Episode 236 | How About A Magic Trick?

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL - Episode 236 | How About A Magic Trick?

Podcast Information:

• Title: New Rory & MAL
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
• Description: New stories, new laughs, new random hot takes that no one asked for... New Rory & Mal
• Episode: Episode 236 | How About A Magic Trick?
• Release Date: January 23, 2024

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1. Introduction and Announcements (00:00 - 01:51)

The episode kicks off with Rory announcing their upcoming event in Washington D.C. at the Howard Theater on March 23rd. Mal engages in a playful back-and-forth about the venue, highlighting Rory's enthusiasm for promoting their shows and Patreon page.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (00:00): "Hey, everybody. We will be in Washington D.C. march 23 at the Howard Theater."
• Mal (00:30): "I love when we're ignorant."
• Rory (00:50): "If you want the greatest barbershop political debate you've ever heard. Patreon.com NewRoarianMo New Warrior Now."

2. Exploring the World of Magic and Magicians (01:51 - 16:50)

The conversation shifts to magic, with Rory and Mal reminiscing about famous magicians like David Blaine and Criss Angel. They discuss the evolution of magic from street performances to televised spectacles and introduce a contemporary magician, Kevin Hamden, who is gaining traction on Instagram. The hosts debate the authenticity of magic, distinguishing between performance and genuine mystical abilities.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal (01:09): "Is that the stuff that Michael Jordan had in Space Jam?"
• Rory (04:13): "Other than do much. I did sit on Instagram for a few hours going through this new trendy Magician's IG page. Kevin Hamden."
• Mal (16:11): "He's the greatest point guard of all time."

3. Parenting Advice: Voicemail Segment (64:17 - 75:38)

Damaris introduces a voicemail from a caller named Joshua from North Carolina, who seeks advice on being an empathetic and loving father to his 11-year-old son. The hosts offer heartfelt guidance, emphasizing the importance of affection and trust-building in parenting. They discuss balancing affection with teaching sons to be independent and strong.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal (64:51): "I'm a young father as well. My son's only 2, and there's a lot that I had to learn..."
• Damaris (71:28): "So we all hung out and I hadn't seen her in years..."
• Mal (70:46): "Love your kids, hug your kids, kiss your boy."

4. Super Bowl Predictions and NFL Conspiracy Theories (16:50 - 43:15)

Rory and Mal delve into the NFL Super Bowl predictions, discussing bizarre theories about scripts controlling game outcomes. They analyze the symbolism of team colors in logos and their correlation with past Super Bowl results. The conversation covers prominent teams like the Ravens, Chiefs, Lions, and prominent players such as Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson. The hosts also touch upon the commercialization of sports and the impact of legalized sports betting on game integrity.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (21:22): "You can put it in order or you can just pick one."
• Mal (27:38): "And with sports betting being legal now, I think that everything is on the table now..."
• Rory (32:16): "Why are you trying to bring us look bad that you know."

5. Media Industry Insights: Layoffs and Digital Transformation (43:15 - 56:34)

The discussion transitions to the recent layoffs in prominent media outlets like Sports Illustrated and Pitchfork. The hosts lament the decline of traditional journalism and the rise of digital media, where athletes and artists control their narratives through personal platforms and podcasts. They express nostalgia for the in-depth journalism these platforms once provided and critique the shift towards more superficial content.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (38:10): "I was reading that Universal Music Group, Atlantic, A lot of people allegedly are doing big layoffs this year."
• Mal (39:35): "Athletes now have their own podcasts."
• Damaris (42:38): "They bought out Pitchfork. And while she was bringing them into network and laying off the staff..."

6. Relationship Dynamics: Reconnecting with High School Acquaintances (75:38 - 120:22)

Damaris shares another voicemail from a caller named Damien from Michigan, seeking advice on rekindling a relationship with his high school girlfriend's best friend after 14 years. The hosts offer varied perspectives on navigating such situations, emphasizing the importance of taking it slow and respecting boundaries to avoid awkwardness and complications within their friend group. The conversation also touches upon the challenges of addressing past relationships and the potential for rekindled romances.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian (86:08): "Yo, Damien, listen, man. Go get your best haircut..."
• Mal (95:10): "Raise your kids, love your kids, hug your kids, kiss your boy."
• Damaris (89:24): "Ask if she's single and take it slow."

7. Nostalgia for Animated Movies and Pop Culture (56:34 - 120:22)

In a lighter segment, the hosts reminisce about beloved animated movies from their childhood, such as "The Polar Express," "James and the Giant Peach," and "Up." They discuss the impact of these films on their upbringing and their thoughts on recent Disney adaptations. The conversation also ventures into video games like "Parappa the Rapper" and classic games like "The Goonies" and "Spyro," highlighting their enduring appeal and the nostalgia they evoke.

Notable Quotes:

• Damaris (111:28): "I like animated movies, yeah."
• Rory (106:07): "I love Inside Out."
• Mal (111:45): "The Polar Express. He cried at Polar Express."

8. Addressing Contemporary Issues: Comedy and Cultural Sensitivity (120:22 - End)

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts briefly touch upon controversial topics in comedy, specifically referencing Dave Chappelle and Cat Williams. They caution against overanalyzing comedic content, emphasizing that much of it is intended for entertainment. The conversation underscores the importance of context and the role of personal experiences in shaping comedic narratives.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal (117:53): "Dave Chappelle is a legendary comic."
• Rory (119:58): "It's getting a viral episode..."
• Mal (120:10): "That's why I wanted you to talk about it."

9. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts (120:22 - End)

The episode concludes with the hosts wrapping up their discussions, reiterating the value of love, respect, and integrity in personal relationships and professional endeavors. They express gratitude towards their listeners and encourage continued engagement with their content.

Notable Quotes:

• Mal (120:15): "Be safe. Stay warm. It's cold as in New York City."
• Rory (120:14): "See y'all in a few days. Be safe."

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Conclusion:

Episode 236 of New Rory & MAL offers a blend of humor, insightful discussions, and heartfelt advice. From exploring the art of magic and critiquing the state of modern journalism to navigating complex relationship dynamics and reminiscing about cherished animated films, the hosts provide a multifaceted listening experience. Notable for their candid interactions and engaging dialogues, Rory, Mal, Damaris, and Julian successfully capture the essence of contemporary life, offering both entertainment and valuable perspectives to their audience.

Transcript

[Rory]

Hey, everybody. We will be in Washington D.C. march 23 at the Howard Theater.

[Mal]

At where?

[Rory]

Howard Theater.

[Mal]

At where?

[Rory]

Howard Theater.

[Mal]

There you go.

[Rory]

Zai chapter. I don't know if we could leave that in. Anyways, chapter.

[Mal]

What is that?

[Rory]

Shout out to noobs?

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Anyways, tickets are available [e-mail] Patreon is available as well. Speaking of DC episode we put out yesterday, it's a lot of political things. If you feel like commenting on our ignorance, go to Patreon now.

[Mal]

I love when we're ignorant.

[Rory]

It was off the rails.

[Mal]

Love it.

[Rory]

It was a little embarrassing.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Over an hour of just insane, pure ignorance.

[Rory]

Yeah. If you want the greatest barbershop political debate you've ever heard. Patreon.com NewRoarianMo New Warrior Now.

[Julian]

I put.

[Rory]

A spell on you because you're mine.

[Mal]

Is that the. The stuff that Michael Jordan had in Space Jam?

[Rory]

Yes, this is the special. Special water.

[Mal]

Notice that a good Sancerre Sansaire.

[Rory]

How could you use a Sansaire? I'll tell you that much.

[Julian]

Serbia. Michael's secret stuff.

[Rory]

Sansa, what do you think brought Bill Murray? Who?

[Mal]

Sancerre. Bill Murray definitely looks like he drinks Sancerre before shooting 100 and mixes it with tequila. Yeah, in the.

[Rory]

In the same.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

Anyways, hey, everyone. We're back.

[Mal]

We are back with a new audio journey. Visual expedition is what they call it.

[Rory]

Sure. I don't know who they is, but yeah, the people.

[Mal]

Everybody listening and watching. Got you. We are back. Welcome to another episode of the new Rory Mall podcast. I am Mal.

[Rory]

I'm Rory.

[Mal]

And we are back. Bumped into Rory the other day. It's always funny bumping. Oh, yeah, we're not working.

[Rory]

I totally forgot about literally on the next corner, I saw mall walk. Walking for the first time in life. Yeah, like you're an Uber to each location kind of person. Like, you'll walk where we're going. Like in the studio, you walk. But I've never just, like, seen you on a new walking city street.

[Mal]

Just, you know, I look like I was a herb. Like, I look like I could. Could have ran down on me and punched me in my face.

[Rory]

No, but you were easily spottable.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

I could just tell it was you.

[Damaris]

What was the giveaway?

[Rory]

It looked like someone that doesn't typically just walk around New York City. They're usually in like a.

[Mal]

That's funny because I've done so much walking around New York City. So you say that it's so crazy to. You know how much walking I'VE done in the city.

[Rory]

I was. It was.

[Mal]

I wish we had that. I wish we had, like, a clock of, like, how much we've walked in our cities.

[Rory]

Just get a. It's on your iPhone.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Look at your phone.

[Julian]

No, I mean, I can talk about life.

[Mal]

Not like, I don't want to start tracking my steps every day. I'm talking about in life. Like, how many miles of New York City do you think you've walked in your life?

[Rory]

I wouldn't even know where to guess.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's like, a sick number.

[Damaris]

You know, I thought about the other day. How many times have you been gotten on the same subway car twice or multiple times?

[Rory]

Oh, I'm sure it's a lot higher than we think it is.

[Mal]

Yeah, Well, I. I definitely remember at least three times because this sticker that I remember seeing was like, that, you know, and I. Us, you know, used to ride the same train around the same time. So it's easy to kind of.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Track it that way. Once you have, like, a schedule like that where you know what time the train is coming. You get on the same train pretty much.

[Rory]

But then they started switching it. We're like, the F is now the A. And, like, you're like, this is not a. A train, even though it says A on it. But too local.

[Mal]

Funky. Yeah.

[Rory]

Anyways, I ran into mall. We both thought it was the weirdest thing. I was pushing. He was my dad down Elizabeth. And, like, mall was just in the street. And I was like, hey, Ma, I.

[Mal]

Heard somebody call my name, and I'm like, you know, you turn around slow because you don't know who it is. It's Rory being a dad with a stroller. I'm like, oh, my God.

[Rory]

I know this doesn't sound that compelling, but to me, it was the craziest thing.

[Damaris]

It's like when you see your teacher in public.

[Rory]

Yes. That's the exact.

[Mal]

Exact.

[Rory]

It was like, oh, you're like a human outside of, you know, like, life.

[Mal]

Yeah. This would you be doing, like, outside of, like, recording. Like, you just be walking with your daughter.

[Julian]

Well, I know Rory was probably coming from the office. Where were you at? Where were you going?

[Mal]

I was going to see my. Check my homeboys. They store down the block.

[Julian]

Oh, okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. So I was going to check their store and kick it with them for a minute. And it happened above it in Rory.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was. That was our weekend.

[Mal]

Fun times.

[Rory]

Other than do much. I did sit on Instagram for a few hours going through this new trendy Magician's IG page. Kevin Hamden. I believe I'm pronouncing his name correctly.

[Mal]

Who is this guy? Because you and Julian got like, y'all inside tech jokes going and want to talk about this magician, he better be great.

[Rory]

No, it's not inside jokes.

[Damaris]

It's a pretty public account.

[Rory]

Yeah, he's big. Julian and I both are. Like, we miss. When there was the famous magician that, like, went to hang out with the celebrities and do crazy shit. Like, we miss David Blaine. We miss Chris.

[Mal]

He's still around. He's still hanging out.

[Damaris]

But not like the TV shows.

[Rory]

He's not going to the Tiktokers and like, you know.

[Mal]

Oh, no, he's not doing that. He's going.

[Rory]

He's making the stream disappear.

[Mal]

He's backstage with Chappelle.

[Damaris]

David Blaine in the hood is still like the most iconic television of all time.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. 100.

[Damaris]

When the whole block runs away, 100% is the best. It's the most entertaining thing I've ever seen. Yeah, and him watching that and him.

[Rory]

Being part of the creep squad did kind of ruin a little bit of like the Santa Claus version I had of him. What were they called?

[Damaris]

He was in the Patrol.

[Rory]

The Pussy patrol. Yes. Yeah, he was like one of four. And I heard he had hands.

[Mal]

Wait till that. Wait till that documentary comes out.

[Rory]

Listen. No, it's still going. They're still shooting. Leo's still with a 20 year old. They're still getting footage. They're building a RICO.

[Mal]

You think David Blaine didn't make somebody panties disappear by now, you know?

[Damaris]

Yeah, he made no innocence.

[Mal]

Oh, man. He's like checking the dress now.

[Rory]

Crazy in those back rooms.

[Mal]

Oh, God.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Were you guys Chris angel fans?

[Damaris]

Hell yeah.

[Rory]

I loved Chris Angel.

[Mal]

Nah, really? Nah.

[Julian]

I loved Chris Angel.

[Mal]

That was two. That was too theatrical. I'm more like the David Blaine street. David Blaine was too Vegasy. I mean, Criss angel was too Vegasy.

[Rory]

He did have, like, a residence.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was too Vegasy.

[Damaris]

When I was a kid, I made my parents buy me his book.

[Rory]

Did you?

[Mal]

Look, you know what? Now that you say that. Julian. Now that you say that.

[Rory]

Probably had that haircut too.

[Mal]

I know exactly the type of teenager you were.

[Damaris]

This book is in my childhood bedroom. Still.

[Mal]

You are such a. How did you have this Chris angel book? Chris Rory.

[Rory]

I liked. I didn't have the book.

[Mal]

Of course you didn't have the book.

[Rory]

But I liked Chris Angelo.

[Mal]

Listen, I would watch it if it ever came on. What channel was that? I want to Say A, E, maybe.

[Damaris]

It was a great.

[Rory]

It was a Travel Channel or tbs.

[Mal]

I think it was cbs. I don't know. One of those channels.

[Rory]

It wasn't the same when Travel Channel had the Ghost Hunters.

[Mal]

Ghost Hunters, Wow.

[Rory]

And then remember they had that one international guy that you could like clearly tell even as a kid.

[Mal]

Like, it was a TLC.

[Damaris]

He was on A&E and then USA as well.

[Mal]

A and E. I knew it was only.

[Damaris]

But yeah, I learned there's about two tricks that I know from the book still worth it.

[Rory]

Do you think you could make show offs? Yeah, like Julian.

[Mal]

No, see, I'm not. No, no, I'm not doing this.

[Rory]

What are the tricks?

[Mal]

Julian? Julian, listen to me. Listen to me very carefully.

[Julian]

Props.

[Mal]

Don't do it.

[Julian]

I didn't want to grab it in a.

[Mal]

Do not Julian.

[Rory]

Can you do it on Patreon?

[Mal]

Julian, listen to me. I'm trying to save you. Do not.

[Damaris]

You.

[Mal]

You're not going to teach me anything.

[Rory]

We'll do it on Patreon when Marco's the bathroom.

[Mal]

You're going to teach me from Chris.

[Damaris]

Angel's wine for one trick is a match.

[Rory]

We have matches here. Is that why you always buy matches?

[Damaris]

Matches?

[Rory]

It all makes sense.

[Mal]

That's why this. Holy shit.

[Rory]

It makes sense.

[Mal]

Books of matches in the back. I'm like, who uses matches?

[Rory]

Get a lighter.

[Mal]

Nobody uses matches. Because you know the Criss angel man.

[Damaris]

Well, just in case. Yeah.

[Rory]

Okay, so what do you do with the match?

[Damaris]

Disappear and then make it reappear?

[Julian]

So you burn it. You strike it and let it burn out.

[Damaris]

No, no, no. I'll. I'll show you guys later.

[Rory]

I don't want to make this Rockefeller again, though. Didn't Dame do something with either Criss angel or. Or David Blaine?

[Mal]

Probably David Blaine. I don't know.

[Rory]

I feel like there's a video of like your brother and Dame, like watching David Blaine, like jump off some in Vegas.

[Mal]

I don't know if it's Chris angel, probably David Blaine.

[Julian]

That's fine.

[Damaris]

David Blaine had all the celebrities you were mentioning all the. The frogs with Chappelle.

[Mal]

Yo. When he spit up those frogs in front of Drake and Dave Chappelle, I was like, see, they was looking at it like, whoa, I got questions, bro. Where was those frogs at?

[Julian]

In his esophagus.

[Damaris]

In his stomach?

[Rory]

Yeah. Like to who walks around just was.

[Mal]

Like, yeah, I'm gonna get this trick off later. Let me swallow five frogs and then spit them up around 7:30.

[Rory]

That's interesting.

[Mal]

Like, who does that?

[Rory]

That was interesting about David Blaine. Like, he would do magic. He started out doing magic in the street, in the hood, and would just make black people run away immediately. He would just, like, do a trick and they sprint off.

[Damaris]

The best videos of all.

[Rory]

Black people are really scared of magic. And I agree with them.

[Mal]

David Blaine is the Antichrist.

[Rory]

But then he started doing these tricks that aren't magic anymore. Now you're just harming yourself. You're keeping three frogs in your stomach.

[Mal]

Yeah. Remember when David Blaine did that? He was. He was in that ice box in Times Square for, like, a week.

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, that's not magic.

[Mal]

That's just stupid.

[Damaris]

Well, no, because a lot of his stuff became endurance tests. So he was very into breathing control and expanding your stomach and, like, pushing the limits of the water out.

[Mal]

Julian, we've all been to the pool and said, who can hold their shit?

[Damaris]

Seriously?

[Mal]

Yeah, but come on. Spitting up five baby frogs.

