Episode 240 | What More Do You Want From The Grammys?

Summary

Podcast Summary: New Rory & MAL - Episode 240 | What More Do You Want From The Grammys?

Release Date: February 6, 2024

In Episode 240 of "New Rory & MAL," hosted by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, Rory and Mal delve deep into the intricacies and controversies surrounding the Grammy Awards. The episode primarily focuses on the recurring debates about award snubs, particularly the dominance of Taylor Swift in the Album of the Year category and the perceived oversight of Beyoncé. The hosts engage in a lively discussion, analyzing the Grammy voting process, the impact of artist popularity, and the need for greater transparency within the awarding body.

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1. The Grammys: A Cultural Touchstone

Rory and Mal commence their discussion by acknowledging the Grammy Awards as an annual cultural fixture that garners significant attention within the music industry. They express a mix of disdain and fascination with the event, highlighting its role in celebrating artists while also drawing criticism for its choices.

Notable Quote:

• Rory (00:07): "The Grammys are always a talk. And every year we say we're not watching. We don't care about the Grammys."

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2. Taylor Swift's Dominance in Album of the Year

A central theme of the episode is Taylor Swift's unprecedented success at the Grammys, particularly her four wins in the Album of the Year category. Rory critiques the Grammys for awarding Swift multiple times, questioning the criteria and suggesting a possible lack of diversity in the selection process.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (09:03): "She's not the greatest artist of all time, in my humble opinion. She's not a greater artist than Stevie Wonder. She's definitely not a greater artist than Michael Jackson."
• Julian (10:22): "But she also has done something that no other artist has ever done, and she's not as great as some of these artists that never won or didn't."

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3. Beyoncé's Snubs: A Missed Recognition

Contrasting Swift's success, Beyoncé's absence from the Album of the Year wins prompts Rory and Mal to discuss whether her work has been unfairly overlooked. They ponder the reasons behind her lack of wins, considering factors like competition and the subjective nature of the awards.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (16:54): "Do you not think it's absurd that Beyoncé has never won album of the year?"
• Damaris (17:45): "That's why I say that there's a conversation to be had about this process, about these people that are in this voting, on this voting committee."

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4. The Grammy Voting Process: Transparency and Bias

Rory and Mal scrutinize the Grammy voting process, highlighting the opaque nature of how winners are selected. They suggest that the lack of visibility into the voting committee may contribute to perceived biases and repeated awarding of certain artists over others.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (17:02): "I think there's a conversation to be had about this process, about these people that are in this voting, on this voting committee, behind these Grammy doors."
• Julian (23:54): "What would help would be if the committee, one, showed their faces and two, explained the criteria for everything."

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5. Voter Fatigue and Repeated Wins

The concept of "voter fatigue" is introduced as a potential explanation for why Taylor Swift continues to win, without the same phenomenon occurring for other dominant artists like Travis Scott or Mina Joe Dickens. The hosts question why, despite the natural occurrence of voter fatigue in award processes, Swift remains unaffected.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (18:35): "This is called voters fatigue. It's the reason why Michael Jordan didn't win MVP every year he was in NBA."
• Damaris (18:53): "That's my point as well."

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6. Jay-Z's Speech and Its Implications

Jay-Z's speech at the Grammys is analyzed as a pivotal moment calling for change within the industry. The hosts interpret his message as both a critique of current practices and a call to action for artists to continue participating in award shows to effect change.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (22:05): "And again, we want them to stop acting like we don't see what's happening, stop acting like we don't get what's happening and just start to make changes."
• Julian (37:25): "We know that thing happens, but why has it not happened with Taylor Swift?"

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7. Category Definitions: Urban Contemporary vs. R&B

The hosts touch upon the renaming and redefining of Grammy categories, particularly the shift from "Urban" to "Progressive R&B." They critique this change as insufficient and argue that it masks underlying biases rather than addressing them.

Notable Quotes:

• Julian (30:57): "Because, right in everyone’s face."
• Rory (30:58): "They were trying to remove the urban word."

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8. SZA's Grammy Outcome and Artist Recognition

SZA's win over Taylor Swift is discussed, with the hosts expressing disappointment that SZA did not receive the Album of the Year award despite her critical success. They argue that her album "SOS" had better impact and replay value, suggesting the Grammys missed an opportunity to honor her work appropriately.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (19:06): "I just feel like SOS was a better album to me."
• Julian (20:08): "She's gonna always have the numbers."

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9. The Need for Change Within the Grammys

Concluding their main discussion, Rory and Mal emphasize the necessity for substantial reforms within the Grammy Awards. They advocate for greater transparency, diversified voting committees, and a reevaluation of award criteria to ensure fair recognition of all artists.

Notable Quotes:

• Rory (22:05): "And I think that it’s time for us to have that conversation."
• Damaris (23:28): "I'm not gonna lie. I think they got it right this year and everything."

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10. Diversion into Other Topics

Towards the latter part of the episode, the conversation shifts to unrelated subjects, including anecdotes about streaming personalities, personal relationships, and humorous exchanges about everyday mishaps. While these segments provide entertainment, they stray from the central theme of Grammy discussions.

Note: These portions are included in the summary as they contribute to the episode's overall content, though they diverge from the primary focus on the Grammys.

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Conclusion

Episode 240 of "New Rory & MAL" offers a critical examination of the Grammy Awards, spotlighting issues of repetitive awarding, potential biases, and the need for systemic changes. Through engaging dialogue and pointed critiques, Rory and Mal encourage listeners to reflect on the integrity of award ceremonies and advocate for a more inclusive and transparent recognition of artistic excellence.

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Disclaimer: This summary is based on the provided transcript and aims to encapsulate the key discussions and sentiments expressed by the hosts during the episode.

Transcript

[Rory]

I can never say I got it out the mud. That'd be a lie.

[Mal]

Yeah. I can't say that.

[Rory]

No, no. Didn't get out the mud. Got it out the fridge.

[Mal]

Got it out the fridge.

[Damaris]

No worrying now.

[Rory]

Work, work, work, work, work, work.

[Damaris]

You see me heavy.

[Julian]

Work, work, work, work, work, work.

[Mal]

You see me do me dir.

[Rory]

Dir.

[Damaris]

D.

[Julian]

Wait, that dark record didn't go.

[Mal]

No more with Drake.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Wants and needs.

[Julian]

No laughter.

[Mal]

Oh, laughter. I don't think so.

[Rory]

I don't think so.

[Damaris]

No.

[Rory]

Wow.

[Julian]

Shot that at the Nike compound. Let's go. Number two. They were on Jet Skis in Oregon.

[Mal]

Isn't Kevin Durant in there?

[Damaris]

They were on Jet Skis in Oregon.

[Mal]

Oh, Dell's in that video.

[Julian]

So was Drew Ski.

[Mal]

Everyone's in that. That's a movie.

[Rory]

Every Nike athlete shot a movie at Nike.

[Julian]

That video was incredible. Anyways. Hey, everyone, we're back.

[Mal]

Number two.

[Julian]

Rolling starts. How you feeling, Mo?

[Rory]

I'm good. Good. You know, getting unpacked, unsettled. Into the new crib.

[Julian]

Have you christened it yet?

[Rory]

No.

[Julian]

With intercourse?

[Rory]

Oh, no, no, no. I'm just. I'm barely. I'm still. Boxes everywhere. I wouldn't even know where to. Where to begin to Christian it at.

[Julian]

That's the perfect time to christen it, though.

[Rory]

Yeah. But then once you, like, post nut clarity, you look at everything that you still got to unpack. You're like.

[Julian]

Well, then she helps you. Yeah, she's like, task rabbit with.

[Rory]

I don't know.

[Damaris]

Okay.

[Rory]

I don't know if I want task rabbit box, but. Okay.

[Julian]

Well, just think of it as a woman that helps you out after she helps you out.

[Rory]

Not task. Grab it, Rabbit Movers. Thank you again to my guy Anthony. I need Mercedes. Thank you very much.

[Julian]

Just come to my crib and move something at this point. Yeah, I need to get something out.

[Rory]

Of this, but, no, I'm just. Just unpacking. Did that all weekend. Watched a couple games, and that was it.

[Julian]

We thinking modern chic?

[Rory]

What.

[Julian]

What style are we?

[Rory]

Very, very, very modern. Very minimal. I'm a minimal guy now. Like, I'm. I'm getting rid of, like, a lot of shit that I have. I'm just like, yo, I'm just at that point where I wish I could wear the same shit every day. I wish I could, like, you know, just keep the same aesthetic day in and day out. That's what I'm at.

[Julian]

Color palette. Are we thinking pastels?

[Rory]

No, not. Yo. Walking into my crib and seeing pastels.

[Julian]

Like Willy Wonka The Chocolate Factory. When I walk in, kind of, you.

[Rory]

Know, real, like, white, gold, Black.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

Like, you know, Cartelli. Yeah.

[Mal]

Okay.

[Rory]

Little. Little. You know, keep it. Keeping in that. In that. In that family.

[Julian]

You give me, like, red leather couch.

[Rory]

God, no. God, no. You would never see some cheetah print. You would never see red leather anywhere in my. In my vicinity.

[Julian]

I feel like you're gonna have a Miami Vice room, though.

[Mal]

A white fireplace.

[Rory]

No. No. Maybe house. Yeah. I would do a white fireplace if it was a house. That's dope.

[Julian]

My whole life, I wanted to have a crib that looked like the crib in belly that DMX had. And then I became an adult and was, like, keeping that house clean. Must have been a nightmare.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, coming back from a robbery after murdering a bunch of people.

[Rory]

And then you're in the White House.

[Julian]

Just irresponsibly sitting on a couch.

[Rory]

There's blood everywhere.

[Julian]

You guys just came from the tunnel and you had a triple murder.

[Rory]

Detectives won't have no problem solving this case.

[Julian]

They know.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Julian]

Also, committing a murder and then going to play pool by yourself is funny.

[Rory]

To me for some reason. Yeah. You know, clarity.

[Mal]

You know, I don't like the all white look. It's just too sterile. It reminds me of a doctor's office.

[Rory]

You don't like the all white look? Wow. Talk about change.

[Julian]

I know, right?

[Mal]

Just.

[Julian]

I mean, with the. With the big windows, it helps.

[Rory]

Just this. This month.

[Mal]

That's just for the month.

[Rory]

Yeah. All right, cool. Get it.

[Julian]

That's funny. So it was just unpacking for the weekend.

[Rory]

That was it. Unpacked. Watched a couple games. Shout out to the New York Knicks.

[Mal]

Are we shouting them out?

[Rory]

Of course.

[Mal]

That was upsetting, man. It was lie. And I had to deal with so much.

[Rory]

Three of their starters is out. It's okay.

[Mal]

That's what I'm saying.

[Rory]

Like, that's what they fumble.

[Mal]

Pressure.

[Rory]

It's. It's okay. They're sitting comfortable.

[Mal]

Third place, 500.

[Rory]

Jalen Brunson is officially my vote for MVP this year. But we'll save the sports talk for later on.

[Julian]

Yeah, I enjoyed watching the game. I had a pretty calm weekend. I went thrifting, which was fun. But the highlight of it, I found out that I'm a Black woman according to 23andMe.

[Rory]

Really? I thought you were Irish. Jewish. Ashkenazi, Yes.

[Julian]

I thought I was 97% Irish and 3% Zionist, but I get emails from 23andMe that I don't put in, like, my junk mail.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Because I Want to read them? I get this on Sunday evening. You descend from a long line of female ancestors that can be traced back to eastern Africa over 150,000 years ago. These are the people of your maternal line. And your maternal hoplo group sheds light onto their stories. They just want me to buy some more shit. So, yeah, I can find out about my tribe. But it was nice to find out Sunday evening watching the Grammys. I felt snubbed after I got that email.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Really felt like I was part of it.

[Rory]

So you found out during Black History, Black History Month that you are a black woman. Yes.

[Mal]

That's good marketing on their part.

[Rory]

Oh, I like that.

[Julian]

So now, like, when. What's that Kendrick Drake song, East African Girl? Like, I can really wrap those lyrics now.

[Mal]

You too busy with your other man?

[Julian]

Yeah, that's me. I'm too busy.

[Rory]

Was that poetic justice? Yes. Okay. Yes. East African Girl. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if Drake had a record called that, but I wouldn't be surprised. Being from Toronto, I would not be surprised. If Drake has a record called East.

[Julian]

Africa, he should look in. Maybe he is eastern African.

[Mal]

Maybe you could be the video vixen for that. Rory, since you're now an East African.

[Julian]

Girl, I would have to check in with Brittany sky, who was the actual video vixen in that.

[Damaris]

Shout out to Brittany Sky.

[Julian]

Oh, friend of the show. We love Brittany. She was. That's my friend.

[Mal]

Your casting options? Britney Scott.

[Julian]

I would have to check in with her. Like, I don't want to make her feel away, you know, like, if I.

[Rory]

Do the remake, don't step on Brittany's toe.

[Julian]

Going from Britney to me is nuts.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's a nasty video. I don't want.

[Julian]

I don't think Dave and Kendrick want to take the company that way.

[Rory]

I'm cool. I think they're cool.

[Julian]

But it seems like Grammys were the talk of the weekend, more or less.

[Rory]

The Grammys are always a talk. And every year we say we're not watching. We don't care about the Grammys. We create our own show to.

[Julian]

To.

[Rory]

To support our culture and to, you know, appreciate our artists. We say that every year. And then every year, we find ourselves Sunday in February, surrounded, sitting by the tv, watching the Grammys. So again this weekend, another Grammy Sunday comes around, and we are all sitting at the television watching some of our favorite artists either get snubbed, either get celebrated finding out who some new artists are that we never even heard about.

[Julian]

So, yeah, I enjoyed that we all got to watch it together. We watched on Discord Live, and this isn't even a plug. This is just like, I thought was cool. I didn't know you could watch the actual show in Discord while you can talk to everyone else on Discord. Yeah, like, now I want to watch every event. I want to watch the Knicks game, like, with the Patreon crew. That was so much fun. We sat, we watched, and we debated. Even though I am an East African woman, I am here to ask, what do you guys want from the Grammys at this point?

[Rory]

Well, I think that was the big.

[Julian]

Debate in our Discord. People were upset. Rightfully so. I understand. I'm team SOS but what more do you guys want from the gr. It's the Grammys.

[Rory]

I don't. What do you. What do you mean? You keep saying it's the Grammys. Like, what does that mean? It sounds like you're saying something but not saying something.

[Julian]

They have to cover all bases. And I'm not saying they do an amazing job at it. They've gotten better, and people are still honored to some degree. Like, they can't just go across the board with the R and B. We like. It's the Grammys. I get the outrage. I think SZA should have won over Taylor Swift. But I'm also on the side of I get it. It's Taylor Swift.

[Rory]

I mean, it's.

[Julian]

What do you guys want from the Grammys? It's the Grammys. The whole music world.

[Rory]

I think that Jay Z's speech was spot on, and I think it aged pretty well by the end of the night. Love Taylor Swift. I think you'll be a fool to think that Taylor Swift isn't talented. She isn't a great artist. She isn't a great performer. Obviously, she has an incredible fan base, but it's just. It gets to a point where it's like, okay, four albums of the year. No other artist has ever done it. Stevie won it three times. Michael Jackson won it once. And these are just, you know, can.

[Julian]

We pull up the four years that she's won? Just album of the year.

[Rory]

Right?

[Julian]

She won album of the year four years in a row or four times?

[Rory]

Four times.

[Damaris]

Four times. Not four years in a row.

[Mal]

I believe it's four out of the last five years.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's just. I mean, we could have the conversation. The Grammy committee is a. Is a. Is. Because, first of all, this is all subjective. Music is subjective. The artist that you like is subjective. It's whatever you like. That's up to you. But in Jay's speech, he said, even by your metrics, if somebody wins more Grammys than anybody, they've won more Grammys than anybody ever. But they've never won album of the year. There's something wrong there.

[Julian]

Is there?

[Rory]

Yes, there is.

[Julian]

I think Beyonce, whatever Lemonade went against, I think it should have won. I agree that Beyonce, you think, you.

[Rory]

Think, you think she should have won, and a lot of other people think she should have won.

[Julian]

But also at the same time, I'm not really seeing the point. It's also a time cycle. Like, Beyonce has put out how many albums now? 10? 9?

[Damaris]

We would have to look that up. I'm. I'm thinking seven, but all right, that sounds about right.

[Julian]

In those cycles of her winning all those Grammys for songs, collaborations, performances, writing, whatever, maybe that year four shouldn't have won against an album of someone that has way less Grammys. Like, it can happen as far as time goes. It needs to time up correctly too.

[Rory]

Yeah, but it's just. It gets to a point where, again, this is all. It's a, it's a committee, it's a. It's a group of people that vote. It's a group of people that come to a decision on who wins each of these awards. So it comes a point when it's like, okay, what are y'all trying to say by giving Taylor Swift four albums of the year? No other artist has ever done it. Love Taylor, but she's not the greatest artist of all time, in my humble opinion. She's not a greater artist than Stevie Wonder. She's definitely not a greater artist than Michael Jackson. So what do we, what, what exactly are we trying to say here?

[Julian]

Look, you have to look at the league too. Like, you could compare stats with certain players, but if they're in completely different decades, yeah, they're not very comparable. It's not like Taylor went up against Stevie in his prime and Taylor won.

[Rory]

No, but the playing field is just.

[Julian]

Is different at the moment. It's not saying that she's better than Stevie.

[Rory]

Correct. But she also has done something that no other artist has ever done, and she's not as great as some of these artists that never won or didn't.

[Julian]

Win for even though I agree with you, that's still opinion based.

[Rory]

It's all opinion based.

[Julian]

Grammys for the most part, goes off impact numbers and audience where Taylor Swift has smoked all those categories for the last decade.

[Rory]

All right, well, if we're going off.

[Julian]

Hasn'T even been if we're going off.

[Rory]

Impact numbers and audience, then Michael Jackson should have more than one album of the year. Correct?

[Julian]

Yes, I agree. But what was bad going against? I don't know.

[Rory]

It doesn't matter.

[Julian]

I don't know. It does matter.

[Damaris]

It does matter.

[Rory]

How does it matter? Because there's no other artist that ever was as big, that had a bigger audience, that sold more than Michael Jackson.

[Damaris]

I'm sure.

[Rory]

I don't care what year his album came out.

