the plane.

[Mal]

The first class had a full bar. So we just. Once they were cruising, we just got up and sat. There were seats at the bars. We were just at a bar, and it was just the two of us. We went through. It was like, us and a flight attendant who just became our bartender. We just went through, like, four or five bottles of wine.

[Damaris]

It was at Virgin Atlantic, right?

[Rory]

Yeah. I would have bought a fucking economy middle seat because we snuck Julian up there. No problem.

[Mal]

Yeah. I was right beyond the curtain. I just got up and walked in. And then right when they were like, take your seats. We're about to land. The one flight attendant came up to me. He's like, were you up there in the. You know, you can't do that. And I'm drunk as at this point. I'm like, what? Too late. We're about to land over.

[Damaris]

Landing in jfk, sir. Yeah. Get out of my way.

[Rory]

Find me.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you going to do.

[Rory]

Right now. Speaking of Dame. And before we. Before we get. Well, I was saying, it sounded like a very much Dame Harlem mentality that you're saying you don't. You don't want women Uber drivers. That's not Harlem. Y'all don't do that.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

A woman could never be your boss. What?

[Damaris]

See, you gonna try to put that out there on me. All right, go ahead.

[Rory]

Dame responded to Fat Joe. I keep up with all Dame interviews. I love Dame interviews. I am fine with him always talking about hov I know that's now starting to become a thing.

[Damaris]

No, no, no, no. He doesn't always talk about hov ask him. And he responds, that's a narrative that people paint about Dame that. Well, I get it. I understand it. But it's like if people asking him and he's responding to it.

[Rory]

If anyone understands narratives and about talking about other people, it's you and I. So I fully understand that Dame is just asked questions and he answered them. But also, Dame is fully aware that when he does interviews, it's going to be no.

[Damaris]

But he always says. He always says, why y'all don't ask them when y'all sit down with them?

[Rory]

Because they don't sit down with those platforms.

[Damaris]

Now, some have, some have, some have. I've. I think with some people, he's like, yo, y'all just had him on here. Why y'all didn't ask them that?

[Rory]

Give Breakfast Club some credit. I think they asked Jay the one time he went on Breakfast Club about day.

[Julian]

That's why he never went back. Yeah, sorry.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's why he only Texas Ebro now. But Fat Joe on his platform discussed Dame and, you know, the. The interviews that he does and said that delusion is a real thing. And if you want to just go, if you made hove, go make another hove. We all know the line from Lost Ones. And Dame, rightfully so, replied back, and I thought it was fucking hilarious.

[Damaris]

Dame again. Dame gets a lot of flack for how he says things. He erupts people the wrong way. But when you listen to the things he says and the points that he makes, he's always on the right side of just doing things the right way, treating people fairly, artists being treated fairly. If you're somebody that owns a product, you should be able to know and control everything that goes on around your business. He's always preaching that, know your business. Every single part of your business, know it. Because if not, somebody is going to come in and take advantage of your business, or you're going to have to pay somebody to do something that you can do yourself. So Dame always preaches, you know, just being a CEO, being a leader, being a boss, like. And there's nothing wrong with that message, and I think it's great. Sometimes it just gets, you know, the message is delivered a little differently than people sometime, like, which is, you know, that's up to you. But the message to me that Dame always preaches is very important. And this was him responding to something that Fat Joe said. And when I saw Fat Joe speak on that? I knew Dame would respond only because, you know, Fat Joe, guys like Dame, they're from a certain era, certain place, certain time where you don't speak on certain things that you have nothing to do with.

[Rory]

Well, they also had, like, a real beef for a long time and. Oh, and Jay was the only one that squashed it. I don't think Dame and Fat Joe ever had a combo.

[Damaris]

No, but it was still.

[Rory]

I mean, Game has a scar on the top of his head because of Terror Squad.

[Damaris]

No, no, no, no, no. That was someone else that came from. That was in London. Yeah, okay, they got Never mind a thing in London, but wrong Combat Jack podcast.

[Rory]

I was.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, they got into. They got something that happened in London. But Dame to me is somebody that is, you know, if you listen to his interviews and, you know, you pay attention to, you know, his words and things like that, you can always find something to take from it and just to add to whatever it is that you're doing, especially if you're in a space of creating or, you know, you know, doing any type of business. Like, he's definitely a person that has done it at a very high level, has had a lot of success. So he has a lot of jewels and a lot of ideas and a lot of, you know, things to share. But I knew he would respond to that. And I thought the way he responded was very. Thought it was very gentleman like of him.

[Rory]

I found out that Fat Joe promotes hair products. I had no idea.

[Damaris]

I didn't know that either.

[Rory]

Do we have.

[Damaris]

But if, you know, Dame, you know, like how we said earlier with Most Def with the Drake shit. Like, this was Dame's dig and slight at, you know, that's not my business model. I would never dye my beard to look younger.

[Rory]

Can we. Can we play this, Julian?

[Mal]

Yep.

[Damaris]

As to other businesses now, I see him doing other businesses like beer dye, Fat Joe, DJ Khaled, Tank, Tyson Beckford, the Wonder Boy, Travis Kelsey. Right. For the holidays. Get that glow. You see how that thing going? Rewind it ten, baby. Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? And promoting putting dye on your face to make yourself look younger. I go in the bathroom, I rinse it off with water. Simple as that.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

North to south, I got that glow. That's not my business model. I've heard that's Dane in a nutshell. Like, he's going like, that's what you do. Cool. I never spoke on that because that's not my business.

[Rory]

Yeah. And if you telling me to make money off it. No, I mean, more power to you.

[Damaris]

Cool. They might have gave you a bag for it.

[Julian]

Cool.

[Damaris]

He's just saying that's not something that I would attach myself and my brand to. That's not my business model. So I thought Dame did a. He responded in a very professional, very respectful, very, you know, I didn't like that. So I'm going to throw a shot at you, but in a very Dame respectful, boss type of way. And, you know, I understand why he did it. And you know, also, if, you know, Dame, you knew that he was going to respond to that at some point.

[Rory]

Do you think Dame comes off bitter sometimes?

[Damaris]

Bitter, sure. But why not?

[Rory]

I mean, that was going to be my answer.

[Damaris]

I think that it could be bitter.

[Rory]

It's okay to feel bitter sometimes.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But I think that when you're, you know, when you created the business, businesses and, you know, molded the artists that he has and the success that these artists have had and people in business have had with him, and then, you know, for something to happen to where now the relationships are not there with these people, and people kind of turn their backs on you, for whatever reason, whatever it may be, I think there's room for it to be a little bitter.

[Rory]

I think if you come across bitter and have every right to feel that way, it's fine.

[Damaris]

It's totally fine.

