Episode 238 | Meg Still Needs To Respond

Summary

Summary of "New Rory & MAL" Podcast Episode 238 | "Meg Still Needs To Respond"

Podcast Information:

• Title: New Rory & MAL
• Host/Authors: Joe Budden, Rory Farrell, Mal, and Julian
• Produced By: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
• Description: New stories, new laughs, new random hot takes that no one asked for... New Rory & Mal
• Episode: 238 | Meg Still Needs To Respond
• Release Date: January 30, 2024

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1. Meg and Nicki Minaj Diss Track Feud

Overview: The episode opens with a heated discussion about the ongoing feud between Meg and Nicki Minaj, centering on Meg's recent diss track titled "Hiss." The hosts critique the quality and impact of Meg's diss, comparing it to other notable rap beefs.

Key Points:

• Meg's Diss Record "Hiss":
  • Criticism: Mal labels "Hiss" as "one of the worst diss records of all time," expressing disappointment in Meg's approach ([05:36]).
  • Artistic Merit: Joe Budden appreciates the subtlety in diss tracks but finds Meg's execution lacking ([08:31-08:44]).
  • Comparison to Other Feuds: The discussion compares Meg-Nicki to Drake vs. Pusha T, highlighting differences in delivery and substance ([10:25-16:47]).
  • Top Dog Dynamics: Joe emphasizes that as the "top dog," Nicki maintains higher standards, avoiding prolonged beefs that emerging artists often engage in ([26:13-28:30]).

Notable Quotes:

• Mal: "We need to be kind. It's an intervention." ([01:08])
• Joe Budden: "She used this Hiss record to address everybody that she felt like... has been just saying little slick shit about her." ([05:04])

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2. Personal Anecdotes: Parties and Parenting

Overview: The conversation transitions to personal stories from a recent birthday party at their office, highlighting the challenges of balancing social life and parenting.

Key Points:

• Awkward Moments:
  • Mal recounts bringing a friend with one arm to Amara’s first birthday, leading to an awkward interaction where she joked about not having arms ([53:04-56:00]).
• Parenting Challenges:
  • Discussions about missing social events due to parenting responsibilities, with Joe and Mal sharing their experiences and feelings of guilt ([77:11-84:08]).

Notable Quotes:

• Mal: "I froze, and I'm telling you what was. And then I watched my elevator." ([55:02])
• Joe Budden: "My daughter isn't a trophy. I'm not bringing my baby to hang out with me and my boys." ([80:56])

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3. Voicemail Segment: Personal Trauma and Family Issues

Overview: A significant segment features a voicemail from a listener named Mal, seeking advice on handling the revelation that his father raped his mother when she was a child, resulting in his own birth at a young age.

Key Points:

• Listener's Dilemma:
  • Mal reveals his painful background, questioning how to approach a relationship with his father, who impregnated his mother at 12 years old ([95:14]).
• Advice Offered:
  • Therapy: Joe Budden suggests seeking therapy and having open conversations with his mother to navigate the trauma ([104:03-104:15]).
  • Setting Boundaries: Emphasis on setting healthy boundaries and understanding the emotional complexities involved ([100:03-104:15]).

Notable Quotes:

• Caller Mal: "Tell me the right way or a good way to go about asking about this? Do I just sweep it under the rug and you don't ask questions at all?" ([95:14])
• Joe Budden: "I would say you know, go get some therapy. You and your mom go together." ([104:03])

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4. Discussions on Religion, Heaven, and Hell

Overview: The hosts engage in a philosophical debate about beliefs in heaven and hell, the role of religion in society, and conspiracy theories related to organized religion.

Key Points:

• Heaven and Hell Debate:
  • The hosts debate choosing between a billion dollars or spending time in heaven and hell, exploring their personal beliefs and skepticism about these concepts ([140:44-155:03]).
• Religion's Influence:
  • Mal and Rory critique how religion is weaponized to manipulate people, discussing atheism and the portrayal of heaven in media ([148:35-157:36]).

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden: "Meg has the luxury of doing that. She's not the top dog." ([41:55])
• Mal: "Every religion has a version of heaven." ([141:32])

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5. Commentary on Griselda Series and Drug Kingpins

Overview: Joe Budden and the hosts discuss the Netflix series "Griselda," focusing on historical drug lords like Griselda Blanco and other notable figures such as Charles Manson and Pablo Escobar.

Key Points:

• Griselda Blanco:
  • Analysis of her portrayal in the series, discussing her intelligence and ruthless tactics in the drug trade ([115:00-135:00]).
• Historical Figures:
  • Comparisons between different drug kingpins, their operations, and their impact on society, reflecting on their strategies and personal attributes ([128:28-135:00]).

Notable Quotes:

• Mal: "She was like the most intelligent person to get that way." ([113:54])
• Julian: "He was running off with 20 million, fled the country with his girlfriend and left behind his common-law wife." ([126:07])

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6. Closing Conversations and Final Thoughts

Overview: The podcast concludes with more light-hearted banter and personal stories about the birthday party, including humorous comments and planning future discussions on Patreon.

Key Points:

• Casual Banter:
  • The hosts share laughs over awkward moments at the party and reflect on their personal interactions ([152:00-157:57]).
• Future Content:
  • Joe Budden mentions continuing conversations on Patreon, hinting at extended discussions on complex topics like AI images in documentaries and more ([157:35-159:58]).
• Humorous Segments:
  • Anecdotes about interactions with guests at the party, including funny stories about friends and family ([53:34-144:05]).

Notable Quotes:

• Joe Budden: "We're going to talk about what happened at the party next time." ([157:35])
• Mal: "Peace." ([157:35])

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Joe Budden: "You gotta take your nuts, Rory, and swing the motherfuckers around your living room sometimes with no drawers on." ([00:00])
• Mal: "We need to be kind. It's an intervention." ([01:08])
• Rory Farrell: "Meg hasn't dropped a diss record that warranted such a response." ([35:21])
• Joe Budden: "As a man, if you're wealthy and successful, laying on the table and getting surgery is insane." ([21:53])
• Mal: "I'm trying to create a peaceful environment. But we had snipers from the army reserves trying to ruin relationships." ([65:47])

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Conclusion: Episode 238 of "New Rory & MAL" navigates through intense discussions about the Meg-Nicki beef, personal stories about parenting and social dynamics, a heartfelt voicemail seeking advice on deep family trauma, philosophical debates on religion, and commentary on historical drug figures. The hosts blend critical analysis with personal anecdotes, providing listeners with a dynamic and multifaceted listening experience.

Transcript

[Joe Budden]

You gotta take your nuts, Rory, and swing the motherfuckers around your living room sometimes with no drawers on. That's what you gotta do. Let them know. Listen, I got two big Spaldings under these motherfucking boxes. And I'm not talking about this today. My friend fucked your girl because that's what two adults wanted to do. No, Rory.

[Rory Farrell]

And now.

[Mal]

That's why I fucked your bitch.

[Joe Budden]

You fat motherfucker. West side Bad boy killers.

[Mal]

You know.

[Joe Budden]

You know who the realest is. Niggas we bring it to. That's right. First off, your in the clique you claim west side when we ride Come equipped with game.

[Mal]

Can't believe you showed your face today.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, listen, man, I'ma always show my face. You heard? I saw the Bronx in the 90s, nigga.

[Mal]

It's just. It's maybe a rough day for a certain group of of Stans. I applaud you for coming outside.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on, man. Because I see what today ready to be. Hold on.

[Julian]

It's you versus the room, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

100%.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

All right. What's up, man? How y'all doing? How y'all feeling? How was y'all weekend that we're gonna.

[Mal]

Skip talking about my daughter's first birthday just to have an intervention with you?

[Joe Budden]

Okay, let's do it. What are we intervening about? Tell us.

[Mal]

You're supposed to lead with love in these types of things, right? You're not supposed to attack. We're supposed to talk about how your behavior has affected us.

[Joe Budden]

How my behavior?

[Mal]

Your behavior, as did I do as a barb, has never affected me until this weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Okay?

[Mal]

It's a tough day to be affiliated is all I'm saying. And I want to stand with you and I want to see you healed, and I want to see you better, okay? But today we have to. We have to have a real conversation.

[Joe Budden]

All right, let's do it. I'm here to have a conversation, man. Everybody got a little smiles on it. Julian got that little stupid smile on his face. You mean Damaris came and clapping her hands.

[Rory Farrell]

That's not what happened.

[Joe Budden]

Putting extra lip. She got extra lip gloss? No, she got extra lip gloss on today, which means she plan on talking more my face.

[Rory Farrell]

Tell me some what's up. What's up, Nikki? Business.

[Mal]

We need to be kind. It's an intervention. It's an intervention.

[Joe Budden]

Yomi been laughing at me all day. She ain't saying that. She's just looking at me laughing.

[Mal]

I haven't seen Yomi's teeth in three Months just laughing at.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know what the is going on.

[Mal]

Look at that smile.

[Joe Budden]

Even Rel laughed at me when I walked in, like, what's up, man? Like, what the is going on today, man? Like, what's going on? What's up, man?

[Mal]

There was whispers and rumblings. We were talking behind your back.

[Joe Budden]

I know, I know. It felt like it. It felt like when I walked in, I'm like, oh, okay.

[Mal]

It got real quiet.

[Joe Budden]

Everybody's all of a sudden doing Julia starts w. That doesn't need to be wiped off. I'm like, all right, man. I'm like, all right. What's up, man? What's up with y'all today?

[Mal]

Listen, I understand where you're at right now. You guys are coming off a crazy high. Nicky put out a very successful and great album.

[Joe Budden]

That's right.

[Mal]

A month ago.

[Joe Budden]

That's right.

[Mal]

You guys, I understand, were at your. Your. Your peak. Your Studio 54 type cocaine. You guys were living first shot that. See, no, that's not even started the up. That's not even where I was going, actually.

[Rory Farrell]

That's.

[Mal]

I was just trying to think of the highest peak.

[Julian]

No, it's the purest of snow. Yeah.

[Mal]

I also believe Nikki when she says that she didn't do coke. I don't know about other drugs, but anyways, I get it. You guys are riding high. Thought anything was possible. You were invincible. Nikki's 20 years into her career. That album's probably about to be platinum. It was good. She outsold all the other girls. She's the greatest female rapper that's ever existed.

[Joe Budden]

You should have started, you guys. Okay.

[Mal]

I got a little too cocky over the weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mal]

What do you think of Bigfoot? The acapella version?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I did listen to the acapella version first, just because I wanted to focus on the boy. You know, Sometimes we get lost in the music. The beat, the beat. Be hard, and you and I lost in that. I wanted to hear every bar, I wanted to hear every word, every posted deal. So, no, but I wanted to hit. Once I saw acapella, I said, okay, let me start with this. So I started with that. But the only thing with the acapella, right, is that you hear the ads as well, the ad libs. So I'm like, all right, I need to beep because I need to hear the flow. So I got halfway through the acapella, and I'm like, let me.

[Mal]

You couldn't catch the flow on the acapella?

[Joe Budden]

I thought I did, but then some of the Ads came in, and it kind of like, threw my. My bop off a little bit. So I'm like, all right, let me hit a beat.

[Mal]

Well, then let me ask, did you catch the flow on the instrumental version?

[Joe Budden]

Well, I didn't hear the instrumental version. I didn't hear the instrumental version. I went straight to the song after the acapella. Right. But I was lost in all of this because I haven't been paying attention.

[Mal]

Who we all were.

[Joe Budden]

I haven't been paying attention. I don't know, like, what the fuck was going on. I opened Instagram, like, over the weekend and just saw, like, on the Internet. And then I was like, all right, Nikki and Meg are beefing, apparently, now. I just saw. Hold on. I just saw. I don't know if you was playing the video or Julian was playing. I just saw the. What's the name of the Meg record?

[Mal]

Hiss.

[Joe Budden]

Hiss.

[Mal]

Well, let's start there.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so let's start there.

[Mal]

Let's get some order here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Really good song. Great video. The visuals is amazing. Meg looks great. The video was shot really well. I like the whole play on the Tina Snow shit. As we know, that's her alter ego. So the video looked great. The song was good. She sounds like she's addressing multiple things. She's been keeping a mental Rolodex of people saying her name and people having their opinions about her online. And she used this. Hiss is what it's called.

[Rory Farrell]

Hiss.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

She used this hiss record to address everybody that she felt like, you know, has been just saying little slick shit about her and coming at her sideways. So she did a good job with that. So shout out to me. Cause that's a really good song. And it's a. The video is great. She looks good.

[Mal]

So she put out a snippet. I want to say. What was it last Wednesday? Which is the intro to Hiss. Of her saying, like, I'm tired of you hoes. I'm airing everything out. And I texted Damaris because I know she is a. What are the Stallions?

[Rory Farrell]

Like, what do y'all call the Stallions? That. They're actually called the Hotties.

[Mal]

The Hotties.

[Julian]

I know.

[Mal]

Damaris is a hottie.

[Joe Budden]

She you a hottie.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm a Barb, too, though.

[Joe Budden]

Wait, hold on. Let's just wait.

[Mal]

And she's Bardi Gang.

[Joe Budden]

So you.

[Mal]

Yeah, because hangs out with Crips.

[Joe Budden]

You Body Gang. Is that what the car is? That's Cardi's hive. Body Gang. That's the name of her hive.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so Bardi Gang.

[Mal]

Which is crazy. That a stands could be. You're labeled after a gang.

[Joe Budden]

You're.

[Mal]

You're.

[Joe Budden]

You're Hattie.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

And your Barb.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes.

[Julian]

That's trans. Loyal.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Rory Farrell]

Because I like music. I'm not. I don't. I don't know these people, and none of these people know me in real life, so. Yeah, I listen to all of their music. I'm fans of all of their music.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm. When it comes to the stand, same.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with you on that, but I just. I didn't know that you could. You could flag with every flag, though. Yeah, you could like the music.

[Rory Farrell]

Not a loser on the fucking Internet.

[Joe Budden]

But you flag for all three of the. The top female for women empowerment.

[Rory Farrell]

And I hold them all accountable.

[Julian]

Except Ice Spice. She doesn't like Ice Spice.

[Mal]

What are they? What are they? The Spice.

[Rory Farrell]

The Munchkins.

[Julian]

The Munchkins. Probably the hardest. That's a. That's a cool name.

[Mal]

Yo, you like the Bitches is quick, but I'm quicker.

[Rory Farrell]

Bitches is thick, but I'm thicker.

[Mal]

Who is rich? But I'm rich.

[Joe Budden]

Is that Ice Spice?

[Rory Farrell]

That's a bar. I Spice.

[Julian]

That fart record is hard.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's not. It's not.

[Mal]

We're gonna get to everything. I promise there'll be some structure in this episode.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Just so much craziness happened over the weekend. I need to gather my.

[Joe Budden]

And I'm doing that more in 24. As soon as somebody say something and it's false, I'm saying it's false.

[Julian]

All right. Keep it a buck. That Bigfoot.

[Joe Budden]

I don't like it.

[Julian]

It's awful.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I don't like that record.

[Mal]

Well, I want to start at his first. Let's. Let's. Let's start at Friday.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mal]

Hit Damaris. I said all right. With this little snippet she put out. She better be airing everyone out, because I'm tired of Meg always saying she's gonna shoot, and then, you know, you get a. Just a song. I have mixed feelings. I think she did a great job. I would have preferred a little bit more direct shots if you're gonna do that snippet.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no, no, no. The reason why I don't mind the not so direct shots, because in a way, that is an art, too, like designing bars where it's like, Nah, I'm not gonna just say the name, because, you know, that'd be too much. That's giving somebody way too much attention and way too much of my platform. Those who I'M coming at. They know exactly what lines is tailored and suits them.

[Mal]

See, I agree. Hov did that very well. But don't have the rollout and snippet that you post is saying. I'm getting all this shit off my chest and airing everybody up.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she didn't say.

[Mal]

Just straight up.

[Joe Budden]

She didn't say I was naming names. She didn't say I got everybody's name in my verse. No, I like this type of shit. This is the. This is the art form of, you know, hip hop rap coming at you. You know, your. Your opps in the way and addressing shit. But like, I'm not saying your name because then that's giving you way too much light. Like, I'm not doing that. But trust and believe everybody. She's going out on this record. Oh, they know what. What bars for them.

[Rory Farrell]

Everybody knows what bar. And let's. Let's talk about. Let's talk about the disses.

[Joe Budden]

Let's.

[Rory Farrell]

Let's talk about the disses. So I can count a couple people who I believe that it's two.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, Damaris did her own work. She couldn't wait to get this off. Go ahead.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, no, it's cuz. You know, it's a couple. A couple, a couple of them. So a lot of what Meg talked about in this song was everybody talking about my always name dropping. They need to get in the headline. They got a name drop that they me basically. Right? And it's just like.

[Joe Budden]

Which is corny as.

[Rory Farrell]

That's. It's mad corny. Like, it's like, can agree to that?

[Joe Budden]

Real niggas can agree to that. That's corny.

[Mal]

It's very corny. Also, all those guys are in the headlines already, but I guess I feel you.

[Rory Farrell]

Dababy was not in the headline when he dropped that he back. He was actually.

[Mal]

Oh. Then on record, I thought that was super corny. Out of nowhere, when he was just like, yeah. Nah, I fucked too. I thought it was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the baby was trying to crawl out of a hole. He had dug himself into the LGBTQ pits of hell. And he was trying to climb my body. Nah, I fucked her.

[Mal]

Look at the. Look at the strategy.

[Rory Farrell]

Hilarious.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they had the baby get out of here. That was performing at a comedy show at the Barclays. I was like, damn, but it's still corny.

[Mal]

Gays and be like, I. Megan.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Like, that was cool, right? Yeah, that was crazy.

[Julian]

You guys like her, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Rory Farrell]

All right, so I'm just. I think A lot of that first verse is to her ex boyfriend, but we ain't even gonna address Party, so the first.

[Mal]

Wait, why are we not addressing Party? See, I don't like that. Why? Because she sent a shot at him, he replied, and she's entitled to reply as well. So why are we not talking about it? Yeah, I actually think Party gave her the excuse to start shooting at everyone else. If Party doesn't do that whole rollout thing, I don't think we get this record or even get to this. Nicki Minaj. No Beef, no Party is the central person of this entire thing. Yeah, because if she just came out the gate and started making R. Kelly jokes about Nikki, it would have been like super left field. Are you just saying shit now?

[Rory Farrell]

No, not exactly.

[Mal]

Gave you an excuse.

[Rory Farrell]

No. Nikki's.

[Mal]

To get everything you wanted to say off your chest.

[Rory Farrell]

Shooting at her for over a year.

[Mal]

I agree, but just quietly, things I.

[Joe Budden]

Don'T keep up with. I don't keep up with how long the shot's been going. Like, I just.

[Rory Farrell]

It's been going for a while.

[Joe Budden]

I can't keep up with that shit. Like, it's just too. It's too much music. It's too much shit going on to be like, yo, yeah. Nah. Ten months ago, she threw a shot on this record. It's like, yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Subbing her. Calling her alcoholic, saying she don't fuck with horses since Christopher Reeves. Like, just. I remember that bar say, stay in your Tory Lanes. I'm not Iggy. Like, a lot of. A lot of like that, huh?

[Mal]

All pretty good bars.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. But it ain't with these hoes can be mad at Megan, these holes mad at Megan's Law.

[Julian]

That is an insane bar. That's one of the best as far as if.

[Mal]

If Meg was more well liked at the moment. That's up there with. Is that your tour or your girl store? That is like, that bar is far.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Very simple, straight to the point, and effective as. As fuck. It's up there.

[Rory Farrell]

Maud, do you know what Megan's Law is?

[Joe Budden]

I know. Do I know. Yes, I know Megan's Law.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But I don't know if that bar is that hard to me, though. Like, I don't. I don't. It's a good bar, but the way y'all talking about it, I'm like, okay, nice. It's. And especially because that name obviously is Megan, so it fits. But it's just like, I don't think that's a crazy bar. It's a. It's a Good bar. But the way y'all are talking, like.

[Julian]

I don't think that that shit cuts deep.

[Rory Farrell]

It cuts deep. That's why she's spiraling out of control like this.

[Julian]

That. I think it' good bar, though.

[Joe Budden]

I just. The way y'all talking about is kind of like.

[Julian]

I think that's the line that probably led her to snap. Well, I'm saying, like, at the end of the day, like.

[Mal]

But yeah, like this. That's why I. Your. Is that your tour or your girl's tour? Like, the effective disc records are simple lines like that, bro.

[Julian]

And that's not simple. Like, is that your girls toy? That's fun, but that's within music. We're talking about sexual offender. You're a legally registered sex offender. That cuts on a whole nother level.

[Rory Farrell]

Your brother and your brother and your husband.

[Julian]

Your brother and your husband.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. It definitely is tailored for. Directly at Nick. We know that. But I'm just saying, just the bar is just not. Like, I don't think the bar was crazy, but because it's relevant and, you know, obviously it suits what she's talking about and who she's addressing, then, yes, it lands. It's definitely was a. It definitely was a punch that landed for sure.

[Rory Farrell]

If you're.

[Joe Budden]

I just don't think it's an insane.

[Rory Farrell]

Bar if you're not aware of what Megan's Law is. Megan's Law is the law that got passed that made people had to register as sex offend.

[Joe Budden]

And if you don't know Megan's Law is, then you shouldn't be listening to this record.

[Rory Farrell]

There was also another line that was for Nikki toward the end of the song. That just was bad. And the walls ain't bending, which every. Everybody's been on Nikki's ass lately because a lot of her videos, she's been caught with, like, when you're photoshopping things, the walls are moving to, like, videos. Yes. You can do it in videos.

[Joe Budden]

Like, on IG Music videos.

[Rory Farrell]

Ignore. I mean, like, just regular.

[Joe Budden]

That's the part of this that I can't. I can't jump into. Like, when people start saying, yeah, not a wall. It's like, all right, fam. I. I don't. I'm not subscribing to that. But this is the women beef, so it's gonna be in here that I'm just not supposed to. That's why.