[Damaris]

I'm sure that. That Michael has been snubbed before, but Michael had a lot. Michael's competition was way tougher than Taylor Swift's competition is. Michael was going against Stevie and Whitney, and that's who Michael was going against. Are you seeing what I'm saying? Like, he wasn't going against Olivia Rodrigo and some unknown country singer. Like, he was going against people that we. It was legends going against legends at that time.

[Rory]

Correct.

[Damaris]

So, yeah, the hill was a little steeper for him to climb.

[Rory]

Yeah. But again, we're talking about people that are just sitting in a room. This is not like this is a committee. These are people that are voting for this. So to sit and vote for the same artist to win album of the year four times, you gotta start to think that, okay, there's something going on behind the scenes that we now, again, love Taylor Swift. I'm not saying she's not deserving of album of the year. I'm just saying we have to start looking at the process of giving out these awards. Who's in these rooms, what's exactly going on?

[Julian]

But if someone continues to dominate, you can't move the goalpost and be like, well, she's got it three years in a row. Let's try to give someone else a chance. Like, it's not. It's not little league.

[Rory]

It's not. It's not. It's. It's not. But what I'm saying is, at some point, you have to start looking at the process. You have to start looking at the people in the room. You have to start.

[Julian]

Sure.

[Rory]

Further, like, looking further into this thing. Because, again, when you're as dominant as Taylor is, has. Has the huge audience that she does that, that, you know, has the touring resume that she does. Incredible artist, and she deserves her accolades and she deserves to be praised the way she is, because she is a very, very talented artist. I don't want to take that from her. But when you continuously give someone album of the year and they got it four times and no other artist, and we do know there are greater artists than Taylor Swift that have come across this music industry, you gotta start looking at shit just a little differently. Like, all right, what's exactly going on here? Like, why is this particular artist being pushed and being placed in this position when we know throughout history no other artist that not so arguably was greater than Taylor didn't accomplish what she did?

[Julian]

Okay, well, I can see, because I'm tinfoil hat man, that there may be an agenda at the beginning of Taylor's career and some of the opportunities she got and what they were trying to push, I will never argue there, but that would just make the Grammys part of a way larger scheme around Taylor Swift. I can't see a world where they don't give it to the most dominant person, because we've seen them do that time and time again where it's actually been real snubs that they can't explain down to Macklemore beating. Nothing was the same. Magna Carta, Good Kid, Mad City, and Yeezus, all of those. Like, to me, that's just that crazy.

[Mal]

That's.

[Julian]

That's a straight up, like, yo, who the was in that room moment. Now Taylor on the other end, I don't feel that way because she's been dominant every dom. Single category. I know Ma was dominant that year, but come on, this is like, what do you do with this?

[Mal]

This is Taylor's.

[Julian]

This is the Patriots and Brady. Like, yeah, it's annoying that they're in the Super Bowl 10 times, but what are you going to say?

[Mal]

He wins if winners win.

[Julian]

And I get it, they stole some signs. I'm sure Taylor's had some opportunities that they pushed for a certain agenda, but she continues to fucking win Super Bowls.

[Rory]

And again, I'm going to keep saying it, not saying Taylor isn't deserving. I'm not saying she isn't an incredible artist. She absolutely is. I'm just saying that when you start to see certain things happening to some artists and it never happened to other artists that are greater than. I think there's a conversation to be.

[Julian]

I think the climate has a lot to do with it and who you're going against. We. We've seen it with Drake, we've seen it with Nas. We've seen it with Leo in the.

[Mal]

Movie business, like, yeah, sometimes Revenant isn't Leo's best film.

[Julian]

Yeah, like, he needed.

[Mal]

That was the. That was the best moment for him to get the Oscar, that he was long overdue, because in years past, there were other movies that would go against him. That at that time made more sense to give it to. Than to Leo.

[Julian]

And even though he's saying drastically better than everyone in. In that category and has his filmography is drastically better than everyone he's going up against that year, that movie was just better than what Leo did.

[Mal]

Like, every other movie that Leo was probably up against was like, there was that Avatar. It was like a slave movie. And it's like, well, he can't win the. You can't give it to Leo if, like, this was the movie that made everyone cry across the world. So it's like, all right, sorry, Leo. Maybe next time. And then he finally got Revenant's not his best film.

[Rory]

So. So. So let me just ask you a direct question. You don't think that it's absolutely insane that Beyonce has never won album of the year?

[Mal]

I. I make. I know. No, because if you look at it, I'm sure there's a reason why they didn't give it to her every year on paper, that sounds.

[Rory]

I'm not. I. I never said every year. I'm saying. Do you not think it's absurd that Beyonce has never won album of the year?

[Mal]

I think the year she should have won. And I'm not. But again. Because again, if we're talking, it's all subjective. I don't listen to Beck's music. But that year that Beck won, What was it? 2016, I believe. And when Beyonce's Lemonade lost to Beck, that's the year that I would have. That I was like, okay, this is.

[Julian]

That's a snub.

[Mal]

That's.

[Rory]

That's.

[Mal]

That's the toughest one for me to look at. Be like, Beyonce should have won that.

[Rory]

Okay, so that's. This is. This is all. I'm just asking you a direct question. So you agree that she has been snubbed one year. So she, at least. In your humble opinion, she at least deserves one.

[Mal]

A lot of. But that's not exclusive to Beyonce. A lot of great artists get snubbed.

[Rory]

Stay with me. I'm not saying it's exclusive to Beyonce. I'm saying you at least agree that Beyonce should have at least one album of the year. That's all I'm saying. Taylor Swift has four. Beyonce doesn't have none. And you agree that she should have at least one.

[Mal]

Yeah, but that doesn't take away anything that Taylor Swift.

[Rory]

I'm not trying to. Stay with me. I'm not trying to take anything away from Taylor Swift. I'm saying that there is a conversation that needs to be had about this process, about. About these people that are in this voting, on this voting committee, behind these Grammy doors. Because something is obviously going on. That's all I'm saying.

[Damaris]

And I just do want to make note that there were anonymous people who vote for the Grammys. Several of them admitted that Beyonce wins so often that they voted elsewhere the last time she was up for album of the year.

[Rory]

Okay, so now. So now we have that.

[Damaris]

But nobody does that for Tiki.

[Rory]

That's called. That's called voters fatigue. It's the reason why Michael Jordan didn't win MVP every year he was in NBA. It's the reason why Jokic didn't win his third MVP in a row. You understand what I'm saying? So we know that this thing happens, but why has it not happened with Taylor Swift?

[Damaris]

Exactly.

[Rory]

This is all I'm asking. And I'm.

[Mal]

That's a better angle.

[Rory]

And again. And again, I'm not saying Taylor Swift is not a deserving artist. Taylor Swift is incredible. I'm a Swifty. I'm on record saying it. I think she's incredible.

[Julian]

Well, was it condescending sketch, but yeah.

[Rory]

No, but, I mean, I wouldn't have said it if I didn't kind of.

[Julian]

Like the whole bit with sarcasm.

[Rory]

Yeah. But I kind of. I kind of meant it like, I think Taylor's dope. I think she's amazing. If I had the opportunity to go to a Taylor Swift concert, I would go. But that's all I'm saying. It just gets to a point where it's like, okay, do I feel like SZA should have won Absolutely all the records that she broke with SOS the numbers that she put up, just the replay value of the album alone, flat.

[Julian]

Out better album, in my opinion.

[Rory]

In my humble opinion. I just feel like SOS was a better album to me. And again, music is subjective. Who you like. All of that is. Your opinion is subjective. I just feel like SZA had an incredible year and a half with this album. The numbers, the songs. It just felt like the Grammys were gonna get this right and say, you know what? Maybe have voters fatigue. Taylor has three. Let's go a different angle this year. Let's give it to SZA in SOS Incredible, incredible year. And again, they gave it to Taylor.

[Damaris]

Well, Taylor Anti Hero had the numbers. Taylor also had the numbers in the records.

[Rory]

She's gonna always have the numbers.

[Damaris]

Yeah, she's gonna always.

[Rory]

She has an incredible fan base. She's gonna always have the numbers. But again, I'M just talking about, like you said, where's the voter's fatigue when it comes to her?

[Damaris]

Exactly. That's my point as well.

[Rory]

That's all I'm saying.

[Mal]

You think? Because knowing. Cause then we know the politics of the Grammys. It's like, okay, if two. One award obviously outweighs the other, but if two kind of echo each other, we can give the person the nod in this category, but hand the real one to the person that we know optically would look bigger for the Grammy. So what I'm saying in this case, sizzle one.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

She won contemporary urban contemporary album. So in the scope of this Grammys, I'm imagining the committee was like, okay, here's her.

[Rory]

See, but see, Julian, that's. That's. That's like.

[Mal]

I'm just. That's the politics behind it.

[Rory]

That's the doggy treatment. That's the. Okay, here, Pat on the back here, good boy. You know, take your treat and go. But you're not going to give this person album of the year. But I gave you urban contemporary.

[Julian]

Like. And by the way, that is super insulting because. Yep, SOS is not an urban contemporary album at all.

[Rory]

It's not.

[Julian]

Leans pop on the second half.

[Rory]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Julian]

So that. That is 100%.

[Rory]

And I. And I. And I can only sit here and think that they purposely gave it that feel on the second end of the album to say, you know what? Let's put this energy on the album just so the Grammy won't have this to say that, oh, it. It was too urban. It was too contemporary. It was too. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

Like, they even snooze. If snooze was from a white woman, it would be not under R and B song. It would be a pop. Like, SOS is very much a pop out. Of course it's R and B. But to just throw urban contemporary because SZA is black is. It's super offensive. It's offensive, like, right in everyone's face.

[Rory]

And we know exactly. And we know what it is. And I just think that it's okay. And I think that it's time for us to have that conversation. We understand. We know what's going on. But it's like, hey, and which again, which is why Jay's speech was so. Point was so. Was so spot on. Because it's like, listen, we're not saying other people aren't deserving. We just asking you to get it right. That's all. Just get it right. Somebody can't have more Grammys. Than anyone ever in the history of the Grammys, but don't have an album of the year that feels like it's purposely done, that feels like that's not an accident, that's not a coincidence, that is by design, that is by choice. So there's a problem here. And, you know, I mean, this is the biggest night of music. This is the biggest night of entertainment. You know, whether we want to support it or not, that's just what it is in the culture now. But to Rory's point of what more do we want from the Grammys or what do we want? I just think that we want them to stop acting like we don't see what's happening, stop acting like we don't get what's happening and just start to make changes, which I think they've made some. Some progress in Killer Mike 1, 3, you know, so I think that they've made some changes, but let's. Let's continue to. To step towards making changes and. And getting it right. I think that's what we want.

[Damaris]

I'm not. I'm not gonna lie. I. I think they got it right this year and everything, but Album of the year, I'm not gonna lie. I think I was watching it like, oh, that's who I would have voted for. That's why I would have voted for. I think they got it right. Except. Well, except for what? They usually get it wrong in every category for. So for them to get it right.

[Rory]

If they would have given SZA Album of the Year top to bottom, this may have been one of the 100. I would. I would have no issues with any of the Grammys last night.

[Julian]

I think what would help would be if the committee, one, showed their faces and two, explained the criteria for everything. So, for example, we're talking about Taylor Swift versus A. If you're going by sheer impact in numbers, Taylor Swift obviously wins. I agree that Killer Mike should win Best Rap Album, but if you're going off the standards that we used for Album of the year with Taylor and Sza Drake, it's not reflecting in the rap category.

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

That's where they're just. I think that's the real issue. They're all over the place with how they judge things. If there was a set criteria of why people are voting for what they're voting for, then I think you wouldn't get Jay Z standing on stage saying, like, hey, we want you to get it right, because flat out, this is how we judge it. Can't argue that. All right. Yeah, Taylor. Taylor sold the most. Most impact. She's gonna get the most views for advertising. More people are going to watch this Taylor. Then everyone would be like, well, that's up. But I get it. Central are flat out saying, this is what we're doing. But do that across the board. I'm happy Michael won. I think it was the best rap album for sure. But if I'm Travis Scott, I'm upset. Yeah, he's what, 4.2 billion streams in an hour or some, like, selling out arenas? I'd be pissed too.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

If we're doing that with Taylor, why can't we do it with Travis?

[Damaris]

Yeah. Is it the best or is it the biggest? Because, like, for example, they have the record. I was just talking to Julian about Record of the Year versus Song of the Year. When we were watching the Grammys on Discord. Shouts everybody on Discord. When Miley Cyrus won Record of the Year for Flowers, I was like, oh, that's not fair. I believe it should go to Billie Eilish for what was I made for? Because it's the better song. But when they break it down, they're like, no, Record of the Year is the song you couldn't escape. That is mainly for the artist.

[Rory]

That Miley Cyrus record you couldn't escape.

[Damaris]

Yeah, you couldn't get away from it.

[Rory]

It's a great record.

[Damaris]

But Song of the Year is more of a songwriter's award. It's about the actual meat and potatoes of the song. What is the song about? It's more of a storytelling award. So then I'm like, okay, well, Billie Eilish definitely should have won Song of the Year, which she did. And Miley deserved record. So there's a clear cut difference in that. I just wish, like, you guys said the criteria for the other ones and.

[Julian]

I guess, like, more stable. Is it even more offensive that they try to, like, make up for it in other categories?

[Mal]

That's what I'm. That that's.

[Julian]

But then I think that's more offensive because now you're discrediting what Travis has built in the last 10 years as a phenom in the rap world. Now we're discrediting what he's done in the urban space.

[Mal]

Yeah, he was nominated.

[Julian]

So we can be like, oh, we got the killer Mike underground shit so we feel better. Yeah, like that's kind of, I think, an offensive route as well.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Because now you're discrediting black artists that are pop stars in their own fucking right, even if they don't make pop music. I mean, because Travis has broken records, has done phenomenal things, push the genre forward, we're gonna discredit that. Only in the rap category.

[Rory]

I. I agree with you with Travis. I. I didn't like that album as much.

[Julian]

Same. I think Killer Mike should have won, but they're moving the goal post in different.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Is it number or is it.

[Rory]

If you asking me quality. Her loss was the best rap album in that category.

[Mal]

I. I agree.

[Julian]

Now, Killer Mike, personally, most replay value.

[Rory]

For me, Killer Mike's album was dope. But if we're talking again, if we're gonna just kind of sort of lean toward how they give it to Taylor, you're talking about touring, impact, you know, tickets sold and all of these other things. I mean, the Drake 21 Savage Tour was incredible. The album was incredible. This is Drake, one of the biggest artists in the world. Like, you know what I mean? So again, like Rory says, we can't move the goal post and make it convenient for the committee when they want it to be as far as how they vote. And I think that's all people were trying to say when we were in the discord talking about it, you know, Julia said, what did Julian say? Oh, she moved the needle on the economy or some shit like that. And I was just like, okay, but for who? Yes, Tor generated billions. Like, great, but move the needle for who? The parking lot attendant didn't get a raise at any of those venues. The concession stand lady didn't get a raise at any of those venues. So it's like, yeah, okay, so she generated a billion. She has to pay taxes. Pretty sure account is pretty good. So yeah, she.

[Julian]

But I mean, maybe it. How much money she made helped the debt we owe.

[Mal]

She boost local economy to then go.

[Julian]

To our inflation problem. Even if she moved a little bit. I'm happy Hotels.

[Mal]

You're. I mean, there's a lot.

[Rory]

But so did. So did her loss. So when Drake and 21 or so you think that.

[Mal]

Not to this scale, obviously. All.

[Rory]

Yes, of course not the scale of Taylor.

[Julian]

Each Taylor fan spent 1300 on average. On average to go see her, which is crazy. That's insane.

[Mal]

There were people, statisticians that went so far as to looking into hotels the weekend before, but that happens.

[Rory]

But that happens with any. When Beyonce comes to town, when the.

[Mal]

Increase in the amount of money that was brought in, I mean, they did. The data says in total it was a $5 billion surplus to the economy based on totaling all the cities that she went to. Like, that's tangible.

[Rory]

I get that. But that's not enough for me to be like, oh, that's the album of the year. Sure. No, because again, because again, that has.

[Mal]

Nothing to do with the music.

[Rory]

So. All right, so again, because if that was the case, then Michael Jackson should have how many albums of the year? That's all I'm saying. Like, so we can't bend and lean to kind of like, you know, make it justifiable. It has to be a clear concise, like, yo, this is what it is.

[Julian]

You're not doing all that without people wanting to go hear that album.

[Rory]

I mean, when you have a Rory, you know better than most, when you have a built in fan base like Taylor Swift has, sure, your album can be absolutely terrible and people are still gonna come out and see you live.

[Julian]

She just in that even amongst a cult fan base of this not being like, I'm a member of the people.

[Rory]

I'm pretty sure this.

[Julian]

I remember when there's been.

[Rory]

I'm pretty sure amongst the Swifties. This album is not her greatest one ever.

[Damaris]

Actually. They think it is one of her. One of her good ones. But she has lost before. So, like, she's lost album of the year before.

[Rory]

Oh, I would hope so.

[Damaris]

Yeah. Like, no, like, she's also.

[Rory]

She's also one more than anybody ever in Grammy history. Let's say that in the same breath.

[Damaris]

And I do want to correct that. Sorry. Julian made a point earlier. Sizzle won best Progressive R and B album. Yeah, it was not urban.

[Julian]

It was progressive, but they changed. Like I was reading it, Julian's right and wrong. So Best Progressive R and B album is also titled Best Urban Contemporary Album. This category was one of three newly created categories.

[Rory]

They're trying to. They're trying to remove the urban word.

[Julian]

In June 2020, the Recording Academy announced no longer the Master announced renaming and redefining primary category, its new name.

[Mal]

The one where they didn't rape the slaves was best.

[Julian]

Yeah, they were urban people.

[Mal]

Hold us.

[Rory]

Yes, the old us. We're progressive now.

[Julian]

Calling slaves urban is the most contradictory thing. They were, they were not in an urban space.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just, you know, listen, man, and you know, not. We don't want. I don't want to stay on this too much longer, but you know, I just, again, I just, I just would like to see the steps in the right direction. And again, I think last night, for the most part, they, like Demara said, they did get most of it right. You know, the people that I think deserved it got the awards. I just Was really looking forward to SZA winning the album with you. Shout out to Victoria Monet. I can't. We can't.

[Mal]

Big night for her.

[Rory]

Shout out to Victoria Monet. I was so happy that she won. She won a Grammy.

[Damaris]

She won three.

[Rory]

Yeah, three Grammys. So deserving. Great year for her. Great year for her team.