[Rory]

He's Peter Pan.

[Mal]

He never. In a champ.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

In a champagne flute. Like, come on, spin that up.

[Damaris]

Dave Chappelle. Champagne is crazy.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, what is that?

[Damaris]

And then doing that five times over.

[Mal]

He just handed them shits out like, drinks. Like, oh, you want one?

[Rory]

And then having orgies with Leo at night. Like, it is kind of the dream.

[Mal]

Yeah, it is the dream. Spit up frogs and.

[Rory]

Well, this new kid, Kevin, right? Kevin Hampton, he's, I think, building his way into that world, and I would love to have him on the show.

[Damaris]

Magic's back.

[Rory]

Play. Play this clip. I don't think we'll get flagged if we play ig clip. Now imagine she's here. Ignore everyone. In a moment, you're gonna feel an energy. Come here. It's gonna go all the way up your arm in here. Why is it all magicians have that eyebrow thing? Feel it now. Some of you feel it burning or.

[Mal]

You feel it now.

[Julian]

Okay, good, good.

[Rory]

See, right when you felt it, say.

[Mal]

The name in your head now to.

[Rory]

Me in your head. Claudia. Claudia Burns. Her.

[Julian]

It was like, right?

[Rory]

I was so initially, from what I gathered, that's, like, his biggest trick that he mostly does on Instagram is just read your mind. Like, create a scenario, and then you'll think of a name, and then he'll get it right every single time.

[Damaris]

Can you imagine how dangerous you would be if you could read minds? Mall.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Rory]

I don't know if I'd want that power.

[Julian]

I feel like I wouldn't either.

[Damaris]

I can bait people into an outcome that I want, but I can't manipulate your mind. Yeah, of course. Okay, but I can't, like, read your mind. That's like, who the fuck's Claudia?

[Mal]

What was that movie with Mel Gibson? He had that power where he could hear women's thoughts.

[Rory]

What women want.

[Mal]

Oh, my God, Classic movie. It is. I'm surprised he didn't get canceled for that yet.

[Damaris]

Well, also, Mel get. I mean, he played.

[Rory]

He did what men want and he had the power to hear all men's thoughts. And he was in the elevator and one woman walked in, and it's like six men and Chappelle can hear all their thoughts.

[Damaris]

The little kid walks in at the end, he's like, oh, innocent 8 year old. He's like the same thoughts.

[Rory]

Well, his point, like, setting up that premise was you could not do what men want because, like, it'd be too gross.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And that was at that time. Even now, I don't think you could.

[Mal]

Do what women want.

[Rory]

And now women have changed, or maybe they're just more open with their sexuality. What women want would be kind of gross, I think in 2024 as well.

[Julian]

Yeah, I think.

[Rory]

I think it'd be similar to Chappelle's bit of what men want.

[Mal]

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I think so. That's. But again, I think people are just so brash and straightforward and numb to, like, a lot of shit now to where people are just like, nothing is, like, too far.

[Rory]

They never brought Mel to the podium for the Passion of Christ or any of those phone calls, but he would be brought to the podium now because that's like the definition of coursing. Right. He would hear their thoughts and just do what they wanted. He'd beat and then move on to the next one.

[Mal]

Yeah, but is that. Is that coercion, though?

[Julian]

Like, if I give you what you want, is that coercion?

[Mal]

Yeah, like, if I hear.

[Rory]

I found out it was. Yes.

[Mal]

If I hear a girl across the room's thoughts and she's thinking about taking me in the bathroom, she wants to give me a blowjob.

[Rory]

If I got it like that. That's a weird scenario that she's.

[Mal]

I'm just saying, what if that's her thought?

[Rory]

You don't know. If you sit there, like, I hope someone respects me.

[Mal]

Oh, then we respect her. But we do that anyway.

[Damaris]

It's called aftercare.

[Mal]

Yeah, we do that. We do.

[Julian]

Julia.

[Rory]

I want to respectfully give them all.

[Julian]

I'm not.

[Mal]

Aftercare is sick.

[Julian]

Do you guys prefer. That's not a kink. You're supposed to do that when you have Sex period. You're supposed to do aftercare.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

What's after?

[Mal]

It's definitely, you know, when you get the baby wiping.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

No, that's not aftercare.

[Rory]

Make sure the water's warm.

[Julian]

It's like showing love and affection and, like, re. Energizing the person because, you know, if.

[Mal]

I go get the baby wipes and. And. And they steaming hot.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And I wipe you down and hold your ankles up like I'm changing your pampa. That's not.

[Damaris]

That's not affection, but it's like the cuddling. Cuddling. It's like you kiss her on the lips instead of the forehead after head.

[Julian]

No, you can also kiss her on the forehead, too. It's like just showing somebody that after sex. It's not just like, oh, we clean up. And like, we, like, you know, you should leave. Not even you should leave, but just, like, go into the kitchen and, like, do other things. Like. No, like, show affection to that person.

[Rory]

What if I dapper and then go to the kitchen?

[Mal]

Gangster.

[Damaris]

That kitchen kind of clutch.

[Mal]

A girl ever kissed you after sex and was like, great job.

[Rory]

Not the words per se, great job, but, yeah, alluding to.

[Mal]

I don't know how I feel about that.

[Rory]

You did good.

[Mal]

I don't. Kiss me and say, good job. Don't do that.

[Julian]

I'll definitely hit him with the check you out.

[Mal]

Do you guys ever think Tamaris is such a. What's wrong with her? Yo. Okay, check you out.

[Rory]

I'm trying to get like you after sex.

[Mal]

Check you out. Is crazy because a girl say, check you out.

[Julian]

I'm not about to be like, wow, you really. Nah, check you. Okay. I see you like, yeah, that's your pride speaking.

[Mal]

Yeah, exactly. That's all that is. You just don't want to admit, like.

[Julian]

Damn, yeah, I ain't doing that.

[Mal]

I'm like, you gotta let that go, babe. You gotta release that. You gotta let it go.

[Julian]

Oh, I let it go while we were having sex. And then once the sex, sex is over, the person that I was when we were having sex, I am no longer that person.

[Damaris]

Girls get post nut clarity, too.

[Julian]

Oh, more than y'all do, man.

[Mal]

I don't know about me.

[Rory]

Most. Most of the time they don't nut either, so.

[Mal]

Well, there's that.

[Rory]

But, yeah, I think it's just regret.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Rory]

That'd be a bad time to know their thoughts.

[Mal]

Oh, my gosh. Imagine you could know a girl's thoughts right after you had sex with.

[Damaris]

Do you guys plan. Because there's moments where if I'm having sex that I will think about two, three minutes before I come, I'm like, what am I gonna say? 1 immediately once this is over? Do you guys ever have that inner monologue? Like, what's the.

[Mal]

You are.

[Damaris]

What am I gonna land on?

[Mal]

You can talk to us. What happened?

[Damaris]

What's gonna break the ice after I. I come?

[Mal]

Why is that even a thought? Yeah, the ice is already. Brialla having is nothing, y'all. You are inside of her body, but then you go.

[Damaris]

And then it's like, awkward side. Then you gotta say something. What do you like, do you don't think ahead of that.

[Rory]

Was it about a year ago when we were trying to explain to Julian, I don't know if it was on Patreon or the regular episode that he was treating sex like just chasing another high? Yeah, he's not really having sex. He's just moving on to the next thing. You are now proving our point. I've evolved during sex. You're trying to think. You're trying to think of what to say when it's over.

[Mal]

Dating apps, bro. What's wrong with you?

[Julian]

You don't think about what to say when you're on this podcast, but after the nut, that's when you really want to put some thought and some clarification into what the you're gonna say.

[Damaris]

That's actually a good point.

[Rory]

Something politically incorrect to her.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mal]

That's sick.

[Julian]

You gotta kiss her butt cheek.

[Damaris]

I like. That's fine.

[Julian]

Yeah, Kiss her butt cheeking.

[Damaris]

I'm out of that.

[Julian]

Walk out the room. Go to the bathroom. That gives you a couple seconds.

[Mal]

Maybe a couple couscous for. You know. You know how you do couscous post sex? It's crazy.

[Rory]

Oh, you know what you could do? You could do your match magic trick.

[Damaris]

After sex because usually you want to light a candle during sex.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Like, watch this.

[Rory]

That would get her going.

[Mal]

But you usually like to. You. You definitely get your candle trick off before sex.

[Damaris]

I actually haven't done.

[Rory]

I'll try it if you set up the back game.

[Damaris]

I'm not in mom series. I haven't done it.

[Mal]

You're lying if you tell me you've never done that trick to a girl for a girl.

[Damaris]

I gotta practice it. I'll do it with you guys first.

[Mal]

You've never done that trick for a girl?

[Damaris]

No.

[Mal]

I don't believe you.

[Damaris]

Maybe, like, maybe in Chicago.

[Mal]

It was a windy night in Chicago.

[Rory]

He couldn't get the trick.

[Mal]

You lost the match. That's not a trick, Julie. It's just minus 10 degrees and it's windy outside.

[Rory]

Well, anyways, I want to have this magician on. Do you guys believe in magic?

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He's the greatest point guard of all time.

[Rory]

He made something disappear because he is still doing great.

[Mal]

Healthier than I. His strong as a bull. He's made more money, gotten stronger.

[Rory]

I'm gonna be so mad at God when I die before him, man. Anyways, yeah, I believe in magic for some people. I don't know if it's like Criss angel per se. I think he's maybe just good at performances, but I think magic makes this.

[Mal]

I don't know, man. I think a big part of magic is you. The. The person that you're performing the magic for, they have to trick, they have to believe. We have to believe it. We have to be open to being, you know, deceived and like that. Like, I don't know.

[Rory]

Well, I believe in, like, mediums with certain people, so I feel like magic can somewhere exist on that spectrum. Who is that? Like, the way there's a spectrum? I think the mediums are on the magic spectrum.

[Damaris]

Remember John Edward? That guy, the most famous median.

[Rory]

But he was like. He was full of shit, right?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Ms. Cleo's the most famous comedian, first of all.

[Damaris]

Well, he had, like, a television day job. Talk show.

[Rory]

No, she was. Could tell the future. Same spectrum.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

I think magic is in other cultures, is real and exists. But in American culture, it got commercialized and is used for what we know it as. Because I studied, like, in college, I took, like, a lot of African history courses. And there were the rituals and magic that was very real to the cultures and the tribes that were. And, you know, I go into those class, I'm like, yeah, right, whatever. And then we're seeing all these stories and seeing and hearing all these things like, okay, like, this seems more real. Whereas here it's always, like, commercialized and used for profit. And it doesn't seem as, like, authentic.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

My mom and aunt waited in line for John Edward, like, five times. They spent so much money, never got a reading. Then finally went to, like, some off Broadway John Edward. It immediately got the most accurate reading ever.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So I believe in it. I just think some people that John Edward to me, and maybe he. He is real. But the stuff I've seen, like, the clips he's put out, he's like that. What's that priest in Houston that scams everyone?

[Damaris]

Oh, Joel Austin.

[Rory]

He's like. He's like, the medium version of that.

[Damaris]

God said I need another Ferrari.

[Mal]

Yeah, but what if God said that? See what I'm saying?

[Rory]

Well, I feel a little left out then. God, you have other kids.

[Mal]

I'm your. I'm your son, too.

[Rory]

I'm not your favorite. I thought I was God's favorite. So we were all. Would you guys go ghost hunting with me?

[Julian]

Like, at a real place, man, Like. No, I'm not going ghost hunting.

[Mal]

Why?

[Julian]

With you?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What's up with you? You went to see your white cousins this weekend?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You start acting white after you go see the family?

[Rory]

Did you guys ever do the Ouija boards? I did that with my white cousins. I know I only have white cousins, but my cousin.

[Mal]

With my white cousin, but. So you got some. You got some nigga cousins we don't know about? Like, oh, okay.

[Rory]

I have two cousins that are half Irish and half Cuban.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Spicy.

[Julian]

White.

[Mal]

Yeah, that might be a little, you know me. A little sauce.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, Ouija boards don't work, man.

[Rory]

I just listen to too much Bone Thugs and Harmony.

[Julian]

They do. I think they do.

[Mal]

You think Ouija boards work?

[Julian]

Yes, I do.

[Mal]

No, you don't. Yes, I do.

[Rory]

A bunch of 8 year olds just trying to.

[Julian]

No, I don't think I were using it right.

[Damaris]

How are they supposed to use it?

[Rory]

We should have bought the Chris angel book.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That is sick that you really brought that book.

[Damaris]

I'll bring it next time. Please don't have my parents.

[Mal]

I believe you. I believe. I don't want to see it.

[Rory]

What. What streaming service did Travel Channel, like, merge with? Where can I get all there?

[Julian]

I'm pretty sure either Max or Paramount.

[Rory]

Plus Travel, because they used to have this ghost hunter one with this guy. I don't know if he was Australian or something, but he was clearly full of. But it was hilarious. Like, he walked into the basement of one haunted house and was like, the polar bears, they're all over. And it's like, you're seeing polar bears right now. Because he could see that. He could see the ghosts, but nobody else on the crew could see the ghost.

[Mal]

He could see naturally.

[Rory]

And I was like, there's polar bear ghosts now. As a kid, I was beside myself.

[Damaris]

Do you believe in Ghost mall?

[Mal]

I. I think I told this story before. I. I saw. I saw. Well, Styles is, you know, the ghost. The ghost. But I think I saw a ghost one time. I think. Did I tell that story before?

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Yeah. I was standing outside on my block at the building across the street from my building, and it's like the way the building is set up. It's like the outside doors and then it's like steps to go up to the other doors to actually get in the building. And my homeboys were standing in front of the door. My back is to the street. I'm looking at my friends, and it was this crazy. Like, it was just like a figure that looked. It kind of looked like this light, but it was like right there. And then it just kept, like, bouncing, and then it just disappeared. And I'm looking like. I thought it was the light flickering inside the building, but it was moving. It was too, too bright. And it was just moving, like, weird. And I was like. And this was something I couldn't, like while my homeboy was standing. I'm looking past him, like, what the is that?

[Damaris]

Were you high?

[Mal]

No. So I'm thinking that was some type of spirit or something. Like, it. It was just too bright and too big and just moving. Just weird. And I was just. That it was not the light in the lobby. So that was the spirit of Fordham. The spirit of. Definitely the spirit of Fordham. But, yeah, that was the first time I saw something where I felt like that was something out of this world.

[Rory]

Not really a fuck, marry, kill question per se, but who would you rather have invade this year? The zombies, the aliens, or ghosts? You can put it in order or you can just pick one.

[Mal]

Well, I think the aliens are already here, so.

[Rory]

But, like, when they call their friends.

[Mal]

Try to take over, the wait's over. Yeah, bring the aliens, man.

[Julian]

Aliens.

[Mal]

Bring the aliens. Bring them more. Let's sit down and kick it with them.

[Damaris]

Being homies with a ghost would be kind of cool, though.

[Julian]

I don't like anything I can't beat. That's why the scariest movies to me are like, the ones about anything spiritual or any type of infestation of spirits. Like, you can't fight them.

[Damaris]

But so much of spirituality in Hollywood is always negative. There's happy, like, spirits, too. Casper. I was about to say I would.

[Rory]

Casper made us all a better friend.

[Damaris]

But, like, having a ghost. Having a ghost, homie, would be cool.

[Mal]

The greatest ghost movie of all time is ghost Patrick Swayze.

[Rory]

Yeah, you're probably right.

[Mal]

Get off my train. Get off my train.

[Rory]

Actually a pretty spot out impression.

[Mal]

That's the greatest ghost movie of all time. If you never saw Ghost of Patrick Swayze, you missing out. But that is definitely the greatest ghost movie.

[Julian]

I haven't seen this as a child. I got to go back and watch it.

[Rory]

Zombies would definitely be.

[Mal]

And if 3 Bill Cosby wasn't canceled, Ghost dad, second best.

[Rory]

I don't know if I've seen Ghost dad.

[Mal]

You never seen Ghost dad with Bill Cosby? Oh, my God, no.

[Julian]

I've never even heard of that.

[Damaris]

Ghost dad.

[Mal]

I've never seen Ghost Dad.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Damn, I'm getting old.

[Julian]

We were born.

[Mal]

I never seen Ghost Dad. Bro, you know Ghost Dad.

[Rory]

That's what happens when you take a Quaalude.

[Mal]

And yeah, you didn't mean to those dad. Now Ghost dad is the shit.

[Julian]

Have you ever taken a. I'm jealous of all the people that took Quaaludes.

[Rory]

We missed the Quaalude era. My dad speaks great tales about the Quaalude era. Makes me very jealous.

[Mal]

Well, Wolf of Wall street made me mad that I wasn't a part of the Quaalude era.

[Rory]

Yeah, I wish somebody could just go find somewhere.

[Mal]

Actually, I'm talking shit. I was never a drug. A pill popper. I'm talking.

[Julian]

I was gonna say you don't take drugs now.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think it was just the. The Era and Molly era that we.

[Damaris]

Got just a little bit better, but seems pretty interesting.

[Mal]

Ghost dad.

[Damaris]

No, I mean that too, but Quaaludes. I never was a pill person, but, yeah, I'm cool.

[Rory]

I think I'd rather have the ghosts invade first because we don't really have too much proof of what they could up. I feel like aliens are smarter than us.

[Mal]

Oh, aliens are definitely smaller than us.

[Rory]

And I feel like we could ask the ghosts a lot of questions and, like, really get to the bottom of this religion thing because, like, they were there.

[Damaris]

Yeah, zombies are dumb, too. There's not really much upside. Zombies are just annoying.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. You know. You met one.

[Damaris]

Huh?

[Mal]

You met one?

[Rory]

Yeah, on Fordham.

[Damaris]

I mean, I was going to say. Yeah, I can go right outside.