[Julian]

Like, that's the. The angle with this for Megan is who cares about her body and all the. Just. Just hammer the sex offender. Part of things, bro, that's the golden ticket. Nothing she says about your body, your boobs, your ass is fake. Who gives a.

[Mal]

They all get surgery.

[Julian]

Sex offender. That's the. That's the kill. Just hammer that.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, let's. Let's. So we're gonna go back to Nikki. There's more.

[Mal]

Oh, I wanted to get to the Drake. This.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, that's what I'm here. So the one that they are saying. The one that they are saying is for Drake is all these little rap. So fraud. Xanax be they hardest bars. These hate on bbls. And be walking around with the same scars.

[Julian]

That's a bar.

[Mal]

Real curvy, no edges.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, real curvy. No, here's the thing.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the Xanax is. Because Drake said half a zan. I was out like a lice. Obviously Drake is alluding to the fact that he takes Xanax. Right. So obviously this was tailored for.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes as well. Hold on, there's. There's more.

[Mal]

I don't care if Drake does zans. She's saying he has a bbl.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm just saying that whole. That whole.

[Mal]

Here's the thing.

[Joe Budden]

The record.

[Rory Farrell]

They've been saying that for a while. As well as cosplay gangsters, fake ass accents posted in another hood like a bad bitch.

[Julian]

That's such a good line.

[Mal]

She went kind of fucking crazy.

[Julian]

I don't even like.

[Mal]

And this, this is a great line because I thought that Drake shooting at her on Circle Loco. Yeah. Was horny. Like, why'd you even say that about Meg? She's completely warranted to say all this.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no.

[Mal]

And there's been plenty of rumors that Drake has had lipo and has had his stomach sculpted and everything.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Why are you talking about me? Shut up.

[Joe Budden]

Is it a fact that Drake, like, you can't.

[Mal]

You. You have the same scars as the rest of these chicks. You can't shut up.

[Joe Budden]

But is that a fact?

[Rory Farrell]

It's a very. A lot of people have said that. I don't know if it's true or not, but too many people have said it.

[Joe Budden]

I just feel like if it was true, we would know it was like definitively true by now.

[Rory Farrell]

How would you know it was definitely true unless you.

[Mal]

Yomi says you can tell.

[Julian]

How you could tell.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I've never.

[Rory Farrell]

She said he got the BBL belly button. That's what yomi said.

[Mal]

His nipples are cross eyed.

[Joe Budden]

Male lipo.

[Rory Farrell]

So yeah, he's been accused of having male lipo and ab sketching.

[Julian]

I could I mean, I'm not trying to put this on his jacket, but if you look at the photos, you kind of.

[Joe Budden]

Do we have the photos. I've never. Honestly, I've never looked at Drake's.

[Rory Farrell]

You want me to pull up Drake's naked body for you to look at?

[Joe Budden]

See, See how people be wanting to get cursed out that fast in 2024? Did I say pull up a naked picture of Drake?

[Rory Farrell]

If he don't have a shirt on, he's naked.

[Joe Budden]

You're right.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm just saying. But no, no. You want to look at his stomach? Go ahead.

[Joe Budden]

I see what you're saying. Go ahead.

[Mal]

Okay, so he's been maintaining it.

[Joe Budden]

So this is the. So this is an alleged male. Male lipo stomach with ab etching. Yes, with Abbott.

[Julian]

Ab etching is hilarious. I mean, I guess if you're gonna do it, just get it.

[Mal]

He's also Drake and, like, a pop star. I get it.

[Rory Farrell]

I know someone who got it, and.

[Mal]

It looks exactly like that. That's nuts.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Maybe he just loves the gym.

[Rory Farrell]

Listen. I don't listen.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, well, score two for Meg. I mean, do you think.

[Mal]

Do you think Drake was teased as a kid for his curves and now he's finally just embracing them? He just finally, like, loved himself.

[Joe Budden]

I just think, like, if you're the biggest recording artist in the world, I don't think you give a. What nobody's saying about your stomach. Like, I'm not laying on the operating table. Like, if I'm the biggest kid, and so what? I'm fat. Okay?

[Mal]

And, I mean, Kanye admitted he got.

[Joe Budden]

Light bulb, but Kanye is a different case.

[Rory Farrell]

Kanye admitted he had lipo. I didn't know that.

[Mal]

He was screaming at van@TMZ.

[Joe Budden]

A man getting lipo is fucking insane. Let's just put that out there.

[Julian]

That happens a lot.

[Joe Budden]

That's fucking insane.

[Mal]

He screamed at the TMZ office. You guys called me fat, so I had to get lipo. It's your fault.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, a man getting lipo is fucking insane. That's not insane to y'all for health reasons.

[Julian]

I think it happens a lot more than anything.

[Joe Budden]

That's.

[Rory Farrell]

People wouldn't get.

[Mal]

Don't do that. Aside from don't do that because you. Your family was working with somebody. That was the first person that we knew. Got it.

[Joe Budden]

Who you talking about?

[Mal]

Bleep this.

[Joe Budden]

What that got to do with.

[Mal]

Yeah, I was hanging out with. With the lipo man himself.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, that's still crazy. What does that. What does that have to do.

[Mal]

I didn't say nothing to him, man.

[Joe Budden]

That's. No, I didn't know that that's what he had. I didn't know that. I'm just saying.

[Mal]

Cancer.

[Joe Budden]

No, I didn't know.

[Mal]

He dropped, like, £300 in a day.

[Rory Farrell]

Are you good?

[Joe Budden]

No, but. But that's. But see, Rory just talking. That's not always lipo, though. Like, you could. If you're, like, really overweight, you can get, like, that lap band stomach surgery.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I've been thinking about something else.

[Joe Budden]

You asked. No, you just get your stomach tied up and you can't eat with.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah. Didn't Al Roker have that?

[Joe Budden]

I think he did, but he had diabetes. Al Roker has diabetes, I think.

[Julian]

Check that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna put that out there and just put that on his jacket. But I think so. I think Al Roker has health issues. But, yeah. Back to the men. Getting BBLs is crazy. So, Lance, score two for Meg. Because if you got a BBL, I think every female rapper should be able to put you in a bar. Cause it's just like, niggas don't. When you got money, who cares if, like, nobody. Women don't care if you fat. If you got money, who gives a fuck?

[Mal]

I mean, if you're a pop star, I do see the value.

[Joe Budden]

Man, trying to work out. You could hire a chef, you could hire a nutritionist, you could hire a trainer. Like, what happened to that as men? Like, why would. Niggas ain't doing that. Like, laying on the stomach, laying on the table and. And getting surgery in your stomach is insane as a man.

[Mal]

But you're talking about something crazy that would take a year. I could just go for three hours, lay down for a second.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but then now you got rap chicks putting you in bars and shit like that. See what I'm saying? See, that's my thing. I'm always thinking about the back nine. Not the front nine. You got a life as a golf course. The back nine is what I'm worried about, See? Like, yeah, cool. I'mma get this surgery and my shit going to be etched up and all that. But then soon as one of these rap chicks start talking greasy about me, when I'm gonna be able to say, I can't say nothing.

[Mal]

I mean, I think it's fine. I just wonder, like, at holidays, what happens amongst family? Like, Tory Lanez admitted he had fake hair. Drake, with the lipo thing, I wouldn't. I'd come on a pod and be like, yo, I got fake hair. Listen, at Christmas time, I just wouldn't know what I would do with my family if I walked in with abs.

[Joe Budden]

See, that's the problem. Right? See, that's the problem. A lot of, A lot of these niggas don't have funny uncles.

[Mal]

Like, I wouldn't get smart if you.

[Joe Budden]

Got funny uncles and funny cousins. It's certain shit you just not doing in life. Like. Cause you know you're gonna have to hear it. Like, I'm not doing that. Like, as a man. Yo, if you rich and successful, don't lay on no table and get no fucking. What is it called? Cosmetic surgery? Is that considered. Cos I'm not getting no teeth? Okay. Hair. Oh, listen, we all got insecurities. Everybody on this planet. I understand it. I'm just saying as a man, if you're wealthy, successful, you have access to anything you want. I think laying on the table and getting cosmetic surgery for any man. Not Drake aside. Because I don't know, they saying Drake had it. I don't, I can't. I don't know what a man BBL is. But Drake aside, any man, Any man that lays on a table and has cosmetic surgery because they don't like their pudge. You're fucking insane, bro.

[Rory Farrell]

Like, especially when I say.

[Julian]

You want to say there's not another word for it.

[Mal]

Question I was gonna ask is, if you showed up to the holiday with abs and you didn't have them the day before, what do you think your brothers would say to you?

[Joe Budden]

I would. That's why I would never do that. That's why I could never do that three letter word. See, you don't have. You gotta have funny family members because you just know it's certain shit you're gonna think about. Like, man, if I do this, they gonna kill me.

[Rory Farrell]

I thought about that when I wore a fake to Thanksgiving one year. I wore a fake mold. I was like doing something with my makeup. Never again. Never.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like you.

[Mal]

If I came in, if I came in with a bbo, I would. Could care less about our listeners. I would look here and own it. I have no idea how I could face my family. That would be the only thing that.

[Joe Budden]

Would stop me as a man.

[Mal]

How the could I walk in Thanksgiving with a new hairline? I didn't have it yesterday. Yeah, because there's an F word that would be used throughout the entire day.

[Joe Budden]

As a man, the only thing worse than getting a BBL is wearing fake jewelry. It's the only thing worse than a bbo. As a man.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh my God.

[Julian]

I Don't know, because you can. The jewelry.

[Joe Budden]

No, you pay real money for that fake jewelry, though.

[Julian]

No.

[Joe Budden]

So how do they get the fake jewelry?

[Julian]

No, I mean, you pay money for it, but it's not like.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you paid real money for something that's fake. Like, that's insane. That's the only thing to me that's worse than the man laying on the table and saying, hey, Doc, suck this fat out.

[Julian]

No, but the jewelry you can take off. Like, that's not a part of you forever.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, and you can also gain that weight back in your stomach, too. What are you talking about?

[Julian]

No, not if you hit table.

[Mal]

Transfer it somewhere else again.

[Joe Budden]

That's. That's. Now, that's a whole nother level story.

[Julian]

For the next winner.

[Joe Budden]

But anyway, okay, Meg landed.

[Mal]

Oh, no.

[Rory Farrell]

Meg drops her diss at 12:00. At 12:24, Nikki is on live previewing one of the lines from what became the Bigfoot diss. The line that she was previewing was bad bitch. She like six foot. I call her big foot. The bitch fell off. I told her, get up on her good foot. Right? She's playing this over and over and over again. So everybody's like, okay, Meg, this is coming. She's making fun of Meg. Do you rap like, is you Bun B or is you pimpsy? Like, making fun of the way that she raps, which is another thing people are saying, okay, Nikki, not everybody wants to rap like a New York rapper. You're disrespecting down south legends in the way that Megan raps like these people. Yes, she does. She raps like Bumby and Pimpsy. That she's from Texas. Like, that's her flow. She's like, bitch only got one flow. She's saying, Meg doesn't rap on beat. I don't think that that's true. I think Meg raps on beat. But I don't know. Y'all will say that I'm biased, but she was just going off, going on a rant for hours or whatever, dissing her on the Internet, typing all types of shit, saying, oh, your boyfriend came out and exposed you. Said you was lying on your mother. You're a horrible person. All of this. So all of these things she was saying for like 48 hours.

[Joe Budden]

This is what female rap this is with female rap.

[Mal]

Damer skipping the PC version of that entire thing. Let's get back to this intervention. Nikki spiraled out this entire week. She was going nuts on live. I was actually concerned.

[Julian]

We had the pack delivered like it was.

[Mal]

And I'm not gonna say she's on drugs. She's talked about her drug addiction, which we have been very nice about in understanding, and I've loved for her to talk about it. But one could come to the conclusion that she was spiraling out over the weekend with possible drugs involved, because I've never seen any artist do what she did here. You spent three days on IG Live saying the same bars that ended up on one of the worst dis records I've ever heard in my life. You were tweeting the lyrics all weekend and didn't give us one new lyric. Whoever mixed this, please take Pro Tools away from any human being that. That recorded.

[Rory Farrell]

Very bad.

[Mal]

I couldn't hear a word of it. It's.

[Julian]

It's awful.

[Rory Farrell]

It's bad.

[Mal]

It's just crazy how things can shift so much because I was sitting in the same seat talking about Nikki's last album, and that's how our veterans should age. This to me, you went, how old are you? The whole legacy shifted in two weeks to me. Like, Nikki, in my opinion, gave a master class of how to age with this last album. Still do relevant shit with the kids. Talk about being a mother. Do some pussy raps as well. Perfect.

[Joe Budden]

Fucking addressed all her fan bases.

[Mal]

Yes. What the fuck was this for three days? You're talking about the worst diss record we've ever heard.

[Joe Budden]

Well, this is. This is the problem that I've always had with when you become. When you reach a certain level of success, I just think that it's certain shit that you just cannot do anymore. It's certain things you cannot address. There's certain ways you can't act, and that just comes with being the top dog, which y'all know how I feel. Nikki is still the top dog. She's still the top female mc, top female rapper. So when you are that, it's certain things that you just cannot do. You can't spend hours or days on to me again. I don't Meg. Nikki is Nikki. She's successful. She is who she is. I'm just saying, me, if I'm the top dog, I'm not spending hours on social media addressing another artist. I'm not spending hours tweeting about other artists. Like, I'm just not doing that because you just. It's like, I'm in a whole nother category. I'm in a whole nother league. All of you girls, all you women are chasing what I've done, what I've did, and where I am. So I just think that that's just one of the things that you can't do when you're Top Dog. You can't jump in the mud every time. You just can't. You can't. You gotta let them know, like, yo, you can't reach me. Like, I'm on a whole different thing. I'm in different rooms. I'm just doing different things. Cool. We could keep it rap if Nikki wanted to just drop a record. Responding. That's part of the culture.

[Mal]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

I'm with that. But the other shit, the extra shit is where I'm like, that's where Nikki is gonna lose. Because you're on a different level. You can never play that game with these artists because you the queen mc. So it's like they can't throw shots at you and expect you to come down here and get in the mud with them and wrestle and play their game. And then you gonna go back and sit on the throne with mud on your dress. Nah, you supposed to stay there, sit pretty, throw your shots, put the record out. But the other shit to me is where it's like, nah, let's not do that. Let's just give them records. Let's address them in these bars, kill them in these bars, and go back to doing what we doing.

[Rory Farrell]

But even before that, you shouldn't. Sorry to cut you off, Rory. Even before that, you shouldn't be shooting at these girls. You shooting at these young girls and shooting at these young girls and shooting at these young girls and expecting them not to say anything, because I agree with that, too. That's what shooting all the shots at Meg. Meg was actually going through that trial. So you shooting at Meg. Meg's not active on social media. She's not actively, like, really putting music out outside of trying to get out of her contract. And you just shooting and shooting and shooting. And then it's like I come and I say two bars, and you flip, you spiral.

[Joe Budden]

But this is what I'm saying. That's so. Again, when you're at that level that she's at, when you're Top Dog, it's certain things that you just can't entertain and can't do.

[Mal]

She's been doing that her whole career. Even when she was starting to get to legend status, she was still.

[Joe Budden]

But on your. On the incline, I mean, I heard.

[Mal]

A voicemail of her and Latto, like, she's been doing this forever, Right?

[Joe Budden]

But on your incline, on your way up. Cool. You could play that game. But when you're. When it's because I think. I think everyone can agree Nikki is the top dog when you're that. When it's like solidified that this is your crown, this is your throne. You can't play them games you was playing on the come up.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I think you're asking for someone to not be who they are. She likes. That's how she operates.

[Mal]

And also.

[Joe Budden]

Right, but let me give her some top dog. Yeah, but that's certain things that you have to let go of.

[Rory Farrell]

But she's not you. I've been begging for her. We. I think we all have been begging for Nikki to act like Beyonce for years. Why don't address.

[Joe Budden]

Maybe not act like Beyonce, but just act like. Yo, I don't. I can't hear y'all.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, exactly. When I say act like Beyonce, that's what I mean. You don't hear Beyonce talk right. Until it's time to just address music or something. Like, you don't have to address a rumor. You don't have to shoot back at who's shooting at you. Just. You've earned your spot as the top dog as. As this queen when it comes to rap. Just sit there and ignore everything, ignore all the peasants below you, even on top of that, to add to it. And I don't know people's personal life, but I think sometimes it's good when you act like you're better than people, when you've earned the right to act like you're better than people. Hold yourself to that standard because you know what it does? It keeps you from marrying people who tarnish your legacy. There's plenty of artists who have come out and realize that the people that you decide to attach yourself to romantically can be your downfall. Because you love this person so much, and anybody coming at them or criticizing them or anything causes you to crash out. But if that's the case, you don't go and marry somebody who does have to register under Megan's Law on the sex offender list. You don't do that. When you held yourself to a higher standard that you've earned because you are that good. You don't marry that person. And then if you do, you don't get upset when someone you shooting at somebody and shooting at somebody, and then they say, oh, shorty, come on now. You don't make a diss saying, why are you humping on underage? Why are you humping on a minor? And then everybody like me. Humping on a minor. No, your brother was humping on a minor. Your husband Was humping on a minor. You was rapping about humping on a minor.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so let's get the. The facts of this whole, you know, the. What the Megan's Law thing is what Nikki's husband was found guilty of what he served time for. Because a lot of people don't know. I honestly still don't even know exactly what happened with that entire case.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, he was convicted and did four and a half years for rape for a 16 year old. He was 16 at the time as well, saying that he raped her with. At night point a young woman at knifepoint. Did four and a half years and now has to register as a sex offender after his release.

[Joe Budden]

And that's just one. It was two cases, right?

[Rory Farrell]

One case.

[Joe Budden]

It was just one case.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, one case. The victim also sued both of them, saying that they were harassing her to recant her statement.

[Joe Budden]

And this was recently. This is because obviously this happened within.

[Rory Farrell]

The past like three years. I think.

[Joe Budden]

This was like over 20, 25 years ago, something like that, right?

[Rory Farrell]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Julian]

It's happened in 94.

[Joe Budden]

94. Okay, got it. Okay, I see what you're.

[Mal]

You're saying to Marisa, and I think the. The narrative that the Barbs are trying to say now is, is Nikki not allowed to defend herself? Everyone bullies Nikki and then when she starts, everyone calls her the bully. I think what the Barbs are missing is no one's mad at Nikki replying. We're mad that it's bad. Like, that's. Listen, that Megan Law's bar is fire. And I think Nikki has every right to reply and defend herself and defend her husband, defend her family 100% to what you said. You brought families into it. I actually think in Battle Rap Rules, it's totally fine for Nikki to talk about Megan's dead mother. This is battle. Like, this is just how the shit goes. We can't start moving the goalposts for stuff.

[Joe Budden]

Right?

[Mal]

All of that is fair game once you bring families into it. Our issue, Barbs, is not that we want Nikki to defend herself. I always want Nikki to reply in raps. It's just bad. This was just awful. Like, that's what I really think that community is failing to understand. We all love Nikki and she has every right to reply, defend her husband no matter what the case is with his background. It's just ass. Like, it just was not fucking good. Yeah, it was a terrible rollout. Like, you tweeted all the bars before we even. I was glued to my phone for this back and Forth. Because I think a Nikki and Meg back and forth would be great because I think they're both really good rappers.

[Joe Budden]

This is.

[Mal]

And Megan's first joint was great. So when Nikki was, you know, I laughed a little bit too, with the Good Foot and the Bigfoot and all that. Every sort of good bar that even exists in Bigfoot. She tweeted two days prior or was on live saying it over and over and over and over again. Just rambling like, we heard it all. We didn't need the disc record. We have the ig live of you saying everything and it's just a bad diss record.

[Rory Farrell]

Is it really? When it comes to disses it, I don't feel like you really hurt somebody when you're like, naming all the people they like. Megan don't do nothing but rap about her and how good it is and how she don't give a about. So rapping is calling her a whore, and a hoochie is like, okay, I rap about being a whore and a hoochie. You're not really hitting. Like, you're not hitting no extra. You saying I was lying on my dead mother? You got that from parties. This so you harmonizing. Lying on your damn mama. Lying on your dead mama. It's just like. It's very remedial, and it's just like, so beneath what we deem to be her talent level. Are you seeing what I'm saying? It's just like, Nikki, we hold you in such a high regard. Like, if you're gonna start some shit, make sure you finish it strong. We're rooting for you. I wanted Nick's shit to be fire. Like, I love this rap shit, and I' Nicki fan, I wanted it to be fire. It just wasn't. It just seemed like you got hurt, she hit a sore spot, and you just hurry up and react. It. It sounds like a reaction. It doesn't sound like a dis record. It sounds like a reaction.

[Mal]

Here's the thing. Had she really done the immediate reaction, like, the next day with this awful diss record, I would have given her more bail for three fucking days. You were just constantly telling us about this dis record and what's happening and what's going on just to give us this. This piece of record, like, yeah, yeah. I could kind of understand the human aspect of wanting to crash out when someone says something about your partner and, like, maybe not putting out your best effort immediately. She sat and just kept telling us about this song. She did have some time.

[Joe Budden]

Three days The. The thing about battle rap, right? And I think this is obviously coming from hip hop culture. This is part of the culture of hip hop. Battle rap is a part of it. I think it's dope as long as it stays on wax, as long as it stays just music. I think it's entertaining. I think it's. We can get some classic bars, classic records out of it. But something about this, though, it feels like it's something that I think Nikki was waiting on. I think she was waiting for this engagement to happen.

[Mal]

I agree. Yeah.

[Julian]

Well, she said she has, like, three or four more records, too.