[Julian]

Shout out to D Mile as well.

[Rory]

Well deserved.

[Damaris]

Yeah, Yanni too. Yanni got one.

[Julian]

Yanni. Yanni is Grammy award winning now. I love that for him. I just. I mean, that record was like, undeniable. I hadn't heard an undeniable record like that in a long time.

[Damaris]

Well, I'm a mama.

[Julian]

Yeah, like that. The day that video dropped, even if you saw like the 10 second snippet that they were, you know, promoting, it was like, oh, this is refreshing to have an undeniable record within the first 10 seconds that I hear.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like, this isn't going anywhere.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So I'm really happy she was recognized.

[Rory]

That record feels like she can have a Pepsi commercial during the Super Bowl.

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure.

[Julian]

Yeah. Hell yeah.

[Rory]

That feels like a Pepsi. Super. Super bowl commercial.

[Damaris]

So she won. She won Best Engineered Album, Non Classical. She won Best New Artist. Um, and she also won best R.

[Rory]

And B album, which is disrespectful because Victoria Monet is not a new artist.

[Damaris]

No, but they count it for your breakout year.

[Rory]

I get it. But yeah, Victoria's been doing her thing for a while.

[Damaris]

She has.

[Julian]

I mean, I feel like Jelly Roll was snubbed, but, you know, shout out.

[Damaris]

To Victoria, White boy.

[Mal]

We saw one shot of Ice Spice during the Grammys.

[Julian]

I'm going to be quiet.

[Damaris]

Rory said, Rory hit me. Oh, my God. Rory sent me a video of Ice Spice, right. Trying to hug Beyonce. And he's like, I told you the clock was on. I'm like, Beyonce is just tired of hugging people. She's been hugging people.

[Julian]

She hugged someone immediately after I Spice.

[Mal]

There's another video that shows her hugging Ice. But I'm sure she taking a photo with her.

[Julian]

I was being addicted.

[Damaris]

Blue was more excited to see Ice Spice.

[Rory]

And I mean, back to Taylor, man.

[Mal]

Jesus Christ.

[Rory]

I ain't going to lie. I don't like the way she just had Celine Dion standing there. Didn't speak to her, didn't say hello.

[Mal]

That was a bad looking club. That wasn't good.

[Rory]

Are you kidding me? Like, do you know who that is standing right there?

[Damaris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rory]

That's one of the greatest voices we've ever been blessed to be. And like, you got her standing There, like, she was just working at the Grammys.

[Damaris]

And she's also been sick for a while. That was her first time seeing her without a wheelchair, without a cane. She's been sick for a while, so.

[Rory]

Didn't even say. Didn't. Didn't say hello to her. Didn't hug her. Her PR team, they got that photo after and put that on the Internet, though. Made sure that people. You know what I mean? Understood. Like, no, she. She spoke to her, and she. You know, but that was a little like, yo, that's. That's Ms. Celine Dion standing right there. Like, you don't.

[Julian]

That's a goat.

[Rory]

You don't do that. You don't. You don't have her standing. I get it. You're excited. Say hello to your team and all that.

[Julian]

She's surprised. Yeah.

[Rory]

No, she's never been surprised. She's never. She's never won album of the year before. It was such a surprise.

[Damaris]

She dragged Lana Del. So Lana Del Re was nominated in that category with her.

[Mal]

Yeah, that was weird.

[Damaris]

She. Lana was sitting next to her. You know, they're cool.

[Julian]

They.

[Damaris]

They. Lana was on Taylor's album. She dragged Lana up to the stage, and Lana's like, no, no, no. Mind you, Lana just lost, like, her album lost. She's like. Drags her up to stage and, like, Lana's, like, standing behind her all awkwardly. That was just so.

[Julian]

I didn't even notice that she gives me.

[Mal]

She brought her on the stage.

[Damaris]

I was cringing the entire time. Lana is, like, actively, like, pulling away from her, and she dragged. Look, she dragged up on stage with her. Lana did not want to.

[Mal]

And then Lana just stood in the.

[Damaris]

Back while you celebrate the album that beat out my album. And with all due respect, Lana Del Rey kind of, like, birthed this, like, the new pop white girl indie music. And she doesn't get her things for. And she hasn't been able to because Taylor's success has been stomping on her for, like, the past 10 years. So. Yeah.

[Julian]

I mean, I did not realize she. That's fudged up.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah. I just. Again, that I'm gonna be a dick.

[Julian]

If I just pull my hand back, like.

[Rory]

Yeah, because you don't want it to look too awkward. Yeah.

[Julian]

So the point is, Kanye was right once again.

[Damaris]

No, Kanye is the reason why we have. Kanye is the reason why we're going through this shit. Because when he did that, he made her a victim, and he made her America's sweetheart. He made her a victim when he.

[Julian]

She was going to be America's sweetheart?

[Damaris]

I don't think so. I think he actually made. Even if she was going to be big, I think he made it just a little worse. He gave people someone to root for. He made her an underdog. And this is what we have.

[Julian]

She was at that. VMA is already singing about how mad she was at the cheerleaders, and she wears T shirts like she was already.

[Mal]

The video was hard.

[Damaris]

Yeah. I mean, I still believe it should have won over Beyonce's, but I'm. I know.

[Julian]

One of the most iconic videos of all time. I'm with Kanye.

[Rory]

I see why you thought that she should have won over Single Ladies.

[Damaris]

The video at the. At the time, they ran up a white wall at the time. Yes. Now, as I look back, Beyonce's video has had a longer lasting impact. But at the time, as a fan of both songs and both videos, that Taylor video was everywhere. It was huge.

[Julian]

The Single Ladies dance was like.

[Damaris]

Yes, it was. But Taylor's video was also really big too. I'm just. As a girl who was a teenager at the time, I'm telling you.

[Rory]

Well, congrats to. To all the Grammy winners, the Grammy nominees, producers, songwriters, everybody that was honored, shout out to Jay for winning the Dr. Dre Global Impact Award. That's what it was. Global impact. Right.

[Julian]

Do you think there was some contradictory statements in his speech? Yes, I liked his speech a lot, but which one? I fully understand people contradictory. Telling artists that they will be snubbed, but to still continue to show up.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Show up to the Grammys or show up as far as, like, keep putting your best work.

[Julian]

It was a little unclear, and I can understand why people interpret it as, hey, they're not going to get it right or please try to get it right. We're begging you to get it right, but we know you're gonna get it wrong. But black artists, please continue to show up here. I'm not saying that's what Jay said, but I fully understand people interpreting it that way.

[Rory]

Okay, so let's play both sides of it. If he was saying, please continue to show up to the Grammys, to the actual show, I can understand that as well. When you are deserving of something, sometimes it is good to show up to the show and sit there.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And watch them snub you and have to look you in your face and have the camera pan to you.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

And have you on the screen like it's.

[Julian]

Have Macklemore post the text messages.

[Rory]

Right. Because then you get situations like people sitting down on Podcasts talking about it and expressing the fact that that person was snubbed or that person, they got that category wrong. So I think it is important to continue to show up. You want to, even if you feel slighted. I think that again, and it seems like it's always with black people, we have to always have a certain amount of grace and class, and, you know, we just have to show up and still look good, even though we're being disrespected and not being, you know, appreciated as much as we should be. That's just a part of who we are at this point. So I think that that is important. And as far as showing up is putting your best foot forward and putting your best work out and. And being the greatest artist that you can be, I think you should always do that. No matter who awards you or doesn't award you. I think that that's just something that you continue to do because you love what you're doing, you're passionate about what you're doing, and being great is something that a lot of people was put here to do. So on both sides of it, I understand it.

[Julian]

And, I mean, for the most part in life in general, I tend to be in the gray area of a lot of things. I don't think everything is so cut and dry. I think you can have problems with the system, but still participate in it in an attempt to change it by participating in it. So I fully think artists should continue to go to the Grammys, even though they do snub a lot of artists. But I fully understand the people that say, pick a side, boycott the. Or, shut up. Like, don't accept an award. Even though I think it's great that Dr. Dre has an award named after him and it's, you know, something that they're adding in. And Jay Z got the first one. Right. Where's what this Dr. Dre award?

[Damaris]

Yeah, I think so.

[Julian]

Yeah. I believe Dre got it last year naming the award, and Jay is the second slash, first real winner. Yeah, I understand the people that are saying, if you're gonna make a comment about that, then go all the way with it. Say the Grammys don't accept an award from them, and no one show up to really show the difference in the impact. If SIZ is not performing, if you don't have everyone in these categories, if Drake doesn't show up, if Travis doesn't show up, if people that really move the needle in the world don't show up, Grammys is forced to have to recognize Certain things I get when people say that. So I understood some of the backlash Jay got in that speech. Again, I'm someone that lives in the gray area. I think it's great that Dr. Dre has this award. So Drake and pick the people that he thinks should be honored. I think it's great that they did their version of a verse swap Jay Z's halftime show gave to Dre, and then he, you know, verse swapped him for the Icon Award. Like, there was a funny theory on discord. I won't say who said it, but she made a good point, and it did make sense why it seemed like Jay was freestyling a bit during his speech. That was supposed to go to Puff and they had to change it.

[Rory]

No. Why? I don't think so.

[Julian]

He was nominated. As far as music goes, he would deserve it.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I think it would be a huge.

[Rory]

Moment for the global impact. Yes.

[Julian]

I think it'd be a huge moment for Dr. Dre to give Puff that award. I think the two of them on stage would be great. I think there's a lot of symbolism of where hip hop is right now that would be great for them. You know, Puff getting nominated for R and B album of the year and a few other things would have been all over that red carpet. Would have been hosting the whole weekend. It would have been Puff's Grammys. We know it.

[Damaris]

Yep.

[Julian]

He would have had all his kids. It would have been the Puff Daddy Grammy Awards. But know that because that's who Puff is.

[Rory]

Only reason why I can't go with that is because it's not like Jay just found out last night that he was getting this award.

[Julian]

I. Yeah, no, no, of course I know. He wasn't, like, at home and they called him.

[Rory]

He knew three months ago that he was getting this award.

[Julian]

And I'm saying they didn't really promote it. No, I think there was a bigger plan where Puff would have been promoted, as we know.

[Rory]

Shit.

[Julian]

I didn't know Jay and Beyonce were going until Trevor Noah said, you said Jane Beyonce. I was like, oh, great.

[Mal]

You could even tell based on the crowd's reaction in that opening monologue that when he said that, they thought he was joking. So people weren't sure if they should celebrate or be like. Or laugh. It was like. Was it a clapping moment or was it like, aha. It was, like, very awkward.

[Rory]

Somebody. When Trevor announced Jake.

[Julian]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

He was going. He was, like, walking through the crowd being like, and so and so's here. And, like, look over there. It's Taylor Swift. And look over there in. In coming later, Jay Z and Beyonce and like, because they weren't there yet. But he said that and people were like, is he serious or is this like a he.

[Damaris]

He said. He was like, no, seriously. I was like, yeah.

[Mal]

So, yeah. And I do want to correct because I don't want to get killed. I misspoke. Earlier. Beck beat Beyonce's self titled album in 2017. Lemonade lost to Adele's 25, which I.

[Julian]

Think was a snub as well.

[Damaris]

Adele thinks it was a snub. She said that.

[Julian]

I mean, but she's such a Beyonce fan, such a nice person. Any category she wins over Beyonce, warranted or not, she's gonna say they should go to Beyonce. Yeah, but 25 is my least favorite Adele album. And Lemonade to me is a classic. I think that was a snub.

[Damaris]

And that. Yeah, that back one was a snub because Beyonce, that was the day she changed the way that albums were released.

[Mal]

That was the one with no problem.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that was the surprise drop with a full. With full videos for every single.

[Julian]

Should have won every single award that was available at the Grammys that year. Yeah. But I mean, thanks to Ed Sheeran, we get to see Meryl Streepmore. I never saw her at the Grammys. Awesome.

[Mal]

Fire.

[Rory]

Why are you thinking Ed Sheeran?

[Julian]

For that I found out that he's dating her daughter in real time. Wow.

[Rory]

Oh, I thought you about to say Ed Sheeran is dating Meryl Streep. I was about to like. All right, now hold on, man. What the.

[Julian]

Is it that far fetched?

[Rory]

Yes, that's very far fetched. To Ed Sheeran.

[Julian]

Dating isn't shared. Like dating a 22 year old right now.

[Rory]

Is that shared dating?

[Julian]

Amber Rose, Ex.

[Rory]

And that's sick. Yeah, there's something wrong there.

[Julian]

You could put Ed Sheeran, Meryl Streep, share, Ambrose's ex, and then Drea, her son and her new boyfriend. Why all at one table?

[Damaris]

Why is that sick?

[Mal]

The 40 year age gap table.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, but they're. What was the sick?

[Rory]

Well, because I mean, people close to share are saying that he's basically she. He's using her for her money. He's like milking her for money. People close to her saying that, well, she might be.

[Damaris]

She. You don't think that she might like know that. I feel like once you.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I think that. I think that when you're like 70 years old and like you're just. You just want some companionship like, you'll become a sugar mama and just let somebody drain your bank account. Especially when you have a bank account, like share does. And I think that it's the friends around you, responsibility and family around responsibility to say, hey, he's using my mom, aunt, cousin, sister, whatever, for money. We don't like this relationship at all.

[Damaris]

But I mean, I get what I get from the heart, like what you're saying. Completely. But if she is enjoying what's going on and like, you know, she's happy, why does it matter that he's draining her bank account?

[Rory]

Because he's using her for her money. It matters if somebody's using you for your money.

[Damaris]

But you don't think that she knows that.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it's like that's the basis of the relationship and she agrees to that because she's the one with the money. Then she's like, yeah, this works for me.

[Julian]

Yeah, that's what Nicole definitely married for love.

[Damaris]

That's why I'm like, it doesn't like, I get what you're saying, but I think like, I think kids and stuff like that. Mom, he's using for money. Yeah, but I'm having a blast. Your man is touching me in all the right places and making me smile. You want to use me for my money, too? You just mad that he's doing it.

[Rory]

No, no, no, no. That's not how that goes. You sure? I'm your son. I care about you wholeheartedly. This dude is using you for your money. He doesn't love you. He's just using you and your name for fame, clout and money.

[Julian]

But what if she's using him for a 21 year old dick and a good time as.

[Rory]

As your son? I still have a problem with.

[Julian]

I'm not saying you shouldn't, but he's an adult.

[Rory]

It doesn't change.

[Julian]

It's.

[Rory]

Yeah, she's an adult, but it's like somebody is using anytime you're being used. If I'm your family member or your friend, I am going to tell you this person is using you. Whether it's share, whether it's Damaris, whether it's Rory, if somebody is using you and I see it, I'm going to tell them like, yo, this person is using you. They don't care about you.

[Julian]

And if my mom is aware of that and saying I'm using him as well, it's a different conversation.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, it's not.

[Julian]

Yes, it's her money and her life.

[Rory]

It's still not a different conversation.

[Julian]

I Want to fuck this guy and have fun and it's going to cost.

[Rory]

Me, but I still don't want somebody using my mother. I don't give a fuck if she's having fun.

[Julian]

Well, it's not using. If it's a mutual agreement, it's still using.

[Rory]

What are you talking about, if it's a mutual agreement?

[Damaris]

Well, if that's the case, then one can make an argument that all relationships people are being used in, we're all using each other in relationships. Whether it's mentally, emotionally, financially. We're all trying to get something out of somebody. Whether it's reassurance, whether it's love, whether it's anything.

[Rory]

But if somebody's just using you for your money, anybody that loves you, that cares about you should tell you like, yo, this person is only with you because they're taking your money.

[Julian]

Okay, what if roles are reversed? I can't speak. And Your dad is 75 and finds him a nice yoga teacher that is straight up saying, like, all right, it's cost this much to maintain my lifestyle. My dad is aware of that and just wants to pay this woman what she's owed and her to his grave. It's like that's he knows that. He knows this woman doesn't love him.

[Rory]

So Anna Nicole Smith and her husband, that was a problem.

[Julian]

Listen, I side on the Louis CK bit of When I'm 50 years old, give me a 40 year old. When I'm 60 years old, let me date a 50 year old. When I'm 70 years old, give me a 20 year old, blow me to the grave and keep the change.

[Rory]

That's disgusting.

[Julian]

Why? That's how some people want to go out.

[Rory]

Yeah, but that's still disgusting. You can want to go out like that, but it's still disgusting.

[Julian]

I think it's disgusting.

[Rory]

Yeah. That's all I'm saying.

[Julian]

But if my pops wanted to use his money at the end of his life to fuck this yoga instructor and she just wants some money out of it and it makes him happy and they both know the arrangement, I'm. What do I have to say?

[Damaris]

As long, as long as my parent is happy and they're not in danger, have. Especially when they're at the end of their life, like, they're not looking to build a family. They're not looking for anything of substance out of this person, be happy. Life is so like, once you get to that point and you could die within the next five years. No, get your back blown out, bro. Do what you got to do.

[Julian]

I think it's fiscally more responsible than anything Aiden Ross has done in the past two weeks.

[Rory]

I don't know nothing about Aiden.

[Damaris]

Me either. Can you guys explain it?

[Rory]

All I know is Kai Sonata is the greatest streamer ever. Shout out to the Bronx.

[Julian]

I don't disagree. Yeah, I would say Kyle's probably.

[Mal]

Yeah. Aiden took a couple Ls this week. First with 21 Savage. He had him come on and do a stream and 21 brought marked cards and they were playing a game and he tried to hustle him on camera for $250,000. Naden caught him during the live stream and it was a very awkward exchange. And then, you know, 21 left and then immediately posted something on a story like, aiden, you're not welcome in Atlanta. And then clearly, I'm assuming simultaneously he was seeing on Twitter that everything he did was caught on camera. And then he deleted that post on his story. And then it was slowly walking back his feelings towards Aiden. And then they were like, okay, well, let's play 2K, because if you beat me in 2K, then we'll still honor the bet. And then 21 lost the game of 2K, so it was just, it was bad. And then he. Now he's trying to make a rollout out of it and selling playing cards and selling dice and all this. But he got caught. He was trying to hustle him.

[Rory]

So, okay, so it sounds like 21 Savage, being from a certain demographic, certain area in Atlanta, London, certain area in London, Um, just found this streamer who's a suburban kid and he's like, yo, fucking, I'm, I'm going to take his money. Sound like he just wanted to punk a streamer. Like, yo, give me your money.