[Rory]

I mean, of course you need to heal for your own personal peace. But what's wrong with explaining a situation the way you felt it happened? And it can come across emotional and pissed off. Cause it was fucked up.

[Damaris]

The one thing that Dame always says is that when you tell the truth, you gotta be ready to be the sacrificial lamb. And I think that that's something that resonates with anybody that is on that side. Like, when you're standing on the truth and you speak the truth and things like that, you gotta always be prepared for certain doors to close on you, for certain people to turn their backs on you, for certain people to never speak to you again. Like, it's just certain things that come with that. But if that's who you are at the core and that's who you decided that you're gonna be and you're not, you're not budging off of that, then you welcome that with open arms too, because, you know, that's just part of the game.

[Rory]

Lost one speaks to the genius of hov. And I know this kind of became a HOV podcast out of nowhere, but close cast I, after hearing all sides, multiple times. And being someone that has admittedly been obsessed with that era, I tend to lean on Dame's side of the story. And what happened with the breakup. The way Jay flipped that on Lost Ones, I just think speaks to his absolute genius. That verse is flawless. And Dame is probably right in his storytelling. The way Jay, if you made hov, go make another hov. Like, he smoked Dame. Well, I think Dame was probably right. I just. That's, to me, the genius of Jay Z. Like, the whole. He was probably. Jay was probably wrong. And of course, there's always three sides every story, and it's. It's very complicated. And honestly, who cares, because we weren't really there and we don't really know the story and never will. It's wild how he flipped that entire thing.

[Damaris]

I mean, I, you know, the whole genius. The whole make hov or you made hov. And, you know, I just don't like when people say shit like that because, you know, I don't like. It's not making somebody. Did you. Did you help some mold somebody and help guide them and help, you know, bring things to them and work on a goal and work on a dream together? Absolutely. But to say anybody made anybody is just like, bro, you didn't make this person. Like, you know what I'm saying Now, did you assist in helping and yeah, maybe, sure. But, you know, we both benefited from that. But I just don't like when people start saying, oh, this person made this person or that person made that. Nah, bro, I can't. I don't subscribe to that.

[Rory]

And, like, two things can be true as well. Dame obviously had a crazy hand in jay Z's success, 100%. But Jay Z's also one of a kind, and that pairing was one of the kind. Dame could be the biggest genius on earth. Doesn't mean he's. There's also going to be another Jay Z. And also maybe you put Jay Z with someone else and it doesn't work out the same way. I think it was two geniuses in their own right, and what they were doing at that time coming together is, like, the rarest thing ever.

[Damaris]

It gave us an era of legendary.

[Rory]

Shit, and you got to drive a. A Maybach like it was crazy.

[Damaris]

Bentley.

[Rory]

Bentley. Sorry.

[Damaris]

Watch him out.

[Rory]

Before we get to voicemails, I just want to ask you one quick question. It doesn't have to be a topic or we can discuss it on Patreon later. How would you feel if you found out your girl participated in 20 women versus one rapper on YouTube.

[Damaris]

My girl.

[Rory]

For those that don't know, there's a platform that's actually pretty hilarious. Shout out to them. They built a great platform. It's 20 women versus one rapper versus one uncle, verse, one actor. They had little Meech on there. One cup, 20, two girls.

[Mal]

20 girls.

[Rory]

One cup, two girls, 20 cups coming.

[Mal]

Out of COVID Hot.

[Rory]

Essentially, it's really just 20 women go and shoot their shot with somebody that's famous, and it's some of the most basic entertaining content of all time.

[Damaris]

And I just want to ask. And it's some of the most cringe to watch, too.

[Rory]

I want to ask you later on on Patreon, just one quick question. What if you found out, like, five months into the relationship that she was one of 20 to shoot her shot at Charleston White?

[Damaris]

You want me to answer that now on a Patreon?

[Rory]

We can talk about on Patreon?

[Mal]

All right, That's Austin White.

[Damaris]

Come on, fam, they'll shoot you.

[Rory]

Relax. Do we have voicemails?

[Mal]

We do.

[Rory]

Damaris, would you do 20 women versus one rapper? If you like the rapper.

[Damaris]

Do you know the marriage was lined up for Stove? Don't do that for Jovito.

[Julian]

I didn't violate you all episode. I tried mad.

[Damaris]

Nah, you did, you did. You said some slick early.

[Julian]

When I say what I say.

[Damaris]

You said some slick. I don't remember what you said exactly.

[Mal]

Gaslighting.

[Julian]

Exactly. No, I didn't gaslight.

[Damaris]

You got a light on me right now.

[Rory]

You talk about I have the gas and the lighter.

[Damaris]

You told I smoke.

[Mal]

That's like when Rory said definitively that dolphins derived from birds and then double down on it. We're like, no, they didn't.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought we found out they did.

[Julian]

No, no, no, no.

[Damaris]

See?

[Rory]

See?

[Julian]

And that's gaslighting right there.

[Rory]

Back to the missing a flight, sitting at your own gate. If that really does happen to me, I'm gonna lie to you guys and say that the flight was canceled. I was just telling you guys. I'm telling you guys that now. I'm. I would be so embarrassed that I would tell you guys.

[Damaris]

I would never tell you. I would never tell you I missed a flight and I was sitting at the gate. Y'all would never hear about. About that.

[Mal]

No, that's crazy.

[Damaris]

Never.

[Rory]

The flight was canceled.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't care if you can go back that it landed in the city. We were going to. I am going to lie to y'all faces.

[Julian]

Julian and Bitter were also on the same flight.

[Rory]

And they didn't wake me up.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

They were at the gate. Yo, it's time to pour.

[Damaris]

You've got mail.

[Mal]

At the end of last week's Thursday episode, I asked you guys if you wanted a happy one or a sad one. Yeah. And we. We went out on a high note, so I figured we'd play the. The other option that I had lined up. So get ready.

[Damaris]

How y'all doing? Roy Maul, Julian Demaris, Young Bobby out here in North Carolina. Mine is mostly like, childhood trauma. Like, my dad died when I was five years old, so, like, certain things I wasn't able, like, certain conversations or certain, you know, just as man. Things I had to learn on my own growing up. And I feel like that kind of affected me as a father. I have a son who's 11, and I still have a hard time having certain conversations about, you know, women, even though he's. He's 11. But now, you know, they're starting to ask questions now about girls, school, and, you know, about, you know, those type of conversations, like how to address those type of conversations with your child, even. Sometimes my mom was like, you know, you don't tell. You don't tell. You know, your son, you love him enough. I'm like. I mean, I tell him I love him, but he should not. I shouldn't have to tell him, you know, all the time. Like, he. You know, he should know. But I feel like some of that came from probably some. Something I'm missing in my child. No. What do y'all think about that? Could childhood trauma affect the way you raise your child?