[Joe Budden]

This is what I'm saying. So I feel like she's been waiting for this. I feel like Meg kind of felt like this was gonna. It was gonna come to this. And Meg, for whatever reason, has become a villain instead of a victim in the past few years, which is. Which is interesting, too. I sat and thought about that a little bit. Like, damn, Shorty got shot and somehow became the villain. And I don't know why. Again, there's a lot of things that I miss. Just because, again, my eyes is not on the female rap shit as much as it should be. To somebody like you, Damaris, you're gonna pay more attention to this shit because you're a woman. But it's just interesting. It's just interesting to see Meg end up in position. She's in now. But the thing I like about it is Meg's standing on a big box of business. She going right back. She's addressing shit. She's like, listen, she's looking better than she's ever looked. I mean, through it all, even in being a villain all of a sudden, she still has a certain level of class, a certain level of grace, a certain level of just like, yo, I'm gonna just keep getting better. You know what I mean? Like, we've seen her stumble. We've seen her not at her best. And that's dope to see an artist go through all of that, especially a female, to go through all of that and still keep her head high and still try to get better and working on herself and working on being a better person. And, you know, to me, it's just. In all of this, Megan is just walking a certain pace, a certain level with it. I'm like, that's impressive.

[Rory Farrell]

And she hasn't. She hasn't. She dropped the record and she been out partying, living her life. She has not responded to any of the bait that Nikki's been throwing at her. Even saying when Nikki Said, go conjure up your dead mother. Like, Megan has not respuse. All the other girls will sit up there and go back and forth with Nicki on Twitter. Megan was like, I don't even have social media installed in my phone. That's my assistant. Like, that post, like.

[Joe Budden]

But that's what I mean right there. See, that's how you supposed to. I'm gonna just put this record out, and I'm gonna go lay on this beach, and I'm gonna sip coladas till I throw up.

[Rory Farrell]

She was dancing with Victoria Monet. Twerking with Victoria Monet.

[Joe Budden]

Like, that's living a life. That's how you supposed to. That's. Yeah, send me that.

[Mal]

I didn't even know that existed. See, that's the record.

[Joe Budden]

That's the content. We should open with that.

[Mal]

But anyway, even though this record stunk, I still feel like Meg needs to reply. You can get the. I know you could get the excuse of it was, I don't even need to reply to that. Nah, you. You shot at her. She shot back. It's time to shoot again.

[Joe Budden]

See, no, this. Yes, this is where. This is where. This is where. When your top dog, it gets dangerous. Because if you start busting too much and the person that's beneath you ain't even responding in front, you could start looking some type of way in the light. It could be like, yo, like, what's up with you? Like, shorty not even paying you no mind. You supposed to be topped up. Like. And that's what I'm saying. Meg could just put this out and just go and focus on album mode features. Like, if Hunt, Victoria, Monet, drop a record next week, like, hope there's a video. You know what I'm saying? Gotta be a video. Like, it's like you. If you. If Meg goes. That right? This is what I'm saying. When I said she's been walking a certain way and handling herself a certain way, where it's very impressive. She's moving like the top dog is supposed to move.

[Mal]

No, but see, now I feel like we're moving the goalpost. Cause how that was our biggest. Biggest problem was after the push and Drake thing, instead of a response, we got a J. Prince statement and drake going on LeBron's Bart.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but what I. But what I also said, though. No, you got you. I didn't enter the mud.

[Mal]

No, no, we're here now. Cool. You have to reply, cool. Same thing with Megan, Nicky. But I don't care.

[Joe Budden]

But in that Drake shit, I always Said, I don't want to hear no more pusha bars. I don't want to hear no more pusher bars. Because when it was on, when it was time to rap and go and go back and forth, it was called off for whatever reason. So we don't know shit behind the scenes. We don't know it was called off. So as a fan, I'm like, all right, cool. I don't wanna hear no more about it. So don't give me the album now and entail a certain bars to push it. Like, nah, I don't want. Just give me Drake. Just give me music. Drake, don't give me diss bars, give me music. Cause when it was lit, it was called off. I had my popcorn ready, then it's called off. I'm like, all right, fuck it then. No beef. It's all good. Everybody go their separate ways. But then don't come back later and be like, oh, yeah. And another thing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we don't want that. It's over. That section is over.

[Mal]

And I'm saying if Meg puts out an album in a month, there will be subliminal shots all over it. She's a rapper. And I'm saying you have to reply to your point, either shut the fuck up about it or reply. And I know she's going to.

[Joe Budden]

But Meg has the luxury of doing that. She's not the top dog. She has the luxury of doing that. When you top dog. When you have. When you top dog, it just. It comes with a price is certain shit. You just can't entertain.

[Mal]

Nah, you can't.

[Rory Farrell]

Meg didn't start it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not saying she started it. I'm just saying she mega keep throwing shots if she wants to. I'm saying if she decides to say, yo, his is the only time I'm addressing this. And I'm not doing it no more. That's gangster. Because she's not top dog, but she's moving like she's top dog. I'm only addressing this one time and one time only.

[Rory Farrell]

That's exactly what she said, though. She said, I'm gonna address this. And I'm let her. I'm.

[Joe Budden]

See what I'm saying? And that's what the top dog is supposed to do. I'm a. I'm gonna get this shit off and I'm gonna keep going doing what I'm doing my motherfucking every time I turn on the TV show. Nothing will make Planet Fitness commercial.

[Julian]

Nothing will make Nikki more annoying than These women just ignoring her. She wants. She wants them to respond. Like, she thrives off that spat. That's far.

[Mal]

And you guys are making logical sense. I'm talking about. They've entered the rap battle. Mud, who's bigger status, anything. You're here now. Drake was top dog when Meek tweeted that bullshit. He went right to the fucking studio. Meek was below Drake at that time.

[Rory Farrell]

This is the thing. They were saying shit that's relevant. They.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but that was different, though. Not to cut you off. That was different. He tried to end Drake's career with that ghost writing shit. Drake had to respond.

[Rory Farrell]

He had no choice. Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

He had to bust every clip he had in the house. He had to start throwing slippers. All kind of shit.

[Mal]

I respect. I respect Drake. Ford, matter of fact, Emeritus and I were talking last night. I think Charged up is probably one of the most underrated diss records ever. Drake got there and handled his shit. Didn't matter who Meek was. Later on, we saw with Push, it didn't, you know, matter either. But also duppy freestyle. Drake went down into the mud like Duppy. Freestyle's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Criminally underrated.

[Mal]

But he lost because he went and talked to LeBron instead of replying after that.

[Julian]

Yeah, that was whack.

[Mal]

Drake went into the mud no matter who it was. Was Drake bigger than Pusha T?

[Joe Budden]

Of course.

[Mal]

He replied to an outro on Push's album like, I didn't know yet. He's a rapper. Meg has to do the same thing Now. I don't care if it's good or bad. I actually thought it was crazy that Drake replied to one little ass Barb saying it was. It was written like Nas, but it came from Quentin. That's all Push said on that entire album. One bar. And we got an amazing duppy freestyle because. But you know, because when it comes to rap, it does not matter.

[Joe Budden]

It's Kanye. It's Kanye's right there.

[Mal]

Who cares, though?

[Joe Budden]

Like, and you know, Pusha told us he. He inserted himself into that beef, which.

[Mal]

Is fine, but do you think Drake understandably, could have just left that bar alone and never replied and we would never talk about it again? Yes, but he's a rapper, so he did it. Meg now, I don't care if it's good or bad, has to come back. She's a rapper.

[Rory Farrell]

But she already. You have to act. You're acting like Meg shot the first shot. She already did a response. She's supposed to respond to the response. To her response. No, because at what point well, at what point? But at one point in my wasting my time. It's not like Nikki came out and so Pusha dropped. You are hiding a child. Meek dropped. You have a ghostwriter. Nikki did not drop anything that caused. Oh, I have to respond to this. There's nothing worse like, oh, Meg gotta respond. Everybody's looking at Nikki like, okay, this.

[Mal]

Shit is everything else. It's a different playing field. Because everything before was subliminals. Same thing with the the Drake and Pusher shit. For years it was back and forth subliminals. Nothing ever came until w. Freestyle was like, all right, we're finally going to address this shit. And I'm saying Meg with their subs, back and forth. I'm not saying she started it. This was the first time it was really addressed. But don't you think I'm talking about Nicki Minaj and her husband? That is a sex offender. That's what happened here. Now it's a battle. Before it was just sending subs back and forth.

[Julian]

Don't you think they need to be good enough?

[Mal]

This was round one. You have to go to round two.

[Julian]

Think it needs to be good enough to warrant a response. We all agree this is a one of the worst dis records of all time. Why even give this energy? Like the thing with the Drake and push they were putting back. They were hitting home runs back and forth. Everything they put out was fire. This is garbage. Why would you respond to some dog ass trash record? Okay, I wouldn't.

[Mal]

We can go even back to the Drake comparison. Charged up. Meek didn't reply. Did back to back. Did he need to do it? No. But it buried everything.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Then Meek put out a awful diss record.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

And then Drake did 30 for 30 freestyle. He replied. The same thing happened when Nas and Jay between ether super ugly take over all of Blueprint 2. Is Jay shooting at Nas. The battle was over and they were still doing it. You have to continue to reply. You can't just leave this alone.

[Rory Farrell]

You can choose to not reply. I don't know where you keep saying you have to. No, you don't.

[Julian]

I think it's gonna.

[Rory Farrell]

It looks better if she doesn't reply. And anybody who's on her team will tell her that Meg doesn't lose points if she doesn't reply to this. Niggas ain't gonna be like, well, Meg. Meg can't rap. Nikki won the battle. No, Meg won. It's over.

[Mal]

Someone find that Styles P. Styles people first round.

[Joe Budden]

But if Nikki released one of them Other records she say she got. And it's hard.

[Julian]

That's what I'm saying.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, then.

[Joe Budden]

Then replied then it's like hold up now we gotta.

[Julian]

Because that's the Charged up to back to back. Meek didn't take the bait on the one. Drake puts out the next.

[Joe Budden]

Boom.

[Julian]

This fires back. Yeah, get. Let Nikki put out one of these other records she's talking about and maybe I'll. Maybe it'll be worth a response.

[Rory Farrell]

Now what Nikki said was the next person getting dissed ain't even Meg. Well, Meg is going to be included in it. But Desiree or Desiree. I don't. Desiree Perez, the CEO of Roc Nation is who she says will be catching her next smoke. I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Damn.

[Mal]

She's already shot at Des though.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

That's what Nick going.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't read none of this. I don't know what this is news to me. I didn't know about none of this.

[Mal]

She already. Nikki has already dissed.

[Joe Budden]

I know. I'm talking about saying that she has a record. Yeah, bro, that's. That's that. You didn't tell me that you didn't give me that bar.

[Mal]

Well, I don't know.

[Rory Farrell]

That was a tweet. That was a tweet.

[Mal]

She has this tweet which I had wanted to bring up next. It was a perfect transition. She tweeted spending so much money, but she's still a little broke. Independent artist Desiree, you got to let it go, baby. The world knows she's ass and can't rap. Stop to make stop Trying to make fetch happen Shout out to me girls all this is. And this is where you guys will probably call me bias. So this coming from me isn't going to mean much. But I am telling you, can we stop with this Roc Nation boogeyman shit? Was it Tory Lanez dad who was the one that.

[Rory Farrell]

Really Tory Lane's dad? Yeah.

[Mal]

Roc Nation is controlling the courts. What is Nikki talking about? She has started this whole Roc Nation behind Meg thing. They bought ads for a single like any other fucking management company would do.

[Rory Farrell]

She said on the next song I delve into all the people Desiree allegedly fired for unknown reasons. Other things as well. So many people were blindsided and hurt by her. Allegedly. She's willing to go broke to try to replace me. Fix it, Jesus.

[Joe Budden]

So yeah, putting willing to go broke to try to replace me.

[Rory Farrell]

Basically saying she's willing to spend all Roc Nation's budget on Meg to replace.

[Mal]

No, they're trying to spend it on Caesar's palace in Times Square. Like, can we stop with this Roc Nation boogeyman shit? They really think that Roc Nation controls America? Yeah, there's not. Maybe. This is fucked up. Sorry, Roc Nation. They're not as important as you guys make them out to seem. They don't have this power that.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all think they have an influence over the state of California.

[Mal]

They don't.

[Julian]

They're the Jews.

[Mal]

Every single time.

[Joe Budden]

It's. It's crazy, though. But I understand what Roy said.

[Mal]

John D. Rockefeller. What was his. His religion?

[Julian]

I. I don't think he was.

[Mal]

Let me do this. Let me do the sign.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Hov.

[Rory Farrell]

Isn't that Jewish?

[Joe Budden]

So.

[Mal]

And also, Rockefeller's not even named after.

[Joe Budden]

That Rockefeller at all.

[Mal]

But I really wish the Internet would stop doing this Roc Nation thing. They don't have the power y'all think they do. They're just a management label, and that's it.

[Rory Farrell]

And y'all also gotta stop. They put all that power.

[Mal]

They put Usher at the Super Bowl. A lot of power doesn't really change America.

[Rory Farrell]

They think that. They think it's because they think Jay and Beyonce just have all of this power. So they think it's all just Jay.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Jay and Beyonce have a lot of power. But let me. Let me explain something. Jay and Beyonce don't give a. About what half of you is doing.

[Rory Farrell]

Jay don't know what the. I can promise you stallion budget.

[Joe Budden]

I could promise you.

[Rory Farrell]

They don't know what's going on. He don't be on the.

[Joe Budden]

They don't care about none of this.

[Mal]

He don't know what the.

[Rory Farrell]

Is going on. They don't care.

[Julian]

Roc Nation is a tax right now.

[Mal]

He told me and JLF to go figure it out. I'm like, we signed to you.

[Julian]

Yeah, bro.

[Joe Budden]

Go figure it out.

[Julian]

The whole label is a fucking tax write off.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, it's. I don't know. I. Maybe it was Tory Lane's dad that just started that entire thing.

[Rory Farrell]

It's so insane.

[Mal]

Like, the way people describe it, too. Yo, Roc Nation is trying to push Meg to be the biggest and be the greatest rapper. Yeah. They manage her.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[Julian]

Supporting their artists?

[Mal]

Like, when Nikki tweeted that screenshot to dez. They took an ad out on Twitter to promote Meg's single.

[Rory Farrell]

They get mad.

[Mal]

Well, if my manager didn't do that, I'd be upset.

[Rory Farrell]

They get mad because Nikki. Because Meg says that she's independent. Like, how are you Independent. If they're taking ad money out to. I'm paying for this. This is coming out of me. This is coming out of my 20s.

[Mal]

Wait, independent artists aren't allowed to have ads?

[Rory Farrell]

No, they say a Roc Nation. Roc Nation is paying for the ad.

[Mal]

But there's two sides of rock.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's her.

[Mal]

There is a manager and then the label, which is the bigger side, and then there is the label. I could be completely independent and be managed by Rock Nation. And I would also love if my manager would buy ads for my single.

[Julian]

How dare you.

[Mal]

That's not. It's not a conspiracy to end Nicki Minaj because I'm buying an ad on Twitter.

[Joe Budden]

Well, see, this goes back to what I said originally in this conversation about certain shit you just don't speak on. You just don't address. Just put out music. Just. Just address whoever. You gotta issue it in the bars, tear they head off. This is part of. This is part of the entertainment. This is part of the culture of hip hop. This is battling. There's nothing wrong with it as long as it stays on music. We don't want to see Riley running down on somebody at brunch or at breakfast. We don't want to see, you know, I mean, none of that. Like, just keep it. Keep it music. And. Yeah, let's get some classic balls out of it. It. Why not Meg?

[Mal]

Meg has to reply. That's. That's what I'm.

[Joe Budden]

That's what you stand.

[Mal]

I'm has to. I don't. I thought Bigfoot was one of the worst disc records ever, but you still.

[Joe Budden]

I know, Meg. Look, Meg almost got me to get a membership to Planet Fitness. If I see that commercial.

[Mal]

It's a great commercial.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. She looks amazing. She looks great.

[Mal]

Can I tell you guys why I'm going to hell?

[Rory Farrell]

What's your reason this week, baby?

[Mal]

Well, this was solidified, okay.

[Julian]

Oh, is this what.

[Rory Farrell]

What happened at the party?

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, tell.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, no, please tell them what you did. Tell them all. Yeah, tell them all.

[Mal]

I still feel, like, really, really, really bad.

[Joe Budden]

What happened, man? Well, first of all, happy birthday to Amara.

[Mal]

Her. If you're listening to this, on Tuesday. Her birthday is today. Yes, we did the party over the weekend at the office. So a friend of ours, who, you know, also part of the team, brought her boyfriend to Amara's birthday party, which was great. I've met him before. He's a really nice guy. He has one arm.

[Joe Budden]

Friend.

[Rory Farrell]

Writers.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on, hold on. Let's slow down. Let's slow down. A friend of ours that is a part of the team bought their boyfriend, and her boyfriend has one arm.

[Mal]

He has one arm.

[Joe Budden]

Gotcha. Go ahead.

[Mal]

Nice guy. Met him before.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Mal]

It's good to see him. Yeah, it was very overwhelming.

[Joe Budden]

Lefty or righty?

[Mal]

Well, what you asking?

[Rory Farrell]

The left arm is missing.

[Julian]

He didn't have a left.

[Mal]

He could only be a righty.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, so he's a righty.

[Mal]

Well, he didn't have a choice.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, got it.

[Julian]

Going in for the handshake was kind of nice, though, because he had the arm that you shake, so it was like, this is easy.

[Mal]

Helpful.

[Joe Budden]

That's all you need.

[Julian]

Yeah, it was very helpful.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So at this party, very overwhelming. There's, like 20 kids running around screaming, I'm trying to get pizza in. Like, it's just a lot going on.

[Joe Budden]

All right, how did he lose the arm? Was he, like. Is it. Was it a boating accident? Was he in Afghanistan? Is he, like. Is he a patriot? Is he a veteran?

[Julian]

I know he wasn't wearing his Purple Heart.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so he wasn't in Nam. All right, I'm sorry. But go ahead. Go ahead. I mean, listen, I'm that guy. I'm asking.

[Mal]

You lose that in the Gaza Strip. Like, no one. It wasn't. It wasn't a topic of conversation at Amar's birthday party.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, anyway, my bad.

[Mal]

So our friend and her boyfriend are leaving and trying to say goodbye. I have Amara in one arm and a pizza.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I already see what's going on.

[Rory Farrell]

That's what I said.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I don't even want to.

[Mal]

And I have a. I have a pizza box in the other.

[Joe Budden]

So now.

[Mal]

And I'm in the middle of something, and they're trying to say goodbye because they're good friends.

[Joe Budden]

So now he has more than you.

[Mal]

I Then I said to him, when they were both going for, like, a hug and a dap to say goodbye, I said, sorry, I don't have any arms. Which he then replied with, me, too.

[Joe Budden]

I like that guy.

[Julian]

That's funny.

[Joe Budden]

My type of guy right there. It's my type of guy. Address the awkward. Let's laugh at it and move on. No, but you give me a beer.

[Mal]

You don't understand.

[Rory Farrell]

Rory was. I had, like, purple.

[Mal]

Yeah. Like, my face went whiter than it is now, because I just realized I said to somebody with one arm straight in their face, I don't have any arms.

[Joe Budden]

This.

[Julian]

This 5 second of inconvenience in my life. Yeah, I'm gonna let you Know, you literally are missing it.

[Mal]

I was going. I would have said that to anyone. I was trying to do, like.

[Joe Budden]

I get it. I understand.

[Mal]

Someone's tried to. Dad. Like, I got any arms, no hands.

[Joe Budden]

You. You. And that you said, look, my.

[Julian]

No hands.

[Mal]

But, like, you have to understand, in the middle of the chaos, like, everything, it went quiet in. In my brain, and it was just us in the room, and I'm staring at someone with one arm, and I just said to them, I don't have any arms.

[Rory Farrell]

Did you say, my bad, like, after? Or you just. I froze.

[Mal]

I froze, and I'm telling you what was. And then I watched my elevator.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not giving. I'm not bailing. Rory's a dick. He knew what he was doing.

[Mal]

No, I.

[Joe Budden]

Because you don't say. In that situation, you don't say, I don't have any arm.

[Julian]

It could have just been like.

[Joe Budden]

You say, I don't have any. I don't. Rory has never said, I don't have any arm. You don't say, I don't have any arms. You say, yo, my hands aren't free. Like, I have. My hands are full. You don't say, I don't have any arms. Who says that?

[Mal]

Me? Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

To somebody with one arm. Because you're a dick. That's exactly what you said. Rory has never said with a hand. We done traveled the world together, had carry on luggage, then had microphones, all kind of cameras, equipment and shit. Rory has never said, y'all, I don't have any arms.

[Mal]

Cause I wasn't trying to dap you at tc.

[Joe Budden]

No, you say. You say, my hands are full. That's what you supposed to say, my hands are full. You don't say, I don't have any arms. He knew what he was doing, bro. I'm not letting him get that off. He knew what he was doing.

[Mal]

Subconsciously, maybe. Because I did not. I did not intentionally. I can maybe go with your theory that subconsciously, in my head, you were a dick. That happened.

[Joe Budden]

Of course that's what it is.

[Mal]

But I did not intentionally tell a man with one arm that I don't have any arms.

[Joe Budden]

Subconsciously, you told him that you thought it. I mean, well, you didn't think it right there.

[Mal]

It's hard to miss.

[Joe Budden]

No, you didn't think it right there in that moment, but throughout the day, it was in your mind. You was. You was writing. You was writing material. He was right material. He was right material. I don't. That's the type of guy Rory is He's gonna write material. He don't. He don't know when he gonna deliver it, but he's gonna write it.

[Mal]

Get up on your good arm.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Come on, man.

[Mal]

I was reading Nikki tweets. That's why.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Mal]

Well, but no, I felt like, why. I froze and, like, just watched them walk away because I felt awful. I was also like, oh, and she works with us, and here's another HR scare. And I just. I. I had a stomachache the rest of the day.

[Joe Budden]

That's not thinking, like, what.

[Mal]

Why the fuck did I just do that?

[Joe Budden]

That's not worse than the blunt I had when we was doing that meet and greet that year and I told a girl that wasn't pregnant. I was like, oh, congrats.