[Rory]

That was the ghost you saw on for you.

[Mal]

Go right to hunt. 25th and Lexington Avenue, my brother. You'll meet a lot of Zomb.

[Damaris]

They hate it when we do this. But I saw some more recent videos coming out of that Kensington Street.

[Mal]

Oh, my God, that's the zombie.

[Damaris]

There's some zombies there, man.

[Mal]

That's the zombie apocalypse right there.

[Damaris]

Heads hovering, like, off the ground, standing up.

[Mal]

I cannot believe that's a real area in America. Yeah, I don't know how that shit. Like, how did the government not go over there and clean all of that shit up?

[Rory]

Because they put it together.

[Julian]

There you go. Capitalism.

[Rory]

Anyways, it was good sports weekend, though. I didn't do Much. But football, we got it. We got a great game.

[Mal]

Shout out to the Lions, man. They got a shot.

[Rory]

I mean, depending on the script of how you look at the NFL, I'm not quite sure. And we'll get.

[Mal]

They got a shot. Well, to the Detroit Lions.

[Rory]

It. We can get. We can get right into the script and then get into Taylor Swift.

[Mal]

All right, so you. You one of these people that believe in that. That the NFL is scripted and that they know who the super bowl game is going to be played against. And you're one of those.

[Damaris]

This is an interesting angle.

[Rory]

No. Okay, well, yeah, let's start with this angle, because this tweet went viral and this has been a thing for quite some time. And I think Aaron Foster probably had one of the best answers to. Is the NFL scripted?

[Mal]

Shout out to Henry. False.

[Rory]

Hilarious. But for the last two Super Bowls, the colors have matched the teams that ended up there. And the one on top was always the one that lost. I don't put much merit into that.

[Mal]

So the colors have matched and the team. What? That one? What?

[Rory]

So two years ago, it was Bangles and La La colors are on the bottom of the logo. And the Bangles colors are on the top. Yes, the Bangles lost. Then the next year, it was Eagles, Chiefs. The Eagles colors are on top. The Chiefs are on the bottom. And this. This was put out before people went in. Teams went into the Super Bowl. Like, they announced this logo with those colors before Bengals and Rams, before Eagles and Chiefs. They announced this year's logo already. And ironically, it has The San Francisco 49ers colors on top and the Ravens on the bottom. We don't know if they're going to be in the super bowl yet. Obviously, San Fran is playing Detroit and the Chiefs are playing the Ravens. So we'll see. But it was an interesting thing. And then there was also those tweets of years ago where people were predicting Super Bowls and scores and all that shit. But I don't put much merit into Twitter in that regard, and I think it'd be absolutely, like, impossible. I've met a lot of football players. I'm sorry to speak down on you guys, because you guys are great as a whole. I feel like some of them don't really have the thespian abilities to act out this entire script that you think is about to happen.

[Julian]

Rory's calling out.

[Mal]

Well, when you. When you.

[Rory]

I'm not. There's just been a few that I've met that are just really good at football.

[Damaris]

You're saying you can't read either.

[Mal]

Cte. I've said it's a real thing. I don't.

[Rory]

Well, first of all, I want to make clear. I don't think I could perform a whole NFL script even if I had the abilities to play in the NFL.

[Damaris]

But what about.

[Rory]

That's very difficult.

[Damaris]

What about the 50 other Super Bowls that don't follow this color scheme rule?

[Mal]

That's what I was about to say.

[Damaris]

About the last two.

[Rory]

And not only that, now they're trying to show us. Yeah, like, that's why I'm saying the graphic designer is. He's a whistleblower.

[Mal]

I get it. But, I mean, I think that if there is a script, the players don't know about it.

[Rory]

I think there's some refs that are on the take with the league and also with Vegas, but I don't think that's a script, per se.

[Mal]

Well, the thing about sports is, again, it's. It's about money. It's not so much about competition anymore. It's about money and the teams that are watched the most and teams that. The players that put the most seats, fans in the stands and things like that. So do I think that there is a thing where the refs are handed some type of.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think.

[Mal]

Playbook.

[Rory]

I think that that exists in certain scenarios. This is where things need to lean.

[Mal]

Yeah. Because there's way too much money involved. So I get easier in basketball than.

[Rory]

I think it is in football.

[Mal]

Way easier in basketball. And we know that refs have been found betting on games that they actually refed and things like that, so. But my thing is now with sports betting being legal now, I think that everything is on the table now, because once you're allowed to legally bet and place wages on games, I think that that changes everything. And Pete Rose should be let into the hall of Fame. Let's just put that out there again. I'm gonna just keep.

[Rory]

Oh. I agreed when gambling was illegal that he should have been in the hall of Fame.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, Pete Rose should be in the hall of Fame.

[Rory]

And just imagine taking, like, all the college football players and, like, trying to teach them how to fake football.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Say, got to the pros. That would be insane. But the games were great. I feel for the bills. Like, I'm sort of a bill.

[Mal]

That was tough. That was tough.

[Rory]

Wide right again. You guys shake that.

[Mal]

That was tough.

[Damaris]

Happens, man. I was drawn up.

[Rory]

Do you guys believe in the curse of. Of Jerry Jones and the segregated schools?

[Mal]

Hey, hey, hey. I'm not mad at that theory. I'm not mad at that theory. But one thing I will say, because.

[Rory]

MLK was at the Ravens game, I.

[Mal]

Just feel like maybe Martin had a dream. I get it.

[Damaris]

He dreamt harder.

[Mal]

I understand.

[Rory]

And wasn't. Didn't they put racism on Edgar Allan Poe's jacket? Like, maybe there was a reason the ghost of Martin Luther King was at the Ravens game. For those that don't know, it's named after the poem Raven by Edgar Allen Poe.

[Mal]

I see how you tie that together right there.

[Rory]

That was the first thing I thought. The ghost of Martin was just, you know, checking up on that race racist investment. But like, also, why out of all the things like Baltimore, Because I feel like the Baltimore Crabs obviously would be too funny and you can't really do that. Out of all the things in Baltimore, why a poem by Edgar Lampo? I just never really. Like, there's so many other things you could have done.

[Mal]

It's not a poem. It's a bird.

[Rory]

The team is named after that. The Raven.

[Mal]

Oh, it is.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Who landed on that? Like who?

[Rory]

That's what I'm trying to.

[Mal]

Organization landed on that. The type of.

[Rory]

That's better off calling it the Barksdales.

[Mal]

Yeah. What? Yeah, like, what is that about?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I don't know what these.

[Mal]

See, if I didn't like Lamar, I would be rooting against them now for that dumb ass shit. But I like Lamar.

[Rory]

You can't root against Lamar because they named a team 20 years ago.

[Mal]

But get out of here.

[Damaris]

What of the four teams left, who do you want to take it all the way? Pause.

[Mal]

I would like to see Lamar get one.

[Rory]

Yeah, I'm going for the Ravens.

[Damaris]

Same.

[Mal]

I would like to see Lamar.

[Rory]

Or would have been the Bills.

[Mal]

Lamar or the Lions. Yeah, because nobody, nobody in Detroit has ever seen the Lions get this far.

[Rory]

Detroit. Detroit deserves it.

[Mal]

Yeah, man, it's like, God damn, man, they done paid their dues. Enough is enough. Let them get one.

[Rory]

It's going to be kind of crazy if it's Detroit and Baltimore in Vegas.

[Julian]

Going to be in the building in Vegas.

[Mal]

I'm going, no, you Cartier glasses are.

[Rory]

Going to go crazy, nigga.

[Mal]

The crap table's going to be so flooded, you're going to think they're giving away fish plates at them crap tables. The Lions and the Ravens and the super bowl in Vegas.

[Rory]

But then if you think about it, the Kansas City mob did build Vegas.

[Damaris]

So they did.

[Rory]

Chiefs go. Never seen Casino. I wasn't there.

[Damaris]

Every episode, Casino gets brought up.

[Mal]

Listen, it's a history book. You ain't watching the right shit. Yeah. You ain't watching the right shit.

[Rory]

But. Yeah, I just. I don't know. I want a good game.

[Mal]

Yeah. I would like to see Demar get a. Get a ring. I just think that he's one of the, you know, best players in the NFL right now. One of the best players that I've ever seen. Black quarterback. Baltimore being the city that it is, it just gives them something to celebrate. Um, and as well as Detroit, too.

[Rory]

But back. Back to the. The script or maybe the manipulation. Do we think we're going to see some. Some wild calls in the Ravens Chiefs game? Because having Taylor Swift at the super bowl would be.

[Damaris]

She might just do a guest spot.

[Rory]

Yeah. I actually would feel bad for Usher.

[Damaris]

They just panned her.

[Rory]

The whole, like, the whole Usher concert just might be Taylor dancing to Usher.

[Mal]

Dancing off. Dancing off beat.

[Rory]

That's her. They do the Grammys.

[Mal]

You know, Taylor going to put her hands in her hair and, you know, being her own little.

[Rory]

She goes crazy on the three.

[Mal]

Yeah. You know that.

[Rory]

I can see that happening, though. I can see the. The commissioner having a conversation with those refs. Like, if you can't make it obvious.

[Damaris]

Yeah, we'd like to see Taylor's in the building.

[Rory]

I forgot what publication put out does Taylor get a ring if the Chiefs win.

[Mal]

So. So the Chiefs are playing. The Chiefs are playing the Ravens.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

San Fran and Detroit.

[Damaris]

And the Ravens are at home.

[Mal]

I think. I think Lamar. I think he want that Pat Mahomes smoke. I think he want that. I think he. I think he low key feel like, yo, I'm a lot better than you, bro. Like, I think. I think Lamar feels like that. Like, as most players feel like they.

[Rory]

The best feel that way right now and should feel that way, but, like, objectively, nah. Both incredible. Think Pat Connor.

[Damaris]

Pat's stats are crazy.

[Rory]

I think Lamar could maybe get there one day, but Patrick Mahomes is like a different.

[Mal]

What do y'all think? All right, so what do you.

[Rory]

I think Lamar is a very close second there, but not like. And he very much is the MVP this year, as he should be. But Patrick Mahomes, like, is. It's a. The last six years they've been in the afc.

[Damaris]

No, this has never missed the championship game. I said already, like, he lost to.

[Rory]

Brady and that's about it.

[Damaris]

He's literally give him a few more. More years. His resume is already going to be better than Brady's. He's going to be the best Statistic quarterback of all time, Patrick Mahomes in half the amount of time.

[Rory]

And also has. Has always had great weapons, too, as well.

[Mal]

I'm not Jack Kelsey.

[Rory]

Yes, Lamar has had some years where it hasn't been great, but then it's also had some weapons.

[Mal]

Either way, Lamar was hurt too, wasn't he?

[Rory]

Yeah, for a minute. And we won't keep on football this entire time, but it was a football weekend, and we are gearing up for the Super Bowl.

[Mal]

Shout out to the Detroit Lions. Shout out to the Baltimore Ravens.

[Julian]

You guys going to party? Super bowl party?

[Rory]

No, I hadn't thought about it.

[Damaris]

We did one of yours two years ago.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yes. When it was Dr. Dre and friends.

[Damaris]

That was. Right.

[Rory]

Which was great.

[Damaris]

That was a fun night.

[Rory]

It was a very fun night. I think Jason Kelsey did the perfect most. How do I put it? Probably the best possible thing you could do going into retirement with the resources you have. That's a renaissance, man.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The only way you're going to outshine Taylor Swift is take your shirt off next to her and start pounding beers. Especially when you have an amazing podcast and you just retired this. This is like goat behavior to me. How else could you get shine over Taylor Swift in a booth?

[Damaris]

Look at this. He jumps out the booth.

[Rory]

One of the greatest centers of all time. And maybe as we see this play out, one of the greatest promoters I've seen in quite some time.

[Mal]

You're next.

[Rory]

You're next to T. Swift. How do you get any attention chugging a beer?

[Mal]

The best part of this sweats, the best part of this whole thing is he got on Tim's with sweats. Yeah, that's a real. Right there. That's a real.

[Julian]

I want to be his friend. Like, I want to listen to his podcast.

[Damaris]

It's so smart of him because not only did he do that, but he also. He obviously, him being Travis's brother, he's automatically associated with the Chiefs. He goes out of his way to get into the Bill's tailgate. So he joined, like, a massive Bill's tailgate, chugged from one of their things. And then he also lifted up a little girl so she could see Taylor Swift with a sign. She was a Bills fan. So it's like he's so smart, he's just integrating himself into. Okay, I'm just a fan of everyone. So he's doing all this shit with the Bill.

[Mal]

This is. This is. Yeah, but see, I put too much on it. This is typical drunk white man behavior at the game.

[Julian]

I don't even think.

[Mal]

If he wasn't an NFL. If he wasn't an NFL star and his brother wasn't an NFL star, then y'all. Wouldn't. There would just be another drunk guy at the tailgate.

[Rory]

Okay, but this.

[Mal]

87 other drunk guys that got kicked out of stadium for doing the same.

[Rory]

Exact shit, but they're not the same. All right. Rock the same way. Yeah, sometimes just.

[Mal]

It's just white boy behavior. That's all. It's just white boy behavior.

[Rory]

But it's being applauded now because.

[Mal]

Because of who he is.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but he earned this.

[Mal]

No, 100%. Yeah, 100.

[Damaris]

I just think it's smart. He's not like the Bills. He's not like, let's go. I'm only rooting for my brother. Like, he's doing all this stuff in enemy territory.

[Rory]

And I feel like you're definitely allowed to get off the white boy. Beer chugging after the last. How many years has he been in the league?

[Damaris]

Six? Seven?

[Rory]

I think, even. Maybe. Maybe more than that.

[Mal]

Jason Kelsey.

[Damaris]

Yeah, right.

[Mal]

He's been in the league more than six years.

[Rory]

Travis has been in there longer. And that's his older brother.

[Mal]

Yeah, he's been in the league.

[Damaris]

All right. 11 years.

[Rory]

All right. 11 years of trying to block the A gap with middle linebackers. Cracking your head in. Go have some Bud Lights with Taylor, bro.

[Mal]

Absolutely.

[Rory]

You earned it.

[Julian]

You earned it.

[Rory]

Yeah. I hope your head is okay.

[Mal]

And he's a champion, too. So he's not the greatest center.

[Rory]

Hall of Famer, easy. One of the best centers ever. Did they ever find out who the MLK gentleman was?

[Mal]

I think they did find him.

[Damaris]

Twitter was on it. They found. Sure.

[Rory]

They found his address.

[Mal]

Yo, he looked just like. He looked just. Just like Dr. Martin Luther the King, man.

[Damaris]

The King.

[Mal]

That's Dr. Martin Luther the King right there, for sure.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that is. That's pretty dead on. I hope they bring him. Remember that woman that went viral a few weeks ago at the Chiefs game, Taylor Swift? It's like some Asian woman was, like, a huge fan, I think. No, she was an LA fan. And they flew her out to achieves game, and they, like, put Buffalo Wild wings, gave her, like, tens of thousands of dollars to put her in the crowd. I hope they do that with this guy.

[Rory]

That's risky, though. And I'm not putting anything bad on this gentleman's jacket at all. But in the past, like, remember, I think it might have been like the Hillary Trump debate. Guys, I promise I'm not going political There was that guy, like, Ken that wore the sweater that asked, like, a question at one of the debates. He super viral.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, didn't he end up being kind of creepy?

[Damaris]

Oh, he got a white woman, too.

[Julian]

Oh, that is not very OKAY of him.

[Damaris]

It is.

[Rory]

I'm staying out of this one.

[Mal]

That's his wife.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Look at that little side.

[Rory]

We don't know that. Is it.

[Julian]

That's his kid. That's their kid.

[Damaris]

Look at. Yes.

[Mal]

Yo, come on. What's his name? Wardell.

[Rory]

We can get off sports, sort of, but not really.

[Mal]

Oh, well, Sports Illustrated got off sports. It's fucking over.

[Rory]

Rest in peace. Well, not really rest in peace because they didn't say it was over over for Sports Illustrated.

[Mal]

Rest in print.

[Rory]

Yes. Which I, you know, we saw that coming. They held on as long as possible, but they did lay off a lot of people, which. Which sucks for real journalists, because, I mean, that's not really a craft anymore.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And you just see it dying and.

[Julian]

It'S like, damn, first to them.

[Damaris]

It's not true.

[Rory]

They got laid off.

[Mal]

They didn't die.

[Rory]

And they're like real journalists. Okay, so we're like the kid that farts in a girl's face on Twitch is making more money. I feel for them.

[Damaris]

Oh, who's a girl? See, that's journalism.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I talk about Sports Illustrated. No, listen, we all grew up on it. It was one of the greatest things ever.

[Mal]

Sports Illustrated is definitely something that we grew up on and one of the. The greatest sports magazine ever. So to know that. That the company is now, you know, shutting down. Well, but I mean.

[Rory]

No, no, it's not shutting down. They're. They just did a lot of layoffs.

[Damaris]

Are they just doing digital only?

[Rory]

It appears that way.

[Damaris]

Like, because. Yeah, I would imagine they're not going to give up on the swimsuit edition.

[Mal]

No, they can't give them.

[Damaris]

Can't do that.

[Mal]

It's like Playboy.

[Damaris]

That's important journalism.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

But let's. Let's not say it's over for them. They just laid off a bunch of people, which sucks. And I think Pitchfork as well.

[Julian]

Yes. Pitchfork had a huge layoff as well for their writers.

[Mal]

Well, that's.

[Rory]

I was reading that Universal Music Group, Atlantic, A lot of people allegedly are doing big layoffs this year. Like, it's. It's getting rough out there. Why are you laughing? And I'm like, damn.

[Mal]

No, but I think that. I think that it's really just because of, you know, now athletes have their own platforms in their own way. Of getting their stories out. When you have social media, you know, a lot of these athletes now have their own podcasts.