[Rory]

Well, I mean, appreciate it. Short answer was that crying at the end of that.

[Julian]

Probably could be.

[Mal]

I was a vulnerable moment.

[Rory]

You're such an insensitive sometimes.

[Julian]

Like, what?

[Rory]

This is why people don't come to you when they have, like, real emotional issues.

[Damaris]

Yo, Bobby, don't leave no voicemail crying, all right?

[Mal]

Oh, come on.

[Damaris]

What you want to hear, grown man?

[Mal]

He's literally trying to work on being a better father.

[Damaris]

Are you crying?

[Mal]

Like the guy's being vulnerable?

[Rory]

This is a very important.

[Damaris]

Well, that's. That's my trauma. See, I'm pushing my trauma.

[Mal]

Damn. I didn't.

[Rory]

That's true.

[Damaris]

My mother said, you crying. Get your ass.

[Mal]

Damn.

[Julian]

Your mother did not say that.

[Damaris]

Mom never said.

[Mal]

Never said that. She sweetest lady.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she never said that to me.

[Rory]

Damaris and I had a conversation at. At a hookah spot yesterday, sort of similar to this in some degree. It was me, Damaris and Low, right?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

And you know, eventually I want to have another child. And I'll be honest. It'd be nice to have a son. I wanted a daughter first and was happy that I got a daughter, but eventually, you know, got to carry on the name and all that. I'm only child. I do fear how I will treat a future son to the way I treat Amara. I'm. I'm maybe call it toxic masculinity. I don't know if I'm going to be as affectionate and loving to a son. Like, it. It bothers me in my head a little bit just thinking about it of how I already treat Amara and will continue to treat Amara in such a sensitive and caring way. I don't know if I'm gonna have that same process with a son, which is up because we're just talking about the little king thing where, you know, we typically don't care about boys. Like, it's like, go figure it out. Like, we're. We're a second thought when it comes to the emotional side of everything. And that may come from childhood trauma as well, but we have that, like, yo, you got to raise a man.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

So I. I feel him. It's. It little different conversation, but it is tied into, I think, what he's saying. We weren't raised affectionately from the men in our family. We're not going to do it once we have a son either.

[Mal]

Well, he lost his father at 5, so he's saying I literally didn't have a dad.

[Rory]

No, no. I'm saying it's. It's tied into to kind of what his conversation was. If that's completely absent, then you really have no reference, and you're just going to probably go with the toxic male situation. But it is something you have to get over and understand that your sons need the same type of love and affection that your daughters require. Yeah. And that you want to give to them.

[Damaris]

I think that.

[Rory]

Listen, man, your sons need a hug too.

[Damaris]

No. 100%. I think that, you know, why you say you don't know if you'll be as affectionate? I think it's the opposite. I think you'll be very affectionate with your son only because maybe you weren't. Didn't have an affectionate relationship with your dad. I always feel like it's gonna be. It's very rare that. Cause I feel like the way I was raised and I don't know the way some of my brothers and sisters were raised, like, they don't. We don't treat our nieces and nephews, the same way we were treated growing up. It's like, yo, I would never. Like how you said, like, even, you know, yelling or spanking your. You could never see yourself doing that to your daughter. No, like, I don't think my sister has ever, like, spanked my nephew. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just certain things that. I think once you went through it and you remember the feeling that you had and like, yo, like, mom, you didn't even have to hit me there. Like, you could have just told me to clean up my room and it would have been done. Like, I would have did it. Like, we just are at a different, I think, generation, a different era now where we just realized the way that we were raised. Certain things were like, okay, I understand why our parents were, you know, just trying to figure things out too. They didn't. You know, you don't have a manual on how to be a parent. But it's like, once you become an adult, you just remember certain ways that you felt as a kid in certain situations where I think that you are gonna do the exact opposite. Like, okay, I'm not gonna yell at my daughter or my son because I know how I felt when my parents yelled at me or I know what that did to me. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's just certain things. I think that you just adjust and find different ways to parent now that you're an adult and you have your own kids.

[Rory]

But it's a little conflicting because I'm very progressive. I feel like despite the jokes we make on this podcast, I also have a side of me that believes in masculinity and raising a man. And sometimes that's not the same way as raising a daughter. Men and women are equal, but we are different. So, yes, I fully believe that our sons need affection, love, understanding. They need to be coddled. Like, a lot of us are a little fucked up now because we were never coddled, but there is value in where we ended up because there was some neglect and like, yo, go figure it the out for yourself. You're a man.

[Julian]

But that's not.

[Mal]

That's not neglect, and that's also. That's not. Yeah, it's not an all or nothing system. You can be supportive and not leave your kid to fend for themselves. That makes sense.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

It's not like you fucked up. Figure it out. As a parent, you should not solve the problem immediately and be like, let's pretend this never happened. But every. Like, when I. When You. When I taught, every moment with a student is a learning, a teaching moment. So if they make the mistake, you identify the mistake and help them see it and then come to the conclusion together. So the next time when you're not there, they can solve it on their own.

[Damaris]

I just think that it. You. I think if you're a mentally, A healthy, mental, Mentally healthy person.

[Rory]

Oh, well, take me out of this.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, you're mentally healthy. I think that. I just think that you. I just think that you just know for the most part as adults, you know right from wrong. If you're a mentally healthy, functioning adult, you just know right from wrong.

[Mal]

You just mean, like, no matter what.

[Damaris]

It is across anything, you just know when something is right and something is wrong. You know when you're doing something right. You know when you're doing something wrong. Okay, I just think you just have that ability as humans, as a healthy, functioning human, you have that ability. Now in raising kids, I think sometimes people chastise and raise their kids differently. They set certain boundaries for their kids that other parents don't set for their kids and things like that, and they reprimand some their kids differently. But I think in raising kids, I think that you just know, like, okay, I gave my kid these skills and they know how to do this. Now, your kids get to a point sometimes they get lazy. They don't want to do certain things. Dad. And that's when you throwing up. Figure it out, because I know that you're equipped to do what I'm asking you or telling you to do. You're just being a brat or a kid right now. You know, you're acting like a baby and you don't want to do this. You're throwing a fit. Cool. This is a learning. We can use this as a learning experience. Now, this is what happens when you don't use the skill sets that you have and you want to just act like, oh, I don't want to do this, and you throw a fit, you're not going to get what you want. Some parents, they'll just do it for their kid or whatever they ask them to do. They'll just do it themselves. Some. It's going to stay there until you fix it, until you do it. Like, clean your room. You don't want to clean your room. Okay, cool. Well, you don't get to play PlayStation or you don't get to use your VR headset and things like that. Like, you just raise your kids differently, but you don't just, you know, beat your Kids or put your hands or yellow curse at your kids. Like, to me, that's just a little like, all right, that's a little too. Now, I'm not here to tell anybody how to parent and raise their children. That's not what I'm trying to do. But I just think that, you know, when, yo, that was right, or, damn, that was wrong, I shouldn't have yelled.