[Julian]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Budden]

That's the worst shit in the world.

[Julian]

Where was that? Was that in Atlanta?

[Joe Budden]

That's the worst shit in the world. Yo, congrats. I think I almost tried to, like, you know, give it a little.

[Mal]

No, you did.

[Joe Budden]

And she was like, I'm not pregnant. I was like, holy shit.

[Rory Farrell]

Nah. But you could spot the eye. You could eye the ball, right? You could eye the eight ball.

[Joe Budden]

Damaris. If you would have saw this, anybody fresh out the Chipotle, anybody would have been thrown off by this. She looked. It was like. It was a.

[Julian]

It was showing.

[Joe Budden]

It was a bulge. It was a pregnant stomach. And she was like, I'm not pregnant. I was like, oh, my. I had some tims and my feet went like this in my timbs.

[Mal]

And I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

I was like, oh, my God. That's the worst shit you can do in the world is telling a woman, congrats. And, like, she has a big stomach, and she's like, I'm not pregnant.

[Mal]

I'm not shooting at you because you claim that I did that on purpose. This is just actually the truth. She didn't look that pregnant like you. That was a very arrogant call. She didn't, like, look. I mean, she could have been pregnant, but at that point, you just gotta, like, not even try it because it was debatable.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that was bad. Like, that was bad.

[Mal]

She.

[Joe Budden]

That was bad.

[Mal]

It's wasn't like she nine months, like, walking like this and shit, but she looked like she just had a stomach.

[Joe Budden]

She looked like she could have been three and a half, four with twins. It was that type of stomach. It was like three months, but it's two in there. You know what I mean? Like, it was like, it ain't. She ain't wobbling yet.

[Mal]

One in the possible.

[Joe Budden]

But it was like, right here and it was round. It was like, oh, okay. Like, congrats.

[Rory Farrell]

Or maybe she had a tumor. People get tumors in their stomachs.

[Mal]

Could have been stage four. Yeah, I can't smell it.

[Julian]

You didn't smell it out.

[Joe Budden]

She didn't fart. She did fart.

[Mal]

That was the thing.

[Joe Budden]

She should have fought it right there. I would have been like, oh, damn. Sorry to hear that.

[Mal]

How should I apologize?

[Rory Farrell]

Don't, please. You're about to make it worse.

[Julian]

I'll tell you what won't help.

[Rory Farrell]

You're trying to make yourself.

[Julian]

Yeah, she listens to this far.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't there, so. Hey, listen, I'm just laughing at content.

[Mal]

You're a. I felt so bad.

[Julian]

Rory came up to me afterwards and said, oh, did you see that's and such.

[Joe Budden]

And boy. I was like, yeah.

[Julian]

He goes, you met him. I was like, yeah, nice guy. He goes. I said the most up thing to him, and I knew immediately why did he.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I knew how he's thinking already.

[Rory Farrell]

You had limb humor, Dick.

[Mal]

No, I feel like I would have had a. If I really wrote material, it would have been better than that, and I'm not going to get into it, but. No, it would have been much better.

[Rory Farrell]

No, it's cool.

[Mal]

It's cool.

[Julian]

Listen, I have no hands.

[Rory Farrell]

Please don't bring it up to. Please don't bring it up to them because it's just you making.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, we just bring it up on the show. It's all good.

[Mal]

Yeah. No, no. No one's gonna hear this.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

How'd you guys like the party, though? Not bad. Damn.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, no, I was. I didn't want to talk over him. I was waiting for him to answer first.

[Julian]

No, we. We hung out for the most part.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Did a little. The. What do you call it? The More Station.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

Very nice.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, we thought we was running sports station. I have fun. You. It was really nicely decorated in here. Like, I didn't feel like I was, like, in my office and there was a birthday party. Like, it was really, really nice.

[Mal]

Yeah, it was fun. It was the EO DJ set and Amar's birthday party are like the last two times I can remember of, like, genuine fun.

[Julian]

They want to talk about.

[Mal]

I just said I just was happy. Like, it was amazing.

[Julian]

Should we tell them all what song was playing?

[Rory Farrell]

No, we're just. We're gonna let it rock.

[Joe Budden]

We're a little rock song playing with.

[Julian]

When people were initially showing up, there was a certain artist playing remix to.

[Rory Farrell]

Ignition was playing when I walked into a one year my child's birthday party.

[Joe Budden]

Who was playing that?

[Mal]

Rory was from my phone. I didn't mean.

[Joe Budden]

You still have that music in your phone.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory Farrell]

No, tell the truth. No, no, please, we're being honest here. No, tell who's playing.

[Mal]

Somebody that works for us. Year one.

[Joe Budden]

Oh God.

[Mal]

Has a lot of great playlists. And again, I was extremely overwhelmed with the beginning of that party of making sure everything was okay. And it's the first playlist in my Apple music playlist is the playlist that this gentleman created. And it's a great one. I've never made it to the end of the playlist though. Song 40 or 50 is like back to back R. Kelly songs.

[Joe Budden]

At a one year old's birthday party. You let.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't think he noticed because he was like running around.

[Julian]

But I walked in, a lot of people noticed.

[Rory Farrell]

And crystal popping on the Rush island. I said what the. We got food.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory Farrell]

The party was catered. I said where the am I at?

[Mal]

These kids need to learn the classics.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Not from that artist though. That's sick to be playing.

[Mal]

If I would have had another arm, I could have changed the song.

[Rory Farrell]

Like if it was your birthday party, I would have yelled at you later. But I would let you get your off.

[Mal]

But like okay, I will take the blame for it. I am trying to throw it on Carl. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. I wanted to blame Carl, but I did. I did play that playlist. You guys can all lie to everyone on camera right now since you don't have to take the blame for it. Was it kind of nice to hear R. Kelly again?

[Rory Farrell]

No, because I personally.

[Mal]

And you don't hear them anymore.

[Rory Farrell]

So I get separate sometimes.

[Mal]

If it's not your fault. Step in the Name of Love is just playing a target. I mean I didn't play it and it's fuck R. Kelly and I'm never going to participate.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes.

[Mal]

But if it's playing, I'm not going to be that mad that an artist I once loved.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I can hear his music again. So you're welcome.

[Rory Farrell]

Step in the Name of Love is was hard for me to let go the rest of it. I had such a nasty taste in my mouth when I like once I find out a song was like inspired by an underage girl. The song don't hit for me to same. It just don't hit for me the same. I'm sorry.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Just no reason to ever play any of his music at anybody's Birthday party, actually.

[Julian]

Especially your one year old daughter.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Even she's too young for the Kels.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Even he would be like, yo, come on. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

At least 10 more years.

[Julian]

Few more years.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, come on, man.

[Mal]

What was also very funny about the birthday party. Like, outside of the beauty of like watching my friends. Kids play with my kid and like just, you know, the things that are dad stuff. Amazingly beautiful about first birthdays is watching worlds collide. So of course KIA had her family, her friends here, and I had mine. Trying to fend off some of my friends that are snipers. Like, I was like in the rafters, top five dead or alive snipers. Talk to some of kia's very innocent. Looking for a relationship friends. Was also why I needed a third arm to do anything.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I bring up the arm I had tapped KIA a few times of like, hey, I dirty Mac. I was dirty. Macking on my own friends throughout the entire party because some of kia's friends are just so innocently minded and like, that dude's gonna ruin. He's gonna ruin her life.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you don't.

[Mal]

He's going to ruin. No, I see. I can see it in her eyes. She's looking at him. They're gonna tonight.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but he.

[Rory Farrell]

Jesus Christ.

[Mal]

And he is not gonna text her back.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but Rory, you don't. You don't go into the forest and when a guy has a fucking baby. A baby deer in the troch here and say, hey, guy, not that one.

[Rory Farrell]

Not that.

[Mal]

Yeah, I know. That's what I was doing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you don't. You don't. You don't say, hey, listen, bail. You let. You let. You let nature take his course, man.

[Rory Farrell]

She had a sniper on her crew too, when I saw it.

[Joe Budden]

She had a female sniper.

[Mal]

Oh, no, no, no, no. KIA has snipers. I'm talking. I was trying to defend the snipers off of the ones that are army reserves. They don't even go to battle.

[Joe Budden]

You can't call female snipers. No, there's a word for female snipers. Snipers stuff. I'm not gonna say.

[Rory Farrell]

There's a word for male snipers too. It doesn't matter. They still snipers.

[Joe Budden]

Cool.

[Mal]

The man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Female snipers are not snipers. We know what they are. Let them be that. I'm not gonna say it, though. There.

[Rory Farrell]

There is a such thing as a female sniper.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

Yeah, Horse. That's what we were getting at.

[Julian]

I. I was trying to, you know.

[Joe Budden]

Are you okay? What the is wrong?

[Mal]

Yeah, I've been really like your Curls.

[Joe Budden]

Are not curled all the way over. Your bang is not banged.

[Julian]

I was trying to think of an equivalent in the. The army world, and then I was like, oh, no, just horse in the army world. And I spent all day yesterday throwing up. It's been a shitty run for me.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, you hung over female sniper.

[Julian]

No, I'm not hungover. I just had a stomach bug.

[Mal]

You know what, J. I knew she was a sniper, and I'm sure we're talking about the same girl.

[Joe Budden]

She had ass.

[Mal]

I. No, I had to respect.

[Julian]

It's a great follower.

[Joe Budden]

Does she have ass? You're not answering.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't. I don't even know.

[Mal]

I've never looked. I don't.

[Joe Budden]

The marriage. You don't know if she had ass.

[Rory Farrell]

Or not looking at her.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, you're going to look at a woman's ass? Yes.

[Rory Farrell]

Not all women.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, so does she. She.

[Mal]

I mean, she gets surgery, so she might have. I just really don't look at her body.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I wasn't.

[Julian]

Oh, that one.

[Mal]

This is how I know. I. I didn't respect her gun. Like, I knew she was a sniper.

[Joe Budden]

You.

[Mal]

Yo, if you would. We all know Loyon, right?

[Joe Budden]

Was. Was. Was he here?

[Mal]

I'm not. I'm not here to. To.

[Joe Budden]

He was here.

[Rory Farrell]

Doc was at the party.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yo, I know.

[Julian]

You know, he was fitted up.

[Joe Budden]

He was.

[Mal]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

He was laying on his stomach, but nah, ass up.

[Julian]

Lion's a no scoper.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he just. He just shoot from the hip. He just picks up a blade of grass, watch the wind take it. He like, oh, I know what to do with this one.

[Mal]

Why I respect. Why I respect this young woman's sniper game, and I should have respected it more, is I know the type of guys that she snipes. And once she learned about like Lorian's pedigrees. For those that don't know, he's our business manager, my financial advisor. He's. He's the goat. Once she found out like his resume.

[Julian]

He's the money man.

[Mal]

I've never seen her snipe someone like Loyon before. And she was in that corner getting to work, going crazy while Ignition was playing. Going to work.

[Joe Budden]

I like that. I like girls that step to the business like that.

[Mal]

Nah, she. She said, well, he does what I.

[Rory Farrell]

Bet that's how it beat up. That's how it be though. Yeah, I know what a look like.

[Joe Budden]

What are you on?

[Rory Farrell]

What do you do, first of all.

[Mal]

An attractive man, don't you.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, no, that's crazy.

[Mal]

He listens to this podcast.

[Joe Budden]

That's something that men will never see.

[Mal]

He sends you your check, by the way. He's the one that wires you.

[Rory Farrell]

Everybody know Loyal's my favorite team member. And I love Loyal.

[Joe Budden]

What he look like? A man could never say, yo, what she look like?

[Rory Farrell]

Like, y'all see that all the time. Who's y'all do that all the time?

[Joe Budden]

Man, you just.

[Julian]

Your first question.

[Rory Farrell]

You just told me that the other day. You ugly.

[Joe Budden]

When I was like 18, 19.

[Julian]

But you said about her ass was fat.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. How old was I?

[Julian]

I don't.

[Joe Budden]

I wasn't a man yet. I was a lost boy in the streets of the Bronx trying to find my way back home.

[Mal]

Lost boy in the bro.

[Joe Budden]

Bronx is great movie. Yeah. How's that an ao Talk about what you lost.

[Mal]

What was you doing, where he was.

[Joe Budden]

Going, who he was following Ass.

[Julian]

That's fair. I mean, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Not man ass. So don't. Don't try to make it gay. See, look at you.

[Julian]

Oh, they get bbl, so you never know. It could be.

[Joe Budden]

Stop, man.

[Mal]

Don't do it. So. So we stayed like after everyone left, a few of us stayed in the office till pretty late. Just kicking it.

[Joe Budden]

Kicking it. Right.

[Mal]

And after I tried to dirty Mac for so long. My dirty macking did not work.

[Rory Farrell]

Nope.

[Mal]

That girl was open and ready to go. And I had to ask my friend, can you not her? Because it's gonna interrupt my life.

[Joe Budden]

Who.

[Julian]

What can you bleep? Who was there?

[Rory Farrell]

We'll talk about it after.

[Mal]

You don't. You don't know. Mall probably knows a. He's from Harlem. Everyone in Harlem knows Everybody. Yeah. 7th Ave. You know his name is Street.

[Joe Budden]

I go, he from 7th.

[Mal]

I know that sniper on.

[Joe Budden]

A sniper on 7th. I know that he got like 40 bodies. Want some? I know he.

[Mal]

He's the dark skinned guy with the greatest smile. He's charming, tall. Like everything. It's. It. It's hard to resist when a young white girl that has never seen.

[Joe Budden]

Never had that.

[Mal]

Seen that before.

[Joe Budden]

She never had chocolate in her diet before.

[Mal]

And I just. Was it wrong of me to ask him that? Like, just please don't fuck her. Because it. It's going to come back to me. We blended worlds. And if you start fucking Kia's friends. I know him. No relation. He was not going to text her the next.

[Joe Budden]

We grown. We grown. We grow.

[Mal]

I don't need that grown. My life grown.

[Joe Budden]

We grown.

[Julian]

So he didn't do it.

[Rory Farrell]

Be different if he was pursuing, but I don't Then you can say. Then you can say, like, if he's pursuing something with her, then you can't say, please don't do that. Because if he's actually pursuing something, you might be you grown. No, what I'm saying is he can't say that because it's like he might be. He might be looking for love. And if he's looking for love, she's looking for love. It might work out. You don't want to keep somebody from their social.

[Joe Budden]

He's not looking. He's looking for head.

[Rory Farrell]

If he's looking for head, then. No, you can say, don't do that. He's not even really looking for that.

[Mal]

He asked me if this part of the studio was soundproof while we were all in the front room.

[Rory Farrell]

No, he did.

[Mal]

He was stupid.

[Joe Budden]

He's a. That can never come back here again when they start asking questions.

[Mal]

Actually, a really, really nice guy.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But when start asking questions like that, it's like, yo, what you trying to get off in here?

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, Rory was going crazy. Rory was. Rory was telling everybody business. Telling. Telling trap secrets to motherfuckers. Wait, I look over. Niggas giggling. They like, yo, Damaris, she was in the studio.

[Mal]

I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I did, too.

[Joe Budden]

See, we just had a conversation about not having parties here in the workplace, not having alcohol. And y'all just.

[Mal]

It was. First of all, it was a kid's birthday. It's the R. Kelly thing.

[Joe Budden]

It's alcohol in the hallway on the floor.

[Mal]

Oh, no, there's plenty of alcohol.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, exactly.

[Rory Farrell]

See, you think we was about to listen to some screaming ass kids.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Sober.

[Julian]

They found the rubber chickens, too. So that was.

[Rory Farrell]

And they decapitate. Decapitated all of our rubber.

[Julian]

A lot of noise.

[Joe Budden]

What kid decapitated. That's the little kid you need to watch.

[Mal]

He's all of them.

[Joe Budden]

No, he's a school shooter in training.

[Rory Farrell]

Brit's son, actually.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, he's a school shooter in training.

[Rory Farrell]

X is not a. X is not a school.

[Joe Budden]

You just find chickens in a. In a random place, and you just start popping the heads off. Watch that kid. He's. He's telling you something. You know what? Kids come home, they have a draw. Yeah. Judas did. Hey, Mommy. And then he's holding you and daddy's head like this. Watch that. Watch that little nigga. Something ain't right with him. I don't know what to tell you. Like, a kid comes in here, finds rubber chickens, and he pops the heads off. Yeah. Watch him he go to the bathroom. I'm right by the door waiting for him to come out. What you was doing in there?

[Julian]

And there's matchbooks all over this office.

[Joe Budden]

Well, because you were doing your magic trick.

[Julian]

Playing with fire.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

So anyways, I just didn't want him to. Kia's friend.

[Joe Budden]

Now you. You grown. Let them. No, they're grown. They're adults.

[Mal]

You know. And I'm not trying to make a. You haven't been in a relationship joke before. But sometimes when. No, you're in a relationship and your friends. Your girl's friends.

[Joe Budden]

So what?

[Mal]

And don't talk to them anymore. It ends up being part of your life. No, you have to hear about it.

[Joe Budden]

That's when you tell your girl, yo, your girl is a grown woman. I'm not talking about this in my household. That's your friend is how old. She's a grown ass woman.

[Mal]

No, I'm trying to create a peaceful environment.

[Joe Budden]

It is peaceful.

[Mal]

They're both adults. They both wanted to each other. But I don't want the. I don't want the. That didn't hear about it.

[Joe Budden]

It's not your problem.

[Rory Farrell]

His birthday is in May. Now what if we throw a party for Rory then they both dared and awkward.

[Joe Budden]

They're grown adults. Y'all can get the out of here with that weird.

[Mal]

I think you're missing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Two adults chose to.

[Mal]

They're consenting adults that want to.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly.

[Mal]

Saying I don't want the headache. Because I know the result of this. And I'm telling that girl looking up at him like, bro, how come he's not texting me back? Because that's who he. He okay women and keeps it moving. He's a very honest human being.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, Rory, why didn't you tell us that? Why did you keep him from. Because now her heart broke.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I didn't. Because you're grown. And that's none of my fault. Business. How about that? And I'm not sitting in my household talking about that. I'm feeding my daughter right now. Everybody shut the up.

[Julian]

I have no arm.

[Joe Budden]

You got to take your nuts, Rory, and swing the motherfuckers around your living room sometimes with no drawers on. That's what you got to do. Let them know. Listen, I got two big spaldings under these boxes. And I'm not talking about this today. My friend fucked your girl because that's what two adults wanted to do. They wanted to fuck. Now don't bring that to my fucking house. Because now she's crying because he didn't fucking call her after dropping that pipe off in her. That ain't got nothing to do with me. All right, Baby Shark is on. Clip it. Yo.

[Julian]

Go ahead, Mac.

[Joe Budden]

You mean that's a part of my religion? No, it's not too small. Take your fucking nuts, pull your boxes up here and show the motherfuckers. If you.

[Mal]

First of all, my nuts were clipped January 30, 2023. I lost any bit of control I've had in my life. My household is run by women. It's only women in there. No, but you, my mom, Kia and Amara.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, you still got.

[Mal]

I had lost my nuts.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, man.

[Mal]

So long ago.

[Joe Budden]

You are Irish. Go back, dig into your roots, all right? Have a Heineken, a Guinness, and drag your nuts around your house. Yeah, he your Freddy. Yeah. She's crying. She's gonna make her a better woman, though. She ain't gonna do it again, right? She's an adult. She's a grown ass woman. She wanted to, he wanted to. They fucked. He didn't call it no more. She's crying. Why am I talking about this?

[Mal]

Because it's my friend.

[Julian]

But say. Ok. Say you did the thing where you tried to dirty Mac and they still went home and fucked. And then he did what he was gonna do, not talk to her again. Then what? Do you still feel away?

[Mal]

You did. I didn't dirty Mac to her. So it wasn't. I dirty macked with Kia, and I dirty macked him to his face of like. Don't. Please don't.

[Rory Farrell]

It was Kia's job to tell her friend that. Hey, he ain't. That's kind of false.

[Mal]

But what's kind of funny is Kia was more on mall side. They gonna let him. I'm like, all right, cool. When she texts both of us in our group chat, I'm not replying.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

About the group.

[Mal]

That's an emotional ass, girl.

[Joe Budden]

You know that little half moon on the. On the options of the chat. Turn that on. Yeah, I don't want to hear about that. I ain't got nothing to do with that. That's not my business. Two adults. I don't. I don't. Yo, hey. It is what it is, Ma.

[Rory Farrell]

When you with one bitch, do you put the hide alerts on for. For your other bitches?

[Joe Budden]

Hide alerts? Who you talking to, man? Hot alerts. You know who paid his bill? Me.

[Mal]

Well, alerts are what? Just the things that pop up, like when you.

[Rory Farrell]

No, you can hide. You can hide alerts for specific contacts.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, See, I ain't. That's too much work.

[Mal]

I don't even know.

[Rory Farrell]

It ain't too. It's right in the text message thing. Under share your location, you can put alerts.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not creeping. So.

[Rory Farrell]

So then when that person texts you or anything, your phone sounded beyond when everybo else texts you. But when that person texts you, it will not alert you until you go in the. The app and go to their thing. It'll tell you. They text you.

[Julian]

I put my phone on DND for dates, but that's just out of respect.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

Whenever Julian's on DND at 7pm on a Saturday, I'm like, oh, he getting some.

[Mal]

I also had a very interesting conversation with a friend of mine at the party. I'm starting to realize that I think some of my friends never raised their kids that I thought were like, fathers. Why are y'all so readily available? I've known some of my friends have had kids for up to 15 years old. Why were you always available?

[Joe Budden]

Like, now or just throughout the whole time?

[Mal]

They've had talking with a friend of mine whose daughter is 2 months difference between Amara and neither of us have seen the light of day in a year. And we were tr. We were going through our friend list and I don't know if this is shady, but. But once you become a parent, it's like, Howie, like, I hung out with you all the time, and I thought you were a good father. Like, you were free all the time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but, I mean, wisdom.