[Rory]

Same goes for artists. That's why you don't need as big of a staff.

[Mal]

Yeah. So it's just. It's just a sign that it's. And, you know, it's probably because a lot of people rather control their own narrative.

[Damaris]

Anna Wintour is gangster. So they Conde Nast, which obviously she runs, bought out Pitchfork. And while she was bringing them into network and laying off the staff, she kept her sunglasses on.

[Mal]

Gangster.

[Damaris]

It's pretty hard.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that's Anna Wintour. I mean, she's gonna keep her glasses on if she wants to keep her glasses on. I mean, and if you land, I feel like. What if she had, like, watery eyes and she didn't want them to see.

[Julian]

How she did not have water.

[Damaris]

I promise she didn't have any emotions.

[Rory]

She have eyes.

[Damaris]

That's a fact. We've never seen her eyes.

[Mal]

No, we've seen that at once before. What do y'all talk about?

[Rory]

I feel like I could probably get a new job pretty easily, especially in the media space, if while I was being laid off by Anna Winter and she had sunglasses, Winter took a full glass of water and threw it right in her face.

[Damaris]

You would never.

[Rory]

Complex would hire me immediately.

[Julian]

Oh, for sure.

[Rory]

Well, not me, but. Oh, definitely a hypothetical person I'm talking about.

[Mal]

I feel bad for. I'm Sports Illustrated, though. That is like a childhood.

[Rory]

Like, you know, I mean, it's an end of an era. And Pitchfork too. I mean, obviously different, but Pitchfork hasn't been around as long as Sports Illustrated. But Pitchfork was an era in my. My life as far as music went, and I found new music. And absolutely their stamp meant a lot, whether you like it or not, or whether you agreed with Pitchfork or whether you thought it was too many hipster yit. Either way, their stamp meant something. They still were like, the last people actually reviewing albums with real journalism. So it's kind of trash to see this happen. I get it. And things are moving forward, but I can be nostalgic and. And sad for a day.

[Damaris]

Started in Chicago. Pitchfork.

[Mal]

But do we expect on the Match.

[Rory]

Trick you would have got hired?

[Mal]

Don't we expect that to happen over, like, a lot of print things, like, for that to kind of phase out? I mean, everything is digital now. Everything is.

[Rory]

But I mean, you looked at Complex started out as print and then clearly changed with the times.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And made a whole media company and took everyone under them. So. Yeah. You see it. It's just Pitchfork probably tried to hold on to their journalistic integrity for too long, even though they've had some in the past. Don't get me wrong, they at least backed it with real explanations. It wasn't as salacious as certain lists sometimes, even though they did. I think it was them that did the Ice Spice thing recently was like, y'all should have done this 10 years ago if you wanted to stay afloat. Yeah, they were, like, too busy actually reviewing albums in.

[Mal]

See, that's the way.

[Rory]

The way fans want.

[Mal]

See, that's up. That's up. They have a journalistic integrity, and then they don't last. The Times. Yeah, that's how it's up, man. That's up. That's. But like you said, that's how it goes. So, I mean, I get it, but that's. That's up. I mean, you gotta have. You gotta have. You gotta keep some type of integrity when it comes to art in sports and things like that. Like you is that. That's something that I get. You know, times have changed and things are different now, but you got to keep some integrity in play here.

[Rory]

I mean, I. I put it back to TMZ and the Daily News. The Daily News always had, like, the most. And huge letters. Even when journalistic integrity existed, it would be the Times, and then you'd have the Daily News with just an asinine headline in huge letters that made no fucking sense. And people were like, oh, shit. And picked it up. And they're. They're still thriving with print. They're doing just fine because they do the bullshit. Yeah, but, you know. And see, I don't need to explain that one. But anyways, speaking of the Pitchfork era, for some reason Lupe Fiasco and Kid Cudi beef is back ignited.

[Mal]

Did you think we needed this in 24? No, it's not a good way to start 24.

[Rory]

Also, I'm not mad.

[Mal]

Not gonna get any good music out of this.

[Rory]

I don't think we will. Because it started out everyone wanting peace, but just to give a quick backstory for those that don't know. Because it took me researching to even figure out where this beef really stemmed from. I just guess I don't really remember Kid Cudi and Lupe having beef. I guess I just missed that, that day on Twitter.

[Mal]

But I remember a little back and forth, but I didn't think it was beef.

[Rory]

Yeah, seems like in 2014, because this interview resurfaced with. With my guy, Zane Lowe, who loves me Yep. Zane, I want to piece it up the same way Cudi and Lupe did. You and I can. We can solve this, be progressive.

[Julian]

Nah, that.

[Rory]

And I'm sure Zayn has no interest in piecing things up with me or cares. Cudi was being interviewed by Zayn, which I'm sure was a phenomenal interview. And I'm sure Zayn asked all the right questions.

[Damaris]

Poignant questions, probably the most challenging interview of Cudi's career for sure.

[Rory]

And I'm sure it was amazing. And we love Zayn.

[Mal]

Zayn wants to beat you up so bad. He has a migraine. He's a. Lupe tweeted.

[Rory]

Imagine.

[Mal]

I felt him, though. I understood what he was saying.

[Rory]

So imagine if Zayn retweeted that Lupe tweet that you just said, yes, bro, I know the feeling. And then added, me.

[Mal]

I know. I know what he mean, though. I know what he mean. It's like sometimes you just. It's certain people that just get your blood boiling like that.

[Rory]

Yeah. So Cudi was telling Zayn that before he got famous, he worked at the Bape store, which a lot of people know, especially Cudi fans. It's like one of his things. And Lupe came in there to just shop, and he hid in, like, the break room or downstairs in the basement because he didn't want Lupe to ever be able to say, yo, you sold me clothes when he got famous, which to me is a really weird thing to think of.

[Mal]

That's just. That's weird that you're thinking like that, like, and that far down the line.

[Rory]

And thinking that me and Lupe will have beef one day. And maybe Cudi was right this whole time, and maybe he's one of the aliens that can see the future.

[Mal]

I can't trust people that think that far down the line to have beef with someone.

[Rory]

I think that's strange. I think you can think down the.

[Mal]

Line, like, not that far.

[Rory]

One day, maybe I'll work with Lupe.

[Mal]

Not that far, though. But that's like. Cause now you're seeming everything you do now from this point on to me, if you tell me, like, that's your way of thinking, I think that you're way too calculated.

[Damaris]

This is like a. That's so Raven moment. Like he.

[Rory]

You know, in camouflage.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, because he had the premonition and then he made it become true, but it never really was a thing until he invited that into his. You know.

[Rory]

But I'm. I'm with Mall, though.

[Mal]

If.

[Rory]

If I'm watching this Interview. And we have no. Well, I think Cudi did go on to say, well, he doesn't even like me, so look at that. I would feel right about not liking you. Cause why are you thinking that? That makes me think you're trying to have beef with me.

[Mal]

It's weird. It's weird for you to just like you're creating this energy now between us. Like, you ever meet somebody and you feel like y'all have an issue but you don't know what it is?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Mal]

That's just, it's like, bro, like, I do that a lot. Like, there'll be people. But see, what I realize is it's because. Or what I think it is in my case. I think that when you see somebody like that, that you feel like there's always something whenever you see them. It's like the energy is weird. I think that's because that person has spent so much time talking shit about you that when they finally see you, they're acting like, oh, he may have heard me. He may have heard something. I said, yeah. So the energy is just weird. So what I do is I throw them off their whole script because they're acting anyway. They're acting like they like me when they don't. I throw them off their script and just say, what's up to them first. I'm like, yo, what's up, fam? How you. And just watch them like, oh, I was supposed to say that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, take they line from them. Like, yeah, that was you. You just scripted with me. You acting with me because you really don't fuck with me. And I don't know why. Which is weird because it's like, as men, why do you not like me? Especially if I don't know you? And I never like, well, you're catching.

[Rory]

Them in their own brain going, oh, fuck, I forgot this beef is one sided.

[Mal]

Exactly, Exact. Fuck. It's like, I don't have. I don't know you to have.

[Rory]

I've only talked behind his back.

[Mal]

Shit. It may have gotten back to him. He may have heard something I said. Are we going to fight right here? Like, no, we're not. I'm going to say what's up to you and make you feel awkward when.

[Rory]

The reality of it is you never said anything publicly, so why should there be an issue in your brain?

[Mal]

So I feel like that's what a lot of this is.

[Rory]

Yeah. And then I think, I think in 2016, it was Lupe was doing like customized verses on Twitter for 500 bucks, which Cudi said, and I quote, according to Hip Hop dx, because I don't remember this beef was. That's a bit sketch. So.

[Mal]

So maybe that's what this is all about.

[Rory]

I suppose even in my research, it was hard to find much stuff that was a problem between the two of them.

[Mal]

But Lupe, this only happens in hip hop.

[Rory]

Lupe in no way has ever been good music, per se, but he was like, you know, a cousin almost. He was always around the good music camp. And we've heard about internal issues between Sean and Cudi, between Kanye and Cudi. I think there's more behind the scenes that we're not as privy to, even though we have a few examples of why they have beef.

[Mal]

I just. This is just hip. I feel like if Slash said, Yo, I'm doing $500 guitar solos, right? I don't think that Chris Martin from Coldplay jumps in and be like, yo, that's a little sketch.

[Rory]

He might have got hacked.

[Mal]

Yeah, like, I don't. This only happens in hip hop.

[Rory]

Yeah. And I guess it's a little odd, cuz Cudi, like, he tweets, but, like, why are you coming out of your. Your cave to Talk about my 500 verses?

[Mal]

I can understand that.

[Rory]

Either way, we're talking about Cudi moving a little weird during that Zayn interview. I think we can give people grace and redemption when they openly admit, hey, I've been moving weird. He just had a reconciliation with Kanye, and I thought penned, like, a great letter about their relationship and how he's moved. And it's not just on ye. Even though ye wows out, I still have a lot to do with it. And it seems like he took that healing energy and went to Twitter and the now deleted tweets. I'll paraphrase, because for some reason, we can only find all the hate. Said to Lupe, hey, I moved weird before. I apologize. Shouldn't have been doing any of that. Which Lupe immediately. And I saw this part in real time, said, that's all I ever needed, which I feel him. Sometimes you just need someone to apologize and say what they're wrong for, and you're good.

[Mal]

No, what happened was. See, I'm gonna give you what really happened. Cuddy got one of those. He saw one of those videos of Lupe swinging that samurai in his backyard.

[Rory]

I'm terrified.

[Mal]

And then decided, like, you know what? This ain't the nigga you want to be beef with. He knows something I don't.

[Rory]

Yeah, Lupe's scary because Lupe can fight with his hands, and he subscribes to the Second Amendment in a great way. And if the Second Amendment's taken away, he can get on his samurai. Yeah, he's got a. Yeah, you know, he's gonna survive, like, whatever. When we saw about if the ghosts, the aliens, or the zombies attack, Lupe is one of the people I would want to be, like, in the same neighborhood as. Yeah, I'm gonna get behind Lupe. He's gonna survive.

[Mal]

He's a good neighbor to have. If the zombies come back for sure. So you don't want to mess with somebody, like, on a downtime. They just doing, like, no samurai solos on ig. Like, I just don't think that's the guy. It's other rappers you can go at this. Cuddy probably can. Walupe can outwrap you. Yeah, he's probably gonna beat you. A Street Fighter 100. And then he. He knows how to swing a samurai, katana, whatever the you call it.

[Rory]

And I'm sure he's proficient in nunchucks, all of that. And you can, like, find anything and make it a nunchuck.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So, like, I'm. Yeah, yeah. You're just not someone.

[Mal]

Yeah, Leave Lupe alone, man.

[Rory]

You remember back when Lupe called in the old spot and mistaken me for somebody that said something about him?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

And I bitched up immediately. I was like, that was not me, Lupe. I am a. I am a fan.

[Mal]

I just.

[Rory]

You have me mistaken with another white person. I did not say a bad word about you. And now I'm terrified that I've been walking around this world not knowing I had beef with Lupe Fiasco. But we cleaned it up and it was the wrong person. Yeah, all white people look alike, so I don't fault him with that. Said after this, that's all I needed. Five minutes later, Lupe did what I do sometimes as well. Nah, fuck that. I need more than this. Biology. We gotta talk. And then for the next 24 hours, it was a bunch of Lupe tweets, which you've already quoted so far.

[Mal]

I wanted to beat this nigga up so bad. I'm getting a migraine. That's hilarious. That should be in a museum. Kid Cudi is a bitch and continues to be a bitch. Ain't nobody finna bring up. He used to work at the bape store to diss his bitch ass for having a regular job there before he was famous. And now he does an interview a couple days ago and says I'm mad at him because he used to hide from me at the bape store. I mean, the bape stores is funny before he was even in the music game because I would use it against him later on on a diss record, on some job. Shame. That's nasty work. Yeah, that's just. That's just weird to think that, man.

[Rory]

But then they went back and forth.

[Mal]

Of study saying, like, seriously, let's go a little. Let's just look a little deeper into that thinking, like, how. How insecure is Kid Cudi?

[Julian]

That's because he put himself.

[Rory]

Admittedly, it's musically evident.

[Mal]

Yeah. But it's like, bro, nobody but you cause more. You cause more problems by being that insecure than, like.

[Rory]

Well, it made his career.

[Mal]

I mean, it made some good music. It made some good music, but still, it's like, now it. You know what I'm saying? In real life, it transfers into relationships now with people where it's like, you thought that I would diss you later on for working at a base like, that was in your brain. So you manifested this energy that I may or may not have for you.

[Rory]

What are you gonna say?

[Julian]

Oh, I forgot. Mal off.

[Mal]

No, I'm just saying, like, think about how insecure that is.

[Rory]

Well, I mean, if you look at Cudi's history, it is not just with the good music example I was making. And I'm gonna really pitchfork a nerd out here. I remember when Cudi and Wale were like the next guys, before even Drake was the next guy, and they had beef.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And this is where I do have respect for Cudi in the way he talks about his mental illness and his insecurity, because I know he's actually telling the truth and not exploiting it. The mentally ill person is very tough to deal with.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Like, that's where I laugh that a lot of these singers and artists will do the mentally ill thing on a record. And then in person, you're not mentally ill. That's how I know you're exploiting it. You're. You're a joy to get along with in real life. And I respect Cudi now for this late into his career and his life having reflections of. I didn't handle things very well with a lot of people. And I also respect Lupe for being like, nah, I need more than just just an apology. I was tripping on Twitter.

[Mal]

I understand that.

[Rory]

And then they went into a whole exchange and then talk in real life.

[Mal]

Away from this timeline, social media, let's talk in real life. Let's get on the phone. Let's have a real conversation again. And I think that's, you know, it's okay for things to play out like that, but then privately, we also need to have a conversation as well, so I respect that.

[Damaris]

What I like from this exchange, when it got to the now better side of things, they'd had the phone call privately, like you said, but to close the chapter and to let the public know, because it's all started on the timeline he did detail. Hey, I was wrong. I apologize. My bad. So I like that, like, at least give the. You don't owe people an explanation, but it's nice to see that you came back here.

[Mal]

Accountability.

[Damaris]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mal]

Accountability changes everything in our culture, changes everything in our lives. If we just take accountability for the things that we do. And sometimes you get to a point where you might have to take accountability for things that you don't do. I've seen situations where it was like, that wasn't my fault, but you know what? My bad. I apologize.

[Rory]

Have Sean and Cudi ever deaded their beef? That would be one I would like to see. Same way I would love Lupe and Cuddy to make music together, I would love Sean and Cuddy to make music together again as well, because they. Yeah, they had it. Theirs is a little personal.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

So which, I mean, from the outside looking in, I'm not sure Sean did anything wrong.

[Mal]

But, you know, thinking about rap, beef and beef over the years in hip hop, like, you know, you get older, you start to think differently. And, like, you think like, yo did some beefs and some, you know, unfortunate events have to happen in order for the culture to grow, in order for other artists to, you know, become who they are and things like that. Like, it's a lot of things that happen that we don't. That I think we don't think about enough. Like, what if that doesn't happen? Like, what do we. If we don't lose Tupac or Biggie? Like, how much did that affect the culture, and how much did that allow for the culture to shift and grow?

[Rory]

I mean, that's a good question, but always, I. I don't want to, like, bring it into a hoe thing, but I always hate that. Yo, if. If Big didn't die, HOV wouldn't be where he's at. But, I mean, they did pass and things changed. So I don't even really understand the angle of that. That combo sometimes. Yeah, I'm sure things would have been drastically different if two superstars didn't die at 24 and 25. And also I look at Beefs where no one was killed. 50 in game, if they would have stayed together, I think they both would have had a longer run in the way they did at that time in their careers. Game went on to have an amazing discography. Obviously, 50 is the doing just fine, but I think the two of them together, we get a longer run music out of them in the Billboard charts, but we also got amazing disc records from them. So it's like, all right, does it matter?

[Mal]

But, you know, I mean, Jay and.

[Rory]

Nas, not much changed. It's great to see them together.

[Mal]

But I'm just saying, just think about just the Beef aspect, because we don't talk about enough.

[Rory]

I'm talking about rap beef, not.

[Mal]

I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, rap beef. I'm like, what. What happens if, like, how many years did we lose because of a Jay and Nas feud? How many years of great music from those two together did we lose? Because they were both at a younger age, you know, they were both experiencing different. Like, this was Jigga and Esko, this was Hov and Esco at that time.