[Julian]

So also, like, has there always been honor in underground gambling?

[Rory]

No, this isn't.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's fucked up. But welcome to the gambling world.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it.

[Julian]

You guys do legal parlays on your phone. But like before that, gambling before, before.

[Rory]

Fanduel and prospects and all this, other.

[Julian]

Points were being shaved.

[Rory]

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

[Julian]

This is why you don't gamble.

[Rory]

I think this is you get fucked over Aiden Ross. And I mean, I think this is just 21 savage. Just like, yo, listen, man, I don't care about these streamers. Like, these little kids are rich. They just sit in their basement all day on the camera. I'm going to come in here and hustle them, try to get some money out. He's hustling. This is what they do.

[Mal]

Yeah, but it was just funny. Seeing someone get caught in real time. And then when they, you know, look.

[Rory]

How you're looking at the deck of cards.

[Mal]

He's like, oh, yeah, try to do that.

[Julian]

In Washington Square park, there's a moment, if you're allowed to touch those, there's.

[Mal]

A moment where Savage takes out a clean deck and then opens it, rips a package off, and then turns to his. His man off camera. And you can see the exchange of him giving him the deck of cards with the marks on it. So then he's acting like that's the new deck. And then this is the call out. And then 21 when he knows Aiden caught him. I think at one point, 21 goes, what do you want to do about it?

[Rory]

You're like, what you gonna do? Fight?

[Mal]

He's like, like, what should we do?

[Damaris]

When I saw this, I thought it was staged. I'm like, oh, this is like. It gives stage to me.

[Julian]

Eileen, on that side. 21 we know is a very smart guy. He. He knows the camera saw him and his man's exchange that card. Yeah, like this. I don't want to say it was like fake and one of those sketch type things. I don't think Aiden knew, but I, I think 21 was well aware that the whole world could see that he was scamming him and that was the joke and that was the fun in the entire thing.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Julian]

He didn't give him. Did he give him 250 grand on the spot?

[Mal]

Well, the, the bet that they ended up honoring was a game of 2K, which Aiden won. So if that's the case, then Aiden would be up in that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And I saw, I think he put out that 21 sent him 250k.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So what's the problem? He's just been making some interesting fiscal choices over the past few days, which I think are all tied together.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Julian]

Playboi Cardi, which is Julian's favorite artist.

[Mal]

I can't.

[Julian]

Along with Nicki Minaj. This is fake, right? For those that don't know, Aiden flew halfway across the country to go meet up with Playboi Carti, give him a $2 million deposit to come on his stream. Playboy. Cardi sat in the dark for six to nine minutes, said hi, and then left with his $2 million. Well, that was the deposit. That was the first half. He was supposed to get four.

[Mal]

Yeah. And a four.

[Julian]

Aiden stood 10 toes after, you know, the 21 Savage incident and said, nah. Said, nah, I'm not giving you that other 2 million.

[Rory]

So wait, he was paying Playboy Carti $4 million just to show up to his live stream?

[Mal]

They haven't. They were cool in years past. And this was supposed to be like a big moment of reunion. So after the Grammys, Cardi met him in a room, the lights were out, and it was a very awkward silence. It was like, Aiden at one point was like, how was the Grammys? And then there was just no response.

[Rory]

I don't believe this.

[Julian]

I don't either, but I feel like that's how Playboi Carti lives his life.

[Rory]

I don't. I don't. I don't believe that Aiden Ross is paying him 2 million or 4 million dollars to get on live.

[Julian]

Neither do I, nor do I think, like, we gotta.

[Rory]

We gotta stop with these numbers. We gotta. We gotta stop.

[Julian]

It's bullshit.

[Rory]

I get it. These kids are streaming well, getting crazy streams and all this other shit. We gotta stop. You're not giving somebody full million dollars to just show up on a cam and stream with you. That's not happening. Like, let's cut the shit. I love that these young dudes is getting money and they doing that, got their platforms and they doing anything. But you're not gonna just throw these numbers at me and think that I'm like, oh, yeah, no, that's valid. Stop the shit. You're not just throwing $2 million at somebody because they're sitting on live stream with you. I don't believe that.

[Julian]

I don't either.

[Rory]

Not at all. Not for a second, though.

[Mal]

You guys are pocket watching.

[Rory]

I'm not pocket watching. I'm not saying how much Aiden Ross has or doesn't have. I'm just saying I don't think that he's paying anybody. I don't think nobody's paying anybody to sit on a live stream. $4 million? Like, no.

[Damaris]

For what?

[Rory]

What is it? What. What's the point of it?

[Julian]

Well, as much as I'm making. As much as I'm making jokes about Aiden Ross, there's no way that if he's given up $2 million, which I think sure he has, without a real contract.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He does not have to be a.

[Julian]

Ross is an intelligent guy. Like, we're just making jokes now. That's why this is absolute bullshit to me. I think it's something they were in on together and thought it'd be hilarious and this would make more of a moment. Let's throw some numbers around. Just show up in the dark and then leave. That'll be the moment. You know, Cardi doesn't want to talk anyways. This is his perfect way to stay in media headlines and not have to say shit.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And he. I really think he lives his life in the dark. Like, you know certain buildings where the lights go on when you start like walking down the hallway just go off. I think his go off. I think he really like any room he comes. If he walked in here, all the lights will go.

[Mal]

He's nocturnal.

[Rory]

I didn't realize he was that like big amongst like the young cats, like the young kids. See, that's like a lot of young kids. I asked us like 16, 17. I'm like, yo, who's your favorite rapper? They like Playboy Cardi and I'm like, Playboy Cardi.

[Julian]

The way, you know, we used to have the combo of like, who would be the fourth after Kendrick Cole and Drake. And we thrown in Travis in there. We'd thrown in futures name. Playboi Carti would probably be that name. I just, he's that big.

[Rory]

I just feel so out of touch because I don't know any Playboi Carti music. I couldn't tell you any of his records like at all. Like you might play something. I'm like, oh, okay, I know that record. Oh, I didn't know that was Playboi Carti though. Like, but I don't. I'm just out of the loop when it comes to his catalog. I really just don't know. And I again, man, I just feel like a lot of these things too, man. Like, how does he tour? How does he. How are his shows?

[Damaris]

Like, is it crazy?

[Mal]

Insane?

[Damaris]

Yeah, crazy, like cult following crazy. Yeah.

[Mal]

Crazier than Travis's shows?

[Damaris]

Yes.

[Rory]

Playboy Carti shows are crazier than Travis's shows.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Really?

[Julian]

This guy, he's like not production wise, but how the crowd is operating. Yeah, it might be.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

He's like. Travis is the more commercial version of what Cardi is, like the underground king.

[Julian]

That's not underground.

[Mal]

But not.

[Rory]

Is it because he's more demonic, he's.

[Mal]

Just more dark and like, look what he's wearing. Like, he looks like fucking Batman.

[Julian]

So he has this mysterious, more resistant culture, like kids attached to it because they feel like their parent. It'll piss their parents.

[Rory]

He doesn't, he doesn't do social media much.

[Mal]

No, no public facing. Like he's got this whole like vampire thing that, the Running Blood aesthetic thing. It's. It's smart, like the marketing.

[Rory]

But what is this though? Because this, this is not hip hop.

[Julian]

He's one of I wouldn't consider Playboy Carti.

[Rory]

So what is he?

[Mal]

He's more Marilyn Moreland, Marilyn Manson inspired in terms of like, I would even.

[Rory]

Say down, but he didn't start out that way.

[Mal]

An aesthetic, it's like a more demonic.

[Julian]

Tizo to some degree. But he's also like rage music. He's also.

[Rory]

Because I feel like when I first saw Playboy Carter, he wasn't that.

[Damaris]

No, he was more like asap.

[Rory]

Yeah. So how did. So how did it go? This.

[Julian]

He got a good cult from when he was doing more of the ASAP vibe or ASAP inspired. And yeah, his music grew. He's similar to a Tyler before everyone caught on to Tyler.

[Rory]

Okay.

[Julian]

Like before Igor Tyler, where it was like, all right, we know of him and we know his antics, but if you don't pay attention, you don't see how his music has really changed. And mature, like, I don't want to say mature is probably not the right word, but how he's developed as an actual artist. Okay, you remember Odd Future. And if you weren't paying attention, even though millions were, I don't think people realize that Tyler was the musician, who he really was and how he developed his sound and changed from the 18 year old kid that was saying fuck school, kill people, murder suicide, Playboy. Cardi's kind of like that in the terms of if you weren't paying attention, you didn't see how he shifted his whole sound. He's in a whole different category now. He's not what we thought he was. Yeah, his is demonic as. Don't get me wrong. But I mean, when Kanye was doing those Donda shows, the one I went to in Atlanta, out of everyone he brought out, when Playboi Carti came out, it was. The entire arena erupted and he had a full. You couldn't even see that it was him. Yeah, it was just the sound of like one ad lib and the whole. This is a Kanye west show. Whole arena lost it.

[Mal]

He's done shows where he doesn't even rap. He'll just ad lib or just like sit on stage. It's like, it's like experimental with him.

[Julian]

He's selling a. A lifestyle and a brand. Yeah, you can. I don't everybody care for his now, but he's doing like you're part of. You're part of something if you're part of Cardi's cult.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Cold.

[Rory]

Yo, listen, man, you know, I mean, if the kids love it, cool, man. I just, you know, I'm just. I can't I can't. I just don't. I don't get it.

[Mal]

It's also not for you, though.

[Damaris]

It's not for you.

[Mal]

Yeah. It's not even really for me because it's not music.

[Damaris]

It's not. It's not for you.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

To me, it's. It's. It's kind of what Travis, Uzi and everyone that kind of started out as resistance to the mainstream Playboy card is really who they. They think they are. He's really that okay and has a massive following. And I do quickly want to hate on Travis and I hate doing that because I support him and all of his friends. Is he really wearing shoulder pads on his tour right now?

[Rory]

Travis? Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that's part of his.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[Julian]

I could be completely wrong. But is that not. Was he doing it before Tizo? Cause that's Tizo's whole thing now.

[Rory]

I think he was doing that. I think Travis has been doing that for a while.

[Julian]

Okay, then I apologize if that's the case, but Tizo's been running around with high school football shoulder pads on for the last year. Hasn't taken them off once. I know they stink. I played football. They smell after two days. They're going to stink for the rest of your life.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

He's been walking around smelling like a locker room for a year, promoting an incredible album. Every red carpet, and Travis has the nerve to get up there with the same shoulder pads. His are just like D1 college edition.

[Rory]

No, Travis has been doing. He's been wearing that for a while. That's been part of his. His look for a while when he's performing.

[Julian]

I don't know, man. Someone that's younger than us. Yes, Go in the comments now.

[Rory]

Now, don't get. Now, I don't know if Travis may have caught wind of Teaser before I did and saw his.

[Julian]

Well, Travis has been a supporter of Teezo was on Utopia, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's been a supporter of Teezo for quite some time.

[Damaris]

You might be right.

[Rory]

He made. If he showed up at the studio with the pads on. I don't know. That was a while ago. So if he showed him kind of like Jack style and took that and made it his own. I can't speak to it, but I know Travis has been wearing shoulder pads for a while.

[Mal]

You think they wear those outside of performing? Like casual pads?

[Rory]

No, I've seen Travis out. He's not wearing.

[Mal]

No, no, I think. I think he's always about that life.

[Julian]

Actually.

[Mal]

He's outside he puts the pads on.

[Julian]

I think he probably just to go to Target in his two seater car has those on. I think he drives like this.

[Mal]

You would you drive with them on or would you take them on?

[Julian]

Like how you got to commit his T's O. Touchdown. It's a touchdown.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God. I'd never even fucking connected that.

[Rory]

He just broke the mold for you, huh?

[Damaris]

I never connected.

[Rory]

That light bulb just went off.

[Julian]

It was like at the end of Pimp a Butterfly when you realized Kendrick was interviewing Tupac.

[Rory]

Look out. Damaris is so stunned. Like, yo, touchdown, shoulder pads, yo. It's really art when you think about it. No, this shit is stupid. It's just dumb. I don't just call it what it is.

[Mal]

What the is that you want to stay on performances. You guys see this clip going around of Drake and his words about how he no longer performs work anymore?

[Julian]

I want to start with a compliment first in the Drake vs. Jay Z battle. I think Drake's Grammy speech was drastically better than Jay's and summed up what Jay was trying to say now to the hate.

[Rory]

All right, what? Okay.

[Damaris]

He reached like they had.

[Mal]

They had the same speech.

[Julian]

Yeah, Jay bit Drake. Okay, so Drake started his, what, 15th leg of this It's All a Blur tour with J. Cole. Set looks. Looks great. They started in Tampa, naturally. Two nights in Tampa.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Sick.

[Julian]

It's where Amara was conceived. Setlist came out. Work was on there, because why not.

[Rory]

One of his number ones?

[Julian]

It's an arena show. The number one record has Rihanna. It's great. Drake added a song to his set list to tell the people that he no longer performs this song while it was performing.

[Rory]

No, he said, I don't sing the song anymore. You can sing it for me.

[Mal]

See, I like that.

[Rory]

It's kind of like, I know y'all want to hear it. Everybody likes the record. But I'm not. I don't perform this record anymore.

[Mal]

Let's hear it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I don't see myself anymore.

[Damaris]

You can sing it for me.

[Mal]

I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Damaris]

Of course you don't.

[Julian]

You don't see at a live show.

[Rory]

Playing a record that we just.

[Julian]

I came here to watch you sing your songs, Drake.

[Mal]

Okay, first of all, we don't have. These performers don't sing anymore. But we.

[Julian]

Drake does.

[Mal]

We just said before we recorded this is. It was what, Drake's second number one. So it's one of his most popular songs. People probably want to hear it then. Sometimes if you don't want to Sing it. You can still give the fans that experience he took after he said that he took this little.

[Rory]

The. Julian cut the. Yeah. Why cut the.

[Mal]

He's like, hey, look, I don't wanna. I don't want to talk about this or I don't want to perform this. But, hey, here's this song that I know you like, so I'll play it anyway. So you guys listen.

[Rory]

Don't fart and tell me someone's making me.

[Mal]

And this was during.

[Julian]

I can play in my car on the way home.

[Rory]

Stop.

[Mal]

Because you know that. You know his set. This was during the DJ part of his set where it's when there' the. That he does that club run thing. So he doesn't sing every record but to make it.

[Rory]

But to make it a. Make it a statement, make it a point to say, I don't sing this song anymore, but you can sing it for me.

[Mal]

Well, okay. No, that's a different conversation.

[Rory]

No, it's the same conversation we've been having since we introduced this topic. No, why is he saying that? Why did he make it a point to say that?

[Mal]

Well, because of his current stance with Rihanna. They're not on good terms.

[Rory]

That's all we trying to say, Julian.

[Mal]

But I still think it's nice that he gave the fans the experience.

[Rory]

It's kind of like, you can. I'll let. You can hear the song, but I'm not singing it. Like, y'all could sing it, though. Y'all could rock out.

[Julian]

Take it out of the set list.

[Rory]

I agree. He shouldn't be in the set list.

[Julian]

This is one of the.

[Rory]

Because I can guarantee you nobody at that show would have been like, yo, he didn't do work. Nobody would have walked out of there saying that.

[Julian]

Yeah, I wouldn't even thought about it, because once it comes on, I'm like, oh, great, I love this.

[Rory]

Exactly. So you didn't. You didn't even need to play this. This. This doesn't even. If you feel like that about it, then. Then, Then. Then Future shouldn't even have it in his serato.

[Julian]

Yeah, don't. And don't tell me from your high little pigeon coop that you're not about to sing a song that I paid to hear.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Damaris]

Y'all gonna call it like it is or not.

[Mal]

Yeah. Yeah. Since you know the real reason.

[Julian]

Oh, I was gonna say I wanted. I don't know the real reason. This is the gossip. One of the few gossip things I really want to know. I know Drake and Rihanna obviously broke up. They've both publicly spoken about it. Drake's talked about it in songs. The 180 it took on this last album and how far drake took it. 1. I think ASAP is going to see him at some point. I really believe that. I don't want violence but I just can't see that not happening. And then for him to do this at his show. What the happened behind the scenes? Yeah, something like maybe I'm giving Drake too much bail here because I know everyone calls him. He's light skinned petty. He's always, always in his feelings. He has taken it to a place point of no return. This, he has said something. He's not doing that unless something Rihanna did or said something behind the scenes.

[Rory]

Something happened.

[Julian]

This is a different level of Petty.

[Rory]

Yeah, something happened. Something, something definitely happened. Something was said, something was done. Because now it's like it's a sticking point. Like you're making it up an issue to let people know like, yeah, nah, I don't fuck. I don't even perform the songs that we have no more. Like that's how far I'm trying to move away. And like I don't. And it's like, but why, like what the fuck happened?

[Julian]

Why.

[Damaris]

And why does it even have to like, even if I'm just.

[Julian]

We're keeping a buck. We don't know the reason. We want to know. It has to be something crazy.

[Damaris]

Of course we don't. Of course we don't really know the reason. But like there's no reason that really warrants this. You did this because you're corny. Corny. Not because of anything that she did. Whether she did something or didn't do anything, this is corny and it's unnecessary. And you knew that it was going to become a moment. You know they hang on to every single word you say at every show. So it's unnecessary. You did it knowing what it will become. So that lets me know that maybe she didn't really do anything to him. Maybe he just hurt or embarrassed. She had them kids, she don't want him. Maybe it's ego. Who knows?

[Rory]

He had, he had a kid first though.

[Mal]

Yeah, but.

[Damaris]

Oh come on.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I'm just saying men versus women. Yeah, but like if you have kid.

[Damaris]

He could have 50 of them. You got a kid is, you know.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I mean, I think, I don't know. It's definitely something that we don't know. Obviously some personal shit that happened or was said and you know, I just, it's now it's like it's part of the set now to where it's like, yo, nah, I don't do them records. Like, damn. Like, that was a bop, though. That was a jam right there. You ain't gonna do that, but. Okay, fuck it. But again, I. You know, that's personal, private shit. I'm sure at some point, though, we will see. Like, it's gonna come to a head, though. Like, something is gonna. Cause once Rihanna decides to snap back and you know, you know she gonna go all the way. That's that. That Caribbean blood. She gonna go all the way. Like, she gonna air out some shit. We gonna be like, damn, I don't think we needed to know all that.

[Damaris]

But I don't. I don't see her doing that now.