[Mal]

But all, yeah, like, the thing with cursing at kids and beating them, it's all it does is remind the kids that what they did is wrong, but it doesn't identify with why they did. You're not explaining them or giving them a concrete reason for why they shouldn't do that behavior. You're just telling them, oh, you did it. Here's a reaction for doing that, right? Talk to your kid. Like, look, I get it. Some families, you hit your kid. If you're going to hit them, because I know it still happens, at least have that conversation either before or after and explain why this consequence is happening. Don't just beat them up and be like, well, I feel better as a parent. I hit my kid. I'm going to go about my day now.

[Rory]

Let's.

[Mal]

They know what they did is bad.

[Rory]

It's boy, girl. They would. I would never hit my kid. I don't believe in that. I think it's fucking insane, looking back.

[Mal]

I got hit with a belt.

[Damaris]

A belt. That's it.

[Mal]

I mean, well, there's other shit.

[Damaris]

I got hit with anything that was in arm's reach. That's where I come from. Yeah, that was right here.

[Mal]

But it was weird because my dad came from that school of thought. Whereas my mom, her family was very, like, well educated and articulate. So my mom would be the one that would always talk and communicate the things. And she didn't agree with my dad, but she understood what my dad's side came from.

[Damaris]

I understood why I got hit, like, as a man now, looking back, I understood why my mom hit me in certain circumstances. Cause I was at that age where I was testing my mother. I was testing her authority. I was testing that boundary. And she had to show that, listen, I'm still big dog. Yeah. This is still my house. You're still under my rules. And, you know, when you get to that age, 13, 14, you start, you know, feeling yourself a little bit like. And yeah, my mom's had to tag me a few times, like, 100%. And I remember that. But, you know, then I didn't. I'm like, why is my mom hitting me? And now, looking back, I 100% understand why she did that.

[Julian]

Yeah, I understand more popping toddlers than.

[Damaris]

No way.

[Julian]

No, listen to what I'm saying. I'm not talking about whooping. I'm not talking about whooping.

[Damaris]

Popping the toddlers, crazy.

[Julian]

Listen to what I'm saying so I can clarify that because I don't want that just being hung on my jacket. When I say pop, I don't mean hit, I don't mean spank. I mean stop going to touch the stove. Oh, yeah, that's what I'm talking. I'm not talking about spanking your child, your toddler, because they did something wrong. Yeah, because they don't. Again, you can't explain to a, To.

[Rory]

A toddler getting mad at a baby.

[Damaris]

For shitting you took another. I just changed your diaper.

[Rory]

I've thought that in my head. Don't get me wrong. Like, you're shitting again. What the.

[Julian]

But you can't. To a 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 year old, you can't really explain certain, like, concepts. There are certain things you have to learn. Like, for example, my parents used to tell me, don't run around this coffee table. Don't run around this coffee table. It's sharp. Stop, stop, stop. And it took for me to run into it and hurt myself. And then it's like, well, here, like, see, now you learn not to do that anymore. They learn more from. They have to. You can't talk to them. You can't talk to a three, four year old and really get them to understand why something they're doing is dangerous for them. They don't understand the concept of danger until danger is introduced to them. So that's why I said when it comes to like, popping, that makes sense for younger kids. But once a kid is old enough to like, understand a conversation, beating them is not doing anything.

[Rory]

I don't think. Well, some of y'all physically hitting kids.

[Damaris]

What's kids? What's the age to cut off a kid, period?

[Mal]

It just doesn't.

[Rory]

It happens. I just, I don't think some of.

[Damaris]

Y'All out here raising future serial killers, they need to get their ass banked.

[Mal]

How is that gonna help?

[Rory]

It's. Yeah, I guarantee you.

[Damaris]

I mean, what's the fix?

[Mal]

You think, you think the kid that gets beat is gonna be like, you know what? I shouldn't shoot this school.

[Damaris]

I think it helps. I think. I think there's a study we can conduct where every school shooter never got spankings growing up.

[Mal]

Well, to white people Shout out to.

[Rory]

Alex Jones and see if you can get that one done.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think. I think we need to do a survey out of old school shooters. How many of y'all was raised a certain way?

[Rory]

I think there's just way more variables.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I'm trying to, like, real mental issues that don't derive from. Oh, no, it's not being.

[Damaris]

No, it's definitely mental issues.

[Julian]

I'm sure there were some. I feel like two were actually be a little bit too hard in that. Oh, that came up for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But I think there's also a. I think there's a. I'm not pro spanking, but I understand how there is a medium between a spanking and getting beat.

[Rory]

Some people always.

[Julian]

There's abuse and then there's a sp. Like, you got a spanking. There's a difference.

[Damaris]

When your mom take a time out to catch her breath and then proceed. That's. I've never been beat before.

[Rory]

I said this on this podcast when I used to think that I was being beat. I talked to my West Indian friends to, like, exchange eating stories, and I was like, oh, I was. No, y'all. Y'all were abused.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, I thought I had it bad. I did not have it bad. It was fucking fine compared to what y'all went through.

[Damaris]

I keep telling you. My mom hit me with a tennis racket one day. I didn't even know she played tennis backhand. Where'd you get that from? She came out her bedroom with a tennis racket. I was like. I was like, where did you get that? Like, he started hitting me with a tennis racket. But I understand, though, like, looking back, I know 100. Because the. The hand wasn't hurting me no more. The belt wasn't hurting me. Like, the tennis racket, though. Yeah. I think I. I ain't up the whole school year after that. I was. I was chilled the whole rest of that school year.

[Rory]

I. I guess I still have the same fear, though, the way I'm talking about a hypothetical son and how I would probably be a little less affectionate, lenient, and amazing the way I would with Amara. I have that fear with Amara of, like, I still need to raise this girl to go out into the world. Like, there needs to be some pullback on coddling because the world is not gonna cuddle Amara when it's time to go out and be an adult. Like, that's what scares me, too. Like, I don't. I'm swear I'm just going to always be whatever the she wants. Like, that's what.

[Damaris]

Oh, no.

[Rory]

Scares me.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Because I just look at her, I'm like, how could I ever say no to this human being? Yeah, but is that going to do her any good?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And, and, but. And this is where it's up. Because I know everyone on the Internet is. Is amazing and progressive and raised really good. I can admit that I was probably raised in a pretty misogynistic way that even at 33, I'm still thinking that I would tell my son, like, go figure it out while I'm coddling Amara.

[Damaris]

No, you would not.

[Julian]

You're not gonna do that to you.

[Mal]

You're not gonna do that.

[Julian]

I know you're not. You're not gonna do that to you.