[Rory]

Yeah, but how many moments do we lose? And I'll use them as an example because from my understanding, I don't know, I don't think anyone was harmed or passed away. Right. Some nasty things were said between each other. But look at the amazing moments we got out of. I'm okay with On Wax negativity. That's, you know, a battle. Look at the moments we got with Takeover, with Ether, with Super Ugly, with, like, other freestyles, the radio moments. We got Summer Jam, like, what could have been power 105 shit with NAS doing some insane things with a noose. But we got a bunch of great moments out of Beef. I think it's great when no one is harmed because we get great moments. Yeah, but I don't know if. I don't know if they don't have that beef that they ever get to become friends, because it's probably just a bunch of tension that was there before. We weren't going to work together. They were going to send subliminal shots. They never really get to this moment without that confrontation. So I don't think we get anything out of it. I think now we got a bunch of great moments with music and now they're friends because they finally had that confrontational moment.

[Julian]

Mal, I get your point, but I don't. I don't think any song that. That Hova Esco would have did at their Height when they were beefing. Any song that they would have did together wouldn't get quoted as much as leaving condoms on your baby car seat. Like, I don't think anything would have quoted as much as that. So I get like, no, no, no.

[Mal]

Hell no.

[Rory]

That's what gets quoted more. Chandam's on your baby seat. Or he was the son of my mother's friend on.

[Mal]

But I mean, you're gonna quote a beef lyric more anyway. That's just like you throwing a shot at somebody. Anytime somebody throws a shot, that's gonna be quoted more.

[Rory]

But I don't think we get the growth that Jay and Nas have between their relationship without the confrontation. Like, the moments were great. And I don't think you get the Art of War concert. That was the name of it. Or I Declare War concert where they ended up making peace, which was ironic, I guess, in entendre. I don't think you get what they did.

[Mal]

Black Republican.

[Rory]

No, that was before they did Black Republican. After this was the first time they were on stage.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I declare war.

[Rory]

Yeah. I don't think you. The growth, I think, does come out of confronting the tension that there is between two people. Like, they were sending shots from, you know, volume two and on I am, Nas was throwing shots. He might have been on street. Either way, it was going on for so long with all these little shots, and they weren't friends, they weren't making music. Finally they had a confrontation, and then after that, they had a real conversation and became friends. Like, this is stupid.

[Mal]

Yeah, you don't have.

[Rory]

Sometimes you don't have real conversations until you actually have the confrontation and have the all out.

[Mal]

Sometimes that breaks the ice.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Like, listen, we know. Like I'm saying, obviously, violence. It's obviously some tension here. It's obviously some women in common here. You know how that goes. I mean, you know how that goes. Like, that's usually. That's usually why artists have beef with each other. Yeah. If you just let niggas talk long enough, a girl name gonna pop up. Like, oh, there it is. That's why they don't fuck with each other. So it's good to see, you know, people or men or artists get older and move past certain things and become more mature. But sometimes I do sit back and think, like, it's a lot of shit that happens in our culture that I think, if it was avoided, if certain beefs were avoided, I think how many things would we have gotten if that was avoided?

[Rory]

I think we get Jay and Nas's Good. End story. Unfortunately. Because we got. I mean, of course, Big and Pac's thing was much different and a lot more things were attached to it. And maybe the ending really had nothing to do with their actual beef. But because of that, I think that was probably in the back of Jay and Nas's brains.

[Mal]

Yeah, they were very close to that shit.

[Rory]

And not only that, we live in the same city and our friends live in the same city, and we frequent the same spots. That could have gotten way worse than an East Coast, west coast beef. Like, we're in the same. We all go to this club in Manhattan.

[Mal]

I think that was a big part of the beef, too, though. It was like, we both from the same city. It can only be one king of New York.

[Rory]

Yeah. So, I mean, the shots that were taking at each other.

[Mal]

Yeah. But it's like. It's cool, but it just. It's just whack that it always has to be a beef, though. Like, we could be competitive. Hip hop is a competitive genre and an art form. But I just feel like it doesn't always have to go beef to be competitive.

[Rory]

Yeah. I also think. And I'm not being messy because she said it publicly. Carmen having a miscarriage with Jay's baby is crazy because, like, she would have Nas and Jay's baby.

[Julian]

Nazir.

[Rory]

They're fucking wild.

[Mal]

I mean, that's a.

[Rory]

That's a crazy Christmas.

[Julian]

Them child support payments.

[Mal]

Look where she go. She go right to the child support payments. What about being raised in the house of love? Yeah. Being a very artistic kid. Yeah. Just child support payments.

[Julian]

Nuclear family.

[Rory]

We've seen Nas and Jay both be great fathers.

[Julian]

Yes, but neither. It wouldn't be a nuclear family.

[Rory]

The Brady Bunched with Boom Bap.

[Mal]

Okay, that's sick. You think about it. That's sick.

[Rory]

Carmen's face in the middle.

[Julian]

Artwork alert.

[Mal]

Oh, man.

[Rory]

Doesn't Michelay have babies with Suge and Dr. Dre? That's got to be an interesting Christmas.

[Mal]

How do you. How do you know that?

[Rory]

How do you not know that? I watched the Michel A doc.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Or the series Surviving Compton or. Yeah.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory]

So Surviving Company.

[Julian]

I think it was Surviving.

[Mal]

Do they still have. Where are they now?

[Rory]

What do you mean?

[Julian]

I don't think so.

[Mal]

No, they don't do that no more. Wasn't that on, like, what channel was that on?

[Julian]

Were they MTV, if I'm not mistaken?

[Rory]

Or VH1?

[Mal]

Oh, not that one. VH1. VH1 is that. Where are they now?

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. I used to love that show.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, I missed that, man.

[Rory]

Click it. Which show was this again?

[Mal]

Well, they would talk about some artists from like the 90s, early 2000s.

[Damaris]

Oh yeah, it was like a nice little history.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

I remember this.

[Mal]

And they would just give you an update on where these artists are, what they're doing, you know, what they did after their big hit or their big album and things like that.

[Rory]

But in a VH one way. This would be hilarious if HBO did it. Yeah, like with artists that aren't doing.

[Damaris]

As great, but each one was themed, so it wasn't just music. It was like musicians, kid stars, bands, totally 80s. So it was like you focus on an era and then get the history of it and see where the people that were leading that are most of them were dead.

[Rory]

I mean, you know.

[Mal]

Oh, thank you, thank you.

[Damaris]

Wow.

[Julian]

They're gonna do. I can't wait till they do the podcast one. 20 years from now.

[Rory]

Look where she's trying to put us.

[Mal]

20 years from now.

[Rory]

What? He's trying to suggest we'd be dead.

[Julian]

No, okay. I didn't suggest that. I was just.

[Rory]

That was the theme of the show though.

[Mal]

Not all the artists weren't dead.

[Julian]

Are you good?

[Mal]

All the artists weren't dead.

[Rory]

Anyways. Do we have voicemails?

[Damaris]

We do. I wanted to start today that we haven't done this before. I think it'd be interesting. So we had that really great call in about the father who is nervous about being empathetic and loving to his son, his 11 year old son. So we had another gentleman call in that's also from Michigan and he wanted to give that guy advice and add to that conversation. So I figured I'd play this first. We'd probably end up talking a little bit about it and then I have a whole new voicemail. But this seemed like a fun tie in.

[Mal]

Hello, my name is Joshua. I'm from North Carolina. Sorry, not a question, but I'm more so calling in reference to Bobby from North Carolina who submitted a voicemail. I just kind of wanted to respond to it and just tell him that, like, I know how he feels. I'm a young father as well. My son's only 2, and there's a lot that I had to learn and it's kind of that in today's modern world you're. You're not going to be able to get by with just protecting and providing. You are going to have to show your son a lot of affection, especially early on. And you can temper that affection as he gets older and it's time for him to more so learn things about being a man. But while he's a kid, you. You do need to show him that aff. Because he needs to have that trust built up in you. That's just how kids are. They are going to receive things different than we are. With our adult, logical thinking brain. Kids are not going to receive things the same way. Even if you guys don't share this on the podcast, I do hope you share it with Bobby because I would really like for him and his son to just have the best relationship that they can going forward. All right. God bless.

[Rory]

Oh, that sounds nice.

[Damaris]

Very nice.

[Rory]

From a potential red state as well. Like, yeah, that was nice to hear that he cares about men's.

[Mal]

Sounds like he was on his John Deere. Get ready to go and tend to the. Tend to the grass.

[Rory]

He didn't really tell you how to do that though.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, he's just saying like, do. It was more of an encouragement rather than. Are you saying you're do the right.

[Mal]

It wasn't a tutorial.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, I. The other gentleman was nervous to even do it, let alone how to do that.

[Mal]

Well, that's probably because he didn't have that in his life. Well, I think he said that right growing up. He wasn't.

[Rory]

Yeah. So, I mean, Josh needs to give us some answers.

[Julian]

Rory's like, hey, you didn't really answer.

[Mal]

Putting this all on Josh.

[Rory]

Me and the other gentlemen were nervous about that.

[Mal]

Listen, raise your kids with love. Simple. Love your kids, raise them in love.

[Julian]

Raise them, love people. A lot of people don't know how to love as an action. They only know love is an emotion. A lot of people do not know how to actively like love.

[Mal]

You'll think you'll figure it out. You will. As long as you love your kids, I think.

[Damaris]

So you're saying this caller didn't give it by Mall's advice? You'll figure it out.

[Mal]

I know.

[Rory]

I'm just saying, calling to say I don't know how to figure this out.

[Mal]

No, like, perfect, perfect. Here's a perfect example. Perfect example. He wasn't. He wasn't.

[Rory]

He.

[Mal]

He wasn't raised and only child. I mean, well, I think he was raised in love, but he feels like maybe there was some things that he missed out on. Now with his daughter that doesn't transfer to his daughter.

[Rory]

But love, if you remember the voicemail.

[Mal]

First time, father doesn't really know what he's doing. He's figuring it out because he loves his Daughter.

[Rory]

And my response to the original voicemail, not this gentleman's, was, I was also thinking, if I have a son, how to have the same love that I have for Amara. Because of how we were raised in the era we were raised in, I may have a different viewpoint, which is fucked up and unnecessary, that I may not give my son the same amount of love based off that stupid misogynist thought that we need to raise our sons as men and they don't get as much affection and love. So I agreed with the last guy. It's a nerve, nerve wracking feeling. That's why I kept saying to y'all before Amara was born, I want a daughter first. Outside of the selfish reason that daughters take care of their fathers and sons just tell their fathers to off and.

[Mal]

You know, send you to the nursing.

[Rory]

Home, you'll be all right.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I also thought that because of how I was raised, and maybe not some of the most healthy ways that I would probably adjust to loving a daughter, that I would to a son, I may be a little harsher to a son, which I don't want to do, but I am self aware of how I was raised. I don't.

[Mal]

I don't think so. I think. I think you'll be just as loving and soft with your son as you.

[Rory]

I do too, and I have confidence in it, but it still is a thought in the back of your head. Like, I understood the last voicemail before, when he was saying he was a little nervous about it. Like, it's not the same as having a daughter.

[Mal]

I think it's little things, like if your daughter falls and, like hits her knee, like, you jump up quicker and kind of run to them. But if it's your son, you kind of peek at him and watch how.

[Rory]

He'S gonna, like, that's kind of what we're talking about on small scale.

[Mal]

But still love and encourage your son, but it's not the same, like, handle with delicacy as you would with your daughter. Like, you're very delicate with your daughter. And, you know, even when she's not just a child anymore, you're still, like, very soft with her. And then you get to a point with your son where it's like you wanted to see how he would problem solve or how he would figure out whatever.

[Rory]

You know, the other side of being raised in a misogynistic society is that very thing that our sons sometimes don't get as much attention because we figured they just have to figure that shit out. Well, some people bring A man figure that shit out when they're like, hey, I kind of need some, some parenting here.

[Mal]

But I've seen a lot of fathers on like, social media where they train their daughters, like, and like, you know, treat them like, give them the same treatment they would give their son. They're doing healthy sports, boxing, all of these things. Very physical, very athletic, very like, you know, they encourage that too. Like, teach them how to, like, handle themselves, how to do things like with cars, how to change a tire. Like a lot of women always say, my dad taught me how to change a tire, how to do things with a car and things like that. Like, I think that's great too. Women should know how to do those things.

[Damaris]

Yeah. But to the original car's point and even this follow up point, I don't think it's so much about the physical skill building per se. I think he's just talking about, yeah, the, the affection and empathy you have for their emotions.

[Mal]

Love your kids, hug your kids, kiss your boy.

[Damaris]

Like, there is no playbook. But you need to be the person that's saying the things and being vocal with your child. So I think it helps when people call in like, yo, bro, I'm doing the same thing and I'm trying as well. So I know it's not like he didn't give like the best advice, but he's like, yeah, you're not alone.

[Mal]

I think love lead the way.

[Rory]

Ah, I didn't think of it though.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah, well, shoot, we can, we can cut all that. Just play that part. Let love leave the way.

[Mal]

Let love lead the way. You'll figure it out.

[Damaris]

All right, speaking of love, we have a classic tale. I think the Maris can carry the answer on this next one. It's about love from high school and seeing it through 10 years down the line.

[Rory]

Oh, you Christ.

[Damaris]

There you go.

[Mal]

What's going on, guys? All right, I gotta fit this in real quick. Pause. So, thank you. I knew this girl back in high school and we were super cool. We dated, talked or whatever for a short period of time. Fast forward.

[Damaris]

I'm 31 years old.

[Mal]

My best friend moves in with his girlfriend. And his girlfriend's best friend also happens to be the girl who I was referring to, who I knew back in high school. So we all hung out and I hadn't seen her in years, 13, 14 years. I haven't seen her in so long. And you know, like I said, we.

[Damaris]

Got along so well back in the day.

[Mal]

And you know, even when we met up this time, like, nothing Changed. Like, I felt like she got on my jokes, she understood my humor. Now what I'm thinking is that I.

[Damaris]

Should just play, like, the slow game.

[Mal]

And just tell the homie and be like, yo. Like, let's all, like, kick it again. Like, no pressure. Like, I don't want to be like, yo, hey.

[Damaris]

Like, is she single?

[Mal]

Like, you know, type. I just kind of want to play the slow game and then just, like, letting things naturally happen. I'd love to get everybody's perspective, you know? Julian, Rory, Damaris, small it, even yomi. But, yeah, I'd appreciate you guys and thank you so much for. For creating good content every week. Thank you so much. Take care. Thank you, Damien, for that voicemail.

[Rory]

Just quick immature point before we get to the real thing. Is he sure that his. His homie's not knocking it down?

[Damaris]

What? It's his.

[Julian]

It's his girlfriend's best friend.

[Rory]

Okay, cool. Still asking.

[Damaris]

Rory.

[Rory]

They moved in together, right?

[Julian]

He moved in with his girlfriend.

[Rory]

We were just talking about off microphone that you guys accidentally eat pussy with your friends.

[Damaris]

Whoa. Oh, you're talking to Damaris.

[Rory]

Okay, that was directed at Damaris.

[Damaris]

You're looking at guys. Yeah, yeah, you did say that.

[Julian]

Well, I.

[Damaris]

Okay, you did.

[Julian]

I'm looking for your point. I'm looking for you to drive it home.

[Rory]

Oh, I don't have a point. I'm just asking if, like, maybe someone else is her.

[Julian]

Okay. That might be possible.

[Mal]

Well, I'm sure somebody. I'm sure she's having sex with somebody.

[Rory]

But, like, his point wasn't she brought into the circle by his other friends?

[Julian]

He was bought into the circle. They have. Oh, Jesus. His best friend has a girlfriend. The girlfriend's best friend is the girl from high school.

[Rory]

Cool. I said immature.

[Mal]

And I'm sure she's having sex with some guy or girl in the world.

[Julian]

I'm sure what she's doing with her doesn't matter.

[Rory]

That doesn't matter.

[Mal]

It matters when I start doing something with it, though.

[Julian]

He's. He's not even there yet, Mom.

[Mal]

Well, he's trying to get there. That's why he's leaving a voicemail. He's trying to figure out, yo, how do I get to the next. Listen, man, just tell. Let it be known, man, don't play the slow game, because then you slow. And then she start dating somebody else.

[Julian]

Or play the slow game. This is why. This is why.

[Rory]

Well, do you think he beat first in high school?

[Julian]

I don't think so.

[Mal]

Nah, he ain't. He not acting. He's not acting like he saw her naked before. Because when you saw a girl naked before y'all had sex, you ain't moving like this.

[Rory]

They were.

[Julian]

Well, in high school.

[Mal]

Even when I was in high school, if. If I had sex with a girl in high school, and now that we're adults, you think that I would be like, yo, like, should I play the slow, slow game?

[Damaris]

You know how much can happen in 13 years?

[Mal]

It don't matter. Like, we've already crossed that threshold.

[Julian]

Yeah. Yes, it does, man.

[Mal]

No, it does. If we had sex, you don't think.

[Rory]

She changed in 14 years?

[Mal]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm not going to be like, yo, should I play the slow game?

[Rory]

Yeah, but just because.

[Julian]

I'm not saying I don't know her.

[Rory]

You don't know her at all for.

[Mal]

A decade ago, bro. I understand that. Y'all keep saying the same. What I'm saying is. I'm not saying you go right at him like, yo, what's good? I'm trying to fuck again. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm not gonna be calling a podcast.

[Rory]

Remember Chemistry?

[Mal]

Like, yo, what do you think I should do? Should I play the slow.

[Julian]

I'm not gonna call her.

[Mal]

I know her. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna talk to her like, yo, like, what's going on? What's going on? What's new in your life? How you been? It's no calling, asking, should I play the slow game? I know this girl. We had sex before. Like, I'm not playing. You don't have to play the slow game with somebody you had sex before. Now. You don't just try to ram it in her again. Like, no, but you definitely be like, yo, should I play the slow game? And like, hey, no, no.

[Damaris]

Let's hear. Okay, so Damaris doesn't agree. Please let her.