[Rory]

Shit. Shit.

[Damaris]

I don't see her doing it now.

[Rory]

Shit.

[Julian]

But even on the deluxe for all the Dogs, the Red Button record, he addresses the whole shit should hit you first. But since you know about the shit I've taken. If you go through that whole scheme, it is referring to that verse that he went all the way with it on. Yeah, Rihanna and ASAP and that entire thing.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

So when he says in the deluxe, should have hit you first, but since you know about the shit I've taken, I feel like Drake has probably been quiet about some wild shit that we don't know about.

[Damaris]

Possibly.

[Rory]

It's definitely some.

[Julian]

Maybe I'm giving him too much mail.

[Rory]

I don't know. No, no, no. It's definitely some personal shit. And you know, the. That I really don't care too much to talk about, but I do think we're gonna see go to another level.

[Julian]

What could Rihanna do to. Have y'all listened to that song lately?

[Rory]

Which one? Work?

[Julian]

No, the. Whatever the name of the song is that I heard Work that he went crazy on Rihanna.

[Rory]

Red Button.

[Julian]

No, no, it's on for all the Dogs, the original. I forgot the name of it because I don't really listen to album like that.

[Rory]

I'm terrible with titles.

[Julian]

Anyway, he went nuts. I mean, what could Rihanna have done?

[Rory]

We don't know. We don't know. That's all I'm saying is we don't know. Let's not even start speculating. We don't know. And I. I think that, like I said, if Rihanna decides to ever respond, I think that it's going to be crystal clear about what happened or what's going on, because I don't think that she's gonna. She ain't gonna give us no metaphors and similes like she gonna give us a cute little harmony and then she gonna ad lib. Exactly.

[Julian]

We might rap.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, she gonna give it to us like straight up. Like.

[Mal]

So he responded to her on Fear of Heights and Virginia Beach.

[Julian]

Fear of Heights is what I'm talking about.

[Damaris]

Yeah, was it needed me about him.

[Julian]

Maybe needed me. I didn't like catch any specific snubs, but maybe they could have speculated there. All I know is, I mean, Rocky.

[Rory]

Is innocent until proven guilty.

[Julian]

He's innocent, but I don't know if I talk about somebody's wife and baby mother that way if they're on trial for shooting their mans. Like, that's probably not the person I'm gonna play with.

[Rory]

But this is Drake though, man. Like, I mean, that's. That don't. That's not saying nothing. Like, what is that gonna say? Like, you can't get close to Drake. You act like Drake is a nigga that be out here riding the A train and like you ain't getting close to Drake.

[Julian]

Ok, President, I agree with you, but you also have to think of ASAP Rocky being the celebrity that he is to be accused of and be on camera in a regular LA street with a gun shooting his man's like, that person might, might be ready to crash out no matter what security is there.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you gonna crack.

[Julian]

Yeah, but crash like that, that guy is a little off.

[Rory]

I get it. And you talk about shout out to.

[Julian]

Rocky because he's innocent.

[Rory]

Yeah, you told my wife and all of that. Like, I get it. You're supposed to crash out of wifey, but like I.

[Julian]

It's tough to get to Drake. But if you want to crash out, you could find a way if you're able to stop Rocket. Yeah, but not me. I couldn't crash out and get dragged. I would get stopped by 15 people before that.

[Rory]

Yeah, but you crashing out against a guy that moves like the President is just not a smart crash out.

[Julian]

Well, nothing about crashing out is smart. That's the point of it.

[Rory]

Sometimes you could crash out and be. It's a successful crash.

[Julian]

No, that's just a successful crime.

[Damaris]

What's a successful crash?

[Rory]

Crash out is if I say, you know what, I'm about to air this shit out. I see a dude I got beef with, I'm about to pop at him, right? Successfully means I bust at him.

[Damaris]

Didn't get caught.

[Rory]

Didn't get caught. Got away from it. You throw at Drake, bro. You're not leaving that scene, bro. Yeah, that's. That's like a. That's a. Now that's a suicide mission.

[Julian]

That's the point of crashing out. No, no, that's fully crashing out.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, but that's.

[Julian]

The Japanese tried to teach us.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, but that's. That's like. That's just not smart.

[Damaris]

I don't. I feel like they're so old now, it's like, crash. He's stupid.

[Rory]

Crashing out. When you crash out sometimes.

[Mal]

Compare crashing out to kamikaze.

[Rory]

Just compare hobbies. Yeah, no, crash.

[Julian]

That's the definition of a crash out. And now you at war with us.

[Mal]

No, I mean 911 with Ben Affleck. Crash out.

[Rory]

Yeah, it was inside job.

[Damaris]

What's the wildest crash out of all time?

[Rory]

The wildest crash out of all time.

[Julian]

Pearl harbor would probably be crazy.

[Mal]

That's a lot of crashes.

[Rory]

I ain't gonna lie. Solange in the elevator, that crash out was crazy.

[Mal]

You think Pearl Harbor.

[Rory]

She popped on Solange was in there crashing out on Jay Z.

[Julian]

Like, at the Standard.

[Rory]

Isn't that crazy to y'all? She was in that elevator going crazy.

[Julian]

You ain't help him.

[Rory]

I wasn't there, like. And I still. I think Jay handled that the best he could have ever handled that. Like. Yeah, because he handled it.

[Julian]

Because you don't give him enough.

[Rory]

Yo, we.

[Julian]

We don't. He didn't know he was on camera.

[Rory]

We don't give Jay enough credit for how he handled that. That nigga's from Marcy Projects, yo. He's so crack rock. Like, he. He shot his brother. Like, you talking about crashing out, like, you understand what I'm saying? Like, that could have went another way.

[Damaris]

Like, but could it really?

[Julian]

He stabbed after Hard knock life.

[Rory]

Because it's Jay.

[Damaris]

It's his sister. That's his sister.

[Rory]

Listen, you see what I'm saying? This is what I' because it's Jay. That's his sister in law. You know, he had the wherewithal to understand. I cannot go but so far in this elevator, I can't put my hands on her like that. Definitely. That's off the table. I know some dudes that I ask them about it, they like, yeah, I'm talking about unanimously. Dudes be like, yo, I would have slapped the out of shorty. And I'm like, even if that was like your Jay Z, like, with all you have to lose, they like, yeah, she was hitting me. She kicking me, dude. I'm like, bro, you can't do that. Like, you know, you would have lost.

[Julian]

Everything that would never hit a woman. But saw that scenario and Was like, I mean, you got to protect yourself.

[Rory]

Yeah, that.

[Damaris]

Nah, nah. Every. Like the guys that I talked to about that, they all said like, that's his. It's your sister. She was going crazy on that. It's your sister. And he knew that she was. Well, allegedly, he knew that she was justified. So what you gonna do? You gonna beat up your sister in law while your wife's standing right there? Whether he's Jay Z or not.

[Rory]

I'm not. I'm not saying how he handled that with Perf.

[Damaris]

He was grabbing her. He was grabbing like he was just standing there getting beat up.

[Rory]

Yeah, but I'm just saying. I know. Listen, I'm from a town. I'm from a city, big rich town. I'm from a block where yo niggas have swung on girls for less. Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Damaris]

What would you have done?

[Rory]

I would have handled the door the same way Jay did. Yeah. I would have grabbed her arms and tried to like, restrain her. And like, you know what I mean? Like, like I would. I'm definitely. I'm not. I wouldn't have put. I wouldn't have put my hands on her.

[Mal]

That's a long elevator ride. Because that happened as soon as they got on and they were on the 18th floor.

[Damaris]

Yo, getting your ass beat. 18 floors.

[Julian]

If I know Julius is the security guard there, I might. I might just do this.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Or. Or I'd yell corners just to make it seem like a game.

[Rory]

No, no, no, you can't do that. And it was so smooth because had this video not come out, we would have never known it happened. Based off the pictures when they got off the elevator. No, we would have never known none of this happened. That's what I'm saying. Like, he j. Handled himself to, you know, getting popped.

[Mal]

On in a white suit sucks.

[Damaris]

Yo, you. That's how you know whatever Jay did, he was wrong. Cause Beyonce stood just like this and let them tussle. She ain't do shit. She ain't showing sister to stop. She was chilling.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's. That's. That's bad though.

[Julian]

And then she tried to. This was. I think the one time Beyonce tried to clean something up, we all just gave her the side.

[Damaris]

Of course, sometimes shit go down when it's a billion dollars on the elevator.

[Rory]

I.

[Julian]

It's a good bar.

[Rory]

Great bar.

[Julian]

But nah, great.

[Rory]

No, it's a great bar.

[Julian]

Cause it's facts.

[Rory]

It's facts. Sometimes shit happens. It's, you know, it's family. This is. This is my sister. This is My husband, you know, my sister was mad about some. She holding me down. My husband handled himself with as much class and grace as he could in this situation. And now all we got off the elevator, and we still was head hell high classy. Nobody even knew.

[Damaris]

I wonder if the fight kept it up in the. Once they got in the limo, like, I wonder if she doubled back.

[Julian]

Nah, they probably got in different cars.

[Rory]

They was in different cars.

[Julian]

Yeah. Julius is like a Navy seal. There's no way he probably just snapped in a car existed. Yeah, he's going in this one.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Same city, same night. You know, shit is going to go down when there's $1 billion in an elevator versus. I wasn't hiding my kid from the world. I was hiding the world from my kid.

[Rory]

Billy A. Billy a. Billy. Easy thing.

[Julian]

It's a better bar.

[Rory]

Absolutely. It's a real bar.

[Julian]

You don't think Drake was hiding his son from the world?

[Rory]

Okay, cool. But I'm just saying, like, these are two of the biggest stars ever, both worth over a billion dollars. Like, nigga, that's. That's it. That's a bar.

[Damaris]

And also, he wasn't hiding the world from his son because his son has a music video. I can go and Google it right now.

[Rory]

Well, now. Well, I mean, yeah, during the time, it was.

[Damaris]

Yeah, no, Cap, it was capped during the time.

[Julian]

No, in retrospect, at the time, it did not work. After Drake, you were hiding a child. And then we got that, like, a few months later was like, all right, man. In retrospect, I thought it was a pretty good response.

[Rory]

Yeah, I mean, I. I didn't. I didn't see that. That's why in that whole thing, I didn't understand that bar anyway, because I was just like, does he have to tell us he has a kid?

[Julian]

You didn't see that? You didn't see the scheme. He was talking about all the miserable people on the Internet and all the women, of course. And he was suggesting, guys, this is why I was hiding my kid from the Explore page.

[Rory]

Yeah, we know.

[Damaris]

You. You get it. You get it.

[Rory]

I got that. I understand that. But even in the moment, you lived it. I didn't understand why people was like, oh, yeah, like, why are you hiding your kid? I'm like, do you think that he. Somebody has to take. I know regular people that don't post their kids on the Internet. You've never seen their children.

[Julian]

I'm telling you now, I was straight up hiding a child and not hiding her from the actual world. Amara was out all the time. I didn't hide her from the world at all.

[Rory]

No. Social media world.

[Julian]

Yeah, but I was hiding her.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it. But that's not from the world, though. Honestly, people. You know, this world is sick, man.

[Julian]

Hiding a child is kind of stressful.

[Rory]

Is it?

[Damaris]

Ain't bad.

[Julian]

Everyone in what I thought was the inner circle knew, but then, like, you have to tell other people that other people don't know. And then, like, when you reveal it, people get mad at you that you didn't tell them. And it's like, we haven't spoken in a year. Why would I then text you?

[Damaris]

They get mad at the people who did know.

[Julian]

Yeah, but everyone knew. That wasn't the world.

[Rory]

Yeah, but your world, the people in.

[Julian]

Your world, everyone knew.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

For.

[Rory]

That's why I always tell you, though.

[Julian]

Some people thought they were part of my world.

[Rory]

Yeah. No, and you're not. You're not. And that's. And that's fine. But, like, now it's again, like I always say, it's. You're looked at as moving weird or moving funny when you're private. Yeah. Like, when you. When you keep certain things private, it's like, oh, you acting funny. It's like, no, I'm just not sharing that with everybody. Like, that's not for everybody to have. Like. And it's okay to have certain things that you keep to yourself. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Julian]

Like, outside of, like, associates being upset, I did never talk about, like, when I would just go out with Amara and, you know, we run into listeners, fans, whatever, when we go out, just target listeners, adding it up in their head. Before I. I, like, told the Internet was one of my favorite hobbies anytime I went and ran errands, because she looks identical to me. She has red hair. Like, our faces are the same. And Elizabeth, yo, man, love the pop with you. You know, small talk. And then just, like, looking down at me pushing a stroller of a little. A little identical version of myself. And then they would always have, like, the respect not to ask, but I could see it in their face that they were adding some things up.

[Mal]

Like, I'm not gonna lie. I hated that phase because there were, like. We would go to concerts together, and people would see, like, you. And then they look. They'd, like, look at us and then see the stroller. And then it's like there was like, just every. I was like, just say it. Like, just. And then there was like, oh, can we get a photo? And then I didn't know how public you wanted to be. So it was like, do we stand in front of the stroller? It was just like, a lot of, like, I don't know how to act in public.

[Julian]

But, Julian, I had to wait to use her for my album. Well, that has sales. Duh.

[Mal]

The album's most important. So I was like, let's put Amara in the green room.

[Rory]

I just.

[Julian]

You know what it was by herself. It was until the album comes out.

[Mal]

Until the album.

[Julian]

She doesn't eat until the album.

[Rory]

There was a time where I didn't. Didn't understand what Rory was doing, though. He was, like, very confusing to even me in that. Yeah. Like, when we had a show, like, he brought Amara out on stage and then said, I would appreciate it if y'all didn't take pictures and post on the Internet. I'm like, rory, that doesn't make sense. To bring somebody on a stage in a room full of people and say, yo, don't take a picture, and don't. That's asking way too much of people.

[Julian]

Look at the verbiage of what I said. I'd appreciate if you guys didn't. I knew me bringing Amara on that stage, someone was probably going to take a photo, and I was fine with that. But I can say I'd appreciate if you guys don't. If they do, I don't care.

[Damaris]

But none came out. Did any come out? No. No. You guys, as fans, really love you guys.

[Julian]

I had. And then I had Amara on Discord video yesterday. Like, yeah, it's just for huge public consumption that I just don't put it. Like, she doesn't sit on my lap for the podcast.

[Rory]

No, I. I understand that part. I'm just. I'm just saying the bringing the kid on stage and then asking of people not to do something, something that I wouldn't do, because I just don't think people are that willing to not do what you ask.

[Julian]

Well, I mean, you are correct.

[Rory]

That's all I'm saying. Like, I just like to avoid this. Nah, I'm not doing that. That's all.

[Julian]

And then, even then, like, what, one person snaps a photo and no big.

[Mal]

Deal, they sell it to tmz.

[Julian]

Yeah. Like, we're not that famous.

[Rory]

Yeah. No. Circling back to something that DJ Clue tweeted. Was it last week, Julian?

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

So he tweeted. He asked a question. He pulled a question. Do we have a hip hop classic since 2020?

[Damaris]

And you came in. We talked about it, but you came in today and, you know, just Just.

[Rory]

Listening to music and things like that over the weekend. And I think I may have found the hip hop classic since 2020 that maybe people haven't noticed yet.

[Damaris]

We're on the edge of our seats.

[Julian]

Taylor Swift.

[Rory]

I think that first person shoot is a classic. Drake and J. Cole.

[Mal]

I think that's recency bias.

[Rory]

Recency bias.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

The song's not that recent out.

[Damaris]

Very recent.

[Mal]

Extremely recent.

[Rory]

When did that album come out?

[Mal]

First Person shooter mode came out like, what, three months ago?

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah. October.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And that's October.

[Mal]

Well, all right. You want that?

[Julian]

That's not really what Clue was getting at. Like, do I think that has potential to be a classic hip hop song? For sure. But Clue was talking about something like, along the lines of all about the Benjamins, Dreams and Nightmares. Something that plays everywhere no matter what year it is.

[Rory]

I think this is that record.

[Julian]

I think I haven't even heard it once since it.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Came out in, like a party.

[Rory]

You said you haven't heard it in a party.

[Damaris]

It's not really a party record.

[Rory]

What?

[Julian]

It's a. It's a potential to be a classic hip hop song. But you would put this, like, the way they put all about the Benjamins in every DJ set, no matter what. You think first person shooter in 20 years is gonna be like in a set from this era?

[Rory]

Absolutely.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Mal]

Song's only like three months old, by the way.

[Julian]

I'm with, I think, potentially a classic quality song.

[Rory]

I don't know if, like, I think this is. I think this is a. I think this is a great performance record. I think it's a great party record. Video. It's different energy. It's about two, three different types of energy on the record. Great rapping on the record. It has a lot of call and response moments on the record. I think that this is. This is. I. To me, this is a classic hip hop record. And I know it came out October, five months, whatever. Like, it's so.

[Julian]

It's.

[Rory]

It's. It's. It's not a year yet, but I think this is a record that people in. In. In 10 years. I think you play this record, you get the same response that you need now. Absolutely.

[Julian]

I just think what Clue was talking about is. Has to be a. Either at kickback, your car, strip club.

[Rory]

Real club, this place shows like this place everywhere.

[Julian]

I haven't been in the strip club.

[Rory]

Play this in the car. They're gonna shake ass to this in the strip club.

[Julian]

Really?

[Rory]

They're gonna play this at. Absolutely. Okay.

[Julian]

I haven't been in strip club since.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I'm. I was gonna say, especially when the.

[Rory]

Beat changes on Drake's verse, we can go absolutely 100%. 100%. This goes off in the strip club now, I haven't been to a strip club to see it, but that energy in the beat change with Drake's verse come in that strip, that baseline, that. That's absolutely strip club shit. Definitely.

[Damaris]

I'm not.

[Julian]

I mean, I'm not against the opinion.

[Rory]

I think so. I think this is it. We can. Ten years from now, we can circle back to this and play it and listen.

[Julian]

But you think the younger generation, when it's their time to party, the way I was. I don't know.

[Rory]

I think anybody that seven when all.

[Julian]

About the Benjamins came out, I think anybody that 22, we were listening to it at the party.

[Rory]

I think anybody that's 21 now, 22 years old now, when they're 32 and this record comes on, they're going to have the same.

[Julian]

Oh, I agree there. I'm talking about the kids that are kids that are 10 years old now. When it's their time to party, they're not going to. Will this be played?

[Rory]

No.