[Mal]

As soon as you see that kid, that'll change everything.

[Damaris]

You're gonna cry.

[Julian]

I think your son is gonna soften you more than Amara is.

[Rory]

I mean, I guess, yeah, probably. But I still have the back of my mind raising kids. And I don't know because it's only been a year, so I don't have the answers here or try to, but outside of not having a traumatic childhood for your kid, you also have to raise them to be a adult. And I'm gonna sound very much Fox Newsy here, but it's the parents responsibility to raise a child that is going to contribute to society as well. You need to go be a adult. I can't coddle you all the time, even though I want to. Children deserve nothing but love in a healthy environment. But what, like, where do you draw the line on certain things? Because when am I doing you a disservice?

[Damaris]

This is how you raise.

[Rory]

When? When am I really just making you so soft that when the real world hits you that first week, you'll be like, too hard. I'll run back home. That's not creating a person that is going to contribute to not only themselves, but to the world we live in.

[Damaris]

That goes back to the school shooter theory. See, all these kids that shoot up schools is the ones that was coddled. And as soon as they. The first time they were told no, didn't make a school team, got cut, all this type of shit.

[Rory]

Probably mentally ill as well then.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, probably that too. Then they rebel. The world is against them. And also undiagnosed. You just got cut from the team. Like, you didn't make the team. It's okay. That's your first sign of not being accepted. Like, it's okay. You can just try again next year. But I would say you raise your daughter to tell her that all boys have AIDS and teach her how to change a car tire.

[Mal]

That's a fact. Yeah.

[Rory]

I think those are, like, one and two. One, A, one, B.

[Damaris]

There you go.

[Julian]

As a daughter, don't worry so much about teaching her how to, like, prepare for, like, the real world, because the real world is gonna come regardless. The real world does not start once she leaves your house.

[Damaris]

And what world? And what world? Cause the world that my mom raised me for was different from the world that she grew up in.

[Julian]

Exactly. That's true. That's a really good point, Ma.

[Damaris]

You know what I'm saying? So what world are you preparing your kids for?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You might have a son in a.

[Julian]

Few years, being a woman, or you.

[Damaris]

Might have a kid that Mara might identify as a boy.

[Mal]

That's right. That was what I was saying.

[Damaris]

Yeah. The.

[Julian]

The world.

[Damaris]

That's where we at now.

[Julian]

I know. We're in a. I know. We're like.

[Mal]

Marion.

[Julian]

We make these tough. We make these jokes on the podcast all the time. Life is easy for women and all. You're sick. Life is easy for women and all of these things.

[Rory]

Sorry.

[Julian]

Now finish the joke.

[Rory]

It's just Mario, I'm sorry for interrupting you, but he just called my daughter Omario.

[Mal]

I'm Marion. She keeps the A. Yo.

[Damaris]

You don't know that's the world we in, bro. You don't know that's the world we in. I'm just saying what you. What you left from the hospital with might not be what you walk across that graduation stage. That's all I'm saying.

[Rory]

I'm so happy we have a new HR pod here.

[Damaris]

I'm just trying to.

[Rory]

Fuming. Sitting in a seat right now.

[Damaris]

I'm trying to tell you. I'm just trying to tell you.

[Julian]

Funny as I'm.

[Rory]

It was. Was a one joke. It was great.

[Julian]

That was great. Good job. I didn't hear him.

[Rory]

You know, Key and I had that conversation actually, over the weekend.

[Damaris]

Yeah. In the event you had a lot.

[Julian]

Of deep convos this weekend.

[Rory]

Yeah. Man.

[Damaris]

In the event that Amara wants to be, like, change her sex.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Or her gender.

[Rory]

I mean, we had the. The debate because I think we were watching. We were. HBO has the debates now, like, with the Republican candidates. I don't think they have the Democratic ones, so we missed it when it was live.

[Damaris]

Wait, they don't have a Democratic.

[Rory]

I didn't see it on Max. I could be wrong.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Rory]

But we wanted to watch it. And when it aired, Amara was awake and it was whatever. So we watched it a few days later.

[Damaris]

And of course, watching Bill Maher with your daughter is.

[Rory]

It's not Bill Moore, cnn, which I thought was great that CNN conducted the Republican debate. But we watched it and naturally the transgender conversation, which again, to me is just another distraction. It's the new gay marriage. It's the, like, why can't we really address. It's not. Not real issues. It's just like, who gives a. Like, just let people do whatever the they want. You're doing this to avoid any accountability on the real issues that are affecting every last person in America. But it got Kia and I talking about in the event that Amara felt that way and wanted to get surgery, puberty blockers and everything. And that's kind of where we differed a little bit. If Amara came to me and said, hey, I feel like a boy, I would support and love any last thing that she wanted to do in that regard. I'm not with surgery under 18.

[Julian]

Agree.

[Mal]

My only question be, what age would you take it seriously?

[Rory]

But, I mean, he was making the point that, okay, but that can drive kids into more of depression because they feel like they can't be themselves. And I was like, maybe it's a little optimistic of me, I think, because this would be a healthy environment, that if she came to us and said that we would be very understanding and loving and treat her as such. But you can't get this surgery. I mean, in my opinion, I'd prefer 20s, but like, 18, I guess, is just a better cut off there. If Amara, when she was an adult, wanted to go get surgery to change her sex, I would be at the hospital next to her bed in the recovery room. But I'm not letting a 14 year old get surgery.

[Damaris]

No, I think, like, I'm just. I'm just.

[Rory]

I can't live that way. And I don't know if that's transphobic. I don't know if everyone's gonna kill me because I like to live in the middle. I just, I. I wouldn't let any kid get any type of surgery of altering. That's not a physical altering surgery. That wasn't.

[Damaris]

That's not a decision for a kid to make. No type of surgery.

[Julian]

No type. I don't care to live, you know.

[Damaris]

Like, no, it's not. That's. That's not a decision for a kid to make. And I also supposed to make that decision.

[Rory]

And I understood Kia's point in that regard of how many kids really just drive into depression and possible suicide. If they cannot be who they want to be, especially through puberty. Because we all know our brains are nuts. When you're going through puberty, I just think if you're in a loving environment. I think that happens with kids that feel rejected by their support system. They can't get surgery, and everyone around them feels like, yeah, what's wrong with you? I. I think it would be a loving environment. Like, hey, you're just gonna have to wait to do that. We're here to help you in any other way. But no, I'm not letting a teenager get surgery in that regard. Like, that's. That's crazy.

[Julian]

Agreed.

[Rory]

And I don't really. I'm not going to pretend like I know all the research and puberty blockers and this and that. It's just not something I would run to do. I just think two things can be true, and I can live in the middle and gray area of saying I support how you feel. It's just not happening now. You're a kid, like, you're just not getting surgery.