[Julian]

Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

I want to get back to that point, though. Go ahead.

[Julian]

I do think that you should play the slow game in this. I think that you should ask your homeboy if she's dating anybody, because your homeboy is probably going to keep that to himself or where he might have a conversation with his girl, whatever. But I do think that, you know, you should find out if she is dating anybody, which, honestly, that doesn't. Unless she has a boyfriend. That doesn't matter, because what I don't want to happen, because she is a completely different person than she was 14 years ago. So you might still be on that type of the time. But she.

[Mal]

What if she ain't though? Because we don't never talk about how a lot of y'all don't it be the same person, right or wrong. You never beat a girl you went to high school with. You ain't seeing him 50. You be like, yo, you. You still on that. You still the same chick. Like that happens.

[Rory]

He seems like a reasonable guy. I don't think if she was the same person he'd be wanting to pursue. Seems like they. How did rekindled. He was like, oh, you turned out to be a pretty cool person.

[Mal]

How did you get that from a minute and 28 second voicemail?

[Julian]

Because he said it seems reasonable.

[Mal]

He said that she wasn't the same girl since high school.

[Julian]

He's no. But he said no.

[Damaris]

He's saying he liked her then and he still likes her.

[Rory]

Oh, she gets my humor. And like, yeah, like after their. Their rekindling of seeing each other again, he got to know her again. Because who. It's high school. Okay, so is it 14 years later, you are not the same person.

[Mal]

Okay, so is it safe to assume that a lot of things about are still the same because he's still attracted to her? She might still be cool.

[Julian]

People's personalities usually don't change.

[Rory]

Some do.

[Julian]

Some sometimes. But your personality usually does not. You do not go from being a bubbly.

[Mal]

See, now you. You saying what I'm saying. Cause it happens.

[Julian]

A lot of traumatic shit happen.

[Mal]

It happens. Your personality changes from high school or sometimes it doesn't. That's all I was saying.

[Julian]

Yeah, sometimes it doesn't. But I just feel like people's personality is their personality. If you are a bubbly, funny person, you're usually. You usually continue to be a bubbly, funny person. You might not be as bubbly. You might not be as optimistic. Your worldview might change. But I. When you were in elementary school, elementary.

[Mal]

School, middle school, that's all I was waiting on. I was waiting for the elementary.

[Rory]

He didn't say anything, so I was.

[Mal]

Trying to get you to do it. Go to the military one time for us, baby.

[Julian]

Side note, my. I was getting my eyebrows waxed on camera when I was up in Syracuse, and my waxer was talking about her daughter and she said elementary. And all the fans are like, oh, my God, this is really a Syracuse thing. Like, even the girl said it. But yeah, anyway, I knew you were an ass. You an your whole entire life, you were pretentious. Your entire life. That did not. I can see it Develop that.

[Mal]

That is not true.

[Rory]

All right. When did you become pretentious?

[Damaris]

First of all, I'm not pretentious. We're not gonna do that.

[Mal]

We not. No, we not gonna do that. We not gonna. You own a Chris angel mind freak book personally.

[Damaris]

How does that pretend that's actually you?

[Rory]

Probably.

[Damaris]

That's dirtbag. That's not pretentious.

[Mal]

I just wanted to get that off. My bad. I'm sorry.

[Rory]

You buy matches instead of lighting. You're pretentious.

[Damaris]

How's that pretentious? I like older things. Things.

[Mal]

Okay. Except for women, but I get it.

[Damaris]

I like older women.

[Mal]

Do you?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean.

[Julian]

Yeah. Take your time.

[Damaris]

I had a nil phase, but that's.

[Mal]

Probably because that was your favorite category on Brazer, so you probably just.

[Damaris]

I was like, 22, and they were probably 40, mid-40s.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Okay. What I was trying to tell him is ask if she's single from her homeboy. Take it slow with her, because she might not look at you the same way. I know me, myself, there's plenty of men that I'm cool with or whatever that I might have had something with in high school. I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole. We could be cool. We could be really cool. But just please do not remind me that we slept together, that we were ever dating. Like, it's embarrassing. So I don't know if she feels that way.

[Mal]

You don't want to. Wait, wait, wait. So if you slept with a guy, high school, you see him, you don't want him to remind you that y'all slept together?

[Damaris]

No. What do you want to be, like, 15 years later? Remember that one night when we espresso.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Damaris]

That's nuts.

[Rory]

Remember we were going through puberty and trying to figure out our bodies?

[Damaris]

Remember when I fingered you and cried? No.

[Rory]

So I try to forget about those things.

[Mal]

Okay, so you met a girl, you was dating a girl in high school. You see her now as a grown man, you see her. You telling me this has never happened? Y'all have never spoken about when y'all used to.

[Rory]

I see her as a grown man.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

And I think she had a transition.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You're the grown man. Okay, so you see her now.

[Rory]

Clearly, I'm not now.

[Mal]

I was gonna say.

[Julian]

No, he isn't.

[Mal]

You see her now? You mean to tell me, like, like. Yeah. And y'all with each other in high school, that doesn't come.

[Damaris]

I think it's an unspoken thing. I think you both obviously know your history. But I think if it's been 15 years, you start with, hey, you reminisce on certain things, but you're not. Like, remember when I beat? No. Like, why would that come.

[Rory]

That would make. That would make me 32. If we graduated at 18, 14 years later, 32 years old. If I see a girl I went to high school with. I'm not talking about when I beat. When I was a junior.

[Damaris]

Yeah, in like, 2008.

[Rory]

Like, not at all.

[Damaris]

It's weird.

[Mal]

I think it's weird that y'all don't talk about it.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

If we want to fuck again, it.

[Julian]

May come up, actually.

[Mal]

But I'm saying I'm not. Why do you keep saying. When it comes up in the conversation? I'm asking y'all, does it ever come up at all in the conversation? No, I'm not saying as soon as you send a. Yo, remember I fucked you that summer in 9, 8 or 2003? That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, does it come up at any point in the fucking conversation? No. I know I'm the oldest one in this room, but why? Why the fuck are y'all acting so stupid? What the fuck is wrong with y'all?

[Rory]

Wait, in the scenario, you had sex.

[Mal]

Why would it not come up? What the fuck are you talking about?

[Rory]

It was four of them, five of them hanging out. I'm gonna be that. I'm gonna be that weirdo. When we're all just chilling at the kickback. Yo, just let y'all know we used to fuck when we were teenagers.

[Mal]

That's weird. I didn't say it had to come up like that. I'm talking about if you and her having a conversation that doesn't come up at all to me. That's weird. No, that y'all had sex before and now y'all see each other getting life. Not saying it has to come up as soon as you see it. Yo, yo, Sarah, remember I fucked you that night? It's not what I'm saying.

[Damaris]

Keep Sarah out of it.

[Rory]

Why is me. Yeah, why is we.

[Mal]

Sarah. Any fucking name. Yo, Crystal. Yo.

[Rory]

Remember?

[Mal]

Yo, remember the bathroom? Yellow Staircase? You suck me. I'm not saying that. I'm saying at any point, Crystal, if you see somebody you went to high school with that you had a sexual relationship with, as an adult, that doesn't come up in conversation, at some point.

[Rory]

In the first convo of not seeing someone in 14 years, I probably would have a lot more high school reminiscing.

[Mal]

Why do you Keep putting the time stamp on when you bring it up.

[Rory]

They've only had one conversation.

[Mal]

I understand that. But now with the conversation that's progressing, I'm asking y'all, at any point, if you see somebody that you had sex with before in high school, does the conversation come up again?

[Rory]

I think if it goes well and it's comfortable for the next few combos, yeah. Yeah, maybe.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

I'm just like, no, that's weird.

[Rory]

But I also wouldn't even know how.

[Mal]

To bring that girl and not talk about it.

[Rory]

I just let you know I've gotten a lot better. Like, what would I even say?

[Julian]

Unless I.

[Mal]

But that's natural.

[Julian]

Again, I'm not bringing that up unless I want to fuck you again. I do not want that brought up. Please do not remind me that we used. Like, I want to cringe like anybody. I. Because maybe it's because I'm a girl, but, like, girls look back and who they used to sleep with when they were younger, it's like, cringe, like, disgusting. Like, I want.

[Mal]

Because girls that I fucked in high school bring it up to me that we fucked before.

[Rory]

That's.

[Julian]

Cause you're rich now.

[Mal]

Mom got nothing to do with that. This ain't got nothing to do with that. I'm talking. This is years. Years.

[Rory]

But when you're big eight, we know you're an eight.

[Mal]

Fuck all that. It's a natural thing to do it. You don't sweep it under, act like it never. That's. To me, that's weird. Acting like it never now again. It doesn't have to come up as soon as you see this girl. I'm just saying at some point, if y'all reconnect and start kicking it again, just like on some regular conversation, it's natural for that to be.

[Julian]

So you're telling me there's nobody.

[Rory]

You.

[Julian]

When you was in high school, that you embarrassed that you. Him. There's nobody.

[Mal]

Of course it is.

[Julian]

But there's also 15 years ago that you embarrassed that.

[Mal]

Of course it is. But what I'm saying is also some. That I'm not.

[Julian]

Okay, but what I'm saying is you're acting like it's. It's just beyond you to think that somebody would want to forget that they fucked somebody.

[Mal]

I'm not. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I'm asking you if you see somebody whether it was great, whether it wasn't. I'm saying, is it not. Is it not natural for. If y'all reconnect at some point during that conversation of y'all like reconnecting again for that to come, Whether she brings it up or you bring it up. That's a natural thing to me, yes.

[Julian]

If they want to fuck again. What I'm trying to.

[Mal]

Even if they don't want to fuck.

[Rory]

Again, it's not our first priority. We're not saying it can't come up. It's just not a priority.

[Mal]

Cool. I'm with you on that. We agreeing on that one. All I'm saying is it is natural for it to. To come up in conversation again. There's girls that I slept with in high school that I don't want to sleep with now, but they've brought it up in conversation like Cuz they're not.

[Julian]

Embarrassed that they slept with you.

[Mal]

Right, but I'm. Right, but what I'm saying is it happens. Y'all was trying to make it seem like to me that it. That doesn't. That's weird.

[Damaris]

But in his case, it seems like he's trying to do like group hangs. And I think just let him know.

[Mal]

He'S trying to do more group hangs.

[Julian]

But he's trying to my point and what I was trying.

[Damaris]

He's trying to be.

[Mal]

You could be against stand a gentleman.

[Julian]

There is a chance that she is embarrassed that she used to with him. So don't bring it up because you don't know how she feels about it. That's why I said take the slow game. Cuz he's like, oh, I want the chance. I want the chance. And you definitely should reach for that chance.

[Mal]

No, but he's so.

[Rory]

He also. He also changed this because we all said we don't think he beat. He just said they talked.

[Julian]

Even still she might be embarrassed that she talked to you.

[Rory]

You can't be embarrassed if you talk to somebody in high school.

[Mal]

You care.

[Rory]

I'm embarrassed to start. Girls I slept with in high school, but a girl that I talked to, like flirted with. I have no embarrassment at all.

[Julian]

Some have my phone number.

[Damaris]

Oh, see, come on.

[Julian]

I'm. I am.

[Damaris]

Stop.

[Mal]

And it's probably something that's embarrassing.

[Rory]

Crazy. There's so many girls.

[Mal]

I don't shoot B. I'm here to. I'm here to shoot B. It's some in Syracuse that's like, yo, I used to talk to Shorty. Yeah, I'm sure there's some. Hey, all my in the queues. All my that go to. Oh, what's the school up there?

[Julian]

Find.

[Mal]

No, the other one.

[Julian]

Find them lemoyne, I will pay you and them find them.

[Rory]

Start a Facebook group. That's. I just feel like everyone in Syracuse is on Facebook.

[Julian]

Yeah, they are, actually. Very actively.

[Rory]

Also. I. I don't want to on him, but how did you not get that question off in the regular catch up conversation? What you been up to? Like, oh, you married? Like what? That's a catch up conversation?

[Damaris]

Oh, you married?

[Rory]

You got kids? You got, like, what's going on in your life?

[Mal]

The marriage, acting like you haven't seen.

[Rory]

Each other in 14 years. How did he not get this info right away?

[Mal]

The marriage, acting like some niggas in Corcoran. You ain't knock some niggas down in Corcoran.

[Damaris]

That's why you looked it up?

[Rory]

I would have never guessed if that's what you were looking for. I would have never guessed it.

[Julian]

Look up my high school.

[Mal]

Wait, you went to Corcoran for real?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Mal]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Rory]

How do you know that?

[Mal]

My homeboys went to Corcoran. I got some people that went to Corcoran. I just didn't remember. I just didn't remember my homeboys that went to Q. All right, never mind.

[Rory]

I'm not Vlad. I'm not Vlad.

[Mal]

No, I'm not Vlad. They live in New York now. They live in the city. Okay.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. A lot of people from you went.

[Mal]

To Corcoran for real? Oh, that's fire.

[Damaris]

There's 1200 students there.

[Mal]

So you think there's definitely some in Corcoran. That's tight. They used to fuck the masks out in Corcoran.

[Julian]

I wasn't people in Corcoran.

[Mal]

Oh, then they really tight. How you ain't giving no in the school no pussy. Like, that's whack. Like, when a girl in your school that you like ain't giving you pussy, but it's niggas at the school down the block and she niggas is hitting that. If the pretty girl go to my school and I'm trying to holler at her and she ain't giving me no rhythm, but it's some nigga that go to, like, rival high school, then go to that fucking high school, then why don't you transfer?

[Damaris]

You got to transfer. So then she'll hit.

[Rory]

That's hate. Because I always felt like dirty Mac and hating.

[Mal]

Well, if it's hate, it's hating. Fuck it. I'll wear that.

[Damaris]

Then I'm a hater.

[Mal]

Yeah, get the fuck. The pretty girl in school and she giving niggas from the Rival high school Nah, bro, you gotta go, shorty. Transfer pretty transfer is crazy yeah, transfer get up out of here.

[Rory]

Pretty girls and projects wouldn't us if we talk too much they went up.

[Mal]

To Tompkins so them dudes with trust I don't know what the fuck they thought. Them niggas look foul just like us.

[Rory]

That's hate.

[Mal]

So be.

[Rory]

That's dirty mackin.

[Mal]

But it's also facts, though. Can hate. Can. Can facts be hate? Maybe, sure, maybe, sure, maybe I'm here to give you that, my brother. Maybe. But it's facts, though. I don't know what the fuck she thought. Them niggas live foul just like us.

[Damaris]

There's also that thing in high school where it's cool too, because every girl.

[Rory]

Looked prettier that didn't go to your high school.

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Rory]

All the dudes lusted over the chicks that went to Europe.

[Damaris]

The people you see in the hallway every day, it's like, all right, like, I see this person every day. But the person you catch once every time, the football, the. The cheerleading squad from the other schools in town, once a quarter, you're like, that's the hottest girl I've ever seen. But then if you saw every day, just be like, oh, that's so and so.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No, it's a girl I used to see every day. She was never whacked me. That looked good every day. Every day the used to come and pick up in the Honda hatchback.

[Julian]

No, man, I wanted to.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna. I wanted to pop on that. I ain't gonna lie, yo. Like, I ain't like that. And I don't even know him. That was hate.

[Rory]

There was the other side to that coin, though.

[Damaris]

That was a.

[Mal]

That was. Hey, I'm. See, you could be real with the hate. Like, I. I don't. I didn't like him, but I don't know him. So that's hate, like, you know what I'm saying? But I just. He had the prettiest girl in the school. He was a little older. He had a little Honda hatchback and all that. Nice system and all that. I ain't like that nigga.

[Rory]

There's the opposite of what Damaris did, though. Wouldn't give anyone pussy at her school and fuck with other dudes. There's the girl that gave everybody pussy at your school and then started going to other schools. And then anytime other schools were in the same vicinity, we would all laugh at the dude that wifed the girl. Cause he didn't know. He just thought it was a girl from another school that was pretty. Like, listen, man.

[Mal]

Yeah. You don't know what she's doing over there.

[Rory]

She went over to that school for a reason.

[Mal]

Burnt out over here.

[Julian]

Yep.

[Mal]

It happens, Baby D. It happens. That's all I'm saying. It's fucked up. I know. Some things we shouldn't have did as kids, but it happens.

[Rory]

I'm saying to close this. Did he say his name?

[Damaris]

Damien.

[Rory]

All right, Damian.

[Julian]

Damien.

[Rory]

You don't need to gossip with your homeboy if she's single. What's going on? Next time you hang out with her, just catch up some more and ask her straight up questions. When I run into people I haven't seen in 14 years, I tend to ask, even if I'm in a relationship, what's been going on with you? Are you married? Do you have kids? Your relationship, like, what have you been doing? Like, what's going on? That's not weird to ask somebody.

[Mal]

No, he could have just got that.

[Damaris]

Off and do the group hangs. Because it sounds like you got a good thing with this crew. And then after a few of those, maybe. Yeah. If you're reading. Reading the room, right? Do a little one on one.

[Julian]

Yeah. Just don't scare away, because she might just, like, really look at you like a friend and, like, just want to be your friend again and is happy to be around you. And then once she knows that you still like her, it's like. Like, you know, like, it throws off the vibe.

[Rory]

You think he likes her?

[Mal]

Do you think he throw off the vibe? Damaris, why would it throw. What if it. Okay, cool. That may be true, but what if she's really like, yo, it's about time you said, like.

[Julian]

But I said that that's a possibility. I just said take it slow. Because if she doesn't feel that way, it will fuck up the vibe.

[Rory]

That's all I said.

[Julian]

It's a chance.

[Mal]

Yo, Damian, check this out.

[Julian]

I want them to end up together.

[Mal]

Yo, Damien.