[Julian]

The same way it was with me when I was 10 years old, when all about the Benjamins came out.

[Mal]

Fucking or like International Players Anthem. It's like I was a child and I didn't know. And then now, like, that's all. Every party I go to, that song always goes up.

[Rory]

I think First Person Shooter is that. I think it has that same energy for sure now. Again, it's. It's fairly new, only a few months old. So people may not feel that yet, but in listening, because when it came on, I got that, I was like, this record is really good. This is a really good record. And it has all the elements to me of what? It doesn't sound like a dated beat. The music doesn't sound dated. It's like that drum, that bass.

[Mal]

Three months old.

[Rory]

No, but I'm saying it doesn't sound like it came out, you know, a year or two, three, four years. It doesn't sound like it came out yesterday. It sounded like. You can play that at any time and it would sound that good.

[Damaris]

I know y'all gonna call me crazy and kill me. I think Rich Baby Daddy will last longer than First Person Shooter if we're talking about.

[Julian]

Huh? It hasn't already?

[Damaris]

What do you mean it hasn't already? It definitely. I hear Rich Baby Daddy way more than I hear First Person Shooter. When I'm outside, you hear first person shooter. When you outside, I don't.

[Julian]

I don't hear either.

[Damaris]

Oh, you don't go outside. I hear Rich Baby Daddy. I don't hear first person shooter.

[Mal]

I'd have to agree. I think I hear Rich baby Daddy more.

[Julian]

Okay.

[Rory]

I don't hear.

[Julian]

I like Rich Baby Daddy play.

[Damaris]

I hear people play. Like. Like, for example, if we're in a.

[Rory]

Car, how does that go?

[Mal]

Bend that ass over.

[Julian]

Shake your ass for Drake. Great song.

[Rory]

Oh, but that's because that's a. That's a. A flip on the old record.

[Mal]

Hands on your knees.

[Julian]

Like everything is.

[Rory]

But no, that first person shoot is not a flip on the old record.

[Julian]

That's true.

[Rory]

Exactly.

[Julian]

I mean, I know Daddy Clue said hip hop, but I. Water, I think, outlasts everything. We're talking about Tyler. Yeah.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but I think that's a fad. I think water is going to go away.

[Julian]

Really?

[Damaris]

I think that's.

[Rory]

I'm sick of.

[Julian]

Maybe I'm. Maybe I'm. I think that's a song that's going to be around forever.

[Rory]

I hate. I'm not that I hate the record. I just cannot listen to that record. They play that anytime.

[Mal]

It's inescapable.

[Rory]

They play that song every fucking where. Everywhere. You go to aloe to get some fucking yoga sweatsuits and you go to fucking. Anywhere you go, water comes, make me sweat. I'm like, God damn. You ever get in the car, that song is playing. Get out the car, that song is playing. Get back in the cars. Coming right back on. I'm like, yo, dawg, I get it. Good song. Happy for Tyler. Her only award ever in her life is a fucking Grammy for that record. Great record, Great song. Happy for Tyler, but it's a such thing as, yo, I'm tired. I cannot hear that song.

[Damaris]

That's how much that happens about. I'm a mama. My sister feels like that about.

[Julian]

Really?

[Damaris]

She cannot.

[Julian]

It is everywhere, but not the way water is.

[Rory]

Like, yeah, water. This.

[Julian]

This happens with records. It's inevitable. I'm glad it's a record like Water.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Because that happens with records that I'm like, suck. What the fuck? This is a beautiful, soulful song.

[Mal]

Yeah, that happens with records like Moves Like Jagger. Oh, how many times could I hear that? I hated that song.

[Rory]

Moves Like Jagger.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Who was that?

[Mal]

What was that? Maroon 5.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah.

[Julian]

You know what started out as. And this is why I know I like water. When Justin Bieber said he got his peaches out in Georgia True. Loved it the first time. That song drives me nuts now. Yeah, that everywhere. It's a fire record, but it's one of those great record.

[Rory]

But I did. I, I, I don't hit that. I heard that record nowhere near as much as I hear water.

[Mal]

You guys.

[Damaris]

Speaking of beaver water.

[Rory]

Water is on every 14 minutes on the radio. Every 14 minutes, water is playing. That is like, I get it. Great. But come on, man.

[Damaris]

You know, it was like that when it came out. Remember? I like it by Cardi B and Bad Bunny.

[Mal]

Oh, my God.

[Julian]

It's a great song, but they.

[Damaris]

We couldn't escape that for like a year.

[Rory]

Speaking of another B play on an old record, you see Big Records, he.

[Mal]

Did a cover of Scissor at a. A recent show, first performance and I believe a couple years. But he, he stepped into Black History Month.

[Rory]

N why he didn't play his, his new rendition of One Less Lonely. Come on, yo. See beams like, this is what I' Man Beeves, don't do this. Don't. We don't want to hear snooze. I want to hear your acoustic version of One Less Lonely Nigga during Black History. Like, if you gonna give it to us, give it to us. Don't give me this shit.

[Julian]

And all right, I'm not shooting him any bail for that. But how come we don't ever ask who was that lady holding the camera and laughing in the background? Does she still work in the music industry?

[Rory]

Oh, 100%. Yeah.

[Julian]

Who was it?

[Rory]

You know who it was. The same person that voted for Taylor.

[Damaris]

Stop. You know what?

[Julian]

The same person.

[Rory]

That's what I'm. They're in the same room. These people are in our faces. They're in these rooms behind. Hiding behind these panels. And we don't want to ask these questions. Who are these people? We need to see these faces.

[Damaris]

Ma, I don't like that. You keep saying that's a flip on an old record. That's a flip on an old record. Like, all the old classic hip hop records aren't flips on old records. Hip hop is, is literally made out of being a flip on old records.

[Rory]

You telling me that I was there when hip hop started. You can't tell me that I know that. But that's why you fall in love with new songs like that, because you know that melody. You know that it's familiar. I get it. But it's like, come on, man. Like, let's get some originality.

[Julian]

I'm not saying that the bad boy era didn't have, like, egregious flips where it was legitimately just the same. Same song that Mace was rapping over. I'm not saying that didn't exist, but the level in the playing field versus then and now, every song is not even a flip. They're just. Just legitimately doing the song over.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's.

[Julian]

It's crazy.

[Rory]

It's just. And I get it. Hip hop comes from that sample.

[Julian]

Just be a little more creative with your sample.

[Rory]

I just don't like it when I. It's done in R B too much. I don't like that. I'm just like, yo, come on.

[Julian]

I'm with you.

[Rory]

Like rap hip hop. I understand it because that's where it derives from. But like, R and B, like, come on. Like, let's. Let's be a little more creative in R B.

[Julian]

And the way that they're. The rate they're going now, water will probably be sampled next year.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, agua.

[Damaris]

Oh, for sure. Agua.

[Rory]

And it'll be a cardi bat bunny on it. Featuring Bad Bunny. Agua.

[Julian]

I want beefs to put that on streaming.

[Rory]

One Less Lonely.

[Julian]

No, no.

[Rory]

Oh, the snooze. Snooze. I want to hear One Less Lonely.

[Mal]

It the acoustic.

[Rory]

I hate when he was in key. No, he was. Or was he in key? Perfect pitch. But I'm just saying, I have the key a lot. Yeah, I hate when people act like we don't remember those. You know what I mean?

[Julian]

It.

[Rory]

Yo, fam, don't get up here and give us acoustic snooze. Nah, give us One Less lonely. That's what we here for. Don't run from it. Like, yo, listen, I know I shouldn't have never made this record, but they.

[Julian]

Said there's no racism in Canada.

[Rory]

That's the first he was cheesing about.

[Damaris]

Singing, and he was just cheesing because.

[Julian]

That lady holding the camera laughing taught him that song. I want to know that woman.

[Rory]

Who?

[Julian]

Is she still on the team?

[Rory]

Oh, for sure.

[Damaris]

Look at his scooter.

[Julian]

Wasn't even in the green room. Pause for a second. Will we get flat? This is how crazy the music industry is. We might get flagged on YouTube if we play this.

[Rory]

That's crazy.

[Julian]

I'm sure he copyright this.

[Mal]

Yo, the proof across the TMZ is hilarious.

[Rory]

Proof that he said it.

[Mal]

He was very happy about, like.

[Julian]

One Less lonely nature.

[Rory]

There's going to be one less nice. If I kill you, I'll be part of the kk.

[Damaris]

He is so bad Bro.

[Rory]

Yeah, perform this with little twist. Yeah. Like, don't give me.

[Mal]

Eminem could do that racist rant that he went on, and Bieber could sing the hook for the record.

[Rory]

Oh, man, that tour would be crazy. Oh, that would change the economy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Yeah, that would really push that tour. Bieb going on his One Less Lonely Nigga tour. And even if going, oh, my God.

[Julian]

Wait till they find the original version of white Iverson.

[Mal]

There's not enough white robes.

[Rory]

Oh, my God. You talking about selling out soccer stadiums? Jesus Christ, Biebs. Something else happened at the Grammys then. Oh, Michael Killer Mike. He got arrested. We didn't talk about that. They said he got arrested because he stole three Grammys that he wasn't supposed to stop.

[Julian]

You know, I appreciated Travis's. Whatever his crew is called, the Utopias. I don't know.

[Damaris]

I don't know.

[Mal]

The Cacti.

[Julian]

The Cacti. I thought that was pretty funny not doing that.

[Rory]

That's not the name of Travis Scott.

[Mal]

Scott.

[Rory]

What are they.

[Mal]

What are Travis Scott fans called?

[Julian]

I really thought Cacti was the Ragers.

[Damaris]

They're the Ragers. No, that's Uzi.

[Rory]

The Ragers. Oh, they're dead because they got trampled at the show, remember? Yeah.

[Damaris]

We'Re off the rails here.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

What are they called, though?

[Rory]

Deceased.

[Mal]

The Six Feet Asthmatic.

[Rory]

Six Feet Boys.

[Mal]

Six Feet.

[Rory]

Yeah. Asthmatic.

[Damaris]

Claustrophobic is so cool.

[Rory]

The Claustrophobics.

[Mal]

Yeah, I guess they are the Ragers. Maris is right.

[Julian]

Really?

[Rory]

Nah, he got to get in. He got to get in a new name for them Rages ain't.

[Mal]

Rages is whack.

[Damaris]

That's not whack.

[Rory]

Ragers.

[Mal]

It doesn't even apply to. It's like. It's not unique to him.

[Rory]

Yeah, it's not. I mean, I know they have.

[Damaris]

Navy isn't unique to Rihanna.

[Rory]

They have a mosh pit at his shows, but come on. Like, it's.

[Julian]

And isn't that Uzi's thing doesn't rage like his?

[Damaris]

Nah, they. I feel like they rage way more at the.

[Rory]

At the.

[Damaris]

Travis.

[Rory]

No way.

[Damaris]

Them white kids be raging more than Uzi. Yes.

[Rory]

No way.

[Damaris]

And watch them overdose. When he played fiend man 11 times in a row.

[Rory]

That. That was one song.

[Julian]

Even dude, like Arenas, though. Uzi by himself. I'm not getting into this debate.

[Mal]

So. No, you do, like, a T5 two nights in a row kind of thing.

[Rory]

Little Uzi doesn't. Does. He doesn't do arenas.

[Julian]

I wouldn't think so.

[Rory]

Really?

[Julian]

By himself? Maybe in Philly I can see it.

[Rory]

Or like certain because he's from there.

[Julian]

You know, I'm saying certain like Dirk did an arena dedicated.

[Damaris]

Like, like fan base. Like the totality fan base. Like Travis does. Travis, they will buy anything he markets to them. Like I don't think Uzi has really. Yeah. Being a Travis Scott fan is a lifestyle.

[Mal]

But Uzi books major slots at festivals though.

[Damaris]

Yeah, huge.

[Mal]

If not headliners, second billing.

[Rory]

That's so interesting that he does not. He doesn't do arenas, is it? Wow.

[Damaris]

You have little Uzi.

[Rory]

I wouldn't. I thought little Uzi was doing arenas. I wouldn't. I'm not checking for it. I'm not going to the show. But I would think that little Uzi is doing arenas. Absolutely.

[Damaris]

It's hard to buy. It's hard to. For people to buy tickets. I mean like do shows now. People are not buying tickets to shows.

[Julian]

Oh, it just. It just reminded me because she buy.

[Rory]

Tickets to shows, just not certain shows.

[Julian]

What happened with. With Nikki and Killer Mike?

[Damaris]

Oh, so nothing. Killer Mike won the award. But whoever is on the Grammys social team is a genius. This. They tweeted out that Barbie World won rap song of the year.

[Mal]

Oh yeah.

[Damaris]

Instead, that was not. I don't give a what. Nobody say that wasn't on accident. They said the envelope said Killer Mike. They said they announced Killer Mike at the pre Grammy show. Like everything said Killer Mike except for Twitter. Twitter the recording at recording a cad said no, Nikki. Barbie World won this and then deleted it.

[Julian]

I cannot believe Nikki didn't hop on on IG Live within seconds of that happening.

[Damaris]

I think she would have if it wasn't Killer Mike. That one. And it was one of her competitors. That's if it like doing that for Killer Mike is just like girl like Drake lost too. So like what are you gonna.

[Julian]

You know, I mean, Kai had her back. Kai had no idea who the Killer Mike was, even though he lives in his city.

[Rory]

I mean, I don't expect Kasha not to know who Killer Mike is.

[Julian]

Neither am I.

[Rory]

You know, I mean, I didn't have.

[Julian]

The hip hop outrage the way. Yeah, like kai is what, 20 something?

[Rory]

Yeah. Certain artists, I don't expect like these younger cats to know who they are, but I would, I would, I would. I would actually love to see Kai do a stream with Killer Mike.

[Mal]

That'd be cool.

[Rory]

I think that'd be super cool. Yeah, it's okay. When, when, when. We gotta get past this thing of when people don't know who certain people are. It's looked at as like, yo, that's yo, what the fuck? How you don't know. Instead say, oh, you don't know who he is. Invite him on your stream.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Rory]

Sit down and kick it with him. Get to know who Killer Mike is. Get to know exactly the type of person, how intelligent this artist is, how important this artist is, and why this artist won three Grammys. Like, I think that's the way to go. So, yeah, Kai, Kai, get Killer Mike on the stream, man, and have some fun and bring some police there to lock Killer Mike up in your basement.

[Julian]

Like how old was kai in 2003 when never scared came up?

[Mal]

Yeah, yeah, it probably doesn't even. Roger Jewels is probably. There's a lot that he.

[Rory]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So instead of, you know, like how you know, Killer Mike fans being mad at Kyle for not knowing who Killer Mike is and all have him on for a stream, have him on as a guest and that's how you squash all of that and get to know who Killer Mike is.

[Damaris]

Yeah, but why would he do that? How would that benefit him?

[Rory]

Benefit who?

[Damaris]

Kai's streaming is a job. How would him having Killer Mike on benefit him and his audience?

[Rory]

He's a three time Grammy winner rapper from Atlanta who's very intelligent on social issues. Very intelligent on a lot of issues that's going on in our culture and our communities. And Kasa, not being a young person that's living in the city that Killer Mike is from, I think that it would be beneficial for Kasa not to at least know. He doesn't have to be a fan of his music.

[Damaris]

I didn't say how to at least.

[Rory]

Know who Killer might be.

[Damaris]

I didn't say how it would be beneficial to Kai. How would it be beneficial to Kai's platform and Kai's job? That's what I see.

[Julian]

Because the people understanding his brand and.

[Rory]

Introducing his audience, his introducing his audience to artists and people that they may not know in the city, a big figure in the city that Kai Sanat lives in. Like, it would be very, very beneficial to a Kai and his platform to have Killer Mike mic on.

[Damaris]

Okay, absolutely. Well, cut. I'm not arguing with you. I'm just saying Kai's platform, the guest he brings on is to draw streams to his platform.

[Rory]

He.

[Damaris]

We know who his audience is. His audience is kids. Killer Mike is not. He doesn't make music for their demographic. So yes, for us it would be cool. But if Killer Mike went on a Kai, so not stream, most Killer Mike fans wouldn't go see it and then Kai. So not fans are not really, he's not really going to garner any, any new fans from that. So that's why I said why would it be beneficial for his platform?

[Julian]

He might.

[Mal]

Kai also said his stream, his audience are not kids. Remember that? That was pretty recent.

[Julian]

He said that'd be your definition of kids. But yeah, and also I think a lot of the kids that watch Kai and look up to him want to be like him as far as streaming in the business that he does. Killer Mike is an incredibly intelligent businessman. I think it would be an incredible conversation for the two of them to talk about business. And I think his fans, most of his fans want to be him. They want to stream, they try to do YouTube channels like him. To have Killer Mike on there, just on a business aspect would be an incredible conversation, I think for his audience.

[Rory]

Yeah. And not only just for the audience, it just for the optics and the aesthetics of the young streamers, the older rappers. Three time Grammy winner. That just gives it a different, you know, now it's like, oh, Kai is sitting down with people that he does. He doesn't know. He's getting to learn about these people and he's bringing these people into his world where Killer Mike may not know much about that streaming world. He's very intelligent, so he pretty much might know. But I think that that's just a dope look. Like the young streamer.

[Damaris]

I agree.

[Rory]

The old MC who just won three Grammys, being from the same city that Kasa not now lives in. I just think that, you know, he gets Kai, Kai gets information on Atlanta that he doesn't know about, on why Atlanta is considered the black Hollywood and things like that. I think that it's just a good look for Kai as well as Killer Mike because now it lets. It kind of takes away that stink of the older generation. Doesn't really fuck with the younger generation.

[Mal]

Yeah, it's a nice cross pollination. I think it would be a mutually beneficial moment.

[Julian]

I think Killer Mike's album was a perfect representation of that. If you look at the features, like there's people on, like Atlanta is on there.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

And on top of that, outside of DJ Envy putting him on camera with that guy. Killer Mike is very vocal about black ownership and real estate and you know, owning homes within the Georgia community. Where do you stream from? Your home? Yeah, it's a very important conversation to people that want to stream eventually. That. That's your office.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Like I think home is the most Important part to a streamer.

[Rory]

Yeah, I think that would be.

[Julian]

You should learn about real estate. But anyways. Do we have voicemails?

[Rory]

You've got mail.

[Mal]

We do. I figured we. We sidestepped away from our usual relationship advice, so I figured we'd get back into it with one today. So there you go.