[Mal]

Did you raise your kid?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but if you want to hang out with me, I have a kid, and it's 10:00 at night, the kid is probably home, sleep with my. My girl. Like, that doesn't mean I'm not a good parent, because I'm not home. Sleep at 10 o'clock, and my kid is.

[Mal]

Okay, that's one small scenario. I'm talking like, I was. We were in our twenties, single, running around. You were there every night.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, not about every night. That's crazy.

[Mal]

You was at the day parties. You.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. See that?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, we was the night party.

[Mal]

We was just. We wasn't having a party. We was just chilling during the day. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, some.

[Mal]

I don't even know what that looks like.

[Joe Budden]

Some people don't know what raising a kid. They think that you just, you know, I pay the rent. Okay. That doesn't mean you're raising your child, but the rent is paid. Like, that's a step. Thank you.

[Mal]

And, I mean, I'll probably flush the idea out more. But it was a. It was a whole revelation we had in this office. Like, I don't think some of our friends raised their kids the way we thought they did because they. They were always around like, how the fuck did you do that?

[Joe Budden]

Some people do the best that they can, Rory.

[Mal]

Doing the best that you can and being at every party that my single 23 year old ass is at is not doing your best.

[Joe Budden]

You got a point.

[Rory Farrell]

You're also not 23 raising a kid though.

[Mal]

What that mean?

[Rory Farrell]

What I'm saying is you don't think your mind state is.

[Mal]

Julian always sends me. That's going on. On the weekend that I wish I could go to. I would happen. I would love to be.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm not gonna let you lie. No, I'm not gonna let you lie.

[Mal]

Why you can't go because I'm have a daughter.

[Joe Budden]

Like that doesn't mean you can't go out. Are you talking about.

[Mal]

I work all week, all day. So I go straight home to be with her, get her to bed, do everything. My weekends are the time that I can spend all the time.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but if once your daughter is.

[Mal]

I already feel guilty leaving in the morning and coming back at 6pm every day. Now, I'm not about to. Of course I want to go out on certain Saturdays, but like every weekend I'm just gonna go to Ludlow.

[Joe Budden]

First of all, going out.

[Mal]

And here's the thing. I want to, but I'm not going to.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I bet you can though. Like that doesn't mean.

[Julian]

You know, I told already to bring Amara.

[Joe Budden]

But like, you're the guy.

[Julian]

No, no, no. Because nobody on the thing. Like I wouldn't be. Yo, it's the club. We got a table, bring Amara. None of that. But there's certain spaces that we hang out where you can. It's not a problem.

[Joe Budden]

Your baby is not a trophy. I'm not. I'm saying I'm not bringing my baby to hang out with me and my boys. Hang in the crib and play 2K. Like my baby's not coming with. With me. Like that's not happening.

[Rory Farrell]

I feel like that's dope though. To play 2K at the crib. That's not. If that's.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not bringing my daughter around you to play 2k. I could be home.

[Julian]

I'm. Well, specifically, I was talking about the Ludlow house example. Like we could do a day.

[Joe Budden]

Not bringing your baby to the Ludlow house, bro.

[Rory Farrell]

During the day.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, see you. See you. The parent. I'LL be getting mad at. If I go to Lolo House, you see somebody with a baby during the.

[Rory Farrell]

Middle of the day while people are working.

[Julian]

Yeah, there's mad kids there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, people are working in Lolo House, too.

[Julian]

That's what we're also talking about. A Saturday.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like a party at night that I would love to go to, but I don't do that because I'm also a partner. Like, we don't have a nanny. Like, also, they need breaks. Like, that's also, like, to your point of, like, when I saw you, a baby sleep with mom. Like, mom needs a break, too.

[Joe Budden]

No. 100. But what I'm saying some nights. I'm not saying every night. Go out now, first of all.

[Mal]

But that's what I'm talking about.

[Joe Budden]

No, no. Nobody.

[Mal]

Every parent deserves to go out on the weekend.

[Joe Budden]

Absolutely.

[Mal]

No one's all right. No one's a shitty parent for going out on the weekends. I'm not saying that every week. Not even.

[Joe Budden]

Crazy, though.

[Mal]

I'm talking about. You were with us every.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Mal]

And night.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy.

[Mal]

And it's a couple of our friends.

[Joe Budden]

That I'm like, that's wild how people be raising their kids. That ain't. That's not a shock to me. People don't. People don't take care of their kids. Like, that's just a. You know, it's up. But that's a very common thing. Like. Like, people don't take care of their kids.

[Mal]

Is the clock started on Ice Spice?

[Joe Budden]

You've been. Yo, you've been calling about this clock.

[Julian]

Every time she puts it.

[Joe Budden]

Last time you said the clock was on, she came out with a Dunkin Donuts collab, bro. Like, the clock ain't on, bro.

[Mal]

I thought I was saying the clock over Sexy Red, not Ice Spice.

[Rory Farrell]

No, you said Ice Spice over Sexy Red.

[Mal]

No, the clock I said was. Was Sexy Red Ice Spice. I said they're gonna put all the money behind her.

[Joe Budden]

No, you had a clock on Ice Spice, too, though.

[Julian]

You clocked Ice Spice.

[Mal]

It's all recorded, so I could be wrong. Is the clock on Ice Spice? I'll ask again.

[Joe Budden]

No, thank you.

[Rory Farrell]

The. No, you're not even a fault.

[Joe Budden]

It's not as bad as you want it to be. It's not.

[Mal]

I like Ice Spice.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I'm saying you. You sound like you want the clock. You. Oh, wait, you think the clock is on.

[Mal]

I think the clock started on Friday when this came out.

[Rory Farrell]

I think you thought the clock started.

[Joe Budden]

With Deli what are you talking.

[Rory Farrell]

I think you're old enough.

[Mal]

I like Deli.

[Rory Farrell]

I think you're older, not a touch. And I say that with love because I'm also old. But I think you're old and out of touch. The clock is not on Ice Spice. She has the kids, okay?

[Mal]

Even with the kids. See, y'all are the ones that are wrong. I give the kids more credit than y'all do.

[Julian]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Nope.

[Mal]

How much longer are the kids going to enjoy legitimately the exact same bars and be for every song?

[Julian]

Now she farted on. This one is better.

[Mal]

I give the kids more credit. I think they're gonna get sick of this eventually. You guys look at the kids as idiots that, you know, they'll just listen to anything that you.

[Joe Budden]

You think talks about you thinking too much into the art for kids. As long as it's a beat and, you know, the young. The young girls could shake and twerk and all of that, it's gonna go.

[Mal]

Yeah, but then they, like, they age well.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I mean, but it's still, you know.

[Mal]

So you think this can work every single time for the next five years?

[Joe Budden]

I've seen a lot of artists have the same flow, same cadence, same beat. And we call them legends. And I'm not naming who name them.

[Julian]

Seth.

[Joe Budden]

Nope. Not doing it. They're out there, though. We ran into a conversation, listen to their catalogs.

[Julian]

Rory a while ago, where I think we agreed that she's gonna run into the same issue that Dababy had. Cause she came out with a new flow, a new sound. It sounded great. But once you rinse and repeat that over the course of, like, three or four albums, it's like, okay, what are we doing it.

[Joe Budden]

I.

[Mal]

And what I. We need to put some more respect on. On the baby. If we're saying that. Why he had the same flow and a lot of same beats and liver. But don't.

[Joe Budden]

He ate.

[Rory Farrell]

The baby ate.

[Julian]

Oh, no. Yeah, he could rap. No, I'm not. Yeah, I'm not coming at the. He can actually rap.

[Mal]

This has not changed at all.

[Julian]

I just think her.

[Mal]

It's been the same. It's the same lyrics and the cadence. It's just the exact same words. It's the same words.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but that.

[Mal]

Like, how long do you think people. You can't trick people for that long. I mean, maybe I am sounding like an old hater, but there's no way you can do this for a long period of time. I actually didn't think the clock was on Ice Spice when she did the pink.

[Joe Budden]

But what did you.

[Mal]

Because I was like, oh, that's a. Still compare.

[Joe Budden]

But what are you comparing this to? Like, what is the. What is the gauge here? Because it sounds like you're comparing her to just overall, like, rap. Like, female rap. And this is not what that is.

[Mal]

I'm just Music across the board.

[Joe Budden]

She's just.

[Mal]

How long does this last?

[Joe Budden]

She's just making music that's gonna go viral. Tick tock. Girls gonna make videos to it. It's gonna stream well. Like, this is not her ep.

[Mal]

I. I like. Yeah, I think the Princess Diana record's great. I think. Well, Deli was after that. But I've really liked a lot of Ice Spice music.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but this is you.

[Mal]

Come on.

[Joe Budden]

This format is going to work for what she's doing.

[Rory Farrell]

Stop capping. You walked in here and said, be quick, but I'm quicker. Don't do that. You know the lyrics already. Don't do that.

[Mal]

Yeah, because she said them on every song.

[Rory Farrell]

Be thick, but I'm thicker.

[Mal]

I memorized Munch. I know the lyrics of this song too, because I memorized Munch.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but what I'm saying.

[Rory Farrell]

He's not saying the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but this is the same as computer's Putin.

[Julian]

They do, though.

[Joe Budden]

Bitches is quick, but I'm quicker. Computers Putin is the same shit.

[Mal]

So Cam'ron and Ice Spice are the same.

[Joe Budden]

That's not what I said. See, you see how fast. You see how fast the narrative would change? That's not what I said. I'm saying the bars, the line. It's like, you get it? Her audience does not Like. These are not hip hop aficionados. Wait, all right, see, this is just gonna. This is gonna go viral. This is just gonna be clips that girls are gonna post videos to like. Like, that's all this is for.

[Mal]

I've been articulating myself.

[Rory Farrell]

Does the virality have lasting 4?

[Mal]

This can't be the response or rollout to the next Ice Spice album. Like, it can't. This is not going to work that long. It'll work for this year. And after that, the kids are going to smarten the fuck up. This is the same fucking song every single time.

[Joe Budden]

You said that last year.

[Mal]

I said Sexy Red. I didn't say Ice Spice.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, he did say.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, you said Sexy Red. She's still here. She ain't going nowhere.

[Mal]

Because she's been chilling how her baby shower makes her go viral. She doesn't need to put music out. She is an entertainer. Her essence of a human Being is what people like. She's not really the music.

[Joe Budden]

Ice Spice and Sexyy Red is one and the same, though.

[Mal]

No, Ice Spice be putting music.

[Joe Budden]

They're both. They're both like. They've reached this point of where they're both almost like characters.

[Julian]

Ice Spice is definitely a character.

[Joe Budden]

They're characters. Sexy Red is a character, too.

[Mal]

They're caring 100%.

[Joe Budden]

No disrespect. Not in a disrespectful way.

[Mal]

I know what you're saying every time.

[Joe Budden]

You say not in a disrespectful way, but they're like. When they're, you know, people that follow them, see them in public, it's like, oh, shit. It's like when we were kids and we saw a guy in a fucking costume on 42nd Street.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And it's like, oh, shit. Like, you know, you just take a picture, you want to say, what's up? Like, it's the same shit. But these are just artists.

[Mal]

Nope. I'm going to articulate myself better now. They are drastically different because if Sexyy Red puts out five flops, awful records. People like her personality, who she is, what she represents her. They love her. Sexy Red, Ice Spice. I'm gonna be addict. No, she does. She doesn't have a personality. People like her music. She has videos. It's not her.

[Joe Budden]

It's not.

[Mal]

It's not her that they love. They love what's going on with.

[Joe Budden]

She's like a music video. You're getting it mixed up. Just because her personality is not the same as the Ice Spice. I mean, as a Sexy Red doesn't mean that she doesn't have personality. This is her personality. She's more like laid back until it's time for you to see her rap or perform. Like, you're not gonna just see her, like, talking much and doing shit like that. She's very.

[Mal]

Who would continue to have a career if both of them put out flops and people stop wanting to listen to their music? Who's going to continue to have a career? Sexy Red or Ice Spice?

[Rory Farrell]

Because the kids are more dedicated to their favorite.

[Joe Budden]

If they both flop.

[Mal]

Yeah. I'm just saying. I don't know. If they just both flop, who can continue to have a career and who can't? Sexy Red is going to. No matter what happens, Sexy Red is going to be fine.

[Joe Budden]

I think she is.

[Mal]

She could get on IG live and make a living.

[Rory Farrell]

Ice Spice is more collab friendly. She could. She could continue to have a career just doing collab. She could do that now. Now.

[Mal]

Because her music is Hot damn.

[Julian]

Ice Boys has a Taylor Swift record.

[Rory Farrell]

Even if. Even if her music. And it didn't affect her at all. Because even if her music flops, she's created herself as this curly.

[Joe Budden]

Wasn't she on the Barbie record with Nikki?

[Rory Farrell]

Yes. Fire too Curly orange headed character that kids love. She does not need to release music. A lot of kids who like Ice Spice can't even listen to her music.

[Mal]

Okay, then what. All right, so there's. Because my question was if eliminate music. Let's say they both flop and no one wants to hear their music. What is Ice Spice career? So it's a bad hypothetical. But I'm.

[Joe Budden]

She's gonna do the same thing a lot of other. These other female rappers did. They just gonna put. Attach them to brands. It's like the likeness. It's like her image. Like that's all they're gonna do. They're gonna go that route with it. You can put Ice Spice in any commercial.

[Julian]

She's already in a bunch of commercials.

[Rory Farrell]

You can make Ice Spice into a brat. You could put her in commercial. You could throw her.

[Joe Budden]

And then we ain't gonna talk about if Ice Spice get an Old Spice brand. You could go. You could throw her many ways, bro. She has that.

[Mal]

Does it matter if no one wants to hear her music?

[Rory Farrell]

No, it does not matter, bro.

[Joe Budden]

As long as she's. She's gonna get a feature. Somebody, one of these artists is going to hit her for a feature because she's. That she has. She's already instilled in that. That world of yo. People see Ice Spice, she has a fan base, she has a following. They're going to click it. They're going to want to see her video. Like, they're going to want to look at her. She. That's just where she's at. Is she ever going to put out a. A classic song or a classic album?

[Mal]

That's not what I'm.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm just saying, like we don't even have to think about that part of the game. This is a whole new different game that these artists are playing right now.

[Mal]

This is known for the music.

[Rory Farrell]

She's not.

[Mal]

You guys are actually missing my entire. I'm actually complimenting her. She's known for the music.

[Joe Budden]

That's great. But when I'm.

[Mal]

She doesn't have. She's not sexy Red. She doesn't have a personality outside of that video and song that we're watching.

[Joe Budden]

But she does though.

[Julian]

She does to you.

[Rory Farrell]

She doesn't have a personality to the kids. She is. I agree. I think she's dull as an unsharpened knife too. But kids don't feel that way. They don't. I'm trying to tell you, I'll be around kids. They don't feel that way about her. They love her. They love the way that she looks. They do.

[Mal]

So then what does she do after?

[Rory Farrell]

She could do anything the same way you said.

[Mal]

So if no one wants to listen to her music, Dunkin Donuts is still gonna with her. Like, come on.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, first of all, Duncan like the point.

[Mal]

Y'all actually sound insane.

[Joe Budden]

But even if Duncan don't want to with it, other brands will.

[Rory Farrell]

Y. Oh, no.

[Mal]

She can go get a fashion Nova deal. I'm not saying she can't do that.

[Joe Budden]

Now I'm with you.

[Mal]

I'm talking about the level. She's Grammy nominated right now. Taylor Swift record. We're talking about where she is right now. That girl was sitting next to Taylor Swift every camera angle.

[Rory Farrell]

It's all music related though. If you take away music, of course she's not going to have the big music related deals. But saying that her career is over is not true. She can go. That girl can go on tick tock and have a dedicated tick tock career and make millions.

[Mal]

Missing my. Of course she can go get a fashion Nova deal. As long as she looks attractive and people like her. She's going to make. I'm not telling you, she's going to go broke. She in no way is going to have the looks that she has now without the music.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, of course.

[Mal]

And I'm saying, and I'm saying if she continues to put out the same record, people are going to catch on, the kids included. And she's going to lose all the leverage that she has if she continues to put out the same song. And that goes for all the drill drums. I love them. You guys should start thinking of another strategy because in two years, no one's gonna be with Drill drums.

[Joe Budden]

I like how Rory says so things so matter of factly and then when he's wrong, he's like, the kids are stupid. You can't say that. They're not in two years, but they're not gonna with that. I didn't think they would be with Drill this long. How many years are we in?

[Rory Farrell]

Very true.

[Joe Budden]

So I mean, I can't say all that. I just know that somebody like Ice Spice has a very long shelf life because she's a character. She has that look, she has that image she has that personality. Although you think she doesn't have a personality.

[Mal]

She has come out with the image they've given her.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I'm just saying. And then what happens when she wants to rebrand her image? There's always that part of her career, too. Now she's a little older. When she gets a little older, she can kind of rebrand her image a little bit.

[Julian]

Old Spice.

[Joe Budden]

She's dating, you know, somebody that's. That's popular. You know how that go, man. You know, they're gonna give her the bells and whistles. Oh, yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

She get a relationship. It's when she start her relationship rap to the moon.

[Joe Budden]

This got me cooking in a deli.

[Rory Farrell]

Wait, I'm saying no, no more.

[Joe Budden]

Six months. I'm just showing my belly, you know, that's. I don't know what they saying.

[Mal]

I secretly think all of you agree with me. You guys just want a minute?

[Rory Farrell]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

That's the same thing that Charles Manson said at his trial.

[Mal]

He technically didn't kill anyone.

[Joe Budden]

Technically. Right.

[Mal]

He didn't.

[Joe Budden]

I know.

[Mal]

He was a petty car thief.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I know.

[Rory Farrell]

If Rory gonna do anything, I love the beach.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna not be wrong.

[Rory Farrell]

Technically.

[Joe Budden]

Technically, technicality. Yeah. That's how this country was founded. We have voicemails. You've got mail.

[Mal]

I want to keep arguing about this.

[Joe Budden]

I know you do.

[Rory Farrell]

No, we don't.

[Julian]

No, we don't. Yeah, yeah, let's play this voicemail. So this is a. It's interesting. This guy reconnected with his.

[Mal]

His dad is his dad Ice Spice.

[Joe Budden]

And he called us.

[Mal]

That's the only I want to talk about.

[Julian]

Well, actually, this call kind of has to go with the Nikki and Meg drama.

[Mal]

Okay, I'm here.

[Joe Budden]

Yo.

[Mal]

So I kind of got a crazy one for you guys today. I'm just freestyling off the top of.

[Joe Budden]

My head, so bear with me here. So I'm 30 years old. I just met my dad for the.

[Mal]

First time last year. And one of the few things, one of the only things I know about him is that he got my mom pregnant when my mom was 12 years old. And he was definitely older than 18.

[Julian]

You know what I mean?

[Mal]

And so my mom had me when she was 13, super young and obviously a fucked up situation, you know what I mean? And the fact that I just met him, I don't want to rock the boat, you know what I mean? And really ask questions and pry, but that just. That stays in the back of my head of how up that is. I think he was something like maybe like 20 or something if my math is right. And my mom was 12 when they got together and made me. So is there a right way or a good way to go about asking about this? Do I just sweep it under the rug and you don't ask questions at all? I'm really stuck with this one, so any advice would be appreciated.

[Joe Budden]

Is his dad called Malone?

[Rory Farrell]

Are you okay?

[Joe Budden]

I'm just asking. Okay, well, first of all, watch it.

[Julian]

Actually.

[Joe Budden]

Your dad was 12 and your mom was. Your dad was 20, your mom was 12.

[Mal]

I'm not a dick for saying I don't have any arms. That guy just poured his heart out and you asked if his dad was Carl Malone. Just as much as an asshole that I. Mailman.

[Rory Farrell]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Cause Karl Malone had it.

[Mal]

I'm aware. Yeah, he's a fucking piece of shit.

[Joe Budden]

13 year old girl, something like that. First of all, this is, you know, that's a lot because this is real person, this is family. She's your mom and your dad you're talking about. But as a grown man, I would have that conversation with my dad for sure, 100%.

[Rory Farrell]

But what's the conversation?

[Joe Budden]

I would want to know. My dad's thinking, like, yo, what type of, what type of person are you? Like, why would you. How? Well, first of all, I'm. It's fucked up. But I wouldn't be here if you didn't. Right, so that's why it's a fucked up situation. But it's like, I want to know the thinking though, like, of a 20 year old adolescent teenager. What is your mentality behind actually laying down and having sexual intercourse with a 12 year old girl? Like what is what? Like what's in your mind, like what's going through your head? Like, because now you're gonna figure out other things like why he wasn't in your life, like what type of person is he? It's again, it's a little awkward because had he not done that, you probably wouldn't be here. But now that you're here and you a grown man and you know things that you know. And one day I don't know if he has kids or not. One day he has a daughter, something like that. Just the thought, keep her away from your dad of you having a 12 year old daughter and then she pops up pregnant by a 20 year old. I don't have kids, but I would probably be in prison for life.

[Rory Farrell]

That's rape. It's rape. A 12 year old cannot. Cannot see you.

[Joe Budden]

So this is, so this is what I'm So this is what I'm saying. So was your dad not. Because again, you're going to get answers to questions. Was your dad not around because he finally realized what he did and how he felt? Like, yo, what I did was wrong.

[Julian]

I would imagine he's not around cause he was locked up or something.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever it is. I'm just saying you're gonna have a conversation and some things are gonna reveal themselves. But 100%, you can't avoid asking that. You don't have nothing to ask. If you don't start there, there's nothing to talk about. You have to start right there. Like, yo, so my mom was 12, you was 20. How does that. First of all, like you said, that's rape number one. How does. Like, so what the was you thinking?