[Mal]

You toss her fit.

[Rory]

And I found out that was. I'm transphobic.

[Mal]

You toss her fitted and say, wait a few more years.

[Rory]

Yeah, well, no, they don't get. Ones that wear fittest. Don't get.

[Damaris]

Remember tomboys?

[Mal]

Oh, that was an era.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, where's all the tomboys at?

[Rory]

Chicks that were tomboys. Working teenagers are my type now. Yeah. I went from tomboys to, like, more feminine cool. That was my. That's my type.

[Damaris]

Like, I like the tomboys. Like, but they. The tomboys never went, like, full, like, surgery. Like, it's. Oh, that's aggressive.

[Rory]

Different part of that. You can be that community of. Yeah, they just want to look. Like I said, listen to Jadakiss. Wear a fitted and champ a mild.

[Damaris]

What happened to that?

[Julian]

Is he still out there?

[Rory]

Yo, People was killing me. Like, everyone in this room. Are you guys going to tell me you have not met that lesbian that wore a fitted, either a Carhartt or Champion jacket, always had a mild on them, and knew every Jadakiss Freestyle by heart? Yes, Rory, everyone knows that lesbian.

[Damaris]

No, I don't know that lesbian.

[Rory]

Yes, you do.

[Damaris]

Not that. Not that weird. Smokes black.

[Rory]

You. You met. You matched weed with her. 100. You matched with her.

[Julian]

Mom wasn't deep enough in the hood. You gotta go to the hood to.

[Rory]

Find out you might have busted down a bogey.

[Damaris]

I wasn't deep enough.

[Julian]

You said you never.

[Damaris]

You know where I grew up at. You was driving up for him. They'll get more hood than that in the Bronx. You crazy?

[Rory]

It's a very scary area.

[Damaris]

What? No, it just was a different time, I guess.

[Mal]

I don't know. Well, to bring it back really quickly to Bobby, I would encourage. I would encourage him to. Because of the insecurities he has around him not having a father, and they feel like he's currently missing something. I think it's important to. You're in the position to break that cycle, be that person for your son. So eventually, when he is a son and so on and so forth, they are in a better place and healthier and have healthy relationships with the men in their lives, especially their fathers. So you're here for a reason. You're in your son's life. Do yourself a service and be that person that you didn't have.

[Julian]

I go to therapy.

[Rory]

I can empathize to what Demer said. Therapy. And I appreciate that this is a conscious thing in his head already, and I think that's the best step and he's going to be fine. As someone that was raised by a mother that did not have parents deal with this now, I know you had no example, so go talk to someone so you can start forming your own examples. Because neglect is the number one thing that's going to happen when you don't have an example of parents. I was raised by someone that did. Lost both their parents as a teenager and had no reference of what parenting was. She was an amazing mother, but trust me, definitely is part of.

[Julian]

I mean, look at her parenting.

[Rory]

Yeah. Look at how crazy I am.

[Damaris]

I think it's just. I think it's. I think it's very simple.

[Rory]

I'm fucking missing flights when I'm at the gate.

[Damaris]

I think it just comes down to people just always raise your kids with love. It's really. It's really that simple.

[Julian]

You can't.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

That's the one part you can't go wrong on.

[Damaris]

Genuinely always raise your kids with genuine, unconditional love. Like everything else figures it will fall into place and figure itself out. Man. Just love your kids, raise them in love, teach them to love and all that other. You'll figure it out.

[Rory]

And it takes a village. That's something that I came up with that I feel like it takes a village.

[Damaris]

Yeah. You came up with that.

[Rory]

Yeah. Phrase.

[Damaris]

What's up? I appreciate you bringing that to the ecosystem.

[Rory]

I don't think a lot of people. It takes a whole village to. To do so.

[Damaris]

So speaking of D.C. we're in D.C. march 23rd.

[Rory]

Where are we?

[Mal]

Speaking of the club.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

All Star Weekend. That's a wild callback.

[Rory]

Oh, let's.

[Julian]

We gotta redo that club night then.

[Rory]

Should we hit? Should we hit?

[Damaris]

Bar is not there anymore. I can promise you.

[Mal]

It closed in 2010. I looked it up.

[Rory]

We're in a group chat with Shad.

[Mal]

Yeah, you can go to Rose Bar.

[Rory]

Pay for his flight.

[Damaris]

No, but we will be in D.C. march 23 at the Howard Theater. Coming back to the Howard Theaters to. With the beautiful people down in the dmv. Don't hit me. Talking about, yo, y'all coming to Baltimore. It's 35 minutes away. Bring your ass to D.C. for the night.

[Mal]

That's true.

[Damaris]

We're not going to Virginia.

[Julian]

More on purpose.

[Damaris]

Bring your ass to D.C. for the night. Oh, no. We may go to Virginia. Maybe Baltimore is a great crowd, too. Baltimore crowd.

[Rory]

I feel like they can make the trip.

[Damaris]

Make the trip. Come rock with us. Washington, D.C. march 23rd. Howard Theater. Get your tickets now. Tickets available newroarin mall.com and yeah, let's have some fun.

[Rory]

You got him in D.C.

[Damaris]

No, I don't. I used to.

[Julian]

He thought about this.

[Mal]

Come on.

[Damaris]

I don't.

[Mal]

My brother's down. It's his birthday today. Happy birthday, Kendall.

[Rory]

Thanks.

[Damaris]

Today's Kendall's birthday?

[Mal]

Yeah. 33 Larry Bird year.

[Julian]

Nah.

[Damaris]

Happy birthday. I know it's the one that you.

[Rory]

Say happy birthday to Lil King, but not Kendall.

[Damaris]

No, Kendall's the one that came to the D.C. show. Yeah. Yeah, he was cool. I like him.

[Mal]

They'll be. They'll be there when we're back.

[Damaris]

Happy birthday to Kendall.

[Julian]

Man, Kendall's cute.

[Mal]

Yeah, we know. He's engaged.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that don't stop Baby D from wanting to suck that clit.

[Rory]

Hey, yo. What?

[Mal]

Wait.

[Julian]

He's a man. Kindles a man.

[Rory]

See, this is bad parenting right here.

[Mal]

That was awful.

[Rory]

Your mother did not raise you this way.

[Damaris]

Mom. Sorry.

[Mal]

What's going to say? The. The thing is, my mom's gonna be like, oh, that's very nice. They made a shout out. And then you're gonna say that completely undercut the.

[Damaris]

That's my. That's my man right there.

[Rory]

I'm nervous to say. How do I say this? As respectful as possible because I don't want Mall to get mad at me.

[Damaris]

What?

[Rory]

So I'm not really sure how to say it.

[Damaris]

Him.

[Julian]

I'm sorry. My bad.

[Rory]

You guys follow Mall's sister, right?