[Julian]

Yo, Rory, Ma, Damaris, Julian, Yomi.

[Damaris]

Thank you for having me on the show.

[Julian]

This is Chris from the Bay Area represent for the 510 and the 415. I just have a question, quick question, if y'all will be so free to answer it. I've been dating a girl since the.

[Damaris]

Start of last year.

[Julian]

Started 2023. We got to gather at the start of this year. And she's perfect. She's 33.

[Mal]

I'm 30, about to be 31.

[Julian]

She's about to be 34. She's per. I love everything about this girl, except for one thing. She has made comments that she is not exactly. She doesn't know if she wants to have kids.

[Rory]

Right.

[Julian]

But all her friends have kids, and she wants to be on some Best aunt ever.

[Rory]

Shit.

[Julian]

Me, personally, I want to have kids. Like, I. I love the idea of being a father. I love the idea of raising someone to be the best that they can be. So I'm having this internal conflict of how do I approach her about. Yo, let's. Let's maybe get on the same page about kids.

[Rory]

How do I do that?

[Mal]

Come on, guys.

[Julian]

Can y'all give me some advice? Thank you, and I appreciate y'all.

[Rory]

Yo, listen, man, just shoot it up, all right?

[Mal]

Still talking about Atlanta.

[Rory]

Yeah, man, just shoot up the club, man. Just a lot of. You know how many women I've heard say, I don't want kids? And as soon as they have one, it's like they just don't even remember who they were before having a kid. Like, I can't believe I asked.

[Damaris]

Women don't want kids.

[Rory]

No, that's. No, it's not. So you made it sound negative to.

[Julian]

Get a woman pregnant that doesn't want to get pregnant.

[Rory]

It.

[Julian]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Rory]

It's your lady.

[Mal]

It's not, like, small, but it's her body.

[Rory]

Yeah, but, I mean, I know.

[Damaris]

That's why I'm not paying him. No.

[Julian]

Then she ends up being a shitty mother, and you're mad at her when she tried to tell you I didn't want to be a mother.

[Mal]

He's dead ass.

[Rory]

Nah, I think that most people that say they don't want to have kids, he's not dead. A lot of people say that until they actually have a kid. I know a bunch of people that was like, nah, I'm not having no kids. I'm not. And now that they have kids, they fucking love it. They want to have another one. Like, they want. They have three now. And at one point it was like, I'm not having none. It happens. A lot of people feel like they don't want kids until they have a kid. And then it's like, oh, shit. Like, this is amazing. This is beautiful. Like, it happens. A lot of people feel that way. I just think that that's probably where his girlfriend is at. Like, she's feeling like, I don't want no kids. You say that now. Okay, cool. But then we have a kid, we have a family, we start a family. And then you're like, dude, this is incredible. Like, I love this part of my life.

[Julian]

All right, so break down this whole process. So he nuts inside of her. She becomes good start pregnant. She pees on the stick.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

After she's already said, yeah, I did not want a kid.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

I don't think when she sees the two lines, that's going to change her perspective. So walk me through the nine months of this pregnancy of a woman that said she did not want to have a kid. And how are you going to duck the option?

[Rory]

Well, if she really. If she really doesn't want it, she'll have an abortion.

[Mal]

So you really put her in a nice position.

[Julian]

So let's. Let's get her pregnant just to see.

[Rory]

No, but.

[Mal]

No, again, plan B is a radiator and some handcuffs.

[Rory]

People say, okay, is it.

[Julian]

What if they live in Texas?

[Rory]

We need more information. Is she on birth control?

[Mal]

Well, no, if she got pregnant.

[Rory]

I'm just saying it. That's what I'm saying. Is she on? We don't know. If she is, then she really doesn't. She's not trying to be pregnant at all. Adult. But if she's not, well, women monitor her period.

[Mal]

Yeah, that's different.

[Rory]

Or control being pregnant and not.

[Mal]

But women opt to not be on birth control.

[Damaris]

Birth control is awful for you. And so many people have gotten all types of blood clots and for it. Because it's absolutely terrible. Terrible for you. Causes weight gain, makes your hormones fluctuate, gives you suicidal ideation. So, yeah, sometimes you don't want to have a baby, but sometimes you want to kill yourself just a little less. So you might not do birth control. You might just monitor when you're ovulating.

[Rory]

Yeah. Either or that's. That's still birth control to some. To some degree. Monitoring when you're ovulating, that's controlling your.

[Damaris]

Birth chart for sure.

[Julian]

But I think after she sees the two lines, she's gonna have some revelation and be like, I can't wait to have the skip.

[Rory]

I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen with a lot of girls. I know they were swapping down. I'm not having kids. I'm not having kids. Soon as they got pregnant, was ecstatic, was happy, was excited, loved that they have a family now. It happens.

[Damaris]

It does happen. No, I'm not. I am in the form telling you that that does not happen. But he should not. He should actually listen to the person that he's dating and go off of what she's saying.

[Rory]

Oh, women don't know nothing. I don't know what y'all want.

[Mal]

That's airtight logic. Yeah. She's also 34.

[Rory]

I just posted that tweet of the girl that said. That's the. Three years ago. She was like, yo, men that could cook. Cook deserve sloppy head. Like, at the drop of a diamond in four years later tweeted, men that can cook are sassy.

[Julian]

I saw that.

[Rory]

That's a very funny women date. That's. You just don't. It's like, all right, this is your partner. This is who you're going to be with. This is who you love. You're 34. That's what she said.

[Julian]

Almost. Okay. If she was 22 and was like, I don't want kids, I could see a world where eventually she may want kids. I think at 34, you know, you have a pretty good grasp on whether you want to have kids. Kids or not.

[Rory]

Yes and no. Because I know girls that had kids after they were 34.

[Julian]

Do they have a kid before?

[Rory]

No.

[Damaris]

You ever considered that? Some people have kids and they say they didn't want them, and then they have kids, and you're like, oh, they're so happy because they're, like, making the best out of their situation. It's kind of like that's what we're.

[Rory]

All on this earth for, to make the best of our.

[Damaris]

Yeah, okay. But that doesn't mean that that's what they want, is that it's what happened and they're making the best out of the situation. They're choosing not to spend the rest of their life raising their kid. Upset that they have a kid.

[Rory]

Kid.

[Damaris]

Because I, as a woman, know so many women who go out into the world and they post their kids and they look so happy to be moms, but when they get on that phone at night with me, they're crying and like, why the did I do this? I didn't want to do this. I hate being a mother. But they're making the best out of a situation. That happens way too often.

[Rory]

Yeah, I just. Yeah, it happens. But I think it goes both ways, though. There's definitely women that absolutely don't want kids and don't end up. Don't ever having kids. I know that too. But I also know women that at one point was saying, hell, no, I'm not having no kids. Fuck no.

[Damaris]

Like, so at 30, if he. If he's saying at 33, going on 34, she's adamant that she doesn't want kids. What? He's looking for you guys to give him advice, real advice. Please do not shoot that girl's body up without her permission. What. What is you guys advice to him?

[Julian]

I think if. If you want to be very serious with somebody and see the rest of your life with them, your opinion on children needs to align.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Even if that's your twin flame, soul mate, all that. I understand. But if kids is part of your plan and what you want to see with your life, you want to experience having children, you can't be with someone that doesn't. Now, if she was unable to have kids, that's different conversation. But if she's healthy enough to have kids and she does not want to and you want to. I don't really see. I don't care if you're the closest relationship ever. That's. It can't really work out. If kids are.

[Rory]

If you want to have kids and your girl is not able to have kids, do you stay with her?

[Damaris]

Don't stay with her.

[Rory]

No.

[Mal]

Because if I'm at that point where I really want to be a father, then that would be just the looming thing over the course of our entire existence.

[Rory]

Would you adopt Shock.

[Mal]

I'm too selfish.

[Julian]

Well, I don't think she would want to have kids.

[Damaris]

No, we're talking about if she couldn't have kids.

[Julian]

Oh, she couldn't have.

[Mal]

Oh, she couldn't. Oh, if she couldn't.

[Julian]

That's a different.

[Mal]

That's a different. That's a different conversation.

[Rory]

That's the conversation I'm having.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I didn't know you were talking, like medically unable to have children. I thought you meant she just didn't want to. If it's someone I loved, and we tried every single Route. Like, I would spend a lot. It's so expensive to go through that, but I would do it. It. And if all the options were exhausted, then I would look into an adoption process, because if that's the person I really want to be with. We tried our best. So be it. This is where we're at. Or I'll just nut and some other girl and then raise that kid. And then we can just be like, yo, thanks.

[Rory]

God damn it, Julian. That's what I was.

[Julian]

One big, happy family.

[Rory]

Be a man, Julian.

[Mal]

I feel like. Which one of your friends is your favorite? Give me that one.

[Rory]

Yeah, exactly.

[Julian]

I have plans eventually to adopt you.

[Rory]

What? Why not have another kid?

[Julian]

I won't have another kid and adopt.

[Rory]

Brady.

[Mal]

You really want a black baby?

[Rory]

Are you gonna adopt?

[Julian]

I would get an Asian one.

[Rory]

Are you gonna adopt a black baby?

[Julian]

I. I haven't thought that far to the process.

[Mal]

They're cheaper.

[Julian]

Kia was adopted. I grew up around a lot of adopted kids, kids that were in foster care. Like, I appreciate that system and want to contribute where I can.

[Mal]

That's cool.

[Julian]

I. I want to adopt. Yep.

[Damaris]

St. I told him that. That was really. It's really cool.

[Mal]

So you would want another full blood with the Mara. Like, just a full full blood.

[Damaris]

What is like a real.

[Julian]

Like a real kid?

[Rory]

Like a day walker? Like a day walker.

[Mal]

Another mug? Yeah.

[Rory]

You want a day walker?

[Mal]

You're doing the Lord's work. You're bringing gingers back and adopting children. That is a. Wow. That's great.

[Rory]

You're a philanthropist.

[Julian]

That is true.

[Mal]

You're a full on rapist.

[Rory]

You're a full on rapist. That's so inappropriate right there. Oh, my God.

[Julian]

It's J. Cole's first rap fact. I'm serious.

[Mal]

Wait, the philanthropist. You're right.

[Julian]

Therapist was his therapy.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

I'm so. I'm so. I'm so glad he was like, you know what? J. Cole.

[Julian]

Fun J. Cole fact for all you J. Cole fans out there, when he was at St. John's his rap name was Therapist. My cousin and former business partner went to college with him. They all looked at him when they were trying to find a logo. And Aristotle was like, bro, that says the rapist.

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

You need. Jermaine. You need to change your. What's your real name?

[Rory]

What's your real name? Let's go with that. Let's go with J. Cole.

[Julian]

It was looking at logos like it just says the rapist.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

No matter how you write it.

[Rory]

No matter how you write it. I don't care how you spell it. That's the rapist. The marriage.

[Mal]

What would you do? What would you tell him?

[Damaris]

Oh, I would tell him to. Yeah, find somebody that wants to have kids.

[Rory]

Baby, do you want kids?

[Damaris]

Yes, I want. I want nothing more than to be a mother and a wife. That's my life goal.

[Rory]

Your life goal is to be a mother and a wife.

[Damaris]

To have a family, to raise like a hat. A happy, healthy family with, like, other extensions. And I want family businesses and all of that, but I want my family to be a core. I was raised on family values, so. Yeah.

[Julian]

What if I adopted a white ginger?

[Mal]

That's excessive.

[Rory]

Then I would be like, all right, there's something wrong with you. There's something really wrong.

[Damaris]

Well, I mean, nobody else is going to do it, so I say that's.

[Mal]

The kid you could sacrifice.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Rory]

We'll be back after a word from our sponsors.

[Damaris]

We have those sponsors.

[Julian]

You know, I'm nervous about, though, the. The adoption interview. Like, I feel like I would fail that. I feel like I tried to make an inappropriate joke, or I would be nervous. I would just not look like a fit parent through that entire, entire thing.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Yeah. I'd offer them alcohol.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You want something to drink? We're here for an adoption interview.

[Rory]

Yeah. I'm going to the liquor store. You need anything?

[Damaris]

You think you passed the home inspection?

[Julian]

Yeah, I'm a very clean person.

[Damaris]

It's not.

[Julian]

There's guns in there, but do you think the gut. What would stop it?

[Mal]

Yo, whatever happened to that paper towels and guns in your bathroom?

[Julian]

Oh, it's still.

[Mal]

Geez.

[Julian]

Long story. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mal]

Like, I had a leak.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Julian]

That homeowner sometimes is really annoying.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

With insurance, but. Oh, should I put a. Should I put Amara in the fresh air program? Even though she's, like, well off. Why is jail.

[Damaris]

You have a well off kid.

[Julian]

So are you.

[Rory]

So what?

[Julian]

Jay doesn't call me.

[Mal]

You were a well off kid, too.

[Damaris]

I'm not a well off kid.

[Rory]

Kid. He.

[Damaris]

I said he has a.

[Julian]

He's an adult.

[Mal]

No, I'm saying you were.

[Damaris]

No, I wasn't. Julia. You were a well off kid, baby.

[Mal]

Oh, no, I was not.

[Damaris]

We were poor, poor buddies.

[Mal]

I'm not poor. I was just, you know, lower middle class.

[Rory]

Whatever. Lower middle class.

[Damaris]

That was well off.

[Mal]

It's not well off.

[Rory]

That's not well off. Low middle class. We.

[Mal]

We did fine. It felt fine.

[Rory]

But parents worked.

[Mal]

Yeah, my parents worked. I went to public schools. Went to a very good private school. I have a lot of debt. Like, I don't. There's no. There was no, like, handout. It was like.

[Rory]

Well, definitely not.

[Mal]

Well, you'll get through, but good luck.

[Rory]

You. You. It's gonna be food on the table tonight, but.

[Mal]

Yeah, I'm not never worried about that stuff.

[Rory]

Yeah, I get it.

[Julian]

I had food, clothes, didn't miss basketball camp, so I think I was all right.

[Rory]

Same.

[Damaris]

Oh, my God.

[Julian]

Any camp.

[Rory]

I always say I could never say I got it out the mud. That'd be a lie.

[Mal]

Yeah. I can't say that.

[Rory]

No, no. Didn't get out the mud. Got it out the fridge.

[Mal]

Got it out the fridge.

[Rory]

Got it out the fridge. Mom. Action mom kept the fridge stocked. Like, I got it out the fridge, fam. I don't know what to tell y'all, nigga. We only did mischievous shit like. Like, you know, Rob the Asian food delivery guy because we were just bored. We wasn't starving. I had food upstairs on the stove. Promise.

[Julian]

You robbed the Chinese guy with a full stomach?

[Rory]

Yeah. Like, I was burping when he pulled up, like, yo, what? All right. How many wings? Y'all order? Like.

[Mal]

You're like, oh, shit, I already ate.

[Rory]

Like, oh, I.

[Julian]

The wings away.

[Rory]

Like, I'm like, yo, we didn't. We. We just did. Because we were born. That was it.

[Julian]

Depending on the weather, some. Sometimes it was muddy.

[Rory]

Yeah, sometimes. But I didn't get nothing out of the mud. I went upstairs and I had rain boots on. So.

[Julian]

What can you actually get out of the mud, though?

[Rory]

Wingworms.

[Damaris]

You guys ever had ringworm before?

[Rory]

Hell, no.

[Julian]

No.

[Rory]

All the dirty, I never had. I never had.

[Mal]

I've had one.

[Rory]

What's the kissing disease?

[Julian]

I never had mono either. That's because I didn't get pussy.

[Rory]

That's dirty shit. That's just dirty.

[Damaris]

I got mono from one of my homegirls.

[Rory]

Dirty. Dirty.

[Mal]

Honestly, no.

[Damaris]

Not even drinking after her. I swear to God. Drinking? All I did was drink.

[Rory]

I was never a fan of that. Not drinking.

[Mal]

I don't know. Oh, no.

[Rory]

Drinking after. Never a fan of that.

[Damaris]

Ma, do not smack with people. I asked Ma to smoke. Ma will make. Give me.

[Rory]

I give you your own. I'm not. I just. That was never my drip. I'm not with that.

[Julian]

My friend in high school got crabs from a toilet at Icon Stadium.

[Mal]

Yeah.

[Rory]

That's what he told you?

[Julian]

No, he was a virgin. He really got crabs from. On the toilet at Icon Stadium Island.

[Rory]

Dirty. Why are you brand new? Yeah, brand new. Why are you sitting on a Public toilet.

[Mal]

Putting your ass on the.

[Julian]

I see. I agree. No, I agree there dirty.

[Rory]

All of the y'all say comes from just being dirty. Mano you talking some random girls. Harlem stinking Lincoln, home of the dirty.

[Damaris]

The I didn't start like coming into contact with really dirty until I went to college. College dorm rooms and dorm bathrooms were gross. That's why I got ringworm from was college.

[Mal]

My high school was pretty filthy. College was gross.

[Damaris]

College is.

[Julian]

They had the mats in the gym. High school, there was a ringworm like outbreak. Thank God I never got dirty.

[Rory]

Don't know. Wash their ass. Wash your hands. Wash what you use.

[Mal]

Guys ever get pink eye?

[Rory]

Never.

[Julian]

No, I wasn't one of the chosen ones.

[Rory]

Never happened.

[Julian]

I've ate a lot of ass too. I'm shocked. It never happened.

[Damaris]

I thought I had pink eye, but.

[Mal]

Friend of mine currently has pink eye eye.

[Rory]

Currently.

[Mal]

And I said, I was like, get your eye out of her.

[Rory]

I just wash your hands. Like why people don't wash their hands.

[Mal]

But if you're eating ass.

[Damaris]

I mean, Rory told me this girl when I told. I thought I had pink eye, but I really didn't. I had scratched my cornea or whatever, but I thought I had pink eye, so I didn't come to work. And he was like that girl farting on your pillow.

[Julian]

Taylor went nuts at chick room.

[Rory]

Taylor, do we have any more voicemail? That was it.

[Julian]

First of all, it doesn't make you dirty if you get ringworm because you were in gym class and some money. Someone else had it. That's how things spread.

[Mal]

Yeah, let's hold the. Let's hold the voicemails for. For later in the week.

[Rory]

Okay? We can do that.

[Julian]

Prayers to Lisa Ann.

[Rory]

What happened? Don't tell me Lisa and died. Oh, my God. I was about to be sick.

[Mal]

Quite the opposite.

[Damaris]

His whole heart dropped.