[Mal]

I've had this exact conversation with the same gentleman that I talked about on the other voicemail segment when I asked you guys for advice. That same guy had this exact situation of how he was conceived. And we sat and talked about that when we were teenagers, like when he had an opportunity to meet his pops. And his perspective on this whole thing was like, I'd love to have a father, but I can't respect somebody raping my mom. Like, how the do you even make that make sense in your head? And his decision, which I agreed with, was just to leave it alone. Like, just don't have a relationship. As much as you want to have a father, that there. Tell me the end result. He's gonna explain it.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Then what? Like, there's no explanation to this. So just don't have a relationship with them. Yeah, like, and listen, I. I have a father, so I could never really understand what it's like to not have a father at all. So I, I can sympathize with that of like just. I just want to talk to the person that. That conceived me. Like, it's my father. I don't know anything about my family. But also, look what he did. What like, what do you think he's gonna be a good guy now? Like, that's.

[Joe Budden]

It's not about. No, there's no, there's.

[Mal]

What conclusion could you come to after that?

[Rory Farrell]

The only thing.

[Mal]

And how do you even look your mom in the eyes after too?

[Rory Farrell]

Like, only bail. I can, I can. And I'm not shooting bail to predators ever. The only thing I could think that he would be able to say to possibly semi change his son's mind about him is maybe saying, well, your mother lied about her age. I thought she was 16. That's that's the only way I can wrap my head around potentially. He was 19 or 18. 19, 20. And she was 16. He thought she was older. That's the only way I could potentially wrap my mind around even beginning to say, okay, well maybe you were young and made a bad decision. But if you're 20 years old. 19, 20 years old. And she really was 12 and you were aware that she was 12. Yeah. Tell me about like your family health history and they need to lock you up. I. He's not a good person.

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, bro, she's 12.

[Joe Budden]

It's just so, it's so many, it's so many. Like I'm trying to put myself in that situation, in that position. It's so many things that I would like I just would have to sit across from this farther aside. I would have to sit across from this guy and this, this, this dude and be like, yo, what the. What was on your mind? Like what? Like, first of all, you're sick. Number one, let's start there. You're sick. I think you know that. I think that's probably why you weren't around for years. You probably realized that you don't have it all, something wrong with you. You did some fucked up shit. Your karma is eating at you. Your fucking, you know, just your thoughts when you lay down at night are just keeping you awake. So you just isolated yourself. You rather just not be around and look at what you did and face what you did. You impregnated a 12 year old girl. But as a grown man now, and this is the reason why I'm here, I came from this situation. I. It's, it's too many questions. Like I have to know.

[Julian]

I don't think you give him like any. Not that you're saying this, but I don't think you give him like a pass or like an even inkling of a thank you because of this, I'm here. That you're still a piece of.

[Joe Budden]

No, always and forever, you're a piece of. Yeah, like I think you lead with that. First of all, you're a piece of. Yeah, start the conversation like that. First of all, you're a piece of.

[Julian]

Worlds of like. But if it hadn't happened, I wouldn't be here. I'm just a victim of a horrible circumstance. You're still a fucking awful human being.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Julian]

So I want to get to know you that.

[Mal]

The conversation I just spoke of with my friend was when we were teenagers, when we got older, he brought up a very interesting point. It's so weird that voicemails just have to always enter my actual personal life. He regretted not going because he wanted to figure out how crazy he might be. If my dad did this and this is where I came from, maybe I should figure out how up my brain could be. Like, this is. This could be like, heredit. Like, what the. My dad is clearly. Well, not dad, but the person that birthed him is nuts. Like, I should go find out how up. Maybe I'm undiagnosed with. Like, that's what the bear there should be.

[Julian]

Yeah, but, like, get the health records. You'll need a relationship with someone to get their health records.

[Mal]

I just don't think that that type of guy keeps health records, Julian. That's all I'm saying. Sometimes you need to see face to face. Oh, maybe I am bipolar. Maybe I am completely up. And I felt him when he said that to me, and I actually kind of felt bad for him to. When I told him not to go see his pops because he's like. I probably could have, like, figured out some more if I was face to face with him. I think to see that maybe, like, maybe I'm bipolar. Maybe I'm really up. Like.

[Rory Farrell]

But it also could have traumatized him in ways he didn't even know he could be traumatized.

[Julian]

I think that wouldn't have brought any closure.

[Mal]

Yeah, no, not clo. But just. All right, my dad is this. I can go get maybe the help I need with my mental.

[Julian]

If you feel that way, then look into the mental health side of things on your own. Like, on your own fruition. You don't need your dads to just do it. Like, if you're curious, go do the test. Go do the things you don't need. Him. Him.

[Joe Budden]

How many kids of serial killers become serial killers?

[Rory Farrell]

We would have to.

[Mal]

I feel like. Do serial killers, like, have kids like that?

[Julian]

True. They usually. It's kind of a flash in the pan moment.

[Mal]

Yeah. I don't know if that's, like, really.

[Joe Budden]

A thing, but either way, yeah, I would talk to him, have a conversation with him, and address a lot of the questions that I've had and talk with your mom as well. I don't know if you have. I'm not, you know, I don't. I don't know if you've ever sat down and had that talk with your mom about that whole situation, but, you know, I'm sure that's affected her in ways that maybe she hasn't expressed to you. But I definitely. I would say you Know, go get some therapy. You and your mom go together. I don't know if you're open to having your dad in that type of therapy situation, but definitely, I think you and your mom should definitely go to therapy.

[Mal]

I'm not surprised. I'm just curious how they met at 30 years old.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Like, did he find him? Like, how does his mom feel about the whole thing? Like, yes, that's. That's such a up situation.

[Joe Budden]

He's almost older than his mother and father were combined when they had him.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Sick.

[Mal]

Absolutely insane.

[Joe Budden]

Insane.

[Mal]

But I'm also think, like, if you don't have a dad, some people just want to meet their dad despite everything. But. Yeah, even if. Why do I want to meet this guy?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, but it's. Listen, man, it's hard. I'm grateful that I never was faced with that, but I can imagine that you would want to meet your father or the guy that you came from. You would just roaming the earth and going through life just not ever knowing who your dad was. I mean, people do it, but to me, that would be the most I would think about that. It wouldn't be a day that goes by that I wouldn't think about that.

[Rory Farrell]

So this is. I think he said 30 years later. Right. Or something along that he's 30.

[Joe Budden]

Because he's 30. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

So what do we say if the dad got help? What do you say about potentially building a relationship with him?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mal]

I would need to, like, know the whole scenario. No, like, also to your point before, of like, did he know she was that age? And like, I mean, man, she's. I'm shooting bail. Like, yeah, I'm shooting bail right now. Yeah, no, I'm. I'm on that side.

[Rory Farrell]

It's a conversation.

[Joe Budden]

Don't need. No. Don't need no relationship with a dude that impregnated.

[Julian]

My question is when did. Did the. Our caller here find out that that was the situation? Like, obviously he grew up with a single mom. When did he know? Like, when was it told that, hey, by the way, your dad was. I was raped at 12. And you were born at. When I was like, when did that become. When you figured.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't you figure out, well, you know how young your mother was because you know how old she is as she's raising you. Right. So you know that your mother's young.

[Julian]

That doesn't happen to, like, I don't know.

[Rory Farrell]

There's so many more, but you're old, like 10, 11. You start paying attention to how. Just how far away Your parent is in age. And as you get older, like, oh, my. Yeah, my mom had me really, really young. But until you're that age where your mother had you, when you hit 12, 13, and you're like, you had a kid at this age, you were a kid. And then, you know, Obviously he turns 18, 19, and he's like, oh, something's really wrong with that now. I don't know what age he found out that his father was so much older. But it also depends on his mother's mental health, because his mother probably didn't realize that she was raped or that that's considered rape until she was older, Much older. Because if I'm having consensual sex as a kid, I'm not old enough to realize that this isn't consensual in my head, because I want to do it and my hormones want to do it. I think that it's consensual and that I made this choice. You don't look at it as rape. Like, to this day, his mother might not look at it as if. If she was raped, she might look at like, well, I pursued him, or this. This and that. She might not look at it that way. But that depends on her mental health and how she raised her son, to look at it. So there's. There's a lot of nuances in. In aspects.

[Joe Budden]

And not only that, this is more common than very super common.

[Mal]

And to Damaris's point of her not even realizing, too, how common it is. Like, people keep sexual abusers in their family at holidays and everything. Like. Like, oh, that's just how things go. Like, that's how a lot of people look at stuff, my family included. Like, there's sexual abusers here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it.

[Mal]

Because it was so common with everyone in this house that they think it's okay. Not okay, per se, but just be quiet about it. And they, like, just be quiet. Like, it's. Some people don't realize that they were sexually abused.

[Rory Farrell]

And a lot of women are. A lot of young girls are a lot of young. Like, you see that with that whole R. Kelly situation when they're like, them girls was fast. They was fast. They wanted that. They wasn't taking advantage of. They was fast. They was grown as. Like, that's the way a lot of our community looks at young girls who end up in sexual encounters or romantic encounters. Like, they're fast. And so it's like, a lot of blame is put on them. Like, oh, you can't put the blame on the dude. Like, she Was thrown at them. She's a. Like, she hit puberty. Like, she's a horny. This is what happens with. With pre teens and teenagers. Like, they get horny and make stupid decisions, but their brains aren't developed. It doesn't mean that they're making smart decisions. It's up to the adults not to prey on them. But coming up in families, a lot of times, it's just not. It's not taught. My grandmother had. My grandmother had her kids at 14, either 13 or 14. Her first kid. Yeah, that was. But I'm just surprised if he's only.

[Mal]

To so many people that they.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. If he's only 30.

[Mal]

Don't even look at it.

[Rory Farrell]

That was shamed around that time, like, way back in the day. Like, grandmama and them especially, like, down south and stuff. It wasn't as shamed, but, like, he's only 30. That was. That was a scandal back then, for sure.

[Mal]

It's. It's super common.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. To you. Prayers to you and your mental health and figuring all of that out. I don't. I don't know how.

[Joe Budden]

I kind of want him to call back. I got so many questions.

[Mal]

I do, too.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't want to. I don't want to, you know, because this is trauma for him.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And I don't want it to come across. Like, I'm just. But it's like, I would. I have a lot of questions for him, though. Like, you know what I mean? Like, what's the relationship like with you and your mom? And, you know, when did she tell you about the situation? And, you know, there's just a lot of things that I would. I would. I would want to ask him. But either way, man, prayers to you, prayers to your mom, and hopefully y'all get some therapy and, you know, can kind of. I don't know. Again, I don't know the relationship, but hopefully I have a very loving and very, you know, trusting and protective relationship with each other. And. Yeah.

[Mal]

Also another option. Knock him out. You'll feel better.

[Rory Farrell]

Possibly.

[Joe Budden]

I would go another route, but. Manolo, shoot that piece of shit.

[Rory Farrell]

Have y'all been watching Griselda?

[Mal]

I just started the first episode.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I saw the first episode.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm on, like, episode three.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know. I'm indecisive.

[Rory Farrell]

After the first episode, I was calling her a dumb.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, indecisive.

[Rory Farrell]

It gets better.

[Joe Budden]

It looks good, though. Like, the cinematic. Like, it's shot well, but I'm just.

[Mal]

Like, I'm gonna try.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Why they Got Sofia Vergara. She's playing. She's playing Griselda, right?

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, she. She's doing an amazing job.

[Joe Budden]

Have you ever seen pictures, Blanco?

[Mal]

Yes, that's also another reason.

[Joe Budden]

Looks way better.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, hold on now, hold on now. Because they were showing pictures of Griselda when she was young. Young. When she was young. Like the age that they're portray. Well, not as young as she is now, but when she was young and she was. She was a little hot when she was young.

[Joe Budden]

When she was a Sofia Vergara. When she was younger too.

[Rory Farrell]

I know, but I mean, at the, at that point they made Sophia obviously, no disrespect. They made her uglier. She doesn't look like herself.

[Joe Budden]

Let's stop, right? Intentionally they talk, they gotta make the actress uglier. You should probably cast somebody else.

[Rory Farrell]

No, because she's.

[Mal]

Didn't they like the right. Her whole nose up and everything too?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, they really. She has like some prosthetic makeup on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but there's a bunch of ugly women that audition for roles every day.

[Julian]

Griselda was good looking when she was young. No, she was not.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, well, they might have put up a picture of somebody else. That's her right there. That's a good looking woman. What are you talking.

[Mal]

Oh, yeah, she's cute right there. That is that Griselda photo.

[Rory Farrell]

That's a good looking. You think that's beautiful woman, this.

[Mal]

I mean, you know, I don't know.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, that's a bad photo. But she wasn't like. She was. Everybody gets older.

[Julian]

Well, the point is they're making Sophia ugly as. So she could play this role.

[Rory Farrell]

At the end of the day, I'm watching the show on my episode three. And by episode three, I have forgotten that Sophia is Sophia. And I'm starting to look at Sophia as Griselda and she's doing a very, very good job.

[Mal]

Does she get smarter?

[Rory Farrell]

Yes. I mean, obviously she turns into Griselda Blanco, so yeah, she can.

[Mal]

I know that just through the whole first episode, I was like, oh, no, I was born at the wrong time. I would have been a king.

[Rory Farrell]

She was a idiot.

[Mal]

You became the goat and he was doing this.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I was. Yeah. But she gets. She gets smarter by episode two. And definitely episode. You know, it gets. It gets better for sure.

[Joe Budden]

But I mean, people don't understand about the drug. The drug game is. It's really just supply and demand. It's just that what you're supplying and what's in demand is illegal. But like, if you Know how to meet a demand with the supply. Like, it's not hard to sell drugs.

[Mal]

Okay. But also, like, if you look at someone like the real Rick Ross, you know, that's a extremely intelligent human.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

That. That guy, had he had the right opportunities, would have been a CEO, though. And I'm not saying that happens with everyone that sells drugs, but the kingpins and queen pin, like, it's Griselda. She was the.

[Joe Budden]

She was the one.

[Mal]

She was the one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You can see the difference. Like, she had to have been the most intelligent person to get that way. But it's not just knowing somebody that can get you good for a year.

[Joe Budden]

It's not. Again, it's all. It's all circumstances. Right. Because she's from Colombia, which we know the coca leaf. That's where it is. So she grew up around something that she looked at was like, oh, yeah, that's just coca leaf. Like, that ain't now when you have. You meet. If you happen to meet somebody that's in the US where they're saying, hey, people are cooking this and making a drug that is in very high demand right now. We need this. Then it's like, okay, I got people here. We'll start to do something. Then you start to learn how to manufacture and maneuver and ship things. But like, being born somewhere where. Let's say, if you grew up in Queens and it's a fucking. It's trees everywhere that all of a sudden, in fucking Peru, they're fucking smoking this tree that's just like, this shit is everywhere in Queens. Like, what the fuck? You're gonna find a way to connect with somebody over there, right? And be like, all right, how are we gonna start funneling this to get it over there?

[Rory Farrell]

Okay, well, Ma, I think you're really downplaying.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not. No, no, I'm not downplaying it, but I'm saying a lot of a dump.

[Mal]

Things like this rich selling drugs. I 100 think a dumper. Things like tip, though, have this type of run. But you got to be different in the brain.

[Joe Budden]

You have to be different.

[Mal]

You have to be a CEO.

[Joe Budden]

But again, that couldn't happen to somebody.

[Mal]

That million in Colombia.

[Julian]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

But that couldn't happen to somebody. Look at the biggest drug kingpins of all time, right? Where are most of them from? Where the drugs are from wherever the drug is, fucking where it is. So that's what I'm saying. Like, it's not that she's this fucking genius. It's like, wait, y'all Paying what for this shit? Are we gonna find a way to get this shit over there? So it takes some hustle. It takes some fucking connecting in relationships. So that to me, it's more about relationships than it is. Yo, you're a genius.

[Rory Farrell]

No, but that's what. But that's. But the genius comes in. In the relationship. That's what I'm saying. Like, yeah, it's not about the supply and demand. Like, that's obvious to a duck. It's. I'm a woman in this game. In Miami in the 80s, where ain't no rules and there's a bunch of mob. I mean, not mob bosses, but a bunch of niggas that sell this drug, that want me off this earth. And I gotta outsmart these niggas that's been doing this way longer than me. And I'm in here doing this shit by myself. That's where the genius comes in. Because, yes, there's always going to. How do I escape the cops? The cops are on my ass. How do I escape that? How do I escape the other drug dealers on my ass? How do I build new clientele when people, every sector is already locked up by a drug dealer? How do I create more revenue?

[Mal]

Talent of Pablo Escobar was not that he was born in Colombia where the product was. That's like world leadership. You're a diplomat. Like, you know how to not only deal with the government, the underworld, the cops, other drug dealers. Like you are leg. You are a legitimate businessman. Probably better than a legal businessman when it comes to real. Like, that's a talent.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, not everybody.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, there's no.

[Mal]

A lot of. If I'm in Queens and find out that everyone in Peru likes to smoke all the trees in Cunningham park, just because I'm there doesn't mean I'm gonna know for like a year. I could probably bring those plants down to Peru. But I'm. My intelligence is going to have to kick in to have a career. Well, yeah, I have to adjust. Things are going to change, like, especially with supply and demand. Laws change.

[Joe Budden]

Well, in any. First of all, in any type of business, you have to have some type of brain. Like, we know that. That goes without saying. I'm just saying a lot of the times we look at these car, these. These kingpins and these queen and these queen pens, a lot of it is they just was in an environment and then they, you know, they was. Come from very humble beginnings and they're like, listen, I gotta find a way out of this shit. Develop the right Relationships with people, though. This person's a truck driver.

[Rory Farrell]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

Let's get two of these truck drivers. Hey. Cause all the shit is they come from these. These countries that are very poor, and they just put people on a paper, put cops on the payroll, put fucking elected officials on a payroll.

[Mal]

Like, listen.

[Joe Budden]

No, I mean, it does. It takes. It definitely takes a certain level of thinking, without a doubt. But I am going to check this out, though, because I saw the first episode and I was like, honestly, the.

[Mal]

Only dumb kingpin that I can, like, really think of. And maybe it is white privilege. Sorry for my white guilt. Boston George, he was an idiot. He was. Blow is one of my favorite movies. He was said that that was white privilege, him becoming a kingpin. And I've watched his Vlad interviews and, like. Like, I know the real story against the movie. He was an idiot.

[Joe Budden]

Why do you say he was an idiot?

[Mal]

He fell into all of that. He, like, legitimately just ran into the right person and became a kingpin.

[Joe Budden]

And then. No, but that's how most of it happened.

[Mal]

No, but then why he got arrested and over so much is because he trusted everybody. Because he wasn't smart. Like, he was a.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm not gonna say that. I'm. I'm just gonna say that he was looking at it like, listen, we could all. He was dumb. We could all get rich. We could all make money. This shit could run smooth.

[Mal]

Which is dumb.

[Rory Farrell]

I think he was. He was definitely luck, me and circumstance mixed with being charismatic.

[Mal]

Charismatic. Yeah. He may have. He had that talent to be.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's why Griselda was who she was. Cause she realized that men are very weak. All she gotta do is flirt. Grab a nigga dick. He gonna think she all into her. She gonna take him to the hotel, blow his fucking head off, get the competition out the way. That's why they was calling her a black widow. She was fucking niggas and killing them. Like, oh, you think. You think I'm in love with you? Oh, you think because I sucked your dick so good, you think I love you? I'll shoot you in your forehead right now.

[Rory Farrell]

I didn't know she used to be a prostitute.

[Mal]

Boston George wouldn't have done that. Not suck dick. Shoot somebody. Like, he.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, he didn't.

[Mal]

Like, I'll even. I hate to say it from the humanity factor. Blowing someone's brains out and at the drop of a dime is a talent you need to have.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, being ruthless.

[Mal]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

Talent, yes.

[Julian]

You need that level of talent. You need that level of detachment. All I'm saying is pulling the trigger isn't. But being able to be like, okay, this is a threat. Eliminate the threat. That's not a talent.

[Joe Budden]

That's not a talent.

[Julian]

You need to assess what's best for your business.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying we're using the wrong word. That is not a talent.

[Rory Farrell]

No, it's not.

[Julian]

Not killing people isn't the talent. It's the ability to assess the situation and get people out of the way that may be harming your operations. It's not. Killing someone's not a talent. No. Kill them. Get the out of here. It's the. It's the ability to analyze this and look at it holistically and be like, oh, this person's either the mole or the up or whatever the case may be, and get him out of the way.

[Mal]

Smoke them. Yeah.

[Julian]

And have no remorse. Because that's also the To. The other skill of this is like, I can kill this person and get lunch with my family right after this.

[Joe Budden]

That's not a talent.

[Julian]

That is a sick one. But it is a talent.

[Mal]

Okay. And we're just going off the movie. Blow George was over by the gay dude. Pablo's man, everybody he should have smoked. And his own wife, who was a piece of also was trying to tell him, like, bro, everyone you in the ass. This is why you suck at this job.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, she was.

[Mal]

But she was right. Like, F. Diego, you in that everyone you over because you are not built for this. He fell into that. I'm not saying he's a dumb human being, but for that gig, he. That was right. That was white privilege. Like, you really just got that job.

[Rory Farrell]

He didn't even recognize his own mom ain't fuck with him like he's an idiot.

[Mal]

What? The mother from Blow is the worst mother of all time. But, yo, he could have avoided everything had he. Had what? Julian is talking about how you not smoking the gay dude? How are you not doing that?

[Rory Farrell]

Smoking on that? Sorry.

[Mal]

And his. And his dumb ass with his emotions believe it would not give up. What was the gay guy's name now?

[Rory Farrell]

Huh?

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Mal]

Peewee Herman. It was.

[Rory Farrell]

It was. Was it?

[Mal]

Yeah. No, it really was.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Mal]

But yeah, he did not want to give up his California.

[Joe Budden]

His name was Derek. For real.

[Mal]

And he said it just like that when his. He got emotional in the motel parking lot.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Derek for real wanted to. He wanted him interest.

[Mal]

That's not intelligent. Griselda would have never done that.

[Joe Budden]

No, she would have. Would have killed that dude. But then.

[Mal]

But then that's part of a talent.