[Julian]

I want them to have the happily ever after.

[Mal]

Listen, I'm gonna help Damien. Yo, Damian, listen, man. Go get, go get. Listen, go get your best haircut, all right?

[Rory]

What if he's bald?

[Mal]

Make sure that you're pretty.

[Damaris]

Privilege again, Ma.

[Mal]

Put that. Put. Put coconut oil on your scalp, nigga. Make sure that shit shining like MJ in game 6 when you walk in that motherfucker, right? Put on your best outfit. Go to the mall. Be like, yo, listen, give me your best cologne, right? Put your shit on. Get your shit together. Make sure you run into you. You can find out where they gonna be at. Your boy's girlfriend is her best friend. You can find out where they get ready to go this weekend to hang.

[Damaris]

Out, get the drop.

[Mal]

Woke up in there. Step right to her.

[Rory]

You know what would be cute?

[Mal]

What?

[Rory]

If he made her a mixtape of the best songs of their senior year and, like, gave it to her at the. At the kickback.

[Mal]

Nah, that's good.

[Rory]

Like, put this. The sharpie, and wrote it on the blank disc.

[Mal]

No, that's gay.

[Rory]

Okay, that's nice, Mom.

[Damaris]

What else should he do?

[Rory]

Or maybe. All right, a Spotify playlist.

[Damaris]

He gets the cologne. He pulls up on them, and then.

[Mal]

What he pulls on. He stepped right to her, like, yo, listen, I'm not playing this game with you no more. It's been 14 years. How. It's been long since we seen 14. I'm not trying to lose you again. Listen, are you seeing somebody cool? How serious is it? Cause I'm feeling you. I've been feeling you for years. Like, I'm trying to, like, just saw.

[Rory]

Her for the first half. 14 years.

[Mal]

Fuck that.

[Julian]

We can fight, man.

[Mal]

Damian, step to your business, man. Women love men that are confident, assertive, not aggressive. Cause there's a difference between assertive and aggressive. Be assertive. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, just step to it. I don't know. Act like, you know, I understand some years have changed, and people. Years have passed. People change. But you know her, man. Y'all went to high school together. You know her.

[Julian]

You don't know.

[Rory]

He may also.

[Mal]

You know her in here. Here. Not this. Not the aesthetics that have changed. No, you don't know that person. But you know her at her core. Like, we went to high school together. I know this girl. Like, we was cool.

[Rory]

He could be driven by two things. If he beat, he wants another shot. He's 14 years have passed. He's about to lay it down now.

[Damaris]

Or I don't think he's.

[Rory]

He's driven by. It's the pussy that got away that he never got. Like, it's nostalgic pussy that he never got.

[Mal]

Cause Damian.

[Rory]

And he wants to just.

[Mal]

Let me tell you something.

[Rory]

It could be driven by that.

[Mal]

It could be driven by that. But then you get it, and it's not what you thought. You're gonna be heartbroken. Yeah. Damn. All these years, I thought I made a mistake. This played over in my head. I thought this was gonna be the greatest experience ever. It's not.

[Rory]

So just be confident.

[Mal]

Yeah. Be Confident, be assertive, and, you know, have fun with an old friend.

[Damaris]

Have you ever closed the loop on a friend like that, somebody you haven't seen and say, like, at least 10 years time from high school or college or whatever, and you got the chance to get in there and it wasn't it?

[Mal]

Yeah, I think I told you about that before.

[Damaris]

Sucks.

[Rory]

There was one girl right, when I, like, kind of sort of got kicked out of college that I saw from high school, and I had a point to prove because I thought I, you know, didn't deliver in high school.

[Mal]

So what'd you do?

[Rory]

Like, we.

[Mal]

Okay. How was it?

[Rory]

It was good that time. And then I felt, like, really shitty because I realized that I did that just to prove that insecurities. Cuddy understands.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

That's common, though.

[Rory]

It's. I think it's very common.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

To have what? Insecurities.

[Rory]

After sex, if you don't perform to your best abilities. You want to prove that that was a fluke.

[Damaris]

Your fluke game.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, I'm better than that. Give me another shot.

[Julian]

I feel like girls do that too. I feel like all humans feel that way.

[Mal]

How does a girl not perform? Yeah, I don't understand that.

[Damaris]

Just open.

[Julian]

There's multiple things that could go. Something wrong with the wise. There's multiple things that could happen.

[Mal]

Like what?

[Julian]

Like if you're too drunk.

[Mal]

Oh, I don't want no drunk.

[Julian]

Well, sometimes y'all both drunk, period. So it's not like, you know, she's like, drunk, like, falling out, but just like, drunk to the point where your equilibrium is off. So you can't. Like, really. It's very hard to throw ass back when your equilibrium is off or to, oh, God forbid, rye dick when your brain is not working and you're like. It's like very.

[Damaris]

It's like the bullet saddle edge.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's very.

[Mal]

That's when you're doing too much. Just lay on. Lay on your side.

[Rory]

You've never slept with a girl on the first time. Like, she was reserved, and then she got more comfortable with you and let her freak flag fly.

[Julian]

The chemistry could be.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah.

[Rory]

But I mean, she came back, was like, you know, she doesn't give it up that way on the first go round.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that's happened. But, I mean, it wasn't whack. Like, I had a great time. Like, maybe she didn't. She, like, arched it a little better and, you know, she got a little freakier with the head and all of that. Like, got a little nastier like, yeah, that happens. But I can't remember having, like, too much sex where it was like, oh, that was trash.

[Julian]

No, not like that. I'm not talking about, like, trash. I'm just talking about, like, you. Like, oh, okay. Like, after work.

[Mal]

It's happened, but not over.

[Julian]

Cool. Like, no, no, no, no, no. You can't. If I feel like you're not madly in love with me after sex, we gotta do this over. We gotta do this over.

[Mal]

Yo, who do you think you are?

[Rory]

That's not healthy, yo.

[Mal]

Who did you.

[Rory]

That's really unhealthy, yo.

[Mal]

No, answer my question before you answer his question. Who do you think you are?

[Julian]

I'm that nigga. How is that not healthy?

[Mal]

Listen, I respect.

[Rory]

Is that someone you want to be in love with or just have that ego boost that they are in love with you now and you're fucking them again just so you get that ego boost you didn't get before? You're just as bad as Julia.

[Damaris]

That's. I was. Whoa. That's way worse than me.

[Julian]

Hold on. I'm referring to younger, obviously. Like when you're. You know, when you're 19, 20, 21. Yes, it is an ego thing. Thing. It is an ego thing.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Rory]

I mean, I just said I had a go boost when, you know, I was in college and got. Got the high school. Yeah. A lot back and did it better.

[Julian]

A lot of the sex I had when I was younger was a ego thing for sure.

[Mal]

So most of it is.

[Rory]

I think this Damien is a little bit of ego.

[Mal]

No, I mean, might. You might really like her.

[Julian]

No, he might.

[Damaris]

It sounds like he has pure intentions.

[Julian]

This is what's.

[Damaris]

It's a little bit.

[Rory]

But we've. Sometimes we all think we have pure intentions, and then we're like, oh, this was just.

[Damaris]

You're right, though. It could be. I think the ego's driving because he's like. He's doing that. He's looking into the past kind of thing, like Damien.

[Julian]

So you're telling me that this your homeboy's girlfriend? This is her best friend. Have you been. Have you really been watching this girl for. You telling me you haven't. You don't know nothing about this girl for 14 years.

[Damaris]

Probably knows her dating history because there's.

[Julian]

No way y'all didn't have each other on no social media at all. So you didn't know who her best friend was? Like, this was all just, oh, whoa, what a kawinki.

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie. If my best friend's girlfriend. Her best friend is like, a girl that I like. That's gonna be. That's almost like. That's Stockton and Malone right there. Like, fam, set the screen. I'm coming off. I'm shooting this motherfucker. Like, are you kidding me? My best friend's girlfriend's best friend. I like her.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Damian, what the fuck are we talking about?

[Julian]

That's a dream until one of y'all break up and it's awful for everything.

[Rory]

That's cool for, like, a week.

[Mal]

That's all I need to at least. Oh. Get myself in the door to where now me and her have a line of communication. I'm not saying, like, I need them to be cool forever, but for me to get my foot in the door. And now me and her are building our own little rapport with each other. A week is enough time.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but they're saying once you hit, then you're gonna fuck up. You're gonna nuke the whole dynamic.

[Rory]

Like, who do you get in the divorce?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Because now once you ghost her.

[Mal]

Is that really a question?

[Rory]

But then you can't really, like, come around if that's your man. I think we had a voicemail that was kind of similar to this.

[Mal]

Yeah, sure.

[Rory]

There was some type of chaos in between fucking your homeboy's wife's friend, and you do some foul, and then you can't come around anymore for certain things.

[Mal]

Oh, but yeah, if Damien does some.

[Damaris]

Foul, then, yeah, the foul would just be not talking.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm not saying, like, really foul, but, like, he just. And it doesn't work out. And then it's awkward now.

[Julian]

Now homeboy gotta hear his girlfriend's mouth about, yeah, yeah, Bum ass friend played my friend.

[Mal]

That's fine. It's foul to do that. As a grown man. It's foul to do that. We could just say it. It's foul to a girl and just, like, not talk to her after that.

[Damaris]

That.

[Mal]

That's foul.

[Rory]

I agree.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

No, but even there's ways that it can not go lead to a relationship that she could. No matter what, it doesn't go in that direction. She could feel away.

[Rory]

You could still do it in a healthy way and it not be foul and just be honest.

[Damaris]

Not be able to. It's.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's still at that point, it's like, yo, come on, man, stop. Like, cut the weird out. Like, they. They dated. It didn't work out. It's okay. We're all adults here. Like, what I think have to make it weird.

[Rory]

What I think is even crazier is if she does give Damian the pussy and then she breaks it off, then it's even more awkward. We're trying to look from the man's perspective, like, ah, I want to fuck with that.

[Mal]

No more.

[Rory]

Even worse, when she kicks you to the curb and you got to be.

[Julian]

Around when your homeboy is down bad. And shorty like, yo, I don't want nothing to do with him. You can't bring him around and shit.

[Rory]

Cause then at the kickback, she's laughing at other dudes jokes a little too much.

[Mal]

Oh, see, that's how school shooters are born right there.

[Rory]

No, no. It's buying Criss Angel's book.

[Mal]

No. N Shoe colleges, too. Don't get it twisted.

[Damaris]

Look, get a book of matches. Magic you'll beat in no time.

[Mal]

What is she like? Girl, this tried to do some match trick for me. I blocked his number. This pulled out this little ass book of matches and was like, hey, look. Voila. He said, girl, I wild my ass about it. That restaurant so fast. I showed him a magic trick that ain't never see me again.

[Rory]

How much of a loser I am. And I'll actually give Julian credit because if I knew how to do a match trick, I would 100 do it in front of a girl.

[Mal]

No way. There's no way.

[Damaris]

I haven't done it in front of. I lit. I. First of all, I was a kid when I got that book. I got that book for myself. I wanted to learn magic. I wasn't like, this will get me. I was like 12.

[Mal]

Yo, the fact that Julia wanted to learn magic, that's not funny.

[Damaris]

Cool.

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory]

It killed jfk.

[Julian]

That.

[Damaris]

I was watching jfk. Yeah. Last night.

[Julian]

What did he say?

[Mal]

It killed jfk.

[Rory]

I went to bed watching Magic bullets.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Another doc of his on Amazon prime. And they were talking about when they brought him to the hospital, they thought he was still jfk.

[Mal]

Did you see the video, Jacqueline?

[Damaris]

Ken is so up. She was walking into the operating room, like, carrying, like, pieces of brain, his cerebral cortex, and, like, putting it on the operating table, like, make it work. Work his.

[Mal]

Like. Yeah. What do you mean they thought he was still? How did they not see that footage?

[Rory]

They.

[Damaris]

She refused to believe he was dead until. Cuz the doctors were like, he's cooked.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

And she refused to believe it until. Because they're very religious, the priest had to come in and determine the status of him. She refused to believe it as she was holding pieces of his brain.

[Rory]

Listen, that that priest walked into that surgeon room, went, Jesus.

[Mal]

Whoa.

[Rory]

My God.

[Mal]

You seen that video?

[Rory]

Jesus H. Christ.

[Mal]

He didn't make it. No. Come on.

[Damaris]

The reason why she jumped on the hood of the back of the car was to pick up pieces of his head.

[Rory]

She was a wife.

[Mal]

No, she was trying to.

[Rory]

Dramatically shot. Yeah, you have to give her some grace there.

[Mal]

She was trying to jump out of the car.

[Damaris]

No, she went. It's. I just watched it. No, his head from the car. The Secret Service jumped on the back to cover the President, as if there was more needed to happen. But she was going.

[Mal]

I thought she was trying to climb out of the car, like, she didn't know.

[Damaris]

She was. She was with.

[Rory]

Between.

[Damaris]

She was about it.

[Rory]

Between that incident and Marilyn Monroe. I think Jackie Kennedy is the definition of a ride or die bitch.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

She was in that. That convertible trying to pick up brains while bullets were flying.

[Damaris]

Multiple bullets.

[Rory]

That's a ride or die bitch. Back into the left. I've watched every last bit of footage for this, and we don't need to. I feel like we'll get flagged if we play this.

[Damaris]

No, we're not. We won't play the visual.

[Julian]

Y'all think Jackie was fucking Marilyn on the side? Like, on the low, like.

[Rory]

No, I think you're fantasizing. Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

My bad.

[Rory]

Yeah. I think she was at the summer house when that was happening.

[Julian]

My bad. Why would you pull the video up?

[Damaris]

Look. No, because we're not gonna play it on YouTube. But look, she jumps up.

[Mal]

She's trying to get out of grab.

[Damaris]

No, she's not. She's grabbing his head.

[Rory]

Look at.

[Damaris]

She gets right back in the car.

[Mal]

Because the Secret Service agent is pushing.

[Rory]

Her in the car, not trying to pull her off.

[Damaris]

She gets right back in the car, and then, like, she. She grabs his head and, like, holds him. She was.

[Mal]

She's.

[Damaris]

Rory's right. That's the definition.

[Rory]

That's true.

[Damaris]

Well, yeah.

[Rory]

To close this. How would you guys feel at the next live show if we have women in the green room that I. Julian teaches me the match trick and I do it in front of them?

[Mal]

I would leave.

[Damaris]

Look, I, I.

[Rory]

But what if it works?

[Damaris]

Film it. I want to show you. I'm going to teach all of you how to do it.

[Rory]

What if it worked, though?

[Mal]

All right. What if it worked?

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Kia will JFK your ass if she see you pull out a book of matches in front of experiment.

[Rory]

I don't experiment. Just want to see if they're in. What if Kia is impressed?

[Damaris]

She probably would. It is a nice trick.

[Rory]

Why'd you laugh like that?

[Julian]

You don't impress Kia. He is. You don't. Please don't pull out a book of matches.

[Rory]

I don't impress. Once we're done, I don't impress Kia. So maybe that would be the thing to do it.

[Julian]

The matches for sure.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe that's, like, my way.

[Damaris]

Amara would be impressed.

[Rory]

No, she wouldn't.

[Damaris]

They know magic. Like, where'd that thing go? They love the whole peekaboo.

[Rory]

You know what? This is how I know Amar is, like, really, really? My daughter. Outside of looking identical to me, she is so over peekaboo and just doesn't even react to it.

[Damaris]

She doesn't like the gimmicks.

[Julian]

Because y'all probably dragged it.

[Rory]

No, we didn't. We never did peekaboo.

[Damaris]

Dragged it.

[Rory]

Everyone else, like, that's a natural thing to do to babies.

[Mal]

Dragged it. Y'all dragged peekaboo. She's like, oh, yeah, y'all trying to.

[Rory]

Put me to sleep.

[Mal]

I know what this is.

[Rory]

And we never did it. And then we would try to do it, and now other people do it. And she's like, julie, can you throw.

[Mal]

Me some tissue, please?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

She's like, I chew on the remote.

[Mal]

Now, but she's at that stage.

[Rory]

And then I bought the fake rubber remote.

[Julian]

No, she's not a fool.

[Rory]

She's not an idiot immediately. No.

[Julian]

Yeah. No, she's not.

[Rory]

Magic.

[Mal]

Magic.

[Julian]

I think magic, like, when it comes to, like, hoodoo, voodoo, santeria, like. Like, those kind of things. I think those are cool.

[Rory]

How many guys?

[Julian]

You said what?

[Rory]

How many guys?

[Julian]

I don't play with love magic. I like when I go to leave a he not ready to kill me. I don't play with love magic.

[Rory]

All right, but what about.

[Mal]

See, no, no, no. Because you'll be letting Damaris get off. What about when you don't want the. To leave?

[Julian]

But that. No. What? But when. You're talking about love magic, right? So if, let's say, I'm madly in love with a man, I've been madly in love with plenty of men, you think you're madly in love, you go to do, or you think you really.

[Mal]

Really want to do, you've been madly in love with plenty of men.

[Julian]

Oh, Jesus. I don't mean literally plenty.

[Mal]

Oh, I'm just asking. I'm listening to you and I'm asking.

[Julian]

What I'm saying is, is that you think when you're in love or when you really, really want someone, that that's it lust like. Yeah, not even lust, but like, you know, you can fall in love with someone and sometimes things end and you're ready to move on. When you're playing with love magic, you're saying, you're putting whatever is spell or whatever you want to do to say, hey, I do not want this person to ever leave me, or I do not want this person to ever fall out of love with me. If you outgrow them and you're ready to leave, that does not break the spell. They are still hooked by that spell and they will kill you before they let you get out of that spell. And if you talk to people who practice those type of things, they will tell you that is something you have to be very, very careful with. So, no, I'm not going to want a man and be like, I don't want him to ever leave or I want him to really, really want me.