[Rory]

Yo, you know how that is. To hear about Lisa and you thinking she prayers to Lisa and like, what the. What happened?

[Julian]

She was dragged out of Radio City.

[Mal]

City going on what here Matt Rice for cosplay.

[Rory]

I didn't touch my phone.

[Julian]

I wanted to see Matt Rice.

[Rory]

Wait, what?

[Damaris]

She probably was trying to record in a place you were not able to record and was probably drunk and belligerent.

[Rory]

And made every cop arresting her has jacked off to this lady before. That's Lisa Ann, the legend. You were gonna arrest her because she pulled her phone out?

[Julian]

Yeah, at Radio City. That's the thing.

[Mal]

How do you think her and Matt rife know each other?

[Rory]

She said they're good oh, you know how? The same way I know her.

[Mal]

He's like, 27.

[Julian]

Yeah, so?

[Mal]

So she's what?

[Rory]

She's probably like.

[Mal]

No, I'm saying we work together. Okay, fine. In that case, if Matt Rife and her work together, what do you think? They're working on some contents 20 minutes ahead?

[Rory]

I would be if I worked at least.

[Damaris]

Ah, 10 maybe.

[Rory]

I would be like, yo, Lisa, we got to get this content going, you know? It's content.

[Mal]

She's 51. She looks great.

[Rory]

She's 51.

[Damaris]

She looks amazing.

[Mal]

Damn, she looks great. Born in 72. Oh, she's from Easton. That's where my college is.

[Rory]

Great.

[Mal]

And that's also where the Crayola factory is.

[Damaris]

Yes, I've been there. It's nice. I told Rory he should take Amara.

[Mal]

Do you guys know what color the largest crane in the world is?

[Rory]

Yep.

[Mal]

What is it?

[Rory]

Crack a white.

[Mal]

Nope.

[Damaris]

What is it?

[Mal]

Well, I guess mustard. Mauve.

[Julian]

No.

[Mal]

Why are you guys doing, like, the weird color? Think popular.

[Damaris]

Red.

[Mal]

It's a. No, it's blue. Blue. It's made of recycled old crayons.

[Rory]

Julian. I feel like I could have left this planet not knowing it.

[Mal]

But it's cool. It's. It's huge. It's very nice.

[Julian]

And to be mad at us for not guessing. Yeah, it's blue.

[Mal]

Like, you're guessing.

[Rory]

Like, I didn't say MAU.

[Mal]

Weird colors because you set it up.

[Julian]

As if it was going to be some crazy thing. It's just a blue fucking crayon.

[Mal]

Yeah. Think simple. There it is. It's like the Wembignana of crayons.

[Damaris]

If anybody is depressed right now, get a coloring book and some crayons and color. It'll help.

[Rory]

Are you depressed right now? Do you have a color?

[Julian]

I'm actually in a really.

[Damaris]

I'm in a really good place.

[Julian]

Don't take birth control.

[Rory]

Does that make you depressed?

[Julian]

Too soon? That's what you just told us.

[Damaris]

Oh, too a little bit too soon, maybe. That's okay.

[Julian]

Fair enough. Anyways.

[Rory]

All right. Well, I'm just glad Lisa Ann is still alive and well. And, you know, I would have bailed.

[Julian]

Her out had I. Oh, I would.

[Rory]

Definitely put something on Lisanne's books as much.

[Julian]

I would have followed the cop car.

[Rory]

Yeah, I. I owe Lisa Ann. I owe her a lot.

[Mal]

I don't know, the way the cop.

[Rory]

Crazy.

[Julian]

Does she need a character witness? Yeah, like, when is the trial?

[Damaris]

Character wit.

[Rory]

I will speak at her trial if she needs me to.

[Julian]

That's a hard worker. Your Honor.

[Rory]

Are you kidding me?

[Julian]

Lisa Ann, Everything. Everything that she does.

[Rory]

Christ.

[Damaris]

Is she in your top five?

[Rory]

Lisa Ann?

[Damaris]

Yeah. I wouldn't expect you to watch white woman porn, so.

[Rory]

Who, me?

[Damaris]

No, Ro.

[Rory]

She at least top five? Top ten. She's in my top ten. I don't know if she's in my top top five. She's in my top ten for sure. There's a new one that cracked my top five that might have got Lisa an out of there. Who? Savannah Bond. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ.

[Mal]

Savannah Bond.

[Rory]

Jesus Christ. She's incredible.

[Julian]

Pull her up.

[Mal]

See?

[Rory]

Yeah, she's incredible.

[Mal]

You really. You really like the Milk Mall?

[Rory]

Oh, those are the nastiest.

[Mal]

You're a milk Nasties all.

[Damaris]

Definitely a milk porn star.

[Rory]

Oh, God.

[Mal]

Mall is a milk.

[Rory]

She's fairly new. She's a couple years in. She's in my top.

[Mal]

Oh, she's born in 1990. She's from Melbourne, Australia.

[Rory]

Yeah, she's an Aussie.

[Damaris]

Rory, do you like redheaded porn? Like redhead women porn?

[Julian]

No, I. I like.

[Mal]

It's a lot of red, white porn.

[Julian]

But not, I don't know, redhead.

[Damaris]

That self hate is so deep.

[Julian]

It's very deep.

[Rory]

Okay, that's hilarious. Like black. We can't do that.

[Mal]

I can't.

[Rory]

I can't do a. Rory just did.

[Julian]

But mine's very specific. Like white porn is fine. I like white porn. But specific to gingers is like.

[Rory]

That's hilarious.

[Julian]

It's like looking at a sibling.

[Mal]

They say approximately 2 to 6% of the US population is redheaded.

[Julian]

That's a. When you're Talking about the US population, 2 to 6 is a huge gap.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Yeah, it is.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I would say 1%, 6 to 18 million individuals.

[Rory]

All right, well, I think we addressed and touched everything we wanted to do and everyone we wanted to touch today.

[Julian]

We can talk super bowl predictions on Friday.

[Rory]

Oh, we know who's winning Super Bowl. We know.

[Mal]

Prediction.

[Damaris]

Same person that won album of the year, Young Swizzle.

[Julian]

I can't wait till she goes close 50 yard line after they win and endorses Biden.

[Damaris]

Do you guys think that Usher will bring anybody out?

[Julian]

Nah.

[Mal]

Taylor Swift?

[Rory]

Nah, I don't think he's bringing. I think he's taking that one to the face.

[Mal]

Hey, yo.

[Rory]

Taking it to the face. Meaning by itself. How's that a. Yo, what if.

[Julian]

What if Kiki Palmer's like front row?

[Rory]

I hope not.

[Damaris]

Oh, that would be great marketing.

[Rory]

No, it wouldn't. Fool. Who?

[Mal]

Kiki.

[Julian]

Kiki not getting custody of her kid.

[Rory]

Like, who would that be great marketing for. He's already. Halftime, super bowl show. He may bring out some guests who. I could see him, John. I could see him doing some real Atlanta.

[Damaris]

Yeah, I was just saying I could.

[Rory]

See him doing some real Atlanta. I could see him bringing Atlanta to the Super Bowl.

[Mal]

You see his skims campaign that came out while we were recording?

[Julian]

No, I didn't see it while we were recording.

[Rory]

No, I'm not looking at Usher with his underwear on while we're recording, Julian.

[Mal]

Sorry, I was. Damaris was looking at it and I noticed it.

[Damaris]

I said, oh, look at Usher. And you say, yeah, he looks great. Like you saw it already.

[Mal]

Okay, he does look great.

[Rory]

How much of this. How much of the skims underwear?

[Damaris]

Probably, like. They're probably like 35, 40 a pair.

[Julian]

40 for one pair of underwear?

[Mal]

You're gonna cop.

[Julian]

No, wait.

[Rory]

One pair.

[Julian]

Gas prices, right? Know that is $40 for one pair of underwear?

[Damaris]

No, I don't buy them. I'm just saying that's. I would assume probably 30 to 40 for a two pack. Probably.

[Mal]

I don't know. That seems expensive.

[Rory]

I'm not paying $40 for one pair of underwear. From skin.

[Julian]

No.

[Damaris]

Well, how much?

[Julian]

Not one brand ever.

[Mal]

24.

[Damaris]

Oh, okay.

[Julian]

Even that's overpriced to me.

[Damaris]

Well, how much do you guys. What underwear do you guys buy?

[Mal]

Calvin, why you look a Crooks and.

[Damaris]

Castles kind of guy.

[Julian]

Yo, I've not heard castles in.

[Rory]

I'm not gonna lie.

[Julian]

12 years maybe.

[Mal]

That was crazy.

[Rory]

Thought you thought Jay restrained himself. Well, in the elevator. Y'all don't even know what I was just about to say to Damaris. I was going to say some very disrespectful, like, y'all don't give me enough credit for the way I restrain myself sitting in this seat and on this microphone.

[Julian]

Did she have a point, though?

[Rory]

I've never worn Crooks and Castle anything in my life. Never worn anything that said crookstream. Calvin. I wear Calvin Klein's. I wear figure. I wear polo. I wear. I used to wear Ethical, but I don't like the. I don't like polyester. I don't like.

[Damaris]

Yeah, that material.

[Julian]

Yeah, I gotta work out in sometimes.

[Rory]

Yeah, I don't you guys know anyone.

[Mal]

That wears this style of brief?

[Rory]

My grandfather used to wear those.

[Julian]

Yeah, my pop.

[Mal]

These just seem so uncomfortable. Like, it's just.

[Damaris]

They actually look like they would probably be comfortable.

[Mal]

No, because right here, these ride up.

[Rory]

Up and on the back when it turns into like a thong, it just. While you got jeans on. And you like outside with the homies listening to music and you gotta. They don't know you got just your done turn into thongs underneath your. You got a doo stain I don't know about. Do wipe your ass.

[Mal]

Looks like a coal miner's eyebrow.

[Rory]

Yeah, no, I don't know. I. I don't do those. Boxer briefs are nothing for me.

[Julian]

Same.

[Mal]

Yes.

[Rory]

Just give me the long box. Huh?

[Damaris]

When did you give up our box boxers?

[Rory]

Oh, man, I was maybe 13, 14, and I gave up on boxers.

[Damaris]

Rory, did you ever wear boxers?

[Julian]

Yeah, I think I gave up last.

[Mal]

Year.

[Julian]

When I went to college maybe.

[Mal]

I think I wore boxers throughout high school.

[Julian]

High school. I wore boxers the whole time.

[Rory]

I gave up the clashes the moment I found the boxer briefs. And they were consistently available in the stores. I never went back to boxers, but.

[Julian]

That was around the time time I like the end of high school for me. Like when.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You could actually just go get.

[Rory]

No, because when I was in high school, it was way before you them was readily.

[Damaris]

Hell, yeah.

[Julian]

And then my mom was crazy.

[Mal]

I kind of want to try these skims out. Three pack for 52 is not bad.

[Rory]

Hey, Kim, send us a pack of. Well, send us a whole box of skin.

[Mal]

I like these colors.

[Rory]

Let me see. What. Let me see how comfortable they'll be covered, you know, but they're cotton. All right. I'm not wearing no polyester. Whatever. That.

[Damaris]

It's probably a blend.

[Mal]

It's a skim stretch, so I think it would probably be a. Yeah, blender.

[Rory]

They should have it in a detail.

[Julian]

I'm probably more polyester than they are.

[Rory]

I can't with no poly. I can't do that.

[Damaris]

You sweat.

[Rory]

Polyester makes you sweat.

[Damaris]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Little mud butt.

[Rory]

No, never no mud.

[Julian]

But you gotta out the mud.

[Rory]

No, that's where you got it.

[Mal]

Out the mud.

[Rory]

Yeah. Your never.

[Damaris]

What the is wrong with y'all?

[Julian]

Yo, I saw someone tweet that the Kardashians keep Rob Kardashian fat, so they keep and harvest him for bbls. I saw that this morning on my way, and I laughed out loud.

[Rory]

What's wrong with people, man?

[Mal]

That's Beverly Hills farming.

[Rory]

But why, though? Like, why Rob don't. Rob don't be on the Internet.

[Mal]

He don't with nobody sell socks once.

[Rory]

Yeah, like, he's just chilling, minding his business. And here y'all go on the Internet just saying disrespectful, crazy about Rob Kardashian. Like, just leave people alone, man.

[Julian]

Where is Rob?

[Rory]

In Calabasas. I guess. I don't know. All right. Shout out to the New York Knicks. Shout out to Jalen Brunson, man, my vote for league MVP this year, Knicks are in third place. They won a nine game winning streak. Lost to the Lakers Saturday.

[Julian]

But hey, that photo of Jalen Brunson and LeBron from that was cool. 2002 or some shit.

[Rory]

Jalen Brunson, I was there. It was a. They put up a clip about Jalen Brunson's career. It was some shit that Jalen Brunson did that I forgot about. I forgot he won a national championship twice. I forgot he was a collegiate player of the year. I knew he was a second round draft pick, but I just think that, you know, his story, his path, his journey is something that a lot of people should celebrate.

[Julian]

I realize he's only 27.

[Mal]

Him and Josh Hart are starting a podcast that'll be dope together. And Jalen also is entered into the three point contest. So that'll be nice.

[Rory]

I'm just. I'm just happy that Jalen is, because I remember when the Knicks first signed him, they gave him 100 million. And the Knicks fans were upset today. We paid him.

[Julian]

I was one of them.

[Rory]

Y'all got him for a still.

[Julian]

Yep.

[Rory]

He's highly underpaid. But, oh, they gonna double back when this contract is over and they gonna cash him out. You can believe that. Oh, you can believe that.

[Julian]

I was definitely one of those Knicks fans. Like, are we seriously? This is what we're paying?

[Rory]

Yeah, yeah. And again, I'll go back to when Julius told me that. Cause I asked him. Even when they signed him, I'm like, yo, I liked him in Dallas. I thought he was good, but is he like that? And Julius said he's the best point guard I've ever played with in my life. And that was surprising to hear that. But he's not wrong. He's definitely the best point guard Julius has ever played with. One of the best point guards in the NBA right now, if not the best point guard in the NBA right now. It's going to be hard for him to get MVP though, because I think with Shay Gillas is doing an okc, I think they're still in first place in the West. So it's going to be hard for Jalen to get that MVP look. But for me personally, when you are able to come to the Garden, come to the Knicks. I don't think anybody had them being in third place in the east right now. All star selection this year. I just Think that he's overachieved. The Knicks are looking like an Eastern Conference finals team. Just for me personally. Jalen Brunson is the league MVP this year.

[Mal]

For me personally, it's been real fun here in New York.

[Julian]

Him and Josh Hart lived together.

[Rory]

They were college teammates.

[Julian]

I knew that.

[Rory]

So they probably mates in college. College.

[Julian]

That's cool.

[Mal]

The Nova Knicks moniker has become awesome, too.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

Divincenzo as well. Like, it's just. It's a cool story.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Mal]

You don't have to with the Knicks. You just think this is cool.

[Rory]

Yeah. It's a good time to be a Knicks fan. Shout out to the Knicks. Shout out to Julius. Get healthy soon. He dislocated his shoulder. But I think he'll be back either. Right after the All Star break. He should be good to go and looking forward to the second half of the season and in the playoffs. Man. See what the Knicks can do. Hopefully they can go all the way to the. To the finals, but that'll be tough to get past Boston or Milwaukee. Milwaukee.

[Julian]

Before we close, we were having a conversation off mic a few days ago when I was looking at super bowl tickets.

[Rory]

Yep.

[Julian]

Of something that you would immediately regret.

[Rory]

Yep.

[Julian]

If the Knicks go to the Eastern Conference finals, I. I'll pay for. I'll pay for that. That's something I wouldn't have regret.

[Rory]

100.

[Julian]

I feel like I'm owed it to be. I don't think I should have to pay pay. But as a loyal fan.

[Rory]

Oh, yeah. If the Knicks go to the Easter Conference finals, you gotta go to that game. One of the games. If it's in Boston. I would even go up to Boston to see it.

[Julian]

Yeah.

[Mal]

I mean, we would be on the road. So the game three, four would be here.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

Cause, I mean, when I paid almost two grand to see St. Peter's get their ass whipped by Kentucky, I had some buyer's remorse on that drive home from Philly.

[Rory]

Yes. There's no buyer's remorse leaving a Knicks Eastern Conference finals game. You were there. You sold. Win or lose. It was something that.

[Mal]

Any day in the Garden's a good day.

[Rory]

Yeah. You had to. You had to see that. So. Yeah. Shout out to the Knicks.

[Julian]

I was just leaving Philly. Like, did I need to be courtside?

[Rory]

No. Definitely did not need to be courtside at the St. Peter's yeah.

[Julian]

It was the Elite Eight.

[Rory]

Yeah. But you could have watched that.

[Mal]

It got smacked.

[Rory]

But college is different, though. It is.

[Julian]

It was a rough game.

[Rory]

It's literally win or go home. Like, every game is winner. So that's why college is a bit.

[Julian]

Well, the sweet 16, I was not going to pay for that. And I was like, all right, if they make it to the Elite Eight, which would be crazy.

[Rory]

You gotta go.

[Julian]

It's in Philly. I'll pay for that.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

But on the way back, I was like, yeah, I could have watched that at home.

[Rory]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I could have saved that.

[Julian]

Two bands and then, like, all the Kentucky. What do they call them?

[Rory]

Like.

[Mal]

No, it was North Carolina that beat them.

[Julian]

Oh, no. Yeah, you're right. It was unc. They beat Kentucky. It was UNC beat them by all the unc. Like, boosters were sitting behind me and, you know, I had all my St. Peter on.

[Rory]

Yeah.

[Julian]

You know, with. With my feet on the. On the wood paws. They were really mean to me.

[Damaris]

Oh.

[Rory]

As they were supposed to be.

[Julian]

It wasn't a close game.

[Rory]

Supposed to be welcoming.

[Mal]

Like, it was 38, 19 at half.

[Julian]

Yeah. Like, they didn't need to also be mean to me.

[Rory]

No. Was this the. Oh, yeah, they played. They played Carolina. Kentucky.

[Julian]

They beat Kentucky and they. Carolina was the one I went to.

[Rory]

Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Okay.

[Julian]

I had them confused.

[Rory]

Got smoked.

[Julian]

Big smoked.

[Rory]

All right, well, let's get out of here. It's been another. Another fun episode.

[Mal]

19 points.

[Rory]

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[Mal]

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[Rory]

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[Damaris]

New warrior now.