[Joe Budden]

No, but then that dude was a mate. He would have had crazy heat on him. That dude was a major. He was a major figure, too. You killed him, you would have a lot of problems.

[Rory Farrell]

So, ma, you said you haven't. You haven't watched an episode yet?

[Joe Budden]

First episode.

[Rory Farrell]

The first episode. Okay, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

I'm only did one.

[Rory Farrell]

It gets. It gets way better. The first episode, I was literally tweeting, because I do tweet, watch threads. And I was like, okay, I'm watching Griselda. Does she get smarter? And then common sense kicked in. It was like, bitch, you calling her dumb. You're dumb. Obviously, she's Griselda. Obviously, she gets smarter. So, yeah, second episode, third episode. Way better.

[Joe Budden]

My boy put me onto this YouTube series. Bless you, Julian. My boy put me on this YouTube series called Evil Intentions. I don't know if you ever watched it.

[Rory Farrell]

Never heard of it.

[Joe Budden]

It's about a lot of crimes here in New York City that happened, and it was never. No, like, real, like, news on it.

[Mal]

I think I've seen the Avi thing. Yes. I have not watched this, but I know what you're talking about.

[Rory Farrell]

What is it about?

[Joe Budden]

This is. This is something that I think everybody should probably check out on YouTube. It's a lot of different cases, things that happen. Some shit here in New York that happened that I. In my hood that I never even know happened. It's like, yo, I don't remember hearing about some of the things he was telling me that was going on in New York City. I don't remember hearing about any of that shit on the news. Yeah, like.

[Mal]

Like what? They used to keep crime a secret.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. But this is something that I think everybody should check out. Wow. Wow.

[Mal]

Who's top five drug dealers before we get out of here?

[Rory Farrell]

Your faves.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Oh, my guy in Chicago is pretty good.

[Mal]

Dead or alive. That was funny. Listen, I thought it was a good joke.

[Rory Farrell]

It was good.

[Mal]

I liked it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Griselda would probably have to be number one.

[Mal]

Really?

[Rory Farrell]

Frank Lucas Escobar wouldn't be. Pablo wouldn't be number one.

[Joe Budden]

But she was getting. He was getting his work from Griselda.

[Julian]

But he still was like, they work together.

[Mal]

Yeah. I guess I have to finish the series.

[Joe Budden]

But he.

[Mal]

I know more about.

[Joe Budden]

She was supplying, like, west side and.

[Mal]

Conway than I do about the real Griselda. Like, I know of her, but I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

She was supplying him. So if she's supplying him, then she would have to Be above Pablo. No, I just think that's how it goes. If I'm. If I'm your supply, I think I'm above you. I don't know. I could be wrong, but I just. I'm just saying.

[Rory Farrell]

Who had a longer run though? Did he have a longer run than her?

[Mal]

Pablo?

[Julian]

Yes.

[Rory Farrell]

Yes, he had a longer run than her.

[Mal]

Pablo is like, he can't not be the Goat.

[Julian]

What about Chapo?

[Rory Farrell]

I was gonna say, what about El Chapo?

[Joe Budden]

Nah, my dude down in. What's the dude from? From Miami. Willie Falcone gotta be number one.

[Mal]

Give me Willie's background.

[Joe Budden]

Him and his brother, they had. And they had a cocaine cowboy in them. Willie Falcone and Sal, they was arrested for moving drugs. They had a speedboat. They went to speedboat racing and all of that. The brother was locked up. He was locked up in la. Escaped from. From jail in California because back then it wasn't really computer systems and things like that. Everything was like papers and file paperwork and like that. So he was able to fucking fraud like, you know, get somebody else's paperwork or some shit like that. Got out of jail, flew back to Miami and was on ESPN racing boats.

[Julian]

I remember that.

[Joe Budden]

When he was supposed to be in fucking jail in California. That nigga's a legend.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's actually.

[Joe Budden]

He should be studied. A. Like that needs to be studied.

[Mal]

It's okay to kill communities if at least you do it that way.

[Joe Budden]

That's ins, yo. You're supposed to be in jail and you're on ESPN racing speedboats.

[Rory Farrell]

Is that how he got caught?

[Joe Budden]

No, they didn't catch him. They didn't catch him.

[Julian]

They made more than 2 billion in cash by bringing at least 75 tons of coke.

[Joe Budden]

Willie Falcone and S. That was a good Netflix.

[Julian]

I watched that.

[Joe Budden]

Insane. That story is insane.

[Rory Farrell]

I had to check that out.

[Mal]

Oh, what's the name of this? There was a drug dealer that I think it was from New York that disappeared. They to this day have not found him and was on like some kingpin type in. Drug dealer disappeared. North Carolina, actually.

[Joe Budden]

Hold. I'll take that back. I think Sal snitched, so I don't even want to say his name. Willie Falcono. He stood ten toes.

[Julian]

Frank Matthews.

[Mal]

Frank Matthews. He may not be number one, but this would be like my personal favorite. This story is crazy. He. To this day no one has found him.

[Julian]

To this day he's like Tupac.

[Mal]

He just disappeared. Yeah, like was the Goat in New York and no one found. I can't think of another Drug dealer. I mean Chapo, you know, he tunneled out. This is the only one I know of that he's still alive. Just running around North Carolina. No one can find him.

[Joe Budden]

Gangster, that's fire.

[Rory Farrell]

And people wouldn't recognize him if they saw him now anyway.

[Mal]

And he doesn't get the American gangster movie because he was dead quiet, made a billion dollars and disappeared.

[Joe Budden]

So you're supposed to do it.

[Rory Farrell]

That's a dream.

[Mal]

Also, like Hollywood really changed the perception of Frank Lucas. Who I admittedly, like everyone else, watched American Gangster. I've heard the name before, but I didn't know clash. I was 17. I saw his. His house in Teaneck. I did my research. Frank wasn't really that.

[Julian]

What if he just. Well, it's the whole thing. To live modestly.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah. Maybe the house was that back in the day, like you know, our.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's what you. I think that's what you.

[Mal]

I'm talking about like Hollywood. He had the mansion with his family and all that. It was like a one floor house in Teaneck, New Jersey.

[Rory Farrell]

So maybe that's one of his cars.

[Mal]

Was like going crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, but you can't. It's smart to live humble. If you're making that much money, you don't want to go.

[Mal]

Oh no, I agree. I'm talking about the movie in itself of him having the penthouse and all this other shit. I know the fur coat is a true statement that. That got him up. But he was not living the way they made that movie.

[Joe Budden]

Look. I mean. Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do.

[Julian]

Wow. This. This guy, Rory, the guy that still disappeared, Frank Matthews, he. So they. They got him and he went out on bail for 325 000. Bail. He had six counts of tax evasion, conspiracy to distribute heroin and coke. It was facing up to 50 years.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

When he was out on bail, he took 20 million, fled the country with his girlfriend and left behind his common law wife with their three sons in Staten island at their mansion Island. Mansion in Staten Island. And then was never seen again.

[Mal]

Son still lives in Staten island.

[Julian]

Gangster took his 20 millions like deuces.

[Mal]

And this is. This is why. I know. This is why I know he didn't really abandon his kids. Because I could tell based off The Frank Matthews Jr. Interviews that him and his pops still in contact because his. His son said nah. Never heard from him.

[Julian]

Gangster wiring the money.

[Mal]

No, no, no. They. Yeah, they talk that day.

[Joe Budden]

Haven't. Haven't. Haven't heard from.

[Mal]

Nah. No idea. No. What Y'all put in the press is what happened.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah. Whatever y'all said happened.

[Mal]

His son is it.

[Joe Budden]

Just shut the.

[Julian]

He's only active for eight years, but he operated in 21 states, and in one year, he made $10 million.

[Mal]

Crazy.

[Rory Farrell]

I was looking in the 70s crazy. When I was watching Griselda, she had, like, some party where she was. And you guys will get to it. Where she was, you know, advertising her coke to the white people. And the party looks so wild. And I was watching how she was getting the coke to the United States, and I was just like, bro, the 80s looked like it was the best time in the world. Broke. You just bringing 15 with just Coke sewed up in their bras on a commercial flight. Y'all having parties just in the middle of the. Just right there on the pier. Just naked coke everywhere. White people with tennis rackets and life is just great. And I was born in 94.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

9, 11, the game up. You can't get on an airplane.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

That is ass. I feel like I missed the best times. Like, I was born in the wrong era. I should have been 18 and 80. I'd have been going crazy. I wouldn't be here. I wouldn't have made it.

[Mal]

Damn. That's why I kind of like, respect. I know my mom had her habits, but I'm like, if I was you in the time you was alive, boy, we also know I wouldn't be here.

[Julian]

Like, the product getting cut and stepped on and everything. Like, it was. Yeah, it was more prevalent, but it.

[Joe Budden]

Was such a addict.

[Rory Farrell]

Not. But real.

[Joe Budden]

You're not speaking from, like, the kingpin side. He's speaking from, like, the buyer. Like, yo, nothing was stepped on.

[Julian]

What we're saying, like, it's. Yeah. Like, it's a better experience for everybody.

[Joe Budden]

Just tell the truth. You stop doing coke because you scared of fentanyl. Just say that.

[Julian]

Oh, it was a big part of it. Yeah, obviously. Yeah. Max death was a huge part of that decision.

[Joe Budden]

See, why you gotta see. You gotta make yourself. Yeah.

[Mal]

No, it has to. I'm sorry. It has to be a whole different. No, it needs a whole new.

[Joe Budden]

New phrase is what I'm saying. Stepped into the product.

[Mal]

I know. I know what stepped on me saying with fentanyl. Now, that needs its own category.

[Joe Budden]

It's the same. But it's crazy now.

[Mal]

Stomped on.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Moonwalk.

[Julian]

It's crazy because one way ticket to heaven.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mal]

It's crazy over that.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of these. A lot of these fiends now, they don't even want heroin if it's not. If fentanyl's not in it. Of course, that's the same thing. Insane. Like, oh, you want to die. Yeah. Or you want to get as close to death. I'm like, I'm gonna go back. Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

You want to see the light? For sure.

[Joe Budden]

It's crazy.

[Julian]

Heroin is nuts, yo.

[Joe Budden]

A billion dollars cash, non tax. Yeah. Or you get to live two weeks in heaven and two weeks in hell just. And you come.

[Julian]

Billion.

[Rory Farrell]

Give me a billion. That's a. It's an easy ass question. Give me the billion.

[Julian]

Yeah. Why would I want to do that?

[Joe Budden]

Wait, wait.

[Mal]

Oh, that's an interesting question.

[Joe Budden]

Say a billion dollars cash.

[Julian]

Yes.

[Joe Budden]

Non tax.

[Julian]

Yep.

[Joe Budden]

Or you get to go to heaven for two weeks to see what heaven is and go to hell for two weeks to see what hell is.

[Julian]

I don't care. I'll see you when I get there eventually, Right?

[Joe Budden]

Give me the Billy Bill, Billy. That's tough. Also, I think based off that experience, I could get to a billion dollars. Based off of that.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I'm the only that's seen heaven and hell and came back.

[Julian]

You know how many people claim that?

[Rory Farrell]

People have.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, no. You talking about claiming it. I'm talking about. I'm sitting here and give you detailed description.

[Mal]

The world knows that I actually did this.

[Rory Farrell]

You're still not getting ability.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know, man. I don't know. I could get to that. Billy, off of that experience, I feel.

[Rory Farrell]

Like you might get a couple mil. You ain't getting to no bill.

[Julian]

I could find heaven in a billion dollars.

[Rory Farrell]

Facts. A name. Heaven down the street.

[Julian]

That's right.

[Rory Farrell]

You bugging.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know.

[Mal]

Two weeks each.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Rory Farrell]

I don't want to.

[Mal]

I get to interview everybody that's in heaven and everyone that's in hell. You know, I'm gonna make $7 billion the day I come back making you.

[Rory Farrell]

Sign an NDA when you go to heaven or hell. Bro, you sound crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Signing an NDA, Right? Who's gonna make you sign NDA?

[Rory Farrell]

God, bro. And the devil. Damn sure you can't see what. I can't let these know what I got. They wouldn't sell. They sold to me no more.

[Julian]

You know, heaven's boring as too.

[Joe Budden]

How do you know that?

[Rory Farrell]

Because you hate peace. Weird.

[Julian]

No, it's not hate, Pete. Look at this. That's considered against the. The code of what?

[Mal]

Just Christians. Like.

[Julian]

Yeah. Like. Like what? Like. Okay, well, this is. The thing with. This is why I have it. It just makes no Sense, Sense.

[Joe Budden]

Heaven makes no sense.

[Julian]

Laws and things change all the time. So, okay, at one point in. In the Bible and certain things, you can't. It's illegal to be gay and get married. It's. You can't be gay. You're not going to heaven if you're gay. That's the whole slogan for how many years?

[Rory Farrell]

That's how Christians interpret it, though that's not exactly true.

[Mal]

And we know that that's not okay. We know that gay people are so.

[Joe Budden]

Based off of that, you know, heaven.

[Mal]

So why would heaven now be whack.

[Rory Farrell]

Because he met Heaven ain't got no gay people.

[Julian]

No, I'm just saying there's no. Like. I'm just saying where's the. Because there's things that people have done in the past that would end, that would land them in hell. But now laws and things have changed in the common collective has changed that. Now those things aren't as bad as they once were. That's what I'm saying. I'm critiquing the system.

[Rory Farrell]

But Christians still believe that. I don't think that's why marriage is legal. Don't mean that Christians don't still think you're going.

[Mal]

How you're thinking of heaven is based off some. Something that we all don't agree with. So we're talking from heaven, from our own perspective.

[Julian]

Then we're all going to hell anyway.

[Mal]

I'm not going.

[Joe Budden]

But now you see why. Now you see why going and experiencing it for yourself and being able to.

[Julian]

Who the is in heaven? Nobody.

[Joe Budden]

All right, so you answered my question. You get to go to heaven for two weeks. All of these questions you're asking right now, you get all of the answers.

[Julian]

Premarital sex.

[Mal]

Okay, but first of all, all of.

[Joe Budden]

The questions you're asking me will be answered with two weeks in heaven. You will get all the answers.

[Julian]

I don't want to.

[Mal]

Don't.

[Julian]

I'm good. Okay, well, give me the billion dollars.

[Rory Farrell]

I believe that I'm truly going to heaven. If there is a heaven. I believe that I'm going, so I'll.

[Mal]

Get there when I will own the world. If you go to heaven for two weeks and hell two weeks and come back. Okay, well, you're the leader of the world.

[Julian]

Now.

[Rory Farrell]

Tell me how to market.

[Julian]

Now you go on Vlad and start talking about hell and.

[Mal]

Yeah, going to Vlad first when you come back from heaven is crazy.

[Rory Farrell]

No, that's what you're going to go market.

[Mal]

You're probably asking questions.

[Julian]

You're gonna sit down With Gail, like, how are you gonna market it? What's your rollout? Once you.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, I experienced heaven.

[Julian]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

I experienced hell for two weeks.

[Julian]

Cool.

[Joe Budden]

Here's what it is. You thought that Breakfast Club trailer shook up. I'll shoot just that and put that on.

[Rory Farrell]

I actually don't think it should.

[Mal]

I'll be like, we're saying everyone knows that we actually did that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's a no.

[Mal]

The world knows that we went to heaven.

[Rory Farrell]

How do you market it? How are you marketing it to get to a billion?

[Mal]

You're gonna get a. I don't know. After. I have to talk to Killer first. You're like, what are you talking? Like, I need to know who the first. I can't market it now. When I talk to Jesus Christ for real.

[Julian]

The first person. Who's the first person you pull out?

[Mal]

Great question. That's a great question.

[Julian]

Why is it Hitler in hell? Yeah. The first person. I don't know if on a Hell.

[Mal]

Edit now.

[Julian]

Just believe it.

[Rory Farrell]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Joe Budden]

We don't. We don't know. This is why going. You ain't get these questions answered. We don't know.

[Julian]

He's like, yo, you'll never believe who's up there.

[Rory Farrell]

If there are any podcasts that I.

[Joe Budden]

Never guess who lives in the penthouse.

[Julian]

Yeah, you never believe who. I just kicked it within heaven.

[Mal]

I thought, this is what I'm saying. It might make you feel better, but Kanye kept selling sneakers.

[Joe Budden]

You get so many answers. You get so many answers. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how y'all just saying this, Billy, without even thinking about it.

[Julian]

Like, who would you pull up on?

[Mal]

That's an amazing question. I'm, like, kind of thrown back by that question. To go to heaven or hell. Who's the first person I'm pulling up on?

[Joe Budden]

The first person I want to sit down and talk to if I go to heaven or hell. Aside from obviously God and the devil. Let's take them out of it, man.

[Julian]

They're busy.

[Rory Farrell]

I will. Fuck Lucifer.

[Mal]

Yo, Rel's never said anything before. He said Tupac going to Tupac first. Yo, you're really from the Bay.

[Rory Farrell]

That's who you.

[Mal]

That's some BAE shit to do.

[Joe Budden]

That's our guy.

[Mal]

We love him, too.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, interviewing Pac first is fucking crazy.

[Mal]

Nelson Pack definitely doesn't have the answers to I need right now.

[Joe Budden]

Who would I talk to first? Wow.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

This might be the hardest question I think I've ever been asked. I don't know.

[Julian]

In the History of everyone.

[Mal]

It's fucking nuts.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm being Queen Elizabeth ass. I'm rocking her. Shit.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

We get two weeks.

[Julian]

She's probably in hell.

[Mal]

There's a bunch of people I would.

[Joe Budden]

Love to jump hell in heaven or hell.

[Mal]

I'm beating the out of Queen Elizabeth with Damaris.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm rocking her.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah. I don't know, man. First person. Damn, that's tough.

[Mal]

And I hate that. I don't want to make like the Hitler thing here, but that was such a fascinating time conversation with him.

[Joe Budden]

Are we talking about. Are we talking about like relatives aside?

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah. Like famous people.

[Mal]

Oh, no, no, no. Relatives included. To be quite honest, I love my grandparents. I miss them so much. If I have the ability to talk to everyone that's dead and I have two weeks. Sorry, Nana.

[Joe Budden]

You're not.

[Mal]

No, I'm running past my grandmother. I have two weeks. I'm gonna get to her eventually.

[Julian]

You're like, there's JFK's 10 doors down. I'm gonna go to talk to him.

[Rory Farrell]

I want talk to the first witch in my favor.

[Mal]

I talked. I had a great relationship with my grandparents. We had enough time. I want to talk to JFK.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't.

[Julian]

Give me 10 minutes with Stalin.

[Joe Budden]

Definitely top three first persons I would want to find and talk to all Steve Jobs might be one of my three. Oh, fact I want to know how.

[Rory Farrell]

You keep selling these. The same work after death.

[Joe Budden]

You see the they could that. That hello vision they just put. They're about to put out.

[Julian]

I mean, these are beyond his.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

This is all he knows. He knows he died with some in his head. He knows what's coming.

[Mal]

He didn't even know how to code.

[Rory Farrell]

That's what I want to know how you keep selling these the same work over. I don't have any purchases.

[Mal]

No questions for Steve.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, you bugging. You bugging the out. That's insane. This apple.

[Mal]

I mean teach me how to yell at people to make that's in my head. Yeah, sure. Probably pretty good person to talk to.

[Joe Budden]

You got to sit down with Steve. He knows something is coming.

[Mal]

Of course. No, Steve Jobs was a genius.

[Joe Budden]

He knows something is coming. Coming. He knows. He knows what's coming.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm good.

[Joe Budden]

I'll pull up on him, but I don't know how soon.

[Rory Farrell]

He ain't your first stop.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, he ain't. Not the first day.

[Rory Farrell]

First day I touch down like I.

[Joe Budden]

Throw him to do. Yo, ML, what up? Yo, I'm holla at you like and.

[Mal]

Like I'm over here.

[Joe Budden]

I gotta go over here real quick.

[Rory Farrell]

Chop it up. Yeah.

[Mal]

Pardon my white face, though.

[Julian]

Like, ghosting him is crazy.

[Mal]

Mlk, MLK wouldn't have answers to things that I like. He.

[Joe Budden]

You want to talk to jfk? You want to talk to jfk. So you want to talk to Hitler.

[Mal]

Sure. And Hitler, Kobe. MLK was like, what else could he tell me outside of what he already told us?

[Rory Farrell]

What is Kobe gonna tell you?

[Julian]

No, I just wanna. If there's a who, I'm assuming there's a basketball hoop. I just shoot.

[Joe Budden]

Julie gonna go up there like, yo. So when the double team is coming. What I do.

[Mal]

But that's also like, on the same.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Julian]

I want to shoot some.

[Mal]

What is there? They can't tell you. It would be amazing to sit down and have a conversation with mlk. I just feel like any information he would have had, he would have said it because he's ill. JFK held a lot of down. I want to know the secrets. I don't think MLK kept secrets.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Mal]

I want to talk to the people that have secrets.

[Rory Farrell]

One of the Rockefellers, for sure.

[Mal]

Yeah. What's where?

[Joe Budden]

All right.

[Mal]

Because, you know, the Rothschilds have a whole wing in heaven. Well.

[Rory Farrell]

Or hell.

[Julian]

You put a lot of people in heaven right now.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I just don't get. What's the criteria for heaven.

[Joe Budden]

We don't know.

[Julian]

Because if it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm trying to tell you. This is why you gotta go. So then you begin like, yo, what the. You're here.

[Julian]

If it's by the Bible, none of us would be in heaven. That's what I'm saying.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Julian, this is why the question is so crazy. Because you get all your answers. You get. Your questions will be answered. You're gonna. People you think are in heaven might not be there.

[Mal]

And you also know every religion has.

[Joe Budden]

That's all I'm saying.

[Mal]

Of heaven, Mecca, whatever it is, they all have a version of heaven. The Bible does not dictate heaven.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Christianity.

[Rory Farrell]

But this. And this is why I'm rolling with the.

[Mal]

It's the youngest religion. This is why I'm making it up as they go.

[Rory Farrell]

This is why I'm rolling with the billion. Because they're still making it upset.