[Julian]

Oh, that's my homie. That's my sister.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's family.

[Julian]

Yeah, for. For sure.

[Rory]

Yeah, she did post a photo of Mal's mom, like, back in the heyday on her IG story over the weekend.

[Damaris]

Oh, did she?

[Rory]

Yes, I liked it.

[Mal]

You hearted it?

[Rory]

Of course I did.

[Damaris]

Yo, what's up with you, bro?

[Rory]

I. It just was. It was a great. It was just a great photo.

[Damaris]

This is the end of the episode. We could clear all this out and do what we got to do, right?

[Rory]

All this, I mean, this from an extremely respectable place. It just, it was a. It was.

[Damaris]

Always one. It's always in the crowd that got to end up getting. You know what I mean?

[Rory]

Your mom is very beautiful.

[Damaris]

Thank you.

[Rory]

Now and then.

[Damaris]

Thank you. Here come the disrespect. Not just, you know, the disrespect comes right after that.

[Rory]

Just what your sister was alluding to, like, the Clay Sisters in like that era. And I wanted to ask you, like, what, like what that era was, because they look like they had. They had Harlem is all I'm saying. They looked like they had Harlem on lock.

[Damaris]

No, my mom and my aunts were. They were, they were. They were those sisters. Like, if you dated one you like, yo, I got one of the Clay Sisters. Like, they was that growing up.

[Rory]

The way your sister put the caption like, everybody knows about the Clay sisters. Oh, I want to. What are the Clay sisters? Tell me more.

[Damaris]

Because you know, you know how we do in our culture. They were all. My. My mom and my aunts were all light skinned.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Damaris]

You know how that is.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

You know, growing up light skinned and pretty girls and, you know, all the dope boys wanted, you know, to date them. My mom's came from that. I know my mom's was out. She was out in the streets.

[Julian]

I could look at how your mom looked now and tell that she was one of the ones back, yo.

[Damaris]

Wait, what you mean? I'm trying to say my mom's was a hoochie, so.

[Julian]

No, like, when I say one of them ones, I mean like one of them ones that, like, everybody wanted.

[Mal]

You said M's mom would have gone on 20 women, one rapper.

[Damaris]

No, my mom's definitely wouldn't have did that.

[Mal]

Oh, that's what I thought she was saying.

[Damaris]

Huh? Definitely not.

[Rory]

She would have been the 1 rapper.

[Damaris]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 100%.

[Rory]

It's fine.

[Damaris]

I mean, why should we posting like that?

[Rory]

Like, it was a really nice photo.

[Julian]

Free to do that.

[Damaris]

No, she ain't.

[Rory]

Why?

[Julian]

That's her mama too.

[Rory]

And I feel like your sister's isn't her ig Private.

[Julian]

It's mad loki Her. She's mad Loki.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but like, posting old pictures of moms, like, talking about, yo, what she said. She was one of the ones.

[Rory]

What she said, like, something about everyone knew the Clay sisters Facebook or some.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't.

[Rory]

I don't want to misquote your sister because I love her.

[Damaris]

To bring it Facebook to ig.

[Mal]

You don't.

[Damaris]

You don't cross promote. You don't do that. You don't put Facebook business on ig.

[Rory]

There's rules.

[Damaris]

Yeah, there's rules.

[Rory]

There's rules to the shit. It made me an animal.

[Damaris]

Exactly. You don't put. You put Facebook shit on IG Damaris. Nah, exactly. It's called social media etiquette.

[Rory]

My mom could have been a AME model before.

[Damaris]

I'm a 100%.

[Rory]

Yeah, my mom sent me this photo over the weekend. Definitely a little swaggy in that. I can't even lie.

[Damaris]

They look like a good Newport ad. That might.

[Rory]

That might be at. In Van Cortlandt Park.

[Damaris]

Oh, that's.

[Rory]

Or that's at Mount St. Vincent Bronx.

[Damaris]

For real? Yeah.

[Rory]

I was. I was conceived there, so let me rep it.

[Julian]

Ew.

[Damaris]

Do we have any more? But not them voicemails, man. Bobby crying and Bobby, we love you, Bobby. What? I just said, we love Bobby.

[Julian]

Open up your.

[Rory]

Bobby. You're self aware. That's the first. That's the first part.

[Damaris]

Kids in love, man. Everything else will figure itself out. Just raise your kids in love, love your kids, Teach them to love and everything, be everything, work out and accept.

[Julian]

Your kids for who they are. Don't try to make your kids little you. And if they're different from you and you can't understand them, like, just love them anyway. Don't, like, there's nothing wrong with them because they aren't you.

[Damaris]

If you can't understand. And let them hang out with your cousins that live in the projects for a few weeks. That's how. That's how you always get them.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Back on track.

[Rory]

That's the best.

[Damaris]

Y'all want to see poverty? We want to see poverty this weekend.

[Rory]

Show you how good you got it.

[Damaris]

Show you. Yeah.

[Mal]

Show you how my dad used to do that with us.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you got to do that to your kids.

[Julian]

The poor cousins is important.

[Damaris]

Take it to the poor cousins house. Let them run around all night. Let them try to find a space in the crib to lay down and sleep. Ain't no beds. Get your jacket, ball it up. You know what I'm saying? That's your pillow. You know What? I mean, take that little sofa. That, that, that piece of the couch, put it on top of you.

[Julian]

Oh, the. Oh, the couch.

[Rory]

That was always my mom's side.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's how you gotta get my dad's side. Did I. My mom's side. I was like, these people are crazy.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So good.

[Rory]

These people are poor. As. I don't like it over here.

[Damaris]

That's real. You got to go to your pork. Your poor cousin's house, man. Character.

[Rory]

We'll close right now, but I do want to give a huge congrats to Lil Nas X. He's on pace to be number 80 on Billboard. Congrats. Your. Your rollout did great, bro. That spectacle you made did so well.

[Mal]

I mean, is this the fall of Christianity?

[Rory]

It's the fall of Lil Nas X.

[Mal]

People don't like God anymore.

[Rory]

He's on pace to be number 80.

[Julian]

I mean, that's not bad though.

[Rory]

It's not bad for any other artist besides Lil Nas X.

[Mal]

What would be acceptable?

[Rory]

Because everything he does is a spectacle.

[Mal]

Number one at one or one or bus number one.

[Julian]

Everybody knew.

[Rory]

What did the Jack Harlow record do? The last one, Loving on Me.

[Damaris]

One.

[Rory]

One.

[Mal]

Yeah. What does that do?

[Julian]

Oh, you're talking about the industry. Maybe that one.

[Rory]

Every time he's put out a single and made a spectacle and done a rollout, he's. If not been number one, close. He's number 80. It didn't work.

[Julian]

It's a slow build. It's a slow. A grower, not a shower.