[Mal]

Or.

[Julian]

Or I'm going to put. I'm going to put period blood in his spaghetti. Or I'm going to like all types of shit, right? All these things. And then when I grow outgrow him in five or six years and I'm ready or something happens that I'm ready to leave and he, because of that spell, he won't allow me to leave him and my life is in danger. That's why you don't play with love magic.

[Mal]

I don't believe in none of that shit.

[Rory]

You don't think it was weird they never did like, a background check on Aladdin?

[Damaris]

That's right.

[Mal]

You mean a homeless kid that was running around the city trying to.

[Rory]

But like, back to the. You can't make someone fall in love you. Wasn't that part of the whole thing? He couldn't wish to. For her to love him.

[Julian]

I never saw.

[Rory]

But she would. She has to fall in love with the king. So his wish was make me a king. Like, nobody asked what kingdom he was from. He just showed up to the castle and was like, yo, I'm a king. And everybody's like, come on in.

[Mal]

I gotta watch that movie. That's a good movie.

[Julian]

I've never seen the one with Will Smith.

[Mal]

That was good.

[Rory]

Well, it was a cartoon before.

[Mal]

I know that. You think I didn't know that?

[Julian]

Look at him. He like so mad. They trying to blackwash Aladdin. Look at him.

[Mal]

Yeah, black. Black man, black wash.

[Rory]

Did it with Little Mermaid.

[Julian]

Oh, my God.

[Mal]

Taking everything. God damn it.

[Rory]

There's a war on Christmas.

[Mal]

There's a gentrification on Disney.

[Rory]

Yeah, Aladdin just Didn't make much sense to me. I feel like that's an easy background check in that. That world.

[Damaris]

Shaq was one of my favorite Genies.

[Mal]

Yeah. Sorry to Hit it.

[Julian]

Rory, what's your favorite? Like. Like Disney or Disney Pixar. Like animated movie. Like animated children's movie.

[Damaris]

They make Irish ones. You all get a story yet?

[Rory]

Probably racist. I'm sure that's.

[Damaris]

Oh, no, it's the one. She's a. It's a girl. She's a ginger.

[Mal]

She's brave.

[Damaris]

Brave, yeah.

[Julian]

Irish. Is she Irish?

[Damaris]

She's definitely Irish. She's as Irish as they get.

[Mal]

You haven't seen Brave is the name of it.

[Damaris]

Yeah, and they're relatively new.

[Julian]

2012 now. You got to show it to Amara.

[Damaris]

Yeah, look, this is.

[Mal]

Oh, I've seen this. I've seen.

[Damaris]

Right there.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, I have seen this cover, but I've never watched.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she looks like you're saying Pixar.

[Rory]

Like, actual.

[Julian]

Just, like, Just animated or cartoon Children's movie.

[Rory]

Land before the Time. I loved the dinosaurs and shit.

[Damaris]

I didn't love that movie. Little Foot. You don't know that's.

[Rory]

We're younger than.

[Damaris]

After your time.

[Mal]

I saw the Land Before Time.

[Julian]

Okay, so what about, like, Disney? Like. What about, like, Ducky?

[Rory]

What Disney cartoon movies are there?

[Mal]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Julian]

So, Prince, I want to go into, like, not just princess movies, but princess movies, right? So, like. Or maybe like, the Lion King or.

[Rory]

Nah.

[Mal]

Nemo. Me up a little bit.

[Julian]

Really?

[Mal]

Nemo choked.

[Rory]

Oh, I love Nemo.

[Mal]

I'm gonna keep it a honey. Nemo kind of choked me up a little bit when I watched Nemo. I wasn't expecting that. I was like, damn, you get the little.

[Rory]

Oh, James and the Giant Peach. Love that one.

[Mal]

No, you don't.

[Damaris]

Yeah, it's a great book. It's Roald Dahl, I believe. I read the book, too.

[Rory]

Oh, Flubber was great.

[Mal]

Yo, Paul, shut up. I I. Man, he read the book, James the.

[Rory]

Giant Peach before the movie came out.

[Julian]

It was, like, mandatory.

[Damaris]

One of the best.

[Mal]

Yeah. It was mandatory for y'all to read James and a Giant Peach when y'all was in school. Oh, man. Jesus.

[Rory]

I thought that was a skinny Tony Soprano.

[Mal]

Did y'all read the Autobiography of Malcolm X?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Damaris]

Roald Dahl also wrote Matilda and I.

[Julian]

Know why the Caged Bird Sings. I think I had to read in school.

[Rory]

What was also the required reading in school? That was a slave book. The. What was his name?

[Julian]

I don't remember.

[Rory]

He was. He's slave. That Escaped?

[Damaris]

No, the slave book.

[Rory]

It was required reading.

[Julian]

I remember we had to watch.

[Mal]

He was a slave that escaped.

[Rory]

Yeah, he went north.

[Mal]

He went north, so. Yo, yo, watch your mouth, man. I don't know, just the fact that you just a white man to say, yo, he went north. I don't like that.

[Julian]

Ma, what's your mouth.

[Rory]

I was trying to think of the synopsis.

[Julian]

Children's, like, movie, one where you were a kid and, like, one that came out recently, and it doesn't count because.

[Rory]

It'S from the Life and Times of Frederick Douglass.

[Mal]

Oh, I was gonna say Frederick Douglass.

[Rory]

Yeah, that was a required reading.

[Mal]

My favorite kid movie as a kid.

[Damaris]

Some Charlie Chaplin.

[Mal]

You. The Goonies. The Goonies. Classic.

[Julian]

Okay, what about now? Like, you know, that you watch with your nephew and stuff like that.

[Mal]

I don't really have one that I watch my nephew, but my favorite, probably the sandlot.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I'm so animated, baby.

[Mal]

Oh, animated.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

But the Goonies isn't animated either. I noticed both of you, some are both animated.

[Julian]

Yes, yes.

[Rory]

Oh, I didn't want to sound ignorant. I. I was like, I don't think the Goonies is animated. Maybe I missed.

[Mal]

I didn't know she.

[Rory]

I just thought there was, like, an older version maybe.

[Mal]

Damn.

[Damaris]

Did they really do animated films like that for kids back in the day or not in the 80s?

[Julian]

I don't know.

[Mal]

Yeah, I mean, a little. When A Little Mermaid first came out, that was. That was dope. I remember that.

[Julian]

Really?

[Mal]

I wasn't really big into animated animated films like that, though.

[Julian]

Really?

[Mal]

I really. I like movies even as a kid.

[Julian]

To this day, I still watch so many animated children's movies. Like, they're like my go to. Yeah, they're very relaxing to me.

[Rory]

Why is it that. That's, like a girl thing? For real? Most girls I know, like, in their free time, if you are on the phone with them and ask them what they're doing, they're watching an animated. Yeah, like, movie.

[Damaris]

It's all love tales and shit.

[Julian]

Not even, like, Hotel Transylvania. I'll put that on in a heartbeat. Despicable me.

[Rory]

Like, I saw a wild tweet a few weeks ago that asked, do you think Tarzan was anything in the jungle before the people found him?

[Mal]

Why do people minds go to.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't know. It wasn't my tweet.

[Damaris]

The weird thing about that film is the people that find him are British and he has an American accent. He wouldn't speak like that at all. At all. He was just an American White guy.

[Rory]

So did everyone in Pocahontas.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, it was so historically inaccurate. I know he was amongst the gorillas and shit, but, like, you don't you take after the people that teach you the language. He was like, hello. And they're all like. Like, it was like. It doesn't make sense.

[Mal]

The Muppets Take Manhattan was a good one. It's not really animated.

[Rory]

I love that movie too.

[Mal]

The Muppets Take Manhattan. You remember that?

[Rory]

Of course.

[Mal]

That was my shit. Muppets Take Manhattan.

[Rory]

Big Muppets fan.

[Julian]

Julian, what about you? You like animated movies?

[Damaris]

I like animated movies, yeah. I. I mean, trying to think, what.

[Mal]

Was the one about the kid on with the train that you said you cried?

[Damaris]

Polar Express.

[Mal]

Polar Express. He cried at Polar Express.

[Rory]

It's a great film.

[Damaris]

You didn't cry during Up.

[Mal]

No, I did not cry during watching up the.

[Rory]

No, I didn't cry.

[Mal]

I was a grown man when that came.

[Damaris]

That silent sequence that they show about the love you cry. Come on.

[Julian]

I didn't see Up.

[Rory]

Oh recently.

[Mal]

So. No, though.

[Rory]

Soul. I like Soul.

[Damaris]

I cried soul.

[Julian]

I cried.

[Mal]

So was dope. That was a good movie. No, I didn't cry, but that was a good movie.

[Julian]

Coco.

[Mal]

I told you last time I cried. One of those movies is when they jumped Raphael in Ninja Turtles. I ain't like that. When the footies jumped him. And yeah, I wasn't feeling that.

[Rory]

I don't want to be a social justice warrior on Twitter, but I think I need to re watch John Henry as an adult just to double check.

[Julian]

Who do you double check?

[Mal]

Let me know how that works out for you.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Damaris]

Inside Out. That's a great one.

[Julian]

I love Inside Out. They're coming out with the two.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Long movie, but real. Really worth it.

[Mal]

We need to remake Ratatouille with some of these rappers. Y'all want to see that version, huh?

[Rory]

I'm actually gonna.

[Mal]

I don't want to see rap. Yeah. Like, why y'all want to see that with hip hop? Like with the rappers that be ratting.

[Julian]

A little as per.

[Rory]

Do you remember the video game Parappa the Rapper?

[Mal]

What?

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

Showing my Per.

[Mal]

Rapper.

[Rory]

Rapper the Rapper.

[Mal]

Never heard of it. Who the fuck is Parapper the Rapper?

[Damaris]

This kid.

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

He said yes.

[Rory]

Is this like the shit when I was. God knows how you.

[Damaris]

Oh, PlayStation.

[Rory]

Yeah. Oh, it's a game, but it came. Here's the thing. I never had the real game. PlayStation 1 came with like a demo disc.

[Julian]

Oh.

[Rory]

Where it had a bunch of different. And that was one of it. And you could just play like a.

[Mal]

Quick, like, one stage.

[Rory]

Yeah. I never bought the game, but I played that demo non stop. You gotta like. Yeah, you gotta rap with your sensei.

[Damaris]

Who's an onion?

[Rory]

An Asian onion.

[Damaris]

It's an Asian onion.

[Rory]

A yellow onion. Is that racist?

[Damaris]

Look at the smell come radiating from his head.

[Rory]

And, like, he wrapped, like. And you had to. It was almost like Dance Dance Revolution before that. You had to keep up with his karate moves. And they were wrapping him.

[Mal]

And this is how you fell in love with hip hop.

[Rory]

I liked hip hop already. We liked this game because it was like, oh, it's a rapper game. And then we clicked the demo and it wasn't. Yeah, it wasn't really up to our liking.

[Mal]

I was playing TikTok.

[Rory]

I was already listening to Beware of the Dog when this came out.

[Julian]

Look how one dimensional it is.

[Damaris]

That's flat.

[Rory]

I used to love this.

[Damaris]

You built like Taylor Swift.

[Mal]

Yeah, I've never played this.

[Julian]

That's fucking hilarious.

[Rory]

Yeah, any, like, Crash Bandicoot and at this time, yes.

[Damaris]

Spyro. Spyro was so good.

[Rory]

My older cousin beat or something like.

[Damaris]

Hey, Spyro is so good.

[Mal]

Let him have his spiral moment.

[Damaris]

Nostalgia.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Damaris]

No, we had the conversation with Vice City. That gta. Vice City is the best game ever. Yeah. Good times.

[Rory]

That's how you learn to kill hookers.

[Mal]

All right, well, did we help Damien with his.

[Damaris]

Did we get slow game?

[Rory]

Yes.

[Mal]

Listen, Damon, you heard what I said. Play slow. If you want you slow, you blow. Yo, my. Yo, you should have just. I just started talking to my ex again, and you.

[Julian]

Damien, be yourself. Don't go come. If you're not a, like, assertive dude. Don't go in there being assertive because you won't be able to keep it.

[Mal]

Up if you ain't assertive. You better become assertive.

[Julian]

Oh, see, yeah.

[Rory]

I'm a little hurt that you guys didn't like my mixtape idea.

[Mal]

Make him.

[Julian]

No one's not right.

[Mal]

Sure.

[Damaris]

Remember high school? Like, he should do that.

[Julian]

If he bags her and like, after, like, maybe like their fifth date, then he can do that. But, like, I don't know if she like him yet.

[Damaris]

Get on the aux. If you're at a function or something or if you're chilling at the crib and play something, you might think she's like, oh, what's this? Be that guy don't like, put it in her face. Hey, cd.

[Rory]

Okay, but saying, yo, remember when we used to. Is better.

[Damaris]

They're both awful. There's no better.

[Rory]

Remember James and the giant peach.

[Mal]

Yeah, that'll get her. Damian, you heard what I said, man. Be assertive, be confident. But also, you know, have fun.

[Damaris]

Get a booking matchup.

[Mal]

Don't be so serious.

[Julian]

Call back and tell us whose advice you took. Keep us updated.

[Mal]

Don't call back if you ain't. Take mine. Cause I know the outcome. She got a man.

[Rory]

Before we leave, I guess we have to congratulate Burna Boy for being the first African born artist to perform at the Grammys.

[Mal]

Shout out to Burna Boy.

[Rory]

I think congrats. I also think that's crazy that this is the first one in 2024.

[Mal]

Insane.

[Rory]

Do we want to discuss Chappelle and Cat Williams? Do you guys want to save that?

[Mal]

Nah, I'm kind of Cat Williams doubt.

[Rory]

Dave Chappelle was on stage over the weekend and just made some statements. I just want to let people know we're talking about and then we can.

[Julian]

No, it's. No, it's not that. It's that you said, do you want to talk about a Moss?

[Rory]

I was going to explain what we were talking about and then move on.

[Mal]

It's like, shut the up. I'm talking about this. I'm getting my.

[Damaris]

So anyway, get your off, Rory.

[Mal]

Go ahead, man.

[Rory]

I wasn't gonna do a deep dive into it, but I was gonna let people know what we were talking about and say maybe we get to it some. Some other time. I made some points. He was on stage saying, I mean, why didn't talk about other white comics anyway? And why are you trying to make us look bad that you know.

[Mal]

No, I get it. But see, this is the thing that I was kind of, you know, when that whole thing happened, I knew that this was gonna parlay into a lot of other conversations amongst comics. And I just. Dave Chappelle is right. He made some points on what he said. But I think people are also forgetting that, you know, maybe Cat is just speaking from more so his experience in comedy. Maybe he didn't experience a lot of the white comedic circles and things like that. He's only talking about his circles on the come up in comedy and things that he saw. So I mean, maybe he couldn't go up there and talk about white comics because he wasn't in those circles.

[Julian]

And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Katt replying to people who had came on Club Shay Shay and said shit about him.

[Mal]

That was one of the other things too. He was responding to things that were said on that platform about him. So that's what I'm just saying. But now it's turning into, you know, Cat is. You know, he caused, you know, just turmoil and friction amongst black comics and things like that. And now it's turning into something else. You know what I mean? It's just like, I get it. You know, like I said, we said when this shit first spoke about it, I believe a lot of things that Katt said, and I believe that a lot of things he said on there were just entertainment and just, you know, embellishing certain things and things like that. But now it's just. It's getting ready to go somewhere else, and it's just like, all right, fam. Like, all right, I get it. A lot of comics are just looking at Cat like, yo, you just causing some shit that just didn't need to happen amongst black comedians. But, I mean, he was responding to his name being spoken about on a platform. He was telling his version of things and his comedic journey. Some of it true, some of it, you know, again, just his point of view, maybe. But either way, man, great comic, obviously. Dave Chappelle, iconic comic, legend. Both legends. To me, I think Cat Williams is a comedic legend as well. So, yeah, man, let's just leave it at that, man. I don't want this to turn into something else. And I saw Marlon Wayne's addressing the fact that they talking about black men that wear dresses in film, and Marlon was saying how they did white chicks, and that's a classic movie, which he's right about that. But it's okay if Robin Williams gets an Oscar for win and dresses Mrs. Doubtfire. It's an iconic role, iconic movie because he's a white man. But if a black man does has another meaning or it's selling your soul. So, I mean, it's just going a whole bunch of different ways that I don't think it needs to go. But I ain't wearing no dress. I know that.

[Rory]

That's why I wanted you to talk about it. Cause I was. It's not my place to speak. I just thought it was an interesting back and forth.

[Mal]

Yeah, it is, but I just. I just. I'm just. I just. I just know how this shit can. It could. This can go turn into something else. And it's just like, you know, I don't even want to get that shit. No gas.

[Rory]

I get it.

[Mal]

Cat said what he said. Classic viral episode. A bunch of viral clips from his sit down with Shannon Sharpe entertaining. Cause at the end of the day, all of this shit is entertainment. So, you know, I don't think we need to turn it into something else other than it just being entertainment. I don't think that anything he said on there will affect anybody's pockets. Honestly.

[Rory]

I don't think so either. And I would like to hear the cat rant after the SNL bit that happened over the weekend.

[Mal]

That was dope.

[Damaris]

That was good.

[Rory]

That was funny.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was entertainment, man. Let's keep it entertainment. Let's have fun. Let's laugh, let's respect each other. Let's love each other. Let's keep, you know, keep entertaining and keep some integrity, too, at the same time.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Well, this has been another episode, another journey. Good episode.

[Rory]

Yeah. We'll see you guys in a few days.

[Mal]

See y'all in a few days. Be safe. Stay warm. It's cold as in New York City. I don't know where y'all at, but it's cold as out here. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. Peace. New worrying now.