[Joe Budden]

It's like an nft.

[Mal]

They're still making it up.

[Julian]

It's the NFT of religions.

[Rory Farrell]

Think of your mindset. If you go to both heaven and hell, you go to hell. Hell is the hell that you're going to. Is your hell. It Ain't like you just gonna walk in hell, everybody else burning in flames, and they just separating for you. And you just go to whoever's little hellish little cell and just talk to them. No, no, no, no, no. You're in your own personal hell, too. So whatever your hell is, you're in that for two weeks.

[Julian]

It's a hangout. It's like a big room. You get to meet everybody.

[Joe Budden]

If y'all was to ask me, yo, so what was hell? I'm like, it's dark and hot and hot and hot. That's all I'm gonna tell. Like, yo, subscribe to my Patreon. Or you go, yo, you know my Patreon. Yo, y'all don't even. You talking about a Billy. That ain't nothing. My Patreon gonna rig off crazy. I'm gonna sit down like I just.

[Julian]

You don't come back here and do the first episode behind a paywall.

[Joe Budden]

Two weeks in heaven. Two weeks in hell. Sign up to my Patreon right now. I'm dropping next week. Week? I'll break Patreon with that. You kidding me?

[Mal]

If I go to heaven and hell, it's not going to be Patreon. I'm making my own WI Fi when I come back. That won't be behind any paywall.

[Julian]

You don't get smarter.

[Joe Budden]

You don't know that, Rory.

[Julian]

Really, Roy.

[Rory Farrell]

It's such a.

[Joe Budden]

My head. You might have conversations. What do you get?

[Mal]

Two weeks to talk to everyone that's passed away.

[Julian]

Two weeks. Read their books. Like, read the. Just go back into the archives and.

[Joe Budden]

What's wrong with you?

[Julian]

Get knowledge.

[Joe Budden]

No, when you're sitting. I'm talking about sitting down, having conversations with a jfk. The.

[Julian]

Is he gonna teach you?

[Joe Budden]

You don't know, Julian. He might be able to tell you all kinds of. This is why going and finding out is the big deal.

[Rory Farrell]

Or you could have a billion dollars and you could notice. I wouldn't want to go to heaven because I know if I go to heaven and I have to come back to this, I'll probably shoot myself the next day. Like, I know that that's gonna. With my mental. I know that going to hell is going to. With my mental. I'm not going to survive to be able to spend the billion dollars. So I'd rather take the Billy. Some ain't meant for me to know. If it was meant for me to know, I would discover it in my life. I wouldn't have to go there. If it was meant for me. You Know I'm good. Take the bill.

[Joe Budden]

See it. I want to see.

[Mal]

I want to continue this conversation after taking a night to think about it, because this is a. Like a. This is a beautiful conversation.

[Rory Farrell]

I could think about it for two years.

[Julian]

I'm still gonna take the building, but, like, $10 million. I'm staying here. Give me the money.

[Joe Budden]

Me.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I'm going. No, I'm going to heaven and hell. That's my answer. But the conversation we're having. Yeah, I want to think more about it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

The people I would talk to, like, are you.

[Julian]

Like, what ball?

[Joe Budden]

What if you take the billion? You don't know that with the billion comes. You have to go to hell once you die. You don't even know that.

[Rory Farrell]

Well, you ain't. Y'all ain't put that stipulation making up. I'm just saying what if, like a Christian.

[Joe Budden]

I want to know. I want to know.

[Julian]

Doing the Christian thing.

[Joe Budden]

So you wouldn't want to go and just figure out what. What actually gets you into. First of all, finding out just what gets you into heaven or hell is. Is worth the trip to me because.

[Mal]

I might come back and just shoot myself.

[Rory Farrell]

I believe. Yeah, I believe that I'm going to heaven. Like, I have no doubt about that.

[Julian]

I don't really believe in any of this, so I'll take the money.

[Joe Budden]

You don't believe in heaven or hell?

[Rory Farrell]

No, a lot of people don't.

[Julian]

It's a construct.

[Mal]

All right, okay, cool. But what do you believe in? Like, you just think we just exist.

[Rory Farrell]

Do you think that's true?

[Julian]

There's, like. Sure, there's some spiritual.

[Joe Budden]

He believes in riot. Do you.

[Rory Farrell]

Do you believe in reincarnation?

[Julian]

Yeah, I believe in women.

[Mal]

It keeps the population going. I don't know.

[Julian]

Like, I don't. I don't know. I don't think it's. I don't. I think it's naive how definitively people speak about stuff we know absolutely nothing about.

[Joe Budden]

So you don't.

[Julian]

I doubt that reincarnation couldn't exist.

[Joe Budden]

So you don't believe in God?

[Julian]

Not really. I believe not.

[Mal]

Not the.

[Joe Budden]

If a shoot you in your ass when you walk outside the studio, the first you gonna yell for is God.

[Julian]

No, I'd probably be like, where's my mom?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, where's my mom?

[Julian]

What I like to call my mom. I'd probably rather talk to her.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, yo, Getting shot in your ass and like, where's my mom?

[Rory Farrell]

What? Legran, if you hear this, I am a.

[Joe Budden]

What the are you talking about can.

[Julian]

We take this out?

[Joe Budden]

No, we're not taking it out.

[Mal]

No way.

[Joe Budden]

Shot and you ask where's my mom?

[Julian]

Well, cuz I'm saying I'd rather less.

[Mal]

Has happened and he asked for his mom.

[Julian]

I'd rather shut up Roy. I'd rather talk to someone I know than close my eyes and talk to myself.

[Mal]

Can I give you a hug?

[Julian]

No, no, it's fine. Leave me all you clip. Go ahead Reddit, have a feel day. I'm like I'd rather have a conversation with now I woke up up I'm here up.

[Mal]

I'mma miss my Rock Nation meeting. I'm with it.

[Julian]

Someone I'd rather call, someone I know and love than close my eyes and talk to nobody. Well, what are we talking about?

[Mal]

All right, aside from the fun we just had, let's not say the word God. But you don't believe in a higher power. You are that arrogant to think that I. We just exist for nothing.

[Julian]

No, I think the earth, the. The. Yeah. Like I think the. The solar. The earth itself is. Is very real in a living thing, in a living being. And I think we all obviously contribute to that in some way. And when we die, we become a part of that thing. We feed back into the system that made us who we are now literally we go into the ground and we become the next layer of soil and trees sprout and.

[Mal]

And I'm saying I can agree with you that it could be a religion is a construct. But to not think that there is not a creator.

[Julian]

I don't think it's a white guy.

[Mal]

With a beard saying to think.

[Julian]

I don't think it's a white guy with a beard.

[Rory Farrell]

No, I don't think that either.

[Joe Budden]

What about Santa Claus?

[Mal]

Yeah, no, like no one thinks that.

[Rory Farrell]

I used to think God was a woman and then I realized here you go with it.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, listen, we'll be back.

[Rory Farrell]

Next be a woman's idea. More about women would never put another woman through that. So. I know.

[Mal]

Yeah, you guys don't support each other.

[Joe Budden]

God was a woman.

[Mal]

Are petty.

[Julian]

They did that to entity. I don't think. I just.

[Rory Farrell]

I think.

[Julian]

I don't like this whole. Like, it's just. It's the. There's so much importance to the whitewashing of culture and religion and putting that superiority lens over everything. It's like everyone's white that matters. I just. It's such a fucking fuck you to everyone else. And then when slave masters would talk to their fucking sharecroppers and everyone in the field. They'd be like, you're doing it for God. They would throw that in their face. So it actually does annoy me a lot when I see a lot of black families.

[Rory Farrell]

You're doing it for Jesus. It would be for Jesus.

[Julian]

But they're. But they're convincing you that you need to do that because there's. They're. They're saying you're. This. What you're contributing to is bigger than you. Thank you're doing this because you're contributing to something beyond. No, you're using. They're saying that they're brainwashing you. They're painting this story to make you feel like what you're doing is serving a greater power. It's serving them. Them. So it's like, yeah, you do this for me, master, and you'll get into heaven. It's like, no, bro, they're manipulating you and they're treating you like dog to your specific people. Yes, but that still happens. Mall. When I know it's not slave labor now, but people are being beat over the head with religion to make them feel like they're contributing to something greater.

[Joe Budden]

Than they are for sure.

[Mal]

I agree with every single word. I think religions, but I also think they weaponize atheism. Atheism, I can't even say it, but that is weaponized as well too. To just convince people that there's nothing here, just some individual ruins. What not on this really is we are a community socialism.

[Rory Farrell]

Haha.

[Mal]

Callback.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah.

[Mal]

For people to just think that we just exist, I also think is a manipulation the way religion is as well. We're not all individuals. We are all here together and we have to work this out together.

[Julian]

No, for sure. Yeah.

[Mal]

When people do that atheism shit, I'm like, how do y'all even. You think we just exist here and we're all just one individual with our fucking. We're just worms going through this shit. No, no, we. We are. We are part of this matter. And this, this whole shit, like we are one cell.

[Julian]

There's a middle.

[Mal]

All of. All of us are the same cell.

[Julian]

Yes, there's a middle ground. I'm not saying I'm on the opposite end where it's the. The atheist where nothing matters and we can just go about our business and die. I'm not. I'm not on that end either, but I think it's really.

[Mal]

Everything's gonna be fine.

[Julian]

I just think it's really harmful. And I mean, we see this in this country, but more so abroad. Like, look at what's currently happening in Gaza. All this is justified in the name of religion.

[Mal]

No, it's not.

[Rory Farrell]

No, it's not.

[Julian]

We're using it as a mask. Religion is always the mask to do friendlies.

[Joe Budden]

And people said that religion is weaponized. We agree. Yeah, I agree.

[Julian]

I know.

[Mal]

My daughter. I don't believe in organized religion.

[Rory Farrell]

If you take religion out, the people who are evil will still be evil and they'll find another means to weaponize other people.

[Julian]

But I guess with that, for me, it means I don't believe in the systems that religion has created. So I guess that for me would include a heaven and a hell. I don't think everything is so black and white. I think that that's insane that we only look at these two pillars.

[Joe Budden]

Now do you understand why I asked the question I asked? Because then you get these answers.

[Julian]

I don't know what you asked and.

[Rory Farrell]

But in order for the original question.

[Joe Budden]

Of would you go to heaven, he.

[Rory Farrell]

Would have to believe that exists.

[Julian]

Thank you.

[Rory Farrell]

That's the thing you're saying. Would you pick $1 billion or this just so he can get the answers. But even to believe you'll get those answers, he'd have to believe that that place even exists.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory Farrell]

So he can't answer that question because it's like, no, I don't even believe that these places exist. So why would I say that I would go there?

[Julian]

I take the billion dollars and call my mom.

[Rory Farrell]

If I get shot in my ass, I'm calling Ma because I know Ma got something in that little bag he be carrying. So you about to come out and help me?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm gonna do it like Denzel didn't equalize. I'm gonna put some honey on it.

[Julian]

Is that what people do to people?

[Rory Farrell]

You gonna put honey on my ass? When I get shot of my ass, not just, you know, cover the wound.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta pour honey in it.

[Julian]

Is that a real thing?

[Joe Budden]

Until you get to the hospital. Well, honey. Honey. Honey is like a. It cleanses wounds and things like that, but it's also a healing, like it heals and things like that. I'm not saying if you got a bullet in your arm to pull back the honey.

[Rory Farrell]

Rory can put honey on my ass, shoot back.

[Julian]

No, it is a honey is an antibacterial and anti. And inflammatory.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you thought I was just freestyling, right?

[Julian]

No, I just wanted to know why it would work.

[Rory Farrell]

I didn't believe you. That's why he looked it up. He don't look else up. He won't even believe.

[Mal]

I don't hold myself back because I really. You're gonna make me defend religion.

[Joe Budden]

Listen. Whoa.

[Mal]

Let's finish and I'm not gonna do it.

[Joe Budden]

Let's finish.

[Mal]

I'm not gonna do it. I'm very delir now. I've not slept.

[Joe Budden]

Let's finish this on Patreon.

[Mal]

He's gonna make me defend.

[Joe Budden]

Let's finish this on Patreon. Shut up. Shut up.

[Rory Farrell]

Swing on him.

[Joe Budden]

Let's finish this on Patreon.

[Rory Farrell]

Swing on a comment. Swing. I'm all. We gonna swing on him.

[Joe Budden]

Why are you gonna swing on me?

[Julian]

Wait, Whoa.

[Joe Budden]

What did I do?

[Mal]

Oh, bro, can you put that?

[Joe Budden]

Did I say what the?

[Mal]

You said put that clock up so you can start it for Ice Spice.

[Rory Farrell]

I'm like, what the he say me for Nelly?

[Mal]

Your first Melissa. One of my favorite videos in history.

[Joe Budden]

I love that meme me. I'm like, what the same you say me for? We're gonna finish out of Patreon, though. Cause I feel like Julian, he got some more shit he want to get off. You got some more shit you want to.

[Julian]

Rory wants to. I don't got shit to say.

[Joe Budden]

Listen. No, we gonna get it. We gonna get our shit off. We gonna get our shit off on Patreon. Everybody relax. Everybody chill. It's just for another time, another day. On that note, thank you, everybody, for joining us on this audio expedition, this visual journey.

[Mal]

Hold on.

[Rory Farrell]

Wait, wait, wait. You moving too fast. How y'all feel that? How do y'all feel that? The nigga bowl ain't happening.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit. I knew that nigga bowl wasn't that, but I told y'all, once I saw Lamar Jackson saying he hates competing against Patrick Mahomes. I was like, oh, they done. They cook. You can't say that before you go into one of the biggest game of your career. You can't say, I hate competing against the quarterback. You can't say that like. So when Lamar said that, as much as I love him, I knew they was going to lose that game.

[Julian]

The Lions blew it.

[Mal]

Was there a clip that he said? Him and Mahomes, it was like the goats going against each other or something. Yeah, he said that. So after I cleaned this whole studio up yesterday, I got back to my house, and the first thing my mother said at the top of the steps was, this is why you should never say Patrick's name.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, well, you can't.

[Mal]

And I was like, wait, what are you talking about? He's like, said they were both the.

[Joe Budden]

The best well, you can't call yourself a goat if you don't have a championship. Let's be very clear, actually, multiple teams.

[Mal]

I don't think he said he was the goat, but my mom claims there's a clip where he was trying to say it was the two best going against each other.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, he's.

[Mal]

And he's supposed to feel that way.

[Joe Budden]

He's one of the best in the league right now, without a doubt. Actually, he might be the best, but.

[Mal]

When you look at your 50 year old diabetic mother that is having trouble even holding up, and the first thing she says instead of like, happy birthday to your daughter is don't ever say Patrick Mahomes name again.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I mean, listen, when he said that.

[Mal]

I was like, mom, what are you talking about?

[Rory Farrell]

She can defend her biracial king.

[Mal]

Word.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. When he said that in the press conference, though, I. I kind of felt like they was gonna lose that game. I didn't. I didn't think. And I wanted them to go all the way.

[Rory Farrell]

But if y'all think Taylor Swift wasn't gonna be at that super bowl, y'all got Shonda Rhymes and the rest of the script writers up.

[Mal]

First of all, first of all, Roc Nation wrote the whole script.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Jay Z wrote that.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's true. That's what happened. This was all Rock Nation.

[Joe Budden]

He wrote still Dre and the NFL script.

[Julian]

Still dream.

[Joe Budden]

I'm just saying. Just let y'all know what he wrote.

[Mal]

It was. DEZ was the one that set up the Ravens and the Chiefs.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Mal]

If you ask Tory Lanez fans. Yes. That's what happened.

[Julian]

While we're. While we're talking on it, this just popped up on my phone. The equivalent brand value of Taylor Swift has brought into the NFL and the Chiefs is an estimated 33. Sorry, $331.5 million.

[Joe Budden]

Taylor Swift bought that to the NFL? How?

[Julian]

With just brand value in print, digital radio, TV highlights, social media, commercials. Commercials.

[Mal]

That doesn't shock me at all, y'all.

[Julian]

She first attended the game in September.

[Joe Budden]

You got on my timeline last week and told me that Taylor Swift was digitally sexually assaulted. You know how many times I drew dicks on somebody's poster in the subway before fam.

[Julian]

This shit's going to the Supreme Court. So you can say what you want. It's real.

[Joe Budden]

It's real. Because they're idiots in the world now. That's why.

[Rory Farrell]

There was a case where a little girl was getting bullied because somebody made AI porn images of her is.

[Joe Budden]

I told you put AI pictures out with Kanye would come on his face. And nobody took that to the Supreme Court.

[Mal]

There was a case where a whole fan base for seven years photoshopped a broomstick going into a certain individual's ass and nobody cared.

[Rory Farrell]

Shut up. I'm about to do it to you.

[Mal]

You think I'm gonna care about Taylor fucking Swift?

[Joe Budden]

His stupid man? This is stupid. It's dumb, but okay.

[Rory Farrell]

But it's like y'all don't. It's just. Y'all just don't understand that this could happen to regular people. This can happen. That this could be serious. And that's what convuls me.

[Joe Budden]

Serious.

[Mal]

Still, no one will hear me out.

[Joe Budden]

I don't get.

[Mal]

No one will hear me.

[Joe Budden]

I don't give a about fake pictures.

[Julian]

But none of us have gone through that. So maybe it's because no one in.

[Rory Farrell]

This room see your 13 year old daughter. Well, you care. And she's in school getting bullied over. Well, you care.

[Mal]

Taylor Swift is 30 and a. A billion.

[Joe Budden]

It's not her.

[Rory Farrell]

It's not about Taylor Swift. It's about the fact that we're setting a precedent that this can now happen to other people.

[Joe Budden]

It's happened already. They just did it to Kanye last year. Nobody said nothing.

[Julian]

Like most things, it takes. Sometimes it takes something to happen to someone that matters. The big yes. Yeah. In short, someone that matters for people to make a change. This could be the case. Unfortunately, Rory wasn't important enough.

[Joe Budden]

This is stupid. How about that? This is just dumb.

[Rory Farrell]

If somebody do this shit to your fucking 13 year old daughter and she come home crying because boys is passing around AI picture AI new pictures of her. You're not gonna think it's stupid and it's dumb.

[Joe Budden]

You think I'm like, yo, I'm taking this to the Supreme Court and we're gonna get these things wiped off of the Internet.

[Rory Farrell]

Oh, you want them to remain on the Internet? You wouldn't try to get them off the Internet.

[Joe Budden]

It's fake. It's not her. Now if they pack my daughter's real phone and put out real pictures of her that are nude pictures, then I would be upset. We're talking about fake pictures, okay? Why are we outraged about these wearing fake jewelry?

[Mal]

It's the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

It's the same thing.

[Rory Farrell]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

That ap ain't real. What is that?

[Rory Farrell]

Pa?

[Mal]

That's not real. Come on. Your daughter's face. Yeah, like, same thing.

[Joe Budden]

The is that.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah, the same.

[Mal]

That's the same thing.

[Joe Budden]

It's not real.

[Julian]

Looks Fake.

[Joe Budden]

That's not real.

[Julian]

Over your daughters.

[Joe Budden]

It's not. So y'all can AI us with all that come is.

[Mal]

Is Moissanite. Whatever the fake diamonds are, they gave us.

[Joe Budden]

They gave us all of this fake AI.

[Mal]

I'm being sarcastic. I don't agree with him right now.

[Joe Budden]

This AI digitally shit, this Planet Earth documentary on Netflix that I love. That's. None of that shit is real. I just found that out.

[Rory Farrell]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

All that shit is AI shit.

[Julian]

What is Planet Earth?

[Joe Budden]

It's not real. Those images are not. Bro, you didn't know that Planet Earth is real? The latest one. One, bro. They have.

[Julian]

The latest one, bro.

[Joe Budden]

They have a whole. It's a few episodes where none of those animals are real.

[Mal]

Don't die on that hill, mom, because I tried. Well, I've been saying this has been fake as forever.

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, Rory did say that.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, this latest one. This latest.

[Mal]

Every last one of the shits.

[Joe Budden]

Y'all don't remember when I asked y'all that one scene.

[Mal]

Cameras aren't that good with the.

[Joe Budden]

With the polar bear on that one piece of ice in the middle of the. I said, how the. Did a camera get that?

[Rory Farrell]

Yeah, I remember that chilling.

[Joe Budden]

That right there. That's not. It's not r. That's not real, bro.

[Mal]

Go watch the deep sea version of. Of Planet Earth, the episode where they go to the. Like, where the Titanic is.

[Julian]

Well, they can't get down.

[Mal]

It's the great. Like.

[Joe Budden]

Well, they tried.

[Mal]

They took. What's the greatest camera. They. They take a red camera.

[Julian]

They take a red camera.

[Mal]

They're looking at fish in the. In the face. I'm like, this is the fakest I've ever seen. And I. They have a whole. They have a cult following because I've said this before, and their cult has killed me because I think it's the fakest thing on Earth.

[Joe Budden]

On the next Patreon, we uncover all of the fake AI images of the Planet Earth documentaries. Because I love those documentaries. I feel like I learned so much. A lot of that is fake. It's AI images. Now we're going to uncover that. We're going to uncover. Julian's calling his mom if he gets shot.

[Julian]

All right, let me bring it up again.

[Joe Budden]

And we're going to talk about if heaven or hell. Where would you go for a billion dollars? Because you sound like, I want to have that chest. But we're going to get out of here.

[Mal]

I think I love Ice Spice. I think she's great.

[Rory Farrell]

We love Nikki. Please, Barbs, please don't dox me. Please, please, please, please, please.

[Mal]

I'm just gonna clip it.

[Julian]

Yeah, they clip the bar part.

[Joe Budden]

It's all good.

[Julian]

I don't love nigga, I'll say that.

[Joe Budden]

Don't be scared.

[Rory Farrell]

Docs him.

[Mal]

Peace.

[Joe Budden]

We'll talk to y'all soon. I'm that. He's just ginger. Peace. No worrying now.