[Rory]

Saying a little Nas X record is a slow build is crazy.

[Damaris]

Especially when you turn.

[Mal]

Watch it, watch it, watch it take. He'll do some.

[Rory]

It's one of those, you know, you got to let it.

[Mal]

Look, bro, not everybody. Jesus was a slow build. Now look.

[Rory]

Not really.

[Damaris]

World domination was a slow build. It's hilarious.

[Mal]

He was.

[Damaris]

Took. Took a while for them to.

[Mal]

Took a while for him to pop. I mean, look at. They hated him in his time.

[Damaris]

That's true.

[Julian]

You learned that from the book of Clearance?

[Mal]

Yeah, for sure. I was one of the two people that saw it.

[Rory]

I as someone that was. My mom was a Sunday school teacher. Ccd that whole. I always asked and never got to answer, like, what Jesus did for like.

[Mal]

20 years mid carpenting.

[Rory]

Like what? Like, what was Jesus like?

[Mal]

There's not one piece of furniture he made.

[Rory]

Yeah. When he was born, you know, trash carpenter. Obviously, it was December 25th.

[Damaris]

Obvious.

[Rory]

Everyone knows that. What happened after the mate? We went from manger to walking on water at 30.

[Mal]

What was he doing what happened?

[Rory]

It's like, what. What was his upbringing?

[Mal]

Hiding down some tunnels?

[Rory]

How was the prophet just chilling for 30 years.

[Damaris]

That's all a private. Got to do is chill. Gotta do nothing else. I'm a prophet.

[Julian]

I know what the gonna happen. You running around stressed.

[Damaris]

You know who my daddy is doing out here?

[Rory]

All I know is if I was 13 and was had the ability to turn water to wine, we wouldn't have gotten a 30.

[Damaris]

No, definitely not.

[Mal]

Yeah, that would have been. That would have been a quick run.

[Rory]

The parties I would have had.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

When I had a fake ID at 14, I was the man. Imagine if I could turn water to wine.

[Damaris]

It's lit.

[Rory]

Yeah. Anyways. Shout out to Jesus.

[Damaris]

Shout out to Jesus. Shout out to James Samuel. Shout out to Booker Clarence. Man, go see the movie. Support black directors. Support black artists. And again, we'll be in D.C. march 23rd at the Howard Theater. Newrorealmall.com now go get your tickets. Subscribe to the Patreon newroariamal.com Subscribe to the YouTube Merch is still available. Some new merch coming soon.

[Rory]

Yeah, Only fans on the way. That's really all we got.

[Damaris]

You got only fans going.

[Rory]

Maybe.

[Damaris]

Okay, that's what's up. Listen, man.

[Rory]

Gotta support.

[Mal]

All right, bye.

[Julian]

Just say fucking bye.

[Rory]

Would y'all subscribe out of curiosity?

[Julian]

So to your only fans? I'm never that curious.

[Rory]

Okay, fair enough.

[Damaris]

Rory, I would never subscribe to your only fans. Was like.

[Rory]

I wouldn't subscribe to y'alls either. Like, I'm not taking. I'm not offended if I started Only fans.

[Julian]

You will subscribe to it to support.

[Mal]

No.

[Damaris]

All right, all right, all right. No, because you answered that too. What are you doing on your own?

[Julian]

Yeah, like, I mean, I'm not sucking.

[Damaris]

You busting it open.

[Rory]

Well, then that's a. That's a shitty Only fans. That would be my first.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but you busting it open like you butt naked.

[Julian]

No.

[Damaris]

Oh, so what you doing?

[Mal]

What are we doing here?

[Julian]

People do other things on Only Fans.

[Damaris]

They in the way. I would just go ahead and say it. In 2020, if you ain't on Only Fans busting it open, you're doing the bare minimum. Yeah, like, get the out the way, man. We trying to see the pink and the brown, man. That's what we trying to see on Only Fans. Ain't nobody coming to see anything else. Don't let them lie to you. We don't want to see them nipples. We don't want them Nipples. We see them nipples at the club. We don't need them nipples. If you ain't busting it open, get off. Only fans, pink and brown.

[Rory]

You're never curious. This is going to sound creepy. We should really end now. You don't sometimes see a girl and just like, wonder what the ratio is?

[Damaris]

Like, no.

[Mal]

On the nips.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Never mind. New rorymall.com the areola.

[Damaris]

Yeah. So good.

[Mal]

You look a big area.

[Rory]

I'm a fan of all shapes and sizes, but I do, I do wonder.

[Mal]

Remember when someone said mall got big areolas?

[Rory]

Well, that was a fact, though.

[Damaris]

That's not a fact.

[Julian]

You saw him.

[Damaris]

That's crazy.

[Rory]

But I just.

[Damaris]

Yo, yo, having big areolas is crazy.

[Julian]

Do be having big.

[Damaris]

What got big areolas. Now we doing this. What got big areolas?

[Rory]

You want to name them?

[Damaris]

Yo, what all what? Dude, you know got big areolas. Chill, man, chill.

[Julian]

Big aolas. They.

[Rory]

I've been. I've been at the public pool. Yeah, there's some.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you talking about, like big guys, like fat guys.

[Julian]

No, you.

[Mal]

More often it's a bigger guy.

[Julian]

More often it is a bigger guy.

[Mal]

You're like the Puffy.

[Damaris]

Ain't no slim, got no big hair. Riolas.

[Rory]

I'm sure it's out there. There.

[Damaris]

That's not out there. He need to be in the zoo. Put that in a petting zoo.

[Rory]

I don't know if this is, like, offensive. Sorry, ma. What if, like, mall's vitilago, like, was only on his area?

[Mal]

You got white nipples.

[Rory]

That would have been the funniest thing on earth.

[Damaris]

If I had white nipples, that'd be fire.

[Julian]

Yeah, One white zebra nipple ass, that'd be fire.

[Mal]

Look like a cat.

[Rory]

If you had vitilago on your nipples, I would ask. Ask you during an episode on camera. It's like, can I see?

[Damaris]

And I would definitely tell you that we no longer work together. Right after that, I'd be like, yo, I don't know what lifestyle you into, homie. It don't a lot. That's not my business model.

[Rory]

I would just.

[Julian]

That's the new. That's not hip hop. That's not my business.

[Damaris]

It's not my business model. You know what I'm saying? Asking to see my nipples. That ain't my business model. That's all I'm saying. We not doing that over here. You know what I'm saying?

[Rory]

If that's your company, that's just. Yo, listen, do what you do.

[Damaris]

We not doing that over here. Yo. We'll talk to y'all later on this week. Have a safe week. Be blessed. Be safe. Happy birthday, Martin Luther King Jr. The dream still lives on. I'm that. He's just ginger. Peace, new warrior mouth.